WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.839 We to the podcast join host hoh as he discusses 2 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:19.000 the riveting Netflix original series Black Mirror. 3 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.800 Now Here he is. 4 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:29.079 Ho Sper broadcasting from Weaponar Saft Productions Studio B. Welcome 5 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:31.760 to Black Mirror Podcast and as always I'm your host, 6 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:32.640 Ho Ho. 7 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:35.320 So, how y'all's doing. I hope you're doing good. 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.000 I really do, because today we are continuing in season 9 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:45.200 seven with episode four titled Plaything. Oh yes, And I'll 10 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.640 tell you what this episode was interesting. 11 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:52.000 I mean, wow, this is this was a really good episode. 12 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.159 It really didn't know most of the time whenever I 13 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.159 sit down for these you know, I sit down with 14 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:00.039 you know, minnisoda, cup of coffee something like that, I 15 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:02.799 had a little notebook and a pen and I'm ready 16 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.959 to take some notes right this time. 17 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.599 No that it just didn't end up. 18 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.079 Happening, because as soon as I sat down and this 19 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:21.959 puppy started playing, I was immediately just just just in 20 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.000 this episode. 21 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:25.040 Totally in it. 22 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.280 I mean I didn't know what to expect going into it, 23 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.599 and just the whole thing it just it had me 24 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.959 in it from just like the first moment, right first 25 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.719 moment I was locked in this puppy. I did end 26 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.280 up taking any notes, didn't really need to. I mean, overall, 27 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.079 it was a pretty simple episode. And before we get 28 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.519 into any of that, because we do have some discussion 29 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.959 to do, and of course we are going to be 30 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.480 talking about the episodes, So spoiler alert. If you have 31 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.840 not yet checked out the episode play Thing, head on 32 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:03.079 over to Netflix check out that Black Mirror episode and 33 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.680 then come on back and we'll discuss it together. 34 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:07.400 Let's get into it. 35 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:11.759 So this puppy started off, you know, a guy walking 36 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.520 through it kind of looked like a homeless camp. If 37 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.560 I'm not mistaken, That's kind of what it reminded me 38 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.000 of at any rate. And the guy goes to a 39 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.840 convenience door, takes out what I can only assume was 40 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.120 a bottle of alcohol, but I'm not sure. I didn't 41 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.439 really get that good of a look at it. Heads 42 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.759 to the door, and then the guy is locked in. 43 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:36.599 He drops the bottle of alcohol, breaks it, and then 44 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.000 is just sitting down waiting for the cops to show up. 45 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.479 And they do. 46 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.960 You know, cops show up, and you know, it's this 47 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.840 I found kind of interesting, right, I mean, I really did. 48 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.560 I mean, it was an immediate like, you know, they 49 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.680 checked his identity using you know, a facial recognition software 50 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:03.039 that was part of their you know, the the body 51 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:07.000 cam that they had. They took a mouth swab to 52 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.960 check out as DNA and immediately it brought up a 53 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.439 red flag, like, hey, this matches, you know, evidence that 54 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.719 we have from a dead body that we found a 55 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.120 long time ago, right, I mean, that's what they found 56 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:21.800 out immediately. 57 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.879 Now this is where I was like, huh, I was 58 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.319 kind of interested. I really was at this point. I mean, 59 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.759 this is like the very first what five. 60 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.560 Minutes of the episode, and already I'm like, huh, that's 61 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.759 interesting because I mean, how close are. 62 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.039 We to that kind of tech? 63 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.639 Because we already know that they use facial recognition software. 64 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.800 We already know that, you know, especially if you go 65 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.319 to an airport, that's what they use. They're using facial 66 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.840 recognition software to find out exactly who you are. You know, 67 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.479 they try to check and track how much money. 68 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:01.919 That you have on you. 69 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.080 You know, they're I mean like this, that's just what 70 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.000 they do. And especially whenever you're in a bigger city. 71 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:12.199 You know, they got so many cameras out there tracking everybody. 72 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.240 I mean, that's just the way technology is used. 73 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:15.680 Anymore. 74 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.040 So, I mean, this wouldn't even surprise me if this 75 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:23.879 is something that they are able to do today, and 76 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.800 if they're not, I mean, how long away do you 77 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.959 think it'll be, or how much longer until you think 78 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:34.160 they're actually using this type of technology right there on 79 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.800 an officer's body cam. And I mean, in a matter 80 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.839 of speaking, it kind of seems like a no brainer, right, 81 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.600 I mean, why wouldn't they be using something like this, 82 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:47.519 you know, regardless of you know, how you feel about privacy, 83 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.639 which I mean granted, I mean I'm an advocate for privacy, 84 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.399 absolutely private property. 85 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:57.519 You should have the right to not have that kind 86 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:58.120 of thing on you. 87 00:04:58.160 --> 00:04:59.879 But at the same time, I mean I understand, you know, 88 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.480 protecting cops, I get it, you know, I really do. 89 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.120 But if you are into town square, I mean, you really. 90 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:11.000 Don't have that expectation of privacy, right, I Mean, that's 91 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:16.519 just kind of how things work, whether you believe in 92 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.040 it or whether you don't, regardless of how you feel 93 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.079 about it, That's just kind of how things are in 94 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.240 most places, you know, in a lot of places, that's 95 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.079 kind of just how it is. That's how it is, 96 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:29.800 you know, here in the States at any rate, you know, 97 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.639 overseas I don't know, and then having the you know, 98 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.439 being able to take a mouth swab and check somebody's 99 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.959 DNA immediately, like on the scene to find out who 100 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.439 the person is. I mean, we're not even talking about, 101 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:50.079 you know, fingerprint scanner. And this goes beyond facial recognition. 102 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.600 I mean, this is checking somebody's DNA right there on 103 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.639 the spot to see if it matches anything in the system. 104 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.279 How far away do you think we are to something 105 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.920 like that, I mean, at this particular point in time, 106 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.040 at least again in the States, you know, they have 107 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.800 to have a you know, you got to be arrested 108 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.639 in order to do something like that. Now, granted, this 109 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.079 was a clear cut of the guy was guilty. He 110 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.279 was caught red handed at the scene of the crime 111 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.199 with an eyewitness right there, so you know that they 112 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:23.680 had probable cause. Don't get me wrong, I don't view 113 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.560 this as a violation of somebody's rights. I mean, he's 114 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:31.920 caught red handed, right, So, but how long do you 115 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:36.279 think it'll be before they're able to do something like 116 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:42.079 that a quick DNA swab in order to like virtually 117 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:48.439 immediately see if you know, there's any other crime that 118 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.720 they know of that this person is tied to. That 119 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.360 just is mind blowing to me in a matter of 120 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.560 speaking of me, because like, now, you know, you got 121 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.800 to take these te and you got to send him 122 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.959 in and it takes time for the process and to 123 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:04.480 get done. 124 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:06.360 So I mean this right. 125 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:12.600 Here, having it like immediate access was amazing. 126 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.639 I mean, it just was. It was cool. I thought 127 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:15.879 it was neat, you know. 128 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.240 And so they arrest him, they take him back and 129 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.800 they're like, okay, tell me who the guy was. And 130 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.600 the guy goes into a story. I believe his name 131 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:33.680 was Cameron. Yeah, Cameron was the guy's name, the main character, 132 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.920 and he's telling the story of how this whole thing 133 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.160 came to pass with him being a column writer at 134 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.600 a company. 135 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.519 Called Oh what is it? What is it? What is it? Oh? 136 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:56.360 Come on pcsone. Yeah, pcsone is what he's a column 137 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.680 writer for. And what he does he refeuws video games, right, 138 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.759 I mean he plays video games, reviews them, writes the 139 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:06.879 review for the magazine too, you know, as a good 140 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.680 a bad, you know, how good do you consider this game? 141 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.199 And what I thought was neat was his character was 142 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.759 playing doom, right, I mean this is okay, ladies and gents, 143 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.560 all right, I'm I'm I'm old, right, I'm mid forties. Okay, 144 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:26.360 I am older than Apple. When I was in elementary school. 145 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.839 That was whenever you know Windows three point one was 146 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:35.279 becoming a thing computers. You know, we're still using MS DOS, 147 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.799 which stands for a Microsoft Disc operating system, not just 148 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.840 DOS shell and anymore. You can't even get DOS shell 149 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:48.039 on your system. It's only you know, Windows, Linux or 150 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.639 well whatever Apple has. I don't even know AOS. I 151 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:53.279 guess I think that's what it is. But anyway, I'm 152 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:55.840 I'm not an AOS kind of guy. I do PC 153 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:01.120 or I do Linux. That's what I use. But back 154 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.240 in the day, you know, it was MS DOS and 155 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:08.360 then Windows was kind of built on MS DOS, So 156 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.840 I mean, I remember those type of games. 157 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:12.519 I remember whenever. 158 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.559 Doom was, you know what, a three point five inch 159 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.840 floppy and it was a free game that you can 160 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.919 get sharewear is what they called it. 161 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.240 Okay, I'm yes, I'm old. I'm that old. 162 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.919 Like back in the day, whenever you know Oregon Trail 163 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.960 was on either one or two like four and a 164 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.519 quarter inch floppy disc. I'm like the the hardcore old 165 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.080 time thing, you know, not the three point five kind 166 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.799 of the hard disk, but the actual floppy disc. Yeah, 167 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:51.200 that's that's I played that like old school original, right. 168 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:59.039 And he's telling his story of how he got handpicked 169 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:06.879 by Colin Rittman to review a game that Colin Rittman 170 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.639 had had made, had produced, coded the whole nine yards. 171 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.240 And I'm hoping you remember the name Colin Ritman because 172 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.159 and you know, assuming you've watched the episode, which again, 173 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.440 if you haven't, go back watch it, come on back. 174 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:28.120 This was the developer of the game Bandersnatch. Now, dude, 175 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.600 I loved Bandersnatch. That was an awesome episode, it really was. 176 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.120 The thing was amazing, well episode, I guess it was 177 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.000 a mini movie. 178 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:37.919 You know. 179 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.360 It was fun, it was entertaining, you know, and one 180 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:44.639 of the things that it really highlighted was more or 181 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:47.159 less how society is today, right. 182 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.320 With having the you know. 183 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.159 Not actual choice, not actual freedom, but the illusion of freedom. 184 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:00.480 That's more or less how society is built today. 185 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.039 And plaything isn't exactly I mean like, it's not exactly 186 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.759 a sequel. It's just it operates within the same you know, 187 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.080 you know, it takes place after what happened in Vandersnatch. 188 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.720 It's a completely different episode, but kind of a throwback. 189 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:22.879 It's the same time, right, and he's talking about this game, 190 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.480 which was very reminiscent of like sim City or the 191 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.120 sims you know from you know, back in the day, 192 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.840 as in it was a little world. 193 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.000 And how. 194 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:42.720 Ritman described it was that it was this world where these. 195 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:49.480 AI beings hatched and multiplied. 196 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.960 And they kind of lived in this little world where 197 00:11:55.000 --> 00:12:00.240 they existed within the program. And what was amazing about 198 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.759 this was that they were already doing things beyond what 199 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.120 they were programmed to do. 200 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.840 And communication was that thing. 201 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:14.960 And to be perfectly honest with you, what what I 202 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:21.440 found amazing in that was that communication. I mean, like 203 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:27.720 real communication like that as in verbiage. That's the biggest 204 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:33.600 thing that separates us from any other animal out there, 205 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.159 you know. I mean, it's not just about being able 206 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.039 to really communicate, and it's not even you know, a 207 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.519 consciousness that you know provides reasoning, but it is a 208 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:50.600 very complicated language, and that's really the thing that separates 209 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.120 us from the rest. 210 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:54.159 Of life, right. 211 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.879 I Mean, I know I'm getting deep into psychology here, 212 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.480 but I mean that's just that's just part of it. 213 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.000 And to have these AI. 214 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.639 Creatures that are attempting to communicate, but they're using their 215 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.840 own language, I gotta you know. Okay, So whenever I 216 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.200 first kind of seen these guys and they're talking in 217 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.440 their own little language, I'm kind of thinking of like 218 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.960 a digital version of Ferbies, right, I mean, do you 219 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.080 guys remember Ferbi's from. I mean, okay, I'm going back 220 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.399 like what twenty thirty years maybe I don't remember when 221 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:29.679 Ferbies came out. 222 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:34.039 But there's these you know, these little cute well I 223 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.759 can't really call them cute. I mean they were they 224 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.200 were creepy. I mean, they really were. They were kind 225 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:39.840 of creepy looking. Look up Ferbies. 226 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:44.159 Okay, they were kind of creepy looking. And I remember 227 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.960 back in the day I was in you. 228 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:47.159 Know, my early twenties. 229 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.720 Okay, so we're talking like twenty a little over or 230 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.639 about twenty years ago. Whenever these things came out, early 231 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.759 two thousands, okay, Ferbies they were the hit item. 232 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:03.320 And what was what was interesting? 233 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:06.480 I mean, you know, these little, you know, robot things 234 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.679 that had speakers on and they kind of moved their 235 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.159 eyeballs and whatnot. But what was interesting about them is 236 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:17.440 they you know, they talked in their own language. And 237 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.679 one of the creepy aspects of it was if you 238 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.320 put two Ferbies right next to each other, they'll talk 239 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:27.039 to themselves. You don't know what the hell they're saying, 240 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.679 but they'll actually talk to themselves because they have their 241 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:32.759 own language. 242 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.039 Creepy. I am so. 243 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:41.919 Glad that, you know, these little toys, which you know, 244 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.360 kind of reminds me of like Grimlins, I guess, and 245 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.000 I'll kind of bring that up a little bit later, 246 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.080 but these these little toys, I am so glad that 247 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.559 these things came out before a I. I mean, holy, 248 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:57.879 can you imagine Ferbies like an actual toy that you have, 249 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.279 you know, like you I don't know, like eight inches tall. 250 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:04.240 I mean, they don't like move around or anything. They 251 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.240 don't rotate, they don't travel anywhere. It's not like an 252 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.639 actual moving type of a robot. It just kind of 253 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:14.000 sits there. It's a little buddy. And I mean I 254 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:15.840 don't remember if you can like pet it and it 255 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.440 had little things on it that, you know, let them 256 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.200 know that they're being petted or anything like that. 257 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.320 I don't remember that, but I just remember that. 258 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.120 They you could actually talk with them, and they can 259 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.080 talk to themselves in their own language. And holy crap, 260 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.440 I am so glad that these puppies came out way 261 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:36.799 before AI. I mean, if these things like, dude, you 262 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:40.159 want to talk about Hugh, I'll get into that. 263 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:48.399 I'll get into that. So he goes and he's. 264 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:55.440 Cameron goes to Colin Ritman and he's having this thing 265 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.879 explain to him, and Ritman is saying that, hey, this 266 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:03.799 isn't a game. This is you know, an AI computer 267 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.159 life simulation. 268 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.639 It's not a game. It's a simulation with. 269 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:20.120 Artificial intelligent beings in a digital space. 270 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.360 Mind blown, right, mind blown. 271 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:31.240 I was like, okay, and Cameron, he he takes. 272 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.559 The disc that had the program on it, stole. 273 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:42.440 It, goes home, puts it on his own computer, and immediately. 274 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.799 Gets the simulation going. 275 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.960 Now and this of course is in the flashback, and 276 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.159 they you know, they get the guy's address, they get 277 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.120 the guy's keys, and they go to his home and 278 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.559 you know, one of the things that Cameron says is, hey, 279 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.680 don't touch anything, right, and whenever they get into the 280 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.759 guy's house, now, granted is kind of destroyed, you know, 281 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:14.720 it definitely is the home of somebody whom is definitely 282 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.720 obsessed with something. And then they go into his bedroom 283 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:24.519 and they see this computer that is definitely home built, 284 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.359 all kinds of components that has been built out over time, 285 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.880 and it's just kind of like, you know, beautiful mind 286 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:36.839 type of thing going on, right, And I see the towel, 287 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.680 and I know now that it was, you know, covering 288 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.079 the monitor with the webcam, but at the time I 289 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.720 see that, and I'm hearing the noises come from it, 290 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.759 and I'm kind of thinking, you know, more or less, 291 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:55.200 I'm thinking, Ferbie, there's a that's a cage under that towel. 292 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:01.319 There's a Ferbie in there. Somehow, These little thronglets are like, 293 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:06.240 you know, they they created for themselves or or Cameron 294 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.200 created form this, this little body that they could go 295 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:13.359 into and put their conscience. I was like, dude, do 296 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.400 not take the towel off the cage. You don't want 297 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:19.240 to do that. I mean, that's what I'm thinking, right. 298 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:20.640 I mean, I don't know about you, but that's what 299 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.799 I'm thinking. I'm thinking, there's a Ferbi in there that's 300 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.319 got ai intelligent. A throng winds inside of Herbie. This 301 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.880 is not going to be good. You know, I remember 302 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.759 the episode what was it, metal Head? Yeah, that wasn't 303 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:34.279 a good thing. 304 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.160 That was bad. We don't want to do that. 305 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.079 Do not open, don't take the towel off the cage. 306 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.599 Thankfully that's not what it was. Thankfully that's not what 307 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.640 it was. But he tells the story of, you know, 308 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.839 whenever he went to work to write the review, how 309 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.359 his buddy, his little drug dealer, you know, his little 310 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.000 drug dealer friend named Lump. Now, this I also kind 311 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.039 of thought was funny. Okay, because now again I'm kind 312 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:07.119 of old and in my generation, there is a lot 313 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.559 of people that I know, friends of mine throughout the years. 314 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.119 Now, this is one of the things that there's. 315 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.000 Not necessarily a whole heck of a lot of women 316 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:17.839 out there that can relate to this. I think this 317 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.000 is I mean not strictly a guy thing, but this 318 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:25.400 is something that more or less guys understand this. You know, 319 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.799 my nickname, since I was in the fourth grade nine 320 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.839 years old, has been Hoh. I've had friends that I've 321 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.759 known for years that never knew what my name was 322 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:42.519 first name or last just nickname. And there's been a 323 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.960 lot of times where the only name that I knew 324 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.000 of the person was either a nickname or a last name, 325 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.880 because that's just kind of how you know, guys of 326 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:53.200 my generation, that's. 327 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.200 How we operated. I may not have known the guy's 328 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.000 first name. I may have only known. 329 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:04.200 A nick name and at best a last name. I mean, 330 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:09.640 I I know people that were surprised as hell whenever 331 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.599 somebody would call me by my actual name. I mean 332 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.119 they're you know, my parents even called me ho Ho 333 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:24.000 from time to time. Yeah, I mean, it's just that's 334 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:25.599 just kind of how it was, right, I mean, that's 335 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:29.240 how we operated. Teachers called me by my nickname, not 336 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:34.839 my actual name. It's crazy, it's crazy. I mean that's 337 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.640 but that's just kind of how we were back then, 338 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.400 you know. So, I mean it didn't surprise me that 339 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.759 Cameron didn't know the actual name of his friend called Lump. 340 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.519 I mean, it wasn't surprise. 341 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.160 I'm like, that's that that fits, you know, this is 342 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.039 this isn't yeah, this is a gen cher Lump. 343 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.599 Of course he doesn't know his name. Why would he. 344 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.240 He's Lump, that's what his name is. I mean, I 345 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:01.559 wasn't surprised about that. 346 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.839 But whenever he came home and when Cameron seen what 347 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:07.640 Lump had did to his. 348 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:13.000 Little AI creatures, he went off. He attacked the guy. 349 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.200 He ended up killing Lump. Holy crap. 350 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:17.960 I was like, well that just took a turn for 351 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.200 the worst. I mean, granted, we already knew, you know, 352 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.200 that a body was found. We already knew that it 353 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.440 was kind of Lump, but we didn't really know the story. 354 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.480 We didn't know why it happened. 355 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.720 And then as he as he's doing this, he's like, 356 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.920 you know, but there's something I need to show you. 357 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.359 And of which case the okay, the interface man whenever 358 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.480 you guys seen the plug in the back of his head. 359 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.079 You know, I can't really say I was thinking Matrix. 360 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.319 I mean not exactly. I mean kind of, but not really. 361 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.599 What I was really thinking of was something a little 362 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.519 different now whenever, Okay, so through the story, all right, 363 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.359 I know I'm kind of bouncing around a little, but 364 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:05.880 this is just a neat episode, so you know, all right. 365 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.440 So with AI right now? 366 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:12.119 Okay, Now, like I said, I'm kind of old, right, 367 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.160 I was around before. 368 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.359 Before Apple, before cell phones. 369 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:26.839 Really Windows three point one was like the first operating 370 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:27.920 system that I used. 371 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:34.160 I'm that old now, I remember. 372 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:43.200 Whenever the movie The Terminator first came out. And here's 373 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:48.559 the thing about the movie Terminator. This wasn't science fiction, 374 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:54.920 or it wasn't science fantasy. Wouldn't even call it science fiction. 375 00:22:55.039 --> 00:23:01.359 I mean, this was probability. That's what that movie actually was. 376 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:05.240 Because I remember that there was an interview that was 377 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.720 done on some talk show of the guy who basically 378 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:15.000 built the first computer, and one of the warnings that 379 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.480 he had for the technology was that there will come 380 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:27.880 a time that computers will become smarter than us, and 381 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.640 they will view us as a as a virus and 382 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:38.920 try to maybe not rid the world of humanity, but 383 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:44.640 the only way to protect us, to serve us, is 384 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.759 to control us and put us in bondage. It's more 385 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:53.160 or less what it amounted to that eventually, through the 386 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:58.640 progression of technology, there will be a war between mankind 387 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:03.759 and machine. And that's the story of so many sci 388 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:04.799 fi movies out there. 389 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:06.759 But that's what he says. 390 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:11.359 So like Terminator, I Robot, you know a myriad of 391 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.240 other episodes or not, you know, just movies out there, Matrix, 392 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.599 you know, just a few that come to mind. You know, 393 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.640 this is probability, This isn't science fiction. This isn't fantasy, 394 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.720 This is probability. This is what's going to happen already 395 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.400 with AI. What we have found is the same thing 396 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:35.200 that they talk about in this episode, that AI has 397 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:42.200 already done things outside of their programming. I mean, do 398 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.279 you understand the significance of that. I mean that's huge. 399 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.799 And already this has taken you know, this, this is 400 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.039 happening and AI is still in a matter of speaking, 401 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.200