Speaker 1: Have you ever had that specific nagging feeling that the
history books are well, they're sanitized.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about minor details, you know, or dates
being slightly off. I mean that sensation that entire chapters,
massive crucial chapters involved in the origins of our species
have just been ripped out.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the ultimate gap in the narrative.
Speaker 1: You look at something like the Great Pyramids, or you
read about these ancient star maps that account for planetary
wobbles they just shouldn't have known about, and you just
think we are missing the prequel.
Speaker 2: We are. We are presented with this this very tidy
timeline of slow linear progress, you know, stone tools then bronze,
then iron, then silicon. But the archaeological record is full
of these jagged.
Speaker 1: Spikes, spikes, that's the perfect word for.
Speaker 2: It, moments where technology or astronomical knowledge seems to leap
forward without any clear transitional phase. It's those spikes that
make you wonder if the official story is the whole
story exactly?
Speaker 1: Is the thread we are pulling on today?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to thrilling Threads. I am incredibly pumped for
this one because we are not just skimming the surface
of alternative history. Today, we are doing a full blown
autopsy on one of the most comprehensive arguments out there.
Speaker 1: We really are.
Speaker 2: We are breaking down the investigation presented in the History
Channel's Ancient Aliens documentary, specifically the episode where do UFOs
Really Come From? And before you roll your eyes and
think this is just about crop circles.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Yeah, this goes way deeper.
Speaker 2: We are talking about the geophysics of Mars, the engineering
impossibilities of Himalayan cliffs, and a literal cosmic schedule for
the return of our let's call them our landlords.
Speaker 1: It is a dense piece of media. Yeah, And what
I appreciate about this specific source is that it attempts
to build a kind of a unified field theory of contact.
It doesn't just say Aliens built the pyramids and then leave.
It tries to answer the economic and the logistical questions.
You know, if they came here, why, how did they
get here? Where did they park? And maybe most ominously,
when are they coming back? That's the kicker, the timeline.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves. The source material
anchors this whole wild theory in something very real, very recent,
and very scientific. The Curiosity rover.
Speaker 2: August sixth, twenty twelve a huge day for NASA.
Speaker 1: I remember watching that landing, the seven minutes of Terror.
It was a massive engineering triumph just to get that
one ton lab on the ground inside Gale Crater.
Speaker 2: It really was. But looking back at the footage and
the mission parameters, the source highlights the nuance that often
gets lost in all the pr celebration. What's that NASA
wasn't just looking for water, They were characterizing the habitability
of the environment. The expert commentary in the video frames
Mars not just as a neighbor, but as a as
a control group for Earth.
Speaker 1: See that phrasing stopped me in my tracks. Control group,
I know that usually employs an experiment. You have the
test subject Earth and the control subject of Mars. Is
the implication that we're being watched to see which planet survives.
Speaker 2: In a geological sense, Yes, Mars and Earth started very
very similarly, liquid water, thick atmospheres, magnetic fields, Mars, Mars died.
Earth thrived. By studying Gale Crater, we are essentially performing
an autopsy on a failed Earth to understand how to
keep our own patient alive.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense from a scientific standpoint.
Speaker 2: But the ancient astronaut theorists, specifically following the line of
reasoning from Zakaria Sitchen, they take that control group idea
and they flip it. Oh, so they argue Mars wasn't
just a failed biological experiment, it was a piece of infrastructure.
Speaker 1: This is the way station theory. And honestly, this is
where I start to get a little skeptical. I mean,
I can follow the logic so far, ok, But the
idea is that the Annaki, these beings from the planet
in Nibiru, used Mars as a rest stop on their
way to Earth. Think about the physics of that. If
you have the technology to travel across interstellar space, or
even just from a distant elliptical orbit, why do you
need to stop at Mars. It's like flying from London
to New York and stopping in Iceland to use the bathroom. Yeah,
can't You can just power through.
Speaker 2: That is a fair critique, and it's a common one.
But consider the logistics of heavy industry, not just a passenger.
Speaker 1: Flight heavy industry.
Speaker 2: The theory isn't that they stop there for a snack.
It's about orbital mechanics and cargo. If you are hauling
massive amounts of raw materials, which we will get to later,
launching and landing on a planet with Earth's gravity is
incredibly expensive. Energetically speaking, Mars has about thirty eight percent
of Earth's gravity, it has a much thinner atmosphere. As
a transfer point for heavy freighters, it actually makes a
lot of mathematical sense.
Speaker 1: So you're saying it's easier to lift things off.
Speaker 2: Mars, way easier. You shuttle goods up from Earth, you
consolidate them on Mars, and then you load them onto
the long haul vessels that never have to enter a
deep gravity well like Earth's.
Speaker 1: Okay, so as not a rest, it's a distribution hub.
Exacts the Amazon fulfillment center of the Solar System precisely.
Speaker 2: And if that is the case, the source argues, we
shouldn't just be looking for microbes with the Curiosity rover.
Speaker 1: You should be looking for ruins.
Speaker 2: We should be looking for ruins. Sitchen was convinced that
the face on Mars and the pyramidal structures in the
Sidonia region weren't just tricks of light and shadow.
Speaker 1: Right. The stuff from the old Viking orbiter photos.
Speaker 2: Yes, he believed they were eroded infrastructure, actual buildings.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Curiosity rolled over a ridge tomorrow and
found a structural beam or a foundation stone, it's over.
The implications would be catastrophic for our current worldview.
Speaker 2: History changes in an instant.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't just mean life exists elsewhere. It would mean
industrial life was here, right next door.
Speaker 2: And it would validate the translation work of the Sumerian
tablets that Sitchin spent his entire life analyzing. The source
material leans very heavily on this connection that the physical
evidence we might find on Mars validates the textual evidence
from ancient Iraq.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the who, the Ananaki, and the
wherefrom Nebiunburu. Now. I know our listeners are likely familiar
with the name, but the mechanics of Nabiu always trip
me up a little. The source describes it as having
this massive elliptical orbit right.
Speaker 2: Yes, a thirty six hundred year orbit. Sitchen's interpretation of
the Enuma Elish the Babylonian creation myth treats Nabiu as
a physical.
Speaker 1: Twelfth planet, counting the Sun and moon.
Speaker 2: Right, counting the Sun and moon. Yes, and it swings
through our inner solar system, causes geological chaos, drops off
or picks up visitors, and then heads back out into
the deep frieze of space.
Speaker 1: Thirty six hundred years is a long time to be
away from home, a very long time. But the documentary
brings up a perspective from Philip compins that I hadn't
really considered before. He pivots away from the nuts and
bolts planet idea and compares New Biu to the Egyptian
concept of the duwat.
Speaker 2: And this is a crucial distinction because it bridges the
gap between what we think of as science fiction and
what might be metaphysics.
Speaker 1: What is the duot Exactly?
Speaker 2: In Egyptian mythology, the duot isn't just a place on
a map. It's the realm of the dead, the realm
of the gods. It exists concurrently with our world. But separately,
Coppin suggests that Naberu isn't just a rock floating in space.
It functions as a kind of ferry or a gateway.
Speaker 1: The phrase he use was a bridge between worlds that
sounds less like a planet and more like a dimensional interface,
like when the orbit gets close the veil gets thin.
Speaker 2: Precisely, it implies that the Onanaki aren't just traveling through space,
they're traveling through layers of reality. When Naberu approaches, the
gate of the gods opens, okay wow. And this aligns
with so many ancient traditions that view the gods not
as coming from far away in terms of miles, but
from elsewhere in terms of existence, which.
Speaker 1: Makes the timeline even more spooky it does. The source
material puts a date on the next.
Speaker 2: Flyby around the year twenty nine hundred. That is the projection.
We are currently in the away phase.
Speaker 1: So we have roughly eight hundred and seventy five years
left on the clock. The source discusses Sitchen's book, The
End of Days and the anxiety surrounding this return. It's
framed almost like a performance review.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1: The boss is coming back to the office after a
three millennium.
Speaker 2: Vacation, and the big question is is the boss happy.
The source posits two main scenarios. Scenario A. They return,
they see that we've developed technology, We split the atom,
built a global communication network, and they're proud we're the
successful offspring.
Speaker 1: Look, they didn't blow themselves up. Here's a gold star exactly.
Speaker 2: Scenario B is less pleasant. I'm guessing they see we
have poisoned the biosphere, we've warred over resources, and we've
failed to maintain the operations they left us with. Sitchen
suggests there is a very real possibility of judgment a reset.
Speaker 1: It's the flood myth all over again. It is the
experiment contaminated flush, the Petri dish. But the expert Philip Coppins,
he tries to put a positive spin on it.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 1: He mentions that historically in the mythology, contact with the
Innaki stimulates evolution. It's a download of wisdom.
Speaker 2: He argues that the promise of return is the core
engine of human religious belief.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: We are always waiting for the Messiah, the Matrea, the
return of quetzel Cootal. Psychologically, we're a species waiting for
our parents to come home. Huh.
Speaker 1: I never thought of that way.
Speaker 2: And Coppin's suggests the best way to prepare for the
year twenty nine hundred is to simply accept the reality
of the situation. Just normalize it. One we aren't alone.
Two they were here, and three they are coming back.
Speaker 1: Normalization easy to say when you aren't staring down a mothership.
But let's ground this again. We've talked about Mars as
the hub and Niberu is the source, but the documentary
takes us to some very specific spots on Earth that
were allegedly part of this infrastructure. One that visually just
stunned me was the Mustang region of Nepal.
Speaker 2: The sky caves, that skycaves. This is one of those
archaeological anomalies that really truly defies the hunter gatherer narrative.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: We are talking about a cliff face in the Himalayas,
crumbling friable rock that rises one hundred and fifty five
feet vertically from the valley floor.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty five feet. That's like a fifteen
story building right.
Speaker 2: And carved into this face are ten thousand man made caves.
Speaker 1: Ten thousand and Just to be clear, if you listening,
this isn't a gentle slope you could just scramble up.
Speaker 2: This is a sheer wall, a sheer crumbling wall.
Speaker 1: The team in the video had to use advanced mountaineering gear,
you know, ropes and harnesses just to get into the caves,
and they were terrified the whole time because the rock
just falls apart if you look at it wrong.
Speaker 2: And yet someone possibly thousands of years ago, without nylon
ropes or titanium carabineers right not only access these spots
but hollowed them out, carved dwellings, and they didn't just
sleep there. No. When the researchers finally got inside, they
found religious texts, artifacts, and these incredibly intricate murals.
Speaker 1: A fifty five panel mural of the Life of.
Speaker 2: Buddha in a pitch black cave.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty feet up, a death trap. Why
why would you go to that effort for art that
no one can see?
Speaker 2: That is the question. Standard archaeology suggests it was for
extreme isolation monks, monks seeking a place where they literally
could not be disturbed. But the source material connects this
to the ancient astronaut theme of the high place. The
scholars in the video Sabina Magliuco and Jonathan Jung, they
discussed the universality of the sacred mountain. You see it
everywhere Mount Olympus and Greece, Mount Meru and India, Mount
Fuji in Japan.
Speaker 1: The control tower concept.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the perfect term for it. The idea that
mountains are the interface points landing pads. If you're a
sky god, you land on the peaks. If you're a
human wanting to talk to the sky god, you go
to the peaks. The Mustang caves might be an attempt
to live inside the antenna, so to speak, to be
as close to the transmission point as physically possible.
Speaker 1: It's like climbing a cell tower to get a better.
Speaker 2: Signal, a much more dangerous cell tower.
Speaker 1: No kidding, But there's another mountain discussed in the source
that takes this whole connection idea and turns it into pure,
unadulterated ego.
Speaker 2: Oh you have to be talking about mountain Emirate Doggie
in Turkey.
Speaker 1: Yes, King Antiochu is the first.
Speaker 2: This is a fascinating case study in the blurred line
between a king and a god.
Speaker 1: So set the scene for us. What did he do?
Speaker 2: In sixty two BC? This local ruler, Antiochus decides to
build a sanctuary on top of a seven thousand foot mountain.
But the mountain wasn't high enough for him, of course, not,
so he piled millions of limestone rocks on the summit
to create an artificial conical peak, adding another one hundred
and fifty feet of height.
Speaker 1: You built a mountain on top of a mountain, he did.
Speaker 2: And then he surrounded it with these colossal statues lions, eagles, persia, gods,
Greek gods, and himself and himself. But the detail the
source focuses on is the positioning. He isn't kneeling before
the gods, he's standing with them. He's depicted shaking their hands.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate statement of equality.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he believed that upon his death he would not
simply go to the underworld, he would ascend to the
stars and join the celestial Council as an equal.
Speaker 1: That's some serious confidence, it is.
Speaker 2: But here is where the thrilling threads really tighten. It
wasn't just delusion. The site contains the famous lion horoscope.
Speaker 1: This is the piece of evidence that just makes you
stop and think. It's a relief carving of a lion.
Speaker 2: With stars on its body.
Speaker 1: Right, And for a long time it was just thought
to be decorative, just art.
Speaker 2: But modern astronomical analysis shows that the stars Mars, Mercury,
and Jupiter are placed in exact positions relative to the
star Regulus in the constellation of Leo. Okay, computer models
ran the timeline back and found that this specific alignment
only occurred once in history, July of sixty two BC.
Speaker 1: The exact time he was building it. Exact time, okay,
So they knew what the sky looked like when they
built it. Why is that such a bombshell? People have
been watching the stars forever.
Speaker 2: Because it demonstrates a mastery of something called the precession
of the equinoxes, which is what exactly. So this is
a concept that's hard to grasp. The Earth spins like
a top, right, but it also wobbles on its axis.
One full wobble takes twenty five, nine hundred and twenty years.
It's called the Great Year.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's a very very slow wobble.
Speaker 2: Incredibly slow. To even notice this wobble, you have to
observe that the background stars shift their position by one
single degree every seventy two years.
Speaker 1: That is generational data. You need meticulous records spanning centuries,
maybe even millennia, to even notice it's happening exactly.
Speaker 2: The fact that Antiochus's architects could pinpoint this alignment within
the Great Year suggests they possessed astronomical moment far beyond
what we typically credit to that region.
Speaker 1: In that time, they were tracking deep time.
Speaker 2: They were tracking deep time. They understood the clockwork of
the cosmos, and.
Speaker 1: They built a machine to exploit it. They did. We
have to talk about the shaft.
Speaker 2: The shaft nowhere, this is the smoking gun for the
whole stargate theory. At this site, there is a tunnel
cut into the mountain at a thirty five degree angle.
It goes down one hundred and fifty meters and then
it just ends nothing, no chamber, no treasure, just a dead.
Speaker 1: End, which makes zero sense of your tomb raider, but
it makes perfect sense if you're an astronomer.
Speaker 2: Precisely, computer analysis shows that the sun shines directly to
the bottom of the shaft on only two days of
the year, let me guess, once when it aligns with
the constellation Leo and the other and once with Orion.
And in ancient cosmology, particularly Egyptian and potentially Comogenian, the
intersection of the Sun's path in the Milky Way, often
marked by Orion, was considered the beat of heaven.
Speaker 1: So the shaft wasn't for people to walk into No,
it was a launching tube for a soul.
Speaker 2: That is the theory. Antiochus believed that at the precise
moment of alignment, the gate would open and his spirit
could bypass the underworld and travel directly to the realm
of the Internaki. It was a metaphysical particle accelerator.
Speaker 1: That is wild and a creepy part They never found
his body. The tomb of King Antiochus has never been located,
despite massive searches of the area.
Speaker 2: The implication being did it work? Did he physically or
metaphysically transport himself or is he just hidden really really
well under that artificial mountain.
Speaker 1: I just love the idea that he figured out the
combination lock to the universe and just left.
Speaker 2: It's a powerful thought.
Speaker 1: But this brings us to the ultimate question. We have
the how, the portals, the ships, we have the ware
Mars mountains, but why why would an advanced civilization travel
light years to a backwater planet like Earth. In movies,
it's always to destroy us or to study us. But
the source material offers a reason that is surprisingly well corporate.
Speaker 2: It is pure economics, resource extraction. They're here for the
goods plain.
Speaker 1: It's simple.
Speaker 2: The source draws a brilliant parallel to our own current
space program.
Speaker 1: Look at the moon, Okay.
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, Neil Armstrong called it magnificent desolation,
a flag planting opportunity, a political statement. We got here first,
But in nineteen eighty six we discovered that the lunar
regolf the soil is saturated with something called helium three.
Speaker 1: And for those of us who skipped physics glass, why
is helium three?
Speaker 2: The holy grail energy density? Helium three is the ideal
fuel for nuclear fusion. It's stable, it's incredibly potent, and
it's clean, no radioactive waste.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The source sitees a statistic that is just mind boggling.
A single space shuttle cargo bay worth of helium three,
about twenty five tons, could power the entire United States
for a year.
Speaker 1: Get out of here a whole year, an entire year.
That changes the math of space travel completely. If you
can get that kind of energy return, the cost of
the trip becomes negligible.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It shifts the paradigm from exploration to mining. The
expert in the video, Bill Burns, makes the point, if
we are already seriously planning robot mining crews for the
Moon to solve our energy crisis.
Speaker 1: Which we are.
Speaker 2: Why is it such a stretch to think an older,
more advanced civilization did the same thing to us.
Speaker 1: It makes the universe feel less like a dark forest
and more like a crowded marketplace.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: But helium three is on the Moon. What did they
want from Earth?
Speaker 2: Fold the shiny stuff, the shiny stuff. This is the
cornerstone of Zakaria Sitchen's translation of the Sumerian tablets, These
twenty two thousand clay tablets found at Nineveh.
Speaker 1: Right in modern day Iraq, the cradle of civilization.
Speaker 2: Yes, he claims. The texts describe a crisis on their
home planet, Nibiru. Their atmosphere was thinning. It was leaking
heat and radiation into space.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a planetary emergency, a huge one.
Speaker 2: Their scientists concluded that suspend nd monoatomic gold particles in
the upper atmosphere could create a kind of shield to
patch the hole.
Speaker 1: It's geoengineering on a planetary scale. It is a mirrored
pair of sunglasses for a world.
Speaker 2: A perfect analogy, and Earth was rich in gold. So
the Ananaki came here established the base on Mars as
their logistical hub, and started mining operations in Southeast Africa
and the Eden, what we'd call Eden.
Speaker 1: But and I'm sensing a dark turn here. Mining is
brutal work, even for aliens.
Speaker 2: Apparently, the texts describe a mutiny the Aninaki rank and
file workers. They rebelled against the toil and the mines.
The leadership needed a solution fast. They needed a localized.
Speaker 1: Workforce, one they could control.
Speaker 2: Exactly, smart enough to follow orders, durable enough to dig,
but subservient enough not to rebel themselves.
Speaker 1: Enter Homo sapiens.
Speaker 2: Sitchin argues that we are the result of genetic engineering. Wow,
they took the existing hominid stock primitive man, and they
spliced it with their own own genetic material to create
a hybrid worker us.
Speaker 1: It's a humbling and frankly terrifying thought. It is we
like to think of ourselves as the children of God
or the pinnacle of evolution. This theory says no, you're
a biological shovel.
Speaker 2: It does explain our strange, almost irrational obsession with gold.
I was just thinking that we value it above water,
above food, above life itself. Sometimes it has no intrinsic
survival value. Yet it has been the standard of value
for our entire recorded history.
Speaker 1: Right, you can't eat it, you can't drink it.
Speaker 2: Sitchen would argue that this value is hard coded into
our DNA. We desire it because our creators desired it.
Speaker 1: The drive is programmed in get the gold for the boss.
Speaker 2: That's the idea. It also reframes all the Bible stories
now so the source material points out that genesis, the
creation of atom, the flood, these all appear in the
much older Sumerian tablets, but with a different.
Speaker 1: Context, different motivation.
Speaker 2: Exactly in the Bible, God creates man to tend the garden.
In the Sumerian text, the gods create man to work
the mine.
Speaker 1: It creates a cohesive, if unsettling narrative. It does the
Anunaki needed resources to save their planet. They found Earth,
They engineered a workforce, They set up a transport network
via Mars. They managed the operation from high altitude control
centers like the Himalayas.
Speaker 2: And eventually, once they got what they needed or operations
wound down, they.
Speaker 1: Left, leaving us with the tools, the language, the architecture,
and and the myths and the promise and the promise
that they would check back in.
Speaker 2: Which brings us full circle to the year twenty nine hundred.
Speaker 1: It really changes how you look at the night sky,
doesn't it completely? I used to look up and wonder
if there was life out there. Now I look up
and wonder if I'm looking at a shipping lane.
Speaker 2: It shifts the perspective from are we alone? To are
we independent?
Speaker 1: That is the question. If this theory holds water, even
just ten percent of it here, it means our history
isn't our own. We are a project. We are a project,
and the project managers are on their way back for
an audit.
Speaker 2: And like any audit, the outcome depends on the criteria.
What are they looking for?
Speaker 1: Right? Are they looking for gold? We move most of
it into vaults like Fort Knox.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not happy about that.
Speaker 1: Probably not? Or are they looking for spiritual development? I
might be a lot harder to quantify. It would be
imagine they land, they open the vaults, and they just say,
great job, stockpiling in the ore, load it up, and then.
Speaker 2: They just leave again, and we'd be left standing there
with our crypto and our NFTs, realizing we totally completely
misunderstood the assignment for the last five thousand.
Speaker 1: Years, we miss the point entirely.
Speaker 2: Or perhaps, as the source suggests, the gold was always.
Speaker 1: A metaphor, a metaphor for what for al.
Speaker 2: Chemical transformation, Maybe the mining was the refining of consciousness.
If they return and find we are still warring tribes
fighting over scraps of land, we fail. If they find
a unified planetary civilization, we graduate.
Speaker 1: Stimulation of evolution. I like that version better than the
slave raisers, me too.
Speaker 2: But the evidence the Star charts the impossible stonework, the
biological anomalies. It forces us to keep the door open
to the possibility that we.
Speaker 1: Had help, and that the help might not have been
entirely altruistic, not at all. So here's the thought I
want to leave you with today, thrilling threads listeners, and
I really want to hear your take on this in
the comments. If the prophecy is real and the Anernachi
return in the year twenty nine hundred, what is the
verdict on humanity?
Speaker 2: What's on the report card?
Speaker 1: Are we a failed experiment that needs to be wiped
clean or are we a graduating class ready to join
the galactic community?
Speaker 2: And more importantly, if they ask for the goldback, do
we give it to them?
Speaker 1: Drop your thoughts below. I'm going to go practice my
Sumerian just in case. Thanks for listening to Thrilling Threads.
Speaker 2: Keep looking up.