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you man? Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Good. I'm doing good then.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a cold and dreary day here, but trying

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to just stay warm inside.

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the high desert in which we live. Many we are

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grateful most definitely for the moisture. You mentioned cold. Mentioned cold,

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and I want to talk coop with you. I kind

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of previewed it a little bit, but there was a

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tweet I thought it was hilarious. About fourteen hours ago.

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I woke up in the middle of night, you know,

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due to unexpected circumstances, and I was like, I can't

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go back to sleep. I'm just gonna go on Twitter.

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Like that's that's what you do, right, I see what's

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going on? Tour Trey Alexander tweet quote tweeted, Uh this

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West Coast College sports guy that was featuring war remort

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War Memorial Stadium, Laramie, y Owming And like, I played

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it at Laramie, Wyoming. Cameron, you you played there? How

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would you? How did you? Cameron Jens in November? You

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played at night in November? And lem, why would you

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describe that? Because, like, I mean, Lane just said it's

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cold here? How cold was it?

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Speaker 5: Well? Our plane got struck with lightning on the way there.

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It actually like it did, but I guess that happens. Oh,

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that was miserable. It was windy at our hotel, the

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hotels out in the middle of nowhere. That cold night

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game it was it was. It was not fun. Yeah,

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I was not one of my most memorable experiences. But

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we got but we were bull eligible after that. Okay,

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what you was that so fine?

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Speaker 2: I think Lavelle once said it's better I would rather

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lose and live and probe with than than win and

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live in Laramie. What an iconic quote that was. But

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check this out. So Trey Alexander quote tweets this featured

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post of War Memorial Stadium, and there's actually some good

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photos here. I actually got to play at Laramie in

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the daytime. It wasn't as cold. It was a little

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bit windy and blustering, and I had to run out

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the flag and so that was a little bit difficult.

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But this is what Trey said. And I want to

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get your reaction to this lane. The lieutenant damn, the

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lieutenant Dan said, ask him why is it so bad?

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Trey Alexander b way defensive back replies, there are no good,

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good hotels within like an hour of the school. The

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food out there is terrible. The visiting locker, remember the

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visiting locker really small. Is the size of a small

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that shin stand and we were sitting knee to knee.

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Speaker 4: I've been to Laramie. So I drove through Laramie years

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and years ago, and it was during the middle of

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winter and it was quite blustery. I have never been

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Speaker 3: Laramie, and I love it.

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Speaker 4: However, I have heard the horror stories of playing there,

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Speaker 3: Such a funny, funny quote, it right, that said it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lavell said it once upon a time.

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Speaker 3: It was so fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a great one. Yeah, we need a little

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levity before we start talking about this BAU basketball team

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prepping for Texas Tech. We hope we pray fingers crossed,

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everyone praying fast for a victory over the Red Raiders

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so that we you know, we're not having to send

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out welfare checks for all of Cougarnation quite honestly, because

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they're in dire straits right now. They're mentally and emotionally fatigued,

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as with all the losses. But give me your purview,

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give me your from your purch what you're seeing from

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this Boa basketball team. Why has everything gone awry with

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this hoops team?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's what everyone else has said, right,

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it's the injuries. I think this team was built very

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top heavy, and the supporting cast just isn't up to

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par with what we've had in years past, and so

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we're asking guys that probably weren't going to have a

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lot of playing time, we're asking them to do a

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lot more than what they anticipated doing, right, And so

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it's the injuries, and hopefully it's something. I mean, we

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have to give some grace to Kevin Young, Right, this

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is only the second ever roster that he's put together

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at the college level. The first one even last year,

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he had a very abbreviated time to actually put something together.

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To really give them, you know, give them some grace

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and hopefully we learn from this in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that they figure it out right the

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construction of uh, I think you bring up the best

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point here. Like I do feel like yu fans is

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it's gotten like worse down the back end of the schedule.

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They haven't had as much grace for the season ending

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injuries because the effort hasn't been there. Like fans are

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willing to give grace, right, as long as there's a

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fervent effort of trying offensively, defensively, reboundingly, right and that's

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the issue right now. It's the lack of effort. It's

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the body language collectively as a team. And you're a fan,

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you're a contributor. We all buy tickets, we all show up,

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you know, Cougar Club and all that stuff. Like you know,

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as a fan, isn't that what drives you a little

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bit crazy and you begin your your patience where stand

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if the effort's not there?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think it comes that like we can

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place blame on the coaching. I mean, obviously they take

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a percentage of that blame, but I'm not sure there's

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a guy on this roster who is holding the other

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players accountable. I mean to some to some degree, you

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can say that Richie potentially was doing that before the

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injury happened, but even then, like, I don't know who

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who the guy is this year. That's like kind of

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rallying the troops, is it? Aj?

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Speaker 3: Is it Rob?

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Speaker 4: I have a hard time believing that it's well, I

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have a hard time believing it certain players, but it's

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it's I wonder who is that player who's trying to

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to rally the troops now to get through the remainder

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of this regular season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they have somebody. I think,

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I don't know if they really can lean on anybody

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think is trying the best that he can. You know,

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I think I saw like a video post pregame. Uh

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you know, I think the night before this last game,

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and it was like Rob Wright, kJ Perry, Xavieran State

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and aj Debonsa. They were playing this like this hand

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karate on air game where you have to like turn

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or like you miss, and and so like bau fans

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see that it's on TikTok or it's on Instagram, and

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they're like, these guys don't care. These guys don't care.

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They're playing games before a big game. They don't care.

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And then you see the lack of effort, like you know,

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and you wonder, like, you know, money is a big

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thing here. Okay, So money is is a driving force

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right now in the college athletics game, and you wonder

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how sustainable it is. You We thought for a moment,

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with the house settlement and these universities being capable of

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allocating twenty million dollars in payroll to the team the players,

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that this would we're kind of put a cap on it.

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We wouldn't have like this like arms race not so fast.

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That's not what happened. Collectives are still chipping in pay

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rolls for basketball teams, like you're like, you know major

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basketball teams. I mean it's ten million plus now it

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and it's going to continue to go up eventually, right,

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Like donors may get donor fatigue. Do you think that

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will happen or do you think they'll continue to just

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throw cash at these uh, these universities and try to

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figure out some sort of tax deduction along the way

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that's the component right there that I'm

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less familiar with, just understanding what the incentive is for

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some of these like super high donors. Why why they're paying,

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like what's in it for them? But I do think

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that like if the product that they're putting out on

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the court isn't delivering, yeah, they're gonna look for other

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other means or other other ways to get those tax deductions.

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I mean, first of all, these are people who have

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excelled in whatever field of life they're in, and so

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if they see something like like some of the stuff

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that you were talking about and just a poor basketball product.

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Speaker 3: You have to.

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Speaker 4: Assume that eventually they're gonna be like, yeah, I think

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that with other schools in the area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is the thing, are you are we

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seeing a little bit of lack of effort from players

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around the country because they are getting paid and that's

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all they really set out to do is get paid

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rather than win. They're getting paid, then they may they

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like winning, but they don't hate losing. Are we seeing

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a little bit of that? Uh uh? That that that

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that I don't know, that element of the game showcasing

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itself even at a at b YU right.

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Speaker 3: Now, potentially.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's hard to say. I think that's

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more of a case by case basis with some of

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these athletes. But I think that there absolutely are players

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out there who couldn't have ever dreamt of making a

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million dollars in college or or whatever. And for those individuals, yeah,

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I mean we see it all the time. Even in

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the NBA. You see a guy get his first major

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contract or whatever, and all of a sudden he disappears

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into the you know, into the abyss, and you never

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see him perform at the same level that he did

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when he was like working towards that contract. And for

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some of these athletes, they know, like you know, they

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so they're kind of just like enjoying their times, you know.

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But like I said, you can't make a blanket statement

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across all players.

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Speaker 3: I think that might be.

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Speaker 4: True for some if it's I don't know if it's

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true for some of the individuals on our team. But

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I mean, one thing's for sure is we're obviously struggling,

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no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Lane, tell us a little bit about you know, maybe

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we got to send this be with your basketball team

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't.

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Speaker 4: We don't mess with any of that stuff. We let

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the athletes they work with their traders and all that

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Speaker 3: But we do we do want to see guys, right.

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guys start getting older, right, and we have a lot

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Speaker 4: And so if you're if you're thinking to yourself, hey,

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that sounds a lot like me. I after lunch, I

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take a nap every day, or I'm just not feeling

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the recovery after the workouts like I once did.

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Speaker 3: Come in.

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Speaker 4: There's lots and lots of different services that we provide

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that help you be your the best version of yourself

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just a routine blood test. So come in, get that free,

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Speaker 2: Give them a call, set up appointment. You get VIP products,

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VP service, VP discounts. Whenever you mentioned myself or ESPN

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the Fan, my guy Lane Alo, thanks so much, Lane,

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appreciate you hopping off for a little world to b

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Speaker 4: I thanks done, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Man is always a pleasure, always a blessing talking about

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with Lane Alo. Go in there, get back into the game,

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ladies and gentlemen. Any thoughts Cameron Jensen about kind of

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the state of college athletics. We thought that the house

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settlement would would would put us in a good position

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payroll keeps going up. You know, we thought that would

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be a cap It is an arms race, There's no

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doubt about it. And then furthermore, we when you see

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maybe lack of effort as a fan, as an investor

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of the program, maybe you're investing in nil, you're kind

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of supporting an aiding in that that payroll. That may

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get you to retract those funds and you may look

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for other possible tax deductions. L that's whey, rather than

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allocating it two guys that don't seem grateful for the

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filthy luker that you bestowed on them.

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Speaker 5: No, it's already happened. I remember Troy Aikman would donate

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to UCLA and he said, I donated the guy transfer,

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you know, and he said, I'm not doing that anymore

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now we don't have a transfer problem. But I think

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that does you know how the team performs. And I

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thought he made a great I'm gonna kind of do

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a tangent. Bind made a great point on who is

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the guy holding him accountable on the team. I believe

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that was Richie. I think k Young's tried to get

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aj and Right to take that role, but that's just

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not kind of who they are at this point, and

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so I think there's I thought that was a great

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point he made. But then going in with this money, Ben, Yeah,

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I mean that's just human nature. You're getting paid and

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it doesn't matter if you win or lose. That's you know,

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that's a motivation. Obviously you want to win, but you

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made a great hate to lose. There's a big difference

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to that, and so I think it does create a

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little bit of complacency with it. At the same time,

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though you're still a competitor. It doesn't matter. You know,

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the greats are competitive no matter or how much is

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going in their wallets or not. And so there is

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that passion in that that you want to see. But

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it is an interesting dynamic. I can't even imagine Van

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playing and getting the checks these players are as wild

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going back to our years, what that would have been

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like for us and how would would that have affected

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in certain ways because it wasn't there a scholarship. Checks

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were fairly enough to get us get us through the

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first of the week of the.

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Speaker 2: We were living big with our nine hundred dollars checks.

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Speaker 5: You know that included rent and food every We weren't

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getting all the free meals. We couldn't get free meals.

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Speaker 2: No free meals, Yeah no, And I think the like

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compliance would come in everybody, no meal, don't take anything

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from fans or donors or routes.

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Speaker 5: We couldn't even work football camps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't work Yeah, these like extracurricular

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jobs and stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: So it's a different world. But I think the greats

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compete and you don't want to do it, but yeah,

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it's it's it's a unique that I'm still wrapping my

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head around looking at what these kids are making and

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how it how that implements everything.

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Speaker 2: Did you agree though the pendulum did need to swing it? Did?

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I wish?

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Speaker 5: I'm not. I'm like I it did need to and

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I'm glad and I'm not one of those Oh I wish.

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It's just hard for me to understand as a player

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what that would have been like at that point in

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our career. So yeah, I think I'm glad it did.

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I'm so happy because I know what it does to

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your body and what the players are doing and the

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value that they're creating in a lot of ways for

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the university, and then that value needs to be shared

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with those that are creating it. So I'm a big

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advocate for it, but it's still hard for me to

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comment on it like that. What would that have done

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to change? You know? So?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what would you have done with the money?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What do you think you would have done with the money?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you don't know. I again, yeah, I'm

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a saver, you know that bad. I would have bought

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a probably car Like these guys go down to practice,

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I see a lot of my raptor. There's a lot

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of raptors out there. I'm like, man, it's it's a look.

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this is an NFL.

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Speaker 2: A lot of scooters, a lot of like some bikes,

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some bikes, uh, some used four cylinders.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm seeing all these raptors that.

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Speaker 2: Some beaters, some beat trucks. Everyone could hop into the

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back of the beat like the beat trucks, like those

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like toyotas that don't have they have they got the bed,

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but they don't have like the cab.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean they're making more than a

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lot of the coaches are. And it's yeah, and I

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know they probably have resources around Hey, you know, this

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might not be what you get paid every year after

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you get done playing, but let's be smart with it. Yeah,

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no doubt, but it's a great thing.

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Speaker 3: Then.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great thing, and I think it

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needed to is bound to. I wish it would have

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happened sooner. Yeah, you know, around around two thousand and

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one two. I thought it would have been a great

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year for that to be implemented.

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Speaker 2: It would have been great, Like yeah, I mean, I

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mean I if I looked at you know, hours allocated.

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what is the scholarship in in monetary value?

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Speaker 5: I remember, forget, but you've done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean at the time tuition and granted

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b YUS tuition is cheap, but I think it was

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around I want to say it was around like twenty

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five hundred per semester or something like that, super duper cheap.

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But let's like for the the the education you get.

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but anyway, twenty five hundred bucks you know, per semester,

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which is great. We did have like food during fall camp, right,

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Speaker 5: Donuts in the morning before fall Campay, there was bagels.

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Speaker 2: There's apples and oranges and bananas. You just chose the donuts. No,

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I remember there being donuts. I don't remember seeing all that.

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cars on like chocolate milk, chocolate milk and donuts.

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Speaker 5: No, but anyway, I know we did have some meals

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and after practice we had after food and so then

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and then if you made the travel squad you'd get

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fed at those great by the way we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good stuff. But anyways, like I I

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looked at it with like, you know, your strength conditioning

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and lifting and cardio stuff. You're probably making at BYU

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about thirteen to fourteen dollars an hour at the time,

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which everyone that's like a student that's working is like, well,

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that's a great job. In two thousand and five, that's

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a great to thirteen fourteen dollars an hour, that's really good.

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You know, it's really good. Now other schools, like if

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you had to like three x that with the education

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against then yeah, you're looking at you're looking at you know,

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sixty thousand dollars you know, value seventy thousand dollars value

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for the hours allocated because it was a full time job.

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I mean you got to realize too, like all your tasks,

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your tasks, You're like, you go to football practice, you

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get in thirty car accidents, literally thirty car accidents, you know,

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especially if you're a linebacker, running back or an offensive

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defensive line and then you'd have to go ahead and

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compete in the classroom.

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Speaker 5: And by us, no, no joke, man.

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Speaker 2: It was you were on such a like like a

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mis leveled playing field, you know what I mean, just

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weren't there so anyway that was the cash equivalents, so

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you would have been it like that twenty twenty five

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hour you know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not complaining. We got a SCHOLARGI. I guess it

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was a blast to play.

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Speaker 2: Your education though, was not the same as the individuals

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that you were in class with. It was not no,

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because it no, it wasn't. It was not the same.

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It was not the same. It was like, well, no,

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you went to class. I was like, yeah, yeah, but

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I was not spending three hours in the library and

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in the lab because I was watching film because the

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back of my name said Crittle on it, and I

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was gonna go after play in front of a million people,

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and if I sucked, everyone's gonna remember that I suck,

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and they were gonna remember that I got an A

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plus on this test rather than a B minus.

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Speaker 5: You did just enough to kind of get by during

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those during the season, you.

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Speaker 2: Had to have some come to Jesus talks with your

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your your teacher's like, look, there's a lot of pressure

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on me this week. Anyway, we'll go to break. Guys,

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