1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:01:10,239 Speaker 1: Yes, far out the exterior darkness, no breath steeps, no 2 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,519 light shines, and no sound is heard. One can glance 3 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,680 towards the spinning earth ball in the astral regions. Illumination 4 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:20,799 is of the soul. Hence all is dark, but this 5 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,120 certain star, and only a part of it, is a glow. 6 00:01:24,519 --> 00:01:27,359 From such a distance one can obtain an utterly untrammeled 7 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,480 view of what is transpiring on this earth ball. Drawing 8 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:35,760 somewhat closer, continents are visible. Closer yet population streams. One 9 00:01:35,799 --> 00:01:39,879 focal point exists, whence the light goes forth in all directions. 10 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,400 It is the crooked peninsula of Europe. On this tiny 11 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:46,079 pendant of the great land mass of the earth ball, 12 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,959 the greatest intensity of movement exists. One can see for 13 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,920 out here the soul and its emanations are visible. A 14 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:59,560 concentration of ideas, energy, ambition, purpose, expansiveness will to form. 15 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Hovering above Europe, we can see what never before was 16 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:07,480 so clearly visible, the presence of a purely spiritual organism. 17 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,960 A close look reveals that the light stream is not 18 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,680 flowing from the surface of the Earth upwards into the 19 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:17,879 night sky, but downwards from the hitherto invisible organism. This 20 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,120 is this discovery of profound and revolutionary importance, which was 21 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:25,360 only vouchsafed to us by reason of our complete detachment 22 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,039 from terrestrial events in the outer void, where spirit is 23 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:32,439 visible and matter visible only by reason of the light 24 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:39,680 from the spirit. Thus begins Francis Parker Yaki's magnum Opus 25 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:43,400 and I contend one of the greatest books of the 26 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,919 entire twentieth century written by an American imperium the philosophy 27 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,879 of history and politics. That little sample gives you an 28 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:54,719 idea of what you're in for when reading Imperium and 29 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,680 I worry Imperium has a reputation because it's so long, 30 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,080 of being dense and difficult to reach, it's imminently readable. 31 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,360 And the entire book reads that way. And you can 32 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,840 already see in the first opening paragraph. And this drew 33 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:11,240 me in immediately. I was sold immediately when I read 34 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,879 this paragraph on this guy and this book. This gives 35 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,919 you an idea of how Yaki talks about culture and 36 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,639 how Yaki talks about race. It's a book of metaphysics, 37 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,319 and he talks about the spiritual, and he talks about 38 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,520 materialism as a fallen state in the spiritual being a 39 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,719 higher thing that most intellectuals and historians ignore. Part of 40 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,919 Yaki's mission was to bring the spiritual aspect of culture 41 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,560 back into the discourse. And tonight Thomas and Pete have 42 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,919 joined me to talk about Yaki Yaki's perspective on race, 43 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:49,280 but Yaki in general, and his ideas and how they 44 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 why they are important for us today. And I guess 45 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:56,319 my first question to you guys, before we get into 46 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,879 Yaki's ideas, is that I don't think we can call 47 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Yaki forgotten anymore. But he was forgotten for a time, 48 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,439 or not forgotten, maybe overlooked is a better word. And 49 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,879 I've personally never heard of him until maybe five years ago. 50 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,199 So I think it's good to start by saying that 51 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,720 this man's work was intentionally buried. This man's work was 52 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:26,199 intentionally kept out of the discourse. And I don't think 53 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,360 there's anything like this that's been written by an American 54 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,720 since World War Two. I want to say I don't 55 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,759 want to call him forgotten now because he's been brought 56 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,759 up by the dissident right and he's being talked about 57 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:40,879 now online. But for a long time, I don't know. 58 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,560 I don't know if his name was talked about in 59 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:45,240 political discourse much at all. 60 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: I suh teric. I mean, there's a handful of people 61 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:52,279 who really understand Yaki, like that's not some kind of 62 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,600 flex and honestly, and nor is this a flex. But 63 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,600 the reason why Yaki as Kasha now and is because 64 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:07,319 of me. I mean, I you know, the fact of 65 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:11,680 the matter is unless you've got some rudimentary fluency in 66 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:16,040 German like reading it, you're not gonna understand Heidegger. You're 67 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:18,519 not gonna understand Ficta. You're not gonna understand Chopin. However, 68 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:22,079 you're not really gonna understand Nietzsche, which means you're not 69 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,279 really gonna understand as well Spangler nor Hagel, which means 70 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,079 you're not really gonna understand Francis YACKI. So there's these 71 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,680 guys who on what passes for like the dissident right 72 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,079 in America, and despite what the Internet guys think, it 73 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,959 wasn't like the dissident right wasn't like invented in twenty 74 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:45,120 nineteen by like Internet guys. It goes back decades upon decades. 75 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,519 But their perspective was generally like this kind of policy based, 76 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,240 pragmatic viewpoint that was like discreetly oriented towards specific problems 77 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,279 like why is racial integration being forced at gunpoint? And 78 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,680 looks like at that from a policy perspective, or like 79 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,480 why is there this kind of schizophrenic seeming disposition towards 80 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,439 the Cold War and communism? Looks like deal with that? 81 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,839 You know, like America is not a philosophically driven society. 82 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,839 You know, like there's like Roy Russell correct Mede that point. 83 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:21,360 This isn't something like wild dissident point. So this like 84 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:29,160 Hegelian Spinglerian like national socialist author who basically defected the Europe. Like, 85 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:31,639 no one's going to be into that because it's it's 86 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:37,319 not speaking their language figuratively and literally. And Willis Cartero, 87 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:40,959 who was an important guy. And there's the Willis carter 88 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,959 Library now online, which I highly recommend to people because 89 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:47,319 there's some really fascinating stuff there if you're a historical 90 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,959 research or not just his writing, but his correspondences with 91 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,920 all kinds of people and stuff. But Cardo Cardo has 92 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,480 kind of in that vanity American right I talked about. 93 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,519 But Carter realized, Yaki, he was an important person who 94 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,920 had important things to say. So when Yaki was locked 95 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,720 up in San Francisco on on Schorge, devestpionage and a 96 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:14,160 bunch of other stuff, Carter went to visit him and 97 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:17,959 made sure he made contact like with Yaki's sisters and stuff, 98 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,759 so that he could make sure that like his his 99 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:24,519 his work got out there. Because Yaki's number was up. 100 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,480 Even if he hadn't killed himself, he was gonna go 101 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:32,279 away probably for like decades, okay, And Carter was the 102 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:38,079 first to admit he wasn't some like political theory scholar 103 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:43,040 or some kind of like high falutin intellectual. But again 104 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,480 to his credit, he realized this was very important, you know. 105 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:51,199 But again the reason why people never really bandied Yaki 106 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:53,399 is because they didn't understand him, Like he wasn't even 107 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,399 in there. He wasn't even in their wheelhouse. And that's 108 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:00,399 like a point. When I started studying this kind of stuff, 109 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,319 I came across Yaki through the I h R n 110 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,160 C Versus Over Review because like Vick, you know, pre Internet, 111 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:10,920 their newsletter was like an essential source of a scholarly 112 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,959 information and Yaki's book would come up again and again. 113 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,959 And that owe to Keith Sneimley, who I mentioned before, 114 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:24,480 I went live who was a an I HR writer 115 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,079 and he h he was a big Yaki. I So 116 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,600 I began wondering, like, what's like. You know, you'd hear 117 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,519 like bits and pieces about Yaqui being an important uh 118 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,039 intellectual from various people. And Yaki was also much a partisan. 119 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:43,600 I mean that's why he died. I mean he was 120 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,440 he was very engaged as as a as an active partisan. 121 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:51,879 But so I sought out Imperium and I found out 122 00:08:51,919 --> 00:08:54,840 to use the bookstore and I started diving into it, 123 00:08:55,039 --> 00:08:59,480 and I realized, Okay, this is like the only like 124 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:02,720 meaning full post war statement in national socialism in English. 125 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:06,799 It's not like because Americans don't know what the fuck they're 126 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:09,960 talking about in this regard generally, like national socialis isn't 127 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:12,679 George onnkon Rockwell like trolling black people. 128 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: It's not. 129 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: It's not. It's not. It's not guys who who don't 130 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,799 like school bussing, like dressing up like Horst Vessel. You know, 131 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,200 it's not. It's not just like conservatism on steroids, you know, 132 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,600 like and other than Yaki and guys like George solvester 133 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:34,320 Viereck and Kandie McGinley and a guy who I think 134 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,759 who I draw a out of inspiration from James Hartzung 135 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:42,559 Medal and the National Renaissance Party, like they were very 136 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,600 thick with yacky like Maddal new yaky and anything Rockwell 137 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,799 did that was worthwhile, which was not a lot. He 138 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:55,039 basically stole from metal like Maddal had a legit like 139 00:09:55,279 --> 00:10:01,919 fascist presence in the street in the fifties, and the 140 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:05,960 NRP indored until the late seventies, and they were openly 141 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:08,840 pro Soviet now because they liked Stalinism and not because 142 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,840 they liked the Russians. But they realized that the Cold 143 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:19,639 War paradigm, you know, meant that uh, an American victory 144 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,120 in the Cold War would lead to the situation we 145 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,360 have now. And if for no other reason, you know 146 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:32,360 that Europe's only Europe's only opportunity to liberate itself would 147 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 be some kind of concord with the Soviets. Was absolutely true. 148 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:37,720 You know, these these these are the only guys who 149 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,519 were who really understood national socialism. I realized that was 150 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,200 long winded, but that's I mean that, that's that's why, 151 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,639 like you don't really see Yaki on the right. I mean, 152 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,480 now you've got people on the internet who banded you 153 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,320 and without really understanding. But yeah, well that's true. 154 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: I found out who Yaki was because of you, and 155 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,600 I had read Decline of the West, both volumes, and 156 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,519 you know, at this point, having read Emperium more than once, 157 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,399 I would say you should probably go straight from Spangler 158 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,919 to Yaki. He's he's very much Spangler's air. And I 159 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,799 don't know. I think this stuff is pretty lucid and 160 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,799 straightforward and comprehendible if you haven't read Spangler. But I 161 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:24,799 think you're missing a lot if you haven't read Spangler. 162 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,159 Speaker 2: I mean, like I I said, the standing to people 163 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,679 about Heidiger, it's like, yeah, like in plain English, if 164 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,600 there's a correct translation of Heidegger, you can proceed it 165 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,240 in some basic way. But you basically need to have 166 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,000 a deep understanding of Aristotle, and that means you need 167 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,240 to have a deep understanding of the prescritics. And again 168 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:52,960 you've also got to understand the lineage there, you know, 169 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,679 And I don't. 170 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:55,919 Speaker 3: I don't. 171 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,279 Speaker 2: I don't present myself as understanding these things that I'm 172 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,960 so smart. But I'm almost fifty years old and I've 173 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,559 spent thirty years studying this stuff. You know, I mean 174 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 like it so there, so there's that, you know, like 175 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:13,159 it's a very involved enterprise, and there's epistemic priors to 176 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,799 people like Jaqui and Spangler that draw upon the European 177 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:21,080 canon that again like doesn't really exist in America, you know, 178 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,720 like such that there's an American like metaphysical tradition. It's basically, uh, 179 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,960 it's basically biblical, you know, and that's and I'm not 180 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,080 putting shade on that. That's my own heritage. You know, I'm 181 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:40,639 a Bible Protestant. There's a the Federalist papers, uh like 182 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:45,240 draw upon the capital are Republican tradition in some basic way. 183 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,399 But you know, there's not there's not there's not a 184 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,600 philosophical tradition in America that's continental and such that there's 185 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:59,559 like American philosophers like they're they're guys in the analytics school, 186 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,639 and it's the formal logic and like philosophy of science 187 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,759 and like theoretical math. There's nothing that's that's important stuff. 188 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:10,399 But that's not political theory. It's something totally different. 189 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: Well, I was okay, so I'd like to start with 190 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:21,320 so check the show notes, because Thomas and Pete have 191 00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:24,320 a great episode which is more introductory on Yaki. I'd 192 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,200 like to just get right into his ideas and his 193 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,200 concepts here because they're pretty idiosyncratic for an American audience. 194 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,279 And to build on the last episode. I don't know 195 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,600 if how do how does Yaqui understand race? And how 196 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,039 does Yaquie talk about race? And the thing that I 197 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,519 really want to ask is why was his perspective on 198 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,720 race controversial? And it still is today. 199 00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:54,919 Speaker 2: Because Americans don't understand it because it comes on epistemic triers. Okay, 200 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,840 if you're talking about including the actual national song of 201 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,919 the third Reich, if you're talking about race like Ross 202 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,080 and in the traditionally understood sense, you're not talking about 203 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,080 like people's biology or like you know, animal husband dream 204 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,759 but applied to people, and like we're not talking about 205 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,559 race because we're worried about you know, do these people 206 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,240 have an IQ? Like these people? So is affirmative action 207 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,639 the right way to go? That that's not within anybody's contemplation, 208 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:33,759 but Americans yea. And this kind of idea. The fact 209 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:36,080 of the matter is what Americans think is like right wing. 210 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:40,320 They think it's basically like a post Enlightenment discussion, unlike 211 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,720 the efficacy of like treating everyone the same or different. 212 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,840 That has nothing to do with with with with with 213 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:53,399 capital or race. The August position is this, it's it's 214 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,720 it's it's the Aristotelian position. It's the it's the traditional 215 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:02,720 capital t position that the origins of human culture, like 216 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:06,080 the origin of human life, is mysterious. It's not clear 217 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,240 exactly where this comes from. But what's fundamentally important to 218 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:14,480 it is things like historical memory, which is in part 219 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:20,039 biological and epigenetic but is in part ill understood, and 220 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,039 like how people inherit it. Oh, the things that can't 221 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,960 really be rationally quantified. You know, culture basically is defined 222 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:34,240 by prime symbols, a certain like esthetic, like a certain 223 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,120 series of symbolic psychological phenomenon that people identify with in 224 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:43,799 some perennial way, you know, the natural environment in which 225 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,039 they live, like the soil in which they're dead are 226 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,000 literally buried, and then from which like the food the eagros. 227 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:53,200 You know, this has the effect of like shaping like 228 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:58,519 a people into kind of like this common like social organism. 229 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:02,480 And that's what a race is, like, is there a 230 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:06,360 biological component to it? Like, yeah, of course, but like 231 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,480 you're not. I mean the point of people bore too, 232 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,840 especially these like weirdos who insist that like being Jewish 233 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,120 is some like biological thing. It's like, so if I 234 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,440 took I took like a baby who like had Jewish 235 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,480 parents and put him on a desert island and he 236 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:23,799 never heard of like the outside world, Like when hit 237 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,519 twelve years old suddenly start acting Jewish like that that's retarded, 238 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,000 that's not that's not the way human life is. And 239 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,600 but that was like that was Jacky's like perspective on 240 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,120 a race, okay, and like the collision with the modern 241 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,679 world of you know, traditional things and the capital t 242 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:50,159 this this kind of fear and loathing of what Arms 243 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,639 and Nodi called practical transcendence, this kind of not just 244 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:58,799 like a demystifying of the world, but this kind of 245 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:04,720 inability for people to engage psychologically anymore with you know, 246 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:08,759 these prime symbolic aspects of culture, but also the historical 247 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:11,720 phenomenon that underlies it. Like that was like a big 248 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,160 concermon national socialist obviously that was like their paramount concern. 249 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,519 But people like misunderstand. But you know because in the 250 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:22,960 twentieth century, as politics became total, and the state became 251 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:26,720 this kind of absolute arbiter of affairs of a political 252 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,359 and sociological nature. You'd have like you'd have guys like 253 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,240 in the Third Reich and in America and everywhere talking 254 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:39,400 about race, you know, in in juristic terms or in 255 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,240 administrative terms, like oh, we need to sterilize habitual criminals, 256 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,880 or how do we define as a matter of law, 257 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:50,279 like who is a white person? That's not what we're 258 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:53,079 talking about in philosophical terms. It's like whatever race is. 259 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:58,000 You know, you're talking about like some kind of some 260 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,000 kind of diminished understanding of an incredibly complicated and deep 261 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,759 phenomenon for the purpose of administrative like praxis and like 262 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,319 a practical business and government, and like that's what the 263 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,720 problem is. Yeah, And like, don't get me wrong, like 264 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,720 people who's people who are interested in like human biological 265 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:18,200 diversity and interested in like race and anthropological terms and 266 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:20,119 not saying it's like something wrong with it. And I'm 267 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,960 not saying it's not important. But that's totally different than 268 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,799 like what I'm talking about and what people at Yaki 269 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,240 and Heidegger and Spangler and Nietzsche and Ficta and Hegel 270 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,319 and everybody else was talking about for the last literally 271 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,160 thousand years. 272 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: Well, let me let me ask this it. It seems 273 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,200 like Yakill in his chapter on race and Nations, he 274 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,920 definitely makes a I think one of the one of 275 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,920 the problems a lot of people have what Yaki too, 276 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:56,640 is is that once you get to a world where 277 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,960 you know, religion doesn't matter anymore, people don't don't have 278 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:07,119 a confessional heritage anymore. There you know, Oh, I'm going 279 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,920 back to my pagan roots kind of thing. Yaqui speaks 280 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,160 in very metaphysical terms, especially when it comes to when 281 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,359 it comes to race, because it seems like he's like, sure, 282 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,160 there are you know, the spirit is tied to the soil. 283 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:27,160 But it also seems like he doesn't put any kind 284 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,839 of importance in any race other than one that possesses 285 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:31,599 a high culture. 286 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't talk about Ill, I mean, how 287 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,880 Spangler's all point too, And like Spangler despite I mean, 288 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,640 one of the ways I can tell people don't actually 289 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,359 read this stuff because like both people in the right 290 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,519 end and the left, like the critiques of Spangler don't 291 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,440 make any sense. You know, if Spangler said that messo 292 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,359 America had a high culture, you know, like the Aztec Empire, 293 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,240 they reached genuine civilization, which goes without saying, but this 294 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,359 idea that Spangler like disdained like non white people, I mean, 295 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,680 that's that's not the way people thought about stuff like Yeah, 296 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:07,960 obviously like Spangler was concerned with his own kind. I 297 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,640 mean it's while point, but you you can tell you 298 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,200 can't talk about you can't talk about a raise in 299 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,960 historical terms, and we're talking about someone like forgotten tribe 300 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,920 of like fifty people that spoke a language nobody else 301 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,759 did that never got beyond like the Stone Age, that 302 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,599 was like a ceremoniously overrun by like the Zulu Empire, 303 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,200 say in like eighteen oh five. I mean it's probably 304 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,519 like a million instances like that, Okay, But in an 305 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:42,559 anthropological sense, yeah, like such hypothetical people have a culture, 306 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,559 but not in the sense like we're talking about here, 307 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,240 and they don't like engage with the historical process in 308 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,720 a meaningful way, you know. So that's that's where some 309 00:20:52,759 --> 00:21:01,039 of the confusion arises. But it's also you know, I'm 310 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:03,799 always making the point that that Chopenhauer is a lot 311 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,240 more important to the European right than Nietzsche was, and 312 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,960 Yaki is constantly falling back and Chopinhower tropes. And I'm 313 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,400 not saying that pejoratively. I agree like Chopenhower' is a 314 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,680 is a philosopple giant, and he's far more important than Nietzsche. 315 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:24,559 But this idea that like the only thing that really 316 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:29,839 redeems man is is like high culture. Like that that's 317 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,359 a Chopenhower idea, And it's not like a will to 318 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:38,200 power idea, like although there's some common conceptual ground there, 319 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,880 but that's what he's getting at. Basically. It's not just 320 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,599 that if we're talking about historical process, you know, people's 321 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,559 without and races without high culture, they're not engaged with 322 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,599 that process. But also like if we're talking about kind 323 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,960 of like the raison tetra of what it quits, like 324 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:58,079 human life, like you're that that's what it is, okay, 325 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,759 It's the ability to it's the ability to rise above 326 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,519 like man's like defal aspects and partake of you know, 327 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:14,440 his truly God given aspects of not not just higher reason, 328 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,119 but you know, the ability to perceive like higher forms 329 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,359 and like the platonic sense. 330 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: Well, on that note, something Yaki says repeatedly, and this 331 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,559 is in Spangler well as well. Is he says that 332 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,119 like races and peoples are stratified, and they both refer 333 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,000 to a culture bearing stratum. And they talk about in 334 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,319 Spangler the peasant class, and he says that the peasant 335 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:40,759 class is like the founding stock, but they're not the 336 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,680 culture bearing stratum. And this is basically Yaki seems to 337 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,279 agree with this and take this up. So I don't 338 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:51,559 know if we want to get into that, but briefly, 339 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,519 the way they talk about it is like you have 340 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,359 the peasants who are close to the land, who are agrarian, 341 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,119 and then you have the culture bearing stratum who comes 342 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,200 in who are the noble. And in the case of Europe, 343 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,559 it's like the same group of people that are in 344 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:18,079 Russia as well, the Norsemen, right, the Goths, the Varangians, 345 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:24,039 the Swedes, the Norwegians, they sort of went out across 346 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,640 Europe and they populated, they seated their genetics all through 347 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,960 Europe and they became the culture bearing stratum. I think 348 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,119 that the most common example of this is Normandy, France 349 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,400 and southern England, where the nobility spoke French, but the 350 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:46,359 peasants on the lower rungs spoke English or Middle English, 351 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:50,759 and I want to get to Russia, but we'll wait 352 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,599 for a second here. I don't know if Thomas wants 353 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,039 to say anything about this what the culture bearing stratum is, 354 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,319 and that these are the people who have culture, who 355 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720 create culture and perpetuate culture. 356 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: The standard bearers of it, you know, like the peasant 357 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,720 class who's like the blood and soil peasant cast. They 358 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,680 absolutely have culture, but you know, they're the subjects of it, 359 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,799 and like like quite literally they're like the mentioned material 360 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,319 like of the cultural organism, but they're not like the 361 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,680 standard bearers of it. Like if you'll allow an imperfect metaphor, 362 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,920 like like imagine like an imagine like a neoclassical skyscraper. Okay, 363 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,640 Like the peasant cast is literally like the concrete foundation 364 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,400 of it, like the the artifices and like the beautiful 365 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,599 sculpture and work and whatever, and and the edifices like 366 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,720 of like all around to the spires. All right, that's 367 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,640 the culture bearing stratum. You know, Like if you're gonna 368 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720 talk about like you're gonna talk about like what it 369 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:54,039 means to be, you know, if you're gonna talk about 370 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,680 what it means to be like English in like historical 371 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:00,839 terms or what it means to be uh you know, 372 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,640 like Prussian. Like the standard bearers of that tendency are 373 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,279 are the nobility, Okay, that the people have like a 374 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,480 deep historical understanding of these things, that the people who 375 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,079 like embody those characteristics, that the people who literally like 376 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:22,279 rule over the lower orders and in a conscious as 377 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,160 well as instinctive way, you know that that that's what 378 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,759 the difference is the way to think about him is 379 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:30,599 the standard bearer. And that's why well that's also to 380 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:35,440 why traditional capital ti traitional societies are attached to nobility 381 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,799 because and royalty specifically, like that's like where the king 382 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,160 of the queen or like the emperor's like rule is. 383 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,160 First of all, like the origin of of of of 384 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200 royalty is mysterious. I mean, in the case of Japan, 385 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,359 it goes back literally thousands of years in a linear capacity. Okay, 386 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,240 but it's like, okay, these people also they're they're they're 387 00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,160 they're literally like the living standard bearer of the nation. 388 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:04,480 Like that that's the difference, you know. And it's and 389 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,319 again if we accept that, like the culture is a 390 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,079 constellation of of prime symbols. It was symbolic psychological nature 391 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:23,440 of aesthetical judgments and like inherited uh, inherited concepts which 392 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240 are pre ration which are pre rational in nature. 393 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:27,279 Speaker 4: You know. 394 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: Obviously for some reasons prosaic and some profound, the the 395 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,319 ruling cast is going to like embody those things like. 396 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720 That's one of the reasons why another problem in America 397 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,759 is people confuse the right wing with like like capitalism 398 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,720 or something like, Oh, that the political divide is capitalist 399 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:54,599 against socialists. That's not what it is. And the uh, 400 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,480 the rise of the business class that there was as 401 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:01,119 much enmity between them and the ears listocracy is between 402 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,440 the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, like the Enlightenment was basically 403 00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,799 class warfare of like the business class against the aristocracy. 404 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,079 They're not the same thing, not only not the same thing. 405 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,319 In some ways they're opposites and their enemies, you know, 406 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,240 like that's and one of the things one of these 407 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,079 people like although I mean people at Cromwell, like Napoleon, 408 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,279 like Hitler. Hitler very constantly was trying to do this, 409 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,759 the former this is what they were doing, although to 410 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,839 varying degrees of kinds awareness, like reconciling that hostility to 411 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,119 reintegrate the cultural organism is like a prime mission of 412 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,079 these kinds of heroic figures. In the Carlisle sense, we 413 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,279 seem to be able to reconcile like dialectical antitheses and 414 00:27:53,359 --> 00:28:01,680 do like coherent revolutionary imperatives. Okay, good, Can I jump in? Yeah? 415 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Please? 416 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: Okay. So when you're looking at the culture bearing element, 417 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:12,079 one of the one of the things that Yaqui mentions 418 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,960 a characteristic is self sacrifice. And when I'm reading that, 419 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,920 I'm reading that as it sounds to me like a partisan, 420 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,000 like how the nobility would go out and they would 421 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,720 they would lead the charge in a war. They didn't 422 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,200 sit back, they didn't send their they didn't send the 423 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240 sons and daughters of the peasants off to fight the wars. 424 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,920 They they were actually out there with the men. Is 425 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,400 that part of it is? Is is a culture bearing element 426 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,559 of a high culture? Are they going to be a 427 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,920 partisan for that culture where it's it's delivered to die 428 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,720 to protect it? 429 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's your job. Like partisanship's problematic because 430 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,519 that's very much to me. I mean it and the 431 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,160 one it's perennial i mean it goes in the Bible, 432 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,559 I mean like zelots for partisans. But and if you're 433 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,240 like the nobilities, the trade off is, if you're a nobleman, 434 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:13,039 you have benefits and privileges normal people don't. And uh, 435 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,759 it's kind of actiomatically you're gonna be wealthy. But like 436 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,519 the trade off of that is that when the nation 437 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,200 goes to war like that, you're you're probably gonna die, 438 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,799 you know. And that also means that you're held to 439 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,279 a higher standard. You know, you're like George Bagbie and 440 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,759 I were talking about this the other day, Like, you know, 441 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,079 you're you're permitted to bear arms, and you're permitted, for example, 442 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,599 you know, to demand satisfaction and for insults to your honor. 443 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,880 But it's considered completely abhorrent and unacceptable for you to say, 444 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,680 challenge like a peasant to a fight, because it's not fair, 445 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,960 you know, and you're a say, for example, if you're 446 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,759 like a peasant who gets caught up, like you know, 447 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,960 being drunk in public and acting like an idiot, that's 448 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,319 not a big deal. For no, that's a very big deal, 449 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,119 you know. So it's yeah, it's you're you're not wrong, 450 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,559 but it uh it's intrinsic to uh noble you know, 451 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,960 not not only are not only are these guys literal 452 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,960 like fathers kind of the nation. And it's their job 453 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:28,559 to to be benevolent towards their charges and you know, 454 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,240 to be equitable and in their administration of justice. You know. 455 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,559 That's uh, that's why I like in the American tradition, 456 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,519 like King David is invoked a lot, you know, as 457 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720 like a man of like sound judgment in dealing with 458 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,839 you know, his charges. But you also when the nation 459 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,799 goes to war, like you've got you've got an obligation 460 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,640 to put yourself in jeopardy, like one of the one 461 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,480 of the what as an aside, one of the some duke, 462 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:05,799 some one of the one of the lesser princes. It 463 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440 was Kia in the Falklands War. And then after that, 464 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,519 like the British got all weird about, oh, we can't 465 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,160 send the royals to wars, Like the fuck are you 466 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,119 talking about? That's their only job, you know, and like 467 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,319 that there's something really perverse about that. But I mean 468 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,279 that's kind of an aside. But yeah, no, that's a 469 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,519 good point you raised, man, obviously. 470 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,759 Speaker 1: All right, So to talk about the low culture and 471 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,680 the high culture. Something Spangler says is that like the 472 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,160 peasant stock that I was referring to earlier, that's the 473 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,839 lowercase se culture. And a point that him and Yaki 474 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240 make is that they're there like forever. The people who 475 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,359 were tilling the land in Europe in you know, two thousand, 476 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,279 let's say two thousand years ago, are the same people 477 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,640 who were tilling the soil a thousand years ago, and 478 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200 they're the same people who are going to be tilling 479 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,519 the soil in a thousand years. So when culture, when 480 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720 Spengler and Yaki are talking about culture, they're talking about 481 00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,279 uppercase C culture, and there's only been a few of 482 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,720 those in history, and they have them worked out the 483 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,039 quote I read from Yaki. He goes on to talk 484 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,519 about all the different cultures that Spangler identified. The Mejian culture, 485 00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:18,200 the classical culture Apollonian so Western culture is Faustian culture, 486 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,240 and Spangler says it was born around the year one thousand, 487 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,400 so there was a break when classical Apollonian culture died 488 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,720 or declined and went away. And then the Byzantines that 489 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:33,839 we know about that some people say is the continuation 490 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160 of Rome. According to Spangler that was the Mejian culture, 491 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,000 and then the Faustian culture started in the year one thousand, 492 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,200 right around the time of you know, ten sixty six 493 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,720 and all that to Bayou Tapestry. So what was happening 494 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,279 between the fall of Rome and the year one thousand 495 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,000 when the Faustian culture was born? According to them, that's 496 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,279 lower case C culture, and the Faustian culture was the 497 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,359 upper case C culture. So that brings up a question, 498 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,000 what are we now here in America? Are we the 499 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,839 continuation of the FASTI. 500 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: And America was in many respects founded in opposition to Europe, 501 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,400 you know. And I Hitler himself made the point that 502 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,559 like the American South was like the high culture of America, 503 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,119 and that's true, but even that it was a discrete 504 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,680 kind of thing. It was different than it was different 505 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,160 than the continental tradition. And I made the point too. 506 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,200 I take exception, there's a book called Albion Seed and 507 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,720 there's some there's there's some insightful analyses in there, but 508 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,400 there's also some bullshit, and uh, there's this there's this paradigm. 509 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,200 A lot of a lot of historians and cultural anthropologist 510 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,279 types assigned to the Americas where it's like, oh, you 511 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,480 know the North then, especially the northeast. You know, they 512 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,400 were they were the heirs to Cromwell in the South 513 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,880 with a bunch of royalist cavaliers. That's not true, and 514 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,559 the kind of backbone of the South was reformed the 515 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,119 center elements, you know, like like like Stonewall. Okay, Like 516 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,039 that's that goes though saying, but I make the point 517 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:33,280 a lot if you read read, especially read John Jay 518 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,880 and Hamilton and the Federalist papers, they're constantly coming back 519 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,119 to this point that America is like the Anglo Saxon 520 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:47,039 heritage and where we're reasserting the rights of like free 521 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,519 men in the Yalomen re against this kind of Latin tyranny. 522 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,440 And that's the way Americans thought of themselves. You know, 523 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,360 That's why Americans identified as angle Saxons. They didn't identify 524 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,360 as a bunch as much a Norman royals, you know, 525 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,760 they didn't. They didn't identify as a bunch of Frenchmen 526 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:10,320 like they they despite like Jeffersonian, I mean je Jefferson 527 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:16,039 was was completely incoherent and in his kind of ideological fetishes. 528 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,880 So I get sick of people invoking, like, oh, America 529 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,800 is a Francophone culture. Politically, it's like that's retarded, but 530 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,320 the it's not. It's it's not just some kind of 531 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,000 romantic mythos or some meaningless turn of phrase. When the 532 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,679 Federalists in particularly like talk about how we're like this 533 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Anglo Saxon country that that's got certain implications, okay. 534 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:43,639 Speaker 4: But. 535 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,119 Speaker 2: You know, the like like the West is. I mean, 536 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,440 this is something of a different question, but it relates 537 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:56,079 directly Jacky's enterprise as a partisan as a writer, because 538 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,519 you know, he was he was fighting the Cold War. 539 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,880 America is not. America is not like the heir to Europe. 540 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:12,079 It's not fausty and civilization like not even close. It's 541 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,840 it's hostile to it, like the West went down at Stalingrad. 542 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,280 And even with that not the case, there's only one 543 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:27,320 form of government today, and there's that the prime primary 544 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:34,119 imperative of that government planetarium scope and scale, is to 545 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,440 eradicate discrete cultural forms and impose thiss like ideological monoculture 546 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,119 on the planet. So when people talk about like we're 547 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,599 in the West and there's these sovereign states that are 548 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:50,239 like jockeying for power, that's that's completely odds of reality, 549 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:56,079 the world hasn't been like that since nineteen eighteen, you know, 550 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,199 so this is important. But so there is there is 551 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:09,840 like a high cultural European derived strain because Anglophone peoples 552 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,280 are European. But even long before the twentieth century, and 553 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:23,519 long before the kind of controversies and politics of of 554 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:27,119 the of the world Wars and things like Great Britain 555 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,519 and the several cultures that constituted was discreet and insular 556 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:35,719 from the continent in basic ways that carries over into America. 557 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,440 I mean that's when people ask me about cultural stuff. 558 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,519 I mean, first and foremost, if you're somebody like me 559 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,320 in my background, your confessional heritage is paramount. I mean, 560 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,800 I'm like a Reform Protestant, but also I'm Anglophone. I'm 561 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,639 not I'm not a European, you know, like I I 562 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,920 don't mean know like pejoratively or something, but like people 563 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,199 if you're at the center of an Anglophone heritage, and 564 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,039 that includes people like hugano Us, that includes people like 565 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,360 you know, German Protestants, not not of the Lutheran tradition, 566 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,239 but of the Reform tradition. And there's more than you 567 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,360 might think. I include that in the same kind of 568 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,320 cultural prestige. And that's why in places like South Africa, 569 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,119 that's why in places like Ulster, that's why in places 570 00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,039 like Australia and New Zealand you find this kind of 571 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:29,119 common constellation of those different ethnicity is kind of ossifying 572 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:34,880 into this like anglophone hole. But it's different. It's different 573 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,800 than than continental cultural tendencies, you know, And that's one 574 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,320 of the reasons mostly it was such an interesting figure everyone. 575 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960 I'm jumping around a bit because mostly kind of reconciled 576 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,679 that divide in a way that that was meaningful in 577 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,159 organic terms. But that's basically the way to understand it. 578 00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,920 And that's also why it's that that's also why it's misguided. 579 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,159 People talk about like the West. I mean, I realize 580 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,599 like like regime conservatives, like when they see the West, 581 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,159 they're talking about like fast food and certain ways of 582 00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,719 doing business and like like governments they approve of. It's 583 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480 like literally like meaningless. But I'm not talking about that. 584 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,239 But even people who are obviously more intelligent and you 585 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,000 know who's who are who's are, they're in the correct 586 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:31,519 place in terms of their ethics and in the concepts 587 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,079 that in form those ethics. They don't really understand that like, 588 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:39,199 there's not you know that there's not like we don't 589 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,760 live in like a truly multipolar world. We don't live 590 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,480 in a world of like nation states that are truly 591 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,559 discreete and sovereign. We don't live in a world where like, Oh, 592 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,920 America because it has like a bunch of white people, 593 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,559 is like is the error to the fausty and civilization 594 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,719 And that's not what's happening at all. And that that's 595 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960 the reason why World War two is so critical because 596 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:05,280 that created the modern world in political and sociological and 597 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,039 historical terms. 598 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: Okay, good, this is extremely important to understanding Yaki and 599 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,039 his concept of imperium. Go ahead, Peter, I'll save this. 600 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 3: Is one of the reasons why Yaqui would say that 601 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,199 the the Jews don't have a race is because they 602 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,880 all they're appearing to do throughout the last two thousand 603 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,440 years of history is to either preserve a bloodline or 604 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:43,679 preserve a a way of living. It doesn't it seems 605 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,840 like he would say that there's no high there's there's 606 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,239 not even a hint of a high culture there because 607 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,360 everything seems to be on the it aimed at the material. 608 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's also it's not something people don't understan. Yeah, 609 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880 that's true. What's something people What I'm saying either, is 610 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,440 that when you're talking about like the Jewish people of 611 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,119 like twenty twenty five, like you're not you're you're not 612 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,599 talking about the descendants of King David. Like you're not 613 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,960 talking I don't mean that in some corny Christian identity way. 614 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,159 The temple was destroyed in seventy a d Like Judaism 615 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:22,000 was done, Like there is no Judaism without a sacrificing priesthood, 616 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,440 without a temple, you know, without a kingdom. So Judaism 617 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,920 was done. Then in one hundred and thirty five, Aed 618 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,199 basically a bunch of Jewish lawyers, like literally like a 619 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,920 bunch of Jewish jurists and uh, like rabbinic students and 620 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,559 guys who spend all their time like studying the Talmud. 621 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,280 They approach the Romans and they're like, yeah, we want 622 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,639 to sit up, we want to set up like a 623 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400 rabbinic school, and the Romans will like, do whatever you want. 624 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:58,400 So this like Robinic tendency developed around around Talmudic Judaism, 625 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,280 and it's about it's about tricking people and like hostility 626 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:11,559 to the other and this kind of ethical discourse on 627 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,199 you know, on vengeance and things. It's not like what 628 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,800 we think of as like a religion, and it's not 629 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,480 premise that it's like a political grievance structure, you know. 630 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,159 And yeah, that's why I'm always making the point and 631 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,480 people chalk this up to people chalk this up to, 632 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,000 you know, my own prejudices or whatever. Like goo at Israel, 633 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,159 it's this weird pastiche of like twentieth century like racialism, 634 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,920 like military socialism, like bizarre kind of totally outmoded like secular, 635 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,280 atheist identitarian stuff. And it's like why do they speak Hebrew? 636 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,280 That makes no sense, you know, Like like why why 637 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,280 wouldn't they speak Aramaic if the whole thing is we're 638 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,159 gonna pretend to be you know, the Kingdom of judae U, 639 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,000 you know of as Saul and David and Solomon. Like 640 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,960 whole thing's like really fake, you know. So yeah, he's 641 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,280 right and this idea and you see that too, like 642 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,679 with these the ultra orthodox that people are called that 643 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,039 I mean, obviously they've got a more sophisticated than an 644 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:23,039 incredible view like of their own heritage, I mean, regardless 645 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,199 of what anyway thinks about them. But people like Mitt 646 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,000 Yaho and he's like idiots, uh who casts it to 647 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:30,599 kind of the front bench of leak, which just like 648 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:32,920 look the way they talk. It's like sometimes they're pretending 649 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,039 to be just what I said, you know, like the 650 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,440 standard bearers of like Old Testament Judaism and Masada. Like 651 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,719 sometimes they're pretending the to be this this like superior race, 652 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,360 like like they don't it doesn't Sometimes they're like pretending 653 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,039 to be uh true blue Americans. Like it doesn't make 654 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,559 any sense, and and and and that I don't just 655 00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:59,119 mean it doesn't make any sense in that it's it's 656 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,719 cynical and and tailored the discrete audiences. And in terms 657 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,440 of it's propaganda, I mean it's that too, but in 658 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,480 like anthological ways, it doesn't make sense, you know, because 659 00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,679 there's nothing there. You know, like it's it's fake. You know, 660 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,920 it's this idea of they're being like this deep kind 661 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:25,920 of heritage. Uh to to to Rabbinic Judaism is nonsense. 662 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,119 But it's also again like there is there is no 663 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,639 Judaism without a temple. I mean like read the Old Testament, 664 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,880 I realized, like, I'm not saying everybody should bide my 665 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:39,760 traditions confessionally, but okay, when you read the Old Testament 666 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,719 and they're talking about the temple, and they're talking about 667 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,920 the sagecies and the Pharisees, and they're talking about the 668 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,119 essential aspect of sacrifice, essential aspects of literal sacrifice, that 669 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,000 sound like Judaism today, Like no, it doesn't you ever 670 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,440 met a Jewish priest? No you haven't. You know why 671 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,239 they don't exist because there is no more Judaism. 672 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's it seems like if you're going to 673 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,199 use the definitions that Yaqui uses for race and for 674 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:11,000 high culture, there's just nothing there. No so all so 675 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,159 all you're experiencing and all anyone was experiencing at the 676 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,960 time that Yaqui Wash was alive, was basically this group 677 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,559 of people who their whole, if you want to call 678 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:28,679 it a heritage, is tricking people and basically looking to 679 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,679 get over on everyone. And that's basically what's controlling Europe 680 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,599 now and the United States. And the only the only 681 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,920 pushback you're getting that he even sees starts to see 682 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:44,400 is in the fifties with the USSR. 683 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Yaki had a complicated view of the Russians, 684 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,760 which I basically agree with, you know. But but yeah, 685 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:04,079 the in Russia, Russia and the Jews, the people are 686 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,559 are magically at odds, you know, I mean that and 687 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,639 people That's another thing Americans can't seem to understand. I mean, 688 00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,519 that's a whole other issue. But yeah, I I basically 689 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,320 agree with that, and that's why. But that's also too why. 690 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,400 I mean, a lot of people must understand Nietzche's writing 691 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,760 on Jews, and a lot of that stuff is also 692 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,320 kind of deliberately deemphasized because uh, academ American academ is 693 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,480 totally midwid but it's also obviously like like very left 694 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,280 wing in nature. So they it's it's a combination like 695 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:44,760 misunderstanding the the nuances of a Nietzschena storiography, but it's 696 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,320 also a basic discomfort with this account of the Jewish people. 697 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,599 But Nietzs's all claim was that, well, like we're beinting, 698 00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:54,280 Judaism is gonna cease to exist because there's no foundation. 699 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,920 So he's like, essentially these people are gonna become European, 700 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,159 you know, or or there or their culture just gonna 701 00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,880 die out of inability to perpetuate itself, like if we 702 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,039 can call it a culture, I mean for the reasons 703 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,679 like we've been discussing, you know, because like howging something 704 00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,840 like that endure. You know, of course, like Nietzsche was 705 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:23,079 writing during the nineteenth century and uh that it would 706 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:26,280 have been impossible to predict the outcomes of these kinds 707 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,760 of Titanic struggles of the century subsequent. But yeah, I'm 708 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,360 gonna raise up in a minute, Frank, because I don't 709 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,679 feel great. I'm sorry to like the abrupt, but it's 710 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,239 kind of like a rough day in terms of the things. 711 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,440 I'm not trying to be a bore pitches about its health, 712 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,559 but it's ah, that's where I'm at. But we can 713 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,760 reconvene later this weekend or next week if you want 714 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,960 to continue this discussion. 715 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: I do. As we're talking, it's hitting me that it 716 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,400 was completely naive of me to think we could talk 717 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,800 about Yaki in one episode. It's it's way too expansive. 718 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,920 So if you guys stop for it, not to put 719 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,559 you on the spot. 720 00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's we whatever, you guy, This is what 721 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,639 I do with my time. I mean, like I we 722 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,480 can reconvene and talk about this anytime you want. Just 723 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,199 let me know when you want to do it. You know, 724 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,840 like I said, you can probably next week would be 725 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,000 better for this weekend is a lot of it. I 726 00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,639 got a lot of commitments, like like the content words, 727 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:28,400 but yeah, just let. 728 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,639 Speaker 5: Me hope you. 729 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,679 Speaker 4: Will say I listening about the say anything I saw, 730 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,480 anything I say or anything they say. I think I 731 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:17,880 said everything about something. Listen anything say something about some 732 00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:25,199 of the things I know were the sensation like the 733 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:31,639 sing sing away saying about the s A S I 734 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:40,840 T I S S sings I sing s not sure 735 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,320 I show or anything that I saw. I p I 736 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:53,400 S T S S S stay out as a time 737 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,559 sing I say. 738 00:49:55,559 --> 00:50:04,519 Speaker 5: Out sing something like that snything s S S S 739 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:15,199 S S S S S. 740 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 4: S S. 741 00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:17,199 Speaker 5: S say s something s S S S S S 742 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,360 S T I say times. 743 00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 2: The thing. 744 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:33,760 Speaker 5: I'll show anything a thing sure athation no thing, I'll 745 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,960 say things. 746 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:45,519 Speaker 4: Everything said I show I sthside some of the something 747 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,599 else I say about the pay. 748 00:51:51,159 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 5: Show at S S S about the shout been did 749 00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:07,239 to them and