Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Donnie Peters.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday July ninth, twelve fifty am. Day three
Speaker 1: from the World Series of Poker Main Event is in
Speaker 1: the books and we are moving on today four and
Speaker 1: it is Bubble Day. Thursday July ninth is the time
Speaker 1: when the bubble will burst. It'll probably burst earlier in
Speaker 1: the day and it's just a matter of how long
Speaker 1: that bubble takes, which when it comes to this tournament,
Speaker 1: it has been known to take quite a bit of time.
Speaker 1: So we'll hit on every kind of everything that happened today.
Speaker 1: We'll touch on the field and the players that are
Speaker 1: our remaining. I spoke with both Sean deeb And and
Speaker 1: Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky after play was done, so
Speaker 1: I got those interviews for you coming later on. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's time like the first couple of days,
Speaker 1: the first two days, and I'm talking about playing days,
Speaker 1: so the day ones and the day two. Yes, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of excitement when it comes to this tournament,
Speaker 1: of course, but this tournament is so long that for
Speaker 1: when I was there today, for let's say the first
Speaker 1: half up until the dinner break, you play three levels,
Speaker 1: you go to dinner, you come back, you play two
Speaker 1: more levels. So the first three levels of play, they
Speaker 1: kind of don't feel like anything. And I know Day
Speaker 1: three is moving day in the dibasop made event, because
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do on day three, you've you've
Speaker 1: somewhat weathered the storm and done whatever you did.
Speaker 2: Through the first two days.
Speaker 1: You know, if you played both of the earlier days,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you had to battle a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: If you only played on the day two, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: But once you get to day three, whatever your stack is,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether it's twenty K or it's two
Speaker 1: hundred K, or it's eight hundred K, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Coming into day three. Day three is all about trying
Speaker 1: to position yourself to hit the next checkpoint in the tournament.
Speaker 2: At least this is how I view it all. I
Speaker 2: kind of set up.
Speaker 1: Tournaments, and you know, especially longer ones in terms of
Speaker 1: certain checkpoints, and the checkpoint that you're trying to set
Speaker 1: yourself up for is to best position yourself to get
Speaker 1: into the money right to to be able to fight
Speaker 1: through that bubble. Now Obviously, some things might go your way.
Speaker 1: Some things might not go your way. You might end
Speaker 1: up short going into the bubble, you might end up
Speaker 1: with a big stack some of you you know, might
Speaker 1: have in the middle. But overall, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to be able to push put yourself in a position
Speaker 1: on day three to not have to like fold, fold, fold,
Speaker 1: you know, tank fold, not look at your cards, like
Speaker 1: just just like basically just just blind out until you
Speaker 1: get into the money in that that bubble burst because
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, you know, yes, we want to cash
Speaker 1: in this tournament, but we want to make a run
Speaker 1: at it. And how do you set yourself up to
Speaker 1: make a run at it. Well, you have to have
Speaker 1: decent chips, hopefully good chips on the bubble, because you
Speaker 1: can make a lot more chips by pressuring other stacks
Speaker 1: at your table, you know, those middling stacks, those shorter
Speaker 1: stacks to you. So you know, you want to set
Speaker 1: yourself up so you can get through the bubble comfortably
Speaker 1: while also being aggressive and chipping up. And then once
Speaker 1: that bubble burst, then you know, then it's like okay, onward,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just about the mind cash at that point,
Speaker 1: it's about trying to reach the next checkpoint. And I
Speaker 1: would say the next checkpoint to come is, you know,
Speaker 1: because the pay jumps aren't that large early on. Once
Speaker 1: you get into the money on day four, the next
Speaker 1: checkpoint is all about hitting the bag and advancing to
Speaker 1: day five, right, because then then it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: like we're we're in it, We're going to day five.
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Speaker 1: and improving your game. Coming into day three, there were
Speaker 1: three thousand, two hundred and ninety four players remaining. At
Speaker 1: the end of day three, they played all five levels
Speaker 1: through to the end there were thirteen, thirteen hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty nine players remaining and with thirteen hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: two places making the money, that means the field is
Speaker 1: seven eliminations off of reaching the money. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: we do this dance every single year in this tournament,
Speaker 1: and it's are we going to hit the money today?
Speaker 1: Are we going to hit the money today? You know,
Speaker 1: players are, They're asking each other, they're asking the dealer,
Speaker 1: they're asking the floor, they're asking me, And I mean
Speaker 1: I know the answer a little bit more so than
Speaker 1: them because I know what production is thinking, and production
Speaker 1: wants to break it on day four. It's just better
Speaker 1: for everything.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Part of that is like, let's say you were to
Speaker 1: get really close at the end of the night like
Speaker 1: they did, and there's you know, there's seven eliminations away.
Speaker 1: Those seven seven eliminations can take two three four hours.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I've been there. They can take that long.
Speaker 1: So it can go on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So you would rather just wrap it up, send everyone home,
Speaker 1: and then come back and break the bubble the next day.
Speaker 1: It does tend to just work out better for everyone.
Speaker 1: It allows you know, production, you know, to be able
Speaker 1: to film the whole thing, stream the whole thing, get
Speaker 1: it out there, because this is a pretty monumental day
Speaker 1: every single year on the poker calendar when the bubble
Speaker 1: bursts in the World Series of Poker at main events.
Speaker 1: So I'm very much looking forward to that. When they
Speaker 1: when they paused the clock at the end of the night,
Speaker 1: they paused it with ten minutes left. They played three hands.
Speaker 1: There was like a right around fourteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Players are maining.
Speaker 1: Obviously in those last couple of hands, a bunch of
Speaker 1: other players bounced out of the tournament. When I started
Speaker 1: running around to try and get a couple of interviews,
Speaker 1: there were thirteen hundred and ninety two players on the board.
Speaker 1: I come home, I verify all the numbers in the app,
Speaker 1: and there's thirteen eighty nine. So just you know, they
Speaker 1: at some point while I was probably running around, probably
Speaker 1: some hands paying out. You know, dealers didn't put it
Speaker 1: into the iPad or whatever it may be, or put
Speaker 1: it in right away, but we are seven spots off.
Speaker 1: If they would have Gottenny closer, I'm guessing they just
Speaker 1: put a halted play. They would have told everyone to
Speaker 1: stop so that they can bring it back on Thursday
Speaker 1: for the bubble. And as a reminder, there is more
Speaker 1: than eighty five million dollars in the prize bowl up
Speaker 1: for grabs. The mid cash is worth fifteen thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: so one and a half times you're buying, and then
Speaker 1: of course the prize everyone is gunning for ten million
Speaker 1: dollars up top I mentioned that three two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety four players returned for Day three, and because we
Speaker 1: have thirteen hundred and eighty nine remaining, that means the
Speaker 1: field lost nineteen hundred and five players, or nearly sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the group that returned for Day three was
Speaker 1: bounced before getting to day four. The chip leader entering
Speaker 1: at Day four is one Sasha Lou. She bagged a
Speaker 1: giant actually a massive shout out massive two million, three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four thousand, which is good for two
Speaker 1: hundred ninety five big blinds. Because they will be heading
Speaker 1: to four thousand and eight thousand for the blind level
Speaker 1: to kick off day four. She registered day two, so
Speaker 1: she skipped day one. She came in with a fresh
Speaker 1: sixty thousand chip starting stack, and before the second level
Speaker 1: of play was over on day two she ran it
Speaker 1: up to almost ten times, which she started with almost
Speaker 1: six hundred k. I think she got up to like
Speaker 1: five hundred and ninety thousand, five ninety five or something
Speaker 1: like that. She was a chip leader at one point
Speaker 1: on day two, and she just steamrolled right out of
Speaker 1: the gate. I read an article on poker dot Org.
Speaker 1: I believe the author was Mike Patrick. He talked to
Speaker 1: Sasha lou just saying that she know she basically ran
Speaker 1: hot early on. I think she said she had king,
Speaker 1: she had aces and flopped a set. She was able
Speaker 1: to win big pots when that stuff happened. And then also,
Speaker 1: you know, when you have to get a stack, or
Speaker 1: when you do get a stack like this, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of things that have to go your way,
Speaker 1: and she said they all did you know, her value
Speaker 1: bets paid off, her bluffs got through. You know, just
Speaker 1: everything lined up for her. And I'm guessing it was
Speaker 1: much more of the same on day three because she
Speaker 1: shot all the way up to I mean she shot
Speaker 1: up to a million at one point. Then you know,
Speaker 1: there was I think Martin Zemani was a chip leader,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit ahead of her. She was
Speaker 1: a couple tables away. She then took the chip lead,
Speaker 1: got up to about one point four one point five million.
Speaker 1: Martin Zemani is playing every single hand, so his chipstack
Speaker 1: is going all over the place. When I left, I
Speaker 1: thought Sasha would be the chip leader, and I thought
Speaker 1: she would be on around one point seven million. I
Speaker 1: get home, I check the chip count. She's on two million,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty four thousand. I mean, that is
Speaker 1: a giant, freaking chip ley, absolutely giant. She has three
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety four thousand dollars in a live tournament
Speaker 1: winnings entering this event. I'm I'm assuming she's that's gonna
Speaker 1: go up because I'm assuming she's gonna get into the
Speaker 1: money with a chip stack like this and only seven
Speaker 1: spots off the bubble.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think anything's gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen to you in terms of not not making them money.
Speaker 1: Her best live score was back in two thousand and nineteen,
Speaker 1: and it was in this very event, she came three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty fourth for a little bit over thirty
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars. Last year, entering Day four, it was
Speaker 1: Japan's Shataro Kobayashi who had one million, nine hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy one thousand in chips. Sosasha is well ahead of
Speaker 1: that pace. Kobyashi finished in six hundred and thirty first
Speaker 1: place for twenty seven thousand, five hundred dollars. So just again,
Speaker 1: you know another piece of evidence here that just because
Speaker 1: you're a chip leader with a giant stack on one of
Speaker 1: these earlier days, it really doesn't, you know, set you
Speaker 1: up for anything or doesn't guarantee you anything. Yeah you
Speaker 1: may cash, yeah you may make Day four, Day five,
Speaker 1: but it's not like, oh my gosh, I'm the Day
Speaker 1: two chip leader, I'm gonna make Day seven like that.
Speaker 1: That's not just how this thing thing works. There is
Speaker 1: so much poker to be played. I mentioned the how
Speaker 1: some of those Day two from the two different Day
Speaker 1: two those chip leaders had fared over the years.
Speaker 2: If I look back at.
Speaker 1: The Day two ABC and the Day two D the
Speaker 1: top three stacks from each of those fields, So we
Speaker 1: had gasper Fernandez, Mason Viz, Our Tourists, Ostroskis all coming
Speaker 1: out of the Day two ABC, they were the top
Speaker 1: three stacks. I don't see Gaspar Fernandez in the counts.
Speaker 1: I checked on the app he was not in there,
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing the Day two ABC chip leader is
Speaker 1: out of the tournament now. Mason Viz bagged seven point
Speaker 1: thirty then he bagged seven a eighty six. Now Ostrauskis
Speaker 1: bagged six hundred and forty six thousand. He's now up
Speaker 1: to one point one six nine million. For Day two D,
Speaker 1: it was Michael Rosido who was the chip leader there.
Speaker 1: He finished with seven hundred and seventy thousand. He's going
Speaker 1: to be entering Day four six hundred and fifty nine thousand.
Speaker 1: Second place out of Day two D. Jeff Fenster bag
Speaker 1: seven hundred and forty seven thousand. I did not see
Speaker 1: him in the chip counts in the app, so Gaspre
Speaker 1: Fernandez and Jeff Fenster two of the biggest stacks to
Speaker 1: come out of Day two looks like they have busted
Speaker 1: on Day three and then Janick Schumacher was the third
Speaker 1: biggest stack coming out of Day two D. He had
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty eight thousand, he's taken six hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six hundred and eighty six thousand. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: forward to day four. But out of those six players,
Speaker 1: two of them, one third of the six biggest stacks
Speaker 1: coming out of day two did not make it to
Speaker 1: day four. So they are not going to be cashing
Speaker 1: in this tournament. I mean, it's just it's crazy how
Speaker 1: this tournament works. You can just you can double up
Speaker 1: one person for one hundred K another person for one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty K. Next thing you know, you're losing
Speaker 1: a couple of fifty K pots, and then you know
Speaker 1: your seven hundred K stack looks like two hundred and
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, what the heck's going on here?
Speaker 1: But you know, and then maybe the spiral just continues,
Speaker 1: maybe you get a little bit less confidence in your game.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I've been there, We've all been there if we play poker,
Speaker 1: you know, and going forward, we'll see what, you know,
Speaker 1: how things look for Sasha Lou But right now, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like I got a good feeling
Speaker 1: about her. Now I don't know what that ultimately means,
Speaker 1: but I'll say I'll say day six for Sasha Lou
Speaker 1: and I feel like I got a pretty good finger
Speaker 1: on the pulse when when it comes to poker in general,
Speaker 1: in this specific tournament, you can just get the sense,
Speaker 1: like when she's coming in day two, she's as hot
Speaker 1: as she is in terms of running up her sixty
Speaker 1: thousand chipstack to six and almost six hundred thousand, and
Speaker 1: then that rush, that momentum all continues on.
Speaker 2: For day three.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen this story a few times in
Speaker 1: the past, and I'm expecting some big things out of her,
Speaker 1: So I'll go. I'll go day six at least for Sasha.
Speaker 1: One of the other big stacks to bag up chips
Speaker 1: on day three, Martin Zemania. I had already talked about him.
Speaker 1: Martin Zemani is one of the most entertaining players at
Speaker 1: the table. He's got a colorful personality. He's not afraid
Speaker 1: to talk. He's also not afraid to talk shit and
Speaker 1: gives give it to you. He plays pretty much every
Speaker 1: single hand. He's one of those guys where when he
Speaker 1: has a chip lead, like he does first of all
Speaker 1: him getting to the chip lead, he plays like a
Speaker 1: maniac from the start, and then once he has a
Speaker 1: chip lead like this, if nobody else around him at
Speaker 1: the table is fighting back and fighting back successfully. Martin's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that's pretty much any two cards
Speaker 1: I'm raising and until you push back, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep going. And that's what he does. I mean, he
Speaker 1: shot up over a million, then his chip stack fluctuated
Speaker 1: somewhere between like one million and one point four million,
Speaker 1: which is a big fluctuation, and then he ends up
Speaker 1: bagging one million, nine hundred and sixty three thousand. He'll
Speaker 1: be second entering Day four. Neck Zizka, a twenty five
Speaker 1: K Fantasy drafted player, bagged one million, five hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six thousand. Will Gibbons bagged one million, five hundred
Speaker 1: and forty thousand. Now Will Gibbons I talked about him
Speaker 1: several episodes ago on this very podcast. I played with
Speaker 1: him in I believe it was the fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: freeze out, might have been the might have been the
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollar freezer or two K freeze out,
Speaker 1: one of the freezeouts I play. I played, he got
Speaker 1: moved to my table. He was talking about how it's
Speaker 1: his first time back at the World Series of poker
Speaker 1: in three or four years because he was banned from
Speaker 1: Caesar's Properties for something that happened in a pick game.
Speaker 1: He ultimately got a lawyer, he got it overturned and
Speaker 1: he's back and that was that was his one of
Speaker 1: his first tournaments back, the Freeze Out that I played
Speaker 1: with him. And here he is having a run here
Speaker 1: in the WSP main event with one million, five hundred
Speaker 1: and forty thousand entering Day four Andrew Yet and one million,
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty four thousand for him Andrew Jay,
Speaker 1: showing that he's got some chops when it comes to
Speaker 1: Nolan Holden tournaments. A a mixed game specialist, believe he
Speaker 1: won the ten K horse but very very good mix
Speaker 1: game player, but here doing very well of course on
Speaker 1: the no Limitfeld the twenty nineteen champion of this event,
Speaker 1: hosting ENSN one million, two hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 2: Going forward to Day four.
Speaker 1: En Son's one of those guys that just looks so
Speaker 1: damn cool at the table, Like the way he handles
Speaker 1: the chips, the cards, the little smile on his face.
Speaker 1: He looks cool, he looks charming, He just looks awesome.
Speaker 1: Sean deeb I mentioned that we're gonna be talking to
Speaker 1: Sean Deeb, and we are. I have a short interview
Speaker 1: to play from mister Deep. He bagged at nine hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty eight thousand. I watched a bit of his
Speaker 1: his table at the end of the day, probably in
Speaker 1: the last forty minutes or so. And he's another guy
Speaker 1: who was pretty much any two cards, which he mentioned
Speaker 1: when I talked with him. You know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: just any two cards at this point on the bubble,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're just gonna make people play back
Speaker 1: in him. The very final hand of the night, Sean
Speaker 1: Deeb made made a wheel. Guy opened, he flatted, Laura
Speaker 1: Eisenberger flatted behind it came eight five deuce. The opener
Speaker 1: bet Deep called turn was a four opener checked deep
Speaker 1: bet Guy took a little bit and then folded. That
Speaker 1: was the very last hand of night. Deep ended up
Speaker 1: showing showed as three for turning a wheel. Alex Foxen
Speaker 1: is also still in you'll hear Sean Deeb mentioned Alex
Speaker 1: Foxen eight hundred and thirty nine thousand for him. Kristen Foxen,
Speaker 1: I believe, is also in case. She's got eighty six
Speaker 1: thousand according to the w SP app which is on
Speaker 1: the other on the other end of things. Then her
Speaker 1: husband Alex. But you know, we know Christian can obviously
Speaker 1: run up a stack in this event. She had a
Speaker 1: very very very deep run a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and we'll see she can make that happen again. But
Speaker 1: for right now, it looks like Alex is the one
Speaker 1: that is cooking. Michael the Grinder is Rocky, the defending champ.
Speaker 1: Of course, we have to talk about the Grinder six
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen K in the bag. He was on
Speaker 1: the feature tables for much of the day for Day three,
Speaker 1: and it was some of the wildest shit that I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean, not only his table, all the tables.
Speaker 1: There was just a lot of There was some crazy hands,
Speaker 1: some set up hands, some big hands, some unorthodox, out
Speaker 1: of this world hands. Grinder like he played this hand
Speaker 1: early on and I hope that the action is right
Speaker 1: as it was called on stream, because they came to
Speaker 1: his table that were covering on another table. They swung
Speaker 1: over to her, to his table, and Aline Najade is
Speaker 1: saying recapping the action, and he's saying, grinder open, and
Speaker 1: Grinder's got a seven hearts small blind three bet Grinder
Speaker 1: ripped it for. At the time it was the blinds
Speaker 1: were two K four K, and Grinder ripped in for
Speaker 1: effectively hundred forty five thousand, covering his opponent. That's how
Speaker 1: much as opponent had left. His opponent called off with
Speaker 1: King Queen Off. Grinder had a seven herds and just one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how that happens. That's just
Speaker 1: out of control. He won a whole bunch of other pots,
Speaker 1: did Grinder. He was doing the whole Michael to Grinder
Speaker 1: and is a rocky thing. He's on an absolute heater
Speaker 1: right now, coming off that ten KPLO championship win. Last year,
Speaker 1: when Grinder bagged for day three or bagged after day three,
Speaker 1: entering day four, he bagged one hundred and eighty six thousand,
Speaker 1: so he's well ahead of pace. Putting six hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand in the bag this year. Nick Helmuth, he's
Speaker 1: the only Hellmuth remaining. He bagged fifty three thousand, so
Speaker 1: very much on the short side for Nick Helmuth. But
Speaker 1: chips in the bag survive and advance, so that's just
Speaker 1: a handful of notables. I do want to go through
Speaker 1: the chip count list and just kind of scroll it
Speaker 1: and call out some names as I go. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that right this second. First I
Speaker 1: want to talk to Sean Deeb. I want to bring
Speaker 1: him in, bring his interview in. We talked about how
Speaker 1: I asked him how I thought he thought his day went.
Speaker 1: I asked him what the w SP main event means
Speaker 1: to the Player of the Year race, because when I
Speaker 1: talked with him, I can't remember if it was the
Speaker 1: winner interview that we did or the previous interview that
Speaker 1: we did for the podcast. He mentioned how important the
Speaker 1: main event was going to be this year for the
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, so I wanted to ask him
Speaker 1: about that, and then of course got to ask him
Speaker 1: about using that big stack to attack the bubble. So
Speaker 1: here is Sean Deeb following bagging up chips on day three.
Speaker 1: All right, Sean Deep, nine hundred and thirty eight thousand
Speaker 1: in the bag. How did the day go for you?
Speaker 3: I think I lost more hands I put chips in
Speaker 3: a pot today than any other day in my career.
Speaker 4: By two X.
Speaker 3: I was obviously raising like one hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent of hands.
Speaker 3: Last like four hours, I lost sixty percent of them.
Speaker 3: So it was a very stupid day. You know, gotten
Speaker 3: a huge clip by dinner had one point a million,
Speaker 3: fifty thousand, and somehow I just swung between the two
Speaker 3: hundred k of the rest of the day, So kind
Speaker 3: of unfortunate. Table got really lucky with equity to play
Speaker 3: back in every spot and I never had anything. So yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of a sad day that ragged so well. But
Speaker 3: you know where I was four hours ago and I
Speaker 3: back one point five million, like half the time.
Speaker 1: When we spoke a few days ago, you mentioned how
Speaker 1: important this event might be for the player of the
Speaker 1: ear race.
Speaker 2: Is that is something that is on your mind. I mean,
Speaker 2: I need cashes, so this one will pay well.
Speaker 3: But it just you know, I was very close to
Speaker 3: going hopping the Klo Mystery Bounty, but our table took
Speaker 3: too long on hands and also I know, you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred big blinds for tomorrow and the bubble and
Speaker 3: and for hand like gonna blind out if I do
Speaker 3: bag the mystery boundy a lot. But I was still
Speaker 3: close to just flicking a stack in. Yeah, kind of
Speaker 3: unfortunately I want poy and you know Fox is stilling this,
Speaker 3: so this could be a lot of points. Once we
Speaker 3: get the money, I'll start seeing this is where the pay.
Speaker 3: You know, how big of a jump it is for
Speaker 3: some of these spots, you know, because I know obviously
Speaker 3: the big jump is ninth, but I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's being a fifty eight pointment cash or what. So
Speaker 3: curious to see where it is. And yeah, just got
Speaker 3: to get my fifteen scores.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Foxer, and so you're obviously aware that he's
Speaker 1: still in the event. I mean, how much are you
Speaker 1: paying attention or how closely are you paying attention.
Speaker 4: To that all?
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't really matter, Like at this point,
Speaker 3: you know, I need results, and when you're behind, and
Speaker 3: I have more open spots of scores, so I know
Speaker 3: that whatever I cash for, you know, I'm getting the
Speaker 3: full point value for a while because I might not
Speaker 3: max out the fifteen. So obviously, tough competition. Obviously he's
Speaker 3: a lot better than me, and no woman to hold him.
Speaker 3: But I think I'm a little better than him in
Speaker 3: the main. But obviously he's one of the best in
Speaker 3: the field. I you know, root for him. He's a
Speaker 3: great guy.
Speaker 2: I've known him before.
Speaker 3: Most people in poker got to know.
Speaker 2: Him through chance.
Speaker 3: You know, we all grind it online before he ever
Speaker 3: played a high roller, played anything bigger. So happy to
Speaker 3: see him come where he's coming. You know his wife
Speaker 3: I've known through eighteen so two people I root for
Speaker 3: all the time. I actually trying to convince them to
Speaker 3: move to up St New York. I think at some
Speaker 3: point when they're done with poker traveling, uh, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: get them to buy a farm near me and we'll
Speaker 3: hang out a lot. There's great people, and you know,
Speaker 3: once they start a family, when they put poker aside,
Speaker 3: they're going to be great parents. And it's good to
Speaker 3: see successful people who are great people.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a handful of spots off the money
Speaker 1: on day four?
Speaker 2: Are you going to attack? Is that the plan? Is
Speaker 2: that always the plan?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you were raising quite a bit
Speaker 1: there at the end of the night. I mean I
Speaker 1: literally I was ending two for the last four hours.
Speaker 3: In almost every spot I folded bottom five percent in
Speaker 3: a few There's a lot of you know, really tight
Speaker 3: big blinds.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just got kind.
Speaker 3: Of fucked post flap, never foughted equity, and the people
Speaker 3: have called I just knew had good hands, so I
Speaker 3: just check folded a lot. It's kind of what you
Speaker 3: have to do. You risk a little to win a little,
Speaker 3: and you try to do that every hand.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to talk to Seawande, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest poker players in the world. He's always done him
Speaker 1: for that Player of the year. He's always goun in
Speaker 1: for that Player of the year. And I know, you know,
Speaker 1: he mentioned how he's just got to really put up cashes,
Speaker 1: but he always seems aware of how everyone else is doing.
Speaker 1: You know, no one tracks a Player of the Year
Speaker 1: like Sean Deep does. And we'll see if he can
Speaker 1: ultimately get another title. And while we're on Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, I mean we got we've got to Phil
Speaker 1: Halmy causing up a stir out there. He's putting it
Speaker 1: on social media that the Player of the year it
Speaker 1: should be required that the player has a winning summer
Speaker 1: or a profitable summer or year, or however that you
Speaker 1: want to do it if all you know, if Europe
Speaker 1: counts paradise and the summer, then okay, fine, I mean
Speaker 1: that makes no damn sense to me. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's just silly, Okay. The Player of the Year award
Speaker 1: is it's a volume based award, or at least it
Speaker 1: lends itself more to favor people who are putting in
Speaker 1: high volume. Now, there are some restrictions in places where
Speaker 1: I think it's your best fifteen cashes count, so it's
Speaker 1: not just unlimited. Here's the example that I would like
Speaker 1: to use. Let's say you win four bracelets in fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: A mixed game events.
Speaker 1: So you know, the first place prize is on the
Speaker 1: smaller side of things, anywhere from like one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand up to two hundred thousand, right, So
Speaker 1: let's say you win four of those tournaments, and especially
Speaker 1: let's say you win Let's say let's say you win
Speaker 1: four of those tournaments, but I don't know ones in
Speaker 1: in Europe, so the prize, the prize might be even smaller.
Speaker 1: That's arguably going to get you Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: But then if you go dust off two bullets in
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fifty k Super high Roller because
Speaker 1: you're chasing Player of the Year and you want to
Speaker 1: sell some additional action and get into those tournaments, and
Speaker 1: you know before you say, well, why would a fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars player ever play those tournaments. You know, why
Speaker 1: would a lesser player ever play those tournaments?
Speaker 2: Those tournaments are for the high rollers.
Speaker 1: We've seen that sort of thing in the past. I mean,
Speaker 1: the one that sticks out to me the most is
Speaker 1: when dan Zach was in the running. Dan Zac does
Speaker 1: not play super high No one had hold him tournaments,
Speaker 1: and he sold action and got into the two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty K and I believe he cashed in the
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty k super high rollers. So that
Speaker 1: that does happen. When when you get entrenched and you
Speaker 1: get rolling in this this Player of the Year race,
Speaker 1: and you're up there near the top, you're doing anything
Speaker 1: and everything to get max volume into fire all these tournaments. Right,
Speaker 1: So let's say you win that money. Let's say you
Speaker 1: win four hundred and ninety thousand dollars from those four
Speaker 1: bracelets and those smaller buying events, you know, smaller buy
Speaker 1: and smaller fields, and then you go fire two bullets
Speaker 1: in the two hundred fifty K and you're down ten
Speaker 1: K on the year. You don't win Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's just ridiculous. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here like that? That's just ridiculous. Listen,
Speaker 1: the formula is the formula, and Sean deeb he makes
Speaker 1: it known every single year that he's going for Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. That's what he's going for. And the
Speaker 1: formul It's not like the formula has been the same
Speaker 1: since the WSP Player of the Year came into existence
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. It's changed many times. And
Speaker 1: as long as Sean Deep has been pushing for that,
Speaker 1: he's always altered his game, his approach the summer, the
Speaker 1: schedule that he plays, He's always done that based on
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. And I just find it a
Speaker 1: little bit interesting that this just so happens to come
Speaker 1: from Phil Hammith, who has all this other stuff when
Speaker 1: it comes to the WSP, but he does not have
Speaker 1: the one thing that he's now complaining needs to get changed,
Speaker 1: and that is the WSP Player of the Year title.
Speaker 1: And he has come second on multiple occasions, but he
Speaker 1: has not won it. He's got seventeen goal bracelets, he's
Speaker 1: got a WSP Made Event title, he's got all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. He is mister WSP, but he does
Speaker 1: not have THESIP Player of the Year award. Well, what
Speaker 1: I would say to Phil is you can stop sleep
Speaker 1: sleep until five am, you can stop taking days off,
Speaker 1: and you can show up and put in the volume
Speaker 1: that all these other players do. Right, And if you
Speaker 1: want to make player of the other thing, then you
Speaker 1: can do it. The Player of the Year award system,
Speaker 1: the scoring system, it has improved. I think this is
Speaker 1: probably the best one that they have ever had. I
Speaker 1: think the race is shaping up awesome. It's been great
Speaker 1: to follow. There's a lot of big names gunning for it.
Speaker 1: It keeps changing, you know, pretty much by by the day.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it's the best it's ever been.
Speaker 1: Does it need to improve from here? I mean maybe sure.
Speaker 1: But the one improvement has nothing to do with being profitable.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just absolutely ridiculous, Like you should should
Speaker 1: you have to be a profitable poker player over your
Speaker 1: career to make it into the Poker Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: Because I could probably find a whole bunch of people
Speaker 1: that might not be profitable, right, so should they not
Speaker 1: get you know, all that stuff just seems silly, like
Speaker 1: let's just let's just stop with this. And then also
Speaker 1: the other thing is like from an operator side, you
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen because then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: people who are locking up wins at some point and
Speaker 1: not putting an additional volume like in my example that
Speaker 1: I gave earlier. Let's say you win four bracelets in
Speaker 1: fifteen hondre mixed game events that are smaller buying smaller fields.
Speaker 1: Therefore you get a smaller first place prize. Then maybe
Speaker 1: you don't fire the fifty k, the hunter k, the
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty k, whatever it is, those high rulers,
Speaker 1: because then you're risking actually be negative on the WSP.
Speaker 1: So why would the operator ever put that sort of
Speaker 1: rule in place? It just seems silly. So the help
Speaker 1: me just stop with that nonsense. Place Michael the Grinder,
Speaker 1: Miss Rocky, the bid to go back to back.
Speaker 2: I mean, my.
Speaker 1: Colleague Grimkrinkama the other day said, you know what, if
Speaker 1: anyone can go back to back in the was main
Speaker 1: event in this era of poker, it's Michael the Grinder
Speaker 1: of his Rocky and I mean it's it's honestly, it's
Speaker 1: hard to refute that statement. It just is Grinder is
Speaker 1: absolutely feeling it, as evidenced by the way he is playing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I asked him about it. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see how the grinder feels. And you guys can hear
Speaker 1: from his Rockie right here is.
Speaker 2: The main event easy for you? What the heck is this?
Speaker 1: You always seem to just do well, run up a
Speaker 1: stack the momentum.
Speaker 4: I'm coming off to a PLO, win the championship, win,
Speaker 4: and I just always I play a little different when
Speaker 4: I'm in the main event. I take it really serious.
Speaker 4: Well every time I played serious, but I make different
Speaker 4: plays in this tournament where I sometimes I'm careful, sometimes
Speaker 4: I take advantage of situations, but I try not to
Speaker 4: bust out, and it was never risked. I was never
Speaker 4: all in yet to get out of this tournament. So
Speaker 4: I take a lot of minimal risks in this event
Speaker 4: and just know.
Speaker 2: How to get done.
Speaker 1: Now. Obviously, you have your own type of style, and
Speaker 1: players have known that style for a while. But now
Speaker 1: that you've won this tournament, you've won the main event,
Speaker 1: are players playing a little bit differently against you? At all?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: I think players will make a lot of mistakes against me.
Speaker 4: But I've done a lot of quite a few fuck
Speaker 4: some cool cool stuff I did today like people probably
Speaker 4: haven't seen yet. And you know, trickery a lot of
Speaker 4: trickery today, a lot of creative. So I'm gonna take
Speaker 4: a look later tonight and see what hands they're showing online.
Speaker 4: Hopefully I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see two I will show too much.
Speaker 4: But I want to see what they showed tonight from
Speaker 4: the feature table. Little bit cool was on the main
Speaker 4: feature because the would have.
Speaker 2: Saw a lot of cool shit.
Speaker 1: All right, how confident are you going back to back?
Speaker 4: I'm very confident right now. I won the tournament last
Speaker 4: year PPC June twenty ninth. I won the PLO June
Speaker 4: twenty ninth. I bought it to day one. B. Everything's
Speaker 4: looking good. It's just it looks like it's everything's repeating
Speaker 4: for now.
Speaker 2: You heard it there.
Speaker 1: He feels great, he's confident, he's going to go back
Speaker 1: to back. The stars are aligning, you know. He won
Speaker 1: that fifty k PPC on June twenty ninth. He said
Speaker 1: he won the ten K Polo Championship on June twenty nine.
Speaker 1: It's all just lining up for Grinder.
Speaker 2: It just really is.
Speaker 1: And when you're watching him play, and I watched a
Speaker 1: fair bit of the stream today, I was just sucked
Speaker 1: in by Grinder up there, and a couple of things
Speaker 1: stuck out.
Speaker 2: One is.
Speaker 1: He's got a horseshoe up his ass right now, just
Speaker 1: in terms of like I mean, it's it's just he's
Speaker 1: just hot, he's running hot. He's obviously grinder knows how
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: No one.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone in poker who knows how
Speaker 1: to ride a rush better than Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky. Okay,
Speaker 1: Is Michael the Grinders Rocky the best poker player in
Speaker 1: the world, the most technical poker player in the world,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, No, okay, And I think
Speaker 1: he would be.
Speaker 2: The first to admit that.
Speaker 1: But when he's rolling, he's he's like a puppeteer with
Speaker 1: the rest of the players at his table, and he
Speaker 1: can do whatever he wants from his play the cards.
Speaker 1: He gets involved with the way that he sizes his bets,
Speaker 1: and it even extends to the table talk because he's
Speaker 1: able to to work some voodoo at times. It's it's
Speaker 1: like spooky out there to watch him, and and really
Speaker 1: no one is able to catch a rush and ride
Speaker 1: that wave like Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky does. And
Speaker 1: I think I think he's in the midst of riding
Speaker 1: a wave right now, and he's feeling it and he
Speaker 1: knows he's feeling it, and he's cooking. And you know,
Speaker 1: for some people, they can start feeling that way and
Speaker 1: it can all just go south, it can all fall apart.
Speaker 1: But for I don't know, for a grinder, I feel
Speaker 1: like it only do just builds and builds and builds
Speaker 1: and builds. So he's going to day for he's got
Speaker 1: a boatloader chip six hundred and fifteen thousand. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be an absolute freaking treat to watch
Speaker 1: this guy play the rest of the way. And he's
Speaker 1: also you know, the other thought that I was having
Speaker 1: is he might be the one player I would never
Speaker 1: want to see at my table because he's in every
Speaker 1: freaking hand. You never know what he has, he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: He's willing and capable of doing anything. So he would
Speaker 1: just be an absolute nightmare to play against. An absolute nightmare. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are many other players like him, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. For whatever reason, I would just not
Speaker 1: want Michael the Grinder and Miss Rocky I'm on my
Speaker 1: table and that if you got stuck with a table
Speaker 1: jaw with him in the WSV main event. Specifically, I
Speaker 1: mean that just that stinks. I feel like that just stinks.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he's feeling it, man, the Grinder is feeling it.
Speaker 1: Some of the players who did bust out on day three.
Speaker 1: We lost Joe McKean, we lost Phil hammonyth and we
Speaker 1: lost his son, Phil Helmuth the third. I mentioned already
Speaker 1: that Nick Helmmath was still in the tournament. Kerry Katz eliminated,
Speaker 1: Mike Holts eliminated. We talked to Ben Ludlow earlier or
Speaker 1: on an earlier episode.
Speaker 2: He's eliminated.
Speaker 1: So both of the two co hosts who joined Chad
Speaker 1: Holloway on the Poker News podcast, Mike Colts and Ben Ludlow,
Speaker 1: they are eliminated from the WOP main event. Don't worry, guys,
Speaker 1: this podcast host is also eliminated because my ass is
Speaker 1: out to Eric bald Out, Brian rast Out, Josh reichert out,
Speaker 1: Andrew Lichtenberger gone, Mike Madis Houcia and Gerard p k
Speaker 1: also eliminated. All Right, So I told you guys that
Speaker 1: I did want to just look through the chip counts,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do that because I just, you know,
Speaker 1: just let's just see what I find. Basically, what I'm
Speaker 1: doing here is I'm taking you through the process that
Speaker 1: I do anyway. Yeah, I scroll through the chips cowns,
Speaker 1: you say, Oh, that person's left, Oh, this person's left.
Speaker 1: Freed Johnton one point three million for him. Freed is
Speaker 1: a very very exciting player. I think he's known a
Speaker 1: little bit more for some of the stuff he's done
Speaker 1: on the World Pogratur. But we'll see if he can
Speaker 1: continue to make some noise here in the WSP main event.
Speaker 1: Free just one of those players where I mean he's
Speaker 1: willing to seven bit you at any given moment. He's
Speaker 1: willing to just blast over bets at any given moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's electric out there. He's a freaking
Speaker 1: stone cold killer, and he will not back down at all.
Speaker 1: Brian Yun is in the mix. Greg Mueller is still
Speaker 1: out there. I see Kyle cart right. I feel like
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that name or face in a while.
Speaker 1: Eric Lindren still in the mix. I believe Dutch boyd
Speaker 1: bagged as well. I believe my guy Ryan Brown. I
Speaker 1: talked about him many times on this podcast. Ryan Brown
Speaker 1: baged some chips. David Pretti's bagged chips. Dan Stavilla, he
Speaker 1: bagged chips. Malcolm Trainor bagchips. Malcolm Trainor won the Mystery
Speaker 1: Millions tournament at the World Series of Poker. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what year A couple of at least two years ago,
Speaker 1: if not three years ago. He just won the Ausie Millions.
Speaker 1: This in the return, so he's still in.
Speaker 2: Who else we got?
Speaker 1: Ian Mattacas Speaking of all that Player of the Year
Speaker 1: chatter Ian Mattakas is still in brock Parker, still in
Speaker 1: the mix. Tony Dunst bag chips, He's still in Ren
Speaker 1: Lynn still in. Scott Davies, still in Bruno Lopez in
Speaker 1: Brown BALLA, Ashawn Bala friends with Nick Ricotta and uh,
Speaker 1: what was it? Pat high Sakes cashing players? What I
Speaker 1: wanted to say, I was a blanket on that. Scott
Speaker 1: Lazar still in Baby said hello to him again today
Speaker 1: when I saw him. Dominic Sarley still in Vladis Thomas
Speaker 1: howskis in, David Einhorn the Billionaire, still in David Peters.
Speaker 1: He's still in. Stephen Chidwick is still in the mixed.
Speaker 1: Justin Arwine is in there. Gina Rehem bagging chips. Shoto
Speaker 1: Nakanishi in there. Michael Rocco there he is Eric Laddin.
Speaker 1: He haven't seen that name for a while. I believe
Speaker 1: he's out in New Jersey like an old schooa online player.
Speaker 1: Dylan Smith still in. Thomas Connooley, former do Hisipy main
Speaker 1: event finalist, Thomas Connooley is still in. Sean Daniels, TJ.
Speaker 1: Reid bagged chips as well. Proc Wilson is in there.
Speaker 1: Brock Wilson, He's had a pretty lackluster summer, considering how
Speaker 1: hot he was coming into the summer. He was the
Speaker 1: Poker gro Cup winner, he was the US Poker Open winner,
Speaker 1: had a ton of success on the PGT, but he
Speaker 1: has just not been able to find it when it
Speaker 1: comes to the World Series of Poker. Now that said,
Speaker 1: that can all change in this tournament, and this is
Speaker 1: the tournament to make it happen.
Speaker 2: Who else we got?
Speaker 1: Brian Campanello, He's in there, Ryan Lang. Marcel Lusk is
Speaker 1: still in and kicking. Looks like he bagged more than
Speaker 1: half a million in chips. Marcel Louse, you guys think
Speaker 1: he's going to be singing later? Is he going to
Speaker 1: be singing Bradley Rubin is in there. Salvatore de Carlo
Speaker 1: I believe he was second in the monster stack. I
Speaker 1: believe was the tournament.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 1: Jess Richards is in there. We've got Justin Lapkov and
Speaker 1: Essa k she's doing well. Ralph Perry is out there.
Speaker 1: Sean Perry was out there. I believe he bagged chips
Speaker 1: as well, going through John Mannette Farrah Galfon, she's in
Speaker 1: the mix. Patrick Leonard, I know he bagged chips. Darren
Speaker 1: Elias bagged chips. Can't remember Jeremy Osma's bag chips. I
Speaker 1: should have looked that one up. Jeremy Osmas did bag
Speaker 1: chips one hundred and ninety two thousand. Jesse Lonis bagged chips.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's Romaine Lewis is in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those tournaments where due to the
Speaker 1: sheer size of it and how long it's drawn out,
Speaker 1: you know, you just you walk around the field and
Speaker 1: you're looking around and you're always like, what, Oh, this
Speaker 1: guy's selling, that guy's stelling. Fabian Quoss still In was
Speaker 1: on the feature table. At one point I saw the
Speaker 1: future table and I was like, wait, is that Fabian Quass.
Speaker 1: We don't see Fabian Quass at all into the ws
Speaker 1: Being Made Event every single year, and it's and then
Speaker 1: he's in the WASP Made Men. He's got a bazillion chips.
Speaker 1: He played a pretty crazy hand with he had kings,
Speaker 1: his opponent had Queen's. That was on the feature table.
Speaker 1: That was a fun one. So Joe Hasham looks like
Speaker 1: he's still in. So I mean, there's just there's stories
Speaker 1: everywhere in this tournament. It's just so absolutely freaking cool.
Speaker 1: All right, I won't bore you guys with that anymore,
Speaker 1: but but you know, it's just it's fun to go
Speaker 1: through and look at the stories and see how they
Speaker 1: all shake out. It's hard to know every single player's
Speaker 1: story in the wsp Man Event, of course, but we
Speaker 1: try and learn as much as we can. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me look up one more player, Adam Levy. Adam
Speaker 1: Levey did bag chips. I know, we talked with him
Speaker 1: on yesterday's episode. He bagged three hundred and forty seven thousand.
Speaker 1: So good old Ruthless is moving forward today.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna wrap it up here, but I
Speaker 1: do want to remind you guys the next episode of
Speaker 1: this podcast is the best episode of the year the summer,
Speaker 1: hands down. It is the bubble episode, which means we
Speaker 1: are going to be out there or I'm going to
Speaker 1: be out there on the floor, phone in hand while
Speaker 1: the bubble is happening, running around talking to people.
Speaker 2: There is so much downtime.
Speaker 1: In between these hands because there are so many tables
Speaker 1: in action and all these hands are drawing out. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's a very important part of the tournament being on.
Speaker 2: The money bubble.
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll pop around and we'll put the
Speaker 1: whole bubble thing together. I know it's a chore for
Speaker 1: producer rich Rydan to edit this one, so you know,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for the hard work
Speaker 1: on this episode. And we didn't do it last year,
Speaker 1: of course because Tim and I were Will still in
Speaker 1: the tournament, shout out to us, but I'm no longer
Speaker 1: in the tournament, so I'll be able to do the
Speaker 1: bubble episode. And that's my It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: You know, we just walk around, we chat with people,
Speaker 1: we hang out, see how they're they're playing. You can
Speaker 1: you can directly ask them about maybe a big hand
Speaker 1: that they played. You can just generally ask them about
Speaker 1: their approach. You know, some people are some people are
Speaker 1: just flat out folding their hands out looking at them.
Speaker 1: You know, some people are just absolutely getting after it
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a crazy freaking scene on the bubble.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the best days of the year,
Speaker 1: the w s P main event, Bubble Day. But all right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for the pause. Shout out to
Speaker 1: producer Rich for getting this one up, and thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you to all the listeners out there. Don't forget
Speaker 1: to like subscribe, rate, review, five stars, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Let's freaking go. My name is Donny Peters,
Speaker 1: and I will talk to you guys on the next one.
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