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Speaker 1: Jingle Mel Jingle Mal jingle mel rock.

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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast? Jason, is this the episode that we

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start with someone plummeting off of the tall building? Or

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is this the episode that we end with someone plummeting

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off of the tall building? Well?

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Speaker 1: I guess we can talk about both today, So I

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guess if you're ready, let's do this. Okay, ready?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 1: Two? Is it one? Two?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 1: And then go? Or do we go on three? Welcome back, everybody.

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We are so excited. This is episode three of the

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Diehard versus Lethal Weapon.

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Speaker 2: This is the last episode of our movie comparisons of

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the year. But we may have something special in store

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just before Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Which will that be a surprise that's right coming Christmas

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Eve or maybe twenty third, We're not sure yet. Quick

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shout out to our new Patreon member Brad Moore. He

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is the executive producer of today's show.

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Speaker 2: Brad, Thank you so much for donating through Patreon. It

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. And here we go with episode.

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Speaker 2: Three, any dingle Heart all of the tales in Western

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Civilization that have a love story and component have a

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guy saving a princess, right, yeah, that's just part of it,

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so absolutely. And then we've got Death of Number two

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and leathal Weapon mister Joshua, Mister Joshua, which is preceded

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by a fight scene, yes, which is really dumb. It's

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a little absurd, It's yes, it is. It's incredibly incredibly dumb,

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and I love watching it. It's every single time. It

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is like the oxygen tank in the mouth of Jaws.

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That's just absurd. But if you've come along this far

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along in the ride, you want that payoff, You're ready

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for it, and you buy in full tilt. You got

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Marta refusing refusing to follow the rules just so that

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riggs can have his fisticuffs with mister Joshua.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but can you imagine coming to end of that movie,

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you have Special Forces Killer one, Special Forces Killer two,

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and they arrest him and take him without a fight.

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Speaker 2: No way, right, right?

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Speaker 1: So Riggs asking for if he wants to shot the title.

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Speaker 2: So cowboy, it is so cowboy, so amazing, and.

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Speaker 1: The entire LA Police Department along with the helicopter say yeah,

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heck yeah, let's let these guys fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then, of course it can't end with just

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a beat up. It's got to end with bullets, right, absolutely,

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bullets from both of our heroes.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And then we have and die Hard, the twist ending,

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the surprise return and resurrection of what we thought was

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the dead villain.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Carl.

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Speaker 2: And who is it that saves the day?

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Speaker 1: Not Roy, No, absolutely not. It's it's Al Palell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has made his transition to he has become

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that thing that he was afraid of becoming again gun. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Listen, when I saw Diehard in the theater. Yeah, and

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I'm not exaggerating, people stood and cheered, Yeah, stood and

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cheered in a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When Al Powell pulled.

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Speaker 2: His gun yep. Because it's freaking awesome, right, and the

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guy who you just think is the fat twinkie eating

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can't drive a car cop is ultimately the guy who

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saves the hero in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean too.

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Speaker 2: And that brings us to the end. Happy endings in

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both movies. Happy ending for die Hard. You get kiss

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in the window of the limo as they drive away

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into the sunset. I realize it's not into the sunset,

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but it looks.

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Speaker 1: Like it, right, it could be, And you get that

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great line from Argyle. This is their idea of Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Year's right while it's snowing, bear bonds right because it

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doesn't snow in La No, it's fantastic now. The ending

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for Leith a Weapon, unsurprisingly by Shane Black, was not

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supposed to be a happy ending. It was a parting

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of ways, we're not going to see each other anymore.

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to have the Hollywood ending.

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Speaker 1: They filled it. Did you see that scene?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so. Yeah, it's depressing. It's depressing, yes, now, and

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Shane Shane Black is kind of big on this. You know,

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doesn't like the Hollywood endings, which is why Riggs dies

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at the end of his Lethal Weapon twy script that

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Speaker 1: Rigs it gets shot nineteen times at the end of

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leath Weapon two right, and is like and lives and

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worries about you know, throw little cigarettes away.

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Speaker 2: What we do get is the moment where he hands

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the bullet over right. We realize that he does. He

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says it he doesn't need it anymore because at the

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beginning of the movie he was alone. He meets this guy.

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by the end he has a new family.

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Speaker 1: He does, He's been adopted into the Murtav family. He says,

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if you think I'm gonna eat the world's worst Christmas

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tinner by myself, you're crazy. And Rick says, I'll tell

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you a little secret. I'm not crazy. Yeah, it's great,

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love it. It's an ending with a Christmas bow on top.

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Speaker 2: Yeap. As a kid of the eighties, I like Hollywood endings,

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absolutely right. I don't want my hero to die at

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Speaker 1: No, no, which is why we hated the last Jedi.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that does it for me for the plot.

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You got anything else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got tia, but it's coming out my nose.

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Come all right, So here's a few things for you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that Leonard Nimoy was originally supposed to

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direct Leth the Weapon? No? Yeah, okay, so Leonard Nimoy

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ended up doing three Minutes a baby instead of Leth

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, kind of interesting. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's a point in the movie at the beginning Murta

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tells Riggs that Huntsacker saved his life in a certain

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battle in Vietnam. Right, Bell Gibson portrays this exact battle,

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and we were soldiers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. We were soldiers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got something that's going to blow away. Okay, okay,

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here you go. This is gonna blow you No, no, no,

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I got something that's gonna blow you wad Okay, this

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will blow your doors off.

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Speaker 1: The bretta that Mel Gibson uses in this film is

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the same prop gun used in die Hard that Bruce

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Willis tapes to his back. What same gun? No, same gun? Okay,

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according to my extensive internet research, same gun. According to

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an obscure webs law. Okay. A running gag in the

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Lethal Weapon movies is the one two wait wait wait

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dude like three? Right this running gag? Part two yes,

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when Myrta is on the toilet, Yes, toilet bomb. But

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Lethal Weapon, when they are singing Silent Night, when the

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cops are seen in Silent Night so bad they can't

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they can't figure out when they're going to start. That's right, Yeah,

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this most recent time. It wasn't until this most recent time.

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Speaker 1: Wait, the cops keep starting too soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right. A couple of things on Diehard that you

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may not know. Yes, Hans Booby.

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Speaker 1: Hans Booby, I'm your White Knight.

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Speaker 2: Improvised line by ellis totally so when you see Hans's reaction,

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when you see Alan Rickman's reaction, it's genuine because he

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Speaker 1: I must have missed sixty minutes. What are you saying,

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can we let's talk about Elis for one second. Okay,

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he is the biggest sleeves ball. Huh cokehead, yep, scumbag. Right,

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here's something that I have a theory on. You ready

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for this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, they make.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, here's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I think Ellis

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asked somebody there if they had any coke, probably right,

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that's probably right, and they went and got him Coca cola.

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Speaker 2: Here's one for you. Okay, Okay. So they brought in

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humor in there. Yep. He first meets Bruce Willis. They're

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only five years age difference. Stephens Desuza is five years

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older than Bruce Willis. Okay, and they start talking and

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they realized that they grew up in the same area. Oh,

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was raised. They knew some of the same hangouts. They're

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having a good time. They start talking about old TV

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shows that they liked, and one of the old TV

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shows that they liked was Roy Rogers Call Me Roy. Yeah,

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and they both start talking about Yippi kaya and how

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much they like that line, and the SUSA says, I'm

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to get that in the movie. And so that's how

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Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Yes, let's talk about that line.

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Speaker 2: For a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, Okay, we are a PG thirteen podcast.

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so don't turn us off. But that line, Yeah, Bruce

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like whispered, subtle, brilliant. He sprinkles f words throughout diehard. Okay,

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they're all over the place, but this one is a

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freaking cruise missile, right, And he says it was such

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cool and such style. Yes, and it's one of the

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greatest movie lines of all time that I can't say

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on this podcast. Yes, Yippi kaye. Yeah, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: So at one point they had been filming all day,

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all day long, de Susan goes home as soon as

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he walks in the doors two o'clock in the morning.

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him up and says, you got to come back. He's like,

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what why? He goes These morons built the vents.

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Speaker 3: To spec so they had this whole plan that Bruce

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they build them as normal size vents, which is why

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Speaker 2: Tight enclosed moment. And so Desusa comes back, and that's

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We'll get together, we'll have a few less That one

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feels like to be a TV dinner. That was Bruce

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There's no freaking way that any human being can fall

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that far and catch them. The stuntman was supposed to

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal. The stuntman was supposed to grab that ledge. Yes,

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he slipped, fell, hit the air, bag like four stories down. Oh,

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Speaker 2: We'll just cut it that. Yeah, cut to his fingers,

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to his fingers. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Hey, did you know there's one scene in particular Bruce

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can run across the glass. Yeah, shoot the glass.

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supposed to be German. He says something in German, Carl

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doesn't understand, and so then he says in English, shoot

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the glass. Because he's not talking us. He's not talking,

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he's talking to the audience. Right, So good. I got

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that you get your exposition through the arguments of the characters.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like that's an amazing thing.

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a great exposition moment in Raiders because he's teaching the

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government guys about the arc, right, and so it's this opportunity.

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a long story. It's not an argument. And the same

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time travel because they're document documenting everything with the TV.

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of that one character telling a long exposition type of thing.

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It's all just an exchange, like them trying to paper thin, right,

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this idea that there's something more going on than just

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Al Powell or those conversations that really informs the audience

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about what's going on. I just I thought that was

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, a couple of little tidbits on Lethal Weapon.

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there is a bumper sticker that's taped to the Murtaz

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refrigerator that says and apartheid. In part two, the bad

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guys are South African. Also Riggs's wife Vicky Riggs. Yes,

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Victoria Riggs. Yeah, she was killed by the South African

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bad guys that you find out that part too, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, let's talk about sequels. Here's an interesting thing,

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you know. I talked about how Bill and Ted face

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really think about it, but that kind of was the

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way movies started out until Leith A Weapon Too. Leth

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a Weapon Too is really if I'm looking back, it's

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the first movie that I can think of where you

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start in the middle of the action and it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you just start at adventure. You're in

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the middle of a car chase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like the opening title sequence, Rigs is pounding the ceiling.

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I love this job. It's full throttle. Right out of

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the gate. Leath the Weapon two has a lot more humor.

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and it's absolutely fun. You still have Crazy Rigs. It's

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way more funny.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. It's certainly got its way. It's way dark

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in spot. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you've got the death

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of the hot South African girl. Yeah. I can't remember

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her name, but anyway.

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Speaker 1: Which I don't know if you know this or not,

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you can google deleted scenes for Leath.

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Speaker 2: Weapon two show her mispronouncing her name. Yes, pronounce it's

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her name like five yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You could also see a original ending where she's having

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Thanksgiving dinner with Riggs and mertas she lived the first

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time through. Oh wow, But they changed it because they

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wanted Crazy Rigs to come out.

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Speaker 2: So I get great. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Leath the Weapon two, love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Leath Weapon three fun with the one on gently No, that's.

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Speaker 2: Four okay, that's the one where we get Rene Russo

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Speaker 1: You get Renee Russo in part three she's introduced, but

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part two you get Leo gets introduced.

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Speaker 2: Which is Joe Pesci fantastic, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I asked my wife what her favorite part

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of Leith the Weapon was, yes, all she could tell

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me was Leo gets line. Right, okay, No, they have

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you the drive through, yeah okay, and then it progresses.

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So two three four you have jet Lee and.

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Speaker 2: You by the way, sorry before we go too far.

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That Leo gets part was originally written for John Lovetts.

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John Lovett's part and Three Amigos. They saw that and

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that was the inspiration for Leo gets part. They wrote

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it for John LOVETTZ. Joe Eschi is Edged Indoor.

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Speaker 1: Remember love Love love that character.

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Speaker 1: So two three four of Leeth Weapon, you yourself just

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said you can kind of missmash them because they're all great, right,

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I mean great is a strong, they're all fun.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to talk about five?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about five.

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Speaker 2: Five is in the works.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Mel Gibson is sixty four years old.

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Speaker 1: What's Danny Glover? If he was fifty and eighty seven,

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that means he's eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Dick Donner is ninety and he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: Good for him, for ear least web in five.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I don't know what they're gonna do with it,

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but sure, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah, yeah, yes, more old. He was too old

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for it in eighty seven, and he's not.

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Speaker 2: Too old for anyone.

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Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, okay, die Hard sequels. Okay, die Hard

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Part one one of the greatest action movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: Ar you believe, the perfect action movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue against that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Part two good, good, very good.

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Speaker 2: Again. You trade in your German mercenaries for your American mercenaries.

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You've got a couple of bad guys to be concerned about.

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You've got the confined space again. It is right, Yes,

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I mean it is. It is another die Hard. It

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for sure is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a step down, but who wouldn't step down from

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a ten?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's still a very good movie. Yes, okay.

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Part three, Diehard with the Vengeance. It's good, it's good,

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It's okay, it's okay. He's running around New York City

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trying to figure out clues. Simon says, this, do that

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and this that was written as a lethal weapon sequel.

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What Diehard with a Vengeance was originally written as a

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Lethal Weapon sequel. Oh my gosh, wow, So there you go.

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Speaker 2: So Shane Black tells a story about going to he

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did the rewrites for Last Action.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, okay, right, the last movie that I walk

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out of, right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And what I understand is John McTurnan rewrote the rewrites,

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which is why you have such a terrible movie. And

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so it comes out and obviously everybody felt about the

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same way that you did. Yeah, it was not a

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well received movie at all. And so they have their

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after party where everybody can't talk about the movie. Well,

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food sure is good. So and so she Black tells

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the story of how he like after that is over.

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He and Arnold and John mcdernan are sitting there having

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a beer together. I just can't even imagine that, but

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talking about it, and basically they changed the subject to

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Diehard with a Vengeance and John mcdernon starts smiling again

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because he was totally defeated after Last Action. Hero did

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so badly, but he was he came back to direct

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Diehard with a Vengeance.

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Speaker 1: What about Diehard four and five?

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Speaker 2: I didn't even watch their crap. Yeah they're crap. Yeah, Well,

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here's what happens. He turns into the invincible hero. Right. Yeah,

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he went from a flawed hero which we love and

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can identify with, to Superman who it's it's not interesting.

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Speaker 1: The action was absurd, So sequels I definitely. Oh and

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Lethal Weapon has a TV show that was well received

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until the guy who played Martin Riggs got fired. Yeah,

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that's that's a story for another day, right, But the

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sequels for Lethal Weapon are definitely stronger than the sequels

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for Diehard.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe my favorite sequel to die Hard right

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now is the Diehard Battery commercial. That is where he

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crashes through the window and says, I'm going to need

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one of those and then.

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Speaker 1: Hops into the Great Man. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, little note on John mctarne. Did you know

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that he was arrested and then went to prison. What

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So we're talking about one of the biggest directors of

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the eighties and nineties. He is potentially a guy who

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can call his own shot, right, Yeah, for sure. So

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there's even after the last Action, even after the last

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Action Hero, he still got tired with a vengeance. He's

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still got a ton of movies to his credit. And

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then he hires this guy.

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Speaker 1: Named Anthony Pelicano.

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Speaker 2: He was a private investigator, also a fixer, also a

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really slimy guy, and was used by a lot of

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Hollywood folks and basically got a lot of dirt on

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a whole lot of Hollywood folks as well. So he

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used him to spy on his wife whenever they were

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getting a divorce, and then he also called him back

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up again whenever he was directing the movie Rollerball, because

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he was worried that this producer on Rollerball was trying

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to sabotage him, and so he wanted to have this

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guy check and make sure he wasn't sabotaging him. Well,

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this guy's tactics were not legal in the strictest sense

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of the word, and he got in some big trouble

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with the FEDS, and so an FBI agent calls John

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mcturnaon and says, hey, have you ever used this Anthony

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Pelicana as a private investigator? John mcturn and says, yeah,

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I used him whenever I was going through my divorce.

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So I had him, you know, do some investigation of

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my wife. And they have the investigators like anything else,

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and John return says, no.

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Speaker 1: That's a lie.

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Speaker 2: That would be lying. That would be lying to a

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federal officer, which is a felony offense. And so ultimately,

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I don't want to go into the big story of it,

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but you know, he agreed to do four months and

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then he withdrew it and then ended up doing twelve

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months in prison, filed for bankruptcy while he was in

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prison and lost. I mean, it's gosh, huge, huge deal

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for this guy who's like at the top of the wave.

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I mean, it's just crazy that somebody at that position

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could lose it all. Its tragic.

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Speaker 1: It is the guy who directed Predator, the guy who

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directed Diehard, Last Action Hero Hunt Forred October. This guy

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went to jail and lost it all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk composers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before you do that. I got one little titbit

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that I wanted to throw in and that I forgot

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to do it. The other day, when John is plucking

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glass out of his feet, al Pal is like, how

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you doing, and he makes the comment he says, all

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things being equal, I'd rather be in Philadelphia. Yes, okay, this,

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I've heard this quote my entire life. I knew was

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referencing something, but I didn't know until I started looking

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I know it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of those things. This is the

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trivia card I would get. I know this. This is

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the last words in W. C. Fields. Yeah, yes, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So W. C. Fields was born and raised in Philadelphia

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and would often poke fun at his hometown. And basically

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the reference was the grave was just slightly worse than

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being in Philadelphia. But the interesting thing. So this is

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a famous W. C. Fields quote President Reagan. After he

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was shot, he wrote on a note, They said how

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do you feel? And he said, all in all, I'd

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Okay, So let's talk composers. Okay, except that we're

469
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,599
not going to talk composers. We're going to talk composer

470
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,079
because it's the same guy for both movies. So Michael

471
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,759
Kaman is a guy who has a huge library of

472
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,079
film work. I mean, it's amazing. And he's not one

473
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,640
of those ones that pops up like Con Zimmer or

474
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,519
John Williams or any of those guys that I did

475
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,680
not know his name before we started looking into this,

476
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,720
but it's huge. He's I mean, his music work is huge,

477
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,920
and he was a guy who was classically trained but

478
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,599
also just had a love for all kinds of music,

479
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,119
and he did stuff with so many rock and rolls artists.

480
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,599
I don't think I could possibly list them all. Wanted

481
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,039
to be a composer's whole life. But he started off

482
00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,480
arranging music with Pink Floyd for the movie The Wall.

483
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:05,519
But he worked with Roger Waters, David Gilmore, Queen. He

484
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:08,640
did the orchestration for Who Wants to Live Forever from Highland,

485
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,119
was the composer for Highlander, worked with Eric Clapton Aerosmith.

486
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,359
He did the live orchestral part for Dreamson. He worked

487
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,119
with Bond Jovi. He worked with the Arrhythmics, Metallica on

488
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,240
the Nothing Else Matters and their whole that Whole live

489
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,640
album that they did the ES and M he was

490
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:33,720
the s part. He was the symphony for their Metallica's

491
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,240
That's Fantastic. Why have we not heard of this guy?

492
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,160
I don't know. I don't know. He passed away like

493
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480
in November eighteenth, two thousand and three, of a heart attack.

494
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960
But he got called on to work on leth the Weapon,

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,599
and he said, no, I'm not interested in action movies.

496
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:48,559
I don't like action movies. I don't want to do them,

497
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,119
and I think it might have been Eric Clapton that

498
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,119
persuaded him to become involved with the movie, because you've

499
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680
got two themes going on with leith a Weapon. You've

500
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,799
got the sex theme, Sexy Sax, and you've got the

501
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:10,160
guitar theme. So the Sacks theme is Roger Marta, the

502
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,279
guitar theme is Martin Riggs. And then he goes on

503
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,240
to do action movie after action movie after action movie.

504
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,680
So after Lethal Weapon, he did Adventures and Babysitting.

505
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: Nobody gets out of Here without playing the Blues.

506
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: He did Renegades, he did License to Kill, he did Roadhouse,

507
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,960
he did Lethal Weapon two, he did Die Hard too.

508
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,559
He did Nothing but Trouble. He did Hudson Hawk, he

509
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,799
did Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. He did The Last

510
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,240
Boy Scout, he did Tales from the Crypt, he did

511
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,119
Lethal Weapon three, he did Last Action Hero, he did

512
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,359
The Three Musketeers, he did Don Juan de Marco. I

513
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,319
mean it just goes on and on and on. I

514
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,559
mean it's and then he in ninety five he did

515
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,319
Mister Hollands Opus and oh yeah, you're a fan, right, yeah, yeah.

516
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,799
So after that he started his own foundation called Mister

517
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Holland's Foundation that would provide used musical equipment for underprivileged sklls. Yeah,

518
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:08,880
it's great.

519
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned Eric Clapton. Eric Clapton actually does play the

520
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,599
guitar for the leath of Weapon rigs theme.

521
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Obviously he's got the leth of Weapon theme. And then

522
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,720
of course he did the music for Diehard as well,

523
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,279
and it is I mean, we know it's Beethoven, right,

524
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:23,640
we know.

525
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: It's absolutely joy, yes, but I.

526
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,759
Speaker 2: Mean in order to do that, you have to be

527
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,880
able to take that and not only cut it down,

528
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,559
but slip it in and make it relevant to what's

529
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,720
going on in the film. And he did it so well.

530
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:43,200
I mean that music is perfect throughout. He uses it

531
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,200
throughout the movie along with the little jingle bells to

532
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,559
make sure that we remember that this is a Christmas movie.

533
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, you know you talked about it at the

534
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,480
beginning at the Christmas party. Yeah, there is a four

535
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,279
piece orchestra at the Christmas party playing Ode to Joy.

536
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,000
That's diegetic music, diagetic music again, and he does slip

537
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,119
it in. He teases you with it. And then when

538
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,440
they open the vault and Hans and theo are raiding

539
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,880
the place, you get oh to joy a full tilt right,

540
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,680
it's peak.

541
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: Yes, at that peak moment, and then what does he say?

542
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,559
Merry Christmas?

543
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,559
Speaker 1: It's time. Okay, we've been waiting.

544
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to talk about it now.

545
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,359
Speaker 1: So here's the deal. We've been teasing this. I have

546
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640
my own battles with my sister. She and I go

547
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,200
back and forth on this. I have a friend, Dana Smith.

548
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,599
She likes to poke the bear when she teases me

549
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,759
about this. Are these Christmas movies?

550
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: D Let's go they are definitely Christmas movies. That's not

551
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,279
just an opinion. We can we can establish this through

552
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,839
empirical and now of the evidence in front of us.

553
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,680
So okay, despite the fact that Bruce Willis caused a

554
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,079
stir about three years ago whenever he during his roast,

555
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,640
he made this point of I only did this to

556
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,799
say that this that die Hard is not a Christmas movie. Okay,

557
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,440
I'll due respect, Bruce. You didn't write the movie, that's right.

558
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,599
You know who wrote the movie, Stephen, Stephen Jesus. You

559
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,079
know what Stephen and Susan says.

560
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,119
Speaker 1: It's the greatest Christmas movie of all time.

561
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and he even created a chart. He created a

562
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,480
chart to prove his point, and.

563
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,079
Speaker 1: We'll go through that.

564
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,079
Speaker 2: And he just obviously he just has die Hard that

565
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,079
he's taken off these points on. But let's look at

566
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,240
both Leath the Weapon and die Hard and the movie

567
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,559
White Christmas. Who know one no one would argue that

568
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960
White Christmas is not a Christmas movie. But let's look

569
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640
at them all side by side. And you tell us,

570
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,480
after this empirical analysis of the evidence in front of us,

571
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,359
what you think. All right, let's go all right side

572
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,680
by side. Here we go. Okay, takes place during Christmas holiday.

573
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Die Hard, yes, takes place entirely during Christmas Eve, right, absolutely, Okay,

574
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,640
Lethal Weapon takes place week at the most, but clearly

575
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,559
first scene is him buying Christmas trees when he makes

576
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,799
his drug bust. Last scene is You're not gonna make

577
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,720
me eat the worst Christmas dinner by myself. And so

578
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,119
obviously the whole movie takes place during the Christmas holiday. Yep,

579
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,640
White Christmas final reel, only the rest of the movie

580
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720
does not take place during the Christmas holiday a all

581
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:42,440
right setting, Okay, die Hard obviously yes, Christmas part right, yep.

582
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,000
But we know from the movie in Lethal Weapon that

583
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200
they are preparing for some sort of party because they

584
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,039
have the quartet of officers practicing singing Silent Nights, So

585
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,799
there has to be some sort of event, which is

586
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,759
why they're prepping for this, which, as you mentioned, was

587
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,279
really the birth of is it do we go on

588
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440
three or do we go one two three? Then go?

589
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,799
That's right, that was the birth of that. But still

590
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,559
they're singing in preparation. They're practicing in preparation for something.

591
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,440
So again, you have a Christmas party, White Christmas again,

592
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,559
only the final real.

593
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,839
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on one second before we move off from

594
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Silent Night.

595
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

596
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,799
Speaker 1: Do you know the name of the composer of Silent Night?

597
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:30,799
The original Austrian composer's name is Franz Gruber. No, yes,

598
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,759
what Franz Gruber?

599
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,839
Speaker 2: Wow? Oh my gosh. That's the point, die Hard, that's

600
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,799
really amazing. All right. So number of Christmas songs so

601
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,559
far White Christmas is losing two out of two battles,

602
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:53,400
right right, Okay, so number of Christmas songs in Lethal Weapon.

603
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,920
We have the beginning song jingle Bo Rock, jing Bell Rock.

604
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: We have the.

605
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,559
Speaker 2: Quartet of officers singing Silent Night, yes, and we also

606
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:04,119
have what.

607
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,799
Speaker 1: Else you've got the Bugs Bunny Holiday special playing in

608
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:08,559
the background.

609
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: That counts.

610
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: When Riggs is looking down the barrel of his own.

611
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Gun, that counts.

612
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: That counts.

613
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: So die Hard has three. It has let it snow,

614
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,519
it has Winter Wonderland, and it has Christmas in Hollis

615
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:25,960
by run dp MC and so three three, and what

616
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,119
does White Christmas have? It has White Christmas and snow.

617
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,480
And that's it again, three for three. White Christmas is

618
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,880
losing to both die Hard and leave the Weapon as

619
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,440
a Christmas movie. Now at this point, Steven DeSUS it

620
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
gets a little bit weird. It gets like he's talking

621
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
about the party venue being threatened and die Hard is

622
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,599
by terrorists and White Christmas is by foreclosure. I think

623
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,000
that just makes the point that Diehard's more exciting, not

624
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,000
necessarily that it's a better movie.

625
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: And then he mentions that, you know, the German ring leader.

626
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Is Hans Gruber and die Hard and a White Christmas

627
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,160
is Hitler, And so the point goes to White Christmas

628
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,799
on that one, again for weighty value, but not necessarily

629
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,759
for Christmas. But if we're looking at Christmas stuff, really,

630
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,079
then what we have to look at this is the

631
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,039
key christ like sacrifice Leath a Weapon. Mel Gibson is

632
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,480
hanging by his hands after being tortured and refuses to

633
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,359
talk in a sacrifice to save his partner and his daughter.

634
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:31,000
Obviously at christ Like sacrifice for sure. John McLane, running

635
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:37,599
barefoot across the glass, has his feet pierced in order

636
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
to save his wife and the rest of the people.

637
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,599
Again obvious christ Like sacrifice. What's the sacrifice in White Christmas?

638
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,799
Danny Kay has to upgrade Vera Ellen's train ticket. I'm

639
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,119
going to say without question that both Leath a Weapon

640
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,359
and die Hard beat White Christmas without any hesitation as

641
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:01,319
Christmas movies.

642
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: This is not a fight, This is an execution. I've

643
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,039
got a few other things to throw on the pile,

644
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,119
all right. So die Hard is essentially about a husband

645
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,360
and a wife desperate to get their family back together

646
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,000
for Christmas. Yes, okay, Leath a Weapon, It's all about

647
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:25,880
a family taking in someone without a family. It's an adoption, yep. Okay.

648
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,519
There are gifts given in Leath a Weapon. In Diehart, Okay,

649
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,920
the gifts given in Diehart, the Rolex McLain gives his

650
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:39,079
gun two hans Yeah, okay. He then takes it immediately back. Yeah,

651
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,079
and no bullet. Oh, no bullets. What do you think

652
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,480
I'm having stupids? Okay, the bad guys give themselves the

653
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,199
biggest Christmas present of the movie, and then McLain gives

654
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,719
himself his own gun at the perfect time, wrapped with

655
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,679
season greetings gift tape.

656
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: If that doesn't tell you Christmas, when when the camera

657
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,199
pans back and you see a gun taped to his

658
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,679
back with the tape saying seasons greetings on the tape

659
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,159
and the music is going Jeans, it's fantastic. Yeah, tell

660
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:13,920
me again, it's not a Christmas movie.

661
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,199
Speaker 1: Bruce Leath a weapon. At the end of Leath the weapon,

662
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,079
Rigs gives Roger a gift wrapped hollow tip bullet, actually

663
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,320
gives its Rhiann. She's like, it's a bullet. He's like, yeah,

664
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,119
it's bullet. What he's saying is I'm not suicidal anymore,

665
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:26,639
thanks to you.

666
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,159
Speaker 2: Right.

667
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: That's Christmas spirit?

668
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: Is it not Christmas? All over the place?

669
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,079
Speaker 1: And then you have tons of Christmas reverences like twas

670
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,159
the Night before Christmas?

671
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:34,679
Speaker 2: You know THEO.

672
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: Hans even says it's Christmas time, THEO. It's the time

673
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,559
for miracles.

674
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:39,559
Speaker 2: Yes, and then of.

675
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,119
Speaker 1: Course you have Now I have a machine gun. Ho

676
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,000
ho ho, with the Santa hat on, with the Santa

677
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,280
had on. Absolutely, and then leath the weapon. You've got

678
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Christmas lights, You've got the Christmas tree, You've got the

679
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Christmas fight in the front yard. Oh wait, is that

680
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,519
just my family?

681
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: No, everybody has a Chris. Everybody has a front yard

682
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Christmas fight.

683
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: Everybody leave the weapon has Christmas tree? Is Caroline presence?

684
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,599
Snow those girls were messing around with snow.

685
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and die Hard it's snowing the barapons.

686
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely music, as you said, John McLean's wife's name, this

687
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,599
is the key. It's Holly.

688
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: It is so brilliant you you totally call that, and

689
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840
I can't believe I overlooked it. But knowing that, you

690
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,800
have to say, this is not only a Christmas movie,

691
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,480
it is deliberately a Christmas movie.

692
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: Main themes of both movies family, love, joy, peace. Okay,

693
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:42,960
are we ready to move to final judgment?

694
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 2: Let's do it?

695
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, am I going first?

696
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,559
Speaker 2: You're going first? All right?

697
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: Final judgment. I love both of these movies, and I

698
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,760
can't stress that. I know I say that every time.

699
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,360
Both of these movies are automatic watches. If I'm passing

700
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,239
by the channel and I see Leath the Weapon, I'm stopping.

701
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,920
If I see die I'm stopping. If I see die Hard,

702
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,679
I'm stopping. I'm throwing my remote behind me. It's I'm

703
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,480
not changing the channel. Okay, it doesn't matter to me.

704
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Lethal Weapon is the best buddy cop and maybe the

705
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,280
best movie of nineteen eighty seven, a movie packed full

706
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,119
of Eighties gems. It's my favorite movie of nineteen eighty seven.

707
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Die Hard is in the conversation for best movie ever

708
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,679
for me. Okay, so I do love wholeheartedly both of

709
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these movies. I love the Lethal Weapon franchise more, but

710
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,079
I love die Hard as a standalone movie the most.

711
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,599
For me, it's die Hard.

712
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Speaker 2: I feel like he kind of stole my thunder there.

713
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Speaker 1: About time.

714
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Speaker 2: I just always wanted to say that. I mean, it's

715
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,239
the end of the season here, we're done. I just

716
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:56,519
wanted to be able to say it. Okay, Yeah, So

717
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,360
two absolutely brilliant movies, without question. If they're on, I'm

718
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,719
watching no hesitation. So the question is which one's better

719
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,800
of these two amazing movies. Diehard is arguably the perfect

720
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:16,840
action movie. It has little bits of action intermixed with

721
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,119
comedy and story and struggles, and it is brilliant from

722
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,519
beginning to end. Lethal Weapon is fantastic, but it has

723
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,840
some flaws. The fight scene that you just mentioned, the

724
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,039
holiday fight in the yard, that is ridiculous. That is

725
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:38,320
just plain ridiculous. The suspense music as we're waiting and

726
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,039
waiting and waiting for the cars to drive up in

727
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,519
the desert is just UnrealEd. I'm like, guys, I know

728
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,280
you spend a lot of money on this shot, but

729
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,800
you could have had this done about a minute and

730
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,400
a half ago. Let's move on. And then the worst

731
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,800
scene in the movie is at the very beginning where

732
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Roger Murtaz in the bathtub and his family comes in,

733
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and he doesn't hide the turtle head floating up out

734
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,239
of the water. He just lets him sing Happy Birthday

735
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
and gets a kiss from his daughter, and then sexy

736
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,800
music starts playing. I don't know, That's just there are

737
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,400
some things that just can't be excused in this movie,

738
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and so for that reason, I have to say Diehard

739
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,400
wins as the better of these two movies. Now, you

740
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,920
make an important point, franchise to franchise, Lethal Weapon wins

741
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,559
hands down. Close. Leth the Weapon franchise is great. I

742
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,239
can't wait to see what they do with five Richard

743
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,079
Donners ninety and he's gonna do something amazing, I'm sure

744
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,840
of it. Die Haard was pretty good after the second

745
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,960
one was about the last good one. Really, I mean

746
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,239
some people like the third one. I don't really care

747
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,639
for it. And then he becomes this hero that you

748
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,079
can't be, which was I mean, the whole reason we

749
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,960
loved it was how human he was. And so I

750
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,000
am disappointed with where die Hard wind So there, I

751
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,920
am franchise the franchise. Lethal Weapon wins, but we're not

752
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,480
comparing franchises. We're comparing the movies and movie to movie.

753
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,920
Without question, die Hard wins.

754
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: The day, all the leather outside. What the fie best

755
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,360
Christmas movie of all time?

756
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,559
Speaker 2: That might be pushing in a little bit.

757
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Speaker 1: Let us hear from you, guys, what is your favorite

758
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,119
of these two die Hard versus Leath the Weapon. Tell

759
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us what your favorite.

760
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,519
Speaker 2: Christmas movie is of all time? Yeah?

761
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,679
Speaker 1: Maybe you're a Christmas vacation guy, or maybe you're an

762
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,079
Elf guy yeah or girl?

763
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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys were at the end of season one, we've

764
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,599
covered so many movies so many albums, so much stuff.

765
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Write in and tell us what's your favorite. Right in

766
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,360
and tell us what you want to see. We love

767
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,639
hearing these things. We've got guys who have supported us

768
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:52,199
on Patreon. We have got guys who communicate constantly with

769
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,679
us via email, via Facebook, via Twitter, and we love it.

770
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,320
Keep doing it. Come in, join the conversation. This is

771
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,000
what we do. It war is to make connections with

772
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,159
folks like you, Jason, Merry.

773
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Speaker 1: Christmas, the Merry Christmas.

774
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Speaker 2: We will see you all next year. No, let us know, let.

775
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Us know, and we finally kiss good night. Oh I

776
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hate going out