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<v Speaker 1>Here listen tons Who Podcast, episode four fifty eight. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>brand I'm here with Ryan never we're gonna finish off

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the rack dah oh man, I could feel

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<v Speaker 1>just a turd coming towards the back of my brain. Fuck, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me try again.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought as much.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's it. We're playing that one. That's it. Here

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<v Speaker 1>listen Leonard Who Coo Podcast, episode four fifty eight. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>brand O, I'm here with Ryan and we're gonna finish.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about dustborn legendary creatures by talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Commander Decks now in our thme s Hey, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing good? What is going down?

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<v Speaker 1>A whole bunch is going down? Since yesterday we have

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<v Speaker 1>moved forward in time chronologically, a shorter time for for you,

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<v Speaker 1>the viewer. We have some stories to tell, some decks

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, some people to thank. Before we get

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. You'd see our promo code CEO Summer on

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<v Speaker 2>the beautiful Damn Studio set. Big thanks to producer Gary

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<v Speaker 2>and producer Valor in there today. Big thanks to Fusion

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<v Speaker 2>discount on any of your stuff, of course CEO Summer

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<v Speaker 2>you'd see it on the screen there if you're watching

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, what should be Big thanks to editor Joe

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<v Speaker 2>as well, working overtime burning the candle out of both ends?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you from both ends?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there ever a reason to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're editor Joe, you're into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Like, if you had a candle and you, like you,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you have to do? You'd have to like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scrape all the wax off one end to

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<v Speaker 1>make the wick poke out the bottom and then like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Editor Joe's wick pokes out the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Does it give you double the light?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it give you double the heat? Does the light

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<v Speaker 1>globe that the candle creates is it now twice the

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<v Speaker 1>size I would assume or does it only? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>now oblong shaped?

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<v Speaker 2>Also? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And it just extends out to the side a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit brandology everybody. That's why we pay them the big bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, asking the real hard questions. You know, ill bention.

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<v Speaker 1>There's somebody out there that actually knows done.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the light penetrate into the darkness? And if you

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<v Speaker 2>and and is it in a vacuum or not? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>fire can't burn in a vacuum, I guess because it

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<v Speaker 2>needs it needs air.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it literally can't do. What the hell is

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<v Speaker 1>that dog doing?

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<v Speaker 2>We got the we picked up a kid, we picked

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<v Speaker 2>up a dog man. We've got a pile of bones,

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<v Speaker 2>our stunt beers. This is the lime hibiscus, very good.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Stout, Uncle Brando's favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>What exists on the earth right now is all that

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<v Speaker 1>will ever exist on the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Saving that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll drink that as a celebration one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's really good. We were there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. It was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so fun. Have we said thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>Pile of Bones yet? Because they hosted us. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic night. I had nachos. You had something that

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<v Speaker 2>probably took you four hours to eat. I both enjoyed ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like when we were in Vancouver and

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<v Speaker 1>I ate that same burger for like an hour for

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same reason, because the burger was so flip

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<v Speaker 1>and good, and I didn't want to not have the

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<v Speaker 1>burger anymore, so I just ate it really slow so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could keep eating the burger.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the opposite I've got the opposite philosophy covered.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's good, I want to put as much of

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<v Speaker 2>it inside my body as soon as possible. Oh hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that works too. Hey we can get into an argument

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet and still be friends. What Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 2>Dusk Morn House of Horror pre con today. We do

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<v Speaker 2>disagree on some parts of it, but we will still

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<v Speaker 2>be friends before we get to it. Don't forget this

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<v Speaker 2>weekend command Fest Toronto. If you're a Torontonian or a

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<v Speaker 2>or if you're in anywhere in Ontario, anywhere in Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>buy your command Fest package're gonna get you a discount

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<v Speaker 2>and a free gift from your good friend Ryan. So

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<v Speaker 2>come on down. We've got CEO Experience Calgary coming up

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<v Speaker 2>in November. Sure do get on to the Patreon page

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<v Speaker 2>patreon dot com slash CEO podcast for that, because man,

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<v Speaker 2>that is gonna be a fun When I told my

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<v Speaker 2>cousin about it and she's like, oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are actually doing like a full experience here. Is

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<v Speaker 2>she gonna stay in the houseless Most likely not. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna tell her, you know what, nerds only, nerds only,

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<v Speaker 2>and she might be in Mexico. Arriba ariba. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>a Mexican thing, I think, so sure, yeah, sure, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. So again, Patreon supporters, you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>an invite if you're in the discord and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to help be part of like the planning team. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got some chefs, We've got people bring in like some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty nifty and exclusive and expensive booster packs for open Flippy.

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<v Speaker 2>We are quite intimately familiar with Calgary, so we kind

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<v Speaker 2>CEO dude bros that are coming are going to have vehicles,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's going to be easier for us to get

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<v Speaker 2>around than to have to rely on people like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We usually have to rely on people to like bring

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<v Speaker 2>cars or be chauffeurs or whatever. Yeah, We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of the supplies ourselves, so it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a lot easier, which makes it a lot

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<v Speaker 2>smoother and more fun at the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm looking forward to like kind of being We

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<v Speaker 1>are always kind of the host of the event, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be kind of fun to be like

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<v Speaker 1>the host in it city that we know. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we can show youse guys a good time in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that the nation has shown us over.

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<v Speaker 2>The last few years in the cities that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's exciting. I'm looking forward to that.

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<v Speaker 2>The tables tune yeah yeah, yeah. Okay, So with all

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, we have in front of us the

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<v Speaker 2>legendary Creach from the Dusk Morn pre cons. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>have eight of them, kind of a like the main

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<v Speaker 2>one and then the backup one. Yes, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the main ones are three three colors, No, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, there are two or three colors, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna go through and we're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick look at the pre con. I have some questions

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<v Speaker 2>about again that modern horror genre that Dusk Morn is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of plugging the whole of don't google that and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to pick your brain and I'm not seeing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like remember we talked on this overall set review. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just I'll just answer your question now. Sure. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how like I said, this cit hit said, hits

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<v Speaker 1>it so hard on the hand it.

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<v Speaker 2>With with like with here are here are the tropes

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<v Speaker 2>Annabelle and Jason and Freddy Krueger and saw like in

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<v Speaker 2>a straw did with the classic horror like werewolves and

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<v Speaker 2>vampires and Jacquelin Hyde, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>I commented that maybe it might even be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too on the nose. And these commander decks are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, in my view, the opposite where they they're

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<v Speaker 1>just they're just commander decks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they're they're they're just do you or do you

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<v Speaker 2>see in the abilities or the arts of any of them,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's not a movie, do you see something

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<v Speaker 2>like the weird House that's got like all the different

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<v Speaker 2>doors and stairs and like the the eyes in the

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<v Speaker 2>picture that move like on Scooby Doo, right, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>you see that kind of stuff on any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, absolutely, that is all the esthetic is there? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But like the specific tropiness that just permeates the whole

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<v Speaker 1>set not really present here in my opinion, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think hurts some of these decks because I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>again top down view, I think these decks are a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little generic, and when they don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>flavor that permeates the set, I think that they were

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<v Speaker 1>really relying on the arch Enemy gimmick or really sell

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<v Speaker 1>this set. I was going to ask you emy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't boy, because Arch Enemy in my again, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, I think Arch Enemy is a trash form

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll never play it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm I tend to agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I will never play our genemy again. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>like it no matter which side I'm on. It's frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>for the the one against the three because you always

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<v Speaker 1>lose and the cards that they're printing in these sets

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<v Speaker 1>aren't good enough to help you beat three actual commandment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll decode that these four pre cons are balanced

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<v Speaker 2>for gameplay against each other, as they always are. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get four precons, yeah, there is not one

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<v Speaker 2>that is distinctly stronger that is always supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the arch enemy. Correct that when so when you do

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<v Speaker 2>arch Enemy, that one always loses.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you and if you try it with

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<v Speaker 1>like your actual tuned decks and just with the arch

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<v Speaker 1>Enemy decks, that's even more apparent because like your decks

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<v Speaker 1>are tuned to beat three other people, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>only have to beat one and you have help, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can you see you thought of it that way?

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny that Plaine's Plane Chase is so beloved and

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<v Speaker 2>you and I love it, and the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>do it is is so unique and fun for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>that we kind of meet and introduce to that format,

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<v Speaker 2>and ourch enemy is just sucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I could get the old arch Enemy cards

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<v Speaker 1>and like mix them with these ones, I would actually

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe if you have them, you could let us

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<v Speaker 1>know how many Arch Enemy cards do you actively have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a to play during a turn to actually

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<v Speaker 1>make you a threat to other to three other players?

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know in the comments, let us know if.

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<v Speaker 1>You've done it or you've ever tried it, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>made Plane Chase better by changing the format, yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>that we like it better. Maybe people have done that

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<v Speaker 1>with our chenemy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know if you need a refresher on our

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<v Speaker 2>way to play plane Chase. We've done episodes on it

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, but it might be good to do

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<v Speaker 2>a modern take on it. Yeah, so let's look at

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<v Speaker 2>the first commander.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Winter cynical opportunist sounds like me. Yeah. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>two to five human warlock for Green Black two with

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<v Speaker 2>death touch when Winter attacks Mill three cards. Cool, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's doing Gulgari stuff already, death touch and milk.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got delirium. At the beginning of your end step,

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<v Speaker 2>you may excel any number of cards from your graveyard

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<v Speaker 2>with four or more card types among them. So four

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<v Speaker 2>different card types. If you do, put a permanent card

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<v Speaker 2>from among them onto the battlefield with a finality count

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<v Speaker 2>on it. So each turn, I'm going to maybe mill

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<v Speaker 2>card types, sure, and then I'm going to probably reanimate

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. I'm probably gonna have to supplement that

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<v Speaker 2>self mill and we're gonna see some of that in

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<v Speaker 2>the pre con. But this guy isn't speaking to me

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<v Speaker 2>with a whole bunch of authority or power.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's And you have to do delirium over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. We talked yesterday. I don't really like delirium

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like a weird hoop and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a luck based hoop too, because you've got a mill

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<v Speaker 1>into certain types of cards at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying now? There is the deck

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<v Speaker 2>building cost of delirium is certainly there. Mostly we can

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<v Speaker 2>get around it, especially if we're smart with our scryfall

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<v Speaker 2>searches and we search for like artifact land right, or

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<v Speaker 2>artifact creature or enchantment creature, and we can find all

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<v Speaker 2>of these different card types. Yes, that's a deck building

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<v Speaker 2>cost though, and and maybe we make some concessions if

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<v Speaker 2>we find that if we're tooking, toking and tweaking and

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting this deck, we find that it starts to work worse,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think would happen if if we did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think that winter cynical opportunitists, as especially

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<v Speaker 1>as the face commander of this deck is just's if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do dredge, which kind of he's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>begging to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, play the netro Bloom.

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<v Speaker 1>You get an extra color and a deck that's really

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<v Speaker 1>really good, fucking good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Uncle Brando and producer Gary not even telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that my cup was still on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at the other commander for this deck, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually good.

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<v Speaker 1>I really really like this. Okay, this one's might I

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<v Speaker 1>think this one might actually be my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you want to give him a read?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to frand Ma. The Creaking Nest is a

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<v Speaker 1>five to five for five legendary artifact creature scarecrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever oh medics in reach Madison reach. Yeah, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>scary and tall. Yes, whenever randomr Creaking Nest enters the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what? And whenever you play a card with two

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<v Speaker 1>or more card types. Yes, each player creates a tapped

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<v Speaker 1>two two black bird creature token with flying The tokens

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<v Speaker 1>are goaded for the rest of the game. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>why I like that. It's a scarecrow commander that's actually good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't have to play Reaper King, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really cool. It encourages you to play scarecrows, which

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<v Speaker 1>are artifact creatures, because they'll always make a bird.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I didn't think of that, but yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, because you're playing scarecrows, you're making crows that are

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<v Speaker 1>then scared to attack you. Right, So there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>story in there, and it's got a really cool art

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I really like that. I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>i'd build it because there's not enough really good scarecrows

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<v Speaker 1>yet that I'm gonna gonna do it. But man, that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a cool card, and scarecrows are printed. Boy, this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a cool deck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something. There are scare there's at least

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<v Speaker 2>one scarecrow man rock, and there are two scarecrows or

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<v Speaker 2>a scarecrow in an equipment that have the untapped symbol

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<v Speaker 2>in them. And you could play necrotic Ooze in here,

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<v Speaker 2>and you could play that new Marvin the Puppet guy

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<v Speaker 2>in here, and you could have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a scarecrow combo deck where you're also encouraging your opponents

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<v Speaker 2>to attack each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Each other up and then you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Your own thing, trying to like wait it out and

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<v Speaker 2>combo by giving them things to do to each other

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<v Speaker 2>for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or hear me out, just play necroblu. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need any of that crow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess you.

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<v Speaker 1>Could, And that's kind of the thing better. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, if that's your kind of gimmick or

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<v Speaker 1>your plan, you're there's better options, very recently printed, better

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<v Speaker 1>options then than these ones. So I think overall, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Burp into that microphone one more time, I swear I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to fucking put you through this table.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I think that overall, this

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<v Speaker 1>deck is just not to the level that I've come

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<v Speaker 1>to expect of WATSI when they're building.

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<v Speaker 2>I got I got one, even I'll do you one better.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>I I agree, And also I feel that way of

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Gulguri color identity, I don't think it's very good,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like the direction it's been taken in.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if you want to do graveyard stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>just use black and save yourself the money and the

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<v Speaker 2>mana and the shit that you got to do. I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you want to make mana, black is fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and green can do it, and green can mill, and

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<v Speaker 2>black can mill yourself. In both regards, they both can reanimate.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you put them together, it's like, oh, why

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<v Speaker 2>do I I gotta do this thing and jump through

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<v Speaker 2>this thing and do this other stuff when really All

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do is make creatures play green. All

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do is reanimate big guys play black.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I have to like mill three cards and

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<v Speaker 2>just get I guess it's the dirty value engine that

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't like. It's the reason I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>monol artifact decks, because it's just like, I'm gonna tap

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<v Speaker 2>this and do this and do this, do this, and

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay, at the end of my eight minute turn,

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<v Speaker 2>I put one plus one on my guy and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>tapped out and I milled two cards and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you feel the same way about Gilgari as I

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<v Speaker 1>do about is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, they're just kind Is that what that feels like?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're just uninteresting and I I, yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, and I think that this deck is

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<v Speaker 1>a very solid example of that. It's just well, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with it. It's just no, not exciting when we

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<v Speaker 1>look at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Deck too, and again not a knock on the deck

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<v Speaker 2>if you like it, but when we look at the deck,

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<v Speaker 2>when you add up all the value of the cards

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<v Speaker 2>that are in it. Now we're not the command's owner.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing an hour and a half breakdown per deck.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what we're doing. This deck's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>nine bucks Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like three hundred Canadian Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Every other deck is like one hundred and fifty, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty, one hundred and forty. Right, every other

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<v Speaker 2>deck is more expensive than this one. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the times that has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the power level and diversity of the commander and the

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<v Speaker 2>decks that they can lead outside of the pre Con.

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<v Speaker 2>And also because of the power level of the commander,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes the pre con more powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so let's move on. Let's move on to what

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<v Speaker 2>do we got here? Do you want to do the

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<v Speaker 2>valgav Off deck?

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<v Speaker 1>The Endless Punishment? This is our This is WATSI tries

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<v Speaker 1>to do groups slug without giving you any of the

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<v Speaker 1>group's lug stuff. I think I'm gonna Brando's hot take

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<v Speaker 1>number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very badly built deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anybody hear his shoulder crack when he did that?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah? That felt great. I felt really good. This deck

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<v Speaker 1>is very very badly done. And the reason I say

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<v Speaker 1>that is because I play this deck in Mono Red

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<v Speaker 1>in my tour brand deck. You can check that out

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<v Speaker 1>on my architect page.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've probably done many mono red decks that you

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<v Speaker 2>can put your stamp of approval on also.

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<v Speaker 1>And what that deck does is it punishes your opponents

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<v Speaker 1>for doing things because this deck wants your opponents to

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<v Speaker 1>take damage on their turns, and then it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>no tools to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's read the two command It gives.

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<v Speaker 1>You everything that you want to play in Ractose Lord

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<v Speaker 1>of Riots, including Ractose Lord of Riots. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same. It's not the same. You know, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to hurt your opponents. Sorry, In Ractose, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hurt your opponents on your turn to make your

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<v Speaker 1>stuff cheap. Yes, and that's what this deck can do.

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<v Speaker 1>In Valgavath, the deck that you just bought at the

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<v Speaker 1>store and you play, you want to hurt them on

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<v Speaker 1>their turn, and they didn't give you near enough tools

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<v Speaker 1>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna read them. The full art one that

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<v Speaker 2>you get with the pre con I think might be

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<v Speaker 2>in the running for best art in the set. A

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<v Speaker 2>very very cool piece of art there. This would make

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent big card in Studio Cco at my house. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to anybody who can get me that four

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<v Speaker 2>four elder Demon for Red Black two flying ward pay

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<v Speaker 2>two life. Sure, that's not even a ward. Really, I

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<v Speaker 2>have lots of life. I don't care. Whenever an opponent

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<v Speaker 2>loses life for the first time during each of their turns,

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<v Speaker 2>put a plus one counter on Valgavath Herror of Souls

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<v Speaker 2>and draw card. So when they lose life on their

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<v Speaker 2>turn yep, so I would be encouraged to do instant

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<v Speaker 2>speed damage to them, or PingER damage to make leg

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<v Speaker 2>or or sulfuric vortex to make them lose one life

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<v Speaker 2>on each of their turns.

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<v Speaker 1>Or there's man of b Yeah, the creature, the dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever a creature comes into play, they take one. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many of those that they activate a manna or

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<v Speaker 1>an activated ability that is into manna ability they take

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<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, all that stuff, and there's barely any of

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<v Speaker 1>it present here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not even a because it's on the reserve list.

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<v Speaker 2>Forsaken wastes another price spike card, this one three percent

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<v Speaker 2>increase in price from four dollars up to at its peak,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six dollars, and it's a players can't gain life

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<v Speaker 2>enchantment for three from mirage and it says during each

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<v Speaker 2>player's upkeep that player loses one life and if they

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<v Speaker 2>target this they lose five life. Neat, So it caught

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<v Speaker 2>this card. And what's the other guy's name? Not Valgavath,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord of Pain. Now that's a cool name. That

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<v Speaker 2>is a cool this guy is is this supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be the Saw guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Mojo?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's mojo from? That's an Austin Powers thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No from from X Men. Mojo? He was this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like this international or intergalactic alien asshole that runs

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<v Speaker 1>like a Okay, play video, play dangerous sports and die

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<v Speaker 1>for real on TV. Oh that's still that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>what that's the vibe I'm getting on this.

425
00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:23.960
<v Speaker 2>This is giving me the Saw vibes, like Jigsaw vibes.

426
00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll read them. And because he kind of cares about

427
00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:28.759
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, he's a five to five menace. Opponents

428
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:32.440
<v Speaker 2>can't gain life for five sure rachtels and three Whenever

429
00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a player casts their first spell each turn, choose another

430
00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.799
<v Speaker 2>target player. Lord of Payin deals damage equal to that

431
00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:43.039
<v Speaker 2>spell's man of value to the chosen player. So if

432
00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.839
<v Speaker 2>we had both Valgevath and Lord of Payne out, they

433
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.279
<v Speaker 2>cast a spell somebody takes damage, I draw a card

434
00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and put a plus one on Valgabath.

435
00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Because they have to take damage. They have to take

436
00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>damage on their turn. So when they play a card,

437
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.359
<v Speaker 1>somebody else takes damage, you don't get shit.

438
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Choose another target player.

439
00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh here, here's what I know.

440
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I cast a spell on your turn, and I choose you,

441
00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and then I put a plus one and draw card

442
00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and this guy deals damage to you.

443
00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:10.400
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

444
00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:12.079
<v Speaker 2>So I gotta have both of those out. To do

445
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:13.839
<v Speaker 2>both of those things, I gotta spend nine man on

446
00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.119
<v Speaker 2>two cards of my deck.

447
00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And then play cards from your hand at instant speed.

448
00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.599
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of it's a lot of jumping through

449
00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hoops.

450
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.400
<v Speaker 2>And I like a lot of the words in the

451
00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>arrangements that they're on on these two cards. I think

452
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:26.799
<v Speaker 2>that they're good cards.

453
00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but are they? And here's here's what I don't

454
00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 1>like about Lord Pain is it's not a may And

455
00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 1>when there's only two of you left and you have

456
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>to pick somebody that isn't the person that played the spell.

457
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.519
<v Speaker 1>What happens when it's just you and me and you're

458
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:44.960
<v Speaker 1>playing the Lord of Plane? I love that, and I

459
00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:49.200
<v Speaker 1>time Stretch. Oh oh right, well.

460
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.319
<v Speaker 2>If you time stretch you probably win. Or Lava What

461
00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.400
<v Speaker 2>if I lava ax you I take ten?

462
00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

463
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what in the pre show a couple days ago,

464
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I said that I like when cards take a known

465
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:10.200
<v Speaker 2>thing and take us in another direction, or maybe the

466
00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:13.559
<v Speaker 2>opposite direction. You brought up Ractose Lord of Riots. I

467
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.880
<v Speaker 2>want you to take damage on my turn to make

468
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>my creatures cost less. Yeah, in the same color combination,

469
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:24.039
<v Speaker 2>and maybe with a lot of the same cards. I

470
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>could do Lord of Pain or Volgevath, and I care

471
00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.400
<v Speaker 2>about you taking damage, but on your turn it's the

472
00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:35.319
<v Speaker 2>same thing, but the opposite. And that makes them different decks.

473
00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.440
<v Speaker 2>So to compare them is like kind of not fair.

474
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Even though they look they look the same.

475
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm comparing them because the cards selections for both the

476
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.960
<v Speaker 1>decks are very similar. Ah, That's why I'm comparing them.

477
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Ah. So like like blood Artist, blood Seeker, like Aristocrats,

478
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.279
<v Speaker 2>and when you play something you take damage like a

479
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:02.119
<v Speaker 2>like a Mayhem Devil And what's the other one, harsh

480
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.400
<v Speaker 2>mentor right, like those cards would maybe be in rack

481
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Doose decks. We've got a Ractose Lord of Riots in

482
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.640
<v Speaker 2>this deck. Which, man, you don't have noticed a lot

483
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:17.400
<v Speaker 2>about these pre cons. Tell me and and maybe did

484
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.079
<v Speaker 2>we say this on the show already or is it

485
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>just you and I talking about this off air? Is

486
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you see like these hundred and some dollars reprint values

487
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's tied up in a few cards that equal

488
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:31.640
<v Speaker 2>like maybe forty dollars, And then because you've got one

489
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>hundred more cards or ninety six more cards that are

490
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.400
<v Speaker 2>all between twenty and seventy cents, it's like, oh wow,

491
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the deck is one hundred and forty two dollars of value.

492
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm going to trade in every single basic land

493
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.079
<v Speaker 2>and actually get money for it. Like, no, that's not

494
00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 2>how this works.

495
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not how you do it. The value for

496
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 1>your money is in the playability of the deck, and

497
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.319
<v Speaker 1>that's what I've been saying. I feel like these are

498
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of lacking. I really do. I'm not saying you're

499
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>not worth it to buy. This is a very novel

500
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 1>idea for a deck. Ryan is right, but out of

501
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:05.519
<v Speaker 1>the box, it doesn't do the thing, and it says

502
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it does. Bro.

503
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.519
<v Speaker 2>They got massacre girl, massacre worm. They got some hitters

504
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>like feed this warm bedevil, blood packed No, that's not

505
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 2>what am I thinking of grave packed. That card's good,

506
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.440
<v Speaker 2>that's a good card. Yeah, they've got some good cards

507
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 2>in here.

508
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 1>There's some there's some good stuff, right like it's it's there.

509
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It just it doesn't when you read the front of

510
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the box and it it says endless punishment, it doesn't

511
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of punishing. This isn't a punisher deck.

512
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>It's just a rac doose deck.

513
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Maybe with some tweaks it would be right.

514
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you could build this now that there's a commander

515
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>to do, Like I'm gonna do damage to you on

516
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>your term, I'm gonna get value for it. Now that

517
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>there's commanders to do that, you and I or you

518
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>out there can do it. Right, You could totally build

519
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.839
<v Speaker 1>these decks. But WATSI didn't do that for you.

520
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to try and find something that we can

521
00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>say about these that's positive and and well. And maybe

522
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the only thing so far is if you scro guys awesome,

523
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.559
<v Speaker 2>If you buy all four of them, they will be

524
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>balanced to play together. Sure, And a lot of the

525
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.599
<v Speaker 2>times I've found at our lgs and people do buy

526
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:17.559
<v Speaker 2>all four of them. That's true, right, Yes, So I

527
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>guess if you're if you're planning to pick up pre cons,

528
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe you say, like, oh, I'm not gonna buy

529
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>my my booster box of play boosters and one pre con.

530
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I buy all four pre cons and play them

531
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 2>together on game on game Night. Yeah, and then I

532
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.640
<v Speaker 2>just buy singles from Fusion for the rest of what

533
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to own from the set instead of trying

534
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to crack them from packs.

535
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

536
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, maybe that's the solution.

537
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And for the record, also, we're not gonna go into

538
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 1>individual cards because you don't have time for all that stuff.

539
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 1>But the new cards that have been printed in these

540
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:53.559
<v Speaker 1>precons are ten per deck.

541
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm. Besides the arch enemy schemes or whatever they're called, yeah.

542
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 1>They actually there are actually some cool ones. There's a

543
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 1>rebound creature kill spell. Yeah, there's one that lets you

544
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>play cards off the top of your library by paying life.

545
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Some of the door enchant MEAs your room enchantments are

546
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>only available in the pre cons.

547
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>And there's some really neat stuff in here. So it's

548
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>not that they're not valueless, it's not that there's bad

549
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>cards or they're bad decks. I just think that they've

550
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>set a certain bar, a certain standard, a certain expectation

551
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't meet it this time. They just didn't.

552
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you have to not compare these pre cons

553
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to the modern horizons three pre cons. You can't do that.

554
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not what we're doing.

555
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>No, not at all.

556
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>But with slight correction, Commander exclusive no pre con exclusive

557
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 2>rares can be got in collector boosters, right, yes, okay,

558
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>so we could get them in the three hundred and

559
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars product instead of buying all of the pre

560
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>cons for two hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, because excitement.

561
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you want to have less excitement, but all

562
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 1>the cards, you could certainly buy the decks.

563
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fine. We've talked about that, especially like with

564
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Who when when every single card in the entire

565
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 2>set was in the pre cors.

566
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Just buy them and get them and you have them

567
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 1>and that's awesome. Yeah. Next up, this one. This is

568
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 1>my least favorite of all of them.

569
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Man, I thought, frick, I thought, we hit your least

570
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>favorite already, We're going this is the one.

571
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>This is the one that scrapes the bottom of the

572
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>shitty bucket. This deck sucks.

573
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this is another zimone one with the prime

574
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>numbers and stuff.

575
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, she can take a long walk up a short

576
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>hill and just roll down the other side into a

577
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>bear trap.

578
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Man like, I will read her just in case. Okay, okay,

579
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Human Wizard blue Green two three three with Landfall. Hey,

580
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>look at that. Whenever a land enters a battlefit under

581
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 2>your control, uh, manifest dread that is mill two. Put

582
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>one into your graveyard, manifest the other one. Okay, it's

583
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 2>a two two face down creature that can be turned

584
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>face up for it's manocost if it's creature, correct, Okay,

585
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>if it's the first time a land entered this, turn,

586
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that's what you do.

587
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Sugars wants to turn. Yeah.

588
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise you may turn a permanent you control face up.

589
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Cool awesome, So.

590
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Landfall manifest a guy face down or turn something face up?

591
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Morph it, I guess right, Radical guys this okay.

592
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to see another morphed deck.

593
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Can I have a Can I have like a the

594
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>lucast of warm takes like this is this is sorry,

595
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking into the mic. This is like a

596
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 2>day old coffee temperature.

597
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, It's like that pizza we earlier.

598
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 2>This is a lead singer Commander front of the Commander

599
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>pre con deck box for Dusk Moorn House of Horror

600
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 2>that goes in the ninety nine of your fifteen year

601
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>old morphed deck.

602
00:29:51.920 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go, dang, it's not good. No, that's not a

603
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 1>no no.

604
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 2>No landfall morph though that's pretty good. No landfall if

605
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>this is in the ninety nine of my morph deck,

606
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and I can go like landfall morph and give all

607
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>your like do the thing that my and some of

608
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the best morph cards came out in, like onslaught, Like

609
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>if I can morph, bounce your guy, or if I

610
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>can morph, put a permanent onto the battlefield, if I

611
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>can morph give something protection, then attack with like, yeah,

612
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>there are reasons to landfall and free morph your guys.

613
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Of course, like that's good, and this ought to go

614
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 2>in the ninety nine of your morph decks.

615
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 1>But keep in mind, keeping in mind, you have to

616
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.119
<v Speaker 1>have two lands come into play before you can do that.

617
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 1>It's not one or the other. The first one you

618
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 1>manifest dread, then you have to have another land come

619
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>into play in order to morph something.

620
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Ooh, this got way worse.

621
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course it did, because this is a bad This

622
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>is a bad card and a bad deck let's read

623
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the other one, because it's even worse.

624
00:30:59.200 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 2>It's worse.

625
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's even less exciting. We saved the best one

626
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>for last.

627
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 2>For the record, Kianni corrupted memory two to two for four.

628
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>We're starting out strong illusion. It's it's blue green two.

629
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:21.519
<v Speaker 3>As long as Kiyani Kiyani kan Kiani Kiani sure power

630
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 3>is even if okay, as long as Kiani's power is even,

631
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 3>you may cast non creature spells as though they had

632
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 3>flash yep, okay, that's good.

633
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>So natively it's a flash enabler for my spells. Sure,

634
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 2>as long as Kiyani's power is odd, you can cast

635
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>creatures as though they had flash. M hmm, okay, that's good.

636
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you draw card out, there's the semic bullshit. Put

637
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a plus one counter on it. Sure is there room

638
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 2>for more bullshit in semic bullshit? I suppose there always is.

639
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>There could be. Pretty soon the whole deck will be

640
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 1>so much bullshit you won't even know what you're doing.

641
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>People will damn so much bullsheited of their deck they

642
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.039
<v Speaker 1>won't even do anything. Those have a bunch of two

643
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>toos for fucking four, That draws them five cards. That's

644
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>what they'll have oh.

645
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, two twos for four.

646
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Hey, like, like, who even why is this a legendary creature?

647
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Why is this a fancy card in the commander? This

648
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 1>is so not good? Like it? And when you look

649
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>at the deck list, like, it's not exciting. There's not

650
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a ton of amazing creatures you're gonna we got.

651
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>We got a Shageky that's a powerful card. We've got

652
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>an augur of Autumn that's powerful. There's powerful cards in here.

653
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>We got a scoot Swarm that's good card. There's good

654
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>cards in here that enable landfall.

655
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>But you know what's better than morphing a scoot swarm

656
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>just playing the fucking scoot Swarm and then playing a

657
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.799
<v Speaker 1>land and getting a bug that's better.

658
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Or getting like ten lands? Is there anything? Hey, there's

659
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 2>a world spine Worm in here. That's a good reprint.

660
00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

661
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a biomass mutation. You like that card, don't you know?

662
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's a rampant growth in here.

663
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, Now that's powerful magic. If there's a Manolith

664
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>in here, I'd be rock hard, just like Data Roach.

665
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much so. New new art for Cackling counterpart.

666
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 2>I know you like that card? Instance, speed clone your guy,

667
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>that's a good one with flashback. But if the most

668
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>excited we are is about a new art on cackling.

669
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Counterpart, the deck has failed.

670
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the deck has achieved what it ought

671
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>to have.

672
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it this is this deck sucks. I'm sorry.

673
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm so unimpressed with every facet of this deck.

674
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Dig through time, I play that card, I play that card.

675
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, it doesn't make the deck good.

676
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>It makes it kind of not good.

677
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, if you need the experimental Lab staff room

678
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and you don't want to crack collector boosters, you could

679
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 2>always get this brecon.

680
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that card does.

681
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna move on, Yeah, we are.

682
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>This the final one, though the final one is a

683
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 1>This is a good one, and we were talking about

684
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.199
<v Speaker 1>it before we started the show with a Miracle Worker deck. Yeah,

685
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 1>helmed by our girl Amanatu and the crazy Ghost Lady

686
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna talk about is very good. This is

687
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a cool deck that brings back a type that I

688
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>think was one of those unsupported Kindred decks. We'll say,

689
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 1>right like, I want to play the Miracles deck, but well,

690
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 1>there's not very many miracles. You have to jam them

691
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>all to get the flavor in, right.

692
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And some of them are not things that you'd

693
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>want a miracle all the time, because when Miracle was invented,

694
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 2>let's say, Commander wasn't a thing, right like, and Terminus

695
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 2>is a great card, but like the Miracle Man entreat

696
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the angels. Yeah, is that one that I want in

697
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 2>my deck all the time, because it's not very good

698
00:34:56.039 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>if I don't miracle it the take an extra turn one. Sure,

699
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>an extra turn is fine, but in a deck that

700
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 2>isn't dedicated to combo or dedicated to aggro or dedicated

701
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to taking extra turns. One extra turn in your three

702
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>color deck that isn't a combo deck might just be

703
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>like drawn extra card, play an extra land. And it's

704
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>only good then if you miracle it, right Like, So,

705
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Miracle is that good in Commander unless

706
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>they give us more incentive to play Miracle and or

707
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 2>they give us more Miracle cards. And we got both

708
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 2>of those with this deck.

709
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I think that that is fantastic. So I

710
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>think that this one is the best one, Okay, And

711
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm never gonna play any of the shit that's in here.

712
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>But I'm really happy that like five colored Mono at

713
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Angelira and is definitely gonna play this stuff. Yeah, and

714
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 1>so we're a bunch of people that are watching and

715
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 1>listen right now, and that makes me happy. Yes, this

716
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 1>is the one that people are gonna get excited about

717
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna buy it because they always wanted to

718
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 1>do a miracle thing or they love enchantress things, and

719
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>now you can do effing both on one card.

720
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, So Aminatu Veil piercer AVP black blue white

721
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 2>one two four Human Wizard. Last time we saw Amanatu,

722
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>she was a planes walker. Now she's just a little girl,

723
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>just a girl with a stick YEP at the beginning

724
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>of your upkeep surveil two already a fine effect. Sure,

725
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>each enchantment card in your hand has miracle. Its miracle

726
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 2>cost is equal to its MANI cost reduced by four colorless.

727
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>And what that means is you may cast a card

728
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>for its miracle cost if you drew it and it's

729
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the first card you drew this turn. Yea, So how

730
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 2>how that looks or what that is is? Okay, you say, go,

731
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 2>it starts to be my turn. I untap my lands,

732
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I pick up my first card in my hand like this,

733
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 2>and I go, it's a miracle card, and I put

734
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.679
<v Speaker 2>it on the table and play it for its cheaper

735
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 2>miracle cost. Like let's say I picked up a smothering Tithe.

736
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>I can go draw, don't touch it, or shuffle it

737
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>into my hand. I draw it, and I say, smoothing

738
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>tithes for its miracle cost, which in this case would

739
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>just be white, which is really good card, especially because

740
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I can get chaff out of the way and draw

741
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>that smothering Tithe with her first ability. Surveil two and

742
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the surveil colors. I'm in the skry colors.

743
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the you also have white, I'm in all

744
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.719
<v Speaker 2>of the removal and interaction colors. I'm in the top

745
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 2>deck manipulation colors. I'm in two of the three best

746
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>enchantress colors. Right, I'm missing green, but black is I'll

747
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>take it sure, Right, this card is a good card.

748
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I had an azorious deck for a little while that

749
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to do so badly with it was

750
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>have it be an enchantment, an enchantment deck that didn't

751
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 1>play dudes, because all the enchantments make dudes and it

752
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 1>functioned fine. Yeah, but the one issue I always ran

753
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 1>into with it was these enchantments. I'll start at four, five,

754
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>six manna and like, yeah, I had no play for

755
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the early game, whereas here that would totally solve all

756
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of my problems.

757
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 2>In this case, you spend four mana one time and

758
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>then all of your five drops cost one.

759
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty good.

760
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>It's you just built a deck like that, right, You're

761
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 2>you just built a grul deck that has all the

762
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>expensive enchantments that start at five and six Nana do

763
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>all the crazy stuff that you would expect a five

764
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and six mana enchantment to do.

765
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But they're also four to four indestructibles with haste that

766
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 1>draw me a card when they hit you.

767
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So if if you take that kind of power

768
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>level or that kind of altitude of what can five

769
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and six men enchanter enchantments do lots, let's just make

770
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 2>them cost one.

771
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Now.

772
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's also good. That's also pretty okay, Let's read

773
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>the other one, because if this one's good and the

774
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 2>other one's better, that means this next one is freaking

775
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the best one.

776
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Now, this one is i will say, arguably more powerful

777
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>than Ammonatu. I think Ammanatu is more fun and interesting. Yes,

778
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what I think. Not as fun and interesting

779
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the Scarecrow guy, but fun and interesting. I like Ammanato

780
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>more than I like that I think of Keys.

781
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Ammamatu Ammanatu might be top three favorite. Sure,

782
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 2>I like that Lord of Pain, and I like Master

783
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of Keys the most. Okay, okay, black Blue, White x

784
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>GEZ for a three to three legendary enchantment creature horror.

785
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>All of that's relevant enchantment and creature, and it's a horror.

786
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 2>So all the things that care about horrors could go

787
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in this deck if you didn't want to make an

788
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 2>enchantment deck.

789
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I can't even get it with talks real bullshit.

790
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bullshit flying. When Master of Keys enters put x

791
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>plus one counters on it and mill twice x, that's

792
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>all the words I like. I like every single one

793
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>of those words. I mill two times X. What like

794
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>what if X is? If X is three? So I

795
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>pay six mana for this it becomes a six to

796
00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 2>six flyer where I mill six right, and each enchantment

797
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 2>card in my graveyard has escape. The escape cost is

798
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 2>equal to the card's mana cost plus exile three other

799
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>cards from my graveyard, and you can cast the card

800
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>from your graveyard when you pay its escape cost. This

801
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and you might have heard of it is an esper

802
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>colored underworld breach in your command zone. Dang. And anybody

803
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>who knows the power of underworld breach, whether they've lost

804
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>to it, because you probably have or beat somebody with it,

805
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>because you probably have exactly knows that this is frickin'

806
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>good because it doesn't go away at end of turn

807
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and it has upside over and above underworld breach. Other

808
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>than costing more manna than Underworld breach, it's a trade

809
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.199
<v Speaker 2>off because it's a flying creature that also facilitates the

810
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>strategy and.

811
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Gives you more colors. And it looks cool and it's

812
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>got rad ard. Yes it's also cool.

813
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I would also want this big card, yes, very creepy.

814
00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I would like just like that picture.

815
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Of a probably probably a nice foil to hit, especially

816
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 2>with the enchantment border. Like this enchantment border that a

817
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a different treatment they do. Looks good

818
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 2>and foil. This card is frickin' good and is the

819
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 2>reason for the the booster Pac game we played on

820
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the pre show on Monday, we were hinting at a

821
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 2>card that spiked in price and it was called and

822
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it's called second Chance. I own this card. It's from

823
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Urza's Someone at the Hammer Destiny. I don't care Legacy, Legacy,

824
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>second chance, Blue two enchantment. During your turn, if you

825
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 2>have five or less life, sacrifice second chance and take

826
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>an extra turn.

827
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Neat.

828
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 2>So I'm playing black, and I have things like hatred

829
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>and ad nauseum and necropotents and anything that lets me

830
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>pay life to do stuff. Bullus is citadel. I just

831
00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>put myself the five tutor for my second chance. Let's

832
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 2>face it, this is the fucking deck. I put it

833
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>into play, and I take an extra turn when I

834
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice it because I'm at below five.

835
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And then you make the joke who says you only

836
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>get one second chance?

837
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what joke that is Zephyr a movie.

838
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the joke because you only get one second chance, right,

839
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you only get one chance to make a first impressions.

840
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I got a second chance, to take a

841
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>third second chance and a fourth second chance.

842
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>So what I do is with what I do is

843
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 2>with all of this uh cards in my graverar that

844
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I milled because my commander put them there. I exile

845
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 2>three of them and get the second chance back. So

846
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 2>on my extra turn, I can take an extra turn. Right, Well,

847
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to do it before my second turn because

848
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>this triggers during my upkeep, so I got to do

849
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>it before my extra turn. But the point is is

850
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you can take infinite turns with this in a in

851
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a deck where you're facilitating that strategy because you're milling

852
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 2>yourself and you have all the tutors, and you have

853
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the ways to limit your life total down to nothing. Right,

854
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and as if it's only black that can do it.

855
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>What's that legend that where you swap your power your

856
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>life total and its power. You put yourself to four

857
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's a four to four or whatever, the tree

858
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 2>of Pradition. I didn't even think of that one, but

859
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 2>we could use that one.

860
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Also.

861
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>That one puts you to thirteen.

862
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that's not low enough.

863
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thirteen, and then I only get to draw like

864
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:26.679
<v Speaker 2>eight cards with nec repotents hey man to combo for

865
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>infinite turns? Yeah? Oh fuck? What was me? So? I

866
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.119
<v Speaker 2>like this one the best. I think it's got obviously

867
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 2>like the highest power potential. Yes, and and the coolest

868
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 2>kooky build. Like I called Rebecca into the office last

869
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>night and was like, look at this stupid card that

870
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I've owned since nineteen ninety eight that I've never done

871
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 2>anything with except like use it to keep a table

872
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>from wobbling, And now it's spiked up, like doubled in

873
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>price because it combles with this stupid card here that

874
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 2>like I already liked doing the things that this wants

875
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>combo mill bullshit. And and she was like, whyeah, you're

876
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>a nerd.

877
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna yeah, I'm gonna leave the room. Why

878
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 1>did you make me come in here?

879
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 2>And I had a gay old time. So that's my

880
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>final thought of the day.

881
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell a story is my final shot

882
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>of the day. So I cracked a couple of packs

883
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 1>over the New weekend. Yeah, crack, that's insane.

884
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Was it on a BBO?

885
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It was not.

886
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Is it going to be No, we are going to

887
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 2>have a bach supposed to say? Yes?

888
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>No, the BBO is going to be a little bit

889
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 1>later this time. Yes, because I'm going to do it

890
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 1>with a box. We talked about it on the pre show.

891
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.559
<v Speaker 1>So check out on Monday where I've got some plans.

892
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 1>So if you're waiting for the Dusk Borne one, it

893
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>is coming, but it's going to be a little bit

894
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 1>later on in the month of October, a little closer

895
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to Halloween. Sure, here's the story. I'm cracking a couple

896
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>of packs. I opened my first room, okay, and I

897
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>gives it to Sam. It's my girlfriend.

898
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 2>She's sitting next to me, very nice lady.

899
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And she looks at it and what do you want

900
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 1>me to do with this? And I says, what do

901
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>you think of it? So it's like, why is it sideway?

902
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Because that's how they put the cards, that's how they

903
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 1>make those. Yeah, these are stupid and I hate them.

904
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 1>And she just threw it on the You just threw

905
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it down on the couch.

906
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, does she know you?

907
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Right, It's like, this is why we're together because

908
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 1>we were the same. It's it's very good.

909
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

910
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So I like that a lot. So that's my whole thing.

911
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I actually, like I said, I'm let down by these commanders.

912
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 1>We talked about these two great commanders. The deck itself

913
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>is fine.

914
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple great commanders in the pre cons and

915
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>there's certainly a lot of interesting, fun and cool cookie

916
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>commanders generally in Dusk Moore, and that I'm excited to

917
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 2>see and get lists for. So send them into the discord,

918
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>get on the Patreon if you're a disc if you

919
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>want to get onto the discord.

920
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>So these commander decks, I would argue, are great for

921
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>us because they give us some hints and some tools

922
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to build new crazy shit. Yep, they didn't necessarily do

923
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>it for us, which is fine.

924
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

925
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm totally cool with a little bit less handholding. But

926
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>again we said they set a certain barn reach it

927
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>this time. But they made better.

928
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Give me give me forty card pre cons where they

929
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.920
<v Speaker 2>give you half a manabase, half the cards you need,

930
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like the staples that need reprinted and the new commanders,

931
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and make them like fifteen bucks and then and then

932
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I can finish them myself. Give me that. That's give

933
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.039
<v Speaker 2>me that. With these kinds of decks where it's like, oh,

934
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I want some of the new ones. There's a couple

935
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of good reprints, there's some mega bomb ass Masters of Keys,

936
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and let me get them for cheap. Give me that.

937
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 2>That's again, that's a good one. Like that see we're

938
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 2>full of fills in the Malwakee.

939
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Make sure you send to put my name on there too. Yeah,

940
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 1>and some of that I want some of that watching money.

941
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.280
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's it. Is that it. We're going to

942
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.440
<v Speaker 1>be back to talk about deck lists. Keep them coming in.

943
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:44.679
<v Speaker 1>We've got your decks for producer Gary.

944
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Those are the Borols decks that you're.

945
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Going to learn to play on. We've got a couple

946
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of good ones that I think he's really gonna like.

947
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>We've seen a few in the discord already for decks. Desks,

948
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>decks from dusk morn. Jesus, that was twisted. I must

949
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.280
<v Speaker 1>have been talking for too long today. Yeah, I think

950
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>it might be time to go home and play.

951
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, check out my ebook. If you want to alter cards,

952
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>check out Fusion Gaming Online dot com. C CEO summer

953
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>promo code is gonna get you a discount on anything

954
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you buy at the store.

955
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and check out Pile of Bones if you want

956
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 1>to drink beer and have a delicious burger and you

957
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 1>happen to have the unfortunate situation where you're in Rigina.

958
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

959
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the whole thing, and we're going to be back

960
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>next week. To talk, decks, cards and have a whole

961
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun, And a very special episode of Commandager

962
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Cookout podcast

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