1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Have you ever had that specific nagging feeling that the 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,759 history books are well, they're sanitized. 3 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:07,559 Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. 4 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:09,679 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about minor details, you know, or dates 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,800 being slightly off. I mean that sensation that entire chapters, 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,280 massive crucial chapters involved in the origins of our species 7 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:18,039 have just been ripped out. 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,719 Speaker 2: Yes, it's the ultimate gap in the narrative. 9 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: You look at something like the Great Pyramids, or you 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,640 read about these ancient star maps that account for planetary 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,519 wobbles they just shouldn't have known about, and you just 12 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:29,960 think we are missing the prequel. 13 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,439 Speaker 2: We are. We are presented with this this very tidy 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:39,039 timeline of slow linear progress, you know, stone tools then bronze, 15 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,840 then iron, then silicon. But the archaeological record is full 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,520 of these jagged. 17 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Spikes, spikes, that's the perfect word for. 18 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: It, moments where technology or astronomical knowledge seems to leap 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,960 forward without any clear transitional phase. It's those spikes that 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,560 make you wonder if the official story is the whole 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,840 story exactly? 22 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:02,679 Speaker 1: Is the thread we are pulling on today? 23 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:06,159 Speaker 2: Welcome back to thrilling Threads. I am incredibly pumped for 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,040 this one because we are not just skimming the surface 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,400 of alternative history. Today, we are doing a full blown 26 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:16,159 autopsy on one of the most comprehensive arguments out there. 27 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: We really are. 28 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: We are breaking down the investigation presented in the History 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,799 Channel's Ancient Aliens documentary, specifically the episode where do UFOs 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Really Come From? And before you roll your eyes and 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,319 think this is just about crop circles. 32 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: Hold on, Yeah, this goes way deeper. 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,799 Speaker 2: We are talking about the geophysics of Mars, the engineering 34 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:40,079 impossibilities of Himalayan cliffs, and a literal cosmic schedule for 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,599 the return of our let's call them our landlords. 36 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: It is a dense piece of media. Yeah, And what 37 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:48,200 I appreciate about this specific source is that it attempts 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,560 to build a kind of a unified field theory of contact. 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,879 It doesn't just say Aliens built the pyramids and then leave. 40 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:57,319 It tries to answer the economic and the logistical questions. 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,239 You know, if they came here, why, how did they 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,640 get here? Where did they park? And maybe most ominously, 43 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,040 when are they coming back? That's the kicker, the timeline. 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,680 But let's not get ahead of ourselves. The source material 45 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:12,479 anchors this whole wild theory in something very real, very recent, 46 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,159 and very scientific. The Curiosity rover. 47 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: August sixth, twenty twelve a huge day for NASA. 48 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I remember watching that landing, the seven minutes of Terror. 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,759 It was a massive engineering triumph just to get that 50 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,080 one ton lab on the ground inside Gale Crater. 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: It really was. But looking back at the footage and 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,240 the mission parameters, the source highlights the nuance that often 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,759 gets lost in all the pr celebration. What's that NASA 54 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,400 wasn't just looking for water, They were characterizing the habitability 55 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,520 of the environment. The expert commentary in the video frames 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,199 Mars not just as a neighbor, but as a as 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,919 a control group for Earth. 58 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:52,879 Speaker 1: See that phrasing stopped me in my tracks. Control group, 59 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,719 I know that usually employs an experiment. You have the 60 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:58,520 test subject Earth and the control subject of Mars. Is 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,919 the implication that we're being watched to see which planet survives. 62 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: In a geological sense, Yes, Mars and Earth started very 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:12,680 very similarly, liquid water, thick atmospheres, magnetic fields, Mars, Mars died. 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,639 Earth thrived. By studying Gale Crater, we are essentially performing 65 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,560 an autopsy on a failed Earth to understand how to 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,199 keep our own patient alive. 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,159 Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense from a scientific standpoint. 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,319 Speaker 2: But the ancient astronaut theorists, specifically following the line of 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,280 reasoning from Zakaria Sitchen, they take that control group idea 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,479 and they flip it. Oh, so they argue Mars wasn't 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,120 just a failed biological experiment, it was a piece of infrastructure. 72 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: This is the way station theory. And honestly, this is 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,439 where I start to get a little skeptical. I mean, 74 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:46,520 I can follow the logic so far, ok, But the 75 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:50,039 idea is that the Annaki, these beings from the planet 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,120 in Nibiru, used Mars as a rest stop on their 77 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,960 way to Earth. Think about the physics of that. If 78 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 you have the technology to travel across interstellar space, or 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,240 even just from a distant elliptical orbit, why do you 80 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,560 need to stop at Mars. It's like flying from London 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,000 to New York and stopping in Iceland to use the bathroom. Yeah, 82 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,759 can't You can just power through. 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: That is a fair critique, and it's a common one. 84 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:17,519 But consider the logistics of heavy industry, not just a passenger. 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,439 Speaker 1: Flight heavy industry. 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: The theory isn't that they stop there for a snack. 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,399 It's about orbital mechanics and cargo. If you are hauling 88 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,360 massive amounts of raw materials, which we will get to later, 89 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,720 launching and landing on a planet with Earth's gravity is 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,240 incredibly expensive. Energetically speaking, Mars has about thirty eight percent 91 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,399 of Earth's gravity, it has a much thinner atmosphere. As 92 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,120 a transfer point for heavy freighters, it actually makes a 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,319 lot of mathematical sense. 94 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,319 Speaker 1: So you're saying it's easier to lift things off. 95 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:51,199 Speaker 2: Mars, way easier. You shuttle goods up from Earth, you 96 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,560 consolidate them on Mars, and then you load them onto 97 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,560 the long haul vessels that never have to enter a 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,240 deep gravity well like Earth's. 99 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so as not a rest, it's a distribution hub. 100 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:04,959 Exacts the Amazon fulfillment center of the Solar System precisely. 101 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:08,079 Speaker 2: And if that is the case, the source argues, we 102 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,079 shouldn't just be looking for microbes with the Curiosity rover. 103 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:12,319 Speaker 1: You should be looking for ruins. 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: We should be looking for ruins. Sitchen was convinced that 105 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,920 the face on Mars and the pyramidal structures in the 106 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:21,560 Sidonia region weren't just tricks of light and shadow. 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: Right. The stuff from the old Viking orbiter photos. 108 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: Yes, he believed they were eroded infrastructure, actual buildings. 109 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,759 Speaker 1: I mean, if Curiosity rolled over a ridge tomorrow and 110 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,160 found a structural beam or a foundation stone, it's over. 111 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:38,639 The implications would be catastrophic for our current worldview. 112 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,439 Speaker 2: History changes in an instant. 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,319 Speaker 1: It wouldn't just mean life exists elsewhere. It would mean 114 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,160 industrial life was here, right next door. 115 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:49,399 Speaker 2: And it would validate the translation work of the Sumerian 116 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:53,639 tablets that Sitchin spent his entire life analyzing. The source 117 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,000 material leans very heavily on this connection that the physical 118 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,319 evidence we might find on Mars validates the textual evidence 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,560 from ancient Iraq. 120 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,079 Speaker 1: Which brings us to the who, the Ananaki, and the 121 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,399 wherefrom Nebiunburu. Now. I know our listeners are likely familiar 122 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:12,040 with the name, but the mechanics of Nabiu always trip 123 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:14,360 me up a little. The source describes it as having 124 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,319 this massive elliptical orbit right. 125 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: Yes, a thirty six hundred year orbit. Sitchen's interpretation of 126 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,319 the Enuma Elish the Babylonian creation myth treats Nabiu as 127 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,480 a physical. 128 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Twelfth planet, counting the Sun and moon. 129 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: Right, counting the Sun and moon. Yes, and it swings 130 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:37,600 through our inner solar system, causes geological chaos, drops off 131 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,879 or picks up visitors, and then heads back out into 132 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,360 the deep frieze of space. 133 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:44,879 Speaker 1: Thirty six hundred years is a long time to be 134 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,920 away from home, a very long time. But the documentary 135 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,839 brings up a perspective from Philip compins that I hadn't 136 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,160 really considered before. He pivots away from the nuts and 137 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,800 bolts planet idea and compares New Biu to the Egyptian 138 00:06:57,879 --> 00:06:59,040 concept of the duwat. 139 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,959 Speaker 2: And this is a crucial distinction because it bridges the 140 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,199 gap between what we think of as science fiction and 141 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:05,319 what might be metaphysics. 142 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:06,959 Speaker 1: What is the duot Exactly? 143 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: In Egyptian mythology, the duot isn't just a place on 144 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,800 a map. It's the realm of the dead, the realm 145 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:15,399 of the gods. It exists concurrently with our world. But separately, 146 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,199 Coppin suggests that Naberu isn't just a rock floating in space. 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,639 It functions as a kind of ferry or a gateway. 148 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,319 Speaker 1: The phrase he use was a bridge between worlds that 149 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,560 sounds less like a planet and more like a dimensional interface, 150 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,480 like when the orbit gets close the veil gets thin. 151 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: Precisely, it implies that the Onanaki aren't just traveling through space, 152 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,480 they're traveling through layers of reality. When Naberu approaches, the 153 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,920 gate of the gods opens, okay wow. And this aligns 154 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:45,800 with so many ancient traditions that view the gods not 155 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:49,399 as coming from far away in terms of miles, but 156 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:52,079 from elsewhere in terms of existence, which. 157 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:54,439 Speaker 1: Makes the timeline even more spooky it does. The source 158 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,160 material puts a date on the next. 159 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:59,319 Speaker 2: Flyby around the year twenty nine hundred. That is the projection. 160 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,639 We are currently in the away phase. 161 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: So we have roughly eight hundred and seventy five years 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,680 left on the clock. The source discusses Sitchen's book, The 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,600 End of Days and the anxiety surrounding this return. It's 164 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:14,839 framed almost like a performance review. 165 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. 166 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: The boss is coming back to the office after a 167 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,839 three millennium. 168 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: Vacation, and the big question is is the boss happy. 169 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,439 The source posits two main scenarios. Scenario A. They return, 170 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,199 they see that we've developed technology, We split the atom, 171 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,600 built a global communication network, and they're proud we're the 172 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:35,639 successful offspring. 173 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: Look, they didn't blow themselves up. Here's a gold star exactly. 174 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:44,639 Speaker 2: Scenario B is less pleasant. I'm guessing they see we 175 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,679 have poisoned the biosphere, we've warred over resources, and we've 176 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,440 failed to maintain the operations they left us with. Sitchen 177 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:57,039 suggests there is a very real possibility of judgment a reset. 178 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: It's the flood myth all over again. It is the 179 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:04,399 experiment contaminated flush, the Petri dish. But the expert Philip Coppins, 180 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,559 he tries to put a positive spin on it. 181 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: He does. 182 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,639 Speaker 1: He mentions that historically in the mythology, contact with the 183 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:13,559 Innaki stimulates evolution. It's a download of wisdom. 184 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,279 Speaker 2: He argues that the promise of return is the core 185 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:18,080 engine of human religious belief. 186 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. 187 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: We are always waiting for the Messiah, the Matrea, the 188 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,519 return of quetzel Cootal. Psychologically, we're a species waiting for 189 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,919 our parents to come home. Huh. 190 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,399 Speaker 1: I never thought of that way. 191 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,919 Speaker 2: And Coppin's suggests the best way to prepare for the 192 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,039 year twenty nine hundred is to simply accept the reality 193 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:37,440 of the situation. Just normalize it. One we aren't alone. 194 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Two they were here, and three they are coming back. 195 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Normalization easy to say when you aren't staring down a mothership. 196 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,120 But let's ground this again. We've talked about Mars as 197 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:53,440 the hub and Niberu is the source, but the documentary 198 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,759 takes us to some very specific spots on Earth that 199 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,159 were allegedly part of this infrastructure. One that visually just 200 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,240 stunned me was the Mustang region of Nepal. 201 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: The sky caves, that skycaves. This is one of those 202 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:11,279 archaeological anomalies that really truly defies the hunter gatherer narrative. 203 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,279 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. 204 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: We are talking about a cliff face in the Himalayas, 205 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:19,559 crumbling friable rock that rises one hundred and fifty five 206 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,320 feet vertically from the valley floor. 207 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,039 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty five feet. That's like a fifteen 208 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,279 story building right. 209 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,519 Speaker 2: And carved into this face are ten thousand man made caves. 210 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: Ten thousand and Just to be clear, if you listening, 211 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,279 this isn't a gentle slope you could just scramble up. 212 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: This is a sheer wall, a sheer crumbling wall. 213 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:38,919 Speaker 1: The team in the video had to use advanced mountaineering gear, 214 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:42,320 you know, ropes and harnesses just to get into the caves, 215 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:44,639 and they were terrified the whole time because the rock 216 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,360 just falls apart if you look at it wrong. 217 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: And yet someone possibly thousands of years ago, without nylon 218 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,840 ropes or titanium carabineers right not only access these spots 219 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,399 but hollowed them out, carved dwellings, and they didn't just 220 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,879 sleep there. No. When the researchers finally got inside, they 221 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,759 found religious texts, artifacts, and these incredibly intricate murals. 222 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: A fifty five panel mural of the Life of. 223 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: Buddha in a pitch black cave. 224 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,879 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty feet up, a death trap. Why 225 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:18,039 why would you go to that effort for art that 226 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,000 no one can see? 227 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: That is the question. Standard archaeology suggests it was for 228 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,080 extreme isolation monks, monks seeking a place where they literally 229 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,440 could not be disturbed. But the source material connects this 230 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,600 to the ancient astronaut theme of the high place. The 231 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:36,080 scholars in the video Sabina Magliuco and Jonathan Jung, they 232 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,240 discussed the universality of the sacred mountain. You see it 233 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,960 everywhere Mount Olympus and Greece, Mount Meru and India, Mount 234 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Fuji in Japan. 235 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: The control tower concept. 236 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that's the perfect term for it. The idea that 237 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,440 mountains are the interface points landing pads. If you're a 238 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,080 sky god, you land on the peaks. If you're a 239 00:11:57,159 --> 00:11:59,000 human wanting to talk to the sky god, you go 240 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:02,320 to the peaks. The Mustang caves might be an attempt 241 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:05,240 to live inside the antenna, so to speak, to be 242 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:08,279 as close to the transmission point as physically possible. 243 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:10,519 Speaker 1: It's like climbing a cell tower to get a better. 244 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,279 Speaker 2: Signal, a much more dangerous cell tower. 245 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: No kidding, But there's another mountain discussed in the source 246 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:19,440 that takes this whole connection idea and turns it into pure, 247 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:20,879 unadulterated ego. 248 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,759 Speaker 2: Oh you have to be talking about mountain Emirate Doggie 249 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:24,279 in Turkey. 250 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: Yes, King Antiochu is the first. 251 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: This is a fascinating case study in the blurred line 252 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:30,200 between a king and a god. 253 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,159 Speaker 1: So set the scene for us. What did he do? 254 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: In sixty two BC? This local ruler, Antiochus decides to 255 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,440 build a sanctuary on top of a seven thousand foot mountain. 256 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:43,080 But the mountain wasn't high enough for him, of course, not, 257 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,679 so he piled millions of limestone rocks on the summit 258 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,519 to create an artificial conical peak, adding another one hundred 259 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,600 and fifty feet of height. 260 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:54,879 Speaker 1: You built a mountain on top of a mountain, he did. 261 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,639 Speaker 2: And then he surrounded it with these colossal statues lions, eagles, persia, gods, 262 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,759 Greek gods, and himself and himself. But the detail the 263 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:08,480 source focuses on is the positioning. He isn't kneeling before 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,600 the gods, he's standing with them. He's depicted shaking their hands. 265 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate statement of equality. 266 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he believed that upon his death he would not 267 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:19,120 simply go to the underworld, he would ascend to the 268 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,919 stars and join the celestial Council as an equal. 269 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,879 Speaker 1: That's some serious confidence, it is. 270 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: But here is where the thrilling threads really tighten. It 271 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,159 wasn't just delusion. The site contains the famous lion horoscope. 272 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: This is the piece of evidence that just makes you 273 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,159 stop and think. It's a relief carving of a lion. 274 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: With stars on its body. 275 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Right, And for a long time it was just thought 276 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,840 to be decorative, just art. 277 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: But modern astronomical analysis shows that the stars Mars, Mercury, 278 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,639 and Jupiter are placed in exact positions relative to the 279 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,799 star Regulus in the constellation of Leo. Okay, computer models 280 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:58,159 ran the timeline back and found that this specific alignment 281 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,480 only occurred once in history, July of sixty two BC. 282 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: The exact time he was building it. Exact time, okay, 283 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,799 So they knew what the sky looked like when they 284 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,039 built it. Why is that such a bombshell? People have 285 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:10,639 been watching the stars forever. 286 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,519 Speaker 2: Because it demonstrates a mastery of something called the precession 287 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,000 of the equinoxes, which is what exactly. So this is 288 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:21,200 a concept that's hard to grasp. The Earth spins like 289 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,759 a top, right, but it also wobbles on its axis. 290 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:30,120 One full wobble takes twenty five, nine hundred and twenty years. 291 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:31,120 It's called the Great Year. 292 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: Okay. So it's a very very slow wobble. 293 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: Incredibly slow. To even notice this wobble, you have to 294 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:41,240 observe that the background stars shift their position by one 295 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,639 single degree every seventy two years. 296 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: That is generational data. You need meticulous records spanning centuries, 297 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,120 maybe even millennia, to even notice it's happening exactly. 298 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:56,799 Speaker 2: The fact that Antiochus's architects could pinpoint this alignment within 299 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,399 the Great Year suggests they possessed astronomical moment far beyond 300 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,559 what we typically credit to that region. 301 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,559 Speaker 1: In that time, they were tracking deep time. 302 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: They were tracking deep time. They understood the clockwork of 303 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,519 the cosmos, and. 304 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: They built a machine to exploit it. They did. We 305 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:13,039 have to talk about the shaft. 306 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,519 Speaker 2: The shaft nowhere, this is the smoking gun for the 307 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:19,720 whole stargate theory. At this site, there is a tunnel 308 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:22,399 cut into the mountain at a thirty five degree angle. 309 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,840 It goes down one hundred and fifty meters and then 310 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:29,679 it just ends nothing, no chamber, no treasure, just a dead. 311 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: End, which makes zero sense of your tomb raider, but 312 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:34,320 it makes perfect sense if you're an astronomer. 313 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: Precisely, computer analysis shows that the sun shines directly to 314 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,120 the bottom of the shaft on only two days of 315 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,759 the year, let me guess, once when it aligns with 316 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,480 the constellation Leo and the other and once with Orion. 317 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,200 And in ancient cosmology, particularly Egyptian and potentially Comogenian, the 318 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,919 intersection of the Sun's path in the Milky Way, often 319 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,919 marked by Orion, was considered the beat of heaven. 320 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: So the shaft wasn't for people to walk into No, 321 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,159 it was a launching tube for a soul. 322 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,799 Speaker 2: That is the theory. Antiochus believed that at the precise 323 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:09,879 moment of alignment, the gate would open and his spirit 324 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:13,039 could bypass the underworld and travel directly to the realm 325 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,720 of the Internaki. It was a metaphysical particle accelerator. 326 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,679 Speaker 1: That is wild and a creepy part They never found 327 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,960 his body. The tomb of King Antiochus has never been located, 328 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,759 despite massive searches of the area. 329 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: The implication being did it work? Did he physically or 330 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,720 metaphysically transport himself or is he just hidden really really 331 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:33,200 well under that artificial mountain. 332 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I just love the idea that he figured out the 333 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,480 combination lock to the universe and just left. 334 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,639 Speaker 2: It's a powerful thought. 335 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:42,519 Speaker 1: But this brings us to the ultimate question. We have 336 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:45,519 the how, the portals, the ships, we have the ware 337 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:50,799 Mars mountains, but why why would an advanced civilization travel 338 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:54,720 light years to a backwater planet like Earth. In movies, 339 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:57,919 it's always to destroy us or to study us. But 340 00:16:58,039 --> 00:17:03,960 the source material offers a reason that is surprisingly well corporate. 341 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,799 Speaker 2: It is pure economics, resource extraction. They're here for the 342 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:07,400 goods plain. 343 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: It's simple. 344 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,039 Speaker 2: The source draws a brilliant parallel to our own current 345 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:11,960 space program. 346 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Look at the moon, Okay. 347 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, Neil Armstrong called it magnificent desolation, 348 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,519 a flag planting opportunity, a political statement. We got here first, 349 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:23,799 But in nineteen eighty six we discovered that the lunar 350 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,920 regolf the soil is saturated with something called helium three. 351 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: And for those of us who skipped physics glass, why 352 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:30,279 is helium three? 353 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,039 Speaker 2: The holy grail energy density? Helium three is the ideal 354 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,519 fuel for nuclear fusion. It's stable, it's incredibly potent, and 355 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:40,079 it's clean, no radioactive waste. 356 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:40,839 Speaker 1: Wow. 357 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: The source sitees a statistic that is just mind boggling. 358 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,880 A single space shuttle cargo bay worth of helium three, 359 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,559 about twenty five tons, could power the entire United States 360 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:51,160 for a year. 361 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: Get out of here a whole year, an entire year. 362 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:58,079 That changes the math of space travel completely. If you 363 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,920 can get that kind of energy return, the cost of 364 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,119 the trip becomes negligible. 365 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: Exactly. It shifts the paradigm from exploration to mining. The 366 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,319 expert in the video, Bill Burns, makes the point, if 367 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,440 we are already seriously planning robot mining crews for the 368 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,039 Moon to solve our energy crisis. 369 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: Which we are. 370 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: Why is it such a stretch to think an older, 371 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,839 more advanced civilization did the same thing to us. 372 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,839 Speaker 1: It makes the universe feel less like a dark forest 373 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,400 and more like a crowded marketplace. 374 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. 375 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,599 Speaker 1: But helium three is on the Moon. What did they 376 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,319 want from Earth? 377 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: Fold the shiny stuff, the shiny stuff. This is the 378 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,119 cornerstone of Zakaria Sitchen's translation of the Sumerian tablets, These 379 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,599 twenty two thousand clay tablets found at Nineveh. 380 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,559 Speaker 1: Right in modern day Iraq, the cradle of civilization. 381 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,839 Speaker 2: Yes, he claims. The texts describe a crisis on their 382 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,440 home planet, Nibiru. Their atmosphere was thinning. It was leaking 383 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,039 heat and radiation into space. 384 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so a planetary emergency, a huge one. 385 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: Their scientists concluded that suspend nd monoatomic gold particles in 386 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:05,079 the upper atmosphere could create a kind of shield to 387 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:05,960 patch the hole. 388 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: It's geoengineering on a planetary scale. It is a mirrored 389 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:12,119 pair of sunglasses for a world. 390 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: A perfect analogy, and Earth was rich in gold. So 391 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:19,000 the Ananaki came here established the base on Mars as 392 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,160 their logistical hub, and started mining operations in Southeast Africa 393 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,480 and the Eden, what we'd call Eden. 394 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:28,599 Speaker 1: But and I'm sensing a dark turn here. Mining is 395 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:31,039 brutal work, even for aliens. 396 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: Apparently, the texts describe a mutiny the Aninaki rank and 397 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,160 file workers. They rebelled against the toil and the mines. 398 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:42,640 The leadership needed a solution fast. They needed a localized. 399 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: Workforce, one they could control. 400 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: Exactly, smart enough to follow orders, durable enough to dig, 401 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,880 but subservient enough not to rebel themselves. 402 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:51,279 Speaker 1: Enter Homo sapiens. 403 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: Sitchin argues that we are the result of genetic engineering. Wow, 404 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:59,079 they took the existing hominid stock primitive man, and they 405 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,559 spliced it with their own own genetic material to create 406 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,240 a hybrid worker us. 407 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,839 Speaker 1: It's a humbling and frankly terrifying thought. It is we 408 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,079 like to think of ourselves as the children of God 409 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:13,119 or the pinnacle of evolution. This theory says no, you're 410 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,359 a biological shovel. 411 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,279 Speaker 2: It does explain our strange, almost irrational obsession with gold. 412 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:22,279 I was just thinking that we value it above water, 413 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,759 above food, above life itself. Sometimes it has no intrinsic 414 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,119 survival value. Yet it has been the standard of value 415 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,160 for our entire recorded history. 416 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: Right, you can't eat it, you can't drink it. 417 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 2: Sitchen would argue that this value is hard coded into 418 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,119 our DNA. We desire it because our creators desired it. 419 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: The drive is programmed in get the gold for the boss. 420 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: That's the idea. It also reframes all the Bible stories 421 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,200 now so the source material points out that genesis, the 422 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,319 creation of atom, the flood, these all appear in the 423 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,960 much older Sumerian tablets, but with a different. 424 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: Context, different motivation. 425 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: Exactly in the Bible, God creates man to tend the garden. 426 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,720 In the Sumerian text, the gods create man to work 427 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:04,200 the mine. 428 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: It creates a cohesive, if unsettling narrative. It does the 429 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,559 Anunaki needed resources to save their planet. They found Earth, 430 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,400 They engineered a workforce, They set up a transport network 431 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,359 via Mars. They managed the operation from high altitude control 432 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,200 centers like the Himalayas. 433 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: And eventually, once they got what they needed or operations 434 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,680 wound down, they. 435 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,839 Speaker 1: Left, leaving us with the tools, the language, the architecture, 436 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,480 and and the myths and the promise and the promise 437 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:34,720 that they would check back in. 438 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: Which brings us full circle to the year twenty nine hundred. 439 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,759 Speaker 1: It really changes how you look at the night sky, 440 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:42,039 doesn't it completely? I used to look up and wonder 441 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,759 if there was life out there. Now I look up 442 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:45,559 and wonder if I'm looking at a shipping lane. 443 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: It shifts the perspective from are we alone? To are 444 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:50,519 we independent? 445 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: That is the question. If this theory holds water, even 446 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:57,000 just ten percent of it here, it means our history 447 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,000 isn't our own. We are a project. We are a project, 448 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,319 and the project managers are on their way back for 449 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,160 an audit. 450 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: And like any audit, the outcome depends on the criteria. 451 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:06,759 What are they looking for? 452 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: Right? Are they looking for gold? We move most of 453 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,640 it into vaults like Fort Knox. 454 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: Maybe they're not happy about that. 455 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Probably not? Or are they looking for spiritual development? I 456 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:18,359 might be a lot harder to quantify. It would be 457 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,000 imagine they land, they open the vaults, and they just say, 458 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,839 great job, stockpiling in the ore, load it up, and then. 459 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: They just leave again, and we'd be left standing there 460 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,519 with our crypto and our NFTs, realizing we totally completely 461 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,440 misunderstood the assignment for the last five thousand. 462 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: Years, we miss the point entirely. 463 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,039 Speaker 2: Or perhaps, as the source suggests, the gold was always. 464 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,039 Speaker 1: A metaphor, a metaphor for what for al. 465 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,799 Speaker 2: Chemical transformation, Maybe the mining was the refining of consciousness. 466 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:49,480 If they return and find we are still warring tribes 467 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,559 fighting over scraps of land, we fail. If they find 468 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,160 a unified planetary civilization, we graduate. 469 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: Stimulation of evolution. I like that version better than the 470 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,640 slave raisers, me too. 471 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: But the evidence the Star charts the impossible stonework, the 472 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,039 biological anomalies. It forces us to keep the door open 473 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,440 to the possibility that we. 474 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,279 Speaker 1: Had help, and that the help might not have been 475 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,880 entirely altruistic, not at all. So here's the thought I 476 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,880 want to leave you with today, thrilling threads listeners, and 477 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,559 I really want to hear your take on this in 478 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:24,359 the comments. If the prophecy is real and the Anernachi 479 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,640 return in the year twenty nine hundred, what is the 480 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:29,039 verdict on humanity? 481 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,319 Speaker 2: What's on the report card? 482 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: Are we a failed experiment that needs to be wiped 483 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,200 clean or are we a graduating class ready to join 484 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,240 the galactic community? 485 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,039 Speaker 2: And more importantly, if they ask for the goldback, do 486 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:41,720 we give it to them? 487 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,759 Speaker 1: Drop your thoughts below. I'm going to go practice my 488 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,480 Sumerian just in case. Thanks for listening to Thrilling Threads. 489 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: Keep looking up.