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Speaker 1: That's Porter Larson producing the program behind the Glass.
Speaker 4: Today.
Speaker 1: We've got a busy, busy show on the program. The
Speaker 1: latest on the NBA trade deadline on Thursday. It comes
Speaker 1: and goes, what will the Utah Jazz do? If anything?
Speaker 1: Some conversation that I've had over the past twenty four
Speaker 1: hours indicates the Jazz aren't done. I think John Collins
Speaker 1: is going to be traded. And I will get into
Speaker 1: this and I'll tell you why where I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna go. Jazz played a game last night, entertaining game
Speaker 1: last night against a really good team. Indiana has been
Speaker 1: a lot better as of late. They're twelve and two,
Speaker 1: in their last fourteen and the Jazz had them on
Speaker 1: the ropes. It was one of the more embarrassing closing
Speaker 1: games that I've seen in pro basketball this year. A
Speaker 1: horrible Clarkson turnover, Kyante dribbling the ball through his legs
Speaker 1: and then shooting a step back three when they needed
Speaker 1: a bucket. So the Pacers get that win, one twelve
Speaker 1: to one eleven. The Jazz will welcome in hopefully Stephan
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Speaker 2: That game comes our way tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Big game in Provo tonight.
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Speaker 1: get to all these storylines. And of course it is
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Speaker 2: And so we'll get you ready for the super Bowl
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 1: How about college football schedule release day?
Speaker 2: Huh right, you guys are pumped for that.
Speaker 1: Utah gets their football schedule. B WHYU gets their football schedule?
Speaker 1: These two teams will play this season on October the eighteenth,
Speaker 1: which is so dumb, it's beyond dumb. It's ridiculous. I
Speaker 1: do not know why this decision was made. We will
Speaker 1: get into it.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: This is ultimately the time where everybody is now debating
Speaker 1: who has the harder schedule. B. Why you were Utah
Speaker 1: breaking new is? Nobody knows. Arizona Day was picked to
Speaker 1: finish sixteen in the conference last year. But we'll do
Speaker 1: some Utah schedule release on the program today and give
Speaker 1: you some thoughts on what I think they got right,
Speaker 1: what I'm hoping they will look at a little bit
Speaker 1: differently and just kind of go from there. I missed
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. I'm not going to keep doing that,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk to Utah schedule on the program today
Speaker 1: as well. So little NBA trade deadline, Little Jazz trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic interviewed. Excuse me introduced in Los Angeles this morning.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, still Phoenix and Golden State. What could be
Speaker 1: next on the landscape for the Utah Jazz. We'll get
Speaker 1: to some Super Bowl, We'll get to some college football
Speaker 1: and some college basketball on ZIP program today. So first guest,
Speaker 1: right out of the gates, the voice himself, the Voice
Speaker 1: Bill Riley, stops by Voice of the Utes. We'll do
Speaker 1: some Utah football schedule release, we'll do some Utah basketball,
Speaker 1: and of course we'll talk Super Bowl, Chiefs and Eagles.
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Speaker 2: After Bill stops by.
Speaker 1: It has been a very busy seventy two hours for one.
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon Band McMahon, who wrote the piece, kind of
Speaker 1: outline outlining exactly out this went down, including that tidbit
Speaker 1: that the Jazz didn't even know what trade they're facilitating
Speaker 1: until it was too late. So Tim stops by today,
Speaker 1: typically a Friday staple of ours.
Speaker 2: But Chris Camaradnie, we're gonna get him out of his house.
Speaker 1: Because it's sixty two degrees for a good hour with
Speaker 1: Ck where we'll do a little bit of a deep
Speaker 1: dive into the college football schedule release Dave Fox in
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Speaker 1: ten thirty five, Cam Well you Cam you five questions
Speaker 1: with Spence.
Speaker 2: Had a good time in that direction.
Speaker 1: So Bill Riley, Tim McMahon, Chris Camaradnie, Dave Fox, Me,
Speaker 1: Spence Check. Its all of you, the great listeners on
Speaker 1: this Tuesday. Happy Tuesday to you, Happy sixty three three
Speaker 1: Tuesday in February to you and that guy port Larson
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday Utah BYU Football October eighteenth is like nonsensical.
Speaker 1: According to ESPN stats and info employed by this station,
Speaker 1: namely Zach in the middays and now you in the afternoons.
Speaker 1: The last time BYU and Utah played football in October
Speaker 1: was nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
Speaker 5: Yes, nineteen sixty seven, Spence Mike Giddings would have been
Speaker 5: the head coach. He was at the time recruiting one
Speaker 5: of his little league players named O. J. Simpson to
Speaker 5: Salt Lake City. Little connection there the Jews. Yes, if
Speaker 5: you go back to nineteen sixty seven, the last time
Speaker 5: they played in October, I don't. I mean, they're in
Speaker 5: the same conference. I don't really care whatever happened.
Speaker 2: To the Jews.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty quiet post football career. I always
Speaker 1: respect people to just go and do their own thing
Speaker 1: after they're done playing football.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't really hear much after that, but seriously, had
Speaker 1: what are we? What are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: I scheduling this football game in mid October?
Speaker 5: It's a It's different for me, but at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, this is this is just a big
Speaker 5: twelve matchup.
Speaker 1: Listen. I I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: Don't be that guy.
Speaker 5: You're not building the schedule around the Holy War. I'm
Speaker 5: just glad that it's happening.
Speaker 1: Don't be a gen z Utah fan that vapes and
Speaker 1: streams on Twitch. I don't do either of those. I
Speaker 1: don't do any of those things. Don't lie you stream
Speaker 1: on Twitch, I don't. I don't even play video games
Speaker 1: or vape.
Speaker 5: Actually, if I come in contact with nicotine, I smoke it.
Speaker 5: So if I'm around of Epe, I'll hit it, but
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't buy then, just to be honest.
Speaker 1: Look, I understand your points. Okay, but we're in the
Speaker 1: same conference now, it's no longer rubbing it in that
Speaker 1: they're not in the conference. This is one of the
Speaker 1: best rivalries in the entire country, if not.
Speaker 2: The Big Twelve. And by the way, the game last.
Speaker 1: Year for Big twelve fans that were unfamiliar a pretty
Speaker 1: decent first Foray in a Big Twelve play. That game
Speaker 1: was highly rated. It was awesome to to finish. I
Speaker 1: think it's silly, that's just me. Yeah, I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you. It'll be weird.
Speaker 5: It'll take some getting used to what team? What are
Speaker 5: they playing on rivalry weekend?
Speaker 1: UAH plays Kansas and the YU plays UCF.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we're not even doing a Revelie week I guess, hey,
Speaker 5: Rivalry Week, Spence is when you play the rivalry game.
Speaker 5: So I think we're making too much a deal of it.
Speaker 5: Rivalry Week is October eighteenth.
Speaker 1: Now you're digging with everyone'szagging. You're trying to be impossible.
Speaker 1: Nobody agrees with you. This is a dumb day to
Speaker 1: play this game.
Speaker 5: Well, at least today we have the Voice of the
Speaker 5: Youths formerly known as ESPN seven hundred Bill formally Notice
Speaker 5: Artists formally known as indeed, Tim McMahon, Chris com Ronnie.
Speaker 1: We got the crew to discuss it all. We're going
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Speaker 1: All right, even though Porter's being difficult and he's being
Speaker 1: a gen z Utah football fan who vapes and streams
Speaker 1: on Twitch while he's playing World of Warcraft, even though
Speaker 1: he doesn't do any of that. Utah football schedule released today.
Speaker 1: Big twelve schedule released today. So Utah will open up
Speaker 1: against UCLA in Pasadena and then they come home for
Speaker 1: cal Poly. September the sixth will be Utah's home opener.
Speaker 1: They travel to Laramie to take on Wyoming. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was contractual because it feels unnecessary. And
Speaker 1: then Big twelve play for Utah begins on September the twentieth.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech rolls into town for Utah's Big twelve opener.
Speaker 1: They're at West Virginia, they're home against Arizona State, They're
Speaker 1: at Brigham Young, and then they're home against Colorado and Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: so that you know, the stretcher really stands out.
Speaker 2: A lot of random early buys for teams.
Speaker 1: Utah will have a buye between West Virginia and Arizona State,
Speaker 1: so it's good.
Speaker 2: Did the Utes get a.
Speaker 1: Buye before welcoming into defending Big twelve chance to Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. But that stretch where they go home against
Speaker 1: Arizona State at BYU home against Colorado is pretty tough,
Speaker 1: sandwiched around a road trip to Morgantown in a home
Speaker 1: game against Cincinnati, and then they finish off at Baylor.
Speaker 1: You know, Baylor really turned it on at the end
Speaker 1: of this year. Last year, David Randa Save's job. K State,
Speaker 1: who will be one of the favorites in this conference,
Speaker 1: roles in a Salt Lake City that'll be a heavyweight matchup,
Speaker 1: and then the final game at Kansas and Lawrence, And yes,
Speaker 1: I will just be the guy that bemoans the fact
Speaker 1: that Utah BYU is being played on October the eighteenth,
Speaker 1: jam packed right in the middle of the schedule between
Speaker 1: two really good teams, Arizona State and Colorado. The good
Speaker 1: news is Utah doesn't leave the state between October eleventh
Speaker 1: and November the first.
Speaker 2: Because of Arizona State at home.
Speaker 1: They're at BYU in Provo, then Colorado Cincinnati, and then
Speaker 1: they'll finish with two of their final three on the road.
Speaker 1: And so of course everybody's doing the thing today where
Speaker 1: you try to analyze, Okay, who has the easier schedule
Speaker 1: Utah BYU. Who has the more difficult schedule Utah BYU.
Speaker 1: Here's a jerky little secret nobody knows because it's freaking
Speaker 1: February and we don't know what these teams are going
Speaker 1: to look like come fall. On the BYU side of things,
Speaker 1: they open things up against Portland State in Provo. Then
Speaker 1: they'll host Stanford in Provo, a really random early by
Speaker 1: for BYU September thirteenth. There's actually I think four Big
Speaker 1: twelve teams that have a bye that week, and then
Speaker 1: they'll be at East Carolina that is contractual. I think
Speaker 1: they're finishing off that deal with East Carolina. Their Big
Speaker 1: twelve opener will come September the twenty seventh. That fulsome
Speaker 1: field in Boulder against Colorado. Then they come home for
Speaker 1: West Virginia. They're on the road against Arizona, they host Utah,
Speaker 1: and the week after they host Utah, they go to
Speaker 1: Jack tries to take on Iowa State. That's a tough
Speaker 1: ask for BYU bye week after that then it's Texas Tech, TCU, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and UCF. So Schedule release day never been a huge
Speaker 1: like schedule release Day guy, but hey, it's college football.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Your road trip opportunities as a Utah Utah youth football fan, Pasadena, California,
Speaker 1: late August, go do that place in golf that'll be lovely.
Speaker 1: And then Laramie, Wyoming, Morgantown, West Virginia, Provo, Utah, Waco, Texas,
Speaker 1: and Lawrence, Kansas. I'm excited. What are you looking at
Speaker 1: me like that for? I'm pumped for these markets. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're judging me.
Speaker 5: I feel I feel as though, remember, your feelings are
Speaker 5: not facts.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I know you feel this way, but it's
Speaker 1: not factual.
Speaker 5: Well, my feelings are also in the vast minority on
Speaker 5: this particular one.
Speaker 1: But I'm stoke for Laramie.
Speaker 2: We'll send you out now.
Speaker 1: We'll get to basketball at a moment, but of course
Speaker 1: we'll do the schedule release to start things off. And
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna ask right off the top, why
Speaker 1: Utah BYU October eighteenth? The last time these two teams
Speaker 1: played football in October? I think you were twenty five.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I to be honest with you, I have no idea.
Speaker 7: I mean, I got the November thing, like early November
Speaker 7: but the middle of October is an odd time for
Speaker 7: that to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 7: Maybe they're downplaying it, maybe they don't have any other
Speaker 7: good games that day, but you would think I kind
Speaker 7: of I didn't mind November ninth last year. Sometimes you'll
Speaker 7: get buried on other rivalry Saturdays, but it just seems
Speaker 7: like an odd time to play it, right, smack dab
Speaker 7: in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: Anything else really? I mean, look the difficult part about
Speaker 1: you know, a day like today where fans just want
Speaker 1: to know, like, Okay, is it a hard schedule or
Speaker 1: is it an easy schedule? Arizona State was picked sixteenth
Speaker 1: last year. I have no idea if this is a
Speaker 1: hard or an easy schedule. But other than byu Utah
Speaker 1: October the eighteenth down in Provo, anything else really jump out?
Speaker 1: When you saw the release?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's a that's a good back to
Speaker 7: back right there. Here's the thing, I just until we
Speaker 7: know what these rosters are going to definitively look like,
Speaker 7: and I shoot, like you just said, we knew what
Speaker 7: Arizona State's roster was going to definitively look like. They
Speaker 7: had sixty new faces, and they go sixteenth and they
Speaker 7: finished first. I don't have a great feel for it.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think Utah is going to be better.
Speaker 7: I mean, if Devin dan Pierre is anywhere close to
Speaker 7: the guy they think he is, I think they're going
Speaker 7: to be better this year. I just quote, get competent
Speaker 7: quarterback play, We'll get him there. I'm looking at that
Speaker 7: stretch that there's two three game stretches. I'm looking at
Speaker 7: the Arizona State BYU Colorado stretch and then that I'm
Speaker 7: telling you that stretch to end the year is going
Speaker 7: to be difficult. Baylor got better last year. I mean,
Speaker 7: we saw a bad version of Baylor in Salt Lake.
Speaker 7: Last year. They finished really strong, and that game's down
Speaker 7: at Waco. They bring back their quarterback. Kse State, who
Speaker 7: we didn't see a year ago, homes the Salt Lake,
Speaker 7: but they bring back their quarterback. They're a team that's
Speaker 7: built a lot like Utah. And then that final game
Speaker 7: of the year at Kansas. I'm just gonna say this,
Speaker 7: it could be possibly the two most dynamic quarterbacks in
Speaker 7: the Big Twelve squaring off again. If Devin dan Pierre
Speaker 7: continues to play how he did at New Mexico and
Speaker 7: Jalen Daniels is healthy. So those two three game stretches
Speaker 7: Arizona State, BYU Colorado and then Baylor, K State and
Speaker 7: Kansas and two of those three to end the season.
Speaker 7: That's those could be two tough stretches for Utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that k State game here at home. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: have massive implications. Obviously, there's a lot of football. Will hell,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of time between the football and then
Speaker 1: there's a lot of football between you know, the start
Speaker 1: of the season and that game. But that game when
Speaker 1: Case State rolls into town, that certainly could be a
Speaker 1: heavyweight fight. Ultimately, the non con you know, UCLA is
Speaker 1: the first game Pasadena will see. I mean, that program's
Speaker 1: been down for a while. And then cal Poly. You know,
Speaker 1: we all know the deal. At some point, games I
Speaker 1: guess will probably go to go away. So BYU is
Speaker 1: going to East Carolina and I know that that is
Speaker 1: a contract. The tom asked honor. Is that the same
Speaker 1: thing with Wyoming? Like what's what's what's the motivation heading
Speaker 1: up to larre Me or just trying to fill a schedule?
Speaker 7: Well, now that game was scheduled a long long time ago.
Speaker 3: OK, got it.
Speaker 7: In fact, I think you was scheduled almost ten years ago.
Speaker 7: And I just know this in conversations with people, it's
Speaker 7: it's you know, people are like, well, just buy yourself
Speaker 7: out of that game. Well, you know that's I don't
Speaker 7: know the exact figure I'm going to guess that would
Speaker 7: be if you tried to buy yourself out of a
Speaker 7: game like that. First of all, Wyoming wants that game.
Speaker 7: Second of all, it's expensive to buy yourself out.
Speaker 4: Of games with D one schools.
Speaker 7: Now, if you're playing A one double A or something
Speaker 7: like that's a little cheaper, but it's hard to do
Speaker 7: with that. It doesn't always make economic sense. So that
Speaker 7: that game has been on the schedule for a while,
Speaker 7: Wyoming will come back here. But yeah, that was that
Speaker 7: was done about. I think I think about ten years ago.
Speaker 1: UCLA has been down for a while. You know, their
Speaker 1: first year in the Big Ten, they go three and
Speaker 1: six overall, or three and six in Conference five and
Speaker 1: seven overall. I'm not going to sit here and tell
Speaker 1: you I'm ready to give you an accurate preview of
Speaker 1: the UCLA Bruins next year, but I suppose starting things
Speaker 1: off an opponent that may not be that challenging yet
Speaker 1: is out of a P four conference, is something that
Speaker 1: you can kind of look forward to.
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on the opening game against Ucla?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 7: I mean they struggled a little bit last year. Deshaun Foster,
Speaker 7: I think was their first year quarterback or head coach,
Speaker 7: had never been a head coach before. I think they
Speaker 7: got a little bit better though as the year went along.
Speaker 7: But if you're going to play a P four school,
Speaker 7: I think Ucla still kind of trying to figure out
Speaker 7: where it falls in the Big Ten and going down
Speaker 7: there it's familiar territory. I think I like that as
Speaker 7: an opener, especially with cal Pauly and Wyoming on the schedule.
Speaker 7: So I think again, based on what they did a
Speaker 7: year ago and not seeing a lot of hyper or
Speaker 7: vibe about them in the Big Ten, I think that's
Speaker 7: not a bad place to open.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They actually, to your point, went through a stretch. Now
Speaker 1: Ethan Garber's was a senior, so he's gone. But to
Speaker 1: finish off the year the second half of the year,
Speaker 1: they won at Rutgers, they want at Nebraska, then they
Speaker 1: want at home against Iowa, and they gave Washington and
Speaker 1: Southern Cali good game before winning at Fresno to finish
Speaker 1: things off.
Speaker 2: Just the start of the season was rough. They had
Speaker 2: a pretty rough schedule.
Speaker 1: They got smoked by LSU, Oregon and Penn State and
Speaker 1: then played a little bit better.
Speaker 2: So yeah, to your point, they didn't prove a little
Speaker 2: bit all right.
Speaker 1: So when you look at the let's let's let's let's
Speaker 1: break this in two parts. So the home schedule is
Speaker 1: cal Poly, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Colorado, Cincinnati, Kansas State.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna be the guy that
Speaker 1: says I missed the Pac twelve every single year, but
Speaker 1: I do and I continue to. But with the with
Speaker 1: the options bill at our disposal, that's not I mean, look,
Speaker 1: cal Poly, you know the deal. They're going to get
Speaker 1: a check, They're going to go fund their athletic department
Speaker 1: and then we'll see what most of these teams are about.
Speaker 1: But just on paper, first glance, Arizona State, Colorado, k
Speaker 1: State three good conference on games.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, those are three of the top six in
Speaker 7: the Big twelve coming to your place, Arizona State and
Speaker 7: Arizona State.
Speaker 4: Spence.
Speaker 7: You know, even going back to the PAC twelve days,
Speaker 7: everybody was looking for that rival of the Pac twelve
Speaker 7: and oh it's you, and it was never usc come
Speaker 7: on Via. They played good games, but that wasn't I
Speaker 7: always felt like Utah and Asu there was a little
Speaker 7: bit of an edge and some chippiness there, and there
Speaker 7: were good games played in Salt Lake and in Tempe.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 7: And I think that, you know, as they play in
Speaker 7: the Big twelve too, that could it's kind of reagion.
Speaker 7: Utah recruits a lot of kids out of Arizona. They
Speaker 7: go ahead to head and recruiting. I like that game,
Speaker 7: Dion and and the road show comes to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 7: I don't mind that. In Kansas State, man, they're not glamorous,
Speaker 7: kind of like we you know, people used to talk
Speaker 7: about Utah. They're not glamorous, they're not sexy, but what
Speaker 7: do they win a lot of football games? And that's
Speaker 7: what Case State does too. So those three games all
Speaker 7: falling kind of in the second half of the schedule.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good home schedule BYU.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we did this exercise last year and
Speaker 1: as we've already outlined, it's just impossible to know who
Speaker 1: has the easier schedule, who has the harder schedule, but
Speaker 1: BYU does return a grip of talent. Where do you
Speaker 1: think preseason top twenty five? Where do you think Brigham
Speaker 1: Young Lands next year.
Speaker 7: I've seen a lot of early polls that have them
Speaker 7: in that kind of nine to twelve thirteen range, and
Speaker 7: based on what they did this past year, Okay, don't
Speaker 7: I don't value them quite that high. I think they're
Speaker 7: a top twenty five program for sure. I think they
Speaker 7: were one of those teams. You know, It's kind of funny.
Speaker 7: Utah was on the other side of the ball bouncing
Speaker 7: their way, and I thought the ball bounce BYU's way
Speaker 7: quite a bit. I'm not saying that the disparage the program.
Speaker 7: I think they're really good. I'm not sure they're a
Speaker 7: top ten program, but I think there's somewhere between fifteen
Speaker 7: and twenty five.
Speaker 4: Does that sound about right to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would guess fifteen sixteen. What about I'm assuming
Speaker 1: Arizona State also ranked? But which other Big twelve teams
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you guessing as of now will be in the
Speaker 1: preseason top twenty five?
Speaker 7: Best guess I'm gonna say Arizona State, though I mean
Speaker 7: cam Scattaboo's a big loss.
Speaker 4: To look around at that a little bit.
Speaker 7: Kansas State's got a chance, Baylor might have a chance.
Speaker 7: Depending on the hype around Colorado, they might have a chance.
Speaker 7: I'm going to say in the preseason top twenty five
Speaker 7: that there's probably four, maybe five Big twelve teams ranked,
Speaker 7: but probably not many more than that Utah. Some people
Speaker 7: are gonna I mean, Bill Connelly from ESPN picked them
Speaker 7: to win the league, and I don't think you could
Speaker 7: make a case for that, certainly. I think a lot
Speaker 7: of people when they come to preseason and offseason polls
Speaker 7: are prisoners of the moment. They look back at the
Speaker 7: year before and see a down year for Utah. So
Speaker 7: it won't surprise me if the Utah left out of
Speaker 7: the top twenty five at least to begin the season.
Speaker 2: One more football question.
Speaker 1: Then we'll move over to some hoops and obviously get
Speaker 1: a little Super Bowl talk with you as well as
Speaker 1: somebody who has now called games in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: and as somebody who has experienced, you know, growing up
Speaker 1: and going to school in the Midwest. Road trip options
Speaker 1: Pasadena right out of the gates, Go ahead and do
Speaker 1: that in August, play some golf and then Porter's juice
Speaker 1: to head up to the you know, to the Wyoming game.
Speaker 1: He wants to go to Laramie. So we're gonna send
Speaker 1: Porter up to Laramie very early. Maybe stop at some
Speaker 1: Flying J's and grab some chicken sandos.
Speaker 2: Not judging.
Speaker 1: So Laramie, Morgantown, Provo, Waco, Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 2: Those are your road trip options.
Speaker 1: Give us the Bill Riley Zagat guide to trips and
Speaker 1: cities and restaurants.
Speaker 2: Where should you fans look to go if.
Speaker 7: We're taking well, we know what the Rose Bowl is,
Speaker 7: most ute fans know what Laramie is, so we'll wipe
Speaker 7: those off the board. I've never been to Morgantown for
Speaker 7: a football game, so I am looking forward to. I
Speaker 7: hear it's a great college town, and I hear it's
Speaker 7: a great atmosphere. And rich Rod's back at West Virginia.
Speaker 7: I think that they got a chance to be sneaky good.
Speaker 7: It's not easy to get to You kind of have
Speaker 7: to fly to Pittsburgh and make an hour and a
Speaker 7: half drive south. But I would say Morgantown, Wacoh. Not
Speaker 7: much in Waco to be very fair. Some BUCkies, you know,
Speaker 7: truck stops, they're okay, Kansas, it's going to be late November,
Speaker 7: so there's that.
Speaker 4: But the stadium, it's going to be a brand.
Speaker 7: New football stadium, assuming they get it finished and they're
Speaker 7: not playing an Arrowhead again. Lawrence is a great college town,
Speaker 7: and Kay, you's got a chance to be pretty good
Speaker 7: next year again if the Daniels kids stays healthy. So
Speaker 7: I would rank the trips for college town atmospheres, Lawrence, Morgantown,
Speaker 7: and then probably Waco is where I would go.
Speaker 1: All right, moving over to some hoops and I wanted
Speaker 1: to start here, and I know I can remember back
Speaker 1: in the day when we were working together every day,
Speaker 1: you had an old school picture of you and you
Speaker 1: and I think it was Roy Williams. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: That is correct?
Speaker 1: Have you ever called a Kansas basketball game? Like when
Speaker 1: you think about the fact that Kansas is rolling into
Speaker 1: saut Lake and you will be calling Utah Kansas basketball, Like,
Speaker 1: has that kind of landed where it needs to in
Speaker 1: that brain of yours, Because this is a pretty cool
Speaker 1: thing that you have on the horizon for your career.
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, I got to when I was in
Speaker 7: college the student radio station, we had a seat court
Speaker 7: side so I got to call some games my senior
Speaker 7: year at Allen Field House. Nice the Utes played the
Speaker 7: Jayhawks in that one off game in Kansas City, and like, oh,
Speaker 7: was it fourteen or fifteen? So I did call one
Speaker 7: in Kansas City. But this will be the first time
Speaker 7: they come here, so it'll be fun.
Speaker 4: It'll be fun.
Speaker 1: And you know, Kansas is good, they're talented. They've been
Speaker 1: a little bit up and down. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with Iowa State. They were top five.
Speaker 1: Now they've lost three straight. But let's get over there
Speaker 1: to the Utes now. And you know, ultimately, after winning
Speaker 1: three straight games in the Big Twelve, including a win
Speaker 1: over Brigham Young, maybe some folks got a little bit
Speaker 1: over their skis with excitement. And of course since then
Speaker 1: it's you know, losing three or four. Since you and
Speaker 1: I last spoke though a trip to Oklahoma State, where
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, all right, they're kind of
Speaker 1: in this, but I don't feel like they're gonna get
Speaker 1: over the hump. They couldn't get over that like seven
Speaker 1: or eight point deficit. Every time they would make a
Speaker 1: little bit of a charge, turnovers or they'd miss a shot,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State would capitalize. So it felt like Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: was in control most of the game, although Utah did
Speaker 1: keep it competitive. Bill, if the Utes are going to
Speaker 1: try to compete for anything even semi special, you know,
Speaker 1: eight nine, you know, eight nine conference wins year one
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve, they're gonna have to find something
Speaker 1: on the road. That seemed like a good opportunity because
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is not top shelf. But what did you
Speaker 1: make of that eighty one seventy two loss.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a good loss, Spence.
Speaker 7: Oklahoma State had just lost Kansas State by twenty eight.
Speaker 7: You know, Utah beat them by twenty one. It was
Speaker 7: really the start of the game that did them in.
Speaker 7: Craig and I talked about it on the Coaching Show
Speaker 7: last night. They just they didn't come out on the
Speaker 7: defensive end with great energy, and they let Oklahoma State
Speaker 7: kind of dictate. And Oklahoma State's not a great offensive
Speaker 7: basketball team, but they let them dictate at home, and
Speaker 7: they got down like twelve three and then fifteen to five.
Speaker 7: And they always, as you were just kind of alluding to,
Speaker 7: they were always kind of just playing from behind just
Speaker 7: a little bit, and they just, you know, again, teams
Speaker 7: are going to play well at home. They were kind
Speaker 7: of a wounded animal. But you know, with a chance
Speaker 7: to kind of get a season sweep against a team,
Speaker 7: especially on the defensive end, they they and Oklahoma State
Speaker 7: get to the line too many times. So it was
Speaker 7: a disappointing loss for sure. Tomorrow night's about the closest
Speaker 7: thing you have to a chance for a really easy
Speaker 7: bounce back. Colorado is really struggling right now. They've lost
Speaker 7: ten in a row, haven't won a Big twelve game yet.
Speaker 7: You're back at home tomorrow night, so you got to
Speaker 7: circle Tomorrow night as one of those Gidwell games.
Speaker 1: Has Craig said anything to you about because we had
Speaker 1: Craig on the show on Friday and I asked him
Speaker 1: and whenever you say tinkering to a coach, you kind
Speaker 1: of cringe because you know they take that as an insult.
Speaker 1: But the rotations and the lineups, like every night, it
Speaker 1: feels like it's different every night. There's a guy who
Speaker 1: didn't get run the game before who comes back and
Speaker 1: gets seventeen eighteen minutes. Is this kind of like he's
Speaker 1: going to bring whatever the night needs rotationally or do
Speaker 1: you think he's still trying to figure out sort of
Speaker 1: what hand he's been dealt.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: I think he's trying to figure out who's going to
Speaker 7: bring it for him sometimes, if that makes sense. You know,
Speaker 7: it's really been up and down at the point guard spot.
Speaker 7: Miro Little had that great game against Failor, and he
Speaker 7: struggled the last couple of games. Mike Sharp Johns had
Speaker 7: some struggles, but now he's playing a little bit better.
Speaker 7: And you know, boy, if you want to be consistent
Speaker 7: at any one position on the floor, you'd love for
Speaker 7: that point guard to be that spot where you're consistent.
Speaker 7: So I think Craig and his staff are just trying
Speaker 7: to search for those guys that are going to give
Speaker 7: him not one game of consistency, but several games of consistency.
Speaker 7: And I think that's why you've seen some of the
Speaker 7: some of the lineups.
Speaker 1: All Right, you already alluded to this, but let's just
Speaker 1: get a thought before we get over the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Let's get a.
Speaker 2: Thought on the game tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: It is Colorado, and Colorado is probably the worst team
Speaker 1: in the conference because you know, zher to ten and
Speaker 1: then look at West Virginia at Cincinnati. I said this
Speaker 1: after the Cincinnati win I'm like, look, like I said
Speaker 1: to you, they have to find some road wins, and
Speaker 1: it felt like they had a four game stretch with
Speaker 1: three on the road with some winnable games. West Virginia
Speaker 1: solid and that's a tough place to get a win.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that would be a cake walk,
Speaker 1: but ultimately they also have Cincinnati, who they already beat.
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on just a must win game tomorrow
Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake, then.
Speaker 2: Give me a quick thought on the two game roady
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Colorado game is one you've got to have. Again,
Speaker 7: as mentioned, they've lost ten in a row. They're just
Speaker 7: they've had some injuries. They don't have the same talent
Speaker 7: that they've had in recent years. He's had some NBA
Speaker 7: guys in recent years, including one that's playing for the Jazz.
Speaker 7: So it's they're just they're lacking talent right now and
Speaker 7: being at home and coming off the game Saturday tomorrow
Speaker 7: night's one that I think that they should they should
Speaker 7: probably get. As far as the road games go, there's
Speaker 7: not an easy road game left Spence, West Virginia, not
Speaker 7: easy Cincinnati on the road. I know they beat them,
Speaker 7: but you know, the Cincinnati team is pretty good at
Speaker 7: home UCF.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 7: UCF has beaten Kansas, They've taken Houston to the wire.
Speaker 7: They're tough.
Speaker 4: And then your other away team is going.
Speaker 7: To be Arizona and BYU, So yeah, rote you know
Speaker 7: they're going to be tested on the road for sure.
Speaker 7: And then you're bringing Kansas here, West Virginia here too.
Speaker 7: So this second half of the first half of the
Speaker 7: schedule was difficult for you. Till the first ten, they
Speaker 7: had the fourth most difficult schedule in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 7: But it's the Big Twelve. It's not like the second
Speaker 7: half's going to ease up a bunch either.
Speaker 1: So all right, super Bowl fifty nine in the Big Easy.
Speaker 1: Hopefully somebody is going to go over to Dani Seafood
Speaker 1: and hab A Shrimp po Boy in honor of Bill
Speaker 1: and Space Great, Oh my gosh, that was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite weeks that I've ever had in doing this
Speaker 1: for a living. That was so fun for our listeners
Speaker 1: that are wondering what you're talking about. Bill and I
Speaker 1: did a week worth of shows prior to the Sugar
Speaker 1: Bowl back in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: the Utah one, of course over Alabama, and we did
Speaker 1: every show at a restaurant called Deani Seafood and they
Speaker 1: fed us for free and it was awesome. And Bill
Speaker 1: over the loudspeaker called Nick Saban arrogant, and somebody told
Speaker 1: Bill to go back to his Mormon church, to which
Speaker 1: I responded, I'm not sure that means. What do you
Speaker 1: think it means to that guy? But anyway, but that
Speaker 1: was such a fun week about.
Speaker 3: That part of it, that is right.
Speaker 1: How did you forget that those.
Speaker 7: Arrogant Alabama fans that were in there almost they were
Speaker 7: just being so they were being so petty and just
Speaker 7: like they were patting us on all you guys are.
Speaker 4: A cute little team.
Speaker 7: And then I said Saban was a little arrogant, and
Speaker 7: that was really before he'd ever won anything at Alabama.
Speaker 7: And yeah, that one guy did not want to have that.
Speaker 2: Did he go back to Mormon church? He says to Bill.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, all right, well, I guess that's the
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit because we're a Utah radio station. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that was an awesome week and the game, of course,
Speaker 1: I still think that's the best individual single win in
Speaker 1: the history of the program.
Speaker 2: But that's just me.
Speaker 1: I am stunned Bill that the line has not moved
Speaker 1: at all. It opened up at one point five. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs are still a one point five point favorite, and
Speaker 1: you know the money line is now even, but the
Speaker 1: over runner forty eight point five.
Speaker 2: What's your gut tell you?
Speaker 1: Do you think you guys in trouble or are the
Speaker 1: refs just going to give you another Super Bowl?
Speaker 7: Well, okay, thank you for that they I think it's
Speaker 7: going to be a really good game. I like Kansas
Speaker 7: City's chances. By the way, stat of the day I
Speaker 7: read this somewhere today. Patrick Mahomes is fifteen to zero
Speaker 7: in indoor games. He's never lost a game in a
Speaker 7: dome geeze.
Speaker 4: So I think it's a good if. Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 7: If if they can run the ball with any real
Speaker 7: success and they get kind of a lead, a seven
Speaker 7: to ten point lead, I think the Eagles will win.
Speaker 7: I don't think the Chiefs can afford to let the
Speaker 7: Eagles get up, you know, even ten points on them,
Speaker 7: because I think if they're doing that, that means they're
Speaker 7: running the ball well, controlling the clock and keeping the
Speaker 7: Homes off the field. If Kansas City can get off
Speaker 7: to a good start. You're not going to stop Saquon,
Speaker 7: but if you can slow him down, hold him to
Speaker 7: seventy five, eighty five, maybe even just one hundred yards
Speaker 7: and none of those sixty yard runs he seems to
Speaker 7: be breaking every other game.
Speaker 4: I think they have a good chance to win that thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not betting against, so I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: What are your plans for the Super Bowl? What are
Speaker 2: your plans for the Big Game?
Speaker 1: Anything?
Speaker 4: Fun?
Speaker 7: I'm going to be in Cincinnati watching the game because
Speaker 7: I'll be on the road with the Utes.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, man, all right.
Speaker 7: Can I ask you a quick question?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Go ahead, Please think about this.
Speaker 7: Yeah please, Because I'm kind of not doing the show
Speaker 7: day in and day out. I'm not really very plugged
Speaker 7: into the Jazz, and they're pretty terrible this year. But
Speaker 7: after all the Lucas stuff and reading all the Lucas
Speaker 7: stuff over the last couple of days, I've got to
Speaker 7: ask you, do the Jazz have a plan?
Speaker 4: Spence?
Speaker 7: I mean, if I asked you today, what do the
Speaker 7: Jazz have a plan for the next two to three
Speaker 7: years to be good? I'm not even saying great, to
Speaker 7: be good again because I'm looking. I've watched a couple
Speaker 7: of games, and I watch all the recaps. I listened
Speaker 7: to you, they feel like they don't have any plan whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Spence, Yeah, I mean it's the plan they have is
Speaker 1: predicated on a tremendous amount of luck going their way.
Speaker 2: That's the issue.
Speaker 7: I mean, best kind of plan to have.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not. And you know, if you believe
Speaker 1: what they said. As far as xanax media availability to
Speaker 1: start the year, he said, look, and I really believe
Speaker 1: when Danny Ains dropped a big game hunting, Xanik probably puked.
Speaker 2: He's like, what is he doing.
Speaker 1: I don't think he liked that Danny dropped that, because
Speaker 1: when Xanik did his preseason media you could tell he
Speaker 1: was a little bit grumpy. He said, look, we tried,
Speaker 1: We went out and we tried to get good players.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Smith has been vocal and front facing about
Speaker 1: his desire. He wanted Kristaps Porzingis before he landed in
Speaker 1: Boss and he wanted Drew Holliday before he landed in Boston.
Speaker 1: I don't know who told them that they had a
Speaker 1: chance to trade for Paul George and sign mckel bridges,
Speaker 1: but like's that was the spin in the front office.
Speaker 1: And so I think they've simply and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they should have done this three years ago when they
Speaker 1: broke that team down when a player named Victor wem
Speaker 1: Minyama was available. I think they have decided to do
Speaker 1: what the Spurs did when wem Minyama was available in
Speaker 1: hopes that they can lock into a Cooper Flag and
Speaker 1: if they can do that bill next season, you're starting
Speaker 1: front court is Walker Kessler, Loarry Market and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1: First of all, congrats to the Market for that. Second
Speaker 1: of all, we actually then we have something right and
Speaker 1: then we say, okay, now we can see this thing
Speaker 1: taking place. But if their lottery luck, which nine straight
Speaker 1: times in the lottery they've never moved up, if they
Speaker 1: fall the six or seven or eight again, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm already in a space where I'm not expecting them
Speaker 1: to be really good for four to five years, and
Speaker 1: if that happens, we might reset the calculation one again.
Speaker 1: It's it's tough, man. It's a tough scene to cover
Speaker 1: the Jazz this year, There's no doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I just say that because two or three years ago,
Speaker 7: when you deal Donovan and you deal Rudy and you're
Speaker 7: amassing all these draftics. I get all that stuff, but
Speaker 7: even two or three years in with the Thunder, or
Speaker 7: even a couple of years now in with the Spurs,
Speaker 7: and I know they landed Wemby and all that stuff, but.
Speaker 4: It felt like there.
Speaker 7: It just doesn't feel like three years into this thing,
Speaker 7: we're seeing any real tangible progress, that's all.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: No, And you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: And they've got a really bright young coach, but I'm
Speaker 1: afraid if they can't give Will weapons in two years
Speaker 1: and when his deal is up, he might be like,
Speaker 1: all right, well gave you five years. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: coach a team that actually has players. It's a tough scene, man.
Speaker 1: I feel for jazz fans, but they keep showing up.
Speaker 7: Hey, by the way, just on the way out. This
Speaker 7: will make you feel good today. I was in an
Speaker 7: uber the other day and this guy goes, oh my god,
Speaker 7: Bill Riley, Like hey, he goes, I just got to
Speaker 7: say you, Spence and Shep were the best show that
Speaker 7: was ever in Salt Lake City and I've lived here
Speaker 7: for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, any included he did?
Speaker 4: He goes, Boy, you guys used to let chef have it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I cannot deny that, man, I cannot deny that. Bill
Speaker 1: always a pleasure, my friend. Let's get together soon. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks Vince the Voice of the U. It's Bill Riley,
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Speaker 2: All right, Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: You know what that means? Time for our Tuesday staple.
Speaker 1: And my goodness, gracious, I don't know how it's been
Speaker 1: for our guy, Tim McMahon over the past seventy two hours.
Speaker 2: Tim, are you.
Speaker 1: Sleeping, are you eating? Are you hydrating? Or are you
Speaker 1: just working right now?
Speaker 3: I got a little I'm gonna played the last couple
Speaker 3: of nights, not so much the night before that. I
Speaker 3: don't think I've had lunch. I've been at this particular
Speaker 3: stop on the trip, but I'm freaing in breakfast in
Speaker 3: a little bit of dinner. So all right, my.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, I appreciate the time, and look, you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody else, I've been trying to make sense of
Speaker 1: what's happened over the past few days, And like everybody else,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to talk to people around the league
Speaker 1: about if they knew about this, what their thoughts were.
Speaker 1: I've had more than a few NBA front office people
Speaker 1: text me and say, this is simply Dallas being concerned
Speaker 1: about his condition that is off the court habits and
Speaker 1: his long term health and whether or not he's durable,
Speaker 1: and then their conspiracy theories left and right. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm going Aukham's razor here and just believing in the
Speaker 1: most basic of explanations.
Speaker 2: But you're the guy for this.
Speaker 1: Why would Dallas trade a twenty five year old Luka
Speaker 1: Doncics right in the start of the prime of his career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the first one is the accurate one.
Speaker 3: They did not feel that they to make a three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollar investment, which would have been
Speaker 3: the supermax number roughly in a player who has not
Speaker 3: shown the willingness of the discipline to dedicate himself to conditioning.
Speaker 3: Who you know, they're they're fearful, he's his body has
Speaker 3: already breaken down at the age of twenty five. You know,
Speaker 3: he's missed twenty seven games already this season. They don't
Speaker 3: feel like the messaging is getting through. They aren't seeing
Speaker 3: the habits change. Honestly, they feel like in some ways
Speaker 3: things have gotten worse. And look that stuff is all
Speaker 3: the primary stuff. There's also like Luca has been very attached,
Speaker 3: very aloof you know, there have been some changes in
Speaker 3: the kind of behind the scenes staff of the Mavericks
Speaker 3: where they've fired a lot of people who Luca considered
Speaker 3: considered as friends, you know, and you know, as a result,
Speaker 3: at least partly as a result, the communication between Luca's
Speaker 3: quote unquote body team and the Mavericks was unpleasant and minimal,
Speaker 3: to say the least. The communication between Luca and Nikhil
Speaker 3: Harrison has been minimal, and uh this suit case where
Speaker 3: Nico ultimately decided I don't trust him, I don't want
Speaker 3: to rely on him. I don't care how talented he is.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go get one of my guys. And
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis has been more than Miikil Harrison guys since
Speaker 3: Ad was a you know, a teenage big time prospect,
Speaker 3: and Nikol was thrown in the basketball division at Ike.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, let me let me follow up, because you've
Speaker 1: been on the ground there and you understand this dynamic
Speaker 1: better than any media member I could talk to. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just simply of the opinion that you do not
Speaker 1: trade him, that you do not trade Luka Doncicch at
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, because in my opinion, he's one
Speaker 1: of the top two or three players in pro basketball.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm alone.
Speaker 1: So that, to me, Tim indicates that behind the scenes
Speaker 1: it must be a lot worse than anybody indicates.
Speaker 4: Is he just is he?
Speaker 2: Is he a malcontent? Is he a pain? Is he great?
Speaker 2: On people?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Just how bad has it become behind the scenes there?
Speaker 3: I mean, it is the difficult is the high landlans, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent? Or the conditioning concerns legitimate? Absolutely? Did
Speaker 3: he avage thirty four, ten and nine and leads a
Speaker 3: team to the NBA finals months ago? Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: And so I'm with you as far as you just
Speaker 3: cannot trade that type of talent during the state his career,
Speaker 3: when he could be enter any crime.
Speaker 2: What has the reaction been. I mean, I imagine I
Speaker 2: know the answer.
Speaker 1: But with Mavericks fans what what has been the town
Speaker 1: and tenor of the fan base down there.
Speaker 3: Indeed, it's Saturday, when the Matters are back home, I
Speaker 3: fear it will be toxic act here. And could say
Speaker 3: there's been saying backlash is like saying Luca, Uh, Luca
Speaker 3: had a production season last year. It was a massive understatement. Uh.
Speaker 3: This fan base is angry, it is heart broken. It's
Speaker 3: you know, as Luca felt, blinds in the trade and
Speaker 3: the fan base fills out as well that you know BEYONDO.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's protests outside the American Airline Center.
Speaker 3: People are canceling season safety.
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna it's gonna be a not a not
Speaker 3: a nice vibe. I would say, when the Matters get
Speaker 3: back in the town and I have a home homestand
Speaker 3: coming up starting on Saturday, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people, including our mutual friend Tom Haverstrow who
Speaker 1: joined the show yesterday and his podcast partners, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're bringing up this theory floated out by Dallas
Speaker 1: area attorney. And I've read the Twitter threat and I've
Speaker 1: read the reactions to it that this new ownership group
Speaker 1: after Mark Cuban sold his majority shares last year. This
Speaker 1: addleson group who has interest in Vegas, in the Vegas
Speaker 1: Sands casino. This is a long term play for them
Speaker 1: to take the Mavericks to Las Vegas. That doesn't land
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: Tim.
Speaker 1: I would imagine only having Luca on a roster gives
Speaker 1: you more leverage to do things you want to do.
Speaker 1: But any is there any meat on that bone at all?
Speaker 1: I I can't follow that logic. But you're the guy
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 3: What do you think you listen, I've seen that stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any meat on the bone. I
Speaker 3: don't think that the NBA would allow the Mavericks to
Speaker 3: move to Vegas where you know, ultimately they have plans
Speaker 3: who have an expansion franchise that will pay a whole
Speaker 3: lot of money to be there. You know, the whole
Speaker 3: Adelson Dumont Las Vegas Sans groups ambitions are to get
Speaker 3: gambling legalized in Dallas and to build a massive resort
Speaker 3: casino that include a new arena. They already have all
Speaker 3: this stuff in Vegas, so you know, I've seen all
Speaker 3: that as well. I will say this, I was told
Speaker 3: by somebody in that in that high powered Dallas attorney
Speaker 3: community that this is a big time blow to any
Speaker 3: any plans they had of a comption their goals of
Speaker 3: getting gambling legalized, because frankly, I don't think that they
Speaker 3: understood just the financial potential, financial financial ramifications of trading
Speaker 3: Luka Donci to trading the face of the franchise, who
Speaker 3: is just adored, like by this fan base, you know,
Speaker 3: the most the most talented player in franchise history, for sure,
Speaker 3: and that's a mouthful because Dirk scored thirty thousand some
Speaker 3: odd points. And I can't say most popular because Dirk
Speaker 3: was there so long and so beloved, but definitely the
Speaker 3: most spectacular, no question about that. And those he sold
Speaker 3: a lot of jerseys, He sold a lot of tickets,
Speaker 3: he sold a lot of sponsorships, and I think all
Speaker 3: those things are going to take a significant hit.
Speaker 1: Is there any way before we get over to the
Speaker 1: Lakers side of this, and then of course I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the jazz side of this as well,
Speaker 1: But is there any way? Because Luca is so good,
Speaker 1: people are talking about Anthony Davis like he's Jerome James
Speaker 1: for the next I mean, Anthony Davis is good, and
Speaker 1: he played in seventy two games last year. He has
Speaker 1: been really good this year. Is there any way this
Speaker 1: works out in Aniko's favor? Can you expand your horizons
Speaker 1: to get to that point?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's within the realm of possibility. Well,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done the trade, but it is within
Speaker 3: the realm of possibility. I have talked to a couple
Speaker 3: of gentle manners who felt like this move made them
Speaker 3: better immediately. It definitely crunches the time frame, you know,
Speaker 3: Nico's said they're built to a now and in the future,
Speaker 3: and clarify the features being the next three to four years,
Speaker 3: which is interesting because the issue there is they start
Speaker 3: having a fix theyo in twenty seven, and then twenty
Speaker 3: eight in twenty nine, thirty and by the play the
Speaker 3: last three of those were their neighbors in Oklahoma City
Speaker 3: to any other Chief Texas teams with picks and swaps.
Speaker 3: But like Dallas is going to be eight if they're
Speaker 3: if they're healthy, this is going to be a team
Speaker 3: that's a tough matchup in the playoffs for sure. And hey,
Speaker 3: if they're right about Luca and he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 3: dedicate himself as body breaks down, then yeah, he could
Speaker 3: end up being right. I don't know the odjour and
Speaker 3: his favorite because again, just the level of this guy's talent.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about one of the best players
Speaker 3: through the age twenty five, maybe the best we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: No, you just you don't do this trade. You just don't.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to back off that assertion.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you the question that everybody's been
Speaker 1: kicking around that I'm honestly conflicted about. We had mcminimon
Speaker 1: on yesterday. I kind of asked him the same thing.
Speaker 1: So I get the whole side of this, like why
Speaker 1: didn't you open this up for business? Why didn't you
Speaker 1: shop him to get a package that is better than
Speaker 1: what you got? But I also understand that if you know,
Speaker 1: according to your reporting and others, that Nico was just
Speaker 1: long for Anthony Davis, maybe this was just tunnel vision
Speaker 1: because that's the dude he wanted. But what's your take
Speaker 1: on the dynamic of Nico not opening this up for
Speaker 1: an open market bidding war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely have heard a lot of criticisms about that.
Speaker 3: You know, the reasoning one walked into Anthony Davis, that's
Speaker 3: the guy he wanted.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Two, he did not want to give Luca and his agent,
Speaker 3: Bill Duffie, one of the most respected agents in the league,
Speaker 3: A chance to have any influence on this, a chance
Speaker 3: to you know, uh, cut off discussions, you know, tell
Speaker 3: team we're not resigning, a chance to muddy the waters
Speaker 3: at all. So he wanted this thing to be absolutely
Speaker 3: done in secrecy. That's the logic, you know. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: tell yeah, it's I would have at least wrote it
Speaker 3: out the rest of the season, and they didn't want to.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to mid season saga in terms of
Speaker 3: Luca's on the block and all the drama went along
Speaker 3: with that. I would have wrote it out the rest
Speaker 3: of the season at the minimum. Yeah, And and and
Speaker 3: handle it if you want to handle out business, handle
Speaker 3: it in the summer. You know, I knew just how
Speaker 3: frustrated they were with him, from Nico to Jason, you know,
Speaker 3: throughout for an office, the you know, the code and staff,
Speaker 3: et cetera. I even had people mentioned, you know, if
Speaker 3: we got to trade, we'll trade them. I thought they
Speaker 3: were blowing smoke. I'd never imagined they would actually do it.
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, because you hear a lot of
Speaker 3: people huff and puff, like man all right, I'm glad
Speaker 3: you'll let off some steam there.
Speaker 4: Let's be real.
Speaker 1: Well it was real, yeah, and I'm still stunned. I
Speaker 1: thought maybe more information would come out after I got
Speaker 1: the alert on my phone to this day to day,
Speaker 1: but it's still as stunning right now as it was
Speaker 1: when it happened. The Lakers side of this, Tim, You know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to people that believe that the NBA
Speaker 1: is a scripted WWE league, they look at the Lakers
Speaker 1: and they say will to cream, cream to magic, magic
Speaker 1: to Shaq and Kobe Shaq and Kobe lebron Lebron to Luca.
Speaker 1: For me, it doesn't change my calculus on them this year,
Speaker 1: but it does reset them for another decade plus. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on what appears to be just another
Speaker 1: slam dunk move for the LA Lakers. What does this
Speaker 1: mean for them?
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously there's the risk of the hell stuff,
Speaker 3: but dude, they got the most talented twenty five year
Speaker 3: old in the least right now, the most I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a boon for the Lakers, and like you said,
Speaker 3: it basically played with the Bronus for the next probably
Speaker 3: a year and a half and off the Baton. You know,
Speaker 3: the hope certainly is that he will learn from the
Speaker 3: barn guy he idolized as a kid growing up in Slovenia.
Speaker 3: That would be wise. Maybe this is the massive slap
Speaker 3: in the face that Luken needs to really just lock
Speaker 3: in to, you know, the around the clock professionalism that
Speaker 3: you need to put yourself in a position move fully
Speaker 3: achieved what is just immense potential. But dude, like the
Speaker 3: Lakers had to do this and then you know they've
Speaker 3: got a huge hole center. Now the length was very clear.
Speaker 3: That's gonna have to wait until the summer. I can
Speaker 3: assure you this BigMan will be lying enough setting into relations. Oh,
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that.
Speaker 2: No doubt all right.
Speaker 1: The portion of your reporting that has received the most
Speaker 1: amount of tension around here is that the Utah Jazz
Speaker 1: did not know what deal they were facilitating, and according
Speaker 1: to what you and Ramona wrote, even Danny had only
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes notice. According to your sources. Dave mcminnimon
Speaker 1: coroborated your source yesterday. Dave said his source says the
Speaker 1: Jazz were quote flying blind?
Speaker 2: How how like? How does this happen?
Speaker 1: If you're one of the executives of the three teams
Speaker 1: involved with the transaction. Don't you want to know every
Speaker 1: single detail about the transaction, including the fact that you
Speaker 1: own their twenty twenty seven first round pick, top four protected,
Speaker 1: and suddenly you have just given them the ability to
Speaker 1: make sure that pick is probably in the twenties.
Speaker 2: This, to me, Tim is not a great look. So
Speaker 2: unpack this for us.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I hear what you're saying that you're assuming
Speaker 3: the Jazz are their only options and they want I
Speaker 3: can promise you that the first I heard, the first
Speaker 3: time I heard rum this was and I got a
Speaker 3: fall from another team that say, hey, what are the
Speaker 3: Maps trying to do? They're trying to get us to
Speaker 3: take on a sub five million dollars salary. I think
Speaker 3: it's from another team and all those helass they're targeting
Speaker 3: a front court player. And so they were calling around to,
Speaker 3: you know, to the handful of teams that were in
Speaker 3: a position to facilitate this. And so it's not like
Speaker 3: if Danny, if Danny Ainge and Justin Zanner said Okay,
Speaker 3: lay them on the brakes, we're not doing this, that
Speaker 3: the deal falls apart. The deal would have still gotten done.
Speaker 3: The Jazz just would have gotten a couple of second
Speaker 3: round picks out of it.
Speaker 1: So with what the Jazz have done over the past
Speaker 1: few days to transactions really helping teams, the Clippers get
Speaker 1: under the luxury tax, the Lakers get Luca, it appears
Speaker 1: that Danny and Justin are simply willing to trade almost
Speaker 1: everybody on the roster outside of the young kids they like,
Speaker 1: and obviously marketing if any team is willing to give
Speaker 1: up assets and draft capital, so that leads us. I
Speaker 1: was told this morning John Collins will not be playing
Speaker 1: for the Jazz after Thursday.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that that? Of course?
Speaker 1: Sexton he sprained his ankle last night and Clarkson came
Speaker 1: in and actually played pretty well.
Speaker 2: I wondered if any GM was watching last night.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, maybe you can't help, But what
Speaker 1: do you anticipate between now and Thursday afternoon here in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake from the Jazz.
Speaker 3: I assure you there are plenty of scouts of Jazz
Speaker 3: games these days. I mean they're going to be they're
Speaker 3: going to be busy. Collins has certainly played himself to
Speaker 3: a point where you know there's interest there. I assume
Speaker 3: something probably gets doll with him, and it wouldn't you know,
Speaker 3: if you're asking me about those three guys in particular,
Speaker 3: how many of them are traded, I'd probably put the
Speaker 3: over runner at one point five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that feels right. The last thing, how
Speaker 1: does the how does the Butler thing play out? What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the Jimmy Butler trade.
Speaker 3: I don't have like it's gone from shipping anywhere to
Speaker 3: Phoenix or bus. I just didn't like, dude, I don't
Speaker 3: see a Phoenix trade. Brad may be able to have
Speaker 3: to okay it, and there would have to be a
Speaker 3: place he wants to go that wants to have them,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's the case right now. And
Speaker 3: so you know, again, this like clear empowerment has taken
Speaker 3: a pretty strong shift this week. I feel just with
Speaker 3: the way the Jimmy say we'll see you know, the
Speaker 3: Jimmy stuff it ain't over, but certainly with the way
Speaker 3: that Luca was just blindsided and dumped, and then you know,
Speaker 3: the way this Jimmy saga has played out to this point,
Speaker 3: it does feel like there's been this shift where these
Speaker 3: are two cases of two superstars we just haven't been
Speaker 3: able to get their way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what a wild week, man. You guys have
Speaker 1: done a great job. So keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: Ten appreciate the time. We'll set you loose.
Speaker 3: Be good, Okay, all appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 1: And McMahon covers the He covers the NBA for ESPN. Specifically,
Speaker 1: he's their Mavericks guy. When the jazz are interesting, he's
Speaker 1: their jazz guy. He wrote a book about Luca that
Speaker 1: actually publishes March twenty fifth, and he and Ramona Shelburne
Speaker 1: wrote that piece about out detailing kind of all the
Speaker 1: happenings how this all went down, and Tim and Ramon
Speaker 1: are the one that reported the jazz had no idea
Speaker 1: exactly which deal they were facilitating. Now, Tim makes a
Speaker 1: good point if the jazz weren't willing to do this
Speaker 1: because I don't know. Like, let's say, Danny and Justin
Speaker 1: got a call from Nico, got a call from Rob Polenku,
Speaker 1: by the way, was dressed like he's the lead singer
Speaker 1: of a bad Bond jovie band this morning and said, look,
Speaker 1: we need you to send a little bit of cash
Speaker 1: in both of our directions. We're going to ask you
Speaker 1: to absorb this young rookies, not a very good player.
Speaker 1: It's second you're actually Jalen hood Chafino, and for your troubles,
Speaker 1: we're going to give you two second round picks. And
Speaker 1: what is happening is the Lakers are getting Luka Doncic
Speaker 1: and really everything else is irrelevant. I mean, if they
Speaker 1: knew all the details of that trade, do they still
Speaker 1: step in and do it now? To Tim's point, the
Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks and the LA Lakers had other options at
Speaker 1: their disposal to try to make this happen. So if
Speaker 1: the Jazz didn't do it, they wouldn't have received two
Speaker 1: second round picks. Luca is a Laker, and that twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven LA Laker top four protected pick doesn't look
Speaker 1: near as good as it did forty eight hours ago.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if the Jazz are done prior to
Speaker 1: that Thursday trade deadline.
Speaker 2: D track de track alert on a.
Speaker 1: Tuesday no hits. We follow the advice of Andy Bernard
Speaker 1: when it comes to Dave Matthews band. All right, he
Speaker 1: typically joins us on Fridays. And my initial hypothesis is
Speaker 1: that it's sixty two degrees outside. So Chris Camaradie wanted
Speaker 1: to leave his house. But why don't we get you
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday today, not a Friday.
Speaker 6: Because I got to leave the house.
Speaker 1: That's what it is with shorts on, shorts on, I
Speaker 1: got the T shirt on.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's I'm not going to complain about it.
Speaker 6: It's amazing. So I don't obviously want this to happen
Speaker 6: often because we are very reliant on these atmospheric rivers
Speaker 6: to bless our mountains with water to help, you know,
Speaker 6: the hotter times of the year. But I don't mind
Speaker 6: a couple sixty six If I have degree days in February.
Speaker 1: I think it puts wind in the sales. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: get you to the end.
Speaker 2: We already made it through January, so shout out to
Speaker 2: the group.
Speaker 4: Yeah we did it.
Speaker 1: Congrats everybody. And now, to me, February is just the
Speaker 1: second worst month of the year, shortest month. But it
Speaker 1: is a short month, agreed. And then we'll get to March,
Speaker 1: and ultimately we'll probably still have a lot of cold
Speaker 1: weather and snow in March. But when you get to March,
Speaker 1: you've just kind of made it to the end.
Speaker 6: That's how I feel. I had this conversation with my
Speaker 6: in laws recently and they all disagreed. They all said
Speaker 6: March is too much of a tease in terms of
Speaker 6: the fluctuation of the weather. And I was like, well,
Speaker 6: if that's a teas, then what's what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: It's a big teas because it will snow this weekend's
Speaker 1: gonna be freezing next week. But nonetheless, we got you
Speaker 1: out of the house and on schedule release day.
Speaker 6: Oh huge c K.
Speaker 1: Schedule release day.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 1: Look, you know, it's an exercise in futility to try
Speaker 1: to analyze whether or not Utah is an easy schedule
Speaker 1: or a hard schedule. Just tell me who was picked
Speaker 1: to finish sixteenth, and then I'll pick them to win
Speaker 1: it like Arizona State, but for the first time since
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, Utah and BYU play in October. It's
Speaker 1: October the eighteenth. Now for me, I'm a last year
Speaker 1: the last game of the year guy, and my second
Speaker 1: option would be like first game of the year but
Speaker 1: not buried in the middle. October the eighteenth. And there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people in the Big twelve, you know,
Speaker 1: you hear these things like, oh, well, yeah, we're excited
Speaker 1: about BYU and Utah and are conference but we don't
Speaker 1: really know what that rivalry is all about. And if
Speaker 1: last year was the first time you watched that game,
Speaker 1: you were indoctrinated. It was excellent start to finish. Obviously,
Speaker 1: youth fans wish she went the other way. It was close,
Speaker 1: it was dramatic, the overnight splits were through the roof.
Speaker 1: Millions of people watched it, and there are other rivalry
Speaker 1: games being played later on Arizona Arizona State.
Speaker 2: It's the final game of the year. So I don't
Speaker 2: really have a question.
Speaker 1: I just think that's the one thing that stands out
Speaker 1: of BYU Utah damn, you know, kind of slammed there
Speaker 1: in the middle of October.
Speaker 6: Well, since you know I'm a I'm a man of
Speaker 6: the people, I know you are. The first thing I
Speaker 6: thought of was the Big twelve hijacked ue a weekend
Speaker 6: for families. Yes, they did this entire state. I consider
Speaker 6: that that angle that is a Disneyland weekend, that is
Speaker 6: a fall break, is a very important staple in the
Speaker 6: Utah publico public school calendar. And the fact that that
Speaker 6: is going to be part of the week, I mean,
Speaker 6: I think maybe it's not going to keep people from
Speaker 6: traveling and going to do stuff with their family. It'll
Speaker 6: just presumably make one spouse angry that another spouse is
Speaker 6: going to want to hijack theoretical happenings on on the
Speaker 6: on the vacation. But that's the first thing I thought of.
Speaker 6: I was like, dude, what, Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: I mean, my wife's a first grade teacher. I'm always
Speaker 6: looking at UEA weekends as a time to potentially get
Speaker 6: out of town. It's also around the time my son
Speaker 6: was born. But I think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I don't know, like, maybe we'll get some light shed.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Brett or Mark will be taking
Speaker 6: questions because I know when he when Utah joined, he
Speaker 6: did like these mini like roundtables with media members in
Speaker 6: various markets, and I was part of one and he
Speaker 6: spoke glowingly of the rivalry, said, it's, you know, one
Speaker 6: of the best in the country as we know it is.
Speaker 6: So the fact that we go from November ninth and
Speaker 6: year one to October eighteenth and year two, I don't
Speaker 6: I don't really get it, man, I mean that is
Speaker 6: that is basically just it's doing a disservice to the rivalry. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it's doing a disservice to the fans.
Speaker 1: And you just brought up another dynamic, which is UA weekend,
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: because again analyzing the rest of this stuff, like, hey,
Speaker 1: is it easier is at heart?
Speaker 4: I don't know? Neither do you.
Speaker 6: So that's the one you're not You're not crushing Cincinnati
Speaker 6: springball tape.
Speaker 1: I mean the issue is, yeah, we'll look at springball stuff,
Speaker 1: but then another a portal window opens and don't know
Speaker 1: what they even know what they're gonna look like in
Speaker 1: the fall.
Speaker 2: None of these teams.
Speaker 1: So the BYU game is the one that stands out
Speaker 1: non con UCLA opening week passed it being a little
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl action. And if you want to take a
Speaker 1: road trip, that's probably the option because then it's cal
Speaker 1: Poly here at home.
Speaker 6: It would have been cool if they played cal Poly
Speaker 6: on the road. San Luis Obispo would never happen in
Speaker 6: a million years, but an amazing college town. A lot
Speaker 6: of people in each time I'm sure aren't familiar with it.
Speaker 6: It's smack dab in the middle of south central California.
Speaker 6: Beautiful place. Had lots of friends in high school, who
Speaker 6: went there. But this is all a preamble to the
Speaker 6: ultimate unveiling.
Speaker 1: Of the third game, Laramie. Wyom have a great Laramie story,
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Does it involve fans throwing feces at people?
Speaker 6: It does not. It involves the late great Dirk Facer
Speaker 6: trying to save my life.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dirk.
Speaker 6: It was the two thousand and eight season they went undefeated.
Speaker 6: I was the beat writer at the Crowny that year,
Speaker 6: and I think the game was in the middle of October,
Speaker 6: so everybody was like, thank god, we got to Laramie
Speaker 6: and we're dodging potentially a very sticky situation. It was
Speaker 6: like fifty degree or fifty mile an hour wins in
Speaker 6: that day. It was like a crazy odd game. Nobody
Speaker 6: threw the ball. When we're leaving the stadium, I looked
Speaker 6: out to like the West or whatever, and I've never
Speaker 6: seen like a stranger things type like cloud, just pure black,
Speaker 6: and I thought wor screwed because everybody, not only me,
Speaker 6: the DEAs guys, Tribune guys, everybody, they were trying to
Speaker 6: put it home and we you know, looked up and
Speaker 6: back then, I don't think the weather on the internet
Speaker 6: was all that much like it wasn't as accurate as
Speaker 6: it was now. So we're like, all right, let's just
Speaker 6: brave it. So we get in our car and we
Speaker 6: start to drive home, and within like an hour, it
Speaker 6: is like the worst blizzard I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 6: It was so bad. It got so cold so fast
Speaker 6: that the roads the roads had about like six inches
Speaker 6: of solid ice on top. So we're stuck because there
Speaker 6: was an accident. Obviously, We're stuck between Laramie and Rock Springs, Wyoming,
Speaker 6: and Dirk is calling us because they were a little
Speaker 6: ahead of us, and he was like, did you get through?
Speaker 6: And I was like, no, man, we're stuck. And he
Speaker 6: was like, all right, well just keep calling me to
Speaker 6: make sure you guys are all right because like we
Speaker 6: you know, you can't like just run your car. You're
Speaker 6: gonna burn gas. And we don't know how long we're
Speaker 6: going to be there. The temperatures are dropping. It's insane.
Speaker 6: Like I got out on the highway was just like
Speaker 6: a sheet of ice. It was like a hockey arena.
Speaker 6: It was the wildest thing. So for hours and hours
Speaker 6: on end, we had to sit there. Eventually we got going.
Speaker 6: We got to Rock Springs at like four thirty am,
Speaker 6: and I vowed that I would never, ever, in a
Speaker 6: million years go back to Laramie again.
Speaker 1: Well, to your point, the good news is this is
Speaker 1: September thirteenth.
Speaker 6: Does that matter though it's sixty six degrees in February.
Speaker 1: I guessing, I guess nothing is real I learned which
Speaker 1: I did not. No, maybe I should if this game
Speaker 1: has been on the schedule for like ten years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so is this the final? Like, hey, okay, we
Speaker 1: did the thing. The deal is complete and no more
Speaker 1: of this nonsense.
Speaker 6: I mean, considering this was made when Utah was a
Speaker 6: Pac twelve team, a home game versus Wyoming makes sense
Speaker 6: because Wyoming is traditionally a decent Mountain West Conference team.
Speaker 6: It is not a bad schedule, and it's not a
Speaker 6: bad team to have on your schedule. The trip to
Speaker 6: Laramie can be tricky, man, it can be Harry, I
Speaker 6: know BYU handled it last year, don't I don't think
Speaker 6: it's that bad. Frankly for a Utah team that does
Speaker 6: not have a ton of great road games. With this
Speaker 6: upcoming twenty twenty five schedule, it's like two out of
Speaker 6: the three first games you can go to and they
Speaker 6: make sense. Pasadena in August, which is going to be great,
Speaker 6: probably hot, and then Laramie in September it'll still be green.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 6: What can you do in Laramie?
Speaker 2: Wrong? Got a flying Jay's all over the place.
Speaker 6: I mean wrong. I mean I would assume that I'm
Speaker 6: not the type of person that can just walk into
Speaker 6: any sort of establish Schmidt and Laramie and be welcomed
Speaker 6: with open arms.
Speaker 1: Maybe wish I could argue with that. Maybe probably probably
Speaker 1: following on that one.
Speaker 6: But cool stadium, I'll say it, have you been there
Speaker 6: not for years? Interesting stadium? Yeah? If you're looking to
Speaker 6: splash your cash, is it like, do you want to
Speaker 6: drive whatever it is six or seven hours to Laramie
Speaker 6: or do you want to say for a five thousand
Speaker 6: dollars trip to Morgantown because you got a flight to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, again, we are the wrong people. Ask with that
Speaker 1: guy in there. Porters is out front, facing excited about.
Speaker 6: The app Man on the Street. Man on the Street
Speaker 6: interviews every single day, calling in live hits.
Speaker 1: So what is uh, what what is calling your heart
Speaker 1: about this potential September weekend trip to Laramie. I just
Speaker 1: like the the open skies of Wyoming.
Speaker 4: I guess I.
Speaker 6: Listen when you get out on the planes. I've driven
Speaker 6: through there multiple times in the summer. It is is
Speaker 6: something to behold like from like a this we're at there.
Speaker 6: I don't know what elevation they're at. They're at very
Speaker 6: high elevation. It's just like the planes and you're like, man,
Speaker 6: this is like very much the most secluded Division one
Speaker 6: university in the country. Yeah, like that. I'm all whenever
Speaker 6: I'm there, I'm like, how do they recruit people here?
Speaker 2: What will you be doing with your free time when
Speaker 2: you're not working in Laramie?
Speaker 1: Probably will be spending too much time there.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Have you ever been except yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I've
Speaker 5: been to Laramie for one football game. I've been to
Speaker 5: Laramie for a couple of rodeos.
Speaker 6: See if there's a rodeo, I'm down right, like if
Speaker 6: you could overlap some stuff in laram Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: if there's an event, like I can, I'll throw down.
Speaker 6: I'll go to Laramie with Porter.
Speaker 1: You want to go, I do not, but I will
Speaker 1: support the two of you in your endeavors headed to
Speaker 1: UH to Laramie, whether it's a football game or a rodeo.
Speaker 2: I think I'm good.
Speaker 1: But let's pull out the c K Yelp guide, the
Speaker 1: travel Zagat guide and talk about road of options. We
Speaker 1: already talked about Pasadena. We just got into Laramie, all
Speaker 1: due respect. Then it's Morgantown, Provo, Waco, Texas, Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 1: Any hot rex with the other road trip potential.
Speaker 6: Never been to any of those places? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 6: I know a lot of good places in Provo. Come on,
Speaker 6: I'll give an underrated shout out to a place that's
Speaker 6: not in Provo. The Purple Turtle, American Fork, great burgers,
Speaker 6: amazing tater tots, like a mom and pop fast food place. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the Purple Turtle.
Speaker 1: So hit up the Purple Turtle on the way to
Speaker 1: Provo in America and it makes sense.
Speaker 6: Purple. You know, it's the melding of red and blue.
Speaker 6: It's it's a perfect place for people to meet.
Speaker 1: Any gut feel on BYU next year, like top preseason
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Where do you think BYU Land fifteen?
Speaker 6: That's fifteen. I'm trying to think how many guys they're
Speaker 6: going to lose to the draft. Didn't lose anybody that
Speaker 6: significant in the portal.
Speaker 1: Conor Pey graduated, Baddie graduated.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so like they have a lot of
Speaker 6: a couple guys in the trenches. Batty was was, you know,
Speaker 6: they're arguably one of their best defensive players in Connor was.
Speaker 6: Both guys are team captains. They get Keanu Tonavasa, like,
Speaker 6: that's a huge get. Jake Retzlov has another year in
Speaker 6: aerron system. They still have a bunch of weapons. Chase
Speaker 6: Roberts decides to come back. LG. Martin's coming back. They're deep,
Speaker 6: man like, I mean think I think their defense surprised
Speaker 6: a lot of people last year. They turned out to
Speaker 6: be one of the better defensive teams in the Big twelve.
Speaker 6: I don't know what their non con schedule is like
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five. You might have it pulled up
Speaker 6: on your fancy MacBook.
Speaker 1: You talking about BYU. Yeah, yes, I will pull it up.
Speaker 1: It's like Portland's not it's not all that. It's like
Speaker 1: Portland State. They have to go to East Carolina.
Speaker 6: Oh that's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: That finishes their deal with them. Yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: almost talking about that earlier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a tricky game.
Speaker 2: So it's Portland State.
Speaker 1: They have Portland State in Provo, the Stanford and Provo
Speaker 1: and then they have a September thirteenth by which is
Speaker 1: wild and then they're out East Carolina.
Speaker 6: That's a pretty decent non con schedule. Yeah, if you
Speaker 6: think about it. I mean, I know, Stanford is no
Speaker 6: world beater at the moment, Andrew Luck is back at
Speaker 6: his alma mater trying to build things as the you know,
Speaker 6: pseudo GM of the football program. But Stanford here and
Speaker 6: then at East Carolina. I mean, there are worst non
Speaker 6: conference schedules.
Speaker 1: BYU is on the road quite a bit as I'm
Speaker 1: reading this. So Portland State home, Stanford home, bye week
Speaker 1: out East Carolina at Colorado home against West Virginia at
Speaker 1: Arizona home against Utah, and then yeah Jack Trice for
Speaker 1: Iowa State, Lubbock.
Speaker 2: For Texas Tech.
Speaker 6: Those are tough games.
Speaker 1: TCU at home, Cincinnati on the road, UCF at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you couldn't schedule Utah November twenty ninth because you had
Speaker 1: to fit in UCF.
Speaker 2: That's BYU's final game.
Speaker 6: And that was Utah's final game this year.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't. I mean, I'm sure trying to get everybody
Speaker 6: somewhat pleased with a sixteen team schedule is near impossible.
Speaker 6: But again, if you're the Big Twelve, this is is
Speaker 6: there outside of Arizona State in Arizona? Is there another
Speaker 6: rivalry within this conference right now? Pay State, Kansas? Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean those are your three. Yeah, But I maybe
Speaker 6: I'm biased here. I feel like the casuals will turn
Speaker 6: in for Utah BYU way more than Arizona.
Speaker 1: Arizona State well, and again based off of the debut
Speaker 1: of that game in the Big Twelve last year, just
Speaker 1: checked every box. So that's the one thing that's certainly puzzling.
Speaker 2: Dion.
Speaker 1: Without Shador, what does Colorado look like? You know, they
Speaker 1: they had Travis Hunter and Travis Hunter. They according to
Speaker 1: what I read this morning, they have the number one
Speaker 1: QB transfer.
Speaker 6: They got Caden Psalter from Liberty and then but there's
Speaker 6: another and Juju Lewis, who was a five star kid
Speaker 6: who was committed to USC for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was the king I read about. So obviously
Speaker 1: di has shown he can get talent. But now that
Speaker 1: you know Travis Hunter and his kid is they're gonna
Speaker 1: move on? What's both you ton buy? You have Colorado
Speaker 1: next year?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 6: I mean, this is the great question that a lot
Speaker 6: of people who followed Dion Sanders and follow Colorado are wondering.
Speaker 6: Is for so long Dion was adamant that you know
Speaker 6: the reason why he wanted to do this was to
Speaker 6: coach his sons, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 6: were waiting for the other shoe to drop. When Shador
Speaker 6: and Shiloh and Travis graduated and or moved on to
Speaker 6: their professional aspirations. They did a pretty good job. I mean,
Speaker 6: you land a five star kid, high school kid, and
Speaker 6: then you land one of the best duel threat quarterbacks
Speaker 6: in the portal and Cadence Salter. You could do worse,
Speaker 6: but this it will be a significant step down. I
Speaker 6: think people underestimate how good Shador Sanders was behind a
Speaker 6: pretty bad offensive line again for a second year in
Speaker 6: a row, and I know that's been their priority is
Speaker 6: to beef up the offensive line. I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 6: what their rushing attack looks like because I'm not saying
Speaker 6: Dion was patting Chador stats, but you could tell that
Speaker 6: their their best option was to go five wide and
Speaker 6: to have Shador drop back and throw it to Travis
Speaker 6: or a bevy of those you know, future and NFL receivers.
Speaker 6: I don't know what their schedule looks like. I haven't
Speaker 6: looked at it, but nobody's out of it.
Speaker 3: Man Like.
Speaker 6: If twenty twenty four taught us one thing, everybody's in play, and.
Speaker 1: I think they have.
Speaker 6: I think they have Georgia Tech at home to start
Speaker 6: their non conference schedule, which is a great non conference game.
Speaker 6: But it'll be fascinating, man like. Dion has coached his
Speaker 6: kids since they were nine years old and it's been
Speaker 6: like this for fifteen years. And not only like. He
Speaker 6: literally went from Peewee to prep school, to high school,
Speaker 6: to Jackson State and now to Colorado.
Speaker 1: The latest mock this is Matt Miller's mock. Have Shador
Speaker 1: going six in the NFL draft and that would be
Speaker 1: to the Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2: That might be my favorite option.
Speaker 6: There are worse places to go. Listen, it would be
Speaker 6: fascinating to have the ultimate football dad, Dion Sanders have
Speaker 6: to deal with Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly. Yep, two guys.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he respects a ton for obvious reasons from
Speaker 6: the fit and scheme point of view for our guy.
Speaker 2: Shout out, John Paul, Uh.
Speaker 6: Sure are going to play for Chip Kelly? I mean,
Speaker 6: there are worse offensive minds to go play for. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think I read somewhere that the Raiders are going
Speaker 6: to pay Chip six million dollars a year to be there.
Speaker 2: Oh see, Oh, I guess that's why you leave Ohio
Speaker 2: State after one.
Speaker 6: Which is which is more than Dion is making right
Speaker 6: now at Colorado.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think Dion was seriously flirting with Jerry Jones?
Speaker 2: You didn't think so?
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: I mean I talked to so many people who covered
Speaker 6: the Cowboys and they were like, listen, nobody is ever
Speaker 6: going to be a bigger star in the room than Jerry.
Speaker 6: Jerry might make it seem like, I mean, who knows.
Speaker 6: Maybe he was helping Dion out being able to cultivate
Speaker 6: some leverage in his ongoing renegotiation talks with Colorado, because
Speaker 6: Colorado is paying Dion five point seven million a year
Speaker 6: right now, that's a that's a bargain, I think, considering
Speaker 6: what he's been able to do in two years. Now
Speaker 6: the hard part comes, though, to your point, it's like,
Speaker 6: what does Colorado look like post Shador, post Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6: We're going to see It sounds super cliche, but it's
Speaker 6: like you're really going to see what kind of coach
Speaker 6: Dion is?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure?
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: I know you're not a scout, but I'm a scout. Well,
Speaker 1: I know you've got Tay. Okay, I know you're gran Tape.
Speaker 1: No're a ball I'm ready shoulder in the NFL. How
Speaker 1: do you think that looks?
Speaker 3: Hmm?
Speaker 6: Behind a good line, he's he can be really good man,
Speaker 6: Like he has like tremendous touch, Like he gets the
Speaker 6: ball out so fast unless he's running for his life,
Speaker 6: which he did way too often the last two years.
Speaker 6: But it Yeah, in the right system where he doesn't
Speaker 6: have to throw it forty five times, I think it
Speaker 6: can be good if he goes to a team that
Speaker 6: has an offensive mind at the helm, that understands how
Speaker 6: they want to play, and if they have a decent
Speaker 6: line and a decent running game, Like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: all those things generally helps make a quarterback be successful.
Speaker 6: But let's just say like him going to the Raiders,
Speaker 6: which is even crazy to say, like that to me,
Speaker 6: would say like Shador will have more success as opposed
Speaker 6: to going to the Titans at one, or the Giants
Speaker 6: at whatever number they're at, or even the Browns. Like
Speaker 6: I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy
Speaker 6: like Pete Carroll who's won a Super Bowl and has
Speaker 6: been to several Super Bowls, and a guy like Chip
Speaker 6: Kelly who just led Ohio State to a national title.
Speaker 6: You have to have somebody who understands what they're doing.
Speaker 6: And that's not the case for Chador. It's for every quarterback.
Speaker 6: So where's cam Ward going to go? Is cam Ward
Speaker 6: going to go to Tennessee and be successful? I don't know, man,
Speaker 6: Like I can't and even tell you who's on that roster.
Speaker 1: Matt Miller has cam Ward off the board at three
Speaker 1: to the Giants. Okay, they need a quarterback. I would
Speaker 1: argue Tennessee needs one too. Abdual Carter the edge Russia
Speaker 1: from Penn State seems to be getting all the love
Speaker 1: for the number one pick, Travis Hunter off the board
Speaker 1: of two, cam Ward three, Mason Graham a tackle at four.
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, the Michigan quarterback, corner back at five than
Speaker 1: Shador at six, and he like Jayden Daniels comps there.
Speaker 2: Well to see what Jayden did this year.
Speaker 1: I mean Shador at times, there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: they're built the same, They're very similar with their measures.
Speaker 6: Jayden's way more of a like a dual threat. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Like Shador can take off and run if he needs to,
Speaker 6: but he's way more content staying in the pocket and
Speaker 6: waiting for routes to open up. And he's really good
Speaker 6: at delivering the ball on time in you know, difficult,
Speaker 6: difficult circum circumstances. Jayden, I mean, nobody saw it coming.
Speaker 6: I mean it's like I remember my year on the
Speaker 6: beat for the flete. I think was the year that
Speaker 6: Asu was here, and it was like that rainy day
Speaker 6: and Utahs defense just really made him look like the
Speaker 6: true freshman that he was. And then he goes to
Speaker 6: LSU and everything kind of pops off, and then he
Speaker 6: goes to the NFL and has an MVP caliber type
Speaker 6: season in his rookie year. I think we have to
Speaker 6: be careful with the comps because he set the bar
Speaker 6: so high. So does Shador have the capability to be
Speaker 6: as good as Jaden? I don't know, but he's he
Speaker 6: can be a good quarterback if he finds the right team.
Speaker 1: And I do think the Raiders faded somewhat interesting, and
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, yeah, face value. I always kind of
Speaker 1: roll my eyes when I hear a parent say, well,
Speaker 1: I will not let my son play for this franchise,
Speaker 1: or you know, we're going to step in to make
Speaker 1: sure that he has the best chance of succeeding. But
Speaker 1: it's happened so many times over the years, and.
Speaker 6: Whenever he said going to Sandy absolutely and.
Speaker 1: Then John Elway back in the day, like and so,
Speaker 1: I don't believe Zach Wilson was going to be a
Speaker 1: great NFL quarterback anywhere he landed. But I always thought
Speaker 1: Sam Donald had in him what he did this year
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and when the Jets drafted him.
Speaker 2: As a Jets fan, I'm like, all right, we got
Speaker 2: our guy.
Speaker 6: You know you want him to bring him home.
Speaker 2: I would love that, really, I love that for me.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't love it for Donald because ultimately, whether it's
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Zack Wilson, I'll leave Aaron Rodgers out of this.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I would get it.
Speaker 1: Like if if my son Connor was the potential number
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft and the Jets had the
Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft. Even though as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan, I think I'd be tempted to be involved
Speaker 1: to get him to a place where he has the
Speaker 1: best chance to succeed long term. Zack essentially is out
Speaker 1: of the league and Sam luckily had enough, He had
Speaker 1: enough coaches.
Speaker 6: Who got to go to San Francisco and sit behind.
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge There are a lot of
Speaker 1: smart football people that love Sam Donald and I don't
Speaker 1: think Zach had that going for him. I don't make
Speaker 1: vegha him a shot, but he was third string all
Speaker 1: year and I'm not even sure that they'll be in
Speaker 1: the league next year.
Speaker 2: So I've kind of changed my tune. Like, if you're
Speaker 2: a father and you have a.
Speaker 1: Chance to influence what will chart the course of your
Speaker 1: son's future, you do that, even if it's getting involved
Speaker 1: to make sure that he lands with the Raiders to
Speaker 1: play for Pete Carroll as opposed to the Titans or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I would kind of understand if Dion
Speaker 1: wanted to flex his muscles a little bit.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, without a doubt, And he has the clout
Speaker 6: and the type of way that I think if he
Speaker 6: when he talks people listen like I think, when you
Speaker 6: have the type of career and the personality like Dion,
Speaker 6: your words go a long way. And Shadoor too. I mean,
Speaker 6: like being around those guys for the last couple of years,
Speaker 6: it is not hard to see that the apple hasn't
Speaker 6: fallen too far from the Treatly, those guys are totally
Speaker 6: understanding of life as a professional athlete, even at you know,
Speaker 6: the time they were teenagers. All the way up until now.
Speaker 6: You can make an argument that nobody's ever been more
Speaker 6: or prepared from a social standpoint, being in a locker
Speaker 6: room understanding the ins and outs of being a professional.
Speaker 6: Then Shador, because he's been around his dad his entire life,
Speaker 6: his dad has kind of treated him as such. So yeah,
Speaker 6: it's going to be an interesting top part of the
Speaker 6: draft because I'm no expert. But I don't know if
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Browns or the Tennessee Titans are the type
Speaker 6: of franchise where you want to go in and become
Speaker 6: the savior.
Speaker 4: Maybe.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you can become the savior of the
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns, you'll walk on water. But that's easier said
Speaker 6: than done. Shiloh pro is his other kid, a pro
Speaker 6: special teamer. I mean he might get a late round
Speaker 6: draft or an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, Utah schedule release, Big twelve schedule release.
Speaker 2: We have Chris Camaraddi live in studio.
Speaker 1: We'll do a little bit more college footballs on the
Speaker 1: college football side of things for the athletic snow Outside
Speaker 1: Away from the World twenty twelve. But I mean that's
Speaker 1: just me because I'm an expert. But we do follow
Speaker 1: the Andy Bernard rule, deep tracks, no hits. Did you
Speaker 1: see our guy and the band, let's get his mic out.
Speaker 1: Our guy and the band be inducted into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame to ask.
Speaker 2: You this already.
Speaker 6: I think we talked about this a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember what ad for breakfast this morning.
Speaker 1: We're just talking off air. Nothing is real now, but
Speaker 1: Chris Camraadni is live in studio four o'clock hour. Look,
Speaker 1: I know you're not an NBA guy, okay, and I
Speaker 1: know that you're you're plugging in a college football We'll
Speaker 1: get back to little college football a bit. But what
Speaker 1: has happened this week in pro basketball is truly historic
Speaker 1: and it's never happened before. But for a guy like
Speaker 1: you who once upon a time maybe watch a little
Speaker 1: more pro basketball than he does now. And the data
Speaker 1: is in man, no matter what you want to spin
Speaker 1: as an NBA employee or an NBA person, less people
Speaker 1: are simply watching pro basketball.
Speaker 2: They just are. I have my own theories about it.
Speaker 1: And as we approach the end of football seasons to
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you know, the Sunday, and then we move
Speaker 1: into football offseason, the numbers will grow. They always do.
Speaker 1: But does news like this reverberate with you at all?
Speaker 1: That Luka Donci, a twenty five year old generationally special player,
Speaker 1: has been traded to the Lakers. Does that do anything
Speaker 1: for a non NBA guy like yourself.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna risk myself sounding super nerdy, but like to me,
Speaker 6: I'm way more fascinated like what ends up being reported,
Speaker 6: like how how each side basically tries to construct and
Speaker 6: control various narratives as to why something's happened and why
Speaker 6: some things didn't.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 6: I like to listen to press conferences because one I
Speaker 6: think for reporters it's really important to learn to ask simple, succinct,
Speaker 6: easy questions but with meaning. And I watched some of
Speaker 6: Luka Doncic and Rob Polinka's press conference today, and you
Speaker 6: know a lot of those guys as you know you
Speaker 6: have some of these guys on your show, did it.
Speaker 6: We're pretty direct in asking Luca and Rob like some
Speaker 6: of these theories of why Luca got traded and why
Speaker 6: he might have been on the block, And it's fascinating
Speaker 6: to me. We we live in this world where and
Speaker 6: I'm obviously as a reporter myself, like you have to
Speaker 6: try to always tell the truth and find the right
Speaker 6: people to talk to. But yeah, and the meat in
Speaker 6: the Meeta after math, I was wondering, like, who who
Speaker 6: is going to take control of the spin zone with this?
Speaker 6: And immediately I was texting my brother in law, who's
Speaker 6: a diehard Mavericks fan, and I was like asking him.
Speaker 6: I was like, how do you explain this to Sasha,
Speaker 6: my nephew who's who's nine and loves and loves the
Speaker 6: maths Like they live in northern California. They went and
Speaker 6: saw Luca play in Sacramento like two months ago. He
Speaker 6: has a Luca jersey. I was like, how do you
Speaker 6: explain this to him? And he was like it's hard, man, like,
Speaker 6: this is this is part of the dad life where
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, sometimes things.
Speaker 2: Don't work out, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: But then I told him, I was like, hey, well,
Speaker 6: I mean that you can look at it from a
Speaker 6: glass half full point of view, And I said, you
Speaker 6: could tell him, and you can tell me if this
Speaker 6: is wrong. But like, aren't the MAVs in theory going
Speaker 6: to be a better team this year on paper with
Speaker 6: Anthony Davis then if healthy, then with Luca and Kyrie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, Okay, I would say no, just because Luca.
Speaker 1: I've never really seen a player at Luca's age impact
Speaker 1: the game the way he impacts it. In five years,
Speaker 1: five first team All NBA selections, five All Star Games,
Speaker 1: he was thirty five, eleven and nine last year in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and led them to the finals. He actually
Speaker 1: led the NBA in minutes played if you combine the
Speaker 1: regular season in the postseason last year. Okay, mile Ta like,
Speaker 1: he must be such a royal pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: It's the only thing that makes sense from a basketball standpoint.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense at all in my opinion. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe it frees up Kyrie a little bit, and Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis is really good. I mean, Luca is so good
Speaker 1: that we're talking about Anthony Davis like he's Curtis, you know,
Speaker 1: the big the jazz here that had horrible feet.
Speaker 2: He's a really good player.
Speaker 6: Ben hand logged in.
Speaker 1: Good shout out, Ben hand logged in on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It's never a bad time to get a Ben hand
Speaker 1: logged and shout out. And maybe it ups there, you know.
Speaker 1: Bottom line this year a little bit, but moving forward,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, you know that.
Speaker 1: And usually when somebody is, I kind of roll my eyes,
Speaker 1: whether it's sports or politics or religion. But the Lakers
Speaker 1: man Wilt to Kareem. Kareem's your bridge, Kareem to Magic.
Speaker 1: Magic was your bridge, Magic to Shaq and Kobe. There's
Speaker 1: your bridge, Kobe and Shack.
Speaker 6: To Lebron, Kobe and Shack to Kobe and Powell Correct, correct, Champion.
Speaker 2: Just another bridge.
Speaker 1: And now the bridge is Lebron to Luca and it's
Speaker 1: the If you're a Lakers fan, it is the perfect
Speaker 1: You could not have hand picked a better player to
Speaker 1: step in and run your team after Lebron is done,
Speaker 1: whether that's this year or the year after. Lebron has
Speaker 1: a player option to play for the Lakers. For one
Speaker 1: more year. My guess is he he wants to play
Speaker 1: for one more year. I mean he always he already
Speaker 1: got his kid in the league, and poor kid can't play.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel bad for him, But ultimately I
Speaker 1: think you get Lebron for one year next to Luka.
Speaker 2: We'll see how that works.
Speaker 1: There's some redundancy, but that's the type of redundancy you
Speaker 1: want because they're both brilliant and they're both geniuses with
Speaker 1: making decisions.
Speaker 6: Has there ever been redundancy at that level in the
Speaker 6: NBA and have it worked to a championship level?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: I mean when you think about teams with a couple
Speaker 1: of great like heatles, you know, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: the one interesting thing you talked about is Lebron played
Speaker 1: with peak Dwayne Waighte like in his prime Dwayne Way
Speaker 1: and those two figured it out right, And so I've
Speaker 1: never been I've always pushed back on the whole, like, well,
Speaker 1: they both need the ball, so they can't play together.
Speaker 6: Like no, especially in today's NBA works it's like just
Speaker 6: try to just use your skill to get open. Nobody's
Speaker 6: running these complex sets. It's like give no house set
Speaker 6: the screen, get around him, give me.
Speaker 1: The talents, and then we'll figure it out. I've always
Speaker 1: been that guy. So even though there is a little
Speaker 1: bit of redundancy between the two, there are two of
Speaker 1: the top I don't know four or five decision makers
Speaker 1: in the history of the game, and at twenty five
Speaker 1: you do not make this trade. It truly is wild.
Speaker 1: And I haven't talked to anybody around the league that
Speaker 1: saw this coming. Everybody is just completely.
Speaker 6: Seeing I think that's like fascinating to me more than
Speaker 6: like the encore part my job. It's like, in this
Speaker 6: day and age, how did Nico Harrison and Rob Polinka
Speaker 6: basically keep this under wraps? I mean Rob basically said
Speaker 6: in his press conference today, he was like, it was
Speaker 6: made clear that if this got out, if this was
Speaker 6: leaked at all, we would not go forward with this trade. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so it was basically two old friends that knew each
Speaker 6: other going back to their you know, Rob days with
Speaker 6: with Kobe and Nico's days at Nike and ownership groups obviously,
Speaker 6: but yeah, what's it going to do for the league though?
Speaker 6: That's that's my points. Like to you, I asked you
Speaker 6: that off there, and you're like, people will maybe watch
Speaker 6: more Lakers games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, what do you think Rob Polinka does
Speaker 1: at night when he's not working. There's something off about
Speaker 1: that dude. He was dressed like he was the lead
Speaker 1: singer of a bad bon Jovie band. For the press conference.
Speaker 1: There's some jail.
Speaker 6: The jail pointed downward is the is the first question
Speaker 6: that I have that the tight leather jacket unzipped on
Speaker 6: both ends a little bit, it was a secondary one.
Speaker 6: But listen, man, Like, when you're living that la elite lifestyle,
Speaker 6: you got to keep up with the with the joneses.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if you go to the Viper room on
Speaker 1: a random Tuesday morning at like one am, there's a
Speaker 1: chance Polinka just comes limping out of the restaurant.
Speaker 6: You don't You don't think he's, you know, playing some
Speaker 6: pickup on Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: No, I get vibes from him. The bodies are buried somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 6: He's a good rob blow.
Speaker 1: He does look a lot like bl but but but ultimately,
Speaker 1: does this up the bottom line of interest for the league?
Speaker 1: I mean, over the past twenty four or forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: the highest downloaded articles on ESPN's dot com or all
Speaker 1: this Luca is this Luca trade. Everybody's talking about it,
Speaker 1: all right? Moving over to our local pro basketball team.
Speaker 1: When you're in a family gathering or you're hanging out
Speaker 1: with friends and they know that you cover sports, what
Speaker 1: do they ask you? What do they say to you
Speaker 1: about you get me free tickets? Outside of of course
Speaker 1: being mooches, because they all are, but outside of wanting
Speaker 1: pre jazz tickets? What what's the jazz take around town
Speaker 1: right now? It's tough, isn't It's a tough scene.
Speaker 6: I think, apoplectic, Like I don't. I don't know if
Speaker 6: there is a vibe right now, I think, and again
Speaker 6: for if there is a faction of jazz fans that
Speaker 6: are frustrated that the franchise is where it is, I'll
Speaker 6: give my unsolicited opinion that people don't care about It's
Speaker 6: like they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Listen, Like,
Speaker 6: even if you would have been able to keep Rudy
Speaker 6: or keep Donovan one of those guys, if you would
Speaker 6: have been able to build around the edges, those guys
Speaker 6: weren't going to be able to compete with some of
Speaker 6: these teams that have been constructed in the Western conference
Speaker 6: right now. They just couldn't, Like I wouldn't take those
Speaker 6: guys over Memphis over the young Houston team obviously. Okay, see,
Speaker 6: like the list is pretty long, so and and and
Speaker 6: I guess I'm gonna bob and weave a little bit.
Speaker 6: Going back to Luca, It's like, I think the reason
Speaker 6: why people are so upset in Dallas is because they
Speaker 6: probably realized that they struck lottery twice. They had Dirk
Speaker 6: and then I don't know how many years between Dirk
Speaker 6: and Luca, but it couldn't have been more than two handful.
Speaker 1: I want to say, did Dirk play with Luca one year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean maybe to check ESPN stats and info or
Speaker 6: guy like, it just doesn't happen in this league. So
Speaker 6: the fact that you had a player like that on
Speaker 6: your team the face of the franchise. It's so difficult
Speaker 6: to land those guys in the first place. And I'm
Speaker 6: not even comparing Luca to to Donovan because we know
Speaker 6: Luca is a generational player and Donovan's a good he's
Speaker 6: a good NBA player, He's an one.
Speaker 2: One season together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it is so hard, especially in markets that
Speaker 6: aren't LA and not you know, New York. But that
Speaker 6: being said, if you do look at the kind of
Speaker 6: the powers that be now, it's in the East Eastern
Speaker 6: Conference obviously Boston, but Cleveland, Milwaukee not destination towns. Oklahoma City, Houston, Memphis,
Speaker 6: and the West not destination places. It's all about how
Speaker 6: you build, and the Jazz have to build and they
Speaker 6: we honestly don't know if they have any building blocks
Speaker 6: right now beyond lowry marketing. I guess you could make
Speaker 6: an argument for Walker Kessler. Yeah, but your two bigs
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five do not solve your problem because
Speaker 6: the game is now, who are your six foot seven,
Speaker 6: six foot eight, six foot nine wing players and the
Speaker 6: Jazz need to find those well.
Speaker 1: And to your point about this not necessarily happening very
Speaker 1: often in pro basketball, you just have to rely on
Speaker 1: savvy planning and then luck. You just have to like
Speaker 1: because it has happened in other places, it just hasn't
Speaker 1: happened here. The only time the Jazz have been built
Speaker 1: correctly and they've been able to win at a high level,
Speaker 1: you had some very smart talent evaluators find some very
Speaker 1: very high value in places in the draft that you
Speaker 1: don't typically find it. John and Carl mid late first round,
Speaker 1: go Baart twenty seven, Donovan late lottery, even Hayward Lade lottery,
Speaker 1: millsap second round, like most of our best players, if
Speaker 1: not all of our best players. Darren top five pick,
Speaker 1: but he's the outlier right anytime they like they I
Speaker 1: think Cantor was the third pick, like that was you
Speaker 1: blew that one. But most of the value they found
Speaker 1: have been mid lottery, laid first round, sometimes in the
Speaker 1: second round. And when you look at the markets to
Speaker 1: your point where you have to be analogous with Salt Lake, Denver,
Speaker 1: was your cousin who drove up to Idaho and about
Speaker 1: the lottery ticket and then the powerball numbers hit because
Speaker 1: they got Jokich at forty three and he is the
Speaker 1: best player in the world. Milwaukee Giannis mid first round.
Speaker 1: You know, so something like that needs to fall into place.
Speaker 6: For the Jazz and you need a couple huge dominoes.
Speaker 1: Yes, And the most likely way to do that in
Speaker 1: a market like Salt Lake is simply having a top
Speaker 1: pick like san Antonio did.
Speaker 2: I always draw the san Antonio example.
Speaker 1: I have done this for years because people will say, well,
Speaker 1: you can't do it in Salt Lake, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: have you been to San Antonio?
Speaker 4: Tape? Man?
Speaker 6: I like san Antono.
Speaker 1: I liked it the first.
Speaker 2: Couple of times.
Speaker 1: Then it's like, Okay, are we doing nachos in the
Speaker 1: river walk again?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you. Tech the text mix if you
Speaker 6: find the right spots there. But yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I would prefer saw Lake over San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Then when you look at the you know, the media numbers,
Speaker 1: they're a smaller market than we are. But San Antonio
Speaker 1: David Robinson first overall pick, Tim Duncan, first overall pick.
Speaker 1: You talk about Laker bridges, Okay, now we have San
Speaker 1: Antonio bridges, and now they have Victor wemban Ya.
Speaker 2: I'm a number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: They had three opportunities to draft the number one player
Speaker 1: overall and they've knocked it out of the park all
Speaker 1: three times. And the Jazz have never had the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick. It just is going to take a
Speaker 1: little san Antonio type lady.
Speaker 3: Luck.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've they've chosen wisely when it comes to choosing
Speaker 6: to be bad, right, because I think the year that
Speaker 6: they chose Duncan, I think Robinson was really hurt the
Speaker 6: year before or was it the lockout No.
Speaker 1: No, the lockout year was the year they won the
Speaker 1: title over Latrell Springs all in Houston and the New
Speaker 1: York Knickerbockers. But the year Duncan was a senior at
Speaker 1: wake Forest. As the story goes, David Robinson reported a
Speaker 1: camp and he was like, hey, I'm good, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: actually you're not not. Your back really hurts, and so
Speaker 1: he wanted to play that year and they basically said,
Speaker 1: just watch this kid at wake Forest. That's why you're
Speaker 1: not playing. But again, you need the lottery, lucky, best
Speaker 1: laid plans a side seek. Yeah, you still need the
Speaker 1: luck to fall your way.
Speaker 6: It's funny if that's true that they told like the
Speaker 6: most in shape giant human in the history of the world.
Speaker 6: Like I remember like in Awe of David Robinson who
Speaker 6: was like seven to one and was like cut like
Speaker 6: a bodybuilder, and the stuff that he could do. But anyways,
Speaker 6: my question to you, and this is where we're getting
Speaker 6: really sports talk, redo, why doesn't the NBA follow the
Speaker 6: NFL model where the worst team gets the best top pick, Like,
Speaker 6: do you think there's a world in which the NBA
Speaker 6: could go that route.
Speaker 1: Well, once upon a time that was talked about, and
Speaker 1: the fear is that too many teams would just be unserious.
Speaker 6: Well that's what they're always they're doing anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the NBA would tell you their spin is
Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid the tanking that is so clearly happening.
Speaker 6: Yeah. The irony to me is that in the NFL,
Speaker 6: I'm sure there are some tankers, but like for the
Speaker 6: most part, people are trying way harder than in the NBA.
Speaker 6: And the NBA has the lottery system. It's just iron Yeah.
Speaker 1: The way the NFL is set up, really top to
Speaker 1: bottom is a better business model. It's not as favorable
Speaker 1: to the players, right, And so this is an unpopular take.
Speaker 1: If if a pro athletes listening to the show, because really,
Speaker 1: the guaranteed contracts in pro basketball change the way players decided.
Speaker 2: To approach their job.
Speaker 1: There was a time, Chris, where NBA players honestly needed
Speaker 1: paychecks on the first and the fifteenth of every month,
Speaker 1: and if they didn't show up and play in games,
Speaker 1: they weren't paid, right, and they needed the money they
Speaker 1: really did. Now, what's Lebron need another dollar for it?
Speaker 1: And not just Lebron. You can go down the list.
Speaker 1: A lot of these players will never have to work
Speaker 1: a day in their life, and neither will four generations
Speaker 1: behind them. And at the end of the day, that's
Speaker 1: a good thing because there were too many oligarchs making
Speaker 1: millions on their backs and so I'm all for the
Speaker 1: basketball related income split that goes to the players. Now,
Speaker 1: the NFL simply doesn't do that. There are very few
Speaker 1: guaranteed deals. There are more now than there used to be,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, you got to show up,
Speaker 1: you got to play hard so you can earn your paycheck.
Speaker 1: And that leads to teams, even if they're trying not
Speaker 1: to be great, employing players that are playing their ass
Speaker 1: off every week, and that's why you get more parody.
Speaker 2: It's a better business model for the viewer.
Speaker 1: Which is why the NFL has the best TV show
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports period.
Speaker 2: End of story, it just does.
Speaker 6: Do you think if the NBA adopted the worst to
Speaker 6: first model, do you think that would expedite the process
Speaker 6: of teams rebuild Teams that need to rebuild faster, like
Speaker 6: the Jazz or like the Wizards. Do you think that
Speaker 6: would help the parody.
Speaker 1: Maybe is the answer. It's tough because another model that
Speaker 1: I've seen thrown around is simply you just cycle it
Speaker 1: every year, just you know, Okay, the Jazz have the
Speaker 1: first pick next year, then they go to the thirty
Speaker 1: second pick next and then they move up, you know,
Speaker 1: and then they just kind of rotated that way. This
Speaker 1: is one way where you flatten a lottery odds. And
Speaker 1: so you're trying to avoid the the you know, the
Speaker 1: the tanking stuff at the end. And maybe if you
Speaker 1: just did worst gets first, you would have some interesting
Speaker 1: games where you could watch where teams are just really
Speaker 1: horrible and like the Trainers playing point.
Speaker 2: Guard or something.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, I just go back to promotion relegation.
Speaker 1: Let's just bring it to the NBA.
Speaker 6: It would be communist man, it would rule that you
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a reality check podcast, it is.
Speaker 2: Man, but that would rule all right.
Speaker 1: So Jazz basketball, Steph Curry and Town tomorrow night they
Speaker 1: lost the Pacers last time. NBA trade deadline comes and
Speaker 1: goes on Thursday afternoon. There actually is something that you
Speaker 1: shared that you actually wrote about recently, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: because I talked about on the show. I believe college
Speaker 1: football games should be played on college football campuses. Yea,
Speaker 1: and I believe that should go for every single game,
Speaker 1: maybe besides the National championship game. You make that your
Speaker 1: super Bowl. We've already talked about the Joel Clatt thing.
Speaker 1: He wants the Rose Bowl to be the college football
Speaker 1: super Bowl. He's not wrong, and I think it would
Speaker 1: be really cool. Yeah, and then every game prior to
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl super Bowl for college football is played
Speaker 1: on a college campus, because that's, to me, is one
Speaker 1: of the things that makes college football amazing. You did
Speaker 1: a deep dive though on what it cost fans, namely
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 6: It was I talked to fans of each of the
Speaker 6: four semi finals teams who had gone to various playoff games,
Speaker 6: whether they were all of them or a few of them.
Speaker 1: So give us an idea of what that economic impact
Speaker 1: was like if you were a fan of a team
Speaker 1: and had to go to multiple venues to see them
Speaker 1: play in the CFP.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the Notre Dame fan I talked to was awesome
Speaker 6: because she's based in Pittsburgh, isn't a lum, isn't a
Speaker 6: season ticket holder, so she doesn't have the inn in
Speaker 6: terms of maybe a not as significant hit from a
Speaker 6: ticket's point of view. But she went to the home
Speaker 6: game against Indiana. She went to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia,
Speaker 6: the semi final against was it Penn State maybe Pensteam, Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then they went to the National She went to
Speaker 6: the National championship game against Ohio State, and you know,
Speaker 6: bless her heart, she was awesome. She's a diehard Notre
Speaker 6: Dame fan, and she just basically broke down, like down
Speaker 6: to the dollar, how much everything costs. And I don't
Speaker 6: have it pulled up in front of me, but it
Speaker 6: was a lot of money. Yeah, And it's the type
Speaker 6: of money that do you remember when we were kids
Speaker 6: and it was like your parents would be like, one day,
Speaker 6: I'm going to take you on that once in a
Speaker 6: lifetime trip to wherever. Like that was like I remember
Speaker 6: that being the conversation when I was a kid. This
Speaker 6: is kind of what I equated it too, Like this
Speaker 6: is probably fans that have been saving or have the
Speaker 6: means to be able to splurge when they see the
Speaker 6: moment present itself. And you know, to me, the tickets
Speaker 6: weren't as expensive as everything else. Like it's it's the
Speaker 6: last minute flights, it's the hotels, it's the miscellaneous stuff,
Speaker 6: the lifts, that everything. And to your point, I think
Speaker 6: you could be able to curb the cost of so
Speaker 6: many fans emptying their pockets for this stuff. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, I think one thing we often and
Speaker 6: I did this when I first started working on this piece.
Speaker 6: We can't all assume that that fans are lums of
Speaker 6: schools live in that town anymore. So like a lot
Speaker 6: of these folks of the friend you know, fans of
Speaker 6: these schools like that. The Ohio State fan I talked
Speaker 6: to is a is a special education teacher in Santa Monica,
Speaker 6: and he still went to everyone. You know, it's like
Speaker 6: you find a way. But everybody that I talked to
Speaker 6: I asked him that question. I said, like, would you
Speaker 6: like to see the model morph from what it is
Speaker 6: now to having home games up until the national championship game?
Speaker 6: And pretty much everybody said yes. The Notre Dame fan
Speaker 6: said like, I would like that, but because we're an independent,
Speaker 6: it's not currently set up that we would be able
Speaker 6: to because you know, we know the system currently favors
Speaker 6: the conference champions. My only thing, and I think the
Speaker 6: reason why this would never happen. Is college football as
Speaker 6: a whole is way too embedded in its relationship with
Speaker 6: those high profile bowls? And if we're talking about I mean,
Speaker 6: you remember like that Penn State SMU game was like
Speaker 6: ten degrees. Are you really going to keep risking that
Speaker 6: going deeper and deeper into December and January? I think
Speaker 6: that I think the product potentially being hurt would be
Speaker 6: very a reason for apprehension for the powers that be.
Speaker 1: So the breakdown, and this is the lady, the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame alum, and is this just did she have family
Speaker 1: with her? Is this just her?
Speaker 4: Just her?
Speaker 1: So? Can you imagine if you're traveling with like a
Speaker 1: family force. So, this is what it cost one Notre
Speaker 1: Dame fan to attend Indiana, Georgia, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Ohio State first round against Indiana tickets, lodging, miscellaneous, one
Speaker 1: thousand and sixty two quarterfinal UGA, same stuff, one eight
Speaker 1: hundred ninety five semifinal, Penn State, same stuff, one thousand,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and twenty five championship game against Ohio State
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollars. She spent seven thousand, one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty two dollars to attend four Notre Dame games.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think her name is Christy. It is okay.
Speaker 6: Christy had an inn of sorts because some of her
Speaker 6: group of friends are more high profile donors, and at
Speaker 6: Notre Dame, if you the more you donate, the more
Speaker 6: likely you are to get a friendly budget hit when
Speaker 6: it comes to tickets. So that worked out great for them.
Speaker 6: It probably was a lot more tickets wise for other
Speaker 6: people who aren't in that realm. But like, what was
Speaker 6: crazy is looking at the data from the last few playoffs,
Speaker 6: there haven't been that many games where the tickets, even
Speaker 6: as you got into the semi finals in the finals
Speaker 6: were really out of you know, extraordinary value. But this
Speaker 6: Ohio State Notre Dame game was nuts. I think it
Speaker 6: was like at one point, I think game during the
Speaker 6: game day, like at like seven or eight am, like
Speaker 6: tickets were like already in like the three to four
Speaker 6: thousand dollars range. But I mean a lot of that
Speaker 6: the factors are, like you're talking about regional rivals to
Speaker 6: Midwest teams. Notre Dame hadn't been there. I think in
Speaker 6: like eleven years. Haven't won a national title since nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty eight. So there are a lot of mitigating factors there.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I mean just for one person, like
Speaker 6: seventy one hundred bucks, and then, like you said, if
Speaker 6: you want to take a spouse and a couple of
Speaker 6: kids like shoot man, like you might as well take
Speaker 6: out a second mortgage on your house.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to ask, Yeah, it really is. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting in college football fans. It's just
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you get older, you just realize
Speaker 1: most of these things, and maybe you don't understand entirely. Politics, football,
Speaker 1: religion is so much about community. Yeah, right, and that's
Speaker 1: really all it is. In a lot of ways, even
Speaker 1: people don't even care to intellectualize the community they're in.
Speaker 1: They just want to be in it, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and so they don't give a rip if weird things
Speaker 1: are happening at the White House or if weird things
Speaker 1: are happening in college football. They just want to be
Speaker 1: in the They want to wear the red hat and
Speaker 1: feel good when they go out, that's kind of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they want to flash to you, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: want to flash to you whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised to know this most expensive tickets
Speaker 1: round one Indiana and other.
Speaker 6: Name I mean the proximity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you could have also history, the first year history.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like they the folks who were either legally
Speaker 6: or illegally selling tickets, Yeah, could just inflate those numbers
Speaker 6: to an ungodly level because when is Indiana going to
Speaker 6: get back there? Maybe maybe they will, But like I
Speaker 6: think Bloomington is a three hour drive to South Bend.
Speaker 6: Like the fact that they were so close, it was
Speaker 6: just a no brainer for people to be able to
Speaker 6: take advantage of our capitalistic market.
Speaker 1: Place, indeed, the neoliberal capitalistic takeover. But look, when you
Speaker 1: had been indoctrinated into a community and you love being
Speaker 1: part of that community, You're fine spending this money.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: Everybody I talked to is like, I do it again.
Speaker 6: I do it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: You're gonna buy the shoes, You're gonna buy the bibles,
Speaker 1: You're going to buy the tickets. You're going to shell
Speaker 1: out the cash because you want to be part of
Speaker 1: that community.
Speaker 6: Well, and for so many of these schools this year
Speaker 6: at least, like like I said, this is potentially a
Speaker 6: once once in a blue moon type deal. Like for
Speaker 6: the Ohio States or Texas's they'll be back and they'll
Speaker 6: have home games. But for a lot of these schools,
Speaker 6: like I mean, I remember there was a in real
Speaker 6: time SMU was trying to get to Stay College. But
Speaker 6: because it's so hard to get there, like a boot
Speaker 6: like a plane of really rich boosters were like late
Speaker 6: getting to this private airport and they were being busted
Speaker 6: there privately, and like I think they eventually got there
Speaker 6: for like the third quarter, but by the time they
Speaker 6: got there, the game was out of hand. It's like,
Speaker 6: you just go for it if you can.
Speaker 1: All right, before I set you loose. The Utah Hockey
Speaker 1: Club has narrowed their list of name options. What are
Speaker 1: we at so fans can go through the motion of
Speaker 1: pretending to vote for the name tonight one more time
Speaker 1: and then just give qual Tricks your info.
Speaker 2: Then they'll do whatever they want. That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the exercise is thought to allow these people
Speaker 1: to potentially vote on Utah Hockey Club, Utah Mammoth, and
Speaker 1: then the Utah Outlaws. And we learned that Porter's distant
Speaker 1: cousin is Billy the Kid or who is it? It's
Speaker 1: it's one of the Outlaws. I'm gonna wait till you
Speaker 1: get it right. Which Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid
Speaker 1: and the wh Old Bunch Porters related to Butch Cassidy.
Speaker 1: So we did a twenty minute history lesson on Outlaws
Speaker 1: in Utah last week.
Speaker 6: Who's the dude who was the like the henchman for
Speaker 6: Brigham Young Porter?
Speaker 2: Porter Rockwell is his namesake?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 2: So another I don't even know is it?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 6: My third great grandfather we talked about was like his
Speaker 6: best friend. So we So what I before I go,
Speaker 6: I want to know your votes for the name Utah
Speaker 6: Hockey Club. I keep going back and forth. I'm kind
Speaker 6: of like a dinosaur fossil nerd as well as like
Speaker 6: an outlaw nerd. So I'm kind of cool with either one.
Speaker 6: And Spence has kind of gotten me on board with
Speaker 6: Utah Hockey Club being a decent option as well. So
Speaker 6: I'm going to currently vote for Outlaw, but I'm I'm
Speaker 6: going either way. So we in this state we are
Speaker 6: known for having dinosaur fossils. The mammoth thing I don't
Speaker 6: really understand, particularly like I don't know when when was
Speaker 6: the last time if we ever have had a Mammoth
Speaker 6: Fossil Here. I'm gonna be with Porter, but I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go hockey club. One outlast to Mammoth is out for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I've landed on that as well. We
Speaker 1: just did an hour with Well Tracey.
Speaker 6: We didn't even talk about the.
Speaker 2: Trays in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1: So they're in Coachella. Man, Oh, that's right, they're in
Speaker 1: Coachella now. I bet Pobs is tripping on something.
Speaker 6: Listen, let's tripping on formations.
Speaker 1: Little Jack, little Jack Johnson, Den Harper on the speaker. Oh,
Speaker 1: golfing with Pobs man the music that comes. We had
Speaker 1: a we had a couple of Jason Moraz tunes.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you've told me about that.
Speaker 1: That was rough.
Speaker 6: That's okay, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: It is. There has to be a line, Jason Maras
Speaker 1: has to be the line. There has to be a line.
Speaker 1: You're offending Dave Fox in here, give me a I'm
Speaker 1: sure Fox loves Maras. I can see Fox in a Fedora.
Speaker 1: What's what's what's going on right now with give me
Speaker 1: a quick thought on the lads on Situlus.
Speaker 6: I think it's two weeks from today. They they're down
Speaker 6: in Costa Rica's right conquered cass. Yeah. Quick thought is
Speaker 6: they got worse this offseason? Yeah, they did, and there's
Speaker 6: no really other way to spin it. And I think
Speaker 6: the fan base is probably very bummed out because for
Speaker 6: a long time they were waiting to have the type
Speaker 6: of roster constructed that they had last year, and to
Speaker 6: see it dissipate in eight months is probably pretty heartbreak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not buying the spin goals by committee, thirty
Speaker 1: five year old keeper good with.
Speaker 6: His I mean it's MLS dude, who knows like they
Speaker 6: could for all that we know, like they could get
Speaker 6: the seventh seed and go on a run to MLS
Speaker 6: Cup next year with a bunch of with a bunch
Speaker 6: of dudes. I mean, I guess we know some of them,
Speaker 6: but like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Christopher, Great to see you. It's still sixty two. Did
Speaker 2: you did you can? Did you ride the bus?
Speaker 6: Should have? Oh wow, I had to run errands before We'll.
Speaker 2: Get home safe man. Good to see it.
Speaker 6: Thanks man.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think when you would really want to
Speaker 1: listen to music like this, like a road trip, driving
Speaker 1: long distances. Dave Fox is live in studio all right,
Speaker 1: which hipster EDM band? Did you bring us today? First
Speaker 1: of all, there is a connection here is this is Cascade.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that name? I have heard of Cascade.
Speaker 1: I actually have a Cascade song on a playlist to mind.
Speaker 1: What do you know about Cascade? The only that the
Speaker 1: song I have is called Fine Love and it's actually
Speaker 1: quite good.
Speaker 8: Okay, that one? That was Fine Love. But he's a
Speaker 8: universe of Utah graduate. And in honor of the UTES
Speaker 8: schedule and BYU scheduled coming out today, I thought I
Speaker 8: would play you of you grad Cascade.
Speaker 2: What's his real name?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know. Okay, it's definitely not cast I
Speaker 1: would be his last name?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know him as Cascade as you do.
Speaker 1: Do you have any insight info on the Cascade? Is
Speaker 1: he like a DJ? Is that what it is? And
Speaker 1: it's it's a Cascade?
Speaker 3: K A S K A D.
Speaker 2: I did that song.
Speaker 1: It's called on your Mind, by the way, okay, sweet, Well,
Speaker 1: so there you go, because I was on your mind
Speaker 1: today you were not. But you're live in studio. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me last night on You're Always. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Great, Yeah, you ripped through that nicely.
Speaker 1: Shout out to timmy our guy. He wrote four of
Speaker 1: the five questions yesterday.
Speaker 2: Dave, he writes all the questions every time.
Speaker 1: That's not true, but he did. He's been doing a
Speaker 1: lot lately because he's he's just creative.
Speaker 8: And I like to expand because if you if the
Speaker 8: same guy does it every week, it might get stale
Speaker 8: or every other week, and so I'll bring him in
Speaker 8: for a month or two and then.
Speaker 1: I'll then you'll let Leonard do it and then kids,
Speaker 1: why don't you try doing it one time? Well, I've
Speaker 1: done it a lot, David. David, you are a hero.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: In our business you have people, no kids, listen up. Okay,
Speaker 1: If if you want to look up to somebody in
Speaker 1: this market that is in sports media, you should look
Speaker 1: up to Dave Fox. He somehow has found a way
Speaker 1: to create like a forty year career while never putting
Speaker 1: it in one ounce of work at all. And I'm
Speaker 1: not bringing that up to knock on. You want bringing
Speaker 1: that up to say, you, sir, are a hero. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for that. Yeah, So that's amazing. That's gone that long.
Speaker 1: You got your guys writing questions. You just show up
Speaker 1: and you're the face and you let Mikolic do all
Speaker 1: the hard work. You never leave the studio. You have
Speaker 1: dinner delivered to the studio. Dave, you are a pioneer,
Speaker 1: my friend. You know, I haven't gotten into that part yet.
Speaker 1: Now that you mention it, what's up the whole door
Speaker 1: Dash Dot DoD I've never done that well because it's
Speaker 1: like thirty seven dollars for a brew. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I go get I drive down the street. But there's
Speaker 1: some people that live with that. Yeah, leave your house
Speaker 1: because hey, the restaurants don't like it. And be true,
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. Restaurants don't like DoorDash. I no, no,
Speaker 1: they don't like DoorDash at all because DoorDash charges them
Speaker 1: fees and then customers complain that the food is so expensive.
Speaker 1: They've order a burrito from door Dash tonight it will
Speaker 1: be twenty seven dollars. I'm not gonna kid it. I
Speaker 1: don't even not on account. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: All right, you referenced the Big twelve college football schedule release.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you right off the top. October eighteenth,
Speaker 1: Utah Day, the last time BYU and Utah played football
Speaker 1: in October. It was nineteen sixty seven, you were forty
Speaker 1: one years old.
Speaker 2: It is bizarre. Why are we doing it?
Speaker 8: I thought last year, after them not putting them at
Speaker 8: the end of the season, there was some talk of all,
Speaker 8: we should have done that, we'll get it right.
Speaker 1: And then what do they do the next year They
Speaker 1: move it up even further. Remember last year, I believe.
Speaker 8: It wasn't the first Saturday in November November ninth, Yeah
Speaker 8: maybe so, yeah, you're right, it was second Saturday November.
Speaker 8: But and then now they've made it even worse. I
Speaker 8: don't understand how, in this day and age of college
Speaker 8: rivalries and how great rivalries are, they think that Utah
Speaker 8: playing Kansas and BYU playing Central Florida, which by the way,
Speaker 8: is how Utah ended last season. Although at least b
Speaker 8: why you gets to be home is makes sense, at
Speaker 8: the end of the season, it makes no sense at all.
Speaker 8: I don't understand why. Maybe even I don't know if
Speaker 8: the athletic directors have some input, Maybe they don't want
Speaker 8: to play it at the end of the year.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's it's sad and I and none of us
Speaker 1: can be that thrilled about October eighteenth. It's really while
Speaker 1: it's the one thing because look, trying to analyze what
Speaker 1: the Big twelve will look like this year in football
Speaker 1: on February fourth is an exercising futility. Tell me who
Speaker 1: you pick sixteenth so I can pick them to win?
Speaker 1: Right So, I don't know if it's a hard schedule.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an easy schedule. Comparing Utah
Speaker 1: to BYU, I'm not really even sure exactly how to
Speaker 1: do that right now. I mean there's some metrics well
Speaker 1: that you can utilize, like the.
Speaker 2: And P plus. But we'll have spring football, then we'll have.
Speaker 1: Another transfer window, and come fall the team could look
Speaker 1: completely different. It's impossible to know whether or not this
Speaker 1: is an easier hard schedule. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: jumped out at me, Dave, was BYU Utah. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's an easier or hard schedule. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who how good or bad these teams are
Speaker 1: going to be. We know what that game is, no
Speaker 1: matter what, no matter if they're over or undefeated. We
Speaker 1: know what that game is.
Speaker 2: We saw it this year.
Speaker 8: It was a great game, and BYU was had a
Speaker 8: better team on paper coming into it, So I don't
Speaker 8: know why they don't just do that now. If you
Speaker 8: use this year's schedule or teams as any sort of
Speaker 8: a barometer, Utah has a really tough finishing schedule with
Speaker 8: both Kansas schools. But other than that, you're right, there's
Speaker 8: no way to tell other than you know, Kansas should
Speaker 8: be playing Kansas State at the end of the season.
Speaker 8: Utah should be playing BYU at the end of the season.
Speaker 8: That's just the way those things should be. And I
Speaker 8: don't know how long it's gonna take the Big Twelve
Speaker 8: to figure that out, but I hope sooner than later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they have Arizona on a state final
Speaker 1: game of the year. And your point about last season
Speaker 1: is a good one because I can remember we even
Speaker 1: had some Big Twelve guests on the show and some
Speaker 1: college football like Josh Pate, who now has a really
Speaker 1: massive college football podcast. He was in town prior to
Speaker 1: the Florida game, and I asked him, have you ever
Speaker 1: been to a Utah BYU game? And he said, no,
Speaker 1: you know, but I know you know obviously if you
Speaker 1: know college football, you know it's a big time rival.
Speaker 1: Then first year in the Big Twelve, a lot of
Speaker 1: Big twelve people were kind of like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: see what this is about. And they could not have
Speaker 1: had a better introductions what this thing is. And by
Speaker 1: the way, what it is. Nine times out of ten
Speaker 1: the only time it's not like it was last year.
Speaker 1: If there's a massive talent gap like Utah in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, more often than not, this is down
Speaker 1: to the wire, last possession thing. It's always sold out.
Speaker 1: It was highly watched, highly viewed because it was a
Speaker 1: good television window. It checked every single box. And not
Speaker 1: to be you know, not to make a hyperbolic statement
Speaker 1: or be a sensationalist, but my concern about the future
Speaker 1: of college football.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a you know, sound the alarm. This
Speaker 2: sport is in trouble guy.
Speaker 1: I think Saturday's in the fall are always gonna feel
Speaker 1: like Saturday's in the fall. But my concern things like
Speaker 1: this indicate the people that are making decisions are losing
Speaker 1: track of what makes college football special. And at the
Speaker 1: top of the list are rivalries because they are different
Speaker 1: than your pro football rivalries. And this one's so unique
Speaker 1: because by us forty miles that way. You have to
Speaker 1: take care of the things that make your sports special,
Speaker 1: and rivalries to me are at the top of the list.
Speaker 8: Well, and what's even more frustrating about it, and your
Speaker 8: point is well taken. They witnessed it, they saw it.
Speaker 8: You referenced night two thousand and four. Yes, that was
Speaker 8: the Urban Meyer blowout year when they ran the table,
Speaker 8: but twelve months prior to that, it was a three
Speaker 8: to nothing game, right, I mean, and you know the
Speaker 8: same coaches.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could hit these guys over the head
Speaker 1: with a two by four, and it seems like they're
Speaker 1: not paying attention. If I'm not mistaken, I think there
Speaker 1: were a number of people on the national level that's
Speaker 1: after this year's Utah BYU came out and said, wow,
Speaker 1: that should have been the end of the season, because
Speaker 1: it frankly should have, and they've just brushed it aside
Speaker 1: and here we go again.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And so you know, obviously, that to me is the
Speaker 1: main takeaway. Awful.
Speaker 8: Well, the other the other thing, I'm sorry to interrupt you,
Speaker 8: the Utah's awful pre season schedule or non league schedule
Speaker 8: I should say, I shouldn't say awful, But okay, they
Speaker 8: go to UCLA, fine cal Paly here, and then how
Speaker 8: in the world are they going to Laramie.
Speaker 1: So Bill joined us earlier, and he provided some clarity
Speaker 1: because Porter is very excited to spend a number of
Speaker 1: days and hours in Laramie. Yes, we're gonna send him,
Speaker 1: not just for the game, but I'm gonna give him
Speaker 1: the week off and he's just gonna go live there
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of guy.
Speaker 6: Our guy is.
Speaker 8: He kind of looks like a Laramie guy though. That's
Speaker 8: I mean, the beard, you know, the mountain mans hair.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take it as a compliment, just so that's
Speaker 8: just switch that R on your hat to an L
Speaker 8: and you'll be right at home.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're gonna send Porter. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: man on the ground. But Bill said, this game has
Speaker 1: been scheduled for nearly a decade, so this is long.
Speaker 1: So it's like, so Tom Holmer talked about this earlier.
Speaker 3: Tom.
Speaker 1: You know, so Byu was out East Carolina this year
Speaker 1: and at first glance, it's like, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1: And Tom said, no, it's we're we're making good our
Speaker 1: agreement with East Carolina.
Speaker 2: And my understanding is Utah is doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: With Wyoming.
Speaker 1: Have you covered a game in Laramie? Oh, yeah, several times.
Speaker 8: I was at the game in Laramie urban Meyer, I
Speaker 8: believe it was his first year when the power went out,
Speaker 8: you were at that stadium. I was actually at that game,
Speaker 8: and it was irritating because we were driving and we
Speaker 8: were going to drive home that night after the game,
Speaker 8: and as you know, the game got delayed wite a while.
Speaker 8: Wyoming wanted to little side story on this, and I
Speaker 8: was down there on the field while they were talking.
Speaker 8: They wanted to re or finish the game the next day,
Speaker 8: and urban Meyer was having none of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was like, no, we're finishing this game tonight.
Speaker 8: Figure it out. And they did, and then they got
Speaker 8: out of town. How would that have even worked? Fans
Speaker 8: would have to find like a motel, and especially in Laramie.
Speaker 1: How long is that drive? Oh gosh, Porter, is it
Speaker 1: four and a half hours? Feels like it's longer than
Speaker 1: maybe five. It's not as far as Denver. It's not
Speaker 1: as far as Denver. Oh, you know, you're right, it
Speaker 1: is more than that. I think it's like five or
Speaker 1: six and it's and it's lovely scenery. Eighteen hours an
Speaker 1: eighteen hours riot that one porter. I need you to
Speaker 1: look up how far away Denver is and how far
Speaker 1: Laramie is. Laramie's like five and a half six hours,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought, Okay, but but Denver's not eighteen hours.
Speaker 2: How far away is Denver.
Speaker 1: It's only a couple more hours from Laramie. It's due
Speaker 1: so way further.
Speaker 8: To look it up our ESPN's and you can also
Speaker 8: you can also drive through the mountains if it's summertime.
Speaker 2: Yes you can.
Speaker 1: And it's very pretty our ESPN stats and info apart
Speaker 1: closer to eight on Denver. I used to live in Aspen.
Speaker 1: I know where, I know where it is. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a new thing. When did you live in Aspen?
Speaker 8: When I first started, I lived in Glenwood Springs, which
Speaker 8: is about twenty miles from after.
Speaker 1: That's not Aspen. It's you want to sound cool, I said,
Speaker 1: Glenwood Springs. Aspen is a point of reference. You wanted
Speaker 1: to sound cool that you lived. I was very close
Speaker 1: to ass It's like there, there's only eight hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh interesting, not that far anyway? All right, so terrible
Speaker 1: will you? Oh wait, so of course you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: send michel Itch to Laramie.
Speaker 2: You're not going.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think we're even send anybody. You don't
Speaker 1: send anything. You won't send anybody. No, we'll cover it
Speaker 1: off TV. We're not your cover that game. What's the
Speaker 1: point of covering that game? Because it's U tough football, Dave,
Speaker 1: and people care about it. We don't travel that much
Speaker 1: until postseason. Yeah, but Mikolitch, you would want to go
Speaker 1: to Laramie. I don't think so. You will fly Fish.
Speaker 1: We may want to do the opener at UCLA. Well,
Speaker 1: And you know what, you're not wrong about the non
Speaker 1: con And I am one this is an unpopular opinion.
Speaker 1: When these games go away, I'm gonna be fine with
Speaker 1: it now that it's not awesome for a program like
Speaker 1: cal Poly. He's gonna come up here and collect a
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars check or whatever it is to
Speaker 1: go fund their ad, you know, athletic department. And I
Speaker 1: feel bad for the schools that actually need these games
Speaker 1: to fund their athletic department, but they just don't do
Speaker 1: anything for me. And I don't think it's good for
Speaker 1: the bigger programs to potentially lose players to injury and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But the UCLA opener, it's not bad, no,
Speaker 1: because at least it's a Big ten team.
Speaker 2: They were down last year.
Speaker 1: They lose their quarterback, it was a first year coach,
Speaker 1: and look, UCLA should be good every year. I say
Speaker 1: the same thing about Cal football. You should be good
Speaker 1: every year you're in that recruiting footprint. I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be, but you could do worse as
Speaker 1: an opener than the Rose Bowl against UCRE.
Speaker 8: Anytime you're power four versus power four, that's a good thing.
Speaker 8: I have absolutely no problem with that. By the way,
Speaker 8: it'll be toasty down there in August for sure, especially
Speaker 8: up there in that air.
Speaker 1: The neighborhood.
Speaker 8: BYU's kind of got the same situation, although they open
Speaker 8: with Portland State, as you know, But then I believe
Speaker 8: it's Stanford right after that, so that's not quite so bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same kind of thing. That's just
Speaker 1: the opposite of Utah.
Speaker 8: Utah goes, you know, power four versus power four, and
Speaker 8: then a you know, less than mid major, and b
Speaker 8: WU does just the opposite. So but BYU had Stanford
Speaker 8: a home too, so that's a little bit better. They
Speaker 8: can soften the blow of their fans sitting through Portland
Speaker 8: State knowing that the next week they get the Stanford
Speaker 8: at their place.
Speaker 1: And then after Stanford they have a buye b Yu
Speaker 1: has an early early, then at East Carolina and then
Speaker 1: at Colorado. You know what, Porter, I'm a team player.
Speaker 1: Since you're going to Laramie, I agree that I will
Speaker 1: go to Pasadena. Okay, you may not. But because you're
Speaker 1: going to laram Me, I'll go to Pasadena. I'll golf
Speaker 1: for a week. Game, we'll hang out. Come on down,
Speaker 1: let's play golf. Let's do it. I like it, so
Speaker 1: Utah and BYU schedule release, let me kick the tires
Speaker 1: with you on a couple of other things with a
Speaker 1: few minutes left. From the perspective of interest in pro basketball,
Speaker 1: because the data is in and it doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: you could work for the NBA and spin it all
Speaker 1: you want. Numbers are down, ratings are down. Do you
Speaker 1: think this historic week changes that at all? Do you
Speaker 1: think people will be more tuned into pro basketball as
Speaker 1: a result of what we've seen over the past seventy
Speaker 1: two hours.
Speaker 8: I don't know if the move itself does, but I
Speaker 8: think the byproduct of that, as soon as Lucas suits
Speaker 8: up for the Lakers, and by the way, against the Jazz.
Speaker 1: Is a rumor that lucas first game against the Lakers
Speaker 1: before the Lakers will be against the Jazz.
Speaker 8: That's right, So I can't even Well, now, if you're
Speaker 8: the network, you're probably thinking, oh, great, why does this
Speaker 8: have to be Why couldn't it have been okay see
Speaker 8: or even better Dallas? But because the Jazz have already
Speaker 8: had a game taken off national TV because of the situation,
Speaker 8: they're in second worst.
Speaker 1: Team in the league, So I can I will.
Speaker 8: I would definitely see a little bit of a boost
Speaker 8: once Luca gets in that Laker uniform.
Speaker 1: And yes, that's a byproduct of the trade.
Speaker 8: I don't know if the trade itself means, oh, everybody's
Speaker 8: gonna start watching the NBA, but I think it might
Speaker 8: give the Lakers a little bit of a kick. But
Speaker 8: aren't the Lakers one of those teams, like you know,
Speaker 8: the Dallas Cowboys that no matter how good or bad
Speaker 8: they are, they still have massive viewership.
Speaker 1: So but I agree, I think there'll be a kick.
Speaker 8: And I'm guessing that the network executives guys at TNT
Speaker 8: and ESPN or look at the schedule right now and
Speaker 8: trying to figure out, Okay, when can we get Luca.
Speaker 1: And Lebron together on TV?
Speaker 8: Can you imagine know if it is the first game
Speaker 8: against the Lakers is down there, so and then they
Speaker 8: play him again up here right the very next game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8: So I don't know what the network thinking would be
Speaker 8: when that's your opponent. They're probably not thrilled. It's the Jazz,
Speaker 8: I'm sure they not. And he flexed this game, please,
Speaker 8: and who knows what's gonna happen? Think about the last
Speaker 8: Kobe game. Who was it against? It was against the Jazz,
Speaker 8: and he's destroyed them.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what if everyone watched it, but it's
Speaker 1: revisionist history. He didn't really destroy them. They just decide
Speaker 1: like and Hayward has talked about this because I was
Speaker 1: probably yes, I was covering the game. In fact, we'll
Speaker 1: ask our ESPN Stats and Info department. Look up one
Speaker 1: more thing. Look up Kobe's last game against the Jazz,
Speaker 1: and you have like seventy something or some absurd I
Speaker 1: think he took sixty one shots and I was watching
Speaker 1: it that I was watching over Britton Johnson because for
Speaker 1: people to remember the Jazz actually that year had a
Speaker 1: chance to make the playoffs, and then I think they
Speaker 1: needed Houston to lose. Houston won, then the Jazz were
Speaker 1: out of it. So then it became it was not
Speaker 1: Jermaine to anything exciting for the Jazz. They did not
Speaker 1: need to win, and it just became this thing. And
Speaker 1: early on Britain actually pointed this out. He's like, it
Speaker 1: looks like they're just feeding Kobe and letting him shoot
Speaker 1: every time to see what they can do, because this
Speaker 1: is his final game. And so the narrative became Kobe
Speaker 1: had this miraculous last game against the Jazz, and it
Speaker 1: was like, no, it was a glorified it was a
Speaker 1: glorified twenty four hour fitness scrimmage where they let him
Speaker 1: shoot every time. I want to say, he took sixty
Speaker 1: shots to score, like sixty two points.
Speaker 5: He took fifty shots, but twenty one of them or
Speaker 5: from downtown now he shot twenty two total. He was
Speaker 5: twenty two pin fifty. He almost shot forty fifty percent.
Speaker 1: He scored sixty Yeah, sixty points, Okay, sixty points on
Speaker 1: fifty shots.
Speaker 8: Okay, I understand what you're saying. But I mean history
Speaker 8: won't always look at it that way. Well, all I'm
Speaker 8: telling you is you're going to take two of the
Speaker 8: iconic Laker games in the last decade in their bol
Speaker 8: against the Jazz. Yeah, I'm sure the NBA is not
Speaker 8: really about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't be. But tell me what's going to watch?
Speaker 1: Because you're always asking me this on five questions or
Speaker 1: talking jazz. What do because you're Dave fox Man of
Speaker 1: the people. You're out and about in the community, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure when people see you at the ward or
Speaker 1: just around they want to ask you about the jazz.
Speaker 2: What they what do they say about this currency?
Speaker 8: Well, the first, the first thing you tend to get
Speaker 8: a lot of is you'd be surprised how people don't
Speaker 8: completely understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean to a degree, you know, why are they
Speaker 1: so bad?
Speaker 8: And then your first answer, your answer has to be, well,
Speaker 8: it's kind of by design, it's part of the plan.
Speaker 8: This is you know, And like last night, I'm watching
Speaker 8: this game with Timmy and you know, Timmy is he
Speaker 8: is hardcore jazz as they come. And I keep saying, Timmy,
Speaker 8: in the grand scheme of things, this is not a
Speaker 8: game you want to win. This goes again. If you're
Speaker 8: playing Washington and you're playing New Orleans although they got
Speaker 8: swept by them, or Charlotte, you can go ahead and
Speaker 8: win one of those if you have to, because that
Speaker 8: that that's more acceptable. You can't win a game against
Speaker 8: a team that is much better than you are if
Speaker 8: you're fighting to get at the top of that lottery mix,
Speaker 8: you just can't do it. And I've had this theory
Speaker 8: for a long time that the Jazz tend to play
Speaker 8: everyone when they play good teams because there's a chance
Speaker 8: they're not going to win anyone. And then when they
Speaker 8: play crappy teams, they start to wrest a lot of
Speaker 8: people or they're injured. Have you noticed that that's that's
Speaker 8: happened a lot. Just please don't say crappy on the air.
Speaker 8: This is a family friend of the show poopy Teams.
Speaker 8: That's even worse. I will tell you, what did you
Speaker 8: watch the end of the game last night?
Speaker 1: I watched every second. It was so comical with the
Speaker 1: way they closed. I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but
Speaker 1: with the way they closed, I was like, huh, the
Speaker 1: Clarkson turnover might have been so Clarkson turnover and go
Speaker 1: watch the replay. He let Tyrese Haliburton walk into a three.
Speaker 1: He just kind of went like this. Haliburt had ten
Speaker 1: ten feet. Kianta gets the ball, puts it through his
Speaker 1: legs three times, take takes a step back three with
Speaker 1: like sixteen seconds left on the shot clock, and Lowry
Speaker 1: Market in a ninety percent free throw shooter, misses two
Speaker 1: free throwslieve like my intent, Lesta is like, huh, maybe
Speaker 1: that are on board. Luca has been traded to the Lakers.
Speaker 1: The Jazz clearly are trying to lose back. Maybe this
Speaker 1: whole thing is maybe there's a maybe Adam Silver is
Speaker 1: the Wizard.
Speaker 2: Of Oz and we just we're not aware of it,
Speaker 2: whether or not.
Speaker 8: Okay, I think in that notwithstanding, it was the perfect
Speaker 8: formula last night, and we all agree with this play great,
Speaker 8: keep the fans in their seats, you know, stay motivated
Speaker 8: to the last second, and then lose. I cannot tell
Speaker 8: people enough, and I've got some coworkers that don't get this.
Speaker 1: This is an important year for that draft.
Speaker 8: It could change the shape of this franchise, sort of
Speaker 8: like Luca's going to change the shape of the Lakers franchise.
Speaker 8: Not maybe not so much this year, but for the
Speaker 8: next ten years. That's the situation that jazz are in.
Speaker 8: That's the difference between getting the first pick and anything else.
Speaker 8: So they've got to be all in on this. And
Speaker 8: by the way, you only really have to finish in
Speaker 8: the bottom three. They're all the same odds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the tough part about these conversations
Speaker 1: is we're I'm not used to this, yeah, in Saul Lake,
Speaker 1: and so when you because I really believe and there's
Speaker 1: always this debate when you're doing a sportstock radio show,
Speaker 1: like the listeners who are all about the jazz and
Speaker 1: love the data and are just dialed in and it's
Speaker 1: like a big hobby of theirs. They know the deal,
Speaker 1: and you're not really doing the show for them anyway,
Speaker 1: because they're probably locked in on doing their own thing.
Speaker 1: But the majority people who listen to sportstock radio don't
Speaker 1: know about flattened lottery odds. They don't know about the
Speaker 1: landscape of the NBA as far as what you have
Speaker 1: to do to build a team in a place like this,
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of just average sports
Speaker 1: fans they really have always loved the jazz, are genuinely confused.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait a second, we're usually at least good,
Speaker 1: and we're not even close to that right now. Circling
Speaker 1: back to what you had just asked me about, what
Speaker 1: do people say?
Speaker 8: That's what you get a lot of and you try
Speaker 8: to educate them on it, and a lot of them
Speaker 8: just they either don't get it or they don't want
Speaker 8: to get it. But this is what they have to
Speaker 8: go through and we'll see where it all goes. Now,
Speaker 8: if they go through all this and that up with
Speaker 8: a third or fourth pick, we'll be a little frustrated.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Super Bowl Week brings me in a lot
Speaker 1: of very exciting media opportunities. Andy Reid was asked for
Speaker 1: his favorite trilogy today as far as books go, and
Speaker 1: he said, the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl
Speaker 1: of Great Price. So me and Andy your buds and
Speaker 1: we have the same previous are on par Yeah, indeed,
Speaker 1: so some fun stuff there. But before I set you loose, yep,
Speaker 1: do you think the Eagles can actually do this? Or
Speaker 1: are we gonna be sitting there in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: watching the Chiefs figure it out again winning their third string.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm an NFC East guy because of the
Speaker 8: Dallas Cowboys, so that I can't even think about the
Speaker 8: Eagles winning that game.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but let me take that my heart out of
Speaker 1: it and think logically.
Speaker 8: I I think we posed this question yesterday in Five
Speaker 8: Questions with Spence, and the way I posed it.
Speaker 1: To you was, can you really in good conscience pick
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs?
Speaker 8: And I don't think there's any way they've First of all,
Speaker 8: they so many weird things always happen in their favor
Speaker 8: and I don't think that's going away anytime soon.
Speaker 1: And they're just a really good team. So there you go.
Speaker 1: And they've got fifteen under center, which probably is the
Speaker 1: bottom line, no question. Oh and Taylor Swift's a fan?
Speaker 2: Are you swifty?
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: Are you anti? I'm not anti?
Speaker 4: I'm you know.
Speaker 1: I bet there's a prop bet Taylor Swift or say
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley total carries? What do we see more of
Speaker 1: her on camera? Or his total carry? You can bet
Speaker 1: on anything these days, but as I say, just don't
Speaker 1: do it. But David, it's great to see it there
Speaker 1: last night. We'll chat soon. Thanks Porter Dave fox Ku
Speaker 1: TV Five Questions with Spence last night to be on
Speaker 1: there again. Taka Jazz coming up in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Unseasonably warm, so much according to our GUYE Chase over
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Speaker 1: history of the state of Utah. Got up to sixty
Speaker 1: eight degrees earlier today. It will not last. Cold and
Speaker 1: snow and rain coming up this weekend. But good to
Speaker 1: have you guys with us on this Tuesday afternoon. We've
Speaker 1: had a fun show. We've had a busy, busy show.
Speaker 1: The Utah Hockey Club welcomes in the Philadelphia Flyers tonight.
Speaker 1: It is your final chance to pretend to vote for
Speaker 1: the name for the Utah Hockey Club. Utah Hockey Club,
Speaker 1: Utah Mammoth, and the utahle Laws are your three options.
Speaker 1: Utah State is up in Laramie taking on Wyoming and
Speaker 1: college basketball, trying to get back to their winning ways
Speaker 1: after getting smoked pretty good by New Mexico and BYU.
Speaker 1: Welcomes in number twenty Arizona to the Marriot Center tonight.
Speaker 1: That's a nine o'clock tip can be seen on ESPN.
Speaker 1: BYU is actually a slight favorite to win that game.
Speaker 1: BYU has won four straight basketball games. Utah will be
Speaker 1: back in action. Coming up tomorrow at home against Colorado.
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Speaker 1: to bring in Ryles coming up the Voice of the Ute.
Speaker 1: So all the latest on Utah basketball, the latest on
Speaker 1: the Utah schedule release. Tim McMahon joined us earlier today,
Speaker 1: very busy, seventy two hours for our guy. Reacting to
Speaker 1: the Luka Doncic trade, the Jazz involved in that Jazz
Speaker 1: involved in a trade with the La Clippers that sent
Speaker 1: Drew you Banks and Patty Mills on their way. A
Speaker 1: lot of reports that the Jazz are shopping John Collins
Speaker 1: pretty aggressively. And there's a rumor that has surfaced today
Speaker 1: that Kevin Durant might be going back to the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors. Sports Illustrated reported yesterday that there's an increasing belief.
Speaker 1: This is according to Chris Mannix, friend of the show,
Speaker 1: From time to time, increasing belief among executives in the
Speaker 1: NBA that a Phoenix can't land Jimmy Butler, then they're
Speaker 1: going to engage on a Kevin Durant deal and potentially
Speaker 1: send Durant back to Golden State to play with Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: which will only feed into conspiracy. Theorists that believe pro
Speaker 1: basketball is basically WWE hard argue with that. The Jazz
Speaker 1: are saying Colin Sexton, Jalen Hooch, Chafino, Cody Williams, and PJ.
Speaker 1: Tucker out tomorrow against Golden State. Larry Markinen is questionable.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Steph Curry will be in town as the Jazz
Speaker 1: will be back in action tomorrow. But big news of
Speaker 1: the day today, the Utah schedule has been released. Utah
Speaker 1: football schedule has been released, The Big twelve football schedule
Speaker 1: has been released, and you know, trying to analyze who
Speaker 1: has the harder schedule, who has the easier schedule. Utah
Speaker 1: BYU on February the fourth is an exercise in futility.
Speaker 1: But the one storyline that seems to have been getting
Speaker 1: tractioned today is October the eighteenth is the date for
Speaker 1: Utah BYU down at Lavelle Edwards Stadium in Provo. Of course,
Speaker 1: these two teams met last year in a classic up
Speaker 1: this way, and every single year that game is very entertaining,
Speaker 1: very exciting, usually very close, and of course brings a
Speaker 1: lot of attention both locally and nationally. The last time
Speaker 1: Utah and BYU football played in October was nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of topically the big thing that's come
Speaker 1: out of the schedule release for today in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: with both the BYU and.
Speaker 2: The Utah football side of it.
Speaker 1: If you're just hopping in your car and getting that
Speaker 1: commute home started on a Tuesday, the utes will open
Speaker 1: up in Pasadena at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. They'll
Speaker 1: come back home for the home opener on September the sixth,
Speaker 1: which is cal Poly, and then a week later they
Speaker 1: head up to Laramie to take off on Wyoming. This
Speaker 1: is a game, according to Ryle's our guy, that has
Speaker 1: been scheduled for about a decade.
Speaker 2: So I know there are a lot of.
Speaker 1: People upset that that's been scheduled, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: been kind of that way for a long time.
Speaker 2: For instance, BYU was.
Speaker 1: On the road to East Carolina and that is a
Speaker 1: contractual obligation that BYU has the East Carolina, So I
Speaker 1: guess that's just kind of make good the Big Twelve
Speaker 1: opener for the utes will be Texas Tech on September
Speaker 1: the twentieth. Here in Salt Lake they'll hit the road
Speaker 1: to go to Morgantown and take on West Virginia. After
Speaker 1: that they get a bye, and then it's Arizona State
Speaker 1: at home. A tough stretch. After the trip to Morgantown,
Speaker 1: Arizona State at home BYU on the road, Colorado rolls
Speaker 1: into Salt Lake City on October the twenty fifth, and
Speaker 1: then it's Cincinnati and then they'll finish at Baylor in
Speaker 1: Waco home against k State. Then on the road in
Speaker 1: Lawrence to take on Kansas. So as far as your
Speaker 1: options as a Big twelve member, not as exciting oftentimes
Speaker 1: as your options were as a member of the twelve.
Speaker 1: But Arizona State, Colorado and k State at home, that's
Speaker 1: not bad. That's not You could do a lot worse
Speaker 1: than that. You know, three of the teams that were
Speaker 1: in the mix to win the thing a year ago.
Speaker 1: One of the teams that actually did in Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Here in Salt Lake City, your road trip options maybe
Speaker 1: not great. I mean, Opening day Pasadena in August will
Speaker 1: be nice and warm. If you want to play little
Speaker 1: golf Laramie for Utah, Wyoming. Then it's Morgantown, West Virginia
Speaker 1: Provo for BYU. If that's not really a road trip,
Speaker 1: but head on down if you'd like, then it's Waco
Speaker 1: and Lawrence, Kansas as your potential road trip options for
Speaker 1: Utah football as that schedule has been released now. For
Speaker 1: the gen x yout fan perspective of this porter, people
Speaker 1: upset the Utah and BYU football play in October the eighteenth.
Speaker 1: But while I let you finish your vape and you're
Speaker 1: streaming on Twitch playing World of Warcraft, what's the take
Speaker 1: on Utah BYU October eighteenth?
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, blow out the smoke.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 5: I get why folks want it played at a certain time.
Speaker 5: I get the I get the reasons for wanting it
Speaker 5: rivalry week, and I agree with them. I just don't
Speaker 5: think it's a huge deal. I'm glad the game is
Speaker 5: getting played. I will say, if to if I can
Speaker 5: play Devil's Advocate, maybe the Big twelve is like telling
Speaker 5: Utah and BYU, Hey, guys, we know it's a rivalry.
Speaker 5: We know it's a big deal. You guys need to
Speaker 5: act like adults when you're playing that game. Maybe that's
Speaker 5: maybe that's the angle the Big Twelve is telling BYU
Speaker 5: and Utah.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, last couple of times it's gotten a
Speaker 1: little out there loose.
Speaker 2: Did he get loose?
Speaker 5: Your athletic directors are you know, having a hell of
Speaker 5: a time on the at the end of the game.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I mean, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, maybe,
Speaker 5: if if the rivalry game is is making adults act
Speaker 5: in certain ways, the Big Twelve is playing parent.
Speaker 1: Let me finished this tweet at Lars and ESPN reports
Speaker 1: that Big Twelve moves BYU Utah to October the eighteenth
Speaker 1: due to malfeasans from at Mark Harlan.
Speaker 5: A d you're gonna you're gonna address Mark Can, I
Speaker 5: had send on a tweet at him.
Speaker 2: Well, that essentially is what you just said.
Speaker 5: I was including a particular outburst from said athletic director.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually part of it.
Speaker 5: I just I'm looking for reasons why the Big Twelve
Speaker 5: wouldn't schedule it late in the year or on a
Speaker 5: feature weekend. Maybe the answer is they want October eighteenth
Speaker 5: to be a feature weekend because they're there are other
Speaker 5: scheduled games elsewhere. I don't really know, just kind of
Speaker 5: looking for Big Twelve excuses.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I don't know about you, Porter, but
Speaker 1: I was excited about being in the Big Twelve, but
Speaker 1: today I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not either man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that game has been stolen from
Speaker 1: us Utah YU, those of us that wanted it in November.
Speaker 2: That's just the way I feel. Give me a break, Spense,
Speaker 2: well you will look.
Speaker 1: Bottom line is this the Big Twelve decided to put
Speaker 1: Arizona Arizona State final week of the season. But that
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess how it depends on how you
Speaker 1: define rivalries. Kansas Cay State, but Utah BYU in my opinion,
Speaker 1: best rivalry in this conference. And the only real concern
Speaker 1: here is it just as another indicator of powerbrokers and
Speaker 1: decision makers in college football that at times to me,
Speaker 1: are pretty tone deaf as far as what makes this
Speaker 1: sport special for the people that actually pay to go
Speaker 1: to games, the people that actually watch on TV, the
Speaker 1: people are buying food and BEV and ticket rip and
Speaker 1: merch and everything, And in my opinion, rivalries are among,
Speaker 1: if not the number one thing that makes this sport
Speaker 1: different than pro football, and as college essentially continues to
Speaker 1: move in the direction that they've already moved into, which
Speaker 1: is a pro model. You got to find the things
Speaker 1: that make this thing different and special and lean into them.
Speaker 1: That's why I believe college football should be played on
Speaker 1: college football campuses. And that includes, in my opinion, CFP games,
Speaker 1: college football playoff games. Maybe besides the final game of
Speaker 1: the year. You make that your super Bowl, but quarterfinals
Speaker 1: semi file to play it on campuses, okay. And when
Speaker 1: it comes to the rivalry dynamic and how important these
Speaker 1: games are to the ecosystem of the sport, I just
Speaker 1: think they're better placement for a game like Utah BYU
Speaker 1: than October the eighteenth, which has not happened since nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven.
Speaker 2: That's the last year of Utah and BYU played football
Speaker 2: in October.
Speaker 1: Is it the end of the world. It is very
Speaker 1: much not. But it is February the fourth, and you
Speaker 1: guys want college football. So we're creating topics. There's the truth,
Speaker 1: all right. We'll bring in Bill here, Arousalis stop by,
Speaker 1: the Voice of the Utes, will stop by, and we'll
Speaker 1: get his take on the timing of Utah BYU. We'll
Speaker 1: talk a little Utah football and we'll kind of unpack
Speaker 1: this schedule. Of course, Bill is a big fan of
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and Super Bowl fifty nine is
Speaker 1: right around the corner with the Chiefs and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: You can hear that game, by the way, on our
Speaker 1: radio station. We're gonna have ten hours of coverage pregame
Speaker 1: than the game then post game for Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: nine in the big easy between the Chiefs and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: That line has not moved. Man, it is wild to me.
Speaker 1: We usually see a bevy of movement for Super Bowl
Speaker 1: game lines. The Chiefs as we sit here today, they're
Speaker 1: still a one point five point favorite. All right, warm
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Speaker 1: A lot of these Kevin Durant to the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors rumors starting to make their rounds Kevin Durant is
Speaker 1: being held out of the Phoenix Suns game tonight's I
Speaker 1: don't know if that means anything. Golden State apparently was
Speaker 1: informed by Jimmy Butler's camp that he will not sign
Speaker 1: an extension with them, and so, according to Chris A. Mannix,
Speaker 1: who's a very plugged and NBA rider, Golden State may
Speaker 1: turn their attention by trying to grab Kevin Durant from
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. So I don't know, man, this player
Speaker 1: empowerment thing might be disintegrating right before eyes. If Luka Doncis,
Speaker 1: can you get traded? Anybody can get traded, certainly at
Speaker 1: the age of twenty five. A fun night of college
Speaker 1: basketball tonight, looking for something to do with no Jazz basketball.
Speaker 1: The Jazz back in action coming up tomorrow, hopefully against
Speaker 1: Stephen Curry, and who knows, maybe Kevin Durant. I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's not on the roster as him now, the Jazz
Speaker 1: will be back in action tomorrow. NBA tonight with a
Speaker 1: somewhat busy slate. TNT will have a double dip. Celtics
Speaker 1: Calves will be their early game, and then they are
Speaker 1: going to have the Lakers and the Clippers.
Speaker 2: No Luka Doncic for that game.
Speaker 1: The rumor is Luka Dacic may make his Lakers debut
Speaker 1: against the Utah Jazz, as the Lakers have a couple
Speaker 1: of games against the Jazz coming up. One game is
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and then they return home the Jazz too.
Speaker 1: So next week, Monday, February the tenth, the Lakers host
Speaker 1: the Jazz, and then on Wednesday, February the twelfth, the
Speaker 1: Lakers are in Salt Lake to play the Jazz. They've
Speaker 1: got the clips tonight. Then it's going to be Golden
Speaker 1: State and then Indiana, But the rumors are Luca's not
Speaker 1: going to be available. He hasn't played, i think, for
Speaker 1: seventeen games until next week. We might luck into a
Speaker 1: little Luca debut against the Jazz coming up next week,
Speaker 1: but only time will tell. BYU welcomes in Arizona tonight
Speaker 1: to the Marriage Center. BYU is now a three point
Speaker 1: five point favorite over the number twenty team in the country, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Arizona has not been great on the road, maybe that's
Speaker 1: why and BYU's one four straight games. Utah State is
Speaker 1: up in Laramie to take on Wyoming after losing to
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Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club at action tonight taking on the Philadelphia Flyers.
Speaker 1: It's your last chance to pretend to vote for the
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Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: What do you find yourself doing on a Tuesday night
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of local action going on.
Speaker 5: It's warm outside, but it's like a nice outside. It's
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Speaker 1: what comes our way On a Wednesday edition of the show.
Speaker 5: Halfway through the work week, Spence, We'll start it off
Speaker 5: with Neil Smith behind the glass, of course, talking about
Speaker 5: the latest in the National Hockey League in the Utah
Speaker 5: Hockey Club. Behind the glass each and every week with
Speaker 5: our friend Neil Smith, Chadwick stops by the program talking
Speaker 5: some NFL Draft talking of course Big twelve schedule release
Speaker 5: and of course Super Bowl on the program. And then
Speaker 5: on the eve of the NBA trade deadline, Zach Harper,
Speaker 5: Sarah Todd talking jazz and NBA basketball.
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