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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, how you doing. I hope you're doing well today.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on in, let's talk. Hey. I talk about and

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<v Speaker 2>present data and information on energy healing. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>reiki teacher. I have been for over twenty years. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't teach anymore. I use it on friends and myself

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part. And I have been focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>and this has been going on for god thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on the pyramid tech that the Maya has developed,

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<v Speaker 2>probably related to a mother culture. We can identify it

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps as Lemoria or Atlantis, or even a previous epoch

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<v Speaker 2>where earth energy, gravity, tolleric fields whatever were developed and

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<v Speaker 2>utilized over what we use today, which is very very

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<v Speaker 2>toxic nuclear energy and other forms of well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thermonuclear kind of stuff, pretty toxic. But it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me that this dialogue, these programs are falling

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<v Speaker 2>in line with a growing understanding that we are energetic beings.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I get acupuncture once a month, and these are

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<v Speaker 2>needles that go into what they call the Meridian, the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies energy super Highway. But we've presented the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the Earth, our planet, has its own super highway known

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<v Speaker 2>as ley lines or earth meridians that crisscross in specific areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's a fascinating notion is that places like the

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<v Speaker 2>Giza Plateau where the great Pyramids are, TiO Tiva Kan

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<v Speaker 2>and Mexico and a variety of other locations that are

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<v Speaker 2>spread out also sit on top of lay lines. And

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<v Speaker 2>how they how they our ancestors understood this is really

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<v Speaker 2>the question. Did they naturally seek out these locations in

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<v Speaker 2>place their pyramids and temples and buildings on top of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Were they aware? It does appear that they were aware

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<v Speaker 2>of these signatures, these energetic signatures that bubbled up from

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<v Speaker 2>the ground and were captured in the body of pyramids,

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<v Speaker 2>transmuted and enhanced in certain ways, and then distributed. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know exactly how they were distributed. If we

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<v Speaker 2>look to more modern scientists, people like Nikolai Tesla, he

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to understand that this natural rhythmatic earth energy could

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<v Speaker 2>be tapped and he had plans to do this and

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<v Speaker 2>provide free energy. His Wardencliffe Tower, which was built in

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<v Speaker 2>New York that never got off the ground, was a

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<v Speaker 2>capture device and trans transmutation device which would provide free

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<v Speaker 2>energy to provide to power cars, submarines, airplanes, and who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what else could be powered by this stef And

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<v Speaker 2>this is and of course the story goes it was

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<v Speaker 2>shut down because his investors didn't want to have free energy.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted a Westinghouse, who was one of his big investors,

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<v Speaker 2>discovered this and he thought, I can't make any money

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<v Speaker 2>if we pump out free energy. So he was that

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<v Speaker 2>Warncliffe machine. That generating tower was shut down. But when

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<v Speaker 2>we begin looking at nature from an energetic point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>and we devise and we have technology that can capture

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<v Speaker 2>like chakras and have devices that can actually see the energy,

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<v Speaker 2>then we can begin understanding how important it is to

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<v Speaker 2>stay well, to make sure that our environment is not polluted,

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't cut down all the trees, because are

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<v Speaker 2>huge trees. Our forests are the lungs of our world.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is all critical stuff and it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>be aware of energy. So my whole thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>I think that our and we hear this from people

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<v Speaker 2>like Christopher Dunn, We hear it from a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard it a little bit recently from Scott Walter

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<v Speaker 2>that the Templars found technology and also Michael's John Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Greer in his interview discovered that the earlier civilizations developed

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<v Speaker 2>temples that not only captured earth ancient earth energy, but

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<v Speaker 2>also distributed it in crops in animal husbandry, so you

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<v Speaker 2>had healthy animals and also the humans who are interacted

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<v Speaker 2>with those temples and places of residence. Which makes us think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've talked a little bit about this, that the

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<v Speaker 2>earlier epochs, earlier civilizations that we really don't know about prehistory,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the late Dynatic, early Dynastics and early civilizations understood it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were aware of the importance of tu lurk energy,

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<v Speaker 2>the emissions that come from the Earth, and they built

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<v Speaker 2>their dwellings on top of these places. Now, doctor Lydia

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<v Speaker 2>de Leong has been very forthright about standing in rooms

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<v Speaker 2>that are pumping this energy out and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't stay more than an hour or two or

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise it becomes a problem. And it's funny she said

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<v Speaker 2>that because I've been to Egypt at the Hathorp Temple,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Hathorp Temple sits on a some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an energy filled and if you stand in certain of

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<v Speaker 2>these smaller rooms too long makes it throws you off.

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<v Speaker 2>It throws your equilibrium off, which means that there's some

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<v Speaker 2>form of energy emission coming out of those floors. That

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty strong stuff. Now, I want to remind you

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<v Speaker 2>that we do have a tour coming up in December.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our Guatemala to Our Sacred Pyramid Tour December first

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<v Speaker 2>through the twelfth, and doctor Lydia will be with us.

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<v Speaker 2>And unlike Mexico where you can't really climb pyramids anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>in Guatemala, we get to climb not only the Lost

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<v Speaker 2>World Pyramid at t Call, but the whole trip is

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<v Speaker 2>about energy and we're about half full. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>more information on that tour, go to Earth Ancients dot

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<v Speaker 2>com forward slash Tours check that out. Because not only

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to be in t Call, northern Guatemala,

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually going to get a chance to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Almador perhaps see doctor Richard Hanson and climb those pyramids

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<v Speaker 2>as well. And those are very very active pyramids. So

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to do what our ancestors did, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not only interact with pyramids, but climb them, meditate

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and intent on healing, on prosperity and on willness.

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<v Speaker 2>As our forefathers, as our ancestors did thousands and thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago. So today our program is on interacting

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<v Speaker 2>with nature and the program is called Sacred Forest Bathing

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<v Speaker 2>the Healing Power of Ancient Trees and wild Places. And

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<v Speaker 2>my guest is author Ellen D. Davidson, and listen closely

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<v Speaker 2>to her interactions with not only trees, but with the

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<v Speaker 2>force in general and how powerful the healing can be

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<v Speaker 2>of body, mind, in spirit Earth. Ancients does a number

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<v Speaker 2>to live in northern California, and I say this all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. We're close to the Great Sequoiah Redwoods. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>close to John Muir Park, which is in Marin County.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over here in the Berkeley across the bay from

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco area, and I think we're blessed not only

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<v Speaker 2>for the environment, but it's just a sacred place. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always talking about getting out and being one with nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And today's program is something that kind of unique, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've hinted on it but haven't really talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it, which is called Forest Bathing. And the book

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about today is called Sacred Forest Bathing, The

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<v Speaker 2>Healing Power of Ancient Trees and Wild Places. And my

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<v Speaker 2>guest is Ellen D. Davidson. She goes by d and

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<v Speaker 2>this book not only is it remarkable because it talks

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<v Speaker 2>about these paths from illness to wellness, but also her

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<v Speaker 2>interconnection and connection to these ancient forests that are surrounding us.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few lefts, thank God. And what I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand in my somewhat intuitive focus on forest bathing is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Japanese have a kind of a term for

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<v Speaker 2>it too. I think probably if we look to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>this there's groups that are doing forest bathing that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they don't call it that. But I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>speaking with D today and it's great to have her

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<v Speaker 2>on the program. So D, welcome to Destiny. Great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about and give us a sense of entering the

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<v Speaker 2>sacredness of the forest area that you're in. And you

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<v Speaker 2>opened the book talking and telling us about illness. You

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<v Speaker 2>had illness just as I guess as a form of stress, right,

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<v Speaker 2>fibromyalgia isn't a comfortable condition to have. But talk about

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<v Speaker 2>where you were at the time prior to really integrating

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<v Speaker 2>with the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>After I had my first daughter, she was colicky and

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't sleep, and somehow, in the stress of all that,

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<v Speaker 1>my body forgot how to sleep. And then I started

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<v Speaker 1>into this whole cascade of symptoms that went into fibromyalgia

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<v Speaker 1>and chronic fatigue. I couldn't turn my neck. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of pain, and I tried everything. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to hypnosis, I went to psychiatrists. I tried some

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<v Speaker 1>of their drugs, but I lasted for about three days.

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<v Speaker 1>They made me sick, and I took herbs, I jeused,

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<v Speaker 1>I did massages, al chemical hypnotherapy, you name it. I

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<v Speaker 1>went through the gamut with a little bit of relief

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<v Speaker 1>here and there, but nothing really ever worked along the journey.

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<v Speaker 1>I did try Vajuriana Tibetan Buddhist meditation, and that helped.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't help me sleep, but it did calm me

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<v Speaker 1>down and I became I softened around the illness so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could live with it. But I still was

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<v Speaker 1>in pain and not sleeping. And I had been having

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<v Speaker 1>these dreams. I have an old growth redwood in my backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>and that tree had been visiting me in dreams for years.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really into my too. I'd been writing them

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<v Speaker 1>down for decades and analyzing them, trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>decode what they meant. But I always did it as

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<v Speaker 1>if everything in the dream represented a part of me,

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<v Speaker 1>and back then it just this is in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety about. Back then, it never even occurred to me

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<v Speaker 1>that a tree could be sentient or communicate with me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so far beyond my wildest imaginations. But now

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<v Speaker 1>looking back, that's what was happening. The tree was teaching

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<v Speaker 1>me at night. Then the next thing on my odyssey

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<v Speaker 1>that happened was during these meditations with a Vadriana Tibetan buddhislama.

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<v Speaker 1>He suggested we follow the juice, and what he meant

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<v Speaker 1>by that was that we be guided by what was

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<v Speaker 1>our heart's desire, what filled us with energy and joy.

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<v Speaker 1>So on my free days, and my youngest started had

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<v Speaker 1>just gone off to college, so there were more free days.

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<v Speaker 1>On my free days, I started playing a game with myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd wake up when I had slept for a few hours,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, I'd get up and I think, what do

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do today? Every day it was go

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<v Speaker 1>to the forest. It's just insane. I thought I'd want

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<v Speaker 1>to do other things, but I wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the forest. So I started doing it, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>no expectation that this was going to heal me. So profoundly.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we step into the holy cathedrals and sacred

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<v Speaker 1>spaces of these ancient forests that have been undisturbed for

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<v Speaker 1>millions of years, there is a palpable energy field. So

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<v Speaker 1>my little energy field that was disregulated and had been

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<v Speaker 1>for now decades, I would step into this field of wholeness,

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<v Speaker 1>that I was forest bathing. But and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, amazing. Yeah, you've said something that and you write

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<v Speaker 2>about this as well, that you believe that these trees

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<v Speaker 2>are sentient and which is a another way of saying

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<v Speaker 2>self aware or conscious? Can you give us some examples

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<v Speaker 2>of that position that thought, because I've always thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient trees, the ancient Sequoia redwoods, have some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sentient and that just them. I think all older trees,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it happened is I would usually I would go

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<v Speaker 1>that they do, They're not after us. But I'd go

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<v Speaker 1>hiking three four miles, I would sit. I have some

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<v Speaker 1>and I would sit at the trees. I guess summer

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, and this is at the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>spoke in my head and it said come back. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so clear and distinct that I thought she'd spoken,

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<v Speaker 1>and my eyes popped open and I said, did you

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<v Speaker 1>just say come back? No, not her. We looked around,

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<v Speaker 1>tree actually said in English, come back, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>my brain translated some kind of bioelectric communication, which science

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<v Speaker 1>now proves that trees do with each other. And I

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<v Speaker 1>and she told me that scientists have discovered that human

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's coming together. These experiences that just seemed

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<v Speaker 1>so fanciful to me when I was having them. But

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<v Speaker 1>I did come back, and I didn't know I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>coming back for seventeen years and continuing. But that's what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a relationship, just a love affair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's the name of the tree that you are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of I'm talking about summer tree, some summer trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this is once a couple of miles from your home.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, I have some old growth near my home,

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<v Speaker 1>but there aren't any remaining old growth forests. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to drive half an hour north or south to get

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<v Speaker 1>to because everything was logged. There's only really five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the old growth forests I redwoods left, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I do drive. I drive about forty minutes, well thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes maybe forty to get and then and the drive

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<v Speaker 1>is actually beautiful. I pass lagoons and forested hills in

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<v Speaker 1>the coastal cliffs. And then when I and that gives

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<v Speaker 1>me a chance to worry and think about everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>bothering me in life and whatever is whatever my you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So then by the time I get to the trail,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. They just become present and it's so beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and beauty. I think beauty's a goddess and she and

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<v Speaker 1>chances in the presence.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before we started that I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>have elf energy and you kind of jokingly say that

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<v Speaker 2>in the in your book. But I think there's something too,

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<v Speaker 2>what I would call the elementals, the elf beings, the fairies,

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<v Speaker 2>the gnomes that are unseen, but there's a presence there

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<v Speaker 2>when we go to these ancient forests. Can you talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about a sense of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I definitely feel the elemental intelligences. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm seeing little fairy well sometimes I can imagine them,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like I'm seeing little fairies and gnomes

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. What I'm experiencing is the intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>in the water, those crystal clear creeks definitely communicates something

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Or the air, the way the air caresses

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<v Speaker 1>my skin, and knowing, knowing or visions or ideas. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's an interesting book, the story is in Our Bones

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<v Speaker 1>by ospre oriole Lake, and she was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>almost all of our ancestors made decisions outside Western ancestors too,

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<v Speaker 1>not just not just Native American, but made decisions outside

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<v Speaker 1>by what we're known as council trees. And what I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed is the quality of my thoughts, what I think

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<v Speaker 1>the ideas I have are subtly different. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the influence of these intelligent natural energies, the nature

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<v Speaker 1>intelligences and so elementals. You know, they've been defined in

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<v Speaker 1>various traditions all around the world. Almost every culture has

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<v Speaker 1>some version of nature spirits, the air, the earth, the water,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why do you feel it's important that we walk

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<v Speaker 2>among the forests? I totally feel that it's healthy for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do it because I need a creative input.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to relax off, I need to get off

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<v Speaker 2>the internet and rest my nervous system. But what do

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<v Speaker 2>you say, why do you feel that it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>It is extremely soothing for our nervous systems. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a bioelectric field the forest puts out, plus the aerosols

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<v Speaker 1>trees put out to protect themselves from rot and insects

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<v Speaker 1>and even fires. The fight insides and terpenes. Those boost

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<v Speaker 1>our immune systems and help fight cancer and viruses and

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<v Speaker 1>colds and all kinds of things. So it's very healthy

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<v Speaker 1>and that's scientifically proven. It's we evolved outside in nature,

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<v Speaker 1>in different kinds of nature, but often in forests, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it makes us feel more at home. And Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>something I'm thinking about a lot lately, especially how fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>people are with AI is how disembodied it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>how it puts us on human beings created AI. And

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<v Speaker 1>now what's programmed into AI comes from human beings, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's recording whale songs, which is kind of fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing there. So we go along a trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>that we're already on, and it's I think we desperately

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<v Speaker 1>need to keep our connection to the more than human,

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, which is we're part of, and we only

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<v Speaker 1>are beginning to explore how we can relate and connect

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<v Speaker 1>on a deeper level. I do think the Earth is created,

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<v Speaker 1>is capable of restoration, miracles beyond our wildest imaginings, if

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<v Speaker 1>we just allow her to guide us more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you talk a lot about physical health in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, your own wellness Journey. What is it about

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<v Speaker 2>being in the forest with these ancient trees that is

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<v Speaker 2>neural receptive, neural positive, and how do you suggest that

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<v Speaker 2>that's healing? Because that's something that I pick up from

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<v Speaker 2>your book and that I think I get on my own. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here down south from where you are. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the big red woods, but we do have oak

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<v Speaker 2>and some new growth for uts. You know, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, on the east side of the bay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can feel it. But there's something even more

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<v Speaker 2>integrative about the redwoods sequoia redwoods talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually on the coastal redwoods the centervirons, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Sequoias are up in the sierras, and they're different from

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<v Speaker 1>each other. But Kin Well, you were saying the neuro biology,

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<v Speaker 1>I know from personal experience that my whole nervous system

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<v Speaker 1>was just rewired. I'm a happier, calmer person then in

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<v Speaker 1>every way. And there's a peacefulness in those trees that's palpable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what happens is when we spend time amongst them.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the oaks give a different energy,

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<v Speaker 1>but just as valuable to the druids. The word druid

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the word oak. Dru means oak, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>the wisdom of those trees. And they impart a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of solid stability. So every type of tree or forests

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<v Speaker 1>is going to give us something incredible, but it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the redwoods, their roots are very shallow and

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<v Speaker 1>they hold each other up. They are they're really shallow.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't go very far. Yeah, isn't that wild? Most trees,

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<v Speaker 1>like an oak tree, what you see above is the

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<v Speaker 1>same as what goes down below. Not so for the redwoods.

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<v Speaker 1>They have these shallow roots and yet they hold up

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<v Speaker 1>these big trees. Part of how they do it is

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<v Speaker 1>their roots are entwined and entangled, so they're very community

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So a three hundred foot sequoia redwood has a

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<v Speaker 2>shallow root base, but you're saying that their neighboring trees

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<v Speaker 2>are all kind of interconnected and that's how they support

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So. Their roots are very entangled and entwined together,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the old stumps they will keep to alive,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for hundreds of years. These trees can live the

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<v Speaker 1>semper environmens where I live, the coastal redwoods can live

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<v Speaker 1>two three thousand years. The sequoias can even live longer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know exactly how much longer, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might be four or five thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're very, very long lived. It's amazing. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that means to us as humans? If we

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<v Speaker 2>walk among these ancient ancient trees? Is there a period?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you write a little bit by where

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<v Speaker 2>we begin connecting. And if we do, you ask intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>for wisdom from them, how do you communicate with them?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I sit with them for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I let myself become open and spacious, and I also

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<v Speaker 1>I asked to receive the highest guidance for me and

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<v Speaker 1>my loved ones at that moment, or for the earth

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<v Speaker 1>or But so I'm not trying to control what comes

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<v Speaker 1>in so much as just to become very receptive. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to be receptive out there. There's a protection.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a feeling of psychic protection in the redwoods that

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<v Speaker 1>had a sense of this ancient wisdom and timeless awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I feel I feel connected to in my

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<v Speaker 1>to things like fabled Lemoria and MoU and to a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of when we could understand the birds and we

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<v Speaker 1>knew what the whale songs were singing, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a wholeness in my imagination. But it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like what I imagine is different with the

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<v Speaker 1>influence of the trees. It's almost like vibrationally or frequency wise,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure which, but it's almost like they hold

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<v Speaker 1>these old memories, an old, healthier, more intact ways of being.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still and because these remnant forests still have those feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps me imagine what it would you like for

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<v Speaker 1>us to live in a clean, peaceful, whole environment ecology

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<v Speaker 1>that we belong to and are part of. Intend.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

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<v Speaker 2>with my guests today, Ellen D. Davidson, discussing her newly

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<v Speaker 2>released book, Sacred Forest Bathing. Will be right back. My

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<v Speaker 2>guest today is author Ellen D. Davidson. She's coming to

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<v Speaker 2>us from northern California and the site of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the largest Sequoia redwoods in the world, and she's discussing

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<v Speaker 2>her new book, Sacred Force Bathing, on how to integrate

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<v Speaker 2>with nature. That's kind of cool. So you're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>you get a projection from the tree of perhaps our ancestors,

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<v Speaker 2>how they lived more naturally on the earth and more holistically.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is what you're saying, which is the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>wellness because you're one with guya right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels like it, And she feels incredibly into

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent and I can glimpse fractals of that actually where

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<v Speaker 1>it would be way before recorded history, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the mythologies of the whole world have various

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the Garden of Eden and the time when

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<v Speaker 1>we were living peacefully with the other creatures in harmony. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those feelings come back to me and it gives me

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of possibility that could be created that and

436
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the intelligence that comes through these trees

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<v Speaker 1>and their connection to Gaya to me is almost like

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth is wanting to restore and recreate that. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels larger than me. It doesn't feel like I'm making

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<v Speaker 1>it up. It feels like I'm receiving it. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>effort when I imagine something, I'm projecting something. This is not yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is I'm sitting there and I'm receiving these beautiful visions.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us about the goddess the different goddess

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<v Speaker 2>traditions around the world and how they are integrative of

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<v Speaker 2>the forest, because you do bring that up in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in an awakening woman's Sodna when I was

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<v Speaker 1>writing that book with the Norse goddess Freya, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>a forest goddess, and I was I identified here, I

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<v Speaker 1>was off in the forest, and then I discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>there are goddesses in almost everywhere on the world. In

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<v Speaker 1>the world where there are forests, there is a forest goddess.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the Japanese cherry blossom goddess, and there's Ajia, an

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<v Speaker 1>African goddess, and there's Oh boy, do I remember all

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<v Speaker 1>the names we have in Greek mythology. We have Diana,

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<v Speaker 1>and we Artemis and Daphne who turns herself into a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just all the traditions have these forest goddesses, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are I think there's a deeply yin sort of

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<v Speaker 1>feminine quality in the forest. I feel safe in the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everyone doesn't. We've our fairy tales and our

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<v Speaker 1>mythologies have sort of demonized the forest and made it

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a dark, scary place where you know, bad

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<v Speaker 1>things could happen. But that's that's layered on top of

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<v Speaker 1>many cultures that we've evolved from that had sacred trees.

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<v Speaker 1>The Norse have Yigdristle, who connects the nine worlds, the

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<v Speaker 1>bail bob that stores water. So this tree worship is

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<v Speaker 1>cross cultural around the world, and it goes with this

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<v Speaker 1>sense that we have that we're nurtured and sheltered and

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<v Speaker 1>protected in the forest, and I certainly feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you able to get a hint of the Goddess

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<v Speaker 2>when you are in the forest and asking for her

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<v Speaker 2>guidance and healing or is it more general intuition that

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<v Speaker 2>you get from specific trees.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, beauty is a goddess and the forest is beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>and she enchants me with birds, song and butterflies and

476
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>sparkling clean waters splashing over rocks, and so the whole

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<v Speaker 1>forest becomes the embodiment of this goddess of beauty and

478
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<v Speaker 1>brings me into a state of awe and reverence and

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<v Speaker 1>worship and wonder and that joy we all felt as kids,

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00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>most people felt who had halfway decent childhoods. We all

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00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 1>felt this sense of wonder. We would see a sala

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00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>bug and it would amaze us, or a butterfly life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that quality of really being present with life and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole miracle of it and this whole planet. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Guya is an embodiment of the Goddess.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we forget that though, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to nature for healing. I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about what I experienced and how you

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<v Speaker 2>can relate to it, which would be the being altered,

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<v Speaker 2>because when I go into these areas and I'm walking

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00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm off the ashphalt or cement and I'm walking

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00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 2>in nature, my consciousness shifts. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>that is and you could probably speak better to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that is the healing attributes of

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<v Speaker 2>being in nature to shifting and and uh, this altered

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00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>consciousness or it is what we do because we need

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with the force with these natural settings. But

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<v Speaker 2>I find that I'm altered, and I don't even pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention until I think about it. I was like, wait

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00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a minute, you were out there, you were gone. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a healing aspect of being in nature,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it kind of your body kind of switches into

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<v Speaker 2>this into this natural world.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I think it's not a unique experience to

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<v Speaker 1>just you or me. I think it's a people might

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00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>define it or describe it differently, but I think it's

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00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a pretty common experience to have our consciousness altered by

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00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 1>being in the forest. And one reason is we're literally

509
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<v Speaker 1>out of the box. Most of the structures we spend

510
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<v Speaker 1>time in that we humans have created are rectangular, they're linear,

511
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<v Speaker 1>so we're kind of living in various triangles and rectangles

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<v Speaker 1>and boxy shapes, and we go out there and everything

513
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is fractal, it's curvy. So there's that. Then there's all

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<v Speaker 1>of our senses. We're smelling, and smelling is a very

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00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>deep sense. It's undervalued. It opens us up tremendously to

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00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 1>other cities of consciousness, especially when the smells are so

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00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>utterly pleasant, which they usually are outside of nature. We

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00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>smell the mulchy earth and the scent of the subtle

519
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.119
<v Speaker 1>fragrance of trilling flowers or whatever's around. And then there's

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00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the sounds. Sounds expand our consciousness. We know that now

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<v Speaker 1>because so many people are experience and into sound healing.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference being in a forest is we're not isolating

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<v Speaker 1>each of these senses with taking a flower essence or

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00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a sound bath or getting you know, all of them

525
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>are at once. We're in a symphony where every sense

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<v Speaker 1>that we have, including the subtle ones that are less

527
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 1>developed like instinct and intuition, are enlivened with this gentle stimulation.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very gentle. The nature blends things in such

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful palet. So the color is in the visual,

530
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>which tends to be our dominant sense. But even then

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00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>we're soothed instead of bombarded, and it definitely all here's

532
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 1>our consciousness, And then there's whatever frequencies and vibrations in

533
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the palpable field created by these trees, who I think

534
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>are friends. They're all there communing with each other and

535
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>creating this environment and interrelating with other species that make

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<v Speaker 1>the forest their home.

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<v Speaker 2>So there we are talk about Summer tree a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is a unique connection. Do you feel this

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<v Speaker 2>is a relative of some kind or is it more

540
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 2>of a friendly teacher, the relationship you have with that

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00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 2>special tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she called me, and right off the bat, none

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<v Speaker 1>of the other trees that I've gotten, except for the

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00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>one in my backyard, which I named Grandmother dragon tree.

545
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Actually my children named her that because she has this

546
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.119
<v Speaker 1>big spike at the top and the snout nose, and

547
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 1>she looks just like a dragon. So but other than

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00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>those two trees, none of them called me. I went

549
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and sat and asked permission, and some of them aren't

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00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>interested in me being there at all. They want to

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00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 1>be left alone to do whatever they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get that sense like people like, you know, hey,

553
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not nice to see you, but keep moving.

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00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are just like, don't bother

555
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>me now, I'm busy talking to the stars.

556
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

557
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>But summer Chie wanted a relationship with me and called me,

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00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and so that is unique right there. And I went

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<v Speaker 1>back and back. I've called her summer Ty because I

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<v Speaker 1>have to cross a creek to get there, and in

561
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the winter of that creek is too high across, so

562
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<v Speaker 1>I can go for about six months of the year.

563
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And then OK, wow wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So that and then there was this thing that happened

565
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>sitting over time with summer Ty where I felt this

566
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<v Speaker 1>grandmother in the tree and even had some almost hallucinatory visions.

567
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>One happened with my friend and she saw it too.

568
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 1>We felt like we were there's this beautiful little clearing.

569
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we do yoga beneath this tree because there's a

570
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 1>flat duff area that yeah, and she had this vision

571
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 1>right with me. We were both meditating. She meditates too,

572
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and we are sitting for a long time with this tree.

573
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<v Speaker 1>Time goes really fast. Sometimes it'd be two hours and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd open our eyes and it would feel like five.

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<v Speaker 2>Minutes you're altered, very.

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00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Altered, and kind of blissed out. It's how I could

577
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>describe it with an experience lots of people have had

578
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>is occupuncture needles or a really good massage where you

579
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 1>just feel those currents of energy running through your body

580
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 1>and it feels good. So it's not like I'm making

581
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:02.800
<v Speaker 1>myself sit there, it's it's just feels good. And so

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00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 1>we both had this hallucination or vision that we were

583
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<v Speaker 1>that there were these grandmothers, Indigenous grandmothers. They were all

584
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<v Speaker 1>dressed differently. Some of them had like drindle skirts and

585
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>some had feathers. And we opened our eyes and we

586
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 1>saw these grandmothers in this little clearing where the tree

587
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>was around us, and we're looking at her, going do

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00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 1>you see what I'm saying? And we could tell they

589
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:33.639
<v Speaker 1>weren't physical flesh and blood, but they were like looking

590
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>at a hologram or something. You could really see them

591
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 1>three dimensionally. It's never happened again, but I've continued to

592
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 1>sense the sense of a grandmother in this tree. I

593
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 1>still haven't figured out the mystery of that. This is

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00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>partly what I've gone back for seventeen years. It's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>That is yeah. Wild wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, we weren't on any drugs. We

597
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>were completely in our normal stay to consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny anyone thought about, you know, was she on

599
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 2>an ayahuasca journey or was she taking some fantastic cannabis

600
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.639
<v Speaker 2>or d MT or something. You don't talk about that

601
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 2>at all in your book, which means that you are

602
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that you're using natural frequencies to get your high.

603
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, I've done cannabis, but I don't I've

604
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 1>never even taken ayahuasca and I'm not drawn to it. Yeah,

605
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>but I know a lot of people haven't have had

606
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>good experiences. But that's just but no, we were like complete,

607
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 1>but we're not normal by the time. We've sat with

608
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the trees for a long time because, like you said,

609
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>walking in the forest alters you. And then sitting if

610
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.320
<v Speaker 1>if if a person finds a comfortable spot to sit

611
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that and the redwood forest doesn't have very many ticks

612
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<v Speaker 1>or hazards or poison.

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00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Oaks bring that up, which I'm glad you did because

614
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 2>my son had a tick bite and he was in

615
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 2>trouble for a couple of years, So yeah, it's a

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00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 2>very good for those of you listening. Ticks can really

617
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>be a problem. You can get limes disease, which is

618
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>just a devastating neurological problem, so I appreciate you adding

619
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that to it. So that's something you've brought up. No ticks,

620
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>so you can sit sip by the tree without too

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<v Speaker 2>much of a worry.

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00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, there could be a tick. I do check and

623
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<v Speaker 1>I wear I try and wear long pants that cuff

624
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>in at the bottom, and we look afterwards. And a

625
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<v Speaker 1>tick won't give you limes if you get it within

626
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<v Speaker 1>the first twenty four hours. It has to actually engorge.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you do pull one out, you can take

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<v Speaker 1>it to your local CDC and they can check to

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<v Speaker 1>see if it's a limes tick. But basically, if you

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<v Speaker 1>take antibiotics quickly after getting a tick that has limes,

631
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<v Speaker 1>you're fine, and if you don't, it is an ordeal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm pretty careful. But the redways have far fewer

633
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<v Speaker 1>ticks than the grassy oakland, and that's why I wanted

634
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<v Speaker 1>to bring that up, because you're in the oaks, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're just going to PLoP down and sit next

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<v Speaker 1>to a tree, you have to be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that reminder. Yeah, we're going to talk

638
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<v Speaker 2>in a minute here about your technique for force bathing,

639
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<v Speaker 2>but before we do that, you and this is fascinating

640
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<v Speaker 2>to me. You talk about lay lines. And I am

641
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<v Speaker 2>somebody who studies ancient Maya traditions, and a lot of

642
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<v Speaker 2>their pyramids sit on lay lines, sit on tealloric energy fields,

643
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<v Speaker 2>and the belief is that they understood these earth neurosystems

644
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<v Speaker 2>you can call them, or energy systems known as what

645
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<v Speaker 2>the English called lay lines. Would you say that summer

646
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<v Speaker 2>tree and these other big trees are connected in some

647
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<v Speaker 2>way and sit over energy fields.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one hundred percent sure they do. Now whether or

649
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 1>not they're what we traditionally call lay lines is an

650
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 1>ongoing inquiry for me, because I can kind of see

651
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 1>them sometimes when I'm altered, like I can envision, and

652
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they look really my sillial. They're like curvy and woven,

653
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:15.280
<v Speaker 1>but they light. There's light. I can see this light

654
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>going through the earth sometimes and I can sense it.

655
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 1>But lay lines, So I wondered about that, and I

656
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 1>started looking into lay lines, and they're always described as

657
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<v Speaker 1>more straight and networked in like a grid I'm sure

658
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<v Speaker 1>the red woods are connected to those, but maybe they

659
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<v Speaker 1>curve into them and then get onto those main they're

660
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<v Speaker 1>energetic highways like occupuncture points in the Earth, and the

661
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 1>red woods are connected. They are connectors. And what I

662
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<v Speaker 1>also experienced with the red woods is they connect Heaven

663
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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. They connect the cosmic storry intelligences with the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth intelligence. In fact, I think are antennas and they

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<v Speaker 1>channel that right through.

666
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I love that analogy that they're working with the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something I was curious about is that if these

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<v Speaker 2>are teachers, you know, ancient teachers, how do you learn

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<v Speaker 2>with them? Did you sit there and ask them questions

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<v Speaker 2>like summer Tree, do you do you have periods where

671
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you know what Summer Tree, I'm curious about this earth situation?

672
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Or can you tell me about myself? You use them

673
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of as a sounding board. Maybe that's disrespectful. Maybe

674
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you need to go in and be respectful and say,

675
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<v Speaker 2>Summer Tree, I honor you, but I need to know

676
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<v Speaker 2>about this my relationship with this person who sucks or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was really ill for a while

678
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<v Speaker 1>and I could never sleep, I actually ended up every

679
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>once in a while in cheer desperation taking tranquilizers. I

680
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<v Speaker 1>was taking some las of pen and then my youngest

681
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<v Speaker 1>daughter ruptured her appendix and was near death in the

682
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<v Speaker 1>hospital for ten days. I had like flirted with this

683
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>for like a decade, every once in a while when

684
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I was desperate for night of sleep, but I would

685
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<v Speaker 1>I took the lowest dose. I wouldn't take them every

686
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<v Speaker 1>night because I was determined not to get addicted. When

687
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<v Speaker 1>she was in the hospital, I took them every day

688
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 1>for two weeks while this crisis happened, and then I

689
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>did get addicted, and because I tried to just quit,

690
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<v Speaker 1>because I had always quit before. If I took them

691
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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't get off them, and the doctor said, well,

692
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<v Speaker 1>you're on the lowest dose, it shouldn't be a problem.

693
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<v Speaker 1>It was a total problem. I could not get off them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did go to the trees in this abject

695
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 1>misery of like, oh my god, I'm an addict. Now,

696
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 1>how did this happen to me? I was really upset

697
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:01.559
<v Speaker 1>and I begged for help, and it was very direct.

698
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.920
<v Speaker 1>The help. I mean, I can't remember it's written in

699
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 1>my journals now, all the information they gave me. They

700
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<v Speaker 1>literally guided me step by step for how to get

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<v Speaker 1>off of these Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, it was very very like like specific, like

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<v Speaker 3>go to bit at this time, only these foods don't

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<v Speaker 3>get alcohol h weed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it was that specific. And it was those

706
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>things you're very intuitive too. It was the thing you

707
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>just said, you know, it was more and it was

708
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like they told me how to get I had to

709
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.920
<v Speaker 1>ask that. I didn't even know they existed. The doctor

710
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell me this. The trees told me that I

711
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>could get drops and lower my dose every three days

712
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.679
<v Speaker 1>by drop by drop by drop. And that's how I

713
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>did it with that because when I first tried to

714
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 1>cold turkey, after I got addicted, my brain was little,

715
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 1>literally creaking and crackling and rattling. The insomnia went through

716
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the roof. I had non stut headache, and I was

717
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>nauseated and a sweating. It was bad. I could not

718
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 1>get off this side.

719
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I gotta stop you d so are you bringing out

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<v Speaker 2>your journal or are you bringing out a recorder? And

721
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you're talking, You're closing your eyes, You're meditating with your

722
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>with the summer tree and going summer tree. I'm I

723
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 2>can't stand this drug. I'm dealing with. What do I

724
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 2>do and then every time you close your eyes you

725
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 2>got a hint as to withdrawal or something. Tell me

726
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:26.599
<v Speaker 2>about it.

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00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I did record things into my phone. Sometimes I would

728
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.679
<v Speaker 1>run home and write it in my journal right away

729
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>because I could remember it. This was These were vivid.

730
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so were vivid.

731
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Well not. Some of them are like pulling back a

732
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 1>dream that you only can remember a few images because

733
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm so deep and some of them, but these ones

734
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>were I could mostly remember. I did speak into my phone,

735
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>usually when I'd be walking back. I would record it

736
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and then write it in my journal as soon as

737
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 1>I got home. And that's just a very speci the thing.

738
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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, I have to confess, I wasn't

739
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 1>asking all these big questions of the trees. I was

740
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 1>just receiving what needed to come through next. It's how

741
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I received the book. That book, my book. It was

742
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>written in two months. I want to I didn't want

743
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to write it because I'd written some children's books and

744
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 1>gone through a whole onslaught of rejections and then had

745
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 1>books and then had publishers go out of business and

746
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.840
<v Speaker 1>books everything that could happen to me, and I had

747
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.440
<v Speaker 1>just gotten tired of working so hard for not much.

748
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 1>So when I first was sitting at the tree and

749
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>had this vision of this book that I was to write,

750
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was blazing with light, I said no. And

751
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 1>then every time I go sit at the tree and

752
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 1>try and meditate, I couldn't get anything because I just

753
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>see this book again. And finally I just came and

754
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'll write the book.

755
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as ID going, girl, you got to

756
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>write it. You're not going anywhere until you've finish this

757
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 2>book exactly in two months. That that means that that

758
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>that was a major data download waiting to come.

759
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I was blissed out too. It was amazing. I mean

760
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like getting up at four in the morning

761
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to write sometimes or writing late at night, but it

762
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>was I was higher than a kite. It was like

763
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>this blaze of white light was just blowing into my body.

764
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So I hardly noticed. I mean I did have to

765
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<v Speaker 1>go back and edit it after that, and that took

766
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a few more months. But but I had never written

767
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a book like that. It took me years to write

768
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 1>some of you know, a young adult fantasy. It took

769
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 1>me years. I was plotting it out. This wasn't that

770
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't write it on that level. And I felt

771
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>like I was just in service to the trees, the

772
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>forest and nature. And if you're.

773
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 2>A you're a tool for them, you're a you're a channel.

774
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I was for this and and I just felt like,

775
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of commissioned. I think lots of us are.

776
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I think certain things are ripe and they're ready to

777
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.000
<v Speaker 1>come through, and a lot of people will receive those

778
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<v Speaker 1>ideas or inventions or creative images at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I made myself available because I was out in

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<v Speaker 1>the forest, so I was available to the nature spirits to.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

782
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

783
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, author Ellen D. Davidson, discussing Sacred

784
00:55:36.920 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Forest Bathing. We'll rejoin you shortly. My guest today is

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00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Ellen D. Davidson. She has written a new book called

786
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Sacred Force Bathing. This is all about connecting with nature,

787
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.760
<v Speaker 2>connecting with the earth energy gaia energy for healing, for

788
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>spiritual growth and for wellness. Seems okay about it? I

789
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 2>mean to write a book in two months is unreal.

790
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 2>That's oh, just create I know.

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00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I haven't even confessed that to any other interviewers.

792
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, hey, guess what we heard her first? Hear

793
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 2>our destiny. But I have to say that you don't

794
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 2>seem to be angry about it. You don't seem to

795
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:08.119
<v Speaker 2>be put off. You accept the role as the channel

796
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>or the tool for the nature world and bringing this

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00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 2>book forward, which I think is a wonderful acknowledgment. You

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<v Speaker 2>may not think about that well, but I mean, you're

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00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.119
<v Speaker 2>smiling right now, so you must be okay, okay with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a wonderfully written book, so it ca at worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey.

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00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is you got Inner Traditions to

803
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<v Speaker 2>publish it. They have great editors there, so you had

804
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 2>some good people to help you right.

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00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, before Inner Traditions publish it, I've been a

806
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Twee Sister for a long time. It's an organization, a

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00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit that plants trees all over the world. And Mary

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00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Reynolds Thompson both teaches writing and she published with Inner

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00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Traditions ironically The Wild The Way of the Wild Soul Woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and she is also a professional editor. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>an editor at Inner Traditions who was interested in my manuscript.

812
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I just did a cold call query, but he said

813
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it needed some work at that point, so I hired

814
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Mary and she helped me and then it went through.

815
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 1>So I did have some good editing help, which probably

816
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<v Speaker 1>most channel books need.

817
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean they have certain standards, which is

818
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 2>actually good because it makes it more legible and it

819
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 2>flows probably better. There's certain things that editors can help

820
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you with that really make a book outstanding, so the

821
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<v Speaker 2>end result is positive. Let's talk about the technique of

822
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:46.280
<v Speaker 2>forest bathing. You suggest your suggestions for nature therapy, so

823
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:49.840
<v Speaker 2>let's go through them. So you suggest to sit for

824
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>two hours in nature to receive the benefits, to start

825
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 2>from the top. So how would we identify a place

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<v Speaker 2>that would be the ideal location to do the work.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first off, I think it's good to find a

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<v Speaker 1>place close to home that you can visit over and

829
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>over again, because this is a relationship. What we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is we're creating relationship, and that's not a one off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to go to some place that you want

832
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<v Speaker 1>to see and you've dreamed of your whole life, and

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00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 1>everyone has their bucket list. There's nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what we're starving for in our modern

835
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:45.039
<v Speaker 1>culture where we're always doing new everything is to really

836
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 1>bond deeply with specific places and trees. And it's just

837
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 1>so lovely to get to know a place in all

838
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.599
<v Speaker 1>weathers and all moods and what blooms when. And there's

839
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 1>an inmacy in that that I think we're craving because

840
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I keep reading articles about how lonely we all are,

841
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and part of that is we've become disconnected. And part

842
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 1>of reconnecting is to reconnect to place. So for people

843
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 1>that are housebound, that could be a house plant or

844
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe even a pet or but that deep bonding, or

845
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>a garden outside or even a window box garden. And

846
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 1>then if people live in a city, it can be

847
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a park and finding a special plant or tree there

848
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 1>to really open up to and meet get to know.

849
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Let me stop you real quickly. D you said plant.

850
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I thought that it's really important to be around trees

851
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 2>to get this interconnection. Are you saying that a plant

852
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 2>can also provide the beginnings of a connection that can

853
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 2>lead to the healing world that you want.

854
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to backtrack even further. I love the forest,

855
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and I live in the forest, and I've really bonded

856
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think there is something special about being in

857
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a forest, for sure, but nature therapy will work with

858
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 1>any type of nature, whether it's a desert, a prairie,

859
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 1>a mountain. Water. They've done studies and a lot of

860
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the health effects like lower blood pressure and lower cortisol

861
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and increased well being happen in blue spaces, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterfalls.

862
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people know about the ions and waterfalls

863
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and how that's ceiling. So I don't think there's any

864
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 1>wild natural environment that doesn't that we can't bond with

865
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and become more intimate and alter our consciousness and be

866
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.960
<v Speaker 1>healed from. So that's why I think that people need

867
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to find what speaks to them close to home, because

868
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 1>then we can go over and over again. And when

869
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.960
<v Speaker 1>people get a chance, going to an unspoiled forest is

870
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>an amazing experience.

871
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mentioned that visit the spot once or twice

872
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>a month, and so in those visits, what are we

873
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:30.039
<v Speaker 2>doing to connect and why are how are we developing

874
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the relationship that becomes the healing tool or the intuitive connection.

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01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the most important thing, bar none, besides going

876
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and getting your body there, is to unplug from all

877
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 1>your electronic devices.

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01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yeah, no phone, No phones.

879
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Don't wear headphones with music because you want to hear

880
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 1>the sounds of the environment you're in and they have

881
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.400
<v Speaker 1>an effect on state of mind and conciousness. Music's powerful,

882
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it's wonderful, but that's not what this is about. The

883
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:11.159
<v Speaker 1>second thing is either go alone if you like to

884
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.920
<v Speaker 1>go places alone, so that you can be more engaged

885
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 1>with the environment than with another person. We humans love

886
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.840
<v Speaker 1>each other, so when we're together, we're going to talk

887
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and find out all about what's going on with each other.

888
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.119
<v Speaker 1>If you're going in a group or with people, then

889
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 1>after you know a short amount of connecting and talking

890
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and setting up the plan for the day, practice silence

891
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 1>and scatter. Find, you know, go twenty ten, twenty yards

892
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.360
<v Speaker 1>apart and find each person can find where they're drawn

893
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:52.800
<v Speaker 1>to sit and have a spot. I don't think people

894
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.760
<v Speaker 1>need to sit per se for two hours. I've been

895
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 1>doing that after I walk, but I think the immersion,

896
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the being there should be two to three hours. That's

897
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 1>actually what the Japanese have discovered with shin Rin Yoko

898
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 1>is forest beating really requires a two to three hour

899
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 1>minimum commitment to receive the full benefits and that's of

900
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.519
<v Speaker 1>just being peaceful and really being there. The next part

901
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:24.039
<v Speaker 1>of the protocol would be to tune in to our bodies.

902
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Our bodies are nature, I mean, that's what our bodies are.

903
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:32.760
<v Speaker 1>We're part of the earth, and so tune in to

904
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the smells, the sensations physically, the sights, the sounds, what

905
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole environment is. And the more present we become

906
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:53.760
<v Speaker 1>with our senses, like Mary Oliver talks about our soft

907
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 1>animal bodies, that's what we want to come into, our

908
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 1>soft animal bodies. We want to do that. Dropping down,

909
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 1>getting out of our heads so much that alone is

910
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 1>really healing and putting our hands on our hearts. The

911
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Institute of heart Mouth is doing a great tree interconnectivity

912
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 1>study right now, and they discovered that when people send

913
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:23.840
<v Speaker 1>loving thoughts and feelings and words to I think they

914
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.599
<v Speaker 1>used a maple to a tree, the tree expanded its

915
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:34.360
<v Speaker 1>ambient bioelectric field. So this really is a scientifically proven

916
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:39.159
<v Speaker 1>We're having relationships, and like any other relationship, we want

917
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to take time. We want to pay attention and every being,

918
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 1>whether even rocks, I think, but all beings, certainly all

919
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 1>living beings love attention. And you can experiment with that

920
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in your house. People have when we focus loving attention

921
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.920
<v Speaker 1>on our plants, they grow better, just our house plants.

922
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 1>This is known, and they have. There's an ancient book.

923
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that book, The Secret Life of Plants?

924
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Peter Tompkin.

925
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and remember how when somebody went towards the plant,

926
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.840
<v Speaker 1>just with the thought that they were going to cut

927
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the plant, it electronically sent out a screen.

928
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. They hooked up the plants to different electrodes

929
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and they discovered that they have they have feelings.

930
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, so this isn't a live somehow post

931
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>industrial revolution culture, modernity, we reified everything. We turned it

932
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.360
<v Speaker 1>all into dead matter. Maybe it was that whole Newtonian thing,

933
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 1>but we've made the world into objects. That's not the reality,

934
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and the physicists are figuring this out too. The reality

935
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 1>is energy, and everything is alive and vibrating, and so

936
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 1>we want to connect back to them because that is

937
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 1>the world of life, and life is a miracle. It's

938
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 1>magical and we're magical. And this is the elf talking.

939
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 1>I could feel that little elsiness there. They're perking right up.

940
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:20.119
<v Speaker 2>So it's not wrong to do forest bathing by walking,

941
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.280
<v Speaker 2>But I think what you're suggesting in your book is

942
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.280
<v Speaker 2>to sit quietly with a specific tree or plant or

943
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:36.840
<v Speaker 2>bush or whatever and do some work, not just you know,

944
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 2>absorb the energy, but intend on something more.

945
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and but the work is to soften, to open,

946
01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to receive the more. It's not, it's not. It's like

947
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 1>a state of soft fascination where we it's not the

948
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:13.719
<v Speaker 1>focused intent that we're used to, where we're directing our thoughts.

949
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.520
<v Speaker 1>We're opening but with.

950
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Like I was thinking when you were talking about going

951
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 2>locally and finding a place. I'm close to some reservoirs

952
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and there's some parks that they've built that have very

953
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:31.319
<v Speaker 2>old trees. Do you want to find Do you go

954
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 2>there looking for someone to say, hey, come sit with me?

955
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Or is it just the overall experience and don't think

956
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.600
<v Speaker 2>about a specific connection.

957
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:47.680
<v Speaker 1>It's really a good practice, I think, to open up

958
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to our kind of gut knowing and our intuition and feel,

959
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 1>feel from your belly, feel from your gut. Where am

960
01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I pulled? What? What? What tree has magnetism for me?

961
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 1>You know? Who? Do I want to get to know more?

962
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 1>We can go by our own desire. Our desire is

963
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.039
<v Speaker 1>a gift to show no different than with a person.

964
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:11.199
<v Speaker 1>You might be at a party and you're just drawn

965
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.439
<v Speaker 1>to this one person and they're drawn to you, and

966
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:18.079
<v Speaker 1>then you start having a great conversation like this, I'm

967
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:23.840
<v Speaker 1>having fun now, so you know, so it's no different.

968
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.199
<v Speaker 1>It's just that we're opening up to where in nature

969
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 1>are we drawn and if we're working with trees, which tree?

970
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to backtrack a little bit too. There

971
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people, because I wrote this book

972
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and I've been meeting more people that are really into

973
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 1>tree communication. There are people that will ask trees specific

974
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 1>questions and intuitively receive answers. Some people do it by

975
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 1>drawing and painting and answers, and some people will get

976
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:58.119
<v Speaker 1>it verbally or even in movement. Some people are even

977
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:02.520
<v Speaker 1>doing it over long distance. Well, there's the listening field

978
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:06.680
<v Speaker 1>is talking to ancient olive trees without actually going there.

979
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Because we're all energy. I feel like we've got a

980
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty disembodied culture already. So I'm an advocate for bringing

981
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:15.600
<v Speaker 1>your body.

982
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:23.319
<v Speaker 2>But you know this force bathing, there's one element we

983
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:25.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't even talk about, which is and you call it

984
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 2>deep breathing, and I don't think we breathe enough, and

985
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.399
<v Speaker 2>so how do we integrate the breath into our forest bathing?

986
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Talk about that, would you?

987
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you remember to bring that up. I

988
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 1>think the breathing's the most important part, because on this planet,

989
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:48.680
<v Speaker 1>we literally breathe with the trees. We're inhaling their oxygen,

990
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:54.079
<v Speaker 1>exhaling the carbon dioxide that they're inhaling. We have a

991
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.319
<v Speaker 1>very symbiotic relationship with trees and plants in that way.

992
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:03.359
<v Speaker 1>So when we go to a forest and consciously breathe

993
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:08.279
<v Speaker 1>with the trees, it's sort of ecstatic, and it's a

994
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.279
<v Speaker 1>way to slow ourselves down and calm that vague nerve.

995
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:18.720
<v Speaker 1>So I do different types of forest breathing. Some is

996
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.760
<v Speaker 1>when I'm sitting and I might be if I'm really

997
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:25.000
<v Speaker 1>wound up in my mind and I can't settle too fast.

998
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I literally might breathe in for account of four or five,

999
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.119
<v Speaker 1>hold for one or two, and then breathe out for

1000
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the same count and do that until I've come into

1001
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:41.119
<v Speaker 1>a calmer rhythm. Okay, see Yeah, But there's all kinds

1002
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.359
<v Speaker 1>of different breathing techniques, and it's basically finding one that

1003
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:47.119
<v Speaker 1>works for each individual person.

1004
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Should we be conscious of our breath when we're ours

1005
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.920
<v Speaker 2>first connecting or is it just just take some deeper

1006
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.760
<v Speaker 2>breath so that you're I think what you're suggesting is

1007
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.880
<v Speaker 2>by breathing, you're seeking up with the tree.

1008
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we need to slow down. You know. It's interesting.

1009
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I think the trees actually vibrate higher than we do,

1010
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.800
<v Speaker 1>at least the old redwoods. But in order for us

1011
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to connect and and our vibration will organically rise in

1012
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.119
<v Speaker 1>their presence, in order for that to happen, we have

1013
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.640
<v Speaker 1>to slow down. So it's a paradox in a way.

1014
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:29.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think you said something very very important, which

1015
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:34.680
<v Speaker 2>is the connection begins with the breath, because you're you're

1016
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you want to be in harmony with this, with this

1017
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:46.359
<v Speaker 2>sentient being, and by breathing in a certain manner, after

1018
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.680
<v Speaker 2>a while, you probably know that you're connecting in some way.

1019
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you feel it, or maybe you're like, oh, I'm

1020
01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:56.239
<v Speaker 2>much more relaxed, which is also a message that the

1021
01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:00.399
<v Speaker 2>tree is linking up with you in some way. Talk

1022
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.880
<v Speaker 2>about your experience, I d I mean you must go

1023
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:11.359
<v Speaker 2>up to the big girl summer tree and have a

1024
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 2>way to link with her.

1025
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, first of all, for me, I'm a pretty

1026
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:20.680
<v Speaker 1>active person, so I like it that I have to

1027
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.760
<v Speaker 1>walk a few miles to get there, because just walking,

1028
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the rhythm of that and seeing the various beautiful things

1029
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:33.079
<v Speaker 1>I see along the way already has calmed me down

1030
01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And then sometimes I do yoga in

1031
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the clearing for a little bit and that will also

1032
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.000
<v Speaker 1>help me center. But sometimes I just sit. It depends

1033
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:50.640
<v Speaker 1>on my mood. And then when I sit, I I

1034
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:54.560
<v Speaker 1>try and pay attention to my breath. Sometimes I'll do

1035
01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:59.439
<v Speaker 1>a technique like I just said. Sometimes I'll just observe

1036
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:04.840
<v Speaker 1>my breath. But as I calm myself down with the

1037
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.039
<v Speaker 1>breathing and the presence, then I will start feeling. Usually

1038
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for me, I first can feel the connection with the

1039
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:16.319
<v Speaker 1>trees through the back of my heart chakra. It's almost

1040
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:19.800
<v Speaker 1>like little tendrils and roots growing into me, and there

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01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is a transfusion of energy and it's palpable. I can

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01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:27.720
<v Speaker 1>feel it like little tingling currents, and so it's almost

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01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:33.000
<v Speaker 1>like I become it feels like I'm becoming part of

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01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's not science yet, but it probably will be,

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01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.560
<v Speaker 1>because none of this was science when I started out,

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01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:46.760
<v Speaker 1>and my husband thought I was crazy, but now half

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01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of it is science.

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01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.479
<v Speaker 2>So I think these things are ancient wisdoms that are

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01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:55.800
<v Speaker 2>coming back to We're remembering them. The books called Sacred

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01:14:55.920 --> 01:15:00.399
<v Speaker 2>Force Bathing the Healing Power of Ancient Trees and wild Places.

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01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 2>In my guest today's been Ellen D. Davidson. As we conclude, uh,

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01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:09.199
<v Speaker 2>the what would you like to leave us with in

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01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.880
<v Speaker 2>terms of the importance of this forest bathing? What? What?

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the final thoughts.

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01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:26.319
<v Speaker 1>As we as we reconnect and open up to nature,

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01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 1>we're healing ourselves and also that will help heal our

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01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:37.720
<v Speaker 1>ecologies and our earth. And we can be guided too

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01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:43.680
<v Speaker 1>well know our next steps and they can be they

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01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:46.840
<v Speaker 1>can be in more grace and ease. We don't have

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01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:51.119
<v Speaker 1>to constantly fight against everything. We can work with the

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01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:57.000
<v Speaker 1>intelligence of nature and just have We could have such

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01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:59.199
<v Speaker 1>a good time on this beautiful planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we're all some of us are really

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01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:07.680
<v Speaker 2>out of balance. I want to ask you, if someone

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01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:11.319
<v Speaker 2>has an illness like you had your illnesses, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you approach that with forest bathing? Do you ask for

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01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.520
<v Speaker 2>healing or And you might have mentioned that when we

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01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.479
<v Speaker 2>first started, when you had your fible biologia and your

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01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 2>other illnesses. But how did what would you suggest for

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01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:30.000
<v Speaker 2>somebody who has a chronic condition and how can they

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01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.279
<v Speaker 2>ask for healing and how do they go about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a good question. First off, just being be

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01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it nature therapy is a real thing, and just being

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01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>out there. As long as we unplug from our electronics

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01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and let ourselves really be present, there's an automatic amount

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01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:59.119
<v Speaker 1>of healing. I think our auras get cleaned and we

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01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:04.800
<v Speaker 1>just automatic have our energetic fields become cleaner and higher vibration.

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01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 1>That's going to influence ourselves and so there is healing

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01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.079
<v Speaker 1>in that. I also just read Sophie Strand's The Body

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01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:19.600
<v Speaker 1>is a Doorway. Not everyone with a chronic illness is

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01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:24.239
<v Speaker 1>going to heal on that level, but she so eloquently

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01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and beautifully makes the point about how in nature, even

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01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:35.399
<v Speaker 1>when we're dying or we're not going to heal, we're

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01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:40.319
<v Speaker 1>part of the whole, the healthy, beautiful whole, constantly creating

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01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:45.439
<v Speaker 1>new life out of the dissolution. So wherever we are

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01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>in our lives and life is a series of ups

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01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 1>and downs for I think everyone and we all go

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01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:56.239
<v Speaker 1>through things that are ard At times we can soften

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01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:02.960
<v Speaker 1>around it and being outside with nature. It's bigger. Nature's

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01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:05.960
<v Speaker 1>bigger than we are, so we can be embraced in

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01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:09.720
<v Speaker 1>that and we can relax no matter what's going on.

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01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So there's an element of healing in just that level

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01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of relaxation, and then our own body intelligence can arrive

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01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:23.239
<v Speaker 1>at the highest level of homeostasis possible for us at

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01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that time. Okay, whatever we're dealing with, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The first part of that, because you're just you're saying,

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01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:31.880
<v Speaker 2>just go out and be in nature. That's the that's

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01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:33.680
<v Speaker 2>healing right there, that's the start.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the book just came out a few weeks ago,

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01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.000
<v Speaker 2>so you can get it on I think I saw

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01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 2>it on Amazon and wherever you get your books. Let's see,

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01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:47.520
<v Speaker 2>let's give your web address. The web address is. Your

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01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:52.920
<v Speaker 2>name is Ellend Davidson dot com. You have a Facebook page,

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01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:54.960
<v Speaker 2>You have an Instagram page. What you got on your

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01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Instagram page? You got pictures of your trees, the summer

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01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:59.199
<v Speaker 2>tree on Instagram?

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01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:03.279
<v Speaker 1>No, I should uh put a picture.

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01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wants to see the trees.

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01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I have some cheese here and there, and certainly on

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01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.399
<v Speaker 1>my website there's some and I do post them on Facebook.

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01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:17.319
<v Speaker 1>I tend to post a little bit more on Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>than Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to say, well, I don't

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01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:22.920
<v Speaker 2>post these sacred trees like Summer Tree because I don't

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01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.960
<v Speaker 2>want anyone going out after them. But heck, it takes

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01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.720
<v Speaker 2>you a bit of time to get to them, so

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<v Speaker 2>probably only the animals and you know where it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, No, I have posted pictures of it before,

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01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.359
<v Speaker 1>but I just haven't. Well it's not summer yet, I

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01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>can't even get there yet, so I will post one.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>The real pleasure. Much success on this book. I think

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01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:52.039
<v Speaker 2>you got something and I really appreciate you writing the book.

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01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me. It was really a joy

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a lot of fun for me. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you. When you live amongst the ancient Sequoia

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01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.640
<v Speaker 2>redwoods and these are you know, trees that are two

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01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 2>hundred three hundred feet tall, They're monstrous, and you're in

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01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.800
<v Speaker 2>these groves, there's something very sacred about it, very calming,

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01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and they're exuding all types of energy. We're just beginning

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01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:31.960
<v Speaker 2>to understand what kind of energy they do exude, but

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01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:35.640
<v Speaker 2>we know it's very healing. As D was telling us,

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01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 2>it's very healing to the body, and I've heard other people.

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<v Speaker 2>My ex wife lived in Willets, which is south of

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01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>where d lives in northern California, and she was a chiropractor.

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01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:55.760
<v Speaker 2>She had a lot of stories about people who were

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01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:01.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of doing the forest bathing technique or communing with

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01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:08.000
<v Speaker 2>nature and recovering from all kinds of real chronic problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the other thing is when you move to

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01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.479
<v Speaker 2>a smaller town, you do have less resources, but you're

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01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:21.199
<v Speaker 2>much more in nature, and this can be very, very beneficial.

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<v Speaker 2>So the book just came out, Sacred Forest Bathing The

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01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Healing Power of Ancient Trees and Wild Places came out

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01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago, and I enjoyed the book.

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01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:36.560
<v Speaker 2>It has some work that you can do after each

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01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 2>chapters are very small. You can do a little work.

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01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 2>The recommendation is you do a little work after each

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01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:47.359
<v Speaker 2>chapter to kind of review. But we went over the

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01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:53.159
<v Speaker 2>techniques for doing these interactions with the nature. But I

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<v Speaker 2>really strongly suggest the book simply because it offers a

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01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of benefits for connecting with nature. So Ellen D. Davidson,

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<v Speaker 2>Sacred Forest Bathing, what an interesting term. Sacred forest bathing

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01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:16.239
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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this program. I want to thank my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, Ellen D. Davidson, coming to us from northern California.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, the team of Gail tour Mark Foster, and

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