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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, beautiful day, beautiful. I mean, you couldn't ask

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for probably a better day to end the year on.

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I mean, this is absolutely beautiful right now. If you're

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paying attention to weather prognostications at all, you would kind

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of be aware that there's something brewing out there that

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all models are kind of When I say models, I

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mean all of the European and the American and a

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couple other folks that are out there are showing that

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it's going to be. It could be has the potential

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likely to be a very cold January, like since nineteen

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eighty five kind of cold. It's gonna blast down, and

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even that the coast and down in Florida could be cold,

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could be icy, weather could be snowy weather. Now I'm

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trying to get my good friend Joe BOSTARTI to come

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on the air today. I don't don't know if he'll

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be able to. I send him a couple of articles

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we were communicating back and forth this morning. I'm going

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to convey to you one of those articles, Michael Man.

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And by the way, if you want to get in

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on the conversation, you're welcome to do so. Seven oh

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four five, seven oh eleven ten here at news Talk

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eleven ten, nine nine three chat Adam sitting in for

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Pete Callander and I hope Pete's enjoy I hope he's

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having a blast. He works tediously throughout the year and

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and just a great asset for WBT. Now when when

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Michael so, Michael Mann is known for the hockey stick

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graph and and he's he's he's one of the chief bishops,

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or I guess he would call him a cardinal. If

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you're looking at the climate change cult as kind of

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a an organized religion, which it really is, it's very atheist.

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It's very much you know, claims to be driven by something.

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They have their version of the truth. It's the only truth.

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No other version of the truth is really allowed in

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their church. So I think Michael Mann would be a

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cardinal at the cardinal level. He's not quite the pope

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of the movement. I don't know if al Gore or

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Michael Mann someone Greta Thunberg certainly is would be leading

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up a sisterhood. If you were to make analogies to

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the Catholic Church, you know, Greta Thunberg would be holding

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up an order of nuns. But that kind of a

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monkish group. And then you've got you know, the cardinals

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and bishops and the priests and all that stuff on down.

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It's a very interesting structure to this, and I guess

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the scientists would be the monastic ones in a way,

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or people that claim to be scientists. Michael Mann has

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a peace out there and I'm trying to get job,

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but started to call in he is an actual scientist,

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along with Richard Ledson formerly Pat Michael's mister Spencer Roy

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Spencer Down University of Alabama. There's a lot of these

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people that have tried to push back to say it's

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not that you need to say climate change doesn't exist.

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What the argument should be is it's not the end

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of animals or humanity, and that there's never been a

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geologic period of time that's just stable. There's not a

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global thermostat here. There never has been. I mean, there's

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been times that's been far warmer than this. There's times

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have been a lot more co two in the atmosphere

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than this. There's been times there's been less than this.

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We've had ice ages. We're not even really sure what

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causes ice ages. By the way, that would be alarming

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to me because imagine if whatever whatever switch that is occurs.

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I don't know what it is, scientists aren't sure what

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it is, but if it happened, because when it does happen,

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it's bad. It's bad for all involved. It's bad for

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the it's bad for animals, it's bad for the planet's

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bad for the oceans. But we have several periods of

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time that we've had these ice ages, many ice ages.

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titles to a lot of articles in the political realm

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because you can tell what they are and by just

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reading the titles, and I do expect and Joe Bisarreadi

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confirmed that when I send him this note that this

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year you will see more hyper breathing labored thought. On

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the climate front. The crazies will come out in full force,

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even if it's a colder year, and a lot of

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people are saying we're likely to have a colder year,

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because twenty five or twenty four is a warmer year.

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telling what's going to happen, and I'm not predicting it.

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then seeing how they've never been right. And that's one

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of the problems with the sky's falling mentality, is that

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when you overplay that hand enough times, you lose the

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narrative and rather than laying people so right now, there's

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a lot of science science people that want to claim

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they adhere to science, that say, hey, ched, if you

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disagree with us, we think we should have the right

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to put you in jail. That's not a conspiracy. That's

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been said by many of the folks. In the European

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side of things. There are folks that have suggested such

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things to the un that the time for disagreement is over,

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the time to act as now the planet is in

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periled and anyone who disagrees with us needs to go

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to jail. And in fact, at the end of Michael

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Mann's piece that I'm getting ready to read, he talks

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about that, he talks about that we can no longer

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tolerate people who disagree with us. For the most part,

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you know, we're researchers and academicians, that's what we are.

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This is far more than an arcane discussion for our

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faculty and students. Anti science. Remember, anti science is anyone

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who disagrees with Anthony Fauci. Anti science is anyone that

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disagrees with Michael Mann. Anti science is anyone who disagrees

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with a given narrative that is peddled by this group.

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If you disagree with them, then you'll or the anti science.

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It's kind of like the Witchcraft persecutions. You know, the

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town elders come, I say you're a witch, but I'm

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not a witch. But yeah, we say you are. And

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if you disagree with us, you're a witch. And that's

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the kind of mentality we find with this intolerant group

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of scientists that don't want to discuss things. And so

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what he writes is anti science is now a lethal

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force that threatens human civilization. We can no longer fight

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climate change in pandemics unless we can find a means

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to diffuse the anti science bomb that threatens our future.

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So they've equated. Michael Man has done this for years.

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He just gets bolder every year. Is he's now saying

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you if you disagree with them, you're basically a terrorist.

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You are akin to someone carrying around a bomb, and

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you threaten the planet. And they never look in. He says,

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you know, so far we're losing this battle while time remains.

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The window of opportunities beginning to close. Now. They said

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it was beginning to close in the eighties, they said

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it was closing in the nineties, that it would absolutely

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be closed by the two thousands. But then we only

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had five years left, and then we had another five,

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and then we had ten, but we lost that. So

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now it's gone. It's over. It's been over five or

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six times. In the seventies with the population bomb, Paul

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Earlik earth Day. Earth Day was created because the end

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was near. Now they never take stock of great victories

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never say, you know what, we're doing, this is wonderful.

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It's not as bad as we thought it was. If

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I was trying to sell you on something and I

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had told you information that was wrong for forty or

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fifty years, one of the things that I think would

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help shore up my your belief in me would be

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for me to come to you and say, you know what,

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this is fantastic news that it hasn't gone as far.

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There's still things to be concerned about, but it hasn't

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happened as fast, it hasn't been as bad. And there's

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actually some success stories out there. You know, when you

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find a species that's doing well, recovering, expanding, those are

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success stories. Be proud of those. We've paid attention to

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a lot more species that we've been worried about and

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it's working. Take stock in that. Be pleased with that,

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move forward with that. But they don't. It's that you

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anti science people. Y'all are criminals. Y'all are carrying around

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bombs that are against society. And I'll read through his

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column because he dropped a column today here. It is

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the last day of the year. Yes. In fact, he

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claimed they're publishing it as January February. But in it,

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what they're saying is it's not just a threat, we

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now have triple threat. There's a triple threat to humanity.

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And I'm going to go through why that is absurd

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in just a second.

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Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's,

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and before he died, my mom and my dad and

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all of us really helped take care of him as

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he got progressively worse. Forty years ago, there were no

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treatments and not much support for caregivers and family. Things

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are different today because of the work of so many people,

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including the Alzheimer's Association of Western North Carolina. It's a

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great organization with awesome people. They've got huge hearts. I've

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been a supporter for like twenty five years. This cause

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means a lot to me. I participate in the annual

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Walk to End Alzheimer's and I am leading a Charlotte

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team this year. It's called Pete's Pack. You can sign

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up and join the team and walk with me. It's

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on October nineteenth at Truest Field in Uptown. Sign up

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at alz dot org. Slash Walk and then just look

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for my team Pete's pack and there's also a link

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in the podcast description here. Also, I'm going to be

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mceing the Gastonia Walk on October fifth, So make a

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team and join us or make a donation to help

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me hit my goal. I would really appreciate it. There

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the dates and locations. We are closer than ever to

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stopping Alzheimer's and if you can help us get there,

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we would really appreciate it. Will you come walk with me?

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For a different future, for families, for more time for treatments.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Appreciate the staff, you guys, everybody. I've had

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a great year and looking forward to another one. And

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until they plant me in the ground, I hope it

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continues to be that way. Now, my friend jobs already

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because he had seen he had seen the same article,

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well because I sent him to him and he made

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a comment about it, and so I said, hey, you

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need to be on the show. He's like Okay, be

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glad to do so. So not only will he talk

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about probably not as much about that, but he's been

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tracking these storm systems. He's the co founder of WeatherBell Analytics.

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He does it for company. This is kind of interesting

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because it's one thing to be out there and give

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the local forecast, so you do it for your local

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station and everything. It's another when the entirety of your

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corporate survival depends on the accuracy of your long range forecast.

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And Joe's been doing this. He's a great weather historian.

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He's someone who is looked. What he does is he

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goes back in history and looks at similar systems and

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how things were lined up and how they will act.

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What will this polar vortex be like, how does a

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hurricane act, where does it move? How is it similar

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he's just an interesting, a very different kind of fellow.

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The article I was referring to is called a Triple

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Threat to Humanity, climate change, pandemics, and anti science by

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Michael Mann and Peter Hotez, and he writes over the

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past decade and I've got multiple comments on this, but

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I want to try to convey what they're trying to

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convey to you. Over the past decade, many of us

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in the scientific community have come to appreciate the existential

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threat big words existential threat we face today, a threat

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unlike any we'veked witnessed since the days of the US

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and Soviet Cold War at the latter part of the

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twentieth century. While even today the specter of nuclear annihilation remains,

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especially given the escalation with Ukraine, Russia and Israel Iran,

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we now face entirely new twenty first century forces that

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place the future of humankind in even worse peril. Our

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newest and gravest channel may not feel as acute as

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the nineteen eighties Cold War threat of mutual assured destruction.

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but it's every bit is real. The next gen Mad

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consists of three synergistic components. The first is the unprecedented

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warming of our planet. By the way, his hockey stick

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graph is if you look at it over history, is

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just wrong. He's using the same graph, by the way,

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if they generated twenty years ago. It's called the hockey stick,

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and it makes it look like the end is near.

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It's not. But he says the unprecedented warming of our

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planet that one of us, Michael Mann highlighted more than

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two decades ago while still a postdoctoral researcher for the

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hockey Stick curve, the warming of the planet its impacts,

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which include coastal inundation from melting ice and intensified more

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deadly hurricanes. They haven't been more deadly. The droughts are

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not worse. The heat, heat, wildfires, waves, everything, whatever it is,

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it's always bad, is taking a toll on our civilization.

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costs which could be measured in trillions, look no further

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than deadly temperatures that exceed one hundred and twenty two degrees.

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extreme heat, a tragic new record, by the way, more

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humans than ever have in the country, and by the

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way that takes into account the people who crossed the

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border who died of exposure. So as much as Michael

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a death of political consequence. It's a death caused by

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bad policies that led to women, children, and men dying

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in deserts in the desert southwest. So a lot of

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those deaths were on their hands. It wasn't the climate,

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it was bad policy. But anyway, this is the kind

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of stuff they do. We need to stop using fossil

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fuels for energy and transportation. The hockey stick description also

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applies to the new pattern of cadence of pandemic threats.

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Our second component. One of the most common ask questions is, hey, doc,

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major coronavirus global epidemics SARS, MERZ and COVID nineteen or

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a bow in West Africa. By the way, the ebola

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is not an epidemic that tends to be isolated, as

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it burns through populations. But it doesn't stop these guys

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from saying it was these viruses all originate from bats. Actually,

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we don't know where COVID nineteen came from. They're saying bats,

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the Hot Zone by Richard Preston, We've been looking for

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the origin of Ebola, but we're not sure. Even Marburg,

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we know that the viral hamorrhagic fevers in the desert

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southwester are caused by the hantavirus, which is caused by

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rat pieces, but he doesn't mention that his post. Part

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of this accelerating canes and pandemics may be shifts in

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bat habitats that bring them closer to humans, in concert

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with expanding human populations in formally forested areas due to urbanization. Again,

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these are similar. Expansions in urbanizations together with climate chains,

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also explain why we're seeing more mosquito transmitted virus infections

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such as denge. Actually, it's because we have a lot

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of stagnant water in and little puddles or on our

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houses that mosquitos grow in because they tend to stick

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close to where they're born. This is just unbelieved. This

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brings us to the third and perhaps most insidious component

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of all, a well organized finance, politically motivated, and steadily

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globalizing campaign of disinformation and attacks against mainstream science that

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makes it extremely difficult to mount an effective global response

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to climate threats. We witnessed an early instance, decades ago,

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as Michael Man described in his book The hockey Stick

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and Climate Wards with he and his colleagues came under

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attack by forces linked to oil and gas. By the way,

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the oil and gas industries, as much as michael Man

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can say they attacked him, are also the ones on

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the forefront of raking in subsidies from solar panels and windmills.

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These people, it's so you know, you read their stuff

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and it just gets more, it gets a stranger. Increasingly

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we recognize how the forces behind the attacks on climate

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science and biomedicine around vaccines and pandemics have begun to converge.

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Why have they begun to converge begun to converge because

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a lot of the COVID nineteen vaccine stuff did not

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work out well. It did not the unfortunate realities. Vaccines

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are amazing. They've been around for since the seventeen hundreds.

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some phenomenal ones. We still have some phenomenal ones. But

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the ones for COVID nineteen were not that effective and

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did have tons of side effects that we're just now

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learning about more that undermined, if anything, undermined the vaccine science.

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undermined all of the other science on vaccines. But these

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people never look in the mirror and accept responsibility for

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what they did. Michael Mann has pedaled the end is

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near for forty years. For forty years he said the

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end is near. It's not near. Tragically, this even includes

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personal attacks on members of Congress and presidential candidates, attacks

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from billionaires and conservatives like Fox News and the Wall

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Street Journal. Now it's interesting again, never looking in the mirror.

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advanced to tax on science and scientists and promoted anti

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science dist information. We call them the five p's, the plutocrats,

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the petro states, billionaires and state actors, the pros, the

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hired guns. They call them, the propagandist, industry, shills and

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opportunities posing as experts, and as we've already explained above,

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the media. Together they can pose a coordinated, powerful and

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formable anti science leviathan that threatens our future. Although we

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are for now, and remember when you read these things,

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what I would ask that you do is always, always, always,

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they always pose or pose it that they are the

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angelic forces of our savior. They will bring about saving

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the planet if only we listen to them. They are

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the ones. So you could tell you could take these

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five ps and you could be a conservative that wants

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scientific discussion about climate and you would like to have

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more truth, and you could say these same people are

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in opposition to that. I would say Michael Mann is

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in opposition because he's already said it's an existential threat

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and the world is over, we need to have a

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discussion about it. You can't tell him that he doesn't

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want to have a discussion about it. He wants you

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to be in jail and shut up because he's right,

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you're wrong. And if I were to say from our side,

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the same five piece the plutocrats, and I wouldn't call

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him Petro states, I would call him, I guess the

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windmill evangelist or solar evangelist, renewable evangelists. So you'd have

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the plutocrats and renewable evangelist, which are billionaires and state

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actors who fund stopping debates. You would have the pros,

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which are the hired guns that are out there to

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stop debates. You would have the propagandist who are in

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the media, and people like Michael Mann an opportunities posing

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as experts because many of these people that are scient

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the media, and I would say that most of the

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media CVS, NBC understand they are regularly say everything that.

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use that is in a time perfect. If activity has increased,

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we first and foremost researchers and academics, this is far

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more than ourcane discussion. Anti science is now a lethal

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force that threatens human civilization. We can no longer fight

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climate change in pandemics unless we can find a means

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to fuse an anti science bomb. I would say the

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irony here as I finished this the segment is that

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we are at a time in humanity when we were

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more equipped to deal with more things in a more

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direct way than ever before, while these people are saying

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the sky is falling and the earth is ending, and

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they are the ones that are creating the anxiety and

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damaging your kids each and every day by telling them

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the end is near and taking away their hope much

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more to go now they're having just fighting. Now we

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went to the break, it sounded like I was full

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of chagrin. And what it is is the war of

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ideas must continue. We whenever you get into a world

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where ideas are not tolerated, where descent is quashed, you

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for any of you that are sci fi fans, you know.

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You know, if you're on the Enterprise and they come

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to a planet where it's kind of monolithic thought, you

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know there's a problem. The whole storyline is going to

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be about, Hey, how do you overcome this monolithic thought?

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If you read Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit four fifty one, it's

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the suppression of free thought. You're burning all the books.

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If you get into Logan's run, you know, you can't

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push back against the rules. You got to get on

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the caresel when you're thirty four or thirty five and

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be spun up and killed and under the auspices that hey,

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someone might win. You know, if you Brave New World

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by Alvis Huxley, these dystopian nineteen eighty four, the film Brazil,

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all of these dystopian sci fi futuristic thoughts on humankind.

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Even the Silo, something that's currently I'm shocked that it's

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actually on Apple. The silo is this, Oh, you have

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to believe, you have to follow this dog. Now, there

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are aspersions to Christianity. There's this book of a foundation.

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You must believe the book. But the truth of the

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matter is in acting like it's something that's not. It

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actually proves the point I'm making, which is all of

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these dystopian futuristic even Gatika, one of my favorite of

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all time, they all portray don't question what we tell you.

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That's the central theme of a lot of dystopian futuristic

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novels or scientific works of art, sipha whatever. It's that

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you don't question so when. And one of the most

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unique things about humans is we do question that inquiry

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leads to breakthroughs. In Korey, a natural born curiosity. If

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for those of you who believe were made in our

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maker's image, we have a natural born curiosity. Sometimes we

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have a natural born skepticism. But skepticism and curiosity or

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tomato tomato, those go hand in hand. You have to

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be skeptical even your own belief You should be skeptical

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of your own beliefs sometimes, but you have to be

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naturally curious. I think the media fails when it isn't.

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We saw that with Joe Biden. I think they do.

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Media does best when it asked difficult questions, regardless of

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who's sitting in front of them, not just because they

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don't like one person. Ask this guy difficult questions. Don't

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ask this person any questions. We saw that with Kamala

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Harrison Donald Trump, he would do one hundred interviews. She

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wouldn't do them, and when she did, she was an epic.

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She was a crash test dummy flying into the wall

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without a seat belt. It was terrible. But that's what

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I would say that Michael Man and many of the

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sign the alleged scientists on the global warming right there,

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they have a confirmation bias. When they find something that

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affirms that confirmation bias, they run outside and scream it's

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the end of the world. And if you were to

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ask them, has the planet been warmer before, they would say, well, yes,

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but that's different as was there a proliferation of life

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when the planet was warmer? Yes, but that's different. Okay,

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so what eradicated a lot of species was the cold,

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wasn't it? Well that's different. It's always different because it

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doesn't fit their narrative. Now, one of the most I'll

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give you an example of where this all these because

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the solution that everyone on in that ILK wants, if

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you let's just say they're correct. Their solution to the

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problem is always socialism. Their solution to the problem is

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we need to control the means of production by controlling

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the production of energy, and energy is limited to renewables,

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which will not fund a society, will not keep us going.

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We need to limit trans limit your freedom. So you

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can't travel by aircraft. You don't need to be traveled

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by internal combustion engines. You can only recharge the engines

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sporadically with intermittent energy. Maybe there's hydrodjew I don't know.

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nuclear being permitted, but they haven't grasped that yet. But

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so here's a really good example of why this kind

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of fails. And this is from the BBC. This happened

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in Great Britain. It was published, it was updated in

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an hour ago. The carbon footprint of a long delayed

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00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,440
new green quote unquote ferry will be far larger than

474
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,400
the thirty one year old diesel ship that usually serves

475
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,160
the route between the Scottish mainland and the island of Iran.

476
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,279
Now a R R A N, not I R A N.

477
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,960
But it's in. So they they spent, oh we gotta

478
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,440
have a green ferry. We got to get rid of

479
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,119
this diesel plunker out there. The green ferry is going

480
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,480
to make things better. It'll change the temperature by a

481
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:38,160
point oooo a million ohs one somewhow an emissions analysis

482
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,599
by cal Mack has calculated that the Glen Sannox will

483
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,559
emit ten point three nine to one equivalent tons of

484
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,880
CO two a year, compared to seven thousand, seven hundred

485
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,000
and thirty two for m V Caledonian Isles. So the

486
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,680
dual fuel ferry has more car capacity but requires larger

487
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,640
engines which emit methane, a greenhouse asked with a far

488
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,119
greater global warming effect than CO two. Fairies Procurement agency,

489
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,599
which owns the ship, said the comparison was inaccurate. It

490
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,319
always when they disagree with you, it's that accurate. The

491
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,640
size of the Glen Sannox is a factory in its

492
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,240
carbon footprint, but so too is the liquefied natural gas fuel,

493
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,559
which is less climate friendly than previously claimed. The business

494
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,000
case for the ship, drawn up in twenty fourteen, predicted

495
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,039
it would admit about four hundred fewer times. It actually

496
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,759
admits three thousand more tons. Instead, it's now expected to

497
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,960
do seven hundred tons extra, rising to about twenty five

498
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:38,119
hundred tons extra if methane is included now now. So

499
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,880
the point is they told the public this will be better,

500
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,640
it will be greener, much fanfare, much news media. Look right,

501
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,880
our green fairy, it emits worse more and it's four

502
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,200
times more expensive and over budget. The fairy costs four

503
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359
times as much as predicted. The same thing we see

504
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,119
with a lot of real projects, even the one here

505
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,559
in Charlotte. The light rail here is you know, much

506
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,160
more expensive than ever predicted. It never did meet the

507
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,599
kind of ridership predicted. It didn't save traffic or change anything.

508
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,400
It's just a boondoggle. It is saying it's anything other

509
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,240
than that is not being honest. So that's the kind

510
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,000
of solutions that don't help.

511
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,759
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Speaker 2: Someone's thinking a lot of different music today. Much appreciate

531
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it as always. Chout out of hey for Pete Callender,

532
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,799
hoping he's enjoying his time off. And as we head

533
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,640
toward the top of the hour, you know, we were

534
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,960
talking about this in the green Agenda stuff, and you know,

535
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160
here's the thing that's fascinating to me about that topic.

536
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,079
I'm not going to be laboring because we'll be talking

537
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:48,279
with JOBASARTI later in the broadcast. It is that somehow

538
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,279
and it works both ways. I want to say this

539
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:57,359
in both ways. A topic that is supposed to be about.

540
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:04,599
It is the single overarching, most impactful topic that it

541
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,319
can affect your bottom line and freedom that we've seen

542
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,839
in our life times. I mean other than being invaded

543
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,559
by China or something like that. But largely the American

544
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:19,599
way of life is anathema to the climate change solutions,

545
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,440
if you read through them, the single greatest impact for

546
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,240
your ability to go and do things, enjoy things, travel,

547
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,640
I have a car, All of that is completely hindered

548
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
in many ways. I think the Amish are probably the

549
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,200
most climate friendly people horse drawn carriages. I think that's

550
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,640
what the Left doesn't realize that the ultimate result of

551
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
their policies would be something like that. You don't have

552
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,960
climate friendly aircraft. You don't. It's just not I mean,

553
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,119
the entire airline industry would go under. The ability to

554
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:56,799
go cross country and you want to go in your

555
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,799
RV and pack up and head out to see great

556
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
you know, the Wonders of America. No, no, no, no, no, you can't

557
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,799
do that. It's your car. My truck only gets like

558
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,519
nineteen or less on the road, and it's a hybrid.

559
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:09,640
It wouldn't get that much. It would be it would

560
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240
be disastrous. In fact, I think it's only a hybrid

561
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,599
because there's some kind of incentive. It doesn't need to

562
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:17,759
be a hybrid. It just looks good to say it

563
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,559
is right. It's to be rather I mean, to seem

564
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,920
rather than to be kind of mentality. But that's where

565
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,160
there really is, this battle in the trenches. It's not

566
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,960
sexy when Greta and Michael Mann and the rest of

567
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,400
them are out there and they're frustrated because it's not sexy.

568
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Used to it was just not sexy to push back

569
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,799
on it. Now it's not sexy to talk about it

570
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,880
at all. It's just and that's that's the frustration. My

571
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,200
concern is because I saw what happened during the pandemic.

572
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,119
They were able. They meaning I guess the political left,

573
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,079
from Roy Cooper to Mandy Cohen to Anthony Fauci to

574
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,519
the rest of them, were able to suppress people. We're

575
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,279
able to force people. I mean, when I saw military

576
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,279
members being forced to take a vaccine that had been

577
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,359
untested and unproven, I thought it was very dystopian. It

578
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,400
was very alarming to me that we could force people

579
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,200
to do these things. I never would have dreamed if

580
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,720
you had have told me, oh yeah, We'll be able

581
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,599
to force people do whatever you want to. We'll be

582
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,400
able to fire people because of not obeying what the

583
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200
federal government told them to do on a vaccine or

584
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,960
a disease that you that you could just right across

585
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,559
the board wipe an entire group out of their jobs.

586
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,920
So I don't say that, and I know it. I

587
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,480
realize it's boring when you talk about windmills and solar

588
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,880
panels and that because most of us have adopted a Hey,

589
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
none of what they've said came true. But let's but

590
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,759
be aware, be vigilant because it doesn't go away. Now.

591
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,599
I do want to get to one, and you know what,

592
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:50,960
I'll probably get to on the other side. But I

593
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,480
do want to get to the New Tolerance Campaign. And

594
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,880
you've never heard of them. I doubt. I doubt maybe

595
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,720
one in one hundred and fifty of you have ever

596
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720
heard of the New Tolerance Campaign. But they look at

597
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,440
the there are a grassroots watchdog organization, and they look

598
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,160
at who deserves National Woke Awards and they announce those.

599
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,480
We're going to go through their winners this on the

600
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,839
next in the next break. After the next break, we'll

601
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,079
go through their agenda of people, And I do want

602
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,359
to get to the Obamacare thing is as as the

603
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,079
left cheers fifteen years of Obamacare, it's worth noting, you know.

604
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,079
And this is coming from the Democrats, by the way,

605
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,759
and you're going to see it more because now that

606
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,000
Trump's in office, we'll be talking about health insurance a lot.

607
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,519
Democrats are warning. Sally pipestrote this over the Washington Examiner.

608
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,839
Democrats are warning of a surge and the number of

609
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,160
uninsured if costly enhanced subsidies for exchange coverage expiring. In

610
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240
other words, if they don't continue Obamacare, there's going to

611
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,079
be a lot of uninsured people. But exchange coverage is

612
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,319
borderline useless to many of the people that enrolled in it.

613
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,920
It requires beneficiaries to fork over huge sums before it

614
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,119
kicks in and confines them to a narrow provider network.

615
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,599
So rather then subsidized junk insurance through the exchanges, lawmakers

616
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,319
should deregulate the market so insurance can offer health plans

617
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,720
that are affordable and efficient without federal subsidies. Now this

618
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:15,119
is an opinion piece, but imagine that insurance by virtue

619
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,079
of its existence. By the way, insurance is one of

620
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,039
the reasons that America was founded. You don't believe me,

621
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000
or maybe you're not aware of that. But it wasn't

622
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,759
worth it for ships from Great Britain to cross the

623
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,640
ocean in the seventeen hundreds or it's late sixteen hundreds.

624
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:36,079
It wasn't worth it to them until insurance could insure

625
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,359
those vessels. Because the company lost one ship, they would

626
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,559
go under. So insurance looked at risk and said, hey,

627
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,000
the odds of that ship making it over this. If

628
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:44,920
you want to ensure that cargo's going to cost you this.

629
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,759
And that's how insurance work. Insurance for cars should work

630
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,759
the same way, and it largely does. Insurance is based

631
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,319
on your risk. You have a beach house, your risk

632
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,720
is different than if you have a house in Matthew's

633
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,559
or Union County or Caberras whatever. It's different. Risk is different,

634
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,759
and you pay relative to it. Now, in health insurance,

635
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,599
we've become kind of socialist there. We want to say

636
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,440
that if you want to be three hundred and fifty

637
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,000
pounds and unhealthy and your insurance should be the same

638
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,880
as someone who's health is off the charts good. So

639
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,599
we're trying to take not we, not you, not me.

640
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,679
But groups that are out there in the political world

641
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,679
are trying to remove risk from health insurance and then

642
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,840
call it insurance. And the real goal of that is

643
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,960
to make it socialized, to make it a one size

644
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,559
fits all instead of making it about risk. So when

645
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,840
they say the exchange coverage is borderline useless, it requires

646
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,880
beneficiaries to fork over huge sums before it kicks in

647
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,599
and confines them to narrow provider networks. That does look

648
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,840
at the exchanges. You can look at healthcare dot gov

649
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,400
and you can see how your plans work where you're stuck.

650
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,719
But what if it was back to risk. It would

651
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,719
look very different, wouldn't it. The enhanced subsidies allow people

652
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,519
within comes up to one hundred and fifty percent of

653
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:03,719
the federal poverty level, which is forty six thy eight

654
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,599
hundred dollars for a family of four. It's not a

655
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,440
lot of money to sign up for free exchange coverage

656
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,719
at taxpayer expense. Exchange enrollies pay a progressively larger share

657
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,960
of income for premiums until they reach four hundred percent

658
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
of the poverty level, which is one hundred and twenty

659
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,239
four thousand for a family of four. When their contributions

660
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,440
are capped at eight point five percent of income. In

661
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239
other words, the more money you make, the more you

662
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,000
have to pay. Now, that's how it works. These premium

663
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,280
subsidies hide the actual cost of coverage. Consider a hypothetical

664
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,400
couple in their twenties living in Harrisonburg, Virginia. Ironically, that's

665
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,320
the town where I was born. It's where James Madison is. Harrisonburg, Virginia,

666
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
making eighty thousand dollars a year, by the way, not

667
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,320
a rich area, just under four hundred percent of the

668
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,000
poverty level. The least expensive plan they would be able

669
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,079
to purchase through the exchange runs at four hundred and

670
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,079
seventeen dollars a month after an eighty two dollars tax credit,

671
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,199
But the plan comes with a narrow network, a seventy

672
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,360
two one hundred per person annual deductible, and a forty

673
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,360
percent coin insurance for most health expenses. The out of

674
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,239
pocket maximum is eighteen thousand dollars, enough to purchase a

675
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,400
decent car fresh off the lot. Add in the plan's

676
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,159
narrow provider network, and the picture gets worse. If the

677
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,000
hypothetical couple from Harrisonburg, Virginia can't find an in network provider,

678
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
then they're on a hook for one hundred percent of

679
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,440
most fees for everything from primary care to lab test

680
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,760
to baby deliveries. If they visit an out of network

681
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,920
emergency department, they'd be on the hook for half of

682
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,800
the bill, even after they hit their deductible. In short,

683
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,320
the marketplace insurance often works like catastrophic coverage, only useful

684
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,280
if someone suffers a five figure health care catastrophe. But

685
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,239
that's not how the exchange is advertised. Many enrollees don't

686
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,280
learn that their coverage won't offer them much help until

687
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,920
they make their first claim. Democrats plan to make the

688
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,679
enhanced premium subsidies permanent would cost taxpayers three hundred and

689
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:56,000
thirty five billion over the next ten years. According to

690
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,320
the Congressional Budget Office, we shouldn't be spending that kind

691
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,320
of money to subsidized coverage that many people we'll find useless.

692
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:06,039
And they're right on that, if you think about it,

693
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,039
if we put some thought, and that's one thing I

694
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,199
one of my wishes for twenty twenty five is for

695
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,239
us to have an honest discussion about health care, not

696
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
health insurance, because we conflagrate these two, don't we I've

697
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,159
got health insurance. Everything's fine. Well that's not healthcare. It's

698
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,400
a way to pay for health care. But we need

699
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,440
to get a handle how much does healthcare cost? How

700
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,360
much does it cost you to go to the doctor.

701
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,920
How much does it cost you to go to the hospital.

702
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,840
How much does it cost you to go to urgent care?

703
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,719
You don't know if you have health insurance, show them

704
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,280
your card, you pay your twenty dollars or your hundred

705
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,480
or your fifty, and then you get a bill later

706
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,800
on for the difference. We've got to get to where

707
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,639
we understand what we're paying and your doctor needs to

708
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,519
understand what you're paying for. They don't. They have all

709
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,199
That's why you walk in and most of the employees

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are not in healthcare. They're in paper pushing. Much more

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to go here on the Pete Calendar radio show, Joe

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was starting. We've got hour three, so much more to go,

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so do stay tuned. We'll be back after this.

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Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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so much for listening. I could not do the show

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without your support and the support of the businesses that

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advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, please support

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them too and tell them you heard it here. You

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can also become a patron at my Patreon page or

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go to dpecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much

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for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.

