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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Brett and Harley from the Only Okase Show.

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Speaker 2: And when I'm not gleaming the cube or justing my swatchwatch,

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we're listening to this Syearly you Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Welcome back to the Shurley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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We have a special song for you that we will

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play at the end of the episode that by the

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Surely you Can't Be Serious band, little bluesy lethal weapon

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sounding number that incorporates a little lethal weapon one and

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a lot of lethal weapon two. Because today, boys and girls,

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ladies and gentlemen, we are here to talk about the

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two best sequels from nineteen eighty nine, Indiana Jones in

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the Last Crusade versus Lethal Weapon Twodee.

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting to talk about the sequels from nineteen

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eighty nine with you for over a year. We've been

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talking about this matchup for a long time, long time.

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Speaker 2: We're finally here, Yes, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm just here to remind you only a penitent man

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will pass an ex never.

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Speaker 2: Ever marks the spot. So you're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: My soul is prepared. How's yours?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Very good? Yes, my soul is prepared as

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well as are my notes. This was a fun one

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to dive into. It's crazy because I mentioned in our

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last episode, Hey, I know the tie in between these

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two movies, these two incredible sequels from nineteen eighty nine,

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and you you called them that. I remember you saying that,

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you know, two best sequels of nineteen eighty nine, And

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the thought that went through my head was, well, yeah,

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but this is the third Indiana Jones. That's right movie.

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But then I remembered the second Indiana Jones movie is

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not a sequel.

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Speaker 1: You are correct, And when you told me that, I

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was like, oh man, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's a prequel. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

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takes place before the events in Raiders of the Lost.

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It is a prequel, And so Indiana Jones and the

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Last Crusade is technically the first Indie sequel before we

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Speaker 1: Is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade the best name

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they could come up with for this.

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Speaker 2: Movie, well, given that they probably thought it was the

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last one. It's kind of like you know Ozzy Osbourne's

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No More Tours tour, right, which I mean how many

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tours ago was that? I mean he spent ting a

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bunch of them since then. I think that, you know,

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Harrison was probably pretty emphatic that this was going to

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be his last movie. But I can also tell you,

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going back to what I was saying, the connective tissue

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between these two they're both written by the same guy.

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Jeffrey Boham wrote both of these just before nineteen eighty nine,

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obviously so that they had time to make the movies.

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But he even said in nineteen ninety six, saw an

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interview he did in nineteen ninety six. At that time

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he was working on another Indiana Jones movie script and

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he said, Spielberg's for it, Lucas is for it. Our

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only hang up is whether Harrison Ford's going to do

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it or That was in ninety six.

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Speaker 1: I heard about one that Frank Dearbond worked on in

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the late nineties that could have been awesome. The stories

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that we got before this, like the scripts that were

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submitted and stuff, are fascinating. Yeah, you know, Spielberg's Jewish,

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so doing a movie on the Holy Grail, I don't

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know if it is necessarily super comfortable for him. And

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there are other continents and places we could have gone.

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with the Indiana Jones franchise.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely one percent. I was struggling on this one. We've

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talked about Jeffrey Bohm before, right, As a matter of fact,

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we've talked about him several times before because we know

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that he did Lost Boys, we know that he did

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The Dead Zone. He was actually an uncredited script writer

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on Lethal Weapon one, which we did in the first

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season as well versus Diehard. Yeah, he was called in

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to work on Shane Black script because he was a

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this is the fourth and fifth movies that we've talked

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. I wouldn't have thought about.

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Speaker 2: That, right, And then you and I were talking and

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young man, fifty three years old. It had a lung condition.

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and so I'm kind of excited to talk about his history.

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really delved into before. Okay, and this is these are

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the rabbit holes that I went down. All right, So

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which do you think is the older reference? Okay, diplomatic

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immunity or the Holy Grail. Well, it's got to be

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the Holy Grail, right You would think that, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: Yes? Interesting, Yeah, So let's just let's start.

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Speaker 2: Let's start talking about it. Okay, diplomatic community. Diplomatic immunity

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can be traced back as far as the rama Gyana,

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which is an Indian like a holy book that has

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a lot of history from Ramayana, rama Yana, Ramayana. This

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is an important work in Indian history, right okay, and

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it's now. The thing is is that it's had a

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lot of different variations over several centuries, but it dates

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back to as early as the seventh century, that's the

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six hundred years before Christ. And within it is the

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concept of diplomatic immunity. Wow, so well before Christ. But

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even that's the earliest reference to the Grail, but we'll

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talk about that in a minute. So in the Ramayana,

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there is a part where one of the demon kings

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is ordering the killing of this this prince, and his

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younger brother says, hey, no messengers and diplomats should not

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be killed per ancient practices. So it was even an

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ancient practice six hundred years before Christ. Wow, diplomatic community.

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I would have had no idea. But if you just

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give it a little thought, think about the movie three hundred.

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a message, right, yeah, yeah, and he and then all

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of a sudden they're like surrounding the messengers around that

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big old well. Everybody remembers this part right, right, and

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he's like this is crazy, and he's like, this is

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a sparta, right because he kills the messenger, which was

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against custom. You weren't supposed to kill the messenger unless

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in some circumstances they made obscenely high demands, which I

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they have the battle, the lords walk, they ride their

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horses out to the middle of the battlefield and they

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him in a circle, like causing trouble. And it's all

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this idea that in order to have a good relationship

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with somebody that you might be at war with, in

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order to endeavor to engage in peace, you have to

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give those diplomats, those messengers, if you will, immunity. And

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what's crazy is it's still exists today.

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Speaker 1: Our buddy James Buckley spent one day at work on

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the Louisiana State payroll writing up specific notes for us

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on this very topic under the bus after he helped you,

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I am no I scratch that. I'm super thankful that

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he did that, but he came up with some interesting stuff.

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I'm gonna throw this at you real quickly. So obviously,

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diplomatic community still applies in the United States today or

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and around the world. So listen to this. In nineteen

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ninety seven, this is just one example. There was a

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ambassador from the Republic of Georgia who killed a teenage

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girl while driving drunk. Georgia, his home country, waived his immunity.

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he'd wave his immunity. So he was tried and did

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time over here. But another example, there was one diplomat's

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son who was accused of raping on fifteen separate rape

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charges Holy and when they were like, dude, you're going

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to jail, they were like, diplomatic community, man, we're not

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: So they what country it doesn't say, oh, doesn't say,

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but they kicked him out of the country.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't prosecute him.

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Speaker 1: They didn't arrest him, no, but he tried to pull

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the diplomatic community thing like, my son, this is not

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US soil, right, your laws don't a play here.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the accurate reading of the statute. Yeah,

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is basically Geneva Convention and well before it. Obviously thousands

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of years of this practice. It has been the practice

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that the diplomats to a foreign country are not bound

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with the drunk driving guy, the home country can say

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making them a person non grata, which means, hey, you

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can do with it what you want to do with them, right.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, parking tickets in and around New York City.

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Speaker 2: It's a big problem.

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Speaker 1: It's reported that New York City has said that they

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are owed sixteen million dollars in unpaid parking tickets from

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diplomat sixteen sixteen million dollars ho cow how about that.

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I mean, how much is a parking ticket in fifty

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Speaker 2: So sixteen million dollars of fifty dollars parking tickets. How

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many diplomats are there?

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Speaker 1: Diplomatic community? Oh my gosh, take this parking ticket and

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shove it.

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Speaker 2: I like, guys, quit patrol on the un parking lot please,

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it's a waste of time all right.

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Speaker 1: By the way, According to the Bayou barrister, mister James Buckley, yeah,

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he said that. According to him, the end of lethal

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weapon two Arjin Rudd should have been arrested and tried,

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and that MYRTA probably would have been arrested as well.

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You don't just get to shoot diplomats.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to revoke their immunity.

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Speaker 1: No, but it was really boked, really satisfying to watching

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shoot it.

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Speaker 3: It's Jeff been revoked.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, what a great plan, like if you

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South African diplomats, like, hey, we can engage in this

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drug trade, yeah, and we can claim diplomatic community.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I had a thought the other day

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and I sent you a picture. I text you a

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picture at the very beginning which this Lethal Weapon two

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starts off with a bang. You get the little Looney

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you do. Right as the WB comes up.

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You get just a little taste of Looney Tunes, which

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is appropriate for rigs.

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Speaker 1: On I'm totally fine with. Yeah, and you dive right

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into a car chase. That's mid chase.

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Speaker 2: Mid chase. And I watched this one with Rock and

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he was like, I kind of fell asleep and we

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watched the first one. Do I really need to know stuff?

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I'm like, no, I mean, as long as you know

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the relationship exists and that he was crazy and suicidal

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before and at the end they're friends and he's not

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suicidal anymore, that's all the matter. And we start in

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the middle of the car chase and he's like, so,

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is this the end of Lethal Weapon? I'm like, no, no, no,

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this is like a completely separate story. You don't have

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, I love how it starts off with

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get started either. You're right in the middle of a

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buddying adventure at right beginning right but Letho Weapon two,

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you're right in the middle of a car chase and

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bat where Riggs takes over pushes Murta to the side

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gonnase He's gonna try and get up and around and

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he's like, there's not enough room, Riggs.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, I love the eighties, the eighties time

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capsule where he's like, oh, yeah, you're already going sixty

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five And he's like, oh my gosh, I know right,

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my wife's dnew corn. I'm not going any faster.

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Speaker 3: You're doing sixty five now set the.

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Speaker 1: He's about what that's back when it was illegal to

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go over fifty five miles per hour anywhere. Yeah, But

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they chase this guy. They're talking South Africa. Helicopters show up,

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machine guns. The LA police realize, holy crap, this is

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more than just your standard drug bust. The car flip's

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over and they hear something kind of shuffle in the back.

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When Riggs karate kicks open the trunk, all these gold

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coins fall out. Well, those are South African krue grants kruegerrands.

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I was sixteen and nothing, I'm like, krue grands. I

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don't know what that is. So those were currency from

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South Africa which was illegal to use in the United

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States because we had this complicated relationship with South Africa

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due to apartheid.

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Speaker 2: Right that suckers worth.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five hundred dollars wow per one kruwe grant.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So you think about how many fell out of the

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trunk there in nineteen eighty nine dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's fantastic. Here you go. Okay, So I

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told you how old the diplomatic community is. Yes, now

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we got to talk about the Holy the question for

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the Grail, there's no archeology. It's a race against evil.

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If it is captured by.

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Speaker 5: The Nazis, the armies of darkness will march all over

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the face of the earth.

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Speaker 2: Do you understand me?

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny, by the way, when you're like,

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it's six hundred years before Christ, Well, lucky for us,

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we're talking about the Cup of Christ. So we know

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exactly how long it is before the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 2: Right, except not really, because we did a little Bible

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research beforehand, right, yeah. And him talking about drinking out

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of a cup at the Last Supper, it do it

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mentions a cup, and he talks about sharing the cup.

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I mean, in Matthew and Mark and Luke, every single

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gospel for the first three mentions this. Hey, I'm gonna

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drink out of this cup and I'm gonna pass it

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to you. But nowhere in there is there anything about

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it giving you everlasting life. Nowhere in there is there

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anything about Joseph of Arimathea using this same cup to

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catch his blood when he's on the cross us right, No, Alexandrada,

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Alex right. I mean, now there's there. When I asked

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you about it, you were like, well, there's this part

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where he's talking about the if you drink from drink

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from the well, that gives you eternal life. But I'm like,

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where's that? And you said John four, and I'm like,

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that's way too early for this supper. That's true, that's

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the lady at the well. Right, let me read you.

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Speaker 1: John four to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Reallyeah, they do it.

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Speaker 1: But whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed,

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the water I give them, will become in them a

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spring of water welling up to eternal life.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Now that's the woman.

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Speaker 2: At the well. That's that's symbolism talk boys and girls.

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That's a parable that is not He is not talking

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about a cup that is the fountain of youth or

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that gives you eternal life.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't wash away bullet holes, and it certainly is not

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something that you. I mean for you to get immortality,

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but you got to stay within a fifty foot radius

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of the not.

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Speaker 2: Very worth while, not very good.

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Speaker 1: I've like that night stay for nine hundred years.

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Speaker 2: I texted you a picture. There's the scene at the

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end where the earthquake is happening and the night is

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just standing there with a look on his face watching

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everything crumble. And I'm like, I have been in that

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guy's shoes before. Were you like you do all of

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this stuff for your kids? You're like, you've built all

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of this stuff, and they just zoom in and immediately

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destroy everything, and You're just like, well that was worth

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six hundred's in a cave by myself.

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Speaker 1: Waiting here for you guys to come along and screw

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everything up in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at least I get to die now, Okay,

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so Holy Grail. Yes, I'm gonna butcher this name, but

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I'm gonna try anyway, because it's a French name. Chritian

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de Torres is the author of the Arthurian Legends from

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the mid eleven hundreds to eleven ninety and eleven ninety

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he wrote Perceval and the Grail, which, if if you

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are a ready player one fan, you remember that's why

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he gave his avatar that name of Percival is because

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Perceval is related to the Holy Grail. Right. But the

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thing was is that Troyes didn't finish it. He died. Okay,

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So this is an unfinished poem, so many authors since

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then have added to it. This is a thousand years

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after Christ when this idea of the Grail, not the

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Holy Grail, but the Grail comes up because it's only

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just a grail. This is like a thousand years after Christ,

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a thousand years after Christ talking about the legend of

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King Arthur and his knights.

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Speaker 1: And very nearly a thousand years before Monty Python.

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Speaker 2: Yes okay, right, yes, So in the eleven nineties, not

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too long after the story is written, a guy named

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Robert de Baron writes something called Joseph d Arimathea, and

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in that one, the grail is portrayed as Jesus's vessel

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from the Last Supper, which then Joseph of Arimathea uses

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to catch Christ blood at the crucifixion.

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Speaker 3: OK.

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Speaker 2: So this idea of the holy Grail, you know, a

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lot of people will say in Christian tradition, well, yes,

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Christian tradition, that is a thousand years after the fact, right,

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it's after that that the grail becomes holy and it

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becomes interwoven with this idea of a holy chalice that

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he used at the Last Supper, and it gets continued

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in the Lancelot grail cycle, and then later much later

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in the fifteenth century La Morte de author where we

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get most of our King Arthur stories. Now there's just

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some interesting facts, right. The grail is supposed to be

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guarded by the Fisher King. You've heard of the Fisher

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King before. I had no idea that it was related

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to the grail. The King Arthur buffs out there will

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be like really, yeah, no, I'm sorry, not a King

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Arthur buff But he was the last in a long

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line of kings that guards the grail. He is both

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the protector and physical embodiment of his lands. But he's

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got this wound which renders him impotent, and his kingdom's barren,

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and so he's unable to walk, he's unable to ride

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a horse, and he just.

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Speaker 1: Not able to do right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the queens didn't stick around to see what happened

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with the grail, right because there was nothing to stick

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around for. So it portrays him as spending his time fishing.

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The fisher king. He spends his time fishing while he's

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awaiting a chosen one who can heal him of his wound,

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and the healing of the wounds are always dependent upon

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the completion of a hero's knights quest. Interesting see how

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this is all fitting together? Right? Yep, here's another thing.

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Most of the versions of the story have both the

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Holy Grail and this thing called the Lance of Loginous.

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You know, the Lance of Logenus is no nw discovery

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for me. This is the holy Lance. It's called the

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Lance of Logyenus because it was named after Saint Loginus.

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This is the spear of Destiny, or the holy spear

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that is alleged to be the one that pierced Jesus's

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side as he hung on the cross during the crucifixion. Okay,

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there's a mcguffin that's just waiting for a story to

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get written about it, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Spear of Destiny, yes, yes, I'm on board.

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Speaker 2: Yes, not the Dial of Destiny. Not the Dial of Destiny,

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the Spear of Destiny. Yes. So there you go. That

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is the Grail story. And that story is about one

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five hundred years after diplomatic community.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: You gotta love that. Jeffrey Boehm, at basically the same

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time is writing a story about both of these ideas, right, Yeah,

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it's great. So what was it our second episode that

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we did, Raiders of the Lost Ark Verses back to

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the Future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: So we've been talking about this movie for a long time.

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Everybody probably knows the story of Steven Spielberg and George

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Lucas being on the beach building sand cast Steven Spielberg

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saying I think I'm going to try to direct a

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James Bond movie. Yes, right, and then George Lucas saying, no,

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I got a better idea, and his whole thing is

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Indiana Smith, and he has a bull whip and a hat.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And he talks about the old serials that

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used to watch, you know, the Saturday serials.

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Speaker 2: And Spielberg's like, yes, I'm in let's do it now.

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Spielberg says that at that time George told them, hey,

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I've got three different stories. You just have to agree

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to a direct to direct all three. Well. He then

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also says that was a complete lie. He only had

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one story and it was a little bit of a story, right,

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I mean. And Lawrence Casden later on to write the

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fully fleshed out version, but he didn't have any other stories.

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They had to come up with those afterwards once Raiders

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was successful.

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Speaker 1: Didn't George Lucas get the arc story from his dentist?

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I can't remember who it was. Some other person

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gave him the arc of the Covenant as the mcguffin

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after the idea of Indiana Smith had come about. Yeah,

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by the way, Spielberg says, he was the one that

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said we can't do Smith.

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Speaker 1: We have to do John, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good job, yeah, good job.

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Speaker 1: Too close to Nevada Smith.

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Speaker 2: Steve McQueen, Oh okay, yeah, all right, So the next

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story that he wants, that George wants to do is

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the story of this haunted castle and something called the

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Sun King.

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Speaker 1: The Sun King like the first song off of Coulton

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Sonic Temple.

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Speaker 2: Yet, no, no, that's a different thing. Okay, I said

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it wrong, Okay, it is. It is the Monkey King

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or Sunday Kong or something like that, which is this

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Buddhist character. It is a superhero monkey in Buddhist's literature

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from like the sixteenth century that can like talk and

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intelligent and and all I can think is, well, thank goodness.

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Spielberg said, that's a terrible idea. Let's do something else.

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And so what they end up with is Temple of Doom.

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Temple of Doom written by Willard Hyuk and Gloria Katz,

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and they make it a prequel then once Temple of

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Doom's done. So he's got this idea of this character

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from Buddhist culture and this haunted castle. But Spielberg has

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just finished up with doing Poltergeist, which we've talked about before.

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Although it does say it's directed by Toby Hooper, it

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was probably Spielberg who.

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Speaker 1: Really directed to cut his hands all over that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and so he didn't want to do another

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haunted mansion, haunted castle thing, and so that's how they

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ended up with Temple of Doom. But after Temple of

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Doom again the Monkey King and the haunted thing comes

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up again, and Spielberg's like, now, I don't want to

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do that.

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Speaker 1: So after Temple of Doom, Remember, Temple of Doom was

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really dark. Spielberg has even apologized for how dark it is.

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They both were going through divorces, they both had this

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sort of bad attitude about life, and so that's why

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Temple of Doom when you watch it, there's not a

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lot of joy in it. Now, there's some cool action

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scenes that it has its moments, but overall you don't

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feel real great when you're watching Temple of Doom. So

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as early as nineteen eighty four, or Lucas is trying

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to convince Spielberg that the third story should be about

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the Holy Grail, and Spielberg's like, he didn't think that

470
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,039
mcguffin was strong enough.

471
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,839
Speaker 2: At that time, Monty Python had already done it, right.

472
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,039
Speaker 1: They had right, right. So Lucas is like, well, okay,

473
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,000
let's flesh out this haunted house thing and that's when

474
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,440
you know Spielberg had just done pulled your guys to whatever.

475
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:27,759
But Diane Thomas actually wrote a screenplay that contained the

476
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,799
Haunted House story. Now Diane Thomas, if you remember she

477
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,240
wrote Romancing the Stone.

478
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, she.

479
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,759
Speaker 1: Was a waitress. She met Michael Douglass somehow she got

480
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,359
him the script. He loved it. He goes on and

481
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,880
makes Romancing the Stone. That makes her kind of this

482
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:47,160
screenplay superstar. Well, she's killed from a drunk driving accident.

483
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,680
But because of her death and the fact that they

484
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,319
didn't really like the Haunted House story, they kind of

485
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,599
moved on from that. Then they get Chris Columbus to

486
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440
write a screenplay. Now, Chris Columbus, he had worked with

487
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:01,039
Spilberg on Gremlins essentially, Yeah, we talked all about that

488
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:02,200
in our Gremlins episode.

489
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

490
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,279
Speaker 1: He writes the story Indiana Jones and then lost City

491
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,759
of these Sun Kung powd King or whatever it is

492
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,559
right there you go, right, which that contains a lot

493
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,599
of like evil spirits and demons and you know, spiritual stuff.

494
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,319
Speaker 2: Right.

495
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't really like it, so they rejected Chris

496
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,319
Columbus's script. So then they go back and then that's

497
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,880
when they come up with Indiana Jones and the Monkey King. Okay,

498
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,640
So in my research for that, the only thing I

499
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,119
could really pull out of it other than this weird

500
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,079
thing of superhero monkeys is that there's like Indian Jones

501
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,319
has to play chess and every time he makes a

502
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,440
move that eliminates a character, like somebody evaporates, like a

503
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,200
person dies. Okay, So Spielberg's like, just not, I just

504
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,119
don't really like that, and so Lucas is like, well,

505
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,519
then we're back to the Holy Grail, right, And so

506
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,599
at that point, Spielberg's like, Okay, let's see if we

507
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,039
can make the Holy Grail thing work. But I want

508
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:02,160
to explore this idea of who could be Indiana Jones's father,

509
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,839
And so Lucas is like, yeah, but we're going for

510
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,319
the Grail, and spill Work's like, yeah, but the hunt

511
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,440
for the Grail is the search for the father. It's

512
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,799
a father and son's story.

513
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: You got to love how this is so beat by

514
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,920
beat Raiders of the Lost Ark, Right, Yeah, You've got

515
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Indy on a big quest, then you have Indy teaching

516
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,920
a class, then you have a new assignment, and Brody

517
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,359
is in Indy's house, trying to convince him to take

518
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960
the assignment right beat by beat for Raiders, Right, sure,

519
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,839
But then they're talking about the Grail and he says,

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,119
Indy says, do you believe? And then there's this nice,

521
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,920
pregnant pause, do you believe the Grail actually exists? And

522
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,480
Brody says, the search for the Cup of Christ is

523
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:50,039
the search for the divine in all of us. But

524
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,160
if you want fact, Cindy, I have none to give you.

525
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,960
At my age, I'm prepared to take a few things

526
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,000
on faith. I said to you, Okay, the mcguffin in

527
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:02,240
this thing is not actually the whole The mcguffin is

528
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:03,279
the diary.

529
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,559
Speaker 1: Right, Sure, we chase it around the whole movie.

530
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: We do. It goes from good guy to bad guy,

531
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,160
to good guy to bad guy and all over the place.

532
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: Right, But I should have mailed it to the Marx Brothers.

533
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: For the first half of the movie before the diary

534
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,720
is the mcguffin. The father is the mcguffin. It's him

535
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,920
that they're trying to find. It's him that's leading all

536
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720
of the action to where it's going, and it's they're

537
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,839
just using his diary to help find him again.

538
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,839
Speaker 1: Very similar to Raiders in the fact that they have

539
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,519
to find the headpiece to the staff of Raw, then

540
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,200
they got to find the map room, and then they

541
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,960
gotta find the arc.

542
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,839
Speaker 2: You know, so an X never ever marks the spot.

543
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,279
I love it, love it.

544
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: So, Spielberg says, I know this guy named Jeffrey Boham,

545
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,599
he worked with me on Innerspace. Let's give him a

546
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:48,319
shot at this thing.

547
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: Okay. So, like I said before, we haven't talked about

548
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Jeffrey Boham's history before, but I feel like I got

549
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,480
to give I mean, the guy did some incredible stuff,

550
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,440
including these two movies coming out in the same year.

551
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000
So he grew up in He grew up in New

552
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,920
Jersey and eventually moved out to California. Was inspired. He

553
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,079
can remember being inspired by the movie Tom Jones Albert

554
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:17,039
Fenny movie from sixty four, and he was so impressed

555
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,559
by it, Like he was like, this is nineteen sixty four.

556
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,640
You couldn't just go to scriptorama dot com. Right. He

557
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,000
actually sent away as a kid, sent away to have

558
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,079
the script given to him. Wow. And when he got it,

559
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,079
he was like, I couldn't believe it. How empty the

560
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,319
pages were. Like he was expecting to be just packed

561
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,000
full of words and it's all this empty space. So

562
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,039
that was a big lesson for him. But he was

563
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,440
an artist, like he was. He was a good artist,

564
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,640
and so he thought, well, I'll get into film and

565
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,640
I'll do stuff like set design and artistic design. But

566
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,119
then he started thinking about it and he's like, I

567
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,680
don't really want to be the guy in the background

568
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440
doing all this stuff. And he learned about the film

569
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,200
program at UCLA and he's like, I'll go in and

570
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240
I'll study directing, and that was what he wanted to do.

571
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:01,920
He's like, I'm going to be a director, and so

572
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,759
he goes graduate program at UCLA. He has a teacher

573
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,720
who's a mentor for him over there that he only

574
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:12,279
ends up with because he can't afford to produce his

575
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,920
own movie. Apparently, even in the in film school, you

576
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:20,559
have to fund your own student film project.

577
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Right, And so he's like, well, crap, I don't have

578
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:23,160
the money to do that.

579
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll take a script writing class and I'll just write

580
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,359
a script and see how that does. Right. Well, the

581
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,880
teacher tells him on his first few projects, you suck,

582
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200
and he's and his reaction is not like, well, I

583
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,920
picked the wrong field. His reaction is, well, I'm going

584
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,279
to keep doing this until I get good, and he

585
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,480
basically bugged the teacher into becoming a mentor for him. Well,

586
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,960
then he graduates and his teacher gives him a call

587
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,519
and he says, hey, I know a producer who is

588
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,920
looking for some scripts, and I think he might be

589
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400
interested in a couple that you've given me. Is it

590
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,359
okay if I give him your scripts? And he's like, well,

591
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,240
of course, heck yeah. The producer calls him and he says, well, well,

592
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,720
these aren't really what I want to do, but I

593
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,880
can tell that you've really got some talent. And he says,

594
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,400
my girlfriend just becoming an agent and she's looking for clients.

595
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,519
Would you want her to be your agent? And he's like, well,

596
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,440
heck yeah, I would love to have an agent. Sure,

597
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,720
And so she is his first agent and he is

598
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,400
her first client. Huh. But she's also I think they're

599
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680
ultimately married. She's married to this producer and so she

600
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,880
has some connections and he immediately starts getting work. So

601
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,160
he has never been a spec script guy. He's never

602
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,680
been the guy like Chris Columbus that's writing in his

603
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,160
rat invested basement apartment, sending scripts off hoping that somebody

604
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,559
will read them. It was he just started immediately getting

605
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,519
work working on other people's stuff. Good for him. Yeah,

606
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,440
So he's always been a working writer. So one of

607
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,240
his first big assignments that he got we talked about

608
00:30:55,279 --> 00:31:00,200
in her Halloween episodes last year is the Dead Zone. Right.

609
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,759
Remember we said Stephen King but had a bunch of

610
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,240
people trying to write a script for the sing including

611
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:06,000
Stephen King.

612
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,599
Speaker 1: That's right.

613
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: Like they were like, Steven, why don't you try it

614
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,920
because nobody else can do it, And they got Stephen

615
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,279
Kings and they're like, well this sucks too.

616
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

617
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he had he had worked with Stanley donnon.

618
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,599
You remember Stanley Donnan. He had, he had done like

619
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Singing in the Rain, like he was the original director

620
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,000
attached the Singing in the Rain director was the original

621
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,680
director attached to the Dead Zone. Wow, And so that's

622
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,759
who Jeffrey Broehm wrote the script for. Well, then director's change.

623
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,240
He goes on with his life and later when David

624
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,119
Cronenberg gets attached, he called Jeffrey Bohm back up and

625
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,000
he's like, hey, I like your script. That's right.

626
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Was he went like reverted back to him.

627
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: Yes, one of the original scripts. He goes back and

628
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,640
which is It's interesting because Cronenberg had written all of

629
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
the other stuff that he had directed, but this one

630
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,319
he liked Jeffrey Boum's stuff enough that he was like,

631
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,960
I'm keeping what you had. That was eighty three ish,

632
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,559
right yep. In eighty seven he gets inter Space and

633
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,119
the Lost Boys, right, which the Lost Boys another big

634
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,279
complete change. Remember the Lost Boys was supposed to be

635
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,279
like Cooney's and Peter Paan, right yep, And they completely

636
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,720
changed that to make it rock and roll and cool.

637
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,759
That was Joel Schumacher's idea. But he's like, Jeffrey Boehm

638
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,240
can take this this script and make it a completely

639
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,119
different script. And that's how we get the Lost Boys.

640
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,359
Speaker 1: You remember who was in charge of the Lost Boys.

641
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,079
That was a Richard Donner property.

642
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:26,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right.

643
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Richard Donner is over the Lethal Weapon movies.

644
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,279
Speaker 2: So there you go. So then you get a successive Interspace,

645
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,480
you get a success of the Lost Boys, and Richard

646
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,839
Donner has a Lethal Weapon two script that Shane Black

647
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,839
has written. We talked about that one in our Lethal

648
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,519
Weapon one episode about it being a much darker the

649
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,240
way sequels go with writers, a much darker take, and

650
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Riggs ends up dead at the end, and we even

651
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,720
we pull the script and the opening scene is an

652
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,680
action scene, but it's an action on an airplane. It's

653
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:03,240
not a car chase, so very little. I think Shane

654
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,839
Black still gets a story credit on this, but I

655
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,480
think it was a major overhaul by Jeffrey Ball, right,

656
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,920
So Shane Black, I mean his version, Like you said,

657
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,079
it's called play dirty.

658
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: That was the name of the script. So Leith Weapon,

659
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,759
play dirty, much darker. I told you there's an action

660
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,400
scene where an airplane carrying a bunch of cocaine over

661
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Los Angeles explodes and there's like a thin layer of

662
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,599
cocaine over the entire.

663
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: City in the nineteen eighties, that's right.

664
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: And then like you said, at the end of it,

665
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,559
Riggs sacrifices himself for Merta. He gets killed. If you

666
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,240
even go back to the original Lethal Weapons story, they

667
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:39,519
even filmed this scene.

668
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,759
Speaker 2: Riggs leaves, he gets the heck out.

669
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: Riggs is like, We're out of here. This that was

670
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
fun and good to see it.

671
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm out here, not going to be a cop anymore, right,

672
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,279
not a cop tonight, Roger.

673
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,039
Speaker 1: This is personal, that's right, and so thank goodness they

674
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,400
decided not to take that road, but so you go back.

675
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,960
They film that scene. They also filmed a scene for

676
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,319
Leath Weapon two where Riggs actually is killed and they

677
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:03,240
had had some alternatives, right right. They filmed a scene

678
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:08,159
where they're celebrating Thanksgiving dinner and Patsy Kinsey's character Rikavan

679
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,079
hagendas Brian hagandas yep.

680
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: No Vanden has it's Dutch.

681
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,559
Speaker 2: Is they're eating Thanksgiving, eating Thanksgiving to floating with her

682
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,679
lifeless eyes in the bottom of the lake.

683
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Huh, that's right? Which that man that from theater? Oh,

684
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,719
stunning and from heartbreaking.

685
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when he was doing when Jeffrey Bohm was

686
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,199
doing Leath a Weapon, he's what he said. He says,

687
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,920
you do a lot of changes on the Lethal Weapon

688
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,880
movies because Donner is very spontaneous and he always wants

689
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,119
something new the day he shoots the scene. So he

690
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,360
would call him up around seven in the morning and go,

691
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,559
we're about to shoot the scene. I have an idea.

692
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,440
What you think can you fax it to me? And

693
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,119
so it was like he was the guy who could

694
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,880
do stuff quick on the fly and was available to

695
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,199
do it.

696
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,679
Speaker 1: And so, by the way, something on the Shane Black script. Yeah,

697
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,639
Shane Black has said that that Leath the Weapon two

698
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,000
script is the best thing he's ever written.

699
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

700
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: He was so upset that they rejected it that he

701
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,599
offered to give the money back and they were like, no, dude,

702
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,199
you did the work. And then he's like, yeah, I

703
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,760
screw you, guys, I'm taking the money. But I mean

704
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920
just really hurt his feelings that they didn't like it

705
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,920
enough for him to do it right. When they eventually

706
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
offered it to Jeffrey Boham, he wrote two different versions

707
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,719
of it. One was more action, one was more comedy,

708
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,159
and Donner said, combine them and that's what we get

709
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,000
at least the web and two it's super funny.

710
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's loaded with action. It's it's great. And

711
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,599
that's and going back to Indiana Jones, that third movie

712
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,960
becomes more light hearted. They had gone dark with Temple

713
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,440
of Doom, and it becomes more lighthearted, more fun, more comedy,

714
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,519
more action. And I said this, I sent this to you.

715
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,519
I was like, okay, I've just blown my own mind.

716
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,039
I said, are are you ready for this? Movie? One?

717
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,920
An action adventure quest introducing the hero. Movie two, darker,

718
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,440
more ominous hero discovers the darkness within himself. Movie three

719
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,320
much more light hearted Ensure, where the hero is reconciled

720
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,480
with his estranged father. Did I just describe the Indiana

721
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,119
Jones trilogy or Star Wars?

722
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: You nailed it. I mean there's a formula.

723
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: It's the same deal, right, It's the same.

724
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: By the way, our man, Robert Mark Cayman, actually also

725
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,960
worked on Lethal Weapon two. Remember him from the Karate

726
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,880
Kid episode? Yes, did some work on leth a Weapon two.

727
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: Trying to think what he would have done.

728
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, rights, yeah, okay, dialogue maybe.

729
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:32,119
Speaker 2: So after after he's done with Lethal Weapon two, he

730
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,159
gets a call from Steven Spielberg and he says, hey, oh,

731
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,440
we're going to do a movie. Actually, actually what he

732
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,199
says is he says something like, you want to get

733
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:41,840
real rich?

734
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: You want to get really rich?

735
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,559
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, why, yes, please? Then Spielberg says,

736
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,280
I think you should do the next Indiana Jones movie.

737
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,760
It's something to do with the Holy Grail. He said

738
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000
he had to talk to George because George didn't know

739
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,320
who Jeffrey Bohm was, right, And so a long time

740
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,639
goes by and he just kind of forgot about it.

741
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:07,079
And then Spielberg calls him again after something for some

742
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,639
other reason, and he goes by the way, anything going

743
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,559
to go on for that Indiana Jones idea, and he said,

744
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,840
I think George is going to call you soon. Got

745
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,000
a call from George. He wanted to meet at Amblin.

746
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,760
They went over there, they got a long next step

747
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,800
was spending about two weeks with George working on the story.

748
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,159
George already had the ideas for the Vienna scenes and

749
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,400
the boats and the propellers and all of that stuff.

750
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,320
And I'm going to throw back to our Phantom Menace episode.

751
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,280
We've talked several things now about where George is like, Hey,

752
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,440
I want to do this, and somebody was like, I

753
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,480
don't think that's a good idea, right, terrible idea, George. Yeah,

754
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,280
And that is why when you had the Phantom Menace,

755
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:54,360
where George is writer, director, and producer and financier, there's

756
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,519
nobody there to go George, I don't think that's a

757
00:37:56,519 --> 00:38:00,800
good idea. All right, you're fined. Yeah. Yeah, So fortunately

758
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,360
in this situation, people were still able to tell George, eh,

759
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,360
maybe not the Monkey King.

760
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about that's a great, great point.

761
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,599
When George is strictly in charge, you run into problems,

762
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,559
but you've got Lawrence Casten to push back, or you've

763
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,079
got Marcia Lucas to push back. You know, he needs

764
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:19,199
somebody to keep him in check.

765
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,599
Speaker 2: Filmmaking is a collaborative process. You cannot have a dictator

766
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,800
in the mix.

767
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: I've got something interesting for you on Spielberg during this time. Okay,

768
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
So Spielberg, you think about it. He had kind of

769
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,880
gone dark a little bit after Et, you know. So

770
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,960
he does Poldergeist, he does Empire the Sun's He's wandering

771
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,880
in the wilderness just a little bit. So Spielberg said

772
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,880
that nineteen eighty eight was one of the worst years

773
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,920
in cinematic history.

774
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, And he said, I'm watching.

775
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,519
Speaker 1: These movies that were not what they could have been,

776
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,440
and a lot of them were done by my friends.

777
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: Ouch. Yeah, because he's.

778
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Involved in Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade, he turns down.

779
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,639
Speaker 2: Big and rain Man. Yeah, and I'm wondering if.

780
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,679
Speaker 1: That's a little bit accusatory of those two movies.

781
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, because we talked. We talked

782
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,840
about Big and his reasons for not being involved with

783
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,039
that because his sister's involved with that, right, Yeah, she

784
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,960
wrote the script, she did, right, Yeah. And Penny Marshall,

785
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,519
I mean, obviously she took that one and sailed with it.

786
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:27,039
But I see other reasons on Big and then rain Man.

787
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:28,639
I don't know how you're not going to say that's

788
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,639
a great script, but it's it's not big and flashy

789
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,239
like all of Spielberg's other stuff is either.

790
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,679
Speaker 1: So he did make a comment about rain Man how

791
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,639
he thought he could have pulled more emotion out of it.

792
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,159
Speaker 2: Huh.

793
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that's the one he's got pegged.

794
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: I wonder. Okay, all right, so there we go. We've

795
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,800
we've got the history, we've got the stories behind the scripts.

796
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,239
Let's talk about casting.

797
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,599
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's fly back to leath a weapon too.

798
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm surprised you haven't heard about me. You know,

799
00:39:57,679 --> 00:39:59,760
I got a bad reputation, and sometimes I just go

800
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,519
on nuts, like.

801
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,119
Speaker 1: Now, okay, so number one, you've got mel Gibson movie

802
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:09,360
star extraordinari at this time, Yeah, we had just seen

803
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,440
him in Lethal Weapon one in nineteen eighty seven. You

804
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,840
and I both agreed. Man, this guy's awesome. He got

805
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,199
his start in Australia and became a star in the

806
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,119
mad Max movies.

807
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 2: Yep.

808
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: Riggs is when he starts to take hold of the

809
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,519
American audience.

810
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay.

811
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: So he's thirty three at the time of filming Lethal

812
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,559
Weapon two.

813
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: Okay, He's on the.

814
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Cover of People magazine. He's the heart throb of America,

815
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,440
sexiest man in America. It was all about that butt

816
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,840
scene in Legal Lethal Weapon too, right. It didn't hurt,

817
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,199
that's for sure. But this is way before any of

818
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,760
his crazy antics that happened later on in his life.

819
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as you pointed out, every girl wanted

820
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,440
to be with him and every guy wanted to be him.

821
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, you know, we talked about how in

822
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,719
Lethal Weapon he was drinking two pints of beer every

823
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,159
morning for breakfast and still showing up on time. You

824
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,880
got a hydrate and then you got Danny Glover back.

825
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,639
Speaker 4: I'm black.

826
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,119
Speaker 3: That's why I want to go to South Africa to

827
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,280
join up with my oppressed brothers, to take up the

828
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,920
struggle against the tyranny of the racist, fascist, white minority regime,

829
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,719
fascist white regime. One man, one vote, one man, one vote,

830
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Free South Africa. You're dumb son of a bitch.

831
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Your dumb son of a bitch. I've just about as

832
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,920
much as I want. Yeah, we talked about how he

833
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,239
was hired from his role in The Color Purple Right,

834
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,599
which is a Spielberg movie.

835
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:26,599
Speaker 2: Yep, got a little bit of.

836
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: A connection there. These guys have such great chemistry on screen.

837
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:33,079
Speaker 2: I think they're really great friends too. Even off screen,

838
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,840
I think that they they just got along very well.

839
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate this, but as far as

840
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,519
on screen chemistry, these two characters work incredibly well together.

841
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

842
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,039
Speaker 1: You believe that Riggs has been adopted by this family.

843
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 2: The thing is is that what you have from lethal

844
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,920
weapon one to lethal weapon two is a completely different dynamic, right,

845
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,800
because lethal weapon one, they're at odds, like Martas just

846
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,280
trying to get through is last year being a police.

847
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,360
He just wants to retire. He's just too old for this,

848
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,039
you know, years old, and he wants to be done

849
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:13,079
and cool and quiet. And he gets partnered up with

850
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,280
this rogue cop who is suicidal and doesn't seem to

851
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,039
have any concern for his own life for the lives

852
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:25,519
of people around him. Right, So it's the perfect oppositional story.

853
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,840
But what you have by the end of the movie

854
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,719
is the crazy cop has become saying and is no

855
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,599
longer suicidal, and the enemies have become friends. So what

856
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,719
do you do for part two? Right? Because are they

857
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,440
going to fight about something again? Because what the point

858
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,880
that you made was these guys work together so well. Well,

859
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,320
they work together as guys who are fighting with each other,

860
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,599
and if you look at Lethal Weapon two, they work

861
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,960
together as best friends because that's what they are in

862
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,719
Lethal Weapon. Do they don't give us these guys fighting again.

863
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,519
They're a different relationship where their best buds looking out

864
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,719
for each other, have each other back, you know, finishing

865
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,519
each other's sandwiches. You know, it's it's that that relationship

866
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,840
that these two actors must have. Really, it's them worked

867
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,000
well together regardless of what the character's relationships are.

868
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely one hundred percent. You know, I heard Mel Gibson

869
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,840
talking about how they as actors, they creatively came up

870
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,719
with the idea they would spoon the spaghetti out of

871
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,079
the same dish without getting plates, because that's who they

872
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,239
are right.

873
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: And Joe Peshi is just like, what what you know?

874
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,159
I don't don't have any plates.

875
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Now listen, you drop in Joe Peshi. We need to

876
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,000
have a conversation about who adds more to the franchise.

877
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,679
Is it Sean Conry is doctor Henry John Senior? Or

878
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,280
is it Joe Peshi? As Leo gets because they both,

879
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,440
I think when you drop them in, it levels up.

880
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, okay, okay, bed cop bed cock.

881
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:48,559
Speaker 3: I got it.

882
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: I know all those.

883
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: Routine Leo gets. Yes, sir, you said, it's me.

884
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,519
Speaker 1: Leo gets whatever you need. Leo gets, you get it.

885
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,760
I use that all the time to break the ice

886
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,400
when I meet people.

887
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's good.

888
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,519
Speaker 1: So Riggs and MYRTA are standing side by side, and

889
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,280
now they're new they're joint pain in.

890
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,039
Speaker 2: The butt is Leo gets Yeah?

891
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 1: But I think he's like us, like we get to

892
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,599
ride along in the cop car with Riggs and MYRTA.

893
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,639
He is the audience representation. Oh my gosh, what kind

894
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,000
of gun do you have? Because it's awesome you get

895
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,960
to shoot people right right? Can I turn on the siriren?

896
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: You know one of the texts I sent during the

897
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,960
movie was like Riggs worst witness protection cop ever. Like

898
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,039
what you immediately take him on an assignment where there's

899
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,559
gun play and as it turns out, gun play with

900
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,880
the people he's supposed to be protected from.

901
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,119
Speaker 1: And he gets him kidnapped and beaten up.

902
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: Little little convenient, little plot point there.

903
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,679
Speaker 1: I told you stop being a killjoy, but listen to this.

904
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,000
So I have found this really fascinating. So Joe Peshi

905
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,559
is the third guy. Leo gets whatever.

906
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: You want Leo gets.

907
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,679
Speaker 1: He had been in Raging Bowl with de Niro. He

908
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:03,199
had a really good, strong start to his career. He

909
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,920
does Easy Money with Rodney Dangerfield in eighty.

910
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Three Needle Scratch. That movie is terrible.

911
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he kind of goes through a dry

912
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,519
spell where he does not a lot of anything. He

913
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,880
does Lethal Weapon two, which gives him rocket fuel. But

914
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,159
then listen to what he does over the next six years. Okay,

915
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,760
Betsy's wedding, good Fellas, Home Alone, JFK, my cousin, Vinnie Leith,

916
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,519
A Weapon three, Casino.

917
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what Betsy's wedding is, but the rest

918
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,599
of those are definitely all major, major movies, right.

919
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's so funny and you believe him as

920
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,079
the Pip squeak, but he's having the time of his life.

921
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

922
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: I love it when he says they're talking to the

923
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,400
captain's chewing him out or whatever, and he's like, yes, sir,

924
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,000
you know they're like, He's like, these guys are good cops.

925
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:52,320
They usually make me stay in the car.

926
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: He's like, usually usually doesn't matter if he's dirty, rigs.

927
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,559
Speaker 3: He's a diplomat, he's got immunity, he's beyond the law.

928
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,119
Speaker 1: We can't touch him, arrest him, prosecute him.

929
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: Is that clear?

930
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,639
Speaker 2: Does that spell it out for you? Yes, sir? Okay,

931
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,840
the hell is this guy?

932
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:12,079
Speaker 1: Leo gets nice to meet you, sir? Gets jeez, you

933
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,599
took a civilian on a bust, a civilian.

934
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,599
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be protectedly alive.

935
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay. I signed to wait.

936
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,199
Speaker 5: Besides, I usually wait.

937
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: In the car usually usually that's right. Hey, they're very

938
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,760
adamant about that.

939
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: So obviously we've seen him in some pretty scary characters, right, Like,

940
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,400
I mean.

941
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: They're just horrifying and good Fellas and Casino both.

942
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: For sure, right, But he's so lovable in this, like

943
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,280
he's a lovable teddy bear in this like ewok yeah,

944
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,599
So I saw him talking about how he came up

945
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,039
with the character and he's like, okay, so we're gonna

946
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,079
dress him like Joel Silver. Yes, Joel Silver is the

947
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,920
producer of Lethal Weapon and of Diehard. I mean he

948
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,880
and Predator and a bajillion other things in the eighties,

949
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,960
right right right, But he's a very flamboyant guy. By

950
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
the way, side note, go check out our who for

951
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,280
Roger Rabbit episode with the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast

952
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,320
with Dayton Johnson because we talk about how that's an

953
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,920
acting moment for Joel Silver. He's the director of the

954
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,760
opening cartoon. God yeah, Roger, Yeah, that's it. That's droll Silver. Anyway,

955
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,639
they take his clothes because he's got this big, flamboyant

956
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,840
style of dressing. And then he says he takes the

957
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,880
he takes his inspiration from the people who work at Disneyland,

958
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,159
and he's like, you'll go you'll go into Disneyland and

959
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,920
be like, excuse me, can you tell me where the

960
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,960
Magic Kingdom is? And they'll be like okay, okay, okay,

961
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,920
so the Magic Kingdom, I wait, yes, okay, so okay,

962
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,480
the Magic Kingdom is this way, and they're always just

963
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:44,440
bubbly and full of smiles. And so that was how

964
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,800
he creates the character of Leo Getz. I love it, man,

965
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,199
that's great. I love it. It is great. Okay.

966
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: So let's talk briefly about Joss Auckland. He plays Argent Rudd. Okay,

967
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,199
he's the bad guy.

968
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: The bad guy, diplomatic immunity.

969
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: That guy had a community, my dear officer who could

970
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,840
not even give me a bucking ticket. He plays the

971
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,840
bad guy the next year in the Hunt for October.

972
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:11,079
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.

973
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,679
Speaker 1: He's the bad guy in Bill and Ted's bogus journey

974
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,760
that we covered in season one, I believe. Okay, but

975
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,960
he had had some roles. He had been in the

976
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Three Musketeers movies, and I mean he was a you know,

977
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,400
stage actor. This guy's a big British.

978
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: British guy, rischh guy. Yeah. None of these guys were

979
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,480
actually South.

980
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:36,039
Speaker 1: African South African. No, No, they were British. Okay. Now

981
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,519
I want to talk about the lovely Patsy Kinsett. You know,

982
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:43,440
she's got a interesting surely you can't be serious connection

983
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,400
that I want to drop on you.

984
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,639
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we're talking. We're talking about Missus hogandhass.

985
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Rika venden Huss Yes, yeah, which I'm curious. She was

986
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,400
twenty one when she did Luth the Weapon two. Alison

987
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,480
Duty was twenty one when she did Indiana Jones in

988
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,199
the Last Crusade.

989
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 2: She was twenty one and she auditioned for it. I

990
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:02,880
think she's about twenty three when they actually shut them.

991
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, your early twenties. Yeah, who you taking in nineteen

992
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,559
eighty nine.

993
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,679
Speaker 2: I don't care. Blindfold me and send me in with

994
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,679
something to pin the tail on, and I'm good to go.

995
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: No.

996
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: They're both phenomenally beautiful.

997
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: Matris incredibly beautiful women. Okay, all right, So here's the

998
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,719
interesting thing about patsy Kins. There's an interesting connection to.

999
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Interest in case pat patsy Kins that is listening to

1000
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,800
this episode and you're like, oh, you had a chance,

1001
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,920
but then you said that forget it, Patsy, I'll smoke here.

1002
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: Okay. She plays a young girl in the movie Hanover Street,

1003
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
which I've never seen. I've always wanted to see. Okay,

1004
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,039
I'm not sure how she's related to the main character.

1005
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,559
I think maybe a step daughter or something.

1006
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:46,119
Speaker 2: Like that. Okay.

1007
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: The starring role in that one goes to mister Harrison

1008
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,760
Ford Hanover Street. Interesting, and she's a little girl in that.

1009
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: So this is missus Hogendas. Okay, because the reason that

1010
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,119
River Phoenix got picked to be the young Indie was

1011
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:06,760
because he had been in a movie Mosquito Coast with

1012
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Harrison Ford. Harrison was the one that suggested him, and

1013
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,760
he fantastic he was. He had watched Harrison and his

1014
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,639
behaviors and knew how to do it good Harrison impression

1015
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:16,400
when he wasn't looking.

1016
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,599
Speaker 1: Let's say that for the Indiana Jones cast. Okay, all right,

1017
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,199
all right, but here's the interesting surely you can't be

1018
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,679
serious podcast connection to Patsy Kinset Okay. Her first husband's

1019
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,800
name is Dan Donovan. Okay. He was in the band

1020
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,440
Big Audio Dynamite. Okay, famous song called the Globe from

1021
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,239
nineteen ninety one.

1022
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,519
Speaker 2: You would know it here. It is right here.

1023
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh bless you, bless you well, go away beauty.

1024
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

1025
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,039
Speaker 1: Okay, that's her first husband.

1026
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: Okay.

1027
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: So apparently she's really easy to marry to have to

1028
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,800
stay married too, because she's been divorced four times. But

1029
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,039
her second husband is Jim Kerr. Does that name Ring

1030
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:58,920
a Bell to you like Kerr McGee Kerr? Yeah, Jim Kerr.

1031
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: Okay, is he related to Kermagee? Nope, okay, no, I

1032
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,800
got I got nothing with Jim Kerr.

1033
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: Jim Kerr sings this song.

1034
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: Jim Kerr from Simple Minds.

1035
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: Yes, you're exactly right.

1036
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,039
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, good job Jim Kerr.

1037
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:24,679
Speaker 1: Now get this.

1038
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1039
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: Her third husband sings this song.

1040
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 5: And all the Roads we have to walk co winding.

1041
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,519
Speaker 6: And all the lights and that a blinding Oasis loves

1042
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Jim Gallagher Gallagher, Yeah, what so she's.

1043
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,559
Speaker 1: Into the musicians well, and she's a musician herself. She

1044
00:51:49,679 --> 00:52:10,800
actually sings this song the Ring a Bell for You.

1045
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 2: No, it is not.

1046
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,079
Speaker 1: What is that that's called I'm Not Scared?

1047
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: Oh? From Eighth Wonder.

1048
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're exactly right, see that I had that album.

1049
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,519
Speaker 2: She looks beautiful in that viga she does I don't

1050
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:25,679
know why you're giving up on her post eighty nine.

1051
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,320
I have a guitar. I haven't given up on you. Like,

1052
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:30,800
there you go, Okay.

1053
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: Then rounding out the cast, you've got Darlene Love, who

1054
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,119
played Trish from the first one. She's in all four.

1055
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,000
She's fantastic. Okay, you've got Tracy Wolf who plays Rhianne,

1056
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,559
which in the theater when she does that condums commercial.

1057
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,239
The theater that I watched it in was belly laughing.

1058
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:52,400
It's such a funny moment in the movie because rig

1059
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,079
sets it up. Hey, everybody, guess what tonight, the lovely

1060
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,679
rhei Enn Mertad Channel eight or whatever at eight o'clock

1061
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,639
is gonna make your you and a commercial. And of

1062
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,920
course the entire praseinct watches her do a condom commercial,

1063
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:08,159
and Roger is mortified, that's wrong.

1064
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,119
Speaker 2: I love that commercial. She makes me one of my rubbers.

1065
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,679
Speaker 1: Will you look at the body on this girl. I'm

1066
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,199
gonna pretend I didn't hear you say that.

1067
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 5: Now.

1068
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,199
Speaker 1: I got a couple of names I want to drop

1069
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,480
on you real quick. Mark Ralston plays Hans and Jeanette

1070
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,920
Goldstein plays Shapiro.

1071
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, two, we're.

1072
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,119
Speaker 1: In a movie together.

1073
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,079
Speaker 2: I know it. Yeah, what is it? It is? Aliens?

1074
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you Haveasquez, Basquez and Drake one of my favorite

1075
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,639
lines because they're kind of buddy buddy in that movie too. Yeah,

1076
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:37,800
they got a little something happening.

1077
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, but they they share no screen

1078
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,239
time together in this movie. He is the guy they're

1079
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,880
chasing at the beginning. If you don't know who I'm

1080
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,920
talking about, he's the he is in Shoshank Redemption, he's the.

1081
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: He's one of the sisters.

1082
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the sister, Like he's the guy. What's guy?

1083
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:58,239
The guy's name Boggs. Boggs. He's Bogs and shoshannk Redemption.

1084
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,039
So that I mean, you don't know by that. Listen,

1085
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:02,840
you need to get together and watch them. Surely you

1086
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,239
can't be serious podcast movies, guys, okay, because you're missing

1087
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,519
out anyway. He is like buddy buddy with her in Aliens.

1088
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,519
They're both a part of the crew along with Bill Paxton,

1089
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,480
who were there to kill some bugs. And I mean, god,

1090
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,119
Janette Goldstein could not look any more different.

1091
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: She looks totally different, and you never really got a

1092
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,440
good look at her. I mean, she doesn't really do.

1093
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: Much except when she's peeking around the corner trying to

1094
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,760
catch a glimpse of Murtaz. He sits on a toilet.

1095
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:32,239
Get out of here.

1096
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: So that rounds out the cast pretty much for Leith

1097
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,400
a weapon too. Other than the people that you have

1098
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:38,719
from the first movie.

1099
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, you got Richard Donner's cousin who's in all of

1100
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,719
his movies, including Scrooge as the police chief who was

1101
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,519
also a policeman in Superman one.

1102
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: Right, remember that's done by Richard Donner.

1103
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, we talked before about how John Lovetz was

1104
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,519
not the first choice for Leo Getz. Yeah, you had

1105
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:00,760
some name for me on this.

1106
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,599
Speaker 1: I do I know that one of them is John Lovetz.

1107
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,800
John Levitz was talked about. So Joe Pantaliano was the

1108
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,360
other guy they were looking at.

1109
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so Joe Pantaliano, Yes, is the guy who's in Goonies.

1110
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,800
He's one of the two brothers, not the one who

1111
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,039
sings op Agent Johnson with the two pay Yeah, that guy, right, Francis.

1112
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,440
And he's the he's the main bad guy, not the

1113
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,800
main bad guy, like he's not Agent Johnson, but he's

1114
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,320
the main like spy conspirator bad guy in the Matrix.

1115
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,360
I told this to you earlier and you're like, yeah,

1116
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880
if you say so, And I'm like, what what do

1117
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,280
you mean if you say so? I just mentioned two

1118
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,760
gigantic movies there, and you're like, well, I like the Goonies.

1119
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,599
I'm like you didn't like the Matrix.

1120
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: It's one of my Yeah, it's one of my cinematic sins.

1121
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,280
I'm not a big fan of the Matrix.

1122
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to revisit that one. Brother, I don't

1123
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:51,800
I don't understand.

1124
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:53,119
Speaker 1: I've only seen it once.

1125
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

1126
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I may have had a bad day. I'm not sure.

1127
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,159
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. All right, yeah, we definitely need to

1128
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,000
need to go rev Is it that one? Cool? Okay, Okay, guys,

1129
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,400
that'll have to do it for part one. Please come

1130
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,199
back and join us for part two of Indiana Jones

1131
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,199
and the Last Crusade versus Lethal Weapon two. And here

1132
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,800
is a little song that I wrote just for you, guys.

1133
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,800
I hope you enjoy it.

1134
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:46,639
Speaker 4: We're back, We're bad, You're back, salthak eighty man to me.

1135
00:56:50,599 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 5: The sually at the drive roof diplomatic immunity. I'm not

1136
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:13,840
a cop, tonight, Roge, this is personal. This was a

1137
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:21,920
new Carris Well, it's stealing? Is it? Steal? Is south

1138
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Side and eighties? Man to me, I'm Leo, guess and

1139
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:40,000
whatever you want Leo kids, I'm getting to oh for

1140
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:50,440
this shore. Why do you do this to yourself? Well?

1141
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:54,719
Who else am I supposed to do it too. Any

1142
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,840
meeting night, hay more South king a hand to me,

1143
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:09,239
diplomatic cutity, guys, a cute don't die all the toilet.

1144
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,679
I'm getting too old for this. Surely South is surely

1145
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,400
bad to me. South like the surely bad South, Like

1146
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:31,079
the surely band that's.

1147
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:44,639
Speaker 2: So awesome, the Rama Yama. Okay,