Speaker 1: All right, So get this today, we are diving deep
into a story that's uh, it's both fascinating and controversial.
You know. So we're talking about the Grand Canyon, Okay,
but not the usual like breathtaking vistas and hiking trails, right,
We're going deeper.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: This is about what might lie hidden beneath the surface.
And it's a mystery that has captivated explorers, yeah, and
fueled all kinds of conspiracy theories for over a century.
Speaker 2: For over a century.
Speaker 1: I know, it's pretty crazy. Yeah. So what I think
is so compelling about this story is how it kind
of brings together all these different elements. What do you mean,
you know, archaeology and adventure, whispers of a cover up,
all set against the backdrop of one of America's most
iconic landmarks.
Speaker 2: The Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So it all begins back in nineteen oh nine with
this explorer named uh ooh g e King Cake g
Eking kid. Yeah, and he was on this expedition down
the Colorado River oh wow, you know, just charting the
untamed waters of the canyon and something unusual catches his
eye really yeah, Like high up on the canyon wall,
there's this discoloration in the rock. Huh that just hinted
at something man made.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So driven by curiosity, like any good explorer, of course,
Kincaid decides to investigate. So what happens next, Well, this
is where the story takes a pretty dramatic turn. I
bet he finds all these steps steps, yeah, carved into
the sandstone, leading to a hidden cave entrance. Oh wow.
And what he found inside? What it wasn't just another cave?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: It was this meticulously constructed underground complex. Wow. I mean
suggesting a level of sophistication that just is so far
beyond what we typically think of when we think about
the indigenous cultures of the region.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder for sure, what else is out there?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: So you find down.
Speaker 1: There, Well, Kincaid was really zero okay. He documented everything everything. Yeah,
Like he described this whole network of tunnels and chambers,
and some of them were massive, Like how big? Big
enough to hold thousands of people?
Speaker 2: Thousands of people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, right, it's huge. It wasn't just the
scale that was impressive, okay, but it was also evidence
of advanced technology and like really sophisticated cultural practices.
Speaker 2: What kind of evidence.
Speaker 1: Well, for example, he found these granaries stocked with preserved seeds.
Preserved seeds, Then that indicates they knew about agriculture and
long term planning.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, you know, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's the metal working areas. Yeah, and particularly
evidence of copper hardening techniques.
Speaker 2: Now that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: It is because copper hardening strengthens the metal. Yeah, but
it wasn't widely practiced until like much later in history.
So if Kinkaid's right, if he's right.
Speaker 3: This would totally challenge our understanding of technology exactly at.
Speaker 2: That time period.
Speaker 1: It would suggest a level of advancement. Wow, that just
doesn't fit with what we think we know.
Speaker 2: I can see why people are so fascinated by it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And it gets even crazier because then there's
the crypt Aid describes this, is it like this chilling scene, Oh,
with rows and rows of mummies.
Speaker 2: Mummies in the Grand Canyon, I know, right, Wow?
Speaker 1: And they were all male huh, all male, laid out
in this ceremonial fashion. That's so strange, with all sorts
of intriguing artifacts.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that gives me chills just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I know, can you imagine being surrounded by all these
silent sentinels. It's like whispers from a forgotten past.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So at the heart of this complex, there's this
central chamber and it's dominated by this large statue described
as Buddha like Buddha like yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So this detail, if true, right, raises all these questions
about cultural exchange for sure, and how religious ideas could
have traveled across continents. That would be incredible, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Kinkaid realizes, okay, this is a huge discovery. Yeah.
So he contacts the Smithsonian Institution.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Pre eminent scientific body in the US. He sends them
artifacts uh huh, detailed notes of everything he's found. A
team led by Professor S. A. Jordan arrives at the canyon.
Speaker 2: Wow, ready to excavate.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ready to explore this incredible underground city.
Speaker 2: So what did they find?
Speaker 1: Well, what they found just deepens the mystery.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: They uncover thousands of artifacts, thousands, thousands soars shields, this
intricately crafted pottery. Wow, strange cat's eye stones.
Speaker 2: Cat's eye stones? What are those?
Speaker 1: It's just these like unusual stones huh. But most importantly
stone tablets covered in hieroglyphics.
Speaker 2: Hieroglyphics, Yeah, that's wild, it is.
Speaker 1: But the expert struggled with what to decipher the writing.
They couldn't definitively identify the civilization they created all these objects.
Speaker 2: I see there.
Speaker 1: Were some similarities to Egyptian and Tibetan cultures, interesting, but
with unique elements that just defied easy categorization.
Speaker 2: So they couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: Nope. Wow, And then what the story takes a turn
into the shadows, both Kincaid and Professor Jordan.
Speaker 3: Vanish vanish without a trace, like completely gone gone Wow.
Speaker 1: And their disappearance, coupled with the Smithsonian's subsequent silence on
the matter, silence like they didn't say anything about it, Wow,
fueled all this speculation about a cover up.
Speaker 2: A cover up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Were they silenced to protect a narrative Okay that
challenged the accepted history of North America? He makes you wonder,
it really does. Yeah, and that's the question that is
haunted researchers and just like armchair archaeologists of course, for
over a century.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So did this Smithsonian known for you know, favoring certain
archaeological theories. Did they deliberately bury evidence of a civilization
okay that predates Native American presence in the region.
Speaker 2: This is where it gets really interesting, it does.
Speaker 1: This is where the story really captures the imagination and
delves into the realm of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So let's like unpack some of the arguments, right that
are presented by those who who believe there was a
deliberate effort to suppress Kincaid's findings.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: One point that is often raised is the Smithsonian's historical
preference for isolationism, isolationism over diffusionism.
Speaker 1: Okay, so remind me what does are again? Right?
Speaker 3: So, isolationism is the idea that civilizations develop independently, while
diffusionism emphasizes the role of in and exchange between cultures.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they believe that civilization just kind of arose
exactly independently, rather than through like contact and trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the basic idea.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I guess that makes sense in some cases.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: We do tend to think of cultures as kind of
these isolated bubbles, right, But history is full of surprising connections.
It really is, like when you look closer.
Speaker 2: Think about the Silk Road, for example.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that vast network of trade and cultural exchange
that spanned continence exactly. So diffusionists would argue that those
interactions were key to shaping civilizations.
Speaker 1: Well, isolation is kind of downplay.
Speaker 2: That, right, They emphasize independent development.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see, And.
Speaker 2: How does this relate to the alleged cover up in
the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it this way, Okay.
Speaker 3: If the Smithsonian was really committed to isolationism, Okay, any
discovery that hinted at transoceanic contact or cultural exchange in
ancient North America, it would, like, yeah, totally challenge their
fundamental beliefs.
Speaker 1: It'd be a big problem for them, huge. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Imagine finding I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, evidence of Egyptian influence in the Grand Canyon. Oh wow,
it would be a paradigm shift. It would change everything.
Speaker 1: It'd be like finding a Roman chariot buried in your
backyard exactly. It just wouldn't fit.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't fit at all with.
Speaker 1: What we think we know exactly. And then there are
all these reports, right, yes, scattered throughout history.
Speaker 2: Of giant skeletons being unearthed.
Speaker 1: Giant skeleton, yeah.
Speaker 3: All across North America, and these accounts they were often
documented during legitimate excavations, they seemed to.
Speaker 2: Just vanish from.
Speaker 3: The official records, really leading some people to accuse the
Smithsonian of deliberately sweeping them under the rug.
Speaker 1: It's like something out of a movie, is you know,
like a conspiracy thriller, These powerful institutions hiding evidence that
could change history.
Speaker 2: It's a compelling narrative, it is.
Speaker 1: But is there any actual proof of this?
Speaker 2: Well that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 1: Or is it just you know, is it just speculation
and people wanting to believe in something more exciting. It's
possible what really happened.
Speaker 3: While the existence of giant skeletons is often dismissed as
folklore or misinterpretations, it is interesting that these stories appear
in so many different cultures and time periods.
Speaker 1: That is interesting. It makes you wonder if there's something
more to it.
Speaker 2: If there's a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe buried beneath all the myths and exaggerations.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what about the restrictions on exploration in the
Grand Canyon, Right, because people who believe in the cover up.
They often point to these restrictions as evidence that, well.
Speaker 2: That something's being hidden.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's true that access to certain areas is tightly controlled,
and the official reason is safety concerns, okay, and environmental protection, right, But.
Speaker 1: For some people that's not enough. It's easy as suspicious. Right.
Speaker 3: It's like that old saying when you see a keepout sign, Yeah,
it makes you more curious about what's on the other side, exactly,
you want to know what they're hiding.
Speaker 1: And then you have these eyewitness accounts too, of unmarked
planes and helicopters monitoring people. Yeah, like watching those who
try to get into the restricted zone.
Speaker 3: It definitely creates a sense of secrecy, it does, and
raises questions about what they're protecting.
Speaker 1: But are those accounts reliable?
Speaker 2: That's the thing. They're often hard to verify.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It could be anything, right.
Speaker 2: It could be misidentified civilian aircraft.
Speaker 1: Or something more clandestine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1: Know for sure, and that's just adds to the mystery.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: Then there's the names of the rock formations. Oh yeah,
in these off limits areas.
Speaker 2: What about them?
Speaker 1: Many of them reference what do you mean Egyptian and
Hindu deities. No way, Yeah, Like isis Temple, tower of
set Horus Temple, huh, the kiaps Pyramid, the Buddha Temple.
Speaker 2: That's quite a coincidence.
Speaker 1: It's a little too strange to just be random. Don't
you think it is a bit odd? Like are these
names just whimsical choices by early explorers or are they
clues to a forgotten past.
Speaker 2: Echoes of a time when these cultures might have been connected? Exactly,
It's a fascinating possibility.
Speaker 1: But of course the Smithsonian denies all of this, right
they do. They say there's no cover up.
Speaker 2: They dismissed the Kincaid's story as a hoax.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a story made up to sell newspapers.
Speaker 3: Which, let's be honest, Yeah, would have been quite a
scoop back then.
Speaker 1: A sensational story like that, absolutely, Oh yeah, it would
have sold a lot of papers.
Speaker 2: And Skeptics also point to the lack of hard.
Speaker 1: Evidence right likewise, well.
Speaker 3: No official records of Kincaid's expedition have been found, really,
and no one has ever been able to verify the
authenticity of the artifacts.
Speaker 1: Huh, So it's all based on his word essentially, and
what about the restricted zones. They say it's for environmental protection,
they do, which makes sense, I mean it does.
Speaker 2: The Grand Canyon is a delicate ecosystem.
Speaker 1: And they say the names of those rock formations, yes,
are purely coincidental, the random choices with no connection to
ancient Egypt or India.
Speaker 2: That's their explanation.
Speaker 1: But then how do they explain the unmarked aircraft?
Speaker 2: Right, that's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: Because those reports, yeah, they can all be made up, right, while.
Speaker 2: There's no official explanation.
Speaker 4: Some people suggest that the sightings could be misidentified civilian aircraft, okay,
or maybe government agencies conducting routine patrols for what you know,
for security or environmental purposes.
Speaker 1: Plausible it is, But I bet for those who believe
in a cover up, yeah, that's not going to be enough.
Speaker 2: It's not going to change their minds.
Speaker 1: So we're left with this, like this tug of war.
Speaker 3: Between these tantalizing clues and official denial.
Speaker 1: On one hand, you have the possibility of a hidden civilization,
advanced technology, and a massive conspiracy to keep it all secret.
And on the other hand, you have conventional.
Speaker 2: History, the lack of solid proof.
Speaker 1: And maybe just our desire our desire.
Speaker 2: For a more exciting.
Speaker 1: Past clouding our judgment.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say for sure.
Speaker 1: But even if we forget about the cover up for
a second, Okay, the story doesn't end there. It doesn't
because people are still trying to find Kincaid's cave. Really,
even today, people are still searching why. They're driven by
a desire to uncover the truth.
Speaker 2: They don't trust the official narrative.
Speaker 1: They believe there's more to the story. I can understand that,
and they're willing to go to great lengths to find it.
Like who, Like Jerry and Kathy Wills, who are they?
They've dedicated years to this to what to researching and
exploring the area where Kincaid supposedly made his discovery.
Speaker 2: Wow, dedicated and get what?
Speaker 1: They claimed to have found evidence of a base camp,
a base camp used by the original explorers like Kincaid
and Jordan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that would actually support Kinkid's story.
Speaker 1: It would if it's true. But they've faced a lot
of resistance.
Speaker 2: What kind of resistance?
Speaker 1: Not just red tape and bureaucracy, but something more. They
tried to explore from below, retracing Kincaid's alleged route, a
military helicopter showed up. Wow.
Speaker 2: Seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were forced to stop.
Speaker 3: That's pretty intimidating, I know, right. Was it just a
security concern or.
Speaker 1: A deliberate attempt to stop them from exploring further?
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just another piece of the.
Speaker 2: Puzzle, another layer of mystery.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what are they hiding exactly if.
Speaker 3: There's nothing to hide than while the secrecy we're dealing.
Speaker 1: With this story that's over one hundred years old, wow,
passed down through whispers.
Speaker 2: And rumors fueled by speculation, And while.
Speaker 1: The lack of solid proof might make some people doubt.
Speaker 2: It, it does just.
Speaker 1: Seems to make others more determined to find the truth.
They believe the truth is out there, hidden somewhere.
Speaker 3: It's a powerful motivator, it is. So why do you
think the story resonates with people so.
Speaker 1: Much after all these years? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why do we care?
Speaker 1: I think it's because we're all drawn to mysteries. Mysteries
add to the possibility that there are secrets hidden just
beneath the surface of what we think we know.
Speaker 3: The thrill of the unknown exactly, the chance to rewrite history.
Speaker 1: What if our past is more complex? And exciting than
we ever imagined. That's what keeps people searching. Yeah, it's
like we can't resist a good puzzle, right, especially one
that makes us rethink everything we thought we knew exactly.
And this Grand Canyon story, yeah, it was has it
all right?
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: A lost explorer, a hidden city, a possible cover up.
Speaker 2: And this incredible landscape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the Canyon, it'sself full of mysteries, so much mystery,
and we can't forget what the people who have called
this place home.
Speaker 2: You mean the indigenous tribes exactly, especially the Hope, Right.
Speaker 1: They have their own stories they do about the Canyon's.
Speaker 2: History, and they offer a very different perspective.
Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated by indigenous cultures tune, the way
they connect to the land and how their history and
beliefs are woven into their stories.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: So what kind of stories do the Hope you tell
about the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2: Well, for them, the Canyon isn't just a natural wonder.
Speaker 1: It's more than that.
Speaker 3: It's a sacred place. It's a portal to the underworld,
the underworld and the place where they emerged into this world.
Their creation myth tells of their ancestors climbing up from
the depths of the canyon. Wow, led by Spider Woman.
Speaker 2: Spider Woman a supernatural being.
Speaker 1: So they believe they came from inside the earth.
Speaker 2: That's what their stories say.
Speaker 1: Guided by this powerful spirit. Exactly a powerful image it is.
It makes you realize that history is always told.
Speaker 2: From a particular point of view.
Speaker 1: Yeah, through a cultural lens. And the Hopie also have
these stories about the ant people.
Speaker 2: The Ant people, I heard of them.
Speaker 1: They're these beings who help the Hopie ancestors by giving
them shelter during a time of great floods.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: They describe them as wise and compassionate.
Speaker 3: Leading them to safety underground, underground in these caverns.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting, is it? Because we have the idea
of underground shelters in both Kincaid's account and the Hope legends.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if there's a connection.
Speaker 1: A shared memory or ancient knowledge.
Speaker 2: Passed down through generations.
Speaker 1: May be woven into both stories.
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 1: And then they're the tales of the Huffassouvi.
Speaker 2: The Huff Massouvi, there's.
Speaker 1: Mysterious people with advanced technology.
Speaker 2: A kind of technology.
Speaker 1: They had these silver canoes that flew through the sky
silver canoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like UFOs, Yeah it does.
Speaker 1: It like ancient myths and modern mysteries are colliding.
Speaker 2: Blurring the lines between history and belief and what.
Speaker 1: We think we know exactly makes you wonder if we're
missing something.
Speaker 2: There's more to these stories than we realize.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about exploring these mysteries.
Speaker 2: What do you love?
Speaker 1: It's not about finding all the answers.
Speaker 2: It's about opening our minds to new possibilities, right, challenging
what we think we know, and.
Speaker 1: Accepting that there are things we may never fully understand.
Speaker 2: The vastness of the unknown exactly.
Speaker 3: So, going back to the Grand Canyon, Okay, did Kincaid
really find an ancient city?
Speaker 1: A city built by a civilization we know nothing about.
Who were these people, where did they come from, how
did they.
Speaker 2: Develop such advanced technology?
Speaker 1: And what really happened to Kincaid? In Professor Jordan, Did.
Speaker 2: They just get lost in the canyon.
Speaker 1: Or were they silenced.
Speaker 2: Their knowledge deemed too.
Speaker 1: Dangerous, too disruptive to the accepted version of history.
Speaker 2: And the biggest question of all the cover up? Was
there really a cover up?
Speaker 1: Did the Smithsonian hide the truth to protect their own theories.
Are they part of a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Or are they just trying to preserve history.
Speaker 1: We may never know for sure, but that's part of
a mystery. It keeps us asking questions.
Speaker 2: Keeps us searching for answers.
Speaker 1: It reminds us that history isn't just a bunch of
facts in a book. It's a living thing, always changing,
always evolving, a conversation that never ends.
Speaker 2: And this story, the Grand Canyon Mystery.
Speaker 1: Is just one chapter in that larger story.
Speaker 2: The story of humanity, our search for knowledge, our need
to understand our place.
Speaker 1: In the world. And who knows what other secrets.
Speaker 2: Are out there, hidden just beneath the surface.
Speaker 1: Waiting to be uncovered.
Speaker 2: What other mysteries will challenge our.
Speaker 1: Beliefs and changing how we see the world.
Speaker 3: So keep exploring, keep questioning, keep that curiosity alive, because
Speaker 1: You never know what you might find.