1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:35,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:39,159 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we 3 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,280 are going to bring you this week's episode of The 4 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:46,119 Big Story. But first I want to encourage you. If 5 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,920 you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite 6 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,119 podcast software. I also want to encourage you to check 7 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,759 out our other podcast, and today I am highlighting the 8 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:01,200 old time radio snack Wagon. As you might know, this 9 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,519 July Mark's the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of the 10 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,319 United States, and we have a special six week mini 11 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:14,040 series of programs about America that we will be featuring 12 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,680 and you can check that out out at snackwagon dot 13 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,480 net or wherever you get your podcast from. But now, 14 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:27,359 from November eighth, nineteen fifty, here is Bobby Socks hustling. 15 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: The Big Story. Okay, guys, least up. Come on. We 16 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:48,120 only get two blocks to row the bust down. Nobody's waking. 17 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,319 Speaker 3: Come on, Come on at faf to two. I'm on 18 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,799 the front since four pm, even the buses times. 19 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,719 Speaker 4: Come on, guys, come on out. 20 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,159 Speaker 3: I'm too back at the Come on in fifteen minutes 21 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,439 since I get what are you trying. 22 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 4: We have to go, but no, you have to get stuck, 23 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,199 need to get it changed. 24 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: What do you do? 25 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,319 Speaker 4: And I sure ain't gonna even get. 26 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 5: A New York City, New York The story of a 27 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,599 city editor who uncovered one of the most vicious crime 28 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,439 syndicates in history and knew he'd only touched the surface. 29 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,360 New York City. The story is that actually happened? Paul 30 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Schoenstein's story as he lived it. 31 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:58,439 Speaker 6: The story of the two Bobby Foxes who had shot, killed, 32 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,240 and robbed the bus driver on East Fremont Avenue. That 33 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:05,039 was one of several in this series that got you going, 34 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:09,960 Paul showing scenes, city editor of the General Americans. That 35 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:12,919 and the story of the wolf girl Pact None. 36 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: No. 37 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 6: Twenty who snatched first tour clothes and killed when pursed 38 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,319 in the corner. That and the woman who ran an 39 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,199 uptown knight spot and who gased with a last breast. 40 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: That bunch. 41 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 7: They say they're going to give you a break of 42 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:32,680 your pay in a mist, so you pay them, then 43 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:39,840 they do this. You you hood fick your pots with 44 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,120 a snap. 45 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 6: That determined you, Faul showing scenes to get to the 46 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,039 core of these horrors, you called Jim Huran and Leon 47 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:56,759 Rock in the Europae. Both of them were reporters, both 48 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:01,240 men like you, who are after the fact. Rock a 49 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,879 big rowbond man who has been assigned to the Bobby 50 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,759 Doctors selling. 51 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: They picked up the two kids. 52 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,319 Speaker 6: They were hiding out on the most obvious hide out 53 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:12,599 in the world, a friend's place, and well, come on, Leane, 54 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:14,479 come on, I want to know what's going on here. 55 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,079 They pretty the juvenile authorities will take care of the 56 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:17,959 two girls, all right. 57 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: The real point is why they did it. 58 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 6: These are just two or ten thousand kids running around 59 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,959 the city with crazy ideas in there, all right? Why 60 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,279 some dame woman named Marie something fantastic, mysterious, exotic, who 61 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,759 knows what else. He's behind them some way. All right, Leon, 62 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,639 lets your assign them get Marie. You got a week 63 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,959 come back with the answers. Leon Rock smiles a smile 64 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:42,360 that you know is calling you on names of being 65 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,560 such a tough nuts, but a smile at the same 66 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:48,560 time at the desk. If the stuffs get a home, 67 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,279 he'll get it. If you turn to Huran, who has 68 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:53,879 by now pound it out, I'll leave that. 69 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: Victoria. 70 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: Well let me hear it. Jim, it's a. 71 00:04:55,759 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 6: Little rough, all right, kill it ruber, rampant white slavery 72 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,680 with virtual children as the vice slaves, drug dens, sale 73 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,560 of marijuana, heroine, and soap games. That's a good idea, Jim, 74 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,680 but it won't work. What's a metapor It just sounds sensational, 75 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,560 big talk. I want the facts, every single detail of 76 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:15,800 this thing found out, nailed down prints. There could be 77 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,639 a lot of trouble, and I want names, name, the 78 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,720 responsibility to play where it belongs. I can make it 79 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,519 pretty high, get pretty high up. That's exactly the idea, exactly. 80 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,319 So begins an investigation in the crime and the greatest 81 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:36,240 city in the world. It begins in a bar uptown 82 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,519 about a minute to four four o'clock in the morning, 83 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,000 just before legal clothing times. And you're there, Paul Shawenstein 84 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,000 with Jim Huran playing a role as an out of town. 85 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: What do you have? Uh, give me a double? 86 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,879 Speaker 6: It's four o'clock, brothers. Now, maybe your watch is fast, 87 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Come on, give us two doubles. 88 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,399 Speaker 2: Oh no, my watch keeps very good time. Why don't 89 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:03,000 you came in? I don't know. Walk around the corner. 90 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:07,040 Stop at one seven. That's your place. They never heard 91 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:07,480 of clock. 92 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,959 Speaker 6: One thirty seven is just the room with just a 93 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:28,079 man and the table, just the bottle and two blacks 94 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,040 and no clock. 95 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: Give us the double. Okay, hey, what are they putting 96 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:42,680 these bottles? 97 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:45,879 Speaker 2: You around? Here? For you? 98 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,399 Speaker 8: I ain't a question, so say they call me partty boy? 99 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:54,720 Oh that night I send you two walking around? Then 100 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,519 you're wondering finally seen you come in. Then you waste 101 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,879 your money if you're me on the hill like no, 102 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,800 the stuff's good as good as any after our place, 103 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,399 And what I mean is mostly an out of town. 104 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,560 I would order himself a double set under the rope, 105 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:12,439 would order himself a shortage the shorty in the question 106 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,319 what's the shorty? You get yourself a triple drink and 107 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560 pay the price of a double. Oh, what's the question? 108 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,600 That's something you ask and I answered, it's gotta be interested. 109 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,279 Speaker 2: What do you have? 110 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 6: I'll take a shorty and I'll ask a question. Body 111 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,040 boy leads away. You just start up a miserable straight 112 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,279 stop at a miserable staircase. And as for a house 113 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:41,920 or a miserable hall, the shade are drawn and the 114 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:45,600 doors are closed, and the muffled music can't be heard 115 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:54,639 from the streets, but inside inside the conic. Second, that 116 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,600 does dancy stuff. Take a look around. Anything you see 117 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:01,439 looks like it might be lucky. 118 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:02,959 Speaker 4: You just not at it. 119 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: Fuck, you didn't ask the question, didn't you? You might 120 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:08,040 need a little. 121 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 6: Luck for the answers, the luck of Bobby Toots, kids 122 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,800 like a duo killed a bus driver, up some lazily 123 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:20,439 dancing others. Just stand and wait those two of the 124 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,879 role you're playing you Paul shown sins nod at a 125 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,839 smoky eyed redhead and Jim Duran indicates that thousand blonds 126 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:32,799 maybe eighteen that's. 127 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: Going inside of the questioning the place still be around that. 128 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,919 Speaker 2: Point. It even betook five to get fire. 129 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 6: Not just a roving dice game, not just the corner 130 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,120 of a wall with a tough guy cutting competents. 131 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,759 Speaker 2: Of the house, but a layout as elaborate. 132 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 6: And spank as anything in the same sporting clubs all 133 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,559 over the country. 134 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 4: And then, oh, play the dice, mister, play the dice. 135 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:10,919 Speaker 2: That's what I love. The dice. Here, Doris, my name 136 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,120 is alone. 137 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 6: There, a thousand blonde and the smoky eyed redhead. They're 138 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:17,879 there standing there next to you. 139 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 9: Oh daddy, I'm a drinking Let's. 140 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: Play the dice here. 141 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 6: This is the professional little kids that ought to be 142 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,879 at home in bed, half crocked on the cut Gins 143 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,360 I promising everything in the world and telling you and 144 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,240 their childish voice, I. 145 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,159 Speaker 2: Tell you, daddy, I'm the luckiest thing in the world. 146 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: I'm dying here the work on a commissioned basin. Now, 147 00:09:57,919 --> 00:10:00,159 that didn't cost you too much, Gin, I mean that 148 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:00,720 much fun? 149 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: Well, no party, boy, I know it was science. Well 150 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:06,600 you know where to go in the future anyhow, Introductions. 151 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: Are always a little bit expensive. Yeah, well, how how 152 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,039 do you get these girls? I just told you you 153 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:12,759 point at them? 154 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:13,759 Speaker 2: I don't know. 155 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,879 Speaker 4: I mean, where did they come from? I wouldn't know 156 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,559 that that. 157 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 8: He might concern especially interested in doing. Who ate if 158 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:23,799 that's the truth? In that case, you ought to tie 159 00:10:23,879 --> 00:10:32,600 up with Marie. Marie again, Marie, one. 160 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 6: Of the places you've started from and now one of 161 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:36,639 the places you've come back to. 162 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,919 Speaker 2: One of the big names together with Big. 163 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,799 Speaker 6: Joe Katterson, a tectives together with Lennox's, Avenue's tom hotels 164 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:48,320 with rooms for rents. One of the big names you're after. 165 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,720 Leon Rock has a special look on his face. It's 166 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,360 four days since he went out from Marie. Oh, we've 167 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,559 really got hers. He's had twenty seven different hideouts in 168 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,120 the last year. 169 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, where is you know? No information at all. 170 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 6: He works through the high schools, recruits the kids in 171 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,759 some class and met kids to colonizeer for us, brings 172 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:08,600 the girl after class and one of Marie's hideouts, and 173 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,279 that's where it begins. 174 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: And you've got no immediate lead. 175 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 6: Well, justice, He's supposed to be moving into Phillips High School. 176 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: Yea. 177 00:11:19,919 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 6: The high school lies flat in the middle of an 178 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:27,320 area where ten percent of the houses have outside fatas stations, 179 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:29,759 and we have two and three families live in a 180 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,679 space where one could live. And the features perhaps the 181 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:36,240 most harrassed human beings are Earth co. 182 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 9: Operate, sure our co operations to jelling steam. I've talked 183 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,720 to police, civic leads, the form organizations of District of 184 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:46,679 Caning classics. I'd be glad to talk to you or 185 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,279 anyone else. 186 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 6: Well, just the second attempt, and I here, I know 187 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,639 there have been a lot of tries and a lot 188 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,879 of slobs. The way to go about this thing, well, 189 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:55,799 if we think so, is one thing at a time. 190 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:57,919 Speaker 2: We want Marie I. 191 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 9: Think if I ever thought that would, if I ever 192 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,320 came face to face to the right kidder. But see, 193 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,519 I've been hit you. The poor girl my cluss like what? Oh, 194 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,159 I don't have words to say it. Every foul thing 195 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:10,960 you can imagine. 196 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: Where is she operating from? 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 6: Now? 198 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:13,399 Speaker 2: This Marie? 199 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 9: I got hold of two girls diaries that got in 200 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,639 to school to show off to each other what they 201 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,080 were doing. 202 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 4: I got one of the girls. She had little sense left, 203 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,039 and she told. 204 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,519 Speaker 9: Me there was a place in East one hundred and 205 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,480 fourteenth teece. 206 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: But that's the last progress I ever heard of. 207 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for Punton, Thank you very much. 208 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 6: It's not very hard because the diary entry is very recent, 209 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:43,519 and the house is there, and the apartment, and you 210 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:45,519 and Leon Rock are at the door. 211 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 4: Can I help you? 212 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: Well, we'd like to talk to you, Marie. Oh have 213 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,279 we met? No, you're a well known woman, that's all. 214 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,919 Speaker 4: I'm beginning not to like what I hear. 215 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: What do you think you hear? That's you? 216 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: Okay, Sam, You're not coming in home, but. 217 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: We are Marie. 218 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:06,759 Speaker 8: Coming here? 219 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? You do that? Do that? Will you? In the meantime, 220 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 we'll kind of look around. 221 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 6: They tell me Marie, is this the place where you 222 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,440 make high school girls into seas? There are a nine room, 223 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,279 I meid the swallow of the rest of the neighborhood. 224 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:25,120 Marie's place is a palace, indirect lighting, oriental rugs on 225 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,279 the floor, and the bathroom's done an onyx and gold pain, 226 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,440 A real little paradise conjured up out of the brain 227 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,320 of one Marie. 228 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:38,159 Speaker 4: Joe says, to tell you to be sure to stick around. 229 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,559 Oh big Joe, Joe keatsines, uh huh. You know, I 230 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,679 like the way you do it, Marie. 231 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 6: You get them out of those sinking holes they live 232 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,519 in ordinarily with the outside plumbing. You give them a 233 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,200 social club, music, the room of their own, a little 234 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,480 of the feel of the good light. 235 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: Joe also says, it don't matter whether you say or not, 236 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:57,200 you won't get yes. 237 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 6: If you're head here getting used to the good lights, 238 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,240 maybe getting fifteen dollars in the pocket too. Give him 239 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,720 a tape for good liquor, and then show up. How 240 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,039 easy to keep going top your head off? Then all 241 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,720 I got to do is show up in want a party, 242 00:14:08,759 --> 00:14:12,440 boy's places or somewhere else nice rolling gambling joints. Whether 243 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,759 it bring you Lucky dys or twenty one or Chuck 244 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:17,399 a Lot or whatever or ten percent of the house 245 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,159 to say, what are you one of them reformers? And 246 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:25,919 that's only the beginning. First to steer and then anything grows. Yeah, 247 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:30,320 it's very nice, Marie, it's real democratic. Any girl can 248 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,519 rise to the top of the heap. 249 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: Why do you think you can tag human nature? 250 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,159 Speaker 2: It's kind of set up. 251 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,639 Speaker 10: All all with the around mister, you won't. 252 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,879 Speaker 4: She's got something there that's terribly profound. True. 253 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:52,519 Speaker 6: It's not only poverty sending them in situations like this 254 00:14:53,399 --> 00:15:01,840 is what Marie called human nature. Well, you're getting somewhere, 255 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:06,759 you and Jim Muran and Leon Ross something besides editorial 256 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,279 age the facts. And as you walk back to your 257 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,840 hotel that you set up as headquarters because home isn't 258 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:19,360 the safest place on earth, there's a note waiting voice, 259 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,559 I stop now while I can't. After all, you can't 260 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:30,840 change human nature. Sign Joe Big Joe Catterson talking philosophy 261 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:34,679 and with a subtle threaten in your hands. You know 262 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:39,000 you're getting somewhere. You start again tomorrow to go beneath 263 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:43,440 the surface, beneath the incredible horror of the surface. That 264 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:44,919 you've only touched. 265 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: This is Sary Harris returning it to your marriedor, and 266 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,200 the big story of Paul Showen Steve as he lived 267 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,519 it and broughte it. 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: You're after the story of Bike in the City. 269 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 6: You make your home, Paul Shawn Stein Bike in New 270 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,039 York City, and it's big and infinite and sprawling. 271 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Is the city itself. 272 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,639 Speaker 6: Because you've touched on Pot one lequer and Pot two 273 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,240 gambling and Pot three girls, Pot four rats, was now surprised. 274 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:39,480 And so you sit now with Jim Huran and Leon Rock, 275 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,600 reporters who have gone all the way with you and 276 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:44,720 planned the answer to the threat. 277 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: Okay, first we run the editorial, then we have the 278 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:49,720 theory with Jim. I know you'd figure out something like that. 279 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: There's no figuring involved. It's the only thing you can do. 280 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,200 We'll try editorials and while they're running, we'll work up 281 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,320 the rest of us. I picked the right guys for 282 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:01,080 the gub. The rest is right. Joe Keattison, Letnix have 283 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:09,359 it a come. We've got all the leads. Part one 284 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,000 and two and three and four have been comparatively easy. 285 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,599 What you want now are the men behind the Dyke 286 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Games the steers, the Marie, the pody tries, the men 287 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:24,359 who put in the fa You're the guy I gotta 288 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,440 see the prims. Well, I want over the club. I 289 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,000 want a night place with a good appointments. Leting low down, 290 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,480 it's still the peens. Marie said you were the guy 291 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,079 I should see because she's working with me. I never 292 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,799 heard of Marie. But if you want a place, I'll 293 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,960 draw you up, Alice. All I know about mister is 294 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:51,480 I own the place. You go through a lot of motions. 295 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:54,160 Now one of the boys on the paper comes in 296 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,519 to decorate the place. You spend one of your night 297 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,680 men to talk terms of the landlord about the bar 298 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:02,599 that's going to run the whole length of the flight. 299 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:08,519 You make arrangements with Fear Company, a spectly legitimate operations. 300 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,880 Yet see, and in time the man you've been waiting 301 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,680 for shows up. You're a little surprise. 302 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,839 Speaker 4: That's who it is. It's gonna be a nice place. Well, 303 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,640 party boy, Well what brings you to the second of. 304 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:27,039 Speaker 8: The world bar in the bank stables? Out of here 305 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,039 little space for dancing? I hear you rented the rooms 306 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,400 upstairs too. Hey, you get around, don't you? 307 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,039 Speaker 2: You know? 308 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 6: First some of the boys were worried. But I got 309 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,920 a message for you, Big Joe says. It will be 310 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,920 one hundred dollars a week with start protection. Joe said 311 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,519 he didn't like the way he talked with Marie. 312 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:46,519 Speaker 4: That was an event time. He didn't know what you 313 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:46,960 were after. 314 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,559 Speaker 2: He says, one hundred to start. Well, I'll be glad 315 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:50,319 to meet with Joe. 316 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 8: Sesay's fine, he says, tonight by a little before eleven 317 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,599 at my place. 318 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 11: You tell Joe, I said, fine, huh you you went 319 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,480 on this come it's my place you're moving into, didn't 320 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:13,599 you know? And this here is Buster? Oh, well, where's Joe. 321 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,039 Buster's Joe. He's as good as Joe anyhow, well, look, 322 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:19,599 I want to see Joe. I don't want to get 323 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,240 around with with what Well, I want to talk with 324 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:22,880 Joe direct. 325 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 8: You know, I thought for a minute maybe you were 326 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,680 going to say you didn't want to kit around with 327 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:26,480 small time. 328 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:28,519 Speaker 4: Buster wouldn't like that, would you. 329 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: Buster. 330 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:32,079 Speaker 4: Buster ain't a guy that talks a lot. 331 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: But he don't like it. 332 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 4: I can tell just by looking at him. 333 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: Whoa. 334 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 6: Look, there's no heart healing or anything like that. Fuck, 335 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:44,960 have a drink, Go ahead, I'll have a shorty, shorty 336 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:52,680 butter invention, all right, So so accept that, huh, I 337 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:55,559 move in in about three weeks. Fixtures are all lined up. 338 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,079 I think the places are ready about the end. It's 339 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,440 one hundred a week, one hundred and fifties. You said 340 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:00,839 one hundred. 341 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,519 Speaker 8: That was before before what There's a couple of things 342 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,920 Joe was asking a couple of questions about that though, 343 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:08,480 For instance, where you're from, who your buddies? 344 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: How do we know you ain't Tony? Here guy? Cases 345 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,400 of town. 346 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 6: The guy lines up all the money, he's got, all 347 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,599 the lukesh. He goes step by step finding just what 348 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,519 he wants. Gets a good after our setup, get this 349 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,680 game room lined up, get his girls of steers coming 350 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:21,839 in smooth, makes his number connections. 351 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: All he needs is to fix And you guys put 352 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:30,000 the squeeze on him. What do you think buster all 353 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:32,920 right doing? You got your six for one hundred and sixty? 354 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,079 Speaker 8: Ye? 355 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,039 Speaker 4: Close, too close? 356 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,599 Speaker 6: You're getting too the heart of it now because those 357 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,400 three type faced him that i'd men body boy and 358 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:51,160 my next avenue, Tom and Fuss represented Joe Kattison. Any 359 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,079 one of them would have knocked you out easier than 360 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,440 knocking out a cigarette. You know that this has gone 361 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:02,279 beyond the newspaper stage, like your wife, your homes, your life, 362 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,480 your job, too much and anything else would the steward side. 363 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:09,400 I've been expecting you for a long time, mister Johnston. 364 00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:12,680 It's the District Attorney of New York comedy, the solid, 365 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:16,319 substantial thought of a man, and you're doubly glass. 366 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,799 Speaker 2: You came well, I don't know how much over laughing. 367 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:21,519 Speaker 6: We've done the District Attorney a good deal, I'm sure, 368 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:24,119 but you go ahead anyway. Well, we have got the 369 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,319 party boys set up pretty well in hand, and we 370 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,160 know all about Marie. Marie, yeah, Marie, face to face 371 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,000 with Marie and Fries and diary statements from girls and pelves. 372 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,599 Speaker 2: Not too much over laughing. You've done a lot better 373 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,119 than we have. 374 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,079 Speaker 6: And in the Landlord of the Places through love to 375 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,240 have the Thomas Department General go between ings party boy again. 376 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,920 You kid really get to rhymes and buster the payoffs, 377 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,880 the fix, the protection, Oh yeah, numbers. But I never 378 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,039 got to Joe, big Joe. Well we got the big 379 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Jopoe's a big Joe. We got the inside on police 380 00:21:58,319 --> 00:21:59,279 draft and what is. 381 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: In fact integral part of the whole crime set up. 382 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:05,559 Speaker 6: Well, then I think I've a both played out my usefulness. 383 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:08,319 I wouldn't say that at all. We can stage the 384 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,759 rest easy, pick up this one and that one. But 385 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,359 in the end, these lights have a saying it can't 386 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:18,279 change human nature. Yeah, I've heard it, meaning close up 387 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,720 one place, another will open right next door. Stop one 388 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:21,920 hop joint, another will. 389 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:23,839 Speaker 4: Spring up down the Bluff's a tough thing to change. 390 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,880 That's where you come in. 391 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 6: If you can make this stuff live, get it so 392 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:29,839 people will see it in terms of their own daughter, 393 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,920 their own sons, the price they have to pay for 394 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,240 this thing that hangs over our city. I wrote an edatory, 395 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,920 run it run a series of them, not just high 396 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,799 and mighty talk big words, but down the earth human 397 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,680 translation of this stuff in terms of people, ordinary people. 398 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: If you do that, That's what I'm in visits for. 399 00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:56,920 And then it began. 400 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,839 Speaker 6: Not since the days of al Capone, the days of 401 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:08,319 Lucky Luciana, have the facts been poured out. There are 402 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,119 dens in this city where a man or woman can 403 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,839 drink for twenty four hours out of twenty four drink 404 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,000 and gamble and anything else he wants. 405 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: It is easier to get into most of the institutions 406 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,720 of vices in New York City than. 407 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: It is to get into Downtown's more exclusive restaurants. 408 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,559 Speaker 6: There are operators in this city who openly boast of 409 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:40,039 being able to buy any beliefman from inspector down. And 410 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,000 as the articles drawl out, the public reacts and the 411 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,200 ta move. One hundred and four more arrested in vice 412 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,720 trades over the weekend. Total now two hundred and ninety 413 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:56,200 three found up includes leaders of greatest Wife combined says 414 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:58,119 Lucky Luciano went to tails. 415 00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: All right now. Total three hundred white group match. 416 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 6: You see them in the lineup in the Thas office, 417 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:24,480 party Boy and Duchess who runs one of the dance palaces, 418 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,680 Marie Frank Kashek hop joint owners, Freddy Vadasher and Lennox 419 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,799 Avenue Tom hotel keepers who rent rooms for parties. And finally, 420 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:39,799 Buster and Big Joe Catism three hundred men and women 421 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,720 who have preyed on menus three hundred who have made 422 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,519 a living out of the poverty and anxiety and the 423 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,599 desires of ordinary people. Three hundred human sultures brought to 424 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,480 the only rightful ness for this kind of bird of prey, 425 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,119 the lock up, the jail, facing your jack. 426 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 5: Now we read you that telegram from Paul Schoenstein of 427 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:14,440 the New York Journal. 428 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 6: Americans of the three hundred arrested and the vice clean up, 429 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,519 many were convicted and received lengthy sentences. Vice in New 430 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:23,960 York received a severe setback, but as any honest reporter knows, 431 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,599 it has by no means ended. But at least we 432 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,039 cut the surface. We set a foundation for future investigations, 433 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,160 future campaigns against the many thousands who still prey on 434 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:42,880 New York millions. In order to protect the names of 435 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,759 people actually involved in the night's pothetic big story, the 436 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,319 names of all characters who drum the station were changed, 437 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,039 with the exception of the newspaper reporter. This is the 438 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,359 United States Armed Forces Radio Surface, the Voice of Information 439 00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:58,240 and Education. 440 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:15,559 Speaker 1: Well, let's start off with our cast list. Walter Griza 441 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:22,039 played Paul Schoenstein, and also in the cast Pat Hawsley, Grace, 442 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:30,119 Kenny Joan, Alexander Mandel, Kramer, Nat Poland, Gill Mack, Grant Richards, 443 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,640 and George Petrie. Now of note, this is another episode 444 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,880 where Petree plays the district attorney. In this case the 445 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,480 district Attorney in New York City. I think this is 446 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,119 the second or third episode we've come across where he's 447 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:51,039 played the DA in The Big Story. So uh, maybe 448 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,160 working on follow of it's got him typecast a little bit, 449 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,880 though I wouldn't take that too far. This is still 450 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,759 very much and in ensemble show, and of the male actors, 451 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,240 we've heard four episodes with them in the lead, Petree, 452 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200 Grant Richards and Nat Poland this is the first time 453 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,920 we've heard Grisa in the lead, but he's been a 454 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:21,079 supporting player in several episodes now. Showing Stein's an interesting 455 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:26,519 profile in that he was an assistant editor with people 456 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,799 working under him, which is a very different situation now. 457 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,839 These stories behind the Big Story website were not able 458 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,599 to identify story in question because showing Stein worked for 459 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,680 the New York Journal American, which has not had its 460 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:52,559 archives digitized. The newspapers on microfilm in three different cities, 461 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,519 New York, Washington, and Austin, so it's very hard to research. 462 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 And showing Stein was with the paper for quite a 463 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:06,799 long time, and other newspapers didn't report on things, you know, 464 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,079 the investigative reports being uncovered by rival papers. So you 465 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,640 can't actually check the Daily News or the New York 466 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:23,079 Times to find out what exactly showing Stein uncovered. Doctor 467 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,880 Web speculates it is likely that it is a composite 468 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,720 of vice raids and police corruption stories in the mid 469 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,440 thirties related to the operations of Dutch Schultz and Lucky Luciana. 470 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,920 I think you do have a sense in the episode 471 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,680 that it was trying to walk a fine line. On 472 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,480 one hand, they were trying to comply with the expectations 473 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,759 for radio broadcast in nineteen fifty. On the other hand, 474 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,519 you get the sense that there were some things going 475 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,400 on that were quite untoward that they can only hint 476 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,319 about on radio, And so there was this tension between 477 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,519 having a complete story and maintaining a sense of good taste. 478 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,480 All right, listener comments and feedback. Now, and we go 479 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,559 to Spotify and we have a comment regarding the episode 480 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,039 Death in the Family. Wow, you accidentally skipped this last week. 481 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640 I almost wish you would have skipped it this week too, 482 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,680 But it makes me appreciate my kids way more. Well, 483 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,279 thanks so much, and I do appreciate that, you know. 484 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,039 I think that it is the challenge with these series 485 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,240 that kind of do have a bit of a true 486 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,039 crime element, and I'll be honest, I'm not usually a 487 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,319 fan of that genre of podcasts now, no disrespect to 488 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,839 anybody who works on those podcasts or enjoys them. It's 489 00:30:54,119 --> 00:31:02,359 just personal tolerances. Series like The Big Story, Dragnat Tales 490 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,279 of the Texas Rangers are fascinating because they tell stories 491 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,799 that are at least based on true life incidents. But 492 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,599 sometimes these series can hit a lot harder than your 493 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,079 typical fiction series because of the effort to portray the 494 00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:26,079 real life event. And I definitely have had more episodes 495 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,440 that have made me personally feel that way since I 496 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,880 became a dad. So it's a balancing act and I 497 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,319 definitely appreciate where you're coming from. Well, now we turn 498 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,519 to YouTube and we have comments on the same story, 499 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,839 starting with Jeffrey, seems kind of a long sentence for 500 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,880 a manslaughter conviction. Killing her kids should have landed her 501 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,640 a horsher sentence with manslaughter. I bet she would have 502 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,559 gotten out after a few years. Well, thanks for the comment, Jeffrey, 503 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,599 and I should clarify what the real life sentence was 504 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,799 that she He was actually convicted on two counts. She 505 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:10,440 was convicted for second degree murder of her daughter and 506 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,960 manslaughter for the killing of her husband. So she was 507 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:18,359 convicted of murder and manslaughter now for the killing of 508 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,799 the son. The Stories behind the Big Story website states 509 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:31,599 that the judge dismissed those charges and I assume on 510 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,160 some sort of technical grounds, and she was sentenced to 511 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,920 life imprisonment, which on its face is a pretty severe sentence, 512 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,079 although there's often the possibility of parole, although I couldn't 513 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,240 find any information on whether she had been paroled, and 514 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:53,799 certainly eight years later she was still in prison at 515 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,519 the time that the Big Story episode aired and then 516 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,440 red Sox Fans zero nine zero seven. But we still 517 00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:07,799 don't know how the fire started, a terrific point. We 518 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,400 don't and even the Stories behind the Big Story website 519 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,759 notes that she told the story to the police that 520 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,640 her husband killed the kids, tried to kill her, and 521 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,119 started the fire. But the website doesn't specify how the 522 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,839 fire was started, and it could have been set intentionally 523 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,720 by her in hopes of covering up evidence. It could 524 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:42,279 have happened accidentally while she was attacking her husband and 525 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,839 he was trying to defend himself, and I guess for 526 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,319 the sake of the criminal case, it didn't matter much. 527 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,160 But yeah, it's definitely a curious open question for a 528 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,240 radio listener. Well, now it's time to think. 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We will be back next Tuesday 537 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,079 with another episode of The Big Story, but join us 538 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,000 back here tomorrow for Broadways my bait where you. 539 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 12: Understand it's quite a privileged, our private little part. And 540 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,599 I must say, miss Hope said, she availed herself up 541 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,440 a part to rally for what reasons? I shudder to think, Why, 542 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,119 mister Flemon, why do you shudder? Well, after all, it 543 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,639 is rather desirable to maintain residents here in Gramercy. I 544 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,760 could hill you waiting list year's long lived here. Of 545 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,119 course she lived here, but so sporadically. Weeks on weeks 546 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:09,599 would go by with her apartment standing forlorn, empty, lonely. 547 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,719 You're saying, mister Clement, that she lived here, but didn't 548 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,519 only use this as a mailing address. I've hear in 549 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,800 a kind of phone service, or what reason you shut 550 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,880 her quiet to see? Her mail box is filled with 551 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:30,039 uncalled for levers from a doctor hosted relative, given from 552 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,239 the apartment stores, book clubs, and these phone methods. This 553 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,719 man has been calling for three days now. I keep 554 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920 telling him Miss Linn isn't in leaves his number, not 555 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,159 his name, of course, no one else to give it to. 556 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,960 Now he is there, show me her apartment, mister clem, 557 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,280 I did like to do. It's one of our most desirable. 558 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,360 Now I'm free to inform the management that which one isn't. 559 00:35:51,039 --> 00:36:02,800 Just down the hall here we are, Oh what a mess, 560 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,599 what a frightful mess, dis arrayed, the things left about, 561 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,519 These stains on our. 562 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 10: Carpets, bloodstains, mister f Yeah, that kind of steam. That 563 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,519 means you must have been here when she here in 564 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,079 Gramercy Park on first of the phone. 565 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: Ope you'll be with us then in the meantime, send 566 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,760 your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, Follow 567 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,480 us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out 568 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:38,039 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from Boise Aldohol. 569 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,480 This is your host, Adam Graham. Sign and off.