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Speaker 2: My name is Tim. I currently live in Florida. I
was born and raised in northeast Pennsylvania. Grew up in
the mountains, hunting, fishing, trapping. I basically naturally I fit
right into the infantry. I joined the infantry at a
young age and I ended up at Fort Carson, Colorado,
right up against the Rocky Mountains. It sits right in
front of No Rad or Cheyenne Missile Mountain Complex. I
was basically stationed there for a few years. We would
pull guard duty on various points ammunition storage point in
this instance, and those are typically a warehouse full ammunition.
They keep them away from the main part of the
base and put a big barm around on me and
someone has to guard those at night. So we had
a blizzard come through, I could not take the We'd
normally go in a jeep and just do laps around
this building. Couldn't do that this particular evening because of
a blizzard. So my secondary mos I was a toe gunner,
which is a missile guided anti tank system that we
had mounted on armor personnel carriers, so snow was too
deep for the jeep. So I drove my ITV out
to this ammunition storage point and I was able to
park up on top of the barm and sit inside
the warm vehicle and look around. Basically, I had infrared
on my vehicle that I was very familiar with, and
I could see any wildlife. I use this system in
Death Valley for desert training, and I'd watch coyotes at
night and troops and you could see a mouse a
mile away with these things that just happened to be
sitting there looking around. And because of that location where
it sits right next to No Rad, it's basically no
man's land. People are not allowed to go there. Our
base is there blocking it. You even go up there,
they'll shoot you. They don't even ask. So I'm looking
across the ammunition storage point and past that building big
ridge just south of No Rad, and I picked up
three heat signatures, so I zoomed in. And you know,
growing up in the seventies didn't hear much about Bigfoot
or early eighties, so we didn't have internet, didn't have
cell phones, didn't have none of that, so never really
thought bigfoot, so I zoom in on these three heat signatures.
The first thing I noticed is they didn't have clothes on.
And from looking at troops, I could tell you could
see different gear carries, different temperatures. You could see clothing,
you could see hats, helmets. With what I was looking at,
it was the same as a coyote. It was all natural.
You could tell it didn't have anything on. They were naked.
This is in the middle of a blizzard, middle of
the winter, Colorado Springs in no man's land, where people
are not allowed to go. So I watched the adult male.
I think it was the biggest one. He stayed at
the tree line on the ridge, and I think it
was a female was smaller. She was probably seven feet tall,
I'd say six hundred pounds. She came out with a juvenile.
Juvenile was probably four feet tall, maybe one hundred and
fifty pounds, and the small one was playing in the snow,
and the mother was just standing there watching it. She
would squat down and then stand back up. And father
he just stood in a tree line looking around like
he was on guard duty. And I'm about a half
a mile from these things, but I'm zoomed in, I
can see them perfectly. I know for a fact they
had no idea I was sitting there watching them. I
watched them for about fifteen minutes until they all walked
back into the woods and back down over the ridge
the other side and just totally disappeared. After guard duty,
I ran into the officer of the day and I
mentioned it to him, and he said, yeah, we have
anomalies out there. He said, we just tend to keep
those to ourselves, okay, and didn't think nothing of it,
you know, So I thought, oh, that's pretty interesting. I
had my first big foot sighting, and years later I
moved to Florida. After I got out of the service,
I was driving from Silver Springs in Okaala back down
to Wikiwatchee and it was about four in the morning,
and there was a guy right behind me in a
pickup truck. He was following me. We were running about
fifty very rural road. It's kind of swampy on one side,
and this thing, you know, I'm always conscious of deer,
and there here running out in front of your cars.
So all I see is something black coming out of
the woods on my right hand side, and I'm in
a big sweeping right hand turn basically hit my brakes
right away. I glanced the mirror make sure the guy
behind me was going to be able to stop, because
I didn't want to hit was whatever was coming out
onto the road, and so I stopped very abruptly. And
all I could say is this. It was right in
front of my driver headlight my truck. I had my
high beams on because I was a lead vehicle, and
this thing he could have reached his arm out and
literally touched the end of my hood. He was within
arm's reach of my truck, directly in front of the
high beam. And I was fully stopped by this point,
and I just I about fell out of my seat
because it kind of reminded me of an orangutan in
a way, but it was about five hundred pounds. It
was not on two feet, it was on four using
its hands. It had hands. It didn't have feet in
the front, had hands, and I mean it literally turned
its head looked right at me. I made eye contact
with this thing for like five seconds, and it was
like the meanest, nastiest looking thing I've ever seen. But
what really hit me was how fast this thing was moving.
I've never in my life. And I've seen bear and
deer and moos and you name it, I've seen it,
and I know how fast they run. And this thing
was just and it looked so effortless. It just blew
my mind. His face and how fast he was. It
just it floored me because I had such a good view,
such a clear he was right there, lit up. I
could see him plain as day. So it clears the
road into the bush and I'm just my mouth hanging
open by myself. I look in my side mirror and
I noticed the guy behind me got out of his
truck and he's coming up to my truck. And I
opened the door and stepped out, and he was a
country boy. I don't know who his name. Never got
that far with him, but he looked at me and
he said, and I quote with this country twang. He goes,
did you see that? And I said yeah, And he
said it first. He says that was a bigfoot, and
I was like, yeah, oh, I think you're absolutely correct.
And he was just in shock too. And the first
thing I noticed, I didn't hear it going through the brush.
It should have been like at the speed it was going,
I should have been listening to this thing crashing off
through the woods trying to get away, and I couldn't
hear anything. It was dead quiet. So it dawned on
me right away and him that this thing must have
stopped as soon as it made the woods and was
probably looking at us. He didn't say a word. He
turned around and literally ran for his truck, and I
just jumped right back in mind. I closed the door,
I watched to make sure he made it to his truck,
and then I just pulled out and hauled it. That
thing was every bit of five hundred pounds on all
fours and it had to be doing forty mile an
hour when it crossed the road. It was just hauling
and so fluid. It was just like no effort. No,
it was confident. It knew it was going to make it.
But it was scary looking. It was matted black, looked
like dreadlocks, just absolutely horrible. And the look on his
face like it would kill you, it would have no
problem doing it either, And it had such a mean
look on its face. I thought I would never want
to run into that in a bush without having a
gun with me, because it would kill you. It could
be on you, so fast, you wouldn't even probably have
a chance, Pul, you're gonnaut. It just mind blowing how
fast it was, and that really affected me and stuck
with me. It still does. I could see it's face
every time I want just picture it in my mind,
I could. And it was the scariest thing I've ever
seen by far, and I don't get scared easy to
be an ex military. I've seen a lot of things
and I usually don't get fearful, and this would put
the fear of God in anybody. So a few years later,
you know, I've the Internet came out cell phones, so
I was able to start doing a lot of research
and gathering information and started paying more attention. So one
year here I noticed deer were getting pushed out of
a certain area when they never did before, and I
knew something was causing it because they were actually going
out on a four lane highway and getting killed and
they never did that for years and years and years,
they never did it. So some I knew a prey
animal was pushing them out. So I would go into
this area ands I found tracks, big tracks had a
day sighting of the best way to describe it was
she looked it was a female because I had breasts
and it looked exactly like ddy. I watched her walk
away from me. She probably walked forty yards through a
pine savannah plain as day. I could see her the
whole way until she made about forty feet and then
she cut left into the woods. But she was every
bit of probably seven and a half eight feet tall,
light brown, I would say, she was younger to middle age,
very healthy looking, big strides, and she knew I was
looking at her, and she just like she didn't care
at all, and she just for forty yards walked straight
right through this open area right in front of me,
bangs left into the trees she goes. So I really
got hooked then. And being that we can go online
now and join different groups, I've actually joined a few
different bigfoot groups. I ran into a guy that asked
online if anybody goes to Chazowitzka, and I said, yeah,
I actually do. I said, I live near there. So
we have a big wildlife management area called Chazowitzka. It's
on the Gulf Coast north of Tampa, and it's remote
and it's huge. So I asked the gentleman, I said yeah,
I said, I go in there a lot. I said,
there's a lot of bear in there and other things.
You got to be careful. And I asked him why
and he said, well, his mom keeps hearing them behind
her house, like at three and four in the morning.
He said, his mom gets up real early and likes
to sit on the lunai. That she keeps hearing these
bigfoots behind her house talking and hitting trees. And she
said they're communicating, They're talking back and forth. She said,
it sound like gibberish. This is what she told her son.
But it scared her enough that she was calling her
son saying, I want to put the house on the market,
sell the house a move. And he asked her why,
and because I keep hearing these bigfoots behind the house
every night and it's scaring me. So I asked him
for the address, and he threw me her address. And
it wasn't really in Chazowitzka. It was just south of Chazowitzka,
but it backed right up to the area where I
had seen my female and found a lot of footprints.
So her backyard is actually backs up to a swampy
area and I tend to come in the other way,
and so I've been going in there for a few
years now, and i've they'll pace me. I've actually caught
a juvenile young male following me where I found the
twenty two ins track. I usually come through that area.
They know we're out there. You're not going to catch them.
You're not going to sneak up on them, so I
basically announce myself. I go to the same spot when
I go out. I know they go there because I
found tracks there, so I'll announce myself and I usually
like to leave apples up in trees for them, and
then I typically i'll go out the same direction, go
a different direction when I go out, and I had
a juvenile this past winter. I basically you have to
be quick with them. They are so sneaky that as
I walk, I'll turn around or sometimes I'll actually wear
my body camera on my back because I think they
like to follow more than be up ahead of you anywhere.
But I turn around a lot. So I just happened
to be going through a field and meadow area. I
did a quick turnaround and caught one going from the
trees across the little opening to some other trees. So
he was following me all the way, and I think
they do that for the apples. They know I'm gonna
leave apples out there. But as soon as he's seen
me turn around and look at him too, he dropped
right down on all fours and went right behind some trees.
And and he knew it too. He was being sneaky.
But I think they do go down on all fours
a lot more than people think. They're not always fully upright.
I think they move really well. On all fours. You're
less likely to be seen. And I know they can
move really fast on all fours because the one that
ran across the road in front of me, he was booking,
I mean absolutely flying. He could have chased the deer down.
He could chase people down. They could chase whatever down.
They're going to catch it. They're that fast. So I
know they're out there. I love going out looking for them.
I respect them. I know they're there, they know them
out there. I go out there every day, try to anyway.
I like to leave them, like I said, leave them apples.
But it's just you have to find the right area
where they feel comfortable, where you know they're at. This
is the area I go in is not Chazowitzka. It's
south of Chazowitzka, but it's protected area. People aren't allowed
in there. There's tons of food in there for them,
tons of water. It's just if you were a bigfoot,
that's a great place to live. And I would have
never went in there unless they started pushing the deer
out of there. And that's what got me going in
there because growing up being a trapper, you know, I
look for track, I look for sign. I like to
go out and see. I try to find every animal
in the forest every time I go out, and I'm
pretty successful at it. He taught me a lot and
I'm grateful for them. So I basically every time I
go out, I apply all my knowledge and I try
to be as quiet as possible. Be respectful. You know,
they know you're out there and you're not going to
sneak up on them, So just go out there and
have a good time with it. You know, you can't
be serious about it, and definitely don't want to go
into areas where you shouldn't. You know, I respect certain areas.
I've already been warned basically when they don't feel comfortable
if you're getting too close and believe it or not.
I don't know why, but I encounter a lot of
coyotes with bigfoot and I don't know if they're using
them for guard dogs. I don't know if they feed them,
but they are close because usually if I get near one,
I'm always hearing the other. So I really think they
might feed them and keep them close to them so
that way the coyote hears and alerts the bigfoots know
that you're coming. So it's not an easy task. You know.
Best we could do is go out, look for sign
and most sightings are accidental road crossings or right place,
right time, so it's just gotta be careful out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always good advice. Before I start through in
questions at you, Tim, I just want to thank you
so much for your service to our country. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Vick. Oh, No, all the things goes to you.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: When you had your first sighting there, you said you're
in the middle of a blizzard. A lot of eyewitness
says a reported seeing sasquatch and fell weather like that.
What I'm wondering is, why do you think it is
that they'd be up and about and weather like that
instead of hunkered down.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the the youngest one, it was. It was playing
like a kid in the snow, like like we do
when I was growing up. If it was snow and
we were outside building making snowman, you know, throwing snowballs.
The infant was out playing in the snow. It was
having fun, and the mother was out there interacting with it,
and dad basically stood stood watch. So I think it
was you know, it's just cool. It's fun. It's fun
for them, it's fun for us. And for fifteen minutes
they played around up there on this ridge, and after
fifteen minutes back into the woods they went down the
other side of the ridge. But I do believe it
was for enjoyment.
Speaker 1: So Junior saw it as almost be in a snowdy.
Speaker 2: Then, yes, sir, he was loving it.
Speaker 1: It sure sounds like you was before you saw that family.
What were your thoughts on the existence of Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: I really didn't know much about Bigfoot growing up in
mid seventies. All we had was basically television. There was
no internet, no computers, no nothing like that, so you
didn't hear. You didn't have social media expose you to
things I got chased off a mountain once with a
bunch of my friends. But it was at night in
the dark. Something growled at us, so I can't be,
you know, sure on what it was. It was something
I never heard before at growled. So there was about
eight or ten of us. You know, we're just young,
ten twelve year old kids, so we just saw haul that.
So I never thought about Bigfoot in my life. Really,
you know, you don't hear that. In the early eighties,
I was in the Army and still didn't have self
and all that stuff then either, you know, see, you
didn't even hear about Bigfoot except if you've seen something
on TV and then just happen to be out there
at ammunition storage point in the middle of a blizzard
and watch the three of them up on the ridge
probably i'd say about half a mile from me at
the most, quarter to a half mile away, you know.
And I've been to range estimation school. Being a toe gunner,
I had to take a lot of classes learn every vehicle,
so I'm not shooting friendlies range estimation classes, so I'm
a very good I've been highly trained. They don't want
you shooting missiles at something that's too far away. See,
they teach you distance. You've got to be really good
at reading distance. So when I do visually see something,
I'm usually pretty spot on for how far away it is.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a given. There's life before an
experience like you see in that family, in life after.
I can only imagine how that would have affected you.
Now when you moved to Florida years later and almost
hit that skun keep, were you open to the possibility
that they were in Florida two before you laid eyes
on that one?
Speaker 2: Not at all. Bigfoot was the first furthest thing from
my mind. Basically, I lived by wiki watching. My mother
lived by Silver Springs, and I would typically if she
needed help for something, I would run up there and
help her out, and sometimes I'd spend the night. Sometimes
i'd come right back. I basically went up there, did
some work, helped her with some problem with her house.
But I had to work the following morning in spring Hill.
So I got up real early, about three in the morning,
and I drove south to Bellevue and was cutting across
on four eighty four, and I'm just trying to get
to my county so I could do my eight hour
shift and go home, and that thing just happened. Me
and one other vehicle he was not far behave was
pretty close to me. We were just cruising right along
him and I four in the morning, nobody else out
and this thing just comes out of nowhere on the
right side of the road. And you know, I drive
with two feet, even though I drive an automatic. You
know you shouldn't do that, But I drive with two
feet and I've always done that, so I'd break very quickly.
I don't have to pull my foot off the gas pedal.
I usually pretty much had my foot, my left foot
right by my brake pedal always, So when this thing
came out, I'm thinking deer bear, and I just basically
nailed the brake, quick glanced the mirror, made sure the
guy behind me wasn't going to hit me, and look
back forward, you know. And I came to a stop
real quick, and this thing was right in front of
my headlight on my driver's side, and he could literally
if he had have reached his arm out, he could
have touched my hood, that's how close he was. And
he looked right at me, I mean, and it just
it scared to sit out of me. I was. I
couldn't believe it. It was the last thing I was
expecting to happen. Is I never saw that coming. I
just it floored me, it really did. And then to
have the gentleman approach my truck and say, you know,
that was a bigfoot, I was like, yeah, I'm glad
somebody else saw that. You know, it's always good when
there's witnesses to something someone sees, because that way you
don't think you're crazy, you know. I was in disbelief.
I was in shock. I had never even thought about that.
And then after my sighting, I ended up, you know,
starting to look online and I seen that swamp a
photo it's been online for quite some time now, the
one that kind of looks like an orangu thing. He's
down on the ground or some meadow bushes to the
right of him, and it looked very similar to that.
But what I saw was all black and just mean looking.
I couldn't believe it. It just it looked pissed. It
really did.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't doubt that at all, consider how pissed
off it looked and the fact that it made eye
contact with you. Either perfect person to ask this question
when you looked in its eyes, did the eyes seem
more animalistic or more like that of a human?
Speaker 2: They were black, black, black. But when he when he
was in the headlight and he looked at me, I
could almost I want to say, I seen red eye shine.
But as he cleared the headlight and got back out
of the direct headlight, I could see his eyes were
just they were coal black. I couldn't even see the
whites of his eyes. The color his everything in his eye.
It literally filled his eye. There was no whites on
the corners, on the sides. And I do want to say,
when when he went past the headlight, when he was
directly in front of it looking at me, I could
see red in it, like he had some type of
red reflective something in the back of his eye. I
don't know. But as he got out from in front
of the headlight, he, you know, for five seconds, he
had his head turn looking right at me. I was
looking at him right in the face, and once he
cleared that headlight, I could see his eyes were just
like the blackest evil black I've ever seen. And he
almost his mouth wasn't open, and it was almost like
he was giving me an evil smirk. Kind of his
mouth wasn't open. He wasn't, you know, for running as
fast as he was, he didn't have to have his
mouth open. He was breathing through his nose. And I
want to say he had almost an evil smirk on
his face, like like he was pissed off.
Speaker 1: At me.
Speaker 2: And he was not happy. It is all I could say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't sound like he was. As he was
standing there looking at you, steering you down for about
five seconds, did he ever do anything that gave you
the impression that he was thinking about coming for you.
Speaker 2: No, he just he wanted across the road. But it
put the fear in God of me. When I realized
that I don't hear him, and I knew I should
have been hearing him. That that literally put the fear
of God in me. The country boy he turned around ran,
I mean he was running and I it did it
put the fear of God in him too, because that
way it was very scary looking, you know, and five
hundred pounds four to five hundred pounds easy and just
so fast. We both knew that if it charged out
of the darkness on the edge of the road, it
could be on you or him. Me or him before
you could even get a step. It was that fast.
It just incredibly fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I call cartoon fast. How would you
describe his nose? Was it hooded or more like that
of Gorilla's nose?
Speaker 2: It was more flat to his face, and it was
pretty wide. His nostrils were fairly big, you know, but
this thing was running, so you would expect to see
a flared nostril, but his nose was flat. I was
surprised pretty wide too, I'd say three four inch wide
at the ball them, like it was pushed in flat wide.
His skin was real dark color, wrinkly a little bit.
He just he looked so unkept, so dirty, so nasty,
like he had been in the swamps. He's like never
taking a bath, never worked on his hair. It was
just the hair was hanging in like dreads that were
like four or five inches long. The hair was matted
and just tangled, and I would say a good four
to five inch long, like dreadlocks. Almost. Because it was
so nasty looking, just dirty, you could tell this thing
was in the swamps at some point.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he was. Don't doubt that at all.
When you consider how it had a flat nose the
way it did, and then this nostrils are wide open.
It just makes you wonder how they can swim the
way they do, the way they seem swim like it's
going out of style, because you think the water would
just run right in their nostrils.
Speaker 2: I imagine they they've had a lot of long time
to figure that out. You know, I do know they
swim the otterman up around Alaska. The Natives call him
Otterman because they catch them swimming from island to island.
The Indians here in Florida, the Seminoles. I lived in
the Apalachical And National Forest for a while, spoke with
Seminole Indians there and they said that they're great swimmers.
They told me that they will actually go in alligator
dens and sleep in there. And I guess here in Florida,
alligator den is basically you've got to dive down underwater.
These alligators will build tunnels into sides of rivers and
lakes and they'll tunnel back, you know, thirty feet, and
then they tunnel up and they the gate excavate these rooms.
Basically in these rooms, it's a big air bubble in there,
and you could fit twenty thirty gaters in there. Sometimes
they get that big that many of them will go
in there too. But the Seminole Indians I've had, Like
I met with a group of probably seven eight guys
in Tallahassee and they told me, they said that they'll
go in alligator dens. They'll force the alligators out and
go and sleep in the dens. Like multiple bigfoots will
go in there, swim in there, swim underwater and go
in the alligator dens and sleep there during the day.
And another thing, my brother in Tallahassee works for the
state of Florida. They guard a dam at Lake Talquin.
One of the residents there one year called and my
brother went out there to speak with the older woman
because evidently this woman has had issues. She feeds alligators
and you're not supposed to do that. Well, this particular year,
evidently she called up to file a complaint. So my
brother responded, went out there, and you know, with her history,
everybody knew she fed the gators and she got fined
for it. Not supposed to be doing that. So my
brother went up and talked to her and she told him,
she said, the bigfoots keep taking my alligators, and I
wanted to stop, and my brother said, excuse me, and
she said, yeah, she said, the bigfoots keep taking my alligators.
Every time the alligators come up out of the lake
into my yard, the bigfoots run out, pick them up,
and run off with them. So I guess she was
feeding the alligators again. And so when the gators were
coming up in her yard to get the chickens, she
feeds them raw chicken. And I guess the bigfoots were
running out of the woods snatching up for alligators and
running off with them. And it does sound feasible. I
believe they probably would consider that a good food item. Oh,
you don't hear much about him eating gaters or but
you know, those are usually pretty remote areas and people
don't much go where all the big gators are.
Speaker 1: If you have the means to feed on a gater,
then yeah, that'd be a heck of a good food
source in Florida in a lot of places. So I
can't blame him for doing that. Do you think that
skunky looked so angry because of you almost hitting it,
or because it just looked that way all the time.
Speaker 2: I think it was angry because we were in its
way basically, you know, we approached on it, it was crossing
the road, and it just was not happy to see
us at all, you know, almost like we were trespassing,
and it made a statement. It basically looked at me
and it let me know. I could see it's facial expression.
He wanted me to know he was not happy.
Speaker 1: They're intelligent, and when these guys want to get their
point across by anything like that, they're masterful at doing that.
They definitely are when you consider how agile and fast
it was, even though it was about five hundred pounds.
You said, it sure sounds to me like he was
playing by a different set of rules than all other animals.
Do do you think that was the case, And if so,
what do you think sasquatch actually are.
Speaker 2: I actually think there's personally, because I've seen two different type.
I honestly believe the swamp ape business subspecies he's very similar,
but he's not the same. I've literally I've seen the
difference and what is not the same as the other
They there it's night and day. You could you could
see it if you if you've been looking enough to
see both of them, you would agree with me that
they are not the same animal. So I think the
swamp ape he's a little more primitive. I I do believe.
I don't think he's as as intelligent as the upright,
the typical Sasquatch. I think those guys are a whole
lot smarter, and uh, their attributes are just off the chain.
It's you're never gonna catch them, You're never gonna sneak
up on them. You're you're not gonna out talk them.
It's you know, you're it's like playing three D chess
with these guys. When you go out in the woods,
they're just three steps ahead of you. They can see further,
they could hear further, they could smell you coming. Their
vision is just top notch, top shelf. They got built
in night vision. They could see in pitch black. If
you ever watched the Stacey footage out of the Panhandle,
the thermal footage where him and his son went out
to the state park, this thing was looking right at
him and even the father Stacy's he said that this
thing was looking right at me. And he said there
was it was cloudy, no moon, it was pitch black.
You couldn't see your hand in front of your face.
And when he picked up the bigfoot looking at him
on Thermal, he said, it was looking right at me.
He said, it knew exactly where we were. It was
looking right at me. And then it stepped across the
opening the path. That's when he got that great footage
on Thermal and that's when he panicked and told his son.
You know, he realized that this thing could flank them.
It was headed toward the vehicle. He didn't want to
get caught off in the woods in the dark with
his son. He knew this thing could see, and that
scared him, and that's why they returned to the truck
right away. He didn't want this thing to flank him,
get in between him and his truck, you know, so
they can see in absolute darkness. I believe they go
in caves. Indians have said that they're really good at
hiding caves. And the Indians, you know, you're talking people
that grow up in the woods before even the white
man got here. They would go out there and run
into these things. You know, they had a lot of
respect for him. But those guys said, you know, these
things do live in caves. They do hide them very well,
you know, And the Indians didn't want nothing to do
with them. Basically, they tried to avoid them.
Speaker 1: Well, even when it comes to the Indians, a Sasquatch
it every advantage, so I can understand why they felt
that way. One of the things I'm wondering about considering
how that Sasquatch, being about five hundred pounds was able
to move the way it did. Are you open to
the idea, to the possibility that what you bumped into
that night might have been a spiritual being the way
so many people in the Sasquatch community see them as being,
or you convinced that what you saw that night was
just a flesh and blood animal. Absolutely, it was flesh
and blood. You know, I've had so much training on
identifying things and range estimation, and you know, you name
it across the board. I've trained for it, and this thing,
being five feet from the he could have touched my hood.
Speaker 2: He was that close to my hood. There was no
doubt he was. He was flesh and bone, he was muscular,
he was fast. I never did smell him. I imagine he
probably smelled really bad by the way he looked. But
when I got out of my truck, I wasn't out
of my truck very long. I did not smell him,
but it dawned on me right away that I don't
hear him, and I should have been hearing this thing
running away, and that scared me bad, knowing how fast
he was. I believe they go on all fours a lot.
When I go out squatching and looking around, I find
knuckle prints or handprints more so than I find a footprint.
Finding an upright footprint is kind of rare for me.
I've only found a handful, but I find knuckle marks
or hand marks, and i've recently. At first, when I
seen them, I didn't pay him much mind. Now I
try to track every animal. I grew up trapping, so
I know all the critters. I know what to look for.
So every time I go out, I am looking for bigfoot,
but I'm looking for their food. I'm looking for the
other animals, you know. And I tend I kept finding
these marks and I couldn't figure out what they were.
And speaking with John Renier, he had posed the question
to me. One day he sent me some photos. I
examined him. I told him, you know, that's that's odd.
I've I've seen that you know, and I went back
looked through some photos and found some and very similar
to what he's been finding. And I think their handprints,
I think they're down on all fours more that way,
they're not leaving that whole footprint. They know when they
walk somewhere, they're leaving footprints depending on the ground. So
I think they kind of go down on all fours to,
you know, to keep out of sight, even to the
other animals. They don't want to be spotted because you know,
if deer know they're in the area, the deer are
going to halt, so he wants to be low profile.
So I really do believe they go down on all
fours a lot, and they're they're very efficient at doing it,
very efficient. If you read John's book, all the different
eyewitness accounts, it'll blow your mind that I'm glad I'm
not the only one that's seen one on all fours.
I'm glad that, you know, I've seen other people have
seen the same thing. So now I know I'm not
crazy or I didn't imagine it, that these things do
do do that, and they do it very well, and
it probably explains why they vanish. You know, a lot
of people might see him standing up, But it was
one I caught when I turned around. He was upright
one second and down on all fours so quick, and
he went right behind these small group of trees. And
I was actually video recording, and I at first I
started walking toward him, but then I thought, no, he
was pretty big, and you know, he had a way out,
he had a way to escape, So I thought I
didn't want to push him away. So I took a
couple of three four steps toward him, and then I stopped,
and I thought, no, I shouldn't probably try to walk
up on him. He ain't you all like that? So
I turned around and kept going the way I was going.
But they do go on all fours a lot.
Speaker 1: Cooler heads do prevail. I'm glad you decided to do that.
The day you saw that female that looked like Patty,
did you ever get the impression that she might have
been so nonchalant about you being there, about you seeing
her because she just might not have been alone.
Speaker 2: I believe that it's I call it my honey hoole.
It's it's an area of land that it offers everything
to him, So I know the family is in there.
The woman whose property backs up to that area. You know,
she hears them talking, so that tells me there's more
than one. He ain't in there talking to himself, so
I know the family goes in there. And typically here
in Florida, it's wet and the area is usually it's
underwater most of the year, almost every year. Last year
we were fortunate didn't get any bad hurricanes late in
the season. So Florida has gone through a drought this
past year. And I've actually been able to walk into
some of those areas and they're not in there. And
I don't blame them. I think they follow the water.
They moved more towards Chadsowitz go more toward the Gulf
of Mexico. It's very swampy out there. Never have the
you know, it doesn't matter if we're in a drought
because there's all that brackish water from the Gulf of Mexico,
and we got the wiki Watchy River dumping out in there.
And there's literally if you go off the coast of
Hernando Citrus County's Cedar Key Homo Sassa area, there are
literally hundreds of small islands out there and it's all
swampy it's so remote you can't walk out there. You
can't get there unless you go by boat. So this
past year, with the drought, I've been able to go
into that area where they're heard all the time, where
I've seen Patty. I've watched her walk into there, so
I know they're in there. But with the drought being here,
I was able to go in there, and it was
like if you ever been in a cypress swamp and
they take all the water out, It's it's like it's
Jurassic or Cretaceous period. It's it's so different than anywhere
I've ever been to be able to go into these
swamps that were dry, you know, and just be able
to access areas that I have never been able to
get to before. So I've been in there. I've found
tracks and stuff. But it's a really interesting area. It
offers everything to these guys, and when we do have
a rainy season, they come right back into that area,
you know. So they do follow the water, they follow
the food, and I do believe they stay in groups.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound like a grey theory for a
sasquatch to run around. Did Patty seem to defy gravity
as she walked away from you after she saw you.
Speaker 2: She basically, I swear it. It looks so similar to
Patty on Patterson Gimblin. She had about the same gait.
She just walked nonchalantly. She knew I was there. You know,
I didn't try to sneak in there. I was pretty
announced going right into there, and she just didn't seem
to care, like I was no threat to her, and
she knew it. So she just gotten She just walked
like I don't care. And she forty yards through open
pine savannah, and I just watched her walk. I could
see her breast swinging every bit of seven feet tall,
maybe seven to eight feet, and she was heavy, she's
I would honestly, I'd say she had to be at
least eight hundred pounds, and just walked right away from
me like she didn't care, didn't have a care in
the world. I didn't pursue her, I didn't go after her.
Speaker 1: Of course, you weren't a threat to her at all.
But even with that in mind, I still wouldn't be
surprised if she wasn't alone. Of Course, we're never going
to know for sure about that, but it really wouldn't
surprise me. Now, you told us about that lady who
used to live on the edge of that swamp and
how she moved due to that activity that she heard overnight.
If you would have found out about her desire to
move before she actually did, do you think you ever
would have considered buying her house from her?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Definitely. Uh. And it's funny. It's it's very close to
where I live now, and it just it's in a
sweet spot and it backs right up to this big
nature preserve and it's swampy back there, so you can't
get in there. It's full of cypress trees. Even in
the daylight. If you pull into this one area and
you look back in there, it's just it's pitch black
in there. It's it's like nighttime up underneath these cypress trees.
When you look back in this swamp, it's so thick
so and it's there's the waters, you know, three four
feet deep. You ain't going to go in there. It's
full of water moccasins and god knows what else. Alligators,
I'm sure. So they're pretty safe in there and they
know it.
Speaker 1: If you were able to buy her house somehow, if
you wanted to research, you could just go in and
sit on the back deck. It'd be as simple as that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I believe it's much easier for someone to
get them on audio than it would be to get
a siding. You're never going to go out and just
have a sighting. That's just not going to happen. It's
like looking for a seer instructor on steroids. You know,
somebody who's trained their whole life to not be seen,
not be found, and just all his senses far exceed
ours as far as hearings, eyesight, smell. You're not going
to go out and see them. But I believe audio
recording is the way to go. I believe you'll hear
them a lot more than you will see them. I
really admire the people to put the the recorders out
and leave them out there for weeks or months and
then go back in and get it. And I think
that's a great idea. You're you're going to be more lucky,
You're going to have better results, I believe.
Speaker 1: Do you think you're gonna have a lot better of
a chance of catching them on audio like that than
you are just stumbling into one out there in the woods.
So I agree, when you saw that juvenile behind you
in Chazowitzka. You said that it dropped to all fours
and moved behind a tree. But when it did that,
did it spider crawl or did it just move behind
the tree on all fours away?
Speaker 2: In Apewood, it it was basically following me. I years
ago I found this where I found the really big track.
The reason I went there and found the big track
is because it's a ridge, real steep embankment going down.
It's real thick woods, full of palmetow bushes and trees,
and something had built it. It almost looked like an igloo,
and I could never figure it out. I had an
entrance on it, and this thing's built on a really
steep hill and it's right on the side of it,
and the entrance was kind of pointing up the hill,
you know, and it just something about it didn't make
a lot of sense, and you could tell something's been
going in there. So I would never approach it. I
didn't want my smell to contaminate the area ever, So
I would stand on top of this ridge take pictures,
and then i'd leave. I'd come back, you know, a
couple weeks later, take some more photos. Leave, and that
way I could go home and review the pictures and
see if this thing had changed, or if it was
being built or messed with, or if something was going
in and out. And there were always some changes to
the structure I want to call it. So I went
out there one day and I heard noise from down
past where this thing's built on the side of this bank,
and I actually have it on video, and I caught
a couple deer coming across right below this thing. So
I finally thought, you know, I'm going to climb down
there and really get a good look at everything. I
had never climbed down there. I've been looking at it
from on top of the ridge. So I climbed down there,
and basically it was a game trail, and whatever built
this thing built it right on the uphill side of
the game trail, right on it, and to me, it
really looked like a hunting blind. But people don't hunt there.
You're not allowed to hunt there. Something built something there
right on top of that game trail for the deer.
The deer traveled through there like crazy. I didn't know
it until I climbed down there, but I kind of
believe they sit on the backside of this ridge. That's
where the juvenile followed me from. I would go to
that structure and look down there and check it out.
And I believe they would use that like a hunting blind.
They would sit in there and wait for the deer
to come, and then they'd chase them down to kill them.
But I would I usually I'll go to that area
first and I'll take some pictures and look around. And
that's where I found that twenty two inch track, and
something kind of made a bed on the ground out
of palmeadows, and I thought, oh, that's odd, and I'm
looking at the bed thing on the ground, and that's
why I looked over and I seen the track, and
I went over there, and oh, my god, that put
the fear of God in me, because I thought twenty
two inch. This thing must be massive, you know. And
I carry a pistol, but nine millimeters wouldn't do nothing
but piss him off. This thing was He had to
be huge. He had to be a thousand pounds. Whatever
left that track, and I couldn't even dent the ground.
Here in Florida, we have compressed limerock and sand and
the ground is so hard, and this thing put. It
was in the ground an inch deep. I couldn't believe it.
I was stomping on the ground next to it, and
I couldn't even leave a mark. So whatever left the
twenty two inch track, it weighed every bit of a
thousand pounds or more. So I typically i'll go to
that area first, I'll take a few photos of that
structure to see how it's been changing over time, and
I leave out and leave out going a different way,
and that's when the juvenile. I usually announce myself when
I get in there to let them know because I'm
not fooling them. They know them there, and I really
do believe that they do remember individuals. They recognize people,
they know strangers. You know, if they see somebody and
they've never seen them before, I believe they know that
that's a stranger to them. So I left that area
one day and you go down and it's through some
pretty thick brush. It's almost like a tunnel. It's really
really cool area. And then it comes up over a
hill and you're out in a basically a meadow a field,
and it's beautiful. And I probably went about one hundred
yards and I made the crest of the field and
I quick turned around, and this thing came from the
heavy woods and he was following me. There was no
other reason for him to be going where he was going.
And he basically as soon as I turned around, he's
seen me turning around. He went purposely. He went like
right into the push up position quick and right behind
these trees. When he hit the ground, the grass itself
hit them all. This meadow, it's a beautiful meadow, almost
looks like wheat growing in there. So when he dropped down,
he didn't even have to be behind the trees. He
hadn't even made the trees yet. And when he dropped down,
he vanished from sight in the grass. And I know
he was moving to this small group of trees, and
he could. He could. He had the option to withdraw
in the opposite direction for me and make it back
to the main woods. You know. So he had he
had an exit and he knew it. I knew it.
So I didn't want to walk out there. I started to,
and then I hesitated and thought, nah, probably not the
best idea, and I just turned around and kept going.
So I do believe they do follow you. You know,
they're curious, they know what you're doing. They remember me.
I believe. I feed them, I bring them apples, I
let them know. One there and I leave, and I
think they remember me. I really do.
Speaker 1: Well. That makes two of us. Yeah, I'm sure you've
definitely left an impression on them. I don't doubt that
at all. Well, Tim, I can't thank you enough for
coming on and share the details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned John's book. This sounds like one
heck of a good read for everyone listening to tonight's show.
So that you know, I'm going to put a link
to John's book in the description for tonight's show. That'll
make it really easy to find and purchase. But having
said that, thanks against so much for your time, Tim,
I really do appreciate it, and I hope you have
a great night.
Speaker 3: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
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great night.