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I would love to hear from you. I am so

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excited that today I am interviewing Jennifer Golardi. Jennifer has

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written for The Federalist for quite some time now and

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now she is a senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

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But she has had quite a story and she tells

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it all here on the Kylie Cast. From being a

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member of a yoga cult to becoming a Christian, from

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being a radical feminist in Los Angeles to being a

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conservative woman who advocates for policies that make America healthy.

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Jennifer has done it all, and she's here to tell

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us all about it. You will not want to miss it. Jennifer,

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thanks so much for joining me on the Kylie Cast today.

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Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to

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talk to you back at you. Yes, it's so great

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to actually see your face. We've talked so much over

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email and some over the phone, so it's just great

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to actually see your face. I have been so curious

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to talk to you more about your story ever since

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I read the very first piece that you wrote for

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us at The Federalist. It's called Hell Hath No Fury?

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Like a single Liberal Woman? And I remember the first

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time I read it and I just knew, I'm like

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this girl. You have such a great story to tell,

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and I knew I wanted to dive deeper into it.

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So now is finally the time, years later, and I'm

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so excited. So everybody should go read that article, by

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the way, but can you just start us off by

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giving us a bit of your background, like where did

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you grow up, grow up, what were your biggest influences,

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How did you turn into the person that you were

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maybe a decade ago?

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I will try to give the short version of that story.

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I grew up in Joe Biden Territory near Scranton, Pennsylvania.

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My grandfather was a coal miner. I often say that

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Joe Biden wouldn't know blue collar if it came up

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and smacked him in the face. He was there, I

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think maybe until his you know, first decade of life,

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and then.

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Speaker 3: Moved to Delaware, but he often used that as.

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Speaker 4: Kind of his I'm a man of the people, right,

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So it's either that or the office is how people

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know Scranton. But it's where I grew up, and it's

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what I where I called home for the first eighteen

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years of my life. I grew up in a somewhat

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not somewhat a very conservative family, but I didn't know why.

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Speaker 3: I never had like a rationale for the.

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Speaker 4: Conservative upbringing I had, and I was always that annoying

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child that wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Know why but why, but why but why?

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Speaker 4: And fairly just kind of middle class, run of the

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mill public education, good American kind of upbringing. I was

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a dancer, I was a tennis player. I was always active,

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very into sports, very athletic. My dad was a football

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player at penn State, so I always say I'm the

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son he always wanted. I kind of got the athletic genes,

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which I would later transform into a career. But very

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you know, kind of a normal childhood. Spent summers on

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lakes and Pennsylvania with my family, but it was conservative

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and I didn't have the underpinning of faith to understand,

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you know why. I was kind of being raised pretty

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strictly and with boundaries, and I think, like a lot

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of kids, you rebel against anything your parents teach you.

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didn't have good answers to why I was being punished

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Jennifer go out this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Know she's grounded. But you know, I did very well

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Speaker 4: I excelled, you know, I was kind of a master,

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Speaker 3: Meant for something bigger than Scranton and Lo and Behold.

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Speaker 4: I went to a very small conservative school in the

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more kind of conservatism there and got a great education,

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an amazing education. Took a class with CBS icon Roger Mudd.

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first job I got out of college, was in Birmingham, Alabama.

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Speaker 4: I think eventually my free spirit broke loose and said,

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Speaker 3: I have enough of this.

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Speaker 4: So two years after Birmingham, after my job there, I

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just picked up. I moved to California in nineteen ninety eight,

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and like many people that moved to California, I think

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Speaker 3: I wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Know what life was like outside the boundaries of this

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very strict upbringing I had and these very conservative principles.

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to whatever will get you accepted into circles. Kind of

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start believing in things, and you don't ask why. You

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just think you're being a good person, you know when

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of the left is to tell people, well, you're a

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good person if you believe in this, and particularly.

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Speaker 3: Women want to feel accepted. Was in my twenties. There

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was a lot of social pressures.

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Speaker 4: I got back involved into dance and which kind of

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Speaker 4: Certain way, so body image things came up, and I

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wanted to be accepted and loved and all these things.

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led me down that progressive path. And then you have

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kind of feminist ideology. You're a boss bitch and you're.

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Speaker 3: Going to be you know, you can make it on

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your own and all.

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Speaker 4: These kinds of things, and I thought I had to

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achieve a certain amount of success before I was even.

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Speaker 4: So there's all those things that happen in California that

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Speaker 3: There's all the tropes of the starlet.

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Speaker 4: I got into acting classes, I waited tables, you know,

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much to my father's chagrin, I was doing all these

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odd jobs without really a sense of stability, and then

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Speaker 3: But even then I wasn't you know.

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Speaker 4: A lot of it was job to job, a lot

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like the acting industry, I had the stability of teaching classes,

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but no one goes into teaching fitness for the money

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unless you know you could be anomaly like a Gillian

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Michaels or a Bob Harper and a loser and become

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something bigger than just an instructor. But auditioned for all

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of those shows, I mean, it was kind of commonplace

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that they were looking for people. I think the reason

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I never made it on those shows is because I'd

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never really liked the drama. I never wanted to magnify

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my personality into something some exaggerated thing that it wasn't.

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but I just didn't want to be seen in that.

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I wouldn't ham it up just for the camera. I'm

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too practical for that. So all of those things, you know,

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kind of happened out in California. I had the Futures

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female stickers on my computer.

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Speaker 3: Trying to thank you. You know what are some of

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the other tropes that you associate with with kind of

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that feminist perspective.

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Speaker 4: Dated a lot, but never really had a long term boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Was really just my career, the boss babe career, you know,

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the abortion type culture, the feminist you know, we don't

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need no man type thing. I would associate all of

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that with that. It's also so interesting to me that

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you talk about, you know, growing up in Scranton and

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wanting to know why, why, why for these conservative values.

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to California and you don't really ask why. You just

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kind of are doing these things, and you're surrounded in

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this culture where this is just normal, and you just

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kind of the drift just takes you because there is

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no no asking why we're doing this. And I wonder,

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what it looks like to be a good person, or like,

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where did that why impulse go for that stage of

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Speaker 4: You know, it is kind of I remember guys would

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say to me, like, oh, you're really smart. I'm like really,

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my brain. I wasn't doing things necessarily. You know, even

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in fitness, I did always seek out, like continuing educations.

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I was always a learner in that way. I always

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wanted to expand. But I wasn't doing any really philosophical

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deep thinking. I wasn't getting to have the conversations. They

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say you become like the five closest people you hang

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wasn't hanging around with the Jordan Peterson's of the world,

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you know, or the deep thinkers of the world and

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questioning these things. I was just kind of going along

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to get along. And I was adapting to the culture

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I was in, and it is vapid. It is an

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extremely vapid culture.

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Speaker 2: I didn't take.

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Speaker 3: More concerned about the slogans than I did.

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Speaker 1: The why yes, and was it completely monolithic in your

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Speaker 4: Actually, one of my very first friends and remains my

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Speaker 3: Had I been in.

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Speaker 4: Different circles, there was probably like the Kai cocaine days.

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't. I never saw that, but I

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Speaker 4: I mean, Trump really changed things in twenty sixteen. It

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really leans the landscape I think of everything. So I

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would I would buy into these ideas without knowing I

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was being political, right.

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Speaker 2: I didn't vote.

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Speaker 4: I certainly didn't vote. I didn't I wasn't involved in

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kind of politics. I was obsessed with getting the next

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job or being you know, Shakira's tour, being in a

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music video or whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: In addition to teaching. I mean I definitely hustled.

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Speaker 4: I definitely worked really hard to make ends meet, But

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it wasn't overtly political.

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a lifestyle or a mindset shift.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly you nailed it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't protesting, and even in my like

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most progressive kind of thinking, it never occurred to me

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to go out into the streets and to go to

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a BLM and like that kind of woke me up.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is ridiculous. What are you going to accomplish?

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big wake up call for me as to what was

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I'm like. And by the time COVID hit, I had

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spent about eight years very deep into I do call

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it a yoga cult. Now there's various definitions of cult,

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say what you will, but I do think it was

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this monolithic thinking with a guy at the center of

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it that we all followed around. I mean, I did

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trips to India. I went down the psychedelic route for

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a little bit. I mean I went I was down

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deep in that kind of vague spirituality and again, to

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bring it back to the seeking, I was always seeking God,

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and I just kind of took every detour to find

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God except for Christ. And eventually I did find Christ

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right around the time of Covidkay.

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Speaker 3: COVID was a huge catalyst for me.

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Speaker 4: First just the practical because I'm looking around having been

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someone who were in the health and wellness fields for

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decades by this time, two decades at least, and I'm

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going it really exposed people because all the people that

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talked about alternative health and we never go to the

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doctor when we go see the chiropractor and the rist

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and we do our raveda and we talk about all

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these natural healing things.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden we're like, get a shot.

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Speaker 1: You're a grandma killing yes, yes, So is that what

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really opened your eyes to this movement? I mean, was

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it just the mindlessness of it, just the following blindly

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or yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a second, what are people? What

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do you actually believe?

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Speaker 4: You've said this for years, and now when the rubber

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meets the road, it's gone.

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Speaker 3: All you talk.

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Speaker 4: About inner light and peace and something beyond the material world.

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All of a sudden you are freaking out because you

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don't think are going to get toilet paper like that.

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was like, you're rushing to get toilet paper, like, this

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is not a disease that affects.

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Speaker 3: Your bowel movements. I don't understand what's going Like.

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Speaker 1: What a crazy time. It's still wild to me that

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we lived through that. What a just people lost their

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ever loving minds.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly the phrase, you lost your ever loving minds.

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Speaker 4: You would be like jumping to the others. I lived

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into Pega Canyon, which is like the hippiest of hippie

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kind of commune places you can live, and people were.

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Speaker 3: Were locking their door. I was like, you can go

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out for a hike.

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Speaker 4: This is where right around where the surfer was was

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arrested for surfing, was right, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the one of the many reasons

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why I ended up leaving DC was during COVID. I

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went out for a run and people on a run

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would cross the street. They're wearing a mask. They would

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cross the street to stay you know, streets distance away

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from you rather than you're in the wide open air.

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I mean the sidewalks are wide there. It's not like

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you're on a mini you know, town sidewalk. This is

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DC sidewalks, and they would cross the streets so as

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not to be within, you know, ten feet of you

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as they're wearing a mask outside.

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Speaker 2: Like the psychosis was crazy. It was deep.

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Speaker 3: And I had a friend.

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Speaker 4: Who had actually been in a very serious cult, Like

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it's a crazy story.

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Speaker 3: I've done a podcast with him. You can go and

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listen to it.

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Speaker 4: But we kind of it's not that we reconnected, but

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we started connecting a lot more during COVID and we

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both am like and me having just kind of started

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to come out of this like yoga cult, I'm like,

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this is a cult. I know, cult behavior. This is

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the cult of public safety. This is the cult of

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public health.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 4: That kind of I started going down the rabbit hole.

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Like I said, I lived into Panga Canyon. I did

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go on very long walks through the canyon wherever I could,

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some of it which has burned down since the Palisades,

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because that was in Rustic Canyon.

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Speaker 3: It was so beautiful.

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Speaker 4: But I took these long, long walks and listened to

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a lot of Jordan Peterson and a lot of Joe Rogan,

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and I realized my life had become very narcissistic, and

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it had become very isolated from the real world.

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Speaker 3: I had isolated myself from my family. I had I

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you know, was cruel to my family in some ways.

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Speaker 4: And and this is I do say one of the

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tactics of the left, whether people know it or not.

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And we see this when kids go to university, is

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they try to disconnect you from your family, from any

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sense of the past that you belonged to your heritage.

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these kids, is like, oh, my parents like traumatize me emotions,

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you know, and right, like join the club, yeah, money, right, right.

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Speaker 5: If you want to be wealthy, you have to have

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Speaker 1: Stella Moribido wrote a book about it, and she called

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it the weaponization of loneliness, and I think that's a

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great way, great way to term what the left does.

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There's so many threads here I want to pull out.

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I want to come back to the yoga cult thing

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because I would love to hear more about your faith

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in general and how that has completely transformed away from

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yoga cult to christ. I'd love to hear more about

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how you say again.

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Speaker 3: That's a good title from the book for a book.

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Speaker 2: I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know what your next book is. Yeah,

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that's great, Okay, I would love to talk. I also

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want to get into therapy stuff because I would love

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to pick your brain about that. But I'm curious how

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did your parents respond to your foray and to liberal

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feminist politics into you moving to California? Like, what did

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that fracturing look like?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I never really talked to them about it as it

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was happening, but talking to my mother about it in

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particular looking back, I mean it hurt her.

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Speaker 3: It was hard for her to what she said. It

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was hard for me to watch but you were sorry.

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You know, you were out in California. What was I

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going to do? You know, you had to make your

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own choices.

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Speaker 4: And I guess she trusted the way she raised me,

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with the values that she did, would would keep me tethered.

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Speaker 3: And they did. You know, eventually, I understand it.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had a better understanding or maybe a

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better relationship with her to understand why she did the

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things she did or why she tried to teach me

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the things she did. But it was hard for her

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and that's still kind of heartbreaking for me.

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Speaker 1: And I do think your story gives a lot of

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hope to parents who are maybe currently walking through having

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a child who you know, is seemingly disregarding the things

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that they the values that have been instilled in them.

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Just to say, you know, stories are long and going

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your own path and there's a lot, there's a lot

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of redemption that's possible, even if you are on a

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different path for a time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think I can be really encouraging too to people, and.

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Speaker 4: I do talk to I have talked to a lot

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of parents who have heard my story and they say

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that gives me hope. I feel like I've lost my

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child to this progressive ideology. The unfortunate part is now,

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at least what I was growing up, it wasn't It

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wasn't fed to me in college. It wasn't fed to

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me as a pseudo education. It wasn't fed to me,

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you know what I mean. There wasn't that indoctrination. From

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a very early age. I kind of rebelled, which is

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normal for a child to kind of rebel against their

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parents and what they've been taught in some way. But

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it wasn't it wasn't fed to me in college. You know,

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I had a great liberal arts, strong liberal arts.

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Speaker 3: Education.

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Speaker 4: Washington and Lee is one of the best institutions in

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the country. Even that they have fallen a little bit

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to the to the to the pressure to change the

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name of the institution Washington and Lee, but they've they've.

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Speaker 3: Maintained it, so that's good.

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, you know, I think my mom was

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very happy when I kind of came back.

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Speaker 3: Around, and she feels like she has her daughter back

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a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I'm just more sane I was,

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and I struggled with depression, like you said, it was.

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They take advantage of this epidemical loniness. And this isn't

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the first time I'm probably you or your audience has

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heard this, but LA can be very lonely. You got

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a lot of people out there, You've got a lot

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of so called friends, but it can be a very

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lonely place to be because everything does feel very phony

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and transactional, and so you you particularly, I think young

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women do fall very easily into these, uh, these kind

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of cults of yoga, right, this spirituality, the sense of

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looking for something outside of themselves to make sense of

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the world. So I think the intentions are good.

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Speaker 3: I think the speaking is good.

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Speaker 4: I just think some of these paths can lead to

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very dangerous places if they're not used judiciously.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about therapy a little bit, and you

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talk in that piece that I referenced earlier about like

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the Dangers of life coaches, Can you talk about that

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whole culture and maybe ways that you were swept into

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it and how that influenced your thinking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's the seeking.

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Speaker 4: It's again seeking forever a solution outside of yourself or

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somebody else's grow. And what I started to notice is,

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like all the people you are looking at advice from

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are not like where you want to be giving me

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a relationship advice, and you're not in a stable marriage

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with a family. You're some single woman that's an influencer

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on Instagram or selling essential oils right like on your

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third marriage and moving to Santa fe like this is

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this is like you look to people that actually don't

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have real life experience, right, they sound good and they

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sound like they know what they're talking about. And I think, again,

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everybody's path is different. You learn from all of these mistakes.

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I certainly did, and I learned to rely not on myself,

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but really to rely on Christ, and to let Christ

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tell me who I who I was and who I

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was not. And when I when I found that identity,

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that my identity was not in these other things, that

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my my true identity resided in Christ, it just turned

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my whole life life around. I didn't care what other

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people thought about me. I relentlessly wanted to know the truth.

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00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:11,079
I relentlessly pursued what was good for me as opposed

480
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,279
to what I wanted or what I thought I wanted.

481
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:15,920
I thought it was going to be like some big.

482
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: La like host on like entertainment. You know, I thought

483
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,720
it was going to be like a hot thing.

484
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,799
Speaker 4: And when I started to kind of listen to more

485
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359
Christ centered teachings as opposed to kind of the self centeredism.

486
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,880
I don't know if you're familiar with Abraham Hicks and

487
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:42,640
this whole it's she speaks as if she's channeling like

488
00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:46,880
God or this, you know, and it's interesting and I'm

489
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,880
trying to it's like the manifestation that it's all the truth.

490
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480
It's the self manifestation, right, just change your thoughts and

491
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,480
change your way you think things will come to you

492
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,279
if you believe it, it will happen if you put

493
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,519
on it vision board and you were.

494
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,759
Speaker 1: Just kind of speak it into existence. It's a very

495
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,799
god complex way of thinking because that's what God does.

496
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,480
That's not what we do. But yeah, that's yeah.

497
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,759
Speaker 4: God is the Word, and you know he spoke, He

498
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,799
spoke the world into existence. But correct it is. It

499
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,599
is very and it's very self centered. If I can

500
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,960
just change my thinking, and you know, it's almost like

501
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,319
fake it till you make it, it's just never happens.

502
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,799
And so once I felt like I was more aligned

503
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,079
with what God was actually asking of me than what

504
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,640
I wanted things kind of fell into place, and I

505
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,640
still can't believe that I am, like speaking with you

506
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,200
here today.

507
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,079
Speaker 3: This is not where I expected my life to go.

508
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,319
Speaker 4: I still have, you know, my moments of looking back

509
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,680
on my life and realizing it was actually really great

510
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,640
and fun. But for my own mental blocks, I couldn't

511
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,240
see it. I didn't appreciate what I had when I

512
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,559
had it, the life I had, and how how amazing

513
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,519
it's been. And I do look back and I see

514
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,240
Christ was in every one of those moments, moments probably

515
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:05,200
saving me a lot of the times from situations where

516
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,319
other people would have gone down a really dark hole.

517
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,519
He kind of pulled me out of it without me knowing,

518
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,640
particularly when I was doing some of the psychedelic stuff,

519
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,720
because that's some dark, dark stuff.

520
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.

521
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: I think that the idea was that I just kept

522
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,960
seeking and my kind of Christ moment, I mean, it

523
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,119
was a very particular moment that happened when I was

524
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,920
in meditation. So I actually did learn a very positive

525
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,680
skill through all the yogas.

526
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: I could sit and be quiet for an hour or two.

527
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,119
I didn't have to be doing.

528
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,559
Speaker 4: Something I could, you know now, I call it praying

529
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,960
and contemplation.

530
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,559
Speaker 3: But meditation is fine to me. I don't mind that word.

531
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 4: I think it's good to meditate on life as long

532
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,319
as you're meditating on the right things.

533
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: And I was meditating and.

534
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: Just Christ, it was it's like clear as days, like

535
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
you're speaking to me. I heard Christ say to me,

536
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:05,160
welcome home, and I just was there was a literal

537
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,200
physical weight that lifted off my shoulders in that moment.

538
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,759
Speaker 1: Wow, was it something where I mean, did you already

539
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,720
know the gospel at that point or did you need

540
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,599
to basically start learning all of that after that moment?

541
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,039
Speaker 4: I mean I had heard kind of the basic stories

542
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,799
of the gospel, you know, but I did not know

543
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,079
it at all. Again, God brought people into my life.

544
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,799
One of them was my Catholic friend that I had

545
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:32,519
known from la.

546
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: I was having a.

547
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: Challenging moment actually with my mother, and I called my

548
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,960
friend and I said, I don't know what to do,

549
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,000
and she said, give it, give it to Christ, Give

550
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,680
it to Christ. And you know, I think, again, you

551
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,440
hear this all the time. People will hear when they're

552
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,960
ready to hear he who has ears on them here.

553
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:54,359
You know, you have to be ready for these things

554
00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:00,839
and that same day I turned on The Chosen, Okay.

555
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,079
Speaker 3: The same day that she had been giving me that.

556
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,880
And this was May of twenty twenty, I think, so.

557
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one. It's all a blur now, No, I

558
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,799
think it was twenty twenty. I'd gone to my mother's

559
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,079
to help her with the procedure she had done, and

560
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,160
you know, we were having our struggles, we were having

561
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,039
our mother daughter's struggles, and I called Molly.

562
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: She said, give it to Christ.

563
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: And then somehow I was at home and I turned

564
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,319
on The Chosen in that first episode where Mary where

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,119
he comes to Mary Magdalene and he I think, he says,

566
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240
you're mine. I just it felt like someone drew a

567
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,960
knife out of my heart. And so the Christ moment

568
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640
I was telling you about meditation happened several months after that.

569
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: But that moment of watching.

570
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,039
Speaker 4: The Chosen and having my friend tell me to give

571
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,359
it to Christ, that's when I became christ curious. I

572
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,319
call it Christ's curious. And then God actually brought another

573
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,160
man into my life that was very faithful, that was

574
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,960
also working kind of this very hippie dippy liberal company,

575
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:08,240
but a Christian, and we would have these long talks

576
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:12,200
at night, and he would, you know, introduce me to

577
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,799
the Gospel.

578
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: And then I think I started listening to the hallow

579
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:19,400
app okay, and again it's just.

580
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,119
Speaker 4: These kind of these breadcrumbs of moments. And then eventually,

581
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,079
I think when I was open to hearing Christ come

582
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:29,880
to me, he came. And the interesting thing about this

583
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,680
all is that I was actually baptized Greek Orthodox okay,

584
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,640
was baptized when I was six months old, and I

585
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,240
just but I wasn't raised with religion. My mom didn't

586
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,359
take me to church. My dad didn't take me to church,

587
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,319
so we were culturally I was, like I said, I

588
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:50,799
was culturally Greek and Italian without the religiosity of it.

589
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,759
So we did kind of the holiday traditions, but I

590
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:58,359
maybe went to midnight Mass for Pasca, which is Greek Easter.

591
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,799
My grandmother was very very Greek. And but you know,

592
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,640
it wasn't the foundation. So back to the kind of

593
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960
conservatism without the understanding why.

594
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,519
Speaker 3: Without the foundation of it made.

595
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,519
Speaker 4: Me question and I wonder if I had had that

596
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,119
teaching as a young child of Christianity, if I wouldn't

597
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,440
have been so curious about the other side, right, and

598
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,119
it against it. But again God put me in the

599
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,359
moments he put me in so and I actually now

600
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,200
really appreciate it because it actually I'm not very good

601
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,880
at doing what I'm told, Like if you tell me

602
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,599
to do something, I will actually do the opposite sometimes,

603
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,759
you know, I don't. I'm not a very good, do

604
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,720
what you're told type of person. And so I think

605
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,519
God knew what I needed, which was to let me

606
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,440
seek it on my own and then come back to him.

607
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,759
So the way I see it as I was promised

608
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:56,400
to Christ when I was six months old, and it

609
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680
took me forty some years to find him again or

610
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,160
for him.

611
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,519
Speaker 1: Well, and he just he has a way of weaving

612
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,160
stories together in a way that just brings brings all

613
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,960
glory to him. So you know, you have you have

614
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,759
a really awesome redemptive story to tell, and that would

615
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,279
be different if you had been following it your whole life,

616
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:20,039
you know. So yeah, let's see here. I'm curious how

617
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:24,839
your la friends responded when you started to wake up

618
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
to the mind virus and just see kind of how

619
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,759
crazy things were during COVID. Let's see if you became

620
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Christ curious in twenty twenty, that would have been early COVID.

621
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,960
So this is all kind of happening simultaneously. How do

622
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,519
they respond to your to your tipping point?

623
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: Not well?

624
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,079
Speaker 4: I mean some silently just kind of stopped talking to me.

625
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,480
You know, there was there was never any big blow ups.

626
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
It was it was definitely a lonely period. I did have,

627
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,519
like I said, some people that I could talk to, uh,

628
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720
but it definitely was an internal like probably meant for

629
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,799
many people in COVID. And you know, I didn't have

630
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,240
a partner, I didn't have a family, So it was

631
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:09,240
definitely a looking inward type process and realizing, Okay, where

632
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,960
do I want to go?

633
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:11,519
Speaker 3: What are my next steps?

634
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: Now that I had this identity in Christ that gave

635
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,559
me all the self confidence that I had been missing

636
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,319
my whole life. I mean I kind of spent my

637
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,359
career based in insecurity. I mean your own camera, like

638
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,160
with fitness clothes on. Was It's like, I'm just trying

639
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,279
to prove I'm good enough to be in this position.

640
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,559
You know that, especially at that at that in that

641
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,880
moment in California, you had the jilling, you had like

642
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,799
all these reality shows based on fitness and everybody's trying

643
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,119
to get into that world So you had that kind

644
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,519
of fierce competition and and that that comes at a

645
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640
cost to your self confidence.

646
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: A lot of rejection, striving.

647
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,559
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. Once I kind of had this new

648
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,000
identity in Christ, I didn't really care. I just wanted

649
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,000
to I just wanted truth. I really wanted to know

650
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,039
the truth about but I want I knew it, I

651
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:03,519
knew they were live, And I think that that part

652
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:06,279
of me God put in me is like.

653
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: What's roder Ayer's book, Live not by Lies.

654
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,279
Speaker 4: I could do a lot of things, but I cannot

655
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,920
live by a lie.

656
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: I cannot live in a lie.

657
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: Now I may have been doing that earlier, but I

658
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,200
wasn't aware of it. Once I became aware of it,

659
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,319
I couldn't tolerate it anymore.

660
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: Right, So identifying the COVID lies, I mean, did that

661
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,000
just completely start the domino effect? Like what did it

662
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,240
look like to come to terms with all of these things?

663
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,559
Because you're holding you know, it's not just COVID, it's

664
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,400
you're living in this culture of girl bossary and you know,

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
feminism and all of these other things. Like I don't

666
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,920
know if you were like affirming of LGBT things or

667
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
like how many of these things you were buying into.

668
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:51,799
But like, did that all just immediately start dominoing the

669
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:53,759
second COVID the lights came on.

670
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,839
Speaker 4: So COVID happened. And then, if you remember, a few

671
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,480
short months later, the George.

672
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:01,279
Speaker 3: Floyd thing happened.

673
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: And I do have to credit Candas Owens with being

674
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,920
part of my awakening because at the time I was

675
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,639
in an acting class and we moved to classes online

676
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,239
and the George Floyd thing happened I think on a Wednesday,

677
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,360
because class was on a Thursday, and we were all

678
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,760
there self flagellating about how awful white people we were,

679
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,800
and it felt a little weird at the time, and

680
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,639
I was like, oh, but I'll go along with it

681
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,280
because I'm a terrible person. I should know I'm a

682
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,360
terrible person, and I really need to look at my

683
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,559
inner bias and how I've contributed.

684
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: To the death of George Floyd.

685
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:43,639
Speaker 4: I'm as far away from Minneapolis as you can, like you.

686
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: Know, write as New York is from China. This has

687
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,199
nothing to do with me, and so I kind of

688
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,360
I participated.

689
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: And then I saw a video that evening of Candace

690
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,599
on Facebook. Like I said, I was not politically involved.

691
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,159
I had this ideology, but was it hadn't turned political

692
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,559
at all. It was kind of just me being a

693
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:08,280
good person, a way of life, right that, and you.

694
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: Speak kind of to the to the LGBTQ stuff. I

695
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:12,480
had a lot of.

696
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,639
Speaker 4: Gay friends, most of my most of my male friends

697
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,039
were gay. They were dancers, the history. My best friends

698
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:22,239
were gay, and so I did see a lot of

699
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,599
that rhetoric as like anti gay and you don't care

700
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:26,840
about gay people.

701
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: And you're gay phobic or whatever.

702
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:35,199
Speaker 4: It was Okay, So I watched this video from Candice

703
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,519
and she very pointedly points out this is a tragedy,

704
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
this shouldn't have happened, which we now know is actually

705
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,400
not the truth either. I mean, I think you watch

706
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,280
I think it's called Minneapolis burning. You see what the

707
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,320
tactics of what that what?

708
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,599
Speaker 3: Who's the cop can't remember his name now.

709
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: Derek Chauvin.

710
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: Derek Chauvin, like he.

711
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: Was trained, that was a technique he was trained to do.

712
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,679
And the way George Floyd died of an overdose, you

713
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,599
know he didn't even die because of the nianis nay, okay, whatever,

714
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:06,800
I'm going to get a lot of hate for that.

715
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: No, But I mean, you can look at that. You

716
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,239
can look at the medical examiner's report. I mean, yeah,

717
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
and how could disagree with that? But there's there's at

718
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,960
least as much evidence pointing in the other direction.

719
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so whatever.

720
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: Okay, But she says, you know, this is a tragedy,

721
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,960
but let's not get it twisted. This man is no saint.

722
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,760
He's a criminal. He's a proven criminal. He's a drug

723
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,559
dealer and a drug addict. He's not a martyr. And

724
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,679
I think again, my brain turned on and I was like, oh,

725
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,800
sister's got a point.

726
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: That's a really good point.

727
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:46,519
Speaker 4: So I, in my naivete email my entire acting class

728
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,840
with the link to her my word you know on Facebook,

729
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,679
had no idea who she is, okay, none, never heard

730
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,199
of candae owns in my life crickets.

731
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: I had no response except for, woman, it's.

732
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: Kind of your typical California liberal, lives in Venice, has

733
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,239
a second home in OHI, and acting class is.

734
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,199
Speaker 3: A little older than me.

735
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: And she says, she responds, and she says, Jennifer, this

736
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,519
is a like an interesting perspective from an obviously intelligent

737
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:19,519
young black woman.

738
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing it. I should have pulled it

739
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,480
up because I knew this was going to come up.

740
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: But I still have it though it's in there if

741
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,280
you want documentation.

742
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: I still can't believe that you emailed this link to your.

743
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 7: Acting but I didn't know it wasn't believing this yoga

744
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,880
cave for eight years, like just getting my life away

745
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,679
and teaching fitness with that that I know, So I yeah,

746
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,280
I did that, and.

747
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, I'm not crazy. I'm not

748
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,039
the only one.

749
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,599
Speaker 4: And then a half hour later, I am not kidding you.

750
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,840
In my inbox, like all caps, Jennifer, this is Candice

751
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,559
O and she's on Fox News. How dare you blue?

752
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,119
Speaker 5: You know?

753
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 3: I get my ass reamed out and I'm like, huh.

754
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: Twenty minutes ago, she was an intelligent, young black woman

755
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,599
and now she has actually she has no authority, no

756
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,639
standing whatsoever. And by their standard, she's black, so you

757
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,039
should have to listen to her.

758
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: Right right right the identity politics regime, she should be

759
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
the one speaking on this, not you white people in

760
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,199
this acting class.

761
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And I again, that was another light bulb moment.

762
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,159
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going on here?

763
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: And I also a couple months prior, a friend of

764
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,679
mine had given me a book I think we all

765
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,360
know and love called White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, The

766
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,159
one yea oh, the Classic, the Great Books, the Pillar,

767
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,400
the Great Books Program.

768
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah required reading.

769
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. So he had given me that.

770
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, And I remember having a conversation

771
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,960
with him about the pronoun thing and.

772
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't as big of a deal as it was now.

773
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: And again I had these little light bulb moments and

774
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,079
he's like, well, I like to think I was ahead

775
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,519
of the curve with than Megan Kelly on this because

776
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:12,320
I remember I don't know if you remember her telling

777
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,280
her her story. She says, you know, I thought it

778
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,840
was it was good just to be nice and to

779
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,039
go along. I never thought that I was like, why

780
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:21,960
am I calling somebody a They them?

781
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: They're not even she that they are what they.

782
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,639
Speaker 4: Are, Like, this is ridiculous, I'm not going right a

783
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,239
long this. But that it wasn't as big of a

784
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,719
deal as it is now caused so much strife. And

785
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,559
then that that same friend gave me the book White Fragility.

786
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,079
Speaker 1: Okay, And it wasn't everyone and their mother announcing their

787
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,000
pronouns right out of the gate either. I mean, this

788
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,079
was an isolated thing.

789
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:45,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

790
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Oh, in corporate America, everybody has their pronouns after their name,

791
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,639
whether they're the most obviously man or obviously woman you've

792
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,039
ever seen in your life. You know, there wasn't the

793
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,199
ritual rehearsing of your pronouns the way there is now.

794
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: Yes, it wasn't the seeking absolution via your email signature.

795
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,039
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

796
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: So he gave me that book and I remember it,

797
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,599
and this is I always tell this story too, because

798
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,079
of kind of the insidious nature of the left or

799
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,199
the progressive left or progress, whatever you want to call it.

800
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,159
Speaker 3: It's hard sometimes they're not clear terms.

801
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,679
Speaker 1: But yes, well, and you know the words we tend

802
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:24,360
to use are liberal, progressive, or leftist. Well, liberal, classical

803
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,360
liberals are not like liberal now, and progressive implies that

804
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,199
they're actually advocating or you know, advancing towards progress, which

805
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,800
we all know.

806
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Is not true.

807
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 1: So I think leftist is probably the best word. But

808
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
they're all just completely poisoned at this point. So yeah,

809
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:38,880
who knows.

810
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 4: But so I'm reading that book and I'm thinking, so wait,

811
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,559
if I'm if I don't express racism, I'm still a racist,

812
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,719
Like I'm it doesn't matter what I say, or how

813
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,400
I act or how I behave, I'm racist because of

814
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,920
the color of my skin. I'm like, that seems pretty racist.

815
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,760
By the end of the book, I was like, you

816
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,159
know what, she's right, I really need to look at

817
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:09,000
my internal bias. I bought into it because there is

818
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,440
a self censorship program that kicks in when you are

819
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,880
in this world long enough and says, you know, you're

820
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,519
kind of the logic that I had been taught, the reasoning,

821
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,599
the rationale, it crept up and I.

822
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,159
Speaker 3: Shut it down.

823
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's like the line test, you know, where you're

824
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:28,400
in a room of people and you're supposed to point

825
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,440
to the longest line, and everybody else is in on

826
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,760
the experiment, but you're not, and everyone else raises their

827
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,360
hand for the shorter line, and so you raise your

828
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,519
hand for the shorter line too. You know, I forget

829
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,800
what the experiment is called, but it's that mass formation

830
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,159
thing where you just go along with go along to

831
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:44,639
get along.

832
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: Yes.

833
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,079
Speaker 4: So I had that book and then the CANDICEO when

834
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,239
things happened and I was like, okay, no, not anymore.

835
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,840
And then I think the christ thing happened after that

836
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,199
I'm just.

837
00:41:58,159 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: Trying to get see.

838
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,119
Speaker 4: But you're right, and all kind of happened at once,

839
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,880
I mean, within within a time span of maybe six months.

840
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 2: Because it's a house of cards.

841
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,559
Speaker 1: The second you say something that's true, that's that you

842
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:15,760
are forbidden from saying. It's not only so empowering, but

843
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,719
it just it opens you up to all of these

844
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360
other things, these lies that you've rehearsed over the course

845
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,639
of time. I mean, it all just completely falls apart.

846
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again to go back to your original question,

847
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
I did lose friends at the time that we were

848
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,280
all isolated anyway, and and it just some of them

849
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,599
just naturally fell away.

850
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: Some of them were a little more dramatic.

851
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 4: And even up until this day, I lost friends when

852
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,599
I started working for heritage. You know, I don't know,

853
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:49,760
you just kind of I've made new friends and and

854
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,679
I'm okay with you know, I think as it becomes

855
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,719
a function of getting older as well, and now you

856
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,039
have a family and that's what you're focused on. But

857
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,400
for me, it's like I have some good core still

858
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,239
friends that stuck by me. Obviously, my my Catholic friend

859
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,039
from LA were still very good friends and and I

860
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:09,800
don't need a lot.

861
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't need a lot of friends. I really don't.

862
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 4: My life is full with my work, with what I

863
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,320
where I believe God has called me to do.

864
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: My life is full with just I don't know.

865
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: Living again instead of and instead of all this kind

866
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,840
of narcissistic naval gazing. To be out in the world

867
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,440
and participatory again is something that I've really appreciated, having

868
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,800
fun again, laughing again, Like my sense of I always

869
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,519
told a sense of.

870
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,039
Speaker 3: Humor came back. I'm not as easily offended.

871
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: Actually, it's really hard to offend me, really hard to

872
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:46,440
offend me.

873
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful thing.

874
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get a thick skin, but it's

875
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,440
it's an honest thick skin. It's not like I'm pretending

876
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,920
to be some right, you know, and like not me

877
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,800
and whatever you bounces off me and sticks to you.

878
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,880
I'm like rubber, You're like clue whatever, right, you know.

879
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,239
I'm still I like to think I've kept my sensitivity,

880
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,639
but I'm very judicious about what we need to be

881
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880
upset about and what The east wing of the ball

882
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,480
of the White House is not something that's got me

883
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:18,280
up in arms.

884
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: Okay, Like I don't sleep over that.

885
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is actually upset about that. They

886
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,519
just have to pretend to be because it's the big

887
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:31,199
orange man and he's bad and you know. Yeah, So

888
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:34,880
if you could go back and tell your twenty one

889
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,400
year old self anything, or twenty five year old self,

890
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,000
what would you tell her?

891
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: I think what you're pointing to is and I think

892
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,000
this is a legitimate question. I don't think you're trying

893
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:50,800
to shroud it. But it's like, do you have regrets?

894
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: Right?

895
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: Like, what would you look back up and change?

896
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: And I think.

897
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: The biggest thing is if I have a regret, it's

898
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:13,440
not having a family and very biological, very biological rationalities

899
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,119
a certain age. And I think that's particularly what happens

900
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,599
to a lot of women in LA. It's very hard

901
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:20,960
to measure seasons in time.

902
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,159
Speaker 3: In La. You don't have seasons.

903
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,519
Speaker 4: You wake up one day and you're forty and you're like,

904
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,400
oh my gosh, I've spent twenty years here.

905
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: This is insane, which I think is probably the case

906
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,079
in a lot of cities. I mean, DC is certainly

907
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,519
one of them. I've seen a lot of my own

908
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,639
friends and people I know face a similar thing there

909
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,000
or in New York or elsewhere.

910
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,039
Speaker 3: I think you're so caught up in a career and.

911
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: Trying to make it on your own and do these

912
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,559
things that you lose sight of the fact of like, oh,

913
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,440
the biological clock is actually ticking, and I've either ignored it.

914
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,159
It was for me weird might actually didn't start going

915
00:45:58,159 --> 00:45:59,679
off until much later in life.

916
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,599
Speaker 3: I did start to realize.

917
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 4: And by that time, I'm like, oh, I hadn't put

918
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,840
any energy towards dating. Really I did it, but I

919
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,559
actually didn't intentionally date with the idea of having a

920
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,199
marriage and a family. I learned those things, but but

921
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,920
again I could just manifest them whenever I wanted.

922
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,679
Speaker 2: Right, right right, There's no.

923
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 4: Reason to actually put any energy and effort into dating.

924
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: Right, just manifest or you know, God would just drop

925
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,199
it in my lap.

926
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,599
Speaker 4: So I do wish that I you know, I could

927
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:35,800
tell myself, Hey, this is something you're going to want

928
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,119
later in life, and you might not be able to

929
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:38,440
have it.

930
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: I love the quote.

931
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've heard it, and I'm sure many women

932
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,000
in your audience have heard it.

933
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,159
Speaker 3: Is women can have it.

934
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,119
Speaker 4: All, just not all at the same time. Yes, and

935
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:54,679
there are sacrifices to be made. Anything worth having requires sacrifice,

936
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,119
and I'm very happy where I am now, so it's

937
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,559
hard to say, you know, maybe I would I got married,

938
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:03,280
had a terrible marriage and been abused and had to

939
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,920
be divorced with a child.

940
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. So God took me down the path.

941
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 4: I think that he wanted me to go, and the

942
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,239
more I listened to that, the happier I am, or

943
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000
at least the more content and fulfilled I am. Yes,

944
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,800
like I said, I was speaking with my aunt the

945
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,880
other night, it's like I never expected to be here.

946
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,559
This is not more thought I would be at my age.

947
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,159
But there's an acceptance and a humility that comes with that.

948
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: And a lot of grace. You know, in my life,

949
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,960
I've been given a lot of grace.

950
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well and yeah, just a lot of

951
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,519
peace and knowing too that the Lord has has done

952
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,039
so much in your life to bring you to where

953
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,559
you are. So yeah, I don't know that I would

954
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,400
frame it as much as regret as just like what

955
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,840
you've learned, you know, along the way, And I think

956
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,800
that's a more helpful way maybe to think about it,

957
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,239
or something that you can pass pass along to other

958
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,280
young women rather than thinking of it as something that

959
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,079
you would tell yourself. You know, here's your story is

960
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,280
still really beautiful, even if it's not what you envisioned.

961
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, don't buy into the feminist piece.

962
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: I also think, you know, we probably talk at nauseum

963
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,880
about this issue. I am so tired of everybody, particularly women,

964
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,760
now trying to pit men against women. It's like, there

965
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,199
is no battle of the sexes. We're both needed for

966
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,559
different reasons. As I'm sure you know. Is like we

967
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,719
are complimentary, we're not adversarials, we're not at all, We're

968
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,440
not competing for anything. I think women got into this competition,

969
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,519
like this competition with men. I'm like, what are you

970
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,360
competing for the CEO job?

971
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: Really?

972
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:41,519
Speaker 2: Right?

973
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,119
Speaker 3: Right?

974
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: Well, and now it's kind of come full circle, right

975
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,000
because I completely agree with you. Well, at the same time,

976
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,760
now the battle of the sexes is is women literally

977
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,800
battling men to get out of their spaces. Right, So

978
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,559
it's like at first it was more of an imagined struggle,

979
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,760
and now it's now it's an actual struggle where we

980
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,199
we really do need to reclaim our spaces. So I

981
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,880
don't know, maybe you can speak to that distinction a

982
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,280
little bit.

983
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well.

984
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,519
Speaker 4: All the women are like I posted my piece in

985
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,239
American and the American Conservative on the birth control pill,

986
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,159
and I sometimes I just like to drop the bomb

987
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,840
and walk away. And that happens on my Facebook page

988
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,760
because I still have a lot of friends or sorry,

989
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,360
just a lot of friends on that page that are

990
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,360
from my old life or liberals or whatever.

991
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,159
Speaker 3: I mean. It was just like, whew, you know, you

992
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:42,599
come up to my control. Came out things like dissertations

993
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,559
in the comments. It was very it was very interesting.

994
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: But but that that idea that I would warn women

995
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,199
against of, like that men are your men or your enemy.

996
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,599
Oh you asked me about like kind of the It's

997
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,559
interesting is that there's a lot of words salad about

998
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,880
the patriarchy. I mean, I can't tell you in those

999
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,519
comments how many times the word patriarchy is used. I go,

1000
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,519
that's interesting because men are now dictating to women about being.

1001
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,519
Speaker 3: In their in their space.

1002
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,039
Speaker 2: The patriarch is winning. You talk about the this is it,

1003
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,239
this is what I'm real.

1004
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:27,199
Speaker 4: So I again, they're just there is a like I said,

1005
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,360
I had that notion of common sense. I was never

1006
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,760
a dumb person. But then I did go back to school.

1007
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,400
I did go back and get my grad degree in

1008
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,480
public policy, and it was very much we had a.

1009
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 3: Great books course.

1010
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: I had to really think about these things, and that

1011
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:46,480
really solidified me becoming kind of an ideological conservative. The

1012
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:52,239
Christianity piece understanding women's place and God's idea for women

1013
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,519
and partnership and marriage and family, and then these ideas

1014
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,840
of what this country was founded on. I still't think

1015
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,880
the women, to be honest, are very well educated about that. Right,

1016
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:08,599
failed women in history, so they're susceptible to thinking so

1017
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,159
zoron WNDAMI is going to be a great idea.

1018
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: For New York because equality like equality at the lowest

1019
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,400
possible bottom.

1020
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: Everyone's equal, right, no opportunity for you to And you

1021
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:30,239
keep talking about the the the the inequality, the wealth

1022
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,079
inequality right between the top and the between the bottom

1023
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:34,840
and the top. I'm like, you think that's going to

1024
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,400
get better under socialism?

1025
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: Right?

1026
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 6: Right?

1027
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,679
Speaker 3: Do not know how these things work?

1028
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,159
Speaker 1: Yes, the complete lack of common sense and going back

1029
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,400
to the feminist point, just at a most basic level,

1030
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,960
it's such a lack of of there's so much cognitive

1031
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,039
dissonance because it's women. The power struggle between men and women,

1032
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:59,559
while at the same time, women are doing everything to

1033
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,239
be men, you know, not even not in a transgender

1034
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,280
type of way, but in a deferring marriage and motherhood,

1035
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:11,880
sterilizing themselves on the pill, or at least just completely changing.

1036
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,320
They're suppressing their normal biological function to become more like men,

1037
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,559
I mean, in every possible way. And it's like, do

1038
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:20,559
you hate men or do you want to be men?

1039
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Because these two things, there's so much there's so much

1040
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,400
dissonance there, it just doesn't even make sense. But then

1041
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,760
you see that that way of like, you know, some

1042
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,559
wires crossing that shouldn't be in every other area, like

1043
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,960
you said, with COVID and with you know, being doing

1044
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,760
your own research and all these things, and then until

1045
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,639
there's an infectious disease and then all of a sudden,

1046
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,400
we're you know, scavenging for toilet paper and wearing a

1047
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
mask and taking an experimental shot. And it's just this

1048
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,320
this unwillingness to face reality and live within the confines

1049
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,360
of it, because you're just so much happier when you

1050
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,719
do that, when you realize the natural constraints of life

1051
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,320
and then just accept them and let them form your

1052
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,960
public policy and your political views and all of these things,

1053
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,000
and the left has just become so unhinged that like

1054
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,960
basic reality is just incomplete denial. We don't even live

1055
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,519
in the same world as so many of these people.

1056
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: Well, it's a denial of human nature.

1057
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 4: I mean that was the first thing I realized going

1058
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,559
through COVID and kind of through my public my master's

1059
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,440
in public policies. What it really comes down to right

1060
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,559
now is this is not like an agreement on the

1061
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,639
goal and we disagree on how to get there, on

1062
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,000
tariffs or Texas or economics. This is a disagreement about

1063
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,920
the fundamental reality of human nature, right we are as

1064
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,519
humans and what it means.

1065
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,519
Speaker 3: To be human. They actually think that they can be God.

1066
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,639
Speaker 4: Like you said, I can change my reproductive system so

1067
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,960
that I don't have babies and I can have sex

1068
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:54,599
like a man yay, And that to them is freedom.

1069
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:57,159
I mean that is that is if I showed you

1070
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,239
these comments, that is the thread you want to take

1071
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,159
women's rights way in women's freedom, I'm like, since when

1072
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,760
is freedom just being able to do whatever you want?

1073
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 5: Right?

1074
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,199
Speaker 4: I don't think that, Like I had a life, I

1075
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,239
got to travel whenever I want, I didn't have I

1076
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,519
didn't have any responsibilities, but I wasn't happy.

1077
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,679
Speaker 3: I wasn't I wasn't fulfilled as a woman.

1078
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: And I like true liberty and freedom are duty. It's

1079
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,360
a responsibility to something, not just from everything.

1080
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,519
Speaker 4: Right, And that's the that's the classic Pope John Paul quote.

1081
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,599
You know, freedom is the ability. I don't know if

1082
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,760
it's the ability or something to do what you ought,

1083
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,719
not what you want.

1084
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: And there is some you know.

1085
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,559
Speaker 4: Again, like I feel like I'm it's not that I

1086
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:38,800
don't want to do what I'm doing.

1087
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: I don't want.

1088
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 4: I love my career, I love my job. I love

1089
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,760
being at Heritage. This as like has been a dream job.

1090
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,000
But again it's not what I wanted initially. I feel

1091
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,320
like I'm doing what God wants of me. I feel

1092
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,400
like I have a calling and that's it's It comes

1093
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,519
with sacrifice, and it comes with fulfillment. But not always

1094
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:01,599
like comfortable, I'm not always comfortable. It's not always again

1095
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,480
the life I thought I'm not living in like the

1096
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,039
mansion in la and going to Airwan every day and

1097
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:12,039
having my fifty dollars smoothies and and and like you

1098
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,199
you put yourself out there in a world that doesn't

1099
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:19,880
really accept this understanding of women and family that's very hostile.

1100
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: Towards conservative women. You lose friends.

1101
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about you much about your

1102
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,559
story if you've always been in the circle, but obviously

1103
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,679
for me, I've I'm on like my fifth life.

1104
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: Here doesn't get any easy areas you get old, you know,

1105
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,119
you're like a cat. Yeah, So I know you've done

1106
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,360
a lot of work in the Make America Healthy against space.

1107
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,800
We've published a lot of your MAHA articles also at

1108
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,639
the Federalist, and I believe you're doing some of that

1109
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,239
work at Heritage, right, that's part of your policy work there.

1110
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: That is kind of the policy work.

1111
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: Policy work.

1112
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,599
Speaker 4: We have started an initiative at Heritage called Restoring American

1113
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,599
Wellness because we understood that this moment calls for not

1114
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,920
just a flash in the pan movement, but a comprehensive

1115
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,119
shift in how we see health policy. It's not just

1116
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:11,119
about insurance and markets and Medicare and medicaid.

1117
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,119
Speaker 3: Those are important things.

1118
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,159
Speaker 4: We want drug prices reduced, but we also need to

1119
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,719
really tackle this chronic disease issue. And that's not going

1120
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,360
to come actually for more healthcare exactly, I'm sure you've

1121
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,039
heard I feel like, and I said this decades ago.

1122
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,400
We don't have a healthcare system. We have a sick

1123
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,719
care system. We have a system that once you're in it,

1124
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,280
you cannot get out. It is very hard to get

1125
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,159
out from under the dependency of pharmaceuticals and doctors and

1126
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,599
coding and medicare and Medicaid.

1127
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 3: So I was actually, you.

1128
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,599
Speaker 4: Know, going down memory lane on my Facebook pages. I

1129
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,960
think it was just last night, and this was like

1130
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,199
a post from two thousand and nine where I had

1131
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,159
posted my dinner and I said food is medicine, which

1132
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:55,920
is so weird.

1133
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 3: Because that used to be all hippie dippy left.

1134
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you've always been Maha.

1135
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,559
Speaker 1: You were make America healthy again before it was cool

1136
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,199
to be make America healthy again.

1137
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that I actually in twenty I

1138
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,400
guess was twenty twenty one. My first policy paper was

1139
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:18,440
on how the agricultural system can help change the food

1140
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,079
supply to make America healthy again. And I had to

1141
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,440
give a presentation, like a slideshow presentation to the class

1142
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,760
and I actually did make America healthy again, because at

1143
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,760
the time it was just maga.

1144
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,239
Speaker 3: It was just make America great again.

1145
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, make America healthy again, and

1146
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,000
everyone's like, oh, that's so cute.

1147
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: That's really it is so funny. And then again it's funny.

1148
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 4: How maybe that's speaking things into existence in some way

1149
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,599
does work? I don't know, but I think maybe God

1150
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,599
just told me, like, you're on the right track, keep

1151
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:50,840
going there you go.

1152
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.

1153
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,079
Speaker 5: We are.

1154
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 4: The Restoring American Wellness Initiative at Heritage is supportive of

1155
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:04,719
a lot of the MAHA initiatives, particularly getting corporate capture

1156
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:08,039
out of our agencies. The Bought and Page for Research

1157
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:12,880
fully support Jabadicharian and Marty McCarey and RFK. And we

1158
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,159
don't always have to agree on everything, but I think

1159
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,039
one of Heritage's big roles as a serious policy shop

1160
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,480
is to bring credibility to this movement. These aren't just

1161
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,519
all activists. These aren't just all moms that are angry.

1162
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:32,360
These are legitimate concerns of how are we going to

1163
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,119
better spend our healthcare dollars because we're bankrupt.

1164
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: We can't go on with this trillion dollar healthcare system. Right.

1165
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,639
Speaker 1: Do you think that this movement, this coalition of MAHA

1166
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,280
and MAGA and all of that, do you think that

1167
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,800
that will long outlive the Trump era, Like, do you

1168
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,679
think that COVID was the actual realignment of people who

1169
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,920
believe in science and people who don't, or is this

1170
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,320
it's just more shorter lived thing where Trump was able

1171
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,559
to pull these coalitions together, and then after he's off

1172
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:07,800
the political scene, you know, maybe it'll take a couple

1173
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,719
of election cycles, but it'll fracture back to you know,

1174
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,440
the lefties being the hippietippes and Maha not really being

1175
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,480
a conservative thing.

1176
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,199
Speaker 4: Well, my job, I see one of my charges as

1177
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,239
making sure it doesn't fizzle and that it doesn't long

1178
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,400
outlive Trump and advance because this is going to take

1179
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,679
a long time to repair. We're just getting started. This

1180
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,960
is not a This is not a three year four

1181
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,880
year project. This is a ten twenty. I mean, it

1182
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,440
takes a long time for the culture to catch up

1183
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,280
with the good science and new sense. Right for years

1184
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:40,800
we were.

1185
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: Taught low fat, and how long you.

1186
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 4: Know how many people are still entrenched in that mindset

1187
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that eating cholesterol is bad for you, that eating eggs

1188
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is bad for you.

1189
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Speaker 3: Eggs and make it bad for you.

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Speaker 4: And you know it's going to take a while. So

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00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,519
part of my job I see is me making sure

1192
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,679
that this isn't a flash in the pan, And I

1193
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:04,440
don't think it will be. I think there's been too

1194
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,400
many people that have woken up to the reality of

1195
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,079
a bought and paid for research structure when it comes

1196
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,880
to science. I mean, you say science, who's doing the

1197
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,360
science and who's paying for it? And that's going to

1198
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,840
take a long time to undo. And you've got some

1199
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,159
stalwarts that are hanging on by a thread. I mean,

1200
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:27,960
I do see what happened to the Republican Party is

1201
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,639
you have what we call, I guess the neocons right

1202
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:33,519
that want to hold on to this idea of conservatism

1203
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,519
when all they're conserving is the bureaucracy.

1204
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,599
Speaker 3: They're conserving the structure.

1205
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 4: They're not actually conserving what conservatives are meant to, which

1206
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,119
is the good, the true, and the beautiful. They're just

1207
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:50,800
conserving their power. And there's this new kind of populist conservatives. No,

1208
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,599
we're going to give the power back to the people,

1209
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,840
not to your structures, not to your government institutions, to

1210
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,639
the institutions that actually make a society good, which is

1211
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,360
the fang, which is the church, which is maybe schools,

1212
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,119
but schools that are run by their local communities and

1213
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:07,599
not by government dictator.

1214
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:08,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1215
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because I think a lot of similar things

1216
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,400
to what happened with MAHA have also happened with the

1217
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:18,639
education establishment where you know, COVID Similarly to how people saw, yeah,

1218
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,800
trusting the science doesn't really work when you're talking about

1219
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,480
people who are bankrolled, but you know it's a racket.

1220
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:27,079
So you know, you can't trust King Anthony Fauci on

1221
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:30,480
this because you know he's his interests are completely skewed here.

1222
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:33,800
And a similar thing happened with parents in education where

1223
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,920
they finally got a look behind the curtain that they

1224
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,800
a curtain. You know, they probably should have been peeking

1225
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,320
behind all along, but it finally was was thrust right

1226
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,400
in front of their faces and you can't unsee that.

1227
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,400
And I think that's very similar to probably how it

1228
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,679
will will continue to progress in the post COVID era

1229
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,360
with public health, where once you see some of these

1230
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,400
nasty underbelly things of the skewed incentive structure and just

1231
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,480
the type of people making calling the shots on your

1232
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:59,039
health and on your education, it's hard to go back

1233
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,840
to a pre COVID understanding of those things or or

1234
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,159
you know, pre looking behind the curtain understanding of of

1235
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,480
those things. So yeah, hopeful that heritage is work and

1236
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,960
everybody else's work in this space will will be fruitful

1237
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,760
and that will be able to continue this coalition going forward.

1238
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that that's the that's the pitfall

1239
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:22,519
of a of a liberal small l progressive as in

1240
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:28,440
real progress, meaning with roads and freeways and entrepreneurialism and capitalism.

1241
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,280
That is the downfall of this culture because we are

1242
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,880
now so comfortable that we've just gotten We've become complacent.

1243
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: We don't look under the hood. We've we've been almost

1244
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:42,199
vamboozled because we've just said, hey, we have.

1245
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:44,719
Speaker 4: A good life here in the suburbs, we have a house,

1246
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,679
and and everybody stopped kind of fighting for freedom. Like

1247
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:50,639
Reagan said, you're only one generation from losing it, because

1248
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,719
when you become complacent about freedom, and when you become

1249
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,599
complacent about your government, they'll just continue to grow without

1250
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:02,159
you even realizing it and more from you until we

1251
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,239
have a government that my goodness, like the shutdown is

1252
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,840
probably needed, Like you realize how many of these are.

1253
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,159
Speaker 3: Actually not essential jobs.

1254
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 4: Yes, so much was just re engineering society with DEI

1255
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,360
and how many people that were hired for those purposes.

1256
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,199
Is like, these aren't real jobs.

1257
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:29,199
Speaker 1: Yes, the bloat is unreal, unreal. Is Heritage working on

1258
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,039
anything as far as like MiFi pristone goes. I know,

1259
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:36,360
there's been a lot of talk of you know, or

1260
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,440
pushing for Marty McCarey and and RFK Junior to do

1261
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,880
something about this. Specifically the study that came out about

1262
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,519
the dangers of MEPhI pristone that it is way worse

1263
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:49,440
than the fd label, the FDA label. What have you

1264
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,760
believe risks associated with the abortion pill regime or regiment

1265
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,039
I should say, is Heritage working on anything policy wise

1266
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,719
to to kind of get this to be a front

1267
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,320
and center issue for them or not? Because I think

1268
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:06,480
there's some conservatives who feel very strung along by this

1269
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,679
that we keep getting kind of empty promises about that

1270
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,599
this is something that the FDA is going to look into,

1271
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:12,480
that this is something that RFK is going to look into,

1272
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,920
and that they'd be willing to change their position on

1273
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,039
mifipristone if the right evidence came to light. Well, you know,

1274
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,519
we have this evidence now, and instead we're greenlighting you know,

1275
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:24,519
generic versions of these drugs and so I'm just curious,

1276
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,119
you know, if this is something that what the players

1277
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:31,840
in the health space are doing to push this forward.

1278
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because the Maha, as you pointed out,

1279
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,599
does have this this kind of broad tent base of

1280
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,880
Christian homeschool moms and hippie conservatives like me or you know,

1281
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:47,000
used to be liberals and then got politically homeless, and

1282
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:51,079
RFK joined Trump and and so it is. It is

1283
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:53,239
weird because I think you still have a lot of

1284
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,599
women who see this as women's reproductive health. Although the

1285
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,920
more I talk to people within the Mud, we haven't.

1286
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,440
We haven't, at least I haven't. The thing with mahas,

1287
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,960
there's so many issues to cover that as far as

1288
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,800
I'm concerned, I don't know if somebody else is. We

1289
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,280
do have somebody actually, Oh my gosh, I can see

1290
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,159
her face. Melanie Israel works a lot on this, so

1291
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,599
that is of her domain. I'm a little bit more

1292
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,880
of a generalist when it comes to the mode. I

1293
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,320
have my own passions are like nutrition, agriculture kinds of stuff,

1294
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,719
maybe v scenes, but Melanie Israel really works on that stuff.

1295
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: So she's the person talking about what we're doing.

1296
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 4: And I know we came out with a statement, I

1297
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,679
trust this administration when they say the reason they greenlit

1298
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:47,159
the generic version is because the actual drug is the problem,

1299
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,920
it's not just this generic version of it. So it

1300
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,320
is I think we kind of have to because this

1301
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,840
the methhapristone, is already greenlit, So it's not really it's actually,

1302
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,760
if that's already greenlit, they kind of have to with this.

1303
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: It's just like they need to pull back the original.

1304
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,800
They can't just not accept the off brand.

1305
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they it's.

1306
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: What happens is is they accept the generic and then

1307
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:13,960
they go back to the actual original, and then they

1308
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,679
find that's dangerous, then that generic is automatically taken up

1309
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:20,440
with that as dangerous. If they said these two were different,

1310
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,599
if they treated the generic differently than they did the

1311
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:24,639
brand name, then when they go to the research of

1312
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:26,920
the mephypristone, they're going to say, well, this is the generic,

1313
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,880
you know what I mean? So now at least in

1314
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,000
the same category when you when you do testing on mephipristone,

1315
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:34,199
the generic drug will be swept into it and under

1316
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,760
the same authority or regulation that the person will be under.

1317
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,480
So I think that may have been more a tactical decision,

1318
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,280
although of course we're never kind of praising the messaging

1319
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,559
of like, oh great, here's a generic version of an abortion.

1320
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,559
Speaker 1: Film, right right, Well, and I think that's part of

1321
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,119
the problem is it just feels like kind of an

1322
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:54,400
apathetic response, like, oh, well, we have to do this

1323
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,599
because the other one's screenlighter, and it's like, well, then

1324
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,239
maybe we should work a little harder to get the

1325
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,559
get to get metapristone not greenlit, let's red light that

1326
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,519
you know asap And you know, I feel similarly, of

1327
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,360
course about birth control. I know you wrote that article.

1328
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,480
I wrote a piece probably a year or so ago,

1329
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:13,000
really going after the pill. But you know, in this

1330
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,800
very multi front war to make America healthy again, because

1331
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,320
you're right, I mean, you could come at this from

1332
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,360
every possible angle.

1333
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,039
Speaker 2: It's there.

1334
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing. But I think, you know,

1335
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,400
if we are actually concerned about women's health, the pill

1336
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,559
and chemical abortion drugs are two huge areas where we

1337
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:32,920
should be focusing because holy cow, like these are endangering

1338
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,320
women left and right, and we don't even know the

1339
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,519
extent of it. But what we do know is not

1340
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:38,159
pretty like that's that's bad.

1341
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:40,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's sacred cow.

1342
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:44,199
Speaker 4: Women's reproductive freedom is the sacred cow. You You've been

1343
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,960
enslaved to men and now you're free and you can't

1344
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,679
touch I mean again, the clause came out when I

1345
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,679
posted that article, and I was just like, oh, I

1346
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,440
disagree with you. It was like a full blown essay

1347
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,360
with a lot of anger behind it about the patriarchy

1348
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,199
and do you want.

1349
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,559
Speaker 3: Women to go back to day right?

1350
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, there's plenty of ways not to

1351
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,119
get pregnant, and this is this is the point I'm

1352
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:10,840
very passionate about, because women's empowerment is not the ability

1353
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,719
to have sex like a man without any consequences. That's

1354
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,439
not empowerment, that's not freedom. Freedom is knowing your body,

1355
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,680
knowing your cycles. And this is maybe where conservatives kind

1356
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,199
of dropped the ball in this kind of puritanical like

1357
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,920
we can't talk about women period now. It's like no, no, no,

1358
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,600
They run our lives, our hormones run our lives as

1359
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,640
at any point during the month, and I will tell

1360
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,079
you where I am in my cycle, what's happening to

1361
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:39,039
my body, what's happening to my mental state. I tell

1362
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:40,880
my boyfriend, you need to know this because if you're

1363
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,520
going to plan a trip, you need to know the

1364
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,520
weekends that it's going to be okay, and the weekends

1365
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,359
that I'm not going to be actually up for anything,

1366
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:49,319
you know what I like?

1367
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,239
Speaker 1: Yes, And this is such a substantial part of the

1368
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:55,479
population that experiences this, like this is not a few people,

1369
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,920
this is women broadly. Joy you know, yes, And I guarantee.

1370
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,399
Speaker 4: You most women and don't know the four stages of

1371
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,760
their cycle. They don't know what happens each stage. They

1372
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,159
don't know what progesterone does. They don't know what the

1373
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,640
testosterone does, they don't know what estrogen does. They don't

1374
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,439
actually understand their own bodies and the mechanisms and the

1375
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,479
beauty that God has created within our systems and.

1376
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:18,079
Speaker 3: How we function.

1377
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:21,239
Speaker 8: So when anything pops up that seems out of the ordinary,

1378
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,399
just give them the pill, right instead of saying, no,

1379
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,359
something's out of balance, Like I'm adamant about telling women,

1380
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,079
like your menstrual cycle is a vital sign.

1381
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:33,079
Speaker 4: It is like the fifth vital sign for you. And

1382
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:35,640
if it is off, if you have endometriosis, if you

1383
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,960
have PCOS, I'm not saying you should sit and suffer.

1384
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,960
If the pills is a temporary remedy. That's fine, but

1385
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,479
it is not the cure. Something else is going on.

1386
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,159
And I'm sure you've heard this. You see a lot

1387
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:51,600
of women who are who are experiencing infertility. A lot

1388
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,960
of them say that basically if they quit their job.

1389
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,520
Once they quit their job, they get pregnant. Stress is

1390
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:05,760
such an impactful factor on our hormones. This is why

1391
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,279
acupuncture has a great, great success rate when it comes

1392
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:12,840
to infertility. It's I think one of acupuncture's strongest suits

1393
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:16,000
is that it restores the balance to the nervous system

1394
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:19,039
and the energetic systems of the body, so that women

1395
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:23,000
can relax and be in their feminine and take a breath.

1396
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,479
And they have to. I mean, I just even see

1397
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,000
the way I'm talking, I get held up. But they can,

1398
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:31,960
they can not be so adamant about taking control and

1399
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:36,239
taking charge of everything. I think that mindset has really

1400
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,560
set women back in being women.

1401
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:40,359
Speaker 2: Yep.

1402
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: Well, and it doesn't help that healthcare practitioners largely fuel.

1403
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 2: That as well.

1404
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: It's not normal to go into or it's not common

1405
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,239
to go into the doctor and be met with somebody

1406
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,279
who's actually trying to help you find the root cause

1407
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:57,439
of your issue, like you will be prescribed birth control

1408
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:02,079
like candy to tackle any number of of completely like

1409
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,319
things that aren't even really interfering with your life or

1410
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,079
I shouldn't say that, but just like birth getule with

1411
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:09,479
the band aid for ACME, for like all kinds of

1412
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,239
things where it's like you and you know if you

1413
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:14,000
need it for something, Okay, Like I'm not going to

1414
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,479
tell every woman what she should do with her whether

1415
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,479
she should be on the pill or what.

1416
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think like there's so many different opinions about it,

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,840
but you at least need to have informed consent, and

1419
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,039
there is none of that because it's just prescribed to

1420
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,399
anyone and everyone who walks in with a minor ailment

1421
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,960
into their female doctor. And you know, if your doctor

1422
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:36,039
is telling you the pill is the cure, then probably

1423
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:37,079
find a different doctor.

1424
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and it's two points on this.

1425
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 4: The one thing I would love doctors to tell women

1426
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,239
when they go in you're twenty one, you're going in

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01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,279
for a pill or now at the age of what fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

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01:11:48,319 --> 01:11:50,880
whatever it is they're putting them on the pill. I

1429
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,720
want the doctor to say, this is medicated menopause. Do

1430
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,439
you agree, Yeah, we are putting your body into menopause.

1431
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: That is what the pill does.

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,119
Speaker 4: And then it introduces a synthetic form of progesterone, which

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01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:10,920
is progestine. And you know it's like you said, there's

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,159
no informed consent because they're not informing and consent as

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01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:17,439
well as long as it takes away my symptoms. The

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,279
other point I will say, what's interesting is two conservative

1438
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:23,560
women talking to each other and in media. I've had

1439
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:29,279
a couple requests for conversations from Politico, very liberal media

1440
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,319
about women's health, women's reproduct this article I wrote. And

1441
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:37,640
maybe they're just posturing or maybe they're lying to get

1442
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,760
to get me to say what they want to say,

1443
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,520
and then they'll turn it around and spin it to

1444
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,319
make me seem like the evil woman who wants to

1445
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,039
bow to men and become part of the patriarch whatever,

1446
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,359
like I have Stockholm syndrome or something. But there does

1447
01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:56,000
seem to be particularly with the younger writers, when I

1448
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,920
talk about this story about the pill, and they're like, yeah,

1449
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,439
they just decided I should.

1450
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,119
Speaker 3: Be on the ped and they don't. They don't seem

1451
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:05,279
to go along with it either.

1452
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 4: They don't want this one girl said like, yeah, I

1453
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,119
was prescribed for acne and I really didn't want it,

1454
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:13,399
but he kept insisting that I go on the pill.

1455
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 3: And I said, did you you know? Did you object?

1456
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,560
And she goes, yeah, I didn't do it, but he

1457
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,640
was really just wanting me to go on the pill.

1458
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:25,560
And I think there is a common thread through women.

1459
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,560
If women could see that, that's our common thread, the

1460
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:35,159
reality of being a woman. This is why this might

1461
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,560
be a way into the left. This might be although

1462
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,199
again I see it on my Facebook page and it's

1463
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:43,239
just like, oh my gosh, I'm not trying to harm you.

1464
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,039
I really am not. But there are some readers you

1465
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:46,840
should know about.

1466
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,319
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, you know, but there has to be

1467
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,479
a recognition of humanity and what it's like to be

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:53,920
a woman.

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: And if you can speak to other women on either

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:57,079
side of the.

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01:13:57,039 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 4: Aisle about those challenges and about our health in a

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01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,079
in a non crazy way, if you can get out

1473
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,119
of the crazy and get to the reality of these

1474
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:11,319
struggles that we all face as women, young and old,

1475
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,079
there has to be some bonding around that, like, yeah,

1476
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:21,319
against because we're against men, but because we're ourselves.

1477
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:22,119
Speaker 2: Right, right.

1478
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: I just think there's two totally different ideas of what

1479
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:27,840
a woman.

1480
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: Is or should be. And I think that's the problem.

1481
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: You know, whether you want to lean into your god

1482
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:36,239
given design as a woman and understand your cycle better

1483
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,279
and understand your body better and do you know, do

1484
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:40,760
the things that you as a woman were designed to do,

1485
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,119
but you know, be more in tune with your body

1486
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:45,640
and understand it, or whether you want to suppress all

1487
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,119
of those things and basically functionally live as a man.

1488
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,079
And I think, you know, I agree with you in theory,

1489
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,399
but I think you know, you look at the last

1490
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,399
election and we definitely have a work cut out for

1491
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,720
us because you have you have one major political party.

1492
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,600
You know, look at Kamala Heir Versus campaign. Her entire

1493
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,479
campaign pitch was I'm not Donald Trump and abortion rights

1494
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,640
and like that was it. Those were her only two

1495
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,920
things that she was effectively campaigning on. And it's like,

1496
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,880
you know, she got almost half the vote, you know,

1497
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,039
not quite like it was a pretty not that type

1498
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:20,000
of an election. But but you have this many people

1499
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,239
who are willing to say, yes, that is the camp.

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01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:24,199
You know, that is the message that I that I

1501
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:27,880
co sign, And so you know, that's a very different

1502
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,520
picture of womanhood than what I believe in, you know,

1503
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,399
And so that's that's a tough, a tough chasm to overcome.

1504
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,239
But we have to help women understand the beauty of

1505
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:39,399
a real femininity, not feminism, but femininity.

1506
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 2: This is very different.

1507
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 4: And that's why when you ask, it's like that is

1508
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:49,520
that is my warning is like feminism will destroy civilization.

1509
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 3: I think as we. I mean it could if women.

1510
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,159
Speaker 4: Don't understand their role and their place and not in

1511
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,439
a demeaning way, not like know your place, but know

1512
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,079
who you are and know what you were designed to do.

1513
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,479
And no, and if you choose not to have a child,

1514
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,399
or if life doesn't bring you that, that's that's fine.

1515
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,720
I mean that that's my story, you know. But I

1516
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,199
still understand what's best for society and what's best for

1517
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:17,720
civilization is for me to to.

1518
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: Kind of understand my womanhood.

1519
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 4: And as much as I am kind of what you

1520
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,920
would think like to be a liberal woman, single and

1521
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,279
independent and have a job and a house and all

1522
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:30,520
these things, it's like, yeah, but I also, you know,

1523
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:37,159
want to lean into being being a servant and being

1524
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,840
you know, what's the submissive, you know, submitting. I think

1525
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:48,600
that that really triggers women and that word submission. But

1526
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,880
when you understand it the way Christ means it and

1527
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,399
the way you submit to Christ and be submissive to Christ,

1528
01:16:58,199 --> 01:16:59,600
it puts in a whole new light.

1529
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:00,399
Speaker 3: I think.

1530
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 4: I think they're right to be triggered by that word

1531
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,359
without the understanding of what that kind of love does

1532
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:10,720
to somebody and how it transforms you to be submissive

1533
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,479
to that kind of love, and without that Christian understanding

1534
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:15,159
of submission.

1535
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: I get it. You know, you're submitting to another human,

1536
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,000
you're submitting to a man.

1537
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:24,399
Speaker 4: But the way, the way I started to change my

1538
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,520
thinking of relationship as it, you know, within Christ's boundaries

1539
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,800
and within a Christian construct, it really made me see

1540
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,399
my whole life differently.

1541
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1542
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:39,560
Speaker 1: Amen, honestly because it's not just submitting, you know. Culture

1543
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,880
has really given that a negative connotation even though it's not.

1544
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,960
But it's surrender and there's so much freedom and surrender.

1545
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: Or thank you.

1546
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,199
Speaker 4: I keep thinking, there's a wonderful article that I'd love

1547
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:52,439
for you to read, and she actually does an audio

1548
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,359
interview with Rusty Reno from First Things.

1549
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,359
Speaker 3: I haven't read the book yet, but.

1550
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 4: Her essay in First Things is called Declaration of Dependence. Okay,

1551
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,039
the Dignity of dependence a feminist manifesto, okay, and I

1552
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:12,000
think I started listening to it, and it's exactly like,

1553
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:15,800
it's this weird because America has this pick yourself up

1554
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,039
by your bootstraps independence, but that's not how we're meant

1555
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,199
to live. And I don't think that's what they actually meant.

1556
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:25,239
It was independence from tyranny, it was independence.

1557
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: From the government.

1558
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't independence from each other. It wasn't independence from men,

1559
01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:33,359
it wasn't independence from family. These are not restrictions on

1560
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:35,960
your life. These are what you were born for, and

1561
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,279
that dependence on family, on your community, on your churches.

1562
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,199
The more we move away from that, the more dystopian

1563
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:48,119
we get. And I really appreciate her framing of it.

1564
01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:52,119
She's a Catholic, so within that construct and like you said,

1565
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:56,800
that surrender, that trust of each other, I think we've

1566
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:57,319
lost that.

1567
01:18:58,319 --> 01:18:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1568
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: I'll definitely read that or listen to it, whichever way

1569
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,079
it's whichever format. So, Jennifer, I realize that we're like

1570
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:08,760
at a time here, So before I let you go,

1571
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,560
I'm just gonna hit you with rapid fire. A couple

1572
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,159
of like personal questions. So this will this will take

1573
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:19,039
us out. What is one health and beauty product you

1574
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:22,359
can't live without.

1575
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 3: Oil of any kind?

1576
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 4: Castor oil, Jehovah oil, almond oil oil, okay, oil.

1577
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:37,159
Speaker 1: Oil, just beef tallow count as oil the Greek and

1578
01:19:37,239 --> 01:19:41,439
me says no, okay, okay, fair enough. What's your favorite

1579
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:42,800
restaurant in Washington.

1580
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,239
Speaker 3: D c oh?

1581
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: I think Alma, Okay, what is that?

1582
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 4: It's an Italian restaurant. I don't know the name. I

1583
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,520
am not familiar with. I'm not very because I live

1584
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:55,079
kind of.

1585
01:19:55,079 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 2: Far parachute in you parachute in parashoot In.

1586
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 4: But it's an Italian restaurant, like an author I took Italian.

1587
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,960
But she uses no seed oils. It's very Maha friendly.

1588
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,640
Even they're Kompari. I'm a big I love Kompari. I

1589
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,960
love bits and yeah, their kampari is like not made

1590
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,600
with red dye whatever. I was like, okay, that's that's

1591
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,399
that might be a bridge too far, but it's fine.

1592
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 3: I'll take it.

1593
01:20:18,119 --> 01:20:22,199
Speaker 4: So so I do like my Negroni's and they're excellent.

1594
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: It's really good food.

1595
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 4: I don't you might have to I don't know about

1596
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,720
DC restaurants. I lived in New York for four years too.

1597
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,600
It's like, eh, compared to New York, it's like, nothing's

1598
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,000
that good.

1599
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:34,399
Speaker 2: Well, if you can find Amaha Friendly restaurant, I mean

1600
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,359
that's a that's a the rough.

1601
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: I think it's near. Gosh, there's a Whole Foods nearby.

1602
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,720
I don't know the neighborhood.

1603
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody's in DC, you can look it up

1604
01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:48,079
and find it. And Okay, you're a fitness group guru.

1605
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:49,880
What is your current favorite way to exercise?

1606
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,039
Speaker 3: Oh?

1607
01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:54,119
Speaker 4: Gosh, I hate to say it, but the peloton. It's

1608
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,279
just so convenient and I just keep up with my

1609
01:20:57,319 --> 01:20:58,319
pilates routines.

1610
01:20:59,279 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 2: Nice.

1611
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,359
Speaker 1: What is your guilty pleasure show or food? Either one

1612
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:08,439
show like a television show like television, guilty pleasure television

1613
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,880
or food? You can take it either route. I'm a lot.

1614
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't watch TV. So diet Doctor Pepper.

1615
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:19,319
Speaker 2: Oh okay, don't tell them. You had to admit that

1616
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:24,640
on the Kylie, I just lost my guard. What are

1617
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,640
you reading right now?

1618
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm reading multiple things.

1619
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,159
Speaker 2: It's your favorite thing you're reading right now?

1620
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 3: I can't even remember.

1621
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:43,399
Speaker 4: Gosh, it's a Victor Davis Hanson book.

1622
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 3: It's on citizenship.

1623
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 4: The Dying Say the dying say Yes, Victor Davis Hanson.

1624
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,199
It's taken me a while to get through it because

1625
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:55,800
I'm simultaneously reading a fiction book. I need good ideas,

1626
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,560
So someone please send me ideas for good fiction book.

1627
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 3: I read too much like Maha health stuff. It's not good.

1628
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:04,119
Speaker 2: It gets you in that spiral. Yeah, you gotta get

1629
01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:05,119
out of that, and.

1630
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 4: Then you really dart to do. Start thinking like everything

1631
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:08,640
I do is bad for me.

1632
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna die tomorrow.

1633
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:13,079
Speaker 1: Yes, not a good place to be. Yeah, that's when

1634
01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:14,920
you crack a diet, doctor Pepper and just take a.

1635
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,119
Speaker 3: Deep less and take a breath.

1636
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well everybody else should be reading

1637
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,039
Jennifer Galardi's work everywhere, but she's got a lot of

1638
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:24,800
stuff published at The Federalist. Definitely check it out. Jennifer,

1639
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,439
thank you so much for your time today. It was

1640
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,439
really awesome sitting down with you and just picking your

1641
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,680
brain and hearing more of your story. Truly a pleasure,

1642
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:31,800
and I hope to have you back again.

1643
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:34,279
Speaker 3: I would love it. Kylie, this was so much fun,

1644
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:35,359
so easy to talk to.

1645
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: You always always, thank you so much. For tuning into

1646
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,439
this week's episode of The Kylie Cast. I will be

1647
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,680
right back here next week with more so until then,

1648
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,520
just remember the truths.

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Speaker 2: But it won't kiel Y