Speaker 1: Welcome contract number Thursday, the eleventh of September, September, eleventh
Speaker 1: year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five. My name is
Speaker 1: Tom Sullivan. So well, I want to split this into
Speaker 1: two programs. Today we've got a lot of updates about
Speaker 1: the hunt for the killer of Charlie Kirk, so I
Speaker 1: want to I'll start with that, that's the freshest news.
Speaker 1: And then, of course it's also September eleventh, twenty four
Speaker 1: years after we were attacked by al Qaeda, and I
Speaker 1: didn't have a replay of a lot of what happened
Speaker 1: on that day that I want to play for you.
Speaker 1: General Keene his observations about what was going on Zen
Speaker 1: and I don't want.
Speaker 2: To be.
Speaker 1: Overlooking there was in the middle of all of this.
Speaker 1: Yesterday there was a shooting at a high school in
Speaker 1: the Denver area, and that they're saying that the high
Speaker 1: school shooter was radicalized by some extremist networks. Is sixteen
Speaker 1: year old student who opened fire at his Colorado high school,
Speaker 1: wounding two classmates then turning the gun on himself, and
Speaker 1: the sheriff there says he was radicalized by some extremist network.
Speaker 1: Gunfire was at Evergreen High school broke out around lunchtime yesterday.
Speaker 1: Three students taken to the hospital in critical condition following
Speaker 1: the gunfire. And then, of course he did what most
Speaker 1: of these people do, he killed himself. So has another
Speaker 1: school shooting, and it got over well, you didn't hear
Speaker 1: about it yesterday because of the breaking news about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: But I do want to start with let me start
Speaker 1: with this. There's a White House reporter, Elena Tree is
Speaker 1: her name, and she brought up how this is the
Speaker 1: shooting of Charlie Kirk. The killing of Charlie Kirk is
Speaker 1: affecting the White House here she is.
Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't just political. For really the majority
Speaker 3: of the people in the President's in her circle, of
Speaker 3: those who sit near the Oval office in the West Wing,
Speaker 3: this is deeply personal. They all had very close relationships
Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk. He wasn't just someone you know that
Speaker 3: they welcomed in to the White House at times or
Speaker 3: helped him on the campaign trail. A lot of people
Speaker 3: here had very, very deep close relationships with him. Even
Speaker 3: the President, some of our sources are telling us, kind
Speaker 3: of viewed him like a family member. I'd pointed to
Speaker 3: some of the emotional posts we've now seen from high
Speaker 3: ranking people in kind of Trump's inner circle. You look
Speaker 3: at the Vice President JD. Vance. He shared a one
Speaker 3: thousand word eulogy really on x just before midnight at
Speaker 3: length describing his deep close relationship with Charlie Kirk and
Speaker 3: the history that those two men shared. We also saw
Speaker 3: another emotional post from Donald Trump Junior, the President's son,
Speaker 3: describing Kirk as someone who was like a brother to him.
Speaker 3: So again, this isn't just about the political nature of this.
Speaker 3: The people in this building behind me, and the people
Speaker 3: who were the closest to the president really viewed him
Speaker 3: within that small group of loyalists, someone who had a
Speaker 3: direct line to the president, someone they believed, even when
Speaker 3: they disagreed with, had the best interests of really the
Speaker 3: movement at hand. And so there's been a lot of shock,
Speaker 3: a lot of kind of disbelief in the building behind me.
Speaker 3: I know yesterday a lot of my sources, a lot
Speaker 3: of White House officials were watching the TVs kind of
Speaker 3: glued to the screen trying to get any sort of
Speaker 3: update on this. And then you know, we also did
Speaker 3: hear from the President. He shared a video on social
Speaker 3: media it's over four minutes honoring Charlie Kirk, but he
Speaker 3: also laid out potential next steps regarding how we could
Speaker 3: potentially see this White House and the broader Trump administration
Speaker 3: try to respond.
Speaker 1: So her point is clearer that it is much more
Speaker 1: than just another shooting. It is much more than a
Speaker 1: political event. This is personal for a lot of people
Speaker 1: at the White House and a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the media that knew Charlotte. Charlie Kirk was amazing. He
Speaker 1: really put together a very influential group in a very
Speaker 1: short period of time. And here's a little clip of
Speaker 1: him from just a couple of weeks ago talking about
Speaker 1: he had big plans for this thing to grow even bigger.
Speaker 4: What we have brought into the political space is that
Speaker 4: we have made conservatism not just cool again, not just
Speaker 4: attractive again, but it's appealing. People want to join it,
Speaker 4: they want to be part of it. And this is
Speaker 4: one of the major reasons why President Donald Trump was
Speaker 4: able to win the youth vote in Michigan. He was
Speaker 4: able to win the youth vote in Arizona, my home state.
Speaker 4: President Trump did what was unthinkable thirteen years ago. I mean,
Speaker 4: we've known each other for a while here, I mean
Speaker 4: to think a decade ago that a Republican running for
Speaker 4: the presidency would be winning the youth vote. It's just
Speaker 4: an incomprehensible concept. And so we here at Turning Point, USA.
Speaker 4: We're going to these college campuses. Our crowds are growing,
Speaker 4: our support is increasing, and the data and the statistics
Speaker 4: bear that out as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, the crowds were growing. He had somewhere around three
Speaker 1: thousand people at this university in Orum, Utah. So he
Speaker 1: I mean, he talks about how a president Trump was
Speaker 1: able to win a youth vote. A lot of it
Speaker 1: was because of what he did and how amazing it
Speaker 1: was that what he was able to accomplish in his
Speaker 1: short life. Former FBI Special Agent Stuart Kaplan was asked
Speaker 1: about the search for the killer.
Speaker 5: Law enforcement is quite frankly scrambling right now to work
Speaker 5: backwards and try to identify first how this person gained
Speaker 5: access onto that rooftop. But what they do know, and
Speaker 5: I think their biggest concern, is this was a targeted attack.
Speaker 6: The target was Charlie Kurt.
Speaker 5: This same individual had the opportunity to inflict other mass casualties,
Speaker 5: but this person chose to maintain his or her discipline,
Speaker 5: they got up, they took the shot, and then they
Speaker 5: got out of there. That indicates that there was a
Speaker 5: survey prior to yesterday with this individual had the lay
Speaker 5: of the land to understand how to get onto this
Speaker 5: rooftop and then had to very quietly escape undetected. At
Speaker 5: this point, that is a very difficult task for the
Speaker 5: FBI and other law enforcement partners to work through to
Speaker 5: try to get some indication of who this person may be. Well,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of information that I'm sure that the
Speaker 5: FBI has. For a way of example, we don't know
Speaker 5: whether or not the shooter left the weapon behind. We
Speaker 5: don't know whether or not a shellcasing the one bullet
Speaker 5: was discharged from the rifle. Was it a bolt action.
Speaker 5: If it was a bolt action, that means someone manually
Speaker 5: would have to discharge or reject that shellcasing. Did they
Speaker 5: collect the shellcasing? Have they sent it for fingerprint analysis
Speaker 5: or DNA analysis? Now that can be turned around in
Speaker 5: a very short period of time. That hasn't been disclosed
Speaker 5: to us with respect to the weapon, the shellcasing, And
Speaker 5: of course today you're going to see an attempt to
Speaker 5: try to locate the bullet itself. Because the bullet obviously
Speaker 5: went through Charlley Kurt, it has to end up impaled somewhere.
Speaker 5: They're going to try to locate that. They're going to
Speaker 5: try to work backwards. You're going to see them out
Speaker 5: on this venue with lasers to try to set up
Speaker 5: some sort of forensic trajectory to see exactly how this
Speaker 5: person was perched and try to then identify a profile.
Speaker 5: Was there any active threat against Charlie Kirk that quite
Speaker 5: frankly is not known to the public, and try to
Speaker 5: nail down if there were individuals that may be out
Speaker 5: there that they're aware of. When you take a look
Speaker 5: at the altitude or the elevation of the way Charlie
Speaker 5: Kirk was seated, he had a tent over him, and
Speaker 5: so when you back up let's say four hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty feet five hundred feet six hundred feet, that shot
Speaker 5: becomes more and more difficult because you're looking down at
Speaker 5: that target. That is why I believe it wasn't quote
Speaker 5: unquote a headshot. It was taken at the upper torso
Speaker 5: because the line of site only exposed Charlie Kurt's upper
Speaker 5: torso area or the neck area. I think if the
Speaker 5: tent wasn't concealing Charlie Kirk's head, quite frankly, you would
Speaker 5: have seen this as a headshot. There is a degree
Speaker 5: of expertise. There is no doubt in my mind this
Speaker 5: person is to some extent a professional. This was a
Speaker 5: professional hit by all accounts, especially by the fact that
Speaker 5: he had an opportunity to discharge that weapon multiple times randomly,
Speaker 5: but he chose to stay on target.
Speaker 1: So some more details I'll play for you here in
Speaker 1: just a minute came out today and I thought this
Speaker 1: was maybe a hit man because it was right at
Speaker 1: a kill spot, right in Charlie Kirk's neck, and it
Speaker 1: was so far away, at least two hundred yards away,
Speaker 1: and it was a high powered rifle turned out to
Speaker 1: be a thirty odd six. But out of all of this,
Speaker 1: it comes down to I'm thinking this must be a
Speaker 1: local person who would know. I mean, I heard Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk last weekend talk about the fact that he was
Speaker 1: starting his fall tour of various college campuses. He said
Speaker 1: this Wednesday, which was yesterday, and that he was going
Speaker 1: to be in Utah on Wednesday kicking off the fall tour.
Speaker 1: I think there's fifteen colleges he had on the plans
Speaker 1: for the tour during this fall season. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how could you go and find out where he
Speaker 1: was going to be and know how to get up
Speaker 1: on that building and know it Just seems like it's
Speaker 1: got to be somebody that was local and had an
Speaker 1: ax to grind with Charlie Kirk. I pulled a couple
Speaker 1: of clips from They had a news conference earlier today
Speaker 1: the Utah Commissioner of Public Safety and the Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City FBI Agent in charge. Here's a comments from the
Speaker 1: Utah public Safety guy.
Speaker 6: Through all that work last night, we were able to
Speaker 6: make a few breakthroughs. We were able to track the
Speaker 6: movements of the shooter starting at eleven fifty two am.
Speaker 6: This subject arrived on campus shortly away from campus. We
Speaker 6: have tracked his movements onto the campus through the stairwells
Speaker 6: up to the roof, across the roof to a shooting location.
Speaker 6: After the shooting, we were able to track his movements
Speaker 6: as he moved to the other side of the building,
Speaker 6: jumped off of the building, and fled off of the
Speaker 6: campus and into a neighborhood. Our investigators have worked through
Speaker 6: those neighborhoods, contacting anybody they can with doorbell cameras, witnesses,
Speaker 6: and have thoroughly worked through those communities trying to identify
Speaker 6: any leads. We do have good video footage of this individual.
Speaker 6: We are not going to release that at this time.
Speaker 6: We were working through some technologies and some ways to
Speaker 6: identify this individual. If we are unsuccessful, we will reach
Speaker 6: out to you as the media and we will push
Speaker 6: that publicly to help us identify them. But we were
Speaker 6: confident in our abilities right now, and we would like
Speaker 6: to move forward in a manner that keeps everyone safe
Speaker 6: and moves this process appropriately.
Speaker 1: Oh, it sounds like they have a lot more than
Speaker 1: I certainly thought. They've got video of the guy they
Speaker 1: know when he arrived twenty minutes before Charlie Kirk started,
Speaker 1: which also says something about he really knew about this
Speaker 1: this location in orm Utah. But they and they have
Speaker 1: today released a couple of photos of the guy somebody.
Speaker 1: This is where you know. They say they're going back
Speaker 1: and using AI and doing all this stuff to take
Speaker 1: his photo and run it through a zillion Facebook photos
Speaker 1: or whatever they use. And they came Obviously they didn't
Speaker 1: come up with anything. So this is a young guy
Speaker 1: that did the shooting, or is the one they suspected
Speaker 1: the shot and so he maybe doesn't have many photos
Speaker 1: out there and he probably doesn't have a wrap sheet
Speaker 1: that never been in prison. So all that's going to
Speaker 1: come up with nothing. So when they turned to the public,
Speaker 1: it is because they came up with nothing, and they're
Speaker 1: hoping somebody somewhere says, oh, I know who that is.
Speaker 1: Here's the other gentleman at the news conference today was
Speaker 1: the head of the Salt Lake City office of the FBI.
Speaker 7: This morning, I can tell you that we have recovered
Speaker 7: what we believe is the weapon that was used in
Speaker 7: yesterday's shooting. It is a high powered bolt action rifle.
Speaker 7: That rifle was recovered in a wooded area where the
Speaker 7: shooter had fled, So the FBI laboratory will be analyzing
Speaker 7: with this weapon. Investigators have also collected footwear impression, a
Speaker 7: palm print, and forearm imprints for analysis. How I understand
Speaker 7: there are a lot of questions about motive. I assure
Speaker 7: you that all leads, tips and tips are being fully investigated.
Speaker 7: As if this morning, we received more than one hundred
Speaker 7: and thirty tips. We think the community for that. The
Speaker 7: FBI has brought every resource to bear. Well, we will
Speaker 7: relentlessly pursue this case and the shooter until we find it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of a very short matter
Speaker 1: of time before they actually find this guy. But I
Speaker 1: mean they have photos of him, they have video of him.
Speaker 1: He has a hat on with sunglasses. But other than that,
Speaker 1: if you know him, you're gonna know that so and so.
Speaker 1: That's a question of whether his friends will turn him
Speaker 1: in people that know him. The other part behind this
Speaker 1: is they've got a palm print, they've got a forearm print,
Speaker 1: they've got footprints, they've got the rifle. It's just at
Speaker 1: this point it seems like it's just a very short
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if this guy was still
Speaker 1: on the loose here in another week. Now. It takes
Speaker 1: time sometimes. I mean, you look at the four college
Speaker 1: kids that were stabbed to death in Idaho. It took
Speaker 1: them five weeks before they found Brian Koberger and they
Speaker 1: had the DNA, so it still can take some time.
Speaker 1: And Luigi that shot and killed the United Healthcare executive
Speaker 1: here in New York City, he was on the lamb
Speaker 1: for five days, so it may take a little more time,
Speaker 1: but I would think that they are pretty close to
Speaker 1: wherever this guy is in hiding. We played just a
Speaker 1: little bit more of the two law enforcement officers took
Speaker 1: a couple of questions from the media. I'll plan for you.
Speaker 6: So we I'll release about the suspect. Is suspect blended
Speaker 6: in well with a college institution, and we're not releasing
Speaker 6: many detail right now, and then we will soon, but
Speaker 6: right now we're not. But that individual appears to be
Speaker 6: of college age. We are confident in our abilities to
Speaker 6: track that individual. If we're unsuccessful in identifying them immediately,
Speaker 6: we will reach out for the public's help and the
Speaker 6: media's help. And pushing those photos. That was a new
Speaker 6: development overnight, working through the night studying those cameras. So
Speaker 6: that's that's something that's new and that we're working true
Speaker 6: right now. As far as the security, I cannot speak
Speaker 6: to that. Neither the Department of Public Safety nor the
Speaker 6: Federal Bureau of Investigation was involved in the planning or
Speaker 6: security of this event, and that'll have to be a
Speaker 6: question later for other agencies.
Speaker 7: So that's a good question, and it's a question that
Speaker 7: goes to the safety of the community right, No, not
Speaker 7: in those woods. We've walked through through those woods and
Speaker 7: secured it. As to the community, I can tell you
Speaker 7: that this was a targeted event. We don't believe that
Speaker 7: the community.
Speaker 6: Is at risk.
Speaker 7: However, we are exhausting every resource to find him and
Speaker 7: we will be a song college age.
Speaker 6: Do you believe he was from this university?
Speaker 7: And how far do you think he may have gone?
Speaker 7: In miss heimesht So I can't comment specifically on his
Speaker 7: face or any details such as that as it's continuing
Speaker 7: to be a part of the investigation, and again we'll
Speaker 7: release that shortly. However, we're doing everything we can to
Speaker 7: find him and we're not sure how far he has
Speaker 7: gone yet.
Speaker 8: But will.
Speaker 1: This reminds me a lot about the hunt they had
Speaker 1: for Luigi Maggioni. Young guys, they don't have a rap sheet,
Speaker 1: they don't have a record, they're not in a lot
Speaker 1: of databases anywhere, so it's it may take a few
Speaker 1: days before they find out where he is. But the
Speaker 1: photo is out there. If you go online, you'll see
Speaker 1: the photo and if you know who he is, you'll
Speaker 1: recognize him immediately. I'm sure. Another former FBI agent, Robin
Speaker 1: Draekes talking about this case today.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a lot of good data that we're getting
Speaker 9: out of this. And at the early on set, people
Speaker 9: were thinking this was a professional hit, and professional had
Speaker 9: a different connotation to me. I thought it was a
Speaker 9: skilled shot. But professionals don't do this, and so luckily
Speaker 9: he's made a lot of missteps and as indicated in
Speaker 9: this press conference, he left a data trail of evidence that.
Speaker 6: They're able to zero in on Hi pretty quickly.
Speaker 9: I think, yeah, so professionals, if this individual was actually
Speaker 9: truly trying to just kill Charlie Kirk, this is not
Speaker 9: the way to do it because this is in a
Speaker 9: public venue, leaving a lot of footprints on the ground,
Speaker 9: leaving a weapon in the woods, not having a clear
Speaker 9: escape plan, which people thought he did, And so that's
Speaker 9: not a professional level, like at the higher levels that
Speaker 9: you're kind of thinking, like in the movies, this is
Speaker 9: a skilled shot, but an unskilled individual at being an assassin.
Speaker 9: There's two things here. One, you have the videos of
Speaker 9: the individual that they can backtrack and do a match
Speaker 9: on and see those egress and ingress points. That's whereas
Speaker 9: more people with videos of him to see if you
Speaker 9: can track him to a car license plate and also
Speaker 9: start doing triangulation, which is going to take a little
Speaker 9: time of cell phone data. The other thing with the
Speaker 9: weapon that they have, the likelihood of them having DNA
Speaker 9: is very very high. Let's just look at the Coburger case.
Speaker 9: They are able to use trace DNA to actually do
Speaker 9: a genealogy search. It takes a little bit of time,
Speaker 9: but this is with family members that didn't even put
Speaker 9: themselves into the genealogy system. So I think they're coming
Speaker 9: at it from two angles and be coming at from
Speaker 9: the technology of looking cell phone tracking data for this
Speaker 9: area that something's going to stand out, so they can
Speaker 9: rule out people that actually live in that area. Since
Speaker 9: you've flewed into the woods, possibly vehicle traffic as well
Speaker 9: as DNA traffic. And so what they're looking for is
Speaker 9: they're going to have it, they just don't have it
Speaker 9: quite yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all very g whizz technology that they're going
Speaker 1: to be using, but it does take I mean, genealogy
Speaker 1: DNA is going to take a few days at the
Speaker 1: very least, maybe a week or two. And as far
Speaker 1: as if they have a palm print and a footprint
Speaker 1: and a forearm print, I would imagine that he left
Speaker 1: some DNA. So as a young guy, maybe he's not
Speaker 1: all that smart. I mean, the one thing about Brian Kolberger,
Speaker 1: he had a master's degree in criminology, so he studied
Speaker 1: all this way, the ways in which law enforcement can
Speaker 1: find people. But this guy, well, we'll find out. But
Speaker 1: I got the feeling that he's made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: But they're going to it's going to take a few
Speaker 1: days to do the do the technical investigation before they
Speaker 1: can come up with a name. Trey Goudi, former prosecutor,
Speaker 1: also observations from him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think the police did the right thing.
Speaker 8: They give no information that jeopardized the ultimate goal, which
Speaker 8: is a conviction. I mean, you have to make the arrest,
Speaker 8: but the ultimate goal is for this person to be convicted.
Speaker 8: So you got to be careful what you release. What
Speaker 8: the police essentially want is give us all the video
Speaker 8: you may have, give us any tip, any tip that
Speaker 8: you may have. I think they images of the suspect
Speaker 8: are not the same as images of the face of
Speaker 8: the suspect, and prints are only good if you have
Speaker 8: someone to compare them or match them with. I think
Speaker 8: they are going to apprehend the killer. But the goal
Speaker 8: again is to get a conviction. It is not simply
Speaker 8: to generate a headline or have a good press conference.
Speaker 8: This ends in front of a jury or with a
Speaker 8: guilty plead. The only other thing I would add is
Speaker 8: as painful as it is, people have to watch the
Speaker 8: video from yesterday, and while they're watching it, and they're
Speaker 8: going to want to turn their heads away. But you
Speaker 8: need to imagine this as a husband and a father
Speaker 8: and a friend, not someone politically that you may happen
Speaker 8: to disagree with. This video is so jarring to watch.
Speaker 8: The problem is it really happened, and it happened in
Speaker 8: the greatest country in the world, and so we got
Speaker 8: to have a conversation about how much of this we're
Speaker 8: willing to put up with. So watch what happened to him.
Speaker 8: He is killed in an instant, and an instant from
Speaker 8: two hundred yards for what reason, because you happened to
Speaker 8: disagree with his political belief Make yourself watch it and
Speaker 8: realize this is a husband and a father, not just
Speaker 8: some political person with whom you may happen to disagree.
Speaker 1: It brings up the topic about do you watch the video?
Speaker 1: It's out there it's very violent, very violent. But what
Speaker 1: Trey's trying to make the point of and it's ironic
Speaker 1: that it is today nine to eleven, they stop showing
Speaker 1: the airplanes flying into the buildings except for today, just today,
Speaker 1: you can see the old videos of the planes flying
Speaker 1: into the World Trade Center, And no we don't have video,
Speaker 1: Shanks film and the Pentagon was a blur of just
Speaker 1: an explosion. But the point is is that the networks
Speaker 1: have decided that it's too sensitive to show the planes
Speaker 1: flying into the buildings. There's another whole group out there
Speaker 1: to which I belong, which says you have to know
Speaker 1: about the evil that people are willing to do and
Speaker 1: how far they're willing to go. One of the one
Speaker 1: of the murders that you have seen the details in
Speaker 1: over and over, in granular detail, is the Zabruder film
Speaker 1: of showing John F. Kennedy getting shot in the motorcade
Speaker 1: in Dallas. They have how many times have you seen
Speaker 1: that where they they show the frame by frame and
Speaker 1: the bullet hits his head in capow. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's that shocking to people. The president of the
Speaker 1: United States was killed, and yet this is also in
Speaker 1: a different way. It is violent because it shows the bullet,
Speaker 1: it shows that the hit on Charlie, and it's just gruesome.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know. I get what Trey
Speaker 1: wants you to come away with is you need to
Speaker 1: see how demented people are to take somebody else's life
Speaker 1: over some political disagreement. Karl Rove gets into this as well.
Speaker 2: I was taken by the expressions, let's think about it.
Speaker 2: This young man was a conservative and Republican, and every
Speaker 2: living president, Democrat and Republican spoke with with with a
Speaker 2: sorrow about his death. I was taken by Recently, he
Speaker 2: appeared on a podcast with Gavin Newsom talking about two
Speaker 2: different people with different views and yet they found a
Speaker 2: common forum in which they could exchange their ideas. And
Speaker 2: I was taken by Governor Newsom's comments after the assassination.
Speaker 2: Same with the leadership of Hakim Jeffries in the House
Speaker 2: and Chuck Schumer in the Senate. The President of the
Speaker 2: United States loved Charlie Kirk and Charlie Cook loved Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump can express that love by being the
Speaker 2: person in this moment who can draw us together in
Speaker 2: sorrow and in grief. Over the death of this young man.
Speaker 2: This is a moment I think you're absolutely right, where
Speaker 2: as a country we could come together where it is
Speaker 2: a remarkable story. You're right, starts at nineteen says I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go to college because I want to
Speaker 2: start a movement. I love my country, I love its constitution.
Speaker 2: I believe in the freedom and the liberty that was
Speaker 2: promised to us under the Declaration. And I want to
Speaker 2: energize my fellow young Americahricans to protect that dream. And
Speaker 2: in thirteen short years he rose like a rocket. And
Speaker 2: what was most interesting was his willingness to engage. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was like, prove me wrong. He said, come, come, come,
Speaker 2: and let's talk on a college campus, not exactly a
Speaker 2: home territory, if you will, for conservatives, come and let's
Speaker 2: engage in a dialogue. Let's debate. And this belief in
Speaker 2: the essence of American democracy was probably one of the
Speaker 2: most remarkable things about him. And yeah, you're right. He
Speaker 2: had a brilliant life ahead of him. He had a bright,
Speaker 2: shining period of thirteen short years in which he made
Speaker 2: a big difference on behalf of the things he believed in.
Speaker 2: And his death is a sad commentary on the wave
Speaker 2: of violence that we are that we are experiencing as
Speaker 2: a country. He was killed in June. We saw a
Speaker 2: Democrat state representative in Minnesota and her husband killed. In May,
Speaker 2: two young Israeli staffers walking down a street in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. In April, the governor of Pennsylvania's family, it
Speaker 2: wakes up to realize their house has been set afire,
Speaker 2: and not too not many blocks away from two or
Speaker 2: three blocks away from where you're sitting. In New York
Speaker 2: last year, the CEO of the United Healthcare was killed.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the former president of the United States and
Speaker 2: candidate again for the presidency, is the subject of two
Speaker 2: assassination attempts, one which the entire country saw in that
Speaker 2: terrible moment in Butler, Pennsylvania. And you go back in
Speaker 2: recent years, the attack on Paul Pelosi, the attack on
Speaker 2: the US Capitol, the gunman who attempted to kill Republican
Speaker 2: members practicing for the congressional baseball game. I mean, in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, Congressman Scalise, Steve Scalise nearly died. And what
Speaker 2: is wrong with our country that people think that a
Speaker 2: resolution to violence is either their way to gain notoriety
Speaker 2: and a social media culture, or to somehow, you know,
Speaker 2: achieve a political goal by killing a political enemy. And
Speaker 2: the death of this young man, the new father, two
Speaker 2: young children. It's just a terrible moment in our nation.
Speaker 2: And I hope it shocks us into realizing that we're
Speaker 2: all Americans and that we are worthy of discussion and
Speaker 2: debate and disagreement if need be. But we're all Americans,
Speaker 2: and this is not what our country should be, should
Speaker 2: should have to experience.
Speaker 1: I think about this sometimes about because I've been on
Speaker 1: this planet long enough to remember the sixties, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people have been saying, and I have too
Speaker 1: in the past, all the sixties were much worse than
Speaker 1: what we have today. But I don't know, we're starting
Speaker 1: to close in. I mean, the sixties started off with
Speaker 1: the killing of John F. Kennedy, our president, and then
Speaker 1: we had the killing of Martin Luther King Jr. We
Speaker 1: had the assassination of Bobby Kennedy. Throw into the middle
Speaker 1: of the sixties, you've got a very unpopular war, the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, So you've got protests in the streets, tons
Speaker 1: of protesting in the streets, and in the mid sixties,
Speaker 1: you had you broke had in major cities around the
Speaker 1: country race riots over to the civil rights movement, and
Speaker 1: so it was. It was turbulent and deadly, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people died, including a lot of high level
Speaker 1: politicians in the sixties. But here we are, and you've
Speaker 1: heard carl going through some of them. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got the president twice as somebody tried to assassinate him,
Speaker 1: and the fact that that bullet came literally touched his
Speaker 1: ear was maybe, I mean just an inch further away
Speaker 1: from where Charlie Kirk was at. But you got a
Speaker 1: Ryan Thompson, the United Healthcare executive, was shot, the Jewish
Speaker 1: Museum couple that was out for the evening, or shot
Speaker 1: on the streets of Washington, Paul Pelosi. You've got Governor
Speaker 1: Shapiro whose family is sound asleep and somebody sets the
Speaker 1: house on fire trying to kill him. You got the
Speaker 1: legislator and her husband in Minnesota that were killed. So
Speaker 1: we do have a lot of violence. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're just in a recurring wave of violence
Speaker 1: like we were in the sixties, but it's clearly growing again.
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. So listen, I want to
Speaker 1: break this into two podcasts today because today is the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a part two where we look back on
Speaker 1: nine to eleven of two thousand and one, and I'll
Speaker 1: do that in a separate podcast here and post it
Speaker 1: right after we post this one. We did have some
Speaker 1: big economic news today. The consumer price index inflation at
Speaker 1: your pocket book pocketbook level in mind two point nine percent.
Speaker 1: That is higher than it was last month. First time
Speaker 1: jobless claims jumped to the highest we've seen in years,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty three thousand first time job was
Speaker 1: claims last week. So this is pointing two messages, absolutely,
Speaker 1: two messages about whether or not. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: the Fed and you see inflation starting to get higher
Speaker 1: and higher, you'll want to raise interest rates, not lower them,
Speaker 1: to try to cool the economy off. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, they're very worried after getting the benchmark revision
Speaker 1: on jobs nine hundred and eleven thousand jobs overstated, and
Speaker 1: so they see a labor market this week, they see
Speaker 1: inflation that's growing. So we'll see what the Fed does
Speaker 1: when they meet next Tuesday and Wednesday. We find out
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Meantime, the market was enthused about all of this,
Speaker 1: the Dow new record up six hundred and seventeen to
Speaker 1: close a forty six thousand and one oh eight, the
Speaker 1: S and P up fifty five, the Nasdaq up one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven. Price of gold fell eight bucks
Speaker 1: down to thirty six seventy three, and oil down a
Speaker 1: buck and a half sixty two dollars for a barrel
Speaker 1: of oil today, Thank you for coming by. Part two,
Speaker 1: basically focusing on the anniversary of nine to eleven, is
Speaker 1: also up on the boards there today. Thank you for
Speaker 1: coming by today, and we'll see you again, hopefully tomorrow,