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<v Speaker 1>I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingana Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron's back. How's it going, Aaron?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on? Happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about We're gonna look at a speech

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<v Speaker 1>by a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just sitting a bird earlier. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the heels of your close out of Hitler's

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy with Thomas, and I'm like, who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>is going to want to listen to me after that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I think you know, if you remember that Gebels

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<v Speaker 1>at this time was still running around with a kpd M.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that he I mean really up until the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he he ran with them for about twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years. Yeah, then you start to you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you when you read some of the stuff that he's

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<v Speaker 1>when you read his speeches or read the stuff some

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff you wrote, you're like, oh, okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense, this makes sense. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, having you on for that, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that you know as much about communism

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<v Speaker 1>as Thomas does, but you know a hell of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more about communism than most people I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm a real comrade, all right, talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of just a little bit about this is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is from January ninth, nineteen twenty eight, to an

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<v Speaker 1>audience of party members at the so called Cultural four

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<v Speaker 1>Politique for Politique, a series of training talks for party

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<v Speaker 1>members in Berlin. It's Gerbel's most extended discussion on the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of propaganda, all the more interesting because of its

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<v Speaker 1>early date. It is worth comparing this speech to one

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<v Speaker 1>he gave seven seven years later to a closed gathering

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<v Speaker 1>of party propagandists at the nineteen thirty five Nuremberg Rally.

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<v Speaker 1>That speech was not published. The text is available, but

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<v Speaker 1>YadA YadA. So yeah, this is I mean, nineteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>This is five years before four is five, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>more than five years before they take power.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so their situation is even more tenuous than it

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<v Speaker 2>was when they took power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, all right, I'm gonna start stop me anytime

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<v Speaker 1>then you know how this works? All right? Knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>Propaganda by Joseph Gerbels. My dear fellow party members. Our

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<v Speaker 1>topic this evening is hotly disputed. I realized that my

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<v Speaker 1>viewpoint is subjective. There is really little point in discussing propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>There is really little point in discussing propaganda. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of practice, not of theory.

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<v Speaker 2>One experiential. You have to experience propaganda in order to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly exactly that there's no there's no theory behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't it doesn't work unless someone experiences it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one cannot determine theoretically whether one propaganda is better than another.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather that propaganda is good that has the desired results,

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<v Speaker 1>and that propaganda is bad that does not lead to

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<v Speaker 1>the desired results. Consequential consequentialism. Yeah, it does not matter

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<v Speaker 1>how clever it is, for the task of propaganda is

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<v Speaker 1>not to be clever. Its task is to lead to success.

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<v Speaker 1>I therefore avoid theoretical discussions about propaganda, for there is

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<v Speaker 1>no point to it. Propaganda shows that it is good

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<v Speaker 1>if over a certain period it can win over and

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<v Speaker 1>fire up the people for an idea. If it fails

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<v Speaker 1>to do so, it's bad propaganda. If propaganda wins the

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<v Speaker 1>people it wanted to win, it was presumably good, and

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<v Speaker 1>if not, it was presumably bad. No one can say

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<v Speaker 1>that you're yeah, well, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can tell that this is before the invention of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hour news cycle, because propaganda today is designed

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<v Speaker 2>to fire you up for about ten minutes. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you click on whatever you need to click on

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<v Speaker 2>to general great revenue, and then you forget about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is the standard for what's good propaganda now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's basically it's just a brush.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>If propaganda wins the people that wanted to win, it

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<v Speaker 1>was presumably good, and if not, it was presumably bad.

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<v Speaker 1>No one can say that your propaganda is too crude

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<v Speaker 1>or too low or brutal, or that it is not

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<v Speaker 1>decent enough for those who are not the relevant criteria.

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<v Speaker 1>Its purpose is not to be decent or gentle, or

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<v Speaker 1>weak or modest. It is to be successful. That is

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<v Speaker 1>why I have intentionally chosen to discuss propaganda along with

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<v Speaker 1>a second theme knowledge. Otherwise our discussion this evening would

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<v Speaker 1>be of little value. We have not gathered to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>lovely theories, but rather find to find ways of practically

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<v Speaker 1>working together to deal with our everyday challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>What is propaganda and what role does it have in

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<v Speaker 1>political life? That is the question of the greatest century

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<v Speaker 1>to us. How should propaganda look and what is the role?

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<v Speaker 1>What is its role in our movement. Is it an

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<v Speaker 1>end in itself or only a means to an end?

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<v Speaker 1>We must discuss that. But we can. But we can

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<v Speaker 1>do that only when we begin with the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda itself, namely the idea, then move to the target

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<v Speaker 1>of propaganda, namely people. Ideas in themselves are timeless. They

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<v Speaker 1>are not tied to individuals, much less to a people.

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<v Speaker 1>They rest in a people. It is true, and affects

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<v Speaker 1>their attitudes. Ideas people say are in the clouds.

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<v Speaker 2>So who does that sound like?

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<v Speaker 1>People say, yeah, you're in the clouds. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Ideas exist independently of the mind. Yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I picked up. When I read that. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, he's a he's platonic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also in Hinduism too, And oh is it yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>outside the mind watching the thinker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing when someone comes along who can put in words

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<v Speaker 1>what everyone feels in their heart, each feels. Yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>is what I always want it in hope for that

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens the first time one Here's one of

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's major speeches. I have met people who have attended

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<v Speaker 1>a Hitler meeting for the first time, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end they said, this man puts into words everything I

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<v Speaker 1>have been searching for for years. Yeah, the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you can, when you can distill and articulate

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<v Speaker 2>what people are, what people feel but are unable to articulate,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the best. It's it's it's it's awesome on

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<v Speaker 2>both ends. Like when somebody says, like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>never knew how to express that like that, that's awesome

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<v Speaker 2>on our end. And when we're reading something or or

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<v Speaker 2>listening to something that distills an idea into just a

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<v Speaker 2>form that's easily digestible, it fires you up. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>a amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Others are lost in confused. Others are lost in confusion,

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<v Speaker 1>but suddenly someone stands up and puts it in words. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard everything from goat to gutsa?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you? How do you pronounce it?

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<v Speaker 2>Goth? I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say gutsa because that's what this is the

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<v Speaker 1>last that's the last way I heard it say. Gutsa's

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<v Speaker 1>words become reality. Lost in silent misery, God gave someone

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<v Speaker 1>to express my self.

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<v Speaker 2>Should ask me how to pronounce any philosopher's name? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the last person you want to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a great line there. Lost in silent misery.

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<v Speaker 1>God gave someone to express my suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some kind of ideas the beginning of every political movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not necessary to put this idea in a

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<v Speaker 2>People somehow manage.

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<v Speaker 1>History proves that the greatest world movements have always developed

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<v Speaker 1>when their leaders knew how to unify their followers under

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<v Speaker 1>a short, clear theme. It's just something I've been saying

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<v Speaker 1>recently with the whole libertarian party thing is really when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to activism, when it comes to ideological activism,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want a party, a political party, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just pure bureaucracy. The best way to do it is

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<v Speaker 1>you pick one narrow topic and you become like a

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<v Speaker 1>lobby group for it, you become a propagandist for it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just go after elected Now you are going

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<v Speaker 1>after elected officials. You don't have to worry about getting elected.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to go after the elected officials. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>way National Association for Gun Rights basically got constitutional carry

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<v Speaker 1>and half the states in this country tree is by

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<v Speaker 1>going to politicians and saying we're going to run this person.

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<v Speaker 1>We have this person who's going to run against you

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<v Speaker 1>in a primary. Yeah, if you don't you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't promise this, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that. I the Libertarian Party has somehow sunk to

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<v Speaker 2>new depths. I didn't know we're imaginable, but I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean I said it was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just you know, managerialism takes over. So yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that is clear from the French Revolution or Cromwell's movement,

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<v Speaker 1>or Buddhism, Islamer Christianity. Christ's goal was clear and simple,

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<v Speaker 1>love your neighbor as yourself. He gathered his followers behind

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<v Speaker 1>that straightforward statement because this teaching was simple, crisp, clear

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<v Speaker 1>and understandable, enabling the broad masses to stand behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, conquered the world. One then builds a

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<v Speaker 1>whole system of thought on so a brief, crisply formulated idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea does not remain limited to this single statement. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>it is applied to every aspect of daily life and

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<v Speaker 1>every area of human behavior. It becomes a worldview. We

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<v Speaker 1>see that we see that in all great revolutionary movements,

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<v Speaker 1>which begin with a clear, crisp, understandable, all encompassing idea,

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<v Speaker 1>they spread more and more and become a mirror of

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<v Speaker 1>in a particular way.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there's a German word for ideology that

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<v Speaker 2>seems more like what he's describing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's describing a culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Then one can say that a person has a

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<v Speaker 1>worldview not because he knows a lot or has read

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but because he sees all of life from

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Christian when I believe that the meaning of

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<v Speaker 1>life is the heavy responsibility to love my neighbor as myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Kanton once said, act as if the principle of your

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<v Speaker 1>life could be the principle for your entire nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the categorical imperative?

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<v Speaker 1>Act as if the principle for your life could be

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<v Speaker 1>the principle for your entire nation? Yeah, huh, Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look what he mentions in the next sentence. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a national socialist, not when I want this

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<v Speaker 1>or that from this or that, from politics, Rather, when

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<v Speaker 1>I consider all aspects of daily life, I must act

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<v Speaker 1>in all things by putting the good of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>above my personal good, by putting the good of the

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<v Speaker 1>state above my personal good. But then I also have

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<v Speaker 1>the guarantee that such a state will be able to

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<v Speaker 1>protect my personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such an important caveat, And that's why I's

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be very difficult for us people on

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<v Speaker 2>our side to put their trust in any type of

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<v Speaker 2>person or movement or or idea that turns into a

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<v Speaker 2>worldview that that ends up you know, that could potentially

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<v Speaker 2>end up getting power. Is it takes a very long

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<v Speaker 2>time or a very desperate population to place that trust

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Time. You can talk to any number of people,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a national socialist when I see everything in politics,

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<v Speaker 1>can benefit, support and strengthen me. I do not see

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<v Speaker 1>the economy as some sort of way of making money. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>socialist terms. Does that sound like socialism to you, as

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<v Speaker 2>No, the antithesis that is the antithesis of anarcho capitalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If I deliver this crisp clear idea into a

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<v Speaker 1>in actions, I have a worldview. As an idea develops

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<v Speaker 1>into a worldview, the goal is the state. Knowledge does

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<v Speaker 1>for power. It is not just the fantasy of a

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<v Speaker 1>few people among a few people among the people. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes the idea of the rulers, the circles that

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<v Speaker 2>I recall a long time ago when we were reading

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<v Speaker 2>practice practice, practice, And you know, at the time, we

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of moving away from libertarianism because of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the same thing with this national socialism. It

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<v Speaker 2>places emphasis on praxis, like practical application of your of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. Then the idea becomes the worldview of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>The worldview has become a government organism when it seizes

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<v Speaker 1>in practical everyday life. Now we must consider who is

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<v Speaker 1>the carrier, the transmitter, the guardian of such ideas a

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<v Speaker 1>great man. An idea always lives in individuals. It seeks

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<v Speaker 1>an individuals to transmit its great intellectual force. It becomes

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<v Speaker 1>The idea is preached by individuals, individuals who will never

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<v Speaker 1>be satisfied to have the knowledge remain. There's a loan.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a very well constructed paragraph and

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<v Speaker 2>figured that's why he's the Minister of propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the great thing about

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, he practices what he preaches.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that from experience. When one knows something, one

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<v Speaker 1>rather one seeks to tell others. One looks for people

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<v Speaker 1>who should know it. One feels that everyone else should

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<v Speaker 1>know as well, for one feels alone when no one

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<v Speaker 1>else knows. For example, if I see a beautiful paint

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<v Speaker 1>again at our gallery, I have the needs to tell others.

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<v Speaker 1>I meet a good friend and say to him I

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<v Speaker 1>found a wonderful picture. I have to show it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>The same is true of ideas. If an idea lives

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<v Speaker 1>in an individual, he has the urge to tell others.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some mysterious force in us that drives us

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<v Speaker 1>to tell others. The greater and simpler the idea, the

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<v Speaker 1>more it relates to daily life, the more one has

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<v Speaker 1>the desire to tell everyone about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a testament to, you know, the the system

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<v Speaker 2>we live under, that we hesitate to tell people about

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<v Speaker 2>these great ideas in real life. I mean, I I

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<v Speaker 2>see great ideas on my timeline every single day, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell people, but I usually just stop

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<v Speaker 2>at my wife and see how see what she thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, if if if I go, if

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<v Speaker 2>I go to bed, nothing happens that I know it

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's a testament to the counter propaganda machinery

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<v Speaker 2>that we live under, that we we naturally hesitate two

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<v Speaker 2>to promulgate these good ideas almost like they know what

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we we have.

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<v Speaker 2>To say it in hush tones and quiet, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>amongst people we trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And then if it gets to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>it's so dangerous to say certain things, then everyone's a

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<v Speaker 1>fed and you don't want to talk to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, as awesome as the Internet is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the next big thing is going to

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<v Speaker 2>spread via word of mouth and probably semi hermetic circles

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<v Speaker 2>because it has to, because nobody wants to get arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>If I believe that the nation must be governed by

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<v Speaker 1>the principle that the common good comes before the individual good,

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell it to those to whom it applies.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I realize that this principle is not

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<v Speaker 1>only of a transcendental transcendental nature, but that it applies

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<v Speaker 1>to daily life, I have the need to tell it

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<v Speaker 1>to those in the economic world. And if I see

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<v Speaker 1>it applies to culture as well, I have needs to

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<v Speaker 1>tell it to those involved in cultural activities. The great

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<v Speaker 1>masses will never be won simply by such a sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>It must cast its shadow over all areas of human life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Grams, she was Grams, she was the one who

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It has to march through institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. You see how an idea spreads and becomes a worldview,

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<v Speaker 1>and how the bearer of the individual reaches out to

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<v Speaker 1>form a community, and how an organization, then a movement

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<v Speaker 1>grows from the individual. The idea is no longer buried

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<v Speaker 1>in the heart and mind of an individual. Now there

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<v Speaker 1>are four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, eighty, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ever more. That is a secret of ideas. They

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<v Speaker 1>are like a wildfire that cannot be restrained. They are

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<v Speaker 1>like a gas that sees through everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that sentence. It was like, this is too easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where an idea finds entry, it enters, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>that person is influencing others. The others cannot stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>They may believe they can stop the fire by force.

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<v Speaker 1>They may even be able to do so for two

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<v Speaker 1>or ten, twenty or fifty years, but this is not

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<v Speaker 1>significant in the larger course of world's history. It is

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<v Speaker 1>irrelevant if something happens today or tomorrow or even years

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<v Speaker 1>in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a very transcendental view.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the you know, and the thing is is that

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<v Speaker 1>you can have the greatest idea in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell it to a bunch of people, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, two thousand people can hold on to it

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<v Speaker 1>and love it and want to talk about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not willing to put it into motion, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're not willing to you know, get the ball rolling

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<v Speaker 1>on it and implement it. It's use. That's when it's

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<v Speaker 1>just theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>It is possible to slow an idea by force for

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<v Speaker 1>a certain period of time. In reality, however, that advances

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<v Speaker 1>the idea for forces to drive out that which is weak.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good. That's really good. Yeah. Now, when everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>like what you believe, you know, hardly anybody believes that

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<v Speaker 1>The elements that do not really belong collapse. Suddenly, the

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<v Speaker 1>individual becomes a community, a movement, and if you prefer

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<v Speaker 1>a party, each movement begins as a party. That does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean it has to follow the methods of parliamentary parties.

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<v Speaker 1>We see a party as a part of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>As an idea spreads, becoming a worldview that spreads to

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<v Speaker 1>the community. The community will once to give the idea

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<v Speaker 1>practical form. The party will feel the necessities organize. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>will suddenly have the idea. You think the way I

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<v Speaker 1>do a way I think. You are working over there,

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<v Speaker 1>I am working here. We know nothing of each other.

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<v Speaker 1>That is absurd. It would be better if we work together,

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<v Speaker 1>If I did my part and you did yours. Would

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<v Speaker 1>That is an organization. Gradually, a strong organism develops a

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<v Speaker 1>does not want that will indeed continue to preach its ideals,

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<v Speaker 1>but will never bring them into reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, it's it's extremely hard to start that process now,

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<v Speaker 2>because anything outside of you, if you want to call

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<v Speaker 2>it the Overton window, never gets beyond what step.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, never gets beyond not being buried in the heart

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<v Speaker 2>and mind of an individual or you may you may

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a four eighty one hundred. Yeah, it may it

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<v Speaker 2>up to one hundred. But and I'm talking in real life,

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<v Speaker 2>not not x not social media. That's a whole different

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<v Speaker 2>story that that has its own endpoint that never materializes.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's yeah, it's I'm telling you, like, the next

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<v Speaker 2>big thing is going to be something you hear in

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it may have already happened. A recent example may help.

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<v Speaker 1>Our movement is often accused of losing its character as

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<v Speaker 1>a movement. Oh have you ever heard that that if

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<v Speaker 1>you you know change, if you're change a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you've you don't understand it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not a real national socialist.

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<v Speaker 1>You've lost a plot. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't hack it.

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<v Speaker 1>What we are accused of taking the vast, broad and

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<v Speaker 1>ever moving system of thought of Vulcansh movement and forcing

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<v Speaker 1>it into a proto pro Chrustian bed.

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<v Speaker 2>So procrustian bed. I look that up, and it's basically

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<v Speaker 2>a like an arbitrary like forcing something to be arbitrarily different.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all it is. Okay, The emphasis is on the

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<v Speaker 2>arbitrariness of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you mean, like they try to say post libertarianism

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<v Speaker 1>legs of the movement that stuck out, eliminating important parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the Volcansh idea. Vulkansh idea. National socialism is only

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<v Speaker 1>a surrogate for the real movement. Some say, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the Volcansh movement ran a ground on this matter. Each

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<v Speaker 1>That is the way the Volcish movement was before the war.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone had been able to take this great idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Volkish idea was greater than the Marxist idea

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<v Speaker 1>then the Volcush idea, not the Marxist idea, would have

427
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<v Speaker 1>won on nine November nineteen eighteen. Marxism won because it

428
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<v Speaker 1>had a better understanding of political conditions, because it had

429
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<v Speaker 1>forged the sword it would later use to conquer the state.

430
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<v Speaker 1>If a Volcansh organizer had understood how to form a

431
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<v Speaker 1>great movement, it is a question of life or death

432
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<v Speaker 1>for a nation. The Volkish idea, not Marxism, would have won.

433
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<v Speaker 1>It was a worldview, but it did not understand how

434
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<v Speaker 1>to form a party and how to forge a sharp

435
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<v Speaker 1>sword that would have enabled it to conquer the state.

436
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<v Speaker 2>So is he drawing a distinction? I didn't get this.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Is he drawing a distinction between national socialism and uh like,

438
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<v Speaker 2>the Vulcan movement?

439
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, because the volk movement. Yeah, because people

440
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<v Speaker 1>who are adherent to the Volcan movement argue that National

441
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Socialists was just a was basically a bastardization. You know,

442
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand, you don't understand what you're doing, you

443
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>don't understand who we are kind of Yeah, but you know,

444
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<v Speaker 1>he points he points out that at the end of

445
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<v Speaker 1>the war. I'm reading this this book on my show

446
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Blockade right now, and it's about Vienna at the end

447
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of the during the war and at the end of

448
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<v Speaker 1>World War One, and immediately in Vienna, social the when

449
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<v Speaker 1>the troops come back, when the kids come back, when

450
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<v Speaker 1>the men come back, socialism has taken hold. So I

451
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.759
<v Speaker 1>mean they're bringing back socialism with them, They're bringing back

452
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<v Speaker 1>Bolshevism with them. Why Why because it was the only

453
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<v Speaker 1>at that point, It's really the one the one thing

454
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<v Speaker 1>that is pushing back against the what they would call

455
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the war profiteers and people like that.

456
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that makes sense because I mean the right

457
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>wing coalition in Germany post World War immediately post World

458
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 2>War One was like a coalition that included democratic socialists

459
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and communists, right m and these and Volcanish of the

460
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Vulk movement.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, for a second, I

462
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<v Speaker 1>mean they actually talk about like these whole she talks

463
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<v Speaker 1>about that. Well, I think her daughter went and visited

464
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>a relative in Lenz in Austria, and this is in

465
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 1>like nineteen eighteen, late nineteen eighteen, and there are roving,

466
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>roving hordes going through the town and just taking everything,

467
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 1>destroying everything. And she just offhandedly mentions and they, I

468
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know why, but they look Russian.

469
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

470
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Well there's a reason. There's a reason why they looked

471
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Russian because they were pouring over the border to take

472
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 1>a country, to take a country that was in tatters.

473
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

474
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the state needs a worldview. Christianity also conquered the state,

475
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and in the movement and in the moment that it

476
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 1>conquered the state, it began to carry out practical political activity.

477
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>You can with justice claim yes, But at the moment

478
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Christianity took over the state, it began to cease to

479
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>begin being Christian. That is the tragedy of all great ideas.

480
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.279
<v Speaker 1>At the moment they enter the realm of this life

481
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>of sin, of the all too human, they leave the

482
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>heavens and lose to romantic magic.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

484
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like James Burnham. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just

485
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Burnham talking about how when when ideology is introduced to reality,

486
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.759
<v Speaker 1>it just it gets punched in the mouth.

487
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I I I don't know if I agree

488
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>with that. I don't know that you can with justice

489
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>claim yes, but at the moment Christianity took over the

490
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>state of cease being Christian.

491
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I mean, it's it just

492
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 1>it depends.

493
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>It might have it might have changed changed his nature

494
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and it has to Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

495
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess something.

496
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the dogmacies, Yeah right, okay, it becomes something normal.

497
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 1>We are not discussing whether or not one can change

498
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 1>the nature of life. Things have gone on this way

499
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 1>for millions of years, and we'll go on in the

500
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 1>same way from it millions more. You will have to

501
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>ask a higher power why that is so. At the

502
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>moment an idea takes practical form, it loses its angels wings.

503
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It's romantic mystery. If someone had had the courage to

504
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 1>strip the Volcanish idea of its romantic mystery, if one

505
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>had taken account of the hard facts, it would not

506
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.559
<v Speaker 1>look as romantic today as it does to some dreamers,

507
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>but it would have kept millions of German children from starving.

508
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>For me, it is more yeah, yeah, well, you know

509
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what I learned from that, that diary blockade,

510
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the the Save the Children Foundation that was started to

511
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 1>feed German and Austrian kids after World War One. Huh yeah,

512
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. For me, it is important that a nation lives,

513
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.279
<v Speaker 1>that a nation live. For me, it is it's more

514
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>important that a nation lives than that an idea remains

515
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>as pure as possible in the heads of a few dreamers.

516
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Very practical.

517
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can see that a movement needs an organization

518
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if it is to conquer the state, and it must

519
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>conquer the state if it wants to do something of

520
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 1>positive and historic significance. I have often met the kind

521
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 1>of wandering apostle who says, well, everything you are doing

522
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>is fine, but you rely, you really, but you rely

523
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>must also you really must also take a stand against

524
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>foreign words in the German language. And another comes along

525
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>who says, well, everything you say is good, but you

526
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>must have a point in your program that says allopathy

527
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>is dangerous and you must support homeopathy. If the movement

528
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>were led by such apostles, the jew would end up

529
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>in charge. Do we want to talk about the United States?

530
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Now? So?

531
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about the early twentieth centre United States? Now?

532
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>So I've actually been thinking a little harder about this

533
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 2>and talking to some people, and uh, I think, yes

534
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>there is. I I don't think it's just Judaism. That's

535
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, pernicious influence and all that. But what let

536
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 2>me throw this at you and we could talk about

537
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it whenever. But uh, what about the pernicious influence of gnosticism?

538
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh where did that come from?

539
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>So just looking into the uh, you know.

540
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>The modern birth of it?

541
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the modern birth, Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's the

542
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.599
<v Speaker 2>usual suspects. And if you go back in time, it's

543
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>it's them as well. After the you know, in the

544
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>in the second to fourth century, you know, in the.

545
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Most Christians would have been of Jewish Jewish descent.

546
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, to be fair, Yeah, but the the the

547
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>syncretism between Judaism and narcissism, and you know how that

548
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 2>influenced the Talmud, how that influenced a couple of other

549
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>their other books, and and it's just an idea that

550
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 2>came into my head. I wonder how how that syncretism

551
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>is playing out now.

552
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, the the whole idea of gnosticism. I

553
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 1>mean you could just peel the skin off of it

554
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and you can see progressivism.

555
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, yeah, yep. And you know it's it's influence

556
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>in academia, it's influence in Hollywood, you know, not to

557
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>not to really put my tinfoil hat on. But that's

558
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>just something that I was noticing.

559
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Kay, you're noticing huh.

560
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like putting another yea, putting another another hat on.

561
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. The jew would find something new every day

562
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 1>until nothing was left. It is not the task of

563
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a revolutionary fighting movement to settle the dispute between allopathy

564
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and homeopathy. Rather, its task is to take power. Yeah,

565
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, if you're looking at alopathy, homeopathy, these are

566
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>basically cultural things, way of life. Basically, I mean you

567
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>could call them ideologies. People build whole ideologies around them.

568
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>You see people who are really into allopathy or homeopathy

569
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 1>or really homeopathy, who have a tendency to be of

570
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a certain the stereotype is of a certain group, you know,

571
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the certain kind of person. And yeah, I mean that

572
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.079
<v Speaker 1>you can call that an ideology. And when it comes

573
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>to taking power, you know, these these things really need

574
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to be really need to be put aside, because is

575
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that argument right there between allopathy and homeopathy? Is that important?

576
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>When you're trying to take over a state, when you're

577
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to put together, when you're trying to you know, basically,

578
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 1>have create national socialists, create national socialism.

579
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Doing the math five years later, I think they mostly

580
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>proved that homeopathy works.

581
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>At least, the movement must have a program such that

582
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 1>every honest fighter can stand behind it. Now, it is

583
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 1>certainly true that the modern German cultural establishment produces every

584
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>manner of nonsense. I know that this nonsense is poisoning

585
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 1>the German national soul. There are those who say something

586
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>has to happen. You have to do something. If you

587
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 1>want to fight the movie industry, you must build your

588
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>own theater, even if it's even if at first it

589
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>has the most primitive equipment. And if you see that

590
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the children are being poisoned by what they read in school,

591
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you must begin to win children's souls and give them

592
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the ansidote. My reply is simple. You can spend ten

593
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>years giving the ansidote to the poison that is produced

594
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 1>by a badly led cultural establishment, but a single degree

595
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 1>from a ministry of culture can destroy all your work.

596
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 1>If you had spent the ten years winning fighters for

597
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the movement, the movement would have conquered the ministry of culture.

598
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Everything else is mere piece work. That's certainly a paragraph

599
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>right there.

600
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I ministry is culture.

601
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Poisoning German national soul. Something has to happen. You have

602
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to do something. If you don't like Amazon, build your

603
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 1>own Amazon even got some libertarian yeah, through some libertarianism

604
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 1>in here. Yeah, it's like I said, with homeschooling, I

605
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>absolutely suggest that people homeschool their kids right now. But

606
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.679
<v Speaker 1>if only five percent of the population is homeschooling, that

607
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>means ninety five percent of the kids twenty years from

608
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>now are just going to be progressive psychopaths.

609
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, with a single decree, I mean, with a

610
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.639
<v Speaker 2>single decree, we would lose ninety nine percent of our progress.

611
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 2>If they just simply you know, enforced KYC on X,

612
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, that would be a that would crush.

613
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

614
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>So like again, it goes back to you. You need

615
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>to do things in real life too.

616
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>But then you can make you can make the argument

617
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>that if everybody is public, I mean, can they come

618
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>after everybody?

619
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, who knows, that's a Pandora's box. I don't

620
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 2>know if I want to find out. Yeah, they could

621
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 2>certainly come after us one by one.

622
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they could, but I mean they don't even have

623
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the money and the funding to do that.

624
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

625
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>If a movement wins political power, it can do the

626
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>those positive things it wants to do. Only then does

627
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 1>it have the power to protect its accomplishments. At the

628
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 1>moment a movement or party wins control of the state,

629
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>its worldview becomes the state, and its party becomes the nation.

630
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>The nation is not the sixty million people who live

631
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in it. That is a confused mixture. One says yay,

632
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 1>the other says nay. That is not a nation. A

633
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 1>nation is characterized by consciousness. Instinct alone is not enough.

634
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Only when I am aware that I am a member

635
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of the nation, when I am consciously a German, do

636
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I belong to the German people. The Great Elector did

637
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<v Speaker 1>not say, think and remember that you are German. Rather,

638
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<v Speaker 1>he said, consider well that you are German. Consideration is

639
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<v Speaker 1>at the level of consciousness. Such consciousness belongs to the

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<v Speaker 1>entire nation. Adolf Hitler rightly answered the Court and Munich

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<v Speaker 1>in this way when he was asked, how could you

642
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<v Speaker 1>think of establishing a dictatorship over sixty million with such

643
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<v Speaker 1>a tiny minority? His reply. If an entire people vulk

644
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<v Speaker 1>had has become cowardly, and there are only a thousand

645
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<v Speaker 1>left who want something great and who have and who

646
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<v Speaker 1>have to and who have the power to transform the state,

647
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<v Speaker 1>then those thousand are the people. If the others let

648
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<v Speaker 1>a minority conquer the state, then they must also accept

649
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we will establish a dictatorship.

650
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<v Speaker 2>Powerful, prescient.

651
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same is true of a movement. If a

652
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<v Speaker 1>movement has the strength to take over the state, then

653
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<v Speaker 1>it has the power to transform the state. I am

654
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<v Speaker 1>the last to complain that the Marxists rule us today.

655
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<v Speaker 1>As long as we do not have the strength to

656
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<v Speaker 1>overcome them, they have the political rights to rule us.

657
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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's so good. He is so good. Oh man, Oh,

658
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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's true, and it's meant to piss you

659
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<v Speaker 1>off the same time. Oh, it's so good. As long

660
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<v Speaker 1>as we do not have the strength to overcome them,

661
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<v Speaker 1>they have the political rights to rule us. I am

662
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<v Speaker 1>surprised how little they use that right. I would do

663
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<v Speaker 1>things differently. That is their tragic misunderstanding of their own worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not complain that the gentlemen of the Berlin

665
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<v Speaker 1>police use their power against us, only that they call

666
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<v Speaker 1>themselves democrats and claim that they allow freedom of thought

667
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<v Speaker 1>and of speech. That is nonsense, that is lying, hypocrisy,

668
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<v Speaker 1>For in truth, these gentlemen are dictators. If a movement

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<v Speaker 1>has a strength to take over government positions of power,

670
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<v Speaker 1>then it has the right to form the government as

671
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<v Speaker 1>it wishes. Anyone who disagrees as a foolish theoretician. Politics

672
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 1>is governed not by moral principles, but by power. If

673
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<v Speaker 1>a movement conquers a state, it has the right to

674
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<v Speaker 1>form the state. You can see how these three elements

675
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<v Speaker 1>combine ideals and personalities. The idea leads to a worldview,

676
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<v Speaker 1>the worldviews of the state. Individual becomes a party, The

677
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>party becomes the nation. Have you noticed he repeats certain

678
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<v Speaker 1>sentences over.

679
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, yeah, a little practical application.

680
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<v Speaker 1>The important thing is not to find people who agree

681
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<v Speaker 1>with me but every theoretical by with every agree with

682
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<v Speaker 1>me about every theoretical John's hittle. But rather that I

683
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<v Speaker 1>find people who are willing to fight with me for

684
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<v Speaker 1>a worldview, winning people over to something that I have

685
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>recognized as right. That is what we call propaganda. At first,

686
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 1>there is knowledge. It uses propaganda to find the manpower

687
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>that will transform knowledge into politics. Propaganda stands between the

688
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>idea and the worldview, between the worldview and the state,

689
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<v Speaker 1>between the individual and the party, between the party and

690
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<v Speaker 1>the nation. That's so good he explains it. I mean,

691
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<v Speaker 1>he explains it that I've read brene Is extensively, and

692
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he explains it so much better than Brenes because Brenees

693
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<v Speaker 1>is always hiding.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, nope, this is pretty pretty clear cut, like, yeah,

695
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<v Speaker 2>whatever your revolutionary process is, propaganda is in between all

696
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of the steps in those processes. Makes sense to me.

697
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<v Speaker 1>At the moment at which I recognize something as important

698
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<v Speaker 1>and begin speaking about it in the street car, I

699
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>begin making propaganda at the same time I begin looking

700
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<v Speaker 1>for other people to join me. Propaganda stands between the

701
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.880
<v Speaker 1>one and the many, between the idea and the worldview. There,

702
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 1>he is repeating himself again. Propaganda is nothing other than

703
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<v Speaker 1>the forerunner to organization. Once it has done this, it

704
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>is the forerunner to state control. It is always a

705
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<v Speaker 1>means to an end.

706
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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, he asked the question earlier. Is propaganda a

707
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>means or is it an end? And answers it here.

708
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<v Speaker 1>Although I must hold unshakably and unalterably of the idea

709
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 1>propaganda adjusts itself to the prevailing conditions.

710
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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you again, Yeah, do you think our

711
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>our current rulers view propaganda as a means or an.

712
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 1>End at this point? I think it's an end.

713
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's yeah.

714
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<v Speaker 1>There, it's too it's too clumsy.

715
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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

716
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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing. There's rarely anything manipulative about it. It's more

717
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like we know that there's a certain group that when

718
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>we say this, they're going to believe it no matter what,

719
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and all we care about is that group.

720
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the constant positive reinforcement that you are on the

721
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 2>right side of history, that you are, that you are

722
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>a good person, that you are normal, that what you're

723
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 2>doing is acceptable. I think that that's that's fuel for

724
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>people to go throughout life. Now, I think if you

725
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 2>took that away from a large portion of the population,

726
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>they would go insane. If you cut off their serotonin drip,

727
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 2>which is delivered via propaganda, they would literally go insane.

728
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.159
<v Speaker 2>They would fall into a depression.

729
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are people on I mean that that is

730
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<v Speaker 1>what ex Twitter is or whatever they're calling it now is.

731
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is is literally somebody's probably the serotonin drip.

732
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just waiting. It is the and I I

733
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 2>think if if Garbels wasn't German, he could articulate it

734
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 2>this way. But the the constant affirmation, like that's that's

735
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 2>the serotonin drip, just just chasing after affirmation, and in

736
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 2>particular that's you know, the the e thoughts and just

737
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<v Speaker 2>I guess women in general are more susceptible to that

738
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<v Speaker 2>in my experience, but also I guess young men as well.

739
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Although I must hold on shakably and unalterably to the idea,

740
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.559
<v Speaker 1>propaganda adjust itself to the prevailing conditions. Propaganda is always flexible.

741
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>It says different things here than it does there. It

742
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 1>cannot be polished, laminated, and stuffed. Rather, it must occupy

743
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the space between the one and the many good sentence there.

744
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<v Speaker 1>I talk differently on the streetcar with the conductor than

745
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I do with a businessman. If I did not, the

746
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 1>businessman would think I was crazy, and the streetcar conductor

747
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>would not understand me. I remember, I forget who said

748
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 1>it that whatever Ron Paul, if Ron Paul spoke to

749
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>like college kids, or he spoke to like a group

750
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>of Muslims, he always like delivered the same message.

751
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Would that be to his fault or was he just

752
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>that good?

753
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I mean, well, I don't know. I mean, I

754
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 1>love Ron Paul, but really what did he change? I mean,

755
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess there are some things he changed. I guess

756
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>you would say that he paved the way for Trump.

757
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that would be. That's how I

758
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>would characterize his accomplishments too. Is he definitely planted a

759
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 2>dissonance seed that didn't really grow until Trump, and then

760
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it grew exponentially.

761
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very fast, very fast. If I did not, the

762
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>businessman would think I was crazy. In the street car

763
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>conductor would not understand me. That means propaganda cannot be limited.

764
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.719
<v Speaker 1>It changes according to whom I am trying to reach.

765
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you a story about a party member

766
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>in Berlin who since nineteen nineteen has promoted the national

767
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Socialist idea. At first, he beat his head bloody against

768
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a wall which he wants to avoid. He began by

769
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>distributing the wildest anti Semitic publications on the street. He

770
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>knew it was bad stuff, but there was nothing better,

771
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>so he read Book is Me. He knew it was

772
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 1>bad stuff, but there was nothing better. So he read

773
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>these books or newspapers in the subway. Everyone could see

774
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that he was a harmless crank, And when he stood

775
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>up and left his newspapers behind, someone regularly would say, sir,

776
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>take your newspaper along with you. He would angrily take

777
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>his paper and leave it with a conductor, saying here

778
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 1>German brother, and the conductor certainly thought he came from

779
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the nuthouse.

780
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Many such cases.

781
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you hear that somebody walked up to Dave Smith

782
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>at the Libertarian National Convention in a thong? A guy

783
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>walked up in a thong and wanted to debate him

784
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 1>on borders.

785
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I again, I believe that wholeheartedly. I mean.

786
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<v Speaker 1>Put it this way. If somebody walks up to you,

787
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 1>a guy walks up to you in a thong, you,

788
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't care who you are, You immediately believe in borders.

789
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you believe there.

790
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Should be a border between you and that person. I

791
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>don't care who you are.

792
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Vigorously enforced.

793
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>He gradually realized that the methods that worked with friends

794
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and comrades did not work with strangers. In other words,

795
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 1>there is no abc a propaganda. One can make propaganda

796
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>or one cannot. Propaganda is an art. Any reasonably normal

797
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>person can learn to play the violins with a certain degree.

798
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>But then his teacher will say, this is as far

799
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<v Speaker 1>as it goes. Only a genius can learn what remains.

800
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<v Speaker 1>You are not a genius, so be content with what

801
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you have learned. Yes, I can, certainly.

802
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody has a maximum potential, especially in the time

803
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that we're in right now. Recognizing that when somebody has

804
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 2>met their maximum potential and maybe doesn't have a whole

805
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.199
<v Speaker 2>lot to offer anymore, that's part and parcel.

806
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I can certainly teach any reasonable person the absolute basis

807
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 1>of propaganda, but I will soon recognize the limits. One

808
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.440
<v Speaker 1>is either a propagandist or one is not. It is

809
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong to look down on a propagandas. There are people

810
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>who say a propagandas is merely a good drummer, displays

811
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 1>a certain envy and lack of ability. They are mostly

812
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>mediocre philosophers whom the masses ignore. You have seen often enough.

813
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<v Speaker 1>No one can deny it that our movement has good speakers.

814
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<v Speaker 1>Since our opponents do not have good speakers, they say, well,

815
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they are only good drummers. Hitler was called the drummer

816
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 1>of National Unity for five years. When they realized that

817
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 1>this drummer had ideas that didn't fit into their way

818
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of thinking. He was suddenly a crazy politician who had

819
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 1>to be dealt with. It is foolish to look down

820
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>on propagandists. The propagandist has a certain role within the party.

821
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<v Speaker 1>It is good for our young movement that we are

822
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<v Speaker 1>young and lacking in really great leaders, though naturally not

823
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<v Speaker 1>in comparison to other parties. The great leaders we have

824
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>cannot stick to a particular area, but must be able

825
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<v Speaker 1>to do everything. They must be propagandists, organizers, speakers, writers, etc.

826
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<v Speaker 1>They must be at organ They must be able to

827
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<v Speaker 1>get along with the people, find money, write articles, and

828
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<v Speaker 1>a lot more. That is why it is wrong to

829
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<v Speaker 1>say that Hitler is merely a drummer. That is what

830
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<v Speaker 1>is great about him and what separates him from everyone else.

831
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<v Speaker 1>He is a politician and also a propagandist. While the

832
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<v Speaker 1>leaders of other parties understand neither politics nor propaganda. You

833
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 1>can see how propaganda relates to the worldview and to

834
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<v Speaker 1>the organization. After we have finished the hard work of

835
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<v Speaker 1>moving the idea and the worldview from the individuals to

836
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<v Speaker 1>the masses. Propaganda has the task of taking the knowledge

837
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<v Speaker 1>of the mass and enabling it to take over the state.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I read this, my first thought was, we

839
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<v Speaker 2>have the opposite problem. Now, even the lowliest freshman senator

840
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<v Speaker 2>has a an overabundance of knowledge of propaganda. And it's

841
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<v Speaker 2>to the point now where if you're above a certain

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<v Speaker 2>i Q, it just nothing resonates, which is a good

843
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<v Speaker 2>and bad I guess.

844
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think one of the another problem we have

845
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<v Speaker 1>is that we have a lot of propagandasts out there,

846
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and but.

847
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a whole lot of jacks of all trades.

848
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the Brene said that you know, you you

849
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted the the best is educated just enough so that

850
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 1>they could understand propaganda. That's one of the that's that's

851
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the problem we're at right now, is that we have

852
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a populace that is educated just enough to understand propaganda.

853
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>And one thing that the enemy it has done well

854
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 1>is and I think this is done on purpose, and

855
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>some of them are absolute agents, is they put out

856
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote right wing propaganda, propagandists who have very who

857
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 1>have big plays. Yeah, but they're also gatekeeper. But they're gatekeepers.

858
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>They're they're meant to not make you notice, or they're

859
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>made to not make you go too far to the right.

860
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I've been talking a lot about that on

861
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 2>my feed. I am just so disgusted with the last

862
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks and even with the last couple months,

863
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>because it's you know, I I don't want to say

864
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.519
<v Speaker 2>that our movement should be fractured, but there's definitely some

865
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 2>some house cleaning that needs to be done. And yeah,

866
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody needs to be hyper aware of when they're being

867
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>gas lit.

868
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Let me give an example. What good would it

869
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>do if everything we know to be right stayed in

870
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.719
<v Speaker 1>our few heads? If you would doubt the rightness of

871
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea since they would see that no one was

872
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>joining them. And if we do not have the people

873
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 1>from the lowliest essay man who distributes newspapers to the

874
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>best speaker or the leader of the party, all of

875
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.760
<v Speaker 1>our lovely knowledge would be useless, for only we would

876
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 1>know it, the others would continue their nonsense, and the

877
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 1>German people in the end would perish. And what does

878
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 1>this sound like? Propaganda is absolutely necessary, even if it

879
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 1>is only a means to an end. Otherwise the idea

880
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>could never take over the state. I must be able

881
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to get what I think important across to many people.

882
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>The task of a gifted propagandist is to take that

883
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>which many have thought and put it in a way

884
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that reaches everyone, from the educated to the common man.

885
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:43.119
<v Speaker 1>You will all grant me.

886
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 2>This, so and you know, to apply that to you know,

887
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>anything in this country. I think the perfect propagandists would

888
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.199
<v Speaker 2>have to be personable and social, and that is an

889
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>increasing rarity nowadays, you know, able to carry a conversation

890
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.360
<v Speaker 2>in real life, able to make whoever they're propagandaze and comfortable,

891
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like we're having a casual conversation, but

892
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm planting seeds in your head, you know what I mean.

893
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's an art that's becoming rarer and rare,

894
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe maybe we'll be the last generation that

895
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, still has a an aptitude for it, you know,

896
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 2>as as as the younger kids get alienated more and more.

897
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.639
<v Speaker 2>That's it's almost by design.

898
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 1>You will all grant me this. And as further evidence,

899
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I can recall a Hitler speech in Jenna. Half the

900
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>audience was or Marxists, half students and university professors. I

901
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>had a burning desire to speak with both elements. Afterwards,

902
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I could see that the university professor and the average

903
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>man had understood what Hitler said. That is the greatness

904
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 1>of our movement that it can use language to reach

905
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the broad masses. Of course, the style will vary according

906
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>to the speaker. It would be a big mistake to

907
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>expect everyone to treat the idea in the same way.

908
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 1>For as great as it is, so different are the

909
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>individuals who are to be reached by it. You will

910
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.239
<v Speaker 1>surely hear some people say that they like one speaker

911
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.360
<v Speaker 1>while others prefer another. It would be a mistake to

912
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 1>try to make the soft spoken speaker into a thundering orator,

913
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 1>or a thundering orator into a soft spoken chap Neither

914
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.199
<v Speaker 1>would accomplish anything. The soft spoken speaker would never reach

915
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the heart no matter how hard he tried, nor would

916
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the thundering orator succeed in speaking quietly. Everyone would go

917
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.360
<v Speaker 1>home dissatisfied. The bigger our movement gets, the more kinds

918
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 1>of people it can house, and each will reflect the

919
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.159
<v Speaker 1>movement a little differently. No two things in God's world

920
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 1>are alike. Everything is a little different. Thus one person

921
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 1>reflects things differently than another.

922
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.239
<v Speaker 2>That's that max potential thing coming up Again.

923
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>As propaganda draws an ever growing following to the idea,

924
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:10.199
<v Speaker 1>the idea broadens because it becomes more flexible. It no

925
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 1>longer stays in a few heads, but wants to include everything.

926
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Speaker 1>At that moment, it becomes a comprehensive program. We can

927
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 1>happily see that that in the case in our movement,

928
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you will never find millions of people willing to die

929
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 1>for a book, But millions of people are willing to

930
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>die for a gospel. And our movement is becoming more

931
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and more a gospel. All that we have comes to know,

932
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>all that we have come to know in our individual

933
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 1>lives is joining to form a great faith that lives

934
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 1>unshakably in our hearts. Each of us is willing, if necessary,

935
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to give his all for it. No one is willing

936
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to die for the eight hour day. People are willing

937
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to die so that so Germans will be so that

938
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Germany will belong to Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophets.

939
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>What nobody's willing to die for an eight hour day?

940
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 2>That I don't know if that applies to nowadays. Yeah,

941
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 2>just want a grill man.

942
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 1>But people are willing to die so that Germany will

943
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 1>belong to the Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophesied in nineteen

944
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 1>nineteen is becoming clearer every day, freedom and prosperity. The

945
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 1>movement is increasingly freeing itself from from the all to

946
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.519
<v Speaker 1>human and becoming a powerful force. The time is coming

947
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.119
<v Speaker 1>when people will not ask us what we think about

948
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the eight hour day, but rather when Germany is seized

949
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.760
<v Speaker 1>with desperation, they will ask can you give us fit

950
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:37.280
<v Speaker 1>back faith? If a movement has brought the idea from

951
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the individual to a worldview, building in the end a

952
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>clear gospel for which each is ready to die, that

953
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>movement is near victory. That does not happen in the study,

954
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.760
<v Speaker 1>but rather in battle, in bitter battle each day, with

955
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the enemy bringing him to see how he has led

956
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the nation down the wrong path. I must say that

957
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I learned the most from reading the Berlin or Tajeblat,

958
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>a newspaper hostel to the Nazis. That is a fine

959
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.800
<v Speaker 1>example of the Jews at work. From the Jewish standpoint,

960
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I've never noted a single mistake, whereas the nationalist papers

961
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 1>make mistakes all the time.

962
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

963
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.559
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like your enemy understands you better than

964
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you understand your enemy. That's not good.

965
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep, credit work do yeah.

966
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I now want to outline the essential characteristics of propaganda.

967
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 1>We have already agreed that propaganda is not an end

968
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 1>in itself, but it means to an end. Its task

969
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>is to spread the knowledge of national socialism to the

970
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>people or to a part of the people. If propaganda

971
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 1>does that, it is good. If not, it is bad.

972
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.320
<v Speaker 1>The German nationalists claim that Hitler's propaganda before nine November

973
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty three was too loud, too noisy, too popular.

974
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Hitlery replied, Munich must become national socialists. If I achieve

975
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 1>that my propaganda and it will have been good. If

976
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I had wanted to make you happy, it would have

977
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:08.360
<v Speaker 1>been bad, but that was not my intention. You cannot

978
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>evaluate propaganda in mid course, but rather you have to

979
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:15.320
<v Speaker 1>wait until it reaches it Samaker's goal. You cannot say

980
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 1>that our propaganda was wrong because the government banned it.

981
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 1>That is false under Jewish police officials, our propaganda would

982
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.119
<v Speaker 1>be wrong if it were not banned, for that means

983
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it would be hard. For that means it would be harmless.

984
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>The fact that it yeah, the fact that it is banned,

985
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.039
<v Speaker 1>is the best evidence that we are dangerous. If the

986
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.679
<v Speaker 1>ban is lifted, do not come to me and say

987
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 1>that the Jew has seen the error of his ways.

988
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 1>It will be lifted when the Jew sees that it

989
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 1>is not achieving his purpose. You can say what you want.

990
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 1>The Jew will put away his dagger only when he

991
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.159
<v Speaker 1>sees that it is better not to use it against

992
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.119
<v Speaker 1>propaganda method or when he sees that the dagger has

993
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>already done its duty.

994
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's h another salient point. If you're you know,

995
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.920
<v Speaker 2>if if you're not getting banned, if you're not getting

996
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 2>put on a list, if you're not getting punished in

997
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 2>some way, shape or form, then you're not saying anything

998
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 2>that's that's in any way a threat. Yeah.

999
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I was at an event, small event a couple of

1000
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:34.239
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, and somebody told me that Tim Poole was

1001
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a dissonant. And I didn't laugh. All I said, all

1002
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 1>I asked was to dissonance make a million dollars a month.

1003
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good metric. Yeah, what income bracket? What

1004
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 2>what tax bracket is he in?

1005
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And no answer the h.

1006
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think a good thing to promulgate nowadays is

1007
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that the methods with which bands are are dolled out

1008
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.760
<v Speaker 2>is via algorithm. So if you can find a way

1009
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 2>to hack that, and you know whether it's via via

1010
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:24.920
<v Speaker 2>language or more more technical methods, Uh, use that too

1011
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.840
<v Speaker 2>if you can. If you can pierce pierce through the

1012
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 2>uh the safety mechanism, do it. I have. I'll tell

1013
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you right now. I use a text obfuscator. Just Google

1014
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.239
<v Speaker 2>text obfuscator, then type in whatever you want and uh,

1015
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.599
<v Speaker 2>you can even change the letters come out in some

1016
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 2>weird script, but uh, you can change the letters to

1017
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 2>look normal. And it's so far, so good. I've never

1018
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:50.480
<v Speaker 2>even gotten a warning, and I post some pretty hainous ship.

1019
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:53.920
<v Speaker 1>You do, I like it?

1020
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how I've I've I've gotten banned off Twitter

1021
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 2>five times, like five new accounts, and I've had this

1022
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 2>one for a while now. And I credit the text obfuscator.

1023
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 1>All right. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not

1024
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 1>a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners.

1025
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.400
<v Speaker 1>It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.

1026
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I do not care if I give wonderful, esthetically elegant

1027
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 1>speeches or speak so that women cry. The point of

1028
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.760
<v Speaker 1>a political speech is to persuade people of what we

1029
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.039
<v Speaker 1>think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I

1030
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 1>do in Berlin. And why I speak in Beyruth. I

1031
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's Beyruth. I say different things than I say

1032
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in the forest hall a meeting hall. The nazis often

1033
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.079
<v Speaker 1>used in Berlin. That is a matter of practice, not

1034
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.880
<v Speaker 1>of theory. We do not want to be a movement

1035
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 1>of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that

1036
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 1>can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not

1037
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 1>intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to

1038
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 1>discover in intellectual truths. I found them by thinking, or

1039
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.880
<v Speaker 1>at my desk anywhere, but in a meeting hall that

1040
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 1>is where I transmit them. I did not enter the

1041
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>meeting hall to discover intellectual truths, but to persuade others

1042
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of what I think to be right. I learned methods

1043
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.079
<v Speaker 1>there that I can use to reach others with what

1044
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I have found to be right. The speaker of propagandists

1045
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.159
<v Speaker 1>must first understand the idea. He cannot do that in

1046
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the middle of making propaganda. He must start with it.

1047
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Through daily contact with the masses. He learns how to

1048
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>communicate that idea. It is not the task of propaganda

1049
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to discover knowledge, but to transmit knowledge, it must adjust

1050
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to those it wishes to reach with that knowledge. The

1051
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Propagandas's speeches or posters that are aimed at farmers will

1052
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 1>be different than those aimed at employers. Those aimed at

1053
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:52.039
<v Speaker 1>doctors will be different than those aimed at patients. He

1054
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<v Speaker 1>will adjust as propaganda to fit those he is speaking to.

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01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Speaker 1>You can see that all the critical standards used by

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01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 1>other parties to evaluate propaganda missed the point, and that

1057
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.559
<v Speaker 1>most complaints about the NSCAP is propaganda result from a

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01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>false understanding of propaganda. If someone tells me your propaganda

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01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.000
<v Speaker 1>has no civilized standards, I know there is no point

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01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 1>in even talking to him. It makes no difference if

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01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.559
<v Speaker 1>propaganda is at a high level. The question is whether

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01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it reaches goal. My first goal when I came to

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01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Berlin was to make the city aware of us. They

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01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 1>could love us or hate us, as long as they

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01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:30.079
<v Speaker 1>knew who we were. We have reached that goal.

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01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:31.199
<v Speaker 2>He's a wrestling heel.

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01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 1>We have reached that goal. We are hated and loved.

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01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.800
<v Speaker 1>When someone hears the term national socialists, he does not

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01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.000
<v Speaker 1>ask what is that? Once we have reached a first goal.

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01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.400
<v Speaker 1>We can work on turning hate to love and love

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01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to hate, but never to indifference. The battle against indifference

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01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:56.159
<v Speaker 1>is the hardest battle. That's I mean, it's so true. Yeah,

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01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just so true.

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01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 2>If you can evoke an emotion response, what what that

1075
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:07.960
<v Speaker 2>emotion is doesn't matter, it's it's in their heads and

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01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.320
<v Speaker 2>there may sometimes you can get people to do your

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01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 2>propaganizing for you.

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01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even if it's negative just bying.

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01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your interactions with your detractors probably convert more people,

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01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, to to taking the next step and watching

1081
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 2>an episode when when you when you really hammer some

1082
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 2>dumb shit on X, like, that's probably just as effective

1083
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.000
<v Speaker 2>at you know, getting them to the next level.

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01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.719
<v Speaker 1>People will ask you if you're like arguing with an

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01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:44.199
<v Speaker 1>account that is, like, why are you arguing with an

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01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 1>account that has ten followers. I'm not arguing with the

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01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 1>account for the sake of the for the the account

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01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 1>with ten followers. I'm arguing with the account for the

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01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 1>people who are watching.

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01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm publicly crushing somebody that I know has a

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01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:03.360
<v Speaker 2>relatively common view and letting it be known to everybody

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01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know might be on the fence.

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01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you have thousands and thousands, tens of

1094
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:15.800
<v Speaker 1>thousands of followers you have. There are followers who never comment.

1095
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.800
<v Speaker 1>There are people who just lurk, and they lurk all day,

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01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:25.280
<v Speaker 1>never comment. That's who you're doing it for. Yep, you're

1097
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.239
<v Speaker 1>doing it for the people who are watching what you're doing,

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01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:33.039
<v Speaker 1>who are watching your account. I hate when someone comes

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01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:34.639
<v Speaker 1>in and goes, why are you arguing with them? Why

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01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 1>do you keep retweeting them? Why do you keep retweeting me?

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01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:41.679
<v Speaker 1>I only have ten followers? Yeah, shut up, Yeah, shut up.

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01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.119
<v Speaker 2>If you can get a couple people to dip their

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01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.760
<v Speaker 2>toe in the water, then take it. Take it from there.

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01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Just why am I retweeting an account with ten followers? Just

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01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.519
<v Speaker 1>be a useful idiot and just let me retweet your account.

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01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 1>The battling incident. There may be two million people in

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01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:07.159
<v Speaker 1>this city who hate my guts, who persecute and slander me.

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01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 1>But I know that I can win over some of them.

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01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.840
<v Speaker 1>We know that from experience. Some of those who persecuted

1111
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 1>us and fought most bitterly against us are today our

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01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.440
<v Speaker 1>most determined supporters. You see that the important thing for

1113
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.679
<v Speaker 1>propaganda is that it reaches its goal, and that it

1114
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 1>is a mistake to apply critical standards that are irrelevant.

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01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Let me give another example. If someone asked me what

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01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I think of another person, is it's silly for me

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01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.519
<v Speaker 1>to say I like him, but he cannot play the piano.

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01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 1>The answer will be, so what he is a corporate lawyer.

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01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you see if he is good at what

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01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 1>he does. That is a good answer, and it applies

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01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 1>just as well to propaganda. Our propaganda follows a clear line.

1122
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Adolf Hitler once told me that it is not necessary

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01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to give a programmatic speech to a public meeting. The

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01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.119
<v Speaker 1>public meeting requires the most primitive approach. If the fine

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01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.639
<v Speaker 1>gentleman say, you're only a proper gun, the answer is this.

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01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Was Christ any different? Did he not make more? But

1127
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:07.800
<v Speaker 1>did he not make propaganda? Did he write books or

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01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 1>did he preach? Was Mohammed any different? Did he write

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01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 1>learned essays or did he go to the people and

1130
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.639
<v Speaker 1>say what he wanted to say? Were not Buddha and

1131
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Zarathustra propagandis true? The philosophers of the French Revolution built

1132
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:24.319
<v Speaker 1>their intellectual foundations. But who got things moving? Robes, Pierre

1133
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Danton and the others. Did these men write books or

1134
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.760
<v Speaker 1>did they speak in popular meetings? Look around today? Is

1135
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Mussolini more an author or a great speaker? When Lenin

1136
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.239
<v Speaker 1>took the train from Zurich to Petersburg, did he repair,

1137
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 1>did he repair to his study and write a book?

1138
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Or did he speak to thousands? Bascism and Bolshevism were

1139
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.359
<v Speaker 1>built by great speakers, by masters of the spoken word.

1140
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:50.199
<v Speaker 1>There is no difference between the politician and the speaker.

1141
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:57.039
<v Speaker 1>History proves that great politicians were always great speakers. Napoleon Caesar, Alexander, Mussolini, Lenin,

1142
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 1>name whomever you want. They were all great speakers and

1143
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:05.640
<v Speaker 1>great organizers. If a person combines rhetorical talent, organizational ability,

1144
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and philosophical ability, if he has the ability to transmit

1145
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.600
<v Speaker 1>knowledge and to gather people under his banner, then he

1146
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 1>is a brilliant statesman.

1147
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1148
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:16.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's why we don't have any statesman. We don't

1149
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:19.079
<v Speaker 1>you know who that is.

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01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Right there right now, Kelly, Yeah, yep.

1151
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and really yeah, and really he is, Like his

1152
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Speaker 1>philosophical ability is I mean, it really comes it comes

1153
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 1>out more when he's questioned.

1154
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, yeah, especially by a hostile party. Yeah, he

1155
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:49.199
<v Speaker 2>is the master of replying to his detractors and just

1156
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 2>strengthening himself. Yeah, there's a Massachusetts representative that he just

1157
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:02.399
<v Speaker 2>got BTFO by bu Kelly. Oh yeah, I saw that,

1158
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 2>something about like moving, like relocating a painting in an airport.

1159
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.199
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, we moved it two feet and like

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01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 2>shut up.

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01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, laconic phrases. All right, if someone tells me

1162
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 1>today you're a demagogue, I answer him in this way.

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01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Demagoguy in the good sense is simply the ability to

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01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.920
<v Speaker 1>get the masses to understand what I want them to understand.

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01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Of course I can adjust to the feelings of the

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01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.680
<v Speaker 1>broad masses, which is demagoguy in the bad sense. Then

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01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I change not only the form of what I say,

1168
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 1>but also the content. You cannot tell me that things

1169
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 1>have changed. Formerly, speakers built movements. Today we live in

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01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the age of the press, and it is the writers

1171
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:52.479
<v Speaker 1>who are influential. This theory is obviously false. Of course

1172
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the press is important, but if you examine well written editorials,

1173
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they turn out to be speeches in disguise. The Marxist

1174
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.399
<v Speaker 1>did not win through their editorials, but rather because each

1175
01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Marxist editorial was a little propaganda speech. They were written

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01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.520
<v Speaker 1>by agitators. They sat in their offices or in their

1177
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.640
<v Speaker 1>smoke filled bars, writing not elegant, intellectual and polished essays,

1178
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:18.159
<v Speaker 1>but rather brutal direct words with the average which the

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01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 1>average man understand.

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01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:26.119
<v Speaker 2>We have a litany of those right now, But all

1181
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 2>I can think of is BuzzFeed. Wait, what did he say?

1182
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:37.680
<v Speaker 2>They were written by agitators, they sat in their offices

1183
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.039
<v Speaker 2>or in their cum filled rooms.

1184
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Jeez, probably do have some great propaganda's coomers. Yea, that

1185
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:54.520
<v Speaker 1>is why the masses devoured the Red Press. We must

1186
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.199
<v Speaker 1>learn from their example. Marxism did not win because it

1187
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:02.159
<v Speaker 1>had great profits. They had none one because its nonsense

1188
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:05.600
<v Speaker 1>was promoted by agitators of the ability of August, August

1189
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Bebel and Lenin. They led Marxism to victory. If the

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01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Volcish movement had had such agitators at its disposal, its

1191
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:18.600
<v Speaker 1>stronger intellectual foundations would surely have let it to victory.

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01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Some critics complain, all you do is criticize. You only

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01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.000
<v Speaker 1>complain you can't do things any better yourselves. Does this

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01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:29.079
<v Speaker 1>sound familiar at all? As anybody ever said.

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01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:29.199
<v Speaker 2>That to you?

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01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Love it like once a day, once a day. Others

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01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.279
<v Speaker 1>say that the angriff Gerbel's newspaper in Berlin is entirely negative.

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01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Say something positive for a change. Well, I am not

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01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 1>in a position to say anything positive about Isidor weis,

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01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the Jewish vice chief of police in Berlin and a

1201
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.720
<v Speaker 1>regular Gerbels target. I can only be negative, and there

1202
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.560
<v Speaker 1>is nothing positive I can say about the Republic. There

1203
01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:59.720
<v Speaker 1>is nothing positive about it. I can say something positive

1204
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.399
<v Speaker 1>when I eliminate the negative. The most brilliant statementsman on

1205
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:06.760
<v Speaker 1>earth could do nothing with this Republic, and Marxism preached

1206
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 1>only the negative for sixty years. The result was that

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01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:15.199
<v Speaker 1>it took over the state eighth on ninth November nineteen eighteen.

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01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Hitler once said, keep those no at alls who always

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01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 1>want to do something positive away from me. We could

1210
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.640
<v Speaker 1>do something positive only when we have first gotten rid

1211
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:27.439
<v Speaker 1>of the negative. A leader does not emerged from a

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01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.119
<v Speaker 1>conference table. He develops from the masses.

1213
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 2>And the.

1214
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.640
<v Speaker 1>More a true leader rises from the masses, the more

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01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:39.039
<v Speaker 1>he draws the masses to him. The mass is the weak, cowardly,

1216
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:43.319
<v Speaker 1>lazy majority of people. One can never entirely win the

1217
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:46.399
<v Speaker 1>broad mass. The best elements from the mass must be

1218
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 1>put in a form where they can be victorious. That

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01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>is the task of a brilliant mind. Yep, we thank fate. Yeah, crucible,

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01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.239
<v Speaker 1>we thank fate that it has given us one of

1221
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.159
<v Speaker 1>these minds, a mind superior to all others, whom we

1222
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.880
<v Speaker 1>willingly serve. That is to prove that we will win

1223
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:11.000
<v Speaker 1>if others find their wisdom and majority rule. But a

1224
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.880
<v Speaker 1>movement is led by one person, that movement will win

1225
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.800
<v Speaker 1>when it wins. Is when it wins is irrelevant. It

1226
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:20.920
<v Speaker 1>will win because that is the way things are. Look around,

1227
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 1>as much as you want, you will everywhere see our

1228
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:29.279
<v Speaker 1>movements intellectual foundations. The task of the leaders and the

1229
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.239
<v Speaker 1>followers is to drive this knowledge ever deeper into the

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01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>hearts of our shattered nation. Each must make that clear.

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01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Each must think things through. Everything we do must be clear.

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01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 1>We will never give up. If everything is clear. One

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01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 1>does not have to be an outstanding speaker. If he

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01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>can say it all in a few words, he is

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01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a propagandist. If we have an army of such propagandas

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01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.800
<v Speaker 1>from the littlest to the fear himself, and if each

1237
01:14:54.880 --> 01:15:00.479
<v Speaker 1>spreads our crystal clear knowledge to the masses, day will

1238
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:04.319
<v Speaker 1>come which our worldview takes over the state. When our

1239
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.560
<v Speaker 1>organization seizes the reigns of power when we will know

1240
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.880
<v Speaker 1>when we are no longer members of a slave colony,

1241
01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:15.079
<v Speaker 1>but rather citizens of a political state that we ourselves

1242
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.319
<v Speaker 1>have formed. That is our task on this planet to

1243
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:22.680
<v Speaker 1>create the foundation on which our people can live. When

1244
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:25.359
<v Speaker 1>we do that, the nation will create works of culture

1245
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that will endure the eons, endure for eons in world history.

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01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, I agree with everything you said.

1247
01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Really, is there anything? Is there anything in there that

1248
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:43.319
<v Speaker 1>that you sill combridge with.

1249
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Little quibbles here and there? Yeah? Was? Uh? Was was

1250
01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Gebel's Catholic?

1251
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he was. I don't know how

1252
01:15:59.039 --> 01:15:59.720
<v Speaker 1>he is.

1253
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Some weird German offshoot of Protestantism.

1254
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that what it says?

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01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I don't know.

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01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, I was early life. Buh. Both of his

1257
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:17.680
<v Speaker 1>parents were Roman Catholics with modest family backgrounds. Yeah. What's

1258
01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:20.680
<v Speaker 1>funny is Gerbels does definitely look German, but he could

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<v Speaker 1>also like pass for Sicilian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looks a little bit too self German.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, South Italian, south of the boot like way south.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean when when I read this, all I

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<v Speaker 2>could think is, wow, we have a we have a

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<v Speaker 2>long way to go. If well, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also one of the problems with having people

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<v Speaker 1>who are a little too smart, because it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you speak in very plain language, if you

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<v Speaker 1>use propaganda, that is what does someone tell me today

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<v Speaker 1>it was what you just posted was rage bait. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think what I posted was rage bait. I am well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it may have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell me, is it propaganda? I'll find it. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's yeah, I get accused of that all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you know, when you're talking about when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about power and really how how power is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to work and how power will actually work, then

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Jake Shields, you know, Jake Shields m a guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and huge noticer. Yeah, he said, uh, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about Trump, he said, conservatives try to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>while liberals imprison their political rivals at all costs. This

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<v Speaker 1>is why conservatives always lose. They need to learn to

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<v Speaker 1>fight dirty or keep on losing. This isn't how America

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<v Speaker 1>should be. But I don't see any other alternative. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a natural proclivity of you know, your

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<v Speaker 2>your garden variety conservative to respect legitimate authority, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the courthouse yesterday was a legitimate authority. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why today there's no demonstrations. There's just you know, Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News panelist screaming into the TV and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people mad online.

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<v Speaker 1>What you needed to see today was a planned effort

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<v Speaker 1>well in advance of Republican areas of people, Republican DA's

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<v Speaker 1>things like people like that arresting Democrat politicians locally, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, like this has always been a possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and then come July eleventh, during the sentencing, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility that he will go to jail and then

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<v Speaker 2>what like there's we're not even getting to the step

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<v Speaker 2>that talks about organization, Like we're way so far removed

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<v Speaker 2>from any type of will to activism or or or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. And because you're a fed now if

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk about that, you're a fed yeh. Which

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<v Speaker 2>is why it's so important that there is a real

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<v Speaker 2>life component that to meet people that you know, share

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<v Speaker 2>a common view with you and propagandize. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>that might be done through propaganda, is a propaganda or

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<v Speaker 2>it might just be like, you know, you happen to

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<v Speaker 2>meet somebody that has already been propagandized successfully and in

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<v Speaker 2>whatever your worldview is. But go outside people banking, you

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<v Speaker 2>go outside, go to the go to the bar, go

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<v Speaker 2>to I don't know, like meet people.

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<v Speaker 1>That talks with people. So my response to my rage

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<v Speaker 1>bait response, as it was called was to Jake was

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<v Speaker 1>politics as friend enemy, simple as how do you treat

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<v Speaker 1>your enemies when you get power over them? And then enclosed,

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<v Speaker 1>I went, oh, but my morals, Fuck your morals they

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<v Speaker 1>want you dead? Yeah, yep, I mean is can that

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<v Speaker 1>be considered hyperbolic? Very? Is it true?

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<v Speaker 2>Are are they willing to die for their morals? Because

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<v Speaker 2>that's something we can work with, but we know that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not, which is why they don't have any potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just it's just click it, man.

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<v Speaker 2>They get ten cents of click, just click.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anything else you got to say about this?

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<v Speaker 2>No, just feeling particularly jaded and yeah, I me and

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<v Speaker 2>me and Bird just recorded an episode that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know if we should release because we spoke very

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<v Speaker 2>frankly about some subjects that came up in in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah well, I mean, if you don't really. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't release it, just please share it with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I will. Yeah, I'm sure Bird will have no

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that. Okay, and then you release it because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to do your first bt w A in what

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<v Speaker 1>two years?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, it's coming anytime now. I think I'm interview

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<v Speaker 2>rebrand though, are you? Yeah? Rolling around ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's good. It'd be good to see you

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<v Speaker 1>putting out some material. I know you work your ass

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<v Speaker 1>off though, so I guess we gave half the plugs

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<v Speaker 1>already so you can finish doing whatever you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at BTWA Underscore

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<v Speaker 2>Returns and every week on Timeline Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>I love every time you said that every week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, man, thank you, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, of course
