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Speaker 1: All right, Carl, welcome back to the show. How you

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doing that doing well?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know, apparently the word has gone

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out that you are now the actual host of this

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I've brought you on enough that there's apparently a dissidence

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arguing for a coup. So I figure, you know what,

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I can't let Carl get too powerful, right, so I

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brought on another you too, Jay Burden, for the record,

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Well good because I'm a dead man. Switch Carl with

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all of the series of falsely manufactured images of you

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at Little Saint James. So who knows, right if I

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suddenly disappear and those pop out on the internet, I'll

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figure out what happened. But in all seriousness, right, we

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do have a guest, a friend of mine, Art Wolf.

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Thanks for coming on, man, hey, thanks for having me. Yeah,

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so this is gonna be a little bit different than

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the normal live shows. It's gonna be a little bit

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more topical. We're gonna touch on a couple things guests here.

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As you know, he has a small FFL business, right,

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and we're talking about one obviously the two a situation

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in our state of Virginia, but also this kind of

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assault on small businesses. Some of this is immediate and legislative.

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Some of this is broader trends, things that make it

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difficult for you know, normal middle class people to start

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a business, right to do something pro social. And of

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course I think you know, people are familiar with the

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broad strokes of what happened electorally in Virginia. If not,

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use Google you can figure it out, but I'll throw

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it to you man, just as kind of a you know,

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a broad overview of you know, what you do. And

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then maybe if you could talk a little bit about

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the you know, the legislative impact of this most recent election.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I'm a home based FFL dealer, and I

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imagine a lot of your younger audience is probably already

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familiar or with what that is. But for those of

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them who are not familiar. So, when you want to

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buy a gun, you could either go to a gun store,

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so a brick and mortar store, commercially zoned building a

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business with guns all over the wall and ten dollars

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an hour employees running the counter. You go in, you

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pick out a gun, and you buy it. Well, actually,

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there's thousands of people around the country who have the

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exact same licensing to sell guns and make guns that

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these gun stores have, but instead of a commercially zoned

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business a retail store, they'll actually run the business out

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of their home. And there's really no difference administratively or

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legally in the status of a home based FFL dealer.

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So when it comes to the service we provide, it

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tends to be a little bit more bespoke, a little

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bit more tailored towards the clientele in the local community.

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So you could have a home based FFL maybe out

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in rural Virginia that really just has a kitchen countertop style,

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you know, you go in, you fill out some paperwork,

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and it's very casual. And then you might have a

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home based FFL who maybe takes it to another level,

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you know, maybe fortifies part of their home, plans to

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have a much higher volume of business, and maybe has

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a professionally formatted website with a catalog on it. And

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then you have everything in between. But the key difference

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is a home based FFL is really more for a

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customer who knows exactly what they want and they want

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no other bs, so they don't want to stand in line,

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they don't want to you know, do paper forms that

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take forever to fill out, And then you know, maybe

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the employee isn't entirely competent, or they're distracted, or when

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these customers are only using the business for a transfer,

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maybe they just want somebody who receives the box notifies

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the customer same day that it's ready for pickup, whereas

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in a gun store they're too busy for that. Maybe

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it takes five days before they even think to notify

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the customer their guns ready for pickup. Well, for these

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people who don't want all that bs, they don't want

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all the fluff, They just want to pick up their

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gun and get out of there, home based FFLs are

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the perfect option for them. And so I started this

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business in twenty nineteen. After doing a couple of transfers,

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I figured, you know what, I could do this a

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little more efficiently. I could apply some of my real

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world career experience, you know, maybe project management organizational skills,

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and I could do this a little better. I I

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could do it a little more efficiently, and maybe I

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could have a nicer website. And so I just rolled

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up my sleeves applied some of that true American grit.

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I converted my garage into an office and a workshop

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and replaced the garage door with the reinforced cinder block

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wall with skiff rated steel doors, bought a bunch of

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safes and.

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Speaker 2: Just got to it.

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Speaker 3: And then early on I started with WordPress sites, just

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kind of exploring options that are low cost, and that

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was a little rough. It's very difficult to have a

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nice catalog unless it's being professionally managed by a serious

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IT company. So eventually I started searching for software companies

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that provide the service, and I landed on one that

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does it specifically for gun businesses. It was very easy

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to set up, so I eventually grew to have a

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full on professional website with the catalog so customers could

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order whatever they want from me.

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Speaker 2: But the true.

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Speaker 3: Bread and butter of the business is transfers. It's hey,

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you know, it's great that you have a catalog and all,

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but frankly, I just want to buy my suppressor. I

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want to buy my gun from somewhere else. I found

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a great deal, and I just want you to do

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the transfer. And that's that's where I add the value.

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I get people in and out the door anywhere from

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seven to fifteen minutes usually, and I just do it

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on a rolling basis, all by appointment, day in, day out,

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and eventually grew to have a very good reputation as

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a result. It's a key niche service and it fits

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in really well in the area that I service, which

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is northern Virginia.

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Speaker 1: So two things there. One, you mentioned no skills from

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your other career, and you know, knowing a bunch of

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guys that do this, one of the things that I've

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realized is for most of them, it's a second job, right,

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It's a side hustle. It's something they do or supplement

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their income. That's theirs. And one if you could speak

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to that a little bit. And then two right, we're

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going to talk about a lot of the you know,

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the legislative issues you know that have cropped up in

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this business. Why you're exiting it, and so bears mentioning

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what are your customers like and are those the same

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customers who tend to do bad things with firearms?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so great point. So my customers are generally mid

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to high income professionals. There are very few, let's just say,

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troublemakers that make their way in and now, now why

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is that, Well, it's because I guess partly the kinds

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of people who are going to look for or a

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home base FFEL in the first place, or maybe a

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little bit more savvy about how guns even work, meaning

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like the gun buying process even works. Whereas if you

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have a brick and mortar store that's open to the public,

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it's open to foot traffic, kind of any person can

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just kind of wander in and say, oh, it's a

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gun store. This is where I go to buy guns.

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All my services are done by appointment only. Nobody is

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ever welcome to just show up and walk in. So

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randomly show up thinking it's a gun store. And I

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guess the fact that this is a single family home

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in a quiet suburban neighborhood was not enough of a

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hint that hey, this is not like a gun store

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in that sense. But you know, there's ways around that.

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You just kind of clearly list your business as FFL

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services by appointment, don't call yourself a gun store, and

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that kind of helps weed out the riff raff. But no,

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all my customers, out of all of them, just to

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give an idea the scale of the business of the

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business that I do. I've had I've done transfers for

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eight five hundred items over the past five to six years.

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I've had maybe four thousand unique customers, so a lot

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of repeat customers, but maybe four thousand unique individuals. And

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I would say, ninety nine percent of them are totally cool,

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could not give me any kind of bad vibes whatsoever.

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and they just come in and out and don't give

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me any trouble out of that very large volume of transfers. Okay,

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what can possibly go wrong? Well, somebody could commit a

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crime with the gun that you, the FFL dealer transferred,

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and then there's a follow up investigation with the state police.

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But that's usually very simple. They show up, they say, hey,

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we need the records for this guy, the firearm transaction record,

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which is the form you fill out when you do

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a firearm transfer, and in the state of Virginia, we

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have a separate form for the background check. So you

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simply provide those and then they can subpoena you as

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a witness if necessary. So to put it in perspective,

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with all the transfers that I've done, I've had maybe

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ten to fifteen where I subsequently had to provide records

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to the police, and I've had zero, well, I've been subpoenaed,

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but none of them ever panned out where I actually

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had to show up in court, So I've had zero

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court appearances as a result. And at least one of

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my customers did kind of a high profile thing. I

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guess he was driving around speeding and shooting at cops,

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which is pretty bad, and he was eventually apprehended I

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believe in prison now. But even there, I mean, it

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was kind of open and shut. I never had to

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deal with anything. I imagine it's a lot worse for

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brick and mortar stores just with the way their business

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is set up, They're going to have a lot more

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random people walking in, a lot more troublemakers, and a

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lot more issues now on the side hustle angle. So

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that's where maybe I'm lucky right this area, and the

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service I provide really is for people who have money

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to spend, so I'm more likely to make sales, and

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you know, frankly, you know, wealthy wealthy people are just better.

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I mean, they're polite, they're not penny pinching. They're not gonna,

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you know, say, oh, well, you know I could buy

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this from you, but if I spend an extra two

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hours researching, I could save eight dollars if I go

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with this other business, right, you'll have a lot less

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of that. And again, they're generally know how to carry themselves.

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They're respectful, they respect your time and your business, and

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in return, I treat everybody very fairly. I'm very professional

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and polite with everybody that I interact with, and I

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think people appreciate that. You know, contrasted with a full

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time brick and mortar gun business, where you know, there's

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high costs, so the costs of the products are going

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to be much higher when when you purchase them in store,

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and then, like we covered earlier, the actual third party

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transfer services they provide are not going to be as efficient.

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And again, you're not interacting with the owner who's put

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his heart and soul into the business directly. You're interacting

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with a wage employee who you know, and there's there's

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going to be varying degrees of competence there when you

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deal with me. You're dealing with me only there's nobody else.

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I know every aspect of this business. I've done thousands

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of transfers, uh, and you know, I've kind of dealt

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with all kinds of clients, with all kinds of different PaperWorks.

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So generally, I'm going to be quick to know, Okay,

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here's what you need in order to get this transfer done.

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So when I say that I bring some outside experience

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into this, I mean that can be a lot of things, right,

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I mean there's a lot of things that go into

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being a truly effective home based FFL servicing maybe mid

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to higher end clients. Communication skills, organizational skills, Understanding a

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thing or two about things like cloud computing, website design,

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inventory management, data science. Right, so if you want to

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sell guns these days, and we'll get into this, I'm

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sure you have to understand data science. And then beyond that,

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there's just a certain way to present yourself.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Everything's neat, orderly clean, and it's quiet, it's one on one,

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it's personal, and.

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Speaker 2: People like that.

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Speaker 3: People will even pay a little bit more for that

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kind of experience than they would just going to a

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gun store.

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Speaker 1: Well, and one of the things that you that you mentioned,

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and we can we can speak on this briefly before

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we get into the legislative angle, and we'll probably we'll

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finally bring Carl back instead of just making him sit

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in the podcast cup chair.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But there's an interesting angle to which, you know, guys

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like you, the sort of uh you know, middle level

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right kind of small businessmen are being squeezed out right

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by the firearms industry large. And obviously this certainly you know,

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matters with proposed laws in Virginia massively expanding the sort

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of law fair that can be uh you know, brought

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to bear on guys like you, but also just on

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the purchasing level right where everything has become very commoditized

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and look like I'll be honest, I do this right.

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If I'm looking for, you know, a certain item, I'm

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smart enough to figure out what the UPC is, how

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to look that up on Google and and you know,

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find whoever's going to save me a marginal sixty cents.

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Similar with you the FFL. And again there are you know,

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large distributors. I'm sure you know them better than I do.

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Who you know, because of economies of scale, can basically

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win that game. Either you know, honestly or dishonestly. So

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to what degree do you see there being sort of

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a you know, high and low squeeze versus kind of

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the mid sized businesses in that industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's start with the top down, right. So

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I don't know if this is in good faith or

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in bad faith, but the gun industry, right, if we're

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going to make an archetype, they're pretending like it's still

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the year in nineteen ninety seven. And the the supply

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chain works as follows. We invest millions of dollars to

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develop these guns. We make bulk sales to hopefully just

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the government and the military and the police, because they

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have tons of money to spend and they're going to

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put in large orders and that keeps things simple for us. Oh,

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by the way, there's also we're also in America, so

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there's also big civilian markets. Let's make some sales there

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as well. And the way that works is there's gun stores.

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and they have costs, and people go to the gun

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store to buy the guns. Uh, and that's about it.

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And so they'll that that's sort of how they how

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they set up the whole paradigm, and now inherent in that,

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you know, if that, if that really were the way

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things work, and there is no such thing as you know,

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online sales and people understanding what UPC codes are and

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understanding how to use UH search aggregators that you know,

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find the lowest possible retail deals on those UPC codes.

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then it would make sense to just establish an MSRP

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and then what's called a minimum advertised price, which is

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we the manufacturer will ban you and cut you off

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from the wholesale distributors if you list any deal be

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below this magic number for this product, okay. And the

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ostensible reason for that is, well, we're trying to protect

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the brick and mortar businesses. They have costs, they've made

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investments to be a gun store, and it would be

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it would be uncool of us to allow people to just,

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you know, when all said and done, make a net

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profit of eight dollars per item, but make the most

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sales as a result and take advantage of that economy

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of scale. So to put that in simple terms, the

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industry is saying, hey, you know, we set these minimum

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advertised prices and you can only list at this price,

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and it's kind of expected that you should keep an inventory, right.

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They really pushed that, like keep an inventory, the more

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you buy, the more you save, etc. Well, here's the

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problem with that. Here's what happens when you, as a

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home based FFL dealer or even a brick and mortar

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gun store, try to keep an inventory. You're going to

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spend tens of thousands of dollars on that inventory, and

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then you're gonna sit on it and eventually sell it

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at a loss. Now why is that. It's because it's

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a game of whack a mole. Right, there's going to

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be these small warehouse operations that crop up all over

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the place, and they'll sneak in the products at a

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lower price closer to what they're willing to make that's

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under the minimum advertised pricing policy. Okay, now, once you're

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on their radar. There's these software companies that I'm sure

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approach the gun industry as consultants and they say, hey,

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you know, there's all these dealers trying to list your

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products below your policy, and our web crawlers scan for

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these websites and these deals and flag them so that

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you can keep these policies in place. And once you're

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on that radar, you'll start getting these threatening emails if

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you ever list anything below what's called MAP minimum advertised price.

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So from the top, it's let's recap, right, Okay, you

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want to be a gun dealer, great stock an inventory,

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because any legitimate gun dealer would stock an inventory.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you?

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Speaker 3: And also, don't you dare ever list anything below this price? Now,

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here's what's unfair about that. When industry sells to wholesalers

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and they make their bulk sales, they've already made their money,

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so the transaction is complete now as far as they're concerned.

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there's still those manufacturers are still trying to control that

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relationship with your customers and dictate to you what price

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they're selling it at. Now again they're saying it's because, well,

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we need to protect small businesses that have costs and

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you can't undercut them. But here's the problem with that.

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First of all, the margins are insane, right like, and

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I'm going to pick on sig Sour. The most aggressive

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MAP policy enforcers. It's like, I don't know for sure

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how big the margin is from you know, manufacturing cost

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a wholesale price, but wholesale to minimum advertise retail price

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is like four or five hundred dollars. Now, what's the

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service that's really being provided. Well, you're doing paperwork for people,

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you're keeping an inventory, and you're selling the gun. So

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it's completely unreasonable. And I suspect it's because they want

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the downstream prices to remain high for two reasons. One,

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I guess it helps their book so it helps it

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helps them value their like their future production in like

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you know, quarterly projections with shareholders. Or maybe it's having

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your price, having your products priced highly maybe raises your

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your profile with the public, makes you come across more

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like a premium brand.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure those things come into play. But at the

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end of the day, when when you're trying to be

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a home based FFL dealer, you need to keep those

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overhead costs low. You don't want to sit on an

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inventory you don't want to buy you know, ten sig mpx's.

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And then see all these other retailers who are under

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the WebCrawler radar and you know, maybe selling them for

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like thirty fifty sixty dollars on top. You know, you're

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never going to make a sale because everyone's going to know,

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actually we could get it for a lot less than you.

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So you're stuck listing these expensive products at a very

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high price, and you have to somehow thread that needle.

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You have to communicate to people, well, actually we could

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sell it for lower, but I can't tell you how

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much until you reach out to me. Average online customer

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isn't gonna bother. They're just gonna click somewhere else and

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uh and buy somewhere else. So that would be the

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top down squeeze uh. And then you know, from from

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the other end, a lot of a lot of the

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younger generation, I suspect, you know, they understand like you said,

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they understand UPC codes, they know how to search gun

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dot deals, they know how to find deals posted on Reddit.

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They're maybe under the radar. And actually there's a retailers

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who gained that system. They'll sell guns at a huge loss,

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specifically just to build up their profile. And you know

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they'll call it like an advertising cost. And then so

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people on social media, let's say Reddit, they'll see those deals,

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and then once that deal occurs, they will never buy

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that same product, even at a price where you could

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even make a slight profit, because it just it's been ingrained. Hey,

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these things can sell for this low, why would you

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ever pay a penny more? And we're talking under dealer cost.

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So really the only way to have a viable business

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model is the transfer services at the end of the day.

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Now these are generalizations. You know, not all manufacturers are

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the same. Some are more reasonable than others, and a

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lot of times the margins will balance out in a

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way that the price that you sell it at is

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still very reasonable when you take into account that you're

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also doing the transfer for free as part of the sale.

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And that's sort of where it lands. But if you

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try to open up a gun business, you will fail. Okay,

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unless you have and this doesn't apply to people with

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millions of dollars of investment backing. This doesn't apply to

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people who already have some kind of major operations going on.

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But if you're just a small time business person, unless

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you have a range where you know, if you unless

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you have some kind of other service that you bro

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the table that people need, h Like, if you're an

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expert ak builder or if you do Sarah coding. If

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you're just trying to buy and sell guns as a

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business model, you will fail. If you try to get

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a commercially zoned property anywhere with any kind of in

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any kind of area that has a substantial population density.

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It's just it's just been gamed out. You know, your

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local costs, uh and other like cost facility costs, overhead costs.

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That's just going to ruin any possible margin you can

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make because again you're being squeezed between industry and the

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customer base.

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Speaker 1: Well and to that point, right, it's squeezing out a

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part of the market. It is both useful to customers, right,

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they get a better product or better experience that isn't

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directly trackable in dollars and cents.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: For instance, I was complaining to these guys about, you know,

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not that long ago, when I went to do some

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you know, an FA paperwork, I was stuck there for

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two and a half hours. Right, it was a horrible experience.

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I should have been in and out there in half

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an hour at most, Right, But like, okay, fair enough,

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that might have been the cheapest guy in town. But

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it was a horrible experience. I wasted a ton of

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time incidentally, right, Like, these are jobs for you know,

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normal middle class, pro social people, right, people who are

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interested in building something on their own, you know, providing

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a service to their community, and again doing more than

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kind of simply you know, their soulless corporate job, right,

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actually building something. So I want to pivot slightly to

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the new legislation, right, and some of this will be

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hyper specific to Virginia. But I thought we'd bring Carl

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on because look, man, I'm not trying to tell everyone

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where you live, but you're behind enemy lines, right, you

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have gone through a similar process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very recently.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think it might be good to talk about,

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if you would, Carl, the gap between the stated and

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revealed preference for these sort of you know, anti anti

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two A laws, right, because the stated preference, like our

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you know Bangladeshi ag art Wolf, is all about safety, right,

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It's all about you know, scary you know, assault weapons,

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which you know possess some in cell into a you know,

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a murderous rage. But that's very different than what actually

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is brought in. So I'll kick it to you, Carl,

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and then maybe art Wolf and I can react afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Great. So in some what we have seen in areas

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that were very good on two A and TEL. Let's

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just let's walk through a imaginary scenario. Imagine, if you will,

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everyone out there, you have a actual contentious elections where

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there's trading back and forth between Republicans and Democrats for dominance,

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and you have a pretty substantial, like you know, what

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we used to call blue dog democrat population where they're

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pretty normal, you know, working people, generally white, you know,

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with like hunting backgrounds and stuff. But you know, they're

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let's say they're in a union type industry and or

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that's dominated by a union, so they're they're members of

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the unions, and they're like, yeah, it makes sense. You know,

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I like having a union. There's good things about that.

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And you know, they vote Democrat for you know, all

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the all the old kind of classic normal reasons, and

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they don't like a lot of the kind of stereotypical

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things about conservative politicians, especially that some of the more

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performative elements are like gat related stuff. Right as we

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as we get into the more modern era, so what

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eventually happens is that you know, elements those populations are

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you know, the public face this like, this is the

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base and that and this is what we're doing. We're

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doing all this for you, for all these good thoughtful reasons,

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but the actual political machine before too long, starts saying, well,

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what we need to do is secure total victory forever

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as as our primary condition, and then we can ram

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everything down their throats that we want and we'll put

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a nice face on it. But what we're really trying

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to do is eliminate our position first of all, and

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then punish the Chuds who oppose us. And so, you know,

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00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,720
the Chuds who oppose us like small arms, right, and

478
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:16,079
they don't actually bother people or cause problems with these weapons.

479
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,599
Our clients are the ones you know, buy and large

480
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:24,039
that fit that bucket, and so we will never acknowledge.

481
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,279
You know, it's not the eighties or the early nineties

482
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,119
where we're going to acknowledge that the problem is coming

483
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,079
from our client, you know, a small segment of our

484
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,519
client base. Instead, we're gonna we're going to scapegoat our

485
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,440
enemies for all these things. And they just oppose safety

486
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
and they don't really care, you know, they're willing to

487
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,799
sacrifice all the children in the world and really, what

488
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,160
they're doing is they're trying to uh set us up

489
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,960
for conditions of anarcho tyranny where uh, you know, they

490
00:29:55,119 --> 00:30:00,920
legalize crime, uh and they outlaw the means self defense

491
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,039
or let's just say very carefully like opposition to same

492
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,319
right and opposition to to state policies as well as

493
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,559
enforcement of those state policies. Because again, you know, Don

494
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,079
Quavius with his Jay Burden approved Draco is not a problem,

495
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,440
even though he is the problem, right and and so

496
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,319
you know, defending yourself against him, we're going to send

497
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:32,920
the ag after you who might have your children, you know, murdered.

498
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,519
It's it's really, it's it's really quite insane. And when

499
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,200
you put it really at what the table stakes are,

500
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,400
they'll accuse you of making it up. But in reality,

501
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:50,240
that's the revealed preference. Like you don't get rid of

502
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,960
all the gun stores and then throw the guy out

503
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,680
on the street, you know, after he's arrested for attempted

504
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,319
murder like within two hours and then he kills someone

505
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,400
again and be like oopsies, that's been the case in

506
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,079
my state for about six years now. And so yes,

507
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,799
getting rid of all the gun shops, restricting the means

508
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:20,559
of self defense and let's say appropriate collective self defense

509
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:24,839
in the traditional sense. That goes back to a well

510
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,480
established background in our state, you know, from the early

511
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:32,079
settlement until let's say the nineteen twenties, Like that is

512
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,759
bad and real street crime isn't happening, but when it

513
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,119
happens to you, it's good. And if you defend yourself,

514
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:46,599
will crush you from the state level because like your

515
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,960
actual community and your sheriff might be opposed to that,

516
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,079
your sheriff who's elected by you and actually has to

517
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,079
deal with crime, like we've lately had actual sheriffs on

518
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:06,079
the street, like doing police work in a huge number

519
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,160
of jurisdictions because they one they have to because their

520
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
staffing has been so bad and keeping staff is really bad,

521
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,759
a real big problem for them. But they're in this

522
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,359
contentious relationship with the state government, particularly screeching females in

523
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,440
the legislature accordingly, and so it's this, it's this struggle,

524
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,200
and you really see it as a form of political warfare.

525
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,160
After some time passes and just the naked obvious again,

526
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:42,200
like you put it, revealed preference versus what their stated preferences.

527
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Well, and to that point, and obviously you know we're

528
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,319
still in very early in stages of yes, you know,

529
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,240
aggressive decline in my state. But we've seen that exact

530
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,640
same squeeze Ardwolf. I'll let you chime in in second.

531
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,119
But obviously you know the anti two A stuff has

532
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,200
been punishing and needlessly punitive, right, So for instance, you

533
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,119
know you have the you know, the sort of AWB

534
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,359
you would expect the most recent version would make it effectively, uh,

535
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,079
one year in prison for owning a magazine over twelve rounds.

536
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,200
That an odd number. I guess we're really passionate about

537
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,720
forty caliber blocks. But cool, I guess point is right again. Obviously,

538
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,240
this sort of needlessly punitive thing similarly restricting how much

539
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,480
land you have to have to shoot a gun. I mean, Artwolf.

540
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,400
You can think of guys with you know, at or

541
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,839
around five acres who shoot guns in a completely safe way,

542
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,000
or you know, might have some pests to take care of.

543
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,599
Well that's a crime. Now, you know, any number of

544
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,880
things that are relatively normal and in no way threatening

545
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,519
have been made crimes, whereas you know, there's no more

546
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,720
mandatory minimum for you know, burglary or rape or any

547
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,559
other number of crimes right, They're they're decriminalizing public vacrancy

548
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,640
like all of these sort of you know, an RC

549
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,880
tier any esque laws. I'll kick it to you, man,

550
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,160
if you think I've missed anything there.

551
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

552
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 3: So first of all, I just want to say, Carl

553
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:13,920
summed it up perfectly, articulated it perfectly. That is exactly

554
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,559
what is starting to happen in Virginia now. So there's

555
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,079
really nothing I can add to that well put. But

556
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,800
what I will say is this. So first of all,

557
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:32,320
the mandate, so our new governor is miss Spamberger. She

558
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:40,239
was elected because Donald Trump and Elon Musk went directly

559
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,559
after federal employees and then by extension, federal contractors. There's

560
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:48,559
a massive population of federal employees and contractors in a

561
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,480
cluster around northern Virginia. So if you look at a

562
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,760
map of Virginia for those who don't know, the entire

563
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,320
state is quote unquote normal folk and then Richmond, Charlottesville

564
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,599
and Northern virgin are kind of blue cities. There might

565
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,679
be an oversimplification, but that's essentially what it is, right,

566
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,519
But they have the highest population density and then through

567
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:18,119
the electoral processes, they end up owning the entire state. Well,

568
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,280
so Trump and Doge pissed off the entire Northern Virginia

569
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:26,840
community by going after federal contractors and federal employees. And

570
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,960
then I think in parallel to that, the major election

571
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,800
platforms were running on affordability and abortion right, So you

572
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,519
know you're going to have all kinds of Democrat voters

573
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:45,719
in the state focused on these key issues, but maybe

574
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,880
less so you know, maybe only five to ten percent

575
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
of them actually think that we should reduce mandatory minimums

576
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,320
for violent crime, sexual crime, et cetera. You know, maybe

577
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,800
a lot of them own guns, and they own magazines

578
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,920
with more than ten round capacity. Well, it doesn't matter.

579
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,800
The Democrat party in the state has seized this election

580
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,880
victory on these key issues and now are using it

581
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,280
as an excuse to steam roll the entire population with

582
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,320
the most aggressive, extreme policies you can imagine. So I

583
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,079
won't cover them all, but the one that most directly

584
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,440
affects the gun industry, I would say, I won't read

585
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,519
the whole thing, but it's the title of the bill.

586
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,639
You know, it's proposed, it's still in committee, but we're

587
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,440
going to assume everything will get rubber stamped. Firearm firearm

588
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:44,159
industry members standards of responsible conduct COMMA civil liability, and

589
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,039
ultimately it provides that firearm industry members may not knowingly

590
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,760
or recklessly create, maintain, or contribute to a public nuisance

591
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,880
as defining the bill through the sale, manufacturing, etc. Of guns.

592
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,000
So what that means is essentially, hey, you know, have

593
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,239
you in any way, shape or form been affected by

594
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,440
any kind of a gun crime. Great file suit and

595
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:17,880
our judicial industry will help you punish the gun industry

596
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:23,239
with lawsuits that essentially increases your liability risk. And even

597
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,480
if you win these cases, with these frivolous lawsuits, you

598
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,800
know you're you're out tens of thousands of dollars. So

599
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,800
the processes of the punishment, I would say that's the

600
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,440
real death sentence for the gun industry in Virginia. The

601
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,360
only thing that's going to be left is major big

602
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,320
box stores that can afford the increased costs and risk

603
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,880
to continue to continue operating. It's going to reduce access

604
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,039
to home based ffils. Obviously, guns are going to cost more.

605
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,760
They're adding sales tax to guns, which makes it virtually

606
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,119
impossible to compete with out of state retailers. But then

607
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:05,280
beyond that, I did want to touch on the attitudes

608
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,440
of the Democrat voters. Right, So many of my customers

609
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,239
are Democrats, and they have assault weapons. They have very cool,

610
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,800
expensive assault weapons that they love, and they have huge

611
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,239
collections of them. And they have many, many, many magazines

612
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,320
in their possession that have capacities more than ten rounds.

613
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:27,559
So you might wonder, well, gee, if this is so

614
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,039
important to you, and you've invested all this money in

615
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,760
this hobby and pastime of yours, how can you possibly

616
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:39,559
you know, actively vote for this to happen. And it

617
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:44,480
just boils down to cognitive dissonance and denial. And you know, look,

618
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,400
like I said, I'm polite to everybody. I'm professional, right,

619
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,400
I don't grill people like, hey, you know you voted Democrat, Well,

620
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,000
how do you like that? No, but I do kind

621
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,760
of say, hey, you know, what are your thoughts in

622
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,360
some of these bills? And it's universally just denial and

623
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,800
cognitive dissonance or just changing the subject. Right, Oh well,

624
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,880
you know the governor is going to veto this.

625
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: She's not.

626
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,119
Speaker 3: Oh well, you know they're just doing this to appeal

627
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,440
to their radical base, but they have no intention of

628
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,960
actually getting these pasts. I mean, you know, you wouldn't

629
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,199
believe the level of denial here. The point is, there

630
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,079
is no actual mandate for any of this stuff. Again,

631
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:31,840
it's government jobs, it's abortion, and it's affordability or just

632
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,840
not liking Trump and sticking it to the current administration

633
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,320
at the federal level. It is the average person doesn't

634
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,039
want any of this stuff, and it's basically getting rammed

635
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:47,400
through because, as Carl put it, they want total victory.

636
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,960
They want to remove any form of opposition. So now

637
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,119
they're going to redistrict everything so it'll be like maybe

638
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,320
one Republican senator at the state level moving forward. And

639
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,639
they want to punish the chuds for you know, there

640
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,239
are dangerous hobbies. That's really what it boils down. Dude,

641
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:11,599
It's a form of class warfare. I'm sorry, I think

642
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,199
you're on mute.

643
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 1: Incredibly professional podcaster. Uh look, if you guys and I

644
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,639
decided to sit around and maybe the beverage or two

645
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,920
and solve the problem of gun violence right this pandemic,

646
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,840
there are things that could be done, right. You know,

647
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,800
I see another guy who worked as an FFL in

648
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,960
chat talking about you know, straw purchases, and I mean, look, man,

649
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,880
I've seen these happen, right, you know, I've seen a

650
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,920
rather you know, well built young woman there with her boyfriend,

651
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,639
you know, where he's picking everything out at the pawn shop.

652
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Like you don't be a genius.

653
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:51,199
Speaker 2: Right.

654
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,559
Speaker 1: Similarly, if you would, if you had really committed to

655
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,320
the idea of you know, banning things to make this

656
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,679
go away, well, you know, you wouldn't be going after

657
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,480
three thousand dollars Belgian rifles and you know expensive stuff, right,

658
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,960
because very few people who you know knock over liquor

659
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,320
stores have you know, four or five grand for you know,

660
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,599
cool stuff. Right. Generally it's you know, cheap garbage. Not

661
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,280
saying we should, but clearly right it is what you

662
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,679
said Ardwolf, right, it is we don't like the chuds,

663
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,280
make them go away. And also you know this plays

664
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,599
well in suburban white women, right, that's another part of

665
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,679
it as well. So Carl, I'm curious, right if you

666
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,119
could kind of you know, share your experience for someone

667
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,079
who's you know, gone through this, how did first the

668
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,519
chuds react to you know, these sort of you know,

669
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,000
aggressive bills. And also, you know, how does this kind

670
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,280
of prototypical you know, liberal gun owner react Because if

671
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,400
I remember correctly, you were sharing a story in a

672
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,280
very good episode of Thomas's show, You and Andy Edwards,

673
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960
where you know, you were talking about, you know, driving

674
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,639
through the middle of nowhere and you know, coming upon

675
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,400
you know, kind of your prototypical you know, Pacific Northwest hippie,

676
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,360
you know, armed trapesing through the woods and you know,

677
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,199
long hair of bearded. Yeah, passled all over right. Just

678
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:14,199
obviously an amusing anecdote, but I'm curious to get your

679
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:14,679
thoughts on that.

680
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Well, So here's here's a really important thing that that

681
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,760
people forget about a lot of the times is a

682
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,840
huge amount of the push for gun control. Uh. You know,

683
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,480
there's different eras of gun control, and and like if

684
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,639
if you were to go on on Twitter, the platform

685
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,880
stupidly renamed x whatever you want to call it, right now,

686
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,079
someone will tell you nobody has tried to outlaw private

687
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,480
firearms ownership. That that's never happened in your delusional and

688
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,360
it's like no, if if you look at the all

689
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,360
of the uh, the various gun control organizations and the

690
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,480
stuff that they talked about throughout the twentieth century, their

691
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:01,239
goal was total disarmament, total civilian disarmament. Like uh Feinstein

692
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:06,119
talked about it all the time, you know, Chukshuma, like

693
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,440
all those people. They've been very candid about it, but

694
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,239
then they always put on a different public face. And

695
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,280
in the sixties it was very brazen and it I

696
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,360
will point out that the NFA, the reason we have

697
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,599
the short barreled rifle short barrel shotgun is because originally

698
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,400
handguns were included in the National Farms Act of nineteen

699
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,920
thirty four that was dropped for because it was just untenable.

700
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,199
So anyhow, when we think about this and the different

701
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,880
people that are talking about this, a lot of the

702
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,920
people pushing for the most egregious forms of gun control

703
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:48,840
right now in these state legislatures are relatively recent immigrants

704
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:55,320
from let's say India or Bangladesh or Pakistan. It's incredibly common.

705
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,480
And I'm not saying that they're the first people who've

706
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,519
ever pushed for gun control. That's not what I'm saying.

707
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,840
What I'm saying is gun control is incredibly Gun control

708
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,599
against the American population is incredibly popular for those people,

709
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,920
and if you've ever let's say, encountered them in political

710
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,599
discussions online, you would understand why. And the thing to

711
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,719
understand about the places that they come from is that

712
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,840
gun laws are for other people, and they break the law.

713
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,719
That's just the way other cultures work in the vast

714
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,800
majority of cases, like you have strict gun control, but

715
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,880
like their political parties will have weapons and then they

716
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,280
will arm themselves around the time of elections, let's say.

717
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,519
And it's incredibly common around the world. Your leopard skin

718
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,320
looks lovely, by the way, mister Burden, it looks really cool.

719
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 1: Thank you. So I've just decided to adapt to our

720
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,360
new environment and so set myself up as sort of

721
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,880
a you know, anial ruler esque figure. So I think

722
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,719
I will start paying for some uh, you know, someone

723
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,239
to fan me. Uh you know during these it's it.

724
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,800
I haven't quite figured out all the details, but uh yeah,

725
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,480
I appreciate that.

726
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,639
Speaker 2: Carl a few a few more suggestions. So yes, a

727
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,239
nice fan, uh, some some sort of you know palm

728
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,519
fan leaf in the background or fan palm whatever they

729
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:30,559
call them, a spear, a cowskin shield, uh, and then

730
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:36,440
the draco goes in front of it. So anyway, actually, well, yeah.

731
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: I actually have a cowskin shield somewhere around there from

732
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,719
my great grandfather's adventuring I'll see if I was still

733
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,880
in decent shape.

734
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,119
Speaker 2: That's wonderful. So so the way that it actually plays

735
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:54,559
out as these restrictions happen is that one the chuds

736
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:57,000
all rush to buy something that they want to get.

737
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,079
And if I can, if I can make some recommendations

738
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,480
to you all, if you already have like ars and

739
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:07,400
aks and like an f al or whatever, and you

740
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:15,159
know handguns, just buy magazines because the magazine restriction is

741
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,559
what really eats into you. And if you have a

742
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,920
restriction where you'll still be able to buy some variant

743
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,159
of a gun that you want to get, but the

744
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,239
magazines are going to be a problem, and you know

745
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,840
you're going to buy it the next couple of years.

746
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,800
Buy the magazines. And when Carl Doll tells you to

747
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,039
buy magazines, I'm saying, like, buy at least like ten

748
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,239
magazines for a rifle and at least six magazines for

749
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,719
a pistol. That's just that's just how I think. Then

750
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,320
you look at the ammunition restrictions, YadA YadA. If you

751
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,079
already have stuff that you can work with, there's there's

752
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,360
ways around things. But the truth is is that people

753
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,119
just violate these laws all the time the people that

754
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:01,320
push them, and like if you were to go to,

755
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,480
for example, a a store run by a Bangladeshi person

756
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,039
who voted for for this individual in Virginia who's pushing

757
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,679
these documents, he has illegal firearms that were brought in

758
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,119
from out of state because he doesn't follow the laws.

759
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,239
Like that. That's just the way that it works. And

760
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,480
people get busted for that stuff around here all the time.

761
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,360
So like people really need to change their their point

762
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,760
of their their frame of mind about the way that

763
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,320
people follow or violate the laws. And they'll they're pushing

764
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,400
these laws to control you, not themselves, and uh, they

765
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,119
just they just ignore the law. So I know, I'm

766
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,000
kind of rambling here. What what what really happens though,

767
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,880
is that you will you will have How how do

768
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,840
you fight back against this stuff? One there's uh, there's

769
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,199
the legal means and the the other one is not

770
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480
illegal means. But it's more like public rallies and things

771
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:12,280
like that to draw attention to things, and you know

772
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:18,239
where you see successes, like for example, Oregon had a

773
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:22,239
very broad gun control law put into place that was

774
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,679
a little too broad, and actual implementation of the the

775
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,320
rules by were put onto the counties, and then the

776
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,719
counties actually ended up suing over it, and the lawsuit

777
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,920
it basically required some additional laws to be pushed through,

778
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,639
which again with total control by the Democratic Party because

779
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,519
again they implement mail and voting, et cetera, so that

780
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:54,480
they can and then also broad like motor voter type

781
00:48:55,199 --> 00:49:00,039
registration rules where it's up to the state and and

782
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,199
and it requires the FEDS to come in and clean

783
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:10,320
up the voter rolls, you know or not? Right, we

784
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:20,079
just had like a million fake or dead registrations removed.

785
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,719
That is more than Like all of these things are

786
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,800
always more than enough to sway elections because what happens

787
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,079
is that the actual party machines at the county level

788
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,880
just stuffed the ballot box to get the results that

789
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,559
they want. And then then the state level would never

790
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,440
question it because they're controlled by the same party. So

791
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,360
that's the future of Virginia if you guys can't stop

792
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,280
it or have a severe federal intervention, which is hopefully

793
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,039
what will happen. But then you also have the you

794
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,360
guys had the rallies around eight years ago, eight to

795
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,519
ten years ago where gun owners were coming out and

796
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,199
basically doing good patrol in front of the Capitol, which

797
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,039
can be effective, but that's only if you have a

798
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:13,519
responsive legislature, in which case, you know, you don't. And

799
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,599
my guess is that that would as as a right winger,

800
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,559
my my belief is that would not be tolerated now

801
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,639
and and in fact it would probably be a big problem.

802
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,679
But you know, so that becomes a I wouldn't recommend it,

803
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,519
but do what you got to do kind of a situation,

804
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:33,679
because it's a waste of time around here to do

805
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,199
that stuff. So it's all done in the courts, legislature

806
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,000
and then finding little niches that allow you to work

807
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:44,000
around them.

808
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:47,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that's that's sort of an

809
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:52,559
interesting thing as well. A lot of the people I

810
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,480
see the most disturbed by this, and who knows, or

811
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,480
maybe this is a cope, but uh, I have.

812
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: Sort of.

813
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm cultivating an air of detachment, right, you know, like

814
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,840
the Trump Buddha statue. Right, I have done all I

815
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,559
can do, and yet you know, this is what it is.

816
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,079
But I think a large part of the reason you see,

817
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,039
you know, conservatives so deeply upset about this, like some

818
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,719
of it's very legitimate, right, their home is being ruined.

819
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,400
I get that, But I think another part of it

820
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,519
is that they haven't really figured out yet that the

821
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,360
government isn't theirs, you know, that this thing is not

822
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,719
run for their benefit. And I wonder if that's part

823
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,159
of the freak out we're seeing from kind of the

824
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,920
you know, the good hearted boomer cons. Do you think

825
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,199
I'm correct their art Wolfer? Am I missing something? Yes? One?

826
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 3: So once again, yeah, Carl's really just articulated everything perfectly.

827
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,199
So first of all, this speaks to a much much,

828
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,960
much deeper, more fundamental issue of what this country even is.

829
00:51:59,159 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: Right.

830
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: So it's this is not a good faith disagreement between

831
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,840
I would say, even between countrymen.

832
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,199
Speaker 2: Right.

833
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: Let you know, I don't want to paint the past

834
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,400
as as having you know, I don't want to look

835
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,320
through rose colored glasses at the past, right, But I

836
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,960
don't know. I get the sense that prior generations were

837
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,480
they were all Americans. Maybe some were more progressive than others,

838
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:35,800
but they they fundamentally agreed on more things. And yes,

839
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,119
I mean they did push. I mean they banned alcohol,

840
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,719
and they tried to ban all kinds of things that

841
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,000
didn't end up going through. Back in eighteen thirty four.

842
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:50,320
But I would say to a greater degree the country

843
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,800
was more unified and people were less alienated than they

844
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,440
are now. And so I could see how in the

845
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,360
past one might think, Oh, these these democrats, they're so stupid.

846
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,760
You know, we just got to engage in more debates

847
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,320
and win them over and eventually, you know, it's like, uh,

848
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,760
well Buckley kind of approach, like we got to just

849
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,840
be respectable and lead by example, and and surely they'll

850
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,760
come around our way of seeing things. Uh, it's this

851
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,480
is not the case at all. This is not a

852
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,559
good faith disagreement. Uh, this is not based on ignorance.

853
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,719
In fact, it's quite the opposite. They have all kinds

854
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,960
of these legislators, have all kinds of bug men just

855
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,280
doing industry research on their behalf and really feeding them,

856
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,559
Like how how do you most effectively screw with your

857
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:47,639
average gun owner, both in direct ways just you know,

858
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,679
broadside attacks on things like owning assault weapons, owning magazines,

859
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,840
but also all these peripheral ways like banning concealed carrying parks,

860
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,400
and and I guess what I would really want to ask,

861
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,440
Let's say a system believer, is you know, is it

862
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,800
just ignorance when you have a trifecta of number one

863
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:17,159
reducing mandatory minimums on violent crimes, number two reducing legal

864
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,760
gun ownership and access to guns by you know, messing

865
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,599
with the industry, and then number three removing qualified immunity

866
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:32,039
from police, meaning all the competent, effective police officers are

867
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,800
just going to leave the state and go find jobs

868
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,519
and other departments. You know, what possible reason would you

869
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:41,559
have for wanting these three things to come together?

870
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Right?

871
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:49,679
Speaker 3: And so unfortunately our state is full of both global

872
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,159
conservatives and global democrats who still see this as, oh,

873
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,280
you know, it'll sort of sort itself out in the courts.

874
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,880
I mean, yes, we did have you know, the Chud

875
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,679
parade in Richmond recently. I think the turnout wasn't nearly

876
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,599
as good as it was a few years prior when

877
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:12,519
there was another attempt. Things are different now, they hold

878
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:17,800
a solid majority, there was a blue wave. They're redistricting

879
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,679
to prevent either the house, state house, state Senate, or

880
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,320
governorship from ever becoming Republican again. So there will never

881
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,599
be a barrier again. And they want it all. This

882
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,119
is not and yeah, you know, yes, of course we

883
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,480
have the court system in place, But here's the problem, right,

884
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,639
those things take years to resolve themselves.

885
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: So if I pass, yeah, fifty.

886
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,679
Speaker 3: Gun laws all at once or whatever, you know, let's

887
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:51,559
not even say fifty, let's say five five really really

888
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,360
effective anti gun laws. How long is it going to

889
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,480
take for those things to weave their way through, you know,

890
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:03,039
through our court system. Even if we win one per year,

891
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,639
that's just five years for them to pass even more

892
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,760
laws that are going to have to go through the courts. Right,

893
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:18,599
So it's just a fundamentally it's an unfair paradigm. It's

894
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,360
stacked in the left's favor, and I don't really see

895
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,400
any effective way of changing it. So it is very

896
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,719
much like, yeah, I think all you have left is

897
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,840
the Buddhist statue approach. And I guess what most directly

898
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,519
affects people is you are going to see a change

899
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:42,280
in your day to day life. And by the time

900
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,760
that change arrives, it'll be too late. Now, people who

901
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,440
are a little bit more savvy or maybe understand or

902
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,199
maybe i'd say they're a little more realistic about the

903
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,760
way politics works, right, and maybe we're a little bit

904
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,119
more terminally online looking at videos about crimes and and

905
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,559
civil unrest in other places. We kind of know what's coming, right,

906
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,760
We're gonna have tent cities full of drug addicts. I

907
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,079
have a you know, And you know what's so tragic

908
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:13,880
about this is I love Virginia, right. I love everything

909
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,559
from the geography, I love the climate, and I love Virginians.

910
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:23,000
And I also love what Virginia represents historically. And I

911
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,719
love my home. I put my heart and soul into

912
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,440
creating a home here for my family. I don't want

913
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,480
to leave. But what's going to happen is I have

914
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:33,239
this beautiful creek near my home where you could take

915
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,400
a nice, you know, three or four mile walk, and

916
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,480
in the heart of northern Virginia, you can't even see

917
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:41,719
a building. You see nothing but trees and a trail

918
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,639
and a creek. I love taking my dogs there. Well,

919
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:48,239
how long before we get Ms thirteen gang bangers hanging

920
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,360
out there? How long before we have drug addicts hanging

921
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,679
out there who are going to be increasingly bold in

922
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,039
approaching your family when you're not there. And guess what.

923
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:01,920
There's signs at the entrances to at all the entrances

924
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,880
to this park and trail, as there are in many

925
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,679
other places in Virginia that say no firearms allowed. There's

926
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:11,440
a picture of a Bretta pistol with a big, you know,

927
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:14,039
line through it, and it says having a valid concealed

928
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:18,920
carry permit is is not an exception to this rule.

929
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:25,559
So it just kind of they're really screaming at you

930
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:28,440
with a bullhorn. We don't like you, we don't care

931
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,920
if you die, we don't want you to be able

932
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,000
to protect yourself, and we don't want and we're going

933
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,239
to remove any barriers to the criminal element in society

934
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:43,000
from victimizing you. I don't understand how that's still not

935
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,239
enough for I would say, a critical mass of voters.

936
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,920
They still very much believe that. Well, you know, this

937
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,079
is just an honest disagreement. It's politics. It is what

938
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:59,719
it is. But it'll sort itself out. I don't see

939
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:00,239
it that way.

940
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,199
Speaker 1: It's a it's an extraordinarily grim situation, to be perfectly honest.

941
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,119
We have a few super chats, just a couple very generous.

942
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,960
The first which I don't know if I can read

943
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:18,920
really much of this at all, but Cordy YYZ asked me,

944
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,039
is this like a BBL for Final Fantasy fans? Confused?

945
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,880
But I'll take your money. So here's my money bi

946
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,199
monthly donation to the Distant Right NPR. Any any plans

947
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:34,320
to expand to Canada. Well, no, for any number of reasons, right,

948
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but I do appreciate the donation nonetheless. And then Arthur

949
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,000
and Kelly, a very good substacker, asked any action so

950
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,440
far from the NRA and other two A groups against

951
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:48,039
proposed Virginia legislation beside more fundraising emails. I haven't seen

952
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,159
a thing, Ardwolf, have you noticed anything on that front?

953
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:53,039
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

954
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be GOA and other groups that do do

955
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,480
this kind of stuff is specialize that all what you've

956
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,599
seen locally.

957
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: And to be fair, effectively, a large part of this

958
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:10,559
is that you know, nothing's really been signed. These are

959
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:15,119
moving through committee. So I hate to side with those

960
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:18,440
sort of organizations who I view as largely feckless. But

961
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,559
to be honest, what are they going to do?

962
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Right?

963
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: Like? Literally, what are they going to do?

964
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: What can they do? What can they do?

965
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: Exactly?

966
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,599
Speaker 3: Well, even if even after the laws pass, right that

967
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,000
there's even if the Supreme Court steps in on you know,

968
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,519
one or two of these key issues and resolves it,

969
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,719
it doesn't matter right, they have the power at the

970
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:44,400
state level. Right, didn't the Supreme Court pass bruin Can

971
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,960
you get a concealed kerry permit today in New York City?

972
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,480
I still think they they found a way to prevent

973
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:51,159
that from happening.

974
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: Right.

975
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: If the state wants to make life miserable for law

976
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,599
abiding taxpayers, they will, and no amount of favorable court

977
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:03,679
rulings is going to change that. The point is they're

978
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:05,480
in power, and they don't like you, and they want

979
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:11,840
to make you miserable, and then you, as the opposition

980
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,679
or the dissidentce you basically have to decide, Okay, am

981
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,559
I just going to continue to live here in my

982
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:22,599
home that I love and just take more precautions and

983
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,800
just suffer through it? Or am I going to leave?

984
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,920
Those really are your two options? Ultimately?

985
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, look, I mean I am here for the

986
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:36,679
long haul one way or the other. So I guess

987
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,320
I've made my choice. Other people are free to make theirs,

988
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,159
but we are fast approaching on time. Ard Wolf, I

989
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,079
guess you really don't have anything to promote. I see

990
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,519
you on sub stacks sometimes, but I just kind of

991
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,960
in my comments. Is there anything you want to direct

992
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,400
people towards well.

993
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: I guess if you want to get a firearm transferred

994
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,639
or purchase something within the next three months, you could

995
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:09,199
visit Ardwolfsolutions dot Com and browsear catalog. But other than that, hey,

996
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:15,719
you know, it's it's ultimately a sin to fall into despair, right,

997
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,480
there is a sin of despair. You you have to

998
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:23,920
have faith. You have to believe that ultimately, good, honest

999
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,280
people will prevail. And and that's where I'm at. I

1000
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,119
don't I don't have any easy answers. I don't even

1001
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:34,280
have any practical advice, but just ultimately this is wrong

1002
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:41,280
and it can't continue, and there it will, and eventually

1003
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,199
we will find a way to just be able to

1004
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,440
live normal, decent lives. I don't have an answer as

1005
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,079
to how exactly that will happen, only that I have

1006
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,840
faith and certainty that it will ultimately happen.

1007
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,559
Speaker 1: I'll kick it to Carl, who will tell you to

1008
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:02,519
buy book. You should buy book. But we've had two

1009
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,440
more super chats to come in. Feel free to keep

1010
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,599
sending them. I will take your money and read your

1011
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,719
questions for as long as you want to keep it up.

1012
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,280
H zh zh nash. One before Trump became president, libertarians

1013
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,800
asked Trump to pardon a guy who ran a drug website.

1014
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,920
Trump pardoned that person. What did gun rights groups asked

1015
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,599
Trump to do before he became president, If they did anything,

1016
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:27,119
I am not aware of it.

1017
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:27,679
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1018
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,199
Speaker 1: I would say that might be a slightly unfair characterization

1019
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,480
of the Silk Road guy. I don't view him entirely

1020
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:44,000
that negatively. Russ Albert, but a note for another day. Oh, great,

1021
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:46,679
pilled Ending. I didn't know what FFLs were, Okay, I

1022
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:48,800
see the joke now, trying to be funny. Did you

1023
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,119
hear that Toronto police will not comply with a national gunban?

1024
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,480
I did not hear that the Canadians are a very,

1025
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:02,000
very weird situation, because again, Canada is not a real

1026
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:05,840
country anymore. Sorry to break this to you. Canada exists

1027
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,679
in opposition to the American political establishment. Okay, in opposition.

1028
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,599
They exist in relation to the American political establishment. So,

1029
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,960
for instance, you guys got a gunman because of American

1030
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,039
domestic politics. Sorry about that. That sucks, doesn't make sense,

1031
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:25,480
seems to be incredibly punitive, But you know what, at

1032
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,880
least guys on reservations still have clapped out Chinese sks is,

1033
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:31,719
But yeah, I hope that. I hope the Toronto Police

1034
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:36,800
helps you all out because clearly you need it. Carl relinks.

1035
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,760
Where can people find.

1036
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:43,199
Speaker 2: You Carl Dahl dot substack dot com or buy book

1037
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,639
on Amazon actually two books, Faction and Faction with your Crusaders.

1038
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:52,039
Thanks for having me, I really I am a big

1039
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:57,159
fan of the home based FFL. It is, in my experience,

1040
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:02,920
almost always a much more wonderful experience than dealing with

1041
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,360
a retailer unless you have like a really good one.

1042
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:13,000
Support whoever is actually good in your area for you

1043
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:16,559
provides a good experience, help keep them in business. Thank you.

1044
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:20,119
Speaker 1: I will say that is a great message, one that

1045
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:24,119
I largely agree with. But there is a genuine benefit

1046
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:28,639
to being the most upstanding customer at a horrible hole

1047
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,039
in the wall pawn shop because you will get social

1048
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:35,039
treatment like you would not believe. It is the firearms

1049
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:39,239
equivalent of having a koolie to fan you down while

1050
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:45,000
you podcast in front of your leopard skin. It's an

1051
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,920
experience I wouldn't recommend for everyone, but you know, there's

1052
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:50,679
an upside to the true low end of the market

1053
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:55,039
as well. One more Nope, shoot, I can't Big Ben

1054
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:59,320
I can't put that up. Sorry, exact X comment on

1055
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:02,119
from on why it's not a federal climb to employ

1056
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,079
or rent to illegals with ten k per incident fine,

1057
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,239
millions would self deport within six months. I mean that's true.

1058
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:11,280
If that or the law, and if it were enforced,

1059
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,119
millions of people would leave. However, no one actually wants that.

1060
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:18,039
And when I say no one, I don't mean like

1061
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,840
you and I X or anyone here. No one wants

1062
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,000
that because, as we found out with you know, the

1063
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:29,639
conservative conservative luminary brill and Hollyhand, renting to illegal immigrants

1064
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,760
is a phenomenal business model, right, both on the small

1065
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,400
scale for people you know, slum lords, and also for

1066
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,920
right large you know, institutional investors. Basically right, Yeah, the

1067
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:45,679
JR Bazaar has a more direct answer, but similarly with

1068
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,280
UH employment, it's the same thing, right, There are a

1069
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,239
lot of industries that depend on that, and there there

1070
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:54,960
simply isn't the money to make it happen. To be honest,

1071
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:56,440
I'll kick it to you guys if you have other

1072
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,360
thoughts on that, I'm.

1073
01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: Just nodding my head furiously in agreement. It's that simple.

1074
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,440
If they if the system wanted these people to self support.

1075
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,719
They would make it so that they would self deport.

1076
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:16,039
A system is what it does. It's that simple. What

1077
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:19,519
what are the effects of the current policies. That's what

1078
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:20,280
the system wants.

1079
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:26,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that I will say that I have

1080
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,440
seen locally and like flagrant, flagrantly abusive businesses have been

1081
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:37,000
cracked down on in places not nearly enough, not nearly enough.

1082
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,000
Can I tell one super quick home story.

1083
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: Look, I'm unemployed. Well what do you have to do?

1084
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:49,519
Speaker 2: We have several things in common, mister Verdon. So it's

1085
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:54,679
it's funny. The very first home FFL transfer I did

1086
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:59,639
was very interesting. The the gentleman running the business was

1087
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:06,000
part of of my state gun club, and they would

1088
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,599
run gun shows through the club just so that they

1089
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:12,599
could put some guidelines in that that kept the tourist

1090
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:17,800
G two c ati ar pistol and draco buyer demographic

1091
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:24,840
away from us. Yeah, colloquially anyway. And so I descended

1092
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,039
into this house in a neighborhood that my grandparents lived

1093
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:31,039
in and were driven out of in the fifties by

1094
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:36,199
a demographic change that had caused problems for their oldest child.

1095
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,800
And this this fellow had been living there for more

1096
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,399
than sixty years, and he had sixty years of junk

1097
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,159
in the basement, like newspapers stacked to the ceiling that

1098
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,520
we like walked down this little narrow area. And then

1099
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,760
there was like seven elaborate train sets set up, which

1100
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,640
was really cool. And then he just had like sheet

1101
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,960
metal gunlockers that all of the guns were in, and

1102
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,560
we did the paperwork and it went pretty smoothly. And

1103
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,880
he had the biggest collection of broom handle mousers, strange

1104
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:18,920
Chinese like Warlord pistols, and then Ingless high powers. He

1105
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,039
had every variant of English high Power as well as

1106
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:26,319
every variant of Webley that I've ever seen in my life.

1107
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,119
He had at least twenty four Webley's, So I got

1108
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:33,399
to play with all those things very carefully while he

1109
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,960
did the paperwork on a Styre M forty for me.

1110
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 3: Well on that note, and that is the archetypal home

1111
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,479
based fl But I actually have a humbist FFL customer story. So,

1112
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,640
like I said, ninety nine percent of my customers are

1113
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,920
all totally cool. So I read and this is actually recent.

1114
01:09:54,479 --> 01:10:00,359
I had a very old chiropractor by a seek Camp

1115
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,000
thirty two caliber pistol a couple weeks ago.

1116
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:07,319
Speaker 2: Interesting and how depressed is he is?

1117
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:09,399
Speaker 1: Easy, he like laf for a way out.

1118
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: And so he had already been, you know, over, He's

1119
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,159
been through the process. He knows where my location is.

1120
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,600
He's sat in the chair in my office directly in

1121
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,560
front of me. And then two weeks later he comes back,

1122
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,920
and in the interim, I had taken down the sign

1123
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,479
off my door because I'm in the process of shutting down.

1124
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,079
Of course, he takes the last time slot and is late,

1125
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:36,399
and then pulls his car up in the driveway, and

1126
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,840
I guess he notices the sign is gone, and that

1127
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,760
confused the shit out of him, and he left, came

1128
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,640
back another twenty minutes later, so he's ultra late. Comes

1129
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,479
in and of course, as an entitled boomer, just has

1130
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,760
cops in attitude. But whatever, I sit him down, get

1131
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,239
through the process, only to realize, sure enough, we can't

1132
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:58,600
even transfer the gun because there's a one handgun per

1133
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,520
thirty day limit. So anyway, he leaves, and I think

1134
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,760
while he was pissing me off, me being professional and polite,

1135
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,159
I was trying to tell him to fuck off politely.

1136
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,399
So I told him, hey, you know in the future

1137
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,119
you might be better served going somewhere else, meaning a

1138
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,479
gun store, so I don't have to deal with you,

1139
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:23,159
and he subsequently, I just want to read what he

1140
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:26,920
wrote last night when I had a very difficult time

1141
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:30,399
trying to locate your business due to poor illumination and

1142
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,640
the fact that you removed your sign. You mentioned you

1143
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,600
were going out of business. I agree that it would

1144
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,760
be preferable, safer, and more compliant than trying to run

1145
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:46,079
a quasi gunshop out of your basement. And so I'm

1146
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:48,159
interested in purchasing your business.

1147
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: And he made me an offer.

1148
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 3: It really blew me away. But that's the worst case

1149
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,279
example of who you're going to run into, aside from

1150
01:11:56,279 --> 01:12:00,079
the g TWOC buyers as a home based FFL. So

1151
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,199
if you're planning on starting an FFL business, just grow

1152
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:07,159
a thick skin, because you are going to get insulted

1153
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:09,319
by the boy class.

1154
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring that up, because this actually is.

1155
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:16,319
There's a Branziski in chat telling a story very similar

1156
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,920
to one I experienced about a guy you're trying to

1157
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,159
break in and steal from an FFL. So during a

1158
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:27,119
brief period last year, I would call it a kind

1159
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:30,920
of like early onset Alzheimer's. I thought I was a

1160
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,560
SIG two two nine guy found out I was not

1161
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,159
very quickly, but I picked one of these up, you know,

1162
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:38,600
police surplus. I think I paid three hundred bucks for it.

1163
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,880
You're not a bad deal. Right when I was doing

1164
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:46,239
the paperwork, the police comment, and you know, they're talking

1165
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:48,079
to the owner. So I'm, you know, not trying to

1166
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,560
eat drop. But after they leave, I ask, and this

1167
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,760
is a you know, one of those indoor ranges right

1168
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,199
where you can rent guns or whatever. And apparently this

1169
01:12:56,279 --> 01:13:03,279
aspiring astrophysicist had rented a gun, put it in his

1170
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,159
book bag and just left and then robbed a store

1171
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,399
with it. And as I'm sure you're aware of both

1172
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,479
Carl and Ardwolf here, you have to win. You rent

1173
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,000
a gun at a gun store, show them your ID.

1174
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,239
So he had, you know, skated, he'd gotten out of

1175
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:23,039
the you know, the store he'd knocked over, and the police,

1176
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:25,239
you know, kind of putting two and two together, figured like,

1177
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:26,840
oh wait a minute, you know this is what happened.

1178
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,039
We got called about it. You know that this gun

1179
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:30,760
was stolen. The guy with a gun that matched the

1180
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,600
same description robbed a store, right, it really show up,

1181
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,479
get a photocopy of his driver's license and leave and

1182
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,920
apprehensive within fifteen minutes, point being, it was an astonishingly

1183
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,640
stupid crime, right, like really just not our best and brightest.

1184
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,039
So point is you you hear interesting stuff when you

1185
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,920
go to small businesses. But guys, I'm gonna have to run.

1186
01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:55,039
It was great speaking to both of you. Again, deeply

1187
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:59,319
sorry obviously to all my Virginians. Not my idea, but

1188
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:00,520
nonetheless here we are.

1189
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:01,319
Speaker 2: Keep you eyes.

1190
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much. Yeah, yeah, really, keep your head up. Well,

1191
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,319
thanks guys, I appreciate it everyone at home. As Carl said,

1192
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,199
keep your head up,