WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:00.160 Hi. 2 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.080 I'm doctor Maria Meyer, anthropologist, primatologist, wildlife correspondent and part 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:08.880 of the team on Expedition Bigfoot. I've spent my entire 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.519 life exploring the planet's wildest, most remote places in search 5 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.280 of the extraordinary, and now I'm inviting you to join me. 6 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:22.960 Introducing the Explorer Society, a global community of curious minds, 7 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.760 truth seekers, and adventures where we dive into the unknown, 8 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:31.160 from elusive creatures like Bigfoot, to the frontiers of science, 9 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.679 nature and unexplained phenomena. 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I got a screen 40 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:15.919 going on here something just kid with my dog something 41 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.759 to kill your dog? My dog? What applying to he? 42 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.680 Or over the tree? I don't know how it did it? 43 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:23.919 Okay, damn it. 44 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.479 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 45 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.120 over the fence. The name of a dead once you 46 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.199 hit the ground. I didn't be seen cars. All I 47 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.840 saw was my dog coming over the fence. 48 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:49.439 What are you playing? 49 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:51.599 We got some wonder or. 50 00:02:51.520 --> 00:03:02.360 Something crawling around out here. 51 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:05.360 I'm out here looking new to window now and I 52 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:06.840 don't need anything. I don't want to go. 53 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:16.240 Outdiight, Hello, hit the boddy out here? What quin an 54 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:16.560 ounce there? 55 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.000 I thought of a bit about second nine. 56 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:19.479 I don't know. 57 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:21.879 Easy annount there? Yeah, I'm working right. 58 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.240 Heady, all right, folks want to welcome our guest to 59 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.840 the show. It is author Paul Buckaner. Welcome to the show. 60 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.360 Thank you, certainly looking forward to being here with. 61 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:30.719 You, Brian. 62 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.400 I have been looking forward to this conversation. I think 63 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.080 we've been trying to schedule this since sometime like mid 64 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.800 twenty twenty four, So I am glad the stars have 65 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.840 a line for us to finally come together for this interview. 66 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.439 Let's start where I start with most people. What guy 67 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.080 you interested in the subject of bigfoot sasquatch. 68 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:50.039 To begin with, I talked about this in one of 69 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.319 my first books, Non Fictionalmen. When I was a kid, 70 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.319 during the summers here at Eastern Notes, Lahome Loft, we 71 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.560 always look forward to just having that summer vaca where 72 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.199 we spend time down the creek, out in the woods, 73 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.280 anything everywhere. 74 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:06.159 But at home. 75 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.639 This summer was a little bit different because I remember 76 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.759 the very first day of summer vacation, my dad wakened 77 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.159 me up early in the morning, said, Hey, get up, 78 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.279 get dressed, You're coming with me to work today. 79 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.319 Now, my dad was a carpenter. 80 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:23.759 They built houses all over Oklahoma, and my dad, my uncle, 81 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:26.959 his nephews, other uncles. My dad was one of eleven 82 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.480 nine boys and they all did something in the construction 83 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.920 from a third word to a finished carpentry. So my 84 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.160 cousin lived right down the road for me. He was 85 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.279 by my age as well, and we're probably about eleven 86 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.360 years old or something like that. We're both really looking 87 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.079 forward to spending time fishing on the creek and all 88 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.240 this good stuff, but not that day. So I get dressed, 89 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.480 jumping the drop with Dad and we head to the 90 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:55.240 work site. 91 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.680 It wasn't too far away when we get there. 92 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.680 It was really, I think, just a ruse to keep 93 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.519 me from keeping my mom disturbed during the day, get 94 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.639 him out of the house, that sort of thing. But 95 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.399 we call up to the job site here, and really 96 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:13.959 our job as kids was to stay out of the way, 97 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.959 pick up scrap lumber here and there, that sort of thing. 98 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.759 My cousin and I were just messed around in the 99 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:21.120 yard plan you know. 100 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:24.720 Remember this is probably getting close to lunchtime when one 101 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.680 of the neighbors comes over and asks where our dad's work. 102 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.560 Now, this was a time when way before cell phones. 103 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:32.800 This was the late. 104 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.240 Seventies, around nineteen eighties somewhere. Riding there and the neighbor 105 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.199 came over and said, hey, where's your dad's at. We 106 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.040 told them they're in the back and they're working on something. 107 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.879 The guy runs into the house, and it's a few 108 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.720 minutes later my dad and my uncle come out and said, 109 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.319 hop in the truck. We got it o, so jump 110 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.240 into the truck. I'm not knowing what in the world's 111 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.120 going on. My cousin and I we're riding in the 112 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:56.600 back of the truck. Back in the day when you 113 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.920 could do that but Mike uncle up from top of 114 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.399 this hill in a first called England Hollow. It was 115 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:07.800 pretty remote, third roads, big hills, a lot of woods. 116 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:09.199 And the creaked it ring by it. 117 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.920 But we finally get to the house and my dad 118 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.720 and uncle they're rushing to the door and my cousin 119 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.360 and I don't knowing what's going on. But my uncle 120 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.160 walks on the door because we didn't have his kings 121 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.079 with him, Like I said, Let'm at the job side 122 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.399 or something. When we finally get into the house, my 123 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.040 aunt and my others, she was a younger girl. They 124 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.800 were hiding in the back and not knowing what in 125 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.360 the world's going on. She's scared at that. She's just 126 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.199 trembling and shaving. Then she's trying to get her story out. 127 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.240 But what it was. 128 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.959 She had called this neighbor by this house where my 129 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.360 mom and where my dad and uncle were working, and said, hey, 130 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.800 you need to get them home right with So the 131 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:51.600 neighbor didn't cross the street meeting. 132 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:53.600 That's how the word got them. 133 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.600 She starts telling the story that she was out back 134 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.480 hanging clothes on the clothes line. Now where they lived, 135 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.560 the house was right up against the pasture on just 136 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.279 about all three sides. The road comes up on a hill, 137 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.480 and then on the other side of these pastures. 138 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.120 Are these valleys and follows. It was just cattle in 139 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:16.720 the pastures. She said. 140 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.079 She was out hanging until it was up on the line, 141 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.639 and then she noticed that there was something out in 142 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.720 the field out there in the pasture behind the house. 143 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.279 So she didn't really take much attention to it at 144 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:28.879 first because the. 145 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.720 Cows were mus the brazen, they're just meander around and 146 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:34.079 not moving a whole lot. She said, it wasn't moving, 147 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.120 watching it quite a ways out there, so she didn't 148 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.399 pay any attention. She goes along there, she's hanging up 149 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:42.439 more closed, and she notices that it's getting a little 150 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:43.240 bit closer to her. 151 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.720 She starts paying a little bit more attention to and 152 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.079 she looks up every now and then sees that it's 153 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:48.959 a little bit closer. 154 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.759 And then I'm not sure what it was, but she said, 155 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.079 she looked up and she saw that this was not 156 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:58.800 a cow. It was not a landa, was not a 157 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.079 farmer out there looking forest cows. She said, this was 158 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:07.759 a big, dark figure, black, just covered in hair, you know. 159 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.120 She said, that's when she streaked out. She grabbed my 160 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.839 cousin for the little girl and they ran inside. She 161 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.199 said she would look out the window to see and 162 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:20.160 that's when she had made the phone come. During this time, 163 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.360 she said it made its way over to the bottom, 164 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.160 which was just on the other side of the house, 165 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.639 maybe one hundred yards worth, and she said, went over there. 166 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:31.480 She tried to watch for it, and it was best 167 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.840 she could, but she was just scadled them, just shaking trimly. 168 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.080 And she said, when this preacher went into the barn, 169 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.720 it came out with one of the bottle taps. They 170 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.600 had probably half a dozen bottle taps in the barn, 171 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.080 and she said it picked it up under its rn 172 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:55.840 and step over the fence and more off back down 173 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.240 into a thick and on the other side of the field, 174 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.080 down into the hall. When we got there, my uncle, 175 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.519 you were listening to this, my dad, They just said, okay, 176 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:05.639 let's go check this out. 177 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.559 And they let us boys go out that too. So 178 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:10.840 we're down here by the barn. 179 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.759 Now my answers in the house, she'd all along, come 180 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.879 out and this is a Christian lady. It's audying her 181 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.480 to tell a story. You're making anything up. We got 182 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.039 to the barn and we didn't see tracks. I remember 183 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.559 the feet princh because they had plunted them mount and 184 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.480 my uncle was saying, yeah, one of the caps is gone. 185 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:29.360 Family. 186 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:32.600 The tracks meant exactly like mine. It had two of 187 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.960 them that didn't looked down on the field, Uncle, my dad. 188 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:36.960 They grapped their. 189 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.639 John's and we went down through the fields and basically 190 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:42.679 based that same pack. 191 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.840 Never found me any sign, never seeing anything else, and. 192 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.320 No other reports from the neighbors or anything, but the 193 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.960 cap was definitely musten. There was definitely footprints there, and 194 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:57.879 that was my first experience with the hopes no fip. 195 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:03.399 So from that on I fascinated with this subject. 196 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.919 Obviously you might not have known at the time because 197 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.919 you were a kid, but did you ever have any 198 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.000 follow up conversations with anybody in your family? Was Bigfoot 199 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.759 or Sasquatch on the radar for them at that point 200 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.240 in time, and did they give any credence to the 201 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.600 fact that might have been what picked the calf up 202 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:22.720 and took off with it. 203 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:26.279 Yes, and no, I remember a lot of the conversations 204 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.519 going around them. Not that because there was another report 205 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.200 not much later than that about a sighting in dutch 206 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:38.399 Mill's Birkansas, where we lived in northeastern Okinghome. Dutch Mills 207 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.480 was less than ten miles away to the state line, 208 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.879 and this is northeast Okma, so you're in the foothills 209 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.279 of the Osons. And that report was a farmer he 210 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.720 had a chicken house broke into lake one night and 211 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.320 he went out with a shotgun. He foind out what 212 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.200 was going on, if it was coyotes getting his chickens 213 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.799 or what have you. But this was one of those 214 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.000 houses that saw of the like sixty thousand chickens of them, 215 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.600 so it's got the big galvanized metal doors that pulling out. 216 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.320 I think the report was that this creature had broken 217 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.679 the ad, grabbed some chickens and was leading and who 218 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:18.279 said the farm word took a shot at it, and 219 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.320 it had screened at him and turned and ran away 220 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.600 with some of the chickens. The door to the chicken 221 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.799 house was actually ripped off the hinges, and that was 222 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.240 in the couple of the newspapers at that time. And 223 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.919 this was maybe a month or so after this report 224 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.879 with my own aunt, so it was. 225 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.559 On everybody's ready arcave time. I'm not sure if. 226 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.720 It could have been something to do with the movie 227 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:46.759 Legend of Body gree and that was everybody's little introduction 228 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:48.519 to Bibbs Rock at that time. 229 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.600 But yeah, there was a lot of talk going on 230 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:51.879 in the trimmunity. 231 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.000 Was that the end of your personal experiences or for 232 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.559 the personal experiences and the people in your family? 233 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.159 That was it for the folks in the field? Now 234 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:02.840 later and gone. 235 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.000 I've had a few other experiences to me because it's 236 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:08.720 one of the things that I don't know. It was 237 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.279 something that always stuck with me, So I was just 238 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.120 always interested in there. So I had done some research 239 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.840 to read a lot of books and different things like that. 240 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.120 But a little bit later on, after high school, I 241 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:22.840 was actually a professionalizian, So I was out on the 242 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.320 road by the high school, and one of the things 243 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.679 that I'd love to do was to visit worth people 244 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.519 from other states and different parts of the country and 245 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:36.039 stuff and talk about that. And that introduced me to 246 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.360 a lot of different people and about the same exact subject. 247 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.000 Wow, I met a lot of people. 248 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.639 From Ohnevi, Oklahoma, which is down south structure familiar with onevy, 249 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.559 but the fantastic little town, if you can call it 250 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.440 a town, there was a store, but I had a 251 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.080 lot of experience for talking to a lot of people 252 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.320 that had encounters. I've never had an account of myself 253 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.240 one time there in old and I mean this was 254 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.840 back when, oh gosh, the mid nineties. 255 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:06.879 We always roll. 256 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.080 Our food goos down there because there's a few hundred 257 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.080 thousand and eight rooms, three rivers around in that area, 258 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.080 and they did a lot of dry cutting back there, logging, 259 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.960 so there's a lot of logging trails that ran all 260 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.840 over those mountains. My buddies and I we would go 261 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.240 down there and just ride full wheelers because one of 262 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.799 them onto a small cabin up on the hill on 263 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.360 the mountain. We decided we're going to go down there 264 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.559 one weekend, and I was going to meet them there 265 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.399 because I had lived in still All, Oklahoma at that 266 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.320 time and they lived in Tulsa. So we were just 267 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:38.759 going to triangulate and meet there together. But at the 268 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.320 same time for the weekend, there was about ten of 269 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.320 us all together, but I was the only one coming 270 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.120 from my direction. So I've got a truck with a 271 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.440 trailer on the back. I had three four wheelers on 272 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.840 the back, and when I get there, started getting laid 273 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.840 in the evening, I drive up on the mountain and 274 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.000 turn off the road. When you turn off the road, 275 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:02.240 it's just a it's a log cut road with chainsaws, 276 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:04.320 and you're lucky to get through there. 277 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:06.919 It's just winding all back in there and stuff. 278 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.639 And you finally get to the cabin and I'm pulling 279 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.200 a twenty foot trailer behind this. 280 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.840 Truck all these four wheelers on there. I gotta go 281 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:14.360 really slow. 282 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.519 Now when I get down to the cabin, I have 283 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:19.960 to try to back this thing in and get out 284 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.360 of the way so that when they come in, they're 285 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.480 going to do the same thing. It's just really tough 286 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.000 hairpind turns here and there and stuff. So I get there. 287 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:29.799 And I'm waiting on the guys. I'm listening to the 288 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:30.279 radio in. 289 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.679 The truck, just sitting there, and it's getting later and 290 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.159 they're still not here. And it starts getting dark now 291 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:39.960 up there in the mountains. If there's no moon on 292 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.759 it or any stars out, you cannot see your hand 293 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:44.840 in front of your face. 294 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.759 It is pitch black. That's the way it was that 295 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:48.519 particular night. 296 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.279 So I'm sitting here and I had the truck running 297 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.480 at first, but then I had turned it off. Your 298 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.840 radio will stay on for fifteen minutes or so when 299 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.399 it goes off like that. So I'm sitting here and 300 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.159 the radio finally dies, and the dashlights go off too, 301 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.399 and now I'm just from right into that pitch blackness. 302 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.919 And of course we always rode down there. When we 303 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.200 rode down there, it's always on the guys of hey, 304 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.080 we're going to go big flying. That's just what we 305 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.320 do in old Nahdi. I'm sitting there waiting. Now it's 306 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.639 pitch dark, and it's quiet, and you can hear the 307 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.519 cicadas and the bullfrogs and different things like that. 308 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.440 Then all of a sudden, I hear this crunch, if 309 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:31.120 you will. 310 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.759 Not too far from me where I'm sitting in the truss, 311 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.120 And I thought, I wonder what that is? 312 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:40.519 And I thought, should I turn on the lights? 313 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.120 But if I turn on the lights, it's going to 314 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.120 blind me too, because it's pitch black, you know how 315 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:47.559 that is. I didn't want to turn on the lights, 316 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:49.639 just check. So I'm sitting here and then I hear 317 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:50.080 it again. 318 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:51.559 And then when I. 319 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:56.039 Heard it the next time, everything just went quiet, just 320 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.159 super quiet, and there's no more rule frogs, nonmal crickets, 321 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:04.519 no more cicadas, nothing, It's just it's quiet. The only 322 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.159 thing that you could hear was the ticking of the 323 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.519 engine as it's cooling down of the night and my 324 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.320 windows are down, and I just I'm hearing this over 325 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.039 to the side of me. 326 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.639 Now, I don't have a flashlight with me. 327 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.279 The only thing I did have was the headlights on 328 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.000 the truck to turn them on, but I still didn't 329 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.960 want to do that, so I thought, Okay, whatever it is, 330 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:25.960 it's not coming over here. I'm in a four wheel 331 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.720 drive truck. A few minutes later, I hear it again, 332 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.919 but it's a lot closer. But this time the window 333 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.120 in my truck where I'm sitting here, it just feels up. 334 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.559 I didn't smell anything. You're just in closed like somebody 335 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:46.080 just covered up that window. It was just like this muskiness. 336 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:49.440 But it wasn't a smell like what you'd associate with 337 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.360 what the reports are, like a really bad odor or 338 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.519 anything like that. It was just this muskiness and there 339 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.240 was that window. 340 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.399 Was covered with something. That's the last thing I've remember. 341 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.440 The next thing I remember, I was sitting down ten 342 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.000 miles away at the store, waiting on the rest of 343 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:07.880 the guys to get. 344 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.480 There and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see 345 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:13.119 We'll be right back after these. 346 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:19.240 Messages everything in between there. 347 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:21.640 I have no idea how I got back through the 348 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.039 woods with the trailer and the four wheelers all still 349 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.160 attached back down there, I have no idea they were 350 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.920 all memory of everything from that point to that point 351 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:33.680 was gone. 352 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.400 To this day, I have no idea what I have. 353 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.640 I don't know. That was just a pretty arrowing encounter. 354 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:41.559 It scared me. 355 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.680 And I'm not afraid of the dark. I'm an avid 356 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.079 hunter or an outdoorsement I'm out there all the time. 357 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.039 It just nothing like that ever has ever scared me. 358 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.279 But that night I was terrified, and I don't know 359 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:56.160 what it was. 360 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.960 That is definitely not the first time I have heard 361 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.119 heard of what I would consider And I don't want 362 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.519 to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like 363 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:09.000 you have a missing time situation where you're in an 364 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:13.440 area where there's potentially sasquatch activity and then you can't 365 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:18.519 remember this stretch of time. Have you heard other experiences 366 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:20.559 that people have shared with you, or if you heard 367 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.559 of other experiences that you give credibility to where people 368 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.480 have experienced something similar to that, where they have this 369 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:27.359 missing time thing. 370 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.640 Yeah, there's been a couple after that, because I think 371 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.279 at that point was when I really started diving more 372 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.160 into this particular phenomenon with this whole time loss thing. 373 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:38.839 I did. 374 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.440 I talk to another lady at one point that was 375 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.680 from that Fishermingo area, which is a little bit further 376 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.839 on down south, something very similar happened to her where 377 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.079 she had went out one night because the dogs were 378 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.839 just going crazy. So she steps out onto her porch 379 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.160 and she's looking around and she's walking around the house 380 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.240 and she said she turned the corner and she saw 381 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.720 something standing there, and the next thing she knew, she 382 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.119 was back in the house. She was waking up, and 383 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.920 it had been several hours from that time. And this 384 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:19.680 particular area is not that far away from where we 385 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.319 were at in Jnah, And so those types of reports 386 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.240 I've heard those as well. To me, that was a 387 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.440 very credible report because she is not wanted to just 388 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.240 to tell me things just to be heard, but it 389 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:36.079 happened to her. She truly believed it, but she doesn't 390 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.559 remember anything about it, is remember what she saw. I 391 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:41.720 think there's a lot too there, But I think there's 392 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.279 something too about I don't know. It could be something 393 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.759 that we do to protect ourselves, maybe the trauma so 394 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.240 that we repress those memories or something. 395 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.599 So I think there's a lot to that. 396 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.359 I know your main gig here is being an author, 397 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:01.240 but you do your own research, and you do look 398 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.680 into these stories, You do look into this phenomenon. Is 399 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.559 there anything that you go to do you go to 400 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.400 say some of the Native American experiences, some of the 401 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:16.559