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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of The

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. Special guest

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David O. dB Baker. I was gonna say, you know,

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I kind of rehearsed and open, and I was gonna

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say the one and only, and then I said, well,

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actually he's not actually the one and only. We had

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to put odb in there because there is another David

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Baker who I never see, So it doesn't even matter

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as far as you're concerned.

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Speaker 2: You're the one and only.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I can drop the O now. I

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haven't seen him the sole World series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't get drafted, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't get drafted, And yeah, I haven't seen him.

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But hopefully he's okay.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably okay. He's probably he's probably on

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a beach somewhere for all we know. Really no agenda

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here today. David and I will talk about whatever. You know,

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we're good friends. You're I will say that I'm not

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sure anyone loves it more than you that the World series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you say today that you thought there

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might be a new contender for who loves it more?

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And I was a little offended, but I think you're

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talking about your new boy, NICKI Palmo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then I you know what, you know what

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happened today. I was walking through the ten k studfield,

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which you just finished up, and I saw you with

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your little lunch bag, and I said, you know what

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I like a guy who brings the lunch pale to work.

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That's what I like, because I often bring mine to work.

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I was like, so, yeah, you're back at the top.

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Speaker 3: All shout out to Nicole Baker, my wife, who prepares wonderful,

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healthy meals every day for me. It's so hard here,

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like I mean, even if you, even if I don't

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want to get help, it's just so hard to get

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food on breaks. We don't have dinner breaks on all

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of them, and on the tournaments that do have dinner breaks,

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it's always like a rush because like it's big field

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and hard to get in places, and it's just a

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pain in the bud.

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Speaker 2: So are you a dinner break or no dinner break?

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Speaker 1: Guy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I prefer no dinner break, especially here at

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the World Series, because you know, my wife prepares nice

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for me, So I'm with you. I prefer dinner yeah,

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I mean, I just I just want to play poker. Man,

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I just want to play poker and then I want

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to go home.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well we are a week and half into

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the series. Now what's your overall impression of the summer.

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That's a very open question, so answered however you want.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'll say it kind of like crept

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up on us. I think we say that every year,

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But I mean, like I usually have like all this

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like excitement leading up to it, and then all of

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a sudden it was here. And like you you stated

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on the first couple of podcasts, it did kind of

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feel a little slow at first. But now that the

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fantasy points are rolling in and we're giving away some

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bracelets and you know, I've made a couple, you know,

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decent runs, and I've watched some friends go deep and stuff,

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so it kind of feels like we're here now. So yeah,

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I mean I love it. The new stage is obviously fantastic.

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I got an opportunity to play there, and we can

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talk about that that hell youth match that I got

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to play on on on stage that was kind of cool, but.

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Speaker 2: With a fold that you said was going to haunt you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean we can you want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: That Yeah, sure you got you got bluffed. Yeah, well

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that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of uh, it's it's kind

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of even weird that even played that tournament, because I mean,

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most people know me for being mixed games and then

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like big Field, No Limit I've started, I've dabbled in

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in Poco Go studios the last six months and you know,

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kind of butted ahead with some of the crushers there,

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so I kind of feel like my No Limit games

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kind of progressed. And then you know, I got the

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great invite to play in the Poco Go twenty five

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K heads up. So you know, I did a little

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work and practiced and played No Limit and no spoilers,

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but I kind of wanted to play more. So I

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was like, you know what, I did all the work,

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I'm just gonna go and give it a shot and

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play here. So I did, and I mean I felt good.

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I mean I loved it. It was actually somebody asked

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me today what my favorite event here that I look

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forward to, and I was, you know, trying to go

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through them all, and then all of a sudden, I

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was like I was like, I know, I felt like

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super excited. One day this week, and I couldn't remember

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what it was, and then I remembered it was the

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heads Up, and probably that's going to be like my

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most favorite event coming going forward. I was lucky enough,

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not lucky enough. I actually beat him. I beat Sergio Io,

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which is, you know, obviously like a super crusher, and

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I didn't really yet lucky to do it. I mean,

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obviously I probably had the better cards, you know, as

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it worked out, because he's probably beats me more times

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out of ten than I beat him. But it wasn't like,

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you know, I got it in better or anything. And

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then I played helm Youth and I got to play

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on the stage and that was fun, and you know,

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they they posted on Twitter. I ran a nice little

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four bet bluff with seven deuce and that was kind

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of that.

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Speaker 2: Was fun, but you didn't show it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was going to show it, but then

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I was like, I'm just gonna steal from them all day,

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so I really don't want to. I really don't want

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to show it. Uh yeah, I thought about it, but

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I was like, you know, I think I can get

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more equity by just but yeah, and then you know,

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the big fold, I folded top pair and an okay

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kicker in a spot that it's never supposed.

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Speaker 2: To be good.

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Speaker 3: I mean I had ten people come up to me

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who are better than me, and they all said, you

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played that hand fine, like that's a that's a fold

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versus him every time. You know, if it would have

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been Alex Foxen or Cal Anderson or somebody like that,

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I would have called because I would have thought they

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had more just bluffs in the range. I just thought

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I just thought Phil would never bluff it off, and

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he didn't. He had top pair as well, but it

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was a worst kicker, and I think he just kind

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of was like, I don't want to make any more

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decisions this hand and just kind of put it in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hard when a player you you

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probably know pretty well in terms of how they play.

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I mean, I think we all know Phil's style very well,

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and then he kind of just goes off the reservation.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was weird.

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Speaker 3: I sat there for two and a half minute. I

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never used time banks. I mean, you've you've watched me

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in the studio. I mean, I give my time banks

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back at the end. Uh, you know, I never I

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never used one, and I didn't use one in two

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matches here, and then I used four in that one

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hand in that one spot. So I don't know. I

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mean I should have probably given more credence to the

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fact that he had just doubled me up and he

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was tilted. I forget that. Like Phil just goes on

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random tilt and and does things.

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Speaker 2: And yah zooms just yeah, just zoom zooms.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know, it is what it is.

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But the experience was awesome. So you know, back on

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like the summer thing, you know, being up there on

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the stage, it kind of like felt real, and you know,

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seeing some of these prize pools, now million dollars prize

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pool for the ten the ten kgg and and Nolan

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Meduce was up and it's like there were everything's kind

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of been up except for some of the big field

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no limits. I know you've had a big discussion, you know,

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over the days about the field numbers, and I think

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I think some of the perspective is a little lost

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on the field numbers, because what's happening is a there's

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three events a day where there used to only be two,

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and then every like other day or every two days

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there would be a third event, so I think that.

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And then also people are just getting trapped in some

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of these events that like they have multi flights. So

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you know when you played the Mystery Millions and you bagged,

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you couldn't play things for days, and then you know,

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same thing with this Monster Stack. They're just basically trapping

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people in events, which is giving them kind of days

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off in between. So it's kind of even made it

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a little bit harder for me to play some of

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those things, Like I'd love to play the Monster but

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I just I just don't want to play like day

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one A and then you know, I get trapped and

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I bag, you know, fourteen lines and it's a fast structure.

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You know, you just kind of got to come back

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like four days later, and you know, there's all these

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events that I want to play. So that's kind of

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been my conundrum with some of these.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you're also somebody who you know, you're

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not going to leave the divacop like you're basically locked

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inside these walls, and that's by your choice. When did

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that start for you? Like what when or was that

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always in your career?

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Speaker 3: So you know, I fell in love with the World series,

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and you know It's weird because I know I shouldn't

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have this, and my wife tells me all the time

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I don't have it, and other people do. But I

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have this complex that like I want to be considered

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one of the lead players, and she's just like, well,

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you are, you are. I'm like, no, I don't. People

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don't think about me the way that they think about

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those some of the other guys, and rightfully so they're better,

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they're more accomplished, but it's like I want to fit

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into that. I want to be in. I want to

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be in the discussion when you know, Hall of Fame

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comes up and legacy and those kind of things. Even

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though I'm not now, I know that, Like, you know,

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I have four bracelets, and I have a WPT title,

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a real WPT title, not one of these you know,

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little ones that are one hundred and fifty K. I

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want to you know, I want LABC when it was

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a real one. I have four real bracelets, you know,

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not the online in Delaware. No offense to the Delaware winners,

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but you know, but I don't think that I ever

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really get discussed in that elite category. And it's a

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chip on my shoulder that I want to be considered

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that So if I go and and I love playing

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at the win, but if I go, when I win

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the fifteen hundred at the win, that doesn't do anything.

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It does not do anything for my legacy. And even

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though it's stupid, like it should just all be about

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the money. I guess that's why I'm number one in

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the heart rankings because I love it, you know, and

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I want to be considered, you know, in that top echelon.

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So I know I need I know I need to

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get the five, six, seven, eight bracelets. So the only

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way for me to do it is to be here.

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I'm not I'm not like so focused on that that

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I'm going to forego some of these bigger field, no

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limit things, you know. Like I started today playing in

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the Big O, which is a much harder bracelet to

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win than the ten case Stud. But I started in

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it because, you know, I knew that the field was

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going to be weaker. I knew that there was going

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to be a lot of money up top and whatnot.

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You know, I busted pretty quick and I wasn't really

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feeling it, so I didn't re enter and I came

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and played the stud. But I'm not foregoing some of

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those things, you know, only searching for you know, nothing

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but the bracelet being the most important. But it still is, like,

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I mean, the bracelet is is what matters. I mean,

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I would much rather win one hundred and fifty k

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fifteen hundred RAS than when two hundred K for finishing

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eighteen eighth and something else, Like I know that's stupid,

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but you know, I don't know. That's just for me.

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It's just all about accomplishing goals and winning bracelets and

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getting my name, you know, talked about when you know,

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when things come up that's important to me. And you know,

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my kids are grown, you know, my wife and I

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live you know, happily and comfortably. That's kind of like

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that's what drives me.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I I would agree that you're not

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in that conversation. I don't agree that you shouldn't be

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in that conversation. I think you should be, you know,

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I like I always think, like you're always on my

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list for fantasy and that sort of stuff, just because

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I think so much should be said. There's a lot

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of weight that should be on people who just show

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up and compete to the best of their ability every

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single day. You know, like I feel like you're somebody

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who's you're probably always playing your a game or at

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least as close to it as you can on a

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consistent basis. Where I see a lot of other people,

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they go up and down by the day, you know,

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and that's very hard to do. Now that said, I

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also understand the other side of it, where you're at

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where you have that drive to like want to be

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the best, which I think is ultimately I mean, I

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know what your wife is saying, yes, but also like

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I think it's the best players need that drive, yeah,

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like you have to push yourself.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean when when faced with the decision this year,

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you know, I own a twenty five K fantasy team

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and I'm the you know, wive partners, but I'm the

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lead voice. And Scott sever was one of my main

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targets this year because he has that that as well,

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like that he wants to be, you know, always considered,

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you know, the best, and I knew that coming off

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of a down year he would take it personally that

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people forgot about him and they didn't consider him as

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you know, a slam dunk with Sean deeb like in

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the hundreds in the Grano and so I like targeted

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that and I have that same drive. You know, Scott's

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a better player than I am. He's more accomplished than

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I am, but we we vibe on the fact that

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we have that same drive to prove people wrong consistently

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or prove them right. Like I'm sure he had it

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last year as well, like he wanted to prove that

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he wasn't a one hit wonder with the not that

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he's a one hit wonder, but a one hit wonder

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as Player of the Year, like that he wanted to

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go out and do it again. But I think he's

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kind of one of like me, Like we strive on

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the negative more than the positive. I don't know that

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to be fact. I might be putting words in his mouth,

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but when people tell me like how good I am,

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or like elite, or like when I had like my

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best years, I followed him up sometimes with some of

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my worst years. But when I've done poorly, I've always

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followed those up with successful years because just the drive

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to prove people wrong that didn't believe in me through

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the whole thing, which is stupid. And I know that

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it's fabricated.

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Speaker 1: And but I don't think it's stupid at all. Yeah,

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I mean I feel the same way. Like I played

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sports my whole life. I always felt that way. I mean,

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I feel that way like in my own poker now,

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Like and it's not on the level that you're up

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there trying to achieve, but like I basically want to

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win a poker tournament just to fucking prove people that

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I can actually do the fucking thing, like, you know,

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especially when like I'm trying, I'm supposed to be sitting

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in a commentary booth like talking about hands and stuff

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like that, and people.

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Speaker 2: Might be like, well, who the hell is this guy?

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Speaker 3: What is he?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, can I just win a damn tournament?

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Speaker 1: Like, not like I'm not talking about like, you know,

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the south Point Nightly shout out to the south Point Nightly,

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but I'm talking like a meaningful tournament.

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Speaker 2: Can I actually do something? You know?

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Speaker 1: So I understand what you're saying. I feel the same

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way sitting here, Like I want to put out the

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best podcast and the best content and have the best

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content team and like do the best stuff like I

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And it's always going to drive you, you know, and

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it eats at you. I get it. So I definitely

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feel what you go through. And the best people in

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any industry, it's not just poker. They have to have

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that drive.

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Speaker 2: You just have to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And and you know it's funny because, uh, you know,

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I'm bringing up Seaver a lot just because he's on

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my mind because I drafted him and we've been talking

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a good bit the last couple of weeks. But he said,

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as soon as your draft room were like welcome team,

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He's like, people have the memory of a goldfish, and uh,

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and that's kind of that's kind of it. It's like,

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what have you done for me lately? And it's it's

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like it was weird because you know, I want to

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brace it last year and so it's like come into

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this year and it's like you would think like that's

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but then I you know, I went to Poco goa

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studio and I had a couple of seconds and I

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was like, Okay, I can I can do this. And

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then I did two series and I didn't didn't do much,

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and then all of a sudden, I think, well, everybody

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must think I suck because I didn't do anything. And

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it's so stupid. It's like a ten or fifteen tournament

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sample size. But it's just like, if I'm not constantly

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proving that I can do it, I feel like people

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doubt me. And it's so dumb sometime. I mean, I

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don't know. I mean, I keep saying it's dumb, but

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I mean, I know, the reality is that these things

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nobody just continues to win constantly. You know, it's a poke.

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Their poker tournaments, and they're high variants and there's a

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lot of really good players and there's a lot of

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luck involved as well. So even if you're the most skilled,

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which I'm not, you aren't going to win everything. So

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I don't know, it's it's what drives me, and so

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that's what I need, and so I'm just gonna harness that.

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It's you know, I just always harness that as my motivation.

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And look, whatever you need out there, you know, if

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your feet on the negg, if you feed on the positive,

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if you feed on like whatever it is, whatever your

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motivation is, you just got to find it.

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Speaker 1: Are you someone who you know while you're playing, Like,

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is it to the point where like you think about

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it while you're playing, or is it more like I

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think about it off the table when I'm at the table,

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I just focus in on the task at hand.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I think I'm pretty focused at the

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table on kind of what I'm doing and what's going on.

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But I don't know, it's just what gets me to

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come in every day. Like I woke up today, I

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mean I was tired. I woke up at like six

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o'clock this morning, and I was, you know, it's hard

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to go back to sleep, and I found a way

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to like sleep another hour or so, and it was

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just kind of like I kind of was like, man,

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I would be nice to take a day off, and

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then I'm like, I'm not taking I'm not taking a

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day off. This is the world. Serious. I feel like, well,

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why don't you just Yeah, she was like, well, why

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don't you just hang around a little while. So I

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hung around nextra hour and I skipped the monster stack

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and just played Big O' andstud But uh, like that's

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taking a break from me. I came in. I came

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in at uh, you know, at one instead of at eleven.

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So that's that's like me giving myself a break.

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Speaker 2: I like, I like that side of the world series.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always thought that endurance is part of

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this giant thing, like you have to be able to

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well play long days, but then also play those days

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over and over and over again hopefully you know, hopefully

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you're you're going deep over and over and over again,

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and you have to have really thick skin and you're

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gonna get punched in the face a lot out there.

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I mean, it's tournament poker, that's just the nature of

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the beast. But just constantly getting up and being like, well,

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I gotta go back.

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Speaker 3: I got to The people that I love and admire

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the most in this business are the people who, regardless

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of the results, I know they're going to be here

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for forty five days. Yeah, And you know, it's it's funny.

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You've did it. You've done it. You did the twenty

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five k draft for years, and you talk to all

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these people, and I get people who text me and

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they want to be part of the team, and they

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want to be drafted and they want all this stuff.

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And it's like everybody's got a schedule until they go, oh,

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for twelve and they're now in seventy thousand. You know,

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everybody plans to show up every day and put in

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the two hundred thousand or three hundred thousand or four

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hundred thousand, but prove it to me for five five

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years that you're actually going to do it, because it's scary.

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You know, you draft somebody and you know, we make

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all these side bets and we invest all this money,

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and then next thing, you know, like they're they're oh

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for eight and they're down you know, forty eight thousand,

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and they're like, uh, well, I'm going to play golf

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and it's like I'm out, Like I can't take it.

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So being emotionally strong is those are the people that

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I love that you can just count on. You just

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know they're going to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean speaking of fantasy ODB fantasy Now before

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we get into like the numbers and the growth that

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it had, I got to ask you because it's kind

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of along these same lines. You know, not only are

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you showing up at least for the first week or

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so doing the whole poker thing, going through that gauntlet,

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you're then trying to wrangle this league together. I mean

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I like that, so that on top of trying to

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play the best poker that you can play, hopefully winn

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another bracelet go deep final tables, whatever, you're like, I

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got to collect five hundred ars from everyone, like I

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gotta keep this list, I gotta do this, that and

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the other thing. So I mean, how are you doing

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all of that at once?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when I started this thing, I obviously

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never envisioned this, but as it's become such a part

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of the World Series, you know, I feel on obligation

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to continue it. And yeah, it's way more work. I mean,

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Nicole and I joke all the time that, you know,

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the World Series doesn't really start for me till like

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mid June. I mean, I'm always over twelve. And this

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year somehow, I've you know, the very first event I

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cashed in and had an opportunity, and I've had you know,

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multiple cashes and deep ish runs and it's very rare

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for me because it's very hard for me to focus

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on both. But I don't know, I mean I love it,

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and everybody loves it. I mean, getting the thank yous

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for doing it, like repeatedly, like that keeps me going.

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It's kind of and I told you this last year

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and another interview we did, but it's kind of my

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give back a little bit to the community, like they

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love it and I love it, and look it's not easy,

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and there's a lot of like, you know, it's just

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it's annoying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I feel like every day I

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wake up, there's a new post on social media, like, hey,

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does anyone know these people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean the worst thing is just like

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people who can't read simple instructions. It's like I took

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the time to write out a one page thing to

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tell you exactly what to do, and they just ask

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me the thing that's like clearly right there. I mean

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I can't imagine. I mean, keV Math does this for

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you know, three hundred and sixty five days a year.

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It's like he'll post the structure sheet and they'll be like, well,

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what times it start, and it's like, yeah, it's right there,

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I just posted it. But yeah, I mean I I

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love the fantasy aspect of it. And you know, those

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who haven't heard the story before, just a quick how

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I started this thing eleven years ago. Ray Henson and

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I used.

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Speaker 2: To drive from years. I didn't know it was that long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is eleventh year. Ray Henson and

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I used to drive from Houston to Vegas every year

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and we would runt a house together and so we

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would drive twenty four hours and we would always drive

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in the day that they were doing the draft, and

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we would listen to the live coverage and always hoping

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that we would be drafted and how much and all that.

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And we were driving one year and I was it

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was eleven years ago, and I said, I was like, man,

475
00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,039
these people are terrible at this. I mean, I was like,

476
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,079
they're so bad.

477
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: It's like we got started in there too, because we

478
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,319
were like, everyone sucks at this thing?

479
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,519
Speaker 3: What are they doing? And so I just posted a

480
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:50,880
Twitter thing. I was like, let's anybody want to make

481
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,440
a team. And I was just expecting to do like

482
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,960
a couple of side bets, and then like I just

483
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,839
got multiple people that were like, yeah, let I'll do

484
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,599
it versu you so, and then all of a sudden,

485
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,319
you know, I get all these things. I'm like, well,

486
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,079
let's just let's just all do it together instead of

487
00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:09,519
me doing one on one, you know, betts versus you

488
00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:12,799
because you and so I asked Nicole, I was like,

489
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:14,359
can we do this? And she was like yeah, and

490
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,599
she built an Excel spreadsheet and she she manually put

491
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,000
in We got ninety four entries the first year. It

492
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,039
was like literally an idea that I had in twenty

493
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,359
four hours later, we had ninety four entries. I had

494
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,079
built like a new email account to take the emails

495
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,279
and the whole thing, and she manually scored it in

496
00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:34,799
an Excel spreadsheet for ninety four people. And then it's

497
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,960
it's built up through the years. And last year we

498
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,000
had eight hundred and seventy people and this year twelve

499
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:40,839
hundred entries.

500
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,599
Speaker 1: So yeahah, so from ninety four to twelve oh one,

501
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,960
over that eleven year span is like almost thirteen x.

502
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,359
You just mentioned eight to seventy last year, twelve o

503
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,240
one this year, that's about a fifty percent increase.

504
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:55,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's it. The growth is wild.

505
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the growth is the growth is crazy. I mean,

506
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,759
and I think you know, we had what's at like

507
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:06,880
three hundred and twenty five or whatever new entries this year,

508
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,759
but we had like one hundred and sixty new people.

509
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:13,200
So it's not like it's just some people are entering

510
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,640
more or whatnot. It's like we're actually getting new people.

511
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,920
And I'm you know Stan who does the website, if

512
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,160
I mean, he's just absolutely amazing, and hit started with

513
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,000
him with the labor of love too. He he is,

514
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,960
he lives in Pennsylvania, he's got a real job, and

515
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,319
he was just a fanboy of poker and he asked

516
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Daniel if he could do sit and he did, and

517
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,319
then he contacted me for like year. I think we

518
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,759
did year one and two and three I think on

519
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,359
Excel spreadsheets and then he had contact. He's like, I

520
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,880
think I can build you out something, and so we

521
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,519
started building in every He's just constantly trying to improve

522
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:53,640
it and it's amazing what he has built. So I

523
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,480
love working with him. He's just a great guy and

524
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,200
very talented. So yeah, I'm next year there'll just be

525
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,519
more improvements. And you know, I've got some ideas next

526
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,319
year to make it a little bit easier for myself.

527
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,440
Hopefully they work out.

528
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, does it surprise you that that Fantasy Pokra

529
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,079
has gotten so big?

530
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: No, not really, because it's I mean, I don't know people. Yeah,

531
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:24,920
I mean, we're we're dealing with a bunch of gamblers,

532
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,160
and we're dealing with people who have I think they're

533
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,880
smarter than everybody else. And we were also, you know,

534
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,359
we we kind of grew up the people who are

535
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,480
playing this Now we grew up with when DraftKings was like, uh,

536
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,400
you know, it's still big, but like in Nevada, obviously

537
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,319
it's not legal. It's a little harder to play, gotta

538
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,200
go across the border, YadA, YadA, YadA. But you know,

539
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,920
we grew up in kind of a fantasy DFS.

540
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,599
Speaker 1: I mean Draft Kings now is I mean it's known

541
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,279
for sports betting, like, well, there's probably a lot of

542
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:57,240
people that there it is. Again, there's probably a lot

543
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,160
of people on DraftKings right now who participate on the

544
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,119
platform that might not even have any idea what DFS is,

545
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,319
and like grinding out the DFS like that's what DraftKings was.

546
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,279
I mean, now it's this huge sports betting platform. Yes,

547
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,400
I mean they're even getting into prediction markets and that

548
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,240
whole thing too, But it was only DFS back in

549
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,599
the day.

550
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I remember when we had the DraftKings

551
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,400
lounge and stuff, and you know, I still love DraftKings

552
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,240
and you know, I do underdog drafts and DraftKings drafts

553
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,599
and I do Draft Kings dfs you know, when it's

554
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,200
football season and stuff. So it's all about just kind

555
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:39,079
of trying to show that you can both use your

556
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,039
opinions plus some game theory, and it's just fun. I mean,

557
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,319
it's not surprising me because it's fun. Like you know,

558
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,559
obviously I did it because I love it and enjoy it.

559
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,240
And I think I'm around like minded people. I mean,

560
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,559
I think this whole industry we're all kind of like

561
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:58,680
minded and the things that we like to do.

562
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,279
Speaker 2: Do you play your own fans.

563
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I don't. I only put in a

564
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,720
few teams because I'm I'm so busy at the time.

565
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,400
From the minute that the twenty five K draft is over,

566
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,319
I'm like trying to go through the bonus players, see

567
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,359
who didn't get drafted, who I can add. People are

568
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,799
texting me trying to add people are paying, So I

569
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,359
don't really have time to actually kind of put it down.

570
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,559
But I always throw in a few teams. And I

571
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,680
used to. I used to just use my name on

572
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,000
the title, but I would always have people like, oh,

573
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,480
you didn't pick me, huh. It's just like so now

574
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,720
I just make up make up names.

575
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: That's such a funny aspect of this fantasy league, the

576
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,519
fantasy poker leagues, both the twenty five K and your league.

577
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,400
It's like because people even tell me like, oh, you

578
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,440
didn't draft me this year. I like, I DMed you

579
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880
my schedule. I'm like, okay, I can only pick eight people. Man, Like,

580
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,759
what do you want me to do?

581
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:47,319
Speaker 3: Right?

582
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I tried to bid on you and somebody outbid me,

583
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,319
which happened a couple of times, and then I'm like, listen,

584
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:52,839
I tried, Okay, I didn't have enough money.

585
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: What do you want me to do?

586
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean a funny story. I mean, I don't know film.

587
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,000
But so Jason Daly is he a good friend of

588
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,599
Ray Henson's and for the last two years he's told

589
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,440
it and we've been like, yeah, you know, you're on

590
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:09,759
a let and he's always been like the bubble boy

591
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:14,559
that like, if if one person got bid on that

592
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,920
we had just above him, we would have had Jason.

593
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,759
But we never ended up with him. This year, I

594
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,400
told him we're drafting you. I told Ray. I was like,

595
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,799
tell him, we're going to draft him. And then, because

596
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,480
then nobody knows him, I'm just going to keep him

597
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,279
to the end. And then Jeremy Becker throws him out

598
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,359
like halfway through the auction, and then I'm bidding two, three, four,

599
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:37,400
and but my philosophy on the draft is just you know,

600
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,119
I've got all these guys that are kind of that

601
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,759
I like a lot that are I expect to get

602
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,400
at the end, but I don't want to. I don't

603
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,599
want to pay for them early because I want to

604
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,000
leave the flexibility when there's somebody that is you know,

605
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,640
good value or you know, I can use those dollars

606
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,720
to bid up like some of the good teams that

607
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,519
I know like are willing to pay more and things

608
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,240
like that. So I just let him go even though

609
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,920
I wanted him this year. And then he wins a

610
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,079
bracelet and like his first amend. So it's kind of like, well,

611
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,079
you know, but it's funny because he's like every year

612
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,839
he's he's like, oh, you didn't draft me again, and

613
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,039
I think he's just the second year he want a bracelet,

614
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,559
and so yeah, it's it is funny how people do

615
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,799
kind of take it personally when when they don't when

616
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,279
they don't get bought by you. But look like we're

617
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,799
only we like you said, we can only do eight

618
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,759
and you know I have three hundred schedules in my DM,

619
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720
so it's like, I mean, I'm sorry, Like you know,

620
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:39,759
I'd love to have you all.

621
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: I thought the twenty five K fancy draft this year

622
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,759
was like the softest it's ever been. I I I

623
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,279
part of my lack of motivation to do it this

624
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,039
year is that I thought last year was very tough.

625
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,519
I thought a lot of people were prepared, a lot

626
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,119
of people had the same guys that we had pegged,

627
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,559
so I was like, well, okay, whatever, and then I

628
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,400
just never felt the motivation that said this year, I

629
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
was like, what the hell are people doing?

630
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought there were some really poor drafters in

631
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,039
the room. But I think a lot of it is

632
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:21,000
the product of we've gotten new people in that they

633
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,759
might not have all the contacts and so they're basically

634
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,079
just using the raw data from past years to formulate

635
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:35,759
the prices, or they're just taking their no limit you know,

636
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,160
friends or whatever, and you've got to just kind of

637
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,119
I mean, I do have a little advantage that I

638
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,079
kind of know like all the mixed game community, and

639
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:45,960
I know the no limit guys. Now that I'm playing

640
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
in the studio, you know, I started to meet some

641
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,000
of those guys, and like, this year, my target, my

642
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,880
my plan was to make sure that I got a

643
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,039
couple studio guys, and I got David Coleman, who you know,

644
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,880
no offense to anybody else. No, he didn't Stone Bubble,

645
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,680
No really yeah, oh shit. See that's the thing they

646
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
don't even is that real breaking news?

647
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? You want to know.

648
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: The hand too is a funny one. He opens the button.

649
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,240
Jesse lonis who's a big Chip leader. Three bets from

650
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,839
the Big Blind. David has King nine suited, David four

651
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,720
bets like all but like five k left.

652
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Jesse just has aces.

653
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: No.

654
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,319
Speaker 3: I didn't know I because you know, once they started

655
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,160
doing the feature tables, they don't put on the Uh.

656
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got a change, by the way. That's I

657
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440
sent the messages today to people too, because there's like

658
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,440
forty fifty people in the app that just say featured player,

659
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,279
feature player. I'm like, can we like at least with

660
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,240
their names, Yeah, just so I know they're still in

661
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,680
the tournament when if they bust out?

662
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Like fine? Like what right?

663
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,079
Speaker 3: I was Actually I was excited to go home and

664
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
watch the coverage and see Coleman on there.

665
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Now are you are you someone?

666
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,519
Speaker 1: Who do you do you consume the coverage? Like well,

667
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,759
I mean obviously it's probably hard for you while you're.

668
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,279
Speaker 3: Playing hard while I'm playing. I watched I watched the

669
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,480
heads Up. I watched some of the heads Up because

670
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,160
well because I was on it. But it's all also

671
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,920
just you know, I kind of wanted to see some

672
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
of it. I I really haven't had the time because

673
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,480
I'm I'm playing every day. But if there's if there's

674
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,839
people that I want to watch, I will, you know,

675
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,119
and I like everything that they're doing here. It's just

676
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,559
it's hard to watch while I'm at the table. But

677
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,640
if there's something like super interesting, I'm not going to

678
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,119
watch like the random tables just because I'm you know,

679
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,119
I don't want it to take away too much from

680
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
my playing. But you know, if I'm sitting in the

681
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440
monster stack tomorrow, like I'll put the coverage on, but

682
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,400
you know, i'm playing ten K stud I'm not going

683
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,440
to watch the coverage.

684
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to fantasy real quickly. Is there is there

685
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,519
anything that you might have learned from running the ODB

686
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
League that maybe you you know, it's kind of like

687
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,279
a little side benefit or something to be like, oh,

688
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,079
like that's kind of cool that I get to do

689
00:31:58,119 --> 00:31:59,839
this or whatever, like maybe something that you didn't a

690
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,079
preciate when you first started.

691
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:02,799
Speaker 2: Then now you do appreciate.

692
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: I really do, just like appreciate the people more, but

693
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,200
not from uh, I haven't learned anything that's helped me

694
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,559
in the twenty five K thing or or any of that,

695
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,279
which I probably should, Like you really should just look

696
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:20,519
at the ownerships and the ODB League and kind of

697
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,119
get a sense at who people think are good players.

698
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920
You know, like Pads is continuously one of the most

699
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,240
owned players. So that just means that the other players

700
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:33,559
who are playing obviously respect him. Obviously. It also comes

701
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:35,119
to the fact that he always says I'm not playing

702
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,240
and he shows up every fucking day. But and I

703
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,920
love Pads. Pads is one of my one of the

704
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000
people that have become the closest to me over the

705
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,079
last two years.

706
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: I love Pads.

707
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about Patrick Leonard, and you know, he's someone

708
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,640
who I think he obviously posts a lot on social media,

709
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,160
right and if for you guys out there, and I've

710
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,480
said this before, so this isn't anything new for many

711
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,200
of you, but you can glean a lot of really

712
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,200
good tips and insight, like he might not be always

713
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
diving into the details of a hand history, which he

714
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,799
does at times, yes, but there's other things, like, you know,

715
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:11,799
I talked about you being one of those people who

716
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,599
shows up every day and just consistently playing as close

717
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960
to the top of your game. Like that's a big

718
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Pads thing, Like just always showing up and playing the

719
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,839
best you can play when everyone else is going up

720
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,920
and down, everyone's gonna have a bad day there. You know,

721
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,039
people are just gonna fire it in and just do whatever.

722
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Like they might be on tilt, they might be tired,

723
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
they might be over because they're over eighteen, you know,

724
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,440
like all that sort of stuff. But if you can

725
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:34,880
just keep showing up even if your game isn't as

726
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,440
good as everyone else is, But if you're consistently playing

727
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,519
that the best you can, you're probably gonna have a

728
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,799
decent amount of success because everyone else is gonna go

729
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:44,599
all over the place.

730
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Also, like you'll hear

731
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,680
a lot of the high limit players and you know

732
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,400
a lot of times they get asked like, well, why

733
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000
are you guys playing this game? It's like who's the fish,

734
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,799
and it's like, well, it depends on the day, yeah,

735
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:03,039
you know, And the thing that makes the great players

736
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960
the best is their ability to like, if I could

737
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,159
just have my B game every single day, I take it.

738
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,119
But the thing is, like, we're all human. We have

739
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,719
our A games, we have our B games, we have

740
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,199
our C games, we have our D games. So trying

741
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,159
to play your D game as little as possible, or

742
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,400
at least in spots where you can kind of get

743
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,639
away with it because you're playing against lesser competition or whatever,

744
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,719
that's kind of key. And and you know, I try

745
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,719
to do that. I'm not I'm definitely not perfect in

746
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,639
that I've played some horrific hands over the years and

747
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,880
everyone has, yeah, and I mean, I'm sure I've played

748
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,280
multiple This year, I feel like I feel like this series,

749
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,360
I really have played pretty damn good. So I'm I'm

750
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,840
I'm hopeful that the rest of the series kind of

751
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,320
goes well because I have felt like I've played pretty

752
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,400
pretty good so far. So you know, I'm excited. I

753
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,760
can't say that every year I've started out feeling that way,

754
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,679
especially like you said, you know, I'm so distracted the

755
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,880
first week, week and a half. I definitely don't think

756
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,440
that that that I have at times, but kind of

757
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,360
making a little run in the first event, and then

758
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719
you know, I got an early final table just like

759
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,039
a week ago and or I don't even know what

760
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,719
is three four days ago and no limit douce. I

761
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,039
think that kind of has kind of showed me, you know,

762
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,199
just keep playing well and you're gonna, you know, you're

763
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,599
gonna give yourself opportunities. So I mean that's at the

764
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:29,920
end of the day, that's all we can do is

765
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,199
try to put ourselves in position as much as possible.

766
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,400
And you know, I've said this before, but it's it's

767
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:40,199
like all every opportunity that I've had that I've missed,

768
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,639
I've tried to like get something out of and you know,

769
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,079
hopefully get in a better position the next time that

770
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,519
I'm in that and I can kind of look back.

771
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,039
I was having this discussion with somebody the other day

772
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:53,920
and they were, you know, why do you play the

773
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,199
studio events like they're not good? Like there's no eve either,

774
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,480
And it's you know what, if I'm break even ev

775
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,480
in the studio or even small loser, that is more

776
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,559
learning than you can do, then you can pay for

777
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,840
in any course. Because now I'm playing against David Coleman,

778
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,039
I'm playing against Shannon Shure, I'm playing against you know,

779
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Jesse Lonis, I'm playing against these people, so when I

780
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,000
get in these spots in these tournaments, I'm not foreign

781
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,800
to it. Also, in the studio, you're playing against you know,

782
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,119
there's less tables, so you get to the final three tables,

783
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,599
you get to the final two tables, you get to

784
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,079
the final table more often. So I've been in these

785
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:37,800
positions where I've seen the ICM implications and I also change.

786
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: You know, in the studio generally speaking, most of the

787
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,840
tournaments start fairly shallow. So like you're in there and

788
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,519
like hand one, it's meaningful poker. You're like, let's go.

789
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,079
You know, this isn't like I got five hundred big blinds.

790
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,199
Let's just sit around for three hours. Maybe somebody will

791
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,599
punt to me.

792
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,159
Speaker 2: Whatever. No, You're in there and you're like, you gotta go.

793
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can. I can think of other

794
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,920
times in my career that maybe I haven't capitalized on

795
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,559
spots that maybe if I had, you know, taken a

796
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:07,960
slightly negative ev spot by by putting myself in some

797
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,719
of these tournaments that are a little tougher, that maybe

798
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,159
I would have been more prepared for and that pays

799
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,679
for all the you know, if you're playing like a

800
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,719
five thousand dollars tournament at the Poker Co Studio. You know,

801
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,199
a player like myself that even if I'm even if

802
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,320
I'm not a big winning player there, like what am

803
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,239
what's it costing me like three hundred bucks to play

804
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,519
when I got forty seven hundred TV instead of fifty

805
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,079
one hundred or whatever. It's like, I'm not You're not

806
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,320
losing every time. So even if I'm losing small, I'm

807
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,559
gaining the experience and the knowledge that when I get

808
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,920
in this situation and I get down to three tables

809
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,039
here at the World Series, like last year, you know,

810
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,280
I was in the seniors and and I obviously you know,

811
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,960
I won that, And it's like the three tables in

812
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,320
I was able to do things that I might not

813
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,199
have done had I not been able to play with

814
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,800
some of those players, you know, over the past year

815
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:07,280
two years. So it's like now that I'm getting more

816
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,719
experience playing against those type of players, when I when

817
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,559
I get in these opportunities again, which I know I'm

818
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,239
going to, I'll be able to harken back to. And also,

819
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,639
you know, I watch what's Brock Wilson doing, Like like,

820
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,679
how is he having so much? Like I'm watching the

821
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,880
things that he's doing and I'm like, why did he

822
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,320
do that? And I'm I'm really good at reverse engineering hands.

823
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,360
A lot of people learn, you know, from front to back.

824
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,239
I kind of learned back to front. You know. People

825
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,360
want to be totally studied and they want to learn,

826
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,519
and then they want to go in and they want

827
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,679
to implement that. What I do. My approach to poker

828
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,039
is more like I watch good players play and I

829
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:46,760
see the things that they do, and I try to

830
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,920
figure out why did they do that? And Okay, what

831
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,400
would I how do I combat that? And also how

832
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,800
do I bring that into my own game? And so

833
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,840
when I get in these spots, I think back, oh, well,

834
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,400
Shannon Shore did this, I liked the way that he

835
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,400
did that, or I didn't understand the way that he

836
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,360
did that. Let me think about why he did that,

837
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,320
and I will revert. And it always ends up with

838
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,519
me kind of studying because he studies so much, and

839
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,679
he's playing you know, close to I'm not gonna say perfect,

840
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,199
but like he's playing closer to optimal. So if he

841
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880
does it, let me figure out why. And so that's

842
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,320
kind of been my approach to poker, and that's kind

843
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,320
of why I really like playing with, you know, some

844
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,280
of these best players, some of the best players.

845
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also a lot to be said just

846
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,760
about putting yourselves in spots. And this isn't just poker,

847
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,960
this is really any avenue of life, putting your spots,

848
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,880
putting yourself in spots that are out of your comfort zone,

849
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,320
that are more challenging, like, because that's going to bring growth, right,

850
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,840
And you have to do a lot of that sort

851
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,480
of stuff, right.

852
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: So, yeah, maybe you're not.

853
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: A winning player if you're in there every single day,

854
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,920
But to take a couple of shots here and there,

855
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,280
I think is fine. And I think a lot of

856
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,719
poker players out there should take shots.

857
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: Now.

858
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: Maybe don't take shots where your risk of ruin is

859
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,599
through the roof, I get it, But you know, you

860
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,079
can take a shot here and there. I've played in

861
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,400
the studio too, you know, and I wanted to take

862
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,679
a shot just to like get out there and like

863
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,039
listen again, going back to what I said at the beginning,

864
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,239
like I'm in the commentary with a lot of times

865
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,480
talking about these players, I need to at least get

866
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,480
out there and experience that you know, even if I lose,

867
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:23,719
it doesn't it doesn't matter.

868
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: Just getting your feet wet a little bit, like you

869
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:26,199
just have to try.

870
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: And it's not only in poker, it's like life. You know.

871
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,840
I wanted to do more what are you called? Like

872
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,920
you know, podcasts and and just more media stuff. So

873
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,119
you know, I started doing some things on you know,

874
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,159
I got invited to do a visting spot. I wasn't

875
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,239
comfortable the first time, but I did it and then

876
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,480
I got a little better, and then you know, I've

877
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:52,280
I've I've taped some podcasts with you know, Jason McIntyre

878
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
and I've you know who saw it with Fox Sports,

879
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,079
and I've and I started my own podcast, Gamble Up.

880
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,440
Hopefully we'll get some episodes back soon. But just kind

881
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:04,519
of like putting myself out there in uncomfortable spots so

882
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,360
that I can get better, and people ask like, well,

883
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,840
what's your in game with that, and it's like, I

884
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,599
don't know. All I know is that it's something that

885
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,039
I enjoy doing. And look, I'm not going to get

886
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:18,480
hired by Fox to do a podcast today, but you know,

887
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,239
if I get my reps and I learn how to

888
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,239
do it and I and I get better at it,

889
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,880
and I put myself out there and I make you know,

890
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:30,039
I make some bad podcasts. That's fine because I'm learning

891
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,519
as I do it, and so hopefully then when I

892
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,559
do get that opportunity to maybe you know, be on

893
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,639
a bigger stage and have bigger opportunities, I'll be more

894
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,000
verse than able to do it. And you know, I'm

895
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,920
sure you probably feel that way too. That's why I mean,

896
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,880
you guys started grid Iron Gamble, and I mean.

897
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: I was, I was completely a fish out of water

898
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:53,199
when I first started doing podcasts, when I first did commentary,

899
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,880
when I first did any sort of video thing. And

900
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,440
now it's just natural to me, right, But you have

901
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,480
to build up those reps. I mean, maybe there are

902
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,239
some unicorns out there that they just turn on the

903
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,599
camera and they turn on the mic and they just

904
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:04,199
go and whatever.

905
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, just exactly, Yeah, you just started.

906
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: And like there's a lot of learning with it, and

907
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960
you just you have to go through those reps.

908
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: You have to do it.

909
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: It's just how it is, and you're not gonna learn

910
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,320
without doing it. You're just you're just not so And

911
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,920
it's the same thing, like I'm sure there's a lot

912
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,159
of people out there who they had that same sort

913
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:21,480
of feeling. I mean, I had that same sort of

914
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,280
feeling when I first went to play.

915
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Poker into casino.

916
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,639
Speaker 1: It's like, oh shit, I gotta go like playing a casino, Like,

917
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:28,079
am I gonna like do I know how to like

918
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:28,760
handle my chips?

919
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: And I gotta slip over my cards like you know,

920
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,559
But eventually it's just it's just second nature, you know.

921
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, So basically, I think what David and I

922
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,880
are saying is like, always take the uncomfortable thing. And

923
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:44,400
now in my professional life and also in my regular

924
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,000
life too, you know, I try and kind of always

925
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,280
say yes to stuff. My wife is really good at this.

926
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,679
She's always like, we need to go here, we need

927
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,440
to hang out with this people, and I'm just my

928
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,039
initial reaction is like I don't want to do any

929
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,440
of that. I don't want to talk to people. I

930
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,360
just want to be you know, the family guy at

931
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,239
home whatever. But she forces me to do that. She

932
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,400
takes me out of my comfort zone, which is why

933
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,920
I think we work so well together. And and that

934
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,760
sort of stuff leads to a lot of growth in

935
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,239
all areas of life.

936
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: So I mean, and also in poker, I think it's

937
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,480
important to get out of your comfort zone. So something

938
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,559
that I've done recently is about six eight months ago,

939
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,840
I decided that I wanted to start playing more Nola

940
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,920
m cash. So I started playing in MJ's game at

941
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,679
the area, and I just started putting myself in uncomfortable

942
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,760
situations at the table and knowing that I'm some of

943
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,559
these things are probably losing place, but I wanted to

944
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,519
see how like I reacted and how people reacted to

945
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,400
me doing putting myself in. It's easy to sit there

946
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,639
and just fulfold. Oh I have ace king, I'm all in,

947
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,320
you know. Like, but when you start playing like these

948
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,599
weird hands, you think Keating was like great at playing

949
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,639
trash before he started, No, but like he put himself

950
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,079
in uncomfortable situations and watching like him and Wass and

951
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:04,079
Hanks and these guys put themselves in uncomfortable situations in

952
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,559
games and work their way out. Well, you can watch

953
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,800
that all you want, but you're not gonna get good

954
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,079
at it until you just start putting yourself in uncomfortable situations.

955
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,039
And I don't play tournaments like I play cash, you know,

956
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,440
but in tournaments sometimes like when you're deep, you know,

957
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,800
and it's a smaller tournament, or it's something that like

958
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,920
you just want to practice, Like, go put yourself in

959
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,480
some uncomfortable situations, you know, three bets, some weird hands,

960
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,280
play hands out of position, play you know, call raises

961
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,360
in the blind, Like just experiment because it's gonna pay

962
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,079
dividends later on, because you're not going to be able

963
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,840
to play ABC as you move up the ladder in poker,

964
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,199
So try to put yourself in uncomfortable situations in life,

965
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,559
but also at the poker table, because that's gonna get

966
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,519
you better in the long run. This isn't a you know,

967
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,880
this is a game of constant evolution, and you're constantly

968
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,519
you need to be evolving yourself in your game. So

969
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,960
the more uncomfortable slots you get in, the more comfortable

970
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,400
you'll be in those uncomfortable spots in the future.

971
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: What's the overall mood at the series this summer from

972
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,639
from somebody who's there every single day with all these

973
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,760
different players, all these different characters, Like, is there anything

974
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,320
that feels different or is it just the same as

975
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,039
it's always been.

976
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of business as usual. I don't

977
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,840
really since anybody being overly like this is way better

978
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,920
than last year, this is way worse than last year.

979
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,599
All the improvements we like. I don't think it's necessarily

980
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:42,159
transpired into an over the top enthusiasm that amongst the

981
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:46,880
players that you know changes, but we are happy with

982
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,119
some of the changes. We are happy. Obviously, we love

983
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:54,000
the app We love how like the lines have been down.

984
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,800
The dealers, for the most part, have been better. Obviously,

985
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,639
they're those of us who know that you can't just

986
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:05,280
bring on two thousand people and have them be perfect dealers,

987
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,519
Like that's just not going to be the case. But

988
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,239
for the most part, I feel like they've been better.

989
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,559
I think this rating system is good. You know, we

990
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:18,960
love the stage like the fantasy aspect. Just it's crazy.

991
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,559
I mean, Daniel and I have talked about this, but

992
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:25,599
because of Daniel's league and my league, it helps the

993
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,719
World Series numbers grow. Do you know how many people

994
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,119
play events that they wouldn't normally play because they get drafted.

995
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,360
I have I have a bunch of people who put

996
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,239
themselves on there, who asked me to list them as

997
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,119
bonus players so they could draft themselves and they can

998
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:43,039
play more events. You know, people who get drafted. I

999
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,280
mean everybody on my team. Like, if you want to

1000
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,239
play something that you you know you're on the fringe about,

1001
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,679
you know, let me know. I mean I might help you,

1002
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,639
Like I might buy a small piece just to get

1003
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,199
you over the top, to get you in like they're

1004
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,480
and so that helps drive numbers. People have the pride

1005
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,199
of being on teams. So I think all all that excitement.

1006
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,840
Noia just won Bracelet yesterday. He's on our twenty five

1007
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,360
K team. He drafted himself on four ODB teams. Like

1008
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,800
one of the things he posted after winning was look

1009
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,039
my ODB teams in second place. You know, when he

1010
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,760
came to me and he was he was like so

1011
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,679
excited that, like his team was doing well. And then

1012
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,000
it's like, hey, you just want to bracelet four hundred

1013
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,039
and fifty thousand dollars or something. That's what you should

1014
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,199
be excited about, not be second in my league. But

1015
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,719
it's I love that. I love that people like think

1016
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,960
about that as one of the first things that they

1017
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,440
think about the serious and and you know, hopefully when

1018
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,039
I'm long gone from this, maybe somebody will just take

1019
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:40,599
it on and keep my name attached to it.

1020
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean I think now it's going for eleven years,

1021
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,719
it's it's just locked in. Yeah, unfortunately, So I mean

1022
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,559
someone's gonna have to do it, you know, if you

1023
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:49,360
move on. But you know it's always going.

1024
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,559
Speaker 3: To be when I move on, I'll be moving down

1025
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:56,480
down down Under because I'm not you know, my Poker's

1026
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:58,960
my life. And I've said this before. I'm a lifer.

1027
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000
I love this stuff. And you hear some of these

1028
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:02,679
people say, O, if I won the main event, you'd

1029
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,320
never see me again. If I won the main event,

1030
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,599
you see me at Triton. I mean I'd be like everywhere.

1031
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,280
Like I mean, I'm not I'm playing poker. I'm playing

1032
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,840
poker and I'm betting football. Like those two things they're

1033
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,320
not changing. So those are my two Those are my

1034
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,159
two passions when it comes to gambling, and those are

1035
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:21,039
the two things I'm gonna do. So yeah, you'll see

1036
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,559
me at the World Series, you know, as long as

1037
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:26,480
I can you know, sit up straight and in a

1038
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:27,440
chair for eight hours.

1039
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: A question that I've been asking everyone that I try

1040
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,719
and talk to this summer, what does success look like

1041
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,920
for you when the summer is all said and done.

1042
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'd love to say it's winning a bracelet,

1043
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,800
but it's I'm not gonna call it a failure if

1044
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,519
if I don't win a bracelet and I do some

1045
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,400
other things. I don't think there's one thing that necessarily

1046
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,400
signals success for me. But you know, I could give

1047
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,320
you the generic, Well, if I play good, I'll be

1048
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,000
happy and let the cards falut. But that's I mean,

1049
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,599
that's not me. I mean I need to win. I

1050
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:05,159
need to put myself in position to win. I you know,

1051
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,000
if I don't have at least three or four final

1052
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,199
tables and legitimate shots at bracelets, you know, it'll be

1053
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,119
a failure to me. Now, you know, if I win

1054
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,000
the Monster Stack and then I brick out, you know

1055
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,079
ten of ents, you know the rest of the series,

1056
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:22,119
that will be a success. Obviously you win a million

1057
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:26,880
dollars and you know whatever. But you know, the success

1058
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,320
kind of just varies on which events you do well in.

1059
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,000
I mean, if I final table fifteen hundred no limit

1060
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,920
deuce and get eighth and fifteen hundred limit hold them

1061
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,039
and I get ninth and and you know, twenty five

1062
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,920
hundred such and such and I get seventh, that's probably

1063
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,920
a failure. But you know, if I get fifth in

1064
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,719
the PPC and that's my only one, then it's probably

1065
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,440
like a success. So, you know, I don't know my

1066
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,559
you know, I just want to have fun. I want

1067
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:56,960
to enjoy myself every day, and I want to, you know,

1068
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,559
monetarily come out in the positive and and you know,

1069
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,159
add to my resume of final tables and hopefully bracelets.

1070
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,199
I think it's very realistic that I went another one.

1071
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,639
So yeah, I mean that's obviously that is at the forefront.

1072
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,880
If I win a bracelet, like it can't be a failure,

1073
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,599
you know, even if I lose money, which is kind

1074
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,599
of kind of weird to say, but I mean I

1075
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,960
will I probably won't lose money if I want a bracelet.

1076
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,039
I don't know. The worst bracelet's like, what one hundred

1077
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,440
and fifty thousand, So I'm probably gonna play four hundred K.

1078
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,079
So it'd be hard for me to lose too much

1079
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,519
money if I if I want a bracelet.

1080
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,599
Speaker 1: When the summer is done, do you does it take

1081
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,480
a little bit for you to kind of decompress. You

1082
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,039
have to just kind of chill out and get over

1083
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,119
the grind that just happened for seven weeks.

1084
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:45,159
Speaker 3: I'm Bill different, man, I can I can go. I

1085
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:46,480
mean I grew up.

1086
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: I grew up back in my day. I grew up.

1087
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: I grew up on the streets of Commerce, California, where

1088
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,880
we just played NonStop. We're playing NonStop poker. MJ's game

1089
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,960
runs five days in a week, and I'm there like

1090
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,920
five days a week. You know, I'll be you know

1091
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,719
when when July eighteenth or nineteenth or whatever comes, I'll

1092
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,239
be like, shit, why doesn't the wind just have something

1093
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,000
here like post limb, Like, I'll be ready to go.

1094
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,559
But yeah, I mean, yeah, i might take a few

1095
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,079
days or a week, but I'll be back at the table.

1096
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,440
I mean, it's a drug. I mean I'm addicted. I'm

1097
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,639
addicted to poker. I'm addicted to gambling, and uh, you

1098
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:27,960
know it's lucky. Then I'm just kind of good at it.

1099
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,960
So you know, for people who are addicted to things

1100
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,159
that they're not good at is bad. But yeah, it

1101
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,519
doesn't take me too long. I'm built different, Like I said,

1102
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,360
I mean, I just it's nothing really phases me in

1103
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,480
a regard of wanting to not play, cause if I'm

1104
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,079
doing well, I want to press it, and if I'm

1105
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:49,960
doing bad, I want to I want to prove to

1106
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,840
myself that I can do it. And if you're breaking evening,

1107
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,599
it's like, well, I'm just kind of wasting time. So

1108
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,000
I better like get I get winning or get losing.

1109
00:51:56,119 --> 00:52:00,119
So there's really no stopping point. Like some people are like, oh,

1110
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,119
if I win, I'll like take a break. Some people

1111
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:03,920
like take a break when they're losing. I just don't

1112
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,800
take breaks.

1113
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:06,639
Speaker 2: I think that's all I have for you.

1114
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I just want to say thank you for

1115
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:13,000
having me, because I, like you say on many of them,

1116
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:17,159
I am a loyal fan and I'm a poker fan boy. First,

1117
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,360
you know. It's it's cool that I get to kind

1118
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,920
of be a fanboy and at the same time some

1119
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,079
people fanboy me. Uh, you know, it's kind of weird. Yeah,

1120
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,840
it's kind of weird. Like you know because at the

1121
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,639
World Series, you get to play in the ten k

1122
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,800
study and you get to play with like your legends,

1123
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,760
and they hear I played in the ten k gig

1124
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,239
the other day with Phil Ivy and he gets to

1125
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,559
the table and he looks at me and he double takes.

1126
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,519
And you know, I've played with Phil a lot. I've

1127
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,280
played with Phil many times and you always think like

1128
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,079
they know who you are. But you know, with Phil,

1129
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,880
you just never really like, I know Phil Helme, you

1130
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:58,360
knows my name, I know Daniel mcgreano's. I don't know

1131
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,480
if Phil Ivy knows who I am. So like he

1132
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,559
comes he sits, he looks at me, and he double

1133
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,639
takes and he goes, you lost some weight, Huh. I

1134
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,480
was like he knows me. I was like, I was like, yes.

1135
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,639
It was like if I like the fanboy and he

1136
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:12,840
comes out, it's like, okay, he knows who I am,

1137
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,719
Like he remembers that, like we've played together and we've

1138
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,159
had some good experiences and so so I still get

1139
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:19,719
to be the fanboy. But then I also get to

1140
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,880
go and I get to play you know, the five

1141
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,920
hundred Mystery Million, and there's three four people there that

1142
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,639
are like talking to me about things like they're fanboying me,

1143
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,119
and you know, I like that. I like the fact

1144
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:37,679
that I get to be somebody's that they look up to.

1145
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,000
And so I don't know.

1146
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,159
Speaker 1: That that's probably yeah, And in a way it probably,

1147
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,400
I guess keeps you in check because because you know

1148
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,559
that some people can look up to you, so you're

1149
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:51,119
not just going to be flying off the handle like

1150
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,760
some lunatic running around like you know, actually there's people

1151
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,480
that like might look up to me, so I can't

1152
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,119
look like a fool.

1153
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So, I mean the whole point I got

1154
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,440
on this tangent was I'm a fan of the pod.

1155
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,519
I'm a fan of you and and when Tim was

1156
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,480
part of it and Remco was part of it, and

1157
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,159
I've wanted to, you know, come on and just just

1158
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,960
shoot the ship with you, because you know, we obviously

1159
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,920
we talk a lot anyway during football season especially and

1160
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,000
leading up to poker season and stuff, because you know,

1161
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,639
I love what you and rich And and mow And

1162
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:25,639
and Brett do with Great Iron Gamble as well. And

1163
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,400
I listened to this pod all the time. So it's

1164
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,079
a pleasure, honestly to get to come on here and

1165
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,000
talk poker, something that I love with somebody who loves

1166
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,719
it as much as I do. So yeah, thank you

1167
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,679
for having me, and thank you for everything that you

1168
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,679
do for Poker the World series, the studio, the Poker

1169
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,159
Goro series and everything you know, from the people who

1170
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,280
don't get a chance to or they're too shy to

1171
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,840
tell you, or they don't get to just want to

1172
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,719
tell you that there's a lot of us out there

1173
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,360
that appreciate the way that you love poker and the

1174
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,440
things that you do, so as a bastion for them,

1175
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,880
I just want to tell you thank you and.

1176
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Speaker 2: We appreciate you. I'm just a guy who loves the game. Man. Yeah,

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that's me too. I just absolutely love it. I know

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you do. I know you do. We might be following you.

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Speaker 1: At some point throughout the summer, you know, hopefully in

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the coming days do a little day in the life

1181
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or something of ODB and then I don't know, hopefully

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you win a bracelet or two and we just talked

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to you again.

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Speaker 2: You know that's a dream, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope I get to I hope I get

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to cry on camera again last year. So yeah, I'm

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here for anything that. You know, if there's anybody else

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out there that wants to, you know whatever, sponsor me

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or do anything like I'm here.

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Speaker 2: I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Nobody loves it more on top of the hard rankings people.

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All right, he's David O. D B.

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Speaker 2: Baker.

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Speaker 1: My name is Donnie Peters, who's a pleasure as always

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on the pover Girl podcast, and we will talk to

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you guys, next time.