WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:05.719 Hey, this is Alisander Giuliani, doctor Emil Hamilton on Smallville 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:17.679 and you are listening to Always hold on to Smallville. Enjoy. 3 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.320 Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast, 4 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.039 we talk about each and every episode of Young Superman Show. 5 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.399 They were from two thousand and one to twenty eleven 6 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.560 on the WB and the CW. I'm her host Sach Moore, 7 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:10.159 and I'm joined by the hosts of the All Star 8 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:15.120 super Fan podcast, Rob O'Connor, Hello, glad to be back, 9 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:16.200 and Alan. 10 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.959 Burke, glad to be back. Too great to see is ech. 11 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:20.920 I don't think I've had you both on at the 12 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:22.120 same time before. 13 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.120 We did an episode of Always Held On to the 14 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:26.680 Flash together. I think that's right. 15 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.280 Was the Flash? It was the Flash, yes, But as 16 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.000 far as Smallville goes, I think just for various scheduled 17 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.319 reasons and whatnot, I had you both at the same 18 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:37.120 time in the same place. 19 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.319 So actually I'm supposed to be on the last episode 20 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.719 I was on, and there was a last minute work 21 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:43.599 thing or something, wasn't. 22 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.719 There, Ellen, there was, that's right, Silver Ranchi episode. Yes, 23 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:48.599 that was it. That was good, that was it, and 24 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.280 yeah it was figured out. She wasn't even Irish though, Alan, so. 25 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.000 She wasn't even Irish. That was a great episode. I 26 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.159 enjoyed listen to it. Yeah, I got caught up work, 27 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.359 I was, I was heartbroken. But yeah, no, that that 28 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.000 was a great episod. 29 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.120 I want to have you both on here in the 30 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.439 final season of Smallville. Listen. I do a lot of podcasting. 31 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:07.159 I listened to a lot of podcasts, and one of 32 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.919 my favorite other Superman podcasts is y'all's podcasts, So I 33 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:11.879 always enjoy whenever it drops in my feed. I'm like 34 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.240 looking forward to these guys have to say. Also, your 35 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.280 podcast is very long, much like mine, so it makes 36 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:17.719 it feel good that other people talk for two and 37 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:18.879 a half hours about. 38 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.599 This nonsense, sometimes longer. 39 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.919 Yeah, I mean for me. I mean for me. I'm 40 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.680 talking about a forty five in episode for two hours, 41 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:28.599 which is ridiculous, And you guys are at least talking 42 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.680 about a lot of things over two and a half hours. 43 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.520 So there you have it. But we're here in Smallville 44 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.759 season ten. Rob let's start with you. Just do you 45 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.560 ever think about Smallville season ten? But he doesn't even 46 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.599 when you think of small Ovil season ten, what do 47 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:42.759 you think of what are your thoughts of it? 48 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.960 When I think of Smallville Season ten, I think of 49 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.120 the ending, obviously, the final episode of the much discussed 50 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:53.520 final episode, one of the most disclosed episodes of the 51 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.719 of the whole series, I would wager, and one of 52 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.960 the most screen grabbed episodes of the of the whole series, 53 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.680 because it has the shirt ripping. I also think of 54 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.639 the thriller jacket and how much I hate it. Yes, 55 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:09.080 and I usually and I think it's something that's gonna 56 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.439 come up tonight. I think of season ten as basically 57 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.520 just a Superman show at that point, and that that 58 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.039 would be probably my biggest issue with it. I was, 59 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.159 by the way, fully back watching every single episode of 60 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.800 the show as they were airing by this point, so 61 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.719 I've seen this one at the time and probably not since, 62 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.120 but I was I was fully back engaged in Smallville, 63 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.639 having really enjoyed season nine, so this one was familiar 64 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.680 to me when I watched it today. But those are 65 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:41.240 usually for me. Actually, to answer your question, when I 66 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.280 think of Smallville in general, I think it's like seasons one, two, three, 67 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.520 and then season nine and ten. It's that chunk in 68 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.800 the middle where I kind of just haven't really engaged 69 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:51.400 it at all. 70 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:56.599 Those middle five seasons, that middle half of the show. Yes, yeah, 71 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.240 oh no, I hear you there. I mean obviously I 72 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.439 was there the whole time, but other shows I've watched, 73 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.520 I too have jumped on at the end, like, oh well, 74 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:07.840 I got to see how this all turns out. So 75 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.520 I'm going to tune into the last season, So sometimes 76 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.360 the last episode, but sometimes the last season time allowing 77 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.519 So I feel that. But alan about you Smavel season ten. 78 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:18.120 Were you watching at the time or do you have 79 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.120 any thoughts on when you hear the words Smovel season ten? 80 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:22.800 Does that even conjure up a memory for you? 81 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.000 It does? Similar to Rob, I had come back to 82 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.600 watching it at that point. I had kind of phased 83 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:34.360 out of it around season six, seven eight, Like Rob, 84 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:35.759 that's kind of a blank to me. A lot of 85 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:37.600 those episodespecial when we go back and watch them now. 86 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.560 But I knowing that it was the final season and 87 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.279 we're going to finally get a conclusion, I ventured back 88 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.519 to small though, and for the most part, I really 89 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.519 enjoyed it. Again. Like Rob said, the finale is the 90 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.160 thing that sticks out in my mind, and how disappointed. 91 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.279 I was with that for various reasons that I'm sure 92 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:57.920 loads of people have spoken about it knowsium already. 93 00:04:58.639 --> 00:04:59.800 No, I don't know what you're talking about. 94 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:06.040 I haven't revisited as I. As I said last night, 95 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.839 I actually had to remove the plastic covering on my 96 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.399 Season ten DVD, which I purchased at the time in 97 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.160 twenty eleven, twenty twelve, whenever that came out, because I 98 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.319 bought the single seasons as they as they came out, 99 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:17.959 even the ones I hadn't been keeping up with. When 100 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.319 I saw them in a Golden discs or whatever, I'd 101 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:21.879 go in and pick them up so i'd have n't 102 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.319 a hand. And yeah, it's really just the finale. Like 103 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.240 Rob said again, by that stage, it's the Superman show. 104 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.759 I had forgotten really how much of a Superman show 105 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.000 it had become at that time. I loved the Turler jacket. 106 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.879 I have to say, probably the unpopular opinion, but in 107 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.519 this episode I was struck by the end how good 108 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.560 Clark looked in in the Turler jacket and how Superman 109 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.279 like he looked. But yeah, no, I have to say, yeah, 110 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.319 I was. I enjoyed the experience of watching the episode. 111 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.279 I watched it twice, watched on DVD last night, I 112 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:57.120 watched an Amazon Prime earlier on today, and yeah, I 113 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:57.680 enjoyed it. 114 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.199 I should stress, by the way, the reason I hate 115 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.319 the trailer jacket is less to do with the local 116 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.120 the jacket, which it does kind of look cool like 117 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.120 it's and it's a fun thing you can wear conventions 118 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:09.800 and stuff. I don't have a huge issue with that. 119 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:10.600 It's more just. 120 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.120 The idea of it. 121 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.680 Like, once he puts on that jacket, he is basically Superman. 122 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:17.199 So what's the point of the show. 123 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.519 Then? Yeah, you know, no, I I have seen many 124 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:23.800 a jacket like that at a convention. It's it's a 125 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.480 great item. People love it. I I don't think i'd 126 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.560 ever get with myself, but I understand the appeal. And 127 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.279 you know, I have a I've said on calling it 128 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.399 the monogram jacket because lowest cause of that in an episode, 129 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.160 and I'm like, there you go. If anyone says anything 130 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:39.319 on screen, I can latch onto. I'm like, that's what 131 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.199 we called it. I was calling the biker jacket before 132 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.040 I'm going with monogram jacket. We you know, just to 133 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.199 get ahead of everything. It does appear in this episode, 134 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.519 we do have a plus one for it. So, but 135 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.279 one of my curiosities of tracking this is we're you know, 136 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.519 we're eleven episodes in eleven, We're halfway through the season. 137 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.439 This is this is the mid season of this exciting, 138 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.879 this is the midseason value. Someone argued the previous episode 139 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.000 there should have been the mid season finale, much stronger episode, 140 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.959 much stronger ending. But but eleven episodes in y'all, we've 141 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.120 introduced a new costume for Clark for him to wear 142 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.519 right for season ten. How many episodes do you think 143 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:12.920 he wears this, including this one. 144 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.800 I knew you were gonna say yes, Oh I yeah, 145 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.720 I'd say it. And there's a reason I'm asking this, 146 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.360 I'd say it's not that many times. Yeah, Like I 147 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.439 there was even scenes in this episode where I was like, 148 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.800 why is he not wearing his uniform? You know, like, 149 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:28.680 and I remember thinking that at the time, And I 150 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.879 remember thinking about the trench coat in season nine as well, 151 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:33.279 that there was a lot of times where it was like, 152 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839 he should be in his superhero suit right now and 153 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.879 he isn't. So I would wager he wears it six times. 154 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.839 Okay, I'm going to say. 155 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.160 Twelve okay, well, well hold on, are we guessing the 156 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:48.759 whole season? 157 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:48.920 Now? 158 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.600 Are we guessing just the first half? 159 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.439 Oh? Sorry, the whole season? I was guessing. 160 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.439 No, no, no, yeah, yeah no this half half? 161 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.800 We half this half, i'd say four. 162 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.720 Okay, yeah, i'd say six. 163 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.879 Well five, so you're if you add your score as 164 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.199 a team, you win. You're correct. We're we're five. And 165 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.639 half of those has just been him standing around. Yeah, 166 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.959 because like the episode he premieres ind it in he 167 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:19.959 walks out on top of the Deli Planet, stands in 168 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.920 from the American flag. It's a great image, right. 169 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:22.680 Uh. 170 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.720 Then we see it next he's at his father's grave 171 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:26.480 talking to him. I would question why he would visit 172 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.800 Jonathan Kent's grave in his superhero costume, but that's, you know, 173 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.080 neither here nor there. He does wear it for a 174 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:33.879 little bit of superhero activity a couple of times, and 175 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:35.960 then he wears it here again, just like at a funeral. 176 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.279 So it's like, dude, like, what do you if no 177 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.000 one can see you anyway, why does it matter? I 178 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.600 think it's kind of Rob's point as well, So no, 179 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.600 I yeah, with the record, I'm more aligned with Robin, 180 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.600 like I don't like kind of the concept of what 181 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.080 it is more so than like visually it's cool, it's 182 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:52.960 cool jacket out and absolutely so. 183 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.360 So I just never I just I don't think I 184 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.200 ever really connected with the black long jacket because it 185 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:01.399 always just felt me even at the time that it 186 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.039 was very kind of matrix y and Bled doesn't love 187 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:08.159 the matrix. But it's not Superman. 188 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:12.440 But he's not Superman. That's the whole point, Like he's 189 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.240 on a journey to become Superman, and the whole point 190 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.759 of this season as well is he has to overcome 191 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.919 the darkness, and that's the darkness within him as well. 192 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.000 And by putting on his jacket at the start of 193 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.840 the season, it's like, well then that makes the whole 194 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.159 character arc of the season irrelevant anyway. So it's like 195 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:29.600 it would have made. 196 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.399 One of those I'm sure we're all in one of 197 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.320 those black men the jacket paces like when we're teenagers. 198 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:38.080 I find out, I know what I did. 199 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.720 I Actually, the more I think about it, the more 200 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.960 I wish he had worn the black trench cout all 201 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:45.759 the way up until the end of season ten, where 202 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.159 right fully banishes that look and then becomes Superman. Because 203 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.679 it's such a contrast, whereas this kind of half measure 204 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.759 it just never never made sense to me. 205 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.120 You don't need multiple transitional costumes, as my what I'm thinking. 206 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.000 And also if you look at the season t in 207 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.200 opening credits that black jackets all over it trench call 208 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.039 here there, you would never know that he did have 209 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.840 a different costumes. Anyway, I just since you Broth brought 210 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.799 it up, I wanted to address it. Now. We don't 211 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.120 talk about any further real quick before a jump into within. 212 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:14.000 Just as Society characters, they're all over this episode. We 213 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:15.639 get some hawk Man, we get some star Girl, we 214 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:17.360 get some wet green Arrows. The main character now, so 215 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.480 it's not a special to have him around, But thoughts 216 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.559 on these characters, I mean, it was exciting. This is 217 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.679 the first I mean, look, if we don't count the 218 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.440 Legend of the Superheroes with Adam Westburt Ward and Frank 219 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.000 Or Yes, we know there was a guy dressed up 220 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.960 like Hawkman in that. Okay, yes I know that. Moving 221 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.360 on from that, this is your first live action representation 222 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.759 of these characters. So that's exciting, and I don't know, 223 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.679 I kind of go back and forth with how like well, 224 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.720 they were done here, at least visually, Like, what do 225 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:43.960 you guys thoughts on these characters. 226 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.639 I liked them. I always kind of felt that they 227 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.919 seemed a little bit kind of cheap, which is fine. Look, 228 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.120 it's it's of its time and it's of its era, 229 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.679 and you know, they have whatever budget they had and stuff. 230 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.480 I always but I always kind of felt that even 231 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.360 at the time. I remember seeing the trailer for the 232 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.519 Doctor Fate episode I think was or the Justice Slide episode, 233 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.159 have been super excited for that and liking that, and 234 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.879 then going back last night and again today, I was 235 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.720 surprised to see the different I forgot that there was 236 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.960 a Stargirl in us who was not the subsequent Stargirl 237 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.480 and who doesn't like, Yeah, what is Michael Michael Shanks? 238 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.320 Is this the guy from Stargate Q, Starget se Sequest. 239 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.639 Yes, that just dates me right there. 240 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:31.200 The captain from Sequest twenty thirty is Lois's dad, Micha Ironside. 241 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:36.000 So yes, and but yeah, I enjoyed him. I enjoyed 242 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.120 Michael Shanks in this episode. I enjoyed the conclusion, which 243 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.720 we'll talk about in a bit. And I'm a big 244 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.440 fan of this Oliver Queen. I think Justin Hartley does 245 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.240 a great job as Oliver Queen. I like him throughout 246 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:51.440 the entire series. I think I prefer him to Stephen 247 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.159 Amill to be honest myself, but then I didn't really 248 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:55.720 I didn't really stick with that show, I have to 249 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.679 be honest. I really enjoyed him and Small that I 250 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.600 liked him when he turned up, So yeah, it comes 251 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:01.000 up from me. 252 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.240 Yeah, I don't have much said to that. I think 253 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.639 they really do highlight how different the show it is now, 254 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.559 because you would never dream of seeing so many like 255 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.639 explicitly comic booky characters in the earlier seasons of Small, 256 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.440 butl you just it just wouldn't even work with the 257 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.200 aesthetic of the show at that point, so it's it's 258 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.519 just so so different. I think Hawkman is pretty great. 259 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.759 I mean, it's hard to get that helmet right, and 260 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.919 I don't know if it's possible to ever get it 261 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.000 quite right without it looking silly. But I think they 262 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.720 do a really really good job, and the the wing 263 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.720 effects is pretty impressive for a TV show. If you 264 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.960 had told me that Stargirl was in more than one 265 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.960 episode of this, I would have told you I would 266 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.000 have said you were a liar im being like a 267 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.080 character so so prominent, the character that she goes to 268 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.960 Clark and Lows's engagement party, and I was like, how's 269 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.759 this other character here? Like you know, but yeah, no, 270 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.320 I think they did a good job. But again, it 271 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.559 just comes back to the problem of like when when 272 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.639 Clark is in the scenes with the other Justice Society 273 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.240 and Justice League characters, he's basically just Superman, Like there's 274 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.240 no he doesn't feel like the upstart who still has 275 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.399 to go on a journey anymore. He just feels like 276 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:16.480 the hero. So it just there's this really weird clash 277 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.480 for me in these later episodes where some episodes are 278 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.159 about Clark's journey to becoming Superman, and then other episodes 279 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.919 it just feels like he already is Superman but they 280 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.440 can't call him that yet, and they they are a 281 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.240 big part of this whole v R A storyline at 282 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.840 the top of season ten, it really just feels like 283 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.480 a Superman storyline. It doesn't feel like it has any 284 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.519 bearing on Clark becoming to him anyway. But no, yeah, 285 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.960 I really like, really like Michael Shanks, think he's great, 286 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.679 and I remember doctor Fate being cool. Was he just 287 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:47.159 season nine doctor Fan and. 288 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.279 He died in an absolute justice Yeah, it's just so 289 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:52.000 he's not coming back. 290 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.440 I had. I had a senior moment last night when 291 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.399 I was watching it and I was like, when did 292 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.720 he When did the recast like Katie Cassidy in this 293 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.200 And I was like, I don't remember that happening. And 294 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.159 then I turned it off and I literally woke up 295 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.879 this morning and the first thing that came into my 296 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:11.279 mind was, that's a different universe. Different universe. 297 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.559 Yes, yes, Elena Huffin's black Canary doesnt appear. She she would, 298 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.559 you know, she was in some Stargate shows as well 299 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.159 as well as I understand her, so she's she was 300 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.919 a more available Canadian actress as I as I understand it, 301 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.039 so she would pop up more often than some of 302 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.080 the other Justice League cast members, like she was in 303 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.159 the beginning of season eight, and she she shows up 304 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.200 a couple more times in season ten, so she was 305 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.000 she was available, and whenever they do a conference calls, 306 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.000 she's on the screen and sudden sometimes she shows up 307 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.840 in person. So Elena Huffman, I feel like I I 308 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.360 think I called her Eleana Huffman for like several years 309 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.519 on this podcast, so she had a lot of l's 310 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:42.559 and a's, and I is in her name, so I 311 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.120 apologize for saying her name wrong, but yes, she's she's 312 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.720 here as well as Black Canary is one of the 313 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.399 you know, I one of my hopes for the DCU, 314 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.440 if it goes somewhere, is we have Green Arrow and 315 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.200 Black Canary and they're like a couple and like their 316 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.440 h their comic book accurate, because that's something we've yet 317 00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:58.919 to see. 318 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:03.799 Then, Yeah, when I saw her, I had forgotten that 319 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.440 there was a black Canary in this, and then I 320 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.879 suddenly remembered, Oh god, this is where the like eye 321 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.600 makeup instead of a mask thing that was in Narrow 322 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.799 Season one came from imagine how long that takes. I'd 323 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.279 forgotten that they do that in Narrow Season one. Was like, 324 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:18.799 oh god, that was so bad. 325 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:25.200 Small Bull is the blooprint everyone, But let's get into it. Then, Icarus. 326 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.919 I've seen this level of hatred before humanity's darkest hours. 327 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:32.679 Every time it looked like the world would be consumed 328 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:36.159 by hatred and darkness, another force arose to send the 329 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:36.879 darkness back. 330 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.720 Well, this time it's us and we need to start 331 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:40.639 by stalking. 332 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:44.720 Slate Smallville All new episode this Friday at eight seventh Central. 333 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.480 Icarus is the eleventh episode of Smallville's tenth season. It 334 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.440 turned on December tenth, twenty ten. Was written by Jenneity 335 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:01.600 Sparling and directed by Marzy Almus. Ratings watch, guys are 336 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.360 playing the game where you guess what the ratings were 337 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.519 for this episode back in twenty ten. Uh. To give 338 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.519 you a little context, the previous week, the episode Luther 339 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.320 got two point seven to six million, and then way 340 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.200 back in the season premiere Lazarus in September twenty ten, 341 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.240 that episode got two point nine to eight million. So 342 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.279 those are the numbers we're working with again, two point 343 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.200 nine eight for this season premiere and then two point 344 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.360 seven to six for the previous episode. So with those 345 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.919 numbers in mind, Alan, let's start with you. What do 346 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.159 you think this episode got on a Friday night on 347 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.600 the CW back in twenty ten? 348 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.639 Two point five? 349 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.720 All right, Rob, I'm gonna say mid season finale. They 350 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.480 were probably pushing the proposal in a big way in 351 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.679 the promos, so I'm gonna say this was probably a hi. 352 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.960 This is probably two point nine, all. 353 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.679 Right, two point five to five. 354 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:59.200 WHOA, well, don't allen, I'm my dance you got. 355 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.320 You guys are on these I'm throwing out these gay games. 356 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.879 If you guys are guessing, great man, you guys are 357 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:06.640 great games. And I think, no, your your logic does 358 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.839 make sense, Rob, But this is like the middle of December. 359 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.279 People are on college break, they're on vacation. This is 360 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.599 pretty late. I mean small Though rarely went this deep 361 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.480 into December. Sometimes they would have like one episode in 362 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.519 December and that was it. To have eleven episodes before 363 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.400 the mid season finale, like or before the hiatus, that's 364 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.920 a lot. Usually it was like nine or ten max. So, 365 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.480 but you know what, it's the final season, so readings 366 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:33.200 don't matter. They were gonna get. They're gonna get the 367 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.839 whole season anyway. They were renewed, and here we go 368 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:42.880 so famously Lois and Clark the show the Proposal, Right, 369 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.960 it's a big moment for the Lows and Clark through 370 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.799 Adventures super Man. The TV show Smallville does it here. 371 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.759 Every show requires its own, you know, approach to this 372 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.079 sort of thing. I think it's never did I think 373 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.200 watching Smallville back in two thousand and one in high 374 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.480 school like, this show will end with Clark Kent proposing 375 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:02.119 to less Lane. They'll be all the way. So all 376 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.519 that aside, I mean, I know you guys respond well 377 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:05.960 to the romantic angle of it. That's why you like 378 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.680 Lowis and Clark's watch. But this whole scene here right, 379 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.440 Clark's on the street, Lois Is are on a lay. 380 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.400 They have some cute talk. He's trying to get her 381 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.200 this nice dinner, but she's like, man, let's just go home. 382 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.000 He's like, you know, you're a hard person. Ask a 383 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:18.880 simple question. You like, I think the set up here 384 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.880 is very beautiful. He spreads these rose petals everywhere. So yeah, 385 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:23.880 what did you guys make of this? You know, this 386 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.319 is really, I mean, a very important scene of the 387 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.000 characters' lives here, Clark proposing Lowis. What are you guys thoughts? 388 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:33.680 I thought lows and c acted it better. I remember 389 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.279 that day, well, that summer's afternoon, watching that Cliffhanger episode 390 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:38.759 and being, oh my god, I had to wait three 391 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:43.079 months for the conclusion, or six months even maybe it 392 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:47.720 was nice. I thought it was really overly sentimental. It was. 393 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.599 It was very kind of old Mark channelish. I thought 394 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.119 it was really like the music in the background I 395 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.440 found really distracting throughout the entire scene. And they're both 396 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.200 on fire. Eric Durantz is superb blow us as always. 397 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.559 Clark Tom wedding was a great Clark Kent and it 398 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:07.400 was nice. It was romantic, and you know, we have 399 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.880 the rose pedals and you have everything that goes down, 400 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.039 and it kind of reminded me of a little bit 401 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.000 of that Adam Allinger comic book that supermindos one where 402 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.480 they can't kind of get a date to work out 403 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.839 because stuff's going on or whatever. But yeah, for me 404 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.759 and I am a bit of a romantic and I 405 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:25.680 loved all that about Los and Clark and stuff. It 406 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.559 felt a little bit too sentimental and a bit too 407 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.039 homemark for me, but I still enjoyed it. 408 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:35.240 Fair. What about you, Rob, I mostly agree with that. 409 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:37.079 It's interesting that you brought up the music. I actually 410 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.720 had a similar thought. And Mark Snow is long gone 411 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.240 now it's it's Louis Louis feb Febre. 412 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:43.640 Yeah. 413 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.200 I always do God bless them, but I do notice 414 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.240 when Mark Snow leaves and the other guy comes in. 415 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.960 The scores were never sorry not to offend the composer, 416 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.839 but I just never thought the composers the scores were strong. 417 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.160 I don't think it's as well done on Low and Clark. 418 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.200 I think it's nice. I think it's it's sweet that 419 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.759 the pedals is a really nice little Superman touch, and 420 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:08.039 they do it practically and it's slowly and I'm thinking 421 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.599 I remember thinking, oh, they probably only got one chance 422 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.319 to do that, or they'd have to clean it. 423 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.359 I was impressed by Again, practically there wasn't much a cgi. 424 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:18.079 I was impressed by that. 425 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:19.440 I thought it was odd putting it at the top 426 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.519 of the episode. It was like it was this big 427 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.440 emotional high and then everything else after the episode just 428 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.640 kind of came down from that a bit. It feels 429 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.279 like something you should put at the end of an episode. 430 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.279 And I was trying to remember. I was like, I 431 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.920 don't even remember this the first watching the show first 432 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.920 time round. And the iconic romantic scene I remember from 433 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.240 these latter seasons is when he tells her that he's 434 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.400 the Blur and she like jumps on top of him 435 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.200 and starts kissing him, and then they kind of I 436 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.400 think they dance in the barn at the end and 437 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.519 he kind of floats and it's like, I really. 438 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.279 Those are real. Those are two different ending scenes from 439 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.799 the from the fourth and fifth episode. Okay, so some 440 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.440 might argue they should have combined those, yeah, but I 441 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:03.640 would agree, like those are some emotional high notes there. Yeah, 442 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.319 and you know, maybe maybe combining all these things together 443 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.279 might have been the best. But that's the question to post, 444 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:09.799 you guess, because yes, we've seen Lewis and Clark in 445 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.400 their relationships and all these different versions, right, really do 446 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.079 we get to the point where like they are gonna 447 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.319 you know, get engaged and get married, like, you know, 448 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:17.880 we didn't see that in a lot of the shows, 449 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.960 but now we're in kind of that era where that happens. 450 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.039 That's great, right, So these two they've known each other 451 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:28.039 since the fourth season, they've been dating on and off. Well, 452 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.640 they liked each other romantically in the eighth season, they 453 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.440 were dating in the ninth season, and now here we 454 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.400 are in the tenth season, they're just oh, okay, we're 455 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.000 getting married, like, you know, not saying you need to 456 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.519 wait forever, but I'm like, it's kind of quick, right, 457 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:39.920 I don't. 458 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:41.960 Know, to be fair, Lewis and Clark dated for like 459 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.039 two weeks, you. 460 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.559 Know, that's yeah, that's before the question she was taking 461 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.359 out with that what's his name, Dan Scardina that's yes. 462 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:55.839 Yeah, like the week before right, another point that was 463 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.559 gonna make I'm sorry, I feel like I do this 464 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.640 every time I'm on your show. I also don't think 465 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.079 Tom Welling is as good that the romantic stuff as 466 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.400 other Superman actors have been. And he looks a little 467 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:08.119 bit uncomfortable in this scene for me when he's like 468 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.359 when he's doing his big proposal speech, I just don't 469 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:11.400 see the same kind of. 470 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.359 Wouldn't she be uncomfortable if you were in that position. 471 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.920 There? But like a charming way, just just it in 472 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:20.079 like a fact way. 473 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.160 I actually I do undertotally see what you're saying, because 474 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.680 I think that most of the time on the show. 475 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.559 I think when Tom and Eric are together, they kind 476 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.920 of there's a certain energy that she that she brings 477 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.000 out of him, which is very charming and romantic in 478 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.480 all the sou because he has a lot of wheelhouses, right, 479 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.200 I mean, I think when he's the villain, when he's 480 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.279 a bad guy, excellent, When he is like that older 481 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.119 brother right to like a kid on the show, excellent, 482 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.920 And then when he's like doing romantic stuff with Lewis excellent, right, 483 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.359 I do see what you're saying here, Rob, It's not 484 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.400 quite as charming as I would have liked it, you know. 485 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.440 I think the stuff leading up to it is when 486 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.519 he's like walking across the street and maybe a little 487 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.279 flatter than I would have liked sort of thing. And 488 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:05.519 maybe it's because they'll have one take. Maybe that was 489 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.640 t you guys point with all the rose petals, like Tom, 490 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.440 you gotta nail this at the first take, zooming out 491 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.680 my bigger Superman question, y'all. Is because it's a different 492 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:16.200 approach here, uh here from when like Lows and Clark was. 493 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.279 But here she knows that he is the blur that 494 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.920 he Suberman, she knows his secrets. They know everything about each. 495 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:22.559 Other at this point. 496 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.880 And then hey, now that we know everything, I'm gonna 497 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.000 ask you to marry me. And I I think that's 498 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:29.839 probably the better approach than like. But but I do 499 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.400 understand on Lols and Clark that he wants Clark on 500 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.519 that show, wants Lowis to love him for just being Clark, 501 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.240 not Superman. At the same point, it's like, dude, like, 502 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.480 shouldn't you tell somebody this before? Like that's kind of 503 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:42.039 a I don't know, like because in the comic books 504 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:43.640 it was kind of at the same time, right, he 505 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.160 reveals he's Superman. It's that famous comic image he's ripping 506 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:48.480 over with the shirt and it's like, will you marry me? 507 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.799 And Lois is like, oh, right, that's so it's simultaneously 508 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:52.319 and Lolis and Clark like, dude, are you gonna tell 509 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:54.200 her you're Superman at some point? And so what what 510 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.039 are your thoughts on her knowing the secret or not knowing? 511 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:57.000 Why didn't he proposes? 512 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.200 It's the much better is Like I said, I love 513 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.359 Loews and Clark and go up with a huge nostalgia 514 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:06.920 factor to me. But that's an issue Lois. Whether she's 515 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.240 told by Clark, which I prefer that he tells her 516 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.240 rather than her figuring it out, well, you know what, 517 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.000 that's not technique true. I do like the fact that 518 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:17.640 she's smart enough to figure it out, but she should 519 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.039 know by the time that he's popping the question. As 520 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.880 a huge issue I have with the Loews and Clark season. Now, 521 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.240 technically Lois did know when Clark proposed, but he didn't 522 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.720 know that she knew because she only knew for about 523 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:33.759 twelve minutes. So but yeah, no, I think, you know, 524 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.599 if you were this kind of bastion for honesty and 525 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:39.039 hope and truthfulness and all those kind of things, you know, 526 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:41.759 you can't hide fifty percent of who you are, have 527 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.200 this massive secret in your life and then not share 528 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.000 with the person that you're you're asking to spend the 529 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.039 rest of your life with. So when it comes to that, 530 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.039 I absolutely prefer this take. 531 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.640 Yeah, I'm conflicted on it because on the one hand, 532 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.119 I think him not telling her is narratively more interesting 533 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.480 and it leads to better conflict and it it's an 534 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.519 issue then that they have to work through and he 535 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.400 has to become a better person by by working through it. 536 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.920 But it's deeply it's deeply problematic, you know, you know, 537 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.519 And it's just the classic problem with the whole Clark 538 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.880 Kent secret identity thing. 539 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:13.160 Now. 540 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.480 It's just it's difficult to tell those kinds of stories 541 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.160 in the modern kind of landscape we live in where, 542 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:20.839 you know. So I think in that sense, I think 543 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.240 Smallville was wise to sort of steer away from it. 544 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.160 And I do really like going back to the scene 545 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.480 I was talking about before that that scene where he 546 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.200 tells her that he's the blur, and she just embraces him, 547 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.880 and she's like, yes, you know that this means that 548 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:36.880 we can really be together and we can bring the 549 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.960 relationship to next level now because I was waiting for 550 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.480 you to trust me too with your secret, and now 551 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:43.880 you have. And I just thought that was a really 552 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.640 sweet inversion of what we're usually seeing in these Superman stories, 553 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.799 where she'll find out and sort of attack him with 554 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.440 this information that he didn't share with her, or he'll 555 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.400 just tell her like which they did in Superman and 556 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.279 Lowis and they did in the comics and stuff. I 557 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.079 think there needs to be a bit of a there 558 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.519 need they need to play it a little bit. But yeah, 559 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.720 I think the problem with her knowing is the heat 560 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.599 kind of leaves then the marriage proposal because of course 561 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.319 he's gonna say yes, you know right. Yeah, So it 562 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.039 is it's a tricky one. I don't I don't know 563 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.079 how best to handle it, but I am. I like 564 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.519 what they did in Elson Clark, and I quite like 565 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:21.359 what they did here as well. 566 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.240 Yeah, I like there a lot of variationship because it 567 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.440 is a complicated situation, as you all said, like it's like, well, 568 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:26.839 I've been lying to you every day for two years? 569 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:28.559 Will you marry me? I'm like, well, let's we need 570 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.880 to we need to talk about some things here before. 571 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.599 Actually, last thing I'll say is I actually. 572 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.079 Don't like how they did it in the comics. 573 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.160 I think that was just sort of like he doesn't 574 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.359 tell her a secret, and then he proposes, and then 575 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:41.839 he kind of just tells her a secret a little 576 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.559 while later and she's fine with it, and then they 577 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.599 you know, it's not as it's not as. 578 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.359 Kind of interesting the way they do it there. 579 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.240 Yeah, well, I do have in my notes here, I 580 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.680 do have the lions that the lions that took out 581 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:55.279 to me most were like, you don't make it easy 582 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.160 to ask a simple question, but that's what makes sure 583 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:58.839 you And I thought that was adorable and that's that's 584 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.119 so true to them and it's a beautiful moment. And 585 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.559 I get your hallmark comments there, Alan, you know, but 586 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.279 your wilds made very that that was the space we're 587 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.079 existing in here, But yes, it is. 588 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.400 The hallmark was just more about the kind of the 589 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.359 overall feel of it. I thought I kind of just 590 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.039 felt like it was that over sentimentality kind of stuff. 591 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.559 But no, that's that was That was a great line. 592 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.319 Yeah, and uh on the empty streets of the seasons 593 00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.920 in Metropolis because there's no budget, there's no no extras, 594 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.519 there's no one but you know, the middle of the night. 595 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.440 And yeah, but she says yes, and that's a great moment, 596 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.640 and we we've had out and then we go to 597 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.519 the opening credits, and now she's gonna be they're gonna 598 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.559 little did we know? We're heading towards the wedding for 599 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.599 the for the series finale. 600 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.640 Of Ever Become Superman. 601 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.960 Yeah, that's the thing, right, I mean, that's a conversation 602 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.359 for another episode. But yeah, not only do we spend 603 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.839 an exorbitant amount of time on a wedding at the 604 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.559 series finalite, they actually don't get married. 605 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:55.079 Yeah. 606 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.000 I just spent all that time. So oh man. So 607 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.799 we go to the opening credits. We come back with 608 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.640 the Daily Planet. You know they've established so there's like 609 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.920 a borderline martial law going on a metropolis right now, 610 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.319 there's these curfews, right, people getting checked in in the 611 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.480 Daily Planet and scan Right. What's cute though, is because 612 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.200 you know, well it just got engaged. She has this 613 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.759 engageing rate and she wants people to notice it, and 614 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.920 no one is noticing it, like just going through the courage. 615 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.920 She's like, oh, I forgot to take this off. Hope 616 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.480 it doesn't make the thing go off like next nobody 617 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:24.319 cares like it's pretty cute. 618 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.240 Yeah, I also was. 619 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.359 Nice Cat Grant. I get you, guys. This is a 620 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:30.839 great episode for you guys to be on being so 621 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.039 Lewis and Clark is in your DNA. You're a Superman fandom, right, 622 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.720 Cat Grant on small though? I gotta say not not 623 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.240 not a big fan of Cat Grant. What are your thoughts, y'all? 624 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:44.640 Which one? 625 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.519 Well, everybody loves the first Cat Grant because it was 626 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.319 it was a one off name they used in season 627 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.039 nine and she was gonna be a TV show host, 628 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.000 And I don't know if they ever thought about reincorporating 629 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.799 her if they want to start from scratch with a character. 630 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.480 What's so interesting is I had forgotten this rewatching season 631 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.480 two doing the podcast. This Krant's name isn't even her name, 632 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.039 like she has she has another name. She was like 633 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.200 hiding from, like her her ex husband, like to protect 634 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.200 her son and all this. I was like, oh, well, 635 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.000 you're really not Cat Grant then, So that's that's interesting. 636 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:13.480 But all I have to say, like I am a 637 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.480 big supporter, as I know you guys are too of 638 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.200 like expand the Daily Planet cast and having other characters 639 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.000 around and people bounce off of, and I'm like, this, 640 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.200 ain't it though, the same thing? This is what I 641 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:22.839 was thinking. 642 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.319 Honestly, I don't mind this character. I thought it was 643 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.599 it was a nice little spin, making her kind of 644 00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:33.039 this conservative, you know, and busy body like that. I 645 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.079 like the bit where she hanslawis a sniakerdoodle. Yeah, And like, 646 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:38.920 you know, they take a lot of stuff from the 647 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.000 comics here with her son and being on their own 648 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.240 from an abusive husband or whatever. That that that's from 649 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.839 the comics as well, So I kind of like that. 650 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.640 I just think it's wild that they had a different 651 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.279 Cat Krant last year, completely different character, and now they 652 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.400 brought her back already. That that's the bit I can 653 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.319 never get my head around. I don't mind her. I 654 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.400 think a lot of people forget that the the way 655 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.480 they did the Tracy Scoggins version on the On the 656 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.279 Loss of Clark show that was exclusive to that show 657 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.000 at the time, Like she wasn't this kind of like 658 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.640 sexually charged character like that. In the comics, she was 659 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.200 kind of just another romantic foil for Clark, and she 660 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.720 was another go getter reporter, and she was a single 661 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.759 mother and all that kind of stuff. That the whole. 662 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.680 They sexualized her in the art though, didn't they didn't 663 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.839 they sexualize her kind of She had big. 664 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.079 Blonde hair, and I think she had other nice features, 665 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.039 but I not not to the extent that she was like. 666 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.279 It was only in Jeff John's kind of comics in 667 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:35.880 the in the mid two thousands that they made her 668 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.599 explicitly more like the Tracy Scoggin's version, and they gave 669 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.119 her breast and plants and all this sort of stuff. 670 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.359 And then and they did this weird joke where I 671 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.079 think Supergirl is like, what's wrong with that woman? There's 672 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:48.559 there's all this silicone her. 673 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:51.960 It's really weird. 674 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:53.079 You know. 675 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.119 I don't I don't have any huge issue, but there 676 00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:00.680 was a nice, interesting little twist to make her this way. Yeah. 677 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.039 I found her super annoying, and she kind of struck 678 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.839 me as the kind of person who would have, you know, 679 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.079 ratted out and Frank for hiding in the attic. You know, 680 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.880 she's she's that kind of a character. And I when 681 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.400 she came back and I was like, oh, yeah, I 682 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.279 forgot about this this cat Grand. But look, she has 683 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.000 a little redemption later on in the episode where you know, 684 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.200 she she has the opportunity to really throw those under 685 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.559 the bus and she doesn't. And you know, I like 686 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.240 that that was brought about and how Lois kind of 687 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.839 brings that about by you know, explained to her that 688 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.680 she's been saved a few times without her. 689 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.039 Evennoying it or whatever. But overall, she she does great 690 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.599 on me, like she wouldn't be. She wouldn't be my 691 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.759 favorite live action duration by a long shot. And hashtag 692 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.240 justice for Tracy's Coggins. Whatever happened to that cat Grand, 693 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:43.720 We'll never know. 694 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:44.319 I'll never know. 695 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:45.519 We'll never know. 696 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.680 We'll never know. When they come out with Loewis and 697 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.559 Clark ninety three comic book, we might find. 698 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.400 Out what happened with Tracy's You'll be waiting for that. 699 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.720 So yeah, I you know, her function is to be 700 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.960 an annoyance, and I get there. But there's a way 701 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.720 to have characters like that and then to kind of 702 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.160 but you enjoy them being an annoyance and versus they 703 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.279 annoy you being an annoyance, and that's kind of where 704 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.000 I am with the character. But uh so she comes 705 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.880 in the other they have something. They have some talk here. 706 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.400 But you know what, y'all, I almost forgot we have 707 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.160 we have a note is Lois Lane? Is this Lewis? 708 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.839 They say, you never know what fate has in store 709 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.759 for us, but I say, you can see some happy 710 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:25.599 innings coming from a mile away, and like, who could 711 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.680 it be? Who could be from? And we have a 712 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.559 flash to Chloe, who I've forgotten about honestly on this show. 713 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.759 I had to look this up. I was like, I wonder, 714 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.599 is this a scene that they just didn't use before 715 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.680 or did is this one of Allison Mack's appearances this season? 716 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.559 And no, y'all, this is a scene they actually shot 717 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.400 for Lazarus the season premiere, and they left it on 718 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.599 the cutter room floor. And that's why Alison Mack is 719 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.799 uncredited for this appearance because she's not in the opening credits. 720 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.480 All the other episodes that she appears in, she's in 721 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.079 the opening credits, and when she's on the episode, she's 722 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:57.839 not in the opening credit. 723 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.039 So is there a significance to the the chain that 724 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.839 she gets with the letter that I missed her. 725 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:07.960 Yeah, I have no idea. 726 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.640 Did that come back? I just found very odd. 727 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.400 I don't know. I'm maybe I need to turn my 728 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.640 smum lil fan card. But that's a very valid question 729 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.319 I have to answer for you. They have There's not like, 730 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.400 oh oh yeah, it's our thing or no, you didn't 731 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.519 have a thing. You were just cousbands who lived together 732 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.720 sometimes in the talent apartment. Because I thought to myself, like, 733 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.519 did they film this for this episode? But then no, 734 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.960 because the talent got blown up a couple episodes ago, 735 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.759 so they potentially didn't have this set anymore as far 736 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.160 as the apartment goes. So it's it seemed it's so 737 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.480 funny because it seems like something they would film and say, oh, yeah, 738 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.200 this happened back then. You guys just didn't see it. 739 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.240 But it literally is something that happened. We didn't see it. 740 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.119 So and the talk about Fate is because then you 741 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.759 mentioned doctor Fate. She put on the doctor Fate helmet 742 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.200 at the beginning of the season too to find Alliver 743 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.440 Queen because he'd been kidnapped, and so that's why she 744 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.000 has seen the future. She literally has seen the future. 745 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.799 So that's why was like, oh, it's I swear. Chloe 746 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.480 is like sometimes you can see the future. So getting 747 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.640 back to can't grant test. Mercer comes in right starts 748 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.880 talking to Lois. Hey, Leis, congratulations, hope that doesn't interfere 749 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.840 with your duties here at the office, and and then 750 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.760 she kind of shows kat Ran away, which is amusing. 751 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.039 She's like, none of which concern you. She leaves, and hey, 752 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.159 they're gonna do a REDNA scan at the Watchtower tonight, 753 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.559 y'all everybody be there and I'm root to REDNA scan 754 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.559 up in security, Like okay, cool. Because she speaking of Chloe, 755 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.519 tests has become Chloe. Now she's running watch Tower. She's 756 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:31.360 the computer person. 757 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.320 That was another thing I'd completely forgotten. But she's like 758 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.639 an ally to like even remotely a villain by this stage. 759 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.440 I know she gets with a meal, doesn't she. 760 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.960 That's that's in the Hangover episode. 761 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.199 That's correct Hangover episode. My goodness, gracious too, I remember 762 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.800 that one. That was a weird one that was like 763 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.079 two episodes from the end, and we're doing this Hangover nonsense. 764 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.440 Actually, like like yeah, look, I'm for a good movie. 765 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.679 Pause an episode right anytime but not when you're like 766 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.320 in the countdown to the Let's make sure we make 767 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.760 the time for this hangover inspired epis. So the kids 768 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.760 are gonna love it, let me tell you. But guess 769 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.960 what Lowe shows up for a retina scant. Clark's there 770 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.119 too at the same time. What a surprise, right weird? Anyway, 771 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.000 let's go in this dark room. Oh surprise, it's an 772 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.519 engagement party from all the guest stars. We could get 773 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:23.920 back this episode. 774 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:24.119 The four of them. 775 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.440 We have every star girl. You know, your close social 776 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.639 friend stargirl hawk Van is here. Sorry I kissed your 777 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.840 fiance a couple episodes ago, I said a vision of 778 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.719 my dead wife. Sorry Hawkman did that. 779 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:35.599 And a couple episodes ago. 780 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.679 And doctor Emil. I love how they call him doctor. 781 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.800 You talked about two cat grants. We have two doctor 782 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.599 Hamilton's on this show now. They were Space Style a 783 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.480 little more and Steven Hamilton was Joe Morton's character in 784 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:48.719 the first two seasons. This is a meal Hamilton, but 785 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.360 I bring it out and people probably sick of me 786 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.840 singing this, but like, whenever it comes up, I find 787 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.280 it so amusing. They call him doctor Emial all the 788 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.280 time because they guess they don't want to confuse people. 789 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.159 And it just makes me laugh. Like they it said 790 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.800 to me, it sounds like he's a pediatrician doctor. He's 791 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.079 gonna give you your shot. You're gonna get your lollipop anyway. 792 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.440 But it's a wholesome scene, right, will slow down people. 793 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.639 These characters just enjoy life together, sharing life advice. So 794 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:12.920 we don't see a lot of this on Small Way. 795 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.960 It was nice and we joke about who's not here, 796 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.880 but it is impressive the amount of people they did get, 797 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:17.960 I think for this scene. 798 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.280 Yes, just for context, where is Martha came to this stage? 799 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.400 Is she a senator? Is she of senatoring or is 800 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.440 that finished with she? 801 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.119 She is off senatoring, yes, but but she she does 802 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.280 come back for a few episodes in season ten. Okay, 803 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.840 so yeah, you would think his mom should be here, 804 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.440 Is that what you think? 805 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.960 Or even just a phone call or something just a 806 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.559 little a little kind of a scene there with a 807 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.320 phone call or congratulations. 808 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.559 Lois's sister might be here, you know, just out there. 809 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.280 It's the classic problem with any of these teen shows 810 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.280 that but by this point in the series, when people 811 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.760 are getting married, they don't want to pay to bring 812 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:49.639 the parents back, so the parents are never there and 813 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.280 the siblings are never there. Lane absolutely no. 814 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.920 No to this season's credit though, like everyone is not 815 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.519 here at the same time, but they piece mail everybody together, 816 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.639 right because a couple ago, Lois's dad instance, we both 817 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.719 came back, Supergirl was back field bed. That's a person 818 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.559 I think should be here. His cousin, you know where 819 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.159 she is. Maybe you guys probably thought they recast Supergirl 820 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.960 with the Stargirl here. No, that's not Supergirl, that Stargirl, 821 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.039 so you should be here. 822 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.519 But when I saw Stargirl in this scene, I was like, 823 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.039 is that just an extra? Like it's not just one 824 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.920 of their other friends who we don't see, you know. 825 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:24.639 Like the people that show up at their wedding, like 826 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:25.719 the people right now. 827 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.719 Oh. But what I'll say though, is, you know, yeah, 828 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:33.559 other people should be there and all that kind of stuff. 829 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.039 But my god, do they really make you believe that 830 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.800 Clark and Oliver are just best friends now? And it's 831 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.079 it's such a strength of these later seasons. They have 832 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.159 such great kind of Batman and Superman energy to their 833 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.920 friendship and you completely you know, it always feels weird 834 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.400 to me in the later seasons of these teen shows 835 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.840 where a lot of the main characters are gone, So 836 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:54.840 like when when when he has when when the guy 837 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:56.800 who's getting married has to pick the best man, he 838 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.639 picks someone who he probably wasn't great friends with in 839 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.360 ther seasons. Sorry to bring up Beverly Hills none of 840 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.599 two and No, that happens in that as well, And 841 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.400 it's just like, what that guy would not be his 842 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.639 best man? What are you talking about? But I completely 843 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.880 believe that Clark would ask Oliver to be his best man, 844 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.840 and they just he added so much to this show 845 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.559 when I think it really really needed it, And yeah, 846 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.800 it's it was such a good idea to have like 847 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.039 a Batman type character for Clark to fence off of. 848 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.639 And I'm glad that they continued continued that with Superman 849 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:28.679 and Lowis and John Henry Irons, which is kind of 850 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:33.199 the same dynamic. And yeah, I just thought their energy 851 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:34.360 in the scene where he asked him to be the 852 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.360 best man really made the scene for me. I thought 853 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:36.800 it was great. 854 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.480 I totally agree. I mean spoilers for Superman Lowis season four. 855 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:46.079 But Kyle Cushing gets married, who do you guys to 856 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:47.199 be his best man. 857 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:53.239 That was so stupid, right, it made no sense. Well, 858 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.159 I guess like do you not have any other friends? 859 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:55.920 Kyle push the. 860 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.800 Guy at the fire station or something? 861 00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:58.000 Right? 862 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.559 I mean, come on right, I mean I get married 863 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.119 in Superman's house like that's fun at all. But I 864 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.719 mean that was like, okay, that's exactly mean it's fresh 865 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.440 as of this recording against fresh on my Mom. That's 866 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.719 exactly where my mind went when he was saying, pick 867 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.199 what other main character who is Clark's best man? When 868 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.719 on Loewis and Clark with Jimmy did they have a 869 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:16.360 wedding party? 870 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:17.480 Was Jimmy? 871 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.960 It was Jimmy? And you know what, I actually thought 872 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.280 it was stupid there as well. It's like he would 873 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.599 have another friend who he would ask, like, you know, I. 874 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.440 Don't think Dean Kane has it. I mean I don't 875 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.079 think Clark Kent has any friends. No. 876 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.119 Yeah, so yeah, like in the comics, was it was 877 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.400 it Batman It's best man? Or was it someone else? 878 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.880 I'm trying to remember. Maybe it was Jimmy. I can't 879 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.880 remember Pete Ross remember now? 880 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.199 Yeah, because you think even like Peter, where's peace in 881 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.320 this note? Because I know he came back he comes 882 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:48.840 back from. 883 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:53.079 Now Allan Allan uh as a as a man of 884 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.840 the law. You'll be happy to know that the actor 885 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.400 was currently unavailable for law reasons at this time. 886 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:02.960 But did he not come back in the later episodes? 887 00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.559 He came back in season seven. 888 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.000 That was that was before his trouble, right, Okay. 889 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.400 So I could really go for some chewing him right now. 890 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.000 Yeah, yes, he is currently being a roadie for One 891 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.559 Republic in Universe right now, so hard to track their 892 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.960 during schedule, so that's why it wasn't invited. But but yeah, 893 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.280 I mean, Oliver, him and Clark have really they have 894 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.320 been through a lot together, you know, so it's it's 895 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.239 fair that he would ask him to be his best man. 896 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.760 And and uh, it's so fun. It's so interesting to 897 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.880 go back and watch Justice Justin Hartley on the show 898 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.679 after seeing one This is Us and other things, and 899 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.360 you see like the origins of the guy he would become. 900 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.199 I may not have actually managed to appear on the 901 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.760 Banshie episode, but I did all the research and I 902 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.599 watched it before, and even in that I really enjoyed. 903 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.360 He's two and he's too and fourth with the like 904 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.199 Chloe and everybody in the in the Honeymoon Hotel and 905 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.599 all that stuff, and yeah, he was really great. I 906 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.360 really like Justin Hartley a lot, Like I compared him 907 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.320 to Stephen Mla earlier on Like I one like the 908 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.840 suit as much, but I much prefer this, I do. 909 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:04.880 I much prefer the role. I think he's great. 910 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.599 Well, I do think you know, we were talking about 911 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.199 Bruce Wayne and Batman energy here, like this Oliver Queen 912 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.159 is more like the comic book Oliver Queen, Like he's 913 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.760 got cheerie and all that. Yeah, somewhat more politically minded, 914 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.559 you know. On Arrow, it's like, oh, yeah, the Dark 915 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.880 Knight trilogy, We'll just do that with green hair. That's it. 916 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.039 There's that's it now. It goes on the show. 917 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.440 During the day. 918 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.960 The Lamborghini then, So that's the difference between that. Yeah, 919 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.039 I would have loved to see a goateee on this guy, right, 920 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.480 but it is. It was they were not going to 921 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.119 have God forbid people wear glasses and facial hair on 922 00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.159 the c W ten drama that we're watching right now. 923 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.960 So some cute back and forth though, but you know, 924 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.519 they talk to hawk Man and they're like, hey, you 925 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.519 and Srey were married what like a hundred times, right, 926 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:51.760 how is that? Maybe that's weird, Maybe it's not weird. 927 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.960 He's like, we all have to lose each other one 928 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.960 hundred times too. I'm like, well, man, come on, Bill. 929 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.320 Right, I actually thought that was a good I was like, 930 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.880 oh that's I actually thought that was nicely no theory, 931 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.719 but yeah, time and place, man, time and place. 932 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.480 I do like, you know, I was joking by doctor Meil, 933 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.000 I like, how you s here he is in the 934 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.119 inner circle. I would have I mean, I don't know 935 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:16.920 how the how the contracts and budgets work. I would 936 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.079 have made him a regular for season ten. You know, 937 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.679 I just have him. There was no no he was. 938 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.599 He was in a handful of episodes, but never never enough. 939 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.960 You know, if you do that, uh that thirteen episode 940 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.559 contract that Eric Durantz and John Glover had so many years, 941 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.000 who'd have been solved? Someone else for them to talk to? 942 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.559 Because you know, as you've seen, when Alison Mack's not 943 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.599 there four main characters of the show right now, Okay, 944 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:42.360 that's Molson Clark had more than that. 945 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.880 Come on, yeah, yeah, true. 946 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.159 I remember actually watching the opening credits this week, thinking 947 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.079 this feels longer for some reason. It's like, it feels 948 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.960 like they use more of this, and now I'm thinking 949 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.840 that it must be that because Alison Mack wasn't in it. 950 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.599 Right, Just more money shots, more Clark doing super things, 951 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.320 more of the black trench coat, more of that, let's 952 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.159 see more of that, possuly he doesn't wear anymore. 953 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.519 I remember being surprised last night when Erica Dranz was 954 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.400 the second billing in the credits. I remember that kind 955 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.920 of that kind of surprised me, as like oladok. 956 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.880 Her ten years. Well, it took her, I guess, six 957 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.119 years to get well. 958 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.679 She don't get me wrong, she deserves it, like she's 959 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.559 a highlight of the series. I absolutely love her. But yeah, 960 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.960 that was great to see. It's gotten that now. 961 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:27.360 Green Arrow and Hawkman traditionally you are at odds with 962 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.920 each other. They play with some of that in the 963 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.239 Absolute Justice two parter as well, and here you know 964 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.480 they have an actual human moment between them. He's like 965 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.719 he's just all warm and fuzzy, but you know, I'm 966 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.480 sorry about Chloe, and he's like, you're not gonna hug 967 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.559 you now, are you? And so I like how you 968 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.960 need to establish the camaraderie between these guys, and you 969 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.679 slow down, you take time to get to know them. 970 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.400 It's like them Justice League limited with it. They're like 971 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.840 sitting at the cafeteria talking like that. That's the humanizing 972 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:50.559 stuff you need. And so many of these shows are 973 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.800 just you know, plot point, plot point, action action. You 974 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.599 don't get that. So this is a fun moment for that. 975 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.000 Oliver gives them a good speech, is big cheers for everybody, 976 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.920 and but yeah, I guess this kind of stuff makes 977 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.119 me think, oh yeah, that's why it makes sense to 978 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.639 have the proposal at the beginning of an episode, right 979 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.559 because it's not a unlike Wilson Clark, it's not a 980 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.840 cliffhanger what she gonna say. It's not like you guys said, 981 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.119 she knows he's the blurd. She's gonna say yes. So 982 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.079 you get to have these moments throughout and that's not 983 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.199 the cliffhanger. To be hattier, they whole another They have 984 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.079 a whole nother cliffhanger in mine. But yeah, it's it's 985 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.679 it's cute. And then after this wonderful, you know, heartwarming party, 986 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.840 everybody's walking home and Oliver tries to stop a crime 987 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.039 and then everybody turns against him, and I'm like, oh, okay. 988 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.159 Yeah, it turns, it turns. It turns pretty dark pretty quickly, 989 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.039 like what is a mugging or an assault or whatever. 990 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.960 And then he steps in and the crowd just turns 991 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.800 on him really quickly and turns super violent, very fast, 992 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.840 and real meanness to it and stuff. So I was 993 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.039 I was actually surprised by that. 994 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.559 I'm talking about no extras in the other scenes. There's 995 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.039 loads of extras in this scene. Yeah, they put the 996 00:44:58.159 --> 00:44:59.679 boy seems to have gone into this scene. 997 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.760 Your budget went to this seat, right, because it's this. 998 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:04.960 It's as simple like a person mugging. Alver tries to 999 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.360 stop it. You know, he's not going to change into 1000 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.239 green arrow because he's right there on the street. And 1001 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.079 then his identity is public, you know, So he pulls 1002 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:12.719 off a water poster off the wall right before this 1003 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.079 to kind of establish that, you know, he's he's an outlaw, right, 1004 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.360 he's been brandon terrorist now right because because of some 1005 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.920 his activities, blown up some nefarious government government projects. But 1006 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.599 this person nature, he's like, oh, he attacked me out 1007 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.920 of nowhere. Let's get him the whole, the whole, you know, 1008 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.239 the whole mob goes on him, and and I think, 1009 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.880 I don't see. This is where things get kind of muddied, 1010 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.239 because the whole plot of the season is like the 1011 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.199 darkness is taking over and like you see this omega 1012 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.840 symbol on people's skulls, and like where all these people 1013 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.159 have been taken over by the darkness. Yet maybe that's 1014 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.280 why they turn so quick. I don't know. I hate 1015 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.679 it when they undercut I love a good human condition commentary, right, 1016 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.239 so I kind of hate when they undercut it with 1017 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.199 like oh no, no, no, no, that was just this 1018 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.280 evil force made him do it. Don't worry. I'm like, oh, well, 1019 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.320 that's kind of a cop out, Like loo, can't you 1020 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:57.599 wonder Woman the first film? 1021 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.360 Not only that, like whatever about the ugliness on the street? 1022 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.559 And it might have seemed a bit unreal, Like if 1023 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.599 you watched this in twenty eleven. I can't remember my 1024 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:08.159 mindset at the time, but I could have watched it 1025 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.119 and thought that's they they want? Didn't that would never happen. 1026 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.320 They'd never attack a hero, they never attack it, But 1027 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.000 like what would their issues? But how could they turn 1028 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.480 the crowd like that? And obviously now fast forward thirteen 1029 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.360 years and it's absolutely plausible and can happen. What I 1030 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.400 didn't like, and again I haven't followed the whole season 1031 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.519 through for quite a while, Like the reference to this 1032 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.239 omega darkness or whatever you want to call it, infecting 1033 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.360 everybody and then kind of putting things like the Third 1034 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.239 Reich down to that and other things that have happened 1035 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.280 in history, like the Inquisitions and stuff. I don't like 1036 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.000 that kind of thing, like we need to acknowledge that 1037 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.840 as a race, we're horrendous to each other and there's 1038 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.239 a bit of personal responsibility there. I don't really like 1039 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:53.119 when it's an extraterrestrial force that to justify, you know, 1040 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.199 the massacre of millions of people, and you know. 1041 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.440 It is It is pretty DC comics accurate, though, isn't it? 1042 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:06.920 Like so many things absolutely as if the plays Yeah, 1043 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.360 like if if if it had been a case where 1044 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.000 maybe you saw someone who was friendly to Oliver earlier 1045 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:13.039 on or something and they. 1046 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.079 Had turned or a group of people who liked him 1047 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.960 had turned or something. But just kind of like, look, 1048 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.760 it's not really the people. People are genuinely decent and stuff. 1049 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.760 Can I can I ask that because my memory of 1050 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.760 the whole the darkness thing is that it's it's not 1051 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.880 that people like individual people are all just getting possessed. 1052 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:39.440 It's like a cumulative kind of spreading atmosphere of darkness 1053 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.559 that that infects people's souls as opposed to them just 1054 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:45.440 being possessed. 1055 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:51.159 Yes, so a couple of people get possessed, possessed like 1056 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:55.679 Godfrey gets possessed Earth too, Lionel Luther gets possessed. But 1057 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:00.159 outside of that, yeah, it's it's this this pray is 1058 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.880 on your fear and your your you know, your your 1059 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.400 worst tendency, that's the webs, and then that that kind 1060 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.320 of makes you more inclined to react negatively and you know, xenophobia, 1061 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.280 you know, and all these sorts of things come out, 1062 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.480 and that's that's kind of what they're doing. And that's 1063 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.760 about the the UH Vigilante Registration Act. That's why people 1064 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.760 are on board for it, because oh, yeah, these heroes 1065 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.760 are bad news after all. And then you know, and it's 1066 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.039 like a snowball effect that compiles and compiles and compiles, 1067 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.119 which not a bad idea, but I don't know if 1068 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.199 they quite figure out exactly how to articulate it at 1069 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.440 the end of the day, because ultimately how does it 1070 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.719 gets solved? They see a cgi Superman push a planet away, 1071 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.840 and they're like, oh, well, I guess we're okay. I'm like, well, 1072 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.400 that's not really I needed this. I need to Superman 1073 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:50.719 for speech to the United Nations to solve all these 1074 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.960 But if we can't see Tom Money in the costume, 1075 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:53.920 you can't do it. And what are you gonna do? 1076 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:54.119 Right? 1077 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.639 So all these things just kind of it's a house 1078 00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.280 of cards that kind of doesn't quite hold on. 1079 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.159 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry to give ahead, but 1080 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.719 I'm I'm assuming you've got other plans for the finale. 1081 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.840 So I do have to ask this boy, Superman in 1082 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:11.159 this show is literally strong enough to push a planet away? 1083 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.039 Yeah, he's the best. 1084 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.719 Does that not make him the most power the Superman ever? 1085 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.559 Like even more powerful than like the Christopher Reever. 1086 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:23.119 Christoph you saw him struggling to push that moon get 1087 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.880 out of here? Man he puts to another galaxy. 1088 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.199 Yeah, it's like it's a planet that's supposed to be 1089 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.519 bigger than Earth. I want to say as well, So 1090 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:33.320 it's like that is absolutely the biggest feat of strength 1091 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:34.239 we've ever seen Superman. 1092 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:34.480 Do it? 1093 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.199 Absolutely take that Brandon ofth lifting up a continent and 1094 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.280 it's nothing, all right, So no, it's h he is 1095 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.840 true silvery superman power level at the end. That's why 1096 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.400 the show has to end because no, there's no other 1097 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:50.719 obstacle for him in that one. Yeah that's a good question. Yeah, 1098 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.320 well he gave up his powers, Allen, Okay. His family 1099 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.159 is not a weakness, Allen, Okay. 1100 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.480 So I often think about just retiring at forty. 1101 00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.719 Look, there's plenty of other police officers. They got it 1102 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.280 under they got it fined. You go home with your 1103 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.639 family the next generation. So the government they're raiding everywhere. 1104 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:14.599 They're going to Luther Corp. They're going to the hospital, 1105 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.719 they're collecting all these people. Uh fortunately, kind of like 1106 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:19.639 in between all this, Lewis and Clark go home. When 1107 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.079 they're like unpacking their presence and having a nice oh 1108 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.159 this and things aren't things wonderful, They turn on the 1109 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:25.840 TV and they see all this going down with Oliver, 1110 00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.159 and again this establishes Lois as a good understanding for 1111 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.159 like what his priorities are and he's like, no, I 1112 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:32.880 need to change that, and this has been the party 1113 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.440 for too long. But they're they're at a good place right, 1114 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.519 So she literally hands in the jacket right to go 1115 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.760 save the day that he does doesn't put it on though, 1116 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.840 by the way, to my point earlier, he's just see 1117 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.440 its hand of the jacket and he and yeah, he 1118 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.000 is super speeds off. She's like, oh, I guess the 1119 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.400 honeymoon's over. And I thought, you, guys, is that a 1120 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:53.920 writing thing or you're not married? 1121 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.519 This is oh yeah. 1122 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.360 I was just just saying, like, it doesn't there's perfectly 1123 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:01.960 void thing to say. I thought that was a funny line, 1124 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.440 like they act like they just got back from their 1125 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:04.920 wedding and their honeymoon and they had to go be 1126 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.880 Superman all of a sudden. But but you know, she's like, hey, 1127 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.599 you know, i'm journalism and ice cream your superhero stuff, 1128 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.159 Like I don't know. I this is a good scene 1129 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.480 in t thems for all for all the faults and 1130 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.480 criticisms we're having, for all these things, Like I think 1131 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.239 they their relationship is solid and the way they're presenting 1132 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:20.119 it to us is solid. 1133 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:21.920 Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. 1134 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.639 Then we start we start rounding up the test mercer. Right, 1135 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.400 she's reading the Daily Star, which I like the comment 1136 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.239 about the Daily Star cat Grant. Yeah, okay, kudos to 1137 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.039 cat Grant. I mean I was talking mess about her before. 1138 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:35.519 But she's like, hey, we should roam with this article. 1139 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.960 You know, we're losing subscribers. And she's like, well that 1140 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.719 was unsubstantiated facts, Like well, I mean he did get arrested. 1141 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.960 I mean like whatever, whatever, like he did, there was 1142 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.840 a story there, but obviously she's you know, protecting him. 1143 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.639 And Kat is very anti vigilante, so that that's in 1144 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.880 line with her character. But then the the government comes 1145 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.039 to take tests away and she's like, we'll talk to 1146 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.679 my you know, assistant, like we've cleared your schedule. So 1147 00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.880 the government that's a threatening government line. They go, they 1148 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.840 go get doctor Hamilton with the hospital and they got 1149 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.440 all these characters. They put them in you know, the 1150 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:11.000 Daily Planet test his office basically and start injerrogating them. 1151 00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.760 And meanwhile the heroes are at are at Watchdower and 1152 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:20.599 it's a it's Oliver and Hawkman and Stargirl and Black 1153 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.079 Canera's on the screen. So she's there, Hey, to their credit, 1154 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:25.880 you see like there's a picture of Flash on the screen. 1155 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:26.079 Right. 1156 00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.559 I'm like, okay, we're they exit, they're not here, but 1157 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:29.599 they're still here sort of. 1158 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.719 And it's around this time that they raid the farm, 1159 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:33.239 isn't it. 1160 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.199 Yes, small farm they're looking for I guess they were 1161 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.039 looking for Lowis, we're looking for Clark. I don't know 1162 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.079 which one they were looking for. 1163 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.360 So this this was my question. It hasn't been established 1164 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:43.920 that they know that Clark is the Brow at this 1165 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:44.679 point before. 1166 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.000 That was my question as well. 1167 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.039 Alan, Oh, okay, because I just assumed that there was 1168 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.079 some kind of something in a previous episode where they 1169 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.039 established this, like they put in two and two together 1170 00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:56.119 and Kicking four. 1171 00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:00.440 That they're smarter than any other Superman villains because the League. 1172 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.559 They're like, well, obviously this guy is the Blur, right, which. 1173 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.039 So I think that was because yeah, I was wondering, 1174 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:11.760 but I was wondering if it was it because Lois 1175 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.280 was engaged to Clark and they were aware that there 1176 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.440 was some kind of relationship between the two. Maybe and 1177 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.639 like that's obviously he's him. That's the only thing I 1178 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.679 was But I was worried that I had missed something 1179 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:24.360 in a previous episode where it would have been definitive, 1180 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.599 definitively established, but maybe not. 1181 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:32.679 You know, Well, in the episode where Stroke his first episode. 1182 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.719 At the end of it, Clark shows up to save 1183 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.400 the day and just talks to him like a person, 1184 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:39.880 like with no mask or anything. So, yeah, maybe that's 1185 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.280 how they know. So that could be the angle or 1186 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:43.960 they were just looking for Lois it was. It was 1187 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.480 vague to me too, Alan So but oh that the 1188 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.960 same Oh by the way, the same reporter. Shout out 1189 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 to this reporter. If it were today, she'd be Bethany 1190 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.159 Snow on News fifty two. But she's the one that 1191 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.079 interviewed Oliver Queen when he came out and said I 1192 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.960 am Green Arrow. She's the one on the news and like, 1193 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.679 vigilantes are attacking our citizens and all that sort of things. So, uh, 1194 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:06.199 to bring that whole thing into focus, they decide we 1195 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.559 got to go underground, right, We're gonna turn off they 1196 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.480 just we're gonna turn off watchtowers. So they go over 1197 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.119 to the big switch and they they. 1198 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.960 Turn off from the Batman is no more. 1199 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:16.800 That's not the same thing. 1200 00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:20.199 You can't there's monsters out there. 1201 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.440 Batman is what does he say? 1202 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.000 Badman is to protect the people. 1203 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.119 Sorry, Jase's coming over for dinner. I'm telling her everything. 1204 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.599 This this this overreaction of like everyone wants to retire 1205 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.639 and shut everything down in fine, And just the fact 1206 00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.519 that there'd be a giant lever for him, like like 1207 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.239 a mad scientist laugher and just turn it all off, Well, 1208 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.440 I felt bad for his black Canary. 1209 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.119 They don't even say goodbye. The screen just goes black. 1210 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:52.079 I I had trouble with this because it's a secret hideout. 1211 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.519 Why do they need to shut down the secret hideout? 1212 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:55.960 Right? 1213 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.039 They don't, Like, there's no tactical advantage to this at all. 1214 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.679 And I'm close, Like, as much as we're talking about 1215 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.719 the blur and his costume, his modus operandi is still 1216 00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.920 that no one can see him operate, Like they don't 1217 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.639 even have a picture of him on the wanted poster. 1218 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:11.480 I want to get back to that wanted poster. 1219 00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:11.599 In a sec. 1220 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.840 But yeah, that the whole idea of them going dark 1221 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.440 as heroes doesn't just didn't. I understand that Clark needs 1222 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.239 to make himself scarce scarce as Clark Kent as well, 1223 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.599 That that part makes sense, But the idea of the 1224 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.280 heroes having to give up in here, I just didn't didn't. 1225 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.920 But even the fact that they're already underground exactly that 1226 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.760 they're operating under the radar, so we're just. 1227 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:36.440 Going to secret identity, deep undercover, deeper under cover. 1228 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:41.320 Yeah, because like Carter Hall, your own sabbatical, Courtney Whitmore, 1229 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:45.079 you're studying abroad, Clark Kin no more? How long is 1230 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:46.280 this sustainable? You know? 1231 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:48.760 I was I was half expecting to just kind of 1232 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.480 show a scene of them walking out of the Watchtown 1233 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.000 with like fake mustaches or glasses. 1234 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.880 I gotta say that they're they're walking out after they 1235 00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.920 shut everything down, way over dramatic. 1236 00:55:59.199 --> 00:55:59.800 Why did they do? 1237 00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:03.920 It's like like so motion. I'm like, it's not it's 1238 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:04.360 not the end. 1239 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.039 It's not the end of stand by Me, like where 1240 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.280 people are just disappearing. 1241 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.960 What it did remind me of, though, is the end 1242 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.559 of the season eight, right, because that's when you know 1243 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.400 the doomsday episode when it's just Chloe and Clark is like, 1244 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.039 Clark k is dead. Humananity is by weakness, I need 1245 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.800 to embrace by alien side. He just and you just 1246 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.400 slowly feel the dreams fades away and through those same doors. 1247 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.000 I was like, guys, it doesn't just stop with that. 1248 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.320 That's it doesn't work anyway. It was just Oh, also 1249 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:31.039 in this whole sequence is when they find out Slatest 1250 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.679 still alive. You also had a death stroke in your 1251 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:36.599 final season on your show. I call it your show. 1252 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:41.159 You guys know what I mean? He knows which one's worse. 1253 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.000 I honestly don't know. 1254 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.480 I reminded of a skit from a Family Guy where 1255 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.239 the general Halls are sitting at the table talking about 1256 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.639 you know which one is better, and Peter goes, you're 1257 00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:02.199 both just awful. You're both awful. Yeah, death stroke and 1258 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:05.199 Clark was never really death stroke in anything but Name 1259 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.519 and this guy. I think I saw a poster a 1260 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.800 comment you made during the week where you call him 1261 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:12.320 death stroke McCann or. 1262 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:17.599 John m you guys being non Americans. John McCain's a 1263 00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.400 famous politician, we were not. 1264 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:21.519 We're not that real mode. 1265 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.079 I don't know the world is watching. 1266 00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:29.280 But yeah, that that that was very apt and like 1267 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.079 the one thing that that didn't. This actor play a 1268 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.079 very similar role in Battle Clever. 1269 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.480 Michael Hogan. He played Colonel Tyle. Boss got a fantastic show. 1270 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.639 I highly recommend The Boss. Anyone who is interested in 1271 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.280 sci fi is when the best sci fi shows ever. 1272 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.440 He plays a great character on that show. He has 1273 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:49.239 an eye patch on that show, So I'm like, oh, well, 1274 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.000 I guess that's good. I don't really think about death 1275 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.159 stroke when I was watching Smallville, I was like, well, 1276 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.039 that's kind of a weird old guy with okay, sure whatever, 1277 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.239 And now like I know what death stroke is, I'm like, 1278 00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:01.000 this is terrible casting. No, he did a good job 1279 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.320 in his episode Patriot and he was just the character, 1280 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:09.960 but now he's he's this and where do you come down? 1281 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.360 You come down on lels and Clark is better than 1282 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:13.079 this one. 1283 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.599 I would say. I agree with Alan, Like the biggest 1284 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.639 problem with death stroke and Lewson Clark is that he's 1285 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.199 called death stroke. If they called him doctor Polaris, that 1286 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.760 actually would have been perfect doctor Polaris because he has 1287 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.480 magneto powers, you know, and it's actually really cool. It's 1288 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.559 a fun little episode in a really bad season of 1289 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.920 that show, whereas here it's like one step forward and 1290 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.920 two steps back or like four step back, like you know, 1291 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.400 he actually isn't the worst, Like conceptually, he's not the 1292 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.280 worst iteration of death stroke. Like a lot of the 1293 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:46.320 stuff is there, I think, And I'm like, he's a 1294 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.239 master's swordsman, and does death stroke have a healing factor. 1295 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:50.760 Is that a thing. 1296 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.400 I don't think so, I mean, I don't know. I 1297 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.360 mean Deadpool, he's a dead Deadpool is a rip off 1298 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.880 a death Strokes. Maybe that's maybe the lions get blurred there. 1299 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:00.920 I see what you mean. 1300 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.719 Yeah, I think conceptually it's all fine. The casting is 1301 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.360 all wrong on the look is all wrong. That line 1302 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.119 he says near the end Fellas. 1303 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.440 We're gonna we're gonna save on that. We're gonna We're 1304 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:11.800 gonna hold that line. 1305 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.000 So I would say I'm conflicted, but I kind of 1306 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.000 feel like this one's worse. 1307 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.440 Yeah, sorry to both your points. The loophole is on 1308 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.559 Lewis and Clark. He's not like death stroke really, it's 1309 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.320 a name they attached to somebody. So that's the loophole 1310 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:26.880 that makes him not the worst death stroke in this 1311 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.000 They were trying to do the Slade Wilson death stroke 1312 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.360 and it's not good. So I and I'm tired of 1313 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:34.280 small little Season ten. I have to say, you know, well, 1314 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.599 this is the worst version of this character, and this 1315 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.920 is the worst version of this character. And this is 1316 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.280 the worst version of this character. I'm like, it's getting exhaustingly. 1317 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.559 The suicide squad is lame, this season dark Side and 1318 00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.760 his minions are lame. This Granny Goodness was good, but 1319 00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.639 the other one's lame. I'm like, oh, Man, season ten, 1320 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.760 you're you're you were doing so well Smavo with all 1321 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.280 your interpretations of other characters. And to Rob's point, it's 1322 00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.119 because we're in supermanland now, and like that's that's a 1323 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.880 huge thing because he's in ten. Is this it's very 1324 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.119 kind of Mitch smash all these things and this episode 1325 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.719 is a great it's a great representation of how just 1326 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.400 everything is here and sometimes everything doesn't fit together too well. 1327 01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:13.599 Yeah, he doesn't. 1328 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.119 He's the TV's like, wow, I survived the explosion was 1329 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:17.880 not with that great costs? And he points to this 1330 01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:22.599 giant ass can I can? 1331 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:26.920 I just just one thing that the Superman homepage review 1332 01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.920 alerted me to this fact the wanted poster that has 1333 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.239 all the heroes and it has Impulse on it, which 1334 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.559 is nice. It was cyberguns. And come back to the 1335 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.840 main question. Though Supergirl, she's called Supergirl? I did not. 1336 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.119 I never Oh, yes, she is literally called Supergirl in 1337 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:43.960 the kindon of the show. 1338 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.840 Is that correct, Well, there's an episode it's called Supergirl. 1339 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:49.639 That episode, Yeah, I know that chat, and then I 1340 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.280 had seen I want to bring this up, so I'm 1341 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.599 glad you so like there was like a Maiden of 1342 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.119 Might headlines and I'm like, okay, I see you want 1343 01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.119 to call that because there's absolutely no way you would 1344 01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.480 call her Supergirl for Superman exists. 1345 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:01.519 Of course. 1346 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.480 And then here they're like, oh, what's Supergirl right the 1347 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.679 prop department something the wires got crossed. 1348 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:11.760 Somewhere crazy, Yeah, it's the hero as often as they 1349 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:13.360 do because they say that word a lot, like that 1350 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.880 word shouldn't exist either, but like literally calling her a Supergirl, 1351 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:17.639 it's just like. 1352 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.519 Well, yeah, I mean it's the It's so yeah, that's 1353 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.480 literally the next scene is that this this most wanted 1354 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:23.199 we have the blur, right, We had just have his 1355 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.679 S picture, which is funny because Supergirl is also she 1356 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.159 has the S on her bracelet. 1357 01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:27.679 You know. 1358 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.320 So my thinking was, you know, I'm rewriting all these 1359 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.000 episode season T episodes as as I go, as I 1360 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.000 cover him, like they should have said Supergirl was the 1361 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:38.239 blur and that could have solved a lot of problems 1362 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.239 for Clark and like that, oh that was a different 1363 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.320 entity and now Superman is different or whatever. But yeah, 1364 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:47.360 just just to see her called Supergirl. What's also funny 1365 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:49.840 to me? In this wanted poster, by the way, green 1366 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.920 Arrow is a sketch. You have a picture of Oliver Queen. 1367 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:56.639 I don't know Dan. That's weird now, Achaman, they know 1368 01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:58.239 who he is because I think Lex knew he was 1369 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.440 years ago, and that Sitana got mixed up in this 1370 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.440 like she she knows them, But why are you shoot 1371 01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.559 on this list? Like she's a magician at a a 1372 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:10.960 traveling magician as far as they know. But Hawkman is hit. 1373 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.760 That's his mug shot from the well, I would say 1374 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.840 from the eighties. But you know, I had Jeff John's 1375 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.000 on the show. We talked about absolute justice and in 1376 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.000 his mind, the Jess society was always like in the forties. 1377 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.199 I'm like, okay, yeah, I don't know how that works 1378 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:25.880 in the timeline of small though, but fair enough, like 1379 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:27.599 that's what they're on new drills and stuff, and so 1380 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.079 that's that's how long Hawkman's been around. But yeah, that's 1381 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:33.199 I'm trying to think of any heroes they would be 1382 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.599 missing here. Oh with Marsha Manhunter, Martian Manhunter's not not here, 1383 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.920 another the cyborg m So. 1384 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.800 I'm where is Marshmann Hunder at this point in the show. 1385 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.039 Oh, well, he's gonna be the funeral later. But that's it, 1386 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.000 Like he's a detective in Metropolis. He had a great 1387 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.280 checkmate in season nine, was a fantastic Martian Man Hunter 1388 01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:56.320 showcase episode. And to your point, Rob about how this 1389 01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.280 is a Superman show, that was episode straight out of 1390 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.599 JAILU Like everybody was involved. Amanda Waller was there, Clark 1391 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.400 had to break in like it was a great episode. 1392 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.880 That was his last episode. 1393 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.280 That's a Jackie Brown plays. 1394 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:12.400 Yeah, Phil Morris, Jackie Chiles, that's who. Yeah, but oh 1395 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.719 jack I would say Jackie Brown. I was sign filled 1396 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.599 Jackie Brown, Pam Greer, Amanda Waller got it. Yeah, it 1397 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:20.880 across my streams there. 1398 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:22.719 Now. 1399 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.280 Phil Morris did appear on a screen at the end 1400 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.559 of season nine. That was his official ending, and then 1401 01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.360 they mentioned him once. Kloe calls him my favorite Martian 1402 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.639 sometime this season, which is hilarious. But that's that's the 1403 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:35.960 end of him. 1404 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:36.320 Yeah. 1405 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.800 They should have Cyberg on here. Yeah, I mean they 1406 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.840 both should be on here more than Zatana. You know, 1407 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.199 I'm sure Luther Korp has some security finish of him 1408 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.800 doing something but anyway, and this is what I'm saying, y'all, Like, 1409 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.440 I don't I don't know if this was the right 1410 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.119 thing to conflate all these plot lines in season ten, 1411 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.440 Like we have dark Side in his minions. We have 1412 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.639 like the government coming after the Heroes. We have Clark 1413 01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.280 becoming Superman. We have Lows and Clark getting engaged, like 1414 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.000 I don't know, like we have the returnal legs too, 1415 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.280 Like it's way too much going on now. I think 1416 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.079 they're hedging their bets because they didn't really know how 1417 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.960 the Lex Luthor thing was gonna turn out. I mean, honestly, 1418 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.360 like that was probably a big reason they threw all 1419 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:12.079 the stuff off the wall. 1420 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.280 If you were to go back and cut something, would 1421 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.960 you would you cut some of those stories completely out 1422 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:17.119 of it? 1423 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:20.320 If you could go back, and I would probably cut 1424 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.440 dark Side, And I would get that because because you 1425 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.159 should make make the government the villain. I mean, I 1426 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.760 don't know, I don't know, But it's just like these 1427 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.320 emerging superpowered people, there would be people who would want 1428 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:35.440 to control them, and then Superman would come out of 1429 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.360 the end and say no, no, no, like like like 1430 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.440 he should be the guy that turns the Tide and 1431 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.280 what however, that books right at the end, and then 1432 01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:44.679 you just you don't need dark Side or Apocalypse or 1433 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.840 Granny Goodness or Decide or godfree like like to our 1434 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:49.880 point here, like you don't need evil forces whispering in 1435 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.719 people's ears to be bad people like people are gonna 1436 01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:54.079 be people are gonna be bad all the light on 1437 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.400 their own. So I would cut I would cut that 1438 01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.480 out entirely, and I think you would have enough real 1439 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.400 estate is And then I would also remove the suicide 1440 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.880 Squad because for some reason, the Suicide Squad got conflated 1441 01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:07.400 with like the VR thing. I'm like, you guys are, yeah, 1442 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:09.639 Chloe's gonna show up being in charge of them and 1443 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.599 like being in the matrix like the next episode, and 1444 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.400 I'm like, what is this about? I would also remove 1445 01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:15.719 remove that. So that's what I would do. 1446 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.800 I actually disagree. I I really like, well, I have 1447 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.719 to be careful what to say here. 1448 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:21.920 Now. 1449 01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:25.719 I get that it is a bad adaptation of Dark Side, 1450 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:28.440 Like there's no arguments there, but I do really like 1451 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:32.199 that the the overall challenge that Clark has to become 1452 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.599 in his final hurdle to becoming Superman, as he has 1453 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.920 to take on this darkness that is kind of just 1454 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:43.239 this etherial metaphysical thing that's affecting the whole world, and 1455 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.880 only a beacon of light and courage and hope as 1456 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.880 powerful as Superman can can stop that. But first, in 1457 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.920 order to stop that, Clark has to, you know, tackle 1458 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.960 the darkness that's growing inside himself. And it as a wonderful, 1459 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.800 wonderful scene with Jonathan as a ghost at the top 1460 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:01.719 of the season where he's talking about the darkness that's 1461 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.079 coming and all this stuff. I really like all that stuff. 1462 01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:06.559 What I I don't like this v ra stuff at all. 1463 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.199 I remember at the time thinking this just feels like 1464 01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:13.440 a huge filler storyline. It's kind of ripping off Watchmen, 1465 01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.199 which had only recently the movie had come out, and 1466 01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:18.960 everyone was saying that at the time, like this is 1467 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.760 just copying Watchmen, and and it also the fact that 1468 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:27.000 we even need a Vigilanti Registration Act because there are 1469 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:32.079 so many superheroes in this world just highlights how ridiculous 1470 01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:34.440 it is that there are so many superheroes in a 1471 01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.920 world that does before Superman, before Superman. It just even 1472 01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.840 then I remember thinking, God, this is this is a lot, 1473 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.719 you know, and so yeah, I would get rid of 1474 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.559 the v Ra stuff and just focus on the Darkness 1475 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:47.800 and Clark becoming Superman. 1476 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.400 And I see that, I think thematically, I understand that. 1477 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.199 I just I think dark Side, like he the reach 1478 01:06:54.320 --> 01:07:00.119 exceeded their grasp with dark Side, and especially knowing what 1479 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.519 they ended up having to do, like the Returnal likes 1480 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:06.599 Luthor though more than anything, that would be my number 1481 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:07.239 one plot. 1482 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.639 But yeah, but yeah, but I can I can cletely 1483 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.000 understand why they couldn't nail themselves to that cross with 1484 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.760 you know, casting and stuff. But I can kind of 1485 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.719 see from both your angles. Yes, I don't think the 1486 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.000 dark Side stuff or the Omega stuff was done very well. 1487 01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.239 The Apocalypse stuff has done very well. I think you 1488 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.679 could have a situation where the government has overreach and 1489 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.599 you know, things are really grim and Metropolis or grimm 1490 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:35.559 around the world, and the only thing that kind of 1491 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.880 drags hu many out of that is the appearance of Superman. 1492 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.599 Who's this you know, bastion of Hope and everything. I 1493 01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:46.280 don't know if the government storyline could have would have 1494 01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.480 worked for twenty four episodes. I don't know if they 1495 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:50.960 would have gone twenty four episodes out of that I 1496 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.119 think it's a lot. Maybe you'd have to add something 1497 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:54.679 to you have to have some kind of a big 1498 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.320 bad for him to fight in the final episode. Was 1499 01:07:57.559 --> 01:07:58.800 there ever any kind of. 1500 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.920 Like los Allen asked to fight in the final episode? 1501 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:03.440 Was that river? 1502 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.320 And maybe maybe you don't know that, but was the river? 1503 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.119 Any kind of a discussion about maybe having him turn 1504 01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:11.119 into Superman before the very end of the season, maybe 1505 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.800 having a few episodes off him or anything like that 1506 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.519 where maybe in the mid season he would turn into 1507 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.520 Superman and you just get some kind of. 1508 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.119 Well as the story goes out. The original script for 1509 01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:23.720 the series finale was he was gonna be Superman like 1510 01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.239 in the first scene, and then I have two episodes 1511 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:26.680 of Superman. 1512 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:27.079 Wow. 1513 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.600 And then Tom Allen was like, Nah, I don't think 1514 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.479 that's our show, and I don't want to wear the costume. 1515 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.680 We're gonna change that, and that is the biggest we got. 1516 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:37.119 What we got? 1517 01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:38.560 Soh my god, man. 1518 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.039 Lots of conflicting interest. Now here's here's the thing, right, 1519 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:43.520 I have been pretty hard on Tom over the years 1520 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.199 about that. I think look, in twenty twenty four, Tom 1521 01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.119 would have been Superman, right, but at the time he 1522 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.800 just wasn't there for it, man, And it's still frustration, 1523 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:53.840 like I'm not gonna lie. I'm like the whole one 1524 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:55.399 of the show has he become Superman. But when he 1525 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:56.720 signed up in two thousand and one to do this, 1526 01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.239 you know, that was like, sure, I'll do like a 1527 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.640 last scene or some one thing. I guess now, Alan Miles, right, 1528 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:04.359 the creator of the show, They have said like, look, 1529 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.199 if they were still around, they would have gotten Tom 1530 01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:08.920 to put on a Superman costume. Like they probably had 1531 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.520 more sway over him than now because he's an executive 1532 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.720 producer on the show. I mean, he's putting this time. 1533 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.359 He has his say, that's his right to do it, 1534 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.079 but come on, man. 1535 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.279 Like I just this thing I keep coming back to 1536 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:24.399 is he was concerned about only ever being seen as Superman. 1537 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:29.600 You know. But you know, even then, if you googled 1538 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:33.399 Tom Welling Superman, like your Google images would just be 1539 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.520 full of photoshops of them wearing the costume. Like everyone 1540 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.399 I talked to about the show who didn't watch it, 1541 01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:40.920 they're all they're always like, oh, yeah, well he obviously 1542 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.760 wore the suit at one stage, right, And I was like, nope, 1543 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.239 he never wore it, and They're like, wait, what, they 1544 01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:48.439 don't believe you because they've seen all these images of 1545 01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.000 him wearing the suit that are just photoshopped, so it 1546 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.720 didn't even make sense. Then, you know, I just. 1547 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.159 Never I'm still I'm still bitter whatever, but I'm not 1548 01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.640 even wearing the suit, which is bad enough. I'm still 1549 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:01.680 bitter about the fact that they didn't have their own 1550 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.520 suit because they didn't have the show. 1551 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.880 Well, if he would have worn it, they would have 1552 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:09.439 had to make their own suit. But since it was like, well, 1553 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:12.159 you're not gonna wear it, well, then here, we'll just 1554 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.640 use the Superman Returns prop. There you are, and it's tough, y'all. 1555 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.079 It's it's I'm coming down to like the realization again 1556 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:22.720 that he didn't put on the costume and stuff. 1557 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.640 Now, maybe he would have put on the Superman Lives costume. 1558 01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.079 I I would have. It's so interesting that, you know, 1559 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.720 Superman Returns came out during the show, so the show 1560 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.119 kind of had to adopt that. I mean, you look 1561 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.680 at the as it's not exactly the Superme Returns S, 1562 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.720 but it's it's way more in that style than anything else. 1563 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.359 But I'm like that never showed up. They would have 1564 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.000 stuck with like the probably more christ Reeve as Gas 1565 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:50.600 and you know, because so much because you know the 1566 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:52.800 the CGI Superman we always see he has the gold 1567 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.680 ass on the back of his cape and anyway, yeah, 1568 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:59.920 oh man, but yes, it's I think we're all agree 1569 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:02.079 with whatever they were doing wasn't quite working, wasn't quite 1570 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:04.239 fitting together, and I think dropping some element to make 1571 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:08.000 another element would have been preferred. And I think to 1572 01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:09.840 me the answer is lex Luthor. But if you don't 1573 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.840 have the actor and they're not gonna recast, and they 1574 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.439 went down to the last possible second before they got 1575 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.239 Michael back, so they can't hitch all your horses on 1576 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:22.039 that wagon, right, But I don't know, it's it's tough, 1577 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.279 and you didn't. The thing is, if you, like you said, 1578 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.199 could could the v R A kind of take that 1579 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.359 whole Could it carry a whole season? Maybe not, but 1580 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.720 then you have more opportunity for episodic stuff like, oh, 1581 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.680 here's a let's do it. I have an idea. Let's 1582 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:37.119 have a story as the Daily Planet, and we have 1583 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.600 to cover this episode or for example, because at this 1584 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.279 point everything is everything is the big plot. There's no 1585 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:47.199 side stuff anymore. Why season nine is That's why I 1586 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.039 like Season nine so much. It's this whole arcing season, 1587 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:51.159 but there are a little you have this episode or 1588 01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:53.359 that episode, and you know, and all it's all kind 1589 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.119 of building towards the same thing. Season ten is just 1590 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:57.159 like we are all over the place. 1591 01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.840 Well that's what That's what I liked with that bench 1592 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:02.079 episode because I often say it like I said that 1593 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:03.760 a nauseum that you know, I grew up in that 1594 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.399 episodic like we ordered that episodic generation of TV like 1595 01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:09.239 TNG and all that kind of stuff. And I really 1596 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.199 enjoyed watching Benshi because it was pretty self contained, you know, 1597 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:16.039 the one where they go on their their couple's retreat 1598 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:18.399 or whatever. But I was a little bit worried that 1599 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.279 this one, remembering that season ten was was a full 1600 01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:25.079 story arc throughout that I would be completely lost. But 1601 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.520 I slid back into it pretty quickly and pretty easily, 1602 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.760 and even just for one shot. Even though it's a 1603 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.399 lot of stuff obviously happening, and a lot of stuff 1604 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:32.840 leaving up to this, and there's a lot of stuff 1605 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:36.399 to come afterwards, I still enjoyed the episode, the experience 1606 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:38.960 of sitting down and watching it and following the story 1607 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.760 of this one episode and the fact that I had 1608 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.319 a proposal and it had all that kind of stuff 1609 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:44.720 and it you know, I didn't enjoy it. I did 1610 01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:45.960 enjoy that those aspects of it. 1611 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:47.920 Well, no, I'm glad I was. I was a little 1612 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:50.520 concerned because once I rewatched this, I was like, man, 1613 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.479 this is pretty heavy for these guys. I know you 1614 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.840 had some small knowledge from before, so only that helped you. 1615 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.199 Because this is literally every plot line going on here 1616 01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.000 is here. So they're interrogating all the good guys, right, 1617 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:05.960 And Lieutenant Trotter is a death Strokes lieutenant here and 1618 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.319 she was in uh Patriot a couple of sodes ago, 1619 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:10.359 she's in this episode. She's in the next episode as well, 1620 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.720 and she's uh. She actually in her interview with Ola 1621 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:15.720 speaking about do they know Clark is the Blur, She's like, 1622 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:17.920 I hope your fiance is not the jealous type considering 1623 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.760 your close relationship with the Blur, I'm like, okay, so 1624 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:25.000 that makes me think, you know they know? Yeah, And 1625 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:26.840 they also, by the way, they also know his his 1626 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:29.600 his weakness because they make a kryptonite cage in the 1627 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:33.079 episode that the death stroke dies in, so Okay, you 1628 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:39.079 know they know a lot about what's going on. Well, yeah, 1629 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.039 because the next thing, they all the Green Arrow, Hawkman, 1630 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.560 and Clark all show up in your death Strokes office here. 1631 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.039 And it's funny because they had said, we got to 1632 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:48.880 go off the grid. We can't communicate with don't you 1633 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.520 have like a secret channel you could? I mean, right, 1634 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:55.359 what have you guys been doing anyway? Like no, wonder 1635 01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.960 we don't see cyborg impulse than anybody. You guys can't 1636 01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:01.560 even communicate here, right, But it's it's it's bringing the 1637 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.840 three of them together and uh, they're like, what are 1638 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.840 you doing here? The same thing as you looking for answers? 1639 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.279 And you know, I like hawk Here's my struggle with 1640 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:11.000 Hawkman is I think Michael Shanks is like character wise 1641 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.279 and like, yes, he's the best hawk Man. The only 1642 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.319 thing I'm like, ah, man, his helmet kind of looks weird, 1643 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:16.479 but I think, you know, we'll see it in a 1644 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.920 second here. But the feathers, I think they finally figure 1645 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:22.279 out the feathers like they look good in this episode 1646 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:25.159 because and absolute justice. I was like, I don't know, y'all, 1647 01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.359 that's a little but I think they have perfected that 1648 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.439 so there's I think just made that that cow look 1649 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:32.399 better on hawk Man. But but I like it, like 1650 01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:34.880 he's the veteran hero. He's the one here taking charge, 1651 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:36.920 you know. So so I like his approach, like his 1652 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.079 angle here and he's the one like he led the 1653 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.279 golden age of superheroes on Smallville and Clark is gonna 1654 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:45.119 lead the silver age of superheroes on Smallville. 1655 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.520 So I love it. When they said that was great, 1656 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:50.439 you lead this generation. 1657 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.960 Silverage pure, it was yeah. But you know, during this scene, 1658 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.079 Clark's like, oh, man, like if they know about Lois 1659 01:14:57.119 --> 01:14:58.600 and the blur, like what kind of marriage is that 1660 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:02.039 gonna be? So they're they're planning some doubts unfortunately for Clark, 1661 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:05.159 which you're gonna like that's the thing, right, Like they're 1662 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:06.880 on the same page. Things are great, but they keep 1663 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:08.880 they gotta find that drama. So literally, up until the 1664 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.560 second to last episode, I was like, I don't know 1665 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:12.199 if we can get married Clark, because you're gonna be 1666 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.199 a superhero. I'm like, guys, could we not have done that? 1667 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.479 Like it's just like, oh my goshhough and it's been 1668 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:23.239 done before for for Smallville, Like at least that's the 1669 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:26.800 more adult, like, that's a real conversation to have on 1670 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.199 like all the Lata high school stuff. So we have 1671 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:31.800 matured in our CW drama. 1672 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:36.199 I think how old are Clark and Lewis in season ten? Roughly? 1673 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:38.079 Are they like twenty six twenty five? 1674 01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:43.000 They are twenty five? Lois maybe twenty because Clark is 1675 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.479 fifteen and season one he's probably fourteen, and I round 1676 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.760 up a little bit, so at some point he's fifteen, yeah, okay, 1677 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:50.880 and then ten years later Low's twenty. 1678 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:52.560 Yeah, because twenty. It's one thing that when I was 1679 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.159 watching it the last night, obviously, look, they have to 1680 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.880 progress the relationship, but I always thought that I can 1681 01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:01.319 never quite accept Lowis Lane wanted to be a wife 1682 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:02.359 and married to twenty five. 1683 01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:05.000 Well that's why they don't get married for seven more 1684 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:09.039 years out. Yeah, maybe that's part of it. I think 1685 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.880 she's then thirty two. It's insane how young these people 1686 01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:14.880 are supposed to because we're all much older than them now, 1687 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:16.560 and I just still got there. I was like, I'm 1688 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:18.039 gonna grow up and be this Clark getting one day 1689 01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:19.119 I'm way older than him. 1690 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:24.640 Yeah. I turned forty two weeks ago, man, and it's wow. 1691 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:27.760 Not me for six? 1692 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:29.960 How old and just how old are how old Lewis 1693 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:31.800 and Clark? How old are Lowis and Clark on Lewis 1694 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.800 and Clark in their mid twenties. 1695 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:37.560 Their twenty Clark is twenty six in season one? 1696 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.039 Wait, because then yeah, he turns up he's twenty six. 1697 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:41.880 Okay, Yeah, that was holding. 1698 01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.880 That's amazing that, like Dean and Terry were younger than 1699 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.000 Tom and Erica were when they like started playing these 1700 01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:48.279 younger versions of the characters. 1701 01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:52.399 I think right, Gerard Christopher, who played super Boy, was 1702 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:56.159 thirty one he played super Boy, and he was like 1703 01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.560 seven years older than Dean Kine was when he played 1704 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:01.680 super a couple of years. 1705 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:04.880 It's like, what was what was Chrisphreevey twenty six in 1706 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.000 Superman Movie twenty six? Like it's he's. 1707 01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:12.000 Four twenty four when he got cast cast film most 1708 01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:12.199 of it. 1709 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:14.640 They don't make him like they used to guys. 1710 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.199 No, no, they don't. 1711 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:18.199 Did you wonder who else was gonna pop out of 1712 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:19.880 the shadows though? In the scene, because like first it's 1713 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:21.600 Clark and then it's hawk Man and the green Arrow 1714 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.720 was like, well the big three of us? Is everybody here? 1715 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:26.079 Like I thought that was amusing. 1716 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.279 I just wanted to know how they found the office 1717 01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.960 and got into it so quick, because you know, there 1718 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:33.399 was it was it was like that. That's how there's 1719 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:35.800 there's an episode in the season one of those in 1720 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.399 Clark where they have to break into his government facility 1721 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.000 and there's a guy who gives him a key card. 1722 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.960 He talks about how amazing the security system is, and 1723 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:46.119 it's just swiping the card and walking straight in. There's 1724 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:47.720 nothing to do with a kind of interview that. 1725 01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:50.479 There's something to be said for, like what kind of episode, 1726 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:52.000 what kind of story we tell it? Are we telling? 1727 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:54.279 We got to break in this facility, like because you 1728 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.039 could make an entire episode about what they are doing 1729 01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:58.960 right now, But instead it's like one scene and they're 1730 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.520 all there and they're like all right, yeah, we move on. 1731 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:03.880 They all have people except for green Earrow. What's funny 1732 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:05.319 is like they talk about Greenrow like we're not really 1733 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.520 interested in you, We're just interested in your French because 1734 01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:10.720 you're just a human, you have no abilities. 1735 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.000 And then they find this document. This is the kind 1736 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.840 of operational document is Icarus document? And is that that's 1737 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:17.880 just a list basically of all the vigilantes and all 1738 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:19.960 their associates that they're going to target. Is that what 1739 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:20.279 that is? 1740 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.319 It is the list of all of the Double O 1741 01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:27.880 agents and their code names. It is the is the 1742 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:33.399 list of Mission impossible in Skyfall, every espionage film ever made. 1743 01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:35.319 But this is you know, this is by the way, 1744 01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:39.039 episode titles an episode post one because Icarus. Right. It 1745 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.039 was weird because later on we see Hawkman in his 1746 01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.479 wings on fire. I'm like, oh, is that that's the 1747 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:47.399 Icarus reference? But no, it's it's it's this. I'm like, oh, okay, sure, small, well, 1748 01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:47.800 that's fine. 1749 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:51.279 I have a I have kind of a life rule 1750 01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:56.479 that anytime I hear someone explain the legend of Icarus 1751 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:59.079 in a TV show or a movie, now I have 1752 01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.000 to finish my drink just for the rest. 1753 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:01.239 Of my life. 1754 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.720 It's just a drinking game I'm playing because it happens 1755 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:09.079 in every single genre show. Cobra Kai last year, we're 1756 01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:12.800 talking about Icarus. You know this that James Bond on 1757 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.560 another day it's it's Icarus and we have to explain 1758 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.520 what Icarus is and he flew too close the Sun. 1759 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.079 It just seems to come up every single time, and 1760 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:23.119 every single time we have to explain but it's it's 1761 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:23.800 in everything. 1762 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:23.960 Man. 1763 01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:26.000 I'm just like, we get it, we know whats is. 1764 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:27.159 You don't need to explain. 1765 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.119 I'm sure there's a Star Trek episode where they just 1766 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:31.000 bound to be. 1767 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:32.760 It's probably the US. There's a scene. 1768 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:35.359 Surely there's a scene in a previous season where John 1769 01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:36.680 Glover mentions it or something. 1770 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.359 Surely the story Vicarus. 1771 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:46.720 We ever heard the story of us claw Icarus was 1772 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:49.720 and his son day Dallas, but. 1773 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:51.640 He didn't realize. 1774 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.720 You can actually see that. You can see the way 1775 01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:55.159 they'd frame that scene. 1776 01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:59.960 Absolutely, I can picture my head gex I. 1777 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.479 I thought it was so funny that Oliver Oliver I 1778 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:07.840 had to explain to Hawkman what Icarus was. Cowman Oliver. 1779 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:12.000 Like, well, hawk Man, he's he's a historian here, obviously 1780 01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:13.760 he's been for thousands of years. He starts talking about 1781 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:14.600 and this is what we're talking about. 1782 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:15.560 Probably knew the guy. 1783 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:20.279 I knew it. Ni Cheras was an asshole. But he's 1784 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.079 talk talking about the Spanish Inquisition, the Third Reich. You know, 1785 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:26.760 the darkness has been here before several times, right, I'm like, okay, 1786 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.880 well they I've forgotten this element. And I thought, like 1787 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:33.039 I thought the darkness like the only thing that stopped 1788 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:35.800 here was Superman, but I guess other things stopped it before, 1789 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.880 so I guess Superman is not that special. Uh, I 1790 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.079 don't know what are you saying here? 1791 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:41.359 Show? 1792 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.000 Like, I don't know. I had forgotten the fact that 1793 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.880 they had. As we talked about earlier, I conflated the 1794 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:53.560 darkness of history with choice, you feel like, but using 1795 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.039 using world history atrocities to kind of like hype up 1796 01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:58.439 your villain is an odd choice. 1797 01:20:58.600 --> 01:20:59.640 I don't know if I agree with. 1798 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:02.840 No, that's what I'm saying earlier on. I don't like it. 1799 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:04.760 I don't like when they try and justify things that 1800 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.720 have legitimately happened with this stuff. But look, it is 1801 01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:08.359 what it is. 1802 01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:11.159 Yeah, within Like, where do you guys stand on Nazis 1803 01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:15.039 being used as villains in genre movies like Indiana Jones 1804 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:15.479 and stuff. 1805 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:16.840 I don't mind that as bad. 1806 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.079 That's a different speed though, don't you think, because like 1807 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.239 they're in the era and like obviously those are the 1808 01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:24.800 bad guys there. Yeah, they didn't say, oh no, Hitler 1809 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:26.720 would have been cool if like dark Side didn't come 1810 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:28.359 tell them what to do, like you know, like that's 1811 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:28.880 the difference. 1812 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:33.880 Yea, if the Arc of the Covenants had created the Nazis, 1813 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.960 I would have been like, okay, no, the fact that 1814 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.720 they're the actual No, I don't mind that. I don't 1815 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:41.279 mind that at all. I don't mind that at all. 1816 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:43.640 The reason I bring it up was we were watching 1817 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:47.760 of all things, Crisis on Earth cht and seriously saw 1818 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:51.039 these Nazis. She was like, wait, what there's Nazis like 1819 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:53.399 and they can just do that. I'm like, yeah, they 1820 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:55.039 do that all the time in comic book stuff. It's 1821 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:56.359 not a big deal. And she's like, yes, it is. 1822 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:59.399 She was like, it's interesting. Okay. 1823 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.760 I remember I had I had an ex girlfriend a 1824 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:05.520 long time ago, and her father took issue with the 1825 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.399 fact he didn't like like, you know, like Medal of 1826 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.079 Honor games and stuff like that, you know, like where 1827 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:15.399 you play PlayStation games where you relive historical events like 1828 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:18.680 the you know, storming Omaha Beach and stuff for entertainment. 1829 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.159 But then I was like, but you watch these movies 1830 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.760 all the time and for entertainment, and he was like, yeah, 1831 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:25.399 but that's different. But yeah, I can see his point 1832 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:25.640 of them. 1833 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:27.800 A little bit older, so you get more of this 1834 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.279 government interrogation stuff. 1835 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:30.960 I want to I just want to say the government 1836 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:34.279 interrogation stuff. I love a secret door and I like 1837 01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:37.680 the fact that lowest mental contraption under the under the 1838 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:40.239 desk to make good or escape, Like Test just has 1839 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.880 this kun It reminded me of Alkilmer's slide under the 1840 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:46.840 chair in in Batman Forever. Just this door to a slide, 1841 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.560 and I was like, wow, where does this go? Obviously 1842 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:50.520 goes into like some kind of you know, high tech 1843 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:52.960 base or something, and she just walks out of a 1844 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:55.880 car door. It's it's literally just brings of the office. 1845 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.239 I like that as well. It's a gag that they 1846 01:22:59.239 --> 01:22:59.880 didn't need to do. 1847 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.399 It was just yes, yeah, And I think it kind 1848 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.399 of plays in a like Test with this like Checkmate agent, 1849 01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:05.840 and she had all this stuff in her office, so 1850 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:08.359 it's not completely out of like out of context, like 1851 01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:10.239 it is completely out of over but knowing like she 1852 01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.560 had had some some superhero sheanigans there before you know. 1853 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:16.880 I saw the signal ready. 1854 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.960 You know so much of like why I'm interested in, 1855 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:23.520 like I do this ascreed on multimedia editing all this stuff. 1856 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:25.159 A lot of this comes from my favorite movies as 1857 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.880 a kid finding out, Hey, you know this movie you 1858 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.880 watch a thousand times. Actually it originally was made this way. 1859 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.279 I'm like, what, how is that even possible? You know, 1860 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.079 And because because of Batman Forever, that sequence was supposed 1861 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:37.640 to start the movie not happened in the middle of 1862 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:39.880 it and all that stuff. So anyway, released the Shoemaker 1863 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.119 cut is what I say. I would love to see it, So. 1864 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.000 Not to go too off topic controversially, as much as 1865 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.279 I want the Shoemaker still go back into the movie, 1866 01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.520 I think that that was the correct move starting the 1867 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:52.239 movie the way they did. 1868 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:52.920 I thought it was more. 1869 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.960 Really starting like in the heat of the action with 1870 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:55.359 two faces. 1871 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:58.159 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean it made it feel different 1872 01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.640 to the other two, and it just makes it more exciting. 1873 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.960 It just rattles along at the pace. There's a great 1874 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:07.439 the virtual work print fan edited Batman Forever, if if 1875 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:10.520 anyone is interested in the humor Shoemaker cut, I believe 1876 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:12.520 that is probably the closest to what the Schumaker cut 1877 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:14.640 will end up being if we ever see it. And 1878 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.079 I always find whenever I watched that the movie is 1879 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.079 kind of a bit plotting at the start because they 1880 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:23.840 rearrange it. But anyway, topic for another. 1881 01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.640 Part, it is just just for Terry though. Is it 1882 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:30.399 is it that he uses that escape, that that office, 1883 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:32.880 the turbo lift or whatever you want to call it, 1884 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:37.399 to go to the two face situation? Get ready for that? 1885 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:39.760 Yes. So the first scene in the movie is actually 1886 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.359 Bruce Wayne meeting Edward Nigma and he sees the signal 1887 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.039 and then he goes back into his office and then 1888 01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:44.720 we see him. 1889 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:50.039 Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to put the Red Book 1890 01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:53.479 stuff back in there. That would kind of flesh out one. 1891 01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:54.039 Absolutely. 1892 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:57.039 Yeah, always hold on to. 1893 01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:00.439 Batman forever need But you know what goes out to 1894 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.439 shoot here, She finds the secret exit in tests his 1895 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.720 office and runs into cac rant And you know that 1896 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:07.760 this is a as you guys said, it's a redeeming 1897 01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.399 moment for Grant because she could have she could have 1898 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:12.439 turned her in, right, because she is the kind of 1899 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.479 character with that as you said, Alan would have sold 1900 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:21.279 out and and Frank and Frank, Yeah, sold out and Frank. 1901 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:23.239 But you know she's not. She proves that she's not, 1902 01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:26.520 and that makes her, you know, some redeemable quality. She 1903 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:29.239 might be annoying, but that doesn't mean she's a bad person. 1904 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:31.039 So Lois gets out. 1905 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.439 We find out that the he's CCV, right, all right, 1906 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.760 he has access to like it's like big brother. He's 1907 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.399 access to CCV all over the city and all the hospitals, 1908 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:42.640 all the offices, Oliver's office, all that, all that stuff 1909 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:47.239 and keep being under constant surveillance for god knows how long. Yeah, 1910 01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:48.479 I thought that was I thought that was cool. I 1911 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:49.279 thought that was good. 1912 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.720 Yeah, which, which tracks is exactly what the government and 1913 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:57.239 government would do, right. I mean, the episode that introduced 1914 01:25:57.319 --> 01:25:59.960 Lady Wilson was called Patriot right, the Patriot Act, very 1915 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:02.640 small of this post nine to eleven America, y'all, let's 1916 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.720 not forget. So that's what really with here. Clark gets 1917 01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:08.600 tests and Hamilton out he sleeper speeds them out. They 1918 01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:11.119 get they get put the safety. Lois goes up to 1919 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:14.880 Oliver his office, uh, starts going through stuff in his office, 1920 01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:17.920 and then we have death stroke and like we've seen 1921 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.479 him on a screen and now he's in person, And 1922 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:22.960 I don't know, would we have liked it better if 1923 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:26.000 he was in a costume of some kind, maybe, but 1924 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:29.760 would then you could have had a stuntman, yeah, some 1925 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.399 things and not see this old man swinging around a katana. 1926 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:37.479 Let's yeah, though, considering it's an old man. They did 1927 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.600 a pretty good job with the fight scene, like, and 1928 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.840 there's probably a stone Man in there somewhere, but if 1929 01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:44.279 there is, they eyed him pretty well. Like I didn't. 1930 01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:46.800 I didn't think he looked too ridiculous running around with 1931 01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:47.199 the sword. 1932 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.439 He looked. I thought he looked good, like with with 1933 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:54.119 his intuction with Lois and then with the with Hawkman 1934 01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.560 as well. I thought it was he did a decent job. 1935 01:26:57.680 --> 01:26:59.359 I'm wondering how all that man actually was because we 1936 01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:01.000 keep calling him in the man. I'm afraid to look 1937 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:02.159 it up in case we find out like he was 1938 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:02.920 forty three at. 1939 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.560 The time, he was in his late fifties if not. 1940 01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:08.479 Sixty, Okay, okay. 1941 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:15.239 Confrontation with Lois here smacks her around, yeah, very physical, right, 1942 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.119 and then then he pulled a gun on those points 1943 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:20.079 in her head. Right, and then just when he's about 1944 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:22.439 to you know, kill her, a hawkman comes in and 1945 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:24.199 saves the day. And this is where this one I 1946 01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:25.920 was like, damn, Like they really kind of figured it out. 1947 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:29.920 Hawkman's wings and feathers, like you see the texture, Yeah, 1948 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.000 the whole wings that kind of go in and outer. 1949 01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.800 So did it did look a lot worse, did it? 1950 01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:39.000 Because when I watched it last night, I was like, 1951 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:40.600 this looks a hell of a lot better than I 1952 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:41.239 remember it. 1953 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:41.800 Looking I remember. 1954 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.880 So it was was it? Was it worse than previous 1955 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.520 episodes like the wings and the feathers and stuff or 1956 01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:48.439 am I? 1957 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.560 They were practical and upset Joseph, weren't they? 1958 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:52.880 Yeah? There was there were some shots where he was 1959 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:56.079 just kind of like hanging there. It didn't okay, yeah 1960 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.920 it looked weird, but here they were totally cgi nothing 1961 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.920 pretty s The the glass breaking was a little weak, 1962 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:05.359 I thought, c g I wise, but he himself was 1963 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:09.000 pretty solid. His wings contract, That's the thing, right, I 1964 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.399 think it's got in the comboos. His wings don't contract. 1965 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.000 They're just there, and like that's so much of the character, 1966 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.119 Like leave those on, Like that's when it goes away. 1967 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:21.119 You're just this guy with his breastplate and this giant 1968 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:22.840 bird head. And I think that's why the cow looks 1969 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:27.199 all off at that point so it can hide. Yeah, 1970 01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.319 it's hard to choreograph it some giant wings on your back. 1971 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:32.920 Can I ask you, Zach, because I genuinely have not 1972 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:34.640 seen black at him. Do they do that in Black 1973 01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:36.479 at him or does he just have the wa they. 1974 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:39.199 Do, they do the thing where they did, but well 1975 01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:42.079 the masks disappear. Now that's infuriating to me, Like the 1976 01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:44.840 whole I hate. It's like have a hood, you know 1977 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.520 that you put on take off, like it's something about 1978 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:49.479 you pushing a button and your mask goes away. Is 1979 01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:53.800 so lame and so now visually Black at him as 1980 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.720 the best hawk Man. But the problem is they don't. 1981 01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.520 They don't touch on anything like reincarnation or his history. 1982 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.720 He just and I like Aldri's hot. She's like he's 1983 01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.159 a great actor and and it looks great as Hawkman. 1984 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.479 But they like so much of that movie was so 1985 01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:10.520 surface level, like how do you have a movie with 1986 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.199 doctor Fate, Black Adam and Hawkman not talk about any 1987 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:15.840 like any relationship with them from thousands of years ago. 1988 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:19.079 It's such a missed opportunity. But yeah, but yeah, man 1989 01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:21.640 old Man Michael Hoagan pulls out this katana and him 1990 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:23.239 and the Hawkman are going at it with a mace 1991 01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:25.760 and small villa, which is nearly not big on the 1992 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.079 physical combat this is and we all jokes aside about 1993 01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.399 death stroke. It's not an unimpressive fight. 1994 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.119 That no, No, I thought it was pretty decent. I 1995 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:35.359 have to I have to say, I thought it was 1996 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:36.920 pretty decent. I thought it was going to be corny. 1997 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:38.600 I thought it was I thought it was pretty good. 1998 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.720 And like you they're when they're rolling the mace hits 1999 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:43.960 the ground as you know, the force impact of it, 2000 01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:46.880 and like you really feel like there's real stakes at 2001 01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:50.319 play here, that someone someone, someone's really going to get together. 2002 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.199 It's classic Smallville though, that like, on the one hand 2003 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.720 you have this like perfect comics accurate hawkman, and then 2004 01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:01.520 on the other hand, she just old man like when 2005 01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.960 it could have been if this had actually been death 2006 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.640 stroke in a death row costume, having this fight like 2007 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:08.319 it would have been epic. It would have been iconic. 2008 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.479 People would be talking about it for years. But because 2009 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:14.279 it's just this half measure, you're like, what are we doing? 2010 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.600 That's true, such a strange choice. 2011 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:19.319 Yeah, I mean there's no reason he couldn't. It was 2012 01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:23.319 just like put on pulled on the mask for the fight, 2013 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:28.159 even but he's in his dress uniform. You just fighting cockman, 2014 01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:30.399 you know, And I know, like the industrial look is 2015 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.840 in at these office buildings and stuff. But maybe Oliver Clean, 2016 01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:35.840 maybe if it didn't have these pipes on the side 2017 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:38.119 of your office. Maybe when we hit it with the sword, 2018 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:42.399 it wouldn't blow up and almost kill Lois. Now while 2019 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.119 this is going on, like so he deth Tro hits 2020 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.359 one of the sword, one of the pipes blows up 2021 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:49.279 like and we get steam everywhere. And then in this 2022 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.960 distraction is when Destro kills Hawkbat. He stabs in through 2023 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.199 the heart through the back. Now Hawkman had predicted his 2024 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.119 death was coming soon, and we saw him in shields. 2025 01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.439 I'm like, okay, it's fair, makes sense he would die. 2026 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:00.760 But he has one and there's one lad to rock act. 2027 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:04.880 His wings come back on. He uses them to shield 2028 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:08.279 himself and jump out from the fire that blows up. 2029 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:12.199 Lowis gets blown out the window because of this explosion 2030 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.760 that this chain reaction, this explosion, and then he jumps. 2031 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.560 It's a pretty fun visual, right, He jumps out of 2032 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:20.000 the window with his wings on fire, much like Icarus. 2033 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:21.399 His wings melted. 2034 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:24.720 Son I got the impression that he opened the wings 2035 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.199 solely to protect Lows from the blast and that she 2036 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:29.960 kind of went out as a result of the whatever 2037 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.079 you want to call it, the force or the blowback 2038 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:36.000 that he when when the explosion was coming. He puts 2039 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.399 the wings up to shield her because you see the 2040 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:41.319 fire kind of being deflected off her. And then she 2041 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:43.119 gets blown out the window. And then I was full 2042 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:43.720 sure you. 2043 01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.239 Know how hard you have to get blown out to 2044 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.119 shatter an office building window. She must have broken a 2045 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:52.880 bone or two just breaking that glass. Right, But it's 2046 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:54.840 a great vision because you see Lois falling down and 2047 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:56.960 we see him swooping in with his wings on fire, 2048 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:01.680 like that's as Clark was was going to catch her. Well, 2049 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.319 we are running like where's Clark right now? Because he's 2050 01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.319 because he asked where's Wallis? Right with the other the 2051 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:10.079 other two umbers right? Yeah, great visual, But then uh 2052 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.479 we cut to just death stroke walking around. I guess 2053 01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:15.119 he well, we see the explosion happened to him, and 2054 01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.119 like then I guess he just went downstairs. He's in 2055 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:22.279 like the loading dock of Luther Corp. Or whatever. Him 2056 01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:24.239 and Clark have a confrontation here and we see his 2057 01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.880 his dress uniform was a little battle damage. You know, Clarks, 2058 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:29.760 I hear the explosion. You heard it, Okay, Well you 2059 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:31.159 didn't do anything about it, but that's. 2060 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:33.840 He was definitely not dressed as. 2061 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.520 The why the hell is he not wearing Is it 2062 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.800 because they're underground? I mean, why is that? Why is 2063 01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.479 that their excuse for not him not wearing the costume? Well, 2064 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:45.720 this is there's a lot of lines that people quote 2065 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:48.760 in small But that are like infamous lines, and this 2066 01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:50.399 is one of the most infamous lines in the show. 2067 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:53.319 So Clark's like, I thought you were dead more or less, 2068 01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:57.479 and here's what death stroke says. Let's just say the 2069 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.000 Reaper can swing his sick let me, but I'm beyond 2070 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:00.920 death stroke. 2071 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:03.680 Now, Oh my goodness, gracious. 2072 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.479 Someone wrote that as a line of dialogue. 2073 01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:08.279 Now it is. 2074 01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:13.279 It is definitely not worse than I'm you only a 2075 01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.600 little bit more bizarre. 2076 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.720 That is the other line I was thinking of Robins, 2077 01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:18.359 I said, there was a lot of lines like that. 2078 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:21.600 Oh my goodness, that. 2079 01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:26.680 In this line of defense. If you were just a 2080 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.560 fan of Smallville and not Superman comics or DC comics 2081 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:31.439 or anything like that, and you heard him say that, 2082 01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:34.920 you wouldn't think wait what, You would just think, oh, 2083 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.880 that's just the dialogue. That's fine. You know, where's the 2084 01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.720 only a little bit more bizarre line? It just doesn't 2085 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:43.920 make any sense. Yeah, So it's like, no one would 2086 01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:46.880 ever say that, whereas someone like this, you know, swing 2087 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:49.319 a sigle, but I'm beyond death stroke. Now you probably 2088 01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:50.920 wouldn't really think about it if you weren't a comic 2089 01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.560 book plan. So in that respect, I think it's better, 2090 01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.000 but it is still ridiculous that he said. 2091 01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.640 That, and that's why he's called death drogs. But Clark 2092 01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:02.359 trews the reason with him. He's like, we're supposed to 2093 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:05.479 protect people, know you can you can't love people. He's like, no, 2094 01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:07.880 you don't believe that. I know you had a family before. 2095 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.520 And that kind of shows like the darkness is influence 2096 01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:13.800 and I was like what is I was like, what 2097 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.359 is Clark going to do here? I'm like, what's gonna happen? 2098 01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:18.560 We just saw him kill Hawkman and like he's obviously 2099 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:21.079 possessed by the darkness, and and then of course he 2100 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:24.000 mentions Operation Icarus again and you know you would fall 2101 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.800 because of your faith in humanity and faith your own invincibilium. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, 2102 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:31.119 that tracks right? Does this actually see a man with 2103 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:33.239 burning wings? So they do? They do tie it to 2104 01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:38.640 the individual right from the sky. So Clark he just 2105 01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:42.640 puts his little Phantom Zone Crystal on him and just 2106 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:45.640 he raproizes him away, and we have not seen this 2107 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:49.560 or seen him do this in seasons, so this is 2108 01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:50.960 such an out of nowhere. 2109 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:54.479 So that was that was gonna be my question. Has 2110 01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:57.800 this featured anywhere previously? Because I couldn't remember this little 2111 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.760 esque crystal. Well assume he's sending him to the phantom zone. 2112 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:06.119 That yes, yes, as we find out and way later 2113 01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:08.239 this season when when Oliver and Clark get trapped in 2114 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:09.800 the Phantom Zone, he talks to Zod there and so 2115 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:11.439 I was like, what are you sending your your own 2116 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:13.680 criminals so your father will be disgusted, which is actually 2117 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:15.119 a good argument from Zod. 2118 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:16.399 Actually yeah, so. 2119 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.680 Okay, you mentioned the bizarre lion right in that episode 2120 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:25.079 the season six finale phantom Clark uses really is crystal 2121 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:27.479 and whatever not, but he takes it to He's been 2122 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.119 using it on phantoms throughout the season. If they are 2123 01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:32.399 phantoms that have possessed physical people, it will take that 2124 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:35.279 phantom out and put them in the phantom zone. He 2125 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:39.079 tries to use that crystal on Batista, and Batista's like, hey, 2126 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:42.760 nice shy, but I'm not a phantom. So it doesn't work. Okay, okay, 2127 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.880 we've established it doesn't work on physical people. Then that 2128 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:50.279 the phantom who becomes Bizarro, shatters that crystal and it's 2129 01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:52.760 and it's gone forever, and we've never talked about it since. 2130 01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:55.119 Now John Jones, the Martial Men owner, has his own 2131 01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:59.239 Phantom Zone crystal. But the whole point of the Legion 2132 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:01.640 episode is the Persuader comes back in time and tries 2133 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:03.840 to go Clark with his big axe. He destroys that crystal. 2134 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:07.039 There are no more crystals, there's no more Phantom Zone projectors, 2135 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:10.199 there's nothing. I remember watching this episode live, like, what 2136 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.560 the hell happened? I didn't understand. Like I've watched every 2137 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.239 episode of this show, and I don't know what you 2138 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:17.319 just showed me show. And so somewhere along the line, 2139 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:20.399 either they forgot or didn't care. I'm like, ah, we'll 2140 01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:22.279 do this, and like that was their solution for him 2141 01:36:22.279 --> 01:36:25.119 to just judge jury and executioner send this guy off 2142 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:27.680 to you know, Purgatory Land was like, I don't know, man, 2143 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:29.439 So I'm glad Zod calls him out of it later. 2144 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.399 Honestly, if if if Anthony Desiato is listening, this is 2145 01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:36.359 the Smallville equivalent of Superman flying the criminals off to 2146 01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:40.079 that cabin opened the costume. 2147 01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:45.800 Yes Yes, shout out to another exciting episode and the 2148 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.359 eventually Supermann our friend Anthony Deciata's podcast whenevery way, when 2149 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:50.680 anybody finds out Clark's secret, the running gag he has 2150 01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:52.159 on that podcast, He's going to take him off to 2151 01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:57.119 this cabin on the top of him. But now Clark's 2152 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.359 is going to send people off to the Phantom Zone 2153 01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:02.880 because actual to complete my mission and Clarks will consider 2154 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:07.079 it finished, and he just zaps him off with this Crystal. 2155 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:10.439 I assume this isn't the end of death stroke mechanics. 2156 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.600 As I presume, what do you think, Alan, do you think? 2157 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:14.119 Do you think he comes back out? 2158 01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:16.520 I would assume that he does come back. 2159 01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:20.600 You would, wouldn't you know? He doesn't. Wow, there's a 2160 01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:23.000 new member. That's why he's so frustratcause there's a news 2161 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.960 report that he shows back up. Because that's how Zod 2162 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:27.720 gets Clark back in the Phantom Zone. He gets his 2163 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:29.520 attention by sending these people back out. 2164 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:32.159 Because I was gonna ask that that episode where they 2165 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:34.199 go into the Phantom Zone and they need Zod and 2166 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:37.239 he's now like the combined ZOD of season five and 2167 01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:39.880 season nine. Yeah, does that happen after this or is that. 2168 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:41.279 Before that's after this? 2169 01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:43.920 That's okay, but they don't meet they don't meet that 2170 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:44.920 stroke in the final of that. 2171 01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:47.760 No, because that they see that like a news alert 2172 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:52.439 that he's reappeared. Okay, SOD sent him back out to get. 2173 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:55.319 We never physically see Michael Hogan again in the show. 2174 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:58.319 That's why this is ridiculous. Like if he had evolved 2175 01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:00.319 into more of the death stroke, maybe I'd be like, oh, 2176 01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:02.439 and next time you see him, he's in another level 2177 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:06.199 and he has his costume. No, this is it ridiculous. 2178 01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:07.680 That's insane, ridiculous. 2179 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:09.760 I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that. I thought 2180 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:11.000 he was I literally thought he'd be back in like 2181 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:11.520 the next. 2182 01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:14.840 Episode, well like in the Phantom Zone, or he. 2183 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:18.319 Had something I assumed, you know, Dark Slight didn't release 2184 01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:19.039 him or something. 2185 01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:21.079 I'm all for a Phantom Zone projector like, you know, 2186 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:22.920 I think him sending Dooms out of the Phantom Zone 2187 01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:24.840 was a great idea. But you know, when he was 2188 01:38:24.840 --> 01:38:26.560 going to do that at the Fortress, because all his 2189 01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:29.319 other crystals had been destroyed, right, but no, he couldn't 2190 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:29.880 do it anyway. 2191 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:31.640 That's nuts. 2192 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.159 Season ten has really great conduity in some areas and 2193 01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:36.279 then awful continuity in other areas. And this is one 2194 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:40.600 but Clark he's renied with Lois and and Carter because 2195 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:43.800 Destro told him that they were dead, right, But you know, 2196 01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.279 Hawkman opens his wings and Lois is there and so 2197 01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:47.239 they embrace. 2198 01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:49.319 I like that. I like that that he was protecting 2199 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:51.439 her in his wings on the ground. I really I 2200 01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:54.399 really like that. Yeah, never sawid very heroic, very heroic. 2201 01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:57.000 Michael Shanks was great as his character, and he'd this 2202 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.680 isn't one it done like he this is his like 2203 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:01.239 fourth episode if he count him on the screen, right, 2204 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:03.680 because he had some whyes in Salvation. So he is 2205 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:06.720 a a significant guest character in the last air of 2206 01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:08.600 the show, and you know, it's a good moment. He's like, 2207 01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:10.960 I'm a pro dyeing, remember, Like that's that's cute. Of 2208 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:12.800 course you would say something like that as he was dying, 2209 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.760 but you feel his loss because he was this veteran 2210 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.520 hero that they all looked up to. And now I really. 2211 01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:21.039 Like he says to him in his dying moments, He's like, 2212 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:22.840 there has to be a balanced clerk. We can't do 2213 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:24.880 what we do with an engines in our hearts. I 2214 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:27.479 thought that was really really nice, and it's it's a 2215 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:31.439 thing that I hold true in all Superman stories, is 2216 01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:33.600 that he actually should end up Willows. That shouldn't be 2217 01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:36.159 the thing like Superman two where he has to like 2218 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:37.720 his own. 2219 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:42.319 Of celibacy, you know, that kind of thing, and that's 2220 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:45.920 why he marries a lot and Superman three guys, right, Yeah. 2221 01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:49.359 I particularly like when when Clark looks at Lewis and 2222 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:52.239 and Hoffman kind of sees the love that they have 2223 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:54.640 is confirmed and he says that he knows he made 2224 01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:56.640 the right decision. I really enjoyed that to it. Thought 2225 01:39:56.640 --> 01:39:58.479 that was a nice touch, and. 2226 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.319 It has even more weight because him and we had 2227 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:02.439 a whole episode together, like Shield, the second episode of 2228 01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:04.800 the season. Like, so that's not just oh yeah, that's 2229 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:07.359 Clark's beance your girlfriend over there, Like, no, he he 2230 01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:09.640 knows her and they had a they've had a heart 2231 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:11.520 to heart, so like he has insight into both of them. 2232 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:13.520 So that kind of means a lot, and you know, 2233 01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:16.239 he has some party parts, some final wisdom to Clark 2234 01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:19.800 here as he passes away, and it's solid stuff. I 2235 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:22.439 was gonna miss Hawkman. I'm not gonna miss Dethrop, but 2236 01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:26.319 I'm gonna miss awk Man. He's like, I'm sorry, I won't 2237 01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:28.079 be there to help you fight the darkness. And I'm like, oh, man, 2238 01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:30.479 so he's gonna I don't know how the cycle works, 2239 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.760 but he's gonna be somebody's baby, I guess soon. And 2240 01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:36.560 we start the cycle again. Uh and yeah, so this 2241 01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:39.840 is you guys aren't really that familiar with the Arrovers, 2242 01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:41.760 but you know they had Hawkman over there. 2243 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:44.279 Oh no, legends, Yeah I remember that. 2244 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:48.119 Yeah, this this Hawkman's better, right all right? 2245 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:48.680 Yeah? 2246 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:49.760 Yeah, no, yeah he is. 2247 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:50.000 Yeah. 2248 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:52.119 Michael Shank, Michael Shanks kicks as in this. 2249 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:55.000 And a nice final shot off we see Clark and 2250 01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:56.760 Lewis and Carter all in the background, him kind of 2251 01:40:57.479 --> 01:40:59.119 pan down with a camera and we see, you know, 2252 01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:01.479 Hawkman's helmet in the foreground and we comeing too focus 2253 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.079 on them, like, okay, that's like it's like the comic 2254 01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:04.319 book cover, like a death of a Hero. 2255 01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:08.119 I think it literally looks like the Identity Crisis. Do 2256 01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:09.840 you remember that there's a panel in that that it 2257 01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:11.720 looks like they actually took it from that. 2258 01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:12.199 I think. 2259 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:16.319 I just really like how heroes always kind of die 2260 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:19.600 on c really conveniently, like you know, you say, you 2261 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:22.119 say the really heroic thing, and then you just drift 2262 01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:23.720 off where I always imagine what would be like if 2263 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:25.319 it took another twenty four minutes. 2264 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:28.920 That's that's all I got. I got nothing else for you, Clark. 2265 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:35.560 It as beautiful as that. That shot is of the 2266 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.520 Hawkman cow there I found there their shot of I 2267 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:43.920 guess Africa amusing where it's like these camels, like okay, 2268 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.840 sure that looked like animation to me, like like I 2269 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:49.399 don't I don't even know if it was like a 2270 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:52.920 real shot of something. But uh, they're often some temple 2271 01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:55.680 somewhere in Egypt, and they're going to where Shira is, 2272 01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:59.479 presumably because they put his body next to hers. Now, 2273 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:02.239 this is this is an interesting scene here because we 2274 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:05.720 see the we quote unquote see the entire Justice League. 2275 01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:10.439 All right, Lois is there, Black Canary, Stargirl, Green Arrow, Clark, 2276 01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:12.840 and then back there in the very back we don't 2277 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:16.600 see him. Let we see Impulse in Martian Manhunter. Oh cool, 2278 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:20.399 they're clearly standing. It's like, well it's easy for Impulse 2279 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:21.840 because he's got the hood on so he don't see 2280 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.279 his face. But you know the guy, the guy who's 2281 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:26.079 standing in for Martian man Hunter, he's like just has 2282 01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:27.760 his head like down so he can't really tell it's 2283 01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:29.279 not Phil Morris. 2284 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:32.800 I had to laugh. This is the second Superman TV 2285 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.439 Show podcast left on this week. I was recorded with 2286 01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:37.560 Anthony earlier on this week, and that episode was Star 2287 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:40.239 of Faith where they also go to stock footage of 2288 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:43.680 camels in Egypt and Georgia Leaves picks up the pyramid, 2289 01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:48.399 and I was like, oh, what's the likelihood in both 2290 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:51.000 episodes seventy six years Apartment. 2291 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:53.680 Goes to locations, goes to the location, but it's not 2292 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:55.439 just then. So the in the white shot, you see 2293 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:57.960 Impulse and you see Martian Mander. But then they have 2294 01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:00.239 an overhead shot and you see all come in. He's 2295 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.359 got his hood up. You see Cyborg. You don't really 2296 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:04.439 see you kind of see his shoulder, sees a ton 2297 01:43:04.439 --> 01:43:06.680 of back there, we see something. So these are all 2298 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:09.840 stand ins, right, But I appreciate the fact, like, hey, 2299 01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:13.720 just league members died, everybody needs to be here. They 2300 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:17.079 call everybody up, and I appreciate the fact they all 2301 01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:20.359 showed up, and uh, that's plays the factor into the 2302 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.800 next episode because they've taken out the entire Justice League. 2303 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:25.039 So this is part of the part of the plane here, right. 2304 01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:27.279 So oh, by the way, Clark's wearing his monogram jacket 2305 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:29.279 plus one. It's not zipped up, by the way, because 2306 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:30.239 why would you zip it up. 2307 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:35.199 And he's not wearing a blue shirt he's wearing, right, 2308 01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:35.720 Is it is? 2309 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:36.600 It is? 2310 01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:38.479 It is blue. It's like a baby blue. 2311 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:42.039 Yeah, but it is not. Maybe it's the lighting there 2312 01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:44.840 in this place, but it doesn't look like great vibrant. 2313 01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:47.840 It looks great. No one's ever gonna see it. 2314 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:51.399 I thought, you look, I really thought he he just 2315 01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:54.199 looked like Superman. You know, sounds costume obviously, but he 2316 01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:55.640 just looked like Superman off the page. I thought he 2317 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:56.520 really looked great. 2318 01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:00.479 Well, they started to like dabble with the island his 2319 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:03.000 hair as well when he's in when he's in the 2320 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:05.880 Blorder costume. So that helps with the supermanler too. And 2321 01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.159 you know that that Shira helmet and her weapon used 2322 01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:10.720 to be in that museum. But I guess the museum 2323 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.239 closed after Absolute Justice, I don't know, or maybe after 2324 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.760 Carter Hall die. They said they're taking all your stuff. 2325 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:20.800 But where We're in Egypt and they spent a lot 2326 01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:22.439 of time in Africa, and he's in a small boy 2327 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:25.079 between you know, the woas is there, the isis is 2328 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:27.880 from there, and you know here we are at Hawkman's funeral, 2329 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:29.600 but we don't. 2330 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:37.800 I I dunked on the soundtrack earlier on I said 2331 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:39.560 the music was crap. I thought the music for the 2332 01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:42.520 funeral scene was okay. It was pretty good. It sounds 2333 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:44.520 like kind of a soft rock song or something the 2334 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:46.199 generic stuff like. But I just thought I thought it 2335 01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:46.600 was all right. 2336 01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:48.640 City Lights by Paulton Edge. 2337 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:52.640 Up Ah, that means that means nothing to me. 2338 01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:54.720 It never made it on one of my small bl 2339 01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:56.479 mix CDs, but that was fair enough. 2340 01:44:56.800 --> 01:44:59.159 He says, nothing says pyramids like city Lights. 2341 01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:04.239 But it's you know, it's a somber moment right with 2342 01:45:04.359 --> 01:45:07.199 black Harry and Stargirler come from each other, and then 2343 01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:09.199 you know, what, what's that? What's what's We're in Egypt, 2344 01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:11.159 there's a pyramid coming out. Is this part of the 2345 01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:13.039 is this part of the funeral procession? That's part of 2346 01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:16.760 the No, it's not. It's some device put there by 2347 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.359 the government, I guess, to wipe out all the superheroes. 2348 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:21.520 So it comes up and it goes off, and then 2349 01:45:22.039 --> 01:45:24.000 big flash of light and then we see all the 2350 01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:27.079 Justice League just laying on the ground, and that is 2351 01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:29.399 your mid season finale. 2352 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:30.920 Nuts. 2353 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:36.800 Yeah, I mean, what a cliffhanger, y'all. I hope they're okay. 2354 01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:38.319 I don't know, like this didn't really do it much 2355 01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.439 for me. I'm just gonna say, for a cliff. 2356 01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:43.600 How long on average would you have to wait? I 2357 01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:45.359 just can't remember how long would you have to wait? 2358 01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.800 About six weeks or so. Usually came back, you know, 2359 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.800 into January, beginning February something like that. 2360 01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:56.920 I always have a problem in these scenes where it's 2361 01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.359 like the entire Justice Let you get knocked out, and 2362 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:01.640 it happens a lot on the cartoon where they'll all 2363 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:03.760 get knocked out by like electricity or something like that, 2364 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:06.600 including Superman, and I meanwhile, you just have a human 2365 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:09.920 character there, like Lois or Batman, and she is also 2366 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:12.359 knocked out, and you're like, if that thing was strong 2367 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:18.039 enough to knock out Superman, do you. 2368 01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:20.560 Think they should have ended this? Do you think it's 2369 01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:22.600 a strong enough cliff hanger? I was wondering after I 2370 01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:25.079 watched it. Should they have ended this maybe with Lowe's 2371 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:26.439 going out the window or no. 2372 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:31.760 Generic as an episode, that's fine, right. My problem is, 2373 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:33.680 like Luthor the previous episode, like it ends with with 2374 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:36.600 the only fourth wall break in the history of Smallville 2375 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:39.399 and arguably the greatest fourth wall break of all time. 2376 01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:41.800 It's it's Earth two line of Luther has And you 2377 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:45.439 know I talked about last week time, Right, that's a 2378 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:48.560 strong statement. I stand by that statement. 2379 01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:52.960 Oh wow, because that's John Glover saying I want to 2380 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.399 see how it all turns out that one, Yes, because 2381 01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:56.680 all time. 2382 01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:58.720 He's talking to you, the viewer, because you've been watching 2383 01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:00.479 small ovivirgineers. Don't you want to see how it all 2384 01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:02.880 turns out? And he opens his umbrella and he goes 2385 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:06.039 through the crowd. Oh my god, Lionel's back shows in 2386 01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:07.880 what's called mag I do want to see how it 2387 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:10.279 all turns out. I'm fired up bringing on small to this. 2388 01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:14.920 I'm like, what what just happened? Like I just and 2389 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:17.720 then part of it might be I know that Collateral. 2390 01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:19.520 The next episode is the one they're like in the 2391 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:27.039 Matrix and it's like not good at all. That's where 2392 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:28.920 I I'm like, maybe I'm holding that against the end 2393 01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:31.279 of this episode. I don't know, but look, it's fun 2394 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:33.640 to see the Justice League together, right, Obviously you have 2395 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.720 a funeral for a hero, right, that's that's monumental for 2396 01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:39.199 these guys. But then to end on that kind of 2397 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:42.560 awkward note of they're all passed out, like how do 2398 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:44.159 they know where they're like, I guess because they were 2399 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:46.880 monitoring everybody, like they know where Carter Hall's secret tomb 2400 01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:49.359 is and they have this thing in the ground planning 2401 01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:50.720 they're waiting to come out. I'm like, what are you. 2402 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:52.239 I don't know, y'all. 2403 01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:53.479 I didn't know that. 2404 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.800 Yeah, No, I didn't love it. That's what I was 2405 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.319 trying to I was trying to think to myself afterwards, 2406 01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:00.840 is there is there a better cliffhanger with what was 2407 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:02.439 in the episode that they could have kind of left 2408 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.159 it on? But maybe not? 2409 01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:06.880 No, No, See, Smallville didn't do cliff fingers like that. 2410 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:09.760 Alan Like it's unless like every now and then probably 2411 01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:11.720 maybe like a third of the season finales were like 2412 01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:14.079 a pick it up with the next shot, you know, 2413 01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:17.760 but episode episode they always had like their their you 2414 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.760 know epilogue like you know a kind of stuff, And 2415 01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:23.199 it was never like a do we continue unless it 2416 01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:25.520 was a premiere of finale, sometimes a two parter so. 2417 01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:32.479 O Slave Were You Married? 2418 01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:34.119 A Small Villa? 2419 01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:36.840 All new episode this Friday at eighty seventh Central. 2420 01:48:45.640 --> 01:49:03.199 Up a very Street Echanti, They said. 2421 01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:12.199 He wanted, so what are you mad? Super mad yet? 2422 01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:13.840 Oh? 2423 01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:21.600 And what if my soulmate comes along and I'm too 2424 01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:22.239 blind to see it? 2425 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:25.000 Just follow your heart and you'll always do the right thing. 2426 01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:29.039 I'm mad. 2427 01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:33.279 Past, My world needs your clack. 2428 01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:36.119 What about what we need? Man need. 2429 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:38.880 Sad jeans? 2430 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:45.039 This we said, who are you? Lois lost? 2431 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:52.319 My three past? 2432 01:49:55.279 --> 01:50:02.199 It's just s You're more than just a hero. 2433 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:15.640 You're a superhero. 2434 01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:23.479 Give me a nerd with glasses any day of the week. 2435 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:36.119 Wome Something dark is coming. 2436 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:39.960 You're gonna be tested like you have never been tested before. Street, 2437 01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:46.760 I know my destiny. 2438 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:50.720 Small Fille season from here next Friday at eight seventh Central, 2439 01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:54.560 New one, Blu Ray and DVD. 2440 01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:57.000 This is where it's all been leading. 2441 01:50:57.119 --> 01:50:57.960 You have become. 2442 01:50:58.199 --> 01:50:59.920 That's great to say it. 2443 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:02.920 More than two hours of special features the final season 2444 01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:05.479 of Small on Blue Ray and DVD November twenty nine, 2445 01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:08.239 and on the Complete series collection on DVD. 2446 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:13.800 Icorous got an eight point seven out of ten on IMDb, 2447 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.119 and Douglas Trumble from the Superman homepage g at a 2448 01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:19.199 four out of five. 2449 01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:23.319 So ty on. 2450 01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:26.119 The letter grade scale, y'all, Alan, let's start with you. 2451 01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:29.239 What would you give vigorous. 2452 01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:34.359 On the letter grade scale? So I would probably give 2453 01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:39.640 it a B minus. I thought, look, overall, if you're 2454 01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.720 if you're revisiting this, it is kind of a filler exposition, 2455 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.039 kind of an episode, you know, mid season, not a 2456 01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:50.640 hell of that happens throughout. But when I sat down 2457 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:54.199 and watched it last night, I enjoyed it. It flew by. 2458 01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.760 I enjoyed the characterizations. I enjoyed the story of it. 2459 01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:01.880 I enjoyed the proposal and all that stuff to it. Yeah. 2460 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:05.479 I had issues with death stroke and stuff like everybody else, 2461 01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:07.279 and some of the writing and some of the decisions 2462 01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:10.520 that they made, But overall, I wasn't bored. I wasn't 2463 01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:12.439 looking at my watch watching it. I knew what it 2464 01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:14.079 was when I was going into it. I had a 2465 01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:16.359 vague memory of it, but I thought they did it 2466 01:52:16.359 --> 01:52:19.399 pretty well. And I liked the death of Walkman. I 2467 01:52:19.399 --> 01:52:21.239 thought that was covered really well, and the way he 2468 01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:24.359 went out on an I note. I enjoyed that. So yeah, 2469 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.560 to be honest, I can't find much fault with it 2470 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:30.079 over sentimentality at the start, with the proposal and stuff 2471 01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:31.800 like that, and like I said, some weird choices here 2472 01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:34.800 and there, but overall I thought it was pretty solid. 2473 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:41.720 Be minus, I would agree with all of that. To 2474 01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:45.760 be honest, I'm also being minus. I think it pushed 2475 01:52:46.279 --> 01:52:49.760 the plot of the season along nicely enough, and there 2476 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:52.600 was a lot of kind of clunkiness in some of 2477 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:54.960 some of the logistics of the riding and stuff like that, 2478 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.000 but it didn't bother me too much. It was only 2479 01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:59.000 really watching it the second time when I was kind 2480 01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:00.000 of going back and think of it. 2481 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:01.479 Certain stuff but still. 2482 01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:05.159 Really stuck out, like it is not a remarkable episode, 2483 01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:08.199 but I think just the inclusion of Hawkman doing as 2484 01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:11.159 much Hawkman stuff as he does, as impressively as they 2485 01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:16.119 do it, and then the proposal happening, and you know, 2486 01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:18.479 as we said, like seeing all the Justice League together, 2487 01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:20.520 even though not all of them play a role in 2488 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:24.239 the episode, just stuff like that they committed to the assignment. 2489 01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:27.159 And I don't really care for this storyline at all. 2490 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:34.159 But I think that this is a pretty harmless, decent episode. Yeah, 2491 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:36.840 for all the flaws we've discussed, I would give it 2492 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:37.239 a be mine. 2493 01:53:38.239 --> 01:53:40.840 You know, I was gonna give it a B minus, 2494 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:42.880 but since both of y'all did, I'm gonna go with 2495 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:47.279 C plus now, just to give us some variety. Just 2496 01:53:47.319 --> 01:53:50.039 being so steeped in the season as I am, I'm like, eh, 2497 01:53:50.359 --> 01:53:53.680 you know, so, I'm very happy that you guys liked 2498 01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:56.159 it as much as you did, and I don't dislike it. 2499 01:53:56.239 --> 01:54:00.439 You know, C plus is above average, But the proposal 2500 01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:04.319 stuff was great. Death stroke is as bad and not 2501 01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:09.880 as bad as I remember. At the same time, the 2502 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:12.279 doucex Machina really of the oh I'll just said to 2503 01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:13.800 the phantoms, I'm like, well, do why haven't you been 2504 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:18.000 doing that all the time? You shouldn't be. But the 2505 01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:20.159 fact that you did at all, I'm like, well, what's 2506 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:20.640 that about? 2507 01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:20.840 Right? 2508 01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:24.039 Hawkman? I I did. I did enjoy all Hawkman's things. 2509 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:27.239 He was one of the stronger guest heroes on smavel. 2510 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:29.239 I think, you know, when people think about I think 2511 01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:31.319 everybody's I don't know, you have a strong I don't 2512 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:32.680 know if you guys have strong opinions about this. But 2513 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:34.600 when people think about, oh, who's the best, like guest 2514 01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:37.319 hero in Smallville, Green Arrows not on the table because 2515 01:54:37.319 --> 01:54:39.159 he became a main cast member. But I think everybody 2516 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:42.159 says the flash they were impulse. I think that's everybody's 2517 01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:45.119 inclination because of that. That first episode was so strong. 2518 01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:51.239 I mean, he probably be my be my favorite. But Hawkman, 2519 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:53.840 he don't. Don't don't lose out a Hawkman because he 2520 01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:55.520 was a great He was a great presence on the show. 2521 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:58.279 That's the great thing about Smallville and one of the 2522 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:00.279 many great things on smaball brought a lot of it tension, 2523 01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.039 Like these characters seeing them for the first time in 2524 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:04.520 live action are basically for the first time live characters 2525 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.560 live action for most of them, characters like Cyborg and 2526 01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:09.479 you know, it was a Tanna and all the all 2527 01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:11.960 the the stand ins who were here at the funeral, 2528 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.399 all those characters too, you know, and and the the 2529 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.119 dude bro Ackaman. That's Smallville presented is lives on to 2530 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:20.960 this day, for better or for worse, right, But you 2531 01:55:21.039 --> 01:55:23.079 know all that to say, there was hey, there was 2532 01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:25.800 action in here. There was stuff going on. Uh, there 2533 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.760 was an impressive amount of supporting cast members that returned. 2534 01:55:29.239 --> 01:55:32.880 And I'm gonna give it a C plus, So be 2535 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:35.840 minus for you guys, C plus for me. Let's go 2536 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:38.800 to the tally board short telliboard. You only had a 2537 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:41.479 couple of talies head and episode title set an episode 2538 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:44.199 because they had Operation Icarus. They talk about it later 2539 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.439 to see a man fall from the sky with wings. Yeah, yeah, 2540 01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:52.319 that brings us to eighty eight so far. And then uh, 2541 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:55.800 the monogram jacket, as I already talked about off the 2542 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:58.760 top plus one, that brings us to five so far. 2543 01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:02.840 Five in eleven episodes. I gave myself the over under 2544 01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:06.039 was ten when the season started. I'm sticking with the under. 2545 01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:09.600 We'll see because I know for a fact he doesn't 2546 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:10.680 wear it in the series finale. 2547 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:14.840 So do you think it was a case that he 2548 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:16.279 didn't want to wear or do you think it was 2549 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:18.520 a case that they tried to hold back on a 2550 01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:21.920 little bit so that they wouldn't there'd be more of 2551 01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:26.920 a maybe a chasm between this and the Superman suits 2552 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:27.439 and the finale. 2553 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:30.840 I just think they weren't really sure how to use it. 2554 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.840 I mean, he should have been wearing it in this episode, 2555 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:34.640 like when in that scene where he confronts Slate at 2556 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:36.920 the end, he's just wearing streat clothes, like what are 2557 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:40.720 you doing? But he can go wear for this funeral though, 2558 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.079 So I don't know. It's it's it's I'm fascinated's one 2559 01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:46.239 of it's I'm fascinated by it. And that's why I 2560 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:47.920 made it a tally board. And we're gonna continue to 2561 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:50.079 hear me ransom for the rest of the rest of 2562 01:56:50.119 --> 01:56:53.840 the podcast. So Bechdel Test pass because of the government 2563 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:57.279 agent talking to everybody, like I mean, yes, they talk 2564 01:56:57.319 --> 01:57:00.359 about like superhero stuff, but like talking to tests, you know. 2565 01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:03.000 I think in the spirit of the Bechdel Test, it 2566 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:05.680 passes because we have this hardcore government agent. We also 2567 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:10.199 have Lois and Kat talk. So I think the combination 2568 01:57:10.239 --> 01:57:11.279 of all those I think we passed. 2569 01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:12.720 Yeah, I think so. 2570 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:16.800 So in some redemption for Cat Grant maybe, I don't know. 2571 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:20.199 I'll keep that in mind next time I see her. 2572 01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:22.560 I think she I think she only has one more episode. 2573 01:57:22.560 --> 01:57:25.039 I think it's Booster, the Booster Gold episode. 2574 01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:28.760 So the little Booster Gold episode. 2575 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.960 Yeah, I better like her in that one because I'm 2576 01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:33.600 pretty sure I've been talking to Jef Johns about that 2577 01:57:33.640 --> 01:57:35.319 on the podcast, it was like, who wrote this character? 2578 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:36.000 This is awful. 2579 01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:41.000 Booster Gold episode always reminds me of Chris Simms reviewing 2580 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:44.720 the finale when Olie looks up and see Superman fly 2581 01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:47.640 by and he's like, come on, Clark, and Chris Sims 2582 01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:50.000 was like, why did he know that was Clark? Why 2583 01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:53.560 didn't he assume that was Booster Gold because he's the 2584 01:57:53.640 --> 01:57:55.920 only flying hero in this universe at that point. 2585 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:59.680 Yeah, because he doesn't know Clark can fly. Yeah, exactly, 2586 01:58:01.039 --> 01:58:04.039 Well that's gonna do it for this episode. But guys, 2587 01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:07.560 a lot of fun talking episodes. Fut so great to 2588 01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:09.800 have you both on here at the same time. If 2589 01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:13.039 people want to find you out there and whatever order 2590 01:58:13.119 --> 01:58:15.199 you guys want to promote yourselves, take it away. 2591 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:19.479 We are All Star super Fan Podcast. We're on all 2592 01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:22.920 the socials, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Twitter is Allstar super 2593 01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:25.720 Pod on Facebook and Instagram are All Star super Fan 2594 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:28.760 And yeah, we have a bunch of episodes. You have 2595 01:58:28.840 --> 01:58:32.000 appeared on quite a number of them and some really 2596 01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:35.760 really cool kind of compires and episodes where we look 2597 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:41.119 at different Superman episodes and across across the eighty five year. 2598 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:42.720 Multimedia legacy of the Man of Steel. 2599 01:58:42.760 --> 01:58:44.760 We talk about all sorts of fun stuff, and we've 2600 01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:48.319 also done some ridiculed interviews with actors and writers and 2601 01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:50.399 creators from Superman related things. 2602 01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:53.159 Awesome what he said. 2603 01:58:57.359 --> 01:58:59.039 It's been great, Zich, thanks so much for having us on. 2604 01:58:59.159 --> 01:59:01.560 Really really thirtally enjoyed it. And I have to say, 2605 01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:04.439 like I said, watching the Bench episode a few months ago, 2606 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:07.640 for what was being my appearents of that episode, and 2607 01:59:07.720 --> 01:59:11.399 then watching this again, really enjoyed getting back to the 2608 01:59:11.439 --> 01:59:13.760 show and getting back into it. You know, it's always 2609 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:15.680 and I think it's just before in the back of 2610 01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.039 my mind. I always it's always kind of a little 2611 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:20.840 bit tarnished by how long it went on and what 2612 01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:24.359 I thought was a dropping quality really over kind of 2613 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:27.600 those mid seasons. And then obviously the finale really just 2614 01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:29.279 pissed me off, like I did so many other people. 2615 01:59:29.399 --> 01:59:31.000 But I have to say, going back and watching it 2616 01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:34.239 like these just as the characters and stuff, this episode 2617 01:59:34.319 --> 01:59:38.680 is what nearly fifteen years old now fourteen thirteen years old, 2618 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:41.319 and I thought I held up pretty good. You know, 2619 01:59:41.399 --> 01:59:43.079 it's out of its time and stuff. But I thought, 2620 01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:46.680 like that Hawkman looked great. I thought some of the 2621 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:50.359 story elements were good, and I just came in here 2622 01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:52.359 last night, I sat down in this room, I put 2623 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:54.000 it on, I took out the DVD, put it on 2624 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:57.199 and just really really enjoyed it and kind of let 2625 01:59:57.279 --> 01:59:59.920 me again would have wanted to go back and watch more. 2626 02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:02.039 So Yeah, thanks Emilly. 2627 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:06.039 Absolutely I will echo all that. And I think as 2628 02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:08.760 much as I have a litany of issues with the show, 2629 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:10.920 I think there is something beautiful about the fact that 2630 02:00:11.039 --> 02:00:14.439 they were able to mine ten years out of Superman's argent. 2631 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:15.520 I think that's really really cool. 2632 02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:18.680 Yeah, and Zach just need to say this again one 2633 02:00:18.720 --> 02:00:21.079 more time. You have been such a supporter of our show, 2634 02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:24.279 and we really really appreciate it. And I think it 2635 02:00:24.399 --> 02:00:26.319 is safe to say that your show is one of, 2636 02:00:26.520 --> 02:00:28.840 if maybe the best Superman. 2637 02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:29.319 Podcasts out there. 2638 02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:33.159 Absolutely, so a hearty congratulations to you for making it 2639 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:35.760 this far. And I can't wait to see how it 2640 02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:36.640 all turns out. 2641 02:00:41.079 --> 02:00:41.279 Well. 2642 02:00:41.800 --> 02:00:44.560 No, I appreciate it that guys. I yeah, definitely, you know, 2643 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:46.960 I enjoy all's content, so I definitely want to rebroadcast it. 2644 02:00:47.039 --> 02:00:48.520 And you know, we have a lot of friends to 2645 02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:49.680 do this, and I'm glad we've kind of had this 2646 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:51.479 community that we can all kind of be on each 2647 02:00:51.479 --> 02:00:53.960 other shows and it's all we're all part of the 2648 02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:56.079 same team, right, So that's that's the fun of it, right, 2649 02:00:56.199 --> 02:01:00.199 So these are fun times for real times. I not 2650 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.479 gonna believe it when it's over, probably, but but here 2651 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:02.760 we are. 2652 02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:05.079 So I gotta be real with you, though, Man, if 2653 02:01:05.159 --> 02:01:07.520 you do under tune a Heroes podcast, I don't know 2654 02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:10.199 how far I'm making it. In and rewatch the show 2655 02:01:10.920 --> 02:01:13.439 Devny season one. After that, I'm not sure. 2656 02:01:14.119 --> 02:01:17.680 Tease that so many times, and I feel obligated maybe 2657 02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:21.000 at some point to do it. But we'll see, we'll see, 2658 02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:23.399 look forward to it. All right, Well, let's gonna do 2659 02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:26.079 it for this episode of Always Won the Smable. Stay 2660 02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:30.199 tuned next time when we talk about Collateral, but until then, 2661 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:56.239 Always hold On a Smallville, Always Hold On To Smallville 2662 02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:58.239 is part of the Always Hold On To network of 2663 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:03.279 podcasts and brought to you by listeners like you, Chris Fuchs, Cavante, Chillis, 2664 02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:07.680 d J. 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