WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:02.520 It's the Golden Age. 2 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:12.800 Roger than the fantasy sat in the refil history the gold. 3 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:18.239 Then tell me from co Captains to Happy Thanksgiving. 4 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:21.239 Welcome to the Survivor Series nineteen eighty eight review right 5 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:23.440 here on the Golden Era Podcast with Shawn Mooney. 6 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:24.359 How you doing today? 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:30.640 I'm doing great. Interesting though event we're going to be 8 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.079 talking about. I really have kind of a love hate 9 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:36.679 with this one because to me, it was it was 10 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.399 it was a gigantic mash pit of an event, as 11 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.079 I will explain as we get into this. But I 12 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.880 was busy that day, that's for sure. So let's get 13 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:49.920 into it now. 14 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.520 This is your first Survivor series. 15 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:53.679 You've been with the company since what May of nineteen 16 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.399 eighty eight, so this is your first Survivor series. Did 17 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.000 you know anything about it? How are you being prepped 18 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:00.200 about what Survivors is? 19 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:07.000 Well, I mean they had one previously, so we kind 20 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.959 of knew what the whole concept was. 21 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.040 I knew that I wasn't. 22 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:13.640 Going to be sharing Thanksgiving with my family that day, 23 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.760 but it was it was an interesting event to be 24 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:20.519 a part of because it was just there was just 25 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:21.280 so much. 26 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:24.599 Going on all the time. You know, where I was 27 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.120 used to doing tag team interviews and. 28 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:31.120 Then also doing uh, you know, the single one on 29 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:32.120 one kind of thing. 30 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:34.280 Then suddenly you have. 31 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.319 To do these massive interviews where you've got five different 32 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.120 guys or more in some game managers, yeah, that are. 33 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:42.719 Involved in it. 34 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.359 And as I've said before, you're basically you're the mic 35 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.640 stand You've got to make sure that that MC gets 36 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.680 where it's supposed to be in the right order, and 37 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.439 so that that's you know, your mission, and then be 38 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.079 natural about it all and make sure everybody gets their 39 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.439 lines in so well. From my perspective, that was my 40 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:07.959 concern because you know, Vince was in on all of 41 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:13.080 these as we've talked about. He just was every detail 42 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.680 and it was a relatively new event in a sense, 43 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.800 so there was more tension, I guess, you know event. 44 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.319 So I said, nothing can go wrong, Well, yeah, a 45 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.479 lot of things could go wrong, especially when you're this young, 46 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.680 basically green announcer who's still trying to get his feet 47 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.319 under him after all this. So it was uh yeah, 48 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.560 I probably sweated through not just my shirt. 49 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:41.520 But my jacket, the blazers. Well your nice nice suit 50 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:41.840 that day. 51 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:43.840 Nice, Yeah it tucks, Yes, you. 52 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.879 Look great, not rocking up mullet real one hundred percent. 53 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.960 Yet it's growing, getting there, it's getting there. You know 54 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.240 you're trying, You're trying. But with interviewing five people with managers, 55 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.520 is there prep work? Are you setting this up where 56 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.319 we're all getting in a room going okay, well you 57 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.520 say you're one that I pointed to you and you 58 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.400 do your line or is it all just okay, let's 59 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.560 go and each person jumps in when they find a moment. 60 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.800 No, and it's in one of these And most of those, 61 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.560 as I've said before, that they were loosely you know, 62 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.800 planned out that because these guys kind of knew what 63 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.360 they would say and you blocked it out in a sense. 64 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.879 But these, yeah, these were a little more involved because 65 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:27.680 you did have so many players in it. There were 66 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.960 so many you know, chess pieces on the board, so 67 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.159 they were a lot more meticulous about making sure that 68 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.280 everybody had the lines. What you're gonna say, and you 69 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.560 don't talk too long, and you get your point in 70 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:39.159 and get out. 71 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.240 And so I want to I don't want to say. 72 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.960 I mean, we did a rehearsal kind of thing, but 73 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.919 we did block it out and everybody had to know 74 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.000 what they were going to do so, and I and 75 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:56.199 I still remember that we didn't have many takes real 76 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.680 We really didn't, which is a credit to all of 77 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.800 those guys you know that were able to do that, 78 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.680 and especially the number of interviews we did, and we 79 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.560 had to get them done, uh and knock them out 80 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.639 because you've got a lot of other things you've got 81 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:10.759 to do. These guys got to, you know, get ready 82 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.039 for their matches, and especially with the one that we'll 83 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.920 get into when you've got ten on ten, which I 84 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.279 watched it again. I'm still astounded by those matches when 85 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.439 they do them, and to think that you know, they 86 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.240 had this wasn't some new concept. They'd have these these 87 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:34.759 rumbles before kind of thing. But uh yeah, just just 88 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:39.360 just madness. And uh, I'm not I'm not a big fan, 89 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.079 as we've we've we've. 90 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.000 Discussed, Yes, you have said you're not a bank fan 91 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.600 of Multiman matches and honestly, Surviarvar series has a special place. 92 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:47.879 In my heart. 93 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.120 But then when you start watching some of these events, 94 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.639 you're wondering, why does my heart want me to love 95 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.560 these things so much? My eyes say, I'm not really 96 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:59.839 enjoying what I'm saying it's you're right. It's a lot 97 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.639 of just clubbing, blows, tag somebody else in act. You 98 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.519 come in, get your shit in, tag them out, like 99 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.920 there is no planned feels like spots. It's a lot 100 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:11.920 of just Okay, well we got a bunch of wrestlers, 101 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:13.920 we got to get our shit in. You're eliminated, you're eliminated, 102 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:17.480 you're eliminated, versus years later it's like, Okay, we're gonna 103 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.560 set up this storyline in this match which gets us 104 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:24.120 ready for WrestleMania or Royal Rumble. At this point, I 105 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:26.639 feel like the only connection to that is the Mega Powers. 106 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:28.160 Yeah. 107 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.560 Yeah, And you also have to keep in mind, you know, 108 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.079 as you just talked about that, how do you plan 109 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:36.160 these matches out? 110 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:37.879 You really can't. 111 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.680 And you know, professional wrestling, a lot of it is 112 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.000 a dance in there, and these guys, once you've become 113 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.639 a seasoned professional, once you really know what you're doing 114 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.839 in there, you could do this all day. And it's 115 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.040 everything from somebody where they grab you on the wrist 116 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.240 and what or they you know, come up. 117 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:55.560 Under your arm or whatever. 118 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.279 You there's so many options to do, and these guys 119 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.480 were really good at it. And really I liked watching 120 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.839 that to see once again, just uh, you know what 121 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:10.319 talented athletes these guys were. And I mean, when you 122 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.480 think about it, they're there, all of them were. They 123 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.360 were just blown up. I mean they were just huge, 124 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.800 all of them. Even Jake looked great that day. 125 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:20.279 Yeah. 126 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:21.680 Uh and and. 127 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.959 Uh, you know, and to see them be able to 128 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.480 do and move the way they did in the ring, 129 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.959 and uh, you know, there was some of course, some misspots, 130 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.759 but overall, you know, these guys know exactly what they're doing. 131 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:38.040 But you can't you can't you can't really plot these out. 132 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.000 They know when they got to get out. They didn't 133 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.399 have at the time where you know, like the referees 134 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.160 have the earpieces, well back then they didn't have them, 135 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.759 and so a lot of it was hand signals and 136 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.759 they would have you know, a referee stationed outside of 137 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:55.680 the ring who would keep talking to the timekeepers so 138 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.800 they knew where they were because they did have to 139 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.160 keep you know, some kind of a timeline on this, 140 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.680 and these guys had an idea, Okay, you're going out 141 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.360 at this point, and they get a you know, high 142 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.399 sign to now it's time to go. 143 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.240 But that was a long way to go to. 144 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.560 Work that angle with the powers of pain and demolition. 145 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.399 You know that that was just I mean and really 146 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.680 think about it. That's what that that whole thing was about. 147 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:27.079 And the other big point of this event to me, 148 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.040 And as I mentioned at the top, that was kind 149 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.040 of this mosh pit of an event, a mash well. 150 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:33.959 I felt that way about the talent. 151 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.680 And you know how much I love to see our 152 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:41.439 superstars get their chance on the stage. And in this one, 153 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.680 you know, Coco Beware was in the main event. Uh, 154 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.920 so I love that. But at the same time, it 155 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:53.560 was just such a collection of I don't want you know, 156 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.680 I hate the term mid carters, but in a. 157 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:57.279 Sense it wasn't. 158 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.160 I was thinking where were all of our guys, the 159 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.959 ones that really stood out to me, you know, and 160 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.639 and a lot of them had departed. Uh you know, 161 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:08.759 we could we could go down the list of how 162 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:14.800 many guys weren't there through whatever reasons, uh, being injured 163 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:19.279 or unhappy and moving on and and so you know, 164 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.720 that's where you end up with these guys that are 165 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:27.199 that they are are hooking up with these top card guys, 166 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.040 and a lot of it just didn't make any sense. 167 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:35.720 And then you got the Conquistadors, who almost outlast everybody. 168 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:36.519 I was thinking of, like. 169 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.679 You could let these guys win. I know we've got 170 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.159 an angle here, but uh yeah, it was just a 171 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.840 massive collection and it really felt like they, you know, 172 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.559 took ping pong balls out of a basket. As far 173 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.279 as how we're going to match people up here, it was, 174 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:57.840 you know, it was all over the place. 175 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.000 I'm glad you said that, because yes, when you look 176 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.879 at the card, when you think of Golden Era wrestlers, 177 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.840 there's a lot at the Survivors series when you're like, 178 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.159 I don't consider you part of the Golden Era superstars. 179 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:12.399 I consider you like I don't know where it is. 180 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.200 Like the beginning of the Golden Era where it kind 181 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.120 of gets forgotten about. So let's break down the first 182 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.919 matchup though, because you have Ultimate Warrior Bruce Beefcake, two 183 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:21.080 Golden Era wrestler. 184 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.960 Then you have Sam Houston, who's. 185 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.559 There for a cup of coffee, jumping, Jim Brunzell, one 186 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:31.320 half of the Killer Bees, and Owen Hart, who is 187 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:32.080 at the time. 188 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.120 The Blue Blazer. Okay, they're taking on. 189 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:42.559 The Well Hockey, the Honkey talk Man, Ron Bass, Dangerous 190 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.120 Danny Davis who used to be a referee. Now who's 191 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.159 a wrestler, Greg the Hammer, Valentine and Bad News Brown? 192 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.440 Those are your why did the Brawler get screwed on this? 193 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.360 I Brooklyn Brawler? You wanted him in here. 194 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:00.159 Maybe it wasn't the Brawler yet you know it, But 195 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.840 I get your point exactly, is like like. 196 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:09.559 What Sam Houston, Jim Brunzell, Blue Blazer, Danny Davis, Ron 197 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.759 Bass doing here like the rest of them. Again, nothing 198 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.679 against any of those wrestlers, but in reality, when you're 199 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.159 looking at say a year from now, these people aren't 200 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:19.360 even hearing the company anymore. 201 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:20.519 They're gone like that. 202 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.440 It's just so weird that sometimes when you look at 203 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:25.039 wrestles like a Kempeterra, you're like, wow, look at them. 204 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.519 They're there and then you never see them ever again 205 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.720 because just timing contracts, disputes over money, and in this 206 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:36.679 match are disputes here. Because originally Don Morocco is on 207 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.200 Ultimate Warriors team. Well apparently he quit the company. Now 208 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.919 the reason behind this is he was fired, but he 209 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.279 quit as well, and this was during a European tour. 210 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.840 He was getting a drug test by at the time 211 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.519 Nick Bockwinkle and Don Mornco lost his mind on Nick 212 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.720 Bockwill streaming at him, even according to the Internet, calling 213 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:01.480 him a pecker Checker, and it was really Don Morocco 214 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:03.960 failed a drug test for steroids. 215 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.600 He's out, so he quits instead of getting fired. 216 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.960 So in reality, is this a common thing where wrestlers 217 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.080 just getting caught in the acting and like, you know what, 218 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.120 you can't fire me? 219 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.120 I quit? Yeah. 220 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:23.120 Absolutely, But at the same time too, there was things 221 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.279 worked out where they weren't exactly getting over. I think 222 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.519 Jyd was kind of the same situation that he just 223 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.840 wasn't you know, he'd been a superstar down a Mid 224 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.600 South and had just had never really happened with the 225 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:45.840 ww F WWE, and so he departed. I think, I mean, 226 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:47.679 you saw the shape he was, and so you know 227 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:51.279 it wasn't a steroid issue. But I think that he 228 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:55.919 thought that he'd go back and relive the glory because 229 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.919 it just for whatever reason, because you look at and 230 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:04.840 Jim doug And talks about this how massively over Junkyard 231 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.240 Dog was at Mid South where he you know, he 232 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.559 would say he blew, he would blow the roof off 233 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:16.519 that arena, and uh, and sometimes the translation just didn't happen. 234 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.480 These guys would go and you'd think, man, you know, 235 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.519 look what they did there, so imagine what they're going 236 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.240 to do on this stage. Well, maybe that stage was 237 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:29.080 better suited for them. Uh, they read those crowds better. 238 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.559 They weren't used to a lot of people that were 239 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:36.159 in that crowd that weren't true you know, deep seated 240 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:41.200 professional wrestling fans, right, which was pretty much what our 241 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.639 audience was at that time. We've we've gotten a lot 242 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.399 of people who'd just been attracted to the whole you know, 243 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:52.039 superhero storybook type angles that we were working with this 244 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.759 and the characters. So when you had guys you know 245 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.679 down mid South that was that was you know, down 246 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.639 dirty uh you know, profession well wrestling. 247 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:01.039 Uh. 248 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.080 And people used to using to see the use seeing 249 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.200 the juice on the you know, on the canvas and. 250 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.080 Oh yeah riots being stabbed. 251 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.360 People go yeah, well and and yeah they using the 252 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.279 swat team to get you out to the ring and 253 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.000 back again. Literally they weren't just cops, you know, these 254 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:19.120 guys would come, they'd have riot gear on that it 255 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:24.120 was so rowdy. So uh, there were a lot of 256 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.480 different reasons as you mentioned, some of them were substance related, 257 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.759 but also there was just a way that, you know, 258 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.679 it was kind of a mutual thing in a sense 259 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.759 that hey, it's just not working out here, and you know, 260 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.720 maybe if you go away and re establish or just 261 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.639 get you know, and maybe get back at a different gimmick. 262 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:45.159 You know. 263 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.480 It wasn't all nasty and like fu but it was 264 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.159 kind of like, well, it ain't working here, and so 265 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.960 I'm going to go away and we'll see what happens. 266 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:55.120 People'll see you down the road. 267 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.399 I like how done Morocco though, was like the Rock 268 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.480 Morocco for a while, original and then like originally you know, 269 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.639 as years ago on, people are like, don't you know, 270 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.960 Ruki Mayvie isn't the first rock, like using their comic 271 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.480 book guy from the Simpson's voice on you to correct you. 272 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.120 Yeah, Morocco's out. 273 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.600 He quits the company or fire, depending on what you 274 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.240 look at that you mentioned Jyd he was originally on 275 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.159 Drake to Snake Roberts's team, which we'll get to in 276 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.759 a minute, but they both are out of the company, 277 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.480 and I feel like there's a group of wrestlers Dahn 278 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.759 Morocco Superstar Billy Graham, Bruno Sammartino. 279 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.879 I feel like those three of the wrestlers who. 280 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.840 Did so much for the WWF and then they don't 281 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:36.039 continue on into like the real highlight of the Golden era. 282 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.240 And I always found that weird where you have three 283 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:42.440 wrestlers so established, so popular, but yet either demons or 284 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.039 just wanting more power. 285 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.879 Didn't like how Hogan was the star. They wanted to 286 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:47.399 be the star. 287 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.799 Like did you see that a lot around this time 288 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.000 in the company where you're seeing the old guard upset 289 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:53.240 that the new guard's taking over. 290 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:54.519 Oh? 291 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.000 Yeah, And it was a lot a lot of the 292 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.840 it was old school, and a lot of them didn't 293 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:02.720 like the direction the company was going in. But at 294 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.519 the same time they just weren't capable. You mentioned Superstar, 295 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.000 who I had the great opportunity. I got to work 296 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.000 with him and just loved him. He was so he 297 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.200 was very good to me. But he was not in 298 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.120 good shape then and even then, you know, I know 299 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.639 that his hip and it wasn't like he wasn't in 300 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.360 a situation where he was going to go you know, 301 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.120 so people like him, it wasn't like they were really 302 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.200 going to be have the ability to even do to 303 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.120 be a part of that. But you did have people 304 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.240 that just didn't like what Vince was doing with it. Now, 305 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.960 they wanted to be a part of the fact that 306 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.600 they could make a lot more money. 307 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:49.399 But you know, a lot of them, you know, the train. 308 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.720 Had left the station at this point for you know, 309 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.600 people like Bruno and you know, come on, these guys, 310 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.799 no question that laid the tracks, but they weren't going 311 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.759 to be part of this this era that it's gonna happen. 312 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:04.480 It's so sad to see that happening. 313 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.840 But Jim Brunzell replaces Don Morocco on this team now 314 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.559 and again, as I mentioned, Jim Brunzel a year ago 315 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.320 is in Survivor Series in the Big Tag Team ten 316 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.559 on ten tag team match, the Killer Bees are there. 317 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.320 He's not a Killer Bee anymore. He's just Jim Brunzell. 318 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:21.879 And you know. 319 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:25.480 He was a big wrestler before coming into the ww 320 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.480 a former champion, just like his partner be Brian Blair, 321 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.399 also part of the Killer Bees. 322 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.799 Try saying that three times fast, but yet it's hard. 323 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:35.279 It's hard. 324 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.639 I just think it's interesting what happens here is like 325 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.600 you're replacing wrestlers who are part of a match with 326 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.279 people who you're not used to seeing in the singles competition. 327 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.759 Now they're part of a big team. And plus Owen Hart, 328 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.440 the blue Blazer, he's here but right into the matchup 329 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:57.360 great the Hammer of Valentine. Injures Owen Harts, we'll say 330 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.679 blue blazer. According to the six I think that we'll 331 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.360 say testical. If we can say fun, we can say 332 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.960 testical balls. 333 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:10.839 Right he had and go ahead and say it. He 334 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.319 had blue balls, Okay, for other reasons. 335 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.200 Damn it, he told I had to write that joke down. Joke. 336 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:19.240 Brett Hart, though, later said that Owen's heart testicles swelled 337 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:20.680 to the size of a softball. 338 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.279 So it just sounds painful even hearing about. You know, 339 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.839 it's just it's it's like that natural thing. 340 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.880 You see a guy take a shot to the groin, 341 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.880 and you know, when you're a man, you can't help you. 342 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:36.279 It's just kind of ooh yeah uh and god, I 343 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:39.359 can't even imagine the pain that that he must have 344 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:44.079 been in and it sidelined him for a while. But 345 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:50.559 the Blue Blazer, you know, we you're hearing about just 346 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.200 how talented Owen was. I mean, the guy was lighting 347 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:55.680 up before he got to the w w F, he 348 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:58.839 was lighting up the professional wrestling world, you know, going 349 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.720 over in Europe and was you know, a phenom in 350 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.839 a sense because of the stuff. I think he had 351 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:09.000 kind of the same you know, hype going around him 352 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.359 that like Dynamite. 353 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:11.799 Kid had before he arrived. 354 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.000 And when Owen finally got there, they didn't know what 355 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:20.799 to do with them. And I always think the worst 356 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:22.480 thing you can do is you put a mask on 357 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:28.640 the guy, and anytime feathers are involved or sequenced like that, 358 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.839 I mean, let put him out there, show people what 359 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:38.119 he can do, and hopefully they find the right spot, 360 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.160 the right gimmick for him. But it just didn't happen. 361 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.440 And then then he gets hurt, and I don't, you know, 362 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:50.000 there were other things that had physically impacted him, so 363 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.960 it did, you know. The timing of it was just terrible, 364 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.720 and I really felt bad for Owen because and throughout 365 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.720 his career there, you know, I just thought, why can't 366 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:00.559 they figure this south? 367 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:01.759 This guy is so good. 368 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.000 I mean, the stuff that he would do, you know, 369 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.240 stuff he walked, the ropes and the flips and the 370 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.319 what's amazing. And then imagine trying doing that with a 371 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.920 cape on and a mask, where I don't even know. 372 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.240 How you can do that kind of stuff. 373 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.440 It's like doing it in the dark because you've got 374 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.039 no peripheral vision. And yeah, and he would would would 375 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.680 do all this, but uh, you know that was just 376 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.119 so unfortunate. And then and that was a that was 377 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.200 a big injury that had a big impact on him. 378 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.519 Blue balls for the Blue Blazer, Yeah, b Brian Blair 379 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:33.400 and the Killer Bees. 380 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.000 You know, I hated that gimmick. 381 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.039 The weirdest thing about this whole entire pay per view, though, 382 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.599 is Coliseum Video puts out of the adjust tape, but 383 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:48.599 they edit all of the matches except which I consider 384 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.519 the most boring match, the ten on ten tag team match. 385 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.599 So if you got this Coliseum video of this Survivor series, 386 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.799 you got kind of a highlight reel of this matchup. 387 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.079 You know, maybe, But not until two thousand and nine 388 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:05.440 when they did the DVD release packages of all the 389 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.839 Survivor series, is did you finally get the full actual match? 390 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.279 Why do this when you have capabilities to put out 391 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.000 at least two VHS tapes to make double your profits 392 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.680 or change up the settings of VHS tape EPSP if 393 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.440 you don't know, one could be longer, one could be 394 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.400 short up, but the quality was different. Yet cut Why 395 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:29.960 cut these matches but keep the tag team match in full? 396 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.519 That is to this day one of the greatest mysteries 397 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:38.359 because as you said, what we didn't really have a 398 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.319 time constraint on this. As you said, if you know, 399 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.160 if you only had they had, I don't know if 400 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.200 they were ninety minute tapes that you could have and 401 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.720