1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,839 Speaker 1: If you've had a Bigfoot siding and I would like 2 00:00:02,879 --> 00:00:06,080 to be a guest, please go to bigfootewitness dot com 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:06,919 and let me know. 4 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: My name is Tim. I currently live in Florida. I 5 00:00:13,199 --> 00:00:17,239 was born and raised in northeast Pennsylvania. Grew up in 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:23,519 the mountains, hunting, fishing, trapping. I basically naturally I fit 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,160 right into the infantry. I joined the infantry at a 8 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:31,519 young age and I ended up at Fort Carson, Colorado, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,600 right up against the Rocky Mountains. It sits right in 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,439 front of No Rad or Cheyenne Missile Mountain Complex. I 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,840 was basically stationed there for a few years. We would 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,320 pull guard duty on various points ammunition storage point in 13 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:56,399 this instance, and those are typically a warehouse full ammunition. 14 00:00:57,399 --> 00:00:59,719 They keep them away from the main part of the 15 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:03,240 base and put a big barm around on me and 16 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:09,040 someone has to guard those at night. So we had 17 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,920 a blizzard come through, I could not take the We'd 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,599 normally go in a jeep and just do laps around 19 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:20,319 this building. Couldn't do that this particular evening because of 20 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:26,799 a blizzard. So my secondary mos I was a toe gunner, 21 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:31,799 which is a missile guided anti tank system that we 22 00:01:31,879 --> 00:01:37,079 had mounted on armor personnel carriers, so snow was too 23 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:43,319 deep for the jeep. So I drove my ITV out 24 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:47,120 to this ammunition storage point and I was able to 25 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:50,120 park up on top of the barm and sit inside 26 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:55,519 the warm vehicle and look around. Basically, I had infrared 27 00:01:55,959 --> 00:02:01,719 on my vehicle that I was very familiar with, and 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,519 I could see any wildlife. I use this system in 29 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,759 Death Valley for desert training, and I'd watch coyotes at 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,560 night and troops and you could see a mouse a 31 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,759 mile away with these things that just happened to be 32 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,240 sitting there looking around. And because of that location where 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,639 it sits right next to No Rad, it's basically no 34 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:28,599 man's land. People are not allowed to go there. Our 35 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,159 base is there blocking it. You even go up there, 36 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:37,319 they'll shoot you. They don't even ask. So I'm looking 37 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:43,280 across the ammunition storage point and past that building big 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,319 ridge just south of No Rad, and I picked up 39 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:53,199 three heat signatures, so I zoomed in. And you know, 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,280 growing up in the seventies didn't hear much about Bigfoot 41 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:01,479 or early eighties, so we didn't have internet, didn't have 42 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,000 cell phones, didn't have none of that, so never really 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,599 thought bigfoot, so I zoom in on these three heat signatures. 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,479 The first thing I noticed is they didn't have clothes on. 45 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,599 And from looking at troops, I could tell you could 46 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,360 see different gear carries, different temperatures. You could see clothing, 47 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:28,039 you could see hats, helmets. With what I was looking at, 48 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:32,439 it was the same as a coyote. It was all natural. 49 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,319 You could tell it didn't have anything on. They were naked. 50 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,080 This is in the middle of a blizzard, middle of 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,840 the winter, Colorado Springs in no man's land, where people 52 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:47,360 are not allowed to go. So I watched the adult male. 53 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:49,919 I think it was the biggest one. He stayed at 54 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,439 the tree line on the ridge, and I think it 55 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,520 was a female was smaller. She was probably seven feet tall, 56 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,319 I'd say six hundred pounds. She came out with a juvenile. 57 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,960 Juvenile was probably four feet tall, maybe one hundred and 58 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,599 fifty pounds, and the small one was playing in the snow, 59 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,800 and the mother was just standing there watching it. She 60 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,160 would squat down and then stand back up. And father 61 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,879 he just stood in a tree line looking around like 62 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,639 he was on guard duty. And I'm about a half 63 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:28,439 a mile from these things, but I'm zoomed in, I 64 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:31,680 can see them perfectly. I know for a fact they 65 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,480 had no idea I was sitting there watching them. I 66 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,160 watched them for about fifteen minutes until they all walked 67 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,360 back into the woods and back down over the ridge 68 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:47,560 the other side and just totally disappeared. After guard duty, 69 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279 I ran into the officer of the day and I 70 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,399 mentioned it to him, and he said, yeah, we have 71 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,600 anomalies out there. He said, we just tend to keep 72 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:04,199 those to ourselves, okay, and didn't think nothing of it, 73 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:06,759 you know, So I thought, oh, that's pretty interesting. I 74 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,519 had my first big foot sighting, and years later I 75 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,360 moved to Florida. After I got out of the service, 76 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:21,959 I was driving from Silver Springs in Okaala back down 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,360 to Wikiwatchee and it was about four in the morning, 78 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:30,879 and there was a guy right behind me in a 79 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,360 pickup truck. He was following me. We were running about 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:39,519 fifty very rural road. It's kind of swampy on one side, 81 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:46,439 and this thing, you know, I'm always conscious of deer, 82 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,560 and there here running out in front of your cars. 83 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,480 So all I see is something black coming out of 84 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,279 the woods on my right hand side, and I'm in 85 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:02,920 a big sweeping right hand turn basically hit my brakes 86 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,360 right away. I glanced the mirror make sure the guy 87 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:07,839 behind me was going to be able to stop, because 88 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:10,360 I didn't want to hit was whatever was coming out 89 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,879 onto the road, and so I stopped very abruptly. And 90 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,759 all I could say is this. It was right in 91 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:25,920 front of my driver headlight my truck. I had my 92 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,279 high beams on because I was a lead vehicle, and 93 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,920 this thing he could have reached his arm out and 94 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,439 literally touched the end of my hood. He was within 95 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,519 arm's reach of my truck, directly in front of the 96 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,879 high beam. And I was fully stopped by this point, 97 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,480 and I just I about fell out of my seat 98 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,920 because it kind of reminded me of an orangutan in 99 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:55,600 a way, but it was about five hundred pounds. It 100 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,800 was not on two feet, it was on four using 101 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,000 its hands. It had hands. It didn't have feet in 102 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,319 the front, had hands, and I mean it literally turned 103 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,879 its head looked right at me. I made eye contact 104 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,480 with this thing for like five seconds, and it was 105 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,279 like the meanest, nastiest looking thing I've ever seen. But 106 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,040 what really hit me was how fast this thing was moving. 107 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,040 I've never in my life. And I've seen bear and 108 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,120 deer and moos and you name it, I've seen it, 109 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 and I know how fast they run. And this thing 110 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:40,120 was just and it looked so effortless. It just blew 111 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:46,439 my mind. His face and how fast he was. It 112 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,519 just it floored me because I had such a good view, 113 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:56,759 such a clear he was right there, lit up. I 114 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,160 could see him plain as day. So it clears the 115 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,160 road into the bush and I'm just my mouth hanging 116 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,040 open by myself. I look in my side mirror and 117 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:11,120 I noticed the guy behind me got out of his 118 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,480 truck and he's coming up to my truck. And I 119 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,879 opened the door and stepped out, and he was a 120 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,879 country boy. I don't know who his name. Never got 121 00:08:21,879 --> 00:08:25,079 that far with him, but he looked at me and 122 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,680 he said, and I quote with this country twang. He goes, 123 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,000 did you see that? And I said yeah, And he 124 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,720 said it first. He says that was a bigfoot, and 125 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:41,080 I was like, yeah, oh, I think you're absolutely correct. 126 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:48,159 And he was just in shock too. And the first 127 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,399 thing I noticed, I didn't hear it going through the brush. 128 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,360 It should have been like at the speed it was going, 129 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,919 I should have been listening to this thing crashing off 130 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,720 through the woods trying to get away, and I couldn't 131 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:05,320 hear anything. It was dead quiet. So it dawned on 132 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:08,440 me right away and him that this thing must have 133 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,679 stopped as soon as it made the woods and was 134 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,360 probably looking at us. He didn't say a word. He 135 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,679 turned around and literally ran for his truck, and I 136 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:21,440 just jumped right back in mind. I closed the door, 137 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,000 I watched to make sure he made it to his truck, 138 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:28,639 and then I just pulled out and hauled it. That 139 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:32,000 thing was every bit of five hundred pounds on all 140 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,159 fours and it had to be doing forty mile an 141 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,879 hour when it crossed the road. It was just hauling 142 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,799 and so fluid. It was just like no effort. No, 143 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,639 it was confident. It knew it was going to make it. 144 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:54,960 But it was scary looking. It was matted black, looked 145 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:02,279 like dreadlocks, just absolutely horrible. And the look on his 146 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,720 face like it would kill you, it would have no 147 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,320 problem doing it either, And it had such a mean 148 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,440 look on its face. I thought I would never want 149 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,639 to run into that in a bush without having a 150 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:19,360 gun with me, because it would kill you. It could 151 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,879 be on you, so fast, you wouldn't even probably have 152 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,679 a chance, Pul, you're gonnaut. It just mind blowing how 153 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:32,480 fast it was, and that really affected me and stuck 154 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,559 with me. It still does. I could see it's face 155 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,320 every time I want just picture it in my mind, 156 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:42,200 I could. And it was the scariest thing I've ever 157 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,480 seen by far, and I don't get scared easy to 158 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,440 be an ex military. I've seen a lot of things 159 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,360 and I usually don't get fearful, and this would put 160 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:02,240 the fear of God in anybody. So a few years later, 161 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,240 you know, I've the Internet came out cell phones, so 162 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,519 I was able to start doing a lot of research 163 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:17,679 and gathering information and started paying more attention. So one 164 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:21,840 year here I noticed deer were getting pushed out of 165 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:27,720 a certain area when they never did before, and I 166 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:31,399 knew something was causing it because they were actually going 167 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,000 out on a four lane highway and getting killed and 168 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,080 they never did that for years and years and years, 169 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,440 they never did it. So some I knew a prey 170 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:42,559 animal was pushing them out. So I would go into 171 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:48,720 this area ands I found tracks, big tracks had a 172 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,720 day sighting of the best way to describe it was 173 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,279 she looked it was a female because I had breasts 174 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:03,200 and it looked exactly like ddy. I watched her walk 175 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,080 away from me. She probably walked forty yards through a 176 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,240 pine savannah plain as day. I could see her the 177 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,440 whole way until she made about forty feet and then 178 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:17,639 she cut left into the woods. But she was every 179 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,200 bit of probably seven and a half eight feet tall, 180 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:27,360 light brown, I would say, she was younger to middle age, 181 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:35,440 very healthy looking, big strides, and she knew I was 182 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,879 looking at her, and she just like she didn't care 183 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,679 at all, and she just for forty yards walked straight 184 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:45,279 right through this open area right in front of me, 185 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,080 bangs left into the trees she goes. So I really 186 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,279 got hooked then. And being that we can go online 187 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,879 now and join different groups, I've actually joined a few 188 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,519 different bigfoot groups. I ran into a guy that asked 189 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,919 online if anybody goes to Chazowitzka, and I said, yeah, 190 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,519 I actually do. I said, I live near there. So 191 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:17,639 we have a big wildlife management area called Chazowitzka. It's 192 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,200 on the Gulf Coast north of Tampa, and it's remote 193 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,200 and it's huge. So I asked the gentleman, I said yeah, 194 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,000 I said, I go in there a lot. I said, 195 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:30,960 there's a lot of bear in there and other things. 196 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,000 You got to be careful. And I asked him why 197 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:37,759 and he said, well, his mom keeps hearing them behind 198 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:39,960 her house, like at three and four in the morning. 199 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:43,080 He said, his mom gets up real early and likes 200 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,440 to sit on the lunai. That she keeps hearing these 201 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,919 bigfoots behind her house talking and hitting trees. And she 202 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,879 said they're communicating, They're talking back and forth. She said, 203 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:58,360 it sound like gibberish. This is what she told her son. 204 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,639 But it scared her enough that she was calling her 205 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,120 son saying, I want to put the house on the market, 206 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,159 sell the house a move. And he asked her why, 207 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,840 and because I keep hearing these bigfoots behind the house 208 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:15,600 every night and it's scaring me. So I asked him 209 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:19,279 for the address, and he threw me her address. And 210 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:25,120 it wasn't really in Chazowitzka. It was just south of Chazowitzka, 211 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:28,080 but it backed right up to the area where I 212 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:32,720 had seen my female and found a lot of footprints. 213 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:37,399 So her backyard is actually backs up to a swampy 214 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,200 area and I tend to come in the other way, 215 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,000 and so I've been going in there for a few 216 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:50,159 years now, and i've they'll pace me. I've actually caught 217 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:56,120 a juvenile young male following me where I found the 218 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,639 twenty two ins track. I usually come through that area. 219 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,639 They know we're out there. You're not going to catch them. 220 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:05,080 You're not going to sneak up on them, so I 221 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:08,559 basically announce myself. I go to the same spot when 222 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:11,720 I go out. I know they go there because I 223 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,799 found tracks there, so I'll announce myself and I usually 224 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:19,600 like to leave apples up in trees for them, and 225 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:22,919 then I typically i'll go out the same direction, go 226 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,039 a different direction when I go out, and I had 227 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,320 a juvenile this past winter. I basically you have to 228 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,240 be quick with them. They are so sneaky that as 229 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,440 I walk, I'll turn around or sometimes I'll actually wear 230 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,600 my body camera on my back because I think they 231 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:45,600 like to follow more than be up ahead of you anywhere. 232 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:50,399 But I turn around a lot. So I just happened 233 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,879 to be going through a field and meadow area. I 234 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,240 did a quick turnaround and caught one going from the 235 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,840 trees across the little opening to some other trees. So 236 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,879 he was following me all the way, and I think 237 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:07,360 they do that for the apples. They know I'm gonna 238 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:11,679 leave apples out there. But as soon as he's seen 239 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:14,240 me turn around and look at him too, he dropped 240 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,440 right down on all fours and went right behind some trees. 241 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:20,120 And and he knew it too. He was being sneaky. 242 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:24,919 But I think they do go down on all fours 243 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,919 a lot more than people think. They're not always fully upright. 244 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,279 I think they move really well. On all fours. You're 245 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,159 less likely to be seen. And I know they can 246 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,639 move really fast on all fours because the one that 247 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,600 ran across the road in front of me, he was booking, 248 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,519 I mean absolutely flying. He could have chased the deer down. 249 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:50,200 He could chase people down. They could chase whatever down. 250 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:56,279 They're going to catch it. They're that fast. So I 251 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,399 know they're out there. I love going out looking for them. 252 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,440 I respect them. I know they're there, they know them 253 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,400 out there. I go out there every day, try to anyway. 254 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,960 I like to leave them, like I said, leave them apples. 255 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,920 But it's just you have to find the right area 256 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,519 where they feel comfortable, where you know they're at. This 257 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,359 is the area I go in is not Chazowitzka. It's 258 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,880 south of Chazowitzka, but it's protected area. People aren't allowed 259 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,519 in there. There's tons of food in there for them, 260 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:34,720 tons of water. It's just if you were a bigfoot, 261 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:39,240 that's a great place to live. And I would have 262 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:43,440 never went in there unless they started pushing the deer 263 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,599 out of there. And that's what got me going in 264 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,960 there because growing up being a trapper, you know, I 265 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,359 look for track, I look for sign. I like to 266 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,240 go out and see. I try to find every animal 267 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,559 in the forest every time I go out, and I'm 268 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:02,400 pretty successful at it. He taught me a lot and 269 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,240 I'm grateful for them. So I basically every time I 270 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:10,920 go out, I apply all my knowledge and I try 271 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,200 to be as quiet as possible. Be respectful. You know, 272 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:17,039 they know you're out there and you're not going to 273 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:22,039 sneak up on them, So just go out there and 274 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,039 have a good time with it. You know, you can't 275 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:30,200 be serious about it, and definitely don't want to go 276 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:34,640 into areas where you shouldn't. You know, I respect certain areas. 277 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,559 I've already been warned basically when they don't feel comfortable 278 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:44,440 if you're getting too close and believe it or not. 279 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:50,000 I don't know why, but I encounter a lot of 280 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:54,480 coyotes with bigfoot and I don't know if they're using 281 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,960 them for guard dogs. I don't know if they feed them, 282 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,680 but they are close because usually if I get near one, 283 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:10,079 I'm always hearing the other. So I really think they 284 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,200 might feed them and keep them close to them so 285 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:18,160 that way the coyote hears and alerts the bigfoots know 286 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:23,400 that you're coming. So it's not an easy task. You know. 287 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:25,559 Best we could do is go out, look for sign 288 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:31,240 and most sightings are accidental road crossings or right place, 289 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:37,079 right time, so it's just gotta be careful out there. 290 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always good advice. Before I start through in 291 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,839 questions at you, Tim, I just want to thank you 292 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,279 so much for your service to our country. I really 293 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,079 appreciate it. 294 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,559 Speaker 2: You're welcome. 295 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. Vick. Oh, No, all the things goes to you. 296 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,599 Speaker 3: Now. 297 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: When you had your first sighting there, you said you're 298 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,960 in the middle of a blizzard. A lot of eyewitness 299 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,279 says a reported seeing sasquatch and fell weather like that. 300 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,640 What I'm wondering is, why do you think it is 301 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 that they'd be up and about and weather like that 302 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:10,720 instead of hunkered down. 303 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,799 Speaker 2: Honestly, the the youngest one, it was. It was playing 304 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,559 like a kid in the snow, like like we do 305 00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:22,480 when I was growing up. If it was snow and 306 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,519 we were outside building making snowman, you know, throwing snowballs. 307 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,079 The infant was out playing in the snow. It was 308 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,720 having fun, and the mother was out there interacting with it, 309 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:39,039 and dad basically stood stood watch. So I think it 310 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:41,480 was you know, it's just cool. It's fun. It's fun 311 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:46,519 for them, it's fun for us. And for fifteen minutes 312 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:51,640 they played around up there on this ridge, and after 313 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,200 fifteen minutes back into the woods they went down the 314 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 other side of the ridge. But I do believe it 315 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:57,359 was for enjoyment. 316 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: So Junior saw it as almost be in a snowdy. 317 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: Then, yes, sir, he was loving it. 318 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: It sure sounds like you was before you saw that family. 319 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,799 What were your thoughts on the existence of Sasquatch. 320 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:18,079 Speaker 2: I really didn't know much about Bigfoot growing up in 321 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,480 mid seventies. All we had was basically television. There was 322 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,039 no internet, no computers, no nothing like that, so you 323 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,559 didn't hear. You didn't have social media expose you to 324 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:33,039 things I got chased off a mountain once with a 325 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,400 bunch of my friends. But it was at night in 326 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,119 the dark. Something growled at us, so I can't be, 327 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,160 you know, sure on what it was. It was something 328 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,759 I never heard before at growled. So there was about 329 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,640 eight or ten of us. You know, we're just young, 330 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:48,359 ten twelve year old kids, so we just saw haul that. 331 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,759 So I never thought about Bigfoot in my life. Really, 332 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:55,799 you know, you don't hear that. In the early eighties, 333 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,839 I was in the Army and still didn't have self 334 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,759 and all that stuff then either, you know, see, you 335 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,359 didn't even hear about Bigfoot except if you've seen something 336 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,319 on TV and then just happen to be out there 337 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,400 at ammunition storage point in the middle of a blizzard 338 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,039 and watch the three of them up on the ridge 339 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,880 probably i'd say about half a mile from me at 340 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,720 the most, quarter to a half mile away, you know. 341 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:31,240 And I've been to range estimation school. Being a toe gunner, 342 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:36,200 I had to take a lot of classes learn every vehicle, 343 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,480 so I'm not shooting friendlies range estimation classes, so I'm 344 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,400 a very good I've been highly trained. They don't want 345 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,559 you shooting missiles at something that's too far away. See, 346 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,079 they teach you distance. You've got to be really good 347 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:56,240 at reading distance. So when I do visually see something, 348 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:59,559 I'm usually pretty spot on for how far away it is. 349 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a given. There's life before an 350 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,720 experience like you see in that family, in life after. 351 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,440 I can only imagine how that would have affected you. 352 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,200 Now when you moved to Florida years later and almost 353 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:16,559 hit that skun keep, were you open to the possibility 354 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,160 that they were in Florida two before you laid eyes 355 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,039 on that one? 356 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: Not at all. Bigfoot was the first furthest thing from 357 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,880 my mind. Basically, I lived by wiki watching. My mother 358 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,000 lived by Silver Springs, and I would typically if she 359 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,119 needed help for something, I would run up there and 360 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,160 help her out, and sometimes I'd spend the night. Sometimes 361 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,559 i'd come right back. I basically went up there, did 362 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:49,240 some work, helped her with some problem with her house. 363 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,160 But I had to work the following morning in spring Hill. 364 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,400 So I got up real early, about three in the morning, 365 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,839 and I drove south to Bellevue and was cutting across 366 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,880 on four eighty four, and I'm just trying to get 367 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,200 to my county so I could do my eight hour 368 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:12,640 shift and go home, and that thing just happened. Me 369 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,400 and one other vehicle he was not far behave was 370 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,920 pretty close to me. We were just cruising right along 371 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,160 him and I four in the morning, nobody else out 372 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,440 and this thing just comes out of nowhere on the 373 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:27,000 right side of the road. And you know, I drive 374 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,039 with two feet, even though I drive an automatic. You 375 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,799 know you shouldn't do that, But I drive with two 376 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:38,359 feet and I've always done that, so I'd break very quickly. 377 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,880 I don't have to pull my foot off the gas pedal. 378 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,240 I usually pretty much had my foot, my left foot 379 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,359 right by my brake pedal always, So when this thing 380 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,119 came out, I'm thinking deer bear, and I just basically 381 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,720 nailed the brake, quick glanced the mirror, made sure the 382 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,480 guy behind me wasn't going to hit me, and look 383 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,440 back forward, you know. And I came to a stop 384 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,960 real quick, and this thing was right in front of 385 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240 my headlight on my driver's side, and he could literally 386 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,319 if he had have reached his arm out, he could 387 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:16,440 have touched my hood, that's how close he was. And 388 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,720 he looked right at me, I mean, and it just 389 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,759 it scared to sit out of me. I was. I 390 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,559 couldn't believe it. It was the last thing I was 391 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:29,200 expecting to happen. Is I never saw that coming. I 392 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,720 just it floored me, it really did. And then to 393 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,319 have the gentleman approach my truck and say, you know, 394 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,920 that was a bigfoot, I was like, yeah, I'm glad 395 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:45,599 somebody else saw that. You know, it's always good when 396 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,880 there's witnesses to something someone sees, because that way you 397 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,960 don't think you're crazy, you know. I was in disbelief. 398 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,240 I was in shock. I had never even thought about that. 399 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,599 And then after my sighting, I ended up, you know, 400 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,000 starting to look online and I seen that swamp a 401 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,799 photo it's been online for quite some time now, the 402 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,799 one that kind of looks like an orangu thing. He's 403 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,240 down on the ground or some meadow bushes to the 404 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,839 right of him, and it looked very similar to that. 405 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,480 But what I saw was all black and just mean looking. 406 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:29,759 I couldn't believe it. It just it looked pissed. It 407 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,519 really did. 408 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh I don't doubt that at all, consider how pissed 409 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,319 off it looked and the fact that it made eye 410 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,559 contact with you. Either perfect person to ask this question 411 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,000 when you looked in its eyes, did the eyes seem 412 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,920 more animalistic or more like that of a human? 413 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:55,519 Speaker 2: They were black, black, black. But when he when he 414 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,319 was in the headlight and he looked at me, I 415 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,519 could almost I want to say, I seen red eye shine. 416 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,680 But as he cleared the headlight and got back out 417 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,720 of the direct headlight, I could see his eyes were 418 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,599 just they were coal black. I couldn't even see the 419 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:15,240 whites of his eyes. The color his everything in his eye. 420 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,799 It literally filled his eye. There was no whites on 421 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:24,200 the corners, on the sides. And I do want to say, 422 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920 when when he went past the headlight, when he was 423 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,519 directly in front of it looking at me, I could 424 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:34,160 see red in it, like he had some type of 425 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920 red reflective something in the back of his eye. I 426 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160 don't know. But as he got out from in front 427 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,319 of the headlight, he, you know, for five seconds, he 428 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,880 had his head turn looking right at me. I was 429 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,079 looking at him right in the face, and once he 430 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,119 cleared that headlight, I could see his eyes were just 431 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,240 like the blackest evil black I've ever seen. And he 432 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,200 almost his mouth wasn't open, and it was almost like 433 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,640 he was giving me an evil smirk. Kind of his 434 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,640 mouth wasn't open. He wasn't, you know, for running as 435 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,839 fast as he was, he didn't have to have his 436 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,200 mouth open. He was breathing through his nose. And I 437 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720 want to say he had almost an evil smirk on 438 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,279 his face, like like he was pissed off. 439 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: At me. 440 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: And he was not happy. It is all I could say. 441 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't sound like he was. As he was 442 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,880 standing there looking at you, steering you down for about 443 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,920 five seconds, did he ever do anything that gave you 444 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,440 the impression that he was thinking about coming for you. 445 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: No, he just he wanted across the road. But it 446 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,400 put the fear in God of me. When I realized 447 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,200 that I don't hear him, and I knew I should 448 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,559 have been hearing him. That that literally put the fear 449 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,720 of God in me. The country boy he turned around ran, 450 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,559 I mean he was running and I it did it 451 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,920 put the fear of God in him too, because that 452 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,480 way it was very scary looking, you know, and five 453 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:14,480 hundred pounds four to five hundred pounds easy and just 454 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400 so fast. We both knew that if it charged out 455 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,119 of the darkness on the edge of the road, it 456 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440 could be on you or him. Me or him before 457 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200 you could even get a step. It was that fast. 458 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,319 It just incredibly fast. 459 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I call cartoon fast. How would you 460 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,599 describe his nose? Was it hooded or more like that 461 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,759 of Gorilla's nose? 462 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: It was more flat to his face, and it was 463 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,480 pretty wide. His nostrils were fairly big, you know, but 464 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,160 this thing was running, so you would expect to see 465 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160 a flared nostril, but his nose was flat. I was 466 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,799 surprised pretty wide too, I'd say three four inch wide 467 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,079 at the ball them, like it was pushed in flat wide. 468 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,440 His skin was real dark color, wrinkly a little bit. 469 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,160 He just he looked so unkept, so dirty, so nasty, 470 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,799 like he had been in the swamps. He's like never 471 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,839 taking a bath, never worked on his hair. It was 472 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,200 just the hair was hanging in like dreads that were 473 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,240 like four or five inches long. The hair was matted 474 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,480 and just tangled, and I would say a good four 475 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,960 to five inch long, like dreadlocks. Almost. Because it was 476 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,440 so nasty looking, just dirty, you could tell this thing 477 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,079 was in the swamps at some point. 478 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he was. Don't doubt that at all. 479 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,279 When you consider how it had a flat nose the 480 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,160 way it did, and then this nostrils are wide open. 481 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,960 It just makes you wonder how they can swim the 482 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,799 way they do, the way they seem swim like it's 483 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,240 going out of style, because you think the water would 484 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,039 just run right in their nostrils. 485 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,599 Speaker 2: I imagine they they've had a lot of long time 486 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,839 to figure that out. You know, I do know they 487 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,599 swim the otterman up around Alaska. The Natives call him 488 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:25,400 Otterman because they catch them swimming from island to island. 489 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,920 The Indians here in Florida, the Seminoles. I lived in 490 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:33,519 the Apalachical And National Forest for a while, spoke with 491 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,400 Seminole Indians there and they said that they're great swimmers. 492 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,880 They told me that they will actually go in alligator 493 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,880 dens and sleep in there. And I guess here in Florida, 494 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,000 alligator den is basically you've got to dive down underwater. 495 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880 These alligators will build tunnels into sides of rivers and 496 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,000 lakes and they'll tunnel back, you know, thirty feet, and 497 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,720 then they tunnel up and they the gate excavate these rooms. 498 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480 Basically in these rooms, it's a big air bubble in there, 499 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:10,079 and you could fit twenty thirty gaters in there. Sometimes 500 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,200 they get that big that many of them will go 501 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:16,200 in there too. But the Seminole Indians I've had, Like 502 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,240 I met with a group of probably seven eight guys 503 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:24,480 in Tallahassee and they told me, they said that they'll 504 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880 go in alligator dens. They'll force the alligators out and 505 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,039 go and sleep in the dens. Like multiple bigfoots will 506 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,960 go in there, swim in there, swim underwater and go 507 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,960 in the alligator dens and sleep there during the day. 508 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:46,680 And another thing, my brother in Tallahassee works for the 509 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,519 state of Florida. They guard a dam at Lake Talquin. 510 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,920 One of the residents there one year called and my 511 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,880 brother went out there to speak with the older woman 512 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,640 because evidently this woman has had issues. She feeds alligators 513 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,519 and you're not supposed to do that. Well, this particular year, 514 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:13,119 evidently she called up to file a complaint. So my 515 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,519 brother responded, went out there, and you know, with her history, 516 00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,319 everybody knew she fed the gators and she got fined 517 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,279 for it. Not supposed to be doing that. So my 518 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:28,200 brother went up and talked to her and she told him, 519 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:33,200 she said, the bigfoots keep taking my alligators, and I 520 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,920 wanted to stop, and my brother said, excuse me, and 521 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,279 she said, yeah, she said, the bigfoots keep taking my alligators. 522 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,480 Every time the alligators come up out of the lake 523 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,119 into my yard, the bigfoots run out, pick them up, 524 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240 and run off with them. So I guess she was 525 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,240 feeding the alligators again. And so when the gators were 526 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,160 coming up in her yard to get the chickens, she 527 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,440 feeds them raw chicken. And I guess the bigfoots were 528 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,799 running out of the woods snatching up for alligators and 529 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,760 running off with them. And it does sound feasible. I 530 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,760 believe they probably would consider that a good food item. Oh, 531 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800 you don't hear much about him eating gaters or but 532 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,599 you know, those are usually pretty remote areas and people 533 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,079 don't much go where all the big gators are. 534 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,079 Speaker 1: If you have the means to feed on a gater, 535 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480 then yeah, that'd be a heck of a good food 536 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:35,519 source in Florida in a lot of places. So I 537 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,480 can't blame him for doing that. Do you think that 538 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,920 skunky looked so angry because of you almost hitting it, 539 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,559 or because it just looked that way all the time. 540 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,159 Speaker 2: I think it was angry because we were in its 541 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:55,400 way basically, you know, we approached on it, it was crossing 542 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,599 the road, and it just was not happy to see 543 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:02,639 us at all, you know, almost like we were trespassing, 544 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,519 and it made a statement. It basically looked at me 545 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,960 and it let me know. I could see it's facial expression. 546 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,519 He wanted me to know he was not happy. 547 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: They're intelligent, and when these guys want to get their 548 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,199 point across by anything like that, they're masterful at doing that. 549 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,360 They definitely are when you consider how agile and fast 550 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,880 it was, even though it was about five hundred pounds. 551 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,360 You said, it sure sounds to me like he was 552 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,360 playing by a different set of rules than all other animals. 553 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,719 Do do you think that was the case, And if so, 554 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,719 what do you think sasquatch actually are. 555 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 2: I actually think there's personally, because I've seen two different type. 556 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:57,239 I honestly believe the swamp ape business subspecies he's very similar, 557 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:02,960 but he's not the same. I've literally I've seen the 558 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,480 difference and what is not the same as the other 559 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,079 They there it's night and day. You could you could 560 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,360 see it if you if you've been looking enough to 561 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,079 see both of them, you would agree with me that 562 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,000 they are not the same animal. So I think the 563 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,559 swamp ape he's a little more primitive. I I do believe. 564 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,920 I don't think he's as as intelligent as the upright, 565 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,480 the typical Sasquatch. I think those guys are a whole 566 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:39,079 lot smarter, and uh, their attributes are just off the chain. 567 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:43,079 It's you're never gonna catch them, You're never gonna sneak 568 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,519 up on them. You're you're not gonna out talk them. 569 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:50,280 It's you know, you're it's like playing three D chess 570 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,400 with these guys. When you go out in the woods, 571 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,519 they're just three steps ahead of you. They can see further, 572 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,639 they could hear further, they could smell you coming. Their 573 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,800 vision is just top notch, top shelf. They got built 574 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,559 in night vision. They could see in pitch black. If 575 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,920 you ever watched the Stacey footage out of the Panhandle, 576 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,039 the thermal footage where him and his son went out 577 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:18,800 to the state park, this thing was looking right at 578 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,039 him and even the father Stacy's he said that this 579 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:26,719 thing was looking right at me. And he said there 580 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,960 was it was cloudy, no moon, it was pitch black. 581 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,079 You couldn't see your hand in front of your face. 582 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,239 And when he picked up the bigfoot looking at him 583 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,679 on Thermal, he said, it was looking right at me. 584 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,639 He said, it knew exactly where we were. It was 585 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,159 looking right at me. And then it stepped across the 586 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,159 opening the path. That's when he got that great footage 587 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,519 on Thermal and that's when he panicked and told his son. 588 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:57,000 You know, he realized that this thing could flank them. 589 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,559 It was headed toward the vehicle. He didn't want to 590 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:01,559 get caught off in the woods in the dark with 591 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,519 his son. He knew this thing could see, and that 592 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,920 scared him, and that's why they returned to the truck 593 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,280 right away. He didn't want this thing to flank him, 594 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,599 get in between him and his truck, you know, so 595 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,400 they can see in absolute darkness. I believe they go 596 00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:24,159 in caves. Indians have said that they're really good at 597 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,119 hiding caves. And the Indians, you know, you're talking people 598 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,000 that grow up in the woods before even the white 599 00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,280 man got here. They would go out there and run 600 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,119 into these things. You know, they had a lot of 601 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,320 respect for him. But those guys said, you know, these 602 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,280 things do live in caves. They do hide them very well, 603 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,320 you know, And the Indians didn't want nothing to do 604 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,519 with them. Basically, they tried to avoid them. 605 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,639 Speaker 1: Well, even when it comes to the Indians, a Sasquatch 606 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,800 it every advantage, so I can understand why they felt 607 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,239 that way. One of the things I'm wondering about considering 608 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,320 how that Sasquatch, being about five hundred pounds was able 609 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,079 to move the way it did. Are you open to 610 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,480 the idea, to the possibility that what you bumped into 611 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,199 that night might have been a spiritual being the way 612 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,679 so many people in the Sasquatch community see them as being, 613 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480 or you convinced that what you saw that night was 614 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:28,039 just a flesh and blood animal. Absolutely, it was flesh 615 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:34,039 and blood. You know, I've had so much training on 616 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:41,360 identifying things and range estimation, and you know, you name 617 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,239 it across the board. I've trained for it, and this thing, 618 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,079 being five feet from the he could have touched my hood. 619 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,599 Speaker 2: He was that close to my hood. There was no 620 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,480 doubt he was. He was flesh and bone, he was muscular, 621 00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:01,159 he was fast. I never did smell him. I imagine he 622 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,159 probably smelled really bad by the way he looked. But 623 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,199 when I got out of my truck, I wasn't out 624 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,039 of my truck very long. I did not smell him, 625 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,440 but it dawned on me right away that I don't 626 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,239 hear him, and I should have been hearing this thing 627 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,000 running away, and that scared me bad, knowing how fast 628 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,559 he was. I believe they go on all fours a lot. 629 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,159 When I go out squatching and looking around, I find 630 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,239 knuckle prints or handprints more so than I find a footprint. 631 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,280 Finding an upright footprint is kind of rare for me. 632 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,960 I've only found a handful, but I find knuckle marks 633 00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:52,559 or hand marks, and i've recently. At first, when I 634 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,000 seen them, I didn't pay him much mind. Now I 635 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,079 try to track every animal. I grew up trapping, so 636 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,440 I know all the critters. I know what to look for. 637 00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:07,119 So every time I go out, I am looking for bigfoot, 638 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,079 but I'm looking for their food. I'm looking for the 639 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:14,920 other animals, you know. And I tend I kept finding 640 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,480 these marks and I couldn't figure out what they were. 641 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:24,119 And speaking with John Renier, he had posed the question 642 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,719 to me. One day he sent me some photos. I 643 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,079 examined him. I told him, you know, that's that's odd. 644 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,239 I've I've seen that you know, and I went back 645 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,599 looked through some photos and found some and very similar 646 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:40,599 to what he's been finding. And I think their handprints, 647 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,400 I think they're down on all fours more that way, 648 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,119 they're not leaving that whole footprint. They know when they 649 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:51,519 walk somewhere, they're leaving footprints depending on the ground. So 650 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,000 I think they kind of go down on all fours to, 651 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,800 you know, to keep out of sight, even to the 652 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,559 other animals. They don't want to be spotted because you know, 653 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,519 if deer know they're in the area, the deer are 654 00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,239 going to halt, so he wants to be low profile. 655 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,880 So I really do believe they go down on all 656 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,880 fours a lot, and they're they're very efficient at doing it, 657 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,119 very efficient. If you read John's book, all the different 658 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,960 eyewitness accounts, it'll blow your mind that I'm glad I'm 659 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,079 not the only one that's seen one on all fours. 660 00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:29,280 I'm glad that, you know, I've seen other people have 661 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,800 seen the same thing. So now I know I'm not 662 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,840 crazy or I didn't imagine it, that these things do 663 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,480 do do that, and they do it very well, and 664 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,800 it probably explains why they vanish. You know, a lot 665 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,599 of people might see him standing up, But it was 666 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,000 one I caught when I turned around. He was upright 667 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,719 one second and down on all fours so quick, and 668 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,719 he went right behind these small group of trees. And 669 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,079 I was actually video recording, and I at first I 670 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,679 started walking toward him, but then I thought, no, he 671 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,679 was pretty big, and you know, he had a way out, 672 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,880 he had a way to escape, So I thought I 673 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,079 didn't want to push him away. So I took a 674 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,480 couple of three four steps toward him, and then I stopped, 675 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,159 and I thought, no, I shouldn't probably try to walk 676 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,360 up on him. He ain't you all like that? So 677 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,880 I turned around and kept going the way I was going. 678 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,199 But they do go on all fours a lot. 679 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,519 Speaker 1: Cooler heads do prevail. I'm glad you decided to do that. 680 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480 The day you saw that female that looked like Patty, 681 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:37,880 did you ever get the impression that she might have 682 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960 been so nonchalant about you being there, about you seeing 683 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,639 her because she just might not have been alone. 684 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,599 Speaker 2: I believe that it's I call it my honey hoole. 685 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,639 It's it's an area of land that it offers everything 686 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,000 to him, So I know the family is in there. 687 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,840 The woman whose property backs up to that area. You know, 688 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,880 she hears them talking, so that tells me there's more 689 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,199 than one. He ain't in there talking to himself, so 690 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,599 I know the family goes in there. And typically here 691 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:16,360 in Florida, it's wet and the area is usually it's 692 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,519 underwater most of the year, almost every year. Last year 693 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,079 we were fortunate didn't get any bad hurricanes late in 694 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,679 the season. So Florida has gone through a drought this 695 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,800 past year. And I've actually been able to walk into 696 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,719 some of those areas and they're not in there. And 697 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,440 I don't blame them. I think they follow the water. 698 00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,519 They moved more towards Chadsowitz go more toward the Gulf 699 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:49,320 of Mexico. It's very swampy out there. Never have the 700 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000 you know, it doesn't matter if we're in a drought 701 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:56,199 because there's all that brackish water from the Gulf of Mexico, 702 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,360 and we got the wiki Watchy River dumping out in there. 703 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,920 And there's literally if you go off the coast of 704 00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:07,760 Hernando Citrus County's Cedar Key Homo Sassa area, there are 705 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,800 literally hundreds of small islands out there and it's all 706 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,639 swampy it's so remote you can't walk out there. You 707 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:19,039 can't get there unless you go by boat. So this 708 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,480 past year, with the drought, I've been able to go 709 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,119 into that area where they're heard all the time, where 710 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:29,880 I've seen Patty. I've watched her walk into there, so 711 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:33,079 I know they're in there. But with the drought being here, 712 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,519 I was able to go in there, and it was 713 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,800 like if you ever been in a cypress swamp and 714 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,599 they take all the water out, It's it's like it's 715 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,800 Jurassic or Cretaceous period. It's it's so different than anywhere 716 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400 I've ever been to be able to go into these 717 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,239 swamps that were dry, you know, and just be able 718 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,960 to access areas that I have never been able to 719 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,239 get to before. So I've been in there. I've found 720 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,039 tracks and stuff. But it's a really interesting area. It 721 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,679 offers everything to these guys, and when we do have 722 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,920 a rainy season, they come right back into that area, 723 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,480 you know. So they do follow the water, they follow 724 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:21,920 the food, and I do believe they stay in groups. 725 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound like a grey theory for a 726 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,000 sasquatch to run around. Did Patty seem to defy gravity 727 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,320 as she walked away from you after she saw you. 728 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:39,039 Speaker 2: She basically, I swear it. It looks so similar to 729 00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:43,519 Patty on Patterson Gimblin. She had about the same gait. 730 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,400 She just walked nonchalantly. She knew I was there. You know, 731 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,519 I didn't try to sneak in there. I was pretty 732 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:56,079 announced going right into there, and she just didn't seem 733 00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,400 to care, like I was no threat to her, and 734 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,519 she knew it. So she just gotten She just walked 735 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,000 like I don't care. And she forty yards through open 736 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,159 pine savannah, and I just watched her walk. I could 737 00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:18,840 see her breast swinging every bit of seven feet tall, 738 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,719 maybe seven to eight feet, and she was heavy, she's 739 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,559 I would honestly, I'd say she had to be at 740 00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:32,280 least eight hundred pounds, and just walked right away from 741 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,199 me like she didn't care, didn't have a care in 742 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,679 the world. I didn't pursue her, I didn't go after her. 743 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: Of course, you weren't a threat to her at all. 744 00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,920 But even with that in mind, I still wouldn't be 745 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719 surprised if she wasn't alone. Of Course, we're never going 746 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,239 to know for sure about that, but it really wouldn't 747 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,000 surprise me. Now, you told us about that lady who 748 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:53,920 used to live on the edge of that swamp and 749 00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,559 how she moved due to that activity that she heard overnight. 750 00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:00,760 If you would have found out about her desire to 751 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,639 move before she actually did, do you think you ever 752 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,880 would have considered buying her house from her? 753 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 3: Oh? 754 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 2: Definitely. Uh. And it's funny. It's it's very close to 755 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,880 where I live now, and it just it's in a 756 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,079 sweet spot and it backs right up to this big 757 00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,920 nature preserve and it's swampy back there, so you can't 758 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,079 get in there. It's full of cypress trees. Even in 759 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:27,480 the daylight. If you pull into this one area and 760 00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,880 you look back in there, it's just it's pitch black 761 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,039 in there. It's it's like nighttime up underneath these cypress trees. 762 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,239 When you look back in this swamp, it's so thick 763 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,199 so and it's there's the waters, you know, three four 764 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,800 feet deep. You ain't going to go in there. It's 765 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960 full of water moccasins and god knows what else. Alligators, 766 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,800 I'm sure. So they're pretty safe in there and they 767 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,159 know it. 768 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: If you were able to buy her house somehow, if 769 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,920 you wanted to research, you could just go in and 770 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,159 sit on the back deck. It'd be as simple as that. 771 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I believe it's much easier for someone to 772 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,639 get them on audio than it would be to get 773 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,920 a siding. You're never going to go out and just 774 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000 have a sighting. That's just not going to happen. It's 775 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,639 like looking for a seer instructor on steroids. You know, 776 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,039 somebody who's trained their whole life to not be seen, 777 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:26,800 not be found, and just all his senses far exceed 778 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,039 ours as far as hearings, eyesight, smell. You're not going 779 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:35,800 to go out and see them. But I believe audio 780 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840 recording is the way to go. I believe you'll hear 781 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,679 them a lot more than you will see them. I 782 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,280 really admire the people to put the the recorders out 783 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,199 and leave them out there for weeks or months and 784 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,480 then go back in and get it. And I think 785 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,320 that's a great idea. You're you're going to be more lucky, 786 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,559 You're going to have better results, I believe. 787 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: Do you think you're gonna have a lot better of 788 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,480 a chance of catching them on audio like that than 789 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,320 you are just stumbling into one out there in the woods. 790 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,039 So I agree, when you saw that juvenile behind you 791 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:16,159 in Chazowitzka. You said that it dropped to all fours 792 00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:19,639 and moved behind a tree. But when it did that, 793 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,039 did it spider crawl or did it just move behind 794 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:24,840 the tree on all fours away? 795 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 2: In Apewood, it it was basically following me. I years 796 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,519 ago I found this where I found the really big track. 797 00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,440 The reason I went there and found the big track 798 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,199 is because it's a ridge, real steep embankment going down. 799 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,880 It's real thick woods, full of palmetow bushes and trees, 800 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:50,599 and something had built it. It almost looked like an igloo, 801 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,480 and I could never figure it out. I had an 802 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:58,719 entrance on it, and this thing's built on a really 803 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,960 steep hill and it's right on the side of it, 804 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440 and the entrance was kind of pointing up the hill, 805 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,000 you know, and it just something about it didn't make 806 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,280 a lot of sense, and you could tell something's been 807 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,280 going in there. So I would never approach it. I 808 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,719 didn't want my smell to contaminate the area ever, So 809 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,239 I would stand on top of this ridge take pictures, 810 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,000 and then i'd leave. I'd come back, you know, a 811 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,400 couple weeks later, take some more photos. Leave, and that 812 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,559 way I could go home and review the pictures and 813 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,320 see if this thing had changed, or if it was 814 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,320 being built or messed with, or if something was going 815 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,760 in and out. And there were always some changes to 816 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,119 the structure I want to call it. So I went 817 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,199 out there one day and I heard noise from down 818 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,360 past where this thing's built on the side of this bank, 819 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,000 and I actually have it on video, and I caught 820 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,519 a couple deer coming across right below this thing. So 821 00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,920 I finally thought, you know, I'm going to climb down 822 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,719 there and really get a good look at everything. I 823 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,719 had never climbed down there. I've been looking at it 824 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,760 from on top of the ridge. So I climbed down there, 825 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,400 and basically it was a game trail, and whatever built 826 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,039 this thing built it right on the uphill side of 827 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,440 the game trail, right on it, and to me, it 828 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,960 really looked like a hunting blind. But people don't hunt there. 829 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,199 You're not allowed to hunt there. Something built something there 830 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,000 right on top of that game trail for the deer. 831 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:36,280 The deer traveled through there like crazy. I didn't know 832 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,639 it until I climbed down there, but I kind of 833 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:43,519 believe they sit on the backside of this ridge. That's 834 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,920 where the juvenile followed me from. I would go to 835 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,519 that structure and look down there and check it out. 836 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,280 And I believe they would use that like a hunting blind. 837 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,880 They would sit in there and wait for the deer 838 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,920 to come, and then they'd chase them down to kill them. 839 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,239 But I would I usually I'll go to that area 840 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920 first and I'll take some pictures and look around. And 841 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,519 that's where I found that twenty two inch track, and 842 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,239 something kind of made a bed on the ground out 843 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,119 of palmeadows, and I thought, oh, that's odd, and I'm 844 00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,159 looking at the bed thing on the ground, and that's 845 00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,159 why I looked over and I seen the track, and 846 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,599 I went over there, and oh, my god, that put 847 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,800 the fear of God in me, because I thought twenty 848 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,960 two inch. This thing must be massive, you know. And 849 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,199 I carry a pistol, but nine millimeters wouldn't do nothing 850 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,760 but piss him off. This thing was He had to 851 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,840 be huge. He had to be a thousand pounds. Whatever 852 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,280 left that track, and I couldn't even dent the ground. 853 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,599 Here in Florida, we have compressed limerock and sand and 854 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,360 the ground is so hard, and this thing put. It 855 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400 was in the ground an inch deep. I couldn't believe it. 856 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,400 I was stomping on the ground next to it, and 857 00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:54,760 I couldn't even leave a mark. So whatever left the 858 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,639 twenty two inch track, it weighed every bit of a 859 00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:01,920 thousand pounds or more. So I typically i'll go to 860 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,400 that area first, I'll take a few photos of that 861 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320 structure to see how it's been changing over time, and 862 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,760 I leave out and leave out going a different way, 863 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,599 and that's when the juvenile. I usually announce myself when 864 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,400 I get in there to let them know because I'm 865 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,840 not fooling them. They know them there, and I really 866 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,440 do believe that they do remember individuals. They recognize people, 867 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,719 they know strangers. You know, if they see somebody and 868 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,039 they've never seen them before, I believe they know that 869 00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:37,960 that's a stranger to them. So I left that area 870 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:42,239 one day and you go down and it's through some 871 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,960 pretty thick brush. It's almost like a tunnel. It's really 872 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,760 really cool area. And then it comes up over a 873 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,280 hill and you're out in a basically a meadow a field, 874 00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:58,199 and it's beautiful. And I probably went about one hundred 875 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,719 yards and I made the crest of the field and 876 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,079 I quick turned around, and this thing came from the 877 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,880 heavy woods and he was following me. There was no 878 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,239 other reason for him to be going where he was going. 879 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,320 And he basically as soon as I turned around, he's 880 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,440 seen me turning around. He went purposely. He went like 881 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:25,760 right into the push up position quick and right behind 882 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,480 these trees. When he hit the ground, the grass itself 883 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:32,840 hit them all. This meadow, it's a beautiful meadow, almost 884 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,199 looks like wheat growing in there. So when he dropped down, 885 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,239 he didn't even have to be behind the trees. He 886 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,800 hadn't even made the trees yet. And when he dropped down, 887 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,840 he vanished from sight in the grass. And I know 888 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,960 he was moving to this small group of trees, and 889 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,719 he could. He could. He had the option to withdraw 890 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,840 in the opposite direction for me and make it back 891 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,400 to the main woods. You know. So he had he 892 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,480 had an exit and he knew it. I knew it. 893 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,679 So I didn't want to walk out there. I started to, 894 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,159 and then I hesitated and thought, nah, probably not the 895 00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:08,519 best idea, and I just turned around and kept going. 896 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,039 So I do believe they do follow you. You know, 897 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,119 they're curious, they know what you're doing. They remember me. 898 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,440 I believe. I feed them, I bring them apples, I 899 00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,599 let them know. One there and I leave, and I 900 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,320 think they remember me. I really do. 901 00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:27,519 Speaker 1: Well. That makes two of us. Yeah, I'm sure you've 902 00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,760 definitely left an impression on them. I don't doubt that 903 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,800 at all. Well, Tim, I can't thank you enough for 904 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,840 coming on and share the details of those experiences with us. 905 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,079 I really appreciate it. 906 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 2: You're welcome. 907 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned John's book. This sounds like one 908 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,360 heck of a good read for everyone listening to tonight's show. 909 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,960 So that you know, I'm going to put a link 910 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,679 to John's book in the description for tonight's show. That'll 911 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,639 make it really easy to find and purchase. But having 912 00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:56,159 said that, thanks against so much for your time, Tim, 913 00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:58,960 I really do appreciate it, and I hope you have 914 00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:59,559 a great night. 915 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 3: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with 916 00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,840 Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would 917 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,880 like to be a guest on the show, please go 918 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,800 to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd 919 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,079 love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have a 920 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:24,679 great night.