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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingana Show.

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Aaron's back. How's it going, Aaron?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about We're gonna look at a speech

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by a Nazi.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I was just sitting a bird earlier. You know, I'm

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coming on the heels of your close out of Hitler's

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foreign policy with Thomas, and I'm like, who the hell

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is going to want to listen to me after that?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think you know, if you remember that Gebels

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at this time was still running around with a kpd M.

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You know that he I mean really up until the end.

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I mean he he ran with them for about twelve

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thirteen years. Yeah, then you start to you know, when

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you when you read some of the stuff that he's

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when you read his speeches or read the stuff some

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of the stuff you wrote, you're like, oh, okay, that

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makes sense, this makes sense. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, having you on for that, because I mean,

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I don't know that you know as much about communism

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as Thomas does, but you know a hell of a

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lot more about communism than most people I know.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm a real comrade, all right, talk a little

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bit of just a little bit about this is.

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Speaker 1: It is from January ninth, nineteen twenty eight, to an

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audience of party members at the so called Cultural four

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Politique for Politique, a series of training talks for party

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members in Berlin. It's Gerbel's most extended discussion on the

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nature of propaganda, all the more interesting because of its

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early date. It is worth comparing this speech to one

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he gave seven seven years later to a closed gathering

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of party propagandists at the nineteen thirty five Nuremberg Rally.

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That speech was not published. The text is available, but

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YadA YadA. So yeah, this is I mean, nineteen twenty eight.

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This is five years before four is five, you know,

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more than five years before they take power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so their situation is even more tenuous than it

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was when they took power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, all right, I'm gonna start stop me anytime

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then you know how this works? All right? Knowledge and

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Propaganda by Joseph Gerbels. My dear fellow party members. Our

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topic this evening is hotly disputed. I realized that my

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viewpoint is subjective. There is really little point in discussing propaganda.

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There is really little point in discussing propaganda. It is

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a matter of practice, not of theory.

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Speaker 2: One experiential. You have to experience propaganda in order to understand.

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Speaker 1: It exactly exactly that there's no there's no theory behind it.

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It doesn't it doesn't work unless someone experiences it. Yeah,

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one cannot determine theoretically whether one propaganda is better than another.

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Rather that propaganda is good that has the desired results,

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and that propaganda is bad that does not lead to

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the desired results. Consequential consequentialism. Yeah, it does not matter

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how clever it is, for the task of propaganda is

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not to be clever. Its task is to lead to success.

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I therefore avoid theoretical discussions about propaganda, for there is

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no point to it. Propaganda shows that it is good

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if over a certain period it can win over and

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fire up the people for an idea. If it fails

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to do so, it's bad propaganda. If propaganda wins the

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people it wanted to win, it was presumably good, and

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if not, it was presumably bad. No one can say

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that you're yeah, well, you.

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Speaker 2: Can tell that this is before the invention of the

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twenty four hour news cycle, because propaganda today is designed

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to fire you up for about ten minutes. Yeah, and

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then you click on whatever you need to click on

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to general great revenue, and then you forget about it.

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So that is the standard for what's good propaganda now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically it's just a brush.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 1: If propaganda wins the people that wanted to win, it

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was presumably good, and if not, it was presumably bad.

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No one can say that your propaganda is too crude

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or too low or brutal, or that it is not

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decent enough for those who are not the relevant criteria.

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weak or modest. It is to be successful. That is

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why I have intentionally chosen to discuss propaganda along with

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a second theme knowledge. Otherwise our discussion this evening would

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be of little value. We have not gathered to discuss

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lovely theories, but rather find to find ways of practically

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working together to deal with our everyday challenges.

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: What is propaganda and what role does it have in

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political life? That is the question of the greatest century

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to us. How should propaganda look and what is the role?

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end in itself or only a means to an end?

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We must discuss that. But we can. But we can

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do that only when we begin with the origin of

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propaganda itself, namely the idea, then move to the target

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of propaganda, namely people. Ideas in themselves are timeless. They

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are not tied to individuals, much less to a people.

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their attitudes. Ideas people say are in the clouds.

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Speaker 2: So who does that sound like?

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Speaker 1: People say, yeah, you're in the clouds. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Ideas exist independently of the mind. Yeah, yeah, that's

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that's what I picked up. When I read that. I

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was like, oh, he's a he's platonic.

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Speaker 1: That's also in Hinduism too, And oh is it yeah,

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outside the mind watching the thinker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thing when someone comes along who can put in words

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what everyone feels in their heart, each feels. Yes, that

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is what I always want it in hope for that

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is what happens the first time one Here's one of

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Hitler's major speeches. I have met people who have attended

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a Hitler meeting for the first time, and at the

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end they said, this man puts into words everything I

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have been searching for for years. Yeah, the first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you can, when you can distill and articulate

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what people are, what people feel but are unable to articulate,

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that's that's the best. It's it's it's it's awesome on

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both ends. Like when somebody says, like, you know, I

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never knew how to express that like that, that's awesome

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on our end. And when we're reading something or or

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listening to something that distills an idea into just a

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form that's easily digestible, it fires you up. That's that's

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a amazing.

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Speaker 1: Others are lost in confused. Others are lost in confusion,

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but suddenly someone stands up and puts it in words. Now,

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I've heard everything from goat to gutsa?

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Speaker 2: What do you?

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Speaker 1: What do you? How do you pronounce it?

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Speaker 2: Goth? I guess.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say gutsa because that's what this is the

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last that's the last way I heard it say. Gutsa's

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words become reality. Lost in silent misery, God gave someone

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to express my self.

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Speaker 2: Should ask me how to pronounce any philosopher's name? I'm

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the last person you want to ask.

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Speaker 1: But that's a great line there. Lost in silent misery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some kind of ideas the beginning of every political movement.

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thick book, nor that it take political form in one

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Speaker 2: People somehow manage.

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Speaker 1: History proves that the greatest world movements have always developed

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when their leaders knew how to unify their followers under

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a short, clear theme. It's just something I've been saying

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recently with the whole libertarian party thing is really when

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it comes to activism, when it comes to ideological activism,

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you don't want a party, a political party, because it's

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just pure bureaucracy. The best way to do it is

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you pick one narrow topic and you become like a

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lobby group for it, you become a propagandist for it,

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and you just go after elected Now you are going

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after elected officials. You don't have to worry about getting elected.

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You're going to go after the elected officials. That's the

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way National Association for Gun Rights basically got constitutional carry

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and half the states in this country tree is by

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going to politicians and saying we're going to run this person.

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We have this person who's going to run against you

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in a primary. Yeah, if you don't you know, if

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you don't promise this, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's that. I the Libertarian Party has somehow sunk to

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new depths. I didn't know we're imaginable, but I guess

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it's not surprising.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I said it was going to happen.

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You're just you know, managerialism takes over. So yeah, right,

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that is clear from the French Revolution or Cromwell's movement,

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or Buddhism, Islamer Christianity. Christ's goal was clear and simple,

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love your neighbor as yourself. He gathered his followers behind

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that straightforward statement because this teaching was simple, crisp, clear

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and understandable, enabling the broad masses to stand behind it.

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In the end, conquered the world. One then builds a

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whole system of thought on so a brief, crisply formulated idea.

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The idea does not remain limited to this single statement. Rather,

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it is applied to every aspect of daily life and

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becomes the guide for all human activity, politics, culture, the economy,

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every area of human behavior. It becomes a worldview. We

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see that we see that in all great revolutionary movements,

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which begin with a clear, crisp, understandable, all encompassing idea,

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they spread more and more and become a mirror of

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life that reflects all activities of the people, and indeed

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's a German word for ideology that

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seems more like what he's describing.

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Speaker 1: I think he's describing a culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Then one can say that a person has a

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worldview not because he knows a lot or has read

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a certain standpoint and measures everything by a certain standard.

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I'm a Christian when I believe that the meaning of

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life is the heavy responsibility to love my neighbor as myself.

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life could be the principle for your entire nation.

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Speaker 2: Is that the categorical imperative?

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Speaker 1: Act as if the principle for your life could be

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the principle for your entire nation? Yeah, huh, Well, I mean,

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or that from this or that, from politics, Rather, when

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in all things by putting the good of the whole

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above my personal good, by putting the good of the

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state above my personal good. But then I also have

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the guarantee that such a state will be able to

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Speaker 2: That is such an important caveat, And that's why I's

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it's going to be very difficult for us people on

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worldview that that ends up you know, that could potentially

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end up getting power. Is it takes a very long

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time or a very desperate population to place that trust

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it takes uh, it takes a whine more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, it takes desperate It's going to be desperation.

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they'll tell you that time is not on our side.

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Speaker 1: I am a national socialist when I see everything in politics,

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culture of the economy from this standpoint, I therefore do

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not evaluate the theater from the standpoint of whether it

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is elegant or amusing, rather or I ask is it

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good for my people? Is it useful for them? Does

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it strengthen the community? If so, the community in turn

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can benefit, support and strengthen me. I do not see

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the economy as some sort of way of making money. Rather,

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I want an economy that will strengthen the people, make

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them healthy and powerful. Then too, I can expect that

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this people will support and maintain me. If I see

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things in this way, I see the economy and national

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socialist terms. Does that sound like socialism to you, as

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Speaker 2: No, the antithesis that is the antithesis of anarcho capitalism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If I deliver this crisp clear idea into a

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system of thought that includes all human devices, which is

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in actions, I have a worldview. As an idea develops

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into a worldview, the goal is the state. Knowledge does

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not remain the property of a certain group, but fights

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for power. It is not just the fantasy of a

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few people among a few people among the people. Rather,

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it becomes the idea of the rulers, the circles that

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have power. The view does not only pre the view

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does not only preach, but it is carried out in practice.

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Speaker 2: I recall a long time ago when we were reading

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State and Revolution, just going over it and viewing it

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in terms of praxice. You know, during the during the

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October Revolution, November, everything leading up to and everything after it,

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practice practice, practice, And you know, at the time, we

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were kind of moving away from libertarianism because of that.

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And it's the same thing with this national socialism. It

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places emphasis on praxis, like practical application of your of

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your knowledge, of your of your theory or whatever. And

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you know, unfortunately, a lot of people that I like

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that espouse a worldview that I agree with, I don't

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see them emphasizing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Then the idea becomes the worldview of the state.

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The worldview has become a government organism when it seizes

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power and can influence life, not only in theory but

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in practical everyday life. Now we must consider who is

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the carrier, the transmitter, the guardian of such ideas a

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great man. An idea always lives in individuals. It seeks

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an individuals to transmit its great intellectual force. It becomes

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alive in a brain and seeks escape through the mouth.

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The idea is preached by individuals, individuals who will never

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be satisfied to have the knowledge remain. There's a loan.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a very well constructed paragraph and

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figured that's why he's the Minister of propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the great thing about

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a speech about knowledge and propaganda is he's propagandizing with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, he practices what he preaches.

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Speaker 1: You know that from experience. When one knows something, one

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does not keep it hidden like a buried treasure, but

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rather one seeks to tell others. One looks for people

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who should know it. One feels that everyone else should

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know as well, for one feels alone when no one

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else knows. For example, if I see a beautiful paint

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again at our gallery, I have the needs to tell others.

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I meet a good friend and say to him I

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found a wonderful picture. I have to show it to you.

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The same is true of ideas. If an idea lives

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in an individual, he has the urge to tell others.

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There is some mysterious force in us that drives us

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to tell others. The greater and simpler the idea, the

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more it relates to daily life, the more one has

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the desire to tell everyone about it.

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Speaker 2: And it's a testament to, you know, the the system

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we live under, that we hesitate to tell people about

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these great ideas in real life. I mean, I I

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see great ideas on my timeline every single day, and

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I want to tell people, but I usually just stop

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at my wife and see how see what she thinks.

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And then you know, if if if I go, if

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I go to bed, nothing happens that I know it

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was a bad idea and I just annoyed her. So

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but it's it's a testament to the counter propaganda machinery

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that we live under, that we we naturally hesitate two

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to promulgate these good ideas almost like they know what

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they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we have.

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Speaker 2: To say it in hush tones and quiet, you know,

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amongst people we trust.

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Speaker 1: Right, And then if it gets to the point where

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it's so dangerous to say certain things, then everyone's a

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fed and you don't want to talk to anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, as awesome as the Internet is,

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I think that the next big thing is going to

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spread via word of mouth and probably semi hermetic circles

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because it has to, because nobody wants to get arrested.

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Speaker 1: If I believe that the nation must be governed by

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the principle that the common good comes before the individual good,

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I will tell it to those to whom it applies.

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As soon as I realize that this principle is not

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only of a transcendental transcendental nature, but that it applies

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to daily life, I have the need to tell it

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to those in the economic world. And if I see

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it applies to culture as well, I have needs to

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tell it to those involved in cultural activities. The great

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masses will never be won simply by such a sentence.

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It must cast its shadow over all areas of human life.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Grams, she was Grams, she was the one who

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understood this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It has to march through institutions.

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Speaker 1: Yep. You see how an idea spreads and becomes a worldview,

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and how the bearer of the individual reaches out to

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form a community, and how an organization, then a movement

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grows from the individual. The idea is no longer buried

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in the heart and mind of an individual. Now there

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are four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, eighty, one hundred

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and ever more. That is a secret of ideas. They

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are like a wildfire that cannot be restrained. They are

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like a gas that sees through everything.

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Speaker 2: I saw that sentence. It was like, this is too easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where an idea finds entry, it enters, and soon

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that person is influencing others. The others cannot stop it.

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They may believe they can stop the fire by force.

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They may even be able to do so for two

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or ten, twenty or fifty years, but this is not

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significant in the larger course of world's history. It is

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irrelevant if something happens today or tomorrow or even years

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in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very transcendental view.

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Speaker 1: Well, the you know, and the thing is is that

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you can have the greatest idea in the world, and

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you can tell it to a bunch of people, and

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you know, two thousand people can hold on to it

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and love it and want to talk about it. But

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if they're not willing to put it into motion, if

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they're not willing to you know, get the ball rolling

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on it and implement it. It's use. That's when it's

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just theory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 1: It is possible to slow an idea by force for

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a certain period of time. In reality, however, that advances

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the idea for forces to drive out that which is weak.

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That's really good. That's really good. Yeah. Now, when everybody's

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like what you believe, you know, hardly anybody believes that

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there might be a reason. Yeah, there might be a reason.

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The elements that do not really belong collapse. Suddenly, the

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individual becomes a community, a movement, and if you prefer

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a party, each movement begins as a party. That does

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not mean it has to follow the methods of parliamentary parties.

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We see a party as a part of the people.

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As an idea spreads, becoming a worldview that spreads to

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the community. The community will once to give the idea

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practical form. The party will feel the necessities organize. Someone

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will suddenly have the idea. You think the way I

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do a way I think. You are working over there,

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I am working here. We know nothing of each other.

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That is absurd. It would be better if we work together,

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If I did my part and you did yours. Would

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it not be good if we met every month and talked.

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That is an organization. Gradually, a strong organism develops a

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party ready to fight for its ideals. A party that

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does not want that will indeed continue to preach its ideals,

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but will never bring them into reality.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's it's extremely hard to start that process now,

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because anything outside of you, if you want to call

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it the Overton window, never gets beyond what step.

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never gets beyond not being buried in the heart

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and mind of an individual or you may you may

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get up to for those numbers.

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Speaker 1: No, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: It's a four eighty one hundred. Yeah, it may it

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up to one hundred. But and I'm talking in real life,

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not not x not social media. That's a whole different

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story that that has its own endpoint that never materializes.

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But it's yeah, it's I'm telling you, like, the next

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big thing is going to be something you hear in

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real life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it may have already happened. A recent example may help.

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Our movement is often accused of losing its character as

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a movement. Oh have you ever heard that that if

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you you know change, if you're change a little bit

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Oh you've you don't understand it anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're not a real national socialist.

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Speaker 1: You've lost a plot. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't hack it.

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What we are accused of taking the vast, broad and

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ever moving system of thought of Vulcansh movement and forcing

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it into a proto pro Chrustian bed.

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Speaker 2: So procrustian bed. I look that up, and it's basically

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a like an arbitrary like forcing something to be arbitrarily different.

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That's all it is. Okay, The emphasis is on the

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arbitrariness of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean, like they try to say post libertarianism

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was just Yeah, we supposedly had to chop off the

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legs of the movement that stuck out, eliminating important parts

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of the Volcansh idea. Vulkansh idea. National socialism is only

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a surrogate for the real movement. Some say, in fact,

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the Volcansh movement ran a ground on this matter. Each

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declares his own particular intrat central to the Vulcansan movement

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and accuses anyone who does not share his views as

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being a traitor to the cause. This sounds familiar, huh.

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That is the way the Volcish movement was before the war.

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If someone had been able to take this great idea,

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and the Volkish idea was greater than the Marxist idea

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and develop out of it a tightly disciplined political organization,

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then the Volcush idea, not the Marxist idea, would have

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won on nine November nineteen eighteen. Marxism won because it

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had a better understanding of political conditions, because it had

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forged the sword it would later use to conquer the state.

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If a Volcansh organizer had understood how to form a

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great movement, it is a question of life or death

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for a nation. The Volkish idea, not Marxism, would have won.

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It was a worldview, but it did not understand how

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to form a party and how to forge a sharp

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sword that would have enabled it to conquer the state.

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Speaker 2: So is he drawing a distinction? I didn't get this.

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Is he drawing a distinction between national socialism and uh like,

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the Vulcan movement?

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, because the volk movement. Yeah, because people

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who are adherent to the Volcan movement argue that National

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Socialists was just a was basically a bastardization. You know,

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you don't understand, you don't understand what you're doing, you

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don't understand who we are kind of Yeah, but you know,

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he points he points out that at the end of

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the war. I'm reading this this book on my show

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Blockade right now, and it's about Vienna at the end

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of the during the war and at the end of

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World War One, and immediately in Vienna, social the when

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the troops come back, when the kids come back, when

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the men come back, socialism has taken hold. So I

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mean they're bringing back socialism with them, They're bringing back

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Bolshevism with them. Why Why because it was the only

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at that point, It's really the one the one thing

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that is pushing back against the what they would call

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the war profiteers and people like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense because I mean the right

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wing coalition in Germany post World War immediately post World

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War One was like a coalition that included democratic socialists

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and communists, right m and these and Volcanish of the

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Vulk movement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, for a second, I

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mean they actually talk about like these whole she talks

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about that. Well, I think her daughter went and visited

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a relative in Lenz in Austria, and this is in

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like nineteen eighteen, late nineteen eighteen, and there are roving,

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roving hordes going through the town and just taking everything,

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destroying everything. And she just offhandedly mentions and they, I

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don't know why, but they look Russian.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Well there's a reason. There's a reason why they looked

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Russian because they were pouring over the border to take

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a country, to take a country that was in tatters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the state needs a worldview. Christianity also conquered the state,

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and in the movement and in the moment that it

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conquered the state, it began to carry out practical political activity.

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You can with justice claim yes, But at the moment

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00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,279
Christianity took over the state, it began to cease to

479
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:50,839
begin being Christian. That is the tragedy of all great ideas.

480
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,279
At the moment they enter the realm of this life

481
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,240
of sin, of the all too human, they leave the

482
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,240
heavens and lose to romantic magic.

483
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,839
Speaker 2: Wow.

484
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Sounds like James Burnham. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just

485
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,480
Burnham talking about how when when ideology is introduced to reality,

486
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,759
it just it gets punched in the mouth.

487
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I I don't know if I agree

488
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,000
with that. I don't know that you can with justice

489
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,240
claim yes, but at the moment Christianity took over the

490
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:25,599
state of cease being Christian.

491
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I mean, it's it just

492
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:33,039
it depends.

493
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: It might have it might have changed changed his nature

494
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,240
and it has to Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

495
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
I guess something.

496
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:52,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the dogmacies, Yeah right, okay, it becomes something normal.

497
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,559
We are not discussing whether or not one can change

498
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,279
the nature of life. Things have gone on this way

499
00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,319
for millions of years, and we'll go on in the

500
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,599
same way from it millions more. You will have to

501
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,200
ask a higher power why that is so. At the

502
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,839
moment an idea takes practical form, it loses its angels wings.

503
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,480
It's romantic mystery. If someone had had the courage to

504
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,279
strip the Volcanish idea of its romantic mystery, if one

505
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,880
had taken account of the hard facts, it would not

506
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,559
look as romantic today as it does to some dreamers,

507
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,240
but it would have kept millions of German children from starving.

508
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:34,720
For me, it is more yeah, yeah, well, you know

509
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160
you know what I learned from that, that diary blockade,

510
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,759
the the Save the Children Foundation that was started to

511
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:49,359
feed German and Austrian kids after World War One. Huh yeah,

512
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:56,799
yeah yeah. For me, it is important that a nation lives,

513
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,279
that a nation live. For me, it is it's more

514
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,880
important that a nation lives than that an idea remains

515
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,440
as pure as possible in the heads of a few dreamers.

516
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:06,599
Speaker 2: Very practical.

517
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Yes, you can see that a movement needs an organization

518
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000
if it is to conquer the state, and it must

519
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,160
conquer the state if it wants to do something of

520
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,039
positive and historic significance. I have often met the kind

521
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,759
of wandering apostle who says, well, everything you are doing

522
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,279
is fine, but you rely, you really, but you rely

523
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,920
must also you really must also take a stand against

524
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,400
foreign words in the German language. And another comes along

525
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,000
who says, well, everything you say is good, but you

526
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,839
must have a point in your program that says allopathy

527
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,160
is dangerous and you must support homeopathy. If the movement

528
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880
were led by such apostles, the jew would end up

529
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,680
in charge. Do we want to talk about the United States?

530
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Now? So?

531
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the early twentieth centre United States? Now?

532
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: So I've actually been thinking a little harder about this

533
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,759
and talking to some people, and uh, I think, yes

534
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:17,440
there is. I I don't think it's just Judaism. That's

535
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,160
you know, pernicious influence and all that. But what let

536
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,319
me throw this at you and we could talk about

537
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:32,440
it whenever. But uh, what about the pernicious influence of gnosticism?

538
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,559
Speaker 1: Oh where did that come from?

539
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: So just looking into the uh, you know.

540
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: The modern birth of it?

541
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh, the modern birth, Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's the

542
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,599
usual suspects. And if you go back in time, it's

543
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,119
it's them as well. After the you know, in the

544
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720
in the second to fourth century, you know, in the.

545
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: Most Christians would have been of Jewish Jewish descent.

546
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to be fair, Yeah, but the the the

547
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,160
syncretism between Judaism and narcissism, and you know how that

548
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,759
influenced the Talmud, how that influenced a couple of other

549
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,440
their other books, and and it's just an idea that

550
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,559
came into my head. I wonder how how that syncretism

551
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,680
is playing out now.

552
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the the whole idea of gnosticism. I

553
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,039
mean you could just peel the skin off of it

554
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,880
and you can see progressivism.

555
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,599
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yep. And you know it's it's influence

556
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,880
in academia, it's influence in Hollywood, you know, not to

557
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,240
not to really put my tinfoil hat on. But that's

558
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,240
just something that I was noticing.

559
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,519
Speaker 1: Kay, you're noticing huh.

560
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like putting another yea, putting another another hat on.

561
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:02,359
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. The jew would find something new every day

562
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,359
until nothing was left. It is not the task of

563
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,840
a revolutionary fighting movement to settle the dispute between allopathy

564
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,719
and homeopathy. Rather, its task is to take power. Yeah,

565
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,159
you're saying, if you're looking at alopathy, homeopathy, these are

566
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,840
basically cultural things, way of life. Basically, I mean you

567
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,880
could call them ideologies. People build whole ideologies around them.

568
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,599
You see people who are really into allopathy or homeopathy

569
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,199
or really homeopathy, who have a tendency to be of

570
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,960
a certain the stereotype is of a certain group, you know,

571
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,159
the certain kind of person. And yeah, I mean that

572
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,079
you can call that an ideology. And when it comes

573
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,719
to taking power, you know, these these things really need

574
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,519
to be really need to be put aside, because is

575
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,639
that argument right there between allopathy and homeopathy? Is that important?

576
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,920
When you're trying to take over a state, when you're

577
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,440
trying to put together, when you're trying to you know, basically,

578
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:11,159
have create national socialists, create national socialism.

579
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: Doing the math five years later, I think they mostly

580
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,239
proved that homeopathy works.

581
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 1: At least, the movement must have a program such that

582
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,840
every honest fighter can stand behind it. Now, it is

583
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,599
certainly true that the modern German cultural establishment produces every

584
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,920
manner of nonsense. I know that this nonsense is poisoning

585
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,559
the German national soul. There are those who say something

586
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,480
has to happen. You have to do something. If you

587
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:44,639
want to fight the movie industry, you must build your

588
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,719
own theater, even if it's even if at first it

589
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,320
has the most primitive equipment. And if you see that

590
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,159
the children are being poisoned by what they read in school,

591
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,639
you must begin to win children's souls and give them

592
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,840
the ansidote. My reply is simple. You can spend ten

593
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,440
years giving the ansidote to the poison that is produced

594
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,119
by a badly led cultural establishment, but a single degree

595
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,719
from a ministry of culture can destroy all your work.

596
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,519
If you had spent the ten years winning fighters for

597
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,360
the movement, the movement would have conquered the ministry of culture.

598
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:22,639
Everything else is mere piece work. That's certainly a paragraph

599
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,159
right there.

600
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ministry is culture.

601
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,679
Speaker 1: Poisoning German national soul. Something has to happen. You have

602
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,519
to do something. If you don't like Amazon, build your

603
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:45,159
own Amazon even got some libertarian yeah, through some libertarianism

604
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,199
in here. Yeah, it's like I said, with homeschooling, I

605
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,880
absolutely suggest that people homeschool their kids right now. But

606
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,679
if only five percent of the population is homeschooling, that

607
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,000
means ninety five percent of the kids twenty years from

608
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,119
now are just going to be progressive psychopaths.

609
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, with a single decree, I mean, with a

610
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,639
single decree, we would lose ninety nine percent of our progress.

611
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,519
If they just simply you know, enforced KYC on X,

612
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,039
I think you know, that would be a that would crush.

613
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

614
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: So like again, it goes back to you. You need

615
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,719
to do things in real life too.

616
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: But then you can make you can make the argument

617
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,480
that if everybody is public, I mean, can they come

618
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:38,360
after everybody?

619
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, who knows, that's a Pandora's box. I don't

620
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,280
know if I want to find out. Yeah, they could

621
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,280
certainly come after us one by one.

622
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could, but I mean they don't even have

623
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,000
the money and the funding to do that.

624
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: If a movement wins political power, it can do the

626
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,840
those positive things it wants to do. Only then does

627
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,079
it have the power to protect its accomplishments. At the

628
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,639
moment a movement or party wins control of the state,

629
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,760
its worldview becomes the state, and its party becomes the nation.

630
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,039
The nation is not the sixty million people who live

631
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:19,000
in it. That is a confused mixture. One says yay,

632
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:22,159
the other says nay. That is not a nation. A

633
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:28,119
nation is characterized by consciousness. Instinct alone is not enough.

634
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,360
Only when I am aware that I am a member

635
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,760
of the nation, when I am consciously a German, do

636
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,639
I belong to the German people. The Great Elector did

637
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,679
not say, think and remember that you are German. Rather,

638
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,639
he said, consider well that you are German. Consideration is

639
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,039
at the level of consciousness. Such consciousness belongs to the

640
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,239
entire nation. Adolf Hitler rightly answered the Court and Munich

641
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,480
in this way when he was asked, how could you

642
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,440
think of establishing a dictatorship over sixty million with such

643
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,760
a tiny minority? His reply. If an entire people vulk

644
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,719
had has become cowardly, and there are only a thousand

645
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,760
left who want something great and who have and who

646
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480
have to and who have the power to transform the state,

647
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,440
then those thousand are the people. If the others let

648
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,639
a minority conquer the state, then they must also accept

649
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,639
the fact that we will establish a dictatorship.

650
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,159
Speaker 2: Powerful, prescient.

651
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same is true of a movement. If a

652
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,119
movement has the strength to take over the state, then

653
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,679
it has the power to transform the state. I am

654
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,280
the last to complain that the Marxists rule us today.

655
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,519
As long as we do not have the strength to

656
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,559
overcome them, they have the political rights to rule us.

657
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,199
Oh he's so good. He is so good. Oh man, Oh,

658
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,679
it's just it's true, and it's meant to piss you

659
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:05,360
off the same time. Oh, it's so good. As long

660
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,559
as we do not have the strength to overcome them,

661
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,119
they have the political rights to rule us. I am

662
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,880
surprised how little they use that right. I would do

663
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,760
things differently. That is their tragic misunderstanding of their own worldview.

664
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,079
I do not complain that the gentlemen of the Berlin

665
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,000
police use their power against us, only that they call

666
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,960
themselves democrats and claim that they allow freedom of thought

667
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,679
and of speech. That is nonsense, that is lying, hypocrisy,

668
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:34,360
For in truth, these gentlemen are dictators. If a movement

669
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,000
has a strength to take over government positions of power,

670
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,880
then it has the right to form the government as

671
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:45,239
it wishes. Anyone who disagrees as a foolish theoretician. Politics

672
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,039
is governed not by moral principles, but by power. If

673
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,039
a movement conquers a state, it has the right to

674
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,960
form the state. You can see how these three elements

675
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,360
combine ideals and personalities. The idea leads to a worldview,

676
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,679
the worldviews of the state. Individual becomes a party, The

677
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,400
party becomes the nation. Have you noticed he repeats certain

678
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,440
sentences over.

679
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, a little practical application.

680
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: The important thing is not to find people who agree

681
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,599
with me but every theoretical by with every agree with

682
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,920
me about every theoretical John's hittle. But rather that I

683
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,079
find people who are willing to fight with me for

684
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,599
a worldview, winning people over to something that I have

685
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,880
recognized as right. That is what we call propaganda. At first,

686
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,639
there is knowledge. It uses propaganda to find the manpower

687
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,199
that will transform knowledge into politics. Propaganda stands between the

688
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,400
idea and the worldview, between the worldview and the state,

689
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920
between the individual and the party, between the party and

690
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,480
the nation. That's so good he explains it. I mean,

691
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,159
he explains it that I've read brene Is extensively, and

692
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,000
he explains it so much better than Brenes because Brenees

693
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:03,760
is always hiding.

694
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, nope, this is pretty pretty clear cut, like, yeah,

695
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,000
whatever your revolutionary process is, propaganda is in between all

696
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,320
of the steps in those processes. Makes sense to me.

697
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: At the moment at which I recognize something as important

698
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,679
and begin speaking about it in the street car, I

699
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,920
begin making propaganda at the same time I begin looking

700
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,039
for other people to join me. Propaganda stands between the

701
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,880
one and the many, between the idea and the worldview. There,

702
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,280
he is repeating himself again. Propaganda is nothing other than

703
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,679
the forerunner to organization. Once it has done this, it

704
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,320
is the forerunner to state control. It is always a

705
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,239
means to an end.

706
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,199
Speaker 2: H Yeah, he asked the question earlier. Is propaganda a

707
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,880
means or is it an end? And answers it here.

708
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,639
Speaker 1: Although I must hold unshakably and unalterably of the idea

709
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,519
propaganda adjusts itself to the prevailing conditions.

710
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,559
Speaker 2: Let me ask you again, Yeah, do you think our

711
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,719
our current rulers view propaganda as a means or an.

712
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:15,199
Speaker 1: End at this point? I think it's an end.

713
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah.

714
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: There, it's too it's too clumsy.

715
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

716
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:30,199
Speaker 1: There's nothing. There's rarely anything manipulative about it. It's more

717
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,400
like we know that there's a certain group that when

718
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920
we say this, they're going to believe it no matter what,

719
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,000
and all we care about is that group.

720
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the constant positive reinforcement that you are on the

721
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,559
right side of history, that you are, that you are

722
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,239
a good person, that you are normal, that what you're

723
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:56,360
doing is acceptable. I think that that's that's fuel for

724
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,280
people to go throughout life. Now, I think if you

725
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,039
took that away from a large portion of the population,

726
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,840
they would go insane. If you cut off their serotonin drip,

727
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,800
which is delivered via propaganda, they would literally go insane.

728
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,159
They would fall into a depression.

729
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people on I mean that that is

730
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,480
what ex Twitter is or whatever they're calling it now is.

731
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,440
I mean it is is literally somebody's probably the serotonin drip.

732
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just waiting. It is the and I I

733
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,519
think if if Garbels wasn't German, he could articulate it

734
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:39,679
this way. But the the constant affirmation, like that's that's

735
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:46,519
the serotonin drip, just just chasing after affirmation, and in

736
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,639
particular that's you know, the the e thoughts and just

737
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,840
I guess women in general are more susceptible to that

738
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,280
in my experience, but also I guess young men as well.

739
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: Although I must hold on shakably and unalterably to the idea,

740
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,559
propaganda adjust itself to the prevailing conditions. Propaganda is always flexible.

741
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,400
It says different things here than it does there. It

742
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,119
cannot be polished, laminated, and stuffed. Rather, it must occupy

743
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:18,000
the space between the one and the many good sentence there.

744
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,320
I talk differently on the streetcar with the conductor than

745
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
I do with a businessman. If I did not, the

746
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,519
businessman would think I was crazy, and the streetcar conductor

747
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:30,480
would not understand me. I remember, I forget who said

748
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,559
it that whatever Ron Paul, if Ron Paul spoke to

749
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,119
like college kids, or he spoke to like a group

750
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:41,800
of Muslims, he always like delivered the same message.

751
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: Would that be to his fault or was he just

752
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:46,000
that good?

753
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean, well, I don't know. I mean, I

754
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,519
love Ron Paul, but really what did he change? I mean,

755
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:55,360
I guess there are some things he changed. I guess

756
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,239
you would say that he paved the way for Trump.

757
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that would be. That's how I

758
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,159
would characterize his accomplishments too. Is he definitely planted a

759
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:10,400
dissonance seed that didn't really grow until Trump, and then

760
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,719
it grew exponentially.

761
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, very fast, very fast. If I did not, the

762
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,679
businessman would think I was crazy. In the street car

763
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,239
conductor would not understand me. That means propaganda cannot be limited.

764
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,719
It changes according to whom I am trying to reach.

765
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:27,880
Let me tell you a story about a party member

766
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,960
in Berlin who since nineteen nineteen has promoted the national

767
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,639
Socialist idea. At first, he beat his head bloody against

768
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:39,760
a wall which he wants to avoid. He began by

769
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,880
distributing the wildest anti Semitic publications on the street. He

770
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,440
knew it was bad stuff, but there was nothing better,

771
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:53,480
so he read Book is Me. He knew it was

772
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:55,880
bad stuff, but there was nothing better. So he read

773
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,960
these books or newspapers in the subway. Everyone could see

774
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,400
that he was a harmless crank, And when he stood

775
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,360
up and left his newspapers behind, someone regularly would say, sir,

776
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,320
take your newspaper along with you. He would angrily take

777
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,360
his paper and leave it with a conductor, saying here

778
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,039
German brother, and the conductor certainly thought he came from

779
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:14,760
the nuthouse.

780
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: Many such cases.

781
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Did you hear that somebody walked up to Dave Smith

782
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:26,840
at the Libertarian National Convention in a thong? A guy

783
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,719
walked up in a thong and wanted to debate him

784
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,280
on borders.

785
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:38,119
Speaker 2: I again, I believe that wholeheartedly. I mean.

786
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Put it this way. If somebody walks up to you,

787
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,079
a guy walks up to you in a thong, you,

788
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,559
I don't care who you are, You immediately believe in borders.

789
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you believe there.

790
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,039
Speaker 1: Should be a border between you and that person. I

791
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:55,880
don't care who you are.

792
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: Vigorously enforced.

793
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: He gradually realized that the methods that worked with friends

794
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,840
and comrades did not work with strangers. In other words,

795
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,679
there is no abc a propaganda. One can make propaganda

796
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,480
or one cannot. Propaganda is an art. Any reasonably normal

797
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,920
person can learn to play the violins with a certain degree.

798
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,440
But then his teacher will say, this is as far

799
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,239
as it goes. Only a genius can learn what remains.

800
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,960
You are not a genius, so be content with what

801
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
you have learned. Yes, I can, certainly.

802
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody has a maximum potential, especially in the time

803
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,840
that we're in right now. Recognizing that when somebody has

804
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,599
met their maximum potential and maybe doesn't have a whole

805
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,199
lot to offer anymore, that's part and parcel.

806
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I can certainly teach any reasonable person the absolute basis

807
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,719
of propaganda, but I will soon recognize the limits. One

808
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,440
is either a propagandist or one is not. It is

809
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,960
wrong to look down on a propagandas. There are people

810
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,480
who say a propagandas is merely a good drummer, displays

811
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,119
a certain envy and lack of ability. They are mostly

812
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:08,360
mediocre philosophers whom the masses ignore. You have seen often enough.

813
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,400
No one can deny it that our movement has good speakers.

814
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,519
Since our opponents do not have good speakers, they say, well,

815
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,000
they are only good drummers. Hitler was called the drummer

816
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:21,360
of National Unity for five years. When they realized that

817
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,679
this drummer had ideas that didn't fit into their way

818
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,800
of thinking. He was suddenly a crazy politician who had

819
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,719
to be dealt with. It is foolish to look down

820
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,920
on propagandists. The propagandist has a certain role within the party.

821
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,960
It is good for our young movement that we are

822
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,480
young and lacking in really great leaders, though naturally not

823
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,599
in comparison to other parties. The great leaders we have

824
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,719
cannot stick to a particular area, but must be able

825
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,760
to do everything. They must be propagandists, organizers, speakers, writers, etc.

826
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,599
They must be at organ They must be able to

827
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,719
get along with the people, find money, write articles, and

828
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,519
a lot more. That is why it is wrong to

829
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,840
say that Hitler is merely a drummer. That is what

830
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,840
is great about him and what separates him from everyone else.

831
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,400
He is a politician and also a propagandist. While the

832
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,719
leaders of other parties understand neither politics nor propaganda. You

833
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,199
can see how propaganda relates to the worldview and to

834
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,159
the organization. After we have finished the hard work of

835
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:26,760
moving the idea and the worldview from the individuals to

836
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,440
the masses. Propaganda has the task of taking the knowledge

837
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,719
of the mass and enabling it to take over the state.

838
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,639
Speaker 2: So when I read this, my first thought was, we

839
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:45,519
have the opposite problem. Now, even the lowliest freshman senator

840
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:56,960
has a an overabundance of knowledge of propaganda. And it's

841
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,840
to the point now where if you're above a certain

842
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:05,199
i Q, it just nothing resonates, which is a good

843
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,960
and bad I guess.

844
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,519
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the another problem we have

845
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,920
is that we have a lot of propagandasts out there,

846
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:15,480
and but.

847
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a whole lot of jacks of all trades.

848
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Brene said that you know, you you

849
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,760
wanted the the best is educated just enough so that

850
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,039
they could understand propaganda. That's one of the that's that's

851
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,280
the problem we're at right now, is that we have

852
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,840
a populace that is educated just enough to understand propaganda.

853
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,400
And one thing that the enemy it has done well

854
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,800
is and I think this is done on purpose, and

855
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:54,480
some of them are absolute agents, is they put out

856
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:59,440
quote unquote right wing propaganda, propagandists who have very who

857
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,599
have big plays. Yeah, but they're also gatekeeper. But they're gatekeepers.

858
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:08,280
They're they're meant to not make you notice, or they're

859
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,880
made to not make you go too far to the right.

860
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I've been talking a lot about that on

861
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:21,400
my feed. I am just so disgusted with the last

862
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,360
couple of weeks and even with the last couple months,

863
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,920
because it's you know, I I don't want to say

864
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,519
that our movement should be fractured, but there's definitely some

865
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:38,599
some house cleaning that needs to be done. And yeah,

866
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,800
everybody needs to be hyper aware of when they're being

867
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,360
gas lit.

868
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: Yep. Let me give an example. What good would it

869
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,400
do if everything we know to be right stayed in

870
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,719
our few heads? If you would doubt the rightness of

871
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,960
the idea since they would see that no one was

872
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:02,000
joining them. And if we do not have the people

873
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,079
from the lowliest essay man who distributes newspapers to the

874
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,440
best speaker or the leader of the party, all of

875
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,760
our lovely knowledge would be useless, for only we would

876
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,599
know it, the others would continue their nonsense, and the

877
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,559
German people in the end would perish. And what does

878
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:23,679
this sound like? Propaganda is absolutely necessary, even if it

879
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,400
is only a means to an end. Otherwise the idea

880
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,440
could never take over the state. I must be able

881
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,199
to get what I think important across to many people.

882
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,480
The task of a gifted propagandist is to take that

883
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,360
which many have thought and put it in a way

884
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,440
that reaches everyone, from the educated to the common man.

885
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:43,119
You will all grant me.

886
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: This, so and you know, to apply that to you know,

887
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,440
anything in this country. I think the perfect propagandists would

888
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,199
have to be personable and social, and that is an

889
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,280
increasing rarity nowadays, you know, able to carry a conversation

890
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,360
in real life, able to make whoever they're propagandaze and comfortable,

891
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,559
you know, like like we're having a casual conversation, but

892
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,039
I'm planting seeds in your head, you know what I mean.

893
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,840
I think that that's an art that's becoming rarer and rare,

894
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,719
and maybe maybe maybe we'll be the last generation that

895
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,800
you know, still has a an aptitude for it, you know,

896
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,320
as as as the younger kids get alienated more and more.

897
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,639
That's it's almost by design.

898
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: You will all grant me this. And as further evidence,

899
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,079
I can recall a Hitler speech in Jenna. Half the

900
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:50,280
audience was or Marxists, half students and university professors. I

901
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,199
had a burning desire to speak with both elements. Afterwards,

902
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:55,800
I could see that the university professor and the average

903
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,719
man had understood what Hitler said. That is the greatness

904
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,119
of our movement that it can use language to reach

905
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:04,599
the broad masses. Of course, the style will vary according

906
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:07,719
to the speaker. It would be a big mistake to

907
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,239
expect everyone to treat the idea in the same way.

908
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:12,960
For as great as it is, so different are the

909
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,880
individuals who are to be reached by it. You will

910
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,239
surely hear some people say that they like one speaker

911
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,360
while others prefer another. It would be a mistake to

912
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,400
try to make the soft spoken speaker into a thundering orator,

913
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,039
or a thundering orator into a soft spoken chap Neither

914
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:34,199
would accomplish anything. The soft spoken speaker would never reach

915
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,639
the heart no matter how hard he tried, nor would

916
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,400
the thundering orator succeed in speaking quietly. Everyone would go

917
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,360
home dissatisfied. The bigger our movement gets, the more kinds

918
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,320
of people it can house, and each will reflect the

919
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,159
movement a little differently. No two things in God's world

920
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:54,559
are alike. Everything is a little different. Thus one person

921
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:56,599
reflects things differently than another.

922
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: That's that max potential thing coming up Again.

923
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: As propaganda draws an ever growing following to the idea,

924
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,199
the idea broadens because it becomes more flexible. It no

925
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,159
longer stays in a few heads, but wants to include everything.

926
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,760
At that moment, it becomes a comprehensive program. We can

927
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,599
happily see that that in the case in our movement,

928
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,320
you will never find millions of people willing to die

929
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,639
for a book, But millions of people are willing to

930
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,360
die for a gospel. And our movement is becoming more

931
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,000
and more a gospel. All that we have comes to know,

932
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,239
all that we have come to know in our individual

933
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,199
lives is joining to form a great faith that lives

934
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,280
unshakably in our hearts. Each of us is willing, if necessary,

935
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,320
to give his all for it. No one is willing

936
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,039
to die for the eight hour day. People are willing

937
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,039
to die so that so Germans will be so that

938
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:54,239
Germany will belong to Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophets.

939
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: What nobody's willing to die for an eight hour day?

940
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,039
That I don't know if that applies to nowadays. Yeah,

941
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,320
just want a grill man.

942
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,519
Speaker 1: But people are willing to die so that Germany will

943
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:13,119
belong to the Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophesied in nineteen

944
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,639
nineteen is becoming clearer every day, freedom and prosperity. The

945
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:21,320
movement is increasingly freeing itself from from the all to

946
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:25,519
human and becoming a powerful force. The time is coming

947
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:28,119
when people will not ask us what we think about

948
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,880
the eight hour day, but rather when Germany is seized

949
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,760
with desperation, they will ask can you give us fit

950
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,280
back faith? If a movement has brought the idea from

951
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,440
the individual to a worldview, building in the end a

952
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,400
clear gospel for which each is ready to die, that

953
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,000
movement is near victory. That does not happen in the study,

954
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,760
but rather in battle, in bitter battle each day, with

955
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,320
the enemy bringing him to see how he has led

956
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,920
the nation down the wrong path. I must say that

957
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,960
I learned the most from reading the Berlin or Tajeblat,

958
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,119
a newspaper hostel to the Nazis. That is a fine

959
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:07,800
example of the Jews at work. From the Jewish standpoint,

960
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,760
I've never noted a single mistake, whereas the nationalist papers

961
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,679
make mistakes all the time.

962
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: Huh.

963
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,559
Speaker 1: It's like it's like your enemy understands you better than

964
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,840
you understand your enemy. That's not good.

965
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Yep, credit work do yeah.

966
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: I now want to outline the essential characteristics of propaganda.

967
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,119
We have already agreed that propaganda is not an end

968
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,559
in itself, but it means to an end. Its task

969
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,320
is to spread the knowledge of national socialism to the

970
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,320
people or to a part of the people. If propaganda

971
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,199
does that, it is good. If not, it is bad.

972
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,320
The German nationalists claim that Hitler's propaganda before nine November

973
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,239
nineteen twenty three was too loud, too noisy, too popular.

974
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,199
Hitlery replied, Munich must become national socialists. If I achieve

975
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,639
that my propaganda and it will have been good. If

976
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,840
I had wanted to make you happy, it would have

977
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,360
been bad, but that was not my intention. You cannot

978
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,440
evaluate propaganda in mid course, but rather you have to

979
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,320
wait until it reaches it Samaker's goal. You cannot say

980
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,679
that our propaganda was wrong because the government banned it.

981
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:22,039
That is false under Jewish police officials, our propaganda would

982
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,119
be wrong if it were not banned, for that means

983
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:28,320
it would be hard. For that means it would be harmless.

984
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,320
The fact that it yeah, the fact that it is banned,

985
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,039
is the best evidence that we are dangerous. If the

986
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,679
ban is lifted, do not come to me and say

987
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:40,679
that the Jew has seen the error of his ways.

988
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,079
It will be lifted when the Jew sees that it

989
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:48,000
is not achieving his purpose. You can say what you want.

990
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,559
The Jew will put away his dagger only when he

991
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:53,159
sees that it is better not to use it against

992
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,119
propaganda method or when he sees that the dagger has

993
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:57,400
already done its duty.

994
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's h another salient point. If you're you know,

995
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:07,920
if if you're not getting banned, if you're not getting

996
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:13,559
put on a list, if you're not getting punished in

997
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:17,639
some way, shape or form, then you're not saying anything

998
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,880
that's that's in any way a threat. Yeah.

999
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: I was at an event, small event a couple of

1000
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:34,239
weeks ago, and somebody told me that Tim Poole was

1001
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,719
a dissonant. And I didn't laugh. All I said, all

1002
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,199
I asked was to dissonance make a million dollars a month.

1003
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good metric. Yeah, what income bracket? What

1004
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,079
what tax bracket is he in?

1005
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? And no answer the h.

1006
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think a good thing to promulgate nowadays is

1007
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,760
that the methods with which bands are are dolled out

1008
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,760
is via algorithm. So if you can find a way

1009
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,559
to hack that, and you know whether it's via via

1010
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,920
language or more more technical methods, Uh, use that too

1011
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,840
if you can. If you can pierce pierce through the

1012
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,920
uh the safety mechanism, do it. I have. I'll tell

1013
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,480
you right now. I use a text obfuscator. Just Google

1014
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:38,239
text obfuscator, then type in whatever you want and uh,

1015
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,599
you can even change the letters come out in some

1016
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:43,400
weird script, but uh, you can change the letters to

1017
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,719
look normal. And it's so far, so good. I've never

1018
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,480
even gotten a warning, and I post some pretty hainous ship.

1019
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: You do, I like it?

1020
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I've I've I've gotten banned off Twitter

1021
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,159
five times, like five new accounts, and I've had this

1022
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:04,159
one for a while now. And I credit the text obfuscator.

1023
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,639
Speaker 1: All right. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not

1024
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:13,360
a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners.

1025
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,400
It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.

1026
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,719
I do not care if I give wonderful, esthetically elegant

1027
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:27,079
speeches or speak so that women cry. The point of

1028
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,760
a political speech is to persuade people of what we

1029
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,039
think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I

1030
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,519
do in Berlin. And why I speak in Beyruth. I

1031
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,920
think that's Beyruth. I say different things than I say

1032
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,400
in the forest hall a meeting hall. The nazis often

1033
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,079
used in Berlin. That is a matter of practice, not

1034
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,880
of theory. We do not want to be a movement

1035
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,559
of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that

1036
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:56,079
can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not

1037
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,440
intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to

1038
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,679
discover in intellectual truths. I found them by thinking, or

1039
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:05,880
at my desk anywhere, but in a meeting hall that

1040
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,559
is where I transmit them. I did not enter the

1041
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:11,840
meeting hall to discover intellectual truths, but to persuade others

1042
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,360
of what I think to be right. I learned methods

1043
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,079
there that I can use to reach others with what

1044
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,800
I have found to be right. The speaker of propagandists

1045
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,159
must first understand the idea. He cannot do that in

1046
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:26,920
the middle of making propaganda. He must start with it.

1047
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,239
Through daily contact with the masses. He learns how to

1048
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:34,320
communicate that idea. It is not the task of propaganda

1049
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,400
to discover knowledge, but to transmit knowledge, it must adjust

1050
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:41,400
to those it wishes to reach with that knowledge. The

1051
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,559
Propagandas's speeches or posters that are aimed at farmers will

1052
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,840
be different than those aimed at employers. Those aimed at

1053
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,039
doctors will be different than those aimed at patients. He

1054
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,599
will adjust as propaganda to fit those he is speaking to.

1055
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,760
You can see that all the critical standards used by

1056
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,400
other parties to evaluate propaganda missed the point, and that

1057
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,559
most complaints about the NSCAP is propaganda result from a

1058
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,320
false understanding of propaganda. If someone tells me your propaganda

1059
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,000
has no civilized standards, I know there is no point

1060
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:16,679
in even talking to him. It makes no difference if

1061
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:19,559
propaganda is at a high level. The question is whether

1062
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:22,360
it reaches goal. My first goal when I came to

1063
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,440
Berlin was to make the city aware of us. They

1064
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,639
could love us or hate us, as long as they

1065
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:30,079
knew who we were. We have reached that goal.

1066
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:31,199
Speaker 2: He's a wrestling heel.

1067
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,719
Speaker 1: We have reached that goal. We are hated and loved.

1068
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,800
When someone hears the term national socialists, he does not

1069
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,000
ask what is that? Once we have reached a first goal.

1070
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:46,400
We can work on turning hate to love and love

1071
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,960
to hate, but never to indifference. The battle against indifference

1072
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:56,159
is the hardest battle. That's I mean, it's so true. Yeah,

1073
01:04:57,159 --> 01:04:58,400
it's just so true.

1074
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,079
Speaker 2: If you can evoke an emotion response, what what that

1075
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:07,960
emotion is doesn't matter, it's it's in their heads and

1076
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,320
there may sometimes you can get people to do your

1077
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,599
propaganizing for you.

1078
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if it's negative just bying.

1079
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, your interactions with your detractors probably convert more people,

1080
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,199
you know, to to taking the next step and watching

1081
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,320
an episode when when you when you really hammer some

1082
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,360
dumb shit on X, like, that's probably just as effective

1083
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,000
at you know, getting them to the next level.

1084
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,719
Speaker 1: People will ask you if you're like arguing with an

1085
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,199
account that is, like, why are you arguing with an

1086
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:47,880
account that has ten followers. I'm not arguing with the

1087
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,760
account for the sake of the for the the account

1088
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,039
with ten followers. I'm arguing with the account for the

1089
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:55,199
people who are watching.

1090
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm publicly crushing somebody that I know has a

1091
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:03,360
relatively common view and letting it be known to everybody

1092
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,280
that you know might be on the fence.

1093
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, when you have thousands and thousands, tens of

1094
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,800
thousands of followers you have. There are followers who never comment.

1095
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,800
There are people who just lurk, and they lurk all day,

1096
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,280
never comment. That's who you're doing it for. Yep, you're

1097
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,239
doing it for the people who are watching what you're doing,

1098
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:33,039
who are watching your account. I hate when someone comes

1099
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,639
in and goes, why are you arguing with them? Why

1100
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:37,440
do you keep retweeting them? Why do you keep retweeting me?

1101
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:41,679
I only have ten followers? Yeah, shut up, Yeah, shut up.

1102
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,119
Speaker 2: If you can get a couple people to dip their

1103
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,760
toe in the water, then take it. Take it from there.

1104
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Just why am I retweeting an account with ten followers? Just

1105
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,519
be a useful idiot and just let me retweet your account.

1106
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,079
Speaker 2: Yep.

1107
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: The battling incident. There may be two million people in

1108
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,159
this city who hate my guts, who persecute and slander me.

1109
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:09,559
But I know that I can win over some of them.

1110
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,840
We know that from experience. Some of those who persecuted

1111
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,159
us and fought most bitterly against us are today our

1112
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,440
most determined supporters. You see that the important thing for

1113
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:21,679
propaganda is that it reaches its goal, and that it

1114
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,119
is a mistake to apply critical standards that are irrelevant.

1115
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,400
Let me give another example. If someone asked me what

1116
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,400
I think of another person, is it's silly for me

1117
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,519
to say I like him, but he cannot play the piano.

1118
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,280
The answer will be, so what he is a corporate lawyer.

1119
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,639
Why don't you see if he is good at what

1120
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:42,719
he does. That is a good answer, and it applies

1121
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,199
just as well to propaganda. Our propaganda follows a clear line.

1122
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,079
Adolf Hitler once told me that it is not necessary

1123
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:53,960
to give a programmatic speech to a public meeting. The

1124
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,119
public meeting requires the most primitive approach. If the fine

1125
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:01,639
gentleman say, you're only a proper gun, the answer is this.

1126
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:05,079
Was Christ any different? Did he not make more? But

1127
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,800
did he not make propaganda? Did he write books or

1128
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,840
did he preach? Was Mohammed any different? Did he write

1129
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,159
learned essays or did he go to the people and

1130
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:15,639
say what he wanted to say? Were not Buddha and

1131
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:19,880
Zarathustra propagandis true? The philosophers of the French Revolution built

1132
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,319
their intellectual foundations. But who got things moving? Robes, Pierre

1133
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,279
Danton and the others. Did these men write books or

1134
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,760
did they speak in popular meetings? Look around today? Is

1135
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,159
Mussolini more an author or a great speaker? When Lenin

1136
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,239
took the train from Zurich to Petersburg, did he repair,

1137
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,319
did he repair to his study and write a book?

1138
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,520
Or did he speak to thousands? Bascism and Bolshevism were

1139
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,359
built by great speakers, by masters of the spoken word.

1140
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,199
There is no difference between the politician and the speaker.

1141
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:57,039
History proves that great politicians were always great speakers. Napoleon Caesar, Alexander, Mussolini, Lenin,

1142
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,479
name whomever you want. They were all great speakers and

1143
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,640
great organizers. If a person combines rhetorical talent, organizational ability,

1144
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,720
and philosophical ability, if he has the ability to transmit

1145
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,600
knowledge and to gather people under his banner, then he

1146
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:12,720
is a brilliant statesman.

1147
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

1148
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: And that's why we don't have any statesman. We don't

1149
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:19,079
you know who that is.

1150
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 2: Right there right now, Kelly, Yeah, yep.

1151
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and really yeah, and really he is, Like his

1152
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:34,880
philosophical ability is I mean, it really comes it comes

1153
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,199
out more when he's questioned.

1154
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, especially by a hostile party. Yeah, he

1155
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,199
is the master of replying to his detractors and just

1156
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:56,279
strengthening himself. Yeah, there's a Massachusetts representative that he just

1157
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:02,399
got BTFO by bu Kelly. Oh yeah, I saw that,

1158
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:07,119
something about like moving, like relocating a painting in an airport.

1159
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,199
He's like, yeah, we moved it two feet and like

1160
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:11,119
shut up.

1161
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, laconic phrases. All right, if someone tells me

1162
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,000
today you're a demagogue, I answer him in this way.

1163
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,359
Demagoguy in the good sense is simply the ability to

1164
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:27,920
get the masses to understand what I want them to understand.

1165
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,399
Of course I can adjust to the feelings of the

1166
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:34,680
broad masses, which is demagoguy in the bad sense. Then

1167
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,920
I change not only the form of what I say,

1168
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:41,079
but also the content. You cannot tell me that things

1169
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:45,840
have changed. Formerly, speakers built movements. Today we live in

1170
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,199
the age of the press, and it is the writers

1171
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:52,479
who are influential. This theory is obviously false. Of course

1172
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,880
the press is important, but if you examine well written editorials,

1173
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,680
they turn out to be speeches in disguise. The Marxist

1174
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,399
did not win through their editorials, but rather because each

1175
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:07,359
Marxist editorial was a little propaganda speech. They were written

1176
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:10,520
by agitators. They sat in their offices or in their

1177
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,640
smoke filled bars, writing not elegant, intellectual and polished essays,

1178
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,159
but rather brutal direct words with the average which the

1179
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:19,920
average man understand.

1180
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:26,119
Speaker 2: We have a litany of those right now, But all

1181
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:34,439
I can think of is BuzzFeed. Wait, what did he say?

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They were written by agitators, they sat in their offices

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or in their cum filled rooms.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, probably do have some great propaganda's coomers. Yea, that

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is why the masses devoured the Red Press. We must

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learn from their example. Marxism did not win because it

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had great profits. They had none one because its nonsense

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was promoted by agitators of the ability of August, August

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Bebel and Lenin. They led Marxism to victory. If the

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Volcish movement had had such agitators at its disposal, its

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stronger intellectual foundations would surely have let it to victory.

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Some critics complain, all you do is criticize. You only

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complain you can't do things any better yourselves. Does this

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sound familiar at all? As anybody ever said.

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Speaker 2: That to you?

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Speaker 1: Love it like once a day, once a day. Others

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say that the angriff Gerbel's newspaper in Berlin is entirely negative.

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Say something positive for a change. Well, I am not

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in a position to say anything positive about Isidor weis,

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the Jewish vice chief of police in Berlin and a

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regular Gerbels target. I can only be negative, and there

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is nothing positive I can say about the Republic. There

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is nothing positive about it. I can say something positive

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when I eliminate the negative. The most brilliant statementsman on

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earth could do nothing with this Republic, and Marxism preached

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only the negative for sixty years. The result was that

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it took over the state eighth on ninth November nineteen eighteen.

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Hitler once said, keep those no at alls who always

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want to do something positive away from me. We could

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do something positive only when we have first gotten rid

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of the negative. A leader does not emerged from a

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conference table. He develops from the masses.

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Speaker 2: And the.

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Speaker 1: More a true leader rises from the masses, the more

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he draws the masses to him. The mass is the weak, cowardly,

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01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:43,319
lazy majority of people. One can never entirely win the

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01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:46,399
broad mass. The best elements from the mass must be

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put in a form where they can be victorious. That

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is the task of a brilliant mind. Yep, we thank fate. Yeah, crucible,

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we thank fate that it has given us one of

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these minds, a mind superior to all others, whom we

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willingly serve. That is to prove that we will win

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if others find their wisdom and majority rule. But a

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movement is led by one person, that movement will win

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when it wins. Is when it wins is irrelevant. It

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will win because that is the way things are. Look around,

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as much as you want, you will everywhere see our

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:29,279
movements intellectual foundations. The task of the leaders and the

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01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:32,239
followers is to drive this knowledge ever deeper into the

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hearts of our shattered nation. Each must make that clear.

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Each must think things through. Everything we do must be clear.

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We will never give up. If everything is clear. One

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does not have to be an outstanding speaker. If he

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can say it all in a few words, he is

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a propagandist. If we have an army of such propagandas

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from the littlest to the fear himself, and if each

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spreads our crystal clear knowledge to the masses, day will

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come which our worldview takes over the state. When our

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organization seizes the reigns of power when we will know

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when we are no longer members of a slave colony,

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but rather citizens of a political state that we ourselves

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have formed. That is our task on this planet to

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create the foundation on which our people can live. When

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we do that, the nation will create works of culture

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that will endure the eons, endure for eons in world history.

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Speaker 2: All right, I agree with everything you said.

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Speaker 1: Really, is there anything? Is there anything in there that

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that you sill combridge with.

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Speaker 2: Little quibbles here and there? Yeah? Was? Uh? Was was

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Gebel's Catholic?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was. I don't know how

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he is.

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,359
Speaker 2: Some weird German offshoot of Protestantism.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it says?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I was early life. Buh. Both of his

1257
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parents were Roman Catholics with modest family backgrounds. Yeah. What's

1258
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funny is Gerbels does definitely look German, but he could

1259
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also like pass for Sicilian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looks a little bit too self German.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, South Italian, south of the boot like way south.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean when when I read this, all I

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could think is, wow, we have a we have a

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long way to go. If well, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's also one of the problems with having people

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who are a little too smart, because it's like, okay,

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so if you speak in very plain language, if you

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use propaganda, that is what does someone tell me today

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it was what you just posted was rage bait. I

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don't think what I posted was rage bait. I am well,

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I mean it may have been.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You tell me, is it propaganda? I'll find it. I

1274
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mean it's yeah, I get accused of that all the time,

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but I think you know, when you're talking about when

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you're talking about power and really how how power is

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supposed to work and how power will actually work, then

1278
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you know it's.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Jake Shields, you know, Jake Shields m a guy. Yeah,

1281
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and and huge noticer. Yeah, he said, uh, I guess

1282
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,279
speaking about Trump, he said, conservatives try to be fair,

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while liberals imprison their political rivals at all costs. This

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is why conservatives always lose. They need to learn to

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fight dirty or keep on losing. This isn't how America

1286
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,960
should be. But I don't see any other alternative. Yeah,

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it's my but.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a natural proclivity of you know, your

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01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:22,520
your garden variety conservative to respect legitimate authority, and you know,

1290
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the the courthouse yesterday was a legitimate authority. And that's

1291
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why today there's no demonstrations. There's just you know, Fox

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News panelist screaming into the TV and uh, you know,

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a bunch of people mad online.

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Speaker 1: What you needed to see today was a planned effort

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01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:50,560
well in advance of Republican areas of people, Republican DA's

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things like people like that arresting Democrat politicians locally, okay.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, like this has always been a possibility,

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and then come July eleventh, during the sentencing, it is

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a possibility that he will go to jail and then

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what like there's we're not even getting to the step

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that talks about organization, Like we're way so far removed

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from any type of will to activism or or or

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anything like that. And because you're a fed now if

1304
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if you talk about that, you're a fed yeh. Which

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is why it's so important that there is a real

1306
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:37,079
life component that to meet people that you know, share

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01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:40,520
a common view with you and propagandize. You know that

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that might be done through propaganda, is a propaganda or

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it might just be like, you know, you happen to

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meet somebody that has already been propagandized successfully and in

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:58,399
whatever your worldview is. But go outside people banking, you

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go outside, go to the go to the bar, go

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to I don't know, like meet people.

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Speaker 1: That talks with people. So my response to my rage

1315
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,560
bait response, as it was called was to Jake was

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,640
politics as friend enemy, simple as how do you treat

1317
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,960
your enemies when you get power over them? And then enclosed,

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,319
I went, oh, but my morals, Fuck your morals they

1319
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:30,439
want you dead? Yeah, yep, I mean is can that

1320
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be considered hyperbolic? Very? Is it true?

1321
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Speaker 2: Are are they willing to die for their morals? Because

1322
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that's something we can work with, but we know that

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they're not, which is why they don't have any potential.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just click it, man.

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Speaker 2: They get ten cents of click, just click.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything else you got to say about this?

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Speaker 2: No, just feeling particularly jaded and yeah, I me and

1328
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me and Bird just recorded an episode that we don't

1329
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really know if we should release because we spoke very

1330
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frankly about some subjects that came up in in this episode.

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Speaker 1: Ah well, I mean, if you don't really. If you

1332
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,600
don't release it, just please share it with me.

1333
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Speaker 2: Oh I will. Yeah, I'm sure Bird will have no

1334
01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:28,760
problem with that. Okay, and then you release it because

1335
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I want to.

1336
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Speaker 1: Go to do your first bt w A in what

1337
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:37,039
two years?

1338
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's coming anytime now. I think I'm interview

1339
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,319
rebrand though, are you? Yeah? Rolling around ideas.

1340
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Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. It'd be good to see you

1341
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,560
putting out some material. I know you work your ass

1342
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:59,199
off though, so I guess we gave half the plugs

1343
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,239
already so you can finish doing whatever you do.

1344
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at BTWA Underscore

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01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,760
Returns and every week on Timeline Earth.

1346
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,239
Speaker 1: I love every time you said that every week.

1347
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Speaker 2: All right, man, thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yep, of course