Speaker 1: We to the podcast join host hoh as he discusses
Speaker 1: the riveting Netflix original series Black Mirror.
Speaker 2: Now Here he is.
Speaker 1: Ho Sper broadcasting from Weaponar Saft Productions Studio B. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Black Mirror Podcast and as always I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Ho Ho.
Speaker 2: So, how y'all's doing. I hope you're doing good.
Speaker 1: I really do, because today we are continuing in season
Speaker 1: seven with episode four titled Plaything. Oh yes, And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what this episode was interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, this is this was a really good episode.
Speaker 1: It really didn't know most of the time whenever I
Speaker 1: sit down for these you know, I sit down with
Speaker 1: you know, minnisoda, cup of coffee something like that, I
Speaker 1: had a little notebook and a pen and I'm ready
Speaker 1: to take some notes right this time.
Speaker 2: No that it just didn't end up.
Speaker 1: Happening, because as soon as I sat down and this
Speaker 1: puppy started playing, I was immediately just just just in
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 2: Totally in it.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know what to expect going into it,
Speaker 1: and just the whole thing it just it had me
Speaker 1: in it from just like the first moment, right first
Speaker 1: moment I was locked in this puppy. I did end
Speaker 1: up taking any notes, didn't really need to. I mean, overall,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty simple episode. And before we get
Speaker 1: into any of that, because we do have some discussion
Speaker 1: to do, and of course we are going to be
Speaker 1: talking about the episodes, So spoiler alert. If you have
Speaker 1: not yet checked out the episode play Thing, head on
Speaker 1: over to Netflix check out that Black Mirror episode and
Speaker 1: then come on back and we'll discuss it together.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So this puppy started off, you know, a guy walking
Speaker 1: through it kind of looked like a homeless camp. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, That's kind of what it reminded me
Speaker 1: of at any rate. And the guy goes to a
Speaker 1: convenience door, takes out what I can only assume was
Speaker 1: a bottle of alcohol, but I'm not sure. I didn't
Speaker 1: really get that good of a look at it. Heads
Speaker 1: to the door, and then the guy is locked in.
Speaker 1: He drops the bottle of alcohol, breaks it, and then
Speaker 1: is just sitting down waiting for the cops to show up.
Speaker 2: And they do.
Speaker 1: You know, cops show up, and you know, it's this
Speaker 1: I found kind of interesting, right, I mean, I really did.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was an immediate like, you know, they
Speaker 1: checked his identity using you know, a facial recognition software
Speaker 1: that was part of their you know, the the body
Speaker 1: cam that they had. They took a mouth swab to
Speaker 1: check out as DNA and immediately it brought up a
Speaker 1: red flag, like, hey, this matches, you know, evidence that
Speaker 1: we have from a dead body that we found a
Speaker 1: long time ago, right, I mean, that's what they found
Speaker 1: out immediately.
Speaker 2: Now this is where I was like, huh, I was
Speaker 2: kind of interested. I really was at this point. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is like the very first what five.
Speaker 1: Minutes of the episode, and already I'm like, huh, that's
Speaker 1: interesting because I mean, how close are.
Speaker 2: We to that kind of tech?
Speaker 1: Because we already know that they use facial recognition software.
Speaker 1: We already know that, you know, especially if you go
Speaker 1: to an airport, that's what they use. They're using facial
Speaker 1: recognition software to find out exactly who you are. You know,
Speaker 1: they try to check and track how much money.
Speaker 2: That you have on you.
Speaker 1: You know, they're I mean like this, that's just what
Speaker 1: they do. And especially whenever you're in a bigger city.
Speaker 1: You know, they got so many cameras out there tracking everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the way technology is used.
Speaker 2: Anymore.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, this wouldn't even surprise me if this
Speaker 1: is something that they are able to do today, and
Speaker 1: if they're not, I mean, how long away do you
Speaker 1: think it'll be, or how much longer until you think
Speaker 1: they're actually using this type of technology right there on
Speaker 1: an officer's body cam. And I mean, in a matter
Speaker 1: of speaking, it kind of seems like a no brainer, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't they be using something like this,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of you know, how you feel about privacy,
Speaker 1: which I mean granted, I mean I'm an advocate for privacy,
Speaker 1: absolutely private property.
Speaker 2: You should have the right to not have that kind
Speaker 2: of thing on you.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: protecting cops, I get it, you know, I really do.
Speaker 2: But if you are into town square, I mean, you really.
Speaker 1: Don't have that expectation of privacy, right, I Mean, that's
Speaker 1: just kind of how things work, whether you believe in
Speaker 1: it or whether you don't, regardless of how you feel
Speaker 1: about it, That's just kind of how things are in
Speaker 1: most places, you know, in a lot of places, that's
Speaker 1: kind of just how it is. That's how it is,
Speaker 1: you know, here in the States at any rate, you know,
Speaker 1: overseas I don't know, and then having the you know,
Speaker 1: being able to take a mouth swab and check somebody's
Speaker 1: DNA immediately, like on the scene to find out who
Speaker 1: the person is. I mean, we're not even talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, fingerprint scanner. And this goes beyond facial recognition.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is checking somebody's DNA right there on
Speaker 1: the spot to see if it matches anything in the system.
Speaker 1: How far away do you think we are to something
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, at this particular point in time,
Speaker 1: at least again in the States, you know, they have
Speaker 1: to have a you know, you got to be arrested
Speaker 1: in order to do something like that. Now, granted, this
Speaker 1: was a clear cut of the guy was guilty. He
Speaker 1: was caught red handed at the scene of the crime
Speaker 1: with an eyewitness right there, so you know that they
Speaker 1: had probable cause. Don't get me wrong, I don't view
Speaker 1: this as a violation of somebody's rights. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: caught red handed, right, So, but how long do you
Speaker 1: think it'll be before they're able to do something like
Speaker 1: that a quick DNA swab in order to like virtually
Speaker 1: immediately see if you know, there's any other crime that
Speaker 1: they know of that this person is tied to. That
Speaker 1: just is mind blowing to me in a matter of
Speaker 1: speaking of me, because like, now, you know, you got
Speaker 1: to take these te and you got to send him
Speaker 1: in and it takes time for the process and to
Speaker 1: get done.
Speaker 2: So I mean this right.
Speaker 1: Here, having it like immediate access was amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just was. It was cool. I thought
Speaker 2: it was neat, you know.
Speaker 1: And so they arrest him, they take him back and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, tell me who the guy was. And
Speaker 1: the guy goes into a story. I believe his name
Speaker 1: was Cameron. Yeah, Cameron was the guy's name, the main character,
Speaker 1: and he's telling the story of how this whole thing
Speaker 1: came to pass with him being a column writer at
Speaker 1: a company.
Speaker 2: Called Oh what is it? What is it? What is it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Come on pcsone. Yeah, pcsone is what he's a column
Speaker 1: writer for. And what he does he refeuws video games, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he plays video games, reviews them, writes the
Speaker 1: review for the magazine too, you know, as a good
Speaker 1: a bad, you know, how good do you consider this game?
Speaker 1: And what I thought was neat was his character was
Speaker 1: playing doom, right, I mean this is okay, ladies and gents,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm I'm I'm old, right, I'm mid forties. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am older than Apple. When I was in elementary school.
Speaker 1: That was whenever you know Windows three point one was
Speaker 1: becoming a thing computers. You know, we're still using MS DOS,
Speaker 1: which stands for a Microsoft Disc operating system, not just
Speaker 1: DOS shell and anymore. You can't even get DOS shell
Speaker 1: on your system. It's only you know, Windows, Linux or
Speaker 1: well whatever Apple has. I don't even know AOS. I
Speaker 1: guess I think that's what it is. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not an AOS kind of guy. I do PC
Speaker 1: or I do Linux. That's what I use. But back
Speaker 1: in the day, you know, it was MS DOS and
Speaker 1: then Windows was kind of built on MS DOS, So
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember those type of games.
Speaker 2: I remember whenever.
Speaker 1: Doom was, you know what, a three point five inch
Speaker 1: floppy and it was a free game that you can
Speaker 1: get sharewear is what they called it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm yes, I'm old. I'm that old.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, whenever you know Oregon Trail
Speaker 1: was on either one or two like four and a
Speaker 1: quarter inch floppy disc. I'm like the the hardcore old
Speaker 1: time thing, you know, not the three point five kind
Speaker 1: of the hard disk, but the actual floppy disc. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's I played that like old school original, right.
Speaker 1: And he's telling his story of how he got handpicked
Speaker 1: by Colin Rittman to review a game that Colin Rittman
Speaker 1: had had made, had produced, coded the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping you remember the name Colin Ritman because
Speaker 1: and you know, assuming you've watched the episode, which again,
Speaker 1: if you haven't, go back watch it, come on back.
Speaker 1: This was the developer of the game Bandersnatch. Now, dude,
Speaker 1: I loved Bandersnatch. That was an awesome episode, it really was.
Speaker 1: The thing was amazing, well episode, I guess it was
Speaker 1: a mini movie.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was fun, it was entertaining, you know, and one
Speaker 1: of the things that it really highlighted was more or
Speaker 1: less how society is today, right.
Speaker 2: With having the you know.
Speaker 1: Not actual choice, not actual freedom, but the illusion of freedom.
Speaker 2: That's more or less how society is built today.
Speaker 1: And plaything isn't exactly I mean like, it's not exactly
Speaker 1: a sequel. It's just it operates within the same you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it takes place after what happened in Vandersnatch.
Speaker 1: It's a completely different episode, but kind of a throwback.
Speaker 1: It's the same time, right, and he's talking about this game,
Speaker 1: which was very reminiscent of like sim City or the
Speaker 1: sims you know from you know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: as in it was a little world.
Speaker 2: And how.
Speaker 1: Ritman described it was that it was this world where these.
Speaker 2: AI beings hatched and multiplied.
Speaker 1: And they kind of lived in this little world where
Speaker 1: they existed within the program. And what was amazing about
Speaker 1: this was that they were already doing things beyond what
Speaker 1: they were programmed to do.
Speaker 2: And communication was that thing.
Speaker 1: And to be perfectly honest with you, what what I
Speaker 1: found amazing in that was that communication. I mean, like
Speaker 1: real communication like that as in verbiage. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that separates us from any other animal out there,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's not just about being able
Speaker 1: to really communicate, and it's not even you know, a
Speaker 1: consciousness that you know provides reasoning, but it is a
Speaker 1: very complicated language, and that's really the thing that separates
Speaker 1: us from the rest.
Speaker 2: Of life, right.
Speaker 1: I Mean, I know I'm getting deep into psychology here,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's just that's just part of it.
Speaker 2: And to have these AI.
Speaker 1: Creatures that are attempting to communicate, but they're using their
Speaker 1: own language, I gotta you know. Okay, So whenever I
Speaker 1: first kind of seen these guys and they're talking in
Speaker 1: their own little language, I'm kind of thinking of like
Speaker 1: a digital version of Ferbies, right, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: guys remember Ferbi's from. I mean, okay, I'm going back
Speaker 1: like what twenty thirty years maybe I don't remember when
Speaker 1: Ferbies came out.
Speaker 2: But there's these you know, these little cute well I
Speaker 2: can't really call them cute. I mean they were they
Speaker 2: were creepy. I mean, they really were. They were kind
Speaker 2: of creepy looking. Look up Ferbies.
Speaker 1: Okay, they were kind of creepy looking. And I remember
Speaker 1: back in the day I was in you.
Speaker 2: Know, my early twenties.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're talking like twenty a little over or
Speaker 1: about twenty years ago. Whenever these things came out, early
Speaker 1: two thousands, okay, Ferbies they were the hit item.
Speaker 2: And what was what was interesting?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these little, you know, robot things
Speaker 1: that had speakers on and they kind of moved their
Speaker 1: eyeballs and whatnot. But what was interesting about them is
Speaker 1: they you know, they talked in their own language. And
Speaker 1: one of the creepy aspects of it was if you
Speaker 1: put two Ferbies right next to each other, they'll talk
Speaker 1: to themselves. You don't know what the hell they're saying,
Speaker 1: but they'll actually talk to themselves because they have their
Speaker 1: own language.
Speaker 2: Creepy. I am so.
Speaker 1: Glad that, you know, these little toys, which you know,
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of like Grimlins, I guess, and
Speaker 1: I'll kind of bring that up a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but these these little toys, I am so glad that
Speaker 1: these things came out before a I. I mean, holy,
Speaker 1: can you imagine Ferbies like an actual toy that you have,
Speaker 1: you know, like you I don't know, like eight inches tall.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't like move around or anything. They
Speaker 1: don't rotate, they don't travel anywhere. It's not like an
Speaker 1: actual moving type of a robot. It just kind of
Speaker 1: sits there. It's a little buddy. And I mean I
Speaker 1: don't remember if you can like pet it and it
Speaker 1: had little things on it that, you know, let them
Speaker 1: know that they're being petted or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but I just remember that.
Speaker 1: They you could actually talk with them, and they can
Speaker 1: talk to themselves in their own language. And holy crap,
Speaker 1: I am so glad that these puppies came out way
Speaker 1: before AI. I mean, if these things like, dude, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about Hugh, I'll get into that.
Speaker 2: I'll get into that. So he goes and he's.
Speaker 1: Cameron goes to Colin Ritman and he's having this thing
Speaker 1: explain to him, and Ritman is saying that, hey, this
Speaker 1: isn't a game. This is you know, an AI computer
Speaker 1: life simulation.
Speaker 2: It's not a game. It's a simulation with.
Speaker 1: Artificial intelligent beings in a digital space.
Speaker 2: Mind blown, right, mind blown.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and Cameron, he he takes.
Speaker 2: The disc that had the program on it, stole.
Speaker 1: It, goes home, puts it on his own computer, and immediately.
Speaker 2: Gets the simulation going.
Speaker 1: Now and this of course is in the flashback, and
Speaker 1: they you know, they get the guy's address, they get
Speaker 1: the guy's keys, and they go to his home and
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that Cameron says is, hey,
Speaker 1: don't touch anything, right, and whenever they get into the
Speaker 1: guy's house, now, granted is kind of destroyed, you know,
Speaker 1: it definitely is the home of somebody whom is definitely
Speaker 1: obsessed with something. And then they go into his bedroom
Speaker 1: and they see this computer that is definitely home built,
Speaker 1: all kinds of components that has been built out over time,
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like, you know, beautiful mind
Speaker 1: type of thing going on, right, And I see the towel,
Speaker 1: and I know now that it was, you know, covering
Speaker 1: the monitor with the webcam, but at the time I
Speaker 1: see that, and I'm hearing the noises come from it,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of thinking, you know, more or less,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Ferbie, there's a that's a cage under that towel.
Speaker 1: There's a Ferbie in there. Somehow, These little thronglets are like,
Speaker 1: you know, they they created for themselves or or Cameron
Speaker 1: created form this, this little body that they could go
Speaker 1: into and put their conscience. I was like, dude, do
Speaker 1: not take the towel off the cage. You don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, that's what I'm thinking, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I'm thinking, there's a Ferbi in there that's
Speaker 1: got ai intelligent. A throng winds inside of Herbie. This
Speaker 1: is not going to be good. You know, I remember
Speaker 1: the episode what was it, metal Head? Yeah, that wasn't
Speaker 1: a good thing.
Speaker 2: That was bad. We don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Do not open, don't take the towel off the cage.
Speaker 1: Thankfully that's not what it was. Thankfully that's not what
Speaker 1: it was. But he tells the story of, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever he went to work to write the review, how
Speaker 1: his buddy, his little drug dealer, you know, his little
Speaker 1: drug dealer friend named Lump. Now, this I also kind
Speaker 1: of thought was funny. Okay, because now again I'm kind
Speaker 1: of old and in my generation, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of people that I know, friends of mine throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Now, this is one of the things that there's.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily a whole heck of a lot of women
Speaker 1: out there that can relate to this. I think this
Speaker 1: is I mean not strictly a guy thing, but this
Speaker 1: is something that more or less guys understand this. You know,
Speaker 1: my nickname, since I was in the fourth grade nine
Speaker 1: years old, has been Hoh. I've had friends that I've
Speaker 1: known for years that never knew what my name was
Speaker 1: first name or last just nickname. And there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of times where the only name that I knew
Speaker 1: of the person was either a nickname or a last name,
Speaker 1: because that's just kind of how you know, guys of
Speaker 1: my generation, that's.
Speaker 2: How we operated. I may not have known the guy's
Speaker 2: first name. I may have only known.
Speaker 1: A nick name and at best a last name. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I know people that were surprised as hell whenever
Speaker 1: somebody would call me by my actual name. I mean
Speaker 1: they're you know, my parents even called me ho Ho
Speaker 1: from time to time. Yeah, I mean, it's just that's
Speaker 1: just kind of how it was, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how we operated. Teachers called me by my nickname, not
Speaker 1: my actual name. It's crazy, it's crazy. I mean that's
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of how we were back then,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean it didn't surprise me that
Speaker 1: Cameron didn't know the actual name of his friend called Lump.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't surprise.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that that fits, you know, this is
Speaker 1: this isn't yeah, this is a gen cher Lump.
Speaker 2: Of course he doesn't know his name. Why would he.
Speaker 2: He's Lump, that's what his name is. I mean, I
Speaker 2: wasn't surprised about that.
Speaker 1: But whenever he came home and when Cameron seen what
Speaker 1: Lump had did to his.
Speaker 2: Little AI creatures, he went off. He attacked the guy.
Speaker 2: He ended up killing Lump. Holy crap.
Speaker 1: I was like, well that just took a turn for
Speaker 1: the worst. I mean, granted, we already knew, you know,
Speaker 1: that a body was found. We already knew that it
Speaker 1: was kind of Lump, but we didn't really know the story.
Speaker 2: We didn't know why it happened.
Speaker 1: And then as he as he's doing this, he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, but there's something I need to show you.
Speaker 1: And of which case the okay, the interface man whenever
Speaker 1: you guys seen the plug in the back of his head.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't really say I was thinking Matrix.
Speaker 1: I mean not exactly. I mean kind of, but not really.
Speaker 1: What I was really thinking of was something a little
Speaker 1: different now whenever, Okay, so through the story, all right,
Speaker 1: I know I'm kind of bouncing around a little, but
Speaker 1: this is just a neat episode, so you know, all right.
Speaker 2: So with AI right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, like I said, I'm kind of old, right,
Speaker 1: I was around before.
Speaker 2: Before Apple, before cell phones.
Speaker 1: Really Windows three point one was like the first operating
Speaker 1: system that I used.
Speaker 2: I'm that old now, I remember.
Speaker 1: Whenever the movie The Terminator first came out. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing about the movie Terminator. This wasn't science fiction,
Speaker 1: or it wasn't science fantasy. Wouldn't even call it science fiction.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was probability. That's what that movie actually was.
Speaker 1: Because I remember that there was an interview that was
Speaker 1: done on some talk show of the guy who basically
Speaker 1: built the first computer, and one of the warnings that
Speaker 1: he had for the technology was that there will come
Speaker 1: a time that computers will become smarter than us, and
Speaker 1: they will view us as a as a virus and
Speaker 1: try to maybe not rid the world of humanity, but
Speaker 1: the only way to protect us, to serve us, is
Speaker 1: to control us and put us in bondage. It's more
Speaker 1: or less what it amounted to that eventually, through the
Speaker 1: progression of technology, there will be a war between mankind
Speaker 1: and machine. And that's the story of so many sci
Speaker 1: fi movies out there.
Speaker 2: But that's what he says.
Speaker 1: So like Terminator, I Robot, you know a myriad of
Speaker 1: other episodes or not, you know, just movies out there, Matrix,
Speaker 1: you know, just a few that come to mind. You know,
Speaker 1: this is probability, This isn't science fiction. This isn't fantasy,
Speaker 1: This is probability. This is what's going to happen already
Speaker 1: with AI. What we have found is the same thing
Speaker 1: that they talk about in this episode, that AI has
Speaker 1: already done things outside of their programming. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you understand the significance of that. I mean that's huge.
Speaker 2: And already this has taken you know, this, this is
Speaker 2: happening and AI is still in a matter of speaking,
Speaker 2: in its infancy stage. It's not even a teenager yet.
Speaker 2: There's still you know, AI is still a toddler.
Speaker 1: But already AI is doing things beyond the scope of
Speaker 1: what it was programmed to do.
Speaker 2: That's like a PC.
Speaker 1: That can operate an Apple program without an emulator. You can,
Speaker 1: computer programmers out there, you computer people out there, you
Speaker 1: understand the significance of that. You know, PC and Linux
Speaker 1: are at least similar, but Linux and Apple, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's like a Linux being able to operate an Apple
Speaker 1: program without any type of emulator. That's what these computers
Speaker 1: are doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not.
Speaker 1: Supposed to do that. And AI is figured away. Life
Speaker 1: will find a way. If you've watched Jurassic Park, Crazy anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get back into this.
Speaker 2: I'm tangenting. I apologize, but.
Speaker 1: He he makes you know, the the the program. These
Speaker 1: little thronglets, throng lits, thronglets, thronglets.
Speaker 2: What the hell are they called?
Speaker 1: I wanting to say to Nope, that's not it, only
Speaker 1: crap thronglets, I think. So thronglets, Yes, that's what they're called.
Speaker 1: So these thronglets teach Cameron how to, you know, put
Speaker 1: this little jack into the back of his head so
Speaker 1: that this way the thronglets can communicate and plug in
Speaker 1: directly into his head, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is this is one of them other things. Okay.
Speaker 1: The human brain is more or less a computer, pure, basic, simple,
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is. The brain is a computer.
Speaker 1: The problem with a brain and an actual computer hard
Speaker 1: drive is is the inner face between the two.
Speaker 2: They do not speak the same language. You know.
Speaker 1: The brain is a biocomputer and a computer is a
Speaker 1: is a machine computer. You know. Getting the two to
Speaker 1: communicate has always been the uh, the thing that holds
Speaker 1: back a lot of what we know is possible, you know,
Speaker 1: like things that have happened in numerous different episodes uploading
Speaker 1: somebody's consciousness into a machine, you know, one we don't
Speaker 1: necessarily you know that something like that isn't possible without
Speaker 1: several different things, you know, fiber optic communication lines without
Speaker 1: you know, a crystalline type of a storage device, without
Speaker 1: quantum computing capabilities. I mean, that type of thing isn't
Speaker 1: possible outside of that, and they've kind of figured out
Speaker 1: a way how to do it. But getting the two
Speaker 1: to communicate has always been a huge thing that has
Speaker 1: kept that type of technology from becoming a real And.
Speaker 2: We're getting close. That's the thing. We're getting close.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, right, So awesome it really is, I mean terrifying, sure,
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of awesome.
Speaker 2: It's kind of neat. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 2: far away we are to that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Like I've heard reports that, you know, they have been
Speaker 1: able to map somebody's consciousness, and that just blows me away.
Speaker 2: I mean, we never.
Speaker 1: Would have thought about that kind of thing being in
Speaker 1: reality not that long ago. No. I mean, granted, there's
Speaker 1: been movies that talked about it. Chappy is one of them,
Speaker 1: good underrated movie. They had Wolverine in it. I mean
Speaker 1: not actually Wolverine. But Hugh Jackman, but I mean we've
Speaker 1: been experimenting and trying to do that for a number
Speaker 1: of years. We've just never been able to do it.
Speaker 1: And here you have an AI that told this guy
Speaker 1: how to do it and he did it.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just crazy. And then.
Speaker 1: Now here's kind of an underlying theme about this, because
Speaker 1: this episode kind of had the same type of theme
Speaker 1: in it that all of those type of movies have.
Speaker 1: Terminator I, Robot, the Matrix, The humanity is a plague,
Speaker 1: and that's how these little thronglets view humanity because after
Speaker 1: you know, Lump just tortures the thronglets within the simulation
Speaker 1: and Cameron defends them and ends up deleting Lump. They're
Speaker 1: you know, the thronglets are terrified, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of what the whole thing is. They're kind
Speaker 1: of terrified, and you know, and through their connection, they
Speaker 1: teach them how to expand the computer.
Speaker 2: Build this out, do this, do that, do the other.
Speaker 1: And then and here's where it gets interesting because Camera
Speaker 1: is in there talk with the cops and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, look, you had no idea who I was. You
Speaker 2: only caught me because I allowed it.
Speaker 1: I was stealing that in order to get caught, so
Speaker 1: you would bring me here. And he draws what I
Speaker 1: can only you know, considers like a round type of
Speaker 1: you know, QR code. And he draws this thing on
Speaker 1: a piece of paper with a felt tippin and then
Speaker 1: he holds it.
Speaker 2: Up for the camera to see.
Speaker 1: And is what that does is it was basically a
Speaker 1: code computer language to upload a virus, a trojan horse,
Speaker 1: allowing the Thronglets to gain access to the police department's.
Speaker 2: Computer. That was just whoa.
Speaker 1: And then they played this song, well not really this song,
Speaker 1: but they played this sound on the emergency broadcast system
Speaker 1: and it was a song that basically a sound a
Speaker 1: song and what you know what I'm saying, a sound
Speaker 1: that you know much like you know back in the
Speaker 1: day whenever we had you know, dial up the computer language,
Speaker 1: and it kind of gave a back door using this
Speaker 1: audio sound allowed the Thronglets to back door access to
Speaker 1: the mind of anybody that heard that sound. I was like, whoa.
Speaker 1: And the episode ends with Cameron reaching down to the
Speaker 1: cop as if he's about ready to wake up. Basically,
Speaker 1: as a thronglet, you don't see the hand reach up
Speaker 1: and grab camerons. You don't see that, but that's what's coming, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like if if the camera would have stayed
Speaker 1: on for just a second more, that's what you would
Speaker 1: have seen.
Speaker 2: But it fades to black before it actually happened. Dude.
Speaker 2: That was just an awesome episode. It really was.
Speaker 1: That was so cool and just the things that were coming,
Speaker 1: you know, because this is totally different than Bandersnatch within
Speaker 1: the same you know, extended universe if you will, a
Speaker 1: continuation of the story, you know, throw back to Bandersnatch.
Speaker 2: Awesome episode, but this is.
Speaker 1: Kind of tackling that whole technology a different way though,
Speaker 1: because it's talking about, you know, the fear of what AI.
Speaker 2: Can become if not.
Speaker 1: Like strictly controlled, if safeguards aren't put in.
Speaker 2: Better than the Three.
Speaker 1: Laws, right y'alls, Remember I wrote about better than the
Speaker 1: Three Laws. I mean, this was just wow, an awesome episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a couple questions. Amazing episode. I was just I was, yeah,
Speaker 1: awesome episode. So a couple questions with the whole technology
Speaker 1: thing that they demonstrate in the beginning of this, with
Speaker 1: you know, with the police officers having the you know,
Speaker 1: facial recognition right there in the the body cams of
Speaker 1: the police and then like on site DNA testing to
Speaker 1: immediately do that. I mean, how do how do you
Speaker 1: think about that? You know, what's your input on that one?
Speaker 1: Do you think that is a violation of privacy? Do
Speaker 1: you think that is an overreach?
Speaker 2: Let me know.
Speaker 1: Send me an email, ho Ho at Black Mirror podcast
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Let me know. I'm because I'm kind of curious. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 1: You know, facial recognition per se and bodycams, but it
Speaker 1: seems to me like it's going another step beyond having
Speaker 1: you know, being able to do a DNA swab and
Speaker 1: get like basically immediate results right there on the scene.
Speaker 2: I mean, that.
Speaker 1: Seems a bit extreme to me, But let me know
Speaker 1: what you think. Send me an email ho Ho at
Speaker 1: Black Mirror podcast dot com. I'm interested on your input
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: And then let's go into you know, the whole.
Speaker 1: You know, interfacing with computers, like actually being able to
Speaker 1: have AI control a person or even a person you know,
Speaker 1: uploading their consciousness into you know, just just the interfacing
Speaker 1: between you know, a person's brain and a computer, the
Speaker 1: interface in between the two how long away? How far
Speaker 1: away do you think we are from having that kind
Speaker 1: of technology those capabilities? Do you think we already have it?
Speaker 1: And how long do you think something like that may
Speaker 1: be implemented? I mean we've kind of talked about that
Speaker 1: in previous episodes, right San Junipiro was one of them.
Speaker 1: Awesome episode, and we've kind of talked about that, But
Speaker 1: I mean, the same thing kind of entails here they
Speaker 1: use that type of interfacing technology. How how far away
Speaker 1: do you think we are? I mean not just from
Speaker 1: being able to do it, but having a computer that's
Speaker 1: strong enough to actually handle it and to be able
Speaker 1: to map out somebody's consciousness. Do you actually think that,
Speaker 1: you know, using some type of a sound like that
Speaker 1: would allow a computer to you know, hack their.
Speaker 2: Way into somebody's brain like what they did in this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. This seems kind of far
Speaker 1: fetched to me, but who knows. I mean, we haven't
Speaker 1: even scratched a surface of resonant frequencies. We don't even
Speaker 1: know what's possible with resonant frequency. We do know that
Speaker 1: you can do some pretty neat, amazing freaky things with
Speaker 1: resonating frequency.
Speaker 2: We know this all kinds of experiments have been done.
Speaker 1: Nikola Tesla dies some stuff with that. They actually kind
Speaker 1: of think the ain't the Pyramids of Egypt was, you know,
Speaker 1: was built put together using resonant frequencies?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, weird.
Speaker 1: And what do you think about, you know, an actual
Speaker 1: computer game where it.
Speaker 2: Is an AI world.
Speaker 1: Completely enclosed in in it. You know, they kind of
Speaker 1: do their own things, you know, a step beyond sim
Speaker 1: city and things of that nature. I mean, how far
Speaker 1: away do you think we are from something like that?
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of neat interesting. You know, we kind
Speaker 1: of have that in video games as it is right now.
Speaker 1: I mean they operate within the parameters of the program,
Speaker 1: but I mean we already have that kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting stuff, interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, thanks to a listener, I found out that there
Speaker 1: is an app that you can get that you can
Speaker 1: play with thronglets.
Speaker 2: I've just downloaded the app.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually played anything with it yet, I haven't
Speaker 1: used it yet, but through him, I have found out
Speaker 1: that there's some you know, other additional content that is
Speaker 1: available by playing this game doing different things. And you know,
Speaker 1: again I haven't done it yet. I haven't played it,
Speaker 1: but I will and on the next episode for Eulogy,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about my progress with the game, and after
Speaker 1: I do the season seven review, I'll do a follow
Speaker 1: up for Plaything and talk about some of the hidden
Speaker 1: content the game itself, different things of that nature.
Speaker 2: So we will be getting.
Speaker 1: More into that after I do the season seven reviews.
Speaker 1: So let me know what you think about Plaything. Did
Speaker 1: you like the episode, how did it rank so far
Speaker 1: within season seven? Because I think me personally, I really
Speaker 1: liked the episode. I really don I mean that type
Speaker 1: of thing, especially whenever they're dealing with AI and you know,
Speaker 1: interfacing stuff like that. I find that extremely intriguing. You know,
Speaker 1: it just it amazes me how far we've come in
Speaker 1: technology in a very very short amount of time. I
Speaker 1: find it just amazing. I mean, my lifetime, I have
Speaker 1: seen technology grow to just unbelievable capabilities. I mean, the
Speaker 1: things that we can legitimately do today.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't even have dreamed.
Speaker 1: It could even be possible when I was in elementary school.
Speaker 1: Whenever I graduated high school, even we just weren't there yet. Communications, computing,
Speaker 1: digital communication in general. I mean, it's just it's mind
Speaker 1: blowing how far we've come. So, you know, the younger
Speaker 1: generation right now can't imagine a world without technology. I
Speaker 1: grew up in a world without it. I had to adapt. Well, hell,
Speaker 1: my generation built the stuff. What am I saying?
Speaker 2: It's amazing stuff though, I mean it really is. It's
Speaker 2: just wow, where are.
Speaker 1: We going to be in the next twenty years? I
Speaker 1: mean that's kind of the question, right where are we
Speaker 1: going to be in twenty more years? I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: I wanted flying cars, Okay. I came from you know,
Speaker 1: I watched Back to the Future whenever that first came
Speaker 1: out in the eighties. I mean, we've already reached the
Speaker 1: timeframe worse supposed to have flying cars. I want my
Speaker 1: flying car, dad, gumm it. Anyway, that's all I got
Speaker 1: for y'all today.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Let me know what you think about the episode. Send
Speaker 1: me an email ho Ho at Black Mirror podcast dot com. Anyway,
Speaker 1: y'alls have yourself a great one and I'll see you
Speaker 1: in the next one.
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