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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's

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your source of information and analysis to help you win

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your fantasy hockey league. Block off hot a step hit on,

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Stay Lock. Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nuno.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live back once again. Jesse Severe, Pain Tracks,

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Victor Nuno, the Fantasy Hockey actor.

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Speaker 3: Victor.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 4: H I am doing awesome, Jesse.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Good Man? Good doing great today? Ready to talk some

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fantasy hockey once again? I already said once again, so

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people already know it. The fact that I said once

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again instead of just once tells you that there have

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been past episodes of the show, actually quite a few

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of them. Victor, here's my question for you today. The

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media streaming situation in hockey is getting weird right now.

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These local stations. I think I'm worried that all pro

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sports are going to collapse under the weight of all

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these different changes, like these little local things going out

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of business. At least right now, on ESPN, I can

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watch everything, and I think in Canada, can't they watch

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it all on Amazon or something like that, so we

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can hope, but it's still propped up and the salary

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caps propped up by these weird things. Victor, is this

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the This is the type of thing I think about

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in August, because what the heck am I going to

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think about? And I'm in salary league, so I care

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about these things. But do you have an opinion on

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any of this?

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Speaker 4: I don't really. I get it, like there's a lot

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of changes and shifts that are happening, but the reality

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is that I'm going to do whatever I need to

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do to watch the game, so I don't really care,

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and lucky, I'm fortunate enough that I can do whatever

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is necessary. Of course, there's things like on Hockey TV,

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where you can get a stream of just about any

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hockey game anywhere in the world if you want. And

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it's a little buggy and you have to deal with

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pop ups and things like that, but you can find

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in stream any show you want there or anything. Of course,

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we advocate paying for the service whatever you need to

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do to make it legit, and that's what I will

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do no matter what. It would be nice if it

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was a little bit easier. I remember back in the

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day when we had NHL Tonight and it was it

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was just it just felt like it was easier for me,

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and I had an easy subscription to just get all

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the hockey in I want. It seems like it's a

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little bit more complicated now and that's annoying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, Victor, if you want to have any

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kind of philosophical conversation from the future of NHL finances

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to what is the sound of one hand clapping in

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our Buddhist room? In the Fantasy Hokeey Life discord, you can.

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All you have to do is join it. And to

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the time to join in. It's free, so it's just

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a chance. There's a couple several hundred people at this point,

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Speaker 2: You right back to talk or a special guests. We

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welcome to the show, Patrick Johnston of the Province in Vancouver, Son,

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ready to talk some Canucks.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Patrick, Great guys, great to be back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's great to have you back, and it's great

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to be talking Canucks here in the still the late

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form of the summer. I always try not to be

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a downer in these introductions, but I got to say

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it had to be a bit of a disappointing season

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for Canucks followers. They went from the top six in

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the league in goals for and fewest goals against, the

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bottom half of the league in both, one of the

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lowest shot totals in the league. Only a slightly above

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average shooting percentage kept them respectable scores. But one piece

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of news awesome penalty kill. Aside from that, controversies the

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guys we're gonna be talking about the guys who but JT.

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Miller not so much, and then the Calgary Flames. This

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team would have been in contention after all that if

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they would have been in the East, but not at

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the bottom of the brutal Western Conference. Made a few

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moves in the offseason, none monumental, and mostly paid up

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for their current players. And we'll get to all the

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can the Canucks get back to the playoffs this year?

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What is their trajectory? What do you make of that season? Patrick?

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Speaker 3: Going into the season before twenty three to twenty four,

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the season that ended with them winning the division title

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for the first time in a decade, playing a fantastic

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series against the Edmonton Oilers in the second round, looking

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like everything was coming together for them, even with the

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late season injury or early I should say early playoff

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injury that Thattri Demco, some struggles for Elias Petterson, you

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still thought this was a team that was going places,

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that they were gonna bay, that they certainly would be

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a playoff team. There was a bit of question matter,

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I think whether they would repeat as Division champions just

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because they are in the same division as the Edmonton

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Oilers in the Vegas Golden Knights. I mean, you could

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look over the horizon then see the Kings coming. But

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still you're like, this was a team that's gonna be

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a good team. They're gonna be fun, They'll be fun

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to watch, certainly obviously fun to cover. And before that

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twenty twenty three, sorry, twenty three to twenty four season,

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Jim Rutherford had said, we need everything to go right

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for us to be a playoff game. He was trying

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to tamp and down, which is expectations, which in this

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market is the right thing to do, because this team

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since the Mike Gillis era, has stumbled around the dark

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and not done very much. And there's a lot of

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behind the roof seasons reasons that are there that are

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not interesting for your audience, but a lot of it

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was self imposed, self inflicted damage. And since Rutherford and

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his career have come in the midway through the twenty

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one twenty two season, the ships looked right and it's

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put in the right direction, but nonetheless, coming into the

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twenty three twenty four season, they hadn't made the playoffs

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since that twenty twenty bubble run, when at that time

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it looked like they were about to turn the corner

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and then didn't. He was just being realistic. Hey, guys, listen,

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we haven't made the playoffs. We haven't done anything. Let's

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be realistic. Making the playoffs is hard. And then they

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completely annihilated the whole premise last year. In hindsight, in

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the end, it was the opposite. Everything went wrong. They

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couldn't make anything go right. They struggled. They had actually

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a pretty decent start of the season. This is forgotten,

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but there was early on in the first ten games

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we were like, oh, man, are these guys going to

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ride the same sort of offensive wave that they did

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the year before. They obviously were great finishers. That also

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means you'd got some lucky, had some pop cluck. But

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they'd played well defensively under Rick Toalckett. Their goaltending had

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been strong in twenty three twenty four, and yeah, they'd

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had a power play like they did everything you need

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to be an elite team. And at twenty four to

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twenty five, after this nice little start, everything starts falling apart.

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Speaker 1: J T.

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Speaker 3: Miller actually was hurt out of training camp in hindsight,

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should have taken more time off. That was a lingering injury.

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hear that it was an upper back maybe neck nerve thing,

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but we never really got full clarity on that. But

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certainly Rutherford admitted to me at one point, yes he

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should take more time off. That was on the team.

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still struggled. He was not an effective player, LEAs Peterson

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was a disaster. Coming out of the previous season. He

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had talked about having a bit of knee tendon ice

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and whatever. The team pushed back on that a little bit.

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They're like, mostly their feelings that he hadn't prepared himself

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well enough. He came into the He said he hadn't

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been able to train fully during the summer, but even

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then the team was still frustrated with sort of his preparation.

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He had had an awful season from start to finish.

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Miller left the lineup. We're going to leave in November

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of last year. But for the most part, a terrible season.

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And so when your top two centers are not playing

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anything close to like they're supposed to, and your entire

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system is designed no, no team's going to survive that.

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Your team, your system's designed around your best players playing well,

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and their best players were atrocious other than Quinn Hughes

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and then that she Demko was hurt and all these

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things everything went wrong. Miller, Obviously there was a huge

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rift I'm sure everybody heard about in the end, and

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emergency just couldn't function together, and yeah, it was atrocious.

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I apologies. I will apologize on the player's behalf for

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fantasy players out there who expected huge seasons for Liais

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Petterson and J. T. Miller. Miller was, in the end

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a decent producing player went to New York could get

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them the playoffs, but still put up some points. So

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that was something. Peterson was a disaster. So now the

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question isn't I'm sure we're gonna talk with us is

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Kennileus Peterson be a point per game player this year?

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Because if he is, that means there's good things happening

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all around, and this team is headed back to the playoffs.

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The division, as I said, I've already mentioned, it is

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a tough division. You've got You've got the Oilers. You've

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got the Knights. You've got the Kings. That's three strong

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teams right there. You've got the rebuilding Flames. I don't

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think the Sharks are there yet. I don't think the

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Ducks are there yet. But the Ducks really have some

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interesting pieces. So it's a tough division and the Canucks

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are going to have to come out playing hard. And

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to be honest, they have not. They mostly subtracted this summer.

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never found the top six winger. They're top center that

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they wanted to find. They talked a lot about trying

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to find a top six forward. They didn't find that.

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Everybody seems to be looking for that. Everyone seemed to

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be waiting for what's going to want what's going to

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happen with maasicvy Tavish and I guess Marco Rossi's off

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the table now, but Jack Rossovik's out there, although I

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don't think the Cucks are interested. So yeah, the Canucks,

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I don't think they're as good as they were last year.

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They do Quinn Hughes, they are hopeful with that your

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Devco there's I talk to people who really believe that

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Patterson will be back to who he should be, but

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they're not as deep. They haven't replaced G. T. Miller,

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and Miller was not a perfect player, but he was

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a heck of player for this team. And so it's

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a lot of questions going into this season, not many

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answers or certainties. I suppose I should say.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about that main guy, the disaster as claimed

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Elias Petterson. Miserable season, as you mentioned, worst career, worst

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numbers just across the board pretty much goals, shots, student

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percentage plus minus, everything was pretty bad. On the other hand,

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his hits and blocks were up just a little bit

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for the first time in his career. Yay, what does

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I tell you?

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Speaker 3: Right, that's the guy who doesn't have the park. He's

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the guy that wants but he plays hard. There's no

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doubt about this guy plays hard.

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Speaker 4: But it's not quite what you want from him. And

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obviously heard a little bit about the narrative with Miller.

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and all the issues last season. What's going to happen

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this season? Is he going to rebound from that career

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worst season? Is their hope for above point per game. Patterson. Again,

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I think a lot of people at this point would

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just settle for anything in the sefty to eighty rank. Yeah,

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absolutely pretty nice. But is there optimism for more? And

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where are we at with him?

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Speaker 3: Is the optimism It's tough to gauge. The expectation certainly

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is there. Right, This is a guy who, even when

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he struggled down the stretch in twenty three twenty four,

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still put up eighty nine points. Right, this was a

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guy that got it done. Fundamentally. If you want to

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look at one thing to explain his struggles over the

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past eighteen months, it's exactly what you just said. He

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has not had the puck enough. He has been He's

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always been a good two way player. I can't remember.

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I can't tell you how long it was, but it

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was many seasons he was He's still a young player.

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And at one point I said, people, notice how hard

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you work on the backtrack. What's that about? He goes,

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I don't like not having the puck. I like having

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the puck. Of course I want to go get it,

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and so he'd go get it. And last year it

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was just not there wasn't he was lacking jumping his stride.

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faster skaters in the NHL. He had he won the

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slap shot competition at the All Star Game. Like he

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was a guy that had the tools and the desire

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and the hockey IQ. And last year we didn't see

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certainly much of the tools. I think there were times

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when he wondered about the desire. The desire and the

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performance was forty five points in sixty four games. That's

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atrocious for a guy that's being paid eleven point six

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million dollars. The expectation remains, can he get back there?

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Like I said, I've talked to a couple of people

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that know him pretty well, and they think he will

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be he I think was he doesn't like talking about.

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To be honest, these days, he hasn't like talking about

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very much at all. He's really but more than ever,

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last year he went into a shell and he was

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certainly wasn't happy to talk to the media. He'd have

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his moments where he would, but there was just so

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much or of chaos around the team that whether he

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meant to or not, he really shut down. So there's

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no chaos going into this season. Certainly, I think if

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you were asking a teammate off the record, how much

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you are mature, you look into PD to really perform,

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they will. So he's everything. But is there optimism? Supposedly

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he's trained better, Supposedly he's been more on fire. The

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question is has he learned his lessons of why he

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struggled the last eighteen months, whether it was preparation, whether

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it was the mental game, whether it was awarding injury,

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whatever it is, he's going. I think he's a huge

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I don't think it's funny. I think he will get

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eighty points. I think he just will by showing up.

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He's too good not to. But then again, last year

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he didn't put up the points because and that's why

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the team was terrible. He's a weird bet. I am

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not sure what to say. I think if you bet

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on him, I think you have a you're probably gonna

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get rewarded. But I can't guarantee that, So I don't know.

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Is that optimism?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know. But let's move on. Let's

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talk here. He didn't quite sustain that career year he

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had a year before the stats across the board decline.

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Accept his hits jumping to a hit per game. Maybe

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had a lot of frustrations to get out last year

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and took it out in his opponents. He takes fewer

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than two shots a game, got a big old contract

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to stick around. I know he's one of those guys

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that the Canucks were looking at and in that long

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debate about whether he'd remained with the team and how

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expensive it would be bounced around lines a lot. Is

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that drama played out around him. I clearly believe in

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him for the long term. What's your assessment and could

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we see more production for him on a roster with

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similar talent but hopefully a little less drama.

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Speaker 3: His scoring rate consistently has been about thirty goals per

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eighty two, right, so he's a reliable scorer. The question

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is how many games are you going to get out

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of him? And the truth is over the last four seasons,

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last five seasons, really, even that COVID season, he's been

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a pretty healthy guy. He didn't win. He was probably

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he was going to be the favorite, I think to

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win the Rookie of the Year in twenty eighteen. If

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he hadn't gotten her. He's slid him backwards into a bench,

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and that was the end of the season basically or

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into a bench. Dorias Is it was a rough, terrible injury.

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It affected him a little bit going into the next year.

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He's a guy that when he's on, he's fantastic. He's

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a very smart player. He's not the world's greatest skater,

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but he's a really sharp player. He's underrated. I think

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for his two way play. I'm not saying he's going

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to get Selki Trove's Trophy votes. I think he's a

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guy that could actually be a pretty effective penalty killer

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if he gave him a chance. But he's not there

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in the end to play defense. He's there to put

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the pocket in the net. And he has proven to

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be a very nice not leading edge scorer, but first tier.

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He's a good player and he persevered. It was a

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really weird season for him. Obviously, loses his center JT.

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Miller had been his sort of the preferred center, was

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the guy with him in his forty goal season the

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year before, but with Miller obviously struggling, then did wasn't

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even in the lineup for a month. Then it comes back,

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but it's just never going to be the same. It

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was a weird He just didn't do that well, and

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then of course himself becomes the center of all the

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trade attention because he didn't have a contract going into

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the summer the free agent. The expectation was the Canucks

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were going to move on. Certainly, all the rhetoric behind

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the scenes was they were going to move on, and

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then they didn't, and that messed with his head. He admitted,

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he has admitted openly that trade talk is always and

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almost every year in the last few seasons, he would

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be in the center of that kind of conversation, especially

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once as they transition between management groups in December twenty

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twenty one, that he was not a guy that ever

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had like a locked and secure spot. And yet he

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kept scoring, and he kept showing up, and he kept

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having a good attitude, and he just as someone has

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told me, he just wants everyone to get along. Like

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he's a good guy. Now he wears a letter on

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his sweater sometimes right, Like he's a guy that is

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a dependable, he's a good teammate and like I said,

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he can put the puck int thatt and honestly, he's

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one of the better net front guys. Now he's a

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really good He doesn't like playing at that front. But

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he's really good at tips. This is the thing we realized.

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The Canucks really developed that under Rick Talcket was they

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really developed now going back to Bohot even before that,

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but they really leaned in on their power play, figuring

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out how to play that top of the crease kind

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of role. And obviously there's no Morbret, there's no Kuzmenko.

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Besser could find himself there. Again, we'll see what they

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do with Evander Kaine or your instinct is that you

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put the big body in front. But Besser has a

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skill that a lot of players don't have. He's very

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good at adept at tipping the puck. He's always had

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great hands around the net. He did change the way

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he prepares himself for the season last summer and it

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had a huge impact. There was two summers ago, huge

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impact in the way of he was able to just

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set himself. I think he's stronger in his legs, which

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I know sounds weird, giving you'd expect hockey players to

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be doing that, but no, he's a guy that has

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proved reliable, a reliable player when he's in the lineup.

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Can he get back to thirty goals. I think he should.

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There's no reason to think he won't stay healthy. The

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volume is the one concern, and we talked a bit

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about this with Peterson. And there is an element too

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as the players get older. We just know this, they

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don't shoot as much. But you look at the way

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this lineups can be set up and there is every

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reason to think that he's going to be looked to

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to be that goal scorer. Obviously, they've got King coming in,

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they've got Connor Garland coming back. But in terms of

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pure goal scorers, it's and the guys who have hands around.

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That's him and Neils Holglander is a big It should

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be a big season for him. He's got his new contract,

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he will have no distractions around him. I mean, I

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think he's a guy to really look to is to

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be a saw. I don't think he's a top end

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scorer obviously, but he is a solid producer for your

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fantasy hockey lineup.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Connor Garland. He has had pretty similar stats

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every year, it seems like. But that's interesting because he

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played four more minutes a night last year and his

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stats didn't really change. He's reliably taken a sweater every

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night during his next career, he did not get a

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study line. Last year, Peu Suitor lined up with him

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forty five percent of the time at five on five.

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That was tops for Connor Garland. His shot rate was down,

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but his shooting percentage is still high. Advanced Dad's hate

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does even strength offense, but call does even strength defense

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easily the best on the team. Yeah, is Garland gonna

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get top six next year? Is this the man we

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need in the bottom six? What are you looking for here?

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Speaker 3: And no, I think, yeah, there's a reason that you

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look at the top six because I neglect to mentioned

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Jake Debruss, But yeah, you look at the You looked

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at the four wingers that you can pencil in as

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on the top two lines, and it's a pretty decent group. Obviously,

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they're leaning a lot on Kane to be the player

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he used to be and not the player you worry

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he might have become. But yeah, I like Connor Garland.

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There's a one of my buddies here co covers the

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team why it aren't as the stanchion covers the team

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for Canucks Army and always his funny postgame post. And

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he's a big fan of just he's the nickname guy

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and he calls Connor Garland the Toyota Corolla of the

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Vancouver Canucks. He's not flashy, but he runs forever. He

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gets it done. But you never have a problem with him.

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He's a really solid, just solid player. And Garland has

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been a solid producer for this team ever since he

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showed up in the Oli rec trade in twenty twenty one.

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Mentioned this recently, like in a story I wroud, I

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talked about how after that trade happened, it wasn't just

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trying to sell the media on Ekman. Larson. Travis Green

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let you know, we had a chat about it and

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he said, listen, this Garland guy, people need to understand

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he is a huge difference maker and he's been exactly

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the player they want him to be. He's been reliable,

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he's been the Toyota Corolla of this team. He's going

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to continue and you note he played more. Again, the

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Canucks struggled to generate shots overall. That was about their

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inability to get to the middle of the ice. That

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was a huge problem. A lot of that was because

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Peterson and Miller just simply weren't playing very well at all.

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And in the end, Garland is a guy who loves

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winning the puck on the boards. He's an amazing four checker.

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He knows how to use his short stature to essentially

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get under other teams defenseman, turn the puck over, great hands,

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great vision. He does sort of crazy things that no

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one else imagines you could do, and he's very good

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at it.

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Speaker 2: Next, I've got Jake Debrusk. You mentioned it came over

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from Boston. Pretty much, DoD did what Jake Debrus does.

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He hits a lot, takes two shots, kept him on

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the ice, skated sixteen minutes, scored in the forty to

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fifty range. All those points total only forty seven. His

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twenty eight goals led to Vancouver Canucks last year with

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above average Yeah, above average shooting too. He's always a

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pretty good shooter. Makes you wish he took more than

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two shots a game. He's on a long range, middle

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class contract with a full no move clause, which I

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don't understand. But I'm just some guy. But what do

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you make of Debrus this year? How big of a

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role is he going to have and what kind of

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performance you're expecting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was funny again. Another funny story. He's got.

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It started a bit slow, but found once he's got

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used to line even in the midst of the chaos.

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He spoke to Jim jamison ed menton journal recently and

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I ended up writing a little thing about that as well,

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basically saying I was the man in the middle. He'sat

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where and I thought about as soon as he pointed out,

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I was like, holy shit, holy you're right, because in

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the direct cacuts that Miller was in the corner by

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the and then Peterson wasn't far away, and of course

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demonstrating with my hands for people listening, which is really great.

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But if you think if Miller was at sort of

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ten o'clock and Peterson was at midnight, and then debrask

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00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:16,920
was about trying to think he was more eleven fifteen,

475
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,000
so he was in the middle. He got along with

476
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:22,519
both of them. He's a very upbeat, very friendly guy,

477
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,079
friendly with anybody he meets, front of the media, friendly

478
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:29,240
with fans, friendly with his teammates. By the end of

479
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:31,880
the season, he was doing what they had brought him

480
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,480
into be, which was to be another complimentary scorer. He

481
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,039
scored twenty eight goals, career high knows for the net.

482
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,359
He doesn't. He is an unconventional nose from that kind

483
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,680
of guy. He's not like a he's not a bowl.

484
00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:46,319
He doesn't run over the other guy to get there.

485
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,160
He's certainly not like his dad, who is known more

486
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,079
for his fists than scoring goals. But his dad is

487
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,920
built like this, big shoulder. He is the kind of

488
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,240
nineties tough guy that you expect. Jake is not built

489
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,920
like his dad, but yet he's got smart hands, smart eyes.

490
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:04,599
He knows where he's going and he knows how to

491
00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,119
finish a right. Is he gonna score twenty eight goals again?

492
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,400
I don't think so. They called them career highs for

493
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000
a reason. But he's a guy that should get you

494
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,240
twenty twenty five goals. And he'll play on the power

495
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:16,839
play and he'll get top line minutes, you know, probably

496
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,440
playing again with Petterson. He certainly promised time with Patterson.

497
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,359
He expect he'll be back with Petterson. We'll see. That's

498
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,839
the other question, by the way, for Bessar, just to

499
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:25,640
go back to Bester, who's he gonna play with? He

500
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,119
had a lot of success early in his career with Petterson,

501
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,319
played more than Miller once they reunited at the end

502
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,000
of the season didn't work all that well. So can

503
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,720
he mesh with Philip and Bessar meshed with philipedal, whereas

504
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,839
Debrasco is going to be Debrusk, Petterson and Kane. It's

505
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,759
really going to be interesting to how things shake out.

506
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,640
I think Debrusk had a fair bit of success with Peterson,

507
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,440
although even if Patterson wasn't playing that great, certainly you

508
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,799
can see a world if he plays with Patterson and

509
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,400
Petterson finds his way back to at least that point

510
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,640
per game. Player like Jake Debrusk will get twenty eight

511
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920
goals again. Maybe he'll set a new career high. But

512
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,680
certainly I think, no matter what, his baseline is going

513
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,359
to be twenty twenty five goals. He's been that through

514
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,240
his career. The Caducts signed to be that guy, and

515
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:05,359
he has been that guy.

516
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,599
Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the next guy. Keefer Sarewood

517
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,240
and he became an absolute fantasy darling this season. We

518
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,359
track in our tidy League bash per game, blashots hits

519
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,079
per game. He had eight point zero nine, which ranked

520
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,920
him number one. There was no forward that had more

521
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
block shots and hits and keep for Sherewood. Of course,

522
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:28,119
all fantasy gms probably know this because everyone was clamoring

523
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,599
for him. Of Course, the question we're all asking ourselves

524
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,960
is what's for real? Is this for real? Is he

525
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,599
going to continue to do this? Is he going to

526
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,559
get the ice time? His ice time went up just

527
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,160
a little bit, almost three minutes from last season, but

528
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,200
the priffs came in droves and he scored a little

529
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,400
bit forty two point pace. Isn't bad for someone who's

530
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,240
providing all that perpheral coverage. Do you think there's upside

531
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,680
for even more points or is he overperforming in that

532
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:56,000
category and he can he continue the priff floor that

533
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,000
he's had, which makes it has made him so valuable?

534
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,839
What do you think? Patrick?

535
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have such an interesting look. We look at

536
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,720
the numbers, right you look as Curry he's been an

537
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,240
NHL or for a while now, but he's a guy

538
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,559
that scored forty goals in the AHL, right like he

539
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,519
certainly at the next tier down of quality of play,

540
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,559
he knows where the goals are and certainly he had

541
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:18,160
a hot start here. We saw him doing incredible work

542
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:24,440
just finding goals, just finish. Now he has not been

543
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,640
that guy for the most part in the NHL. So

544
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,480
to expect him to be that guy again, I think

545
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:32,119
is unlikely. I would be a little bit careful with

546
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,119
how he plays, because, like I said, they brought in

547
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Evander Kane, He's gonna end up playing top six minutes.

548
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,759
They brought back Brockbesser, They've got cart, we know what

549
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,880
Garland's about, we know what Jacob Rusk is about. So

550
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,400
right there, there's four guys that we are almost certain

551
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,480
are going to play ahead of Sure. Now, if Kane

552
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,880
does not work, there is reason to think Sherwood will

553
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,440
get more ice time. But I just I don't think

554
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,519
you should be convinced of Kee for Surewood as a

555
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,720
top six winger. This is a lineup they really He

556
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,079
was at his best when he was playing as a

557
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,519
third liner, going hard for check, just an aggressive player.

558
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,160
When they signed him away from Nashville in the summer

559
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,759
of twenty twenty four last summer, I was like, this

560
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,240
is a really interesting signing because obviously we saw him

561
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,599
up close in that first round series against Nashville, and

562
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,880
he was a persistent presence, constantly on the pot, constantly

563
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,440
in your face, and he became a fan favorite here

564
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:29,799
because of that, the way he plays, he will be

565
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,559
given a fair share by side, but he doesn't play

566
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,559
in the power play. He's a guy that's come probably

567
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,920
right now if it lines up the way it is.

568
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,400
He's playing with Autau and like raw, Tu's got some

569
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,119
skill and some potential, but he's a career ahler. Sorry,

570
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,559
that's probably not fair. He's young, but he has not

571
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,720
established himself in the NHL. So Surewood is a guy

572
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,759
that I think is really about. Look who he's playing with.

573
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:54,480
I'm not sure you want to drop him right off

574
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,079
the top, but certainly a guy to maybe stash, keep

575
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,599
your eye on, see how things develop in this because

576
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,519
le Canucks, like I said, they're still dreaming of getting

577
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,400
that second line center. Sherewood and Heatl is a very

578
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,640
fascinating combination of Hetal gets pushed down the line at

579
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,079
philp Heatle's right now pencil and is the second line center.

580
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,720
He's a speedy player. Obviously concerns about concussions with him,

581
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,799
but when he's in the lineup, he's looked good and

582
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,279
I feel like he's a guy that's a good fit

583
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,880
for sure. But the ice time, like I said, is

584
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,759
still not quite going to be there, and nor is

585
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:22,559
the power playtime.

586
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: You mentioned Philip Heatel, and he is a big question

587
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,559
mark coming in. There's so many other forwards on this

588
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,960
team who could jump up and do something, but just

589
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,400
for simplicity and hitting some of these top guys, Heatel

590
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,279
and Evander Kaine probably are the next two most relevant players.

591
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,519
I would say for the forward group, which one of

592
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,480
those two would you bet on having a better year?

593
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: The risk it's tough to say. With Hetel, like we

594
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:51,759
even saw it. He took a head injury. It turned

595
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,359
out be more of a whiplash kind of situation than

596
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,519
the concussion. I'm just so anxious about him that the

597
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,519
comparison is tough to say. I like the play, I

598
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,079
like what he brings, but obviously the concussion history from

599
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,519
New York is a concern. I just I just don't

600
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,039
know what else to think about him, other than, like

601
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,000
I said, he when he's in the lineup, he's an

602
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
effective player and he plays in a way that Canucks

603
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,880
didn't have last year. He attacks the middle of the ice.

604
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,200
It's just I just I'm just nervous about him. Again,

605
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,279
a guy maybe to stash and sit and maybe you

606
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,480
can take a take a gamble on him, but he's

607
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,960
not a guy I'm leaning on. Who's the other guy? Sorry,

608
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,480
I just rambled myself about heatel.

609
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say Vander Kine.

610
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kane like Kane. Keane's a bit similar. Kane, of

611
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
course didn't play it all last season right now was

612
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,440
there ltir involved and they got him in for the playoffs.

613
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,200
My basic impression of Kane is that he's still big

614
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:50,680
and strong, but he's thirty three, and he is He

615
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,200
struggled when Zach Hyman got hurt in what was it

616
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,039
in the conference finals, right, Kane picked up a lot

617
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,359
of his ice time. He struggled, and he just was

618
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,039
not an effective as effective as perhaps you've seen now.

619
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,920
We saw him obviously a lot in twenty twenty four

620
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,759
in the playoffs and admittedly dealing with injuries. He had

621
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720
basically every important his shoulders and his hips operated on

622
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
before last season. He was dealing with some kind of

623
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,839
some kind of injury or another during the playoffs and

624
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,079
he just was You would see the strength and you'd

625
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,000
see the hands, but he couldn't get there. And so

626
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,519
that's been my consistent concern with him. Canucks clearly believe

627
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,519
that he can make a difference. And like I said,

628
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:38,400
he's gonna get a ton of time with Eleas Petterson.

629
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,839
He's a guy that if you make a late, late

630
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,079
round bet on, I think that's a good one to make.

631
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920
I wouldn't go off the top saying this guy's gonna

632
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
be a thing. He's not a sure thing, but certainly

633
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,039
his history has been he's going to a contract year,

634
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,799
He's always performed well in contract year. He's always performed

635
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,440
with pressure. I'm just concerned about his age. I'm just

636
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,160
conconcerned about the wear and tear. And the fact is

637
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,880
that he did not he played twenty whatever playoff games

638
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,960
last year. He did not play a regular season. He

639
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,960
will argue, and he did. We asked him about this

640
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,720
when we met with him after the trade. He would

641
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,319
argue that is to his advantage that he's fresher than

642
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,440
he might have been otherwise. But we'll see. He comes in,

643
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,559
he's playing at home. He's firebule playing at home. If

644
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,160
I had to pick one or the other in terms

645
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,960
of taking a bet on him, picking Kane because I

646
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,960
don't think he's going to have concussion issues. But I'm

647
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,279
still anxious about whether he can keep up with the

648
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,279
pace of play, because the criticism of the Canucks last

649
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,799
year too slow. They weren't fast enough like they were

650
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,240
the year before, and like I said, struggle to get

651
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,720
to the midle of the ice. Kane is not a

652
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:37,920
pot carrier. Kane is a four checker and a finisher.

653
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,960
But if again Patterson lights it up and Kine sticks

654
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,920
with him, there's a guy that could. He'll just be

655
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,559
picking up assists and banging in goals and he'll be

656
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,440
looking pretty good. I'm just again a little bit anxious

657
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,359
about him.

658
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: All right, let's move over to the blue line now,

659
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,200
and of course that means we get to talk about Hughes,

660
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,799
which is a really fun topic. He had another awesome

661
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,599
season ninety two, back to back ninety two a season

662
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,680
which is pretty incredible. The goals per game was up

663
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,599
a little bit, assis down a little bit, categories were

664
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,119
most consistent and the best since last year. He's entering

665
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,519
year five or six of the contract, and of course

666
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,839
we always know Hughes to be a little lighter on press.

667
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Four point zero one bashed per game with ranks him

668
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,839
two hundred and ninth. But when you're getting ninety two

669
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,920
point pace. You're not complaining too much about that, But

670
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
do you think we can have this again? Ninety plus point?

671
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: Who's yeah, without a doubt. We're done. We don't even

672
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:33,920
talk anymore. If you haven't seen Quint Hughes play hockey,

673
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,319
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know

674
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:36,960
what to tell you. Quinny Hughes is amazing.

675
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: He is.

676
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,559
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I love to talk about going

677
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,000
back to when he first showed up and you first

678
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,079
started watching him play, and you're just like, this guy's

679
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:51,240
not a defenseman. He's something else. Because in hockey we

680
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,000
labeled the position based on where you start. I'm a

681
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,559
huge fan of how soccer describes players. They talk about

682
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,240
their role, the way they play. Quinn Hughes is some

683
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,839
kind of point guard's he drives the lane. He is

684
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,799
an absolute sensationally fun player to watch, and he's only

685
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,079
getting better. That's the other crazy thing. And he in

686
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,119
front of him, obviously they're not in the same division.

687
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,200
But we see Klee mccarr all the time, and he's

688
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,559
not personal about it, but he sees Kuail macar all

689
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,279
the time, and he's out there to be even better

690
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,079
than Kyle mccar because he uses him as his primary

691
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,240
rival for future caledor trophies, and he is just Norris trophies,

692
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,440
and he's just a sensational player. He's he is a

693
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
as a reporter selfishly, he is a blessing to cover

694
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,559
just to watch him play. The captaincy last year was tough, right,

695
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,599
Like he had to carry a lot of weight. It

696
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,039
was a really tough year. The room was again difficult

697
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,759
to manage. And he's when you're the captain and it's

698
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,160
where the sea as much as I think it's a

699
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,799
public facing element, but in the end, he was looked

700
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,400
to be a leader to set a tone for this

701
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,519
and it wasn't on him. The struggles of the team

702
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,759
weren't on him, but he knew that the sort of

703
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,519
the weight of the team was falling on him, and

704
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,480
I think that drag him down. He's still persevered and

705
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,759
had an incredible season right struggle with some injuries, but

706
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:08,160
that wasn't necessarily his faults. Yeah, he's gonna come back.

707
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,720
He'll be coming back and he's gonna he is a

708
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,599
slam duck lock to be the among the if not

709
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,680
the top scoring defenseman in the NHL.

710
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,559
Speaker 2: This season, and one other defenseman to talk about. We

711
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,359
got to talk about Philip Peronik. He put up another

712
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,519
very good season in the Vancouver D Corps. Doesn't get

713
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,960
the peripheral stats in big numbers that we fantasy players crave,

714
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,079
but above half per point per game scoring with big minutes,

715
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,319
and a wonderful impact on five offense. Pretty good impact

716
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,440
on five on five d's quite valuable part of his appeal.

717
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:43,480
He's always playing with Quinn Hughes, which, as he said,

718
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:45,920
is not a bad place to be. Yeah, miss twenty

719
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,799
one games last year from a lower body injury. Could

720
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,119
we see a scoring bump from heronic or are we

721
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,119
just hoping with health he can put up more of

722
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,039
what he's done these last few years in Detroit and Vancouver.

723
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly. The way the defense corp lines up, there's

724
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,119
still some questions whether they'll roll again with that pair.

725
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,960
I think they will. The Petterson Myers dynamic was Tyler

726
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,280
Myers has been an excellent defenseman for this team last

727
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,639
a couple of years, even as he rambles into his

728
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,039
mid to late thirties, he's been a quality player. And

729
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,320
can he play with Marcus Patterson or can you play

730
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,199
with k Hughes. I think more than likely they will

731
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,239
go again with that big bulky which is a funny

732
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
thing to say about two small defensemen. But the way

733
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Petters or a Hughes and Coronic play is they play

734
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,800
huge minutes. They play big in those minutes. Hughes had

735
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,599
since the time he even before he made the NHL,

736
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,400
from the time he was drafted, has talked about wanting

737
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,599
to prove to people that he is a good defensive player.

738
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,880
He's not just a guy that puts up points. He's

739
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,960
a strong He's just been outstanding and Heronic benefits from that.

740
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,599
He obviously struggled with injury earlier in the year, and that,

741
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,719
by the way, if you're looking for a moment that

742
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,119
really sank the season. Like I said, I talked about

743
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,639
the centers being terrible, but Heronic suffered an injury in

744
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,079
and around when Miller went out of the lineup, and

745
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,280
that changed everything. The whole balance of the defense corps

746
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,440
was a mess. The team couldn't move the puck up

747
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,079
the ice. Kronik's ability to break the puck out is

748
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:11,599
an underrated, perhaps not as well as it should be

749
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,039
understood part of his game, and it's not just because

750
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,039
he plays with Hughes. He is a great partner for

751
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,199
Hughes because he hands the hands to do it, and

752
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,079
they play when they're on, they're very up tempo. They're

753
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,599
pushing the play up the ice. So can Ronick put

754
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,280
up pile up a whole bunch more points. I think

755
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,039
he will. I have no reason to think he won't

756
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,880
continue playing with Hughes. There's just picking up assists with

757
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,320
the guy that's the best player on the team. Kind

758
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,719
of element to this. Can he stay healthy, I think

759
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,960
is a fair question. I think he will. He's still

760
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,519
what twenty seven, he's still in the media part of

761
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:47,199
his career obviously starting. He's starting a new big contract

762
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,360
or sorry, second year of his new big contract. I

763
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960
should say he's just there's everything they like about this

764
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,960
player and his focus. Two years in a row or sorry,

765
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:57,760
not two years in a row, because he was it

766
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,800
was two seasons before that. He struggled a bit of

767
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,599
injury coming out of Detroit. His first full season Vancouver

768
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,760
was totally healthy. Last season, struggled again with injury. But

769
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,159
when he's been on he's been great. I think he

770
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,559
should look to him. He's going to get you forty points.

771
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,840
No matter what, he's got thirty three points and sixty

772
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,239
one games. That's a guy that's a reliable producer because

773
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,079
he's playing with one of the best players in the

774
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,840
league and he has the hands to keep up.

775
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 4: Let's move over to the crease now. The Canucks were

776
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,159
ranked thirteenth and expected goals against for sixty but considered

777
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:33,320
the eighteenth ranked actual goals a little bit below expected there,

778
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,159
and of course we thought that we were going to

779
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,320
see a lot more of thatch for Demco. He ended

780
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,880
up playing only twenty three games, and the goals save

781
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,880
above expected was a little bit positive for him, and

782
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
it was definitely a little bit better for Lankanin, who

783
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,079
ended up getting the line chair and was actually really

784
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,280
quite good in a lot of metrics. Of course, a

785
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,360
lot of people are hoping that Demco comes back and

786
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,159
has the line share of the starts, but there's some

787
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,039
skepticism there, and then there's also they moved she loves.

788
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,239
They have some other goalies in the prospect pipeline, but

789
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,599
really it's going to be these two, assuming Demco stays healthy.

790
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,320
Otherwise we might see another lot of linking in And

791
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,239
so what are we expecting here in the crease for

792
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:16,960
the Cannucks.

793
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: It's it's a big question, to be perfectly honest. You

794
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,079
look at Demco and the player he's being, and that's

795
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:25,880
why the Connects resigned him, right They signed him to

796
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,039
an extension starting next season. And if he comes back

797
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,079
and is the guy that he has been, that's is

798
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,079
gonna be again. He's already on a very value, very

799
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:38,719
valuable contract. He could be that guy again. The question

800
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,400
remains how how he deals with injury, and he has

801
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,000
struggled with injury the last three seasons. Each year he's

802
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,679
had some kind of rather substantial problem. Obviously, he suffered

803
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920
the Populata's injury muscle injury in his left knee in

804
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:57,599
at the beginning of playoffs in twenty twenty four and

805
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,119
that kept him from you and preparing for the Sea.

806
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,760
He had off season surgery for another injury going into

807
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,039
the season, didn't even play until December, and he played once.

808
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,639
He found his groove. He was playing pretty well and

809
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,840
then he got hurt again. And so that's the there's

810
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,480
a huge question mark hanging around him now. By all

811
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,400
accounts I've talked to a few people, he's had a

812
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,360
great season preparing. He came back to Vancouver a bit early.

813
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,400
He's already here. I've been skating and preparing for the season.

814
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:31,039
And the guy has been a Vesna Trophy finalist. Like

815
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,079
the guy has been an outstanding goalie and he believes

816
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,519
he will be that goalie again. He's not a lock though,

817
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,960
as you said, twenty three games like he just had to.

818
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:43,480
It was a season defined by injury more than anything else.

819
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Kevin Langanon benefited from that and he was a late

820
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,800
the late training camp signing a guy that wasn't even

821
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,480
in their plans at this time last year, although he

822
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,679
had roughly started talking to him about this time of year.

823
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:57,840
Because they started to realize Depco is not going to

824
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,400
be ready for training camp, they had to start thinking

825
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,159
about what they were going to do because they could

826
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,000
not go into the year with Archer she laws as

827
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,519
they're number one well the GM. Patrick Levigne basically won

828
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,719
a game of chicken against against Lanclan and his agent,

829
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,920
eventually getting him to accept that there were no other

830
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,800
offers out there and that what the Canucks had on

831
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,440
the table and what the best they could join another

832
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,440
gap that was on the table was what he was

833
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,280
gonna have to go with and then Lankton played really well,

834
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,239
was originally in the tandem, which she loves, struggled. The

835
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,800
one thing what Lancan is as his season went along

836
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,199
and he was starting to be leaned on to play

837
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,440
more and more, he has not been a true number

838
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,920
one starter since he came to the NHL. His game

839
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,480
started a waiver and you started seeing, truthfully why he's

840
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,719
generally been a backup in the NHL. He just doesn't

841
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,719
seem to have quite the sort of performance durability, no

842
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,679
injury concerns, but just that ability to repeat the repeat

843
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,639
the moves. And you're looking at a year now where

844
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,760
almost certainly the Canucks are gonna have to look to

845
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,159
Demco to play less than he has before. This is

846
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,119
a guy that used to pride himself on getting to

847
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,679
sixty to sixty five. It starts in the season. I

848
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,159
think you're looking at like fifty starts at best. It's

849
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,159
a really true one to one a situation with him

850
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:13,440
in lank and Lanknon could get thirty five, thirty thirty

851
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:18,639
thirty something starts. So it's not a great situation. Again,

852
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,119
but as I've said, if you're a personally wants to

853
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,519
make a bet. Depko is not a bad guy to

854
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,840
bet on, just because of the fact we know what

855
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,760
he's been before. But that said, there's question marks because

856
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,079
he's struggled with durability, especially and especially so last season.

857
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,519
Speaker 2: The Canucks might be good this year, they might be bad,

858
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,679
but either way they will be darn entertaining Patrick. They

859
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,639
always always great interest and I would suggest to people

860
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,960
that they use you as the way to follow all

861
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:53,719
those things. How can people follow your writings on the Canucks,

862
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,960
your presence on social media, et cetera.

863
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not doing too much social media these days.

864
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,239
I occasionally pop on a Blue sk I got to

865
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,000
tell some jokes and linked to my stories. But yeah,

866
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,880
you can always find me on email. P Johnston at

867
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,760
postmedia dot com. My stories are at the Province dot

868
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,840
com and elsewhere. They seem to spread far and wide.

869
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,280
So yeah, I'm always happy to chat always to answer

870
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,559
to your questions. And if you find me on blue Sky,

871
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,960
I'm at Rising Action, Bluespeasguy dot social. That's the best

872
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,320
place to find me. I do have a Twitter still there,

873
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,440
but I'm not using it, so don't even try.

874
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,039
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Thank you, for coming on and

875
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:27,199
talking Canucks with us.

876
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: Patrick, take care guys.

877
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: Thanks, that's good fired pat O, My goodness. Long with

878
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:47,519
a cat we grab Now it's your Wakley goalie talk.

879
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,800
But Kat Silverman, Kat's.

880
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 5: Instincts then once again for Kats and sings with Kat

881
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,639
Silverman at Ben gool Mag we're talking Canucks goalies and

882
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,719
we're talking.

883
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: I think this is the first.

884
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 5: Time we've talked about these guys on the show. And

885
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,159
that's Nikita Tolopilo. He's the first carotis twenty five years old,

886
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,719
six foot six, two hundred and twenty nine pounds, not drafted.

887
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,639
He just completed his second HL season for the Abbospher Canucks,

888
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,920
the Calder Cup champion atmosphert Canucks.

889
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: I'll have you know then most of that.

890
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: Was she loves at, not Telopilo, who was responsible for

891
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,840
them all. But he did get into one game there

892
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,159
and these and she losses off to Pittsburgh. So what

893
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,360
are your instincts telling you about tolo Pilo?

894
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,599
Speaker 6: I he took me by surprise. In all honesty, I

895
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,719
did not expect the Canucks to consider him a clear

896
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,360
cut part of their organization. I thought that he was

897
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,400
there really just kind of fill in the depth chart,

898
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,840
and they had him play two games at the NHL

899
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,119
level last year, which is really cool for him. So

900
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,719
I don't really know if he is what they want

901
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,280
long term. I think he's a lot of fun to watch.

902
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,840
I think I don't know, but that's a really tough

903
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,159
one for me. The Canucks are another team that had

904
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,960
kind of in flux with their goaltending. I don't know

905
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,559
if that's something that will change anytime soon. That being said,

906
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,639
I would love to see maybe one more season split

907
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,440
between Abbotsford and Vancouver for him. I don't think he's

908
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,239
ready to move up to the NHL full time. He

909
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,639
did do a really good job, though He's got a

910
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,320
little bit more agility than I was expecting from him

911
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,000
when I watched his first couple of games when I

912
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,679
was trying to get a feel for how he plays,

913
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,800
and he showed that he can elevate his game a

914
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,679
little bit more. And even though his first two games

915
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:42,599
with the Canucks were fine, not elite, he did a

916
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,480
really good job of beholding his own and then he

917
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,880
did a pretty good job last year in the AHL,

918
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,039
even though his numbers weren't the best in the league.

919
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,199
They certainly weren't bad, and they looked fairly consistent. To me,

920
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
I would love to see what he can do with

921
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,519
more consistent NHL time. So I'd love to see, like

922
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,039
I said, not a full time NHL shift, but almost

923
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:07,760
more of a fifty to fifty split right there.

924
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 5: I don't know.

925
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 6: I think he could be a surprise for them. I

926
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,519
really wish the Canucks would draft and develop, but it

927
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,599
is nice that they do sometimes find those kind of

928
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,760
surprising slightly older goaltenders. He's not that old yet, but

929
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,039
he will be twenty six before this season is over,

930
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,119
and that to me really brings up the only red

931
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,400
flag that I have, which is he is six foot

932
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440
six and two hundred and thirty pounds and he is

933
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,119
almost twenty six. And I would say usually once we

934
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,280
get into those really big goaltenders, you start to see

935
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480
more rest and recovery, more stretching needed in order to

936
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,519
keep playing with that extra surprising bit of agility that

937
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,199
he has, you need a little bit more both before

938
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:50,360
and after every single game that they play, the closer

939
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,000
they get to thirty, and this year he will tip

940
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,360
onto the wrong side of that, so unfortunately that moves

941
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,079
him into does he become an injury risk territory, which

942
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,079
I feel nervous saying that. For Canucks fans, I think

943
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,880
that's their worst four letter word. But that is the

944
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,639
only thing that I would probably watch out for with

945
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
him is as he ages, if they increase his workload,

946
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,639
will that cause an impact with his conditioning and agility?

947
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 5: Essentially you've alluded to it the Canucks, and that's a

948
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,639
Demko who's a great goalie when healthy, does have injury issues.

949
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:33,280
What happens if Demko gets injured? Lancan In does okay,

950
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,519
but maybe he falters a bit. Are they happy? Can

951
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,280
they contend with Tolapilo as part of that tandem with

952
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,679
Lancannin or is it or is he not?

953
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: In that sort of conversation.

954
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: I think he should be fine, but that is where,

955
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,840
like I said, I worry about him for injuries. I

956
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,119
still don't really have a ton of faith in Kevin

957
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,719
Lincoln's consistency. I know that's something that we've talked about

958
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,800
back when he was still more of a prospect. He

959
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,679
has surprised us and turned into a serviceable NHLer, but

960
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,960
he doesn't have the consistency year over year that I

961
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,280
would love to see, and Demco's injury history is I

962
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,960
would argue, the worst among true de facto starters in

963
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,039
the NHL. And so my guess is that at some

964
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,719
point they are going to need to start cycling potentially

965
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,760
that three goaltender cycle where they have one guy that's

966
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,440
serving as the backup, one guy that's waiting in the wings,

967
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:41,320
potentially use some rest in recovery, maybe even split Lankanin

968
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,880
and Tolapilo as like a thirty thirty split, and then

969
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:54,599
use Demco as what forty percent of the season tops,

970
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,760
potentially backloading him towards the end of the season, which

971
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,000
ideally that would put them in a good position because

972
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,199
then they can always drop Telapillo back down to the

973
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,719
ahel if they need to use him for a playoff run,

974
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,360
and have a healthy Demco for a postseason, which would

975
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,480
be nice for another Western Canadian team to have. But

976
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,480
I don't know, I really don't know.

977
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:25,119
Speaker 4: Ringing endorsement from Katz, Let's move on to the next guy,

978
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,760
and that is Alexey Medveded. He's seventeen years old, six

979
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,280
with three hundred and eighty one pounds, Drafted forty seventh

980
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,000
overall on twenty twenty five. Interesting too that his draft day,

981
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,880
his birthdate is literally five days away from being eligible

982
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,480
for following there for the next draft, so he's super

983
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:46,599
young for this draft class, and he was ranked by

984
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,679
many as one of the best goalies in twenty twenty five.

985
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,320
He played not in Russia during his draft season.

986
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: He actually played.

987
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:58,159
Speaker 5: For the London Knights, the Ohl Memorial champ London Knights,

988
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,400
and he had great numbers there, but it was mostly

989
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,960
twenty one year old undrafted Austin Elliott who started around

990
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,800
half the games are in the regular season in all

991
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,440
the Memorial Cup games. So interesting to see that he

992
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,079
was in that tandem. Maybe now is an important part

993
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,199
this year. Anyways, looking at hockey prospecting, he'd had about

994
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,760
twenty five percent chance of being a starter. So there's

995
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,039
some decent comps in there, like the Manny Fernandez, it's

996
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,920
one of them, the cat. What are your instant to

997
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,880
tell us about it? Let's say, Menvin, I.

998
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 6: Am really excited to see what he can do. Like

999
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,320
you said, he is one of the youngest goaltenders in

1000
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,440
his draft class, one of the youngest players in his

1001
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:37,000
draft class. He has a birthday the same week as

1002
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,519
Austin Matthews and my daughter, which is a real fun

1003
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:47,840
little stretch where essentially they can wait and essentially declare

1004
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,480
themselves eligible as a overager if they need to, and

1005
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,320
it doesn't really hurt them. But he looked good enough,

1006
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,960
at least from what I saw to have been in

1007
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,920
this draft class. He is one of the second round

1008
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,599
and drafted goalies that I do think belonged to there.

1009
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,679
I think the biggest thing that I noticed with him

1010
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,639
is that he's smart. Which is not to say that

1011
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,719
other goaltenders that we have watched are not smart. I

1012
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,679
would like to put that out there. All goaltenders are smart.

1013
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,360
They're all intelligent. But the way that he was reading

1014
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,719
the puck, the way that he was anticipating plays, the

1015
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,440
way that he was adjusting as his team was adjusting

1016
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:27,800
throughout the season looked really good to me. He's got

1017
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,440
a lot of physical skill, his technique looks pretty good.

1018
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,320
He's got a lot of speed. But it was his

1019
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:38,760
overall hockey I hate using the term hockey iq, but

1020
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,920
it was because hockey iq that really made him stand

1021
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,800
out to me. He looked like he understood when he

1022
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,360
needed to elevate his game. Throw in some desperation saves

1023
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,800
be a little bit more aggressive and when to be

1024
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,119
a little bit more patient, which is something that sometimes

1025
00:49:56,119 --> 00:50:00,079
sixs goaltenders a little bit to learn. But yeah, they

1026
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,519
certainly don't need to rush him, like we were just saying.

1027
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:08,519
They technically have a very serviceable tandem when healthy at

1028
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,039
the NHL level, so it's not like they need to.

1029
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,679
It's not like they need to hope that when he

1030
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,159
is old enough to.

1031
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: Go pro.

1032
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,159
Speaker 6: That he will immediately be ready for the NHL, And

1033
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,119
since he is so young, he is a ways off.

1034
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,199
But that is nice for them that they have this nice,

1035
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,719
lengthy development period where they can watch, they can see

1036
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,519
what adjustments need to be made, they can see if

1037
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,119
they need to draft anyone else to slot in ahead

1038
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,679
of him. It puts them in a good position in theory.

1039
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,760
I think the Canucks are a team that tends to

1040
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,639
draft goaltenders really well and then just do really bizarre

1041
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,519
things with their lineup, so I never really know what's

1042
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,320
going on with their goaltending situation. But all things considered,

1043
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,079
I think that this puts them in a good probably

1044
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,679
five or six years down the road, this potentially puts

1045
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,440
them in a really good spot to have more of

1046
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,880
a seamless transition from the Thatcher Dumco era without needing

1047
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,320
that kind of the struggle that the Chicago Blackhawks went through,

1048
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,280
I guess is the best team to use as an

1049
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,559
example where they lose their legacy starter kind of fall

1050
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,840
into a black hole of sadness for anywhere between three

1051
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,800
and five years before they're able to get their feet

1052
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,960
under them again. I think this puts them in a

1053
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,880
little bit of a more seamless position.

1054
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,639
Speaker 5: I like it don't rush the Russian and also I

1055
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,400
like how you recover from almost having your bully park there.

1056
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,679
Speaker 3: That was pretty nice.

1057
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 6: I feel like I recovered really nicely there.

1058
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,519
Speaker 5: Well, then, thanks guy for giving me user instincts on

1059
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,719
the Vancouver.

1060
00:51:43,320 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: Cook Bullies will be back right after this. The Dynasty

1061
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,079
dig Vancouver Canucks. Victor Nuno. The Vancouver Canucks. What are

1062
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,800
they doing in terms of their prospect system? They are

1063
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,239
number twenty six. It's not looking good, so good, but

1064
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,880
at least they are the one prospect system who has

1065
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,519
a no brainer prospect of whom our resident opera singer

1066
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:24,280
has a song of tune?

1067
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,159
Speaker 3: Who is it? Victor?

1068
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:29,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am assuming that you have just played that

1069
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,039
amazing drop.

1070
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: By if I can find it, if I can find it.

1071
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,079
Speaker 4: Yes, Melle Lukara Maki is the thing to say on.

1072
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 2: Umber right Why in Christmas?

1073
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: Johnny Lcari Macki is our no brainer for Vancouver twenty

1074
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,880
twenty two first round pick, fifteenth overall, five eleven hundred

1075
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,119
and seventy two pounds. It was his first full season

1076
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,440
in North America, where he primarily played for the Calder

1077
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,679
Cup champion Abbotsford Canucks, so that's pretty great. He had

1078
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,079
their twenty eight points and thirty six games for the

1079
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,320
Abbey Canucks, and then another seven and sixteen playoff games,

1080
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,119
so that's pretty nice. He did get into some NHL action.

1081
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,400
He scored his first goal, in fact, his first three

1082
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,840
goals and had six points in twenty four games. Overall,

1083
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,760
not as exciting as you would have liked. I know

1084
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,079
some people were really excited. I was really excited to

1085
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,360
see his first couple of games, but in typical Lacarry

1086
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Mackie fashion, he was invisible for a lot of those games.

1087
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,119
And that's the problem with him is that he shows

1088
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,840
up and does some really cool things sometimes and then

1089
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,239
oftentimes doesn't really do anything. And so that's going to

1090
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,679
continue to be the issue with Lacara Mackie, and hopefully

1091
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,199
he can push forward to have a little bit more

1092
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,039
all around impact. I have my FHL player card for

1093
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,360
his AHL time, and one of the things you can

1094
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,119
see is that his course and Fenwick all that looks

1095
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,559
pretty good. Overall, his play driving is a little closer

1096
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,519
to average. His periffs aren't great except that he shoots

1097
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,320
a ton. He shoots a ton. His hits and blocks

1098
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,440
are very low. So if you like shots then great.

1099
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,920
If you like other priffs, no, And if you want pims,

1100
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,119
I'm sorry, I go somewhere else because he doesn't really

1101
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,400
do that. But mainly, the main thing that looks green

1102
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,159
on this whole card is his shooting as what you

1103
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,079
would expect. That's his calling card, his shot, his expected goals.

1104
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,639
A lot of these other metrics don't really have data

1105
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:18,679
because he doesn't take a lot of He doesn't pass

1106
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,440
a lot, so passes the slot, accurate passes, those kinds

1107
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,960
of things. There's just nothing there because he doesn't do

1108
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
that a lot. So overall I have him at a

1109
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,639
six point sixty six sixty six percent chance of being

1110
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,000
a just above average roster player and that's the thing.

1111
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:34,559
He might score twenty five thirty goals in the NHL,

1112
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,760
but he also might only get fifteen assists. Think of

1113
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,400
Kirol Marchenko from a couple of years ago when he

1114
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,800
won the cy young and barely had any assists. That's

1115
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,320
what Lakaramaki could end up be like, except we saw

1116
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,199
Marchenko's assists come around. I'm not sure that Lara Carmack

1117
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,360
is going to do that. He might, maybe he'll develop

1118
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,840
more of a playmaking He hasn't really yet, but let's

1119
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,519
hear what else he's developed. Jesse from our ever retail scout, If.

1120
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: A chill s out, Craig says of Jonathan Lcarrymakey skated

1121
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,760
his average does have the ability to burn defenders wide,

1122
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,880
but doesn't have the standout speed to make him a

1123
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,480
difference maker. The passing is below average, but he's the

1124
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,000
type of player that will double his assists with goals.

1125
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,920
The handling is slightly above average. When he has time

1126
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,360
and space, he can dance around defenders, and when he's

1127
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880
under pressure he usually ends up turning the puck over

1128
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:27,519
shooting above average. Enjoys lining up in the OVA line

1129
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:31,239
a circle, rebranding and letting the one time or rip. However,

1130
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,840
the accuracy and power is nowhere close to the above

1131
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,639
mentioned IQ below average. He does succeed when time and

1132
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,880
space are available, but Craig saw too many examples of

1133
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,840
Lakaraimakey throwing the puck away or making a poor decision

1134
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,960
when under any sort of pressure. The fore checking was

1135
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,880
average able to use cause the odd turnover by being

1136
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,800
in the passing lane, and he through the occasional hit

1137
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,800
as well. Defense average. Being a winger, nothing really stuck

1138
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,239
out defensively. As mentioned before, he does turn the puck

1139
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,880
over went under pressure, which might push him down to

1140
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,239
the below average range. So the best asset was the

1141
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,960
shot and the goal scoring ability the biggest concern, Craig says,

1142
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,760
one dimensional style of play. If he's not scoring goals,

1143
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,679
he's not going to be doing much else. The top

1144
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,760
tier outcome Tier two sixty point guy slightly below average BASH.

1145
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,000
If it all breaks for him and he can land

1146
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,840
in a top six roll, the goals will come. The

1147
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,679
median outcome Tier three fifty to sixty points also below

1148
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,840
average BASH, because he definitely has the ability to get

1149
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,320
a shot in the top six, but Craig doesn't think

1150
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,280
twenty minutes a game is going to be there with

1151
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,000
this type of game style istic comparable, Craig says, he

1152
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:42,800
reminds him of a Daniel Sprong. The goal scoring is there,

1153
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,440
but that's about it, and Mason Black the NHL ranking,

1154
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,599
doesn't mess around. He puts Lacari Maki up against Cole

1155
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,480
Isserman of the New York Islanders. Eiserman edges out Lacarry

1156
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,440
Maki in this case fifty nine to forty one percent. Victor,

1157
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,800
do you agree?

1158
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: I agree that Mason is really good at these comparables,

1159
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:06,840
because actually these guys are quite a bit like. The

1160
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,800
off puck issues are what continued to surround these two,

1161
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,480
and we haven't really seen that develop much from Lakaramaki.

1162
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:16,760
I think I would go Izerman here just because he

1163
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,840
has more time to develop that we haven't seen as much.

1164
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,119
He's not as far down the funnel Lakaramaki. It's been

1165
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:24,360
several years now and we continue to not really see

1166
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,280
much of a B game and much of a playmaking

1167
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,800
much of an off puck game. Ierman has been told

1168
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,039
is he says he's working on it. We'll see. We

1169
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,400
saw some of that flashes of it. Maybe he can

1170
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
be more consistent, So sure, I'll go with Izerman. Both

1171
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,599
of these guys are prototypes that aren't my favorite, but

1172
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,480
I know for some people they really like them, so

1173
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,800
maybe I can Maybe you could grab them and trade

1174
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,039
them to someone who likes them a lot more. Looking

1175
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:53,000
at the Hockey prospecting between the two, I Lakaramaki finished

1176
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,239
the model in just six percent chance of being a star,

1177
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,440
and Ierman started the model it's seventy two percent chances

1178
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,000
of being a star and went down to fifty eight,

1179
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,960
so still very high. He's got some pretty nice comparables.

1180
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,880
His two main comps in this model are Clayton Keller

1181
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,800
and Vincent la Caavier, which would be pretty amazing for

1182
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,920
col Eiserman, so clearly leaning Ierman in the Hockey Prospecting model.

1183
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,480
If you look at Cole Eierman's FHL player card, you

1184
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,519
see a lot better play driving and transition game. There's

1185
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:21,440
also quite a bit more bash. He hits a lot

1186
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,360
and his shots are really good. His blocks are not

1187
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,559
so good, but overall his bash should be pretty good.

1188
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:28,039
And he takes a lot of pims if you like that,

1189
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,639
some sort of thing sometimes at really an opportune times.

1190
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:32,880
But he does do a fair amount of that, and

1191
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,840
his playmaking quite a bit better than Lakara Maaki's, so

1192
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,000
this card shows a better improvement. Even though I have

1193
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:41,679
him at a six point sixty three, which is just

1194
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:45,000
slightly below Lakaramaki, I should probably outdate that because I

1195
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,039
do think I would take Ierman between the two. Looking

1196
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:51,960
at other comps for Lakaramaki, there's a Riley Smith, a

1197
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:54,480
Ryan Donato. I think that's probably the range that he

1198
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:57,480
ends up with. Guys that aren't really strong off puck

1199
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,119
or defensively, but their offense is good enough to be

1200
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,760
a regular middle sixer, and I think that's what we

1201
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,440
could see from la Karamaki looking at his J Fresh cards.

1202
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,599
Six percent chance of being a star, fifty six percent

1203
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,199
chance of being in NHLer. That's what we expect from Jfresh.

1204
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:14,039
Speaker 2: Who is your need to know prospect?

1205
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: Need to know prospect is Braydon Coots just a great

1206
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:22,599
name for one thing. Twenty twenty five, first round, fifteenth overall,

1207
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,079
six foot oh, one hundred and eighty five pounds. I

1208
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,119
remember the draft thinking that they passed on the Swede,

1209
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,280
on Victor Eckland. They passed on a couple guys, but

1210
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,639
the more I talk to the Western scouts, the more

1211
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,159
I realized how much they really like this guy. And

1212
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,239
it makes sense. He does a lot of really good things.

1213
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,800
He might be a center, and I think that's something

1214
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,079
that weighed into this heavily is that Braiden Coots certainly

1215
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:46,000
seems like he might be able to play drive enough

1216
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,599
to stay down the middle. He's a six foot oh

1217
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:50,920
one hundred and eighty five pound right shot center wing.

1218
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,840
He was with the Seattle Thunderbirds this past season sixty

1219
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,599
three points in sixty games, really strong production. He was

1220
00:59:56,639 --> 01:00:00,000
the captain, which is pretty unusual for a draft eligible player,

1221
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,159
so you like to see that. You look at his

1222
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,400
tracking data from Mitch Brown, offense, defense, transition, all in

1223
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,519
the eighties, all really solid. The lowest thing is probably

1224
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:11,199
his shots and his net expected goals, but his primary

1225
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:15,760
assists were high. His transition game excellent, His space creation,

1226
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,199
which is a whole category that Mitch has, boards to

1227
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,480
the middle and advantages created off puck assist, proactive contact,

1228
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,400
all of those things are excellent for Brandon Coots. And

1229
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,960
I think that's part of it too, is that he

1230
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:27,920
is a physical player. If you look at the FHL

1231
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,440
player card. You can see his bash at eighty five percent,

1232
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,760
so he shoots a fair amount. He also blocks a

1233
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,400
ton and he hits a lot, so all across the

1234
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,960
board he's pretty excellent for that. His pims are about average,

1235
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:42,599
but his play his transition game is excellent. His play

1236
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:44,920
driving is pretty good, and his prefs are good. He

1237
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,719
takes a lot of face offs and wins most of them,

1238
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,679
so that's all pretty good. I have him had a

1239
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,559
six point one five just because I want to see

1240
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,440
another step. I think part of it depends on how

1241
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:56,920
his WHL team fares this season, but he should be

1242
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,840
really good and be able to take the next step.

1243
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,760
Let's see what else can learn about Braidon Kots From

1244
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,039
FHL scout Jesse.

1245
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: Craig says, a Braiden Koots average skater good on edges,

1246
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:09,199
shows you can keep up on the backcheck not the

1247
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,039
type to burn defenders wide.

1248
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: Though.

1249
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: Passing and handling average Coots is always thinking one step ahead.

1250
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,280
The puck is usually on and off his stick with

1251
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,840
one touch passes. The shooting average able to pick a

1252
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,519
few corners in the games that Craig watch. However, these

1253
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:26,280
games were at the UA teams in the amount of

1254
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,400
time he had won't be there at the higher levels.

1255
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,480
That being said, when he was able to shoot the

1256
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:35,320
puck with pace and given the opportunity, he could finish.

1257
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,679
IQ Hockey IQ above average plays the game a step

1258
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:42,280
ahead of everyone else on the ice with very little panic,

1259
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,719
noses next move or pass before the defender gets to him,

1260
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,920
and the ford checking is above average, isn't afraid to

1261
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,039
get into the corners and throw his body around. The

1262
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,199
hit should come in slightly above average defense. Also, above

1263
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:59,360
average game reminds Craig a lot of Fraser Minton, not

1264
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,079
going to create a ton offensively, but will control the

1265
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:05,599
play and limit opposing chances. The best asset then the

1266
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:08,159
two way game. That'll be his ticket to the NHL,

1267
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,679
although it limits him to a middle six role. The

1268
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:14,360
biggest concern no real concerns other than for fantasy the

1269
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,039
points will never quite pour in the top tier outcome

1270
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:23,000
then tier two sixtieth point upside with good peripherals, good

1271
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:25,159
bash if he can translate and get the ice time

1272
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,920
that he would need, and the lower tier outcome would

1273
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,800
be a bit lower than that. Maybe we're last f

1274
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:34,559
fifty points with average bash. That's because he's likely going

1275
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:36,400
to find himself in the third line role in that

1276
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,840
scenario with limited upside and limited ice time and the

1277
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,920
stylistic comparable Adam Lowry is what Craig is going to

1278
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,519
say the NHL ranking Mason Black, what did he say?

1279
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:53,199
Braiden Koot's up against Cole Rashney, a Calgary Flame selection

1280
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:57,599
in this same class, and boy, Rashne took this one

1281
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,480
pretty handily, sixty six to thirty four percent. Victor, what

1282
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:03,039
say you?

1283
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 4: I did say all those nice things about Brandon Kotz

1284
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:08,960
and it's unfortunately he had to go up against Cole

1285
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,360
Reshnie because I agree this is a slam down. Cole

1286
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,079
Reshnie is in another league. I think he doesn't necessarily

1287
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,760
have the bash that Kotz does. I think he's gonna

1288
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,320
be kots will definitely be a better bacher. But Rashnie

1289
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,960
has elite points upside. He's one of the few guys

1290
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:25,559
in this whole draft that I think has point per

1291
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,159
game upside. So that is gonna send him to a

1292
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,199
different echelon. Well, he had a really good draft season,

1293
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:37,760
did Rashnee for the Victoria Royals, and he was almost

1294
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,559
a point a half per game there, pretty awesome stuff

1295
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:44,039
in the playoffs as well, and he is leaving to

1296
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:45,760
go to Nodak. I think that's really gonna help his

1297
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,079
development too. He's a little bit undersized at five eleven

1298
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:50,880
hundred and eighty five pounds, but he plays pretty physically.

1299
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,679
He at least proactively with some of his contacts, so

1300
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,679
I think that he can he can take the next step,

1301
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:00,360
and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a ton

1302
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,199
of points at no Dak. So I like Restnie here.

1303
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:05,639
I like both these guys. If you're more of a

1304
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,239
bangers league, I think it might be close, and maybe

1305
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,480
you would lean Kots, but I think that I would

1306
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:12,559
still take Cole Rashnie because the points upside is so

1307
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:14,679
much higher. If you look at the hockey prospecting between

1308
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,960
the two, Coots had eleven percent chance of being star

1309
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,639
based on his draft season, Rashnee up to forty percent,

1310
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,719
about four times as much. That's a lot. If you

1311
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,800
look at his FHL player card, Rashnie was pretty good

1312
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,280
in transition. His play driving was good. His bash only

1313
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,960
at sixtieth percentiles, so a little bit weaker on the

1314
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,599
blocks and hits, but really good for shots and his

1315
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:35,960
pims were a little bit higher, So all in all

1316
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,800
I have him at at seven point one. Oh, so

1317
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,599
he's one of the few guys in this draft class

1318
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,559
I had at a seven. Looking at some other comms

1319
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,320
for Brandon Kotz, there aren't a whole lot of good ones.

1320
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:49,000
Conor McMichael is one that he might look like Devin Satagucci.

1321
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,760
So there's some Austin Watson, some guys in there that

1322
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,079
there's a range. Looking at the j fresh card for

1323
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,119
Coots six percent chance of being a star, twenty eight

1324
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:00,760
percent chance of being in NHL or Jesse and Victor.

1325
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,239
Speaker 2: Who is to keep your eye on prospect.

1326
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 4: Keep your eye on is sire Mineo. He is a

1327
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,440
twenty twenty three to third round pick, six one hundred

1328
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,679
and eighty one pound left handed d He played this

1329
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,440
season in the WHL for the Calgary Hitman. He was

1330
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,920
started with the Seattle Thunderbirds and then he was traded

1331
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,880
to Calgary. Had pretty close to a point per game.

1332
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,360
He was a little bit over with Seattle and he

1333
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,559
was on that World Junior team for Canada, and so

1334
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,719
an up and down season. Didn't maybe have as many

1335
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,639
points as he would have thought, but he did have

1336
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:34,519
trade in the middle, so that was a little disruptive.

1337
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:37,400
He should be in the HL next season, and so

1338
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,039
looking at that. Looking at his FHL player card, you

1339
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:44,639
can see the sire Mineo pretty good in transition except

1340
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:46,559
with dumping and dump out, but the arrest of it

1341
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,920
pretty good. The fenwick good, the loose puck recovery very good,

1342
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,440
the net expected goals and course he not quite as

1343
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,119
good peripheral contribution hit and miss with Mineo. The shots

1344
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:58,960
are good, the blocks are average, the hits are not

1345
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:03,119
very good, so overall seventy percentile for Bash. But the

1346
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:06,039
passing and the shooting all look really good for him.

1347
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:08,840
We'll see if he can translate it. I'm not convinced.

1348
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,800
I think he can be an average roster player, which

1349
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,159
is why I have him at a five point three

1350
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:14,280
to five. But let's hear a little bit more about

1351
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,519
him from our FHL scout Jesse Sawyer.

1352
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: Mineo is Craig's discuss. He this time skating below average,

1353
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,760
able to hold his own and push offenders wide on

1354
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,760
the rush, but when it came to racing for the

1355
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,039
puck he often lost the race. The passing and handling

1356
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:34,480
slightly below average. Didn't see a lot of puck control

1357
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,480
from him, as he often deferred the puck to a

1358
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,760
close by teammate rather than making something happen himself. The

1359
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,920
few times he did try a long stretch pass at

1360
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,159
lacked pace and was intercepted, the shooting slightly below average.

1361
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:49,840
The few times he did get a shot off at

1362
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,400
good pace, but often getting blocked on the way to

1363
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:57,199
the net. The hockey IQ average anticipates the offense next

1364
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,400
move and able to hold them to the outside, venting

1365
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,760
any real scoring chances. Satya doesn't do anything flashy to

1366
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,719
really stand out or show his panic or poise under

1367
01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:12,360
pressure for checking. Mineo throws minimal heads and when he

1368
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,760
does is more of just a ruboff. His small stature

1369
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,840
needs to bulk up to have any hope for the

1370
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,960
NHL and the defense average able to use this body

1371
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,960
positioning to hold offensive players to the outside, but being

1372
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,920
a smaller stature, he isn't able to clear bodies around

1373
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,000
the net. The best asset maybe his ability to stay

1374
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,159
back and cover for an offensive minded defender. Honestly, there

1375
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:37,719
isn't much here for fantasy relevance is Craig's bottom line

1376
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,039
and the biggest concern. Lots but if he had to

1377
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:42,000
choose just one, he'd go with the lack of strength.

1378
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,320
We see NHL teams loading up with bigger and stronger defenders,

1379
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,760
and Mineo just doesn't fit this current mold. The top

1380
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,280
tier outcome, yeah, tier three, sixth or seventh defenseman with

1381
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,519
limited peripherals, and that's because Craig didn't see any offense

1382
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:02,679
and minimal peripherals, very little bash and the fiftieth percentile

1383
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:06,119
of the median outcome career AHL guy with limited NHL

1384
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:09,519
time because Craig just doesn't see an NHL player here,

1385
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,800
and it will be a depth role to play a

1386
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,199
minimum role. And the stylistic comparable is going to be

1387
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:21,119
Ian Mitchell, the NHL Mason King, Mason black Sler, Mineo,

1388
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:25,800
Terrence Smith. The selection of the Anaheim Ducks is up

1389
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,560
against him. Smith is the big winner this time, sixty

1390
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,720
to forty percent.

1391
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,199
Speaker 4: What you think, Yeah, I'm probably going to take Terren Smith.

1392
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,560
If there's one thing that holds true is that Anaheim

1393
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,000
knows had a draft defenseman, So in general, you're probably

1394
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,640
going to take the Duck when you can. And Smith

1395
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,640
had a really good season for Everett. He is a

1396
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,199
six to two hundred ninety pounds left handed d so

1397
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,920
similar league, and he was able to have a little

1398
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,640
bit better production. He was assistant captain there for Everett.

1399
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,760
We should see him there again. And overall there pn

1400
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,560
Itchley is similar, so is their hockey prospecting with Smith's

1401
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,439
just been a little bit above that. And you look

1402
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,720
at his FHL player card and there's a lot more green.

1403
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,960
There's a little bit better production across the board. His

1404
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:11,640
bash is even better at eightieth percentile, his blocks and

1405
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,760
hits are closer to average, and his shots are good.

1406
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,399
I have him at a six point thirty four, so overall, yeah,

1407
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,760
I just like him a little bit more. Looking at

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some other CompCert Sier Mineo Jordan Harris is probably a

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reasonable one who we're seeing kind of struggle to stay

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afloat in the NHL. He might be closer to a tweiner,

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so that might be where Mineo ends up. Looking at

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the j Fresh card for Mineo, one percent chance of

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being a start, eighteen percent chance of being an NHL

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are so pretty pessimistic there, Jesse. That's all for the

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Vancouver Canucks dig. If you're a patroon, you can listen

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to my top ten prospect Recap on Patreon, and if

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you're interested in doing any scouting or helping out the show,

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shoot me a DM on Twitter, Discord, or email us.

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Speaker 2: Come right back close.

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Speaker 5: Up the show.

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Speaker 2: Before I Levia, I would be remiss not to mention

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the people who help make fantasy hockey life possible by

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contributing their time and energy to it. The tidy leagues

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which you heard about at the beginning of the show,

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are an enormous amount of effort, and thank goodness for

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Tim who's really stepped up this offseason and to the

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whole Commissioner Crew, Simon, Ryan, and Craftzer for their work

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in making these things happen. Tony and Patrick are lead

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scouts and make things happen like the scouting reports you

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heard today. Mike, Steven and Matt are doing behind the

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scenes work for these show prep the sheets that Victor

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and I use for our interviews and for the Dynasty

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dig Brandon helps with website prospect ranks and visualizations. If

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you have skills you'd like to lend the show, hit

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Victor up in the discord, email or social media. We're

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also brought to you by Dabra Hockey Dapper Prospects, Victors

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four different sports and you should have a listen. Social media,

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else you get podcasts. Thank you for listening to the

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Vancouver Canucks preview of the twenty twenty five team preview series.

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Until next time, keep living that fantasy hockey life.