WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.359 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenana Show. 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:06.480 Let's talk a little bit about something different today. Thomas, 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.160 how are you doing. 4 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:09.640 I'm doing well. Thank you for hosting me. Yeah, we 5 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.880 can talk about we can change up the we can 6 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:14.960 change up the subject definitely. 7 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:16.879 Yeah, we'll get back to the Cold War on the 8 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:23.079 next one. But I've read Yaki. I started reading Spangler 9 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:27.079 one of the essays that you recommended, and it just 10 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.480 speaks to me, really speaks to my heart. And I 11 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:33.719 know that Spangler and especially Yaki are a big part 12 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.880 of your of your thought, and you're where you've taken 13 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.759 a lot of inspiration from. So I thought we'd do 14 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.640 a little episode. And I think they go together because 15 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:48.039 Yaqui uses so many, so many spanglerisms and seems to 16 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.759 have really dug deep into his work and integrated into 17 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:57.479 his work. So I guess let's start with the original. 18 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.159 What is it about Spangler that attracted you first? 19 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.239 Well, frankly, especially as the Cold War resolved, Spangler was 20 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.239 Spangler was one of these was one of the only 21 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.840 what would you consider esoteric kind of thinkers that they 22 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:17.239 came to before the Internet. There's a two volume it 23 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:18.879 was it was a bridge, but it was the it 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.319 was the two valume abridged version of Decline of the West. 25 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.359 And I think Harvard University Press had put out in 26 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.599 the fifties with at the Double Check. It was part 27 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.120 of this whole series on political theory, like Hans and 28 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.799 Morgan Thou, who's actually worth reading, and yes he's part 29 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.879 of that. He was part of that Morgan Thou family. 30 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.920 And he was for a time, uh New York attorney 31 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:46.760 state Attorney general and then and then uh he was 32 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.079 some kind of state department hancho. But at any event, 33 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.319 I think it was Harvard University Press. There's this whole 34 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.760 series on on like footable theory, okay, and they had 35 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.640 those at like my local like Cook County Branch Library, 36 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.079 like around like north of glen View and come across 37 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.519 Spangler and stuff like Instoration Magazine and the like National 38 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.360 Alliance Lit and stuff like that and something. It was 39 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.800 over my head because I wasn't I mean, this was 40 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.479 like a teenager and I hadn't really dived into Hagel 41 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:19.439 yet and like Aristotlin things. But what reallyion on me 42 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:21.680 was again, you know, this was like literally as the 43 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.879 Cold War was ending and there was discourse was really 44 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.599 weird then because it was still semi serious and you 45 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.159 had serious guys who were kind of weighing in and 46 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.680 what the implications were, you know, of of Soviet collapse 47 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:36.960 and what kind of globalism would look like, and you 48 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:38.960 know what the implications were just kind of like across 49 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.759 the board, you know, because everybody realized this, this is this, this, 50 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.039 this is a profound event. This is like an Apockel event. 51 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:49.199 To see what week it's okay? And I was kind 52 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:50.680 of seeking up sources to just try and put this 53 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.879 in better perspective, and there was not much, I mean, 54 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.120 there was this. I mean admittedly, like I just said, 55 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.520 you know that the tenor at discourse was it was 56 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.360 elevated committed today, but there was not a lot of 57 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.400 other than the kind of like into history kind of 58 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.240 midway stuff there. You know, there wasn't a lot to 59 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.879 put this in comic, especially for a young person. When 60 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:12.639 I started reading Spangler, what such that I could understand it. 61 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:14.879 And again it took me probably about like a decade 62 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.759 to really get like a complete understanding of Spangler. But 63 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.560 what jumps out of me is the symbolic psychological quality 64 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:27.319 to cultural forms and what he called prime symbols of 65 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.479 those forms. And I've always been somebody who puts a 66 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:36.000 strong emphasis on symbolic psychology. Okay, and if you believe 67 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.560 in true racial differences, I don't just mean you know, 68 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.400 like at the biological level, I'm not talking about you know, 69 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.919 I'm not talking about you know, the relative bone density 70 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.960 of insular breeding populations. I'm not talking about you know, 71 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.000 people's ratio of fast which the slopes, which muscle fibers, 72 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.560 and I'm not talking about their IQ like. I'm talking 73 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:01.240 about deep meticultural phenomenon that for that that somehow, some 74 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:07.960 way insinuates itself into people's minds and conceptual horizons across generations. Okay, 75 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.680 it's not it's not clear exactly how that happens. Okay, 76 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.919 it's it's a combination of biology, it's a combination of 77 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.240 cultural learning. I mean, it's combination of biology with culture 78 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.240 and cultural learning as well as other other I think 79 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.920 epigen when I think of epigenetic variables that are well understood. 80 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.079 But Spango really put this in perspective, okay, that there 81 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.720 are these prime symbols there. These things are quite literally 82 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.680 you know, characterize you know, kind of the the core uh, 83 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.759 the core essence of cultural forms and and and the 84 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:43.920 and these and these prime symbols resonate pretty much through 85 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.199 through everything that culture does, you know, especially in power 86 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.439 political terms, because that's kind of the zenus of cultural 87 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.800 activity in all kinds of ways. And it's the most 88 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.519 critical because there's existential considerations they're relating to racial survival, 89 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.600 but even everything from like the food kind of foods 90 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.959 they cook, you know, the kind of that they favor, 91 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.519 and like, you know, the clothing they wear, and and 92 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.439 the kind of you know, artwork they create. You know, 93 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.800 this this is basically how people understand themselves, but not 94 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.120 just how they understand themselves, how they understand themselves in 95 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.839 the world relative to other peoples, but also kind of 96 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.920 like what they view their sort of existential narrative as 97 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.639 as like as a as a self aware culture, I 98 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.120 mean that itself is kind of not kind of that 99 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.639 that itself is very much you know, like a modernist, 100 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:30.120 uh arguably postmodern sensibility. You know, people actually being like 101 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.720 aware of things like cultural horizons, you know, cultural conceptual 102 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.600 horizons and prime symbols they're in. You know, how these 103 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.680 things are impactful in terms of in terms of how 104 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:44.000 you know, people create a sustain you know, all all 105 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.439 the phenomena that we consider severally to be like cultural activity. 106 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.639 But the fact that you know, like like like awareness 107 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.319 of that and awareness of it is like a discrete 108 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.920 phenomenon that doesn't somehow like put people like outside of it. Okay, 109 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.360 so and and Spangler accounters for that too. But that's 110 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.800 the reason why. I mean initially that's like what really 111 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.800 kind of like got me into you know, deep diving 112 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:16.319 into into Spanglerian thought. But also you know, Spangler was 113 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.959 a one of the things I really put him on 114 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.839 the map. He had a renaissance in the sixties and seventies, 115 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.639 is people were kind of looking outside of uh you know, 116 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.839 the uh the kind of the kind of international relations 117 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:32.920 quantitative model for for understanding you know, cultural behavior. You know, 118 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:34.279 it's a lot and like I mean, that's definitely I'm 119 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:36.759 saying like youngin theory like came back into vogue too. 120 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:38.879 I'm not comparing the two. I think there's some value 121 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:40.959 to be found in Young, but I think Spangler is 122 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.399 quite a bit more of a rigorous thinker. But my 123 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.600 point is this kind of stuff came back into vogue 124 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.920 like decades later but you know Spangler, he really was 125 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:53.160 like an inner war theorist, okay, and that's one of 126 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.839 the reasons why you know, Hitler wanted an audience with him, 127 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.519 you know, kind of anybody who's anybody in Germany, you know, 128 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.160 people you know, like like people on the far left, 129 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.439 you know, like reactionary monarchist types. You know, Hitler himself. 130 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.199 You know, Spangler was a man about town because he 131 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.439 was up on something people view as profound. But beyond that, 132 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.920 I mean, aside from you know, kind of the merit 133 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:15.680 on his own terms of his of his sort of 134 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.879 conceptual vision or his kind of theoretical model. You know, 135 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.279 he was very much observing these things, you know, kind 136 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:23.839 of like in their epoch, you know, and he was 137 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.439 he was very much you know, if you want to 138 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:32.079 talk about punctuated decline in crisis and you know what 139 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:36.079 and kind of like you know, a culture's self conscious 140 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.000 efforts to survive late bare not just the miss modernity, 141 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.079 but a miss you know, like an ex potential crisis 142 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.360 relating to you know, a power political event of truly 143 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.199 kind of like world sheeking proportions. I mean, that was 144 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.000 the Great War, and that was a situation of the 145 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.800 German Empire and to a lesser degree, you know, the 146 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:59.800 Austro Hungarian their Austro Hungarian allies. But you know that 147 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.720 and and and that, and there was not a lot 148 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:06.720 of real scholarship about that that could be viewed as 149 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.439 kind of the the air apparent that people like fit 150 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.879 the in my opinion, But beyond that, I mean, beyond 151 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:18.639 spending with cultural resonance, like in his epoch, he was 152 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.240 trying to answer the question like what was happening in Germany? 153 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.639 Like what you know, what there was there was some 154 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.399 kind of collision going on between you know, the way 155 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.600 people understood themselves, you know, racially and Parkley and you know, 156 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.600 their ability to live in the world. And uh, you 157 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.320 know this was both this this was both obviously like 158 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.840 intrinsically bound up with the Great War and that's why 159 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.960 the Great War happened, but also just like internally, it's 160 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.759 not some it's not an accident that you know, the 161 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.000 Bolshek Revolution you know, happened, you know, just on on 162 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.279 the immediate heels of World War One, and it wasn't 163 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.200 just because like well this was you know, a crisis 164 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:56.720 modality kind of attempted remedy. You know, as the Russian 165 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.799 state kind of collapsed on itself, like due to the 166 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.799 fact they were losing the war. I mean, yeah, that 167 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.519 was like an immediate catalyst, but that that was not 168 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.080 why it was. That was not why it was approximately 169 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.480 immerging in absolute terms, Okay, it was these things came, 170 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.840 these things emerged from the same like nucleus of causal 171 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:19.759 variables or operative variables, and you know, the inability of 172 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:23.919 culture is to kind of like not just live historically, 173 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.720 but survive as discreet you know, like kind of modalities 174 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.679 of human life an organization. That really is kind of 175 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.559 like the crisis of modernity for European men, like non 176 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.200 whites and non Europeans, that impacts them too in a 177 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.080 huge way. The Japanese impacted just as much as Europeans were. 178 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.279 But what we think of now is the Global South, 179 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.679 Like they weren't really but like their kind of apocalyptic 180 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.720 event was you know, the fact that European culture kind 181 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.559 of collided with their culture like while the Europeans were 182 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.960 enduring this process as well, and that really really cost havoc. 183 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.720 That's a little bit more complicated, but the fact is 184 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.639 that you know, now, if you're gonna say, like well 185 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.799 Spangler did, this wasn't anything new, you know. Uh, Hegel 186 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.519 dealt with this. Uh, Nietzsche dealt with this and everybody 187 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.480 like on the nose kind of way. And yeah, that's true. 188 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.200 But Nietzsche was real likely talking about something different like 189 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.399 Nietsch wasn't writing about like power, political behavior and activity 190 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.559 and like very concrete terms. I mean, Spangler appears like abstract, 191 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.120 you know, to somebody who's like inundated with either analytic 192 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.360 philosophy or somebody who's kind of like you know, or 193 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.720 somebody who's kind of like uh habituated, like you know, 194 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.720 the kind of Anglo like rationalist tradition. But I mean 195 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.000 Spangler was very much it's like okay, like you know, 196 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.440 kind of like abstract and like airy and continental oriented 197 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.000 as he was in philosophical terms, he was he was 198 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:51.639 dealing very much with like emerging again like existential crises 199 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:55.879 that like Europeans we were dealing with in the epoch. Okay, 200 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.120 And that's not something uh that that that that's not 201 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.200 something that philosophers generally did. Okay, I don't I think 202 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.600 a Spangler it's kind of a pure like it's kind 203 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:09.200 of a pure like playable theorist who's who's uh whose 204 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.039 whose kind of life's work was to identify, you know, 205 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.759 the historical process and this relationship the culture and race. Okay, 206 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.240 real lard, I I I think the from philosopher is 207 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.240 kind of a dumb term in the modern age, but 208 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.320 I I whatever, I mean, even if we accepted as 209 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.840 totally valid, I think a Spangler is kind of in 210 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.120 the terms that I just described. But bring it back 211 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.600 a little bit. You know, so pre Internet, you know, 212 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.279 is like a fifteen sixteen year old kid, you know, 213 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:43.440 you're you're you you really really the tools you had 214 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.120 to kind of put things in perspective conceptually, you know, 215 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:49.279 it was what you could find it like you know, 216 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:51.679 the public library or like what you could find you know, 217 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.440 by like Poach, like cruising university libraries to grab what 218 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.559 they had. So I realized, like reading Spangler, like I was, 219 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.799 I'm like, okay, like this is putting things in the 220 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.639 spective in a way that makes sense, you know. In 221 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.840 this this especially, he's understanding kind of like the tragedy 222 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.759 of of the you know, the kind of the German 223 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:12.279 situation in the twentieth century. And from there, I'd run 224 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:16.679 across the name Francis Parker. Yaki a whole lot owing 225 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.039 in part too. I was always reading Willis Carter's stuff, 226 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.000 you know, American Free Press, which I still like periodically 227 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:27.039 pick up today. But Cardo is kind of a he 228 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:31.120 was kind of peculiar because, uh, in a lot of ways, 229 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.320 he was kind of just like a conventional like America firster, 230 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.679 like right wing type guy, like anti communists. But he's 231 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.039 the guy I really put Yaki on the map for, 232 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.039 you know, for like American audiences of just like regular people. 233 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.200 I mean, Yaki was doing some very strange things of 234 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.759 his life. I don't even in cunative terms. I mean 235 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.799 he was probably uh he was probably a Warsaw pack 236 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.600 intelligence agent. He was like kind of the cosumon van ERTs, 237 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:59.799 like JACQUI was trying to convince the man the street 238 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.759 of the merit of his ideas. You know, he was discripped. 239 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:05.679 I mean he I think the first front Runavan period 240 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.600 was like five hundred copies. And then I mean that 241 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.000 wasn't just because like he wasn't flush with money. He 242 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.360 had no intention of like distributing this, you know, to 243 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.279 millions of people. But and then even Cardo, even though 244 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:23.679 Carlo's personal kind of ideological uh bearing didn't have anything 245 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.360 to do with Yaki. He was one of the last 246 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.919 people to see Yaki alive because when Yaki was arrested, 247 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:30.840 Carter went to visit him because he knew who he was. 248 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.399 It's not evenly clear like how that is. But Cardo 249 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.200 was a rich guy, and he was pretty connected and 250 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.279 he he seemed to just like know things until the 251 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.399 end of his life, like he I mean that that's 252 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:42.799 a whole another episode that we could cover, like kind 253 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.759 of a mystery of willis Cardo. But if he read 254 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.200 Cardo Publication's nearly nineties, whether it was a noon tight 255 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.919 press books or whether it was you know, American free press, 256 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.879 like fantasy, Yaki was always hot, popping up, you know, 257 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.080 And so I'm like, what is this all about? And 258 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.240 in instoration they made point that like, well, you know, 259 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.559 Imperium is uh is the sequel to you know, Spanglers, 260 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.039 Decline of the West and the Our Decision and you 261 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.879 know man in Technics and all these and all these 262 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.440 things are gonna severally caustic like Spanglers, you know, like 263 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:18.480 diagnosis of of you know, the the twentieth century, the 264 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.759 inner Warriors, if you will. So I sought it out. 265 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.919 I found Imperium had used the bookstore. They specially ordered 266 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.279 it for me because that's what we had to do 267 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.799 in those days. And I started like diving into it. 268 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:36.720 And the case of Yaqui, Yaqui's polemics, some people think 269 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:41.279 it's overwrought. To understand it. Yaqui was, uh, you know, 270 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.799 he was he was this upper class Uh he he was. 271 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.720 He basically like this upper class that kind of like 272 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:48.879 Norrath store dude. You know, he's using born in Chicago 273 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.000 all the way. He lived a lot of his life 274 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.799 in Michigan, you know, educated and Catholic schools, which at 275 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:56.639 that time are kind of elite, like at least where 276 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.120 he went. You know, people then like wrote in a 277 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.600 kind of like floor language. It wasn't a kind of 278 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.600 like obnoxious, like moronic soaring language like like people attempt today. 279 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.919 But you know that a couple of the fact that 280 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.440 Yaqui was a trial lawyer. You know that that's kind 281 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.879 of the way to understand his style, which I understand 282 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.600 like put some people off, but I found it highly 283 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.679 resonant because he was one of the few. I mean, 284 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.039 yaquently thought more like a European than he did, you know, 285 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.440 an American, and a lot of that owes to his 286 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.559 cultural Catholicism. I'm not saying that punitively, quite the contrary, 287 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.759 but so, I mean he he gets sexualized things a 288 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.480 bit differently in somebody like I would in terms of 289 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.600 you know what he initially found himself attracted to or 290 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:41.080 instinctively rather than initially. But you know, Yaqui put he 291 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.120 kind of put the European experience in like an American context. 292 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.720 He you know, and tied this into a Hitler's significance. 293 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:53.039 You know, the people in Anglophone societies, you know who 294 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:58.159 who found themselves you know, sympathetic to the Axis cause 295 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.120 in very absolute term, which at that time you know, 296 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.600 it was like very much like a hot issue when 297 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.600 there was more people who felt that way than is 298 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.080 often acknowledged. I mean the uh, you know, the America 299 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.960 First Committee was not something that I mean they had 300 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.200 Broadway support. So I mean that was I mean Yaqui's book, 301 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.519 it was I mean Reading Imperium. Part of it is 302 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.879 you know, apologia for you know, kind of America First 303 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.919 in like deep philosophical terms, but also uh, you know 304 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.559 it it puts in context the then you know, emergent 305 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:33.200 Cold War and what in Yaki's view was truly at stake, 306 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.240 and that was pretty revolutionary. And Yaka made the point 307 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.679 again and again, and one of his essays, which is 308 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:45.360 hard to find now, it was called in the year 309 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.279 two thousand, Yaqui predicted the Soviet Union would break apart, 310 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.240 just like Kennon, did you know. He's like, this isn't sustainable. 311 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.440 You know, the USSR as we know it is not 312 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.559 going to exist, you know, in fifty years. But he's like, 313 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.279 Russia will still exist, and at some point point we're 314 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.480 gonna have to deal with these people number one, you know, 315 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:07.400 like us as like you know, occidental white Westerners or 316 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.680 whatever your preferred kind of the scriptor is. But also 317 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.680 you know, he said, you know, his point was that 318 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.119 like Russia even you know, when when it when it's 319 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.039 when it's when the kind of artificial like modernist guys 320 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:25.200 you know, of of communism like sloughs off of it. 321 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.039 It's it's gonna be truly emergent, as you know, a 322 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:33.640 kind of antithesis element you know to the uh the 323 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:44.279 basically judaic American you know, uh, you know, uh h ethos, 324 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.359 and uh, that's very true. I mean Yaki was not 325 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.519 like a Russophile in fact, in a lot of ways, 326 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.440 like he kind of looked down on Slavs. And I 327 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:52.799 mean that's clear. I mean the guy who was very 328 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:57.160 much like a national socialist. So like everybody, people people 329 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:59.160 have to be stupid on purpose about Yaqui and for 330 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.839 and either say that like to sympathetic to cool Bolshevikism, 331 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.200 which is fucking retarded, or that he was like some 332 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.359 kind of like Russophile who just like loved was like 333 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.160 sitting around like I don't know, I get like reading 334 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.559 the Brothers Karmezov or something like. That's not at all 335 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.079 what he's saying. You know. What he was saying is that, 336 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.720 you know, a truly unipolar world where you've got you know, 337 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.200 basically kind of uh, you know, you've truly got this. 338 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:27.200 You know, you've got a single locui of of a 339 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:32.920 global power you know, in America, and it's and it's 340 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.400 kind of client regimes all of which are basically, you know, 341 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.839 kind of reduced to appendages of this this it's literally 342 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.160 like you know, Jewish and kind of deteriorated, you know, 343 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:52.039 kind of like post cultural anglophone mode of of of 344 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.480 a I'm not just you know, I'm not as like, 345 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.440 not as a cultural organization, but of like ethical disposition, 346 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.799 you know. And that's that's basically the worst possible outcome 347 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:07.440 you can imagine for culture, Okay, and uh, really the 348 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.839 only way to mitigate that is do uh it's for you. 349 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.480 I mean, Europe's gonna stand with Russia for pragmatic reasons, 350 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.480 but also again, like it doesn't matter if you like 351 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.640 Russia or hate Russia, this is totally irrelevant. I mean 352 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.000 that Russia is the natural counterweight to that tendency in 353 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.759 all kinds of ways, because Russia is basically anti American 354 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.839 and Russia is basically like rapidly anti Jewish. Okay, it's 355 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.559 Russia anti European. Yeah, they are. And don't understand the 356 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.519 Bolshek Revolution is kind of like, you know, the the 357 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.759 kind of the kind of primitive indigenous like Peasants Slavic element, 358 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.279 you know, finding common cause and alliance with uh, you know, 359 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:56.000 the cosmopolitan Jewish mercantile element to literally exterminate you know, 360 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.359 the European overtask that you know, had reigned and Russia 361 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.519 since the days of the Varangian Russ Okay, but that 362 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:07.039 doesn't matter. Again, it's not there's not a risk of 363 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.640 Russia becoming this. There is not. It has not been 364 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.039 a risk of Russia becoming this you know, truly global 365 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.119 power since nineteen eighty nine. It's this idea that like, well, 366 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.079 you know, Russia is just as bad as you know, 367 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.000 what we're dealing with. Now, that's not true at all. 368 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.880 That doesn't make any sense, and not just because in 369 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:30.119 terms of like power, projection, capability and potentiality, but you 370 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.480 know the reason why it sounds like a trivial thing, 371 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.880 but the one of the short poppings of warsaw pack 372 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.319 and man control. In terms of integrated forces, there was 373 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:44.960 a short like like like Russian officers wouldn't bother to 374 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:46.920 learn German a lot of the time, you know, there 375 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.920 was like literally like a language barrier between like them 376 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.480 and like you know, like you know, like national Volks, 377 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.720 aren't you forcing under their command? You know, things like 378 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.160 there's just there was like a distance there, you know, 379 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:59.519 the like if you want to understand how why the 380 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:04.519 American and kind of cultural genocide social engineering of Germany 381 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:10.200 was possible, it's because like an Anglophone society, you know, 382 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.960 a basically cosmopolitan European society like America still was, like 383 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.279 America was definitely in nineteen forty nine and still somebody 384 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:22.839 is today that was anglophoning character that's able to insinuate 385 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.000 itself into into German culture almost like at the cellular level. 386 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:28.519 I mean people say the thing of being silly, but 387 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:30.160 I think it almost like the thing, you know, like 388 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.440 the Little Horror movie, like that was just not possible 389 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.119 for Russians, you know, like the Soviet Union, even if 390 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:38.440 they said about even if you know, even if that 391 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:40.920 had been kind of like a dedicated effort of there 392 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.319 is like look we're gonna we're gonna truly kind of 393 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:47.599 like rucify you know, the DDR, it wouldn't have worked, 394 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:49.440 you know, like it just wouldn't have you know you're 395 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.559 talking about truly. Yeah, in like border areas especially, you know, 396 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:55.119 like you would yeah, there would have been people who 397 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.039 are basically like you know, like like Slavonic Germans, but 398 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.000 generally like he wouldn't you you wouldn't have had like 399 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.960 every like you know, every like East German school kid 400 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.039 like just like casually learning Russian by osmosis and like 401 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.559 you wouldn't have had like, you know, German ladies deciding 402 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:12.119 y' all wanted to look like the Russian women in 403 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.359 the magazines, like you wouldn't. I mean, like that just 404 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.480 would not happen, okay, And that stuff you better believe 405 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.000 that happened in the boon this republic, Okay. And it 406 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.480 wasn't just because like, oh, America's got good propaganda and 407 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.200 Coca cola, you know, I mean that's these are real things, okay. 408 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.759 So all of that. Taking it back to kind of 409 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.559 get an original query, I mean that that that kind 410 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.559 of is what being to like put the world in perspective 411 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.599 to me, And I always knew there was something wrong 412 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:45.480 post Reagan. I think Bush forty one was a pretty 413 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.160 and within the bount of rationality of you know, kind 414 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.559 of uh of of what American government is and has 415 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.519 been in nineteen thirty three. I think Bush forty one 416 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.519 is basically a serious guy and a good commander in chief, 417 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.519 even if I I've got nothing nice to say about 418 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.680 him otherwise. But even by nineteen ninety one ninety two, 419 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:06.559 there was this kind of like bizarre triumphulist language ceeping 420 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.240 into American discourse that just made me WinCE and you know, uh, 421 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.519 I could tell that the cultures being coarsened. I don't 422 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:16.279 I don't just mean like, you know, things becoming kind 423 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.359 of like more like lord and pornographic, but it's part 424 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:19.920 of it. But I mean like things would be were 425 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.920 becoming like less and less serious and just kind of 426 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.640 like just more and more like idiotic, you know, and 427 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:30.880 it uh, you know, I realized kind of like yawning 428 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:32.960 chasm here where there should be like a culture, you know, 429 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.680 when it and they had a couple of the fact 430 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.119 that I realized it's I'm everybody's sick of hearing this 431 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.519 and it you know, often I just saw some cantankerous 432 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.599 old guy telling people to confort blessings. But the early 433 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:46.200 nineties in America really were like really fucked up. I 434 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.079 mean you remember that, and you know, like racilations were 435 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.519 in the toilet, you know, like I literally have to 436 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.960 like think about like where I couldn't couldn't go, like 437 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.400 I'm talking about it, drones like Chicago hoods, like you'd 438 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.880 like fucking get killed and like you know, from being 439 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:00.279 white and like that's not that way. 440 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:07.119 Remember the freaking Special Forces was literally in Los Angeles. 441 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:13.000 Oh yeah, two thousand Korean businesses were burnt to the ground. 442 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.240 Oh yeah, it's more in the streets and the marines. 443 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.279 The fat of my Iraq, we're fucking shooting it out 444 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:20.119 with like the grave street crips and stuff. But you know, 445 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.119 like it's not like bad people think things are today 446 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:23.640 and then like a marriage in a bad place. They 447 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.480 don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna like if I 448 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.839 like disembarking Garbield park of the bus, like I'm not 449 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.480 gonna get my ass like fucking stopped into this cement 450 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:34.279 like for being white. That's not gonna happen, Okay. In 451 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:38.160 nineteen ninety two, that absolutely would happen. Okay. So it's 452 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.799 like all these things on like my teenage mind, like 453 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.160 YAQUI really put this in perspective, you know, I mean, 454 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.960 there's not I'm the first. I'm always telling people, especially youngsters, 455 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.799 like like you can't you can't like find answers to 456 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.519 the world, especially like politics, like in books, and you can't. 457 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.920 It's like the wrong there's not like a crystals version 458 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.599 into like you know, political occurrences or something. But in 459 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.000 fear terms, particularly in a place like America where there's 460 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.880 where there's there's like bizarre signaling and in terms of 461 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.119 the propaganda narrative that doesn't really make sense and is 462 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:12.599 that distracted from any kind of concrete experience. It is 463 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.759 essential to have, you know, kind of like the pole 464 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.559 stars as it were, like the parameters rather like provided 465 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.240 by you know, like theoretical scholarship. And Yaki, Yeah, I 466 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:25.880 realized Yaqui is a polemisist. I realize he's like a 467 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.319 big national socialist. He's not, and he didn't like for 468 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.000 it to be like, oh, I'm this objective kind of 469 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:36.599 like diagnostition of historical processes. But Yaki, you really put 470 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.759 everything in perspective of me, like, Okay, this is why 471 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.400 the this, this, this is why the this is why 472 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:42.759 the problem in the ground with the races is the 473 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.039 way it's in America. You know, this is why the 474 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.359 culture seems so coarse and just like moronic. This is 475 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.599 like what it's trying to accomplish. You know, this is 476 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.400 why like the leadership cast seems so like flavoringly like 477 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.519 either just corrupt or disengaged. Because this is why at 478 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:58.440 that time in Europe two like you know, tu Jma's 479 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.960 Croatia like helmet Cole in a kind of one of 480 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.920 the most singularly patriotic acts post war by German Chancellor 481 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:09.200 immed the recognizing the pendent state of Croatia. Uh, you know, 482 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.160 and then and and then and and Bush and Baker 483 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.799 like hit the roof when he did that. But that 484 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:18.079 that's what prevented like, uh, you know, some kind of 485 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.880 a you know, some some some kind of contrivance of 486 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.839 you know, democratic Yugoslavia from enduring and uh you know 487 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.880 the Croati the twos one Croatio was a national social 488 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.799 state literally, okay, something that that came into perspective too, 489 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:38.160 and like why you know, like that where like that 490 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.160 was that was literally unfinished business, you know, from nineteen 491 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.839 forty five. I mean that's kind of how I me. 492 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.519 That's pretty much like how it came to Yackey and 493 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:52.319 then I from there. Uh. I've uh, I've kind of 494 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.319 moved beyond like based just about everything I've read I 495 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.519 was reading when I was a teenager, except for stuff 496 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.480 like obviously like Aristotle and and and and like. But 497 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.839 you know, I continue to defend Yaki you particularly, and 498 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.720 I found I don't believe these like internet guys, especially 499 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.920 in university types. I mean a lot of these guys, 500 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.440 they they never read what I write. I think they 501 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:13.000 like see the way I look or something, and they 502 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.000 they act like a haughty and like act like I'm 503 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.720 stupid or something. Then they realize like I'm not stupid, 504 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.880 so they just kind of like attack like what I 505 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.480 cite as like authoritative and the Yaki is ridiculous. That's 506 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.160 just like you know, you might as well read like 507 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.359 skinhead magazines. It's like, I don't believe you've read Francis Yaki. 508 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.440 That's what your take. Yeah, I mean it's not it's 509 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.119 it's intellectually highly rigorous, Like I said, you can say 510 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.759 his language is like overwrought in the way that frankly, 511 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.559 you know people who's kind of introduction to to uh 512 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.720 you know, like adult intellectual life of apprentis a lot 513 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.039 and that's unfortunate. But uh, like you can't say it's 514 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.119 like not serious and then it's like some stupid like 515 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.720 racialist like rant or something like it's not you know. 516 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.519 So I don't I believe a lot of like what's 517 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.839 levied against Yaki, particularly by these liked of still appointed 518 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.640 like academic gatekeeper types. I don't believe they've like even 519 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.079 a right imperium, you know, put imperiums like seven hundred pages. 520 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.079 You know, it's like it's and it's it's it's pretty 521 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.480 heavy stuff, you know, like it's not just that you 522 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.079 can like flip through like a couple hours on a Saturday. 523 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.680 So I think a lot of like what people say, 524 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.000 you know, to kind of make fun of people say, yuck, 525 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.880 you don't think they really read it, but they pretend 526 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.079 it's like reading like George Lincoln Rockwell or something like, 527 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.240 it's not it's not at all, you know, like it's 528 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:34.880 totally and uh, I mean the point of people too. 529 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.640 And this is a bit of a tangent, but you 530 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.119 know the Falcon, the Snowman, which is a fascinating story 531 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.559 and like a great film, and Chris Boyce, you know, 532 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.920 the guy, I mean, he was a real guy. I 533 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.079 mean that that movie really happened, and basically it happened 534 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.880 the terms presented. But he had a blog in the 535 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.920 two thousands when he got into prison. He didn't got 536 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.799 a prison until like two thousand and three or something, 537 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.440 you know, but he uh, you know, and he didn't 538 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.240 want to talk a lot about his espionage charges, but 539 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.119 he what he did say, and we did reiterate, was that, 540 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.079 you know, he had no affinity for the Soviet Union 541 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.079 or for communism at all, you know, and he's like, 542 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.640 I never started identifying as like as a practicing cantalic. 543 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.720 You know, he's like, but America couldn't be allowed to 544 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.079 just win the Cold War in absolute terms any more 545 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.880 than the Soviet Union to be allowed to do that. 546 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.400 And he was right, you know, boys said that he 547 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.359 had the energy and and kind of fervor of a 548 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.720 young man and thinking he could change these things like 549 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.039 you can't, okay, like nothing any one man, no matter 550 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.880 what kind of no matter what kind of secrets or 551 00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.400 intelligence he had access to their military knowledge, you know, 552 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.559 could have like changed the course of of of the 553 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:50.799 Soviet Union. But his his impulse was correct, Okay, even 554 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.799 if it was like, even if it was a youthful romanticism, 555 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.839 and it was ridiculous to think like he could change 556 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.880 the course sumptionally the way the wars up bag was going. 557 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.480 He was right that something terrible would happen if America 558 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.039 simply just like outright won the Cold War. You know, 559 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.759 there needs to be that kind of uh. I mean, 560 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.440 I think the American garments in ninety thirty three is 561 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.960 literally evil. But even if somebody's got a softer, more 562 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:22.240 terrible charitable perspective on it than that, you know, aganistic 563 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.519 pluralism as well like chiefs, like politics, like productive and 564 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.519 I and you know, is what prevents, uh, you know, 565 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.799 the establishment of these uh of these these kinds of 566 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:41.000 deteriorated uh like monocultural uh you know, mechanisms that that 567 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.279 that basically suppressed culture where's emergent in any in any formness, 568 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.519 you know, threatening the status quote. I realized there was 569 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.519 a lot there, but that's the best way you explain it, 570 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:51.599 all right. 571 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.759 I wanted to go back to Spangler because in reading 572 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.640 u Qussian socialism, there was something he said in there 573 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:04.079 that I think a lot of Americans and Westerners would 574 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.839 have a problem with, especially since you know, I think 575 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:13.119 he wrote that nineteen twenty. So he said that the 576 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:18.480 Englishman judges himself upon his riches and the Prussian judges 577 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.920 himself upon his rank. 578 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.160 I mean, it's so true to that, Yeah, I don't 579 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.559 Werner Sombard made a lot of the same points. And 580 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:34.519 the way to understand, I mean, that's why to be 581 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.240 a bit more charitable, to the English, you know, the 582 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:44.240 the UK and England itself. It's it's an inception. It 583 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.359 was a divided society. There wasn't some like single ethnos 584 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.799 that became the English people. I mean, you know all 585 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.119 of this, but you're an Iran educated guy. But like 586 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.319 that's gotta be this this idea of like this homogeneous 587 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.240 kind of England. And it's why I especially bizarre when 588 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.559 you know the kind of cargo cult multiculturalism in England. 589 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.599 It's like it's like England's always been like catastrophically multicultural. 590 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.480 They didn't even get a handle on this, arguably until 591 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.079 the twentieth century. You know, like the experience of Prussia 592 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.279 was totally different. I mean Prussia was this garrison state 593 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.480 you know, with uh like with that, with with barely 594 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:28.480 any arable land, no, no naturally defensible you know border features. 595 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.279 You know it. Uh, it basically makes sense and I 596 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.680 don't disagree and this, Uh, that's one of the reasons why, like, 597 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.240 you know, class antagonism has conceptualized. And that's that's one 598 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.920 of the reason why I was off based. For for 599 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.880 for Mars to look to Germany is like this is 600 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:48.839 where like, you know, Mars's Leninism is going to be 601 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:50.720 this where you know this where you know, common is 602 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.880 gonna be emergent. Then later like Lenin like attempting the 603 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.359 same the same enterprise or are attending to implement that 604 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.680 enterprise is is theorized by mars like it Yeah, okay, Germany, 605 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.480 like obviously it was gonna be first over the line 606 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.680 in terms of the productive productive forces that could facilitate 607 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.519 you know, uh, like true socialism in the sense of 608 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.400 vision by people like Marx. But the class antagonists catalyst 609 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.160 is not really present in Germany. I mean it's not 610 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.440 to say like the KPD wasn't very strong, but again, 611 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.839 like the KPD got defeated and of you know what 612 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.799 I'm always do like a fair fight by the right 613 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:31.440 in Germany. I mean that didn't happen in Russia. Obviously, 614 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.039 the opposite happened because you know, in spite of the 615 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:40.079 lack of the technics and infrastructure, the class antagonism was vicious, 616 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.319 you know. And in the UK, the reason the British 617 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.960 were paranoid, absolutely paranoid about Bolshevism, they were for good reasons, 618 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.880 you know, I mean there there was uh, there was 619 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.039 there there was this basic class antagonism. I mean at 620 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.359 the point that it's it's it's like you could argue 621 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:03.359 that like in some ways like the what people kind 622 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.400 of politely and you physically approves, like the big classes 623 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.880 class system. I mean you're talking about people are basically 624 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.440 like well private purposes, like different ethnic roofs, man like 625 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.199 they and genetically I think they'll dare out too in 626 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.559 some sense. Okay, Like it's not it's that that's quite 627 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.599 a different thing than you know it plays like Prussia 628 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.719 where uh like like you really do have like a 629 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.199 common culture and yeah, I mean there's people, you know, 630 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.639 there's people like higher rank and lower rank, you know, 631 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.880 and there's there's obviously you know, people have of vastly 632 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.159 disparate abilities, but you don't have like one class of 633 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.599 people concentrated, you know, in like one function like looking 634 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.079 across these other people who are like literally totally different 635 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.199 from them, Like they like look different, they talk different, 636 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.239 they act different, you know, like they their customs are different. 637 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.079 Like it's just not that's not the case. So I 638 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.000 think that's basically true. And it's also it you know 639 00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.840 stand Barts and uh, there was a whole point too, 640 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.679 was that there's something uh, I mean the there there 641 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:11.159 there there is something. Uh, you know, cultures are kind 642 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.960 of like someone to drift in history. I mean the 643 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.199 way I mean, the way they manage these like emergent challenges. 644 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.760 I mean obviously that's evolutional, but there's also this this 645 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.960 idea that, uh, this idea that like if we ignore 646 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.159 like this kind of impulse or socialism, it will go away. 647 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.280 And if we like outlawed, or if we you know, 648 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.360 or if we just you know, or if we make 649 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.760 it fair to everybody that you know, there's there's not 650 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.599 a limited amount of wealth in the world. And you know, 651 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.599 if they if they just developed the gumption and industriousness, 652 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.119 like they too can become rich. And that's not this 653 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.519 not the way things work. I'm not even saying like 654 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.760 ethical terms. I mean it's just like not like like 655 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:55.039 man individually or or man severally or collectively, you know, 656 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.159 at at at the at the cultural level and as 657 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.039 regards as historical enterprises is not is a very limited 658 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.360 participant man, you know. And there's something cotton E. Europeans 659 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.079 always understood that, or rather accepted that in a way 660 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.400 that the English didn't. It's not my purpose is here 661 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.880 in just like trash England is you know, is I 662 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:18.960 know some git's a hobby for some people, particularly in 663 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.679 our circles. But this idea that you know, oh, we 664 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.519 can just author you know, like we just kind of 665 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.239 we can just kind of like author like a well 666 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.119 functioning society by you know, resorts you know, kind of 667 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.960 like sound principles of economics or something like this, or 668 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.679 by resorts you know, like social science, like that's actually 669 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.280 a very, that's actually a very, that's actually like a 670 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.320 very anglophone thing. I think that's part of it. All 671 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.039 those things, but I don't put them in a lead disagree. 672 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.199 You know, you have sometimes overstated. 673 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.679 When you read a lot of the writings from the 674 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.559 early twenties. I just read Schmidt's political theology on the show. 675 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:06.320 You you see that they're struggling with this new world 676 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.519 that you know, World War One changed so much, and 677 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.599 now you know, if you have a monarchy left, it's 678 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.239 a parliamentary monarch. He had some monarchy had name. Only 679 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:22.960 when Spangler is looking at Europe and he's seeing those changes, 680 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.320 how is he how is he interpreting what he sees? 681 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.679 I mean the uh well, I mean it's again he's 682 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.519 There's there's a common strain in Spangler and Schumpeter and 683 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.480 in and in Sombert. The reason why socialism was on 684 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.320 their mind, you Knoweter was Trumpeter, like Spangler was probably 685 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.480 the most like anti socialist figure you can imagine. Like 686 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.239 they didn't say it. They weren't saying socialisms and inevitability 687 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.000 because oh, this is the merchant history and this is progress. 688 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.760 They're saying that. You know, once like x level of 689 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.519 development is accomplished, and when you have verstal suffrage, you know, 690 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.559 people are going to like vote themselves more. Uh, They're 691 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.960 they're gonna they're they're gonna say the golden goose by 692 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.559 voting themselves in in in the tunery. Okay, Like as 693 00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.199 a culture, how do you manage that? You know, it's like, well, 694 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.880 if you have that what you know the Germans used 695 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.039 to call the mentioned material to kind of mitigate that 696 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.840 because you have an industrious people, you know, you do 697 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.119 whatever you can, uh, you know, kind of martial those 698 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.639 energies you know towards uh, towards things that facilitate you know, 699 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.679 competitiveness on the world market, you know, and that you know, 700 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:37.239 frankly facilitate you know, the ability to to uh, to 701 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.320 constitute a fearsome army that can appropriate what you can't 702 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.599 produce at home. But this is an ongoing problem and 703 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.719 with the absence of a mitigating you know, the kind 704 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.840 of the kind of a fatalistic the understanding of the 705 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.719 kind of like fatalism of of of of God's dominion, 706 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:55.320 I mean, is the way I logantic I'm a Bible 707 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.280 prod or you know, if you're just some kind of 708 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.840 agnostic who nonetheless accepts you know that, you know, the 709 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.000 process of history is something that man is not truly 710 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:08.320 the power to shape or control. You know, You've got 711 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.880 you've got to become comfortable with like a certain amount 712 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:13.400 of like, you know, surrender to these processes. They're like 713 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.320 greater than man is. Okay, the the deteriation of government 714 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.320 into this guy you know from you know kind of 715 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.679 the kind of you know from kind of like you know, 716 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.159 the on the nose like theological kind of symbolism a monarchy, 717 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.079 and they're just kind of like a parliament to take 718 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.159 a glorified public works administration that that that has a 719 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:41.480 very corrupting effect. And uh, that's why Spangler, you know, 720 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.800 he held out the Prussian state. It's not like it's 721 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.239 not like span some like military man or some Prussian 722 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.880 martinette himself. You know, he was he was he was 723 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.480 like he was kind of like the consummate, like you 724 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.719 know Burger type. 725 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:55.960 Uh. 726 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.440 And he was you know, like a bookish kind of 727 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.880 like timid guy. Like what he was saying was that, 728 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.000 you know, really the only state that can survived this process, 729 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.800 you know, with an with an intact culture that is 730 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.079 prone to you know, things like you know, sustaining it's 731 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.800 it's it's human quality with you know, with with appropriately 732 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:23.920 hygienic praaspets practices figuratively literally, and that you know, is 733 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.079 capable of you know, generating the wealth that's going to 734 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:33.360 be you know rapidly kind of cycled through and consumed 735 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.239 you know by the voracious monster that is you know, 736 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.440 the you know, the the parliament, the europe the modern 737 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:48.079 parliamentary parliamentary democracy. You know, a state, a state with 738 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:54.079 the Prussian ethos extrapolated you know, to to potentially a 739 00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.599 continent size uh, great space, great sovereign space would would 740 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.719 be what's required. And I basically agree with that, and 741 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.719 I mean that's why that is obviously in my opinion, 742 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:14.000 like what got Hitler's interest in Spangler's stuff. You know, 743 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.960 Hitler read looked at maps all the time for the 744 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.400 time he was a little child, like literally and like 745 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.719 until he died, until like literally like the week he died, 746 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.039 he always had his maps and his colored pencils, and 747 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.880 you know, he he was fixated on geography and you know, 748 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.440 implications they're in both tactical and strategic as well as 749 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:39.880 you know, culturally and informative capacities. But Hitler didn't sit 750 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.480 around reading like like geopolitics all day. You know. He 751 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.360 was into stuff like Schopenhauer. He was into like I mean, 752 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.440 it was his favorite like philosopher, you know, and he 753 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.199 was into he was into like art theory and stuff 754 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.519 like i I've never heard of before, you know. And 755 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.360 he was into like you know, he was into like 756 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.360 you know, heroepics and German histories. But it's not like 757 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.400 Spangler was kind of thing he ordinarily would just like 758 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.559 been like, oh, this is great, you know it God's attention. 759 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.840 Not just because Spangler again was a guy who had 760 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.320 a lot of clout in the Inner War years. It's 761 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.559 because like that what I just described, like that is 762 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.079 what spoke to Hitler and like basis for that is 763 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.800 not just the table talk, but it's the December eleventh, 764 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:25.119 nineteen forty one speech to the Reichstag, and that's an 765 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.679 important speech for all kinds of reasons. But Hitler, Hitler's 766 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.480 talking about the Prussian experience in uh In eighteen thirteen. 767 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.360 He's anything, but he's not. He's not saying the Prussian kingdom. 768 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.800 He's saying we. He's saying he's talking about the German 769 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.360 vogue is synonymous with the Prussian state. Okay, And this 770 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.519 was in Hitler was a Habsburg Austrian saying this. I 771 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.840 mean that that to me that it's abou outside the scope. 772 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.199 But that's what convinces me. That to convinced me of 773 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:59.960 what I just said. But that's basically Spangler's notion. I mean, 774 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.880 there's more, there's a lot more there, like in his 775 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.360 body of work, but in terms of what he in 776 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.840 terms of the prescription for how the stage should be 777 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.480 configured and what it's UH and what it's sort of 778 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:17.079 like guiding UH ideas should be. You know, that's that's 779 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.079 what he's getting in and that's what he's concerned with, 780 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:25.239 and that's what everybody was concerned with. And uh, you know, yeah, 781 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.199 I mean that's trumpter and some are because like I said, 782 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.920 I mean they they were quintally concerned the same fundamentally 783 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.480 considered the same thing is because these are questions of 784 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.519 of existential imperative significance. 785 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:45.159 Let's let's do Yaki now you and you already mentioned this, 786 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.320 and this is probably the thing that anyone who knows 787 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:55.000 who finds out something about Yaqui wants to question or 788 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.840 once to use to dismiss him. It's his embracing of 789 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:05.280 the Soviet of the Soviet Union and his reasoning behind that. 790 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:10.000 And I think a lot of people look at it, 791 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.599 would look now and look at the world and be like, 792 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.039 if somebody's honest, they'll be like, well, I think he 793 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:17.960 was ahead of his time and his thinking in this. 794 00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.360 But it's still really hard because you know, we've gone 795 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.679 through this whole, We've had seventy five years of of 796 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:29.119 the Soviet Union. Was the was our enemy. I mean 797 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.960 we grew up in that way, We grew up that way. 798 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.880 The Soviet Union was was our enemy. You know, if 799 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.639 bombs start dropping, hide into your desk, crying of kind 800 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:42.079 of crap. So Bayaki saying that the Soviet Union was 801 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.199 that he would support he was supporting the Soviet Union 802 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.960 at that point. You know, can you go it a 803 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.800 little more into detail his reasoning behind that. 804 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.320 Well, yeah, I mean, first and foremost and kind of 805 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.639 the most in the most basic terms and a basic, 806 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.760 strugg full terms. It's what I said when I referenced 807 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.599 Chris Boyce with nothing in common with yacky, but I 808 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.920 but in in in Jewish, in geopolitical terms. That that 809 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.559 was that that that was, that was the structural issue. Okay, 810 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.840 an American, an American hedgemond would lead to what you 811 00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:20.800 see today. You know, it would lead to the social 812 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.920 engineering of of race out of existence other than the 813 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:28.079 Jewish races. As a matter of course, like literally at debate, 814 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.039 that's not something conspiracy theory that's literally baked into the 815 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:37.360 American ideology. Okay, and uh even even really not the case. 816 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:43.800 You don't want in in a twenty first century You 817 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.760 did not want to pack sramana in a twenty first 818 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.159 century world, Okay, you just don't. That's not You do 819 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:55.599 not want great power monopolization of global resources, like singular 820 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.760 great power monopolization of global resources. That's going to be 821 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.519 a tyranny no matter what. So just an absolute like 822 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:08.320 a political terms, structural terms is that. Secondly, Yaki always 823 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.559 Yaqui's all big point was that he said that like 824 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.400 and then again, part of this is kind of like 825 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.960 a cultural Catholicism, but I'm not saying that cumatively at all. 826 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.519 Yaki's point was like, look, you've got to look at 827 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.639 yourself Americas, White Americans need to look at themselves as 828 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.199 as basically like Europeans who live in a new world, Okay, 829 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.000 because if you don't, you're gonna make compromises that ultimately 830 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.719 like write you out of history. Okay, and that's what 831 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:37.480 happened in nineteen thirty three New Deal America. And beyond. 832 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.360 It's singularly anti it's anti Western, it's anti white, it's 833 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.000 anti European, and like why wouldn't it be it views 834 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.079 all these things as alien to itself. Okay, it's basically 835 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.000 Jewish such that it has like a cultural orientation at all, 836 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.079 Like the people constantly do it who aren't Jewish, like 837 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.480 they might as well be because they don't care and 838 00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.719 like what they don't view as hostile they simply have 839 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:03.320 no interest in preserving. Okay, the only way europe can survive. 840 00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.920 Is Europe hass to join with Russia. Now Yatu would 841 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.559 have preferred, you know, that to have occurred with you know, 842 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.599 you know the capture of Moscow in December nineteen forty one, 843 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.840 because that didn't happen. Well, we have you know, we 844 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:21.800 have the world that we have, not the world that 845 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.480 we want. So the only way that Europe is going 846 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.119 to throw off the American yoke is by sometime of 847 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:35.320 concord with the Soviet Union. And after nineteen fifty three 848 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.039 he said that wouldn't be particularly in city. It's like, yeah, 849 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.159 Soviet occupation is a tyranny, but you know, it's like 850 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.199 elite de ben was that the tyranny of the body. 851 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.760 You know, whether Stalin intended to do this for sectarian 852 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.239 and ethnic reasons or whether he just did it for 853 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.840 practical reasons. Because these people constantly with a threat you know, 854 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.639 to the to not just his own mandate, but the 855 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:02.079 enduring power of the party. Stalin literally perd Jews from 856 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.000 leadership in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Okay, 857 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:07.760 and he did so in a way that was fairly 858 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.239 above board. That was that was Yougi's point about the 859 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.039 Prague Trials Okay, every I mean out of the Prague 860 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.719 Trials were I mean of a of a satellite regime, 861 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.559 you know, it's a satellite regime that was the subject 862 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.360 of it. But it was not either because that was 863 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.079 kind of like a test case. And every one of 864 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.480 the Doctor's plot defenders with Jewish but one. Okay, And 865 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.039 it's like that, so we don't even trying to hide 866 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.239 was underway here, you know, just like we don't care 867 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.760 like these people are these people are are Fifth Columnists, 868 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:39.519 like they're gonna. 869 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:39.960 Die, you know. 870 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.559 So okay, Yeah, like in Germany, Germany in nineteen fifty 871 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.079 or ninety sixty, you know, uh, in concord with the 872 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.159 Soviet Union. Yeah, the people there were were gonna made 873 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.280 them the heel of Stalinism on their neck. But you know, 874 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.440 they wouldn't be being genocided out of existence, you know, 875 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.480 like churches were going to be replaced with the Holocaust museums. 876 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.960 You know, like black immigrants, we're gonna be flooded into 877 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.559 the cities, you know, like pornography wasn't gonna be flooded 878 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.239 made available basically for free. I mean, like this was 879 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.280 a lot lot less insidious, okay, like being poor and 880 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.360 having like, uh, to deal with a political police force 881 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.440 that's not a small thing that's fucked up. Nobody would 882 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.840 say that's good. That's better than what I just described. Okay, 883 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:26.880 And not only is it better at day to day 884 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.480 terms and in civilizational terms, you can survive that, you 885 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.480 cannot survive the other Okay, that was Yaki's reasoning. Finally, 886 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.840 again Yaki was like Kennon, He's like, look, the Soviet 887 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.119 Union is not going to exist in fifty years. It's 888 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.159 definitely not gonna exist in one hundred years. From his 889 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.360 then for the nineteen fifty he's like, you know, when 890 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.599 the Soviet Union's gone, there's still gonna be a Russia. 891 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.559 There's still gonna be in Germany. You know, there's still 892 00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:56.480 gonna be a Europe. You know. It's you know, so 893 00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:00.599 this idea that you know, this is this idea that 894 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.239 like you know, what if if if we could pitulate, 895 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.920 we could picture like the Soviet Union. Now you know 896 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.119 that the world's gonna become this this you know, is 897 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.559 gonna become this kind of like uh, this kind of 898 00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.039 like giant gulag hell, you know, is you know, that's 899 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.039 that's fast style. I take some exception to I mean, 900 00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:19.400 I don't want to get into my own view on 901 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:24.000 this because it's it's it's outside the scope. But you know, 902 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:31.599 his point was that, you know, there's nothing less cosmopolitan 903 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.079 than the truly like kind of like Russian cultural soul. Okay, 904 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.280 So even if you have like a europe and particlarly 905 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.039 in Germany like dominated by Russian perpetuity, you know, gradually 906 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.199 like they're gonna slough off, you know, either the appearance 907 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.480 of communism and even and even appeal to it as 908 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.079 some kind of you know ration, like like purported rationale. 909 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.360 You know, for what for what the regime does? You know, 910 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.840 you're gonna be left the basis kind of like this 911 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.239 kind of like nationalists Russian regime that you know might 912 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.880 be brutish towards the Germans, but it's not gonna it's 913 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:05.320 not gonna be it's not gonna be trying to racially 914 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.119 exterminate them out of history, and it's not gonna be 915 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.599 able to insinuate itself into the culture. Like no, they 916 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:13.480 can Russia not do that. They can't do that. You're like, damn, 917 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.360 like you were not gonna see like Russian kids all 918 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.239 just kind of spontaneously speaking Russian because they viewed the 919 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.400 Russians as the higher culture. You were gonna see like 920 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.000 you know, German women, like deciding you want to dress 921 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.159 like you know, like like Russian women, you're not gonna 922 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.840 find you know, German saying you know what, like you know, 923 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.280 I were antellectual canon just inferior to that going to 924 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.199 be in produced by the Russians, Like I'm not trashing Russia, 925 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.039 but this is this is a fact, okay, like that 926 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.800 that would not happen. And also again I mean I 927 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.320 use the example which seems like the kind of narrow, 928 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:48.000 narrowly focused example of uh, you know, Warsaw pac command 929 00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.519 of control having certain challenges, you know, because there was 930 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:53.760 like language barriers. I mean that that's that part of 931 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:55.199 that was just like a Russian thing where I'm not 932 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.639 gonna learn German, you know, like I I'm the occupier, 933 00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.280 I'm the boss, you know who. I don't care about 934 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.519 these people. I mean, it really is kind of like 935 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.320 a crude showing. And then a lot of Russians do. 936 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:05.920 I don't even think that's fairly bad. I'm kind of 937 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:09.239 the same way in my own like fucking Yankee Pecker 938 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.760 would start a wigh. Okay, I'm not some fucking not 939 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.000 so many things, like being cosmopolit is this braint thing, 940 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.559 okay at all, But whether it's good or bad is incidental. 941 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.679 Like that's not what the Russians are, Like, that's not 942 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.920 how they do things. Okay. So that was Yaki's point, 943 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.000 and you know, at the end of the day, I 944 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.360 mean he was he was right because it's like even 945 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.599 if you you can look at the big rebubtal of 946 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.719 that would be like people, uh, you know, the kinds 947 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.320 of people who would say, like we'll look at what 948 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.480 the look at what the Soviets did in the colored world. 949 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.119 You know, they were radicalizing all these people against the West, 950 00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:47.719 Like but like what was the West? What was the 951 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.559 West then? Like the West was uh, they they were 952 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.039 open borders, they were you know, we've gotta we've got 953 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.360 to eliminate, you know, this this leg of equity between 954 00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.199 the sexes. We've gotta we we we we've got to 955 00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.320 destroy these pairs communities where people are insisting on retaining 956 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.679 their own kind of purity of ethnos and cultural practice. 957 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.800 You know, we gotta, you know, we gotta we we 958 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.039 gotta create this kind of global monoculture, whereas you know, like, uh, 959 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.960 we're where we were beyond race, like the Soviets were 960 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.519 doing all of this. Yeah, okay, I don't think it's 961 00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.519 good that the Soviets were the you know in the 962 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.559 Cubans were the flowing and forced a you know, it's 963 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:29.079 a the Africa to annihilate you know, the Board of Republic. 964 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.280 But I mean, okay, in the grand scheme, what I 965 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.840 say is there's out Okay, there was Washington wasn't as 966 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.960 far far far more radical, far more actually communistic, far 967 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.639 more and city is far more destructive than Moscow ever 968 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.239 was Okay, and that was the case in nineteen fifty Okay, 969 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.360 as it is today. That was Jockey's point. 970 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.400 Let's uh, let's finish up with us. So Jacky gets caught, 971 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.000 he gets drown in jail, and he uh, he ends 972 00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:59.320 up killing himself. 973 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.519 Indeed, what why do you think he did? I think 974 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.119 Yaki never an H. Thompson, who was his good friend, 975 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.960 and even like decades after the fact, I mean Thompson, 976 00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.119 Thompson realized that he was a witness to history in 977 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.880 some sense, so I mean he he he. He was 978 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.440 relatively open with interviewers about his own life and his 979 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:25.360 own kind of experiences. I think he always played kind 980 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.440 of KOI about Yaki, Like Yaki had no visible source 981 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.320 of income. But you know, according to his friends, he 982 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.519 was always addressed well and he never had a lot 983 00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.800 of money, but he was never like starving, you know, 984 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.559 and he uh, it's pretty clear to me that you know, 985 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.159 he was that he was an East Block intelligence asset. 986 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:48.039 I believe that he made contact with Otto Reemer and 987 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.719 the Socialist Reich's Party when uh he when he when 988 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.719 he when he was briefly a war crimes prosecutor, and 989 00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:01.960 he deliberately lost his cases. I do like lesser war criminals. 990 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.920 But he he went to he was he was held 991 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:06.880 out trying to get to Germany, and he did That's 992 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.639 why he wanted to go away. In my opinion, I 993 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.880 believe may kind of the guys like Reamer, you know, 994 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.239 Reamer was uh reamerhead of you that I mean, I mean, 995 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.800 you know, uh, the Socialsch Party was they they favored 996 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.639 alliance with the Soviet Union. I mean, that was the whole, 997 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.880 that was their whole. Raizlin Detro was gonna skew the 998 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.559 the what remained of the German nationalists right towards you know, 999 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:38.679 away from NATO. But it uh I believe that through 1000 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:43.119 Reamer he got introduced, uh probably to the probably the 1001 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.079 elements of of East German intelligence and definitely the kg 1002 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.519 B types. And uh, I think that that was Jacky's 1003 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.559 I think that was Yaki's role. And I think what 1004 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.960 I think part of what Yachi was doing was he 1005 00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.280 was trying he was working on neutralized like him and 1006 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:03.159 like everybody's so deployed as he was. It was based 1007 00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:05.400 on their job like neutralized with the Allies, we're trying 1008 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.079 to accomplish with their like kind of Operation Gladio notions. 1009 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.159 You know, they're they're like the Warsaw pack was basically 1010 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:17.519 swinging like uh, the European like patriotic right and like 1011 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.320 the fascist right like towards their tamp for the reasons 1012 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.719 I just said, and uh, Washington, uh and people like 1013 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.119 Dallas especially that was they were very upset about that 1014 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.079 because obviously, like this was a key part of kind 1015 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.639 of like their their strategy for if there was a 1016 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.199 general Communist assault on Europe. You know, their stay behind 1017 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.719 element was these guys who like Yaqui was flipping to 1018 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:46.360 the Soviet side, you know, stuff like that. And he also, yeah, 1019 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.000 but Yaki had like four or five different passports in 1020 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.599 different names. He was arrested, like and this wasn't like 1021 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:53.480 today where you know, if you know the right people 1022 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.280 you can get that done. Like that could print a 1023 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.480 passport in nineteen fifty you know, like you couldn't do 1024 00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.480 that any typewriter. I mean, I I believe that very 1025 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:02.960 is very clear. 1026 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:09.920 Do you think from reading Bolton, do you think there's 1027 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.639 a chance he was originally intelligence for the United States. 1028 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.920 He goes a wall in the beginning of World War 1029 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.320 in the beginning of World War two, disappears into South 1030 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.599 America and then comes back, and he doesn't do any 1031 00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.400 time or it doesn't seem that he's even reprimanded, or 1032 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.519 if he has reprimanded, it's a slap on the it's 1033 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:30.719 a slap on the rest, I. 1034 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.800 Mean as possible. Yeah. And uh. He also he wrote 1035 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:39.519 he wrote a speech or two for for Senator Joe McCarthy, which, uh, 1036 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.480 you know, the storty of the speech was like why 1037 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.679 you know we need rearmed Germany and like embrace Germany 1038 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.239 as like allies. It's really interesting, I think, but like 1039 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.719 why why would Joe McCarthy Like know who Yacky was. 1040 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.199 I mean McCarthy was like a big deal then. I 1041 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.960 mean like his it's gonna his fall from grace Roverbia 1042 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.000 Lee was dramatic and profound. But you know, McCarthy was 1043 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.000 one of the left still like burns him in fig 1044 00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:05.920 today is because he was like a big deal. So 1045 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:07.719 it's like why why this big shats senator at all? 1046 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.960 Just kind of like random like right wing lawyer like 1047 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:11.639 that doesn't really make a lot of sense, you know, 1048 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:16.840 So like, uh yeah, so I mean there's a very 1049 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:18.079 good chance. Yeah, definitely. 1050 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.920 All right, let's leave it there and uh, we'll come 1051 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.079 back to the Cold War on the next episode. And 1052 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.199 I think this had Cold War implications so that that's good. 1053 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.800 Oh absolutely, And we can come back to this on 1054 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.480 another date. Drop some plugs and we'll end this. 1055 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.519 Yeah for sure. Man, thanks for the time being. I'm 1056 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.480 still on Twitter. I think that's probably gonna come to 1057 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:42.480 an end soon, So I behoove people follow me on substack. 1058 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:48.119 You know my substick is uh real Thomas seven seven 1059 00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.280 seven dot substack dot com. You know, there's like a 1060 00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.880 whole like there's a there's a whole like chat feature there. 1061 00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.440 You know, people are pretty active on I'm on t gram. 1062 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.000 You know, I still end the time being on Twitter. 1063 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:04.960 For the time being on Twitter at real Underscore number 1064 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.880 seven h one mes seven seven seven. I'm working on 1065 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.880 the channel still in earnest. I'm gonna start shooting dedicated 1066 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.920 content for it by the first week in April, so 1067 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.280 I mean be looking for that. It's Thomas PD on YouTube. 1068 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.960 Once I started uploading like real original content, I'm gonna 1069 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.559 start saturating like Odyssey and on this stuff. But right 1070 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.400 now I'm on YouTube so people can find us. I 1071 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:29.360 realize that it's not long for as the Earth one 1072 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:33.039 once they figure out what I'm doing. But I will 1073 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.679 hip everybody to that, like on my substack, because I 1074 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.480 have been doing this stuff and that's all I got 1075 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:38.880 for know. 1076 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.800 Well, thank you very much, thanks for this, No, thank 1077 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:43.039 you man. Take care. 1078 00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.440 Yeah, I want to. 1079 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.519 Welcome everyone back to the pe Comana Show. Do it 1080 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:54.760 a little uh timely one here. I'm gonna be releasing 1081 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.559 this on September eleventh, and I guess somebody some people 1082 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:01.800 would think we were doing a nine to eleven episode, 1083 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.480 but now this is actually the fiftieth anniversary of the 1084 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.280 coup in Chile, and I want to have Thomis on 1085 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:18.480 to give his opinion of what it was and how 1086 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:23.039 it went down and how it benefited the right. That 1087 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:24.800 sound good, I. 1088 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.880 Mean yeah, I meanly, I mean, I mainly want to 1089 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:34.960 dismantle misconceptions as well as out and out confabulations about 1090 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:40.039 the situation in Chile, you know, cultural, political, and historical, 1091 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:45.199 because all these things play into the equation. You know, 1092 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:51.440 I'm not just being a historical researcher who's insane when 1093 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:57.199 he was on fetishes for anthropological data. In this discussion, 1094 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.880 it really is significant in a and the cause of Chile, 1095 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.880 in Latin America generally, but Chile in particular. We're gonna 1096 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.400 talk about what happened there and why it became such 1097 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.760 a critical Cold War battle theater. And that's the way 1098 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.880 to understand this. That's the way to understand this. That's 1099 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:20.039 the way to understand the totality of what became Operation Condor. 1100 01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.719 That's the way to understand the situation in Argentina, which 1101 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:26.199 was a lot more murky and conspiratorial than that of Chile. 1102 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.559 I mean that weren't the discussion all onto itself, but 1103 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.960 particularly the the you know, what developed in Nicaragua and 1104 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:45.519 El Salvador and uh Granada was key as well in 1105 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:50.480 the final phase of the Cold War, and people they 1106 01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:55.559 don't fully understand at the time, people generally did. It's 1107 01:01:55.639 --> 01:02:01.719 interesting how they kind of tortured rationale. People would resort 1108 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.360 to these Peter Arnett types and even Oliver Stone who 1109 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:11.760 made a pretty negative partisan movie about you know, Central America. 1110 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.159 I think it was actually called Salvador. I don't know 1111 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.559 how these people could rationalize. I mean, I know how 1112 01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:19.840 they did superficially, I mean I was alive during the time, 1113 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.079 but how they could sort of redact in their own 1114 01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:28.199 mind the fact that Central and South America, you know, 1115 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:34.039 maybe maybe we refer to as Latin America in total 1116 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.119 was an active battle space in the final phase of 1117 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.960 the Cold War, and it was a truly critical battle 1118 01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:45.079 space because not just in terms of American credibility visa 1119 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.079 visa on Roe doctrine and things, but that would have 1120 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:53.840 rectified the strategic imbalance that Warsaw packed was always disadvantaged 1121 01:02:53.880 --> 01:03:01.400 by owing to, you know, facts of geography and the 1122 01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:06.239 fact that in that epoch the way four structures were, 1123 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:13.239 you know, owing to the technology the day it conferred 1124 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.440 a tremendous advantage on NATO potentially that it could strike 1125 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:25.840 you know, basically from you know, within critical range decapitation range. 1126 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.599 Ultimately we're talking about strategic nuclear platforms a Soviet territory. 1127 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:36.639 But the and finally, I'll bring it back to the 1128 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:42.559 discussion at hand in more precise terms, and the daytadd era, 1129 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:51.280 the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pack and adjacent states, 1130 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:56.400 they were winning the Cold War. It in military terms. 1131 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.679 It didn't matter that wars Up Pack was a basket 1132 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.360 case in terms of its internal situation. It didn't matter 1133 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.639 that the Soviets are negotiating, uh, you know, a crisis 1134 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.119 from the Kremline itself a leadership as you know, this 1135 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:16.239 kind of aged gerontocracy like literally died off. You know. Uh, 1136 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:26.239 America was soundly defeated in Vietnam. Nixon mitigated, uh, the 1137 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:32.880 significance of that, but decoupling Beijing for Warsaw Packed. But 1138 01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:39.199 that didn't entirely nullify the impact of the outcome obviously, 1139 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:44.159 and that led to in turn, you know, the America 1140 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.159 ended up backing the camer Rouge against the People's Army 1141 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:51.000 of Vietnam. You know, because the Commune Rouge were China's 1142 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.599 proxy this problem. So this three way proxy war developed, 1143 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.800 you know, between the Khmer Rouge, you know, who were 1144 01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.159 victorious against on Noulls forces, you know, between the Khmer 1145 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.719 Rouge and the People's Army of Vietnam, you know, the 1146 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.679 United the Chinese had their own agenda there, but the 1147 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.199 United States and the people at China were nominally backing 1148 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:12.639 the bagging the Khmer Rouge against the Soviet client in Vietnam. 1149 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:17.320 The Soviets responded, you know, by throwing heavy military developmental 1150 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:21.599 subsidies in India, you know, and uh reaffirming their friendship 1151 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:25.840 packed as a hedge against China. America responded, you know, 1152 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.679 by by taking on Pakistan, you know, and uh and 1153 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.280 in bagging Pakistan and the Indo Pakistan War, you know, 1154 01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:41.199 and drop off Ustanov and uh Gram ego as the 1155 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:47.639 kind of trifecta of executive leadership in the Soviet Union 1156 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.960 at the time, you know that that's what caused them 1157 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.320 to actually move in Afghanistan. I think, like we talked about, 1158 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.199 like they were convinced that the Afghan regime was gonna 1159 01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.000 the Afghania regime was gonna pivot towards the United States 1160 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.760 dates and uh, they thought that, you know, they thought 1161 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:12.440 that Carter uh was heavily cultivating that, especially only the 1162 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.760 loss of Iran, but also I mean that would you 1163 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:19.320 know Afghanistan with the decapitation arrange of Kazakhstan and Kazakhstan 1164 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.119 was you know, that's what Star City is. I mean 1165 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:25.119 that was critical to Soviet strategic nuclear commanding control. So 1166 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.559 I mean this was uh, you know, basically the tent 1167 01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:31.559 would ended it. I mean it was the invasion of 1168 01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.679 Afghanistan and other things, but it uh, you know, the 1169 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.079 communists run the move on every continent and goal is 1170 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:43.559 another one, okay, and there was neither the political will 1171 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.119 nor the force isn't being anymore for America to force 1172 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.440 to enforce the Truman doctrine. Then come to the direct 1173 01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:55.239 aid of these you know, friendly states under siege by 1174 01:06:55.360 --> 01:07:03.360 communist elements, and you know, the military itself. You know 1175 01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:06.800 that the draft had ended and the revolution of military 1176 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:12.599 affairs hadn't you know, gotten off and been implemented yet 1177 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.320 in any meaningful way. Although these these weapons systems and 1178 01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.840 this command control technology like did exist, it just hadn't 1179 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:24.280 been integrated into you know, fource structures and being in 1180 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:27.039 a meaningful way yet. But you know, looking at a 1181 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:35.719 map in nineteen seventy three, again in military terms, the 1182 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:39.880 Soviet Union is winning the Cold War. Chile is an 1183 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:43.920 oddly situated place and kind of like Argentina, there was 1184 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:45.639 high hopes for it. You know, people used to talk 1185 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:47.719 about Argentina like it was going to be the United 1186 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:52.760 States of South America, which obviously didn't happen. But you know, 1187 01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:56.679 despite the racial kind of mixture in these countries, they're 1188 01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.159 more European than they are like America or can't the 1189 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:08.000 you know, Chile, UH became a pretty major regional military 1190 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:12.880 power after what was called the War of the Pacific. 1191 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.520 This took place in in eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty four. 1192 01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:23.920 Chile fought against the coalition of Peru and Bolivia and 1193 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.279 and one this kind of like uh, you know, like 1194 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:33.880 like like Prussian style like blitz victory, okay, and acquired 1195 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.600 a lot of territory and a lot of clout. But 1196 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:44.600 obviously again owing to UH its situation, UH on the 1197 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.079 cone of South America. I mean, there's a strategic significance 1198 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:55.760 there regardless. You know, it's not like the South Atlantic 1199 01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.760 you know, and access to the South Atlantic and specifically 1200 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.319 the ability to engage you know, the US fleet and 1201 01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:08.359 the Atlantic potentially you know before it even you know, 1202 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.279 is able to deploy beyond uh, you know, the Western 1203 01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:16.079 hemisphere potentially. I mean that was huge. But it's also 1204 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:23.880 you know, there's a there, there's there's there's something to 1205 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:29.319 the idea of revolutionary ideology being sort of like a 1206 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:34.560 fire that catches or some kind of virul and backless, 1207 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.840 if you'll forgive the kind of overwrought metaphor. But that's true, 1208 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:41.800 and people are accepting that more and more now, not 1209 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.680 not because they've taken on some kind of pumutive view 1210 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:48.479 of communism and history or something, and not even that 1211 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.600 that's that's that's not even really in the contemplation. And 1212 01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:53.680 most of these kind of like neuroscience types and you know, 1213 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.560 kind of like cultural psychologists. But you know, people talk 1214 01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.039 about the way like memes become truly viral and like 1215 01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.079 information mac the viral you know, that's kind of a 1216 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.640 narrow that's kind of a whittled down version of what 1217 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:11.479 the phenomena I'm talking about. And you know, revolutionary momentum 1218 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.039 uh is something that is a real thing. You know, 1219 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:23.319 it's the analogies are myriad, you know, across accounting for 1220 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:31.079 racial and cultural differences and you know, really really controlling 1221 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:36.880 for all variables, suggesting true diversity. You know this this 1222 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:40.640 can't really be denied. So all us aside, you know, 1223 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:42.720 like as I talked about with respect to Vietnam, and 1224 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.319 you know previously one of the ways that part weighs 1225 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:49.600 with people like Meerscheimer. But this idea that you have 1226 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:52.279 this kind of like materialist view of warfare, this kind 1227 01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:55.439 of cloudset what's on steroids you of warfare like well, 1228 01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:57.720 you know, credibility doesn't matter, you know, and as so 1229 01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.159 long as you have you know, strategic forces and being 1230 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.760 to devastate your enemy. And there was no quote you know, 1231 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.600 key there there's no essential interest in in Vietnam. It 1232 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:10.960 didn't matter, you know, in the twentieth century, like wars 1233 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.039 weren't fought you know, to control you know, access to 1234 01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.199 rubber plantations you know, or like you know, fur trade 1235 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:20.000 routes like Vietnam became World War three y proxy because 1236 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.159 like that's where the battle lines were drawn, that's where 1237 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:27.319 the Communists attacked, you know, and that's where uh, that's 1238 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.560 That's where Washington had to had to draw the line 1239 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.319 and respond. You know, it didn't matter that it was 1240 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.880 in CEU East Asia and there's not some quote key 1241 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:40.039 interests there according to you know, traditional paradigms of political economy. 1242 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.239 So in Chile, even if there was nothing in Chile, 1243 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.399 I mean there wasn't there wasn't there is, But even 1244 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.319 if there wasn't, it didn't matter. You know, a communist 1245 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:55.840 revolution there what have would have developed tremendous momentum that 1246 01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:01.880 had profound significance beyond its borders and uh probably even 1247 01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:04.520 beyond you know, like the South American continent and into 1248 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:09.239 you know, Central and uh in North America. Even so, 1249 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:11.680 I don't think to keep in mind, now what what 1250 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.880 was the situation in Chile generally like because this is important. 1251 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:21.319 It relates to like out love the Junta Tennischet himself 1252 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.720 and why they were such a test case and staunch 1253 01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:31.600 resistance to communism and being a cultural anthropologist, they used 1254 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.880 to write quite a bit about this, you know, why 1255 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.560 why some of these in their mind and this is 1256 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:40.239 a superficial view of my point, like why some of 1257 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.119 these Latin American states seemed almost like mirror Franco was Spain, 1258 01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:54.560 but it Spaniards and Portuguese and populations derived primarily from 1259 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.600 those cultural malons. They're not these people don't represent a 1260 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:00.640 martial race in the way you think of like the 1261 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:04.520 Spartans of the Prussians. But there's some deeply insinuated like 1262 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.680 military culture there. Okay, there just is you know, uh, 1263 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.079 whether it's the cot is a you know the quote 1264 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:15.239 of Adalgo kind of like large is it? You know 1265 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.479 that there's something sanguinary in my opinion to Spanish Catholicism. 1266 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:20.399 I don't mean that punitive terms. I think that's actually 1267 01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:21.720 quite fascinating. 1268 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:22.439 You know. 1269 01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.600 But the you see, this is some degree in France too, 1270 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:30.640 but in the Iberian cultures it's more pronounced. But the 1271 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.520 military heads had an outsized role in Chile, you know, 1272 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.600 like it did in Spain, like it didn't Portugal, like 1273 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:38.039 it does in Italy, or it didn't Italy. Okay, this 1274 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:41.760 is a fact. There was a there was a culture 1275 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.920 into itself. Okay, now there is it. Chile. As I 1276 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.079 just mentioned, Chile has unusual geography. It's always south of 1277 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:53.600 potential encirclement by rival states the north and to the east, 1278 01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.960 so it's institutional orientation of its armed forces was always 1279 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.680 on the possibility of fighting a multi front war. Now 1280 01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.039 who executives that sound like that sounds exactly like the Prussians, 1281 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:10.319 and what gave rise to the staff system, which you know, 1282 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:17.560 ultimately every modern army imitates. But there was going to 1283 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:20.439 this fact even before the Chilean military modernized, you know, 1284 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:25.560 in the in the wake of you know, the the 1285 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:31.319 Great War and what have you. There's always certain there 1286 01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:34.920 there's always an understanding that, you know, Chile, the Chilean 1287 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:38.239 army in particularly the army had to be built around 1288 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:40.479 a kind of cadre structure, you know, where some version 1289 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.319 of mission oriented tactics that had to be cultivated. You know, 1290 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:46.640 they're like, you know, anybody in a leadership role from 1291 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:48.600 like NCO upward would have to exhibit you know, a 1292 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:52.960 superior training efficiency motivation you know, basically man for man, 1293 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:58.000 be better than the enemy. Okay, because again Chile was 1294 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:00.560 was basically always facing a kind of like on Schleief 1295 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:07.239 and quagmire, if that makes any sense. And there's certain 1296 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:10.159 anthropological factors too, of a of a more kind of 1297 01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:15.079 cultural nature, okay, Like the the Chilean arny was very 1298 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:20.640 very very Catholic. The background of Pinochet himself as well 1299 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:32.000 as Admiral Marino Jose Todebo Merino Castro. They were the 1300 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:36.159 two most important figures in the junta. Pinochet was out front, 1301 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.880 but this was you know, ruled by a military committee basically, 1302 01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:48.600 and uh not, Marino was. Ah, it was kind of 1303 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:50.800 the brains of the junta. Like I mean, Penchet was 1304 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.479 a very intelligent man, as we'll see, but admirals tend 1305 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.760 to be like a cut above in terms of intellectual 1306 01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:07.680 capabilities and organizational skills and things. But they both, these 1307 01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.760 men kind of came to define. They were both like 1308 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:15.119 exemplars of the Chilean military culture after nineteen twenty or so, 1309 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:20.760 and they also were absolutely the most significant personages in 1310 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:26.520 the in the emergency government, both of them. Pinochet once 1311 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.960 into a journalist, he said he was like Saint Peter, 1312 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:33.079 like literally, you know, he said, I I God's elected us, 1313 01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:35.840 you know, us being the Chilean army to fulfilled missions 1314 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.039 and prepare the path, you know, and we're just preparing 1315 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.560 the path, you know, for for salvation, you know, of 1316 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.159 all of all of the entire church, you know, where 1317 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.039 we're literally like Christian warriors, you know, and Piniche believed 1318 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:52.920 that one hundred and ten percent. You know, he wasn't 1319 01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:56.359 just he wasn't just saying that to kind of you know, 1320 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:01.439 shore up his is his like image or something, you know. 1321 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:03.239 And even even if he'd wanted to like, that's not 1322 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.720 the way he'd go about it. I mean, even even 1323 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.920 then when there was you know, kind of a Catholic 1324 01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:12.039 moment owing to the only only a certain certain things 1325 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.840 related to the Cold War and in the situation in 1326 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:18.079 Northern Ireland and other stuff. But you know, the event 1327 01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:24.439 after World War Two, obviously people you know think about 1328 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.720 they you know, they they conceptualize, uh, these these Latin 1329 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:37.079 American states, you know, taking up with America in uh 1330 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:41.319 for you know, for out of strategic convenience as well 1331 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:42.720 as going to the you know kind of the kind 1332 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.840 of pentagons like outsized influence only to them on ro 1333 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.560 doctorate and other things, and just kind of like historical variables, 1334 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:54.119 you know, plus the fact that direct uh capital subsidies 1335 01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:56.399 were always coveted, you know by these countries. You know, 1336 01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:58.600 even though these states weren't ruined by World War Two, 1337 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:00.840 they were only gonna touch you know, there was they 1338 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:05.239 still they were still short on development and perpetually short 1339 01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:11.079 on capital. But there was something superficial about this on 1340 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:16.640 the side of UH, these states who were coveting American patronage, 1341 01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.680 like US military influence never really took in Latin America. 1342 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:32.680 You know, none of these countries like Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Panama, Honduras, 1343 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:38.640 El Salvador, all these all these states where you know 1344 01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.000 that America, all these states that basically America set up 1345 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.359 things like the School of the Americas to cultivate military 1346 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:46.680 and independence with like, US military influence never overwhelmed the 1347 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:50.159 kind of local traditions and professional soldiers there. You know, 1348 01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:54.960 there's there's a massive streak of anti communism, like throughout 1349 01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:58.319 you know, the professional military caste in Chile and Chile especially, 1350 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:03.279 but throughout Latin America, and this long preceded you know 1351 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.079 what we're talking about, like the efforts of you know, 1352 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.600 the American successive American regimes to kind of you know, 1353 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:14.319 cultivate this ongoing alliance structure with with with Latin American 1354 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:19.239 you know, like military type regimes it UH. 1355 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:21.319 And the. 1356 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.279 You know, the and even UH even in terms of 1357 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:31.680 professional development and things like all modern armies need to 1358 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.960 be habituated the technology and like comfortable with really you know, 1359 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:44.800 relatively high tech you know, weapons platforms and uh that 1360 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.399 very much like like a very like in Chile as 1361 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:56.159 well and elsewhere, very much uh like a technically competent 1362 01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:00.199 class within the army developed, but beyond that at the 1363 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.920 kind of like managerial and leadership style and like institutional 1364 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.640 culture of America like didn't really take there, you know, 1365 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.840 Like now, now why is that? It's interestingly in Chile 1366 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:14.560 there's a hugely disproportionate number of officers who came from 1367 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.039 immigrant backgrounds now against a Chile Those immigrants were German, 1368 01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:21.560 they were English, they were Italian, they were French, they 1369 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:26.560 were Syrian, they were Croatian. That's why when you look 1370 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:31.199 at like a roster of a of the Chilean officer corps, 1371 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:32.840 like first of all, it's a bunch of like white 1372 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.239 and kind of like Arab or like you know, Italian 1373 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.760 looking guys. And they've got like European surnames, you know, 1374 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.880 so you've you've quite literally got this kind of European 1375 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:47.199 and europe In europe adjacent officer corps in a country 1376 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.760 that's you know, frankly majority mixed race, you know, so 1377 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:54.479 it's you're talking about like literally like a culture within it, 1378 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.840 within a broader culture, you know, not just of an 1379 01:20:56.880 --> 01:21:00.399 institutional sort, but of you know, an actual you know, 1380 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.520 like like like ethnic type, you know, ethnic sword rather 1381 01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:09.800 like categorically like uh, there were two German speaking Lutherans 1382 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:13.640 on uh on uh in the junta. It was uh 1383 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:18.680 Fernando Matthai uh the Air Force commander, and Rodolpho Strange, 1384 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.000 who was the chief and National Police. I mean there 1385 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:25.880 you go, and uh, A lot of these immigrant families, 1386 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:29.520 if they weren't moneyed, you know, like they they encourage 1387 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:31.920 their sons to become military officers because that was really 1388 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:33.359 the way. That was the only way you can get 1389 01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:39.239 clout if you weren't part of the national majority, you know. 1390 01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:43.119 The Uh. Now, of course the Marxist view, which has 1391 01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:49.159 faded somewhat obviously it's the Cold War, but it's kind 1392 01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:51.840 of like this, it's kind of like this cockroach that 1393 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:57.359 won't die. It's just like emerges again and again and 1394 01:21:57.479 --> 01:21:59.359 and it doesn't help it. Like Howard is in, it 1395 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.439 kind of has like new life now in US academia, 1396 01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:07.239 but most scholars, even most military sociologists, they're tainted some 1397 01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:11.159 of this idea that like you know, look like South 1398 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.680 American soldiers like you know, from the officer corps on down, 1399 01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:17.600 you know, to the end level of n CEOs. They 1400 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.359 just represented there. They were basically like mercenaries who like 1401 01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.199 represent the interests of global capitalism, like backed up by 1402 01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.479 the Pentagon, you know. And they and they were like 1403 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.199 basically like the security force that technocrats and and uh 1404 01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:32.760 and and and you know in in factory owners you know, 1405 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:36.680 and you know they're they're they're raised on detro destroyed 1406 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.720 left wing politics, you know, and empower these technocrats who 1407 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.800 can facilitate, you know, the the assimilation of these countries 1408 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.520 like into the globalist structure. Like that doesn't really make 1409 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.800 any sense, okay, And like it doesn't in the case 1410 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.239 like a real lack of understanding of kind of human 1411 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.760 motivations and what attracts people to, you know, kind of 1412 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:58.279 the institutional trappings of like heritage and ritual and stuff. 1413 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.000 Like nobody a bunch of a bunch of salvad Orian 1414 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.880 National police types and a bunch of Chilean officers weren't 1415 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:08.359 just like pretending to be Catholic because they're like they 1416 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.079 were worried about their public image. You know, they weren't uh, 1417 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:14.000 they weren't goose stepping around the parade deck because they 1418 01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:16.439 thought that that would make people. They thought that they 1419 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.279 thought that that would like help their image. Okay, I mean, 1420 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:22.560 like it's it's not you know, plus the kind of 1421 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.520 stuff that you know, as we'll see, you know, guys 1422 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.439 like Pinochet. You know, these this was not a situation 1423 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.279 like with Zelenski, where uh you know, some sort of 1424 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:35.640 christ I mean, you couldn't really have a Zelensky situation 1425 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:37.680 in the Cold War. But my point is not it's 1426 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.640 not like it's not like Pinochet. It was like pocketing 1427 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:42.960 a bunch of money and him in his general as well, 1428 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.760 getting rich and picking up teenage mistresses and like ripping 1429 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:49.680 around in mercedes and in the streets of uh, you know, 1430 01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.880 Santiago or whatever. You know it. These guys lived almost 1431 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.199 on a nastic life, you know, like they they didn't 1432 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.600 they didn't live in pot but they you know, they 1433 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.920 did they didn't they didn't have means, they didn't have means, 1434 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:11.079 you know, like even uh like Pinochet prior to prior 1435 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.720 to the junta, and even he he basically like lived 1436 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.399 like a popper or it didn't really own anything, you know, 1437 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:22.399 something this idea that, this idea that you know, oh well, 1438 01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:24.159 all these all these kinds of weird I mean, not 1439 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.760 weird in a punitive way, but all these unusual let 1440 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:31.039 me let let's let's let's employ that the scriptor this 1441 01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:34.600 kind of like unusual features a Latin American military life, 1442 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:37.800 that somehow these were just like super structural trappings, you know, 1443 01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:39.439 that kind of like hid what amount to do a 1444 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:45.640 literally mercenary ethos like that's this is like nonsense. Now 1445 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:50.279 what uh what was we we? You know, we we 1446 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:54.640 got to the fact that America didn't really put a 1447 01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:58.680 lasting stamp on the on the Latin American military culture 1448 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.840 generally and specifically l and military life. But what did 1449 01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:09.800 well after the UH after the War the Pacific, you know, 1450 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:11.800 which we talked about a minute ago, which ended in 1451 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:18.159 eighteen eighty four, the president UH, the Mingo Santa Maria, 1452 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:22.439 he realized that the army need to modernize and reorganize 1453 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:24.359 itself in the model of a European army. They basically 1454 01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:27.760 out fought Peru and Bolivia, you know, but it uh, 1455 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.920 they you know, the world was changing, and he and 1456 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.399 the army was still low tech, like basically with carry 1457 01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:37.199 the day was again like a very game officer corps 1458 01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:41.800 you know, that was and cod event CIOs the rent 1459 01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:45.720 of missionary and tactics and frankly, you know, just a 1460 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:47.840 lot of a lot of a lot of men who 1461 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:51.840 are very tough and very hungry for prestige and uh 1462 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:57.279 and to serve the fatherland. But what uh what the 1463 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.279 what the Chileans decided on they fixed their sites Andermany, 1464 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.399 who they viewed as uh, you know, kind of like 1465 01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:09.119 the zenith of of of a military prowess, you know. 1466 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.439 And and then that's kind of when German cloud was 1467 01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:19.520 at its was added zenith. I would say, okay, the uh, 1468 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:22.560 the Chilean regime, it was it was already familiar with 1469 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.000 Germans as a people, like in the south of the country, 1470 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:31.399 basically the German colonization down there, like it it led 1471 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:36.560 to tremendous capital development, you know, and the uh, there's 1472 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:38.399 basically a sense of like, well, what can't these people 1473 01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:41.600 do you know, like it? Uh, we we want to 1474 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.199 cultivate interdependence with the Germans anyway, because you know, they're 1475 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.479 like we basically like we need these people. You know, 1476 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:49.760 it's like a shot in the arm of our the 1477 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:55.880 entire paradigm and national development. You know. The embassy in Berlin, 1478 01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:00.079 the Chilean embassy in Berlin was in the charge of 1479 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:05.279 a guy named Guermo Mata. He contacted the German military directly. 1480 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:09.960 He apparently had some kind of good rapport with Marshall 1481 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:13.800 von Molt, you know, who was uh like a heavy 1482 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:21.800 heavy personage and he uh, he was ultimately uh he 1483 01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.600 was ultimately put uh put in touch with the man 1484 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:32.239 named Emil Corner, who was an artillery captain Opprussian and 1485 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:37.439 he was stationed at the Artillery and Engineering School of Charlottenburg. 1486 01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:42.159 So basically he had a background minus the calorie experience 1487 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.840 like blacksjack person. You know, this is exact the kind 1488 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.960 of man you want, you know, if you're looking for, 1489 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:52.920 like a single man, you know, uh of a middle 1490 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:56.439 level officer rank to bring your forces up to par 1491 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:58.800 you know it. Uh, they really kind of struck gold 1492 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:02.319 with them. The guy was also like a big war hero, 1493 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:07.520 you know. He uh he signed on for a five 1494 01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:11.399 year work agreement with Chile AIDS and he basically the 1495 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:14.239 Chileans told him, like you know, basically they turn our 1496 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.600 forest into the Prussian Army. Okay, and after becoming a 1497 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:23.079 Chilean officer himself corner sort of the armies inspector general 1498 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:28.600 for a decade from until nineteen ten. Okay. So the 1499 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:32.239 army that the army that Pinochet joined joined in nineteen 1500 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:38.000 thirty three, Okay, suspicious year, right, And Uh, basically this 1501 01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:40.720 army had just been like restructured into kind of like 1502 01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:45.319 the Prussian Army of Latin America. Okay, it was a 1503 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:51.479 totally different institution then, Uh than that that that was, 1504 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:54.159 you know, people entered, you know, like a generation earlier. 1505 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:57.000 You know that like Pinichet's father, like you know, would 1506 01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:04.479 have would have encountered. Pinochet was born. Uh, he was 1507 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:08.359 born in November nineteenth, November twenty fifth, nineteen, nineteen fifteen. 1508 01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:14.600 He was the descendant of Breton immigrants and uh and Basques. 1509 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:19.600 His bass carritage was maternal. The family had been in 1510 01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:24.960 Chile since the seventeenth century. The Breton immigrants were recent. 1511 01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:28.920 But that's uh, that's a very interesting pedigree at least, 1512 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:33.760 I think. So Penichet always wanted to be a soldier. 1513 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:36.680 His great uncle was a veteran of the war in 1514 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:44.079 the Pacific, his uh you know, his his godfather told 1515 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:46.760 him about you know, uh serving in the French army 1516 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:51.920 in World War One. Eventually his father kind of like relented, 1517 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.520 even though he wanted him to study medicine, you know, 1518 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.319 and pursue a more kind of traditional path to the 1519 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.399 cloud because, like Pinochet, his family was well off. You know, 1520 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:05.239 they weren't. They weren't people who needed, you know, a 1521 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:12.079 military officer's son to enjoy upward mobility, and uh, what 1522 01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:16.279 was common, uh, what was common among his counterie of officers, 1523 01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:21.359 including you know, historians have taken the oral histories of 1524 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:24.159 these guys who came of age when pinishated it, and 1525 01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:26.000 there's actually a fair amount of like these in conflict 1526 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:33.359 literature on this. You know, I'm not not necessarily friendly variant, 1527 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.279 but it's it's pretty value neutral. But these guys, it 1528 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:37.960 wasn't just Pinish it. He wasn't just kind of like 1529 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:42.439 romantic dream or outlier like the officers of that generation. 1530 01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:46.079 Pretty much to a man, they talked about pious Catholicism 1531 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.680 and a childhood fascination with with like military heroes, you know, 1532 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:52.079 and like the discipline of you know these you know 1533 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:55.439 these uh, the you know, the these these officers who 1534 01:30:55.479 --> 01:30:57.720 were you know who in in like Prussian uniforms, you know, 1535 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.079 but like flawless like raide drill and things like that. 1536 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:05.079 You know, like this is basically like any like any 1537 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:08.279 kid of like European stock, like European or Arab or 1538 01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:11.920 like you know, adjacent stock in Chile, Like this is 1539 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.119 what he wanted to be, you know, like they can't 1540 01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:20.600 really be overstated. Like Robert O'Kelly, who's Pinechet's economics minister, 1541 01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.000 you know, and again, uh, you know, a guy of 1542 01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:28.640 European pedigree, his grandfather was a was a navy man 1543 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:32.960 and the word of the Pacific, like he said, like 1544 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:35.840 in his biography, it never is autobiography. It never It 1545 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.359 never occurred to me to be anything else than a sailor, Like, 1546 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:40.720 without a doubt, the navy is a vocation like the priesthood. 1547 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:43.159 Not everybody is called to be tied to the post. 1548 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.239 Like that's the way these guys looked at it again, 1549 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:48.600 you know, like where the where they where the vanguard 1550 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.119 of the fatherland and where you know, and we're and 1551 01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:53.600 we're you know where they we're the church militant. You know, 1552 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:59.880 that's that's a remarkably powerful combination of cultural identitarian variables. 1553 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:08.079 You know, the uh and there was ah the army 1554 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:15.000 uh in there a a uh even even when even 1555 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.399 when a military draft was implemented pursue it to the 1556 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.880 you know, twentieth century reforms like the way like army literature, 1557 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:25.920 like they're like recruiting literature at the time and kind 1558 01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:29.359 of like they're they're sort of you know, after these 1559 01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:32.279 like kind of like after action what amounts are kind 1560 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.079 of like these kind of like romantic novels of like 1561 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:37.800 The Daring do of of Officers and the Ward of 1562 01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:39.279 the Pacific. But it's kind of like dressed up as 1563 01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:42.039 like after action reports. Like it was like all like 1564 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:44.880 the theme that is like on the nose, like through 1565 01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:47.960 all this stuff is uh. You know that you know, 1566 01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:51.039 being a soldier is is it's it's it's different than 1567 01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:54.520 any other vocation because soldiers give their lives to the fatherland, 1568 01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.319 you know, like like a monk gives his life to 1569 01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:00.840 the church, you know, And it's it's not that that 1570 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:03.520 that's unique. It's uniquely Catholic. It's like you need, it's 1571 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:06.520 both uniquely Prussian and uniquely Catholic, which is you know, 1572 01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:10.439 a collision of ah of opposing tendencies. But you know 1573 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.359 that's uh that there's there's a syncreticism. There's a syncretism 1574 01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:21.239 there that's really interesting. But the uh there it also 1575 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:24.199 something and this was again like another Prussian tendency that 1576 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:28.800 was brought to bear. There's a really strong devotion to 1577 01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:36.239 continual study of warfare it uh. Pinochet said that, you know, 1578 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:38.880 he first started reading when he got to the military. 1579 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:43.159 His first reading assignment was The Rebellion of the mass 1580 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:44.720 it is or the Revolt of the Master it is 1581 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:46.760 by Jose Ortega. He guess it's and a lot of 1582 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.119 friends of ours will be familiar with it. And the 1583 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:53.479 Gallic War is by Caesar. After that he became this bibliophile. 1584 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:59.359 Pinochet when he died one to approximately fifty five thousand books, like, 1585 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.279 many of which were rare and one of a kind. 1586 01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.800 So he was a he was another like man of books. 1587 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:06.479 That makes me feel a bit better about my own 1588 01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:14.760 book coorting. Frankly, now here's get into kind of like 1589 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.279 the nitty gritty of what created this, you know, kind 1590 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:23.880 of irreparable divide between you know, civil society and the 1591 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.520 Chilean army. You know what it wasn't just the kind 1592 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.319 of factors we talked about a moment ago of an 1593 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:34.079 identitarian sort, but very very few military personnel actually voted 1594 01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:36.000 in elections in Chile, even though they were they were 1595 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:41.600 technically allowed to. It wasn't illegal, but it was considered unseemly. 1596 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:45.560 You know, Uh, soldiers aren't supposed to be political, and 1597 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:48.520 you know, not just because they're they're supposed to serve, 1598 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.399 you know, the fatherland first and foremost, and not not 1599 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:55.680 discreet you know, political factions or interests they're in, but 1600 01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:58.359 it's also like it's it's it's viewed. They viewed it 1601 01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.600 as like beneath them, you know, particularly consider the kind 1602 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:08.800 of elitist and and you know, uh monastic sort of 1603 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.279 a kind of like self concept these men had. And 1604 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:16.600 also the uh when the when the draft was uh, 1605 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:20.279 when when the conscript when the when the conscription regime 1606 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.960 was implemented, you know, uh, the like the new conscripts. 1607 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.279 I couldn't vote, you know, because they weren't they weren't, uh, 1608 01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:27.520 they weren't twenty one. 1609 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:33.000 What's interesting I saw an interview with Michael Flynn. I 1610 01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:36.439 think Patrick bed David was interviewing and Michael Flynn said 1611 01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:38.600 the same thing. He said when I was in I 1612 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:39.319 never voted. 1613 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.159 Yeah, yeah, no. And it's it's really dysfunctional. I mean, 1614 01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:45.359 I mean the US military is like it's like as 1615 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.279 awful as the rest of the fucking regime. But it's 1616 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.119 it's really, really, really dysfunctional. It's on its own face 1617 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.600 for you to have you know, any like when you're 1618 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:54.439 talking aout the officer corps of the enlicited ranks, did 1619 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:56.880 it you know, be like committed to some you know 1620 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.560 some like electoral position. Yeah, you know, it's some people 1621 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:02.199 can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. 1622 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.279 You know, you know what pre servers fook you for 1623 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:06.840 basing Like I I know what I'm talking about in 1624 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:09.520 this regard, Okay, I I Am not gonna argue the 1625 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:19.239 point because it's obvious. But the it considering, uh, considering 1626 01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:22.720 the size of that of Chile's electorate and the number 1627 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:28.439 of commission and noncommissioned officers and the forearmed services taken together, 1628 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:36.279 and this is both politically and statistically significant. Like military votes, 1629 01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.239 they're like if if if I'm listening to an authors 1630 01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:44.600 had voted in appreciable numbers, it may not have decided 1631 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.800 any any any and you know, any presidential context one 1632 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:54.000 or the other, but relatively but relatively small pluralities decided 1633 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.920 national elections regularly in Chile, and particularly in nineteen fifty 1634 01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:02.720 eight and nineteen seventy, where uh uh something like thirty 1635 01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:08.000 nine thousand votes, you know, like like we're what put 1636 01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:15.279 the winning candidate over you know, it's the uh and 1637 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:17.279 also too like it was it was, it was. It 1638 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:18.760 was against the law. It was a literally, it was 1639 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.520 literally a crime for you know that would have available 1640 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:25.279 to court martial to protest, you know. Uh. And that 1641 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:30.680 was a pretty that was a pretty widely that's pretty 1642 01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:34.680 that's pretty loosely interpreted. Okay, I mean anybody, you know, 1643 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.119 a man could be brought up on charges and have 1644 01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:39.760 failed to courts martial, you know, not just for joining 1645 01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:42.319 you know, some not just like throwing bricks in the 1646 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.680 street at you know, at at at capitalists or whatever, 1647 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:48.680 but just if you associated with the parties that were 1648 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:51.159 considered to be you know, having have a platform that 1649 01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.359 tended towards you know, trying to get this credit the 1650 01:37:54.359 --> 01:38:00.239 political process, you know, based on ideological commitments or you know, 1651 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:04.039 associating with parties who's you know, do his type of members, 1652 01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.800 you know, had said things that imped impugned the honor 1653 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:08.840 of the fatherland like this is this is not something 1654 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:11.199 they would have fucked with. Okay, like even even more 1655 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:12.600 they inclined and they weren't. 1656 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:15.279 And uh. 1657 01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:20.920 Pinochet to I mean starting a service, you know, quite 1658 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:26.279 literally in nineteen thirty three, there was even greater kind 1659 01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:31.119 of technical aptitude demanded by new officers, especially in the 1660 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:32.760 Navy and the Air Force, but I mean also in 1661 01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:36.000 the army, particularly as regards command and control, you know, 1662 01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:42.720 the UH so, as these officers became more world leagues, 1663 01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:45.520 they had to be like they'd send them they'd be 1664 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:50.359 sent to you know, they'd be sent to uh Africa, Asia, Europe, 1665 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:54.000 other places in Latin America, you know, to a NL 1666 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:57.319 liaison capacity and to like learn from other militaries and 1667 01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:00.239 like as these guys developed, you know, linguistic aptitudes, food 1668 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:02.640 for foreign languages. As they literally saw the rest of 1669 01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:05.079 the world, you know, they talked to you know, they 1670 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:08.199 they talked to Wehrmacht officers, you know, they talk to 1671 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.640 you know, French officers, they talk to guys you know, 1672 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:16.439 like serving uh in uh In, you know, in Mexico 1673 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:19.279 close to the American border or whatever. Like, they developed 1674 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:22.479 a worldly perspective and they came to understand you know, 1675 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.159 as time went on, they you know, they came to 1676 01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:28.840 they came to understand the Cold War, you know, and 1677 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.039 they developed an idea of like where Chile featured into that, 1678 01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:34.640 you know, by the Pinochet era. Like It's what I'm 1679 01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:35.880 getting is that these weren't just like a bunch of 1680 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:38.000 provincial roots or something, or like we're trying to turn 1681 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:40.479 back the clock or whatever. And they weren't just you know, 1682 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:44.039 mercenaries for hire in the service of you know, basically 1683 01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:47.359 acting like acting like you know, like like like Pinkertons 1684 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:50.920 on steroids, you know, beat down or calc Trent like 1685 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.359 waver types. You know. They they developed an understanding of 1686 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:58.600 like velt politique and where Latin America featured into that equation, 1687 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:05.800 you know. And this brings us to what was insidious 1688 01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:11.600 about Alende. Okay, Sauter LNDE in the nineteen sixties was 1689 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:16.880 a very busy boy. Okay. His schedule took him in 1690 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:23.880 North Korea, North Vietnam, in East Germany. Allende believed that 1691 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:28.159 the DDR was his best bet in terms of identifying 1692 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:35.560 a patron the which is very interesting. And the DDR 1693 01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.039 it wasn't just the spear point of Warsaw pack like 1694 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:41.079 the National volks Army wasn't just a spear point of 1695 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:43.920 warsaw pact. And not only was East Germany kind of 1696 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:48.760 like the crown jewel of like the Stalinist satellite states, 1697 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:52.960 East Germany practiced the kind of world politique in a 1698 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.079 way that the Cubans did, but like a little bit 1699 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:59.239 more sophisticated. Even like there's East Germans and Angola, there 1700 01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:02.560 was East Germans Yemen which became South Yemen. There's these 1701 01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:07.039 Germans uh in Ethiopia, Eritrea. There's East Germans on Grenada 1702 01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:13.000 when you know, the US Army assaulted Grenado in eighty 1703 01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:17.600 three for a for what I'm want to do, a 1704 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:23.439 rump state of twenty million people and a regime that 1705 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:28.000 was constantly uh dealing with an existential threat on its 1706 01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:32.000 inner border. Like literally like these guys were remarkably active 1707 01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:35.479 in uh In, in waging the Cold War and in 1708 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:38.760 a in like a direct action capacity, you know, the same, 1709 01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:41.239 nothing like the bottom Minehoff Gang to say nothing of 1710 01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:45.600 you know, uh them bank rolling and training the popular 1711 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:49.199 front of Libers in Palestine, like it's remarkable, but Allende 1712 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:54.239 knew this. Okay, in East Berlin, Aline met with the 1713 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:58.800 party secretary general and the facto you know, head of 1714 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:05.680 state to Ubrict who preceded Honiker from forty nine to 1715 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:08.800 seventy one. Ubrict was General Secretary and then he was 1716 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:13.199 under cremoniously sideline and favor of Honiker from nineteen seventy 1717 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:17.119 one until the end. But uh he uh ubricked uh 1718 01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:20.359 put him in direct contact with Hermann Akson, who was 1719 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:23.119 who was uh the Central Committee secretary for an natural 1720 01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:26.720 relation is the equivalent to the foreign minister. Okay, action's 1721 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:31.920 assignment for the duration of his tenure, particularly in the 1722 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:36.000 sixties and seventies, he was the function as a liaison 1723 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.960 with communist parties throughout the world, you know, and and 1724 01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:42.239 basically the this this is the stuff that smacks of, 1725 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:45.279 you know, like the old days the Communist International, you know, 1726 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:49.199 which uh with Stalin you know, put an end to 1727 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:52.479 by Dick Todd and and turned into common form. But 1728 01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:56.800 it's but but it goes to show you how uh 1729 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:00.520 how these this these things never really went away. You know, 1730 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:05.359 they developed a certain operational sophistication and and kind of 1731 01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:07.760 institutionalization and and and kind of and kind of a 1732 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:13.920 streamline operational set of operational tendencies. But you know, they 1733 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:18.479 they remained the same beast of prey, but with different 1734 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:27.760 slightly different stripes. It uh as it were. But whether 1735 01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:31.279 lend they met with the Stazi directly and Eric Milk, 1736 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:35.560 it's not known, but I imagine he would have. Okay, 1737 01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:40.479 Eric Milk was uh, he was in direct content with 1738 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:50.640 Daniel Ortega, with uh, with Kadafi, with Minjitsu, with uh, 1739 01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:55.600 you know, all these all these uh, all these proxy 1740 01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:02.600 all these proxy elements that the Warsaw Pact was was uh, 1741 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:08.119 you know, directly supporting and Shtazi men. Uh. Their role 1742 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:12.119 was not just as uh you know, policeman and as 1743 01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:17.039 espionage espionage agents. They had a role that we considered 1744 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.680 it more kind of the more suggestive of special operations command. 1745 01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:30.479 It's complicated, but uh, the the East Berlin basically treated 1746 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:36.239 accents recommendations like they came from on high. Okay, he 1747 01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:39.319 was that good. I think of this kind of like 1748 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:40.920 a I think kind of I think of this kind 1749 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:43.920 of it's kind of like a a red crowd version 1750 01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:46.560 of George Kennon like legit, I mean, I have, like 1751 01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:50.239 all respect, A lot of these d d R functionaries 1752 01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:53.359 are damn impressive, definitely the best that the worst up 1753 01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:58.359 pack produced. Of course, what A Linda was doing didn't 1754 01:44:58.399 --> 01:45:04.640 go unnoticed. C I a Defense Intelligence CIA at that time. 1755 01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:10.560 It was losing what remaining cloud it had, but it 1756 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:14.000 was still uh, it was still primarily like the eyes 1757 01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:20.239 and ears of of American intelligence behind the East blot, 1758 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:25.399 behind the Berlin Wall, you know, so CI they took 1759 01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:29.720 notes immediately when Allende was started popping up in East Berlin. 1760 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:38.960 Uh Nixon, Uh Nixon, Uh, said the Kissinger. He's like, look, 1761 01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:42.079 you know, this Alandi's not he's not some he's not 1762 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:45.760 some simple farmer or some storry eyed you know, uh 1763 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.560 just uh, you know, self styled. Uh. You know, a 1764 01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:53.399 grarian revolutionary like this guy is serious, you know, and 1765 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.479 he's he's not what you know American liberals are presenting 1766 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.279 him as. And he's not benign. You know. Kids in 1767 01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:02.800 Jerre obviously agreed. I mean, I you know, it's uh. 1768 01:46:04.680 --> 01:46:09.039 The uh also is the fact chill the Chilean the 1769 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:13.039 Chilean Communist Party was uh. It was by far the 1770 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:16.479 largest and best organized in South America. Okay, And that's 1771 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:18.880 one of the things. That's one of the things that 1772 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.000 made it appealing to the d d R. And also 1773 01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:22.920 we were talking about the Germans and the wonderful things 1774 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:24.920 they did for Chile. Well, some of those Germans were 1775 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:30.840 unfortunately communists, and they you know, we're building up political 1776 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:35.439 architecture on the other side, you know, and this was, uh, 1777 01:46:36.479 --> 01:46:41.680 this is very much a problem it uh. I mean 1778 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:45.199 from a geopolitical view, I mean, think about that, like 1779 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:48.520 the cone of Latin America just becoming communists, you know, 1780 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:52.800 or uh, all of Latin America falling and maybe Brazil 1781 01:46:53.399 --> 01:47:00.800 remaining kind of in this garrison siege capacity. I mean 1782 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:03.319 that that changes everything, you know. And like I've always said, 1783 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:07.359 like I'm always saying, it didn't matter that these Marsis 1784 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:11.319 Lens regimes are totally dysfunctional and created a created economies 1785 01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:15.039 of shortage. There's all kinds of governments that don't really work. 1786 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:21.119 Right that that Shambalaine perpetuity, It was very possible. It 1787 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.600 was not at all the stuff of kind of like 1788 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:29.640 fever dream nightmare fantasies to imagine a world where post 1789 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:33.239 aton like the entire the entire like developing world or 1790 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:37.039 colored world goes red like kind of the remaining uh 1791 01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:41.880 like American friendly regimes outside of UH, Northern Europe and Japan, 1792 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:44.680 you know, just like eventually just kind of like succumb 1793 01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:47.239 and fall and America becomes kind of just like this 1794 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.479 say Garrison state, like surrounded by like a hostile communist 1795 01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:54.079 world like that very easily could have come about, okay, 1796 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:58.520 and that that would be a very dangerous planet. You know, 1797 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:01.880 we get argue at some or we can discuss at 1798 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:05.119 some point whether that's preferable or not to the current situation. 1799 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:11.760 But it that's Monday morning quarterbacking in the epoch of 1800 01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:16.800 you know, say nineteen seventy three, you know, seventy four 1801 01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:21.319 to seventy five, this was absolutely a very real possibility. Okay. 1802 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:30.039 Now the minute, the minute, the moment A. Lindy was 1803 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:33.880 elected President Chile, UH, the East German regime like through 1804 01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:38.439 Stazi support behind him. Okay, within a couple of weeks, 1805 01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:44.159 it doesn't like COVID operations. The grilla warfare specialists who 1806 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:47.199 were from the Stazi, they were dispatched at santiagoa nder 1807 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:53.079 diplomatic cover. They were joined by other East Bloc UH 1808 01:48:53.319 --> 01:49:00.560 special operations capable elements, including from Czechoslovakia and and and 1809 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:04.800 then the Soviet Union itself and all probability. They set 1810 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:09.560 up a camp near Valparaiso. Uh. The Soviets furnished weapons, 1811 01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:13.800 prefabricated huts. They like they literally just set up this 1812 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:16.439 kind of like gorilla warfare school, like bam, you know, 1813 01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:19.000 like it's like, uh, it's like if you buy like 1814 01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.760 a McDonald's franchise. It's like you buy like a you buy, 1815 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:24.319 you buy like a revolutionary communist franchise from Ivan, and 1816 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:26.079 they show up and it's just like bam, you know, 1817 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.960 here's here's like your franchise literature. Here's a buy klashn 1818 01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:33.520 coughs you. Here's something like snazzy freaking uh you know, 1819 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:37.600 uh uniforms, and you know, and here here's some you know, 1820 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.359 like here's something like enameled like red star pins for 1821 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:43.000 your freaking cap and like you're good to go, you know, 1822 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.880 like go go go, go go kill capitalists. But the 1823 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:54.520 uh and Milk actually wrote he he Milk, it would 1824 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.439 uh he'd set out these what amounts to enter off 1825 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:02.760 his memos to every directorate of Stasi periodically and on 1826 01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:15.279 December eighteenth, nineteen seventy two, he said, uh, you know 1827 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:19.119 the checks the d DR well will welcome with enthusiasm 1828 01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:21.920 and happiness the great victory of the National Celerity movement 1829 01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:24.399 for obtaining the freedom of the Secondary General or the 1830 01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:28.359 Communist Party. Our friend and comrade Lewis Krvellon, like Corvellon, 1831 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.039 was some guy who'd been like in prison in Chile. 1832 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:33.319 I can't remember exactly what the and Milk would call. 1833 01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:38.079 He called UH Ministry for State Security Officers like checkis, 1834 01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.119 you know, because there was a callback to his days 1835 01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:47.600 as ah as an NKVD hitter, you know, during during 1836 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:53.439 the war in Spain and later the UH later UH 1837 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.159 the Second World War. But my point is like he 1838 01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.319 was attuned like like Chile was very much like a 1839 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:03.039 key like theater in his mind. Okay, That's why he was. 1840 01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:07.399 That's why he was UH like braying about you know 1841 01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.560 these these uh these kind of like like like little 1842 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:13.399 chess moves in Chile, like in Blu of other theaters. 1843 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:20.720 The the Stazi set set to work UH in Chile, 1844 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:29.880 UH targeting uh, you know, target tareting Pinochet loyalists and 1845 01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:34.439 what have you. You know, Essentially essentially creating like a 1846 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.520 mirror of you know, in security terms, you know, like 1847 01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:40.960 this wasn't this wasn't really above board yet it wasn't 1848 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.960 Allende wasn't in the driver's seat long enough for Santiago 1849 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:50.920 to become you know, like a giant, a giant version 1850 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:53.880 of of of East Berlin. But I think I mentioned 1851 01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:55.640 to you can't remember we were on here or not. 1852 01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:58.840 But like Ali North mentioned that when he was uh 1853 01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:02.840 when he traveled do uh, when he traveled in Nicaragua 1854 01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:07.279 in nineteen eighty three or eighty four, like when when 1855 01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:10.439 he himself was under diplomatic cover, like he relaid back 1856 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:13.000 by like telex that you know, like Monagua now is 1857 01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:15.680 like it's like this like a scale model of of 1858 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:19.880 Checkpoint Charlie on the inner German border, you know, and 1859 01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:29.239 it now what what happened during Pinochet's rain or like 1860 01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:35.560 the junta's reign, Chile had deteriorated into what something comparable 1861 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:41.399 to the years of lead in Italy. Okay, there's a 1862 01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:48.399 leftist urban guerrilla terror groups. They began uh a campaign 1863 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:51.960 of bombings, assassinations, you know, exactly the kind of bread 1864 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.000 and butter stuff that the Shtasi taught people to do. 1865 01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:58.039 You know, there was a that there's bombs exploding in Santiago, 1866 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:02.239 in Vienna, Del mar In, uh, in all the major 1867 01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:07.159 you know kind of commercial hubs and larger towns at Chile. 1868 01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:09.720 You know, they were they were, they were, they were, 1869 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:13.119 they were targeting supermarkets, buses, government offices, you know, like 1870 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:16.079 shopping centers, you know, just like indiscriminately, like blowing people 1871 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:22.079 to hell. You know, this really ramped up in Earnest 1872 01:53:22.399 --> 01:53:26.520 by the eighties, which is interesting. Between nine eighty three 1873 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:28.840 and nineteen eighty six, there's more than a thousand bombings 1874 01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:35.239 attributed to the Clandestine Communist Front and uh, this grouping 1875 01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:37.640 that called itself the Revolutionary Movement, which is probably an 1876 01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:41.880 umbrella of it was probably like a like numerous like 1877 01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:44.800 nonstate actors like under this kind of like rubric, you know, 1878 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:50.840 but because it may like they uh they uh. A 1879 01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:55.960 total of twenty one national police and military casualties were 1880 01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:02.399 attributed to them in just four years nineteen eighty four 1881 01:54:02.479 --> 01:54:07.520 nineteen eighty eight. East Germany contributed six million, seven or 1882 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:11.399 ninety five thousand and fifteen dollars to the Chilean Communist Party. 1883 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:16.039 That's a huge sum for forty years ago, and this 1884 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:19.279 is East Germany doing it. So they're basically just like 1885 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:21.880 they're they're they're throwing everything in their cash or there 1886 01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:28.039 is basically that they've availed for, you know, foreign operations 1887 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:32.760 of a military sort. They're they're just like throwing this 1888 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.279 into the at their proxies in Chile. You know, I 1889 01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:37.880 mean this was a this is a this is a 1890 01:54:38.039 --> 01:54:45.960 highly valued battle theater. Okay, the UH the most serious 1891 01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:52.279 incident I guess of a in terms of potential harm 1892 01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:56.880 and the most kind of spectacular not not not let 1893 01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:59.439 like literally spectacular in terms of the spectacle that I created, 1894 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:03.239 not spectation like it's wonderful. Uh So there seven nineteen 1895 01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:09.920 eighty six UH gorillas ambushed Pinochet's motorcade near Santiago pener 1896 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.399 State survived, He didn't, he didn't take any an he led, 1897 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:17.479 but UH five members of his escort were killed, ten 1898 01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:22.359 people were wounded. The UH it was basically like a 1899 01:55:22.640 --> 01:55:28.680 comic casing of attack. Twelve gunmen from UH calling themselves 1900 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:32.680 the Manuel where at Riga's Revolutionary Front, UH like simply 1901 01:55:32.680 --> 01:55:39.239 assaulted with with automatic weapons and grenades. There was a 1902 01:55:40.439 --> 01:55:42.479 there was never a trial. The government ever announced in 1903 01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:45.760 the arrest. Presumably these men, those that were not killed 1904 01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:47.960 at the scene were running down and and and and 1905 01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:55.600 and and done away with. Eventually, Uh, there were some 1906 01:55:56.239 --> 01:56:07.119 including UH Cludon Buro Amiida, you know, who UH broke 1907 01:56:07.199 --> 01:56:12.319 with the communists completely owing to UH what he claimed 1908 01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:15.920 was discussed with, you know, the repressive nature of the 1909 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:20.800 East German government, which he stated, and I'm sure he 1910 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:23.119 I think he probably believed this, you know, He's like, 1911 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.479 I came to realize that if if you know what 1912 01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:28.760 was then my side one, you know, we we end 1913 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.960 up no better than the East Germans and what have you. 1914 01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:33.960 And he broke with. 1915 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:36.840 Communism and he made he managed to convince everybody, including 1916 01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:41.520 Pinochet's people, that he uh that this was like a 1917 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:44.479 genuine conversion, and he went on he went on to 1918 01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:49.920 in post Chile to be a like a heavy personage, 1919 01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:57.279 but that he actually uh his he was posted as 1920 01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:00.640 UH as an ambassador in Moscow. I don't know if 1921 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.439 it was like like like who's in humor or what, 1922 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:07.119 but the it uh, you know, and the and the 1923 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:11.520 list goes on and on of uh these you know, 1924 01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:16.960 communist attacks. UH, even after Pinechet stepped down, you know, 1925 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:21.039 these these kinds of attacks continued. There's one, I mean 1926 01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:23.680 not in the same kind of earnest but uh, some 1927 01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:27.159 of these revolutionary types they they there's like this crazy 1928 01:57:27.199 --> 01:57:31.840 in nineteen ninety six, the sem ninety six they escaped, uh, 1929 01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:34.880 they escaped from the yard of the of this of 1930 01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:37.399 this political prison they were held in, like with the 1931 01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:40.760 help of these of these these orovisinal Ira operatives, like 1932 01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:43.119 just like a helicopter like pulled them off the yard, 1933 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:46.119 just like you know, stuff like you'd see in some 1934 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:50.520 fucking like John Wick or Jason Boorde movie or something. 1935 01:57:50.640 --> 01:57:55.000 But the you know, the and you know, not not 1936 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:58.359 for nothing either, like uh, I mean maybe maybe people 1937 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:03.920 don't know this. Like Honaker uh Eric Honecker was buried. 1938 01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:06.680 He was buried in Chile like after he died and 1939 01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:09.720 they laid the d DR flag on his coffin and everything, 1940 01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.119 you know, like it's this was like this idea that 1941 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.399 you know, the Ollendia regime, they were just these like 1942 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:18.159 kind of like social democrats you know who you know, 1943 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:20.520 just wanted to you know, kind of like give an 1944 01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:23.439 alternative system a chance, and these fascists, you know, just 1945 01:58:24.359 --> 01:58:27.039 just just destroyed that potentiality. You know. I mean it 1946 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:29.439 was it was real war, Okay. I mean, there's no 1947 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:32.880 choice about it. And if people want to, I'm sure 1948 01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:37.479 very nasty things happened to people who were suspected of 1949 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:41.079 being communists or Communist sympathizers. But I mean what people want, 1950 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:43.079 like war is a terrible thing, you know, and you 1951 01:58:43.159 --> 01:58:45.600 can't you can't only tell one side of these stories, 1952 01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:47.640 you know. I mean, I know the Shtazi was doing 1953 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:50.840 pretty nasty things to people at the same time, and uh, 1954 01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:53.600 the Stazi were agents of a foreign government who were 1955 01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:58.520 trying to, you know, determine the political fate of a 1956 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:03.159 of a sovereign country. So that's that's about all I 1957 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:05.439 got for today. We can deep dive more into I mean, 1958 01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:07.920 there's a lie here, and frankly, I mean we can 1959 01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:10.239 we can deep dive more into, like the personage of 1960 01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:14.720 Pinichet if you want, when I get back from my trip, 1961 01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.960 but that you know, I kind of want to give 1962 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:20.359 an overview of a situation as it were, as it 1963 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:25.560 was you know, politically and u strategically and culturally and 1964 01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:29.760 everything else. I hope I've accomplished that. Well. 1965 01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:32.520 One of the things that people bring up now because 1966 01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:37.640 of a Netflix mini series called a Sinister Sect. There 1967 01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:42.720 was a German colony called the Colonia Dignidad that is 1968 01:59:42.920 --> 01:59:47.000 accused of doing all sorts of like acts of torture. 1969 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:51.000 People now say p and O Chein knows that there 1970 01:59:51.079 --> 01:59:55.960 were active child molesters operating in the country and he 1971 01:59:56.039 --> 01:59:59.399 would protect them everything. I mean, I hear people I 1972 01:59:59.680 --> 02:00:03.640 know saying these kind of things, and when you start 1973 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:06.520 deep diving into it, it's like, yeah, I mean, the 1974 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:10.239 guy was at war the whole time he was in office, 1975 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:13.000 and you know, to say that he was aware of 1976 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:15.560 all these things, and you know he just allowed him 1977 02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:16.319 to happen. 1978 02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:19.039 But it's like, why would that even It's like every 1979 02:00:19.600 --> 02:00:22.720 the story always changed. I remember I remember when I 1980 02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:26.840 was in college and this guy was going around and 1981 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:28.880 he wrote a couple of books. He was some journal 1982 02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:33.640 He was claiming that at the soccer stadium Pinochet's loyalists, 1983 02:00:34.479 --> 02:00:38.399 they'd they'd sit around watching people be beheaded and cheer it, 1984 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:42.000 and they'd tie women down and train dogs to rape them, 1985 02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:44.840 and they'd watch it for entertainment in this soccer stadium. 1986 02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:47.000 I mean, that's like gross for all kinds of reasons, 1987 02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:49.560 but that that's that's so like fucking weird. This is 1988 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:52.520 like not shit that happens, you know, It's like why 1989 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:55.199 And I was like who who, Like like what's the 1990 02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:58.000 source for this? Like guys who were watching this like 1991 02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:02.800 came back and told you, like what, Like I it's 1992 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:06.359 always like something sexually perverted and just like really really 1993 02:01:06.479 --> 02:01:10.479 really gross and just like outlandish, like it's you know, 1994 02:01:11.359 --> 02:01:15.239 the like for some reason, Pinochet has kind of become 1995 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:19.800 this like fixation of theirs, you know, like uh, like 1996 02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:23.800 it's really weird. You know, it's like why why not? Uh? 1997 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:28.600 Why not Sellizar Like why not Straws Nerd Like why not? Uh? 1998 02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:33.560 Prone like why why Pinochet? Like you know, Pinochet was 1999 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:35.479 kind of like what you see is what you get, 2000 02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:38.640 you know, like he was, uh, you know, he's very 2001 02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:41.439 much like I mean, he was very much a like 2002 02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:44.600 we talked about. He was very much like a military 2003 02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:47.039 officer with a kind of Prussian mold who was also 2004 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:50.600 like a very very very like pious kind of warrior catholic. 2005 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:57.159 I mean that's there's not I mean there's not that 2006 02:01:57.239 --> 02:01:59.119 there's there's not really a lot there. I mean there's 2007 02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:00.680 a lot there, but I'm i mean, you know what 2008 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:03.399 not not in terms of you know, these these kinds 2009 02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:05.880 of like deep dark and dirty secrets. Plus it's also 2010 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:08.840 too like the kind of there's a beenality the kind 2011 02:02:08.880 --> 02:02:11.279 of horrible stuff that goes on at war. It's not 2012 02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:15.840 like exotic weird stuff like there's this like neo Nazi 2013 02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:19.600 colony of child molesters who were like experimenting with people's 2014 02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:23.520 DNA and like a soccer stadium where guys like practice 2015 02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:27.600 beast reality. But it's not that's that's something from like 2016 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.359 the Warped Mind to somebody who like watches too much 2017 02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:34.720 Hentai or something, you know, like I this it really is, 2018 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:39.239 you know, it's like but it's like for years, you know, 2019 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:43.039 people tell me that that Earnest, like that Nazis they'd 2020 02:02:43.119 --> 02:02:45.960 like take people's skin off and if they had tattoos, 2021 02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:48.479 they'd make it into lamp shades and like show their friends. 2022 02:02:48.920 --> 02:02:51.000 So it's like why would anybody do that? So you're 2023 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:53.159 basically saying that like the Germans are like a bunch 2024 02:02:53.199 --> 02:02:56.439 of Jeffrey Dahmers, Like like why why would they even 2025 02:02:56.439 --> 02:03:00.359 occur to anybody? You know, Like uh, beyond the fact 2026 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:02.920 that it's like okay, like where you're getting this information 2027 02:03:03.119 --> 02:03:05.680 and like who's like telling this to people? Like, oh, hey, 2028 02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:07.640 you know what I did today? Like I I like 2029 02:03:07.880 --> 02:03:09.960 I found out with these childlisting Germans and then like 2030 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:11.920 one of the stadium where like this chip got like 2031 02:03:12.079 --> 02:03:14.479 raped by dogs. It was awesome. I mean like like 2032 02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:17.199 where where's this coming from? Like who's just closing these things? 2033 02:03:18.960 --> 02:03:24.000 But yeah, yeah, well hit up some plugs and we'll 2034 02:03:24.079 --> 02:03:24.720 let on this. 2035 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:31.159 For sure. Uh, you can find me at real Thomas 2036 02:03:31.319 --> 02:03:34.640 seven seven seven that substack dot com. 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That is uh, that is like a. 2054 02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:44.640 Well, I appreciate it, and I'm sure I echo everyone 2055 02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:47.079 else when I say this, safe travels. 2056 02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:49.960 Yeah, thank you, Pete. I will see everybody in a 2057 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:50.439 few days. 2058 02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:56.000 Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the 2059 02:04:56.079 --> 02:04:59.840 Pekanana Show. Thomas returns. How are you doing, Thomas? 2060 02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:01.079 I'm doing well, Thank you. 2061 02:05:01.840 --> 02:05:04.960 All right, this is long awaited. Last time we did 2062 02:05:05.000 --> 02:05:08.079 a stream together, people asked, you know, we're asking about 2063 02:05:08.119 --> 02:05:11.600 books and things like that. So my idea was I 2064 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:14.079 told you before, right before you started recording, was like 2065 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:19.239 books that every partisan should read and should be familiar with, 2066 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:21.960 So jump right in whenever you're ready. 2067 02:05:23.399 --> 02:05:28.479 Yeah, I was. I always include the caveat, and I 2068 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:31.079 think people I guess I come off as like annoyed 2069 02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:35.000 where people perceive it that way because people are constantly 2070 02:05:35.039 --> 02:05:41.079 asking me like I'll oh, I'll drop like a postu. 2071 02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:43.960 What about something you know, like on the Spanish Civil 2072 02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:48.720 War or about you know, the Third Reich or about 2073 02:05:48.720 --> 02:05:51.199 the War twin the States, and they'll be like, what's 2074 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:53.520 a book recommendation on that? But what they mean is, 2075 02:05:53.720 --> 02:05:55.359 you know, like where can I find some sort of 2076 02:05:55.399 --> 02:05:59.039 concise cliffs notes version of you know, like the revisionist 2077 02:05:59.079 --> 02:06:01.840 perspective with World War two or something like that doesn't exist? 2078 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:06.279 You know, some constantly how to admonish people like look 2079 02:06:06.359 --> 02:06:08.880 like not everything is in a book. There's not. There's 2080 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:10.760 not like the Big Book of World War two? And 2081 02:06:10.880 --> 02:06:13.920 why why court narratives are wrong or there's not you know, 2082 02:06:14.319 --> 02:06:16.680 why the why the wardsman the States like wasn't about 2083 02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.279 like people being mean to black people? You know, like 2084 02:06:19.359 --> 02:06:22.680 it's there's not You're not going to find that. However, 2085 02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:28.920 there are there are seminal texts that you kind of 2086 02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:32.600 have to have more than a rudimentary familiarity with to 2087 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:36.359 be considered an educated person. And like what books are 2088 02:06:36.520 --> 02:06:38.680 used for is you know, books are a tool a 2089 02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:41.640 I mean not only for you know, not only their 2090 02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:45.199 record of you know, raw data and you know, like 2091 02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:49.079 literally historical record, but it's also I mean to use 2092 02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:53.760 them as conceptual tools to you know, to help identify 2093 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:59.399 variables and phenomenon you know that that shape you know 2094 02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:01.960 that can sexual horizon on an that box, you know, 2095 02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:06.359 for example, where that identify you know, variables that you 2096 02:07:06.439 --> 02:07:13.159 know constitute as a causal nexus, you know, the reasons 2097 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:17.079 for you know, historical events, you know, be them like 2098 02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:23.119 seminole or like rather prosaic. So you know, I I 2099 02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:25.479 want to include a caveat here too, Like I'm not 2100 02:07:25.560 --> 02:07:28.159 dropping a list of This isn't some like top ten 2101 02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:30.760 list where you know, like the answers to all of 2102 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:34.479 your questions about what's wrong with the way historical questions 2103 02:07:34.479 --> 02:07:36.760 are presented or like found within these pages. That's not 2104 02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:43.159 how it works, you know. But at the same time, again, 2105 02:07:43.319 --> 02:07:48.319 I I think for anyone to have any kind of meaning, 2106 02:07:48.479 --> 02:07:50.920 for anyone to be able to call themselves educated on 2107 02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:56.159 political or historical affairs, like on the theoretical side, you know, 2108 02:07:56.239 --> 02:08:00.359 they they have to be acquainted with these things. First 2109 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:06.279 and foremost, You've got to read Aristotle's politics. Not just 2110 02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:12.800 all political philosophy in the Western world derives from Aristotle. 2111 02:08:12.960 --> 02:08:18.359 That's inarguable. Okay, the relationship between Plato and Aristotle and 2112 02:08:18.439 --> 02:08:20.439 the kind of tension they're in and to what degree, 2113 02:08:21.239 --> 02:08:24.239 like Aristotle is a repudiation of Plato that's another question, 2114 02:08:24.319 --> 02:08:27.039 and that deals mostly with metaphysics and things, Okay, And 2115 02:08:27.159 --> 02:08:30.000 yet you can't extricate metaphysics from politics in some sort 2116 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:32.640 of discreet way. But the point is, like, that's not, 2117 02:08:33.239 --> 02:08:35.720 that's not what I'm up on for purpose of purposes 2118 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.359 of of why I'm of of what I'm suggesting here, 2119 02:08:38.840 --> 02:08:40.800 Like what I'm suggesting is that you know, if you're 2120 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:44.520 talking about if you're talking about the Western tradition of 2121 02:08:44.560 --> 02:08:49.520 political philosophy, you're you're you're beginning with Aristotle, Okay. And 2122 02:08:49.680 --> 02:08:52.399 even even even even those who aim to break with 2123 02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:56.439 aimed to break with Aristotle to greater or lesser degree, 2124 02:08:56.760 --> 02:08:59.640 like they were in dialogue with them and relying on 2125 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:04.079 the pre Socratics and things. Okay, So the politics and 2126 02:09:04.239 --> 02:09:06.319 uh Nica machy and epics have got to be on 2127 02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:10.279 your list. And in order to put those things in context, 2128 02:09:10.319 --> 02:09:16.159 there are secondary sources. You know, Leo Strauss and a 2129 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:19.279 guy named Joseph Propsy. There's this book called The History 2130 02:09:19.319 --> 02:09:22.600 of Political Philosophy, which is an outstanding book. And it's 2131 02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:24.680 not it's not it's not full of like STREUSSI and 2132 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:26.399 bullshit or anything like that. It's like very much like 2133 02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:29.000 a hard and fast. So that condensed version, I mean 2134 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:31.960 it's it's a hugely voluminous book, but it's got a 2135 02:09:32.039 --> 02:09:38.920 section basically, Uh it becomes like Xeno is Zeno, like uh, 2136 02:09:40.319 --> 02:09:45.800 Zeno and Heraclitis and ends with you know, Heidegger and 2137 02:09:45.880 --> 02:09:52.199 a and I think, uh, I can't remember who the 2138 02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:54.000 final entry is, but it goes it ends in the 2139 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:59.960 mid twentieth century. But uh, that's that that I guess 2140 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:05.000 there is like a great like secondary resource and you know, 2141 02:10:05.159 --> 02:10:10.600 the if you want, if you want, but Aristotle, I 2142 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:18.399 think any any translation that's worth anything has got is 2143 02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:22.319 you know, he's got a complete annotation such that you know, 2144 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:24.119 you should be able to you know, kind of get 2145 02:10:24.199 --> 02:10:29.279 by with without you know, having to move mountains to 2146 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:34.199 you know, put things in context. By the way, secondary sources. 2147 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:41.359 If your modern political theory is the progenity of Hobbs, 2148 02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:46.880 you've got to read Leviathan. Okay. I think a Leviathan. 2149 02:10:47.279 --> 02:10:49.720 Leviathan is the political philosophy kind of like Moby Dick. 2150 02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:54.640 It's a literature. It's like this daunting, voluminous, incredibly worthy 2151 02:10:57.439 --> 02:11:01.239 toma okay, like, but it's there's nothing in it that's 2152 02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.520 wasted or there's nothing in it. There's not there's nothing 2153 02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:15.640 in it that's that's superfluous. There's Hobbs is uh. Hobbs 2154 02:11:15.720 --> 02:11:17.760 is fascinating because on the one hand, you know, like 2155 02:11:17.840 --> 02:11:21.039 I think of I think of I think Carl Schmid's 2156 02:11:21.039 --> 02:11:23.199 relationship to Hobbes is being kind of like Marx's relationship 2157 02:11:23.279 --> 02:11:30.720 to Hegel. You know, Schmidt very much repudiated hobbs ontology 2158 02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:35.560 and kind of is uh, you know, kind of kind 2159 02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:38.560 of what he positive about man and like anthropological terms, 2160 02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:44.279 but Hobbs' description of authority in man's relationship to authority 2161 02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:52.359 and uh, the essentially theological characteristics they're in were and 2162 02:11:52.560 --> 02:12:01.000 are tremendously insightful, and the uh for better even if 2163 02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:05.840 we're that not true. You know, again, every everything subsequent 2164 02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:11.239 in uh, you know, the Enlightenment tradition, if you accept 2165 02:12:11.319 --> 02:12:20.119 that sort of conceptual timeline, and you know, even things 2166 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:23.640 that repudiated the kind of modernist perspective and and and 2167 02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:26.119 you know, on on the political side of things, I 2168 02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:28.920 mean like derives from Hobbes as well. So I'd say 2169 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:33.119 that I'd say that, uh, Levia then should probably be 2170 02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:43.520 number two. I Uh, Machiavelli is the Prince. If you 2171 02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:46.800 take like, at least traditionally, if you went to a 2172 02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:49.680 liberal arts college and you took like political theory, that's 2173 02:12:49.680 --> 02:12:52.720 one of the first books they to sign you. It's 2174 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:56.920 not that there's such great insight in it. I think it, 2175 02:12:57.159 --> 02:13:00.359 you know, I think it captures it just sort of 2176 02:13:00.399 --> 02:13:05.319 a snapshot of the European political mind. But it did 2177 02:13:05.439 --> 02:13:09.800 represent that kind of It was the first book of 2178 02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:14.359 its kind that was widely circulated among literate classes. Okay, 2179 02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:19.560 And obviously, like my list is going to be like 2180 02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:27.279 heavy on political theory, such that some people might object, 2181 02:13:27.479 --> 02:13:31.600 like you know, going to their own sort of conceptual prejudices. 2182 02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:42.199 Number four, I'd say probably, uh, Hegel, a study of history. 2183 02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:49.000 If Hegel is kind of like Marks nobody, I mean, 2184 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:52.199 aside from the fact that there's there's a kind of 2185 02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:55.840 there's a perverse feared of in literal like association between 2186 02:13:55.840 --> 02:14:00.399 the two thinkers. But Hegel's is cited constant lead, but 2187 02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:06.039 almost nobody actually reads Hegel. Reading Hegel kind of like 2188 02:14:06.119 --> 02:14:09.319 reading your Ristotle is is I think a lifelong endeavor, 2189 02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:12.399 you know, and you you'll return to the same texts 2190 02:14:12.479 --> 02:14:19.800 again and again for clarity and because uh, as one's 2191 02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:30.680 own sort of understanding comes into high relief. Proverbially speaking, 2192 02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:35.239 you know, you'll you'll, you'll come to understand more and more, 2193 02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:38.720 you know, what is under discussion and what's a fundamental 2194 02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:45.159 concern and he Gaelian thought. But if you're any if 2195 02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:49.199 you're any kind of if you're any kind of political theorist, 2196 02:14:51.640 --> 02:14:54.680 you know, Hegel is a kind of like your metaphor 2197 02:14:54.800 --> 02:14:58.640 your starting point for like metaphysics, as metaphysics is such 2198 02:14:58.720 --> 02:15:02.479 that it it dovetai inextricably with the political you know, 2199 02:15:02.640 --> 02:15:05.960 and there's more than a kind of narrow overlap there. 2200 02:15:09.239 --> 02:15:18.439 My uh I uh, I don't know. You I'd say 2201 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:21.760 I'd say, for five or six you should read the 2202 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:25.000 Federalist papers. Not because there's like incredible wisdom there, Like 2203 02:15:25.079 --> 02:15:27.279 there's really not an other than Hamilton and j Like 2204 02:15:27.279 --> 02:15:28.880 I don't get a lot out of the Federalist papers 2205 02:15:28.880 --> 02:15:31.279 and stubs in in terms, but if you want to 2206 02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:35.479 understand kind of like the confused like pastiche of what supposedly, 2207 02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:41.680 you know, was the underlying rationale for the American Revolution 2208 02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:46.760 was really wasn't a revolution in any any meaningful sense. 2209 02:15:47.039 --> 02:15:51.039 You know, it's I it got branded as such on 2210 02:15:51.079 --> 02:15:55.800 one of these kinds of romantic instincts of people like 2211 02:15:56.000 --> 02:16:01.960 uh Jefferson, who uh, you know, had had kind of 2212 02:16:02.000 --> 02:16:09.680 an absurd and distasteful reverence for Jacobinism. But if you 2213 02:16:09.720 --> 02:16:12.359 want to understand, even to this day, although it's like 2214 02:16:12.479 --> 02:16:15.319 faded because you know, there's not there's not any like 2215 02:16:15.399 --> 02:16:22.079 substant discourse in America about anything of of of real importance, 2216 02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:25.680 but you do you do still see, at least in 2217 02:16:25.760 --> 02:16:29.159 the federal courts occasionally you do still see like reasoning 2218 02:16:29.239 --> 02:16:35.799 directly lifted from the Federalist papers. You know. The degree 2219 02:16:35.840 --> 02:16:39.040 to which is you know, the degree to which that's 2220 02:16:39.079 --> 02:16:44.239 cosmetic versus substantive, I mean, is arguable, but I think 2221 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:49.879 at least a once over and even this this goes 2222 02:16:49.920 --> 02:16:52.639 from people who are like you know, in Europe as 2223 02:16:52.680 --> 02:16:56.360 well too, because obviously this this the occupation regime that 2224 02:16:56.799 --> 02:17:03.000 they're unfortunately availed to is uh is the American regime. 2225 02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:05.600 You know, I'd say that, and you can find I mean, 2226 02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:08.239 you could probably downloak like a PDA for the Federal's papers, 2227 02:17:08.280 --> 02:17:12.040 like after like a two minute freaking Google search. You know, 2228 02:17:14.280 --> 02:17:23.399 I'd getting into the more esoteric I'd say, uh, Mercia 2229 02:17:23.479 --> 02:17:30.280 Eliotti The Sacred and the Profane. I I think it's 2230 02:17:30.319 --> 02:17:36.959 a very important book. It's I I really, I really 2231 02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:38.959 get a lot of the stuff like Rene Gillon too, 2232 02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:42.600 but I that's that's I wouldn't I wouldn't say that 2233 02:17:42.680 --> 02:17:49.600 that's essential uh reading for most people unless they're deeply 2234 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:56.079 intrigued by comparative theology as well as you know, what 2235 02:17:56.200 --> 02:18:00.719 I think of is kind of deep politics, you know, 2236 02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:06.559 the kind of the kind of conjunction of a of 2237 02:18:06.680 --> 02:18:11.799 anthropological and cultural phenomenon with the political. But the segment 2238 02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:15.040 in the Profane it very much bears on the twentieth century, 2239 02:18:19.360 --> 02:18:22.520 and uh, I think, uh it's a it's a splendid 2240 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:29.040 rebuttal to this kind of preference for for secularism that 2241 02:18:29.719 --> 02:18:33.639 you find among a that you find among the postmodern right. 2242 02:18:34.280 --> 02:18:37.200 At least that's one of the reasons I initially gravitated 2243 02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:42.000 towards Mercia Eliotti. He's written a bunch of other He 2244 02:18:42.040 --> 02:18:43.719 wrote a bunch of other stuff too, Like he wrote 2245 02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:46.479 a book called Shamanism that was great. He wrote a 2246 02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:52.000 book on called the Myth of Eternal Recurrence, which is 2247 02:18:52.120 --> 02:18:58.079 great but not But again, those kinds of things were 2248 02:18:58.120 --> 02:19:04.200 only obliquely related to the topic of hand i'd uh, 2249 02:19:05.719 --> 02:19:08.520 Carl SCHMIDTZ, No, Most of the Earth is essential reading 2250 02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:12.399 if you want to understand the world system post Westphailure. 2251 02:19:16.159 --> 02:19:20.040 The book I'm writing now about international jurisprudence since World 2252 02:19:20.079 --> 02:19:23.600 War Two, I consider it I intended to be a 2253 02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:26.600 compliment piece or a successor to know Most of the Earth. 2254 02:19:30.440 --> 02:19:34.239 It's an arguable that the world system is is fundamentally 2255 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:39.799 uh grounded in in juristic reasoning. And that's why the 2256 02:19:39.879 --> 02:19:44.280 sea of sovereignty invests in the judiciary now and not 2257 02:19:44.719 --> 02:19:48.079 not in any not not in the executive branch of government. 2258 02:19:48.639 --> 02:19:51.399 And it's it's that way like on a planetary scale, Okay, 2259 02:19:51.479 --> 02:19:54.639 I mean there's the every every government on this planet 2260 02:19:54.760 --> 02:19:57.559 is structured basically the same, you know, Like that's one 2261 02:19:57.600 --> 02:19:59.600 of the reasons, as we talked about its ridiculous people 2262 02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:02.440 talk about democracy versus not democracy, as if this is 2263 02:20:02.440 --> 02:20:06.159 still the Cold War. And yeah, obviously there's systems where 2264 02:20:07.639 --> 02:20:10.719 you know, the executive branch wields more power than others 2265 02:20:11.879 --> 02:20:19.760 actually or or or symbolically. But the rationale of of 2266 02:20:19.959 --> 02:20:26.200 of government activity in war and peace terms is is 2267 02:20:26.280 --> 02:20:33.319 inextricably it derives from juristic reasoning, and that's that's inescapable 2268 02:20:33.680 --> 02:20:36.159 and for no other reason, that's why one should read 2269 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:41.200 numblest of the Earth. It's voluminous, it's about five or 2270 02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:46.559 six hundred pages, but it's I mean, it's a dense read, 2271 02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:53.760 but it's actually highly readable, and it's better than any 2272 02:20:54.319 --> 02:20:59.760 It puts post war political order in context better than 2273 02:20:59.760 --> 02:21:02.280 any other kind of single value a lot of people. 2274 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:07.760 What pops up again and again, like the Karl Schmidt 2275 02:21:07.799 --> 02:21:09.959 text that pops up on most people's lists is the 2276 02:21:10.040 --> 02:21:11.920 concept of the political and there's nothing wrong with that. 2277 02:21:13.280 --> 02:21:16.600 That's actually I believe the concept political was a lecture 2278 02:21:17.840 --> 02:21:22.440 like a two or three lecture series that was transcribed 2279 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:27.959 and uh, it's it's not I mean, it's yeah, it's important, okay, 2280 02:21:28.079 --> 02:21:31.840 because that's like the political, that's the ontology that underlies 2281 02:21:32.239 --> 02:21:37.639 like the Schmidtian perspective. But it's not. It's a very 2282 02:21:38.040 --> 02:21:41.440 it's a very incomplete understanding. If you're just gonna read 2283 02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:45.600 like one one Karl Schmidt text and I, like I said, 2284 02:21:45.639 --> 02:21:48.440 I think is plus know most of the Earth was 2285 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:52.399 is like post war kind of like magnum opus. You know, 2286 02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:56.200 it puts it puts the experience the first d half 2287 02:21:56.200 --> 02:22:01.680 of the twentieth century in perspective it and as a 2288 02:22:03.840 --> 02:22:06.559 as a follow up to that or as a compliment 2289 02:22:07.399 --> 02:22:11.760 to that, I I'd suggest anybody who insists in themselves 2290 02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:19.639 right wing read Imperium by Francis Yaqui. I don't consider 2291 02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:24.079 Imperium to be as esoteric as some people do. Maybe 2292 02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:28.760 that's because of my background in terms of what I 2293 02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:34.280 always kind of gravitated too instinctively as regards like theoretical 2294 02:22:34.319 --> 02:22:38.959 texts and things like that. But for those that aren't 2295 02:22:39.079 --> 02:22:45.719 as familiar with sort of the source material that Yacky's 2296 02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:51.200 relying on, there's a book called Profit of Decline by 2297 02:22:51.399 --> 02:22:57.479 a guy named John Ferrenkopf. He's an independent scholar who 2298 02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:01.520 for a long time was based here in Chicago. This book, 2299 02:23:01.600 --> 02:23:05.360 Profited Decline is both like an intellectual biography of Oswald 2300 02:23:05.399 --> 02:23:10.639 Spangler as well as kind of kind of a like 2301 02:23:10.680 --> 02:23:13.840 an abridged explanation of of his whole body at work 2302 02:23:14.399 --> 02:23:21.280 and core concepts. You know, I it's uh, that's frankly, 2303 02:23:21.319 --> 02:23:22.559 it's not in the cards. I think for a lot 2304 02:23:22.600 --> 02:23:30.680 of people to read, uh, the two volumes or three 2305 02:23:30.760 --> 02:23:34.719 volumes of the Decline of the West in its original form, 2306 02:23:36.280 --> 02:23:40.760 and then you know kind of kind of pour over 2307 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:45.799 that and imperium like some kind of scholastic and then 2308 02:23:45.879 --> 02:23:57.840 try and decipher you know, the context. I'd uh, i'd 2309 02:24:01.239 --> 02:24:07.559 I'd say George Sorell is ah essential reading. I can't 2310 02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:12.360 remember if we're on number six, number seven, Sorel's Reflections 2311 02:24:12.399 --> 02:24:16.639 on Violence. I think pretty much everything Cerell wrote is 2312 02:24:16.680 --> 02:24:22.520 worth reading, but Reflections Reflections on Violence is uh is 2313 02:24:22.840 --> 02:24:34.760 highly significant to the twenty revolutionary paradigm as and as 2314 02:24:34.799 --> 02:24:39.680 well as uh, there's if there's some additions that have 2315 02:24:42.479 --> 02:24:48.520 kind of a there's this essay on Sorell. Uh wrote 2316 02:24:48.520 --> 02:24:51.799 a great essay on why and why Socrates desire to 2317 02:24:51.840 --> 02:24:59.520 be executed? And uh, that's a peculiar significance to the 2318 02:24:59.680 --> 02:25:04.120 radic will write like it, like it all in all times. 2319 02:25:06.639 --> 02:25:10.639 And it also it distinguishes the partisan from the radical. 2320 02:25:10.719 --> 02:25:13.719 And you know that's there's there's all kinds of like 2321 02:25:13.879 --> 02:25:19.399 remarkable stuff. There some people who I think probably haven't 2322 02:25:19.440 --> 02:25:22.920 actually read Cerel or they or they've read write in 2323 02:25:23.000 --> 02:25:27.159 but don't fully understand the context like they seem they 2324 02:25:27.200 --> 02:25:29.799 seem to like look at Cerell as some like heterodox socialists. 2325 02:25:29.959 --> 02:25:32.159 Or I mean, and he was that too, but that's 2326 02:25:32.239 --> 02:25:37.120 not really the key takeaway. He's not just Werner Sombart 2327 02:25:37.479 --> 02:25:44.799 but with uh, but but with a kind of anthropological 2328 02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:51.120 streak interspersed there in he's one of the he's one 2329 02:25:51.120 --> 02:25:56.000 of the most I say, I put him in a 2330 02:25:56.079 --> 02:25:59.920 part with with with Lenin in terms of his understanding 2331 02:26:00.159 --> 02:26:09.920 of a practice in uh, within a revolutionary paradigm. I'd 2332 02:26:10.040 --> 02:26:14.760 uh this is probably gonna strike some people as peculiar, 2333 02:26:14.879 --> 02:26:20.239 but i'd uh i'd include Men among the Ruins. But 2334 02:26:20.399 --> 02:26:24.319 Julius Evil, Uh, that's a remarkable book, and I think 2335 02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:28.440 a lot of Evel's other stuff. It's probably not a 2336 02:26:28.479 --> 02:26:33.959 waste of time to read it, but it's totally different 2337 02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:38.200 than Men among the Ruins, and specifically the addition that 2338 02:26:38.360 --> 02:26:40.959 was put out by Inner Traditions Publishing House, which is 2339 02:26:41.040 --> 02:26:47.360 Michael moynihan's outfit, or it was because that one contains 2340 02:26:47.399 --> 02:26:50.280 a lot of stuff that was later redacted by from 2341 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:54.719 whatever reason, by like various publishers. But Men among the Ruins, 2342 02:26:54.799 --> 02:27:00.360 it's it's it's it's lacking in evil is uh kind 2343 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:06.559 of like symbolic his musings that symbolic psychology and metaphysics 2344 02:27:06.639 --> 02:27:11.319 and things and oh of that. It's very much diagnostic 2345 02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:17.719 in character. And uh, it's about the best description of 2346 02:27:17.840 --> 02:27:23.799 the European political situation in the later Cold War that 2347 02:27:23.920 --> 02:27:28.639 have come across and it uh, it's it's very very 2348 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:33.719 accessible so long as somebody has a rudimentary understanding of 2349 02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:38.600 of the Great War in World War Two. It's a 2350 02:27:38.680 --> 02:27:48.040 remarkable book. I'd uh. The King James version of the 2351 02:27:48.120 --> 02:27:51.079 Bible is essential reading, even if you're not a Protestant, 2352 02:27:51.319 --> 02:28:01.319 even if you're not religious. It's a arguably the most 2353 02:28:01.360 --> 02:28:10.479 significant text written in the English language, and if you 2354 02:28:10.559 --> 02:28:19.520 want to do like the Anglophone kind of inner world. Conceptually, 2355 02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:26.600 it derives from uh, it derives from Aristotle, it derives 2356 02:28:26.600 --> 02:28:28.239 from stuff like our theory in a legend, and it 2357 02:28:28.319 --> 02:28:33.399 derives from the King James Bible, which is kind of 2358 02:28:33.479 --> 02:28:39.520 a which which is kind of a conceptual reality into itself. 2359 02:28:39.600 --> 02:28:45.600 I can't explain it anything better than that. And it's 2360 02:28:46.879 --> 02:28:51.280 it's very different than every other translation, which uh, you know, 2361 02:28:51.399 --> 02:28:55.399 people people argue about the soundness of it theologically, that's 2362 02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:57.719 not important. I mean it is important, okay, but like 2363 02:28:57.840 --> 02:28:59.360 for purposes, I'm talking about. 2364 02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:01.920 It. 2365 02:29:02.159 --> 02:29:11.479 Uh, it's warrants a uh a, a secular reading if 2366 02:29:11.520 --> 02:29:15.239 you're a if you're a white Westerner and in an 2367 02:29:15.280 --> 02:29:24.719 anglophone culture. And finally, because uh, people constantly ask me 2368 02:29:24.879 --> 02:29:28.399 for like some seminal revisionist Third Reich book if you're 2369 02:29:28.440 --> 02:29:30.840 only gonna read one like revisionist history book and the 2370 02:29:30.879 --> 02:29:36.159 Third Reich. John Toland's biography of Adolf Hitler is essential 2371 02:29:36.200 --> 02:29:46.040 reading tooland was the was the Hitler biographer, okay. David 2372 02:29:46.079 --> 02:29:48.639 Irving is is like the scribe of the Third Reich. 2373 02:29:49.120 --> 02:29:53.319 But if Hitler himself, it's John Toland, okay, and his 2374 02:29:53.440 --> 02:29:56.159 biography is just that it's the life of Adolf Hitler, 2375 02:29:57.639 --> 02:30:01.360 and Tootland is the only story you know Hitler's family 2376 02:30:01.680 --> 02:30:05.360 was willing to speak to. Like It's fate kind of 2377 02:30:05.440 --> 02:30:09.760 conspired to assign Toll into that role, as is often 2378 02:30:09.799 --> 02:30:13.680 the case with historical writers. As I age, I realize 2379 02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:18.520 more and more that that's true, and it's not some 2380 02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:29.440 sort of self uh created mythology that you know, historical 2381 02:30:29.520 --> 02:30:34.200 authors have have kind of crafted about their their endeavors. 2382 02:30:36.799 --> 02:30:39.600 Off the top of my head, that's some That's about 2383 02:30:39.639 --> 02:30:41.639 the best list I can come I can come up with. 2384 02:30:44.479 --> 02:30:46.399 Well, let me ask what about fiction. 2385 02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:52.440 Frank Herbert's Dune is uh is essential, and you've got 2386 02:30:52.520 --> 02:30:56.920 to read Dune as uh like a complete like body 2387 02:30:56.959 --> 02:31:03.440 of work because uh, it's i mean science fiction is 2388 02:31:03.520 --> 02:31:07.600 a is a medium for political theory at base, I mean, 2389 02:31:07.639 --> 02:31:10.120 as as well as other things. That's one of the 2390 02:31:10.120 --> 02:31:12.159 reasons that spend so much time with it, like reading it. 2391 02:31:13.760 --> 02:31:17.799 And that's why you know, a lot of very a 2392 02:31:17.879 --> 02:31:19.840 lot of very strong people, you know that's a very 2393 02:31:19.879 --> 02:31:23.600 strong intellect of like have taken it seriously. And Herbert's 2394 02:31:23.600 --> 02:31:29.799 a perfect example of that. It's it's it's it's a 2395 02:31:29.920 --> 02:31:35.479 great it's outstanding philosophical discussion of you know, historical time. 2396 02:31:39.840 --> 02:31:42.079 I'd say, uh that that that's that's the top, that's 2397 02:31:42.079 --> 02:31:43.719 at the top of my list. Like read the Dune 2398 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:49.440 books and read them in order. The book Dead City 2399 02:31:49.559 --> 02:31:55.920 by Shane Stevens, that's uh, that's the best. Uh, that's 2400 02:31:55.959 --> 02:32:01.799 the best gangster like book ever written. Like it's a 2401 02:32:01.879 --> 02:32:04.920 it's a rough book, it's very brutal, but that's that's 2402 02:32:05.200 --> 02:32:09.879 that's what the street was like in uh the early seventies. 2403 02:32:11.239 --> 02:32:13.600 And Shane Stevens was a guy who you can tell 2404 02:32:13.760 --> 02:32:16.719 from his he's of his writing that this was like 2405 02:32:16.799 --> 02:32:18.680 stuff that he witnessed and these are like people that 2406 02:32:18.760 --> 02:32:25.639 he knew, you know, like it's some it's it's like 2407 02:32:25.879 --> 02:32:29.360 like I mentioned to people that, uh, the best gangster 2408 02:32:29.520 --> 02:32:32.120 movies of all time, my opinion, are Carlito's Way and 2409 02:32:32.280 --> 02:32:36.120 mean streets and dead cities like in that vein, you know, 2410 02:32:36.239 --> 02:32:41.159 like it's it's it's a it's kind of like the 2411 02:32:41.239 --> 02:32:47.719 anti Hollywood gangster novel. It's somewhat hard to find these days. 2412 02:32:50.920 --> 02:32:55.319 There's a lot of overpriced paperbacks, but I can probably 2413 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:58.280 I can probably find a PDF or like a really 2414 02:32:58.399 --> 02:33:02.280 priced paperback if if if people hit me up because 2415 02:33:02.319 --> 02:33:14.280 they can't because they can't find it, i'd uh Wuthering 2416 02:33:14.360 --> 02:33:20.399 Heights definitely belongs on that list I mentioned before. Like 2417 02:33:20.520 --> 02:33:22.760 people probably think that sounds like fruity or something, and 2418 02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:24.959 I mean whatever, like I don't, I don't, I don't 2419 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:31.120 care if people think that that's that's the best uh 2420 02:33:34.440 --> 02:33:41.360 literary treatment of the tragedy and character of romantic love 2421 02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:49.200 in uh the English language. And and there's something uh 2422 02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:52.520 it deals it deals with with like what properly is 2423 02:33:52.559 --> 02:33:55.319 like supernatural. I don't mean like ghosts and goblins and stuff. 2424 02:33:55.360 --> 02:34:02.879 I mean, the you know, there is uh there, there 2425 02:34:02.959 --> 02:34:11.479 is there, there is something mysterious about arrows. And I 2426 02:34:11.520 --> 02:34:14.559 think it's the best. Uh. I think it's the best 2427 02:34:14.799 --> 02:34:22.040 best treatment of that. There's go ahead. 2428 02:34:23.159 --> 02:34:25.520 There's a book that I've heard We've never even talked 2429 02:34:25.520 --> 02:34:27.360 about it, but there's a book I've heard you mentioned 2430 02:34:27.440 --> 02:34:32.040 on other other shows on your own of Human Bondage. 2431 02:34:32.760 --> 02:34:35.879 Yeah. Yeah, that's that's definitely on my list too, by 2432 02:34:36.479 --> 02:34:40.319 Somerset Mom. Yeah, that's a fantastic book, man, And it's 2433 02:34:42.159 --> 02:34:46.680 it's uh, it's uh that that definitely is something every 2434 02:34:48.799 --> 02:34:55.239 every every every young person especially should read. I'd also uh. 2435 02:34:57.600 --> 02:35:05.200 I also there's a book called Armor by John Stakley, 2436 02:35:06.200 --> 02:35:08.399 which is sort of a it's sort of like a 2437 02:35:08.479 --> 02:35:12.399 spiritual counterparts to Starship Troopers. But I think it's I 2438 02:35:12.440 --> 02:35:16.319 think it's a lot better. Frankly, like Highland wrote some 2439 02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:20.000 fascinating stuff and uh, but he was kind of like 2440 02:35:20.040 --> 02:35:24.920 a pure he Uh he got very strange later in life, 2441 02:35:25.000 --> 02:35:29.840 Highlight did. And I mean that's fine. Like some of 2442 02:35:29.920 --> 02:35:33.319 his some of us weirder, wilder ship like the Number 2443 02:35:33.319 --> 02:35:35.200 of the Beast. I actually got a kick out of 2444 02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:43.200 but his Starship Troopers is uh is very much UH 2445 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.520 as very much military science like harden Man's military science, 2446 02:35:46.559 --> 02:35:49.239 and like a fanciful setting to you know, facilitate, you know, 2447 02:35:49.319 --> 02:35:51.799 kind of like discussion they're in armor is very is 2448 02:35:52.239 --> 02:35:55.000 very much is a much more complete book, I think 2449 02:35:55.239 --> 02:36:00.959 on a on a similar subject, you know, and and 2450 02:36:01.120 --> 02:36:07.959 kind of like the the dehumanizing aspects of uh of 2451 02:36:08.079 --> 02:36:17.120 a you know of of hyper advanced warfare. But i uh, 2452 02:36:19.159 --> 02:36:23.840 for for reference, the uh stigly died uh rather young. 2453 02:36:24.440 --> 02:36:29.319 His only other novel was A Vampires, which is what 2454 02:36:29.559 --> 02:36:33.079 carbon John Carverenter based his movie Vampires on, which is 2455 02:36:33.159 --> 02:36:35.440 not a terrible adaptation with the book is way better 2456 02:36:36.239 --> 02:36:38.920 and uh basically in the novel, like vampires are a 2457 02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:42.200 real thing, but they're like vampism is like a is 2458 02:36:42.239 --> 02:36:45.520 like as like a disease organism. And these these guys 2459 02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:49.040 who are basically like Blackwater. They get retained by the Vatican. 2460 02:36:49.120 --> 02:36:52.879 They kill vampires when it's infestations are discovered, which is 2461 02:36:52.920 --> 02:36:55.239 obviously like a very kind of tough and disgusting job, 2462 02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:57.440 and like that's it's basically like about like just kind 2463 02:36:57.479 --> 02:37:00.520 of these guys' lives for like these PMCs de Stroy Empires. 2464 02:37:00.559 --> 02:37:04.440 It's really fucking cool and they get into some of 2465 02:37:04.479 --> 02:37:06.639 that like in the in the film, but it's it's 2466 02:37:06.799 --> 02:37:10.840 uh but that and uh though that Had and Armor 2467 02:37:10.879 --> 02:37:13.000 were like Stak's only two novels. 2468 02:37:13.079 --> 02:37:14.879 I mean, he he was. 2469 02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:17.799 He's very much like a cult kind of novelist in 2470 02:37:17.879 --> 02:37:19.799 part because he lived. I think he was only like 2471 02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:22.959 thirty eight when he died. There were there would have 2472 02:37:23.000 --> 02:37:27.479 been like very very good stuff emergent from his creative mind. 2473 02:37:28.200 --> 02:37:34.280 I think, yeah, Carpenter's Vampires is pretty decent, but I 2474 02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:36.760 mean we got off on vampire movies. Now, what'd you 2475 02:37:36.799 --> 02:37:37.559 think in Near Dark? 2476 02:37:38.319 --> 02:37:41.719 They're Dark's great and it's like, uh, let's like I 2477 02:37:41.959 --> 02:37:46.319 was telling people, like there's a there's uh like like 2478 02:37:46.559 --> 02:37:49.760 like like fags like the Lost Boys, like real motherfuckers 2479 02:37:49.799 --> 02:37:53.319 like Near Dark just like just like fucking Menace to 2480 02:37:53.440 --> 02:37:55.639 Society is like real ship and Boys in the Hood 2481 02:37:55.760 --> 02:37:58.680 is like modeling like pathetic ship and like real people 2482 02:37:58.719 --> 02:38:03.399 like Ropper Stomper and like fucking and fucking uh you know, 2483 02:38:03.559 --> 02:38:05.879 lames are into like americanustry X. It's like that kind 2484 02:38:05.879 --> 02:38:12.840 of deal. Like I actually think the uh Theklau the 2485 02:38:12.920 --> 02:38:18.760 klaus Kinski version of nos Feratu, which was released in 2486 02:38:18.840 --> 02:38:21.680 seventy nine. I mean Ernard hertsaw I directed it, but 2487 02:38:21.799 --> 02:38:26.040 klaus Kinski plays count Orlock, which is appropriate because laus 2488 02:38:26.079 --> 02:38:29.559 Kinski probably is like a vampire. But like, uh, that's 2489 02:38:29.559 --> 02:38:35.600 probably my favorite vampire movie. And speaking of John Carboner, 2490 02:38:35.639 --> 02:38:38.600 the John Carbenter TV movie of Salem's Lots is actually 2491 02:38:38.639 --> 02:38:40.719 pretty dope. And when I was a little kid, like 2492 02:38:40.799 --> 02:38:42.479 a little little kid, they'd always show it on TV, 2493 02:38:42.559 --> 02:38:44.799 and I found it really scary, and then like, uh, 2494 02:38:45.719 --> 02:38:48.440 as an adult, like it's it actually holds up. It's 2495 02:38:48.600 --> 02:38:49.399 it's pretty cool. 2496 02:38:50.559 --> 02:38:52.639 Let me ask you about this one because I know you, like, 2497 02:38:52.840 --> 02:38:54.719 I know you like the lead actor in it. So 2498 02:38:55.360 --> 02:38:56.360 what do you think of The Hunger. 2499 02:38:57.319 --> 02:39:00.680 It's it's it's pretty dope, man, And it's uh, the 2500 02:39:00.799 --> 02:39:05.559 Hunger is interesting, not just because uh, not just because 2501 02:39:05.559 --> 02:39:10.879 of like the David Bowie connection, but it's I think, uh, 2502 02:39:11.440 --> 02:39:14.680 I think Whitley Streiver wrote it, and he was very 2503 02:39:14.760 --> 02:39:18.120 weird man, you know. He he wrote some interesting stuff 2504 02:39:18.159 --> 02:39:20.239 in the eighties. He wrote The Wolf in He wrote 2505 02:39:20.239 --> 02:39:22.840 this book war Day, which is exactly what it sounds like. 2506 02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:24.440 It was like it. You know, it was kind of 2507 02:39:24.479 --> 02:39:28.600 like his take on you know, a general nuclear war. 2508 02:39:29.920 --> 02:39:32.200 I mean he mostly focused on like the sociological and 2509 02:39:32.280 --> 02:39:35.280 cultural aspects, you know, like the human side, but striver 2510 02:39:35.879 --> 02:39:39.239 he began insisting that he was having contacts with alien beings, 2511 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:41.280 you know, and then like communion. You know that he 2512 02:39:41.360 --> 02:39:43.120 wrote that book that they made into a movie Fits 2513 02:39:43.159 --> 02:39:46.760 for Walking. He really like went off the rails. But 2514 02:39:48.520 --> 02:39:51.840 I believe he wrote the book that the Hunger that 2515 02:39:51.879 --> 02:39:56.399 they have to do the Hunger very much. It's where 2516 02:39:56.879 --> 02:39:59.760 the aesthetic of it is like Super nineteen eighty one 2517 02:40:00.040 --> 02:40:03.520 and like that, just like the very very early nineties 2518 02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:05.719 were kind of like neither the eighties nor like the 2519 02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:08.760 proper nineties, like the very very early eighties or kind 2520 02:40:08.760 --> 02:40:11.079 of a weird time. You know. It was like uh, 2521 02:40:12.479 --> 02:40:15.520 it was it was like not quite post punk, not 2522 02:40:15.680 --> 02:40:19.680 quite new wave like styles were weird, you know. 2523 02:40:20.799 --> 02:40:23.200 I mean Bauhaus opens up, the opens up the. 2524 02:40:23.479 --> 02:40:26.879 Yeah right right right, yeah, yeah, And that's that's the 2525 02:40:26.959 --> 02:40:28.840 kind of movie that like never be made today. Let 2526 02:40:28.879 --> 02:40:34.319 Alone by, Let Alone by, you know, let alone by 2527 02:40:34.360 --> 02:40:37.280 like a major studio or whatever, you know, Like it 2528 02:40:38.600 --> 02:40:40.159 like a movie like that were made it would be 2529 02:40:40.239 --> 02:40:42.399 like a guy like Ryan Gosling would like just like 2530 02:40:42.520 --> 02:40:44.280 throw money at it to like it's like a you know, 2531 02:40:44.399 --> 02:40:46.399 something he wanted to make, and it would it be 2532 02:40:46.520 --> 02:40:50.920 like a very limited release. Like that's another yeah, and 2533 02:40:51.000 --> 02:40:54.280 that's that's another thing. The reason that Epoch was cool 2534 02:40:54.360 --> 02:40:57.000 is because you'd see just like random stuff like that, like. 2535 02:40:58.680 --> 02:41:01.040 Do you think it was Uh, there was like this 2536 02:41:01.239 --> 02:41:05.799 underlying judgment of like upper West Side wasps, Upper East 2537 02:41:05.840 --> 02:41:06.520 Side WASPS. 2538 02:41:08.239 --> 02:41:12.479 Yeah, I think that was part of it. Yeah, I 2539 02:41:12.520 --> 02:41:17.719 think that was part of it definitely, And that's why 2540 02:41:17.799 --> 02:41:24.040 it's always any It was a weird like post Ford 2541 02:41:24.040 --> 02:41:30.799 administration New York City like that setting. There's there was 2542 02:41:30.840 --> 02:41:33.959 a lot of Yeah, there was a lot of there's 2543 02:41:34.040 --> 02:41:36.360 like cast dynamics that were present there that were not 2544 02:41:36.479 --> 02:41:38.280 in like Chicago. We're in Los Angeles. 2545 02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:39.399 You know. 2546 02:41:39.479 --> 02:41:42.840 It's it's a it's some like like the East Coast 2547 02:41:42.920 --> 02:41:44.680 is different. Man, it it just is you know, like 2548 02:41:44.799 --> 02:41:48.520 I but it's I like to rewatch it. I haven't 2549 02:41:48.559 --> 02:41:53.079 seen it, I think, and since I was since I 2550 02:41:53.159 --> 02:41:58.360 was in college. It's but the also the the reason 2551 02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:01.799 I like Near Dark so much, what it is going 2552 02:42:01.920 --> 02:42:06.280 forward is uh, it's like obvious, like like it's very 2553 02:42:06.319 --> 02:42:09.079 on those metaphor for like being an addicts and like 2554 02:42:09.239 --> 02:42:11.479 near Dark. They never even say what the vampires are. 2555 02:42:11.879 --> 02:42:14.360 It just becomes obvious, like that's what they are. But 2556 02:42:14.440 --> 02:42:16.920 they're like these but they're like these they're like these 2557 02:42:17.000 --> 02:42:20.079 outlaw like grimy white people. They're like these pecker would 2558 02:42:20.159 --> 02:42:22.159 you like live like addicts? You know? 2559 02:42:22.280 --> 02:42:24.920 And there's also a lot of passing jokes in it, 2560 02:42:25.559 --> 02:42:27.799 like I remember when they when they set fire to 2561 02:42:27.879 --> 02:42:31.239 that one place and they're they're leaving and Bill Paston goes, 2562 02:42:31.280 --> 02:42:32.920 remember that fire we set in Chicago? 2563 02:42:33.399 --> 02:42:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it's also too like when when 2564 02:42:38.040 --> 02:42:42.159 the girl first turns the kid play by Adrian Pashtar, 2565 02:42:42.680 --> 02:42:45.319 like when he starts getting sick, he's like getting dope sick, 2566 02:42:45.360 --> 02:42:47.479 and that's like the nark in the bathroom's like, look, man, 2567 02:42:47.719 --> 02:42:48.959 I know what's I know what, I know what, I 2568 02:42:49.000 --> 02:42:51.319 know what's going on here? Like you know, get get 2569 02:42:51.360 --> 02:42:53.559 your ship together, don't let me see her again. He's 2570 02:42:53.600 --> 02:42:55.719 like he's like obviously coming down on him because he's like, oh, 2571 02:42:55.719 --> 02:42:58.040 you're a junkie. And it's like even if they don't 2572 02:42:58.799 --> 02:43:02.520 like they you know, the empires don't get what they need, 2573 02:43:02.639 --> 02:43:06.159 they get dope sick and like it's and he uh 2574 02:43:07.120 --> 02:43:10.680 like at first, uh, at first the kid finds like 2575 02:43:10.760 --> 02:43:13.559 the entire process discussed thing. But they're just like look 2576 02:43:13.639 --> 02:43:15.879 like you'll you like get used to it. You know, 2577 02:43:15.959 --> 02:43:17.879 you you end up being able to do things you know, 2578 02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:22.799 startself capable of. Like that's that's very much because like 2579 02:43:22.879 --> 02:43:25.559 being a vampire actually is disgusting and it sucks, you know, 2580 02:43:25.639 --> 02:43:28.760 like that and that's like it's and that you know. 2581 02:43:28.799 --> 02:43:35.959 That's why I uh, I've always found that to be 2582 02:43:36.040 --> 02:43:38.000 an apparable metaphor. And like if you're an addict, you 2583 02:43:38.079 --> 02:43:40.879 truly like do like live at night, you know, and like, uh, 2584 02:43:41.520 --> 02:43:44.280 you're you're almost like afraid of daytime, not just because 2585 02:43:45.319 --> 02:43:47.360 you know, because like you know, you'll be sick in 2586 02:43:47.399 --> 02:43:49.360 the morning and like that's when the police are around, 2587 02:43:49.440 --> 02:43:52.520 and that's you know, when you've got to you know, 2588 02:43:52.639 --> 02:43:56.079 you've got to like be aware of people finding out 2589 02:43:56.159 --> 02:43:58.719 what you are and coming down on you and ships 2590 02:43:58.799 --> 02:44:04.000 like that. And that's why I, I mean, I've always 2591 02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:06.159 like near Dark. I like it even before understood that 2592 02:44:07.200 --> 02:44:12.479 implication and the Catherine Bigelow who was and she's a 2593 02:44:12.520 --> 02:44:15.280 real fucking dying piece back in the day, but she 2594 02:44:18.079 --> 02:44:24.520 she's an interesting filmmaker man, and she's uh, she's a 2595 02:44:24.680 --> 02:44:29.920 rare uh like female female uh directors who have really 2596 02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:33.239 good directing shops, Like they're rare. I mean, it's just 2597 02:44:33.319 --> 02:44:36.200 like a fact. I'm not saying that's like come down 2598 02:44:36.280 --> 02:44:39.159 in females or something, but they but those that do 2599 02:44:39.479 --> 02:44:41.840 are good at their prey after, like, very very good 2600 02:44:41.879 --> 02:44:45.559 at it, like Lenny Riefenstall comes to ninth too obviously. 2601 02:44:46.840 --> 02:44:51.280 But did you ever think thatse you mentioned klaus Kinsky 2602 02:44:51.319 --> 02:44:54.040 and it reminded me of of Natasha. Do you ever 2603 02:44:54.159 --> 02:44:58.680 think Cat People was like some weird kind of supposedly 2604 02:44:58.799 --> 02:45:00.799 supposed to be a I don't. 2605 02:45:00.680 --> 02:45:04.200 Like Kid People, and like I people have challenged me 2606 02:45:04.280 --> 02:45:08.559 on that because I like Paul Strader so much. I 2607 02:45:09.079 --> 02:45:10.479 I don't know what he was going for with that. 2608 02:45:10.680 --> 02:45:14.879 The original Kid People was this kind of it was 2609 02:45:14.959 --> 02:45:18.079 this kind of camp horror movie from you know, the 2610 02:45:18.200 --> 02:45:26.760 nineteen forties. Paul Schrader's version it's kind of like it's 2611 02:45:26.840 --> 02:45:28.959 kind of like a shaggy Dog story. It doesn't really 2612 02:45:29.000 --> 02:45:34.239 go anywhere, and you know, it's it's kind of the consummate. Uh, 2613 02:45:35.760 --> 02:45:38.440 it's kind of the consummate example of style over substance. 2614 02:45:39.159 --> 02:45:40.719 But I mean Trader kind of lost his way for 2615 02:45:40.760 --> 02:45:42.840 a minute, Like I think, I think American Jigglo is 2616 02:45:42.879 --> 02:45:45.040 like a shitty movie, you know, like I know, and 2617 02:45:45.120 --> 02:45:46.319 that's one of the ones that kind of put him 2618 02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:50.520 on the map with like mainstream movie goers. You know 2619 02:45:50.639 --> 02:45:52.319 that that's and that's the movie also like made like 2620 02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:57.959 Richard Gear but like I I uh but I mean 2621 02:45:58.000 --> 02:46:01.159 I I I like his I like hardcore, I like 2622 02:46:01.200 --> 02:46:04.440 the Yakuza. Like those are like my favorite Paul Schrader movies. 2623 02:46:04.520 --> 02:46:09.360 And I think, uh and then later in life, uh 2624 02:46:10.440 --> 02:46:13.040 like Auto Focus, you know, which is the Bob Crane topic, 2625 02:46:13.079 --> 02:46:15.639 which is really kind of disturbing. Like that's a great film. 2626 02:46:15.799 --> 02:46:18.280 It's a great film, but it is very disturbing. Yeah, 2627 02:46:19.479 --> 02:46:21.079 Defoe is really creepy in that. 2628 02:46:21.319 --> 02:46:28.760 Yeah, yeah, it's the uh well it's also it's a 2629 02:46:28.920 --> 02:46:30.520 but it's like even one of the reasons I like 2630 02:46:30.559 --> 02:46:33.840 Auto Focus and stuff, it's because like the like the 2631 02:46:33.920 --> 02:46:36.159 optics of it are really good and like in can't people, 2632 02:46:36.200 --> 02:46:38.040 it's like the optics are just like shitty. It like 2633 02:46:38.079 --> 02:46:40.000 looks like something it looks like in nineteen eighties, like 2634 02:46:40.239 --> 02:46:43.680 like car commercial or something like. I know it's I've 2635 02:46:43.719 --> 02:46:48.280 tried to watch it again during the I think during 2636 02:46:49.440 --> 02:46:52.000 like last year doing frodies like film Festival, I think 2637 02:46:52.079 --> 02:46:56.479 somebody watched Kid People. It was on my mind, what 2638 02:46:56.520 --> 02:46:59.079 I'm getting. I can't remember if somebody reviewed it like 2639 02:46:59.159 --> 02:47:01.520 in our circles a year or two ago, and so 2640 02:47:01.600 --> 02:47:02.879 it was I got on my mind again and I 2641 02:47:02.920 --> 02:47:04.719 think ace I asked me if I liked it or not, 2642 02:47:05.239 --> 02:47:07.959 and I'm like, no, I thought it sucked, but I'll 2643 02:47:08.000 --> 02:47:12.879 try watching it again, you know. And then I tried it. 2644 02:47:13.239 --> 02:47:16.079 I gave another chance. I'm just like, I don't this 2645 02:47:16.239 --> 02:47:17.840 is just this is just a shitty movie, man. 2646 02:47:18.319 --> 02:47:18.559 It was. 2647 02:47:18.760 --> 02:47:21.040 It was like it wanted to be either a vampire 2648 02:47:21.159 --> 02:47:25.680 movie or a werewolf movie, and it was it couldn't 2649 02:47:25.719 --> 02:47:26.799 make up its mind what it was. 2650 02:47:27.200 --> 02:47:29.200 Yeah, and it didn't go anywhere, you know. Like that's 2651 02:47:29.440 --> 02:47:32.680 like I said, like it wasn't And I speculate I 2652 02:47:32.719 --> 02:47:34.959 speculate the narrative problems were because it was one of 2653 02:47:35.000 --> 02:47:38.040 those scripts that got like endlessly like slashed and burned 2654 02:47:38.079 --> 02:47:41.079 and like edited just kind of into oblivion. And then 2655 02:47:41.120 --> 02:47:43.680 like with the final product was like didn't really make 2656 02:47:43.680 --> 02:47:46.399 any sense. I mean that might not have been Trader's fault, 2657 02:47:46.479 --> 02:47:51.280 but again, what kind of what kind of grabbed me 2658 02:47:51.280 --> 02:47:53.719 about is that it's just not it's just like not 2659 02:47:53.879 --> 02:47:55.159 optically like a good movie. 2660 02:47:56.840 --> 02:47:59.040 I got one more, I got one more movie for you, 2661 02:47:59.079 --> 02:47:59.879 and we'll get out of here. 2662 02:48:00.360 --> 02:48:00.559 Yeah. 2663 02:48:01.040 --> 02:48:04.079 Robert Harmon nineteen eighty six, The Hitcher. 2664 02:48:06.920 --> 02:48:13.040 See that film starts out really strong, and it's like, uh, 2665 02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:17.000 Rutger Howard is like so weird that like he he's 2666 02:48:17.040 --> 02:48:20.840 just speaking of like klaus Kinski's kind of like it's 2667 02:48:20.920 --> 02:48:26.680 sort of like uh, spiritual counterpart or something. But it's 2668 02:48:28.680 --> 02:48:31.760 the suspense kind of gets blown like halfway through the movie, 2669 02:48:32.479 --> 02:48:35.159 like when it like because because the kid finally is 2670 02:48:35.159 --> 02:48:37.680 able to convince like the police that like this guy 2671 02:48:37.760 --> 02:48:42.399 actually is after him, and like like the like the 2672 02:48:42.440 --> 02:48:44.280 movie the first time of the movie is like dope 2673 02:48:44.319 --> 02:48:47.280 because it's like it's like this like Hitchcock type nightmare, 2674 02:48:47.719 --> 02:48:50.479 like the kid is he can't convince anybody this insanity's 2675 02:48:50.479 --> 02:48:53.760 actually really happening. But then like it, but but then 2676 02:48:53.799 --> 02:48:57.840 the movie kind of like shoots its load and and 2677 02:48:57.959 --> 02:49:00.719 then it just becomes uh you know, like like almost 2678 02:49:00.719 --> 02:49:04.920 like a slasher movie. And see Thomas Howells. 2679 02:49:04.639 --> 02:49:08.879 In that, right, yeah, I think Jennifer Jason Lee too, 2680 02:49:09.319 --> 02:49:10.200 Yeah yeah. 2681 02:49:10.040 --> 02:49:13.760 And that was see Thomas Howells got more range than 2682 02:49:14.799 --> 02:49:19.040 say you go credit him with and uh I uh 2683 02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:23.479 but yeah, I think I know that like among like 2684 02:49:23.559 --> 02:49:26.479 midnight movie fans and stuff like back in the old 2685 02:49:26.559 --> 02:49:28.440 days as well as today. Like it's it's kind of 2686 02:49:28.479 --> 02:49:34.760 like beloved, but I I don't uh, I don't care 2687 02:49:34.879 --> 02:49:36.719 for it was on tip of my tongue a minute 2688 02:49:36.719 --> 02:49:39.520 ago with Catherine Bigelow is I believe she also directed 2689 02:49:39.559 --> 02:49:42.959 The Loveless, you know, which was William Dafoe, And I was, 2690 02:49:43.920 --> 02:49:46.920 that's like rockabilly like leather jackets stuff. So I think 2691 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:50.879 it's cool. But it's like it's done right, like it's 2692 02:49:51.000 --> 02:49:53.559 uh and it's like it's kind of like the anti 2693 02:49:53.680 --> 02:49:57.479 Streets of Fire, which which I hate. Uh. I'll never 2694 02:49:57.520 --> 02:50:00.239 forget Walter Hill for making that piece of ship right. 2695 02:50:02.200 --> 02:50:06.360 He like he's goofy and like the whole the whole, 2696 02:50:06.360 --> 02:50:10.159 the whole movies is awful and cringe. But the Loveless, uh. 2697 02:50:10.399 --> 02:50:12.280 He as did Eddie. He was the star Eddie and 2698 02:50:12.319 --> 02:50:13.239 the Cruisers. 2699 02:50:13.040 --> 02:50:15.879 Right, and then the Cruisers had this bizarre sequel to 2700 02:50:16.159 --> 02:50:18.000 that like came out like ten years later. 2701 02:50:17.920 --> 02:50:20.959 And in Canada. It was like based in Canada and everything. 2702 02:50:21.120 --> 02:50:23.719 Yeah, it was bizarre too, because like it's uh, like 2703 02:50:23.799 --> 02:50:26.680 the whole They're supposed to be this like nineteen sixties band, 2704 02:50:26.959 --> 02:50:28.840 but they sound like a nineteen eighties band. 2705 02:50:29.079 --> 02:50:30.879 It sounds like Spring. They sound like Spring. 2706 02:50:32.559 --> 02:50:34.840 Yeah, they're like these guys, like these these dudes and 2707 02:50:34.840 --> 02:50:37.959 the mullets and like skinny ties, playing like Bruce Springsteen song. 2708 02:50:38.079 --> 02:50:40.920 They're like from the sixties. And then like yeah, then 2709 02:50:40.959 --> 02:50:45.239 like Eddie fakes his death for like twenty years, which 2710 02:50:45.319 --> 02:50:48.000 is like lame as fuck, you know, and like because 2711 02:50:48.000 --> 02:50:49.600 he's like trd of being famous, so we just like 2712 02:50:49.719 --> 02:50:53.399 decides it's like it's like okay, motherfucker. Like the fact 2713 02:50:53.520 --> 02:50:56.159 that that trope is so stupid too. It's like, yeah, 2714 02:50:56.440 --> 02:50:58.440 I'm sick of being rich and famous. I'm gonna go 2715 02:50:58.600 --> 02:51:01.239 like work as a Walmart because like it'll be awesome. 2716 02:51:01.719 --> 02:51:07.239 Like uh, it's like, let's feel like a torture tortured artist. Yeah, 2717 02:51:07.319 --> 02:51:09.799 unless you got like five star heat, like you don't 2718 02:51:09.840 --> 02:51:12.040 fucking fake your own death, you know, Like that's that's 2719 02:51:12.079 --> 02:51:12.840 fucking retarded. 2720 02:51:13.559 --> 02:51:15.639 I wanted to ask you this because we mentioned Howard 2721 02:51:16.319 --> 02:51:20.559 in The Hitcher, besides obviously leaving out Blade Runner. What's 2722 02:51:20.639 --> 02:51:21.319 his best movie? 2723 02:51:23.280 --> 02:51:29.000 That's a good question, I think, I uh, I don't 2724 02:51:29.120 --> 02:51:30.040 think about that in a minute. 2725 02:51:31.120 --> 02:51:38.760 My like, I guess guilty pleasure movie is The Nighthawks. 2726 02:51:39.559 --> 02:51:41.719 The Nighthawks is actually a pretty good movie, man Like. 2727 02:51:41.799 --> 02:51:47.000 I mean it's corny, but it's it's uh like like 2728 02:51:47.079 --> 02:51:51.840 it's actually a pretty intelligent scripts and I think, uh, 2729 02:51:54.040 --> 02:51:56.559 what's uh yeah, I don't think about it, man like, 2730 02:51:57.440 --> 02:52:02.719 has been in a lot of weird stuff. Like then 2731 02:52:02.719 --> 02:52:04.799 there's like this one like movie that Dave Story show 2732 02:52:04.799 --> 02:52:07.280 on Cinemax where he's like this blind samurai. I mean 2733 02:52:07.280 --> 02:52:09.079 that that movie is really fucking stupid, but it's just 2734 02:52:09.120 --> 02:52:14.760 like yeah, yeah, and he how was that It's called 2735 02:52:14.840 --> 02:52:21.440 Blind Fury. Yeah, and then yeah, I'd have to I'd 2736 02:52:21.440 --> 02:52:25.840 have to think about I actually like a guilty pleasure 2737 02:52:25.879 --> 02:52:28.399 of mine is Split Seconds, which seeking a movie is 2738 02:52:28.440 --> 02:52:31.360 don't any sense? Like Rutger Howard, he's a he's like 2739 02:52:31.440 --> 02:52:34.399 this mercenary, Like he's like this p MC type in 2740 02:52:34.520 --> 02:52:41.399 London and in London the future it's like flooded and 2741 02:52:41.479 --> 02:52:44.120 there's like this there's like this serial killer like alien 2742 02:52:44.200 --> 02:52:48.079 that's like ripping people's hearts out, and it's not clear 2743 02:52:48.120 --> 02:52:50.040 if it's like like the movie doesn't make any sense, 2744 02:52:50.159 --> 02:52:52.879 but uh, it's got it's you know, it's got like that. 2745 02:52:53.120 --> 02:52:55.840 Uh it's got like that Predator to kind of aesthetic 2746 02:52:55.920 --> 02:52:58.079 where there's like just like tons of guns and just 2747 02:52:58.159 --> 02:53:04.000 like insanity like my my rout Grower guilty Pledgers. Split second. 2748 02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:07.280 Remember he did that movie Fatherland too. 2749 02:53:07.799 --> 02:53:13.079 Fatherland's actually dope. Like obviously like the uh, the the 2750 02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:16.120 Holocaust trope I is is kind of like the the 2751 02:53:16.239 --> 02:53:20.319 plot device is laying. But but that film's optics are 2752 02:53:20.360 --> 02:53:25.920 great and the uh administratively, the way like the Third 2753 02:53:26.000 --> 02:53:28.559 Rights organizing makes perfect sense. And that's why I like, 2754 02:53:28.680 --> 02:53:33.639 you know, he's he's a he's a creepo investigator, you know, 2755 02:53:33.920 --> 02:53:37.399 criminal politics, but he's uh he's got algamite SS rank 2756 02:53:37.559 --> 02:53:39.159 because like they're under the number of the s D 2757 02:53:39.520 --> 02:53:42.079 and like I and like when they're on the I 2758 02:53:42.280 --> 02:53:45.120 I find that very very cool man. Like, uh, you know, 2759 02:53:45.559 --> 02:53:47.280 he came out when I was in high school or 2760 02:53:47.360 --> 02:53:48.639 like just out of high school. I think it was 2761 02:53:48.680 --> 02:53:51.319 released in ninety four on HBO, And like I'd read 2762 02:53:51.360 --> 02:53:52.600 the book when it came out, and. 2763 02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:56.079 He was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 2764 02:53:56.959 --> 02:54:00.280 Right, He's done a bunch of weird stuff, man, Like 2765 02:54:00.360 --> 02:54:02.760 I said, it's the bloody heroes I saw in the theear. 2766 02:54:03.600 --> 02:54:06.399 It's uh, it's got Vincent's and off Rio and and 2767 02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:10.440 Hugh keys Burn And that's like that's like a nuclear war. 2768 02:54:12.120 --> 02:54:14.760 These gladiers they go found of talent playing this game. 2769 02:54:14.879 --> 02:54:17.840 That's like it's like pigskin football. But he's a dog 2770 02:54:17.959 --> 02:54:19.840 skull and you can like you know, you like gore 2771 02:54:19.959 --> 02:54:24.879 people with chains and stuff. Yeah. He he's uh, he's 2772 02:54:24.920 --> 02:54:26.799 a guy who definitely was not afraid to take like 2773 02:54:27.079 --> 02:54:28.920 take unusual scripts. Man. 2774 02:54:30.200 --> 02:54:32.360 In the same year in ninety four that he that 2775 02:54:32.440 --> 02:54:34.799 I think he did Fatherland. He did that movie with 2776 02:54:35.079 --> 02:54:36.479 Iced Tea Surviving the Game. 2777 02:54:36.959 --> 02:54:39.239 Yeah, that's that's that's that's when like they made up 2778 02:54:39.239 --> 02:54:41.239 they made a million one movies that were based on 2779 02:54:41.479 --> 02:54:43.760 like The Most Dangerous Game. There's like a Van Damn 2780 02:54:43.799 --> 02:54:46.959 movie that is the exact same plot where uh where 2781 02:54:47.040 --> 02:54:49.760 like these these these these guys like are hunting Van dam. 2782 02:54:51.360 --> 02:54:54.520 Yeah, well, all right, let's get out of here. What 2783 02:54:54.600 --> 02:54:59.280 do what do you got to plug? Oh? 2784 02:54:59.360 --> 02:54:59.520 Good? 2785 02:54:59.719 --> 02:55:04.200 Uh great episode introductory episode for season two. 2786 02:55:04.840 --> 02:55:06.799 No, thank you man. Yeah, Like I said, I'm I'm 2787 02:55:06.879 --> 02:55:11.399 pleased my workflow is actually getting moving. And again I 2788 02:55:11.520 --> 02:55:14.200 apologize man for shit being so I mean not just 2789 02:55:14.280 --> 02:55:16.360 to you, to like all the fricking sobs and everybody 2790 02:55:16.440 --> 02:55:19.319 watching this. This winner has been like hard on me man, 2791 02:55:19.360 --> 02:55:21.040 Like I'm not trying to play murder. I'm saying that's 2792 02:55:21.040 --> 02:55:25.440 why I like my workflow has been fubar. But you 2793 02:55:25.479 --> 02:55:28.000 can always find the kind of like one to stop 2794 02:55:28.799 --> 02:55:33.239 spot for my work product and my content is Thomas 2795 02:55:33.280 --> 02:55:36.600 seven seven seven dot com is number seven h O 2796 02:55:36.680 --> 02:55:39.360 A S seven seven seven dot com. You can find 2797 02:55:39.360 --> 02:55:44.680 me on X capital R E A L underscore number 2798 02:55:44.760 --> 02:55:49.440 seven h m A S seven seven seven and of 2799 02:55:49.479 --> 02:55:53.639 course substicks where the pot is and where my longer 2800 02:55:53.719 --> 02:55:57.399 form stuff is. And I'm gonna drop some I'm gonna 2801 02:55:57.479 --> 02:56:00.399 drop uh some stuff on there this week. People will 2802 02:56:00.920 --> 02:56:04.600 be intrigued by you. It's a real Thomas seven seven 2803 02:56:04.719 --> 02:56:10.040 seven substanct dot com. I am gonna populate my YouTube 2804 02:56:10.120 --> 02:56:12.879 channel with some video content. Well, like I said, man, 2805 02:56:12.920 --> 02:56:16.760 I've been this this winner has like been fucking really hard, 2806 02:56:17.520 --> 02:56:19.479 but I I am on the man. I'm gonna start 2807 02:56:19.520 --> 02:56:22.399 shooting in earnest in the next couple of weeks video content. 2808 02:56:22.440 --> 02:56:28.520 I mean awesome, man, Thank you very much. Yeah, I 2809 02:56:28.600 --> 02:56:31.879 want to welcome everyone back to the Pekana Show. I'm 2810 02:56:31.920 --> 02:56:35.399 here with Thomas and Arthur. Gentlemen, how are you doing today? 2811 02:56:36.399 --> 02:56:38.639 I'm well, man, thanks for thanks for hosting us. 2812 02:56:39.760 --> 02:56:41.360 Yeah, I'm great, Pete, thanks having me on. 2813 02:56:42.479 --> 02:56:47.040 Cool. So you guys went down to the d n C. 2814 02:56:47.680 --> 02:56:50.079 I saw you posted a lot of a lot of 2815 02:56:50.159 --> 02:56:53.079 video from it and uh, pictures and stuff like that, 2816 02:56:53.840 --> 02:56:59.360 and you'll live to tell the tale. So who wants 2817 02:56:59.399 --> 02:57:03.319 to start a out? You know what they what they noticed? 2818 02:57:03.360 --> 02:57:06.000 What what you got out of it? And I sound 2819 02:57:06.079 --> 02:57:08.239 like like you went to to camp or something like that. 2820 02:57:08.559 --> 02:57:10.319 You know what you what you guys get out of it? 2821 02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:12.479 Was it a good experience for the both of you? 2822 02:57:12.959 --> 02:57:15.719 But yeah, either one of you just start talking. 2823 02:57:15.879 --> 02:57:17.479 And I'm kind of a clown. Every day is kind 2824 02:57:17.479 --> 02:57:19.360 of like the fucking circus of my life, man, Like 2825 02:57:20.479 --> 02:57:24.559 you know, like the I'm I'm probly okay with it. 2826 02:57:25.959 --> 02:57:29.120 The big thing I noticed and uh, I'm gonna give 2827 02:57:29.120 --> 02:57:31.559 you over to time in a minute. I won't talk long. 2828 02:57:34.159 --> 02:57:38.319 I mean the point of people that, uh there was 2829 02:57:38.360 --> 02:57:40.879 basically like no presence of hair supporters on the ground, 2830 02:57:41.479 --> 02:57:45.559 and people who are obviously like Harris Shills started like 2831 02:57:45.639 --> 02:57:48.440 mobbing some of my platforms, like oh well at a convention, 2832 02:57:48.600 --> 02:57:50.159 that's not what happens. I'm like no, no, no, no, 2833 02:57:50.200 --> 02:57:54.559 no no no. Like in Chicago, which unfortunately is like 2834 02:57:54.680 --> 02:57:58.079 ground zero for for for like DNC support, it just 2835 02:57:58.280 --> 02:58:04.000 is okay, you get bodies in the street when something 2836 02:58:04.079 --> 02:58:07.079 like this happens. And like missus Clinton, who was like 2837 02:58:07.159 --> 02:58:10.879 a dud of a candidate, including here, Like I mean 2838 02:58:11.280 --> 02:58:14.520 she had like a fucking presence on the ground, okay, Like, uh, 2839 02:58:16.760 --> 02:58:20.000 that's so like when the DNC is literally being held here, 2840 02:58:20.559 --> 02:58:22.920 Like people telling me like, oh that doesn't mean anything 2841 02:58:23.000 --> 02:58:25.879 that missus Harris's people run on the ground. That's fucking retarded. Okay, 2842 02:58:25.959 --> 02:58:30.040 that's not how it works. And secondly, it's like everybody 2843 02:58:30.079 --> 02:58:32.959 else was there. You had these like goofy like commedies, 2844 02:58:33.239 --> 02:58:35.200 like guys who actually claim to be communists. I mean, 2845 02:58:35.239 --> 02:58:37.319 it's something that goes on here. You had a bunch 2846 02:58:37.360 --> 02:58:41.239 of like Zionists, like like Jew counter protesters there. You know, 2847 02:58:41.360 --> 02:58:45.159 you had uh, you had these kind of crazy like 2848 02:58:45.280 --> 02:58:48.639 social justice types who weren't really I mean they seem 2849 02:58:48.719 --> 02:58:50.680 kind of like this kind of stuff they were saying 2850 02:58:50.719 --> 02:58:52.200 and like the kind of lit they were handing out, 2851 02:58:53.479 --> 02:58:55.440 like it didn't really make any sense. It was like, 2852 02:58:55.559 --> 02:58:58.680 you know, we're like LGBTQ people who like opposed is 2853 02:58:58.680 --> 02:59:01.399 really genocide. I'm like, man, I'm like Palestinians hate you 2854 02:59:01.479 --> 02:59:04.799 fucking people, you know, like they It's like you're not. 2855 02:59:05.239 --> 02:59:06.479 It's like if you you know, it's like I'm not 2856 02:59:06.559 --> 02:59:08.079 gonna like tell you not to if you want to, 2857 02:59:08.159 --> 02:59:11.000 like if you want to be down on Israel and 2858 02:59:11.079 --> 02:59:15.079 critique the sort of structure that sustains it, but it's 2859 02:59:15.120 --> 02:59:17.200 like you don't. It's like they thing that like Palestine 2860 02:59:17.280 --> 02:59:19.079 is like full of like black people and these rails 2861 02:59:19.079 --> 02:59:22.120 are like mean cops or something. It's they don't really understand. 2862 02:59:23.159 --> 02:59:26.879 But as Tom will tell you, and like if they 2863 02:59:26.920 --> 02:59:28.639 were here, like the other guys and girls who were 2864 02:59:28.639 --> 02:59:31.959 with us, I saw all of like two hair supporters, 2865 02:59:32.319 --> 02:59:34.079 Like one time I was walking to McDonald's cause they 2866 02:59:34.079 --> 02:59:36.399 needed like across the streets Union Park I needed to 2867 02:59:36.440 --> 02:59:38.000 take a week and I needed a bottle of water. 2868 02:59:38.079 --> 02:59:39.639 I got to be crude, but that's what it was. 2869 02:59:41.200 --> 02:59:44.000 There was like this obviously like lesbian couple, and they 2870 02:59:44.040 --> 02:59:46.239 tried to hand me like a Harris flyer and I'm like, nah, 2871 02:59:46.280 --> 02:59:49.479 I'm good. And then, uh, when we were coming out 2872 02:59:49.520 --> 02:59:52.479 of the Billy Go Tevern where we went to kind 2873 02:59:52.479 --> 02:59:56.719 of cool off adjacent Union Park, this like black lady 2874 02:59:57.120 --> 02:59:59.840 who looked all like really down and out and like 2875 02:59:59.879 --> 03:00:03.159 a wheelchair, she just like handed us like a flyer. 2876 03:00:03.239 --> 03:00:04.840 And I didn't even look at it until like a 2877 03:00:04.879 --> 03:00:07.440 minute later. It was like, my hair is fucking That 2878 03:00:07.559 --> 03:00:09.879 was literally the only presence like Harris's people out on 2879 03:00:09.920 --> 03:00:12.319 the ground. I'm not I'm not making that up. If 2880 03:00:12.360 --> 03:00:15.120 they were like mob deep, I would say that, yeah, 2881 03:00:15.360 --> 03:00:17.840 that's what's Han talk and give his kind of impressions. 2882 03:00:18.239 --> 03:00:20.520 He's the one who's talking that video and footage. 2883 03:00:20.520 --> 03:00:26.840 By the way, Yeah, you know I went down because uh, 2884 03:00:27.399 --> 03:00:30.680 well obviously I believe I could say I'm a nationalist, 2885 03:00:30.879 --> 03:00:33.680 you know, far writer. I've been a fan of Thomas 2886 03:00:33.760 --> 03:00:36.399 for a while and and every time he posted a 2887 03:00:36.479 --> 03:00:38.280 meet up, I think for the past year or so, 2888 03:00:38.399 --> 03:00:41.639 I've been to it, and he posted one to go 2889 03:00:41.799 --> 03:00:43.760 to the d n C. I was like, that sounds interesting. 2890 03:00:44.280 --> 03:00:46.760 So I traveled out there, and I had some uh 2891 03:00:47.840 --> 03:00:52.520 I had bought. Coincidentally, I had bought some extra filmmaking equipment, 2892 03:00:52.959 --> 03:00:55.879 you know, like a tripod, like a selfie stick that 2893 03:00:56.760 --> 03:01:01.440 acts as a sort of like steady cam, a microphone, 2894 03:01:01.440 --> 03:01:03.680 and a few other things, and I was like, oh, well, 2895 03:01:04.159 --> 03:01:07.399 while I'm down there, I can help you take footage 2896 03:01:07.440 --> 03:01:09.280 and pictures and things like that. 2897 03:01:10.600 --> 03:01:10.799 Yeah. 2898 03:01:10.840 --> 03:01:15.879 So, you know, prior to going, i'd remembered in detail 2899 03:01:16.280 --> 03:01:21.360 the riots that had proceeded from twenty fourteen onwards. Really, 2900 03:01:21.680 --> 03:01:25.239 but you know, I remember Portland and the Battle of 2901 03:01:25.319 --> 03:01:29.440 Berkeley and all those other things, the actual riots. I'm 2902 03:01:29.479 --> 03:01:33.159 from around New York City. I remember the riots down there, 2903 03:01:33.200 --> 03:01:36.719 and I was really prepared for action. It's like, even 2904 03:01:36.760 --> 03:01:39.360 if there aren't that many Democrats and Harror supporters out there, 2905 03:01:39.440 --> 03:01:42.239 I'm sure the Soros and Tifa types will be out. 2906 03:01:43.120 --> 03:01:47.559 I'm sure there'll be people who are just there to 2907 03:01:48.639 --> 03:01:50.719 you know, watch the world burn essentially. So it was 2908 03:01:50.760 --> 03:01:53.200 prepped for action. But as I got down there there, 2909 03:01:53.319 --> 03:01:56.280 there really wasn't much going on there. Are people there. 2910 03:01:56.840 --> 03:02:01.239 As Thomas said, there's a big march. The first day 2911 03:02:01.239 --> 03:02:04.000 we were there and we watched the march past. I 2912 03:02:04.120 --> 03:02:07.120 think they had marched from the Union Center, but as 2913 03:02:07.159 --> 03:02:09.040 soon as they got into the park they started doing 2914 03:02:09.040 --> 03:02:13.120 all these speeches on the Philippines and you know, queer 2915 03:02:13.280 --> 03:02:15.799 rights and all these other things that just didn't make 2916 03:02:15.799 --> 03:02:19.200 any sense. There were tons of different groups there. Everybody's 2917 03:02:19.280 --> 03:02:22.760 message muddled. And one of the guys we were with, 2918 03:02:23.760 --> 03:02:27.319 friend of ours, him and I if she walked around 2919 03:02:27.399 --> 03:02:31.280 the Union Center. We were just looking for this place 2920 03:02:31.360 --> 03:02:33.479 to meet up with a few people, and that place 2921 03:02:33.639 --> 03:02:36.600 was locked down. That they were like concrete jersey barriers 2922 03:02:36.639 --> 03:02:39.559 their fences. There were all these I took. I took 2923 03:02:39.600 --> 03:02:43.159 a quite funny picture that said d n C enter here, 2924 03:02:43.239 --> 03:02:45.239 and then right next to it it says do not enter. 2925 03:02:46.079 --> 03:02:49.760 But even all the DNC participants we passed, I threw 2926 03:02:49.799 --> 03:02:52.719 up the hanging loose signed to everybody that passed, just 2927 03:02:52.760 --> 03:02:54.719 to see what they do. I think I got like 2928 03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:58.520 two returns. One of our friend tried to high five 2929 03:02:58.600 --> 03:03:02.079 a bunch of them. I think he got like one 2930 03:03:02.159 --> 03:03:06.200 high five back. Even when you were kind of screwing around, 2931 03:03:06.559 --> 03:03:08.680 just you know, saying kind of wacky stuff just to 2932 03:03:08.760 --> 03:03:12.280 get a response, and everybody there wasn't even any anger. 2933 03:03:12.360 --> 03:03:14.120 There was nothing. They just kind of it was just like. 2934 03:03:14.200 --> 03:03:18.440 Joyless apathy, man, like it like the uh, you know, 2935 03:03:18.479 --> 03:03:21.319 everybody's everybody asks again Tifa is like or like these 2936 03:03:21.440 --> 03:03:24.319 bad dudes or like they were it's like nineteen ninety two, 2937 03:03:24.559 --> 03:03:27.319 like when you had you know, when they were drawing 2938 03:03:27.639 --> 03:03:30.879 like gang bangers and stuff to like beef up their 2939 03:03:32.000 --> 03:03:34.399 their depth and stuff, and we're like stomping people out 2940 03:03:34.440 --> 03:03:37.280 at shows like it. These guys are complete fucking pussies, man, 2941 03:03:37.319 --> 03:03:40.239 and it's like totally fake and like none of that, 2942 03:03:40.440 --> 03:03:42.520 none of them even fucking showed up. I didn't see 2943 03:03:42.520 --> 03:03:44.600 one dude. Like people don't even talk shit to us 2944 03:03:44.639 --> 03:03:46.879 when we were like flying like swastikas and shit, like 2945 03:03:47.159 --> 03:03:50.959 it's you know, like there was some there was like 2946 03:03:51.040 --> 03:03:54.479 some languid fucking get out of here, fuck you your nasties, 2947 03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:58.040 but like nobody like nobody was doing anything, you know 2948 03:03:58.079 --> 03:04:00.520 what I mean. There was Yeah, there was like there 2949 03:04:00.600 --> 03:04:03.879 was a Palestinian guys or like Masm guys who were 2950 03:04:03.920 --> 03:04:06.920 like in BDUs with like Hezebla like badges who are 2951 03:04:06.920 --> 03:04:09.280 like kind of meant mugging people and like look pretty serious. 2952 03:04:09.719 --> 03:04:11.520 But I mean they were basically there because it's there's 2953 03:04:11.559 --> 03:04:14.479 like this prayer vigil like females, and I mean like 2954 03:04:14.559 --> 03:04:16.520 they were there basically you just to like be seen 2955 03:04:16.639 --> 03:04:19.159 and like keep people off of like their people. But 2956 03:04:19.280 --> 03:04:22.680 like there was no I I was getting a hit 2957 03:04:22.760 --> 03:04:25.719 with like all these messages on you know, like social 2958 03:04:25.840 --> 03:04:28.079 media and stuff like oh you're gonna get all you're 2959 03:04:28.079 --> 03:04:30.559 ass kicked. I'm like, dude, I look at chicag. I'm 2960 03:04:30.600 --> 03:04:33.360 not afraid of like fucking in TIFA. Like that's not 2961 03:04:33.680 --> 03:04:36.840 like this scary thing to us. When his motherfuckers showed 2962 03:04:36.920 --> 03:04:39.200 up too, Like when BLM showed up, like people fucking 2963 03:04:39.280 --> 03:04:41.719 literally like through shots at them, you know, like like 2964 03:04:42.200 --> 03:04:44.280 because because it's like you're not gonna invader a hood. 2965 03:04:44.959 --> 03:04:46.200 You know, like that's not happening. 2966 03:04:46.799 --> 03:04:46.959 You know. 2967 03:04:47.159 --> 03:04:49.399 So this idea that like oh, well black people and 2968 03:04:49.600 --> 03:04:52.520 like Hispanics just love BLM, it's like nobody's into it. Shit, man, 2969 03:04:52.639 --> 03:04:56.520 It's it's got like I remember my buddy, our friend 2970 03:04:56.559 --> 03:04:58.319 who was with us, you know the place, like you know, 2971 03:04:58.399 --> 03:05:01.360 BLMS like entire endowment like disappeared and like nobody even 2972 03:05:01.399 --> 03:05:04.840 knows where it went. Like this isn't like a real organization, 2973 03:05:05.440 --> 03:05:07.280 and like one of them ladies that they put out 2974 03:05:07.319 --> 03:05:09.680 fraud is like the director of BLM, just some my 2975 03:05:09.760 --> 03:05:13.719 career NGO person who's like like, there's nothing organic about 2976 03:05:13.760 --> 03:05:16.959 this at all, And there's nothing organic about Antifa. Like 2977 03:05:17.040 --> 03:05:21.319 those guys who those guys who who were in the 2978 03:05:21.399 --> 03:05:24.280 house dropped, like one of them was some dude on 2979 03:05:24.399 --> 03:05:27.799 bond for like molesting kids. Like the other guy he 2980 03:05:27.959 --> 03:05:31.559 was something like a homeless dude, and the last like 2981 03:05:31.680 --> 03:05:33.760 the last real like record of doing anything he got 2982 03:05:33.799 --> 03:05:35.799 picked up or like beating his wife or something. It 2983 03:05:36.040 --> 03:05:38.959 was like it's like homeless dudes, and like Kiddy Touchers, 2984 03:05:38.959 --> 03:05:41.079 they're just like showing up in Kenosha, like get the 2985 03:05:41.120 --> 03:05:41.639 fuck out of. 2986 03:05:41.600 --> 03:05:43.440 Here that there's a joke. 2987 03:05:43.520 --> 03:05:46.319 He could fire three bullets into a leftist crowd, hit 2988 03:05:46.360 --> 03:05:48.360 two pedophiles and a domestic abuser. 2989 03:05:48.879 --> 03:05:51.200 Yeah, and they're all like, I mean it's obvious too. 2990 03:05:51.319 --> 03:05:54.399 It's like it's like when uh, it's like Kevin mc 2991 03:05:55.159 --> 03:05:57.239 it's the same thing as like Kevin McDonald pointed out 2992 03:05:57.280 --> 03:06:01.040 in like twenty eleven when like the Nash socialist movement, 2993 03:06:01.239 --> 03:06:04.520 like guys nobody'd ever met, nobody ever heard of. There's 2994 03:06:04.559 --> 03:06:07.360 something who's like showing up everywhere with like a news crew, 2995 03:06:07.719 --> 03:06:09.879 and it's like this is the far right, it's resurgence 2996 03:06:10.159 --> 03:06:13.079 and Kenvick Donald's like who are these guys? These guys 2997 03:06:13.159 --> 03:06:15.559 are just like independently wealthy guys who can fly all 2998 03:06:15.559 --> 03:06:18.200 over the country without going to work, and like they 2999 03:06:18.600 --> 03:06:20.840 they just like to dress up in Nazi uniforms, like 3000 03:06:20.959 --> 03:06:23.959 that's their thing. Are they all millionaires? You know? It's 3001 03:06:24.000 --> 03:06:26.319 like yeah, it's like where are these guys coming from? 3002 03:06:26.440 --> 03:06:28.600 Just like random guys or just like going to Kenosha, 3003 03:06:28.959 --> 03:06:31.440 Like why would you go to Kenosha? Like you know, 3004 03:06:31.559 --> 03:06:32.959 like that makes no sense. 3005 03:06:34.040 --> 03:06:37.280 Funny thing about about the DNS, about the d NC 3006 03:06:37.479 --> 03:06:41.319 protests as well, is that sure every everybody had seen 3007 03:06:41.360 --> 03:06:45.280 they got pretty popular. Zorin Sultanas shout out to him. 3008 03:06:46.440 --> 03:06:48.120 He was the guy he had He was the one 3009 03:06:48.159 --> 03:06:51.559 who actually was carrying the reights flag running around with it. 3010 03:06:51.600 --> 03:06:53.000 But he was also the dude with the heads full 3011 03:06:53.040 --> 03:06:56.200 of flag outside of the DNC entrance away. But that 3012 03:06:56.360 --> 03:06:59.799 the whole crew that was there, the thugshakers, It was 3013 03:06:59.840 --> 03:07:04.280 like all themselves, but like the the Nazi with fascism girl. 3014 03:07:04.319 --> 03:07:06.719 I think that the check with purple hair who just 3015 03:07:06.840 --> 03:07:09.440 had like the you know signs with all the racial 3016 03:07:09.479 --> 03:07:12.440 slurs on them. Uh. The dude he dressed up like 3017 03:07:12.520 --> 03:07:16.639 a Stalfo, the anime character with the nosbole flag, like 3018 03:07:17.319 --> 03:07:20.680 all those kind of guys. They actually met up with 3019 03:07:20.760 --> 03:07:22.799 those guys and on the last day we were there, 3020 03:07:23.600 --> 03:07:26.600 they had kind of as a protester gathering, like a 3021 03:07:26.639 --> 03:07:30.440 bunch of us, myself included. Uh, I just started like 3022 03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:32.520 going to the middle of the protests, like, you know, 3023 03:07:32.719 --> 03:07:37.239 just saying wild stuff. I think even like I think 3024 03:07:37.319 --> 03:07:40.399 Thomas posted one of the videos, like the dude dressed 3025 03:07:40.479 --> 03:07:43.879 up like the anime character is like yeah, Kamala Harris, 3026 03:07:43.920 --> 03:07:45.719 I want you to molest me, and just kind of 3027 03:07:45.799 --> 03:07:49.840 wild stuff. But like nobody even tried to attack us 3028 03:07:49.920 --> 03:07:52.200 or stop us at all. Like when we started doing that, 3029 03:07:52.520 --> 03:07:54.840 what happened is everybody bought their cameras out and they 3030 03:07:54.879 --> 03:07:58.239 started recording, and then then they didn't even try to 3031 03:07:59.600 --> 03:08:01.440 and then to try to stop us, put her hands 3032 03:08:01.440 --> 03:08:03.200 of us, and they didn't even shout us down. 3033 03:08:03.639 --> 03:08:05.840 It's one of the lady. I don't know if you 3034 03:08:05.920 --> 03:08:09.079 were there, like our other friend was there. It's like 3035 03:08:09.200 --> 03:08:12.040 obviously like Jewish lady. And she introduced herself. I'm not 3036 03:08:12.079 --> 03:08:13.559 gonna like say her name, but I mean she had 3037 03:08:13.600 --> 03:08:15.840 like an obviously like like ethnic surname. And I'm not 3038 03:08:15.920 --> 03:08:18.159 just like being a dick, like, oh, she loved Jewish. 3039 03:08:19.399 --> 03:08:19.840 Interviewed you. 3040 03:08:20.120 --> 03:08:23.479 Yeah, and she seemed to think like flicans or something, 3041 03:08:23.520 --> 03:08:25.440 and she's like are you proud to be an American? 3042 03:08:25.479 --> 03:08:26.959 And I'm like why would have you try to be 3043 03:08:27.000 --> 03:08:28.920 an American? And I'm like I got like white pride 3044 03:08:28.959 --> 03:08:31.520 all day, you know, I like I'm proud of some 3045 03:08:31.600 --> 03:08:34.319 other things in my life. But you know, and she's 3046 03:08:34.440 --> 03:08:36.520 like she seemed like shocked, and I'm like, yeah, I'm 3047 03:08:36.559 --> 03:08:38.440 like I like you're going to vote for I'm like 3048 03:08:38.479 --> 03:08:39.719 the first Ti'm I gonna make the fella. And I 3049 03:08:39.879 --> 03:08:41.840 can't really vote nationally, you know, like I voute local 3050 03:08:41.879 --> 03:08:45.239 way to keep like, you know, because there's a lot 3051 03:08:45.280 --> 03:08:47.360 of machine type judges who've got to be kept off 3052 03:08:47.440 --> 03:08:49.799 the bench. But it's it's like I was like speaking 3053 03:08:49.920 --> 03:08:51.399 Chinese or something. You know, It's like what do you 3054 03:08:51.440 --> 03:08:53.040 want me to say? Like go through up like you know, 3055 03:08:53.120 --> 03:08:56.079 I love gd bits like missus Harris was a Marxist, 3056 03:08:56.200 --> 03:08:57.600 Like what what did she think I was gonna say? 3057 03:08:58.200 --> 03:08:58.840 And I think I was. 3058 03:09:00.079 --> 03:09:02.159 I was like a British free course shirt and like 3059 03:09:02.239 --> 03:09:05.000 some crazy fucking pants. You know, it's not it's like okay, 3060 03:09:05.079 --> 03:09:06.440 I mean it's like you look at me and make 3061 03:09:06.479 --> 03:09:10.440 me feel like a Republican. It's like a yeah. It 3062 03:09:10.559 --> 03:09:11.040 was just weird. 3063 03:09:11.120 --> 03:09:14.079 And the whole thing was there was also that like 3064 03:09:14.239 --> 03:09:17.399 hood black dude that's with like a grill in and 3065 03:09:17.639 --> 03:09:19.639 he had like chains and stuff, just came up and 3066 03:09:19.879 --> 03:09:20.760 started an interview, and. 3067 03:09:21.399 --> 03:09:25.239 That of random too. Yeah yeah, hood dude. He's like, yeah, 3068 03:09:25.280 --> 03:09:27.479 can I interview you guys? And we're like yeah, Like 3069 03:09:27.600 --> 03:09:30.479 his his question seemed kind of more like just like 3070 03:09:30.520 --> 03:09:33.000 a run of the mill, like like journalism student questions 3071 03:09:33.000 --> 03:09:35.520 and stuff like that. One lady she's like trying to 3072 03:09:35.559 --> 03:09:37.760 get me to like say some crazy stuff like you know, 3073 03:09:38.239 --> 03:09:40.399 I think niggers and mister Trump is great or so, 3074 03:09:40.559 --> 03:09:41.920 like I don't know what she was going for. 3075 03:09:42.520 --> 03:09:46.559 Like the protests themselves, because that's really where we were at, 3076 03:09:46.760 --> 03:09:50.879 got like super muddled. Obviously, we had the you know 3077 03:09:50.959 --> 03:09:54.840 you'd have like every stripe of leftist, Like our friend 3078 03:09:54.879 --> 03:09:58.239 who's familiar with those groups, are joking that, like, we're 3079 03:09:58.280 --> 03:10:02.959 not the Revolutionary com of America with a revolutionary American Communists, 3080 03:10:03.360 --> 03:10:06.159 but like we have an interview to guy, I think 3081 03:10:06.200 --> 03:10:08.559 a couple of people with like groups, and they just 3082 03:10:08.639 --> 03:10:11.680 gave us this kind of boilerplate Trotzky and stuff. But 3083 03:10:11.799 --> 03:10:14.440 like the last day we were there, there was like 3084 03:10:14.520 --> 03:10:16.319 a couple of people who came out who were like, 3085 03:10:17.159 --> 03:10:20.639 it's like America first, there's the American Nationalists and they 3086 03:10:20.639 --> 03:10:24.559 were just like, yeah, we don't support Palestine or Israel, 3087 03:10:24.680 --> 03:10:26.959 and we're here for American patriotism and. 3088 03:10:27.159 --> 03:10:31.239 Just they were just yeah, I thought, I thought those 3089 03:10:31.280 --> 03:10:33.920 guys were like they were they were like trying to 3090 03:10:33.959 --> 03:10:36.159 get smoke from the crowd. Thought I thought, those guys 3091 03:10:36.159 --> 03:10:38.840 are gonna get the rasses kick. I remember one black 3092 03:10:38.920 --> 03:10:41.520 guy who was with them, like my one friend that 3093 03:10:41.680 --> 03:10:43.920 my friend who was with us, He's like, you think 3094 03:10:43.959 --> 03:10:46.079 that guys like stolen val and I'm looking at him. 3095 03:10:46.559 --> 03:10:48.440 He was probably a little younger than me, but he 3096 03:10:48.520 --> 03:10:51.440 had he had like an eighty second Airborne bad John. 3097 03:10:52.200 --> 03:10:53.319 Then he had like a bunch of shit that like 3098 03:10:53.360 --> 03:10:55.280 didn't make sense, like I think he had like jump 3099 03:10:55.360 --> 03:10:58.079 wings on, which made sense. Then he had like he 3100 03:10:58.159 --> 03:11:00.920 had like the fourth recon like fucking like Scooba mask 3101 03:11:01.040 --> 03:11:02.719 or something, and then like a bunch of other ship 3102 03:11:03.719 --> 03:11:05.319 and uh, I'm like I don't know, but he was 3103 03:11:05.399 --> 03:11:07.639 like he was like Tawnic a bunch of the people 3104 03:11:07.680 --> 03:11:09.840 and like the crowd they gathered around him and the 3105 03:11:09.920 --> 03:11:11.719 like when they started like moving in, I'm like, Okay, 3106 03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:14.079 that guy's gonna get fucking stopped. He doesn't fucking stop 3107 03:11:14.159 --> 03:11:17.200 saying that dumb ship. But it was it was weird. Yeah. Yeah, 3108 03:11:17.280 --> 03:11:20.000 those guys just like Someddy show up like we live America. 3109 03:11:20.120 --> 03:11:23.200 It's like you're a fucking idiot. But yeah, it was 3110 03:11:23.399 --> 03:11:25.719 uh and it was like in Congress, it's like what 3111 03:11:25.799 --> 03:11:27.200 do you Yeah, it's not even like there was some 3112 03:11:27.280 --> 03:11:30.680 big mob, but like like Palestinians like marching and they're 3113 03:11:30.680 --> 03:11:32.440 like fuck you, we love America. Just got to know 3114 03:11:32.559 --> 03:11:36.600 these guys suddenly like show up and uh it's like 3115 03:11:36.680 --> 03:11:40.079 the you know, it's like who exactly were dressing here? Man? 3116 03:11:40.159 --> 03:11:45.159 It's like you, I mean, it's not exactly receptive. Uh 3117 03:11:46.280 --> 03:11:48.200 a receptive mob that was on. Like the whole thing 3118 03:11:48.319 --> 03:11:49.520 was like weird. Man. It was like it was just 3119 03:11:49.600 --> 03:11:52.680 like weird, you know, like what it wasn't what I 3120 03:11:52.719 --> 03:11:54.760 thought it would either be. I thought that it would 3121 03:11:54.799 --> 03:11:58.120 either be like d NC people and these uh like 3122 03:11:58.239 --> 03:12:00.920 bee on An Antifa types got busted in like mod Deep, 3123 03:12:01.000 --> 03:12:03.239 or I thought there'd be like nobody there. Like what 3124 03:12:03.319 --> 03:12:05.360 there was was like I didn't expect it and it 3125 03:12:05.440 --> 03:12:06.000 was really weird. 3126 03:12:07.040 --> 03:12:13.000 So besides the the people who are obviously invited to 3127 03:12:13.719 --> 03:12:18.040 the convention, they who are you know, they're they're there, 3128 03:12:18.120 --> 03:12:21.600 They're going to be there no matter what. There's no 3129 03:12:21.840 --> 03:12:26.079 grassroots whatsoever. There's no one there. There's no fans of 3130 03:12:26.360 --> 03:12:29.639 Kamala Harris, there's no fans of Joe Biden. There's no 3131 03:12:29.879 --> 03:12:33.200 fans of the regime. Whereas you know, at the at 3132 03:12:33.239 --> 03:12:38.200 the convention, even in in Wisconsin, even if you or 3133 03:12:38.360 --> 03:12:39.959 was it Minnesota, I can't remember where the hell the 3134 03:12:40.079 --> 03:12:46.200 RNC one was. The Yeah, you would have had people 3135 03:12:46.360 --> 03:12:49.799 outside who couldn't get in because you know, they're not invited, 3136 03:12:49.840 --> 03:12:52.520 but they would be there to support Trump or there 3137 03:12:52.559 --> 03:12:53.840 would be protesters there. 3138 03:12:54.239 --> 03:12:56.760 Well, I've tried to explain to people, especially these guys, 3139 03:12:56.879 --> 03:13:00.079 and look, man, I'm not I'm very much a dissident. Man. 3140 03:13:00.159 --> 03:13:02.719 I'm not saying that pretend like I'm tough for like 3141 03:13:03.040 --> 03:13:04.719 or anything like that. It's just like a fact they 3142 03:13:04.719 --> 03:13:06.840 don't like engage with this stuff. I don't index with. 3143 03:13:08.559 --> 03:13:11.959 But Kamala Harris is literally this like random lady, like 3144 03:13:12.079 --> 03:13:14.719 you can't. The way campaigning works, you basically got to 3145 03:13:14.799 --> 03:13:16.840 hustle twenty four to seven. It's like we got to 3146 03:13:16.879 --> 03:13:19.479 be your full time job with no breaks on Saturdays 3147 03:13:19.520 --> 03:13:22.520 and Sundays, and you gotta do it for years. Some 3148 03:13:22.639 --> 03:13:25.680 of this harror is basically being this like people like, oh, 3149 03:13:25.719 --> 03:13:27.600 but she was a senator. There they're there, there's there's 3150 03:13:27.680 --> 03:13:30.719 fifty fucking senators. Okay, like you've got to. You've got to. 3151 03:13:31.200 --> 03:13:34.200 You've got a campaign like coast to coast and barnstorm. 3152 03:13:34.399 --> 03:13:36.280 You should have been doing this for two years. Okay. 3153 03:13:36.440 --> 03:13:41.600 First of all, it's not possible. You can be invisible, 3154 03:13:41.680 --> 03:13:45.959 an invisible vice president like she was, and then replace 3155 03:13:46.079 --> 03:13:50.200 the actual nominee months in and then suddenly be like 3156 03:13:50.319 --> 03:13:55.520 pulling you know, uh, like over fifty percent. And today 3157 03:13:55.520 --> 03:13:58.040 it's that like back Trump in twenty sixteen, Like that 3158 03:13:58.120 --> 03:14:03.360 doesn't happen. That's not possible. You know now branded I 3159 03:14:03.399 --> 03:14:07.399 mean the point before my Twitter got exploded and nine's sixty, 3160 03:14:08.559 --> 03:14:10.840 Kennedy was drawing these like mass crowds, Like the dude 3161 03:14:10.920 --> 03:14:13.239 was like Mick Jagger, like like not to be crude. 3162 03:14:13.319 --> 03:14:15.239 Like women would literally get like excited and like a 3163 03:14:15.319 --> 03:14:18.319 porniye over him. You know, people like like girls to 3164 03:14:18.440 --> 03:14:21.799 be streaming. You'd have like all these like everybody from 3165 03:14:21.879 --> 03:14:24.159 like old people to like these like tough Irish guys 3166 03:14:24.239 --> 03:14:26.639 to like little kids were like, yeah, we love Kennedy, 3167 03:14:26.959 --> 03:14:29.120 and like Nixon had show up somewhere and they'd be 3168 03:14:29.159 --> 03:14:32.479 basically like nobody there, Sonny. The Kennedy's campaign is like this, 3169 03:14:32.639 --> 03:14:35.680 this guy shit Nixon isn't nobody, like, don't even worry 3170 03:14:35.719 --> 03:14:39.760 about it. But then come like election day, it's like 3171 03:14:39.799 --> 03:14:42.440 a dead heat, okay, and that's why people an advanced 3172 03:14:42.479 --> 03:14:45.760 like Kennedy fixed Chicago, which he probably did. But my 3173 03:14:45.840 --> 03:14:47.680 point is that it's like, okay, fine, you can't always 3174 03:14:47.680 --> 03:14:50.440 tell by like bodies in the street, but I'm telling 3175 03:14:50.520 --> 03:14:54.600 you and missus Harris is like this like super candidate 3176 03:14:55.440 --> 03:14:58.399 without campaigning is like drawing like all this fucking support 3177 03:14:58.840 --> 03:15:01.360 and like black people think she's just great. You would 3178 03:15:01.360 --> 03:15:03.079 have had a lot of fucking people on the ground 3179 03:15:03.120 --> 03:15:05.639 in Chicago. If nowhere else, you would have had a 3180 03:15:05.680 --> 03:15:07.799 lot of people on the ground here, I guarantee you. 3181 03:15:08.959 --> 03:15:12.120 Well, even like a more recent example, your flashback, I think, 3182 03:15:12.200 --> 03:15:15.680 especially the twenty sixteen even like Bernie Sanders had a 3183 03:15:15.719 --> 03:15:18.200 lot of on the ground support from kind of a 3184 03:15:18.239 --> 03:15:22.280 wide range of the occupied type people. 3185 03:15:23.600 --> 03:15:26.600 Because Clinton was a terrible candidate, but you still had 3186 03:15:26.639 --> 03:15:30.000 like the diehards like showing up at her campaign stops, 3187 03:15:30.680 --> 03:15:33.360 you know, and the d n C. You know, like 3188 03:15:33.520 --> 03:15:36.239 it's it was like like her old campaign was like 3189 03:15:36.440 --> 03:15:39.360 media fakery, but she did have some actual like people 3190 03:15:39.399 --> 03:15:40.920 on the ground to show up to backer. 3191 03:15:41.559 --> 03:15:45.840 You know. Obama, Obama too, Like the two thousand and 3192 03:15:45.840 --> 03:15:49.959 eight inauguration, like the most attended inauguration of all time. 3193 03:15:50.200 --> 03:15:53.559 Well why because Washington, d C is overwhelmingly black, and 3194 03:15:53.639 --> 03:15:57.639 everyone showed. They all came out and there was even 3195 03:15:57.719 --> 03:16:00.520 though he was even though he was a candidate that 3196 03:16:00.799 --> 03:16:04.879 was set up to be in that spot, he legitimately 3197 03:16:05.000 --> 03:16:06.239 had grassroots support. 3198 03:16:06.440 --> 03:16:09.399 It's also Obama like fake is a sentence. He was 3199 03:16:09.639 --> 03:16:13.280 that dude was campaigning basically for four years, you know, 3200 03:16:13.520 --> 03:16:16.440 like it h he started campaigning, like the moment he 3201 03:16:16.520 --> 03:16:20.120 ran against Bobby rush here and got beat, then he's like, okay, 3202 03:16:20.159 --> 03:16:23.280 I gotta change my whole program. And he basically, yeah, 3203 03:16:23.319 --> 03:16:27.680 he had advantages because like CNNMSNBC, you know back then, 3204 03:16:27.920 --> 03:16:29.799 like legacy media, radio, like. 3205 03:16:31.399 --> 03:16:35.040 Yeah, two thousand and four convention, Yeah yeah, yeah. 3206 03:16:35.319 --> 03:16:37.639 Yeah, they they plug the shit out of him. But 3207 03:16:37.760 --> 03:16:42.600 he also was campaigning NonStop for four years. Okay, like 3208 03:16:42.799 --> 03:16:47.079 missus Harris, she can just like like like basically like 3209 03:16:47.120 --> 03:16:49.479 one hundred and twenty days out like from the election, 3210 03:16:50.040 --> 03:16:53.360 she can just like declare herself a candidate, not campaign 3211 03:16:53.600 --> 03:16:56.760 and she's like just like dominating the polls. That's not possible, 3212 03:16:57.040 --> 03:16:58.000 that's not how it works. 3213 03:16:59.719 --> 03:17:02.639 Yeah, and we saw in real time that happened. We 3214 03:17:02.719 --> 03:17:06.079 were saying, you know, we screwed a little bit with 3215 03:17:06.239 --> 03:17:12.360 the d n C attendees, but we're really what we 3216 03:17:12.479 --> 03:17:14.280 were trying to do is just to see how they react. 3217 03:17:14.319 --> 03:17:17.639 And there was just all these low energy people, people 3218 03:17:17.879 --> 03:17:21.959 just kind of you know, we didn't get any violent reactions, 3219 03:17:22.000 --> 03:17:24.440 we didn't get any confrontations. We didn't even get anyone 3220 03:17:25.040 --> 03:17:27.559 trying to like joke along with us or anything. Everybody 3221 03:17:27.719 --> 03:17:30.799 just sort of looked away. It's like our friends said. 3222 03:17:33.159 --> 03:17:36.399 When he was at the RNC, the you know, you 3223 03:17:36.520 --> 03:17:40.479 got some of the I guess like lunar religious, more 3224 03:17:40.559 --> 03:17:43.479 fringe people there, and the Republicans are going up to 3225 03:17:43.559 --> 03:17:45.840 them and talking to them and being friendly with them, 3226 03:17:47.440 --> 03:17:50.920 and then the the DNC to Democratic Party, all those 3227 03:17:50.959 --> 03:17:52.079 people hate their own guys. 3228 03:17:53.280 --> 03:17:55.639 It's just so weird. It's very like corporate. I mean, 3229 03:17:55.719 --> 03:17:58.440 it's like our friend who like he actually like was 3230 03:17:58.520 --> 03:18:01.520 able to procure a press pass so he like penetrated. 3231 03:18:01.639 --> 03:18:04.079 He went into like the DNC at United Center. He 3232 03:18:04.200 --> 03:18:06.920 was like inside like pretending to be like a reporter 3233 03:18:07.159 --> 03:18:10.840 a delegate. And he said that like when he talked 3234 03:18:10.879 --> 03:18:13.440 to people, like he talked to some of his his 3235 03:18:13.559 --> 03:18:15.079 hair as as people, and he said they were just 3236 03:18:15.120 --> 03:18:17.920 giving him these like weird, like canned answers, like this 3237 03:18:18.079 --> 03:18:20.360 is Harri's answer for this, you know, it'say. It was, 3238 03:18:20.520 --> 03:18:23.399 it was like totally like weird. And he's like a 3239 03:18:23.520 --> 03:18:26.920 dude who's been like like Tom just said, you know, 3240 03:18:27.000 --> 03:18:29.120 he's a dude who's been around these types of people 3241 03:18:29.280 --> 03:18:31.440 a lot. You know, he was at the RNC like 3242 03:18:31.600 --> 03:18:34.959 he he's used to being around like Capitol Hill people. 3243 03:18:35.600 --> 03:18:40.799 You know, it's like they these people apparently, these people 3244 03:18:40.840 --> 03:18:42.879 apparently in the United Center, like I said, they were 3245 03:18:42.959 --> 03:18:46.239 just they were giving these kind of like canned answers 3246 03:18:46.319 --> 03:18:49.159 that there's kind of like no margin for I don't 3247 03:18:49.159 --> 03:18:51.680 even know, like conversation or something. But he said it 3248 03:18:51.760 --> 03:18:52.479 was very strange. 3249 03:18:53.399 --> 03:18:55.440 Yeah, And then there were no young people there as well. 3250 03:18:55.520 --> 03:19:00.399 It was all you know, older, older millennials and older 3251 03:19:00.520 --> 03:19:03.639 there there were no you know, even with Hillary you 3252 03:19:03.719 --> 03:19:08.120 had sort of the college sorority sort of backing for 3253 03:19:09.000 --> 03:19:11.639 we didn't. We didn't see any of that. And kind 3254 03:19:11.680 --> 03:19:16.280 of another notable I guess absence from there. I didn't 3255 03:19:16.319 --> 03:19:17.920 really see a lot of a lot of Trumpers. 3256 03:19:18.440 --> 03:19:19.360 I think of the last day. 3257 03:19:19.399 --> 03:19:21.239 There were some people at the protests with kind of 3258 03:19:21.319 --> 03:19:26.319 pro Israel, pro Zionists, maybe more conservative stuff. We didn't 3259 03:19:26.319 --> 03:19:29.200 see them. We didn't see really any groupers. There was 3260 03:19:29.239 --> 03:19:31.600 that one, like I said, America first guy who was 3261 03:19:32.440 --> 03:19:36.719 a little bit goofy. But but like as I had 3262 03:19:36.760 --> 03:19:41.440 mentioned earlier, those big protests in Portland and California and 3263 03:19:41.479 --> 03:19:45.479 everything else, the kind of the main counter for us 3264 03:19:45.520 --> 03:19:47.600 that was there were they you know, they weren't hard 3265 03:19:47.639 --> 03:19:51.920 and fast nationalists or or all writers or anything like that. 3266 03:19:52.040 --> 03:19:55.959 Though they were like conservative type dudes and kind of 3267 03:19:56.000 --> 03:19:58.360 you know whatever you think about like the Proud Boys 3268 03:19:58.440 --> 03:19:59.319 or something like that. 3269 03:19:59.440 --> 03:20:02.840 I mean those gy Chicago is a really weird place 3270 03:20:03.079 --> 03:20:06.280 and like all all kinds of ways, like you basically 3271 03:20:06.479 --> 03:20:09.760 you basically don't have like I mean, you've got like 3272 03:20:09.879 --> 03:20:11.840 you've got like cops and you got like white dudes 3273 03:20:11.920 --> 03:20:14.879 from the hoods like the Clearing and like uh at 3274 03:20:14.959 --> 03:20:19.360 Bridgeport and like Beverly and like they they like Donald Trump, 3275 03:20:19.959 --> 03:20:22.600 but like they're not like super mega guys and like 3276 03:20:22.719 --> 03:20:24.959 they know that like this isn't a battleground state anyways. 3277 03:20:24.959 --> 03:20:27.159 They're kind of like whatever. Like you're more likely to 3278 03:20:27.239 --> 03:20:30.600 actually find like a hardline like kind of like pro 3279 03:20:30.719 --> 03:20:33.559 white guys here than you would like Republicans. It's like 3280 03:20:33.639 --> 03:20:36.479 this don't really exist here, Like and I try to 3281 03:20:36.520 --> 03:20:39.079 explain that to people, like you're more you're like walking 3282 03:20:39.280 --> 03:20:41.559 like a bar or something in like a white hood 3283 03:20:42.879 --> 03:20:45.200 and uh, you say on the bar and like I 3284 03:20:45.280 --> 03:20:47.639 started telling any more jokes, like guys would probably laugh 3285 03:20:48.000 --> 03:20:50.120 and that be okay with that, but like they would 3286 03:20:50.120 --> 03:20:52.520 they're not guys who like are into the Republican Party 3287 03:20:52.680 --> 03:20:54.840 or like anything like that. It's like a weird culture. 3288 03:20:55.879 --> 03:20:57.559 That's part of it. Part why it didn't see like 3289 03:20:57.639 --> 03:20:59.879 pro Trump stuff. It was a stick and speaking with 3290 03:21:00.040 --> 03:21:04.120 absence of any like hair stuff even like uh, but 3291 03:21:04.200 --> 03:21:07.159 they were like totally foo bar like, like I shouted 3292 03:21:07.200 --> 03:21:11.079 out on social media, like they delegates having to wait 3293 03:21:11.200 --> 03:21:13.479 like two and three hours to get into the United Center. 3294 03:21:14.479 --> 03:21:16.040 It's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? This is 3295 03:21:16.200 --> 03:21:19.200 this is a this venue is like it's literally a 3296 03:21:19.319 --> 03:21:22.079 venue made for this sort of thing. You know, you 3297 03:21:22.159 --> 03:21:24.280 can't you're not organized enough to like get people do 3298 03:21:24.440 --> 03:21:28.440 security in short of than like three hours, like you know. 3299 03:21:28.479 --> 03:21:31.280 And then they apparently much a media people were mad 3300 03:21:31.360 --> 03:21:34.719 because you know, they divided it between McCormick Place and 3301 03:21:34.760 --> 03:21:38.200 the United Center. But that actually I guaranee they did 3302 03:21:38.239 --> 03:21:41.159 that for like security purposes and to prevent like mob 3303 03:21:41.239 --> 03:21:44.000 to beat like protesters, But that also meant that like 3304 03:21:44.079 --> 03:21:46.000 nobody knew like where the people were they wanted to 3305 03:21:46.120 --> 03:21:48.360 talk to, and like a bunch of people got like 3306 03:21:48.479 --> 03:21:51.280 fucked up informations. They like went to McCormick Place United 3307 03:21:51.319 --> 03:21:52.920 Center when they were supposed to be the other place, 3308 03:21:53.399 --> 03:21:55.760 like the whole thing seemed like a big It seemed 3309 03:21:55.799 --> 03:21:58.479 like amateur hour, you know, like our buddies said. He's 3310 03:21:58.520 --> 03:22:01.040 like this is pretty damning, and I'm like, yeah, I 3311 03:22:01.319 --> 03:22:06.319 think so. You know, like if if I guarantee you 3312 03:22:06.360 --> 03:22:08.440 if there was like some Trump rally or they rn 3313 03:22:08.479 --> 03:22:10.280 T Milwaukee and it was like you had to wait 3314 03:22:10.399 --> 03:22:13.440 three hours, like they'd be like oh in the media 3315 03:22:13.520 --> 03:22:15.959 like look at these fucking idiots, and they'd be right frankly. 3316 03:22:16.680 --> 03:22:18.920 But that's another point, man. I mean, like I said, 3317 03:22:19.719 --> 03:22:24.280 you're like say whatever they want. You know, basically the 3318 03:22:24.479 --> 03:22:28.680 entire country is like is like red territory in terms 3319 03:22:28.680 --> 03:22:31.399 of the political map, you know, and like Trump does 3320 03:22:31.479 --> 03:22:33.200 these like rallies all the time. You might think those 3321 03:22:33.280 --> 03:22:36.239 rallies are stupid or like hokey, but the point is 3322 03:22:36.319 --> 03:22:39.399 if you want to see Donald Trump, you can see 3323 03:22:39.479 --> 03:22:42.079 him like basically anywhere in the country. Like how to 3324 03:22:42.120 --> 03:22:44.840 fuck even like go see missus Harris. I guess you 3325 03:22:44.959 --> 03:22:47.239 like wait, wait for three hours outside of the United 3326 03:22:47.319 --> 03:22:50.680 Center and you can. But like that's it. I mean, 3327 03:22:50.719 --> 03:22:55.239 it's like you can't, you know, I you can't like 3328 03:22:55.399 --> 03:22:56.959 telling me that like some court to some kind of 3329 03:22:57.040 --> 03:22:59.920 campaign is being made out of this of a legitimate sort. 3330 03:23:00.559 --> 03:23:02.319 You know, you've got to really hustle to get people 3331 03:23:02.360 --> 03:23:05.920 to go to the polls. You know, there's all this 3332 03:23:06.040 --> 03:23:09.000 kind of evidence there aren't elections anymore, you know, because 3333 03:23:09.120 --> 03:23:12.799 like they they don't care because why would they, because 3334 03:23:12.920 --> 03:23:15.319 we're not gonna hold an election. So you know, all 3335 03:23:15.360 --> 03:23:18.639 that matters, is all that matters, this perception of maybe 3336 03:23:18.879 --> 03:23:21.719 like you know, a third in the country who's like 3337 03:23:21.879 --> 03:23:27.799 actually like you know, capable and engage enough to to 3338 03:23:27.959 --> 03:23:30.879 do something. You know, if if they decide they're they're 3339 03:23:30.920 --> 03:23:35.680 not gonna they're not gonna, you know, recognize the sovereignty 3340 03:23:35.680 --> 03:23:38.319 of the state anymore. You know. It's like but if 3341 03:23:38.520 --> 03:23:40.239 all you gotta do basically is like sell, it is 3342 03:23:40.280 --> 03:23:42.799 like good enough, like you know, and plan some kind 3343 03:23:42.799 --> 03:23:44.600 of doubt in people's minds, like you know, maybe missus 3344 03:23:44.600 --> 03:23:47.559 Harris carried this election. That's what they did to California. Man, 3345 03:23:47.639 --> 03:23:51.399 that's what I was shouting out. You didn't California didn't 3346 03:23:51.440 --> 03:23:54.600 like one day go from being like the Republican heartland 3347 03:23:55.040 --> 03:23:57.399 to like, oh now it's now it's a permanently saved 3348 03:23:57.399 --> 03:23:59.920 blue state because of Mexicans. That's not how things work. 3349 03:24:00.639 --> 03:24:02.360 You know, it's just not that's ridiculous. 3350 03:24:04.079 --> 03:24:06.360 Well, you know. One of the other things I'm sorry. 3351 03:24:06.520 --> 03:24:09.200 One of the other things about you know, Harris is 3352 03:24:10.399 --> 03:24:14.879 like they have this interview that's coming up where she's 3353 03:24:14.959 --> 03:24:17.280 not going to be interviewed alone, and you know, the 3354 03:24:18.079 --> 03:24:22.479 the the gay dad Vice President Hopeful is going to 3355 03:24:22.520 --> 03:24:25.600 be with her, you know, so that basically he can 3356 03:24:25.719 --> 03:24:29.040 interrupt when she can't answer a question. I mean, there's 3357 03:24:29.239 --> 03:24:33.479 no you know, and we talk about this all the time. 3358 03:24:33.520 --> 03:24:37.000 There's no policy there. We I was talking to a 3359 03:24:37.079 --> 03:24:40.159 friend of mine today and he was saying how he 3360 03:24:40.680 --> 03:24:45.000 one of his like like he has a cousin's who's 3361 03:24:45.000 --> 03:24:48.959 a lesbian and her lesbian or like, oh, we're voting 3362 03:24:49.000 --> 03:24:51.559 for Kamala And he's like, well, why what does she 3363 03:24:51.680 --> 03:24:54.600 stand for that you're voting? You know what policies? 3364 03:24:54.840 --> 03:24:55.000 Is it? 3365 03:24:55.120 --> 03:24:57.760 And she's like, well, no, you know, I'll feel safer 3366 03:24:57.959 --> 03:25:00.920 being gay and having It's like, that's not a policy. 3367 03:25:01.000 --> 03:25:01.520 What do you know? 3368 03:25:02.440 --> 03:25:03.360 What does she stand for? 3369 03:25:04.280 --> 03:25:07.479 What's also I tried to point out to people and 3370 03:25:07.559 --> 03:25:09.920 they don't believe me, but I'm like, look, they're like no, 3371 03:25:10.079 --> 03:25:12.639 this is the Obama's like runting to run this ethnic lady. 3372 03:25:12.799 --> 03:25:14.600 So they sent up Joe Biden for filer. I'm like, 3373 03:25:14.600 --> 03:25:18.000 that's not what happened, man, Like, basically Biden was so 3374 03:25:18.239 --> 03:25:20.840 fucked up, like he couldn't carry it. And when they 3375 03:25:20.879 --> 03:25:24.280 finally realized that, they're like fucky. I guarantee they went 3376 03:25:24.319 --> 03:25:26.520 to somebody like Gavin Knew someone They're like, you're gonna run. 3377 03:25:26.600 --> 03:25:30.040 He's like nope, I'm not doing it. So who they got? Yea, 3378 03:25:30.200 --> 03:25:30.719 who they got? 3379 03:25:30.840 --> 03:25:34.559 I mean, I recalled during the Tony twenty election when 3380 03:25:34.799 --> 03:25:38.239 Kamala Harris put up her actual presidential ticket, she was 3381 03:25:38.280 --> 03:25:42.440 basically laughed off stage. I thought it was weird at 3382 03:25:42.479 --> 03:25:46.079 the time, and I really don't know deep Washington politics 3383 03:25:46.159 --> 03:25:47.680 or anything like that. I thought it was weird. She 3384 03:25:47.840 --> 03:25:49.399 was a weird pick for vice president. 3385 03:25:49.559 --> 03:25:51.799 But no, the whole thing is strange, like her all 3386 03:25:51.920 --> 03:25:54.799 sentency is strange. But I guarantee you this wasn't something 3387 03:25:54.799 --> 03:25:58.680 like machiavellian operation by the Obama is to like humiliate 3388 03:25:58.799 --> 03:26:02.000 Joe Biden and run this like random lady who can't 3389 03:26:02.120 --> 03:26:04.760 complete an interview without looking like a moron. That's not 3390 03:26:04.920 --> 03:26:07.440 there was. This was this is them, Like that's like 3391 03:26:07.559 --> 03:26:09.760 saying that like, you know, the Soviet Union made cheer, 3392 03:26:09.840 --> 03:26:11.559 it ain't go look crazy, so then they could put 3393 03:26:11.600 --> 03:26:13.719 gorbache off in there. It's it's like some things are 3394 03:26:13.799 --> 03:26:18.040 with the appear man and I guarantee you I guarantee 3395 03:26:18.040 --> 03:26:20.719 you man. Like the guys like the like the money 3396 03:26:20.799 --> 03:26:23.840 guys who like fund all this ship, they were beside 3397 03:26:23.840 --> 03:26:26.280 themselves that like they could not get somebody other than 3398 03:26:26.280 --> 03:26:29.719 Missus Harris to fucking take up the slag. Okay, like 3399 03:26:29.840 --> 03:26:32.200 it doesn't matter because they're gonna fix it anyway, but 3400 03:26:32.239 --> 03:26:34.000 they're like, I guarantee that, like looking at this ship, 3401 03:26:34.120 --> 03:26:38.799 like this is fucking ridiculous, you know, like, yeah, it's 3402 03:26:38.799 --> 03:26:40.440 a it's a problem. You know. 3403 03:26:40.799 --> 03:26:43.239 It's I think part of the reason that the things 3404 03:26:43.319 --> 03:26:48.879 were so low energy in that uh, miss Harris didn't 3405 03:26:48.959 --> 03:26:52.200 have any on the grounds a part of it because 3406 03:26:52.200 --> 03:26:53.920 they don't. They won't, they don't want to draw attention 3407 03:26:54.079 --> 03:26:56.760 to her. I think, like the best thing band is 3408 03:26:57.360 --> 03:26:59.879 try and forth through like a couple, you know, to 3409 03:27:00.040 --> 03:27:04.000 terrible pop culture. Tek took means. I mean, some people 3410 03:27:04.520 --> 03:27:07.399 think even in our sphere, have made that out to 3411 03:27:07.479 --> 03:27:09.719 be a lot more than it is. They were like 3412 03:27:09.799 --> 03:27:12.639 what they were banking on and what you could kind 3413 03:27:12.680 --> 03:27:15.040 of get for Joe Biden. And I heard people talk 3414 03:27:15.079 --> 03:27:18.639 about this both, you know, in the media and and 3415 03:27:18.760 --> 03:27:21.200 in real life. It's that Joe Biden kind of represents 3416 03:27:21.799 --> 03:27:25.760 return to normalcy, as stupid as that is. But uh, 3417 03:27:26.159 --> 03:27:28.760 you know what, what if Kamala Harris doesn't represent anything 3418 03:27:29.000 --> 03:27:32.040 and Tim Waltz doesn't represent anything. I looked into him 3419 03:27:32.040 --> 03:27:33.920 a little bit, just like you. 3420 03:27:34.120 --> 03:27:37.440 Man, like he I mean, honestly, like Vance was a 3421 03:27:37.520 --> 03:27:39.760 bad pick for Trump. I know that makes people mags. 3422 03:27:39.840 --> 03:27:42.360 They like Dvance is They're like fantasy boyfriend despite the 3423 03:27:42.399 --> 03:27:46.799 fact he's terrible. But I got Trump like like Vance 3424 03:27:46.879 --> 03:27:50.239 is Teal's guy, like literally like like like uh he 3425 03:27:50.360 --> 03:27:53.159 had Teal at or like thick as thieves, like Teal 3426 03:27:53.239 --> 03:27:55.239 gave him a job like it's no work job with 3427 03:27:55.360 --> 03:27:58.159 one of his fucking hedge funds like that, Like Heal 3428 03:27:58.280 --> 03:28:01.000 is basically Heal is the Vance, like Carl Icon at 3429 03:28:01.000 --> 03:28:03.799 the Trump. He's like it's like surrogate dead. So Til 3430 03:28:03.840 --> 03:28:05.879 says that Trump, You're gonna take this guy as your 3431 03:28:05.920 --> 03:28:08.360 fucking running mate. You know, That's that's just how it is. 3432 03:28:09.079 --> 03:28:14.319 So I mean, Trump had no choice, Okay, Kamala's people 3433 03:28:14.440 --> 03:28:17.280 did have a choice, but they're so goofy. They think 3434 03:28:17.319 --> 03:28:19.239 that like Walls is like some guy, like yeah, see, 3435 03:28:19.319 --> 03:28:21.120 like white people like him because he's a white guy. 3436 03:28:21.239 --> 03:28:23.440 Like they don't get that, like there's real problems here 3437 03:28:24.040 --> 03:28:27.239 and like Minnesota weird. They were weird political culture, man, 3438 03:28:27.319 --> 03:28:29.399 And like even if even if Walls had like more 3439 03:28:29.520 --> 03:28:34.040 charisma and wasn't just like this kind of cringe, you know, 3440 03:28:34.159 --> 03:28:37.360 like old guy. You know, it's not the stuff that 3441 03:28:37.479 --> 03:28:40.520 indexes with them is not gonna index like the rest 3442 03:28:40.559 --> 03:28:43.200 of the country, you know, So it's like they don't. 3443 03:28:44.159 --> 03:28:45.879 That's kind of like they're desperate attempt to be like no, 3444 03:28:45.959 --> 03:28:48.760 see this is actually a normal ticket. But yeah, you're 3445 03:28:48.760 --> 03:28:50.920 absolutely right. They don't want to draw attention to him 3446 03:28:50.920 --> 03:28:53.559 as its Harris, And like the entirety of like the campaign, 3447 03:28:53.680 --> 03:28:56.360 it's just like whether I want to or not, I 3448 03:28:56.440 --> 03:28:59.600 get it, Like this fucking uh cricket wireless. I love 3449 03:28:59.639 --> 03:29:01.559 it because it's like so cheap. But like I get 3450 03:29:01.600 --> 03:29:03.719 these like aggregate news alerts on my phone whether I 3451 03:29:03.719 --> 03:29:06.159 want them or not, Like I don't I see an 3452 03:29:06.280 --> 03:29:08.520 MSNBC's like not a single thing about this is who 3453 03:29:08.559 --> 03:29:11.000 Kamala Harris is this is like a bagwards like Donald 3454 03:29:11.000 --> 03:29:13.920 Trump said this, Donald Trump heats better. Donald Trump is 3455 03:29:14.000 --> 03:29:16.799 doing this like you never get any kind of cap 3456 03:29:16.920 --> 03:29:19.639 about like oh, Kamala Harris like work for the blind kids, 3457 03:29:19.719 --> 03:29:22.200 or she's like really smart, her husband's like a great guy. 3458 03:29:22.360 --> 03:29:25.520 It's like nothing, nothing, you know, it's not it's not 3459 03:29:25.559 --> 03:29:28.639 a campaign like even in even it kind of like 3460 03:29:28.680 --> 03:29:32.920 the lame like post COVID suns or post lockdown sense. 3461 03:29:33.479 --> 03:29:37.399 You know, well, the I think part of the reason 3462 03:29:37.440 --> 03:29:39.440 that they're having so much trouble, as well as the 3463 03:29:40.719 --> 03:29:44.200 the Democratic Party and the mainstream left really went all 3464 03:29:44.280 --> 03:29:46.760 in on the woke stuff, if you want to term 3465 03:29:46.840 --> 03:29:49.479 it that, and anybody even if they were to run 3466 03:29:49.639 --> 03:29:53.200 like a Tulci Gaward or an RFK Junior or even 3467 03:29:53.239 --> 03:29:56.399 a Bernie Sanders, he's not a good choice at this 3468 03:29:56.520 --> 03:29:59.360 point either, but you know, he still has some appeal 3469 03:29:59.399 --> 03:30:02.360 to people if you if you run someone like that, 3470 03:30:02.520 --> 03:30:05.959 they're they're inherently too white, they're inherently too conservative just 3471 03:30:06.079 --> 03:30:08.040 by the fact that they're not out and out freaks. 3472 03:30:08.719 --> 03:30:11.120 You could run a Kamala Harris or Tim Walls because 3473 03:30:11.120 --> 03:30:14.600 they really don't believe anything. You can kind of paint 3474 03:30:14.639 --> 03:30:17.520 over them whenever you want. Exactly if you're feel like 3475 03:30:17.520 --> 03:30:20.520 a homosexual or a you know, some urbanite woman that 3476 03:30:20.639 --> 03:30:23.920 loves abortion, you'd Kamala Harris as your candidate because you 3477 03:30:23.959 --> 03:30:25.479 can just project that onto her. 3478 03:30:25.799 --> 03:30:28.840 Yeah, it's like it's like a tabloa rosso. Well it's alsome. 3479 03:30:28.840 --> 03:30:31.479 I mean I make the point all the time. You know, 3480 03:30:31.559 --> 03:30:35.360 after Republicans after November nine, nineteen eighty nine, they had 3481 03:30:35.440 --> 03:30:40.319 nothing because after after Taft got and the America First 3482 03:30:40.399 --> 03:30:43.639 Wing like for all practical purposes like rendered like illegal, 3483 03:30:44.200 --> 03:30:45.920 Like all the Republicans had was they were like they 3484 03:30:45.959 --> 03:30:48.440 were like the cold War hawk party. Yeah, they were 3485 03:30:48.440 --> 03:30:50.239 a cold War hawk party, and they were the party 3486 03:30:50.280 --> 03:30:53.719 basically like the supply sires. Well when supply side or 3487 03:30:53.760 --> 03:30:56.600 stuff became like the norm you know under Reagan and 3488 03:30:56.799 --> 03:30:59.200 like a Cold War ended, like Republicans don't have anything 3489 03:30:59.719 --> 03:31:02.040 like at all. They just don't have a platform, I 3490 03:31:02.159 --> 03:31:04.000 think at that point, because like people insist it like 3491 03:31:04.079 --> 03:31:06.000 I'm just like misreading this, and there actually is like 3492 03:31:06.040 --> 03:31:07.920 a mainstream right. I mean there's not the it's not 3493 03:31:07.959 --> 03:31:10.280 like a mainstream left either. You know, It's like you 3494 03:31:10.399 --> 03:31:14.719 got like they're, uh, you know, they've got they've got 3495 03:31:14.799 --> 03:31:20.159 like what was like the counter majoritarian grievance ideology. But 3496 03:31:20.280 --> 03:31:22.520 you need like more than that, you know, like you 3497 03:31:22.600 --> 03:31:27.079 need like the Democrats actually like they you need like 3498 03:31:27.120 --> 03:31:30.239 an industrial like laboring class to like have a labor party. 3499 03:31:30.680 --> 03:31:32.760 Like that's why Ridiculo is like the British Colored Party 3500 03:31:32.879 --> 03:31:35.000 like labor, Like why why is it labor like that? 3501 03:31:35.079 --> 03:31:37.799 Because what said is having like the monarchist party, you know, 3502 03:31:37.879 --> 03:31:40.680 so your Democrats as like the American like Party of Labor. 3503 03:31:41.239 --> 03:31:43.760 It's like, well, like what are you guys? You know, like, oh, 3504 03:31:43.879 --> 03:31:47.520 we're we're the party of of like oppressed black people 3505 03:31:47.600 --> 03:31:50.360 and LGBTQ. Okay, fine, you can't build a mandate out 3506 03:31:50.360 --> 03:31:52.520 of that. You're talking about like fifteen percent of the 3507 03:31:52.600 --> 03:31:55.760 national population, you know what I mean? Like what that 3508 03:31:55.879 --> 03:31:56.559 that doesn't work. 3509 03:31:58.040 --> 03:32:01.799 What's really interesting is with the with all the manufacturing 3510 03:32:01.879 --> 03:32:06.760 getting shipped overseas, I mean, it basically destroyed labor labor 3511 03:32:06.879 --> 03:32:09.239 unions in this country. And labor unions used to be 3512 03:32:10.840 --> 03:32:15.520 huge in the in the elections, and it's it really 3513 03:32:15.639 --> 03:32:18.760 seems now without that labor I mean, and that was 3514 03:32:18.840 --> 03:32:21.639 for decades and decades it was about labor uni instead 3515 03:32:21.639 --> 03:32:24.000 appealing to labor unions, and now it seems like when 3516 03:32:24.040 --> 03:32:27.440 you you have to replace that with something like the woke, 3517 03:32:27.840 --> 03:32:30.399 or you have to replace it with some kind of 3518 03:32:31.159 --> 03:32:34.559 some kind of ideology that takes its place where the 3519 03:32:34.719 --> 03:32:39.520 people you can gather people too and organize people too, 3520 03:32:39.840 --> 03:32:42.319 and nothing is going to work as well as organized 3521 03:32:42.360 --> 03:32:42.879 labor would. 3522 03:32:43.120 --> 03:32:45.799 What's also the entire I mean, the entire paradigm is 3523 03:32:45.879 --> 03:32:48.840 like obsolescent. You know, it's not just that, like, yeah, 3524 03:32:48.879 --> 03:32:52.520 you're absolutely right, it's not just that, like the it's 3525 03:32:52.559 --> 03:32:57.239 not not like the establishment, like the establishment duopoly parties 3526 03:32:57.959 --> 03:33:00.239 you know, have like no reason of debtrin anymore. Like 3527 03:33:00.360 --> 03:33:03.239 the state is structured. I mean it's basically structured to 3528 03:33:03.319 --> 03:33:06.479 fight the Cold War and not do much else. You know. 3529 03:33:06.559 --> 03:33:09.120 It's like they make a big deal, like the big 3530 03:33:09.239 --> 03:33:11.040 news story. You know, like the US Navy has like 3531 03:33:11.040 --> 03:33:14.600 a stabbering like fourteen aircraft carriers and they were like 3532 03:33:14.760 --> 03:33:20.440 on the they ran MSNBC and ran the story that 3533 03:33:20.719 --> 03:33:25.239 went like semi viral among like mainstream like Republican goofballs, 3534 03:33:25.520 --> 03:33:27.520 but like, oh, the Navy can't meet its recruiting goals 3535 03:33:27.600 --> 03:33:31.239 to like staff like all of its uh you know, 3536 03:33:31.360 --> 03:33:34.680 all of its ships. And it's like why do these 3537 03:33:34.680 --> 03:33:37.719 ships exist? Like you're gonna you're gonna fight the imaginary 3538 03:33:37.799 --> 03:33:40.440 Soviet Union. You're gonna have you're gonna fight some like 3539 03:33:40.600 --> 03:33:44.680 imaginary surface warfare engagement against the Chinese navy that doesn't 3540 03:33:44.680 --> 03:33:47.920 actually exist. You know. It's like people like, oh, don't 3541 03:33:48.000 --> 03:33:50.440 don't don't you support the military. I'm like to do what, 3542 03:33:51.479 --> 03:33:53.440 you know, like this idea that like you need, like 3543 03:33:54.200 --> 03:33:56.879 this idea that you need like a million people in uniform. 3544 03:33:57.920 --> 03:34:00.799 You know, you need like aircraft carriers in every ocean. 3545 03:34:01.840 --> 03:34:06.280 That's that's not normal, Like that's you know, like the 3546 03:34:06.440 --> 03:34:09.840 forty four years in the Cold War, Like yeah, you 3547 03:34:09.959 --> 03:34:13.319 need like a force structure that emphasises readiness and depth. 3548 03:34:14.040 --> 03:34:17.079 This idea that that's just something you need always Like 3549 03:34:17.280 --> 03:34:21.600 that's that's bizarre, you know, and like uh yeah, and 3550 03:34:21.719 --> 03:34:24.360 I mean this is one example. But like the idea 3551 03:34:24.440 --> 03:34:28.479 that the government has structured just like must keep existing. 3552 03:34:29.040 --> 03:34:31.879 You know, it's like one of these I mean, Federal 3553 03:34:31.959 --> 03:34:33.920 Law enforcem had nothing to do after the Cold War. 3554 03:34:34.159 --> 03:34:36.239 You know, the FBI's main job. It's not to like 3555 03:34:36.760 --> 03:34:39.559 it's not to shake down like Italian guys, like pushing 3556 03:34:39.680 --> 03:34:43.639 heroin in some like shithole like Brooklyn Italian ghetto. Like 3557 03:34:43.760 --> 03:34:46.600 his job is kept a counterintelligence and to suss out 3558 03:34:46.760 --> 03:34:50.600 the KGB Jerior's presence in the United States. It's that's 3559 03:34:50.639 --> 03:34:53.600 like arrest guys for like shaking down tramp houses and 3560 03:34:53.719 --> 03:34:56.680 like terrorized outfit guys. But I mean that's what it 3561 03:34:56.799 --> 03:34:59.680 does now, I mean, like that's you know, like why 3562 03:34:59.799 --> 03:35:04.719 yeah you really like yeah, go ahead, well, and like. 3563 03:35:05.280 --> 03:35:08.000 In their regard, I'm in American foreign policies collapsing all 3564 03:35:08.079 --> 03:35:14.319 over the war in Ukraine and the Israeli Gaza massacre, 3565 03:35:15.000 --> 03:35:17.920 and even going back to the war in Afghanistan, this 3566 03:35:18.200 --> 03:35:23.840 kind of the war in Syria, the migration crisis. Having 3567 03:35:23.879 --> 03:35:26.680 all these countries collapse within our sphere of influence in 3568 03:35:26.840 --> 03:35:30.959 South America and all over the place, clearly know he's 3569 03:35:31.680 --> 03:35:34.079 nobody's buying with the United States, is selling anymore. And 3570 03:35:34.319 --> 03:35:38.159 you don't have the Soviet Union to point out and say, look, 3571 03:35:38.200 --> 03:35:40.319 you can you can side with us, you can side 3572 03:35:40.319 --> 03:35:43.920 with them. Plenty of people and the bricks and everyone 3573 03:35:44.000 --> 03:35:46.479 else has proved this. Plenty of people view the Russians 3574 03:35:46.520 --> 03:35:50.120 into Chinese as a much better option, and then they're 3575 03:35:50.159 --> 03:35:50.639 correct to you. 3576 03:35:51.399 --> 03:35:53.719 Well they also people don't understand that point. I talked 3577 03:35:53.719 --> 03:35:56.079 to my dad about this. You know, a place like 3578 03:35:56.159 --> 03:35:58.879 Russia and China, Like if you're America, still, even if 3579 03:35:58.879 --> 03:36:01.840 it's kind of a post I'm getting lege. Economically, Americans 3580 03:36:01.840 --> 03:36:04.760 are still like ridiculously rich, like compared to everybody else 3581 03:36:04.799 --> 03:36:08.159 on this planet. Like even like poor people, you can 3582 03:36:08.200 --> 03:36:09.840 get like a link card, and you can get like 3583 03:36:10.559 --> 03:36:12.079 you can get like a credit card, like a five 3584 03:36:12.120 --> 03:36:14.200 thousand dollars limit. You mays just like pull free money 3585 03:36:14.200 --> 03:36:16.479 out of the air. Or even if you're a bum, okay, 3586 03:36:17.120 --> 03:36:22.440 like Russia and China, they actually like bad as some 3587 03:36:22.559 --> 03:36:25.120 things might be there. Those people live better than like 3588 03:36:25.239 --> 03:36:27.520 ninety percent of this planet. So if you're some guy 3589 03:36:27.559 --> 03:36:31.040 in Africa or some guy in Venezuela or some guy, 3590 03:36:31.319 --> 03:36:34.920 uh you know in like Laos, you look at like 3591 03:36:35.079 --> 03:36:37.799 China like that's that's like that's like the Emerald City 3592 03:36:37.840 --> 03:36:39.920 in oz or something. You look at like Russia like, 3593 03:36:40.159 --> 03:36:42.239 hey man, Russia is like a world power, Like that's 3594 03:36:42.600 --> 03:36:44.799 you know, they got technology and they got like all 3595 03:36:44.840 --> 03:36:47.479 this stuff. You know, like you think that that's like 3596 03:36:48.239 --> 03:36:52.200 insanely insane fucking wealth and plenty, you know, like it's 3597 03:36:52.239 --> 03:36:56.040 not people are really really provincial here. They think like 3598 03:36:56.120 --> 03:36:59.040 everywhere is like Chicago or La or like New York City. 3599 03:36:59.120 --> 03:37:01.440 It's not at all like that. And and like you're 3600 03:37:01.639 --> 03:37:04.200 the majority of this planet. I think, what's what's the 3601 03:37:04.239 --> 03:37:09.600 statistic like something like I think like six hundred million 3602 03:37:09.680 --> 03:37:13.280 people like live on like three dollars a day, and 3603 03:37:13.639 --> 03:37:15.959 there's like a billion people that live on like a 3604 03:37:16.079 --> 03:37:19.280 dollar fifty a day. And that's like normal, I think 3605 03:37:19.319 --> 03:37:23.440 about that. So yeah, this idea that like this idea 3606 03:37:23.520 --> 03:37:25.799 that like, oh, it's crazy to think that you know, 3607 03:37:25.879 --> 03:37:29.280 these people in in in the underdeveloped world, they're kind 3608 03:37:29.280 --> 03:37:31.559 of the permanently well used to be called the third world. 3609 03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:35.040 That they'd be like, oh, they they'd never want anything 3610 03:37:35.040 --> 03:37:36.399 to do with China rush. It's like what are you 3611 03:37:36.479 --> 03:37:39.079 talking about? And like a Chinese or like a Muscovite 3612 03:37:39.159 --> 03:37:42.120 like garment guy shows up in Africa. That that guy, 3613 03:37:42.559 --> 03:37:45.159 that guy's like a baller, you know, like p there's 3614 03:37:45.239 --> 03:37:47.440 the pet. The natives there look at that guy. Like 3615 03:37:47.600 --> 03:37:50.200 this guy is ridiculous. He's got like he's got a 3616 03:37:50.239 --> 03:37:52.760 brand new like fucking Tesla he's driving around in He's 3617 03:37:52.760 --> 03:37:55.319 got like endless money, you know, he's got like endless 3618 03:37:55.399 --> 03:37:58.120 fucking guns and Ammo. Like it's it's it's like crazy 3619 03:37:58.159 --> 03:37:59.559 to them, you know, like I don't know wy people 3620 03:37:59.559 --> 03:38:00.600 can't get their ain't around it. 3621 03:38:01.440 --> 03:38:04.680 Plus, if you side with you, siding with Russia and China, 3622 03:38:04.719 --> 03:38:06.959 they're not going to try and socially engineer you out 3623 03:38:07.000 --> 03:38:10.399 of existence as I tried to do with the Taliban, 3624 03:38:10.559 --> 03:38:15.239 and the Afghanistan made their choice, and you know the. 3625 03:38:16.840 --> 03:38:19.200 Two. I mean, you're absolutely right, But like my buddy, 3626 03:38:19.559 --> 03:38:21.319 I'm not gonna name it, but I told you that 3627 03:38:21.440 --> 03:38:23.159 dude he was like in the Marine Corps as he 3628 03:38:23.239 --> 03:38:25.760 was an infantry officer and then he went to Naval Intelligence. 3629 03:38:26.840 --> 03:38:29.399 He told me that in Afghanistan. He was in Afghanistan, 3630 03:38:29.440 --> 03:38:33.120 he was an Africa. And he's like, they're literally following 3631 03:38:33.159 --> 03:38:38.079 this like nineteen sixty three, like Cold War playbook, where 3632 03:38:38.120 --> 03:38:42.399 it's like we're going to train indigenous forces with our values. 3633 03:38:42.440 --> 03:38:44.680 I'm like to do what, Like are they fighting like 3634 03:38:44.719 --> 03:38:47.239 the imaginary Viet Cong or like the communists trying to 3635 03:38:47.280 --> 03:38:49.600 sway them to their side? What are you training these 3636 03:38:49.639 --> 03:38:51.840 people to do? It's Like, I totally get it if 3637 03:38:51.840 --> 03:38:55.319 you want only a forward deployment in Afghanistan, especially considering 3638 03:38:55.399 --> 03:38:57.959 what I think by mid century is going to be 3639 03:38:58.040 --> 03:39:01.319 like a real kind of hot content between the United States, 3640 03:39:01.879 --> 03:39:05.479 the Rusian Federation, China. You know, plays like Kazakhstan are 3641 03:39:05.479 --> 03:39:08.079 gonna be very significant in this kind of contest. So 3642 03:39:08.200 --> 03:39:10.920 I get it you want like a ford deployment in Afghanistan, 3643 03:39:11.239 --> 03:39:13.799 Like why are you training the Afghan National Army? That 3644 03:39:13.879 --> 03:39:18.559 makes literally no fucking sense. That's like militarily asamine, you know, 3645 03:39:18.719 --> 03:39:21.879 like you don't you don't train indigenous forces to fight 3646 03:39:22.040 --> 03:39:24.760 the communists and the absence of the communists, you know, 3647 03:39:24.799 --> 03:39:27.079 you just deploy there and you buy off if you 3648 03:39:27.120 --> 03:39:29.000 have to buy off in order to like make sure 3649 03:39:29.079 --> 03:39:32.079 things run smoothly, you do things like the British Empire did. 3650 03:39:32.719 --> 03:39:36.559 The British Empire didn't train indigenous forces against imaginary ops. 3651 03:39:37.440 --> 03:39:41.120 They said we're gonna be here. It's not like Cartel says. 3652 03:39:41.159 --> 03:39:44.280 There's like the Spanish like I don't, I don't know, 3653 03:39:44.600 --> 03:39:48.159 like adage or something. It's like you can either have 3654 03:39:48.399 --> 03:39:50.360 like it's like you can have my silver, you can 3655 03:39:50.440 --> 03:39:53.120 have my steel, you can take my money. Or I'm 3656 03:39:53.159 --> 03:39:56.000 gonna cut you to pieces if you won't cooperate. Like 3657 03:39:56.079 --> 03:40:00.239 that's basically how you handle like imperial foreign policy place 3658 03:40:00.280 --> 03:40:02.479 like Afghanistan. It's like we're gonna be here, We're gonna 3659 03:40:02.479 --> 03:40:04.879 deploy a relative depth. You can get rich from this 3660 03:40:05.159 --> 03:40:07.600 or you can't have a problem, you know, like why 3661 03:40:07.680 --> 03:40:10.000 why why are we training afgames? What are you training 3662 03:40:10.079 --> 03:40:10.360 them to do? 3663 03:40:11.920 --> 03:40:12.079 You know? 3664 03:40:12.239 --> 03:40:17.159 It's when you were mentioned in this military, this Cold 3665 03:40:17.280 --> 03:40:20.040 War military. I remember back in like two thousand and 3666 03:40:20.159 --> 03:40:22.760 seven when Ron Paul was running and he was up 3667 03:40:22.799 --> 03:40:25.440 on the debate stage and he had made the comment 3668 03:40:25.559 --> 03:40:29.399 He's like, we need like six submarines. We need like 3669 03:40:29.440 --> 03:40:32.920 three submarines in the Atlantic, three submarines in the Pacific, 3670 03:40:33.360 --> 03:40:36.200 and we have our missile system. What else do we need? 3671 03:40:37.040 --> 03:40:41.000 That's it? At every Cold warrior was like screaming, you know, 3672 03:40:41.239 --> 03:40:44.319 screaming about how the Muslims were gonna come here and everything. 3673 03:40:44.360 --> 03:40:47.799 If what if we don't have fourteen aircraft. 3674 03:40:47.399 --> 03:40:49.479 Carriers, I mean, like even if it's like what's like 3675 03:40:49.559 --> 03:40:53.399 Michael Schuyer said, like even if you accept obviously I 3676 03:40:53.479 --> 03:40:55.280 don't know, but even if you accept like the Islamic 3677 03:40:55.360 --> 03:40:58.760 world is some kind of like op It's like, okay, obviously, 3678 03:40:58.840 --> 03:41:02.200 the way you'd handle that is you'd basically like exclude 3679 03:41:02.280 --> 03:41:05.600 Islamic integration and then like close the southern border. Like 3680 03:41:05.719 --> 03:41:09.879 you wouldn't build like dozens of aircraft carriers and pretend 3681 03:41:09.959 --> 03:41:13.840 that you know we're we and and pretend that you 3682 03:41:13.920 --> 03:41:16.319 know we we need we need like the F twenty 3683 03:41:16.360 --> 03:41:18.399 two and the Joint Strike fight or otherwise like we're 3684 03:41:18.440 --> 03:41:22.000 gonna get worked by by some kind of Soviet aircraft 3685 03:41:22.079 --> 03:41:24.520 that runs it obsolete. Like I like, even if that 3686 03:41:24.600 --> 03:41:27.520 was true, it's like, okay, so why why you're praying 3687 03:41:27.520 --> 03:41:32.200 to basically wage like a combined arms conventional war, you know, 3688 03:41:32.840 --> 03:41:38.079 with these platforms that haven't been viable in decades. I mean, 3689 03:41:38.120 --> 03:41:40.680 I also think that go ahead, I'm sorry. 3690 03:41:42.360 --> 03:41:45.440 The Zionist narrative that would back up anything like that 3691 03:41:46.120 --> 03:41:48.719 other against the Russians, the Chinese, or the Islamic world, 3692 03:41:48.879 --> 03:41:51.719 I mean, that's collapsing in on itself in real time, 3693 03:41:53.200 --> 03:41:55.319 as we saw, like all those protests on the DNC, 3694 03:41:55.479 --> 03:41:59.639 the corrupt of them was the Israel Palestine issue. There 3695 03:41:59.719 --> 03:42:03.399 is no going outside and declaring yourself as this big, 3696 03:42:04.639 --> 03:42:08.319 you know, Zionist warrior for Israel and Christian America has 3697 03:42:08.440 --> 03:42:12.600 no sway now with anybody right, right, left or or center. 3698 03:42:12.959 --> 03:42:14.920 No that and that that is a huge sea change, man, 3699 03:42:14.920 --> 03:42:19.040 because like when I was I realized, I I don't 3700 03:42:19.040 --> 03:42:20.760 want to I don't want to sound like some old 3701 03:42:20.840 --> 03:42:22.399 guy just say I'm like, you know, you should appreciate 3702 03:42:22.440 --> 03:42:25.360 what you have today, Like I mean, there is some 3703 03:42:26.399 --> 03:42:28.840 true to that, man, Like especially like when younger guys 3704 03:42:29.040 --> 03:42:31.600 like weren't alive then they're like, you know what you're 3705 03:42:31.600 --> 03:42:33.200 talking about. Shots, It's not like when you were young. 3706 03:42:33.280 --> 03:42:36.520 It's so bad now. I'm like, bro, people fucking people 3707 03:42:36.639 --> 03:42:39.879 hated us man at like thirty years ago, and the 3708 03:42:39.920 --> 03:42:41.680 only ninety if you're like a white dude is like, yeah, 3709 03:42:41.719 --> 03:42:45.399 I'm pro white. Like in Chicago, if you, like I said, 3710 03:42:45.399 --> 03:42:47.959 if you went to a place like Bridgeport of Beverly, yeah, 3711 03:42:48.040 --> 03:42:50.159 some guys would be like, okay, bro, I am too. 3712 03:42:50.680 --> 03:42:53.639 Like on the open street, people have like look at 3713 03:42:53.680 --> 03:42:57.559 you like you're a fucking scumbag and like you you 3714 03:42:57.760 --> 03:43:00.639 basically couldn't go to like seventy down of the city 3715 03:43:01.639 --> 03:43:03.879 because it's like you get stopped out and people would 3716 03:43:03.920 --> 03:43:06.200 accept it and like it's your fault, Like while you're 3717 03:43:06.200 --> 03:43:08.920 fucking around with within a non white hood, you're asking 3718 03:43:09.000 --> 03:43:12.040 for it. Like nobody would talk that way now, you know, 3719 03:43:12.520 --> 03:43:14.719 like even here, like nobody would talk that way. 3720 03:43:15.600 --> 03:43:15.760 You know. 3721 03:43:15.920 --> 03:43:20.319 It's like basically they expect like like basically if you're 3722 03:43:20.319 --> 03:43:22.159 like a white dude, it's like expected you at least 3723 03:43:22.239 --> 03:43:24.920 kind of like Donald Trump, and like you probably have 3724 03:43:25.159 --> 03:43:28.200 like right wing ideas of some sort and people that's 3725 03:43:28.280 --> 03:43:30.200 just like that's the way it is, you know. And 3726 03:43:30.399 --> 03:43:32.520 like basically you're looked at like a weirdo or like 3727 03:43:32.680 --> 03:43:35.000 corny if like you like Israel, like whether you're like 3728 03:43:35.079 --> 03:43:38.280 right or left, Like nobody likes Israel. Like thirty years ago, 3729 03:43:38.680 --> 03:43:40.319 people say like you're like a piece of shit, Like 3730 03:43:40.399 --> 03:43:42.639 how dar you say about Israel? They're like our only friends, 3731 03:43:42.680 --> 03:43:45.440 you know, like like nobody talks that way now, man, 3732 03:43:45.639 --> 03:43:47.840 like nobody, and if you do, you're viewed as like 3733 03:43:47.879 --> 03:43:50.520 some corny weirdo. You know. It's like so I want 3734 03:43:50.520 --> 03:43:53.639 to accept that, Like things are so bad now when 3735 03:43:53.719 --> 03:43:57.159 people used to be based like that's not remotely the 3736 03:43:57.200 --> 03:44:01.120 way shit is. Like it's it's literally like odds with reality, 3737 03:44:02.680 --> 03:44:05.520 you know, And like I say, like I I don't 3738 03:44:05.600 --> 03:44:08.680 plan to be like super worldly, but I'm mean I 3739 03:44:08.719 --> 03:44:11.040 do spend like half the year traveling around and like 3740 03:44:11.120 --> 03:44:14.520 I I basically spend my day like walking around a 3741 03:44:14.600 --> 03:44:17.399 metro area five million people. And I think I know something, man, 3742 03:44:17.520 --> 03:44:21.760 Like I don't, you know, it's it's it's it's like 3743 03:44:21.879 --> 03:44:25.360 night and day compared to thirty years ago today, you know. 3744 03:44:26.920 --> 03:44:29.959 And I'm mean saying too, like people like this like 3745 03:44:30.040 --> 03:44:33.079 election fakeries not something new. It goes back to nine 3746 03:44:33.200 --> 03:44:38.120 nineteen ninety two. Okay, that was probably the last time 3747 03:44:38.319 --> 03:44:41.520 there was like real, real like presidential election, you know, 3748 03:44:41.680 --> 03:44:44.159 and like like with people like voting and votes being 3749 03:44:44.239 --> 03:44:49.520 tallied and that outcome being honored, and you know, like 3750 03:44:49.639 --> 03:44:51.559 I said, like after that, it was just like horse 3751 03:44:51.639 --> 03:44:54.559 training as like what party and what what you know, 3752 03:44:54.680 --> 03:44:57.879 kind of aggregate interest. Get Okay, you get this state, 3753 03:44:57.959 --> 03:44:59.719 we get that state, you get this, we get that. 3754 03:45:00.639 --> 03:45:03.200 You know. I So it's not you can't convince me 3755 03:45:03.280 --> 03:45:06.399 that like things are terrible now when like they were 3756 03:45:06.479 --> 03:45:08.719 better like thirty years ago or even twenty years ago. Man, 3757 03:45:09.399 --> 03:45:13.200 I mean, like even I remember even here, we're like 3758 03:45:13.280 --> 03:45:15.639 people on the people here like hated Bush forty three, 3759 03:45:16.319 --> 03:45:17.799 like I think Busch twenty three was like a very 3760 03:45:17.879 --> 03:45:20.079 bad guy, but I don't know how like Norman's getting 3761 03:45:20.079 --> 03:45:22.239 like excitedly like angry with them. He was kind of 3762 03:45:22.280 --> 03:45:27.120 like a cipher. But even so, I remember, like it's 3763 03:45:27.120 --> 03:45:29.399 saying like the Iraq war is like really fucked up, 3764 03:45:29.479 --> 03:45:31.200 and people be like, hey, don't you say that? Man? 3765 03:45:31.280 --> 03:45:33.719 You know you remember like people spitting on troops coming 3766 03:45:33.719 --> 03:45:36.000 back from No, you don't criticize this when we're at war, 3767 03:45:36.319 --> 03:45:38.760 and like what are you talking about? You know, it's 3768 03:45:38.799 --> 03:45:40.799 like now we can't like say that, like this is 3769 03:45:40.879 --> 03:45:43.360 fucked up, Like but that's that's the way people were, man. 3770 03:45:43.920 --> 03:45:45.959 You know, don't you remember knowing the eleven motherfucker like that? 3771 03:45:46.159 --> 03:45:49.040 That's kinda still okay, like out and about I mean, 3772 03:45:49.200 --> 03:45:50.319 not like internet idiots. 3773 03:45:50.479 --> 03:45:55.440 So that's that's another like today, yeah, that that sort 3774 03:45:55.479 --> 03:45:58.479 of like support the troops, you know, cult the nine 3775 03:45:58.520 --> 03:46:02.319 to eleven type stuff, and you know, Israel is based 3776 03:46:02.399 --> 03:46:05.079 because they fight the Commis, and and then Israel is 3777 03:46:05.159 --> 03:46:08.000 based because they fight the Muslims, and nobody believes that anymore. 3778 03:46:08.799 --> 03:46:12.559 It's been proven in real time that those A that 3779 03:46:12.680 --> 03:46:16.200 those ventures were not legitimate and b that they fail. 3780 03:46:17.079 --> 03:46:19.600 Ukraine is the best example. That's a you know, a 3781 03:46:19.719 --> 03:46:23.760 Zionist American imperialist war that that failed in real time, 3782 03:46:24.319 --> 03:46:26.600 and you can't even hide it anymore. You can't even 3783 03:46:26.680 --> 03:46:30.120 say that, uh, you know, you Ukraine's going to win. 3784 03:46:30.239 --> 03:46:33.520 And they're this like you know, for our guys, is 3785 03:46:33.639 --> 03:46:36.879 like based white country or kind of for the mainstream 3786 03:46:36.959 --> 03:46:41.719 that they're this you know, small nation that was unfairly attacked. 3787 03:46:43.239 --> 03:46:45.000 You can say, you know, all you can say now 3788 03:46:45.120 --> 03:46:50.000 is that, uh, you know, the the Ukrainians are foolish 3789 03:46:50.319 --> 03:46:53.280 and they made the wrong choice. And there there is 3790 03:46:53.399 --> 03:46:58.559 that other meme that Zelenski joins the Hall of American 3791 03:46:58.600 --> 03:47:01.559 Allies up in heaven. Did people see right through this stuff? 3792 03:47:02.120 --> 03:47:03.879 Well it's also too I mean I make the point 3793 03:47:03.959 --> 03:47:07.280 to people and especially I mean guys were supposedly like 3794 03:47:07.920 --> 03:47:10.280 on our side, although like I questioned that a lot. 3795 03:47:12.959 --> 03:47:15.799 There's not like this isn't nineteen eighty. There's not like 3796 03:47:16.319 --> 03:47:19.479 it's not like two basic like forms of government that 3797 03:47:19.639 --> 03:47:21.799 dominate and then like a dozen kind of like minor 3798 03:47:22.000 --> 03:47:25.520 like iterations. There's only like one form of government, you know, 3799 03:47:25.600 --> 03:47:27.479 like despite what the say it says about like Russia, 3800 03:47:28.040 --> 03:47:32.319 like Russia is organized basically exactly like America is. It's 3801 03:47:32.360 --> 03:47:35.840 got like different political values obviously, but there's not there's 3802 03:47:35.920 --> 03:47:38.879 not like this mass diversity of like forms of government. 3803 03:47:38.920 --> 03:47:42.200 There's like one form of government and that's it. Okay, 3804 03:47:42.399 --> 03:47:46.440 Like globalism changed everything. The Cold War was that like 3805 03:47:46.559 --> 03:47:50.040 the war to decide like what form globalism would take it. 3806 03:47:50.079 --> 03:47:51.920 So like people talking about like well the left is 3807 03:47:51.959 --> 03:47:53.879 gonna win, It's like there's not like a left anymore. 3808 03:47:54.040 --> 03:47:56.680 There's not like a right anymore, like not in like 3809 03:47:57.319 --> 03:48:00.360 official them. I mean, that's not the way things work. 3810 03:48:00.879 --> 03:48:02.680 You know, like you're either like four in the regime 3811 03:48:02.879 --> 03:48:07.159 or you're against it. Like right wing people are against it, okay, 3812 03:48:07.319 --> 03:48:10.520 Like Russia is against it, China's against it, Daryl Islam 3813 03:48:10.680 --> 03:48:13.959 is against it. There's like outliers like Syria that yeah 3814 03:48:14.000 --> 03:48:16.959 they're part of Daryl Islam, but like they're control group 3815 03:48:17.000 --> 03:48:20.840 like like that, like as Christians and Alloyites. But I 3816 03:48:20.879 --> 03:48:24.479 mean the point is that like if you're like, well, 3817 03:48:24.520 --> 03:48:27.239 you're a dick because like you hate jd Vance because 3818 03:48:27.360 --> 03:48:29.719 otherwise the left wing wins. It's like there's not a 3819 03:48:29.799 --> 03:48:32.280 right and a left wing. It's not like that. I 3820 03:48:32.319 --> 03:48:38.159 think Trump's important for historical reasons and psychological symbolic ones. 3821 03:48:38.959 --> 03:48:41.520 But like even Trump, like he's not Trump's not this 3822 03:48:41.639 --> 03:48:44.920 like ideological guy. He was gonna like you know, and 3823 03:48:44.959 --> 03:48:46.959 if you don't vote for him, like you know, the 3824 03:48:47.079 --> 03:48:49.559 left wing wins and then everything changes. It's this is 3825 03:48:49.639 --> 03:48:54.520 not the eighties. That's not how it works. And I'm 3826 03:48:54.559 --> 03:48:59.120 not just I I'm not just like dropping bullshit or 3827 03:49:00.159 --> 03:49:03.040 like abstract like political theory knowledge and trying to make 3828 03:49:03.079 --> 03:49:05.559 it trying to beat people over the head with it. 3829 03:49:05.639 --> 03:49:07.799 I mean, it's it's obvious, that's in practical terms, this 3830 03:49:07.879 --> 03:49:09.719 is the way things are organized. So people got to 3831 03:49:09.799 --> 03:49:12.680 drop this idea that like, you know, this is the 3832 03:49:12.799 --> 03:49:15.840 West and these are sovereign countries and it's like the 3833 03:49:15.959 --> 03:49:19.840 right wing traditional party versus like the labor radical party 3834 03:49:19.879 --> 03:49:21.719 and we've got to stop them from winning votes or 3835 03:49:21.760 --> 03:49:24.159 that changes the paradigm. That's not at all, that's not 3836 03:49:24.200 --> 03:49:27.079 really true. That's thirty years that's that's that's thirty five 3837 03:49:27.159 --> 03:49:27.840 years out of date. 3838 03:49:29.680 --> 03:49:34.280 But I gotta I got a roll, So I appreciate 3839 03:49:34.399 --> 03:49:40.959 the talk. Guys. Uh plugs yeah, Thomas plugs. 3840 03:49:41.360 --> 03:49:44.239 Yeah. My Twitter got nuked, which is something that happens 3841 03:49:44.280 --> 03:49:46.159 to us. So that's why you can't find me on Twitter. 3842 03:49:47.079 --> 03:49:50.360 You can find me on substack real Thomas seven seven 3843 03:49:50.479 --> 03:49:54.319 seven on subsec dot com. You can find me at 3844 03:49:54.360 --> 03:49:58.360 my website number seven hm s seven seven seven dot com. 3845 03:49:59.120 --> 03:50:03.159 I'm on tram on Instagram. I'm gonna start doing more 3846 03:50:03.799 --> 03:50:06.920 like podcasting and more video stuff and try and fuck 3847 03:50:06.959 --> 03:50:10.479 with social media less frankly, like I need a break anyway, 3848 03:50:10.920 --> 03:50:12.239 But that's where I'm at. 3849 03:50:13.719 --> 03:50:17.280 Arthur, you got anything to plug except what do you got? 3850 03:50:18.280 --> 03:50:22.319 Yeah? Actually I'm on Twitter and subsec as well. Actually, 3851 03:50:22.319 --> 03:50:24.639 if you subscribe to Thomas as subsec, I'm one of 3852 03:50:24.719 --> 03:50:27.799 his recommended journals. I don't have a lot on there 3853 03:50:27.879 --> 03:50:30.079 right now, but I'm working on so if you'll see 3854 03:50:30.200 --> 03:50:32.840 more stuff in the coming weeks and months, follow me 3855 03:50:32.879 --> 03:50:36.680 on Twitter as well. Arthur Underscore Rombau same way it's 3856 03:50:36.680 --> 03:50:38.079 spelled on screen three. 3857 03:50:38.840 --> 03:50:39.239 That's me. 3858 03:50:40.319 --> 03:50:44.520 Find me on YouTube again, Arthur Rombou. Like I said, 3859 03:50:44.680 --> 03:50:46.840 I don't have a ton at the moment, but I 3860 03:50:47.079 --> 03:50:50.280 definitely have more coming down the pipeline and you can. 3861 03:50:50.559 --> 03:50:52.840 You can come hang out with Arthur in my in 3862 03:50:52.959 --> 03:50:54.600 my chat on my Sunday live. 3863 03:50:54.520 --> 03:50:57.000 Streams and I'm usually there as well. 3864 03:50:58.760 --> 03:51:01.120 All right, gentlemen, preciate it. Thank you very much. 3865 03:51:01.760 --> 03:51:02.280 Thanks Pete. 3866 03:51:03.559 --> 03:51:06.360 I want to welcome everyone back to the Peganana Show. 3867 03:51:07.159 --> 03:51:08.799 It's been a while, Thomas, how you been. 3868 03:51:10.079 --> 03:51:11.920 I've been well man. Yeah, thanks for hosting me. I 3869 03:51:12.000 --> 03:51:13.879 was singing with that the other day, like it really 3870 03:51:14.000 --> 03:51:17.639 has been a minute, and that's my fault. I mean, 3871 03:51:17.639 --> 03:51:21.479 everybody's busy, but it was my poll for canceling on 3872 03:51:22.120 --> 03:51:27.680 our slated movie review episode, and I do apologize both 3873 03:51:27.719 --> 03:51:30.600 of you and the subs. But yeah, I've been well man. 3874 03:51:30.879 --> 03:51:32.680 Yeah, we should jump on that this week. We'll talk 3875 03:51:32.719 --> 03:51:37.079 about it later. Well, we were gonna I was gonna 3876 03:51:37.079 --> 03:51:40.000 ask you to finish up Gladio today or you know, 3877 03:51:40.200 --> 03:51:43.159 part three. But there was a there was a tweet 3878 03:51:43.200 --> 03:51:45.799 you put out this morning. It was a series of 3879 03:51:45.840 --> 03:51:54.879 stuff and basically somebody had put out that too few 3880 03:51:55.120 --> 03:51:59.239 dissidents appreciate the fact that Russia has its own Zionist 3881 03:51:59.319 --> 03:52:04.319 occupied government. And I'll, uh, let me just share this 3882 03:52:04.479 --> 03:52:08.360 real quick because it's probably the easiest way to to 3883 03:52:08.799 --> 03:52:14.639 put what you wrote there. And you wrote Moscow's literally 3884 03:52:14.680 --> 03:52:17.840 at war with Israel. Nobody that I know claims some 3885 03:52:18.040 --> 03:52:20.959 wonderful government is situated in Moscow. But the idea that 3886 03:52:21.040 --> 03:52:25.200 it's some franchise branch of the identical regime that is 3887 03:52:25.239 --> 03:52:29.559 situated in Washington as asinine. People who believe this or not. 3888 03:52:29.680 --> 03:52:32.280 In the game, you said, there are descendants of the 3889 03:52:32.360 --> 03:52:36.040 same guys who claimed breshn F's USSR was Jewish as 3890 03:52:36.120 --> 03:52:40.040 Moscow was deploying nuclear weapons to the port of Alexandria 3891 03:52:40.120 --> 03:52:43.159 to fire at Tel Aviv, and you went, you went 3892 03:52:43.280 --> 03:52:48.200 on and on here, So what is making what would 3893 03:52:48.280 --> 03:52:53.639 make people think this? It just doesn't you know. Somebody 3894 03:52:53.760 --> 03:52:56.520 posted pictures like, oh, there was a picture of Putin 3895 03:52:57.360 --> 03:53:00.399 with a yamaka on and he was talking to Jewish people, 3896 03:53:00.879 --> 03:53:04.479 and he passed a law that you're not allowed to, like, 3897 03:53:04.959 --> 03:53:07.120 you know, beat up Jewish people, because yeah, I mean, 3898 03:53:07.159 --> 03:53:09.959 that's exactly what you would want, right if you want 3899 03:53:10.120 --> 03:53:12.959 ordering your country, you just want people running around beating 3900 03:53:13.040 --> 03:53:15.760 people up for absolutely no fucking reason. I've had some 3901 03:53:15.959 --> 03:53:18.600 Pagans come at me about this, saying, look at all 3902 03:53:18.639 --> 03:53:22.879 these laws that the Roman Republican the Empire had where 3903 03:53:22.959 --> 03:53:25.040 it was, you know, they were like, you can't do 3904 03:53:25.159 --> 03:53:26.719 this to Jews, and you can't see that, yeah, because 3905 03:53:26.719 --> 03:53:29.159 you don't want people running around fucking killing people in 3906 03:53:29.239 --> 03:53:33.840 the streets, these stupid scumbags. So what's leading to this? 3907 03:53:34.440 --> 03:53:37.680 What is this? Well, it's different things anyway, like whatever, 3908 03:53:39.280 --> 03:53:42.479 whether whether there's a good government or a bad one 3909 03:53:42.520 --> 03:53:45.479 situated in Moscow, whether it's like a left wing government 3910 03:53:45.559 --> 03:53:50.920 or a right wing government, whether it's autocratic or not, 3911 03:53:51.440 --> 03:53:56.000 and whether it's truly accountable, you know, whether it's truly 3912 03:53:56.120 --> 03:54:03.440 guarding you know, the Russian culture as you know, it's 3913 03:54:03.479 --> 03:54:07.799 kind of like the first culture within the federation and nationalities, 3914 03:54:07.920 --> 03:54:10.399 like none of that's that's a different question. This idea 3915 03:54:10.559 --> 03:54:16.360 that there's some kind of Zionist cadre that runs Russian 3916 03:54:16.399 --> 03:54:19.360 and executive capacity and that everything it does is some 3917 03:54:19.559 --> 03:54:24.200 like super complicated ledgerd main Like that's idiotic. I think 3918 03:54:24.200 --> 03:54:28.360 it's two things. There's people who don't really understand politics, 3919 03:54:28.719 --> 03:54:35.159 like they don't. So the fact that like Putin and 3920 03:54:35.280 --> 03:54:37.760 Labra don't like punched the air every morning and like 3921 03:54:37.920 --> 03:54:41.879 call for death to Israel, and the fact that you 3922 03:54:41.959 --> 03:54:48.079 know they maintain at least the appearance of like marginal 3923 03:54:48.159 --> 03:54:51.879 league good offices that's called in the traditional diplomatic circles. 3924 03:54:51.879 --> 03:54:56.319 Of Israel. These people are so like literal minded they 3925 03:54:56.399 --> 03:54:59.639 can't grasp. But that's just how you do things, you know, 3926 03:55:00.120 --> 03:55:08.360 like you you maintain an appearance of basic stability, even 3927 03:55:08.440 --> 03:55:13.079 even among your even even when you're dealing with your enemies, 3928 03:55:13.120 --> 03:55:16.680 perhaps in particularly when you're dealing with your enemies and 3929 03:55:17.000 --> 03:55:20.639 in public capacities, like maybe I think there's the review 3930 03:55:20.680 --> 03:55:23.479 someone warped, like America having a state department that literally 3931 03:55:23.559 --> 03:55:27.200 goes around insulting people and saying crazy things. That's really 3932 03:55:27.280 --> 03:55:30.920 really really weird, and nobody does that. Only America does that. 3933 03:55:32.159 --> 03:55:36.280 Everybody else they put on a front of a you 3934 03:55:36.360 --> 03:55:43.559 know kind of like amicable diplomacy, like even when that's 3935 03:55:44.040 --> 03:55:50.280 you know, not really on the table. Secondly, there's people 3936 03:55:50.280 --> 03:55:53.680 who don't really understand Jewish power. It's just some kind 3937 03:55:53.719 --> 03:55:56.520 of like stand in for like the bad guy or something, 3938 03:55:56.639 --> 03:55:59.680 or like any any government that's all, but it all 3939 03:55:59.719 --> 03:56:06.719 copies by any you know, by by by any faction 3940 03:56:06.879 --> 03:56:10.680 or element that's you know, kind of like hostile to 3941 03:56:10.760 --> 03:56:16.559 the organic communitarian impulse of that country. Like they're like, oh, 3942 03:56:16.559 --> 03:56:20.680 they's automatically Jewish, Like I think I think it's those things. 3943 03:56:21.079 --> 03:56:27.440 It's also going back I mean, the reason why, the 3944 03:56:27.559 --> 03:56:30.760 reason why people like Francis Yacki and like Kndye McGinley 3945 03:56:30.799 --> 03:56:36.559 and like James Hardsung Metal the reason why kind of 3946 03:56:36.600 --> 03:56:41.280 at the heart of uh or at the at the 3947 03:56:41.319 --> 03:56:45.680 peak of the the kind of Eisenhower era, they were 3948 03:56:45.719 --> 03:56:50.760 making a big deal about, you know, the the Doctor's plot, 3949 03:56:50.840 --> 03:56:55.760 which was obviously like a show trial for the benefit 3950 03:56:55.879 --> 03:56:59.440 of kind of like the lesser Soviets and non and 3951 03:56:59.600 --> 03:57:03.000 like and like Nomenclantera, who were like increasingly dissatisfied with 3952 03:57:03.840 --> 03:57:05.879 you know, kind of the way things were going. I mean, 3953 03:57:05.920 --> 03:57:10.559 I there's a real like weariness to the staleism, like 3954 03:57:10.639 --> 03:57:14.079 at this point, obviously they were signaling without saying it, 3955 03:57:14.360 --> 03:57:16.680 like look, we're purging the Party of this element, that 3956 03:57:16.760 --> 03:57:22.639 element being you know, self identified Jews, who you know 3957 03:57:22.840 --> 03:57:28.440 very much are kind of following their own tendency and well, 3958 03:57:28.479 --> 03:57:33.079 you know, in within the political fut of the Eastern Bloc. 3959 03:57:33.680 --> 03:57:37.319 But I mean people can't subsequently, people would say stuff 3960 03:57:37.399 --> 03:57:41.120 like Oyaki's a Jewish apologist or he's a quote communist, 3961 03:57:41.479 --> 03:57:44.079 Like they can't get their mind around the nuances of 3962 03:57:44.120 --> 03:57:46.239 these things. So I think it's like, oh, that's stuff 3963 03:57:46.440 --> 03:57:50.639 I mean, I I have guys tell me there's literally 3964 03:57:50.719 --> 03:57:56.920 a Zionist comedian who's ethnically cleansing Orthodox Christianity from Ukraine. 3965 03:57:57.360 --> 03:58:01.239 He's waging a suicidal war like war against the Russians. 3966 03:58:01.479 --> 03:58:03.879 There's people who tell me, like that guy is based 3967 03:58:03.920 --> 03:58:06.719 in right wing and the Russians are evil, Like these 3968 03:58:06.760 --> 03:58:10.280 people like beyond reason. They're really really, really really stupid, 3969 03:58:10.959 --> 03:58:13.840 and they they're like the people who insist that like 3970 03:58:14.719 --> 03:58:17.680 the CIA, like kill JFK. It's like this article of 3971 03:58:17.799 --> 03:58:20.200 faith and like no matter what, they just like can't 3972 03:58:20.239 --> 03:58:22.799 let it go. It's like they're like committed to it, 3973 03:58:22.959 --> 03:58:25.280 like some people are committed to their religious faith or something. 3974 03:58:25.440 --> 03:58:28.079 I don't I don't know, but you know, and it 3975 03:58:28.159 --> 03:58:31.319 doesn't you know, if you don't understand, if you don't 3976 03:58:31.360 --> 03:58:40.760 understand the the enmity between between Russia and and zionis, 3977 03:58:42.680 --> 03:58:44.959 you don't understand the final phase of the Cold War, 3978 03:58:45.639 --> 03:58:48.760 and you know, you don't understand basically everything that's happened 3979 03:58:48.760 --> 03:58:54.360 in parapletical terms, really the last really since nineteen ninety nine. 3980 03:58:55.079 --> 03:58:56.399 You know, so you're just like not in the game, 3981 03:58:57.200 --> 03:58:58.680 you know, I mean, if people want to pretend that 3982 03:58:58.840 --> 03:59:02.200 like you know, if you want to pretend that, like 3983 03:59:02.719 --> 03:59:06.600 the Russians aren't at war with Israel because like later 3984 03:59:06.799 --> 03:59:09.600 proven like later Reef at some Holocaust memorial. I mean, 3985 03:59:09.600 --> 03:59:10.959 I don't know what to say about that, but I 3986 03:59:11.000 --> 03:59:13.520 mean those like I said, it's like it's like trying 3987 03:59:13.559 --> 03:59:16.799 to argue with some like little kid about I mean, 3988 03:59:16.799 --> 03:59:18.360 I don't even know what, but it's like it's like 3989 03:59:18.399 --> 03:59:21.360 a waste of everybody's time. It's just that when that 3990 03:59:21.479 --> 03:59:25.319 kind of stuff becomes insinuated, occasionally I feel like shooting 3991 03:59:25.360 --> 03:59:27.760 it down because it's like so like off base. And 3992 03:59:29.159 --> 03:59:32.680 again there's people who I don't really take a strong 3993 03:59:32.760 --> 03:59:34.959 interest in what anybody else does, and there's the content 3994 03:59:35.239 --> 03:59:37.719 unless they're my friends or unless I find it worthwhile. 3995 03:59:38.479 --> 03:59:45.360 And those are narrow categories, both of them. But NATO 3996 03:59:45.479 --> 03:59:48.360 and Israel being at war with Russia, like literally at 3997 03:59:48.479 --> 03:59:54.280 war with Russia. That's the key development and high politics 3998 03:59:55.239 --> 03:59:57.760 that people must be watching right now. And the outcome 3999 03:59:57.920 --> 04:00:02.360 of this conflict cycle is gonna profound applications for the 4000 04:00:02.399 --> 04:00:05.799 rest of the century and by mid century. Like I'm 4001 04:00:05.799 --> 04:00:10.719 always saying, i I'm not some kind of augur and 4002 04:00:10.799 --> 04:00:15.399 I think strategic forecasting is as a discipline. It's not 4003 04:00:15.559 --> 04:00:18.840 unlike these guys who claim to be like macro econ gurus, 4004 04:00:19.239 --> 04:00:20.760 Like most of those guys just don't know what they're 4005 04:00:20.799 --> 04:00:25.639 talking about, and if they do, they're they're basically shills anyway, 4006 04:00:25.799 --> 04:00:30.079 because they're not. You got to treat it, like Schumpeter said, basically, 4007 04:00:30.360 --> 04:00:32.159 you know. And on the economic side. One of the 4008 04:00:32.200 --> 04:00:35.399 reasons he didn't oppose economic modeling. I mean, he was 4009 04:00:35.440 --> 04:00:39.399 a heterodox economist, but he wasn't like Avonnesian. He opposed 4010 04:00:39.440 --> 04:00:42.319 the economic modeling because he's like, basically, you need to 4011 04:00:42.360 --> 04:00:44.520 look at like two to three century like increments, and 4012 04:00:44.559 --> 04:00:46.920 you need to you know, you need to you need 4013 04:00:47.000 --> 04:00:49.719 to code the data they're in, you know, and then 4014 04:00:50.120 --> 04:00:52.399 and then you can get like a conceptual picture about 4015 04:00:52.479 --> 04:00:55.680 like what's happening, like you can't. But but like no, 4016 04:00:55.959 --> 04:00:58.719 if you nobody, that doesn't work. And like they in 4017 04:00:59.000 --> 04:01:00.840 I mean his era, he was talking about this, I 4018 04:01:00.920 --> 04:01:03.440 kind of the right of the advent that like television, 4019 04:01:04.360 --> 04:01:06.600 it like that you can't talk about econ policy and 4020 04:01:06.760 --> 04:01:08.719 like actual ters in the ear of television, all you 4021 04:01:08.760 --> 04:01:11.520 can talk about is really like the last administration or 4022 04:01:11.639 --> 04:01:14.559 like the last like fiscal season in terms of budgetary 4023 04:01:15.360 --> 04:01:18.040 or on public spending. You know, so trumpeters like, no, 4024 04:01:18.239 --> 04:01:20.040 just nobody's this is all going to get crowded out 4025 04:01:20.479 --> 04:01:22.840 by these guys who claim like, oh no, this is 4026 04:01:22.920 --> 04:01:25.280 this is the I you know, modeling like the last 4027 04:01:25.319 --> 04:01:28.079 five years of you know, this is why this is 4028 04:01:28.120 --> 04:01:29.959 what quantity of easing actually isn't you know, like a 4029 04:01:30.040 --> 04:01:33.520 bad thing or whatever, Like it's it's nonsense. So forgive 4030 04:01:33.559 --> 04:01:37.440 me for going on the analogy tangent. But if you 4031 04:01:37.479 --> 04:01:41.360 want to really, if you want to understand, like the 4032 04:01:41.440 --> 04:01:44.959 post Cold War conflict cycle, which I said it kicked 4033 04:01:45.000 --> 04:01:49.120 off really in earnest in nineteen ninety nine, that's only 4034 04:01:49.159 --> 04:01:52.239 going to be fully realized by mid century, in my opinion, 4035 04:01:52.559 --> 04:01:57.559 and kind of the great the great power paradigm is 4036 04:01:57.639 --> 04:02:00.879 gonna Central Asia is going to be the pre emory battlespace, 4037 04:02:00.959 --> 04:02:03.360 but it's gonna be very fluid in like the United States, 4038 04:02:03.440 --> 04:02:08.000 the Russian Federation, the PRC, Turkey to a lesser degree, 4039 04:02:08.040 --> 04:02:10.319 I Ran and also Syria is gonna play a role 4040 04:02:10.360 --> 04:02:12.040 in that because Syria and Iran, I've got to be 4041 04:02:12.120 --> 04:02:15.200 looked at as like a common actor and in military 4042 04:02:15.280 --> 04:02:19.200 matters Kazakhstan is gonna play a huge role, although not 4043 04:02:19.319 --> 04:02:23.840 like a military one. You know that that's that's the 4044 04:02:23.879 --> 04:02:26.639 way you've got to look at these developments. But you know, 4045 04:02:26.760 --> 04:02:33.920 the issue too with Russian enmity towards you know, towards 4046 04:02:34.000 --> 04:02:37.360 Jews and and vice versa. I mean that you've gotta 4047 04:02:38.399 --> 04:02:41.639 this pre seed, this predates the Soviet Union, and we 4048 04:02:41.760 --> 04:02:47.520 got into this and some of our earlier content. I'll 4049 04:02:47.559 --> 04:02:51.399 dive into that again for context if the thing that's appropriate. 4050 04:02:52.000 --> 04:02:54.600 But you know, I don't know why people they can't 4051 04:02:54.639 --> 04:02:58.000 get through their head that you know that that that 4052 04:02:58.440 --> 04:03:01.319 Russia is not some like in a state or something like. 4053 04:03:01.479 --> 04:03:03.680 I don't know, but it's because they're ignorant. It's because 4054 04:03:03.680 --> 04:03:07.799 they don't. But these guys also and one of the 4055 04:03:07.799 --> 04:03:10.000 reasons why and I'm sure everythings I'm an incordible snob 4056 04:03:10.159 --> 04:03:13.879 or just like some kind of like nasty OLII. You know, 4057 04:03:14.719 --> 04:03:16.920 there is always pointing out that like we're the one percent, 4058 04:03:17.159 --> 04:03:20.799 like almost nobody can actually understand politics like not. It's 4059 04:03:20.840 --> 04:03:23.399 so like mysterious, it's like present like intelligence. It's like 4060 04:03:23.440 --> 04:03:25.079 either you can like get these things or you don't. 4061 04:03:25.479 --> 04:03:29.040 You know, either you've got either you've got an aptitude 4062 04:03:29.120 --> 04:03:33.799 for discerning the kind of configurations of power at scale, 4063 04:03:34.079 --> 04:03:38.559 and you understand like what inputs like should be coded 4064 04:03:39.000 --> 04:03:41.239 in order to kind of predict the outcomes and understand 4065 04:03:41.479 --> 04:03:44.920 phenomena like as it's underway or like you don't okay, 4066 04:03:45.239 --> 04:03:50.680 and like probably the only majority these guys playing be 4067 04:03:50.760 --> 04:03:54.399 right wing. They have no idea they have they have 4068 04:03:54.479 --> 04:03:56.639 no idea about any of these things. They just they 4069 04:03:56.680 --> 04:03:58.840 don't like immigration and like, and don't get me wrong, 4070 04:03:58.959 --> 04:04:01.079 like that's not that's not misplaced or something. But I 4071 04:04:01.159 --> 04:04:04.360 mean nobody the immigration is never popular. Nobody likes immigration 4072 04:04:05.040 --> 04:04:08.840 except for ideologues or a hostile to the to the 4073 04:04:08.959 --> 04:04:12.040 state in question. They're not the state, but like I'm 4074 04:04:12.040 --> 04:04:14.559 in the nation in question that's available to these this 4075 04:04:14.719 --> 04:04:18.360 kind of state social engineering. They just like don't like immigration. 4076 04:04:18.520 --> 04:04:20.760 They don't like the irs, you know, like they've got 4077 04:04:20.840 --> 04:04:22.319 you know, they don't like what they look at is 4078 04:04:22.360 --> 04:04:25.239 like cultural degeneracy, I mean, which in reality is like 4079 04:04:25.239 --> 04:04:26.520 a social engineering regimen. 4080 04:04:26.920 --> 04:04:27.079 You know. 4081 04:04:27.120 --> 04:04:28.680 But like they don't they don't get any of this stuff. 4082 04:04:29.280 --> 04:04:29.440 You know. 4083 04:04:29.959 --> 04:04:31.799 That's why like they get mad at me and they're like, 4084 04:04:31.840 --> 04:04:34.159 I'm not gonna subscribe to anymore because why don't you 4085 04:04:34.239 --> 04:04:36.799 tell like it we'd jokes and like blood because man, 4086 04:04:36.879 --> 04:04:38.479 like you're not in the game. This is not this 4087 04:04:38.559 --> 04:04:41.040 is not the Illinois Republican Party or it's not like 4088 04:04:41.159 --> 04:04:44.120 the It's not like the it's not like the Chicago 4089 04:04:44.399 --> 04:04:49.159 like white nationalists like Grieven's platform or something, you know. Like, 4090 04:04:49.239 --> 04:04:51.520 I see what I see and I canclude, I can include. 4091 04:04:53.000 --> 04:04:56.120 It's not some like platform or something, you know. I mean, 4092 04:04:56.159 --> 04:05:00.520 I have my own like prejudices, I have my own 4093 04:05:02.879 --> 04:05:04.879 There's there's things I'd like to see developed. I've got 4094 04:05:04.920 --> 04:05:07.639 my own ideas on what like good government would constitute. 4095 04:05:08.000 --> 04:05:11.479 But it's not That's not what I'm doing, you know. 4096 04:05:11.600 --> 04:05:15.680 I mean, And so yeah, I think it's that I 4097 04:05:15.719 --> 04:05:17.920 don't know and createzy you have like no more tolerance 4098 04:05:17.959 --> 04:05:20.000 for these people. I don't. I'm not planning to go 4099 04:05:20.079 --> 04:05:24.159 anywhere anytime soon, like like in terms of like being unalive, 4100 04:05:24.760 --> 04:05:27.680 but you never know. And uh, there's more time behind 4101 04:05:27.719 --> 04:05:30.920 me than in front of me. I'm not trying any 4102 04:05:30.920 --> 04:05:32.959 more of it. I'm just like realistic about this. I'm 4103 04:05:32.959 --> 04:05:35.639 not gonna spend the time I've left like arguing with idiots. 4104 04:05:36.120 --> 04:05:37.559 You know, I'm not gonna spend time I've left like 4105 04:05:38.319 --> 04:05:40.600 like like trying to like wake up randoms and I 4106 04:05:40.680 --> 04:05:43.360 wouldn't be doing that anyway, but you know, so I don't. 4107 04:05:43.479 --> 04:05:45.799 I just don't like fuck with people like this, you know, 4108 04:05:45.920 --> 04:05:47.040 like they're not part of my. 4109 04:05:48.440 --> 04:05:49.399 World, you know. 4110 04:05:50.879 --> 04:05:54.000 Yeah, it's the It almost seems like they have this 4111 04:05:54.159 --> 04:05:57.000 very simplistic view of politics because they look at the 4112 04:05:57.079 --> 04:05:59.680 West and they see that the West is completely occupied. 4113 04:06:00.159 --> 04:06:03.559 So basically all the governments are have the same message. 4114 04:06:04.600 --> 04:06:07.000 And then they look at something like Ukraine and Russia 4115 04:06:07.079 --> 04:06:09.120 and it's like, oh, they must have the same message too, 4116 04:06:09.239 --> 04:06:11.799 because at least part of them is in Europe. And 4117 04:06:11.959 --> 04:06:16.959 then well, what so Israel is at war with itself 4118 04:06:17.239 --> 04:06:20.559 in Syria. Israel is at war with itself in Hesbal, 4119 04:06:20.799 --> 04:06:25.159 with Hesbela because Iran is Iran is supporting Hesbela, and 4120 04:06:25.440 --> 04:06:27.600 Iran gets a lot of their a lot of their 4121 04:06:27.680 --> 04:06:30.440 missiles and weapons from Russia. So what Israel is just 4122 04:06:30.520 --> 04:06:32.879 fighting itself is that? Like is that what the you know, 4123 04:06:32.920 --> 04:06:35.479 what they call the kosher sandwich. The kosher sandwich is 4124 04:06:35.559 --> 04:06:38.680 them killing themselves so that they can be on both 4125 04:06:38.760 --> 04:06:39.239 sides of it. 4126 04:06:41.040 --> 04:06:42.760 Well, yeah, I don't. Like I said, it's not some 4127 04:06:42.959 --> 04:06:46.319 thought out thing. It's just and most of these people are, 4128 04:06:47.200 --> 04:06:52.639 they're just it's a it's a thing, bumper sticker catchphrases 4129 04:06:52.719 --> 04:06:57.879 and a constellation of like personal prejudices and anxieties and 4130 04:06:58.079 --> 04:07:03.399 just a goofy stuff that you know, they they they 4131 04:07:03.520 --> 04:07:06.959 picked up because I got, you know, some some crazy 4132 04:07:07.200 --> 04:07:09.920 girlfriend or wife who like repeats dumb things. He's an 4133 04:07:10.000 --> 04:07:13.040 entertainment and they get mad about that, you know, Like 4134 04:07:13.120 --> 04:07:16.479 I said, it's not it's I don't know what they like. 4135 04:07:16.520 --> 04:07:19.120 They don't think, you know, And it's also too like 4136 04:07:19.200 --> 04:07:23.280 I don't. I mean, on the one hand, I was 4137 04:07:23.360 --> 04:07:25.559 making the point that like they quote red pill metaphors 4138 04:07:25.600 --> 04:07:28.200 idiotic and and even if it weren't like we're not 4139 04:07:28.319 --> 04:07:30.360 Joel lost means megature, it's we're not going door to 4140 04:07:30.440 --> 04:07:35.200 door to like red pill people. It's fucking retarded. I mean, 4141 04:07:35.200 --> 04:07:37.440 I would we wouldn't be doing that anyway. But like 4142 04:07:37.559 --> 04:07:42.479 conceptually it's retarded, but you know, it's not. It's not 4143 04:07:42.639 --> 04:07:47.840 complicated to recognize that the regime and anybody who serves 4144 04:07:47.920 --> 04:07:50.440 it is not your friend, and like these are your ops. 4145 04:07:50.520 --> 04:07:54.079 Like that's that's not complicated, but something like the nature 4146 04:07:55.319 --> 04:08:03.760 of Jewish power. There's like nuances to it. There's dynamics, psychological, sociological, 4147 04:08:05.840 --> 04:08:13.760 you know, to how human populations relate at scale. You know, 4148 04:08:14.079 --> 04:08:20.079 there's historical memory and kind of the way it the 4149 04:08:20.159 --> 04:08:23.719 way it presents itself only to a combination of you know, 4150 04:08:23.879 --> 04:08:27.200 like enduring conceptual prejudice and and kind of like myth 4151 04:08:27.280 --> 04:08:31.879 making within you know, insular cultures. Like that makes a difference. 4152 04:08:31.879 --> 04:08:34.040 And also like the culture in question, to what degree 4153 04:08:34.879 --> 04:08:40.840 they have a basically collectivist understanding or instinct towards like 4154 04:08:40.920 --> 04:08:44.920 collective memory, and to what degree you know there that's 4155 04:08:45.040 --> 04:08:48.239 not present. You know, like some culture are highly individualistic 4156 04:08:48.639 --> 04:08:52.559 despite also being like very very kind of like cognizant 4157 04:08:52.639 --> 04:08:58.040 of of friend any paradigms, like all this stuff are 4158 04:08:58.159 --> 04:09:02.959 very complicated, okay, And and then like on top of it, 4159 04:09:03.280 --> 04:09:07.200 like uh, Zionism itself is something of a house divided, 4160 04:09:08.200 --> 04:09:09.840 you know. It's like you've got to like you've got 4161 04:09:09.959 --> 04:09:12.559 to like account for that too, Like there's people kind 4162 04:09:12.559 --> 04:09:19.079 of within the that there's people within the same you 4163 04:09:19.159 --> 04:09:22.680 know kind of like ethnic and political and sociological constellation. 4164 04:09:23.440 --> 04:09:26.399 Or nevertheless, like at each other's throats, you know, and 4165 04:09:26.559 --> 04:09:29.360 like that that that leads to like strange outcomes. It's 4166 04:09:29.440 --> 04:09:31.840 like all of these things, you know, so you can't 4167 04:09:32.000 --> 04:09:35.040 just and I mean finally at the end of the 4168 04:09:35.159 --> 04:09:39.600 day again it's just I don't you know it. Uh, 4169 04:09:41.840 --> 04:09:44.559 that reminds me. It's almost the it's almost the converse 4170 04:09:44.680 --> 04:09:50.360 of these these dummy these truly like ignorant people who 4171 04:09:50.399 --> 04:09:53.360 think that like Donald Trump is like is doing things 4172 04:09:53.399 --> 04:09:57.120 to them personally. But they think that like they think 4173 04:09:57.159 --> 04:10:03.040 that like Holy Rollers and like anti abortion activists are 4174 04:10:03.600 --> 04:10:06.520 are going to like send them to like camps or something. 4175 04:10:06.639 --> 04:10:09.040 What that means. You know, there's some of these people 4176 04:10:09.079 --> 04:10:11.239 who think they literally think that like Jews are like 4177 04:10:11.319 --> 04:10:13.680 some kind of like sorcerers or something, and like they 4178 04:10:13.760 --> 04:10:17.200 literally control everything on this planet. You know, like uh 4179 04:10:18.760 --> 04:10:21.440 like the Man behind the Curtain and the Land of 4180 04:10:21.479 --> 04:10:23.600 Oz or something like that. Mean funny, but I'm not 4181 04:10:23.639 --> 04:10:25.520 really being funny. It's literally the way they think about it, 4182 04:10:26.239 --> 04:10:29.520 you know, Like, uh, like if you wake up in 4183 04:10:29.559 --> 04:10:31.159 the morning you have to take a piss. It's because 4184 04:10:31.200 --> 04:10:34.520 like there's like some Jewish guys somewhere who like programed 4185 04:10:34.559 --> 04:10:36.879 they into your brain by way of like a chemtrail 4186 04:10:37.000 --> 04:10:37.360 or something. 4187 04:10:37.639 --> 04:10:41.319 They're they're bigger Zionists. They're bigger Zionist inventionment. Yah. 4188 04:10:42.680 --> 04:10:44.920 Well yeah, because to them, like Jews are just like 4189 04:10:44.959 --> 04:10:47.879 there's like this all powerful like force. Like I mean, 4190 04:10:47.920 --> 04:10:51.280 don't get me wrong, there's it is. It's really strange 4191 04:10:52.920 --> 04:10:55.760 in absolute terms, within it in twenty within the paradigm 4192 04:10:55.760 --> 04:10:58.479 of the twentieth century, it makes it actually makes perfect 4193 04:10:58.559 --> 04:11:02.719 sense that like Zionist would capture this kind of like 4194 04:11:02.799 --> 04:11:07.799 outside as cloud. Okay, particularly in America, that shouldn't surprise anybody, 4195 04:11:08.280 --> 04:11:14.000 especially when you consider the you know, certain certain military 4196 04:11:14.079 --> 04:11:17.799 and strategic factors that kind of like rendered a perfect storm. 4197 04:11:18.040 --> 04:11:20.200 But that's why like I'm always talking about like Hannah 4198 04:11:20.360 --> 04:11:24.399 Arentz book, because I mean she that that's her whole point, 4199 04:11:24.920 --> 04:11:27.600 you know, like there's nothing that this shouldn't like come 4200 04:11:27.639 --> 04:11:31.200 to surprise anybody that these dynamics are present and that 4201 04:11:31.600 --> 04:11:34.959 they ended in like real tragedy. I mean, there's not 4202 04:11:35.079 --> 04:11:40.879 going tragedy like born of of this, but it uh yeah, 4203 04:11:41.040 --> 04:11:43.200 I mean it's it's but like I said, I don't 4204 04:11:44.600 --> 04:11:47.319 I my time is valuable to me and and plus 4205 04:11:47.399 --> 04:11:48.680 like I don't like what do I what do I 4206 04:11:48.760 --> 04:11:50.559 care what these people think? You know, they're not in 4207 04:11:50.680 --> 04:11:53.719 the game. Like basically it's sometime it's another show because 4208 04:11:53.760 --> 04:11:58.319 it's like I mean that this you know itself is complicated, 4209 04:11:58.399 --> 04:12:01.520 but you knows of all, like we're not we're not 4210 04:12:01.680 --> 04:12:04.280 or I'm not I'm not running for office, Okay, I'm 4211 04:12:04.280 --> 04:12:08.680 not trying to like build some party. I definitely have 4212 04:12:09.200 --> 04:12:13.120 a practical vision of what my people should be doing, 4213 04:12:13.239 --> 04:12:16.079 and we're doing it like literally, like every day, this 4214 04:12:16.200 --> 04:12:17.959 is the way I live my life, and thousands of 4215 04:12:18.120 --> 04:12:21.680 others live their lives who I am indexed with this 4216 04:12:21.799 --> 04:12:26.159 as well under way, but uh, you know, I uh 4217 04:12:29.040 --> 04:12:36.520 we're a vanguard tendency because we're shifting the conceptual perspective 4218 04:12:36.639 --> 04:12:42.760 and more partly clarifying it for you know, the one 4219 04:12:42.840 --> 04:12:45.520 percent who will follow us, you know, and that's what's 4220 04:12:45.559 --> 04:12:49.959 going to dictate, you know, the way forward for our people. 4221 04:12:50.760 --> 04:12:54.319 You know. It's not like somehow incorporating you know, like 4222 04:12:54.879 --> 04:12:58.120 quote unquote based ideas into like the Republican or the 4223 04:12:58.159 --> 04:13:03.719 Democrat party platform. Like it's not you're you're you're you're 4224 04:13:03.719 --> 04:13:05.879 asleep at the wheel if you think that, or you're 4225 04:13:05.920 --> 04:13:09.079 like mentally or you're mentally dead, like there's nothing to 4226 04:13:09.120 --> 04:13:11.159 do with what we're doing. And even if that's not 4227 04:13:11.239 --> 04:13:15.040 even possible anymore, you know, like that's that's totally backwards looking, 4228 04:13:16.000 --> 04:13:19.959 that's totally stunted thinking. That's just not the way things are. 4229 04:13:20.079 --> 04:13:22.440 And a lot of people also can't come to terms 4230 04:13:22.479 --> 04:13:25.399 with globalism or they just like don't understand it, like 4231 04:13:25.559 --> 04:13:29.440 even even aside from the the design of stuff, and 4232 04:13:30.319 --> 04:13:33.280 you know, they're kind of gross and misconceptions they're in. 4233 04:13:34.159 --> 04:13:36.360 Like people this idea that the world's like forever like 4234 04:13:36.479 --> 04:13:39.200 nineteen eighty or something. You know, like there's like this 4235 04:13:39.399 --> 04:13:42.559 firm border in America and that it's just been compromised 4236 04:13:42.559 --> 04:13:44.920 and it's like letting in bad people or that like 4237 04:13:45.600 --> 04:13:48.280 there's this thing called the West where it's like clearly 4238 04:13:48.360 --> 04:13:51.879 defined and you know, like the nation state remains king, 4239 04:13:52.079 --> 04:13:55.319 and you know, you've just got to like reverse the 4240 04:13:55.440 --> 04:13:58.280 lever on policy and there'll be some kind of like 4241 04:13:59.040 --> 04:14:01.280 it's some kind of like opper what back like times 4242 04:14:01.319 --> 04:14:04.079 a million, like you know, and if you get like 4243 04:14:04.159 --> 04:14:06.399 Donald Trump, and that don't even wrong. I like Trump. 4244 04:14:06.440 --> 04:14:08.920 I'm not like saying he's people shouldn't like him, But 4245 04:14:09.239 --> 04:14:11.440 the other idea he's gonna be like Eisenhower and he's 4246 04:14:11.479 --> 04:14:14.120 just gonna like deport like eighty million people or like 4247 04:14:14.479 --> 04:14:18.920 that's not even conceivable anymore, Okay, Like the state is dead, 4248 04:14:19.840 --> 04:14:23.520 like the Nermer system is collapsing around you. It's gonna 4249 04:14:23.559 --> 04:14:27.040 take about another like century and a half, but it's 4250 04:14:27.239 --> 04:14:29.680 like really kind of an earnest like and probably and 4251 04:14:29.760 --> 04:14:32.200 probably like another like centric probably like two to three 4252 04:14:32.239 --> 04:14:36.559 hundred years like that. That's memory who won't exist anymore. 4253 04:14:37.399 --> 04:14:41.920 But it's like collapsing all around you, like conceptually as 4254 04:14:41.920 --> 04:14:43.959 well as like physically, like the way people think about 4255 04:14:43.959 --> 04:14:46.360 like law and order and law enforcement like that, that's 4256 04:14:46.760 --> 04:14:49.639 that's going away. Like all kinds of all kinds of 4257 04:14:49.760 --> 04:14:56.000 things of a profound sociological character are happening, and people 4258 04:14:56.040 --> 04:14:58.520 like can't they like like it doesn't compute, like they 4259 04:14:58.559 --> 04:15:02.440 can't like understand it or someth thing. You know. So 4260 04:15:02.520 --> 04:15:05.840 there's that too, you know, to understand like the earlier issue, 4261 04:15:05.920 --> 04:15:10.360 like understand understand like Zionist power and understand like why 4262 04:15:10.840 --> 04:15:13.760 it's slipping right now, and understand kind of like why 4263 04:15:13.840 --> 04:15:17.639 it was able to insinuate itself into policy corridors and 4264 04:15:17.760 --> 04:15:20.879 and such like a it's such like a domineering way. 4265 04:15:21.159 --> 04:15:23.399 Like you've got to understand the Cold War. Understand the 4266 04:15:23.440 --> 04:15:25.760 Cold War. You got to understand what you understand Nerve 4267 04:15:25.920 --> 04:15:28.639 understand Nurmer. You got to understand like why World War 4268 04:15:28.680 --> 04:15:31.200 two is fought, you know, like understand that. You've got 4269 04:15:31.239 --> 04:15:35.399 to understand like you know, the Westphalian system and how 4270 04:15:35.440 --> 04:15:40.079 a combination of and how a combination of of conceptual 4271 04:15:40.120 --> 04:15:43.319 as well as like material factors. You know, like like 4272 04:15:43.799 --> 04:15:47.200 you know, just destroyed institutions like the Holy Roman Empire 4273 04:15:47.799 --> 04:15:49.680 and like rendered in so that there couldn't be like 4274 04:15:49.719 --> 04:15:53.000 a nothing like a like a Western Caliphate, which was 4275 04:15:53.079 --> 04:15:55.559 the way things were going, you know, not none terms 4276 04:15:55.639 --> 04:15:57.840 like Islam in the West. I mean like the Roman 4277 04:15:57.959 --> 04:16:00.440 Church basically was like heading that way. It's not some 4278 04:16:00.520 --> 04:16:04.760 trashing Catholics. It's not any trashing Catholicism. But you know, 4279 04:16:04.840 --> 04:16:07.040 like a thirty years war like change everything. So when 4280 04:16:07.079 --> 04:16:09.319 you see like unless you truly like understand these things, 4281 04:16:09.360 --> 04:16:12.280 you don't really understand what's going on right now, you know, 4282 04:16:12.760 --> 04:16:17.559 and you don't and like I said, the I'm rambling 4283 04:16:17.600 --> 04:16:22.360 at it, but you know, the the system wheel of 4284 04:16:22.520 --> 04:16:26.079 under is is dying at death by a thousand proverbial cuts. 4285 04:16:26.799 --> 04:16:29.079 It's just, uh, it's just gonna be a slow thing. 4286 04:16:29.440 --> 04:16:31.680 But it's already well under way. It's not gonna there's 4287 04:16:31.680 --> 04:16:33.719 not gonna be like a November ninth, like nineteen eighty 4288 04:16:33.840 --> 04:16:38.120 nine moment where like everything like collapses and like it's 4289 04:16:38.200 --> 04:16:41.760 no longer you know there, there's there's like no longer 4290 04:16:41.879 --> 04:16:46.479 like a functioning like uh like like regime government, Like 4291 04:16:46.559 --> 04:16:49.079 that's not gonna happen, you know for a lot. It's 4292 04:16:50.120 --> 04:16:52.399 it's like rubber eysed against that. But it's also like 4293 04:16:52.440 --> 04:16:57.479 America's unique both and like its size and and certain 4294 04:16:57.520 --> 04:17:00.239 other factors, and it's kind of like you know the 4295 04:17:00.319 --> 04:17:03.479 way there's still like there's still like localized like power 4296 04:17:03.559 --> 04:17:07.520 bases and things like that in a way that like 4297 04:17:07.559 --> 04:17:10.280 would be unthinkable in other countries. Like America is still 4298 04:17:10.280 --> 04:17:12.040 even though a lot of it's like a Potemkin village, 4299 04:17:12.040 --> 04:17:15.600 America still is like hugely rich compared to like everybody else. 4300 04:17:16.360 --> 04:17:19.520 So I mean, like it you can you can you 4301 04:17:19.559 --> 04:17:21.520 can solve a lot of problems and money, or at 4302 04:17:21.600 --> 04:17:23.040 least you can like staple off like a lot of 4303 04:17:23.120 --> 04:17:25.360 problems if you can like buy people off basically, and 4304 04:17:25.399 --> 04:17:26.920 there's like a lot of that going on right now 4305 04:17:27.280 --> 04:17:31.159 and that's going to continue. Okay, don't like things. 4306 04:17:30.959 --> 04:17:37.920 Like that, so switch gears a little bit. Our friend 4307 04:17:38.000 --> 04:17:40.799 Darryl Cooper was on the biggest podcast in the world 4308 04:17:41.399 --> 04:17:45.680 last week and uh echoed some, uh some of your 4309 04:17:45.760 --> 04:17:52.440 talking points, and through that he went he I think 4310 04:17:52.559 --> 04:17:58.280 doubled his subscribership on on sub stack, which was already substantial. Uh, 4311 04:17:58.559 --> 04:18:03.319 Darryl has Daryl has tens of thousands of paid subscribers 4312 04:18:03.399 --> 04:18:06.600 on the sub stack, and I don't think these are 4313 04:18:06.639 --> 04:18:09.879 all paid, but you know, his subscription just went through 4314 04:18:09.959 --> 04:18:14.079 the roof, and I don't know what did Uh. What 4315 04:18:14.200 --> 04:18:17.000 do you think about hearing uh, hearing some of the 4316 04:18:17.159 --> 04:18:21.239 things that you've been talking about for decades reaching millions 4317 04:18:21.280 --> 04:18:21.639 of people. 4318 04:18:25.479 --> 04:18:27.520 It's kind of wild. I mean it's kind of wild. 4319 04:18:27.600 --> 04:18:30.639 I don't follow her content heavidly, Like I know who 4320 04:18:30.719 --> 04:18:32.959 she is, but that's about it. Like when Cannas Owens 4321 04:18:33.000 --> 04:18:36.799 like retreated the other week. Yeah, and then I started 4322 04:18:36.879 --> 04:18:40.680 having people. I mean, this happened some before, but like 4323 04:18:40.799 --> 04:18:42.840 people like recognize me on the street a bunch now 4324 04:18:43.000 --> 04:18:45.159 and it's not me cheesing cloud. I don't do that. 4325 04:18:45.399 --> 04:18:49.559 I okay, not like doing it at all. I'm just 4326 04:18:49.639 --> 04:18:52.479 telling you literally, like people on the street now like 4327 04:18:52.559 --> 04:18:53.879 come up to me and they know who I am, 4328 04:18:55.000 --> 04:18:59.239 and it's kind of wild. It's it's kind of wild. 4329 04:18:59.280 --> 04:19:04.200 I mean, murder Made seems like a good dude. I 4330 04:19:04.280 --> 04:19:09.040 don't know him, you know I And it's totally fine 4331 04:19:09.280 --> 04:19:13.440 because I'm not like a cloud chaser. If people if 4332 04:19:13.440 --> 04:19:18.799 people repeat things I say, that's totally fine. I if 4333 04:19:18.879 --> 04:19:23.360 they don't credit me, I'd be salty if I'd be 4334 04:19:23.399 --> 04:19:26.040 salty if somebody was publishing stuff I wrote and claiming 4335 04:19:26.120 --> 04:19:28.959 it was theirs, or I'd be salty if somebody literally 4336 04:19:29.079 --> 04:19:34.040 like took like if they literally told one of my 4337 04:19:34.120 --> 04:19:38.520 pot episodes or something like that and dropped what amounts 4338 04:19:38.559 --> 04:19:41.280 to you know, kind of like a heterodox theory on 4339 04:19:41.399 --> 04:19:44.520 the war or something, and it's like, yeah, you know, 4340 04:19:44.639 --> 04:19:46.920 like this is my this, this is my conclusion. That 4341 04:19:47.040 --> 04:19:49.200 makes me very salty. But I mean, I don't I 4342 04:19:49.239 --> 04:19:51.520 don't expect people like murder Made to be like, oh, 4343 04:19:51.600 --> 04:19:53.799 this is what this guy said. I mean, you know 4344 04:19:54.040 --> 04:19:56.280 that's not I mean, gon'na be corny. But it's also 4345 04:19:56.360 --> 04:20:00.959 like it's not nobody's trying to take try to for 4346 04:20:01.120 --> 04:20:03.479 things or or put shade on me by doing that. 4347 04:20:03.639 --> 04:20:06.000 But it's it's it's a lot to get used to, man, 4348 04:20:06.840 --> 04:20:08.879 you know. But I mean, don't get me wrong, like 4349 04:20:08.879 --> 04:20:13.360 I'm incredibly blessed. I you know, I I don't know. 4350 04:20:13.399 --> 04:20:16.360 I mean, like life is strange, man, but I did 4351 04:20:16.399 --> 04:20:18.639 and I don't want to be like more bitter like 4352 04:20:21.159 --> 04:20:23.559 or at like like I had such a bad time 4353 04:20:23.600 --> 04:20:26.000 early on. I had a lot of advantages, but the 4354 04:20:26.079 --> 04:20:29.559 first half of my life, like adult life, it was 4355 04:20:29.639 --> 04:20:31.799 kind of rough, man like, and I mean a lot 4356 04:20:31.840 --> 04:20:34.600 of that was like my fault and some of it wasn't, 4357 04:20:34.680 --> 04:20:37.040 but a lot of it was. And at the end 4358 04:20:37.040 --> 04:20:39.680 of the day, you know, like how how you manage 4359 04:20:39.760 --> 04:20:43.559 things is it is on you, you know, and like 4360 04:20:43.959 --> 04:20:47.000 I mean, tragedy is gonna happen and you're like you're 4361 04:20:47.000 --> 04:20:51.879 gonna experience horror. And I didn't handle a lot of 4362 04:20:51.920 --> 04:20:54.399 this stuff real well, and I ended up in a 4363 04:20:54.479 --> 04:20:58.159 really really food our place. It's like I can't it's 4364 04:20:58.200 --> 04:21:03.399 like incredible, like in in a fucked up way. However, 4365 04:21:04.280 --> 04:21:06.760 I never wanted to kill myself, man, like, not just 4366 04:21:06.840 --> 04:21:11.520 because I think I got every strong survivor's instinct, like 4367 04:21:11.760 --> 04:21:13.600 like legit, like I do. I think I'm literally hard 4368 04:21:13.639 --> 04:21:16.079 to kill, Okay, not like I'm tough. I'm not like 4369 04:21:16.159 --> 04:21:18.000 any kind of fire or anything. I mean, like because 4370 04:21:18.040 --> 04:21:19.959 he allows me in spiritual am hard to kill. Okay. 4371 04:21:20.840 --> 04:21:25.000 But I in the back of my mind, even when 4372 04:21:25.040 --> 04:21:28.120 things are really bad, like like really bad, you know, 4373 04:21:28.159 --> 04:21:30.920 like I was like holmeless and stuff, I thought to myself, 4374 04:21:31.079 --> 04:21:34.600 like if I only hang on and find a way 4375 04:21:34.639 --> 04:21:37.879 out of this like fucked up thing, you know, like 4376 04:21:38.239 --> 04:21:40.719 like get a handle on on my addiction and get 4377 04:21:40.840 --> 04:21:44.760 well and get out of this kind of paradigm of 4378 04:21:45.000 --> 04:21:49.280 like of like violence of all kinds you know, like physical, 4379 04:21:49.399 --> 04:21:54.319 like spiritual and everything else. Like I can probably like 4380 04:21:54.479 --> 04:21:57.760 make something of myself, you know, by through like my 4381 04:21:57.879 --> 04:22:01.639 writing specifically, you know. And other times I thought like, well, 4382 04:22:01.719 --> 04:22:05.040 that's stupid, you know, that's it's way too wait for that. 4383 04:22:06.079 --> 04:22:08.639 But you know, I figured, then, well, it's like, okay, 4384 04:22:09.760 --> 04:22:11.520 at least it's like a cop people I care about, 4385 04:22:11.760 --> 04:22:15.520 and they've got like reams of stuff I wrote, so 4386 04:22:15.680 --> 04:22:21.440 like if I die, like they'll they'll be there for posterity. 4387 04:22:21.479 --> 04:22:23.079 And then like in the future arena it's only like, 4388 04:22:23.399 --> 04:22:26.200 you know, something like five guys or ten guys and 4389 04:22:26.319 --> 04:22:28.879 girls who like read something I wrote, and they're the 4390 04:22:28.920 --> 04:22:31.040 right kind of people, like they'll like carry that with 4391 04:22:31.200 --> 04:22:33.959 them and you know, maybe that'll have like a positive impact. 4392 04:22:34.079 --> 04:22:37.760 And especially because I don't have children, which is totally fine. 4393 04:22:38.239 --> 04:22:40.959 I'm only find being like a Chase sold in the apocalypse. 4394 04:22:41.079 --> 04:22:43.159 But this does make a difference if you're not like 4395 04:22:43.200 --> 04:22:45.239 a father, you know too, like, well, gee, what I 4396 04:22:45.280 --> 04:22:48.799 want to leave something behind men. But yeah, there was 4397 04:22:48.799 --> 04:22:50.600 a little bit personal man like forgive me for that. 4398 04:22:50.760 --> 04:22:56.479 But uh, that's I I appreciate that people find my 4399 04:22:56.840 --> 04:22:59.719 content worthwhile. And you know, like I said, it's uh, 4400 04:23:00.680 --> 04:23:03.280 I think myself first and foremost as a political theorist 4401 04:23:03.399 --> 04:23:08.440 and historical revisionist. But I also think I have something 4402 04:23:08.479 --> 04:23:11.680 to convey to people about the human condition, you know, 4403 04:23:12.920 --> 04:23:17.760 not because I'm so smart or so like moral. I mean, 4404 04:23:17.799 --> 04:23:20.559 I'm a depray of center, like of the worst sort, 4405 04:23:20.840 --> 04:23:24.959 like every man is every man and woman is. But 4406 04:23:25.399 --> 04:23:30.799 I I do think I have something to convey to 4407 04:23:30.879 --> 04:23:35.559 people that you know, in their own lives and especially 4408 04:23:35.639 --> 04:23:38.079 considering where like our people are situated at this like 4409 04:23:38.719 --> 04:23:44.360 you know, historical and epoch where I mean in some ways, 4410 04:23:46.319 --> 04:23:49.399 in some ways there's like plenty everywhere. In other ways 4411 04:23:50.600 --> 04:23:53.719 we really like like a devil is really winning, you know, 4412 04:23:54.079 --> 04:23:58.639 and it's perilous. It's hard to survive, especially for young people. 4413 04:23:59.600 --> 04:24:01.479 You know. I'm not I'm not I'm a sole survivor 4414 04:24:01.479 --> 04:24:04.399 out of my like little poetterie. Okay, I mean that 4415 04:24:05.600 --> 04:24:07.600 I try have to dwell on that. I'm not afraid 4416 04:24:07.639 --> 04:24:11.479 of dying. But there there's things implicit in what I 4417 04:24:11.559 --> 04:24:13.280 just said that they're kind of fucked up and like 4418 04:24:13.319 --> 04:24:17.120 I don't like to think about it, but I you know, 4419 04:24:17.760 --> 04:24:19.879 I don't. The young people today, I think are a 4420 04:24:19.959 --> 04:24:26.239 lot more squared away than was my generation, but it's 4421 04:24:26.280 --> 04:24:29.719 still like not easy to survive, you know, and it's 4422 04:24:29.760 --> 04:24:33.159 really hard being young, so especially I'm hoping that I 4423 04:24:33.239 --> 04:24:35.799 can convey some of that stuff. But yeah, that's again, 4424 04:24:35.840 --> 04:24:38.040 forget that probably got kind of personal and like rambly, 4425 04:24:38.159 --> 04:24:40.120 so like, forgive me for the no problem. 4426 04:24:40.959 --> 04:24:43.120 You've said that you don't believe that the there's going 4427 04:24:43.159 --> 04:24:44.879 to be an election this year. What does that look 4428 04:24:45.000 --> 04:24:45.280 like to you? 4429 04:24:49.200 --> 04:24:55.559 Well, yes, I dropped like a short take this morning 4430 04:24:55.959 --> 04:25:09.040 on on Twitter. This uh proposed uh ceasefire agreement pergazo. 4431 04:25:10.120 --> 04:25:13.319 You know, c i A has formally like it's emerging 4432 04:25:13.360 --> 04:25:16.159 from CIA, which is really unprecedented, and. 4433 04:25:16.760 --> 04:25:19.239 That's never happened before, right, because I was talking to 4434 04:25:19.319 --> 04:25:21.239 my wife about that, where you know, you have so 4435 04:25:21.319 --> 04:25:23.799 many questions. It's like, Okay, the CIA is proposing a 4436 04:25:23.879 --> 04:25:26.879 peace plan. It's like, oh wait a minute, that's not 4437 04:25:27.000 --> 04:25:30.239 the State Department, that's not the executive When the hell 4438 04:25:30.280 --> 04:25:32.440 has this ever happened before? Who's in charge? 4439 04:25:32.520 --> 04:25:37.520 It hasn't, It hasn't. So what I think is the 4440 04:25:37.639 --> 04:25:42.799 deep state is trying to extricate any impression that like 4441 04:25:43.079 --> 04:25:45.840 Missus Harris, or rather the regime that she at least 4442 04:25:47.360 --> 04:25:50.559 technically still serves it is like involved in this, like 4443 04:25:50.639 --> 04:25:53.840 they're they're they're not going to let her like grab 4444 04:25:53.959 --> 04:26:00.360 clout in that way. Okay, And that suggest to me 4445 04:26:00.559 --> 04:26:09.680 that they may be a bandon here. Okay. I still 4446 04:26:09.760 --> 04:26:11.920 maintain like there's not going to be like an election 4447 04:26:12.040 --> 04:26:16.680 in precedented terms if Missus Harris totally fucks this up 4448 04:26:17.760 --> 04:26:21.440 and there is like a deal hashed out in a 4449 04:26:21.520 --> 04:26:25.479 perbial smoke filled room between Peter Thiel and and you know, 4450 04:26:25.559 --> 04:26:30.959 Missus Harris is uh like Wall Street friends and whoever else, 4451 04:26:31.440 --> 04:26:33.040 and they just like decide to give it to Trump 4452 04:26:33.239 --> 04:26:35.719 like there's still not going to be an election. You know, 4453 04:26:35.799 --> 04:26:38.360 that'll just mean that Trump gets the nod. And I think, 4454 04:26:40.079 --> 04:26:48.440 like a dear friend, Jay Burden pointed this out, and 4455 04:26:49.719 --> 04:26:53.120 so did uh, so did my other my other buddy. 4456 04:26:53.319 --> 04:26:57.319 Second of this, he's the latter. He's a guy who's 4457 04:26:57.360 --> 04:27:01.000 been around. He's the guy like uh who like finangled 4458 04:27:01.040 --> 04:27:02.799 the press pass and was able to like you know, 4459 04:27:03.639 --> 04:27:08.680 subversively like get inside the d n C. But yeah, 4460 04:27:08.719 --> 04:27:13.159 both me the point that you know Trump has on paper, 4461 04:27:13.280 --> 04:27:16.440 Trump has a lot of assets. He does not have 4462 04:27:16.440 --> 04:27:19.479 a lot of liquid capital. You know, it's not some 4463 04:27:19.639 --> 04:27:24.559 bash on Trump, that's just reality. And you know, his 4464 04:27:24.760 --> 04:27:29.120 war chest, uh what remained of it was depleted by 4465 04:27:29.719 --> 04:27:32.479 like this like lawfair nonsense. And I mean a lot 4466 04:27:32.520 --> 04:27:35.799 of these a lot of these complaints that were brought 4467 04:27:35.840 --> 04:27:39.799 against him, like they were like laughable, you know, but 4468 04:27:40.079 --> 04:27:43.760 at the point was I mean, they they were trying 4469 04:27:43.840 --> 04:27:46.159 to you know, they were they were filed in jurisdictions 4470 04:27:46.399 --> 04:27:48.879 where they wouldn't simply get laughed out of court. So 4471 04:27:48.920 --> 04:27:51.719 I mean, even even if it only proceeded to like 4472 04:27:51.840 --> 04:27:54.799 you know, preliminary stages that cost they cost money to 4473 04:27:54.879 --> 04:27:58.559 fight that ship. You know. So like what I'm getting 4474 04:27:58.600 --> 04:28:00.360 as that I don't think Trump has I don't I 4475 04:28:00.399 --> 04:28:05.360 don't think Trump has any money, okay, and that makes 4476 04:28:05.440 --> 04:28:10.159 him beholden the people. When you're beholden the people, you're 4477 04:28:10.239 --> 04:28:16.040 no longer like a wild card variable, you know. And 4478 04:28:18.200 --> 04:28:21.639 like I said, uh, Teal is a weird guy. I 4479 04:28:21.719 --> 04:28:23.920 think I don't want to get into like an argument, 4480 04:28:23.959 --> 04:28:25.280 not with you, but I mean, I don't want to 4481 04:28:25.360 --> 04:28:28.040 rehash the Peter Teal thing, like whatever can be said 4482 04:28:28.040 --> 04:28:31.760 about him, and like his character and stuff. He's not 4483 04:28:31.879 --> 04:28:34.399 like a dummy, especially about money. He's not gonna be 4484 04:28:34.479 --> 04:28:37.040 like pumping money into the Trump campaign for the sake 4485 04:28:37.079 --> 04:28:43.159 of appearances or something, you know. So that's where I'm 4486 04:28:43.200 --> 04:28:49.120 at with it. But I still don't believe that it's 4487 04:28:49.200 --> 04:28:53.079 just gonna be this, you know. Okay, We're we're gonna 4488 04:28:53.120 --> 04:28:57.040 return to, you know, having an election day where people 4489 04:28:57.520 --> 04:29:00.799 you know, where we're like US citizen like present an 4490 04:29:00.840 --> 04:29:03.719 ID on election day and then they cast a vote 4491 04:29:04.000 --> 04:29:06.559 at a polling place, and then those votes are tallied 4492 04:29:07.000 --> 04:29:09.719 and then at the conclusion of election day. You know, 4493 04:29:09.879 --> 04:29:13.680 the man or the or the lady you who is 4494 04:29:13.760 --> 04:29:15.920 telling the most votes of the president United States. That's 4495 04:29:15.959 --> 04:29:17.639 never going to happen again, you know. 4496 04:29:21.559 --> 04:29:25.319 So before we started recording, I was telling you about 4497 04:29:27.079 --> 04:29:30.920 you probably saw this thing out of Springfield, Ohio. Basically 4498 04:29:31.000 --> 04:29:36.200 a town fifty two thousand people, mostly white, and they 4499 04:29:36.360 --> 04:29:40.159 just injected like twenty thousand Haitians into it at once. 4500 04:29:41.360 --> 04:29:47.639 And I don't I don't want to sound like, Look, 4501 04:29:48.760 --> 04:29:51.200 I would love to see a bunch of Mexicans go 4502 04:29:51.319 --> 04:29:55.360 back to Mexico. But I deal with Mexicans all the time, 4503 04:29:56.360 --> 04:29:59.280 and for the most part, we get along, no problem 4504 04:29:59.680 --> 04:30:05.239 at all. I've lived around Haitians before in South Florida. 4505 04:30:06.479 --> 04:30:10.159 This is a different breed of people. This is literally 4506 04:30:10.360 --> 04:30:16.360 a government that was founded upon slaughtering white people, every 4507 04:30:16.399 --> 04:30:18.799 white person on the island. And then they did a 4508 04:30:18.879 --> 04:30:22.600 human sacrifice and asked a demon to bless them, and 4509 04:30:23.840 --> 04:30:28.040 that's how their country was founded. There are reports that 4510 04:30:28.120 --> 04:30:33.159 they're eating ducks out of parks, some woman ate some 4511 04:30:33.559 --> 04:30:39.840 some was on the lawn somewhere eating someone's cat. These 4512 04:30:40.079 --> 04:30:45.639 people historically are not should not be here, should not 4513 04:30:45.799 --> 04:30:50.280 be around white people. The Domerican Republic shoots on site 4514 04:30:50.319 --> 04:30:53.000 and they share an island. What the fuck do you 4515 04:30:53.079 --> 04:30:53.520 do about this? 4516 04:30:54.639 --> 04:30:58.719 Well, I mean I met ground zero of the refugee invasion. 4517 04:30:58.879 --> 04:31:02.399 Like you know, these refugees are are they're cartel guys, 4518 04:31:02.639 --> 04:31:07.200 like cartel errand boys. They're like Venezuelan street dudes. You know, 4519 04:31:07.360 --> 04:31:11.639 they're they're they're wackos from mental institutions. They're guys like 4520 04:31:11.760 --> 04:31:14.120 literally like a price on their head or like on 4521 04:31:14.280 --> 04:31:18.159 the run from like Honduras. It's a bunch of military 4522 04:31:18.200 --> 04:31:23.479 age males who are like I mean, it's literally like 4523 04:31:23.520 --> 04:31:26.440 an evasing force. Like one of these idiots was like 4524 04:31:26.840 --> 04:31:29.840 squeezing off shots that like towards O block because he's 4525 04:31:29.879 --> 04:31:32.760 trying to apparently like this went like viral on TikTok 4526 04:31:32.879 --> 04:31:36.040 or something. It's like I said to the hood guys, 4527 04:31:36.479 --> 04:31:42.440 there's gonna you know, this is a this is gonna 4528 04:31:42.479 --> 04:31:46.399 cause a potentially like a bloodbath in terms of like 4529 04:31:46.559 --> 04:31:52.159 gangster ship. And obviously the only the only point of 4530 04:31:52.200 --> 04:31:56.239 the policy is an arco tyranny, like you don't and 4531 04:31:56.399 --> 04:31:59.280 it's it's it's becoming increasing increasing like laid beer. Like 4532 04:31:59.399 --> 04:32:01.840 it's just like why are they they're taking these like 4533 04:32:01.920 --> 04:32:04.719 guys who've been like chased out of Pakistan, you know, 4534 04:32:04.840 --> 04:32:08.120 like all military age males, and like dropping them in Ireland. 4535 04:32:08.479 --> 04:32:10.239 Like why would they even occur to anybody? Like that 4536 04:32:10.319 --> 04:32:13.239 literally doesn't make any sense. And even even by the 4537 04:32:13.360 --> 04:32:16.520 internal kind of like perverses, it may be like logic 4538 04:32:17.879 --> 04:32:21.760 of you know, kind of these un resolutions on unlike refugees, 4539 04:32:22.399 --> 04:32:26.680 if you're a ref if you're a true refugee, you're 4540 04:32:26.760 --> 04:32:33.799 required to apply for what do you call it amnesty 4541 04:32:34.120 --> 04:32:41.319 or whatever? Not amnesty, but in the first likewecan say, stylum, sylum, Yeah, 4542 04:32:41.319 --> 04:32:45.680 thank you. So there's guys from Pakistan just ending up 4543 04:32:45.680 --> 04:32:49.079 in rural Ireland, I mean like that they're just got 4544 04:32:49.319 --> 04:32:51.319 like they're gonna they're gonna boat lift a bunch of 4545 04:32:51.399 --> 04:32:55.680 Haitians into like Alabama. I mean, like it's obvious what's 4546 04:32:55.719 --> 04:33:00.479 going on here. I mean, and it's really the only 4547 04:33:02.440 --> 04:33:04.360 the only way people are gonna be able to mitigate 4548 04:33:04.560 --> 04:33:09.840 or remedy that until you know, the regime is forced 4549 04:33:09.880 --> 04:33:11.639 to stop these things, and it will happen. But like 4550 04:33:11.720 --> 04:33:14.360 I said, it maybe in real long process. You know, 4551 04:33:14.479 --> 04:33:17.200 you've got you've got to think locally you absolutely have 4552 04:33:17.400 --> 04:33:20.200 to think locally. And I'm not trying to sound corny, 4553 04:33:20.240 --> 04:33:22.360 You're like it takes a village. Like what I mean 4554 04:33:22.479 --> 04:33:27.040 is in practical terms, in common self defense terms, especially, 4555 04:33:27.639 --> 04:33:31.759 okay and most especially, this cannot be ended enough. You've 4556 04:33:31.840 --> 04:33:34.919 got to think locally. You've got to defend your own hood, 4557 04:33:34.919 --> 04:33:36.840 you've got to defend your own family, you gotta defend 4558 04:33:36.840 --> 04:33:44.200 your own community. And you know when our people come 4559 04:33:44.959 --> 04:33:50.119 catch like punitive flag for this, whether in the former 4560 04:33:50.240 --> 04:33:54.479 like law fair or a malicious prosecution, like we've got 4561 04:33:54.560 --> 04:33:57.000 to show up to defend them to okay, in a 4562 04:33:57.080 --> 04:33:59.840 broad front kind of way, you know, like socially pulit 4563 04:34:00.159 --> 04:34:03.200 we legally every other way. I'm not gonna like fed 4564 04:34:03.279 --> 04:34:05.400 speak or you know they go on a fed post thing, 4565 04:34:06.080 --> 04:34:10.240 like you absolutely must do these things. And you know 4566 04:34:10.360 --> 04:34:14.080 that's why, like I said, like I I'm always coming 4567 04:34:14.119 --> 04:34:17.240 back to social capital and where we're we're accomplishing that. 4568 04:34:17.680 --> 04:34:19.959 And every time I see that, there's like a there's 4569 04:34:20.000 --> 04:34:22.799 like a bunch of like randos who like who send 4570 04:34:22.919 --> 04:34:25.040 who send me like emails or DMS or something like 4571 04:34:25.720 --> 04:34:29.159 like like I'm like I'm asking a felt job applications 4572 04:34:29.240 --> 04:34:31.319 or something like it's now I'm talking about you don't 4573 04:34:31.360 --> 04:34:33.119 get to like we're not we're not building some like 4574 04:34:33.240 --> 04:34:35.799 community of beast people. And like it's not like going 4575 04:34:35.880 --> 04:34:38.240 to chuck e cheese or something. You don't like get 4576 04:34:38.240 --> 04:34:40.639 a ticket you can come to like you got to 4577 04:34:40.680 --> 04:34:43.360 do this ship in your own orbit, in your own life, 4578 04:34:43.560 --> 04:34:46.680 in your own locale. You know, it's not some paint 4579 04:34:46.759 --> 04:34:49.080 my numbers thing. But at the same time, it's also 4580 04:34:49.159 --> 04:34:54.439 should like naturally happen, you know, I mean five years ago, 4581 04:34:54.560 --> 04:34:56.880 I didn't know any of you guys. Okay, Like now 4582 04:34:56.919 --> 04:35:02.319 you're like my family now, like we have like we're 4583 04:35:02.560 --> 04:35:05.880 literally like you know, tens of thousands strong. Like now 4584 04:35:06.080 --> 04:35:09.759 like I do have an actual physical community that I'm 4585 04:35:10.159 --> 04:35:12.080 gonna start spending a good part of the year in 4586 04:35:12.880 --> 04:35:16.799 where there's like thousands of us who deliberately like took 4587 04:35:16.880 --> 04:35:20.400 these measures. That's all you can do, Okay. And it's 4588 04:35:20.439 --> 04:35:21.959 not like I don't mean that like some kind of 4589 04:35:22.000 --> 04:35:26.040 minimal like like it's some kind of like minimum remedy 4590 04:35:26.400 --> 04:35:28.080 like this is the this is the way out. 4591 04:35:28.759 --> 04:35:28.919 You know. 4592 04:35:29.080 --> 04:35:31.799 Don't fuck with regime stuff, don't index with it, don't 4593 04:35:31.880 --> 04:35:36.119 legitimize it, don't type your finances with it. Don't don't 4594 04:35:36.159 --> 04:35:39.240 become reliant on a job with it. You know, like 4595 04:35:39.360 --> 04:35:41.560 you have got to quit all of this ship. And 4596 04:35:41.680 --> 04:35:43.959 you can do it. Today there's a lot of capital 4597 04:35:44.000 --> 04:35:46.360 looking for a place to go. It's very easy to 4598 04:35:46.439 --> 04:35:50.840 raise money these days. It's very easy to stay connected 4599 04:35:51.360 --> 04:35:56.680 with your peoples. Okay, if I can do it, anybody 4600 04:35:56.720 --> 04:35:59.840 can do it. Okay. It's not a question like this 4601 04:35:59.880 --> 04:36:01.880 is like guy's hands. This is the way, like history 4602 04:36:01.959 --> 04:36:04.799 is moving. Okay, So it's all you gotta do is 4603 04:36:04.840 --> 04:36:07.759 like show up and be correct. It's the end of 4604 04:36:07.799 --> 04:36:08.279 my Stirne. 4605 04:36:09.799 --> 04:36:11.840 Yeah, I was. I've been talking to some of our 4606 04:36:11.880 --> 04:36:14.159 guys over the past couple of days when these videos 4607 04:36:14.200 --> 04:36:17.279 started coming out, especially from Ohio, and then you know, 4608 04:36:17.560 --> 04:36:20.400 we got we got people down here everything with the 4609 04:36:20.439 --> 04:36:25.360 old Glory Club, and I think we're pretty much of 4610 04:36:25.520 --> 04:36:32.360 the opinion that if anything is going to and I 4611 04:36:32.400 --> 04:36:35.119 don't want this to happen. I'm not advocating for this 4612 04:36:35.319 --> 04:36:40.000 to happen. Anyone who's listening, if anything could cause the 4613 04:36:40.119 --> 04:36:46.759 right to go kinetic, it's this. It's seeing those videos 4614 04:36:47.000 --> 04:36:50.919 on Twitter, seeing you know, America First Legal just put 4615 04:36:50.959 --> 04:36:55.400 out a thing today a long thread today talking about 4616 04:36:55.880 --> 04:36:59.759 where these Haitians, how these Haitians got here, and how 4617 04:36:59.799 --> 04:37:03.680 many any are actually here right now? And this is 4618 04:37:04.880 --> 04:37:08.599 I I'm not I don't like making predictions, but a 4619 04:37:08.759 --> 04:37:10.599 friend of mine said, make predictions. It means you got 4620 04:37:10.639 --> 04:37:14.360 skin in the game. I'm thinking that if anything is 4621 04:37:14.400 --> 04:37:16.279 going to make the right Gough kinectic, it might be this. 4622 04:37:18.599 --> 04:37:22.799 Yeah, I say, it's already happened. It's already happening. I mean, 4623 04:37:22.840 --> 04:37:25.880 I if I seem I do not at all, like 4624 04:37:26.000 --> 04:37:28.279 maybe be like flipping about this. If I seem that way, 4625 04:37:29.319 --> 04:37:32.479 I'm always behind enemy lines. I always have been, I 4626 04:37:32.560 --> 04:37:34.639 always will be because I'm never gonna leave here for 4627 04:37:34.840 --> 04:37:36.240 you know, I'm always gonna spend at least part of 4628 04:37:36.240 --> 04:37:38.319 the year here. So I mean, this is just this 4629 04:37:38.479 --> 04:37:40.560 is my every day like I'm not and it always 4630 04:37:40.599 --> 04:37:42.520 has been. But I'm not saying like, oh, I'm such 4631 04:37:42.520 --> 04:37:44.680 a bit ass so like you know, I I know 4632 04:37:44.799 --> 04:37:47.080 better than anybody else like that, That's not what I'm 4633 04:37:47.080 --> 04:37:49.400 saying at all. Like what I'm saying is that like 4634 04:37:49.520 --> 04:37:54.240 I I I don't even like notice it anymore, you know, 4635 04:37:55.799 --> 04:38:01.799 because of where I live. But uh, yeah, obviously what 4636 04:38:01.840 --> 04:38:08.000 they're doing, is the regimes trying to compromise readouts potentially 4637 04:38:10.840 --> 04:38:14.040 and UH as well as compromise the ability of UH 4638 04:38:16.119 --> 04:38:21.959 of people to mobilize locally. But they're not gonna be 4639 04:38:22.000 --> 04:38:23.759 able to They're not gonna be able to do it. 4640 04:38:24.040 --> 04:38:27.119 And what we're up on. It's not a numbers game, 4641 04:38:27.240 --> 04:38:31.799 but like in terms of God forbid uh, you know, 4642 04:38:31.919 --> 04:38:34.439 like a ross and krieg, or in terms of like 4643 04:38:36.479 --> 04:38:39.439 in terms of like racial like war politics, I mean 4644 04:38:39.439 --> 04:38:42.439 it's a conflict politics. Rather, it's a spectrum. I mean 4645 04:38:42.680 --> 04:38:45.560 we are seventy million strong, you know, in terms of 4646 04:38:45.599 --> 04:38:48.040 people who are like, yeah, I don't I don't vote 4647 04:38:48.040 --> 04:38:49.880 for like the one weight nation thing, you know, like 4648 04:38:50.000 --> 04:38:54.279 I just profound differences between people based on ethnos. But 4649 04:38:55.240 --> 04:38:58.119 in terms of like silent majority coalition stuff, I mean, 4650 04:38:58.240 --> 04:39:00.639 these are the people we do stand with, you know, 4651 04:39:00.840 --> 04:39:05.919 like when Shiit is hot, I mean again, there's like 4652 04:39:06.000 --> 04:39:08.439 seventy million of us. We're not We're not gonna take 4653 04:39:08.439 --> 04:39:10.319 a knee and get our asses kicked. A bunch of 4654 04:39:10.439 --> 04:39:14.000 like I went to like filonious creeps, like being chased 4655 04:39:14.000 --> 04:39:17.040 out of their own like freaking bailed state shiphole countries. 4656 04:39:18.080 --> 04:39:21.720 No fucking chance, you know. But I mean we're always 4657 04:39:22.000 --> 04:39:27.040 we're always outnumbered, man, I mean I I you know, 4658 04:39:27.119 --> 04:39:30.799 like guys who got I know, some of the fellas 4659 04:39:30.840 --> 04:39:36.639 a you know who what fuck with us heavily and 4660 04:39:36.880 --> 04:39:40.680 our great guys and like lots of some of these 4661 04:39:40.720 --> 04:39:42.639 guys like been in prison and stuff before they turn 4662 04:39:42.680 --> 04:39:45.360 their life around. Thank God, I've never really been in prison. 4663 04:39:45.400 --> 04:39:47.360 I've only ever had to like freaking stay in jail 4664 04:39:47.400 --> 04:39:49.520 for a couple of days. But you know, like these 4665 04:39:49.560 --> 04:39:51.919 guys said, you know, like if you're like a you know, 4666 04:39:51.919 --> 04:39:53.560 I feel like a white dude who's down like you 4667 04:39:53.720 --> 04:39:56.119 you you basically like walk the yard alone and like, 4668 04:39:57.360 --> 04:40:01.040 you know, not just because you know, know that's that's 4669 04:40:01.080 --> 04:40:04.560 like the fate of the master Cast. But it's also 4670 04:40:04.599 --> 04:40:06.439 because like we're not we're not a munch of freaking 4671 04:40:06.479 --> 04:40:11.279 tribal primitives. Like we're not. We're not people need you know, 4672 04:40:11.400 --> 04:40:14.240 some kind of like we need some kind of like 4673 04:40:14.279 --> 04:40:20.040 collectivist paradigm to function, you know, like and I emphasize 4674 04:40:20.040 --> 04:40:22.439 the other people again and again. And that's like there's 4675 04:40:22.680 --> 04:40:27.119 a younger like like younger made a lot of that. 4676 04:40:27.680 --> 04:40:29.040 That's why I like it irritates me with people like 4677 04:40:29.159 --> 04:40:30.759 like when I when I talk about like being a 4678 04:40:30.799 --> 04:40:33.840 wood and like walking alone path like people like some 4679 04:40:33.919 --> 04:40:36.720 like esoteric thing that's like indecipherable but they don't want 4680 04:40:36.720 --> 04:40:39.240 to have to fucking talking about it irritates me. But 4681 04:40:39.400 --> 04:40:42.119 it's obvious if you're in the game. And well, I 4682 04:40:42.159 --> 04:40:45.520 mean this, this is where it's at. I I get 4683 04:40:45.560 --> 04:40:49.080 on the bus every morning and when I leave my 4684 04:40:49.200 --> 04:40:52.360 little town, which is like, you know, fifteen, like eighteen 4685 04:40:52.400 --> 04:40:56.240 minutes north of downtown. Like, uh, I mean, I'm a 4686 04:40:56.439 --> 04:41:00.840 minority here, but like, let's like less, it's less, h 4687 04:41:02.599 --> 04:41:06.360 the volume is little less. But uh ever I go 4688 04:41:07.400 --> 04:41:09.360 during my day, I'm out number one thousand to one. 4689 04:41:10.040 --> 04:41:15.880 You know, it doesn't shake me up. I mean obviously obviously, 4690 04:41:16.080 --> 04:41:19.479 uh I. I want to return to kind of the 4691 04:41:21.319 --> 04:41:24.479 the proverbial like warm yet iron embrace and my own people. 4692 04:41:24.680 --> 04:41:27.720 And that's again why like I'm so lucky to have 4693 04:41:27.919 --> 04:41:30.240 clicked up with you guys, and why I've kind of 4694 04:41:30.279 --> 04:41:32.400 found my home away from home in the south Land. 4695 04:41:33.599 --> 04:41:37.400 But uh oh, I can fucking thrive anywhere, man. 4696 04:41:38.159 --> 04:41:42.680 You know, well, let's end on a you know, somewhat 4697 04:41:42.799 --> 04:41:46.479 positive or let's see if you're on this positive, it's 4698 04:41:46.560 --> 04:41:51.520 like a FD one like three different three different areas, 4699 04:41:51.560 --> 04:41:55.919 three different states in in Germany. I think they're all former. 4700 04:41:56.119 --> 04:41:59.560 I think they're all former DVR area, which makes yes. 4701 04:42:00.319 --> 04:42:05.040 But I was great, Yeah, what do you think about that? No, 4702 04:42:05.159 --> 04:42:06.720 I mean, that's that's good news. And I know the 4703 04:42:06.840 --> 04:42:11.040 dude he's I don't want to docs and I know 4704 04:42:11.240 --> 04:42:12.799 I know the dude who is kind of the unofficial 4705 04:42:12.880 --> 04:42:15.560 liaison of a FD in America. You know, he's like 4706 04:42:15.599 --> 04:42:17.080 an East Coast and to do It'll leave it at that, 4707 04:42:17.400 --> 04:42:21.080 and he he's been very cool to me man, and 4708 04:42:21.200 --> 04:42:26.080 so of so of h a lot of his friends. 4709 04:42:26.919 --> 04:42:28.360 One of the reasons why I don't like people being 4710 04:42:28.400 --> 04:42:30.159 down on the gropers like this, the say of de 4711 04:42:30.279 --> 04:42:32.759 do in question, like a lot of his, a lot 4712 04:42:32.799 --> 04:42:34.919 of his is a lot of the dudes that he 4713 04:42:35.959 --> 04:42:37.880 a lot of the dudes that he he rides with 4714 04:42:38.279 --> 04:42:40.439 here in America are like the East Coast grapers and 4715 04:42:40.439 --> 04:42:42.520 they're like, they're like fucking solid as dudes. I got 4716 04:42:42.799 --> 04:42:44.439 I got love for the East Coast brapers. 4717 04:42:44.520 --> 04:42:44.639 Man. 4718 04:42:44.759 --> 04:42:46.799 That's I mean. I don't like people like ship talking 4719 04:42:46.880 --> 04:42:49.080 others anyway unless they're truly like one of our ops 4720 04:42:49.119 --> 04:42:50.639 and like a piece of ship. I just don't like it. 4721 04:42:50.799 --> 04:42:53.479 But I know some people got issues with the grapers, 4722 04:42:55.080 --> 04:42:56.599 but I I want to shout out that I got 4723 04:42:56.639 --> 04:42:59.560 love for them. I ground today and some other things. 4724 04:42:59.639 --> 04:43:02.040 But no, they are, they have d They're good dudes. 4725 04:43:02.080 --> 04:43:07.279 They're serious dudes. But the problem is, you know, that 4726 04:43:07.439 --> 04:43:10.000 kind of breakout momentum they're cultivating, they're they're just going 4727 04:43:10.040 --> 04:43:13.840 to be banned, you know if uh, if they continue, 4728 04:43:15.319 --> 04:43:19.560 assuming they don't just like kind of like peak like 4729 04:43:19.680 --> 04:43:22.639 with some kind of obviously they're they're beyond just like 4730 04:43:22.720 --> 04:43:24.680 being some like you know, having some like little stronghold 4731 04:43:24.759 --> 04:43:28.799 in Saxony or whatever. But there's always a point at which, 4732 04:43:28.959 --> 04:43:33.680 uh that there's always a point at which, uh the 4733 04:43:33.720 --> 04:43:36.279 boon is for public. Like there's some like bands like 4734 04:43:36.400 --> 04:43:41.840 parties that you know are are serious about, you know, 4735 04:43:41.919 --> 04:43:46.599 dismantling the occupation regime. So unfortunately that's the fate of 4736 04:43:46.680 --> 04:43:49.880 af D, like if they continue on this path of 4737 04:43:49.919 --> 04:43:53.040 the success. But it does, but it is positive because 4738 04:43:54.040 --> 04:44:01.000 you know, they're that regime is uh is losing credibility 4739 04:44:02.240 --> 04:44:07.759 just like you know, the just just like it's just 4740 04:44:07.880 --> 04:44:11.000 like get the the host regime from which it was emergent. 4741 04:44:11.360 --> 04:44:15.119 You know here in America is losing any legitimacy. You know, 4742 04:44:16.759 --> 04:44:19.439 like NATO literally pulled off a massive terrorist attack in 4743 04:44:19.479 --> 04:44:23.360 German infrastructure, basically tank their economy, and like now they're 4744 04:44:23.720 --> 04:44:25.840 especially at bank roll like this kind of permanent like 4745 04:44:25.919 --> 04:44:28.880 desionist war against Russia. Like you think, how do you 4746 04:44:28.880 --> 04:44:31.560 how do you sell that as like sensible government, you know, 4747 04:44:31.680 --> 04:44:34.639 like it's not long for this earth. So it's something 4748 04:44:34.680 --> 04:44:38.919 to watch. And I can actually I can basically decipher 4749 04:44:39.000 --> 04:44:40.720 German media like a do all. I'm not at all 4750 04:44:40.759 --> 04:44:43.040 fluent in German, but I can. I can basically read 4751 04:44:43.080 --> 04:44:46.759 it and understand it, unlike say, like you know, trying 4752 04:44:46.799 --> 04:44:48.720 to try to get sense for what's happening in like 4753 04:44:48.799 --> 04:44:54.159 TV France or or or Russia or something. But yeah, no, 4754 04:44:54.319 --> 04:44:58.240 God God blessed the the German guys, a lot of 4755 04:44:58.240 --> 04:45:00.799 a lot of whom are are big supporters of my 4756 04:45:00.959 --> 04:45:03.319 stuff and and just like good guys man, you know, 4757 04:45:04.799 --> 04:45:08.720 my heart's always with the Germans. I mean, I'm I'm 4758 04:45:08.759 --> 04:45:11.360 very much like an anglophone person. I'm like, oh, I 4759 04:45:11.479 --> 04:45:14.400 am like an ulster bastard like you know, I'm like more, 4760 04:45:14.680 --> 04:45:17.040 I'm more like and more like angle Sax and then 4761 04:45:17.119 --> 04:45:19.040 like a lot of English people like literally like my 4762 04:45:19.159 --> 04:45:21.720 dna is. But I did have like a freaking German granny, 4763 04:45:22.200 --> 04:45:24.040 you know, something like I And I mean I like 4764 04:45:24.240 --> 04:45:27.880 I like the crowds anyway, you know. But yeah, that's 4765 04:45:28.000 --> 04:45:28.560 that's my take. 4766 04:45:29.560 --> 04:45:31.439 Well let's let's take this all the way back to 4767 04:45:31.520 --> 04:45:38.000 the beginning. Some people were shitting on the FD because, oh, 4768 04:45:38.119 --> 04:45:42.240 it seems like some of the leadership is Jewish. 4769 04:45:45.599 --> 04:45:47.439 Maybe there are, maybe they aren't. I don't haven't. I 4770 04:45:47.439 --> 04:45:53.520 haven't deep dived into their personnel, other staff, uh, the personalities, 4771 04:45:53.599 --> 04:45:56.599 like the constantly kind of like their control group. I 4772 04:45:56.639 --> 04:45:59.799 haven't like deep dived into their backgrounds. Maybe they are, 4773 04:46:00.080 --> 04:46:04.319 they're not. But again, there's no chance of some like 4774 04:46:04.400 --> 04:46:07.759 electoral solution emerging in the Boots Republic for all kinds 4775 04:46:07.799 --> 04:46:11.400 of reasons. But all I can tell you is that 4776 04:46:11.520 --> 04:46:13.720 the dudes I indexed with and who have like broken 4777 04:46:13.759 --> 04:46:17.159 bread with literally who kind of like represent their ship 4778 04:46:18.240 --> 04:46:21.919 in America, these guys, I don't think they were just 4779 04:46:22.000 --> 04:46:23.159 like telling me what I wanted to be here, Like 4780 04:46:23.200 --> 04:46:25.240 why would I why would they? You know, I'm just 4781 04:46:25.319 --> 04:46:29.759 some guy. They they realized that what I just said 4782 04:46:29.840 --> 04:46:32.720 that there's not going to be some kind of sea 4783 04:46:32.840 --> 04:46:37.200 change and sea change and policy I think and somehow, 4784 04:46:38.680 --> 04:46:41.720 you know, get a place at the table of a 4785 04:46:41.799 --> 04:46:46.439 future coalition. Like they know that. The read I got 4786 04:46:46.720 --> 04:46:54.119 was they're they're playing the electoral game. They're playing the 4787 04:46:54.159 --> 04:46:57.279 parliamentary game for the same reasons. Why, like I've said, 4788 04:46:57.720 --> 04:47:00.200 I think Donald Trump is important, like because Trump the 4789 04:47:00.279 --> 04:47:03.200 guy is like this amazing guy, like because like his 4790 04:47:03.319 --> 04:47:05.400 policies or even like such as they exist. I mean, 4791 04:47:05.439 --> 04:47:09.560 Trum's good on immigration, he's good on trade. Beyond that, 4792 04:47:09.639 --> 04:47:13.360 obviously he sucks it policy wise, but Trump the Trump 4793 04:47:13.400 --> 04:47:17.479 the guy is an important like him as a as 4794 04:47:17.520 --> 04:47:24.119 a as a sociological and historical phenomenon symbolically speaking, and 4795 04:47:24.680 --> 04:47:28.439 like an animating catalyst for the silent majority coalition. Like 4796 04:47:28.560 --> 04:47:32.560 that's why he's important. I uh, it's an impervent analogy. 4797 04:47:32.680 --> 04:47:36.319 But when I gleaned from these AfD guys, like they 4798 04:47:36.400 --> 04:47:43.000 met me and uh my buddy, my, uh my, my 4799 04:47:43.080 --> 04:47:45.560 Swedish buddy who's actually back in Sweden now like over 4800 04:47:45.639 --> 04:47:47.200 in Sweden. He was born here, but he's got you know, 4801 04:47:47.240 --> 04:47:49.959 like the little studentship. We we met them at this 4802 04:47:50.040 --> 04:47:53.439 north side German place, not not like my go to place, 4803 04:47:54.000 --> 04:47:58.240 an arming park, like at a different joint. And you know, 4804 04:47:58.319 --> 04:48:02.959 like they they when I was out like a year 4805 04:48:03.040 --> 04:48:06.400 and like two months ago, when I was out in Brooklyn, 4806 04:48:06.759 --> 04:48:08.720 like these guys showed me like a lot of a 4807 04:48:08.799 --> 04:48:10.439 lot of love and give me a lot of respect 4808 04:48:10.520 --> 04:48:13.680 and show me a lot of fatality. But I think 4809 04:48:13.680 --> 04:48:16.159 they're realistic always the dudes I talk to. I mean 4810 04:48:16.200 --> 04:48:19.319 maybe the man in the street, he was like a 4811 04:48:19.400 --> 04:48:21.560 dude's paying member of am D like what he thinks. 4812 04:48:21.880 --> 04:48:25.240 I have no idea, but I, like I said, man, 4813 04:48:25.319 --> 04:48:28.639 I I don't think there's a lot of Germans running around, 4814 04:48:28.840 --> 04:48:35.759 like don't understand kind of like the parameters of of them, 4815 04:48:38.200 --> 04:48:39.240 the regime they live under. 4816 04:48:39.520 --> 04:48:42.959 You know, do you think the best thing that you 4817 04:48:43.040 --> 04:48:47.919 can hope for under an occupation government is just somebody 4818 04:48:48.479 --> 04:48:51.360 or you get like somebody running the regime that just 4819 04:48:51.439 --> 04:48:53.360 leaves you alone At this point. 4820 04:48:56.840 --> 04:48:59.639 I mean, it's in the hands of history, you know, 4821 04:49:00.279 --> 04:49:02.720 which is the cunning of reason which emerges from the 4822 04:49:02.759 --> 04:49:05.279 mind of God. But again it's a matter of like 4823 04:49:05.560 --> 04:49:13.759 thinking locally, man like you and what matters is if 4824 04:49:13.799 --> 04:49:18.799 you live in a small town in Alabama, you know 4825 04:49:20.200 --> 04:49:22.479 it's important unless he's like a total ship bag and 4826 04:49:22.520 --> 04:49:26.560 you'd be compromising yourself and making friends with them, like 4827 04:49:26.720 --> 04:49:29.439 be cool with like the local cops or cops, like 4828 04:49:29.560 --> 04:49:32.479 be cool with the marryor town you know, or the 4829 04:49:32.520 --> 04:49:37.240 local coptroll or whatever. You know. Make sure that like 4830 04:49:37.360 --> 04:49:39.959 the state legislature, like the guy you send there like 4831 04:49:40.080 --> 04:49:41.959 isn't a ship bag like stuff like that. 4832 04:49:43.520 --> 04:49:45.000 You know it. 4833 04:49:49.119 --> 04:49:51.599 If the regime decides is gonna smash you, it'll find 4834 04:49:51.599 --> 04:49:55.720 a way. It'll it'll subject you to lawfair or it'll 4835 04:49:55.799 --> 04:49:58.000 just like or it'll just like stick the I R 4836 04:49:58.119 --> 04:50:00.279 s on you until you tell and say you like 4837 04:50:00.319 --> 04:50:02.959 eight hundred thousand dollars even though you don't you know, 4838 04:50:03.080 --> 04:50:06.240 so like Daniell just constantly be like fighting, like hang 4839 04:50:06.279 --> 04:50:08.319 out any money you make, you know, ship like that. 4840 04:50:08.799 --> 04:50:16.759 But you know, I uh, people gotta be habituated the 4841 04:50:16.880 --> 04:50:19.400 fact that I mean if you take on political commitments, 4842 04:50:19.560 --> 04:50:22.040 especially ones that I mean, I don't think it's like 4843 04:50:22.080 --> 04:50:25.799 this big scary detriment to like not fuck with regime stuff. 4844 04:50:26.240 --> 04:50:28.080 It's like it's it's like it's like total it should 4845 04:50:28.080 --> 04:50:31.360 be like totally liberating. But for those people who find 4846 04:50:31.400 --> 04:50:35.360 it like upsetting or like really fucks with your program. Okay, Well, 4847 04:50:37.840 --> 04:50:42.520 if you're gonna take on a disin perspective, you've gotta 4848 04:50:42.599 --> 04:50:45.439 be you've gotta fully embrace the fact that like you're 4849 04:50:45.479 --> 04:50:47.400 going to be long, you're gonna be dead, you're gonna 4850 04:50:47.400 --> 04:50:52.319 be dust before like you know, you see anything like 4851 04:50:52.360 --> 04:50:56.919 truly counterfruition. Like I said in my life, I I 4852 04:50:57.240 --> 04:51:01.319 figured what's happening now? When we started happening like like 4853 04:51:01.799 --> 04:51:04.400 around like eight years ago, I knew that would happen 4854 04:51:04.439 --> 04:51:06.319 at some point, but I figured, you know, I always, 4855 04:51:06.360 --> 04:51:08.040 like I said before, like I figured I'd be like 4856 04:51:08.119 --> 04:51:10.080 long day, but then it happened. I was totally okay 4857 04:51:10.159 --> 04:51:15.080 with that. You know, I'm lucky to have been alive 4858 04:51:16.840 --> 04:51:20.560 when this kind of phase of the historical process that 4859 04:51:20.639 --> 04:51:26.319 tourch concerns, you know, the kind of fate of America 4860 04:51:27.880 --> 04:51:34.040 and it's uh late modern phase. I mean, I'm lucky. 4861 04:51:34.080 --> 04:51:35.639 I'm lucky to be alive like at the time that 4862 04:51:35.720 --> 04:51:38.400 I am. Okay, that's what we gotta look at it. 4863 04:51:39.000 --> 04:51:44.560 This this this pros and cons that every like EPO, I. 4864 04:51:44.599 --> 04:51:47.040 Think we should end it right there too, plugs and 4865 04:51:47.759 --> 04:51:48.279 I'll end it. 4866 04:51:50.000 --> 04:51:54.599 Yes, sir, I've got a whole realm of I had 4867 04:51:54.599 --> 04:51:56.799 a whole realm of stuff. If I wasn't sure how 4868 04:51:56.840 --> 04:51:59.840 you wanted to approach this, you want to talk about it, 4869 04:52:00.119 --> 04:52:02.639 totally fine, like I actually it was really nice the 4870 04:52:02.720 --> 04:52:04.599 conversation and be kind of free flowing like that. But 4871 04:52:04.959 --> 04:52:09.720 if you want to talk about Russian Syrian relations from 4872 04:52:10.880 --> 04:52:13.080 you know, the post World War two hour or two today, 4873 04:52:13.599 --> 04:52:15.040 I could talk about that like all day. 4874 04:52:17.439 --> 04:52:19.479 Why didn't you tell me that? Man? We could have 4875 04:52:19.520 --> 04:52:22.840 been doing that. It's like, hell, yeah, I want to 4876 04:52:22.880 --> 04:52:23.360 talk about that. 4877 04:52:24.560 --> 04:52:26.159 Oh no, it's fine your show. I don't want to 4878 04:52:26.159 --> 04:52:28.520 be like, hey, this is what we're doing. What let's 4879 04:52:28.840 --> 04:52:33.319 let's reconvene this week and we'll do that. Is that acceptable? 4880 04:52:33.680 --> 04:52:36.880 That sounds great to me? Man? That now now I'm excited. 4881 04:52:38.560 --> 04:52:42.880 I love hearing about Syria. Man, that's the country fascinates me. 4882 04:52:43.720 --> 04:52:47.200 Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I it's it's all. I really 4883 04:52:47.240 --> 04:52:49.520 love Syria and I I've got great love with the 4884 04:52:49.599 --> 04:52:55.080 Syrian people. But yeah, I'm back on Twitter or X 4885 04:52:55.319 --> 04:52:59.400 as they call it, which really lame. I mean this 4886 04:52:59.599 --> 04:53:01.840 this might be like an old person concern. If I 4887 04:53:01.919 --> 04:53:03.799 open up the X app on my phone, and which 4888 04:53:03.799 --> 04:53:05.479 I do not in frequently, As'm always on the bus 4889 04:53:05.520 --> 04:53:07.759 they train, it looks like I'm looking at fucking pornography 4890 04:53:07.880 --> 04:53:10.000 or something. It's like, it's like, why would you do that? 4891 04:53:10.919 --> 04:53:12.680 I like, I got love for Elon, but I I 4892 04:53:12.680 --> 04:53:16.599 don't know why he did that. It's stupid. But as 4893 04:53:16.639 --> 04:53:21.279 it may, you can find me there. It's at real 4894 04:53:22.040 --> 04:53:27.119 all caps R E A L underscore number seven lowercase 4895 04:53:27.560 --> 04:53:31.799 h O M A S seven seven seven. You can 4896 04:53:31.840 --> 04:53:35.319 find on my website. It's Thomas seven seven seven dot 4897 04:53:35.400 --> 04:53:40.240 com number seven h M A S seven seven seven 4898 04:53:40.360 --> 04:53:46.159 dot com. You can find that substack real Thomas R 4899 04:53:46.200 --> 04:53:50.240 E R e A L T h O m A 4900 04:53:50.599 --> 04:53:55.279 S seven seven seven dot substack dot com on Instagram. 4901 04:53:55.479 --> 04:53:58.479 Another I'm like all over the fucking place, include like 4902 04:53:58.799 --> 04:54:00.799 my plug is like in the disc if you would 4903 04:54:00.840 --> 04:54:03.520 please of course, And yeah. 4904 04:54:03.560 --> 04:54:05.599 Says the merch got says the merch got a free 4905 04:54:05.639 --> 04:54:06.880 shoutout today and everything. 4906 04:54:08.080 --> 04:54:09.319 Oh yeah, yeah, I got them. 4907 04:54:10.159 --> 04:54:13.400 But that is really by that Israeli agent Jordan's shock. 4908 04:54:13.560 --> 04:54:16.479 Yeah yeah, yeah, I did a whole substack about that. 4909 04:54:16.599 --> 04:54:20.040 How that guy. How that guys, thank you? 4910 04:54:20.319 --> 04:54:22.720 I yeah, what a huge goof that guy is. But no, 4911 04:54:22.880 --> 04:54:25.880 thank you, man, I appreciate them. I appreciate that. I 4912 04:54:26.000 --> 04:54:29.400 didn't have time to have time to comment yet, but 4913 04:54:29.520 --> 04:54:33.279 yeah I blitz Ink Studios if you're like and clearly 4914 04:54:33.319 --> 04:54:35.759 like the Mercalink. I never remember like what the freaking 4915 04:54:36.439 --> 04:54:39.840 r l is, but but yeah, I got our dear 4916 04:54:39.919 --> 04:54:43.639 friend here, Kree. He's he's he's a brilliant guy for 4917 04:54:43.799 --> 04:54:46.400 like mocking up like shirts and stuff like I'm like 4918 04:54:46.439 --> 04:54:49.119 a teacher guy. I think everybody knows, you know, and 4919 04:54:49.200 --> 04:54:53.159 his his designs are just like freaking awesome, man. So yeah, 4920 04:54:53.200 --> 04:54:56.720 that's where we're at. I'm trying to bear down on 4921 04:54:57.959 --> 04:55:02.599 this manuscript and it seems to be going well, and yeah, 4922 04:55:02.799 --> 04:55:04.720 all is well and every bless and it's autumn and 4923 04:55:05.159 --> 04:55:08.319 autumn's the best season. And in a few days on 4924 04:55:08.479 --> 04:55:11.159 Sunday is my birthday, and uh, I'm kind of looking 4925 04:55:11.200 --> 04:55:13.360 forward to that because I'm gonna go eat good with 4926 04:55:13.599 --> 04:55:18.400 with the fellas and it's u. On September fifteenth, nineteen 4927 04:55:18.400 --> 04:55:22.680 seventy six, Atron Big Alerts Singleton, the rapper who was 4928 04:55:22.680 --> 04:55:25.360 also a cannibal murderer, he was born. I was also 4929 04:55:25.439 --> 04:55:28.720 born on the exact same date. Auvert Stone was born 4930 04:55:28.959 --> 04:55:30.599 on that day too, but that was like way back 4931 04:55:30.639 --> 04:55:33.240 in nineteen forty seven. But yeah, so like me and 4932 04:55:33.360 --> 04:55:36.000 big LARTs like share a birthday, just kind of creep evil. 4933 04:55:38.439 --> 04:55:40.919 Is there ever saw you? My my patent thing? I 4934 04:55:41.360 --> 04:55:44.560 shared a I share a birthday with Paton And I 4935 04:55:44.680 --> 04:55:46.959 was born in and I was born in the hospital 4936 04:55:47.000 --> 04:55:47.439 he died in. 4937 04:55:48.919 --> 04:55:51.599 Yeah, I forgot that you were born in in the 4938 04:55:51.799 --> 04:55:53.279 Bunus Republic. That's crazy. 4939 04:55:53.720 --> 04:55:57.799 Yeah, Heidelberg. Yeah, so yeah, the same birthday, November eleventh, 4940 04:55:57.919 --> 04:56:03.959 and yeah, we're the same hospital. All Right, man, I'll 4941 04:56:04.000 --> 04:56:06.159 talk to you this week. Let's take care now,