Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It
Speaker 1: is episode one eleven. We are deep into that good, good,
Speaker 1: hot hot summer. I'm Mike Mahardy, your host here as always,
Speaker 1: with Mary kish Hi and Dan Riker. Yes, hello, you
Speaker 1: see how I flipped it. Usually Mary's the disappointing sounding
Speaker 1: one one night and.
Speaker 2: Chetos way up. I've been eating orange tic tags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your tongue is fucking like like bile colored.
Speaker 2: I love orange tik tags.
Speaker 3: I can eat them every day and I do, and
Speaker 3: they do change the color of.
Speaker 4: My tongue universally. The favorite right the oranges.
Speaker 1: That's the same exact flavoring as orange skittles. Wait, oh,
Speaker 1: you've said that. I've said it before. Taste test them
Speaker 1: next to.
Speaker 4: When it's different.
Speaker 1: Maybe the outer suck on them, suck on each one successively.
Speaker 1: They're the same flavor skittle.
Speaker 4: No, I think what you bite. I think that illusion
Speaker 4: is shattered.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, But I'm just saying whatever flavor, just.
Speaker 4: Sucking on skittles. I fucking two those things me too.
Speaker 1: That's the point of them. They're a good texture. It's
Speaker 1: a nice kind of like a light crunch and then
Speaker 1: a chewy center.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a good way to attack someone
Speaker 3: is be like, go suck a skittle.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm getting back in the Jolly Rancher game.
Speaker 2: Nice whom you don't bite them, do you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: So that's what's great about it is because you give
Speaker 4: me a barrel of skittles, I'm just gonna fucking stick
Speaker 4: my head in it until there's no more skittles. A
Speaker 4: Jolly rancher, you don't have that option. You put one
Speaker 4: in there, you're good for like ten minutes, and then
Speaker 4: you've like you satisfied that sweet tooth.
Speaker 2: So like that's the way, like candy brick, Yeah, maybe like.
Speaker 4: Twenty calories there instead of two hundred and fifty of
Speaker 4: a whole skittles gimmick.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm impatient with hard candy and lollipops, took
Speaker 1: totsy rolls, blow pops. I I can rarely just suck
Speaker 1: on one until it's a nub. I have to crunch
Speaker 1: at some point.
Speaker 4: Do you ever get the grody one on at like
Speaker 4: vending machines or or the little gumball machines at like
Speaker 4: the bowling alley, And there's those big ass gob stoppers
Speaker 4: that were like you know, like yay, big, like a racquetball,
Speaker 4: and then it's just like, I don't know, you can't
Speaker 4: fit it in your mouth.
Speaker 1: There's no blue red, the primary color. Flex.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be like white, but it would have the
Speaker 4: flex yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like, so what do you do?
Speaker 4: You just fucking lick this thing for a while and
Speaker 4: put it in your pocket and you got fucking popcorn
Speaker 4: kernels and receipts all over it. When you pull it.
Speaker 1: Out, you suck on it like a tennis ball. Well
Speaker 1: you can't.
Speaker 4: I used to try to put it in my whole
Speaker 4: the whole thing in my mouth, and the Keiths blocket.
Speaker 1: You gotta be like a leech on certain parts because
Speaker 1: you go through. What do you do? You're not gonna
Speaker 1: know one thing.
Speaker 4: You put it in your carry on, a ziplock bag
Speaker 4: for it, What do you do?
Speaker 1: I used to carr around ziploc bags for them, really,
Speaker 1: or we would get like two of them at Wegman's
Speaker 1: and put them in one plastic bag and then start
Speaker 1: one and store it in the plastic bag. Ti I
Speaker 1: was ready to get sucking again. Or I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would do with the other one, though, I
Speaker 1: think my we must have had backup ziploc bags.
Speaker 4: Did we touch on these in our candy tier list?
Speaker 1: We had no dune jelly, right, yeah, we definitely did
Speaker 1: Jolly Ranchers. What did we give.
Speaker 4: Spot a Skittles star Burst and the strawberry guys that
Speaker 4: your grandma has?
Speaker 1: Oh those are I'm we were really.
Speaker 4: Aligned on our candy opinions, I found. I think we
Speaker 4: have very similar tastes in candies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sours.
Speaker 3: Candies with a shell with like a chewy center, things
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the good good.
Speaker 3: I've always been like such a sour head though, Like
Speaker 3: I usually anytime I am able to purchase whatever candy
Speaker 3: I want from a supermarket, I am going to probably
Speaker 3: get like those sour strips, the sour rainbows, coke bottles, yeah, gummies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Have you been to Japan? Oh yeah, yeah, Well you
Speaker 4: know that they have the they have all the like
Speaker 4: soda ones where it's like the roopier stuff with all
Speaker 4: the specs on it and everything. Like, I think as
Speaker 4: far as the sour candy game, Japan is like out
Speaker 4: of us.
Speaker 3: I think that they're they put all of their technological
Speaker 3: advancements into toilet and candy and.
Speaker 4: Cars but when we've been working TV games and we've
Speaker 4: been worried about.
Speaker 1: Drones and tanks, and they're just like, wait, what if
Speaker 1: what if we developed like a really nice chewy sour candy.
Speaker 1: I like that approach Japan. That'd be great. I'd love
Speaker 1: to It's a good place, or a kimono with nothing
Speaker 1: under it. All the time.
Speaker 3: Idiots putting in like putting together nukes, and it's like
Speaker 3: the real secret was the invention of the gummy bear.
Speaker 1: I think that's German. Horribo German. I don't like. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of bears.
Speaker 2: You're assuming Harrabou is the original.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're the standard popular. They're like the Kleenex of
Speaker 4: gummy bears.
Speaker 1: Are you suggesting there's an og Japanese gummy bear that
Speaker 1: Harbo upstaged.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're the most innovative.
Speaker 4: Who invented gummy bears? Okay, let's see.
Speaker 1: Well if.
Speaker 4: The founder of Harribo.
Speaker 1: Oh Hans Regal.
Speaker 4: Regal Senior in nineteen twenty two, was inspired by dancing
Speaker 4: bears that perform at festivals and wanted to create a fun,
Speaker 4: chewy candy and their likeness, Wow, they don't I don't
Speaker 4: like them, though I don't.
Speaker 2: Like going so he shot a horse, made it happen.
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about this before. It was a defining
Speaker 1: moment in my life. Amanda likes all things horribo. That
Speaker 1: I discovered, or rather realized, came to the realization that
Speaker 1: the green gummy bears are strawberry flavored. I always assume that,
Speaker 1: like in my head because I thought, because they're green,
Speaker 1: I assigned some sort of like lime tonight, Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: but now they're strawberry. Really, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that happens. Like the strawberry leaf is green.
Speaker 1: That's about it, though, because the red was already red.
Speaker 2: Is cherry cherry.
Speaker 3: By process of elimination. If it can't dot.
Speaker 4: Bink, you do red and bink. Star Wars, Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Runs. I like runs a lot. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: are runts the ones of the fruit there shaped like
Speaker 1: the fruit? Yeah? Yeah? What were the ones? Tiny tarts
Speaker 1: were the little member there's sweetart. There are sweet tarts
Speaker 1: but tiny yeah? Yeah. I look.
Speaker 4: The Harry Bow Corporation seems great outside of their core
Speaker 4: product of gummy bears. I like the Twin Snakes. I
Speaker 4: like the sour guys. I like the like most everything
Speaker 4: Hawerbow makes outside of the gummy bears, and like, don't
Speaker 4: get me wrong, give me back of gummy bears.
Speaker 1: I'm inhaling that ship.
Speaker 4: But it's like there's so many candies I would take
Speaker 4: over that, including from Harry Bow. Did you have a
Speaker 4: paper dots phase? No, those are ship You always end
Speaker 4: up eating a lot of paper. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 4: to eat paper.
Speaker 1: I pooped like a sultan anytime I ate those. I
Speaker 1: think papers so much.
Speaker 3: Spots are good because you're playing with them, and playing
Speaker 3: with your candy is important. Just like those plastic bottles
Speaker 3: that you would rip off the cap with your mouth
Speaker 3: and then some out the juice and then you would
Speaker 3: chew on the rest of the bottle.
Speaker 1: Those are cross because it's a wax and stuff. I
Speaker 1: like just bottle caps. The Yeah, that's gross.
Speaker 3: The Internet, my dude, Like making a cube out of
Speaker 3: candy wax was a big deal.
Speaker 4: No, give me the candy legos and then they break youth.
Speaker 4: But like you can actually build with those things.
Speaker 1: And build stuff. I mean I built a penis and
Speaker 1: then fucking went at it all the time. Should have
Speaker 1: my parents should have been noticing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dinner table, stop making those dick legos, our child,
Speaker 5: there's weirdos are hard with these.
Speaker 4: And then he doesn't have to play with the candy
Speaker 4: lego balls, does he? At the table?
Speaker 1: It was a very confusing time my life.
Speaker 3: He's gargling them.
Speaker 4: Little Mikey's at it the end.
Speaker 2: Take them away?
Speaker 1: What are those? You can get them at? Uh? I
Speaker 1: always see them at movie theater vending machines. They're so
Speaker 1: of like Runts, but they're smaller. There's like there's a peach,
Speaker 1: there's like a little blue raspberry cluster.
Speaker 4: They're basically runs nerds nerds clusters.
Speaker 1: No, Nerds clusters are awesome, but no, they were like
Speaker 1: a gen two of Runts where it's like a peach
Speaker 1: and a blue raspberry cluster. They might they might have
Speaker 1: been Runts that they added and they shrunk a bit
Speaker 1: and then added the peach too, because the peach is
Speaker 1: the best flavor and it's also the best fruit. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: look it up. Look up Runts peach or Runts blue raspberry.
Speaker 1: And I've seen them specifically. You get a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: I ate a lot of them when I worked at
Speaker 1: a movie theater. Oh what are these?
Speaker 2: F I googled peach runts and it was a weed shop.
Speaker 1: That sounds right? Are they fruit teas? Maybe they're really good?
Speaker 1: They're runts, but like flavor. Hmm.
Speaker 4: Okay, time I.
Speaker 3: Get something, it's asking me if I'm over eighteen before
Speaker 3: I can click.
Speaker 2: It's just like all weeds.
Speaker 1: So yes, what is the we have candy? Now? Me too?
Speaker 1: H Speaking of movies, I have you guys watched The Warriors? Ever? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well you watched it recently?
Speaker 4: No, it's been a decade plus. Yeah, I've been thinking
Speaker 4: about watching.
Speaker 1: We Re a Man and I both share a love
Speaker 1: for that movie, which is funny because she it was.
Speaker 1: It was a movie I had brought up. She goes
Speaker 1: to bed before me most nights, so I think about
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, she's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to bed. It's like a Thursday night. Like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch The Warriors. She's like, what is that?
Speaker 1: I was like a movie set in seventy nine New
Speaker 1: York gangs like theme gangs, but also very vibey. It's
Speaker 1: more about vibes than like a great storyline. It's like
Speaker 1: a retelling of the Iliad. But it's just like people
Speaker 1: getting from the Bronx to Coney Island cult classic rockstar
Speaker 1: me to She's like, this sounds cool. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think of it. So she's like,
Speaker 1: wait until tomorrow, we'll watch it. And we watched it,
Speaker 1: and I will se if you have not seen that movie,
Speaker 1: or if you have now watched in a while, front
Speaker 1: loaded homophobia is the best way to put it. Oh really,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a couple of f bombs.
Speaker 2: Ted around the time of the era.
Speaker 1: Gangs in New York. Like, sure, I guess whether you
Speaker 1: can stomach it. There's a lot of things playing into it,
Speaker 1: but it's like seventy nine. And also the guy who
Speaker 1: drops them James Remar, the actor, he was the Phantom.
Speaker 1: He's in Sex and the City, but he was Ajax
Speaker 1: in this movie. Again, it's all like, it's actually just
Speaker 1: inspired by Greek. It's a retelling of Greek story, so
Speaker 1: it's like Ajax and the Sirens and the Furies. But
Speaker 1: after that, there are a couple spots where it also
Speaker 1: gets very seventy nine Men's gang a bit weird with women.
Speaker 1: To put it, lightly. So it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you'll love this movie. We could try it out,
Speaker 1: and then Amanda loved it. Like not that it's without
Speaker 1: its problems, but that movie's soundtrack, the style of everything
Speaker 1: they cut away to these like two camera segments like
Speaker 1: you would with like an on stage. Like again, they've
Speaker 1: made no they've not tried to hide that it was
Speaker 1: inspired by like old school Greek theater, but they wanted
Speaker 1: to do like a modern take on it. Neon Lit.
Speaker 1: Joe Walsh from The Eagles does like several songs on
Speaker 1: the soundtrack that like when they finally get back to
Speaker 1: Cony and they're walking into the sunset on the beach,
Speaker 1: it's in the city. That's Joe Walsh who wrote it.
Speaker 4: Then I like Big Hilts by Joe Walsh. You know
Speaker 4: that's also in there.
Speaker 1: I think that it's hidden there somewhere. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: movie is still awesome classic, It's still really good. I
Speaker 1: never played the U the rock Star game. I know
Speaker 1: that was more of a beat him up.
Speaker 4: I reviewed it, it was I remember liking it. I
Speaker 4: think I probably gave you like an eight. It's just
Speaker 4: such a cool thing to exist, because that's what a
Speaker 4: rock Star thing that is to you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: we like this movie, let's make it like, well, we're
Speaker 4: playing a lot of ping pong, let's make a ping
Speaker 4: pong game. Well, we all like the Warriors, Let's make that.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I appreciate that I kind of
Speaker 4: missed that rock Star to be honest, as excited as
Speaker 4: I am for what they're doing now.
Speaker 3: But like the old cash Ground, but I mean I
Speaker 3: think it's like cash grab with heart, which.
Speaker 1: Is just not even a cash grab. I don't think
Speaker 1: that many people liked The Warriors back when they made
Speaker 1: that game. It's like it's like a passion project that
Speaker 1: I don't think was gonna make a lot of money.
Speaker 4: It was a weird thing when they announced it and
Speaker 4: they're like, what are you like, No, a lot of
Speaker 4: people hadn't really heard of it. It wasn't like they
Speaker 4: were doing like, oh, a Terminator game. It's like this
Speaker 4: kind of cult classic seventies. Yeah, it's it was a
Speaker 4: weird move in a cool way.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I overestimated how popular The Warriors was then
Speaker 3: because I thought, like everybody knows The Warriors for some reason,
Speaker 3: and it seems like it's a popular It.
Speaker 4: Has a couple of very iconic has the come out
Speaker 4: and Play and has the can you dig it? And
Speaker 4: it's like there's some very quotable moments and everyone remembers
Speaker 4: the like baseball guy gang and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 4: just it's a weird and memorable movie. But I feel
Speaker 4: like it's not one that it's definitely not like cult classic,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that they fucking like the The intro is
Speaker 1: just like bum boom, bump boom, and then it's them
Speaker 1: all like it shows every gang from around the city
Speaker 1: going up for the summit in the Bronx, and it's
Speaker 1: showing the themes of all the gangs, and some of
Speaker 1: them are were military gears. Some of them are like monks.
Speaker 1: Some of them are clear.
Speaker 3: You're the Monk gang. You better watch the fuck out
Speaker 3: because you're about to get monked.
Speaker 1: Some of them are clearly stereotypical Chinese people from Chinatown
Speaker 1: coming up. And I was like, oh, okay, And then
Speaker 1: and then I.
Speaker 3: Think it's going to have a content warning, Like it
Speaker 3: should have a content warning, like did you hear about
Speaker 3: what's going on with rush hour?
Speaker 1: It was a rush hour? Oh?
Speaker 3: Is it like a a content warning now when you
Speaker 3: start the film, because.
Speaker 1: We need a content warning for fire Escape every episode.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 3: Pictions, language and humor may seem outdated, but we are old.
Speaker 4: I mean I haven't seen Rush Hour since the theaters and
Speaker 4: that would not surprise me to all of it is
Speaker 4: not aged gracefully.
Speaker 1: No, it's just Chris Chris Tucker making fun of trying
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan and and by extension, all Asian, not just Chinese.
Speaker 4: Peep.
Speaker 1: Sure, because he intentionally complaining I want to give the
Speaker 1: movie flowers where flowers are due the fucking comeback or
Speaker 1: like the callback that Chris Tucker's character has. Uh, if
Speaker 1: you watch the Sopranos, you know the actors in both
Speaker 1: of them. He's the he's the dude who's in the
Speaker 1: nursing home and Junior later on. But he fights Chris
Speaker 1: Tucker early in the movie and he like beats it
Speaker 1: out of him. He says, wipe yourself, you're bleeding, and
Speaker 1: he throws him like a rag. And then later Chris
Speaker 1: Tucker kills him and throws a rag onto his dead
Speaker 1: body and says, wipe yourself, you're dead. It's that is
Speaker 1: very good. Yes, I'm sure the movie is not age well,
Speaker 1: but that line is whatever with me forever. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, there's so many of those one offs.
Speaker 1: And Tombstone another movie I showed him as everything that
Speaker 1: she had not seen. Another movie that there's like two
Speaker 1: women in that have like four lines. There's a trend
Speaker 1: with the movies I like guys.
Speaker 3: Past the bash Dell test. Also all the women are hooker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, one woman who was coming additional test.
Speaker 1: There's the home wrecker woman in Tombstone, and then there's
Speaker 1: the drugged up addicted to not Valley. What was the
Speaker 1: medicine they were all taking laudanum wife. Those are the
Speaker 1: two female yeah, and the one who's just like with
Speaker 1: val Kilmer. Also, his performance is Doc Holliday is incredible.
Speaker 1: The men in this movie were incredible, like specifically specifically
Speaker 1: the men.
Speaker 4: I uh. Last night with Bonk watched the movie that
Speaker 4: I think was also based on the Iliad and also
Speaker 4: failed the Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: It's Heads of State.
Speaker 4: It's the one where John cenas the President and Edris
Speaker 4: Elba is the Prime Minister of England and they're on
Speaker 4: Air Force one and Air Force one gets shot down
Speaker 4: over Belarus and they have to like fight terrorists together.
Speaker 1: Sounds cool, iliad because the iliad.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I was lying about that part. I was
Speaker 4: not lying about it. Probably not passing the Bechdel test
Speaker 4: because I can think of two women in the movie. Well, no,
Speaker 4: they don't talk to each other, but one of them
Speaker 4: like kicks ass, and that doesn't pass the Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: If a little just kicks ass, right, no, no mind yous? No?
Speaker 1: The wait would they would come on? Let's be realistic.
Speaker 4: There's the first Lady, and there's the first Lady, the
Speaker 4: Vice President and the ass kicker lady, but they're never
Speaker 4: in the same room.
Speaker 1: Well, the vice President and the first Lady are not
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the same room, So that checks out.
Speaker 1: We don't want one nuke to get the whole White House.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Now the first Lady cries because she thinks
Speaker 4: John Seen is dead, and then the vice president turns
Speaker 4: out not spoilers for heads of state. The vice president lady,
Speaker 4: Carla Gagino. It turns out it was just a big scheme.
Speaker 4: Carla Gugino's in this movie. Absolutely, she is the vice President. Yes,
Speaker 4: I've not seen her since since City.
Speaker 1: I think download now. She was in Haunting of hill House.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, real good if you know she know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty it looked a lot like her. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: had to be here.
Speaker 1: She's not talking to any women in the movies I
Speaker 1: watch with her in it.
Speaker 4: Yes, she does play the vice president and then she
Speaker 4: winds up being evil and she tries to usurp Johnson
Speaker 4: President Johnson.
Speaker 3: At least it passes the fucking whack off test that.
Speaker 1: Each She passed that test with flying colors many a year.
Speaker 1: I have also introduced Amna to Annihilation, which is one
Speaker 1: of her favorite. So I'm an ally because that movie
Speaker 1: is mainly women. That's it's only women talking to you, guys,
Speaker 1: get all.
Speaker 2: Done in one film.
Speaker 3: That way you can watch all your porne.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember Annihilation if any men talk to
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they talks to the other dudes in that
Speaker 1: squad where it's like, oh, Dan, I know you've been
Speaker 1: playing Expedition thirty three. When when you use the when
Speaker 1: you use the main characters, build up ability, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're using the hell's name, the main character, Robert Gradyucker,
Speaker 1: it's the one you build up to you get ten
Speaker 1: the overcharge, the overcharge, yeah, which he says, he says
Speaker 1: for those to come after. It's like that's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a line from like age and storytelling. But
Speaker 1: they say that several times in an Annihilation. It makes
Speaker 1: me think of Annihilation, which is very much about people
Speaker 1: going into an unknown area and leaving breadcrumbs for the
Speaker 1: people that come behind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the videotapes and stuff like that. Yeah, I could
Speaker 4: totally see.
Speaker 1: That, like the expedition the journals or whatever.
Speaker 6: But we'll talk about expeditiones.
Speaker 4: That movie is so fucking cool. That is one that
Speaker 4: like every moment I've thought about that since the first
Speaker 4: time I saw it, I've liked it more.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was like Bog and I both let that theater thing,
Speaker 4: like I think we both gave it four stars on
Speaker 4: a letterbox, and then a couple of years later we
Speaker 4: watched it again, we're like, oh, that's a five. That's
Speaker 4: a five, Like that is fucking a perfect movie.
Speaker 1: And fucking uh what what what studio was it that
Speaker 1: like fucking had a panic attack and lost their balls
Speaker 1: right before it went to theaters, or like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's going two weeks and then going straight to Hulu
Speaker 1: or whatever. Oh, because they thought they're like people won't
Speaker 1: get it and like it's not that much. I mean,
Speaker 1: yes it has, there's complex layers to it, but it's
Speaker 1: also just pretty cool on the surface, like it is.
Speaker 4: I don't think we really appreciate it and got all
Speaker 4: of it the first time, So I do think it's
Speaker 4: one that benefits from a second watch for sure, or.
Speaker 1: A fucking tenth. Yeah. I love it. It's amazing. Wished
Speaker 1: some more dudes in it. Yeah, it's the only thing.
Speaker 4: What it was like, Yeah, naked John Cena and Interselva
Speaker 4: going into.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's just John Cena being like they call
Speaker 1: it the Shimmer. That's my John c an annihilation. Pretty good.
Speaker 2: This is where it's a little speed up.
Speaker 1: This Isla in the Shimmer. Yeah, is it glowing like that?
Speaker 4: That was a lot better than I expected it to be.
Speaker 1: It's just British. Oh yeah. The Wires is still really
Speaker 1: good though, for all of its faults. Yeah, there there's
Speaker 1: a scene later on where let's say it has rape vibes,
Speaker 1: but then the scene has a twist to it. I
Speaker 1: mean it's fucking old movie. I could say Ajax John Remar.
Speaker 1: James Remar's character the whole movie is given off rape vibes,
Speaker 1: and you're like, are they just gonna keep lett him
Speaker 1: get away with this? And then they encounter he they're
Speaker 1: walking through Central Park when they're coming through back from
Speaker 1: the Bronx, and uh, he sees this woman just sitting
Speaker 1: weirdly on a park bench and he's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take care of his business and he hangs behind when
Speaker 1: they keep moving to get that meet everybody else at
Speaker 1: Union Square and then he's like coming on to this
Speaker 1: woman and she's like, she's flirting with him as well initially,
Speaker 1: but then he starts like making out with her pretty forwardly,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, no, I like, I like it rough.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh man, he's trying to rape her. And
Speaker 1: then it turns out she's an undercover cop, so they
Speaker 1: arrest him. And I was like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to feel about that scene.
Speaker 3: Does that only validate that that's what he was doing
Speaker 3: all those other times?
Speaker 1: Is that he like? But then he then he got arrested.
Speaker 1: I guess like that's the like, there's there's also the
Speaker 1: one gang the the Lizzies. It's the one all female
Speaker 1: gang and they say danced to the song love is
Speaker 1: a Fire, Love is a Fire, Love is a Fire.
Speaker 1: I think they wrote it for the movie and the
Speaker 1: I don't know if using iliad comparisons, they would be
Speaker 1: like the sirens that like lure the men away with
Speaker 1: their beauty and their the siren song. A warrior, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Corey Barlow was just watching the Warriors as he made
Speaker 1: She just stole as ideas from the Warriors. That's what
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 4: No, there was that time he had a kid and said,
Speaker 4: what if I made a game about being a dad.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's playing the Last of Us and watching the Warriors.
Speaker 1: And then I held h that's right, that's right. And
Speaker 1: they cried a lot about it. Yeah, but the words
Speaker 1: still good. Tombstone is still good, Annihilation's fine. Just too
Speaker 1: many women sound bite? Someone else? What else is that? Mary?
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about. Why the fuck you're in bikini bottom?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: You know you didn't want to reference my sick news setup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the audio listener, Mary's inside of tron and
Speaker 4: there's a pineapple that's sponges there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm at the Twitch offices for work and this is
Speaker 3: one of our streamer rooms and it's just, you know,
Speaker 3: an led nightmare in here. It's like crazy the amount
Speaker 3: of lighting that they've put into the background so that
Speaker 3: it looks cool.
Speaker 4: You have hexagons. I like hexagons.
Speaker 2: Kids love the hexagons.
Speaker 3: I don't expect, but like, this is what the kids like.
Speaker 4: Did you mean to say pentogon like mcgruber, Yeah, because
Speaker 4: there's actually only five sides max to any of them.
Speaker 1: No, those are hexagons. There's no closed off hexagon, is
Speaker 1: my point.
Speaker 4: Those I know, but it's it's like jazz the the hexagons.
Speaker 4: You don't play.
Speaker 1: A jazz wall. I met the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: A strange location, but oh I forgot.
Speaker 1: To email you or I forgot to tell you guys.
Speaker 1: So we'll be in Cape Cod in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: And uh, there's a one of the last or one
Speaker 1: of the last dozens of drive in theaters in the
Speaker 1: country is in well Fleet in Cape Cod, and a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago we went and we watched Top
Speaker 1: Gun Maverick there. It's fun. You pull the car up,
Speaker 1: you turn the radio on to the right station, you
Speaker 1: flip open some chairs, some mosquito spray, some drinks, and
Speaker 1: you're awesome. You're good to go. I emailed them like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I was like, Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: curious how much it would be to like to run
Speaker 1: a certain movie, and like, I know that they have
Speaker 1: like their own projectionists and there's a lot of complications
Speaker 1: and also a lot of other people in Cape Cod.
Speaker 1: I was gonna see if I could sort of get
Speaker 1: them to play mcgruber, but no, They're like that would
Speaker 1: require like a twenty or like a several thousand dollars buyout,
Speaker 1: and like, okay, I lost interest. But I think it's
Speaker 1: just Jaws, which is a good movie to watch at
Speaker 1: Cape Cod when you're swimming on beaches all week.
Speaker 4: It's a great movie. But I just want to say,
Speaker 4: if you want a bad enough, my buddy Ross did
Speaker 4: for his birthday rent out a theater here in Minnesota,
Speaker 4: and I have to play mcgoover, so be great.
Speaker 1: But this is drive in like sad Night. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're pretty well stocked with customers.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure the neighbors love hearing.
Speaker 3: Yeah that, uh that drive ins are so successful, because you.
Speaker 1: Know are I don't think they are. They're just I
Speaker 1: think they're like.
Speaker 3: Now, I think that they there's a nostalgia to them now,
Speaker 3: and the ones that I see are are doing great,
Speaker 3: but you know, there's not as many of them anymore,
Speaker 3: so they're kind of like clinging to this old timey
Speaker 3: vibe that you get to still, you know, bang out.
Speaker 1: While you want. I mean, they do those ones on
Speaker 1: like Governors that's what they did back in the day.
Speaker 1: They do they do the one on Governor's Island here.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a huge like sort of that
Speaker 1: they roll out for it. This is a built in.
Speaker 1: They've got the concession stand in the middle of the
Speaker 1: parking lot that you got to go to between the
Speaker 1: intermission between the movies.
Speaker 4: It's awesome, but I totally go it's fun. What do
Speaker 4: they do They rent out they used to rent out
Speaker 4: the thing.
Speaker 2: Do they get you speaker? Some of them?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you get there's little posts next in
Speaker 1: the parking spots with speakers, but half of them are broken,
Speaker 1: which adds to the charm. So you just turn They
Speaker 1: tell you what radio station to turn to so you
Speaker 1: can hear it in your car.
Speaker 3: But I feel like you could just keep moving the
Speaker 3: radio station over until you find the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the idea, So you can hear the movie,
Speaker 1: but you pay to get into the parking lot where
Speaker 1: you can see the movie screen. It's surrounded by trees,
Speaker 1: and then you have to pay to get into the
Speaker 1: parking lot.
Speaker 2: Could sit in a tree with the radio?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a Ham radio. Yeah. I don't think they're.
Speaker 4: Why don't even know what a hammer different? It seems
Speaker 4: want to ham, I like saying ham.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't enjoy my life.
Speaker 3: All right, So anyway, so any person could just climb
Speaker 3: a tree with a Ham radio and watch a free movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, they don't care for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're trying to keep those hooligans out.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're losing that much money on them.
Speaker 1: It's movies that have been out for a while.
Speaker 4: I definitely when I worked at the movie theater. Maybe
Speaker 4: it was after I quit, I stole one of the
Speaker 4: walkies that like in all the ushers and basically everyone
Speaker 4: working the head of the walkie talkies, and I would
Speaker 4: just park my car within range of the theater and
Speaker 4: just me and my friends just be like, oh it
Speaker 4: a couple of people fucking in theater fourteen and like
Speaker 4: just like what, I'm sorry? Repeat that, like, you know,
Speaker 4: just fuck with them. Yeah, cool, cool teenager stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna ask like,
Speaker 1: did you have nothing better to do than I was like,
Speaker 1: well I was neither did I When I.
Speaker 4: Was a teenage I never had anything better to do
Speaker 4: near day, Yeah, no, I used to. I'd bring the
Speaker 4: TV begone thing where it's like it was just a
Speaker 4: thing you could buy and it would cycle through remote
Speaker 4: control codes and just hit the power button and I
Speaker 4: would just go to like the theater where all of
Speaker 4: the menus at a certain point turned into just screams.
Speaker 4: They're just flat screens with popcorn prices and everything. And
Speaker 4: I would just sit there and like stealthily point it
Speaker 4: up there and just shut it all down, like all
Speaker 4: the TVs, so all the menus, all the prices, and
Speaker 4: just watch the chaos unfold. And uh yeah, that's that
Speaker 4: probably caused trouble. I would think I'd do that at bars,
Speaker 4: like sports bars like Buffalo Wild Wings, they're showing like
Speaker 4: sports stuff, like all the TV's are off. I really
Speaker 4: should have gotten my ass kicked a lot, is what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you're saving it all, but like when you
Speaker 3: hit like fifty, you'll get beaten to death.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 4: And if that happened, I think during the beating, I
Speaker 4: think this makes sense. I had a good run.
Speaker 1: Would scared me so much if I was beating someone
Speaker 1: to death and they're like, this makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I might be saying al and stuff too. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be like tough about it. I would be crying
Speaker 4: and screaming and get it. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been a long time coming.
Speaker 7: Deliver me to hate these Oh, God of responsibility.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It was Mike Manati and that's
Speaker 1: he just burked up here.
Speaker 2: That's how he goes.
Speaker 4: Oh, I can I tell a story that he told
Speaker 4: while we were on Blake Club today. I just need
Speaker 4: to hear your reactions to this. He said when he
Speaker 4: was younger, like mid two thousands or something, and Mike,
Speaker 4: I know you're listening. I'm sorry if I get any
Speaker 4: part of this wrong, but I don't think I will.
Speaker 4: There was a girl that he was into and he
Speaker 4: thought she was into him, and but at the time
Speaker 4: he didn't have a car. I don't think he got
Speaker 4: a license until like well into his twenties, so he
Speaker 4: needed rides places and on the day like, well into adulthood,
Speaker 4: you know, so I think this is an adult Mike Manatti.
Speaker 4: I think he said it was like whenever Chippendale Rescue
Speaker 4: Rangers came out on DVD, because.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I wouldn't call him an adult.
Speaker 4: Now he starts thirty eight, he said, thirty eight.
Speaker 1: I don't know when adulthood will kick in for him,
Speaker 1: but like I don't, let's say oh four.
Speaker 4: I think let's let's say oh four. That sounds right.
Speaker 4: And again, Mike, sorry if I got that wrong. And anyway,
Speaker 4: he went to go to best side because it was
Speaker 4: it was the day Chipendale Rescue Rangers came out on DVD,
Speaker 4: and so we had his friend, the girl who he
Speaker 4: thought there was something going on with, to pick him
Speaker 4: up and take him to get Rescue Rangers. And she
Speaker 4: played on loop on repeat that Bloodhound Gang song the
Speaker 4: You and Me Baby ain't nothing but mantals let's do
Speaker 4: it like they do like the least subtle hint in
Speaker 4: the world, playing the like hey, let's fuck song over
Speaker 4: and over, and he said, in his head, He's like,
Speaker 4: that's interesting. She keeps playing that anyway, Chi Chipandale and
Speaker 4: he was like super excited about watching Chippendale, so we
Speaker 4: went and picked it up. She went to like drop
Speaker 4: him off at home and he's like, well, see, yuah,
Speaker 4: it's just watched Chippindale.
Speaker 3: What a fun lady that was who helped take me
Speaker 3: to go get this DVD box set.
Speaker 4: I don't know why she kept playing the hey, let's
Speaker 4: fuck song on repeat.
Speaker 2: She must have been so frustrated.
Speaker 4: Oh, Mikey, I love that man all Mikey. Yeah, which
Speaker 4: fucks me up because I called you Mikey recently and
Speaker 4: you were like, what the fuck You've never called me
Speaker 4: Mike and was like, oh fuck, I've been hanging out
Speaker 4: with Mike Manatti too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe give he's a pure soul, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's like something good in that story of
Speaker 3: like never assuming intent of a lady and just being
Speaker 3: like she was the best anyway.
Speaker 4: He's a pure soul. But let's just be he is
Speaker 4: also supremely perverted.
Speaker 3: Well now, maybe it's like all that pent up energy
Speaker 3: just you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: Beaten to death one day.
Speaker 3: He's just gonna explode into semen because he never actually
Speaker 3: took advantage of any time.
Speaker 2: The fuck.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna come out every orifice. He's gotta blown.
Speaker 4: Love your mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be. That'll be. I hope I'm there. Actually,
Speaker 1: don't don't help. I'm there.
Speaker 2: You absolutely sick.
Speaker 1: If I chance to see someone explode into a mist
Speaker 1: of seamen, I would probably want to be there. And
Speaker 1: it's a scary movie scene. You know which scene?
Speaker 4: There a scene in scary movie where the guys, like
Speaker 4: the like virgin guy or something's like really worked up
Speaker 4: about having sex and he's about to be laid and
Speaker 4: the girls on top and he's like and he like
Speaker 4: like it cuts to the ceiling. I think the girl
Speaker 4: gets plastered to the ceiling with seamen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Reference to nightmare on Elm Street. I've never
Speaker 1: seen those.
Speaker 4: I don't know what. I've never seen him, Freddy, I've
Speaker 4: never seen it. Jason.
Speaker 1: I saw a number on Elm Street for the first
Speaker 1: time in a hotel in San Diego. The first time
Speaker 1: I ever had flown anywhere. See my brother come back
Speaker 1: from Iraq or wherever and uh or wherever it was wherever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Canada, Yeah, Canada, third to Montreal, third tour in Fiji.
Speaker 1: Uh. He saw some action in Bora Bora, Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but I was watching this.
Speaker 2: Two turtles going at it.
Speaker 1: I saw Nightmare on Elm Street and there's the one
Speaker 1: scene where he's like stabbing someone up to the ceiling,
Speaker 1: but then you go back into the real world outside
Speaker 1: of the dream and the person's getting dragged along the
Speaker 1: ceiling trailing blood but getting stabbed like over and over.
Speaker 1: It's fucked up.
Speaker 4: See these movies sound cool, Like I just remember the
Speaker 4: Simpsons with the groundskeeper Willie where it's the Halloween parody
Speaker 4: thing and thelastic. Yeah, like the idea of a guy
Speaker 4: who fucking me up in your dreams is great and terrifying.
Speaker 4: Like I guess I've just never seeked out horror, you know, and.
Speaker 1: No one wants to sleep, and no, they're trying to asleep,
Speaker 1: but then they like fall asleep and then they get killed.
Speaker 4: I think that's a really cool idea. I should watch those.
Speaker 1: Freddy was cool.
Speaker 2: He was funny.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's also important, so he spoilers is a
Speaker 3: child molester and the parents, detail guess, and they track
Speaker 3: him down and they kill him, and I think they
Speaker 3: like light the house on fire or something like that,
Speaker 3: and he's essentially.
Speaker 2: Like, I'll get them in there dreams and so like
Speaker 2: that's what he does.
Speaker 4: It's always going.
Speaker 2: After kids specifically.
Speaker 1: It's wow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Character the children of the parents that killed him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is like why he's specifically targeting these kids and
Speaker 3: he gets them in their dreams.
Speaker 4: Where all those times I've seen like people like kids
Speaker 4: and stuff being Freddy Krueger for Halloween, they're dressing up
Speaker 4: as a burnt child molester.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that one's overlooked.
Speaker 3: That's why I like always found Jason's story to be
Speaker 3: like so much more interesting because it's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Jason's mom was like she was the original killer,
Speaker 1: right that he like he like kind of took the
Speaker 1: throne so to speak.
Speaker 3: At Lake, he becomes the killer because he like assumes
Speaker 3: the lore like kind of like a campfire lore, and
Speaker 3: he became like it comes to life, and so.
Speaker 2: The children in him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was just he was just depressed and
Speaker 1: went on the killing spree.
Speaker 2: I could kill the teens that are banging. I think
Speaker 2: he's just a moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like fascinating video estays that whole that era
Speaker 1: of horror. The worst thing any of the teenagers could
Speaker 1: do that would get them marked for death was anything.
Speaker 4: That's what Screams whole deal was just playing on those tropes.
Speaker 4: You know. I like Scream a lot, Like I didn't
Speaker 4: see it until a few years ago, but like I
Speaker 4: hadn't seen any of this shit it's referencing. I just
Speaker 4: do think it's a good movie in its own right,
Speaker 4: Like I hadn't seen any of those classics Freddie Jason
Speaker 4: or anything. But I do remember were both of you there,
Speaker 4: maybe just Mike when Tim Turry on Halloween had to
Speaker 4: watch Halloween one and two. It was at the place
Speaker 4: you used to live with him, Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: you might have been there. Yeah, And I can really
Speaker 4: appreciate Halloween that because like John Carpenter is like that.
Speaker 4: That's how it got me in the door where TAM's like,
Speaker 4: it's John Carpenter, come on, it's gonna be great. And
Speaker 4: it was very good suburban horror.
Speaker 1: Like also like some of the shots when he gets
Speaker 1: into the houses, like also it's.
Speaker 3: Similar from the Guy It's scary.
Speaker 1: Similar to Jaws. Also, it's like those movies are also
Speaker 1: just good movies in their own right, aside from the
Speaker 1: horror bits. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis is awesome, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a reason they're lauded. But yeah, I feel.
Speaker 3: Like you can like Scream as much as you want
Speaker 3: because it is a good film in its own right,
Speaker 3: but I think watching the movies it's referencing will give
Speaker 3: you a better perspective of why it's very smart because
Speaker 3: of the tropes that it's playing on.
Speaker 2: Same with Scary Movie. You'll appreciate that movie more.
Speaker 1: In the Woods, yes, I like that, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a brilliant film too.
Speaker 3: But I think again, knowing the original is you know,
Speaker 3: what they're based off of, will give you like a
Speaker 3: deeper appreciation for what they're doing.
Speaker 4: But I think through osmosis, I think those tropes like
Speaker 4: you know, I knew, but like, oh don't split up.
Speaker 4: All these people have sex and they're gonna get killed.
Speaker 4: So it's like I was aware of the tropes enough
Speaker 4: to appreciate what Scream was doing with that.
Speaker 3: You know, dude, you sugarcoat ignorance like skittle. You are
Speaker 3: like just constantly like I this is actually a good
Speaker 3: thing that I don't.
Speaker 2: Have about that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm sure there's a deeper appreciation for Scream,
Speaker 4: but it's not like I was like, what are they
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, like I understood what they were referencing,
Speaker 4: Like horror.
Speaker 2: I get all these jokes just fine.
Speaker 1: There might be there might be one that proves me wrong.
Speaker 1: But I do think horror is the most self referential,
Speaker 1: self obsessed like niche. It's not a niche. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are into it. I fucking love it. Mary,
Speaker 1: you and I had a horror podcast. But yeah, horror
Speaker 1: is obsessed with itself as a genre, like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know that, Like I mean, everything is like
Speaker 1: same like uh, Mob movies also are, but not as
Speaker 1: on the nose about it, and Captain in the Woods
Speaker 1: is as on the nose as you get, which was
Speaker 1: great because of it. And I also think, I I
Speaker 1: still love Cabin in the Woods, but I don't think
Speaker 1: like westerns, I don't think that like sci fi can
Speaker 1: get I likely get self referential as well, but.
Speaker 4: It's certain directors like Tarantino, like all of his shit
Speaker 4: is references in movies about movies, you know, Wes.
Speaker 1: Anderson, same thing, pta same thing. I just think like
Speaker 1: horror is the most like uh literal about it, whereas
Speaker 1: like those directors like Greta Gerwig does a lot of
Speaker 1: it too, where it's like, you know, they they're clearly cinophiles.
Speaker 1: There's a reason that they became good directors because they've
Speaker 1: seen everything and they you know, they can't help but
Speaker 1: like reference stuff because movies built them as a person.
Speaker 1: But horror is like in the very script, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you get what we're referencing? Cabin in the Woods?
Speaker 1: Like every time I watch I still like it, but
Speaker 1: it's also like, oh wow, they really are just like
Speaker 1: going at it like with a hammer and I'm the now,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: Do you want about video games? Or do you have
Speaker 1: something to say? Mary? You your mouth is open.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about a horror movie I just watched,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if I love it. So it's
Speaker 3: twenty eight years later to like describe it. I haven't
Speaker 3: seen it.
Speaker 1: I did see that.
Speaker 4: I've not seen the previous two, but I saw years
Speaker 4: I've seen the previous two.
Speaker 2: What is your problem? This is literally what I just said.
Speaker 3: I just discussed this and how despicable it is. And
Speaker 3: you don't know any of the reference, but you're probably
Speaker 3: gonna be like, yeah, they hung mad Dong. It's like
Speaker 3: pretty sick film I think I got the gist of this.
Speaker 4: No, I fucking I asked many people like, if I
Speaker 4: haven't seen days or weeks, can I go and enjoy
Speaker 4: this never feeling like, No, it's anthology style. It's not
Speaker 4: based on like you know people to me, like, I
Speaker 4: just knew that there was a zombie thing in two
Speaker 4: thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, and like, you know who wrote it?
Speaker 4: Alex Carr No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it
Speaker 4: was yeah, you're out.
Speaker 1: To three and fucking u Tulci Gabbard.
Speaker 4: What's his name? No, it's a Tony Gilroy.
Speaker 1: Tony Gilroy, Honny Gilroy who did Maverick, Top Gun and
Speaker 1: Burn the Bourne movies and Robert ludlumon him. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Tony Gilroy was involved with some of those. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Alex Garland wrote twenty eight days later. Danny
Speaker 1: Boyle directed it. Danny Boyle attached to this at all. Yes,
Speaker 1: he directed it. Oh what did Tony Gilroy do produce? Right? Wrote? O? Wait?
Speaker 4: So did Alex Carland write?
Speaker 1: He wrote? Yes, so, Alex Garland wrote twenty eight days
Speaker 1: later and Sunshine. Danny Boyle directed both of those. I
Speaker 1: believe Alex Garland's directorial debut. Fuck, what was it? It
Speaker 1: would have been before Annihilation. I gotta look it up.
Speaker 4: Here's the answer, okay, written by Alex Garland twenty eight
Speaker 4: years later, directed by Danny Boyle. And then who's the
Speaker 4: other fellow we were talking about?
Speaker 1: Tony Gilroy Tony Gilroy, right, Alex Garland, and then Annihilation
Speaker 1: and then Men and then Civil War and then he
Speaker 1: did Warfare, which I gotta see Warfare.
Speaker 4: I want to see that too, but I'm waiting until
Speaker 4: it's like affordable on four K because I don't want
Speaker 4: to watch that streaming. I want to watch that full
Speaker 4: boom and.
Speaker 1: And it's like A twenty four is doing a movie
Speaker 1: about seals is intriguing because that does not seem up
Speaker 1: A twenty four as Alley. I've heard it's very good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same here. That's why I'm curious about it. I like
Speaker 1: A twenty four is always like impoverished people in this
Speaker 1: Florida housing project, or like gay people in Miami, or like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, it's a bunch of seals now, and
Speaker 1: I think Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: But it seems like it's done well. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 4: like that could be dicey territory but it seems like
Speaker 4: they handle it from whatever I've consulted on it without Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like people that were involved with like whatever that event was.
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight years later.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, I did.
Speaker 4: I thought I liked it more and more as it
Speaker 4: went when, because I don't like zombie stuff normally, I
Speaker 4: just find it boring. But I think by the end
Speaker 4: it did some really interesting stuff, and like Ray Fines
Speaker 4: is in, he's great.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I really want to see it.
Speaker 3: Twenty eight days Later is one of my favorite zombie
Speaker 3: films of all time.
Speaker 2: I just watched it two weeks ago and it still
Speaker 2: holds up.
Speaker 3: I would say it's probably slower than most people would
Speaker 3: want their zombie films by today's standards, but it's like
Speaker 3: the anticipation of what's going to happen that I think
Speaker 3: makes it so so successful, and I just think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen I really did not like twenty eight
Speaker 3: weeks later, which is the standard among most normal people,
Speaker 3: and twenty eight years later.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see it. I haven't had time yet.
Speaker 4: I would recommend it. I really, by the end liked it.
Speaker 1: Quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you've seen it before me, and you
Speaker 3: have zero appreciation.
Speaker 1: It's an anthology.
Speaker 2: You don't even like zombie films, you said.
Speaker 1: But I'm open minded and I'll go give.
Speaker 2: A shot serve the things that you have in your life.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's too my benefit that I
Speaker 4: am willing to try things that I thought I wouldn't like.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great that I don't know shit
Speaker 3: about the world and haven't I don't try.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like Job. I'm not gonna see
Speaker 4: that movie. Then I'm not.
Speaker 3: Gonna literally what you said about Mustard for the last
Speaker 3: three decades.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, and I learned about Mustard. It's
Speaker 4: it's beneficial.
Speaker 1: We can all agree that Dan is a hero and
Speaker 1: a great person for taking this long to be open
Speaker 1: minded and try new things.
Speaker 4: You don't I've been fighting under the ball riker jeans
Speaker 4: for a long time. It is real fucking hard to
Speaker 4: be open minded.
Speaker 1: Dan finally escaped the cut.
Speaker 2: Your grand dad, you're being a piece of ship. Nothing
Speaker 2: to do with what a piece of ship you are.
Speaker 2: You're your own piece of ship.
Speaker 1: I've always tried to be better.
Speaker 3: Mary, You're gonna be like that kind of person who's
Speaker 3: like so bad and then right on your deathbed you're
Speaker 3: like I'm so sorry, and then heaven. Yeah, I'm good now, I'm.
Speaker 4: I'm genuinely speaking about that. I went to Catholic school,
Speaker 4: so obviously I'm If there's one thing I'm terrified of,
Speaker 4: it's Hell, like the idea of like if that's real,
Speaker 4: it's like, wow, a place where like the worst shit
Speaker 4: that you I'm just in a in a plane having
Speaker 4: a dental surgery with the anesthesia for eternity. That's like
Speaker 4: the scariest thing I can ever think of.
Speaker 1: Bring it on, fucking who cares?
Speaker 3: But got my dick, devil, Yeah, come get this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it, devil my bitch.
Speaker 4: So I as a teenager who was still very afraid
Speaker 4: of the devil and hell and things like that. I
Speaker 4: wasn't like active life, was never actually going to church
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but I still like by default,
Speaker 4: believed in it because I lived in Kansas and went
Speaker 4: to Catholic school. I was working at McDonald's when I
Speaker 4: was fourteen, and somebody handed me like they paid at
Speaker 4: the window and then they gave me like a little pamphlet.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck is this? And I
Speaker 4: look at it and it was, uh, it was a
Speaker 4: little prayer thing and it said something about the lines
Speaker 4: of like make sure you say this prayer to absolve
Speaker 4: yourself of sins or whatever, and you'll go to heavy
Speaker 4: when you die. And for some fucking reason as a kid,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, sweet, okay, so no matter how much,
Speaker 4: Like I'm like fourteen, so I'm like whacking off crazy
Speaker 4: at the time, and I was like I was told
Speaker 4: that was like super sin and like I'm going to
Speaker 4: hell because I'm whacking off way too much. And it's like,
Speaker 4: but this lady McDonald's handed me a pamphlet and so
Speaker 4: if I'm about to die, I will just say this,
Speaker 4: like I accept Lord Jesus Christ into my Life's my
Speaker 4: Lord and savior, you know, absolved me of my blah blah.
Speaker 4: And I like that was so burned in my brain
Speaker 4: that like anytime just knee jerk reaction if there was
Speaker 4: like a car swerve on a highway or the turbulence
Speaker 4: or something, or every time I come it's just like,
Speaker 4: oh the Lord, accept the Lord and Savior. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's like I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 4: I'll be clear for if that's the case, Angels.
Speaker 1: I don't with you.
Speaker 3: They're all like, no, don't check in on him every
Speaker 3: time he does that prayer.
Speaker 2: Do not go in.
Speaker 4: There, Mike said, the coming thing. I just do it
Speaker 4: when I'm about to die.
Speaker 1: I live long since since, stop praying when I'm jaying it.
Speaker 4: It was only because I was a good I was
Speaker 4: a good Christian boy. So I wouldn't whack off on
Speaker 4: Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: Or Eastern Those are the only two days I really would.
Speaker 4: I would be like and I would like have to
Speaker 4: like talk myself up as a kid to be like.
Speaker 4: Christmas Eve, I'm laying in bed, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: after midnight, I can't be whacking off.
Speaker 2: You had to get yourself county to.
Speaker 1: Not jack off the next day. I was fourteen, sir,
Speaker 1: it's fucking Saturday before Eastern. Dan's in church just like, no,
Speaker 1: he's about to be resurrected.
Speaker 4: He's in the tomb right now.
Speaker 1: Edward forty hands, his mouth's like what the fuck? He
Speaker 1: ends up just like, but.
Speaker 4: Just rub these together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his dick was pinched off by two for days
Speaker 1: of cold forty five. All right, way to go, that'd
Speaker 1: be great, bleed out of your dick.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I got to haven't think covered
Speaker 4: if that's real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys watch my vibiams now, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We don't have to. But we never talked about the
Speaker 2: film that I know why we pose it. We were like, oh,
Speaker 2: looks like Mary has something to.
Speaker 3: Say, and I said, yeah, I watched a horror movie,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if it's very good.
Speaker 1: And then twenty eight years later another.
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight minutes talking about a horror movie that
Speaker 3: Dan doesn't know shit about, but kind of like.
Speaker 1: No, we're here, we're here. What is the movie?
Speaker 2: I'm still making fun of you? Ignoring me?
Speaker 4: Right, you're making fun of mine.
Speaker 1: There's a difference between ignoring and interrupting and willfully the
Speaker 1: worst redirecting you.
Speaker 4: What is the movie you are?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Ally, you didn't stand up.
Speaker 1: For me there, Mary? You know what? You know what
Speaker 1: show has never been?
Speaker 2: It's just you shaying it for like the last ten minutes.
Speaker 1: You know what show has never passed the backdel test virus?
Speaker 2: This one?
Speaker 4: Wow, I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: What is the movie you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: I got to get a woman to report place one
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the Yeah, what's the movie? Go?
Speaker 2: Okay? So what I was gonna say before?
Speaker 4: I was wagging off on Christmas?
Speaker 1: No you weren't. You better not have been? No, No, no
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was sorry. Sorry, sorry, Mike, you're gonna
Speaker 1: say something. I was jade and a Halloween wearing a
Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger costume. I still have no clue. What shut up?
Speaker 4: Mary's trying to say something.
Speaker 1: Long finger, extra long, wolverine blades, just chopping my dee up.
Speaker 1: Fucking Julian, this Freddy just stabbing my dick over and over.
Speaker 1: Do you want candy? What are you doing on our porch?
Speaker 1: That's talk? What do you say to the cops when
Speaker 1: you call them? There's a child's paying Olympics sing himself
Speaker 1: on our porch? Do I give him a fucking Hershey's bar?
Speaker 1: What does he need? I think we need an ambulance.
Speaker 1: He's got a sweater on and he's married.
Speaker 4: Do you see how respectful and quiet on?
Speaker 1: He's pretty burnt up?
Speaker 4: Bad?
Speaker 2: Stop trying to be an ally.
Speaker 4: I'm Mary, Mike. Let Mary talk hello?
Speaker 2: Please only doing for the validation this dick.
Speaker 1: His dick is cut in half. Pretty bad he just
Speaker 1: exploded into a mist of com I guess he's gone.
Speaker 1: Never mind, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Brought to you by A twenty four.
Speaker 1: What have you seen?
Speaker 2: Both of you? It's another movie from A twenty four.
Speaker 2: It's called Talk to Me.
Speaker 1: Really these days, damn it.
Speaker 3: It's A twenty four's highest grossing film, so it's really small.
Speaker 2: Talk to Me. It's a high g.
Speaker 3: I think it's made in Australia because everybody has Australian accents.
Speaker 2: I assume it is. It's an interesting concept, so I'll
Speaker 2: do my best to tldr it.
Speaker 3: The concept is is there is like a disembodied hand
Speaker 3: that these like high schooler kids have gotten their hands on,
Speaker 3: and they understand the system. You like, light a candle,
Speaker 3: and when you touch this disembodied hand, a dead person
Speaker 3: will appear in front of you.
Speaker 2: And if you say I let you.
Speaker 3: In, then the dead person goes into your body and
Speaker 3: is you for like as long as they let you
Speaker 3: is the dead person not always, but like they might
Speaker 3: not be a good person. Some people are dead because
Speaker 3: of an accident. Well, so the reason the kids like
Speaker 3: doing it is kind of like almost like a high.
Speaker 3: They like doing it because when somebody enters you. It's
Speaker 3: like a crazy feeling that you're not yourself and like
Speaker 3: a dead person got to like be in your body.
Speaker 2: Is that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But then all the kids use their phone to like
Speaker 3: film what happens because they sometimes say or do crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: Because they are conscious of what their body's doing during they.
Speaker 3: Don't know they don't know during the possession what's happening,
Speaker 3: but they have like crazy vibes and feelings. But you
Speaker 3: have to get out within like sixty to ninety seconds
Speaker 3: or the person who's in your body wants to stay,
Speaker 3: and then there's like an incident where essentially, like you know,
Speaker 3: you could kind of see where it's going, but like
Speaker 3: if you don't get the person out in time, then
Speaker 3: the person that the dead person wants to stay in
Speaker 3: the body and it causes all these crazy complications. I
Speaker 3: actually think it's quite good, but I will preface this
Speaker 3: with a low budget, so like don't go into this
Speaker 3: expecting like really cool graph It's mostly like dialogue and
Speaker 3: just kind of creepy conceptual things that's happening. But it's
Speaker 3: all you know, students are you know, kids in school
Speaker 3: that are going through this like super traumatic crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a neat concept, and I like
Speaker 3: the way it was executed. But I also think, like,
Speaker 3: if you're one of those people that are like, don't
Speaker 3: go in there, you'll die, you'll hate this film because
Speaker 3: it's it's high school kids, so they make nothing but
Speaker 3: terrible decisions.
Speaker 2: This entire film.
Speaker 3: All they do is make awful, awful choices, So you
Speaker 3: have to go into it being like, these kids are dumb.
Speaker 2: They'll probably all die. Like I'm not going to stress
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: I I like getting recommendations from you, Mary, because I
Speaker 4: feel like you have not really missed. And the latest
Speaker 4: one that we took you up on was Barbarian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was so much better than this. I'm
Speaker 2: a little worried. I can't live that up.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is I actually when this movie
Speaker 3: was over, I was like I didn't like it, and
Speaker 3: then I slept on it and I was like, it's
Speaker 3: it's actually not that bad. But I don't want to
Speaker 3: overhype this at all. This is no Barbarian. This is
Speaker 3: this is a low budget Let me try and preface
Speaker 3: this is like an indie game equivalent. This is low
Speaker 3: budget student not student grade, but like lower quality film
Speaker 3: with student act like you know, young teen actors that
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, not too shabby, but I don't
Speaker 3: think it's that good.
Speaker 2: So I'm a little worried.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're gonna see this and be like Mary,
Speaker 2: that was not I.
Speaker 4: Feel like you've couched it properly. I feel like you
Speaker 4: built up quite a bit, but then you sold.
Speaker 3: I feel so strongly about Barbarian. I mean, like, I
Speaker 3: think the movies just kind of dumb. I I really
Speaker 3: do like watching horror movies. I watch them all the time,
Speaker 3: and I feel like I would like to do like
Speaker 3: a maybe, Mike, that's something we do a bonus of
Speaker 3: of like top like you know, fifty or one hundred
Speaker 3: horror movies. Because I've seen so many now, I have
Speaker 3: gotten quite finicky with what I think is like the
Speaker 3: quintessential horror films that everyone has to see. Now with
Speaker 3: Halloween a coming, which I know that probably sounds insane
Speaker 3: because it's like July, but this is actually the time
Speaker 3: when I start thinking about my Halloween costume because they
Speaker 3: usually take about three months to build, So like, I
Speaker 3: don't fuck around, like I have to start thinking about
Speaker 3: it now.
Speaker 1: Uh. The Barbarian directors' new movie is coming out in like.
Speaker 4: Zach krecor webone again.
Speaker 1: It's that trailer where all those like kids are oh
Speaker 1: like like running out where like, yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 3: The anime I'm so excited about Naruto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm seeing there's some are there early reviews out weapons.
Speaker 3: Gregor August eighth, it's coming out, so it's such a
Speaker 3: creepy trailer.
Speaker 2: They I'll tell you what that and Barbarian.
Speaker 3: They know how to make a trailer because it was
Speaker 3: so brilliant about the Barbarian trailer.
Speaker 2: Now, Dan, did you see.
Speaker 4: You were so adamant not Yeah I did. After the
Speaker 4: fact I watched it, it was like, oh, that's really good.
Speaker 3: It's a brilliant trailer because they resturrect you like she's
Speaker 3: it's it's like a scene where she's like, oh, something's
Speaker 3: wrong and the guy's like there's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong,
Speaker 3: and you're like that guy's bad.
Speaker 2: It's all misdirection.
Speaker 4: It's like there's also the trailer where they're like justin
Speaker 4: Long's new movie, like a couplets that is so risky
Speaker 4: like that I respect that so much because, like you know,
Speaker 4: marketing people at any fucking big movie company have got
Speaker 4: to be like, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna like.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to show the monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't.
Speaker 4: So like whoever, whatever battles they fought to make sure
Speaker 4: they like hid what that movie was good on them,
Speaker 4: Like that's fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: I think in the horror genre, at least it is
Speaker 3: understood that you don't you don't actually want to show
Speaker 3: the the bad thing, like it's it's a Jaws, that's
Speaker 3: Jaws rules, where it's like, you know, we don't see
Speaker 3: it for half the movie, ye don't see it. You know,
Speaker 3: you got to build the anticipation and the fear and
Speaker 3: the concerns and.
Speaker 2: All that stuff. So yeah, I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be it's gonna be a good
Speaker 3: Q three of scary movies.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: One battle after another. Paul Thomas Anderson's new movie. We've
Speaker 1: seen the trailer for that. Uh no, it's based on Uh,
Speaker 1: I forget who wrote the book, but uh Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: It's like this rebel sect that's rising up during a
Speaker 1: revolution Benicio del Toro. But watch the trailer Leo is
Speaker 1: just the biggest slob ever.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah he should.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's on his way. The last couple of films
Speaker 3: he's been and I'm like, you do this did not
Speaker 3: do well for you. Like, he's obviously a very cute man,
Speaker 3: but at some point they've really, they've really let himself go.
Speaker 3: I saw Killers of the Flower Moon finally on an
Speaker 3: airplane because I had I had like eight booblous hours
Speaker 3: to kill and I was like, I might as well
Speaker 3: watch this film.
Speaker 2: And it is so so long, and.
Speaker 4: It's one of the only times I think I've fallen
Speaker 4: asleep in a movie.
Speaker 3: It's unnecessarily long. I think it really insists on itself.
Speaker 3: But holy shit, they it insists upon itself. Leonardo DiCaprio,
Speaker 3: they like, at no point were like, no, he doesn't
Speaker 3: need to look good in this, Like they just make
Speaker 3: him look like a piece of shit the entire film.
Speaker 2: And I I respect that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look up the tra for one battle after another. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the Killer's the Flower Moon. We went to the Alamo
Speaker 1: in fight. I here in New York and my Amanda
Speaker 1: and my friends and my friend they both fell asleep,
Speaker 1: So me and my buddy, my friend's wife or sorry,
Speaker 1: my friend's husband were awake and we had just ordered
Speaker 1: four espresso Martiniz to all stay awake, So me and
Speaker 1: him had to end up drinking to a piece and
Speaker 1: I still fell asleep during that movie.
Speaker 4: It's like me and Mike seeing Rambo five and getting
Speaker 4: too many white cloths, like spilling it all over each.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because that was fucking wow. Let's let's move
Speaker 1: from my opinions about Rambo five. No, it's awesome.
Speaker 4: The thing I'm curious about is he brought up Leo
Speaker 4: and A twenty four and reminded you I heard of
Speaker 4: this new Scorsese movie he's making.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like a good Fella.
Speaker 4: Style thing with like it's about this real life mob
Speaker 4: boss that was in Hawaii and it's Leo and then
Speaker 4: the is gonna play the mob boss in this Scorsese movie.
Speaker 4: He especially the super charismatic mob boss, and like Rock,
Speaker 4: like I'm seeing it happen like right now. Where the
Speaker 4: Rock was doing his big kind of like action movie thing,
Speaker 4: he's trying to be the new Arnold doing is you know,
Speaker 4: rundowns and walking talls and all that and fast fives
Speaker 4: and all that shit. And then he that kind of
Speaker 4: stalled out. You know, it seems like that Black Adam
Speaker 4: thing really damaged his reputation in Hollywood. And he has
Speaker 4: like numerous projects in the works right now that are
Speaker 4: all like clearly like a determined career swing where it's
Speaker 4: an A twenty four movie by this one of the
Speaker 4: safties I think it's Benny Safty. Oh where the UFC
Speaker 4: thing where he plays that UFC guy. He looks fucking
Speaker 4: crazy and it's him and Emily Blunt and the trailer
Speaker 4: and like he looks nuts and it's clearly like a
Speaker 4: real movie, like an A twenty four thing. There's this
Speaker 4: Scorsese thing where he's gonna be this mob boss and
Speaker 4: there was Oh, it's a Darren Aronofsky movie. So he's
Speaker 4: gonna and Darren Aronofsky's the movie he's sitting like the
Speaker 4: late nineties. He's gonna be this like charismatic kind of
Speaker 4: like you know, Tony Robbins guru type or whatever. So
Speaker 4: it's like I'm curious how he does. Like, can you
Speaker 4: guys picture the rock as people are wrestling people, so
Speaker 4: you're not tainted by the wrestling aspect.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I've seen enough of it. I think
Speaker 1: he's got that star power, like not the star power,
Speaker 1: I think he's got the acting shops where it's like
Speaker 1: I feel like Batista was also kind of did this
Speaker 1: not well.
Speaker 4: But he's started with that, you know. I mean, but
Speaker 4: he's a did like Guardians and stuff like that. But
Speaker 4: like Batista was like doing really thoughtful twenty forty nine.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He was like moving away from the rocks lane.
Speaker 3: I think Batista also like did I think he like
Speaker 3: earned a little bit more of his chops by doing
Speaker 3: like more humble roles, whereas like I've I've kind of
Speaker 3: gotten a little sour on uh, Dwayne Johnson just because
Speaker 3: I feel like he's taking himself much more seriously. I
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen anything where I'm like, now, this
Speaker 3: is acting. It's usually the same goddamn goop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like charismatic Smiley, you know, Blockbuster guy. That's why
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, like, with three like kind of artsy, big
Speaker 4: name movies coming up, I wonder if he will do
Speaker 4: this pivot successfully. I'm very very curious to watch this.
Speaker 1: I don't know that all three of those directors and
Speaker 1: I've said my Peet. When Drew was here, Daniel rout
Speaker 1: I talked about how I think Darren Aronowski makes a
Speaker 1: lot of shitty movies. I don't know that Scorsese and
Speaker 1: what would whether it's Benny or I forget Ben's brother's name,
Speaker 1: every one of his I don't know that they would
Speaker 1: have like cast him just because he's trying to make
Speaker 1: this pivot, like he must have shown something or like.
Speaker 4: Clear he's extremely talented, he's insane, and like you're talking
Speaker 4: about Batista being humble, like Rock is the least humble
Speaker 4: guy in the world. But like, yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 4: I do think he might have the chops like Mike
Speaker 4: to what you were saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I see it, I want to think, like
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler would have been good in uh Punch for
Speaker 1: people Safty Brothers.
Speaker 3: Again, I would prefer them to take the risk, even
Speaker 3: fail and be like, Wow, they tried something outside of
Speaker 3: their wheelhouse. Then be like the same one trick pony
Speaker 3: their whole career. So like, good on him for putting
Speaker 3: in the energy and earning it. I just haven't seen,
Speaker 3: I haven't been validated yet that like they actually can't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: I think we were robbed of you broughtut a Sandler
Speaker 4: and how he made the turn and punched drunk and uncut.
Speaker 4: I think there was a world where if Chris Farley
Speaker 4: had survived. I think that man was so unbelievably talented
Speaker 4: and charismatic that we could have seen a Sandler ask
Speaker 4: like Chris Farley could win an Oscar if he had survived.
Speaker 4: I think like that guy was just a ball of
Speaker 4: chrisma and entertainment. But I think he would also have
Speaker 4: like a darker side you could tap into and be
Speaker 4: very very good at.
Speaker 1: You know. I wonder if he would have had all
Speaker 1: that if he wasn't living the way he was though.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, so I don't know him and John Belushi.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Norm, Norm could have won an Oscar.
Speaker 1: What an actor? Yeah he's amazing. And what the fuck
Speaker 1: funny bit? What is it called funny bit?
Speaker 4: Which one?
Speaker 1: Funny people? No funny business? What's the one where dirty work?
Speaker 1: Dirty work? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dirty work screwed? And yeah he's the worst actor
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 1: He's in Billy Madison too.
Speaker 4: Briefly, Sandler gets his friends paid for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, you want to talk about video games? Yabe.
Speaker 1: All right. Uh, if you follow Giant b on you
Speaker 1: probably know Dan. You have taken the turn and started
Speaker 1: playing Claire Obscurity Exhibition thirty three. Fill the fire escape
Speaker 1: people in. What are your thoughts? How far are you
Speaker 1: before you had? I not played any of it last
Speaker 1: time we talked expedansion, So is that a is that
Speaker 1: a series or was it just one?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, it was just one stream. But you're playing in
Speaker 1: your free time the whole game.
Speaker 4: So if you're worried about spoil, I'm gonna talk generally
Speaker 4: about where I'm at in the game. So mute.
Speaker 1: If you need to have you both beat it.
Speaker 4: Uh, No, I forget. I forget again. I forget everything
Speaker 4: we ever talk about. No, are you both into it?
Speaker 1: I talked to a friend and apparently I'm like two
Speaker 1: hours from the end.
Speaker 3: I treat death stranding like you treat j RPGs death
Speaker 3: stranding disrespectfully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's primed to wow death strand attack death Stranding
Speaker 1: to expression thirty three. I love it.
Speaker 4: I'm going up to the Patress's heart. Oh okay, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm like at the monolith, so.
Speaker 1: You're yeah, so like five sixths of the way through, probably.
Speaker 4: It feels like I'm yeah closed, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah. Okay, so you you mad? You covered some ground,
Speaker 1: You're not far behind me.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, Mary, what's your uh status on that status?
Speaker 2: On the game?
Speaker 4: Are you playing thirty three?
Speaker 3: I'm actively I haven't played it at least in two weeks,
Speaker 3: so I haven't played it in a while.
Speaker 1: I'd love how you first started the sentence, I'm actively well,
Speaker 1: I haven't played in two weeks.
Speaker 3: Active in the sense that I haven't quit, and I
Speaker 3: would traveling a lot. You'll notice that all of my
Speaker 3: games are games that you can play on a Steam
Speaker 3: deck or phone.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with a bit of the beginning of this year.
Speaker 3: I've just been traveling so much. But I do I have,
Speaker 3: I am, I haven't quit yet, I like would like
Speaker 3: to complete the game.
Speaker 4: So let's do this. Let's do oh cat debut here,
Speaker 4: Let's do a fuse. Let's bring the fuse. Let's dust
Speaker 4: it off for where we are right now. If the
Speaker 4: game ended right where we're at, I'll start. I think
Speaker 4: I would give this a nine.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, if you had, if you had, if you
Speaker 1: had asked me an hour two hours prior in the game,
Speaker 1: I would have been a nine, I will say, and
Speaker 1: this is uh hmm, this is tough. It's one of
Speaker 1: those games. Once you see where the ending is going,
Speaker 1: or you think it's going, it's hard to give an
Speaker 1: opinion on it. Like your opinion itself almost kind of
Speaker 1: spoils stuff at the end. Okay, well, then try lightly.
Speaker 1: That means just assume I was at the same point
Speaker 1: in the game as you. I would have probably also
Speaker 1: said nine.
Speaker 4: Okay, So basically, something happens and you're less.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think once the ending kicks in the gear
Speaker 1: and maybe something completely reverses again, but once you see
Speaker 1: the turn they take, I'm like, ah, not my cup
Speaker 1: of tea.
Speaker 4: Well put it this way. If it's a story based thing, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's not much. Like they could just shit their pants
Speaker 4: on credits and I would like still give us a nine.
Speaker 4: Like I like the story. I'm more invested in the
Speaker 4: story than I certainly expected to be, but like, just
Speaker 4: the moment to moment has been so fun. I don't
Speaker 4: think any narrative thing could hurt my opinion at this point.
Speaker 3: I feel like right now I'm at a seven. And
Speaker 3: that's really mostly because despite the fact that Mike you
Speaker 3: described the combat system really well when you were playing it.
Speaker 3: It's very intricate. But for me, I just don't care
Speaker 3: about stances and like the learning a different combat person
Speaker 3: for each I think it's a bit too concluded. This
Speaker 3: is a personal subjective opinion. I think the game is
Speaker 3: probably excellent for what it is. These are just not
Speaker 3: games I usually play. And I'm like, God, damn it,
Speaker 3: do I have to like memorize each system and like
Speaker 3: use the same system of lighting them on fire and
Speaker 3: then using this girl because she does more damage when
Speaker 3: they're on fire, and then using this guy because he's
Speaker 3: at his tenth hit so he can do like the
Speaker 3: super damage whatever. And it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think what I'm saying is is I think the
Speaker 3: game is very good. I just don't think the game
Speaker 3: is Generally, these types of games are not for me.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's that's how I typically have been with the turn
Speaker 4: based RPGs. But like that the snappiness of the combat
Speaker 4: and just how good those counters feel, and something like
Speaker 4: the counters.
Speaker 1: I do like systems too.
Speaker 4: Like the thing I don't like in turn based RPGs
Speaker 4: is just feeling like I'm selecting something from a menu
Speaker 4: and then I just watch something. I don't feel like
Speaker 4: I'm planning a game. I'm just Oh, I picked the thing,
Speaker 4: and now I watch it.
Speaker 3: You have to be active because to do the damage correctly,
Speaker 3: you have to hit the button at the.
Speaker 2: Exact right time. Plus you have to be ready for counters. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I love like I have not dodged a
Speaker 4: single fucking time past the tutorial. I perry every I
Speaker 4: don't hit it every time.
Speaker 1: I hit a lot sometimes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah the jump thing in the yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I never die.
Speaker 1: Never ever. Love. You kill an enemy with one of those,
Speaker 1: like you jump and then fucking blast them and then
Speaker 1: the sun they all hit. Yeah, so fucking good.
Speaker 4: But I actually like the systems stuff because like I
Speaker 4: do can like the systems. It's not a game. It's
Speaker 4: not a game system in the way like an action
Speaker 4: game has like a Devil may Cry. I'm not, like,
Speaker 4: you know, do an active battle. But the systems do
Speaker 4: make me think like, okay, so I need to get
Speaker 4: my l in virtuoso stands. I need to do every
Speaker 4: possible Illuminia, what's that.
Speaker 1: Fucking If you build her correctly and you can keep
Speaker 1: her sorry continue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh I know, because like I'm trying to
Speaker 4: find ways like all of the stuff. Whenever there's new skills,
Speaker 4: anything that like keeps your in Virtuoso stands longer or
Speaker 4: illumina is that kind of help that or whatever. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 4: so like the fire damage and mark is great on her,
Speaker 4: So I'll give these guys more stuff that cause burn
Speaker 4: and marking, and then I'll try to set it up
Speaker 4: so there before her.
Speaker 1: Its like I love that shit. It's like a logic puzzle,
Speaker 1: Like I think it is great, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: one of those games where I don't know, I'm in
Speaker 1: the shower. I'm like, oh fuck, I wonder if combining
Speaker 1: those two would help would like work, But I got
Speaker 1: Mile to basically, and I kind of I will. I
Speaker 1: love how they let you break the game. It's almost
Speaker 1: like Blatro esque in the way they're like, if you
Speaker 1: figure out how to break it, we're not going to
Speaker 1: stop you, even against major bosses. So Mile basically yeah
Speaker 1: you like yeah, Mary, like I I somewhat agree for sure, Like,
Speaker 1: especially every single character I think I said this last
Speaker 1: time feels like they're pulled from a different RPG because
Speaker 1: their systems how they work are so different, and it's
Speaker 1: funny to me, Gustav is so boring compared to everybody
Speaker 1: else his combat, Like it's fun it's dumb. It's like
Speaker 1: build up, build up until this like huge, uh, like
Speaker 1: all out of there, and like there are obviously intricacies
Speaker 1: to that, but miles like I got her set up,
Speaker 1: so I use the there's the ability where she can
Speaker 1: pass her turn basically to remain in the same stance,
Speaker 1: but also build up automatically three AP. But then there's
Speaker 1: another one where yees, if she hits a marked target,
Speaker 1: she'll gain three AP and stay in the same stance.
Speaker 1: So if I have not gotten the chance to do
Speaker 1: a mark target yet, then it won't matter. However, I
Speaker 1: started building up what's the mage's the elemental mage's name Lune.
Speaker 1: I build up her speed so much too, and also
Speaker 1: I use the luminae where she always goes first, so
Speaker 1: she's basically marking everybody, setting everybody on fire. And then
Speaker 1: by the time it gets to myle who's still in
Speaker 1: virtuosa stance, she does passe and a passe is the
Speaker 1: one the sword comes out of the ground, stabs them
Speaker 1: in their asshole. Basically.
Speaker 4: Oh, so that's the one that's normally five, but then
Speaker 4: it's two when you're in virtuosa, Right, that's the one
Speaker 4: I always build towards it.
Speaker 1: It sucks everything ups, but and then if you build
Speaker 1: it up to you can again. You can build up
Speaker 1: three if you just pass your turn, and it'll keep
Speaker 1: her in the stance she was in. Oh yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 1: I forget what it's called. But yeah, the the synergies
Speaker 1: between the characters are great. I also really really like
Speaker 1: how you can realize halfway through a battle that you're
Speaker 1: under leveled. Yes, but you could still pull it off
Speaker 1: because if you use the real time elements correctly. But
Speaker 1: but there's certain fights I will say, I think it
Speaker 1: was halfway through the game when you start fighting, uh,
Speaker 1: what were their names? The Something Maiden, the ones who
Speaker 1: stab themselves in the stomach to gain.
Speaker 4: The oh, the the they get like six armor.
Speaker 1: Yes, and if you you have to jump to dodge
Speaker 1: the swipe, and then if.
Speaker 4: The third one you can block, block and then jump.
Speaker 1: I think something like No, there's one where they stab
Speaker 1: themselves and they pull it out and just swipe and
Speaker 1: you jump. I've never tried jumping. So if you what
Speaker 1: happens if you Harriet does one character counter attack, it
Speaker 1: just acts like a normal Perry, like any other perry,
Speaker 1: which is one you don't take, you don't take damage.
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, so that's what's cool. If you jump,
Speaker 1: if you do the jump and R two, yeah, all
Speaker 1: three of them will hit them. It'll count as three
Speaker 1: hits and they'll lose three shields. Oh that's it. And
Speaker 1: I learned that on accident because at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of how I can explain this
Speaker 1: because I realize I'm like, oh fuck, I actually stand
Speaker 1: to benefit more from not attacking them right now. What
Speaker 1: was it? Oh? Okay, so I realized, okay, I'm about
Speaker 1: to hit them. They have on one shield left right now.
Speaker 1: I know they're about to do the stab themselves in
Speaker 1: the stomach and swipe, so they'll have four shields. And
Speaker 1: if I were to attack right now with Mile, Mile
Speaker 1: doesn't have that many multi hit moves. She has several.
Speaker 1: She's got the one that does fire damage or whatever,
Speaker 1: and that's like two or three hits. But the fourth
Speaker 1: character you get, she has a lot of multi hit attacks.
Speaker 1: So if I use that ability of Miles to just
Speaker 1: gain three AP and not even hit the maiden, and
Speaker 1: I'll stay in virtuoso. They'll all jump counter attack, that'll lose.
Speaker 1: That'll basically almost cancel out the stab themselves in the
Speaker 1: stomach attack because they'll do three armor damage. My next
Speaker 1: character will then do her like four move attack, the
Speaker 1: armor will be gone, Miles primed to just assassinate them
Speaker 1: with puss. So it's like, oh, I actually stand to
Speaker 1: benefit more from not just all out normal attacking them
Speaker 1: right now, because otherwise I'm wasting myles stance and AP
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So I'm going to bide her time use
Speaker 1: my character that's got the double edged Darth maul sythe
Speaker 1: who can do more armor damage one way.
Speaker 4: Like that's my party is like say the names, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I do, Verso cl A and my l are my three,
Speaker 4: and I've kind of just.
Speaker 1: Sorry Verso Cel and my oh so you don't you
Speaker 1: you got you got rid of Lunae.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like Luna and then weird fucking face mask
Speaker 4: guy or whatever, like they've got some interesting stuff going on,
Speaker 4: but like that's my main three right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I Cel was one of those ones where oh
Speaker 1: I had a dumb moment with cel I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: she is very weak. I didn't realize they did not
Speaker 1: auto assign her stat points when I got her my party,
Speaker 1: I already just sitting there. She was tough to figure out.
Speaker 1: But once you figure her out, and again, like each character,
Speaker 1: like oh god, I got to wrap my head around
Speaker 1: an entire new battle system for this each character, she
Speaker 1: was awesome, like the cool interplay. Basically, you're trying to
Speaker 1: build up two currencies with her, so it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to build out the light and dark to
Speaker 1: enter Twilight when they're even, but also spending this one
Speaker 1: is going to generate this spending that's going to generate
Speaker 1: something else, so you really are thinking about it starts
Speaker 1: getting you in that chest mindset.
Speaker 4: It is very complicated where it's like, okay, well, if
Speaker 4: I'm in Twilight, I can build up to twenty four
Speaker 4: tail on this. So when I'm in Twilight, that's when
Speaker 4: I want to build up foretel and then I will
Speaker 4: you know, extinguish the stuff and then gain Twilight again.
Speaker 4: Like it's it took me a while. That was one
Speaker 4: where I was about to be like this is too confusing,
Speaker 4: but I just kind of bird forced understanding it, and
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did because.
Speaker 1: She's also just cool. Her double edged scythes are really cool,
Speaker 1: but like she's awesome. That's I bring up a lootro
Speaker 1: just because that game, like I will say, it's not
Speaker 1: as gradual or as masterful of a ramp up as
Speaker 1: Billatro is to how you can break the game, but
Speaker 1: the tools are there for you to just dismantle the
Speaker 1: game if you want to. I will say, like once
Speaker 1: I really really started, like I was staring at the
Speaker 1: illuminae screen for a while, and what else are they
Speaker 1: called the portos or no, I'm playing something elsetose pictos.
Speaker 1: I'll stare at the pictose screen for a while. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: would she benefit from this? And then there's the cool
Speaker 1: system where basically if someone uses that pictos in several
Speaker 1: successful battles, he then unlock it as a permanent past,
Speaker 1: which is great. So then you're just kind of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend seven on of my illuminates
Speaker 1: on this. I want to just or I don't want
Speaker 1: to spend seven on, so I'll actively equip it and
Speaker 1: then I'll use that these the rest of these luminates
Speaker 1: to passively equip these other ones. This all probably makes
Speaker 1: way more sense if you play the game and or
Speaker 1: look at that screen, but that's the best I can
Speaker 1: describe it. So then it's like I've spent. There's been
Speaker 1: sessions where I sit down to play it and I
Speaker 1: spent And this might not sound that fun, but it
Speaker 1: was to me. I spent like seventy five percent of
Speaker 1: the two hours, like theory crafting the characters and like, uh,
Speaker 1: would this really work, and then trying it out and
Speaker 1: be like all right, well, I still kick the shit
Speaker 1: out of them, but like I still feel like I
Speaker 1: could push this mid max it to the Mac, like
Speaker 1: just all out in order to really use these characters
Speaker 1: how I feel like they should be well.
Speaker 4: And speaking of that, like, am I correct in like
Speaker 4: thinking that you can't go more than nine nine nine
Speaker 4: nine damage in a single attack, like a single I've
Speaker 4: never seen higher than that, like a single like a hack,
Speaker 4: like when I do like, oh they're marked in on
Speaker 4: fire and I use my l's sword pillar thing, I've
Speaker 4: never seen a number higher than nine nine ninety nine
Speaker 4: as the attack, which is confusing me because I feel like,
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of people be like I was
Speaker 4: over leveled. I one shot of the boss, and I've
Speaker 4: been picturing like, oh, you killed the boss with the
Speaker 4: one hit. But I'm like, wait, it seems like ten
Speaker 4: thousand is about the most you can do. Does that
Speaker 4: mean that just in one turn before the boss could attack? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm confused by that. I don't know what have you
Speaker 4: done damage more than ten thousand?
Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, but maybe I'm just imagining it.
Speaker 1: But to me, one shotting a boss means you beat
Speaker 1: them on the first tryst attack or first turn. No
Speaker 1: one shot what I don't know. One shot has never
Speaker 1: applied to a turn based game for me. One shot
Speaker 1: in a souls born game to me is you beat
Speaker 1: them on the first try. Oh okay, well if that's
Speaker 1: the I don't know how your point in your defense,
Speaker 1: I don't know what those people mean in terms of
Speaker 1: a turn based game.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that was like a souls burn term
Speaker 4: for first try. That's probably what it might I mean.
Speaker 1: I think it just goes back to the days where
Speaker 1: any boss fight, if you beat them on the first try,
Speaker 1: was a one first try. Okay, yeah, just first try you're.
Speaker 2: Both right, thank you, Mary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean like for real, because you can't
Speaker 3: get more damage until a certain point.
Speaker 1: Oh well, maybe I have got to that point, that's why.
Speaker 1: Or is it new plus maybe you can go above that?
Speaker 1: Maybe that would make sense if there is a new
Speaker 1: gad bus. I actually don't know. Yeah, I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: playing the game. Do you do you foresee this opening up?
Speaker 1: You're like maybe trying out more turn based games in
Speaker 1: the future, or is this one so specific blend of
Speaker 1: real time term.
Speaker 2: Special it does that it's not annoying.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, is like it's doing several things
Speaker 4: that make me open to it where it is got
Speaker 4: the kind of command based stuff where I'm doing things
Speaker 4: in the middle of the fight, which keeps me engaged.
Speaker 4: But also it's not just like fantasy tropes. I think
Speaker 4: that's a big thing that has kept me from liking
Speaker 4: a lot of these is I don't give a fuck
Speaker 4: about swords and a kingdom and mages and stuff as
Speaker 4: much like this is like a cool setting, and like
Speaker 4: it sets up this entirely like this very original cool
Speaker 4: setup of you know, the PAINTERSS and the number and
Speaker 4: all that stuff, Like I think that's so cool where
Speaker 4: it's like every fucking traditional not everyone obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: like I like Corona Trigger that's kind of a different
Speaker 4: setup and everything, Like I have like jay Air produced
Speaker 4: in the past, but anytime it's just like, oh, here's
Speaker 4: the king and here's though it's the most powerful wizard,
Speaker 4: and there would be dragons, and it's like I don't
Speaker 4: fucking care. I just don't care a And then it's
Speaker 4: kind of the same way I would view zombie stuff,
Speaker 4: where it's like I've seen this shit a million times.
Speaker 4: It's never been interesting to me. I don't want to
Speaker 4: keep seeing it. So it's like when this starts with
Speaker 4: a completely unique story and characters in a storyline, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh this, this is new to me.
Speaker 4: This is cool, Like I can get into it, but
Speaker 4: I am immediately turned off by just like fantasy trope
Speaker 4: turn based RBG stuff, so like a Dragon Quest or something,
Speaker 4: or most final fantasies I'm just not into. I've tried.
Speaker 4: I've tried so many fucking final fantasies just because it's like, look,
Speaker 4: I know this is a pillar of gaming history, but
Speaker 4: most of them I just don't like playing at all.
Speaker 4: But like you know, Final Fantasy fifteen, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's like a road trip. You're driving around the car,
Speaker 4: and it's more it's not turn based and stuff like Okay,
Speaker 4: that seems interesting, and I'll play like five hours of
Speaker 4: it and be like, eh, whatever, it's earth Bound. I
Speaker 4: want to try because that seems like it's a different
Speaker 4: It is like that the combat seems very traditional JRBG
Speaker 4: turn based, but the wrappings of it seems so much
Speaker 4: more interesting sci fi suburt have you tried? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: review the DS one. I review the d S one
Speaker 4: and I loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: Chrono trigger I feel like is a way to escape.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that's the thing I don't dislike every JRPG,
Speaker 4: And like, you know, technically, you know those Mario Luigi's
Speaker 4: and paper Mario is. Granted, it's got the Mario factor
Speaker 4: going on, but I think more importantly it's got the
Speaker 4: actual like kind of active stuff during the battles. You know,
Speaker 4: That's the key thing for me. And I don't think
Speaker 4: it's ever been better than I'm seeing in Clare Obscure.
Speaker 4: Like I I find the battles thrilling, like if I
Speaker 4: finish a story type beat. I will just fucking hop
Speaker 4: on that fucking Ska is back and sail around and
Speaker 4: fight every fucking Why did why did Mike Mahrty just
Speaker 4: change my zoom name to David Buddy?
Speaker 1: Can you do before? Todd? Ghak? Who's that? Just Seinfeld
Speaker 1: supporting characters?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Ska by the way, I love that dude,
Speaker 4: that Mike. Do you the optional thing with the wine Mike?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Mike, there's like a campfire thing. Because
Speaker 4: I always talked to everyone of the campfire and check
Speaker 4: in on everyone. There was just a scene where it's like, ESK,
Speaker 4: I forgot what spurred this on, but Versa was just like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I guess I'll tell you. Guys, like I
Speaker 4: keep all my wine and inside SKA it's about like
Speaker 4: very fine vintages.
Speaker 1: And someone mentions to me, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: didn't come across. I guess he's just like.
Speaker 4: Puking up wine into glasses and stuff like cl goes up,
Speaker 4: and it was like, fill me up. Why comes out
Speaker 4: of him? Because Verso keeps all this ship in him.
Speaker 1: It's really good. It's rocky mind of my stomach. I
Speaker 1: there's a wine thing in Destreating two that I noticed
Speaker 1: as well. We'll get to that. But yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: there's there's one game, so Octopath Traveler too. I think,
Speaker 1: oh you did. Did you play the first one?
Speaker 4: I loved that one, I didn't beat it, and I
Speaker 4: didn't really do the second one.
Speaker 1: Try the second one out when you get the chance.
Speaker 1: The combat is just as crunchy like for a turn
Speaker 1: based game. It's it's intricate. I think the storylines avoid
Speaker 1: tropes pretty well. Eight different characters you can start with,
Speaker 1: and then you're building up the party and each there's
Speaker 1: a lot of side quests you're doing as you go
Speaker 1: around the world. So try that out because I think
Speaker 1: that's got enough active stuff going on that the combat
Speaker 1: might appeal to you in the way.
Speaker 4: That I really like the first one.
Speaker 1: That Try the second one. It's it's it blows up
Speaker 1: the first one basically. Okay, Yeah, so I'm about I
Speaker 1: think the hour count is something like twelve. In Death
Speaker 1: Stranding two, I'm halfway across Australia. Halfway across Australia based
Speaker 1: on the map. The last Cupid I connected or Cupid
Speaker 1: I used to connect.
Speaker 4: We should probably say spoiler's also for des stranding here.
Speaker 4: So do you know what act you're in or what
Speaker 4: chapter you're in?
Speaker 1: Three?
Speaker 4: You're in only in three?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah? So okay, so the first one was just
Speaker 1: called Sam, second one was Lou, the third was h.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 4: It's fragile or something, so you had it. You don't
Speaker 4: know Neil much at all yet, m Okay, there's really
Speaker 4: good stuff here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're looking at the map, you know how
Speaker 1: when you you you insert the cupid or let it
Speaker 1: hover whatever, and it connects. The map shows basically almost
Speaker 1: half of Australia.
Speaker 4: That's so confusedograph because I feel like, wow, I feel
Speaker 4: like it didn't take long to be in like acts
Speaker 4: six or chapter six or seven, just the you must
Speaker 4: be doing a weird No.
Speaker 1: I might be. I might be passed because like act Lou,
Speaker 1: Act two or three was really quick. It was like
Speaker 1: three cuts, scene two things. Yeah, act four, So I might.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I might not have been paying enough attention.
Speaker 4: But if you haven't done any like Neil flashback, or
Speaker 4: like you haven't done any boss fights with No, so.
Speaker 1: I know I've seen some of the area, so I
Speaker 1: guess without spoiling anything, if you played the first game,
Speaker 1: you do all that, Mads Michelson, flash back to different
Speaker 1: American wars. I've seen some landscape stuff from like random
Speaker 1: thumbnails and videos of what it looks like in this game.
Speaker 1: To go back to those, it's like that Tetris effect
Speaker 1: looking whatever like. But no, I it tells me the
Speaker 1: last time I connected someone to the chiral network that
Speaker 1: I'm like eleven twelve hours in and it looks like
Speaker 1: half of Australia based on the Blue versus Red.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's wild that you're that far across Australia because
Speaker 4: I feel like that was like thirty to forty hours
Speaker 4: in for me.
Speaker 1: Huh, maybe I'm farther. I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: Are you just connecting stuff or you? Because I've done
Speaker 4: this twice now between this and the trip I went
Speaker 4: to com Gamer Productions. If you didn't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I could turn my PlayStation on show you the map,
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's I believe you. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: a different path. No, I don't think that would work
Speaker 1: because they tell you like the ones to connect are like,
Speaker 1: you don't get that many places from my understanding where
Speaker 1: you can branch off and go. You could branch off,
Speaker 1: but it seems like the places that you're actually connecting
Speaker 1: and revealing on the map, connecting to the chiral network,
Speaker 1: that's pretty scripted.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought. Yeah, so I thought you would be.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm over exaggerating when I say half, but
Speaker 1: it looks like I've done definitely the Western Okay, let's
Speaker 1: say third.
Speaker 4: Have you done monorail stuff? No, you're You've barely eaked
Speaker 4: into Australia.
Speaker 1: It sounds like ten hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like Mexico, I said, was like seven
Speaker 4: to eight hours in you keep mind, this is like
Speaker 4: a sixty hour game.
Speaker 1: Mexico did not feel eight hours to me. I trust
Speaker 1: your opinion, I trust your your call. I'm just didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that.
Speaker 4: I just don't think you are as far in Australia
Speaker 4: as you think you are.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's good to know. I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: out there and please feel free or spawn however you want.
Speaker 1: So far, I think this game is fine. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's Mary's big words.
Speaker 2: Better back that up.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I'm have to be clear. I'm having
Speaker 1: a lot of fun playing it, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the most important thing. And there are plenty of times
Speaker 1: where I get a new tool or a new ability
Speaker 1: or something I didn't even realize was possible in how
Speaker 1: these systems overlap and the mechanics interconnect, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck that's awesome. The thing for me is
Speaker 1: And obviously I couldn't stand the first game when I
Speaker 1: played in twenty nineteen that if oh I grew as
Speaker 1: a person? I wrote a review about it, and then
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one rolled around, Yeah, Mary, when are you
Speaker 1: going to join the club? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I never grow, that's my secret.
Speaker 1: And I played in twenty twenty one. I'm like, ah, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm in I don't know why. I'm in a different headspace.
Speaker 1: Maybe fucking COVID like lulled me.
Speaker 4: You were you were thinking about the American Dream writ large.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I was thinking about me and how I
Speaker 1: grew as a person and how like I didn't really
Speaker 1: put much trust in like the you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: put much. I forgot what the fuck I wrote. But
Speaker 1: I it's so funny to me that the first game
Speaker 1: is like, you're gonna be fourteen hours in before you
Speaker 1: get any real weapon to fight bandits and then this
Speaker 1: game and let me I'm gonna say some stuff, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna say I get why this happened. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's an assault rifle right off the bat. Here are
Speaker 1: there are twelve enemies in this base right over here.
Speaker 1: Two is so much more of a video game right
Speaker 1: away than the first game is. So I'm not I
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I like it's it's two is more
Speaker 1: fun right away, yeah, which is great.
Speaker 4: It's handing you like here's a trink grenade launcher, which
Speaker 4: I just laughed when I saw that. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm shooting a grenade launcher and a dude's body is
Speaker 4: flying three feet and it's like he's sleepy.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not lethal. It's fine. I the first game
Speaker 1: was one of those things where I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think I really liked the last four hours I played.
Speaker 1: Then I zoom out and I'm like, yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: kind of did. It was this really bold game that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the game as a formula
Speaker 1: or as a framework, it's like, oh, it's just glorified
Speaker 1: fetch quests that they ring a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of emergent gameplay out of and when you can't fight
Speaker 1: people the whole time, and you have to be kind
Speaker 1: of stealthy, or you have to be crafty, or you
Speaker 1: have to think like someone who's not combat trained would.
Speaker 1: I think that was the game and its best not
Speaker 1: to say. Like, especially in the director's cut, you get
Speaker 1: stuff to like canon cargo, which is great this game,
Speaker 1: though I look at the formula of what I'm doing
Speaker 1: in a big picture, it's not that dissimilar from a
Speaker 1: fucking Ubisoft open world. You are you are, you are
Speaker 1: traveling across this map. Clearing enemy bases is a big
Speaker 1: thing in this game. It's you don't have to, but
Speaker 1: it's you have to go. The last four big objectives
Speaker 1: I've had were to either sneak through an enemy base
Speaker 1: and destroy this like Chiral disruptor, or clear the enemy base,
Speaker 1: collect cargo, and deliver that.
Speaker 4: It's not far right, though, I feel like you're making
Speaker 4: them sound like a far cry or something.
Speaker 1: I'm revealing the map by connecting it to the Kyrol network,
Speaker 1: much like you would climb a tower in those games
Speaker 1: and reveal part of the map that then allow.
Speaker 4: They're in bunkers, they're underground.
Speaker 1: That's the opposite of a tower. Again, Dan, I'm having
Speaker 1: a lot of fun playing this game. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be a dick.
Speaker 4: And they look like, here's the thing I'm not going
Speaker 4: to I will take no offense.
Speaker 1: I won't take like we're.
Speaker 2: In our goady discussions right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, do you see what I'm saying? Sort
Speaker 1: of though, Like as as a formula, you're crossing the
Speaker 1: map and there's some enemy bases that take out or
Speaker 1: sneak around. And to be clear, I'm playing this game
Speaker 1: as a stealth game. I think this game is at
Speaker 1: its best for me as a stealth game. I appreciate
Speaker 1: good stealth games. But the stealth, the combat, the a
Speaker 1: lot of the way these systems are interacting. It's kind
Speaker 1: of an okay, open world game. I think in the minutia,
Speaker 1: this game is incredible. I think I think this is
Speaker 1: an amazing When you look at the gadgets, they give
Speaker 1: you the creative tools you have, Like I was clearing
Speaker 1: an enemy base, and again to your point, I didn't
Speaker 1: have to, but I was like, all R, I'm going
Speaker 1: to clear this out because I have not seen the
Speaker 1: ramifications of this. But they tell me if I leave
Speaker 1: some enemies alive, it'll still be just as dangerous next
Speaker 1: time I backtrack past it or go to it. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'd like it to be safe in
Speaker 1: the future, so I'm going to or relatively yeah or
Speaker 1: no it's not so so's it's very fun to me.
Speaker 1: And I also say, I really do appreciate the vision
Speaker 1: cones of enemies. I think this game is pretty realistic
Speaker 1: in that, like, I really worry even if I'm like
Speaker 1: crouched on a ledge one hundred and fifty yards from someone,
Speaker 1: if they're in a watchtower, I'm like, they can see
Speaker 1: you in this game, which I love. That's refreshing because
Speaker 1: a lot of games it's like, why does he not
Speaker 1: see me? Anyway, I'm tranking a dude and it's loud,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually the game is very clear. It's like
Speaker 1: you should have a relocation area planned because this is
Speaker 1: all It's a trank sniper rifle, but it's loud. I
Speaker 1: also conveniently attached this speed exoskeleton to me, so I
Speaker 1: trank someone and then I'm fucking sprinting like way too
Speaker 1: fast front of human It's awesome, Like and then I'm
Speaker 1: getting to another ridge and then he's getting too close
Speaker 1: to me, so I bowlug on his head and he
Speaker 1: gets knocked out, and his friend comes to like kick
Speaker 1: him awake, and I javel in him with an electric spear,
Speaker 1: and like, the game is constantly giving you new tools
Speaker 1: with which to do this stuff. The thing is that I,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, the first game was at
Speaker 1: its best when you're finding the story through the systems,
Speaker 1: in the emmergent story, at the gameplay and whatnot. It
Speaker 1: was amazing in that regard. I didn't care for the script.
Speaker 1: I think there's some funny, like bizarre shit going on
Speaker 1: that was like patent Lee Kojima, which is great. In
Speaker 1: this game, though, you're like you're going and you're connecting
Speaker 1: this new area and it's a fucking hermit musician who
Speaker 1: goes out there. He went into commune with nature and
Speaker 1: see how it impacted his music, and then he got
Speaker 1: stranded during the death stranding and he's like, oh, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Like it's so nice to be part
Speaker 1: of Chirole network. Now I get shared with my music
Speaker 1: with anybody. Anyway. My friend's really into guns, So here's
Speaker 1: a shotgun schematic like what why did this musician? He
Speaker 1: should have given me something like a fucking guitar sniper
Speaker 1: rifle if anything. Well, and I and I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: it's funny, like I'm having fun with this game despite itself.
Speaker 1: But I have to say it does feel like a
Speaker 1: sophomore slump. I do hope. I do hope there's a
Speaker 1: Death Stranding three. I'm assuming there will be, because I.
Speaker 4: I don't know there will. I hope he's got od
Speaker 4: infision in the chamber. Yeah, GQ interviews talking about like
Speaker 4: these games are like three or four years and I'm old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing, Like I look at Destreating
Speaker 1: two compared to the first one, and make no mistake,
Speaker 1: I think as like this game gets so much more fun,
Speaker 1: so much sooner than the first game. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: first game is such a weird, unyieldy beast with such
Speaker 1: weird friction against the player, and like, I hate it,
Speaker 1: but I also love it. And then you're not wrong.
Speaker 4: And that is what pushed me away from the first
Speaker 4: one to begin with, is it is like going against
Speaker 4: the player and like I hated falling down Like in
Speaker 4: the first one, I was doing so much more falling
Speaker 4: down and I fucking went across the river.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't.
Speaker 4: Now I'm watching all of my shit go down the
Speaker 4: river and it's infuriating but also interesting. This one is
Speaker 4: way more of just a video game, for sure, and
Speaker 4: I think that's why there wasn't that friction with me
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't. I like, It's like, I love
Speaker 1: that you can get a coffin to surf on tar
Speaker 1: with and stuff, and it's like, but then you accidentally
Speaker 1: kill someone and you're like, well, fuck going by the
Speaker 1: first game is logic, and by the logic of this world,
Speaker 1: I now have to wit find an incinerator to avoid
Speaker 1: avoid out, so I assumed I would have to bring
Speaker 1: them back to like the Magellan at the least. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: the coffin can actually just go down to the ground,
Speaker 1: great quality of life thing. But I kind of would
Speaker 1: have preferred the long journey to avoid this thing. And
Speaker 1: again that's just my taste in games. Like I love
Speaker 1: fucking State of the K two. I love that shit
Speaker 1: that like is Dragon's Dogma two. I love the stuff
Speaker 1: that's a pain, but it was a good story, So
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I play this game, and
Speaker 1: it almost feels like, and I'm this is very unfair.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know the guy. I think I've met
Speaker 1: him once and we talked about Metal Grosel three. It
Speaker 1: just feels like Kojima and Kojuma Productions they cared about
Speaker 1: this game a little bit less than the first one.
Speaker 1: And again that right, right, that's my point. It's like
Speaker 1: the first one, it's like they had this like it's
Speaker 1: like it's almost like a debut work in a way.
Speaker 1: The first one it's like this thing, like you could
Speaker 1: tell that was percolating their brains forever and they finally
Speaker 1: got it out. They're like, we don't care. And then
Speaker 1: you see those stories before two came out, it's like
Speaker 1: Kochimo's disappointed that it wasn't that divisive. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, fucking grow up, dude. Oh people like your game.
Speaker 1: Then it came out, I'm like, I kind of actually
Speaker 1: might have seen what he's saying. It's like, it really
Speaker 1: is kind of triple a ass video game design. Sure,
Speaker 1: there is a fucking skateboarding coffin that can dip into
Speaker 1: ink to to dispose of potentially time bomb explosive bodies.
Speaker 1: You say, a lot of this stuff out loud. You're like,
Speaker 1: this is a really unique game, but you look at
Speaker 1: it like a storyboard on a storyboard. It's actually it's
Speaker 1: actually a pretty generic Triple A game so far. I'm
Speaker 1: only twelve I'm only twelve hours in. I want to
Speaker 1: go and I want to play more.
Speaker 4: To be clear, so you're saying, like, let's say, okay,
Speaker 4: all the like it's a wire framed out so you know,
Speaker 4: none of the visual stuff or whatever. It's if you're
Speaker 4: talking about what you are doing moment to moment in
Speaker 4: this game. Take out the cut scenes. Like I see
Speaker 4: what you're saying.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 1: I don't mean it's an it's alt like I think
Speaker 1: there's a like I just it feels like I don't
Speaker 1: know if Sony said, like, hey, make it a bit
Speaker 1: more palatable so we can get another ten million players,
Speaker 1: or like they're like, hey, I liked that first game,
Speaker 1: let's build on it in a way that brings more
Speaker 1: people in. I don't know, Like the first game just
Speaker 1: almost felt like a I don't I don't care what
Speaker 1: you think, and like that's it's funny because lately I
Speaker 1: don't want those kind of games that do have that friction.
Speaker 1: I want the fun game. That's why I'm enjoying Death
Speaker 1: Stranding too. But it does it's so different than the
Speaker 1: first game.
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily going to disagree with anything you said
Speaker 4: and in fact talking about like the uh you brought up,
Speaker 4: like you know, immersive gameplay and comparing to other open
Speaker 4: world games, it's not like I don't think it's that
Speaker 4: amazing in terms of like immersive or emergent sorry, emergent
Speaker 4: gameplay where it's like, you know, I when I think
Speaker 4: of that, I think of breadth the wild, you know,
Speaker 4: I think a Tiers of the Kingdom where it's like
Speaker 4: I wonder if I could do this.
Speaker 1: And this and that.
Speaker 4: Fuck, oh wow, that works so crazy. Like there's so
Speaker 4: many like telling your own stories through your actions in
Speaker 4: the open world. There isn't that much of it in
Speaker 4: Death Straining too, Like there are a lot of like
Speaker 4: very funny like oh, I'm wearing this VTuber hat and
Speaker 4: now Sam only says peco and you know, there's there's
Speaker 4: a lot of quirks, but as far as the moment
Speaker 4: to moment what you're doing, you're right, Like when you
Speaker 4: are going to a base, like I'm typically building a
Speaker 4: watch tower, I'm tagging guys. Yeah, almost like a far
Speaker 4: cry and I'm sneaking in my self fails and I
Speaker 4: shoot everyone. Like yeah, I could actually, I could totally
Speaker 4: see that it doesn't have like there are interesting physics
Speaker 4: and interactions, but it's nowhere near on the level of like,
Speaker 4: you know, a breath the wild. I don't think it's
Speaker 4: trying to do that. I think what makes the Stranding
Speaker 4: stand apart is is, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 4: like just that Kajema factor where it's like that guy
Speaker 4: has an eye for just style. Where it's like every
Speaker 4: fucking time I'm approaching a new you know, terminal or
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, or station and it
Speaker 4: you know, pans out and it's playing whatever's on kajamas
Speaker 4: Spotify playlist, and it's just like there's really nothing like.
Speaker 1: That, you know.
Speaker 4: Like it makes me feel a way that like I
Speaker 4: have not played games that are like this where I
Speaker 4: feel like it is just so that game is dripping
Speaker 4: with one person's creative vision, you know. But you are right,
Speaker 4: it is more palatable in the sense that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're just getting a bunch of cool guns and stuff,
Speaker 4: and like even the like delivering stuff, which was the
Speaker 4: kind of hurdle people had to get over in the
Speaker 4: first one. It's not bad in this one. You're most
Speaker 4: of my times like on highways. It's you know, like
Speaker 4: I'll build my zip line network. It's totally fine. They
Speaker 4: even like introduce stuff like the monorail system and stuff
Speaker 4: to make it easier to move like large amounts of stuff,
Speaker 4: and I never really engaged with that. But the actual
Speaker 4: delivery aspect of the game, while still there, is not
Speaker 4: nearly as like in your face butting up against you
Speaker 4: as as it intentionally was in the first game. And
Speaker 4: so you're right, it is. It is a game that
Speaker 4: like you can load up and like people ask me if,
Speaker 4: like do I have to play the first game, and
Speaker 4: like not, really, it does feel like the first one
Speaker 4: to your point, Mike, is like that's the one where
Speaker 4: they had a bunch of crazy ass ideas and their
Speaker 4: whole like idea of the world and establishing what Kyrillium
Speaker 4: is and the beach and just you know, what these
Speaker 4: extinction events are like that was very heavy on explaining
Speaker 4: like what the fuck is this, what's the crypto bio,
Speaker 4: what's this thing? And now all that stuff's established, and
Speaker 4: now it's like, all right, you're in that weird world.
Speaker 4: Here's some guns, go have fun. Here's a coffin board.
Speaker 4: And I think, I like, I think this was the
Speaker 4: right mix of that.
Speaker 1: It's more balanced, like I don't want to say objectively,
Speaker 1: but it's it's to me, it's it's almost objectively more balanced.
Speaker 1: But I love the moments where you're you're creeping through
Speaker 1: areas infested by BT's like watchers. That was terrifying. I
Speaker 1: love that because that's unique. I will say, like doll
Speaker 1: Man's amazing. But the mechanic they introduce where you could
Speaker 1: throw him in the air and scout, that's that's Assassin's
Speaker 1: creed throw it. That's the eagle in the air scouting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a lot cooler than the eagle.
Speaker 1: I know he is, for sure.
Speaker 4: Eagle will fucking give you like little therapy sessions in
Speaker 4: the private bunk.
Speaker 1: And I love the blinking on this the entire screen
Speaker 1: of your TV. It's good.
Speaker 4: And then every time you pull them back, he's so desperate.
Speaker 4: Did I do a good job, Sam? Oh you did great, buddy,
Speaker 4: you did great.
Speaker 1: Zooming back to he's like stick a fork in me. Sam,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the fuck that means. I
Speaker 1: just love that he says that. Okay, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I I but that kind of speaks to my point.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a it feels like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm reminded of often when I'm playing this game, and this
Speaker 1: was kind of the case of the first game, but
Speaker 1: especially this one. It's the Gremlins to Key and Peel
Speaker 1: Sketch where they're in. It's like, what if you have
Speaker 1: a doll you throw in the air and he's basically
Speaker 1: the Eagle from Assassin's Creed but he blinks and says
Speaker 1: really like witty ship. But then he like scans out
Speaker 1: of me for you. Yes, yes, I love it. Yes,
Speaker 1: It's like what if you skateboard on a coffin like
Speaker 1: a hoverboard, and then you can we bring the Fourth
Speaker 1: Wall and hould Cocain's there? What Crimlins? I thought he was.
Speaker 3: That's actually a funny mini game, Grimlins to Death Stranding.
Speaker 1: Oh remind me. During the email section I did, just
Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote in about the game. I
Speaker 1: was trying to remember, uh, indivisible. It was indivisible, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I looked it up when I saw that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, but that would be
Speaker 1: a fun quiz if someone can do a quiz that's
Speaker 1: death straining too or Gremlins two.
Speaker 4: I mean every Grimlins one is just like, uh, there's
Speaker 4: an electro Gremlin Like, it's just like, yeah, it's all
Speaker 4: just weird Grimlin gimmicks. I know, yeah, it's it's that's
Speaker 4: pretty easy. It'd be very easy for me. These are
Speaker 4: only the two things I know the most about our
Speaker 4: Kajima and Grimlin.
Speaker 1: Someone needs to do, Mary, and I don't even need
Speaker 1: to be involved with a quiz. Someone create a quiz
Speaker 1: that's deastrating to our Gremlins, Sue, and we'll give Dan
Speaker 1: the quiz and see what he scores. Ten questions, ten
Speaker 1: one question.
Speaker 4: I'm curious, Mary, Like I remember that the whole deastranding
Speaker 4: director's cut your game of your debate thing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: What I am curious now is like, is there is
Speaker 4: there any curiosity about two? And you know, if if not,
Speaker 4: you know, what is it that that butts up against you?
Speaker 4: Uh so much. I don't really know where you're at
Speaker 4: with wanting to play.
Speaker 1: It or not.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's interest.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think especially if it's going to be,
Speaker 3: you know, something we discuss it at Gody. I need
Speaker 3: to write just like you would play uh a JRPG,
Speaker 3: because like we need to be on the same page
Speaker 3: about these things. I think something that makes me feel
Speaker 3: a little apprehensive about it. It might I'm trying to
Speaker 3: like avoid it just being like a counterculture thing, but
Speaker 3: I just think so many people are like it's so crazy,
Speaker 3: and it's just like the things that you're saying, they
Speaker 3: do sound crazy, but I don't really know if they're
Speaker 3: meaningful outside of like making you laugh.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that's what I've been trying to say.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, it does. Yes, it feels
Speaker 1: like it's just, oh, one of those funny things you
Speaker 1: talk about what you just did and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's funny, But like did it serve a purpose?
Speaker 2: Like why why do you go through all of this?
Speaker 3: Like Dan, when you were describing it the very first
Speaker 3: time you played it, you were like, it's so awesome
Speaker 3: on your birthday. There's this whole cot scene with like
Speaker 3: characters and they're singing and happy birthday, and I was like, cool,
Speaker 3: but it's a game good, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 3: And so I was like I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: you're getting lost and all these you know, fun things
Speaker 3: that are.
Speaker 2: So funny, and like I couldn't I couldn't believe how
Speaker 2: funny that was. But I was like, okay, but where
Speaker 2: is the game?
Speaker 3: Like the game is so convoluted, and you guys have
Speaker 3: like even my trying to describe the good components.
Speaker 2: It is really messy because there's so much.
Speaker 3: Rapper of Like that's a really funny cut scene that
Speaker 3: probably cost them a lot of money and they wasted
Speaker 3: like a little much time went into that.
Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, but again, what is the fucking game?
Speaker 1: Like I think where's the direction? That's I don't know.
Speaker 4: I get that because, like you know, it's interesting because,
Speaker 4: like I one of the reasons I hate like family
Speaker 4: guy is because I hate like random for random's sake,
Speaker 4: I'm going somewhere like I hate like also random humor.
Speaker 4: It's like just being random isn't funny, you know? And
Speaker 4: there was I saw a mutual friend recently and I
Speaker 4: was talking about this game. This is a private conversation.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm not naming them.
Speaker 1: But one of barb Schols like what you don't okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just say it was a private conversation,
Speaker 4: but like I showed him a clip of like, let
Speaker 4: me show you a ten second clip from the end
Speaker 4: of this game, and it does some like really out
Speaker 4: there stuff that I could not have possibly predicted, and
Speaker 4: his reaction surprised me. And then he was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but doesn't this kind of feel like Kajima just kind
Speaker 4: of like getting off. I'm just being like, whoa so random.
Speaker 1: So wacky Kajima.
Speaker 4: And then I thought about it and I was like
Speaker 4: about the scene in particular I was talking about, which
Speaker 4: for those I alluded to this on the Giant bomb thing,
Speaker 4: it was a James Brown reminiscent thing, and it really
Speaker 4: popped me where I was like, Wow, this is getting weird.
Speaker 4: And he was like, isn't that just Kajima just like
Speaker 4: getting off. I'm just being weird for weird sake or whatever.
Speaker 4: And it's like like like he's into this whole idea
Speaker 4: of Kajima being so wacky and random and stuff like fuck, wait,
Speaker 4: I do hate that stuff like random for random, weird
Speaker 4: for weird, you know that type of stuff, And it's like,
Speaker 4: what is it about Kajima, where I am like tickled me.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because you.
Speaker 2: Went to his cool, little stupid house and you got
Speaker 2: to meet him and like, you know and stuff a bunch.
Speaker 4: I've hung out with them like four.
Speaker 2: Times, but he never gave a ship who you were.
Speaker 3: And now all of a little handshake.
Speaker 4: Tan's got that Kii virus. He's just I was sitting
Speaker 4: next to him during that event a Kajima Productions.
Speaker 2: Dan, you bring it up all the time.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you about that off Mike. I'm so
Speaker 1: curious what Jeff Keeley is like when the UI and
Speaker 1: his game isn't working.
Speaker 4: Hey, dude loves metal gear, Dude loves Kajima. We can
Speaker 4: talk for sure.
Speaker 3: What's it like sniffing Kiey and Coajima's farts in the
Speaker 3: same room?
Speaker 1: Hey, Dale, I threw the doll and nothing's happening.
Speaker 4: Look, he was encountering a glitch. He was right to
Speaker 4: call someone over and be like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Dale? What the fuck? Why am I listening to talking
Speaker 1: heads right now? I'm trying to play a video game.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good impression.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: What do you think? He calls? Hey? Hid? Hey?
Speaker 2: Hid?
Speaker 1: What button. Do I press the throw a suitcaseat on
Speaker 1: my who's trying to stab me with a spear?
Speaker 4: Hid Yeah, Like at the end of the day, maybe
Speaker 4: I'm just a mark like Foragma.
Speaker 1: But but then again, it's like.
Speaker 4: But I fucking hated Deak, Like if that were the case,
Speaker 4: Like when I get the term mark wrestling term, it's
Speaker 4: one that's just like, oh, my favorites can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: I can just like blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: I fucking hated Death Stranding when it came out, So
Speaker 4: I think that shows that, like even if it's Kajima,
Speaker 4: my fucking favorite game creator ever, he can make something
Speaker 4: that I don't like and I will go out there
Speaker 4: and be like, I fucking hate this and I did
Speaker 4: legitimately come around on it, and I do legitimately love
Speaker 4: this game, so like I do think I will give
Speaker 4: him shit when I think it's warranted, but I also
Speaker 4: genuinely do love this game, So I don't know, like
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I'm like, you know, running interference
Speaker 4: for Kajima or whatever if I didn't like it, like,
Speaker 4: and that's why it's like any like Mike, all your
Speaker 4: complaints that you're saying I think are totally valid, and
Speaker 4: also a lot of the story is nonsense.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I mean the first game story
Speaker 1: that was not as well. It's just yeah, that Death
Speaker 1: Randing one. For whatever reason, I played Directors Cut and
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I loved a lot. Like most
Speaker 1: Metal Gear Solids, Metal Your Slid three is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite games ever. I despite all the mechanical issues
Speaker 1: I've always had with Coojima's games, I grew up a
Speaker 1: Nintendo person. I never really even for PlayStation standards. His
Speaker 1: control schemes just trying to be different for different sake, almost.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a generational divide or
Speaker 1: a regional divide or whatever. Death Stranding one. When I replayed,
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I kind of finally get why
Speaker 1: he's kind of lauded like this. Now I'm playing two,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it feels like he's almost like stooped
Speaker 1: down to like triple A game design at this point.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and like.
Speaker 4: I still think it's more interesting than that. It is
Speaker 4: more interesting than if they did a far Crist seven.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like there's so much style to it
Speaker 4: still that like, but.
Speaker 3: That's not the bar is better than I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna piss you off right now.
Speaker 1: I don't fully believe this, but I'm going to piss
Speaker 1: you off. I was talking to a friend the other
Speaker 1: day and he also has been playing it, and he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, so, yeah, it was made with the in
Speaker 1: concert with the Horizon engine. So he's like, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that it feels like a Horizon game. And he
Speaker 1: said that, and I thought about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's not that wrong.
Speaker 4: I mean, but I have thought about that a lot
Speaker 4: while playing it, because it is on that same Deciment engine,
Speaker 4: and I yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What differentiates it is I just like Horizon to me
Speaker 4: just feels like a game with every weird or controversial
Speaker 4: edge sanded all the way off of it. So like
Speaker 4: when you talk about that like open World Park right
Speaker 4: type thing, I kind of I feel that way about Horizon.
Speaker 4: Like on every level.
Speaker 1: You're climbing over of sources to unlock the map.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but it's it's it's gorgeous and the action
Speaker 4: is good and like like it is like there are
Speaker 4: so many like top of their craft people working on Horizon,
Speaker 4: but it just feels so sanded down creatively where I
Speaker 4: think I really do respect people making swings, and I
Speaker 4: do think this story and these characters and the like,
Speaker 4: I think there are still swings here. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's the safe thing. You might be painting it as you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, sure, main protagonist be a dude shot a baby.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, God, the fucking there's so many gripes. I
Speaker 1: mean I had a lot of gripes with the script
Speaker 1: from the first game. And I say script as opposed
Speaker 1: to again, I like the storytelling when the bird stuff,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that fucking two story, Like why does
Speaker 1: Sam not care about this or that? Why did like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's no guilt in like Fragile
Speaker 1: doesn't feel any guilt for this thing that happened. But like, yes,
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was like, you know what, Like, structurally,
Speaker 1: it's not that different from a Horizon game. But I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but you're doing a lot of cool stuff,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the minutia is very zany and
Speaker 1: weird and bizarre. He's like, yeah, but it's like by
Speaker 1: the end of Forbidden West, you're flying around on a
Speaker 1: robotic pterodactyl. That's pretty like when you say it out loud,
Speaker 1: it's cool, even if the entire game does. There's something
Speaker 1: about like now I once he said that, I couldn't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about it the last like five hours I played.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's something hollow at the center of both
Speaker 1: of these games. And I still Horizon and Yes, and
Speaker 1: I like, that's Treading two more than Horizon. To be clear,
Speaker 1: there is something, yes, to your point, very generic about Horizon,
Speaker 1: even if it is gorgeous. Death Training two one of
Speaker 1: the best looking games I've ever played my life. The
Speaker 1: opening shot when you're on those ridges and East Solitary
Speaker 1: in Mexico. I don't look for photorealism in my games.
Speaker 1: That I could not have told you that was not real,
Speaker 1: Like when it comes down the ridges and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're balancing on the ridge and like was
Speaker 1: it wood Kid the music was playing or whatever. I
Speaker 1: love that shit, that's what I love. I absolutely love
Speaker 1: for that ship. And like even at this point in
Speaker 1: the game now as I'm approaching a base, like and
Speaker 1: I'm climbing up a hill, I want like Kate Bush
Speaker 1: to be playing, but then it's the slow, somber song
Speaker 1: like this is what I love. I this is not
Speaker 1: something Horizon would ever do. But there is I can't
Speaker 1: I can't quite yet put my finger on it. But
Speaker 1: there is something hollow at the center of this game,
Speaker 1: whereas like Death Streading one was the opposite, where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something here that I can't quite
Speaker 1: break through to. And for whatever reason, directors cut when
Speaker 1: it came out. I just again, maybe I had more
Speaker 1: patience because we weren't fucking doing anything and it was COVID.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what the deal was with
Speaker 4: director's cut. It was only time. There was no thing
Speaker 4: that the director's cut introduced and maded and that much
Speaker 4: of a better game. It was just time and expectation
Speaker 4: were different. I think that's why so many people came
Speaker 4: around with that.
Speaker 1: It's like it's two. It's like I'm knocking on this
Speaker 1: game trying to get to the center of it. It feels
Speaker 1: hollowers one, it's like it's repelling me. But I know
Speaker 1: there's something there. I don't know. And again I'm one,
Speaker 1: how long can this game be? Seventy eighty hours not
Speaker 1: tay fifty to sixty Okay, I'm one fifth at best
Speaker 1: of the way through this game. So like I want
Speaker 1: I keep playing. I'm having fun, but it's more of
Speaker 1: a fun that I remember having with like the Ubisoft
Speaker 1: games the World.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I'm not I don't think I'm disagreeing
Speaker 4: with anything you're saying. I think it's just, you know,
Speaker 4: your mileage may vary where it's like the Kajima factor
Speaker 4: goes very far with me, and it feels there's a
Speaker 4: lot of Kajima all over this game, especially like in
Speaker 4: the last that's the last few hours. I granted, I
Speaker 4: was loving the game all the way up, but then
Speaker 4: the last few hours is just the most Kajima shit
Speaker 4: I've ever seen in a video game, more than middle.
Speaker 1: Of your seaking the President. On top of.
Speaker 4: More than that, it is like, Wow, this guy is
Speaker 4: just fully unshackled here, and I think I think that
Speaker 4: will be off putting to some. I think it will
Speaker 4: be seen as like just very indulgent, but I just
Speaker 4: kind of really like his sensibilities and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's I I I get while you're loving this game, like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun to be had, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of batshit stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool stuff like being able to
Speaker 1: remotely access watch towers is awesome if it's like as
Speaker 1: around Kiral network and it makes you think like there's
Speaker 1: certain bases where if you sprint in one direction too far,
Speaker 1: you literally leave the chiral network and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: that's a tactical consideration.
Speaker 4: I love you can't use the coffin board outside.
Speaker 1: I love that's the kind of stuff where it's like,
Speaker 1: that is the systemic stuff you don't see in a
Speaker 1: horizon or a far cry. I love that. But anyway, Mary,
Speaker 1: I I think we're done. Sorry, Mary, Mary, this game
Speaker 1: is way more doing in the first game. If you're
Speaker 1: interested in trying to do this out, it's way more
Speaker 1: dewey than there's some talkie. But honestly, compared to the
Speaker 1: first game, it's fucking nothing. It's a lot of dewey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Mary, I uh, if it helped, I don't
Speaker 4: think I will be doing like I love this game dearly,
Speaker 4: I don't think I will be making any Uh what's
Speaker 4: the word for flipper gusting? What's the Philip Burton? What's
Speaker 4: the Philip Burtons?
Speaker 1: Sounds like the oil company in like Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: I won't be doing any butter fingering.
Speaker 4: I think it will probably be in my top three
Speaker 4: of the year, certainly, but uh, don't worry about me
Speaker 4: pushing extremely hard for this beginning.
Speaker 1: Do we all have to share number one? So far?
Speaker 4: Without I mean, I'll tell you my three. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you right now. You know we've done the mid year stuff.
Speaker 3: You know it's too early for this.
Speaker 4: It's in no particular order. Desk Strending two, Expedition thirty three,
Speaker 4: and Blueprints I share. Okay, those are those are my
Speaker 4: front runners right now. But we're a week away from
Speaker 4: Bonanza and I'm gonna be going nuts on Bonanza.
Speaker 1: And we got some stuff coming out in the fall.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, all right, Sorry, Mary, what have you
Speaker 1: been playing lately? We got to pass the backs now
Speaker 1: past so continue? No, we didn't. I can call my mom.
Speaker 4: What do you want.
Speaker 2: Trying to be an ally?
Speaker 1: I can go wake my wife up into the room.
Speaker 2: Stop bringing your wives it.
Speaker 1: I have three female cats.
Speaker 3: Your love for your Oh, I know, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Dan's a dude.
Speaker 4: I've been playing ship Ink.
Speaker 3: It's like an Amazon based game where you pack stuff
Speaker 3: in a shipping plant.
Speaker 4: Is it Amazon branded?
Speaker 3: No, It's just like I assume that's probably what it's
Speaker 3: like to work there, like you orders, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I do. I ship orders.
Speaker 3: My god, let's talk about death stranding somewhere in ship
Speaker 3: Ink you it's an ally. Stop trying to be an ally.
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to be an ally by saying you're
Speaker 3: an eye, interrupting me to tell me anxiety is an ally.
Speaker 4: It's actually different, but.
Speaker 1: Is my favorite Quentin Tarantino movie.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I like the substance in ship Ink You.
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis is aging like a fine wine. Carl
Speaker 1: Zenya on the top. Oh I I I sighed during
Speaker 1: our James Bond marathon recently. Many times.
Speaker 4: You disapproved of scenes in The Warriors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew enough to know this was wrong.
Speaker 1: Hey buster, Hey whoa. We don't let that word fly
Speaker 1: in modern New York. Buddy boy, Hey whoa? You lay out?
Speaker 1: You get your goddamn hands off her. And I turned
Speaker 1: around and looked at my wife, and I flexed, and
Speaker 1: then we boom.
Speaker 4: Mike, let Marry toss.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I hate this podcast. Ship Ink is a simulation
Speaker 3: packaging plant.
Speaker 2: So you work at a pack plant.
Speaker 3: And you print out orders and then you get all
Speaker 3: the stuff like maybe sweaters or vases or mugs or whatever.
Speaker 3: And sometimes the items are broken, you double click on
Speaker 3: them to fix them.
Speaker 2: They're just like silly little mini games.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like one of those thoughtless sim games
Speaker 3: where you can play it after like a long day
Speaker 3: of work and you don't want to be stressed out
Speaker 3: or think too much, or you can play it while
Speaker 3: you're like watching TV on.
Speaker 1: Your steam deck.
Speaker 3: So steam deck friendly, although I will say it's much
Speaker 3: easier on mouse and keyboard because it's because you're unpacking
Speaker 3: and you have to like cut open the boxes.
Speaker 4: And you say that I've been thinking about Unpacking, Like
Speaker 4: is it anything at all like the game Unpacking?
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's less story environmental storytelling, which I think
Speaker 3: was what everybody loved about on the back.
Speaker 2: This doesn't have any of that.
Speaker 3: It's more of the fact that your simulation of doing
Speaker 3: all the things you need to do to pack a
Speaker 3: box appropriately, including if it's got fragile things in it,
Speaker 3: you need to bubble wrap it, you need to put
Speaker 3: a fragile stickler on it. You just need to make
Speaker 3: sure that everything's accurate or you lose money. And then
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. With the money that
Speaker 3: you have, you can invest in lots of different things.
Speaker 3: You obviously you need to buy your own shipping equipment,
Speaker 3: which makes it a lot more annoying if you accidentally
Speaker 3: use the wrong sticker or the wrong size box, because
Speaker 3: you're paying for that. It's coming out of your paycheck
Speaker 3: when you make a mistake. But if you do everything right,
Speaker 3: you get like maybe like seven hundred dollars. You can
Speaker 3: put it in the bank, which your crew's interest. You
Speaker 3: can take it to a law firm, and then UA
Speaker 3: you can invest in yourself. So in the law firm
Speaker 3: you can do things like it'll be one thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: but you get ten sent more for fast orders, and
Speaker 3: so it's like okay, if I do that, I'll make
Speaker 3: the money back within like three or four working days,
Speaker 3: so that's.
Speaker 2: Like a good investment.
Speaker 3: You can buy like different colored shipping equipment, which isn't
Speaker 3: like super exciting or anything like. This is a pretty
Speaker 3: mundane sim game that's meant to help you like pastime
Speaker 3: in a casual way, and I think it does a
Speaker 3: totally fine job of that. I did buy this in
Speaker 3: the Steam Summer sale, which I think is important context
Speaker 3: to add because Steam Summer Sale, like all of us
Speaker 3: were kind of like, yes, I would like to spend
Speaker 3: a little bit of money. This game is like I
Speaker 3: think it's five dollars and it was on sale, So
Speaker 3: I spent two dollars on this game and it was
Speaker 3: just like a delightful game for two bucks.
Speaker 2: Honest.
Speaker 4: The packing part of it, is there any kind of
Speaker 4: that like tetris Ari four suitcase like satisfaction of just
Speaker 4: like packing everything in as tight as possible.
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to rotate everything properly and you can't
Speaker 3: overlap too many things at once, so and you again
Speaker 3: you have to like make the right decision. It'll print
Speaker 3: out and it'll be like this person wants two pairs
Speaker 3: of pants, a uh water bottle, and some keys, and
Speaker 3: it's like can I fit that into a medium box
Speaker 3: or do I have to pay for the large box?
Speaker 3: And if you're wrong, now you now you've just wasted
Speaker 3: a box.
Speaker 4: So that that sounds satisfying because I've moved so many
Speaker 4: times and like the amount of times I had a
Speaker 4: box and like there has to be a fucking way
Speaker 4: to get everything in here, Like it is tremendously satisfying
Speaker 4: to figure out the configuration, They're like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 4: works out.
Speaker 1: Dreads had that too in the cargo.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Like this is such a stupid conversation compared to chanting.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm the fucking yellow taxi go room guy.
Speaker 4: After Mike talks about life and philosophy for forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Ship Ink is just about how we all compartmentalize and
Speaker 1: pack certain emotions and feelings and traumas into their own
Speaker 1: little compartments.
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't stranding just a ship ink game?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: It comes down in many ways. We both played ship Ink.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ship Ink is like the prequel, and then
Speaker 1: you pass the crates to Sam, yeah, and he brings
Speaker 1: them to the next facility.
Speaker 3: There's there's like no cut scenes that you know, where
Speaker 3: you like shoot babies or like walk on the moon
Speaker 3: or you know, like anything really extravagant happens. But at
Speaker 3: the end of your work day, if there's extra stuff
Speaker 3: that you didn't pack, you can steal.
Speaker 2: It, which I thought was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: I feel like it doesn't fit the vibe of the world,
Speaker 3: which is extremely wholesome and like you'll see, but you
Speaker 3: can steal, and then after you steal, there's like a
Speaker 3: guy that hangs out by a dumpster and he kind
Speaker 3: of looks like a rough rabble rouser, and then you
Speaker 3: sell stuff to him for like under the table, and
Speaker 3: nothing bad has happened to me yet, but I always
Speaker 3: found that odd that I could do that.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of.
Speaker 3: The day, you have to pay bills, like you know,
Speaker 3: getting your nails done or paying your dog food. The
Speaker 3: only way you can lose this game is if you
Speaker 3: don't pay three of your bills in a row. If
Speaker 3: you don't pay your bills on time, you essentially lose
Speaker 3: the game. So you have to be good enough at
Speaker 3: the game at least to to to pack all your
Speaker 3: stuff and and and keep your shit together. One of
Speaker 3: the things you can do with the law Firm is
Speaker 3: you can get a divorce and then anytime there's like
Speaker 3: a spousal support, you don't have to pay it, which
Speaker 3: I think is also very dark. There's like something happened
Speaker 3: with these developers. They were like, wait, let's let them
Speaker 3: steal too, and they just left it. And I don't
Speaker 3: know why they put it in there, but they did.
Speaker 1: The creative director, Jim comes in on a Wednesday, clearly hungover.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, I got the main character's wife
Speaker 1: is a fucking idiot bitch, and we need to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to for like, uh, figure out how
Speaker 1: to put some like divorce mechanics in the game. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I just like to think what my life would have
Speaker 1: been like years ago if I didn't propose to Karen
Speaker 1: at Disneyland. And we're gonna call the game. It takes
Speaker 1: two and the kid's gonna be all morose and you
Speaker 1: have to kill its stuff to animal. Yeah, it'll learn something.
Speaker 2: It's there's like a couple weird jarring things in it, but.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I find it, especially for the two dollars I
Speaker 3: paid for it. Most of the games that I bought
Speaker 3: during the Steam Summer Sale are like cozy easy games
Speaker 3: that you can play on a Steam deck. Easy pickins
Speaker 3: for a game that just recently came out, So that's
Speaker 3: Ship Inc.
Speaker 2: The next one I'll throw out.
Speaker 3: I also bought at the Steam Summer Sale, which was
Speaker 3: Two Point Museum. I've actually never played a two point
Speaker 3: game before, so you'll have to take this with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt.
Speaker 2: When other people are like huge.
Speaker 3: Two point fans and they they've apparently accrued like this
Speaker 3: mass following of these silly little I think they're also
Speaker 3: sim games where you, like you know, you operate a
Speaker 3: theme park or hospital.
Speaker 1: Prison.
Speaker 3: Yes, two point prison I think was popular. This is
Speaker 3: two point museum, so you are a museum curator.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: I again also got this on SAE, also just adding
Speaker 3: that context in there, because I was like, this is.
Speaker 2: A good deal you. I love a bargoon. Don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong.
Speaker 3: Games are expensive and I.
Speaker 1: I can't take either of you. I saw you Mike
Speaker 1: Dan just spilled wine, but like you went to like
Speaker 1: lick the lid to keep the trickle over going down.
Speaker 1: And then I hear Mary say, I love a bargoon.
Speaker 1: Why am I spending time talking to you guys every week?
Speaker 1: Is above us?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I love a bargoon.
Speaker 4: I've never poured wine without having to like the bottle
Speaker 4: immediately afterwards.
Speaker 1: What do you well, there's a big draft that goes
Speaker 1: down every time.
Speaker 4: Physically, there's not a way to do it otherwise, it's
Speaker 4: not true. I didn't go to small a school like
Speaker 4: some of us.
Speaker 1: No, it's still trickle. Sorry, Mary, you love a bargoon.
Speaker 3: So that my first point you start the museum, you
Speaker 3: send people off on expeditions. It's fun because they all
Speaker 3: have like really stupid names like Ron Philangy and like,
Speaker 3: you know, Regina Goon.
Speaker 2: Struggle, really really struggle.
Speaker 4: All these games seem aggressively British.
Speaker 1: Could I could I could like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I could feel like I could like hook up with
Speaker 1: Regina Goon and my wife would forgive me because it's
Speaker 1: the COO.
Speaker 2: And the game is silly.
Speaker 3: The game is like filled with British humor and like
Speaker 3: silly humor throughout for example, for whatever reason. So obviously
Speaker 3: you're just selling tickets to your museum. You're filling it
Speaker 3: with old stuff that you find on your digs, and
Speaker 3: you're decorating your museum, and people come and visit you,
Speaker 3: and you can actually click on each person that comes
Speaker 3: and learn about their stories and their histories and what
Speaker 3: makes them excited to be in the museum. And some
Speaker 3: of the people that visit are yeties, Like they actually
Speaker 3: have yeties that come into your museum, and they have
Speaker 3: little children that run around little yeties and you can
Speaker 3: learn about them. So the game doesn't take itself seriously
Speaker 3: at all. It's meant to be kind of a little
Speaker 3: bit of a it's playful and silly. When you go
Speaker 3: on these expeditions, they'll give you like maybe one third
Speaker 3: or one fourth of a dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Skeleton, so you got to go back on the same expedition.
Speaker 3: There is a risk that your people will get injured
Speaker 3: or take away too long, or not bring back the
Speaker 3: right bones. But once they do and you complete a skeleton,
Speaker 3: everybody in the museum gets super hype and all these
Speaker 3: people come to come to your giant t rex skeleton,
Speaker 3: which I think is fun. I got kind of into
Speaker 3: it then, and I was like not prepared for this
Speaker 3: at all. I was doing really well, and I thought
Speaker 3: my museum was like actually taking off. I had like
Speaker 3: five fully constructed skeletons that I thought were awesome, and
Speaker 3: I was like this game, it was great. And they
Speaker 3: were like, cool, you've earned yourself. Museum number two, let's
Speaker 3: start it. And I was like what, Like, I'm but
Speaker 3: I'm already doing a museum, and they were like, no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna do this one. It's a haunted museum. You
Speaker 3: need you need to like have ghosts in it, and
Speaker 3: I was like what. And everything about the second museum
Speaker 3: is like a farce and fake. Uh, it was it
Speaker 3: completely lost all sense of reality. I was instead of
Speaker 3: curating bones and scavenging like animal remains and fossils for
Speaker 3: my museum, it's it's like dolls and haunted phone booths
Speaker 3: and go like actual ghosts and you have to make
Speaker 3: the ghosts happy with the right furniture in order to
Speaker 3: like keep your museum open.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm out. So I don't like
Speaker 2: the haunted.
Speaker 3: Museum, but I like the uh. I like the one
Speaker 3: where you like dig up animal bones.
Speaker 4: I feel like those are like the right level of
Speaker 4: like city Builder type stuff I would want, like I've
Speaker 4: seen enough of those games and be like, I don't
Speaker 4: want to go like super in deep on like tax
Speaker 4: raids and all this stuff. I just want to like
Speaker 4: build some fun stuff, see some silly characters and stuff like.
Speaker 4: I've always been curious about the Two point series.
Speaker 2: I was surprised.
Speaker 3: It is fairly intricate, and there's so many different things
Speaker 3: you can do. You can promote people, you can fire them,
Speaker 3: you can give them education. I was educating a lot
Speaker 3: of my people to be like smarter, faster, kinder. There's
Speaker 3: one you can do that just makes their thoughts happier.
Speaker 3: So if you have like a really depressed employee, you
Speaker 3: can be like, I'm gonna go teach you how to
Speaker 3: be happier ten percent more. And then they come back
Speaker 3: and they're like, I don't hate myself anymore, and that's great,
Speaker 3: Like good for you.
Speaker 2: I'm a good manager.
Speaker 3: You design all sorts of like decorations for the environment.
Speaker 3: And I even constructed like a playhouse that was like
Speaker 3: a dinosaur, and kids.
Speaker 2: Like went into like the butt of.
Speaker 3: The dinosaur because it's a toy and like play around
Speaker 3: in its stomach and then they slide down its tongue
Speaker 3: as a slide, And I was like, that's so fun.
Speaker 3: So I liked that part of it, but I didn't
Speaker 3: like the haunted one.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't even understand how that made sense
Speaker 2: to me. It's so funny because like obviously there was.
Speaker 3: To be silly and whimsical, so like I don't want
Speaker 3: to take it too seriously. But at some point when
Speaker 3: I was like trying to appease ghosts to be happy
Speaker 3: in my museum, I was like, no.
Speaker 2: You've lost me.
Speaker 4: Does it feel like if you had gone forward with
Speaker 4: that it would just be like other gimmick ones where
Speaker 4: it's like here's the Caveman Hospital, here's the you know, ninjas.
Speaker 3: I guess it was just getting sillier and sillier, and
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was going to be to a degree,
Speaker 3: a little bit more realistic. When I was younger, I
Speaker 3: remember playing ah a sim game where I constructed a
Speaker 3: dinosaur park, you know, like Jurassic Park, and I was
Speaker 3: the one doing it, and I had to make sure
Speaker 3: that the fences were high enough with the t Rex
Speaker 3: or they escape and they eat all your patrons.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is so sick.
Speaker 3: And it was like fun because it was obviously fantasy,
Speaker 3: but it was embedded in reality, like there was a
Speaker 3: there was a reality to it that you could actually
Speaker 3: believe that you could put a t Rex in your park,
Speaker 3: and there's a reality to this, you know, to this
Speaker 3: museum that I was like, oh no, I could actually
Speaker 3: send people on expeditions and like put these bones and
Speaker 3: decorate the rooms and people will pay me money to
Speaker 3: do it. There's no reality in which like I'm actually
Speaker 3: like appeasing ghosts and making people come to take photos
Speaker 3: of them in a room. So it just didn't I
Speaker 3: like got lost on that style of museum I wonder
Speaker 3: if I'm alone on that, but I did like the
Speaker 3: original museum, so yeah, so I played a shipping sim
Speaker 3: and a two point museum sim. Nice, thank you steam Deck.
Speaker 1: I want to get back to City Skylines two since they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that had a rough out of the gate.
Speaker 4: It was kind of rough, and yeah, I am curious
Speaker 4: who because like, I played enough of one to be
Speaker 4: excited for two, and then I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: this seems really like scaled back and kind of buggy
Speaker 4: and stuff. So that was a year or two years ago.
Speaker 4: Now that two came out, So yeah, I wonder where
Speaker 4: that's at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I like the first one. You could be
Speaker 1: trying to build a self sustaining, beautiful, great education, et
Speaker 1: cetera city, But then you could also at a certain
Speaker 1: point vier into like, oh, every single person who lives
Speaker 1: here is Fomka Johnson. And I like that flexibility because
Speaker 1: I want to try to do that in the second
Speaker 1: game as well. But I like that. The only game
Speaker 1: I played like those recently is frost Punk, and that's
Speaker 1: like the most bleak interpretation of that kind of game ever.
Speaker 4: I tried that. That's bleak is the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary, did you get a switch to you're playing
Speaker 1: Mario Kart.
Speaker 3: I did get a switch to. I played Mario Kart's
Speaker 3: Open World section. I also played through all of the
Speaker 3: Grand Prix and stuff Grand Prix just because you should, right,
Speaker 3: So I've played through every I've at least tried every
Speaker 3: hard level Grand Prix, you know, ace them all at
Speaker 3: number one throughout the board. But I kind of get
Speaker 3: bored playing that solo. And you know, I have lots
Speaker 3: of friends, but I wanted to play the open world.
Speaker 2: I wanted to play the open world.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, they have to be cool, and I
Speaker 3: actually thought the open world was really interesting. I there
Speaker 3: are these power ups throughout the open world that are
Speaker 3: super fun that if you hit them, it gives you
Speaker 3: a challenge, like go through all these rings within a
Speaker 3: certain amount of time.
Speaker 2: The peace switch missions, the peace switches. Yeah, I find
Speaker 2: those really fun.
Speaker 3: And I was enjoying doing those and just making sure
Speaker 3: because they're actually some of them are difficult, and some
Speaker 3: of them I had to like do like ten or
Speaker 3: fifteen times in order to get through them. But what
Speaker 3: I recognize is that each of them was actually teaching
Speaker 3: me a good skill that would be very beneficial for
Speaker 3: when I do have friends, and so I think that
Speaker 3: was like a nice bonus, was I was like learning skills.
Speaker 3: But in this like nice fun open world game, there's
Speaker 3: so many secrets in the open world too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it takes a bit of exploring too, because like
Speaker 4: I haven't done a ton of open world I've done
Speaker 4: a lot of Grand Prixs and like online Knockout Tour
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. But like I've done maybe an
Speaker 4: hour of just like driving around and maybe found like
Speaker 4: five piece switch missions, and it seems like there's a lot.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the number is, and you're not
Speaker 4: necessarily like you don't like stickers and things like that,
Speaker 4: there's hundreds.
Speaker 2: I found so many. I did it for like eight hours,
Speaker 2: and I did drive around.
Speaker 3: That's all I did was drive around and do pee
Speaker 3: Where have you been calling them? I've just been calling
Speaker 3: them switch missions. I've been calling them pee blocks, I
Speaker 3: think or something. Yeah, But they're they're fun and there's
Speaker 3: like a good challenge in them. So I've been doing
Speaker 3: them for a really long time. I've also been switching
Speaker 3: like the controller back and forth, and we would like
Speaker 3: play with another person and they would like try and
Speaker 3: beat my score, right and so there is like a
Speaker 3: competitive nature to it, but we're passing the steam jack
Speaker 3: back and forth, which I think is fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with that stuff, I have felt no
Speaker 4: real rush because I based on every other Mario card.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be playing this game for like the
Speaker 4: next eight to ten years until I make another one,
Speaker 4: and so I will have plenty of time between races
Speaker 4: to kind of drive around. So I haven't had like
Speaker 4: a lot of dedicated open world time, but it makes
Speaker 4: me happy to see, Like when I do go over
Speaker 4: the map, it's like, oh shit, there are like six
Speaker 4: Luigi costumes I don't have, and if I have her
Speaker 4: over this track, there's like a bunch of question mark
Speaker 4: blocks I haven't found. So like, I like the idea
Speaker 4: there just being something in the background for me to
Speaker 4: do for however long. Like again, I'm gonna keep playing
Speaker 4: this game, that stuff will always be in the background.
Speaker 4: So it is fun. Like the mechanics where it's like
Speaker 4: we're gonna teach you how to like wall ride and
Speaker 4: bounce between one wall ride to the next wall ride
Speaker 4: to get the peace Witch mission or whatever. So I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's some clever ones there. I still need to
Speaker 4: see a lot of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a very I did it have?
Speaker 3: Did any other correct me if I'm wrong? Did any
Speaker 3: other open car Mario Kart have an open world like
Speaker 3: this where you could just This felt like really shocking
Speaker 3: to me that they did this, And it's also all of.
Speaker 2: The different.
Speaker 3: Tracks stitched together, which is also like shocking, Like if
Speaker 3: you just keep driving, you'll be like, oh, I'm clearly
Speaker 3: on the main track that you know you start your
Speaker 3: Grand Prix on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're the toad Factory now, and now we're in
Speaker 4: like you know, the suburbs of toad Factory or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've stitched them all into like one large
Speaker 3: open world. It feels a little unfinished, like there's some
Speaker 3: strange decisions that were made in it. I still find
Speaker 3: it odd how much you can like easily get like
Speaker 3: power ups and speed bump speed power ups and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But there's no reason to go fast when
Speaker 3: you're just in the open world, So it feels unnecessary
Speaker 3: that there's that many power ups and like ways to boost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, getting inside a semi truck and it's boosting and
Speaker 4: stuff is like, well, I'm not in a race like
Speaker 4: those semi tracks don't show up during a Grand Prix.
Speaker 3: There's no reason to go fast unless you're you've done
Speaker 3: one of those power ups, and then you need to
Speaker 3: go fast because the game has told you to go
Speaker 3: fast for very specific section, but for everything else you're
Speaker 3: actually looking for secrets, which means you shouldn't be going
Speaker 3: too fast because you might miss them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've seen people complain about the open world stuff feeling empty,
Speaker 4: which I get it.
Speaker 3: There's not like a tone, there's no purpose, there's no
Speaker 3: purpose to running around in there.
Speaker 4: No, But like, I don't think I expected that much
Speaker 4: from it. I think it's a cool gimmick, but I
Speaker 4: didn't really see it as much more than that. We're like, oh,
Speaker 4: okay in the lobby instead of staring at a bunch
Speaker 4: of knees standing on the globe, I can like kind
Speaker 4: of drive around and fuck around like driving as far
Speaker 4: as that goes. Yeah, I'm happy with that. I don't
Speaker 4: think I was expecting more than that.
Speaker 3: Really, I agree, And I also think just if I
Speaker 3: can also say like similarly to like when Disney makes
Speaker 3: a sequel and everyone's like, well, I don't like that,
Speaker 3: that's not like what I remember, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: it's not for you anymore. I think there is an
Speaker 3: element to Mario Kart that isn't really for us anymore,
Speaker 3: these like experienced gamers that are like I need to
Speaker 3: like collect it all. It's actually for the whimsies of
Speaker 3: a child, and a kid would absolutely adore riding around
Speaker 3: casually in this open world, collecting things and being really powerful.
Speaker 3: And I could absolutely see giving this to like one
Speaker 3: of my young nieces and seeing like how delight delighted
Speaker 3: they would be just driving around endlessly and having fun.
Speaker 4: Oh if I was seven and this came out, I
Speaker 4: would have that entire continent mapped out, like I would
Speaker 4: know every latitude and longitude to that place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's successful in that way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've enjoyed it x It has been.
Speaker 3: I add it to three out of my four cozy
Speaker 3: games that I've been playing in the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: because it's like, there ain't nothing more cozy than just
Speaker 3: driving around aimlessly, like looking for secrets and doing like
Speaker 3: little short stint puzzles when you feel like it.
Speaker 1: Totally. Speaking of Wall Driving, Dan, you've been playing Tony
Speaker 1: Hawk's pro Skater three and four.
Speaker 4: What remax yeah, yeah, three and four are remix Are
Speaker 4: you two Tony Hawk people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not like die Hard, but I appreciate them and
Speaker 1: enjoy them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mary, I think that's also my alley.
Speaker 3: I mean I grew up with them as well, but
Speaker 3: I was never like a die hard, but gosh, I
Speaker 3: mean the tracks, like the musical tracks were always so
Speaker 3: important to me growing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 4: There are there's maybe it's just because I'm older, but
Speaker 4: like some people's gotten Bit by the Bug really hard,
Speaker 4: and Tony Hawk is like on that top top tier
Speaker 4: of gaming history and I'm definitely in that category. And
Speaker 4: so for the Mes and Grubs of the World and Minaudi,
Speaker 4: it's just like, Okay, this is like this might as
Speaker 4: well be like Mario sixty four levels of like importance,
Speaker 4: you know. And I was sell in bank today. I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, the number one game that if
Speaker 4: I just hear sounds from it makes my brain just
Speaker 4: fireworks are going off of my brain.
Speaker 1: It's Tony Hawk.
Speaker 4: That's serious, Like it's just one of the most beautiful
Speaker 4: feeling games of all time. And so that's why it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they are just remakes. I guess we want to boil
Speaker 4: it down to that, but to be able to play
Speaker 4: these games refresh better graphics, you know, on the go
Speaker 4: with modern consoles and stuff like that, which you know,
Speaker 4: I've gone back to Tony Hawk Prestcator three a million times.
Speaker 4: Anytime I get something that can play PS two on it,
Speaker 4: the first game I try is Tony Hawk three and
Speaker 4: to have like, oh my god, I'm doing this again,
Speaker 4: which is fun every fucking time, but it looks better.
Speaker 4: There's bonus goals, there's like, you know, it doesn't add
Speaker 4: a ton in terms of just pure content, but I'm
Speaker 4: never not smiling if I'm playing a Tonyawk game. I'm
Speaker 4: just fucking thrilled. And people complain about the four stuff
Speaker 4: because the original release of four had like an open
Speaker 4: world thing where you walked up to NPCs and except
Speaker 4: missions and blah blah blah. It was a big controversy
Speaker 4: with hardcore fans. I don't mind. I actually really liked
Speaker 4: the two minute thing from one, two, and three, So
Speaker 4: just boiling four down to the two minute stuff does
Speaker 4: not bother me at all. Iron Galaxy the new missions
Speaker 4: like the water park and stuff like it just fantastic.
Speaker 4: Or new maps they've been great, and another complaint has
Speaker 4: been the soundtrack, because like, only a handful of tracks
Speaker 4: are back from three and four, and I think they
Speaker 4: got the ones that, like, they didn't have Asis Phades,
Speaker 4: they didn't have Dell, the punky Homo sapien. I would
Speaker 4: have been like, well, those are like, you know, those
Speaker 4: are the ones. They have those, And then they have
Speaker 4: a bunch of like more modern songs that really fit
Speaker 4: the tone of Tony Hawk, and I'm thrilled. I'm just
Speaker 4: thrilled playing. I got it on switched to the first
Speaker 4: night I beat the game and didn't like almost like
Speaker 4: every goal. I didn't do all the pro goals. But
Speaker 4: then I was like, ah, it's kind of crashing a
Speaker 4: lot on the Switch version. So I got it again
Speaker 4: on PS five and now I'm about to beat it
Speaker 4: on PS five, Like I will just keep beating this
Speaker 4: game and playing it over and over and over again
Speaker 4: and loving it. If you are going to play on Switch,
Speaker 4: I will give the caveat that if you're playing a
Speaker 4: handheld and you're not an analog stick pervert, which if
Speaker 4: you are playing Tony Hawk with an analog stick, you're
Speaker 4: a pervert. The dpad stuff is not great on the
Speaker 4: Switch handheld just because it's those four buttons and like
Speaker 4: that PlayStation dpad is what I want for Tony Hawk.
Speaker 4: And it did crash, like the first time I played
Speaker 4: on switch to it crashed like five or six times
Speaker 4: in one sitting. That's a problem. I'm sure that will
Speaker 4: get patched out. I'm sure that'll be fine. And it
Speaker 4: did run well when it was working, so I think
Speaker 4: that'll be a non su maybe by the time this
Speaker 4: podcast goes up, but no, I'm probably gonna maine the
Speaker 4: game on PS five right now. It's fantastic. They nailed
Speaker 4: the feel of it. They've tried this before, they did
Speaker 4: the Tony Auks first Getter HD and the feel wasn't right.
Speaker 4: And anyone who plays Tony Hawk knows immediately if the
Speaker 4: feel is right. And they have totally nailed the feel.
Speaker 4: And I love it. I absolutely fucking love it. Tony
Speaker 4: Hawk's one of the best series of all time.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't go wrong.
Speaker 3: That's so cool, and it's glad that it brings you
Speaker 3: back like those amazing feelings of nostalgia.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: There's probably nothing better when you do a remake than
Speaker 3: not messing with the original guts too much. So that
Speaker 3: people could just enjoy what they loved when they were kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I'm about to find out with Snake Eater,
Speaker 4: because that remax coming up and I'm about to start
Speaker 4: playing it. Probably in an episode or two, I'll be
Speaker 4: talking about it. And I already went on a trip
Speaker 4: and played it, and it's like, Okay, you didn't fuck
Speaker 4: with it. What I've seen, they didn't fuck with it,
Speaker 4: and like that's the way to do a classic. It's like,
Speaker 4: don't try to do your own spin on this thing
Speaker 4: that everyone loves because people are going to fucking push
Speaker 4: back on that. Just make it look better, make it
Speaker 4: control better. Like that's that's a great remake grid there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then like Resume will one remake, but also
Speaker 1: remakes fly in the face of that.
Speaker 2: Those are mostly like quality of life upgrades though right.
Speaker 1: Like no Resume Will one remake is a complex resumele
Speaker 1: remake is a complete overhaul, and it's those games like
Speaker 1: the last twenty years.
Speaker 4: But the thing is like our stuff is still like
Speaker 4: the people who are in charge of are making it,
Speaker 4: you know, with like Iron Galaxy is not never soft,
Speaker 4: you know, current Konami is not Kajima. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 4: like I think, if you were not the people that
Speaker 4: were in charge of it originally, just be faithful and
Speaker 4: make it look better and play better. Don't try to
Speaker 4: do like we got a better idea for snake Eater.
Speaker 1: You know, yep, no, I get that, Uh Mary? What
Speaker 1: is quickly? Block Blast? Talk about it? Quickly?
Speaker 2: Super quickly block blast? You guys into phone games movie.
Speaker 3: Block Blast is Tetris with a little bit of puzzle
Speaker 3: and crack.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like, it's like all three of those things, but instead
Speaker 3: of doing it fast, you think about your moves and
Speaker 3: you place them strategically for the highest score.
Speaker 2: It is addictive and I can.
Speaker 3: Play it on a plane while it's taking off on
Speaker 3: my phone.
Speaker 2: And that's why I got really into it.
Speaker 3: I asked my boss what their kids love the most
Speaker 3: on the phone, and she was like, everybody's talking about
Speaker 3: block Blasts, and I was like, bet, And so I
Speaker 3: downloaded this game and it is It is a modern
Speaker 3: puzzle Tetris crack and I know we like Tetris, so
Speaker 3: it's the same mechanics, it's the same pieces.
Speaker 1: D take away.
Speaker 3: I'm telling yeah, Dan, remember.
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, in our next one hundred best games of all time.
Speaker 3: Block Blast is going to beat Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater,
Speaker 3: so you should probably play this that you can be
Speaker 3: prepared for the argument block Blast, All right, that's bad
Speaker 3: for mobile game.
Speaker 1: You guys want to talk about emails? Yeah, the concept?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about emails.
Speaker 4: Can a pigeons? No audio listeners you're missing? You should
Speaker 4: go to Patren. Oh boy, this is worth it alone.
Speaker 4: Oh he's doing tongue stuff. Oh god, look at him.
Speaker 2: Go oh god, technically that's Mary doing that.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
Speaker 3: Ron Falangie, Regina Goon, Ginaon.
Speaker 1: I love it. It notified Marry that changed the name.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Dan saw it.
Speaker 4: I see it now, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw both of them.
Speaker 3: I just tried to muscle my way through one fucking
Speaker 3: game without you guys taking it up with all your.
Speaker 1: As you know you're not Yes, I gotta go pee, okay.
Speaker 1: As always, you can write into Fire's cap pass at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com with comments, questions, concerns. We'll take all
Speaker 1: them into account. Thank you to a lot of people
Speaker 1: who wrote in last episode. I had been talking about
Speaker 1: a game that I could not for the life of me. Remember,
Speaker 1: I remember I played it during twenty nineteen or twenty
Speaker 1: or twenty one. It was very vague, but I gave
Speaker 1: general mechanical memories about it, and it was in fact indivisible.
Speaker 1: If you have not played it, look it up. It's
Speaker 1: very inspired by And this might have thrown some people
Speaker 1: because I said it was turn based. It's inspired by
Speaker 1: Valkyrie Profile, which is like half like not quite clear
Speaker 1: obscure levels, but sort of real time, sort of turn based,
Speaker 1: sort of Final Fantasy six. So that might have been
Speaker 1: with threw people off. But it was indivisible. And the
Speaker 1: reason I could not find it is because I was
Speaker 1: going through my Steam library game by game, when in
Speaker 1: fact I owned it in my PlayStation library. I don't
Speaker 1: do it. But that's Firescape past at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody who wrote in. I kind of
Speaker 1: jumped the gun on the beginning of this, Mary, But
Speaker 1: do you want to read this first one from Alice.
Speaker 3: Hi, Guys, just letting you know that the game Mike
Speaker 3: is talking about sounds like indivisible to me anyways, since
Speaker 3: I'm writing in anyway, if you had to turn a
Speaker 3: music video into a game, what would you choose Alice.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alice.
Speaker 4: Black Hole Sun Sound Garden, Woh what would the game up?
Speaker 4: It scared the shit out of me as a kid.
Speaker 4: It's like the spookiest vibe I've ever seen from a
Speaker 4: music video. If you haven't seen it, it's a lot
Speaker 4: of like the world is like like the black hole sun,
Speaker 4: the sun is turning into a black hole, and it's
Speaker 4: a bunch of people in the suburbs looking up and.
Speaker 2: Like bumpies or something, and they're like into it.
Speaker 4: Like it's a lot of like, oh, ladies doing laundry,
Speaker 4: and she looks up and sees the world's ending, and
Speaker 4: like the face contorts like crazy, And it was the
Speaker 4: face contorting stuff that just fucked me up as a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh god, I'm looking at that picture right now, the
Speaker 4: lady chopping a fish.
Speaker 1: Paper Boy sixty four vibes. Yeah, it's real fucked up.
Speaker 1: And it was just like the.
Speaker 4: Very dramatically negative apocalypse stuff and then people just like
Speaker 4: smiling super huge. As a kid, I was like, this
Speaker 4: is fucking crazy, really scariest, like that tone I would love.
Speaker 1: I really liked the I don't know which one would,
Speaker 1: but but sorry you have answered like half of it Oh,
Speaker 1: what was the other part, Well, not really if you
Speaker 1: had to turn a music video into a game, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I was just thinking a horror game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or maybe like a weird open world game where
Speaker 4: I don't know, the blood moon shows up and everyone
Speaker 4: freaks the fuck out or something.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the music video for Christopher Walking in Fat.
Speaker 4: Boy Slim's musical yeah, dancing weapon of choice choice.
Speaker 1: Thank You, when he's going up and down that hotel
Speaker 1: the escalator. I'm trying to think of, like how you
Speaker 1: could turn that into it. I remember that was like
Speaker 1: the early not the earliest, but I remember that video
Speaker 1: game like it was one of those weird things my
Speaker 1: dad got obsessed with, Like he had come up with
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking. They're probably the same age, i'd say similar,
Speaker 1: so like to him to see Christopher walkin doing that
Speaker 1: and my dad was not super into this. British DJ
Speaker 1: was very funny to him, so he watched that music
Speaker 1: video I have to say, twice a week for like
Speaker 1: a decade. Well that was the thing.
Speaker 4: Is like, at that point, Walking was not a full
Speaker 4: meme yet, Like now, I feel like Christopher Walking is
Speaker 4: so memified and everything like that. He was a very
Speaker 4: respected actor. Hey, people would do impressions of him, for sure,
Speaker 4: and they do. They're talking and you know all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But like if there's something around the mid to late
Speaker 4: nineties where it's like he got the cow Bell sketch,
Speaker 4: you got the fat Boy Slim video, that's where it's
Speaker 4: like he became like and like the Internet was becoming
Speaker 4: a thing. He became kind of this internet darling almost
Speaker 4: early meme thing, you know. And I think Weapon of
Speaker 4: Choice is a big part of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess to your point, if he didn't now
Speaker 1: it'd be like, oh, he's off doing his thing, he's
Speaker 1: a wacky guy. Yeah, no, no, that's that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I just remember, I don't know that I've ever loved
Speaker 1: anything the way my dad loved that music video. And
Speaker 1: you guys have met my dad brief wife. Well, no anything,
Speaker 1: not anybody, anybody? Oh okay, I can't Yeah, ar Marines, what.
Speaker 2: Fuck Amanda, he doesn't love you?
Speaker 1: I textenter none of my favorite I'm an ally, I
Speaker 1: love my wife, she's my favorite. Gangdam style would be
Speaker 1: a sick I.
Speaker 3: Fucking brought that up, and we were like looking these
Speaker 3: up ahead of time, just to make sure we had
Speaker 3: something in our heads. GANDAM Style would be an absolute
Speaker 3: diabolical video game. It would just probably be like a
Speaker 3: bunch of stupid mini games like can you walk you
Speaker 3: know through this like high wind tunnel, you know, without getting.
Speaker 2: Too much garbage on you.
Speaker 3: It would be so funny, likes such a stupid it
Speaker 3: would remind me of uh not, I think.
Speaker 2: You should leave.
Speaker 3: What's that stupid British game that's cartoon that we all
Speaker 3: thought was really funny?
Speaker 1: I think yes, yes, yes, it was Fanda.
Speaker 3: I think it would be like that. It would be
Speaker 3: like stupid shit happening in many micro games.
Speaker 4: Oh, I got one? Okay YouTube are I'm going to
Speaker 4: feel old here? Green Jello, three little pigs.
Speaker 1: And you know this? You do? Yeah? How do you
Speaker 1: know that?
Speaker 2: I have to google that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got it. I've got fucking I'm
Speaker 1: the youngest of in a family of seven. If my
Speaker 1: parents like it.
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with this video. It's a claymation video
Speaker 4: from like probably like nineteen ninety two, and it's just
Speaker 4: about like the wolf blowing down like from the hair
Speaker 4: my Tritney tinchin and it was all these clamation pigs
Speaker 4: and stuff, and it was this weird metal band and
Speaker 4: I wanted to buy the CD but there was a
Speaker 4: song called shit Man on it and my mom was like,
Speaker 4: probably you're like eight, you shouldn't buy this, but yeah,
Speaker 4: full on clamation weird like two adult version of a
Speaker 4: fable like Kids Fabled, that'd be cool.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: If we wanted to do story based right, like a
Speaker 3: game that we think would have like a really valuable
Speaker 3: story to tell but still be really fun to play.
Speaker 3: I think One by Metallica is one of the most
Speaker 3: incredible music videos of all time. One is a really
Speaker 3: long song, right, like it's like over seven minutes long.
Speaker 3: The music video depicts basically like the horrors of war,
Speaker 3: and so it's like showing someone who's like been through
Speaker 3: a lot of the problems in World War One and
Speaker 3: their PTSD and they actually I think they have like
Speaker 3: most of their arms and legs and.
Speaker 2: Like face shot on my.
Speaker 3: Line, yeah, yes, and they're like all fucked up and
Speaker 3: they're like in the music video, they're basically like kill me,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to be here, ayre. I think
Speaker 3: that there's like cinematic elements of that that would be
Speaker 3: like Gangbusters in a video game to explain the horrors
Speaker 3: of war. I don't think we accurately do that super well,
Speaker 3: but I do think there's games that depicts war in the.
Speaker 4: SAPs the line. What what are you laughing at that?
Speaker 2: I laugh because I laugh because Mike laughed, and his name.
Speaker 1: Is most Edged Lord. Like this game like says something.
Speaker 4: Specps the line, and that was a fucking bold game.
Speaker 1: I agree what you laughed, I don't line is an
Speaker 1: interesting game. I agree the way you said it was
Speaker 1: just find of darkness. Yeah, Joseph Conrad all that Apocalypse Now.
Speaker 3: Okay, Apocalypse Now is like one of my favorite movies
Speaker 3: of all time, and I think, like, I think that's
Speaker 3: not a.
Speaker 4: Wait, what's his fucking face, Mike, It's maybe my favorite
Speaker 4: movie of all time? What face?
Speaker 1: I love the movie. I love the movie.
Speaker 2: Making fun of us.
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of you. I like that movie.
Speaker 2: You think you're so fucking great?
Speaker 4: Well, I got a post for bark was now outside
Speaker 4: this door. Box got a poster in her office. I
Speaker 4: like the problem.
Speaker 1: We love that move now. I thought speck Ops was great.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: What do you know about war?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you haven't seen a gun. He's got PTSD. Oh no,
Speaker 2: the horror, Oh god, the horror.
Speaker 1: They're in the trees.
Speaker 3: I think that a six story based game. I think
Speaker 3: if we're talking about gameplay right, like visually, this music
Speaker 3: video would probably make for some sick gameplay. Save seven
Speaker 3: Nation Army by White Stripes would make the best thumper
Speaker 3: level of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally Yeah. I wanted to mention this email and
Speaker 1: I cannot speak to the quality of this. However, do
Speaker 1: you guys subscribe to the newsletter Simon at Game Discover Code? No,
Speaker 1: really intelligent dude, like breaking down like why certain game? Mary,
Speaker 1: You'd love it. I'll send it to you. Why certain games? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he like Dan.
Speaker 2: There's a finger painting that I think you would absolutely love.
Speaker 1: My niece, did this like turkey hand thing that you
Speaker 1: would put on your Yeah? Okay, Simon Carlos does a
Speaker 1: newsletter that's really good. You both like it, but marry
Speaker 1: because you like combed Steam for unique indie games all
Speaker 1: the time. There's a game called Dead as Disco. There's
Speaker 1: a demo available supposedly this game blew up on Steam.
Speaker 1: I think I want to say, like a month ago,
Speaker 1: two months ago, just says coming soon. You can upload
Speaker 1: any song you want to the game, and then the
Speaker 1: game will put you in a music video where you
Speaker 1: are like Seafu fighting people to the song. I have
Speaker 1: not played it myself. Apparently it's red. So you upload
Speaker 1: any song you want. So you could put Weapon of Choice.
Speaker 1: You could put Baby one More Time, you could put
Speaker 1: seven Nation Army, you could put Dan what what video
Speaker 1: do you put black hole son and you'll fight through
Speaker 1: this like and I get yes, there's like rhythm aspects,
Speaker 1: but like apparently the game adjusts. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it does it.
Speaker 4: E of the Ludacrous video where you had the really
Speaker 4: big hands, you have the big hole cans get back
Speaker 4: and he was get back and then yeah yeah and
Speaker 4: ever as well he was big like word of mouth,
Speaker 4: you had the big head and then get back you
Speaker 4: had the big hands. Ludacris is big on the big
Speaker 4: hand gimmicks stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, but I don't know. Check out
Speaker 1: try the try the uh Martial Arts music video and
Speaker 1: Dennis Disco Neon drench beat him up where every punch
Speaker 1: kick and comos to the music. So yeah, you can
Speaker 1: supposedly upload I don't think I'm making this all up.
Speaker 4: People are making rematch Emig.
Speaker 1: Boss's Belly from Baandleis with killer move in your own
Speaker 1: sing sure tracks and you're no. There's a demo available though,
Speaker 1: add your own custom songs and fight endlessly in our arena.
Speaker 1: Infinite disco solar co op.
Speaker 2: That's a neat concept, bright to music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool. I don't know. Try it out.
Speaker 2: Let's to put K pop demon Hunters in it?
Speaker 3: Eh?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Okay? Well, Dan, do you want to read this one?
Speaker 1: Thank you Alice. By the way, Dan, do you want
Speaker 1: to read this one from Dustin? Yes.
Speaker 4: I have always been a person who loves the quiet life,
Speaker 4: just enjoying my video games, books and shows. In the
Speaker 4: past six years, that has completely changed when we had
Speaker 4: our first baby, alpaca.
Speaker 1: I'll send you to the photos though, please.
Speaker 4: We found out soon after his birth there is a
Speaker 4: whole national show system where alpacas are judged on their
Speaker 4: fiber quality in body confirmation. This is life changing for
Speaker 4: us and we are now part of our state Alpaca
Speaker 4: Association board and we go to multiple shows each year
Speaker 4: with our alpacas. I've said outpaca a lot more than
Speaker 4: they usually do.
Speaker 1: I love this so much.
Speaker 4: I am actually in the ring with the judges assisting them.
Speaker 4: This has completely changed my life from being introverted and
Speaker 4: anxious to becoming more extroverted, though the anxiety is still there.
Speaker 4: Now my question, what exotic animal would you like to
Speaker 4: devote your time towards if there was a humane show
Speaker 4: system for them from Dustin? Wow, Dustin, that's a whole.
Speaker 4: That's a saga. That's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Look at the photos. Yeah, look at the photos in
Speaker 1: that discord. I just saw you the phone. Look at
Speaker 1: that last one. That's a cute animal. That's good. Oh,
Speaker 1: I get that. I would. I mean, I'm fairly outgoing
Speaker 1: to like the fact that they kind of brought you
Speaker 1: out of that sphere is even more emboldening. That's great.
Speaker 1: Good for you. Very glad to hear that. I love that.
Speaker 4: I love hearing about Like, oh, here's the like I
Speaker 4: found this key that unlocked, Like, oh, I've always been
Speaker 4: missing shy or whatever, and now it's like I found
Speaker 4: my thing and now we're cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not pacas for him. They are cool looking.
Speaker 1: I don't know pacas might. Looking at these photos, I
Speaker 1: think mine's al Pakas.
Speaker 4: But I'm coming around cats exact. I know they're not exotic,
Speaker 4: but I don't know how much.
Speaker 1: I talked about cats are exotic. They're weird.
Speaker 4: I am very fascinated by how weird cats are.
Speaker 1: It's my first real cat.
Speaker 2: The cat family.
Speaker 1: Cats are the Kojima of pets.
Speaker 4: They're just fucking weirdos. He was fucking drinking from the
Speaker 4: dog's water bowl this morning, and I was just curious
Speaker 4: because he reacts everything weird, and I put an ice
Speaker 4: cube in the bowl and it just broke his fucking
Speaker 4: It's just he stopped drinking and he was just looking
Speaker 4: at like what the fuck. He takes like both pause,
Speaker 4: He's like what the fuck is this and like investigating it.
Speaker 4: I love this fucking dude so much. Like Boss is
Speaker 4: great and like it's interesting because, like you know, he's
Speaker 4: not like we have two cavalier dogs and so they're
Speaker 4: always just well gizmos, always like.
Speaker 1: Oh love me, love me, look at me.
Speaker 4: And Boss is just like when he wants it, he
Speaker 4: is like please pet me, like I love this. I'll perr.
Speaker 4: I'm just like I love this. But the second he's
Speaker 4: not into it, it's like a fuck off and he
Speaker 4: will just go stare at a wall for two hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love how.
Speaker 4: Weird he is.
Speaker 1: They're such strange animals, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love it, I get it. Love bos.
Speaker 1: They've carried over such weird jungle behavior that they haven't forgotten.
Speaker 1: Like dogs and cats are so intelligent in their own ways.
Speaker 1: Like dogs are intelligent in ways that make them so
Speaker 1: it's easy to look at the way a dog acts
Speaker 1: around us, and it's easy for us to project our
Speaker 1: intelligence onto them. She's like, yeah, they get how I live.
Speaker 1: They get like how they they form into our lifestyle,
Speaker 1: and they understand what we're going for and they kind
Speaker 1: of like mold themselves to meet that. Cats are doing
Speaker 1: their own thing and they're so curious in a way
Speaker 1: that it's like they're like, what is this ice cube
Speaker 1: up to? What the fuck is going on here? I
Speaker 1: don't know if I trust this thing. I'm going to
Speaker 1: check it out. I'll report back to the hive in
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like dogs can't hide their emotions, like
Speaker 4: Gizmo is NonStop just like oh hey, hey, I want
Speaker 4: some pats and stuff. Oh I want this, I want this,
Speaker 4: and boss, Like they can't express emotions really, like it's
Speaker 4: so so different and having them both in the same
Speaker 4: place is fascinating.
Speaker 3: Very different in my brief experience with cats, I feel
Speaker 3: like dogs are so emotionally intelligent, and if I'm sick
Speaker 3: or if I'm upset, my dog knows even more than
Speaker 3: normal to sit in my lap and just hang out
Speaker 3: with me and give me lots of cuds because he
Speaker 3: knows I'm upset. What the cat I was growing up
Speaker 3: with must have been like either there, that's like a
Speaker 3: normal cat, or mine was like on like the spectrum.
Speaker 3: He like could not process emotion at all, and if
Speaker 3: I wasn't having a good day, he was like, that's
Speaker 3: not my fucking problem.
Speaker 2: And I don't really give a shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had all the like sinus shit in the
Speaker 4: last year or so, and like you know, I've had
Speaker 4: a couple of procedures and been laid up for a
Speaker 4: few days, and both times it's like Gizmo has been like, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be with you dad, even though it's not
Speaker 4: our normal time. I'm gonna go under the covers and stuff,
Speaker 4: and he's just curling up under my arm and being
Speaker 4: like extra sweet like dogs like it. It feels like
Speaker 4: bullshit to say it, but like it really does feel
Speaker 4: like they can tell how you're feeling in it just accordingly,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think O mut did.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry our cat. Yeah. I think cats are more
Speaker 1: Dogs are way more outgoing, and I think they're more
Speaker 1: like eager to earn your appreciation by showing you that
Speaker 1: they understand how you're feeling. I would say our cats
Speaker 1: do that too, and like Amanda sick, Luna like curls
Speaker 1: up on her arm the two I had before we met.
Speaker 1: They also like kind of sleep near me when I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling well. But yeah, there's a difference though. Dogs
Speaker 1: are just so outright, like all I care about today
Speaker 1: is making you feel better. Yes, yeah. Cats are like
Speaker 1: this is all I care about for like ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well, I want to be over
Speaker 1: here now my friends. My friends are doing something.
Speaker 2: I got you I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting difference, but I think they're both
Speaker 3: valuable in their own right. And I also I do
Speaker 3: agree with you, like there's something really nice about watching
Speaker 3: an animal learn it in real time, and cats are
Speaker 3: really passionate about learning and figuring things out and solving crime.
Speaker 2: I don't think that my dog wants to solve anything.
Speaker 2: I don't think they care.
Speaker 4: It's it's so funny saying like like, let's say a
Speaker 4: package is left at the front door. Razor will see it,
Speaker 4: and Short there's freaking out because something's different. And then
Speaker 4: Gizmo from another room will be like, oh, this seems
Speaker 4: like an emergency, and he'll run up and he'll start screaming,
Speaker 4: and Boss will just be sitting there, does not give
Speaker 4: a fuck, will barely be bothered to open his eyes,
Speaker 4: just like these fucking idiots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cats. Cats are like, it's cat's world. We're
Speaker 1: all just living in it us and love. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: respect it. I have so much respect for Boss. I
Speaker 1: think we're anyway.
Speaker 3: I think a would probably be like, yeah, exactly, it
Speaker 3: would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Monkey, A flamingo would be real good.
Speaker 4: I think monkey, like what is the chimpanzees that are
Speaker 4: the main like little ones that hop around.
Speaker 1: Chimpanzees are the ones with the long arms. I can
Speaker 1: tear you apart.
Speaker 4: But I mean that's like when you picture like the
Speaker 4: little fun guys that go around and.
Speaker 1: Lankey Kongs a chimpanzee, he's the long I don't want
Speaker 1: to wrong, that's Lanky Kong's not allowed in my house.
Speaker 1: He's a chimpanzee. The ones you're thinking of, I think
Speaker 1: are the diddy kongs, which are more the like spider
Speaker 1: monkeys or just monkeys, oh little dudes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but I also I really felt strongly about
Speaker 4: how I needed to own a monkey before I was fifty.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people have had that base.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've seen some documentaries and as I've learned
Speaker 4: more about Monty, I've abandoned that dream. I've seen Nope. Yes,
Speaker 4: but I also watch a what project nim was the
Speaker 4: thing about the people in the seventies that tried to
Speaker 4: raise a monkey as a pet and it didn't go well.
Speaker 1: That's what it's based on it or inspired by it.
Speaker 3: In this In this like example, it talks about how
Speaker 3: it's important that it's humane and that the animals treated well.
Speaker 2: Can they also not kill you? Like could it be
Speaker 2: like a black bear?
Speaker 3: Because it would be really fun to have like black
Speaker 3: bears and like we all hang out, but I don't
Speaker 3: want them to rip me to shreds.
Speaker 1: Ah, I know, I don't know. I think alpacas are
Speaker 1: like not dangerous creatures, so like I would say, like
Speaker 1: an Arctic fox, with. I know people who have owned
Speaker 1: Arctic foxes who like look gorgeous, but they have they
Speaker 1: do have to still live like in the backyard under
Speaker 1: the like they need a shelter in the backyard. They
Speaker 1: can't live inside there. I have.
Speaker 2: The key on stuff.
Speaker 1: They're just that I don't mentally, I don't think they
Speaker 1: can be inside.
Speaker 2: Because they'll eat the baby.
Speaker 4: When I worked at the movie theater, there was a
Speaker 4: fucking guy that had in his pocket like a sugar squirrel,
Speaker 4: sugar sugar glider, and so it's.
Speaker 1: Like he throws his enemy basis for him exactly. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he would, like.
Speaker 6: He'd be working the concession you see. It's it's a
Speaker 6: man first persons. A man's in it, yeah, right, sugar glider.
Speaker 6: But it's this dude who lost his wife. It's in
Speaker 6: the body.
Speaker 2: Forty hours into the game. It's like he's like, kill me.
Speaker 2: I went to the world and your friend has a
Speaker 2: right like what I saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, oh the trauma.
Speaker 4: Anyway, this fucking dude would be working the concession stand
Speaker 4: for like four hours and then he would get his
Speaker 4: fifteen minute shitty break and then you go up there and
Speaker 4: be like, check out my fucking squirrel thing that lives
Speaker 4: in my pocket and we don't be in the break room, Like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck? This guy's been in new pocket the
Speaker 4: whole time, and he would showhim up and he had
Speaker 4: like the crazy flying squirrel arm. And it's weird that
Speaker 4: they could just live in a pocket all time. I
Speaker 4: feel like there has to be some sort of weird Uh,
Speaker 4: this isn't humane.
Speaker 1: That should tell him not to do that.
Speaker 4: That like, wh'm just living in an AMC uniforms pocket
Speaker 4: for many, many hours a day is weird to me.
Speaker 4: But it was still like, Man, that guy seems cool.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you didn't stay in touch with said man. No,
Speaker 1: not this guy. Yeah, so I wondered, Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: what's going on with the shut sugar glider is a
Speaker 1: good answer too. I would like a sugar lighter. I
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 3: I worry that it's not. I mean, readers can obviously
Speaker 3: correct me. I feel like most of the time when
Speaker 3: I've seen someone who owns a sugar glider, the sugar
Speaker 3: lighter doesn't seem that stoked because they're nocturnal, and so
Speaker 3: most of the time instinct you're kind of going against
Speaker 3: the animal's instincts having it, but maybe there's like a
Speaker 3: way to do it really humanly where everybody's like stoked
Speaker 3: to be there.
Speaker 2: But like the benefit of an l paca is like.
Speaker 3: It's already very domesticated and wants to chill and like
Speaker 3: casually eat next to you. That seems like a good
Speaker 3: animal that you can bond with and have fun with
Speaker 3: without harming its natural instincts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was always skeptical, Like, you know, you'd be
Speaker 4: at a party in college and somebody just brings a
Speaker 4: fucking giant snake and it's like the snake wants to
Speaker 4: be here near all this jungle juice and ship in a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have like a parrot, and it's just like,
Speaker 2: is this parrot?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take it over the guy who brings the
Speaker 4: acoustic guitar to the party, but not by much the snakes.
Speaker 1: Like, let's do some shots.
Speaker 4: Okay, Look, I would take a shot with a snake.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really really really don't like snakes, and I've
Speaker 1: tried my whole life to get over it. I don't
Speaker 1: like them.
Speaker 4: Have you done the thing? What's the deal with cats
Speaker 4: where it's like put a cucumber behind him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 3: Think it's a snake, and they don't like it. It's
Speaker 3: gonna scare them generally, like it's an instinctual right behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might scare them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't like snakes. Well, thank you, Dustin.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we answer your question. All right, I'll read the
Speaker 1: last one from Rachel, who's written in before Hello. All,
Speaker 1: I have been on a weight loss journey starting in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and have now hit seventy six pounds lost.
Speaker 4: Jesus.
Speaker 1: I've been watching calories, protein and how many servings and
Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables I'm getting. I feel like I'm getting
Speaker 1: to the point where I need to start exercising, but
Speaker 1: I'm not finding the motivation. I work ten hour shifts,
Speaker 1: eight days in a row on night shift, so for example,
Speaker 1: six pm to four am. Maybe a nurse, a nurse
Speaker 1: or a.
Speaker 4: Medica god, so I'm six pm to four am.
Speaker 1: That's I'm assuming if it's like my siblings, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: eight days on, eight days off. Not that that makes
Speaker 1: it easier. I'm just saying maybe a nurse. I don't know.
Speaker 1: My free time between work hours is sleeping, obviously, cooking food,
Speaker 1: spot cleaned the house, to keep it presentable and playing
Speaker 1: maybe an hour of video games. Charle tried all the
Speaker 1: quote unquote hacks. Place out your exercise clothes, schedule your workout,
Speaker 1: set a timer, and if you want to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: So far, nothing has worked because I just talk myself
Speaker 1: out of it. I used to bodybuild my early twenties
Speaker 1: and got so burnt out it harmed my relationship with food.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to take everything extremely slow and not
Speaker 1: find myself back up in my heaviest weight. Honestly, any
Speaker 1: offbeat advice will be nice. I have a bench, adjustable weights,
Speaker 1: resistance bands, a treadmill, and a sweet dog to walk.
Speaker 1: I'm just lacking the motivation. Please, please, please, any advice
Speaker 1: would be greatly appreciated. That's Rachel from Michigan. I figured
Speaker 1: this would be good for us. We're not health experts,
Speaker 1: but we all like at one point or another, training
Speaker 1: for marathons, weightlifting, trying different workout routines, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: I figured, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4: Like with the exercise stuff, I've always found that the
Speaker 4: thing that matters the most is that you're actually enjoying it,
Speaker 4: because like if you're just doing like going through the motions.
Speaker 4: You show up at the gym and just like I
Speaker 4: should probably do this, and I would probably do that,
Speaker 4: Like doesn't really work.
Speaker 1: You need to have an actual plan.
Speaker 4: So last year, the marathon stuff really worked well for
Speaker 4: me because I did two half marathons last year and
Speaker 4: that is is a strict schedule and it's like if
Speaker 4: you don't follow this schedule, you're not going to be
Speaker 4: able to do the thing. And so this year I
Speaker 4: tried to do a full marathon, signed up for it,
Speaker 4: and I was training for it, and you know, in
Speaker 4: the last like week or two, it's just like shit,
Speaker 4: I mean it had been more than two weeks that
Speaker 4: the pain had been happening, but like my shin splints
Speaker 4: and shit were like not good and everything I was seeing,
Speaker 4: like I was seeing physical therapist and they're like give
Speaker 4: it a week or two break or whatever. And then
Speaker 4: it's like you try to go back to it. It's like, well, shit,
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to run fourteen miles on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I can't fucking do that.
Speaker 4: So I had it sucks, I had to stop, and
Speaker 4: so it's like I'm not running the marathon, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing that this year. So I'm pivoting, and
Speaker 4: I think where I'm at now because I'm writing that
Speaker 4: kind of transitional period now where I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: like figure out a different way to do this, and
Speaker 4: I'm trying to work out every morning right now. And
Speaker 4: the thing that works for me is when I wake up,
Speaker 4: all I want to do is go back to bed.
Speaker 4: You know, if the alarm goes off at seven fifteen,
Speaker 4: all I fucking want to do is sleep for another
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes, an hour, whatever it is. But you do
Speaker 4: realize you have to remind yourself that, like you do
Speaker 4: have the power, like there is nothing actually stopping you.
Speaker 4: Well I don't know, schedule whatever, you know, but like
Speaker 4: if nothing schedule wise is stopping you, you just have
Speaker 4: to get up and do the thing. And it might
Speaker 4: suck ass. You don't want to do it. It's the
Speaker 4: last thing you want to do. But if you want
Speaker 4: to do it, you can just stand up and do it.
Speaker 4: And then after a certain amount of time it does
Speaker 4: just become habit. Your body will adjust to it. It's
Speaker 4: like you are going to start waking up at the time,
Speaker 4: whether you want to or not. I gonn have a
Speaker 4: you know, if I'm in that you know, stretch of
Speaker 4: like I'm being good about working out every morning at
Speaker 4: seven fifteen, I could be drinking until three in the
Speaker 4: morning with friends, and then my body's going to wake
Speaker 4: me up at seven fifteen because it's like that's what
Speaker 4: it's used to. So you just have to force yourself
Speaker 4: to at a certain point and then habit does actually
Speaker 4: really work with your brain and body and you'll do it.
Speaker 4: But there's also the eating stuff and everything, so like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's something I'm thinking about a lot because I
Speaker 4: am in between that stuff right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like, first off,
Speaker 1: the fact that you lost seventy six pounds is already
Speaker 1: a fucking huge treatment itself, so like you've gotten farther
Speaker 1: than the vast majority of people who set out to
Speaker 1: try to do a fraction of that, So congrats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, like habit forming is key, but also
Speaker 1: I think in order to assist the habit forming, there
Speaker 1: are several things like anytime I go for a run
Speaker 1: or I go to the gym, I'm always looking forward
Speaker 1: to the music. I make playlists for running, I make
Speaker 1: playlists for the gym, I make playlists for different kind
Speaker 1: of things I'm doing. At a certain point, you stop
Speaker 1: just looking forward to it. It's like you play a
Speaker 1: certain song on the way to the gym, whether you're
Speaker 1: driving or I walk to the gym, whatever you're doing
Speaker 1: or getting like stretching for your run. You hear the
Speaker 1: first song in that playlist and it gets you kind
Speaker 1: of gets your heart rate up and gets you like going,
Speaker 1: like there actually are physiological the studies about the physiological response,
Speaker 1: which is why I stopped. I try not to listen
Speaker 1: to those songs when I'm not working out, because then
Speaker 1: my heart rate actually I could feel it going up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That just plays into the habit forming aspect of it,
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: to the gym right now, but I'm really enjoying laying
Speaker 1: in bed, or I'm really enjoying I would love to
Speaker 1: just do lunch at home, but I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to the gym because you know, like now I'm just
Speaker 1: going to play the kick this playlist into gear. But
Speaker 1: I would also say that another like I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is a mental hack, and like this worked
Speaker 1: for me. It's like way back in the day I started,
Speaker 1: I would say really really hone in on how good
Speaker 1: you feel after the workout and enjoy that feeling. So
Speaker 1: the next day, it's like you're working toward that. You
Speaker 1: might wake up and it would feel great to stay
Speaker 1: in bed, would feel great to stay at home for lunch,
Speaker 1: when it would feel great to just generally not go
Speaker 1: to the gym or not saying you have to go
Speaker 1: to the gym. That's another hack. It's like you could
Speaker 1: do some really fucking tiring workouts at home. The workouts
Speaker 1: that really exhausts me the most are the ones I
Speaker 1: do at home that are all body weight and like
Speaker 1: course rank kind of stuff. But there's a certain point
Speaker 1: in the week where I like, it's I don't know
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, Thursday, I'm like, I'm not gonna want to
Speaker 1: go to the gym. But then I'm like, as good
Speaker 1: as it feels laying better right now, I know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna feel like I'm walking on clouds when I'm done.
Speaker 1: So like every time you finish a workout, pay attention
Speaker 1: to like that that dopamine rush, Like it's almost like
Speaker 1: a drug, Like it sounds like if you.
Speaker 4: In the morning, like if you're done with your ships
Speaker 4: of the night, am and it's like I'm good. I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's not Carpelan for the fucking eat pizza rolls all day.
Speaker 4: But it's like you got your workout in. Yeah, your steps,
Speaker 4: you burnt your calories, whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I don't know how helpful it is, but it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't know next time you work out, every
Speaker 1: time you work out, like really just like embrace how
Speaker 1: good you feel afterward. Zero in on that and like
Speaker 1: remember what it feels like and say, like, the only
Speaker 1: way I'm going to feel like that is if I,
Speaker 1: you know, do something and like and that's not to
Speaker 1: say you don't you should have days off like that.
Speaker 1: If you do every day, you're gonna burn out.
Speaker 4: I don't know, or do a yoga like I'm a
Speaker 4: big yoga guy, and like, if you want to just
Speaker 4: do every day, do yoga, like that's a great restorative thing.
Speaker 4: But Mike, to touch on the music thing, like I
Speaker 4: have found that like now that I'm not doing the running,
Speaker 4: I can do you know, I'm doing a lot more
Speaker 4: biking now because it's easier on the joints and everything,
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to do it in the morning, Like
Speaker 4: this morning.
Speaker 1: I rode.
Speaker 4: I did like an eight or nine mile ride this morning.
Speaker 4: And I can pick, like if there's an artist or
Speaker 4: something you're getting interested in, like the last year or so,
Speaker 4: I'm really getting into like Kendrick Lamar. And there are
Speaker 4: certain you know, albums I've not heard or whatever, so
Speaker 4: it's like, all right, not a lot of albums are
Speaker 4: more than like an hour or so I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: on like a bike ride for an hour and listen
Speaker 4: to all of you know, this one album, and uh,
Speaker 4: it really does make the time go faster. And when
Speaker 4: you're done in the morning, it's just like, man, I
Speaker 4: I took in an album. I really enjoyed that I
Speaker 4: And I'm good to go like and work even if
Speaker 4: time gets away from me like it does with anyone,
Speaker 4: especially us working from home. You got your shit in
Speaker 4: in the morning before the day started.
Speaker 1: Plus the music becomes the primary thing, and like learning
Speaker 1: a new or listening to a new album, the workout
Speaker 1: becomes secondary. It almost like yes, brings the the scariness
Speaker 1: of the workout down a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Or like podcasts, it's like, you know, my favorite
Speaker 4: podcast for Monday and Wednesday, so I know, like those
Speaker 4: days if I go on a long ride or something.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh great, I'll get the catch up on
Speaker 4: this PODCA you get.
Speaker 2: To listen to a podcast. It's a nice street for yourself.
Speaker 3: I think for a lazy girl like me, I often
Speaker 3: try and do things that are not workouts that I
Speaker 3: know are good for me and that will give me
Speaker 3: the dopamine rush that I am doing my best, but
Speaker 3: also the comfort of being like listen, I'm also busy,
Speaker 3: especially with all the travel I'm doing right now, I
Speaker 3: do not have the time to work out as much
Speaker 3: as I cannot go to a and so what can
Speaker 3: I do that make me feel like I'm doing my best?
Speaker 3: Things that I like to do are I do have
Speaker 3: a fitbit, and I love just the idea of tracking
Speaker 3: my steps, like go easy on yourself. If you can't
Speaker 3: make it to the gym, then you can't make it
Speaker 3: to the gym. But something that I think you can
Speaker 3: do is hit ten thousand steps. If you go on
Speaker 3: a walk, if you take the stairs, if you do
Speaker 3: things that are just more walking, you can hit ten
Speaker 3: thousand steps.
Speaker 1: And that is active.
Speaker 3: That is like walking a theme park for the day,
Speaker 3: and so that is like a great way to stay
Speaker 3: to stay active and on your feet without being like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have to go to the gym and like lift weights.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that. Gopher walks, do your
Speaker 2: best to.
Speaker 3: Walk when you feel like you could have driven, or
Speaker 3: again like take the stairs, do things that just make
Speaker 3: you move your body. There has been times with my
Speaker 3: fitbit where I've been close, you know, like nine hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty steps and I literally like, as I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to bed, I'm doing extra steps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, around the bedroom, like doing like circles dropping down
Speaker 4: the stairs. I've definitely done that.
Speaker 3: Because when you hit ten thousand on a fit fit,
Speaker 3: it gives you fireworks and it buzzes and it's like
Speaker 3: you did so great down to Getting that is like
Speaker 3: a great dopamine rush for me. And it also just
Speaker 3: reminds me that I'm trying and that I'm doing my
Speaker 3: best and I'm being thoughtful about it, right, Like there
Speaker 3: is like this effort. There's sometimes like in the back
Speaker 3: of my head, it's like if you're not breaking a
Speaker 3: sweat and lifting weights, like you're like wasting your life,
Speaker 3: And it's like give yourself patience and kindness. You've obviously
Speaker 3: come a really long way. You've put a lot of
Speaker 3: work in and you deserve to feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3: So like, don't ever punish yourself and be like you suck,
Speaker 3: like you should be going to the gym. You don't
Speaker 3: need to do that to yourself ever, and you don't
Speaker 3: deserve to do that to yourself for how hard you've worked.
Speaker 3: Give yourself lots of grace and credit and use walking
Speaker 3: as an excellent way to stay fluid and mobile and
Speaker 3: give yourself lots of grace.
Speaker 4: And if you work from home, there's so many different
Speaker 4: ways to do it. Where it's like January this year,
Speaker 4: I got the most steps I've ever gotten any month
Speaker 4: because I got an underdsk treadmill.
Speaker 1: And it's just like.
Speaker 4: There's so many like there's parts of my day where
Speaker 4: I'm like on camera on microphone talking and I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be walking during all that, but everything in
Speaker 4: between where I'm just answering emails and shit like that,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like just be walking, just getting tho
Speaker 4: steps in.
Speaker 2: You can be walking.
Speaker 3: My other one that I actually did find that helped
Speaker 3: me over the winner because it's really hard to get
Speaker 3: me out of the house in the winter. It's rains,
Speaker 3: a lot in Portland, and like driving to the gym
Speaker 3: is not my cup of tea. In the Rain, I
Speaker 3: got a TV in my area where I have like
Speaker 3: my little weights, and I put on a YouTube video.
Speaker 3: There's so many free YouTube people that will.
Speaker 2: Do a course with you.
Speaker 3: That way, they're telling you what to do, and that
Speaker 3: makes me feel a little better than just lifting my
Speaker 3: little silly weights and obviously putting them down when I
Speaker 3: get tired. I like, I like a lady named Caroline Gervin.
Speaker 3: You can check her out. Some of her later stuff
Speaker 3: is way too hard. She's like incredibly strong. She looks
Speaker 3: like a she's built like a brick shit house. But
Speaker 3: like check out stuff where it's like twenty minute no repeat,
Speaker 3: like or don't even do Carolyn Gervin, Like just google
Speaker 3: on YouTube twenty minute no repeat, which means for twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: someone's gonna do exercises and they're never gonna repeat the
Speaker 3: same exercise. God send, Like you won't have to like
Speaker 3: do the same goddamn squats for ten minutes. For sixty seconds,
Speaker 3: you'll do an exercise and if you didn't like it,
Speaker 3: you never have to do that fucking exercise again. And
Speaker 3: I think that's really good for my brain, especially like
Speaker 3: on days when I don't want to work out. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: if I didn't like that, we're moving on to the
Speaker 3: next one.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Anyway, those are all my tips from a lazy girl
Speaker 3: who has to work out but doesn't want to take one.
Speaker 4: Do yoga. I fucking love yoga. And if you just
Speaker 4: want to do the free thing, yoga with Adrian on
Speaker 4: she's like the big If you just search yoga on YouTube,
Speaker 4: you're gonna see yoga with Adrian and her dog Benji
Speaker 4: and everything. She does a good job for like very
Speaker 4: entry level stuff. Oh I'll just change my name to Adrian. Okay, great,
Speaker 4: changed Adrian. She she's good entry level yoga stuff. And
Speaker 4: the thing I do now is with Peloton. I'm a
Speaker 4: big Peloton guy, and Adidi Shaw she's the best with yoga.
Speaker 4: I do that several times a week. I've been doing
Speaker 4: yoga for fifteen years and that is probably my favorite
Speaker 4: exercise thing I've ever done. And give it a shot.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't. They write off yoga as
Speaker 4: like bullshit thing.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 4: I'm doing yoga regularly. Oh my fucking before, I'm always
Speaker 4: sitting between playing video games and being on zoom calls
Speaker 4: and shit like that. It's a lot of fucking sitting
Speaker 4: here and yoga, doing your cat cow bos. You're doing
Speaker 4: your downward dogs and all that shit like. Do that
Speaker 4: a few times a week, you're gonna feel a lot better,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: I agree that's good advice.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Rachel, and again congrats on the weight loss.
Speaker 1: Sounds like the I don't know, it's already been going well,
Speaker 1: so anything from here.
Speaker 4: Is just yeah, if you lost seventy six pounds, you
Speaker 4: got something figured out.
Speaker 1: Also, she got a kitten around this time last year
Speaker 1: who's trying to be friends with her dog, Dwayne. She's
Speaker 1: talking about the cat now, Oh yeah, kittens like a
Speaker 1: fluffy Tuxio looks cute, and then Duane's like a pit
Speaker 1: bull boxer mix of some sort, very cute. It's funny.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times people getting dogs, you'd
Speaker 4: be worried about the dog attack on the cat. I've
Speaker 4: got the two cavaliers and the one cat, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this cat would fuck Razor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm way more worried about those dogs.
Speaker 3: Eyeballs like one swipe and those bad boys are blind.
Speaker 1: Fuck them up, dude.
Speaker 3: Dude, the fucking photos of your dogs were tree stuff
Speaker 3: in the water and their eyeballs are like tennis balls
Speaker 3: that have just been pasted to heads.
Speaker 4: He's just a maniac.
Speaker 3: He's no defense mechanism to those dogs, like they would
Speaker 3: absolutely be killed.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you Rachel, thank you Dustin, and thank you Alice.
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