1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today, 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,039 the Hulu documentary about Victoria's Secret Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,560 and the rest of it drops on Hulu And as 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,920 soon as I'm done here in the studio, I'm gonna 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,440 go and check it out, give it a look and 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,160 see what's what. But until then, we have another article 7 00:00:22,519 --> 00:00:26,440 from the New York Post talking about this documentary, So 8 00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:30,440 let's dive in. The author of this article is Asia 9 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:35,960 Grace and this article was published by the New York Post. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,359 It was a match made in heaven or maybe in hell, 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,960 the sexual deviant and the lingerie demigod. For decades, disgraced 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,280 financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was one of the closest friends 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 of Victoria's secret billionaire Les Wexner, who is eighty four. 14 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:57,159 In fact, the late Khn, who in August twenty nineteen 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,600 at sixty six, committed suicide in the cell of a 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,760 Manhattan Federal detention center allegedly while awaiting trial in his 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,560 sex trafficking case, once joked that he and the retail 18 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:11,719 baron share a brain. It should be noted that Wexner 19 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,879 has claimed complete ignorance of Epstein's sexual misdeeds. Of course 20 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:20,319 he has, and I've said it a million times. I 21 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:23,599 think the whole Epstein stole a bunch of money from 22 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,239 me was something that him and Epstein had planned a 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,640 long time ago as a cover in case Epstein ever 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,680 got popped. They came up with this whole entire plot. Look, 25 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,239 if you get nailed, we'll say that you stole money 26 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,680 from me, and that'll give me the distance that I 27 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:41,000 need to make sure I don't get caught up in this. 28 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:44,640 Because they knew nobody was ever gonna charge them with RICO, right, 29 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:47,599 they knew that they were gonna be able to find 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,719 a way to slide, meaning all of these money men 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,280 around Epstein, and if Epstein ever got nailed, well, they'd 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,439 be able to cover their attracts and use this as 33 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:02,280 a bit of a shield. And while I can't prove that, 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,280 that is certainly my theory and what I've been speculating 35 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,960 for quite some time now that whole entire thing about 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,280 the money that was stolen allegedly by Epstein from Wexner 37 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:18,960 was nothing more than a cover up to mask the 38 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:24,400 relationship that these guys really had. But in the forthcoming 39 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:29,319 Hulu docu series Victoria's Secrets, Angels and Demons, out Thursday Today. 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,960 Associates of the unlikely duo Wexner, a self made magnate 41 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:38,199 from the Midwest, and Epstein, a college dropout who smooth 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,159 talked his way into roles in New York's financial District, 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,360 say the two were bound by more than ambition. That 44 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,759 is certainly the truth. These guys were connected in many, 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,080 many different ways, and there are even some that say 46 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:00,199 they were romantically inclined. Now, I can't speak on that 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,800 one way or another. I don't know, so I can't 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,240 say if it's true or if it's not. But some 49 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,800 pretty strong evidence has been provided that at the very 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,759 least less Wexner was infatuated with Epstein. So who knows 51 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,960 what the real behind the door, you know, behind the 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,159 doors type of relationship these guys had. But there is 53 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,199 no doubt that Les Wexner was a key component to 54 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,360 everything Epstein had going on. So the fact that Wexner 55 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,120 has not been met with more scrutiny and more of 56 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:39,599 a full blitzkrieg by the legacy media is just unbelievable. 57 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,879 They each needed each other to survive Wexner had the 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,199 money that Epstein was seeking, and Wexner got from Epstein 59 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,240 the glamour and smoothness that he was seeking, said Cindy 60 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Fetus Fields, the former CEO of Victoria's Secret, direct in 61 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:01,639 the three part Saga, directed and produced by Matt Tiernauer 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,080 of The Reagans and Studio fifty four fame. So I've 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,439 never seen The Reagans and I've seen Studio fifty four. 64 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:14,240 Decent movie, not bad at all. Nothing I could say, oh, well, eh, 65 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:16,800 this guy's a terrible director, or he doesn't know what 66 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,800 he's doing. Nothing like that. Pretty good movie. So I'm 67 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,199 guessing that this documentary is going to be pretty decent 68 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,399 as well. Now let's not get too ahead of ourselves, however, 69 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,199 and think it's going to be groundbreaking for those of 70 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,839 us who have been following this case, it's gonna be 71 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:39,160 more of the same, right, more of a refresher course, 72 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,199 if you will, as opposed to some people who this 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,279 will be their first exposure to even knowing that Les 74 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:49,199 Wexner was involved with Epstein, And a lot of that 75 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:54,360 again falls to the legacy media and their terrible job 76 00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:00,680 throughout this whole entire ordeal. Their relationship with a seemingly 77 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,360 lopsided quid pro quo. However, well, I don't believe that, 78 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:07,759 To be honest with you, I believe that what Epstein 79 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,759 was getting from Wexner was not only that money, but 80 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,920 the financial credibility that comes along with handling the money 81 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,399 of somebody like less Wexner. We can't discount that and 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,079 act like it's not a big deal. It was. It 83 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,199 fortified Epstein's reputation with other billionaires. Right, They're saying to themselves, well, 84 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,279 if Wexner is letting Epstein control his money, then maybe 85 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:38,120 we should get in on this too. While the clothing 86 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:41,480 tycoon credited in the dock as the inventor of fast 87 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,319 fashion a masked a net worth of more than five 88 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:49,680 billion via his thong of trendy apparel shops, Epstein, who 89 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,720 Wexner anointed as his money manager, had a lot less 90 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,600 to offer on paper, And again, what would draw Wexner 91 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,639 to Epstein? What was Epstein offer that Wexner wanted? Well, 92 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,839 we all know what Epstein was involved in. We all 93 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,319 know that he was offering young girls. We all know 94 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,000 what Epstein had at his island, So what would Wexner 95 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,560 want from a guy like Jeffrey Epstein. I'll leave that 96 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,920 up to you to figure out. But to Wexner, what 97 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:25,399 the crook lacked in assets he made up for in 98 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:29,439 Big Apple Flavor. When less Wexter met Jeffrey Epstein, he 99 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,560 apparently remarked that Epstein was so exciting, explains Barry Levine, 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,399 author of the Epstein Expose the Spider. In the film, 101 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,800 he was everything that less Wexner thought was lacking in Ohio. Well, 102 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,120 I could see that you got a guy like Les 103 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,519 Wexner has all the money in the world, but it's 104 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,720 a big goofy goofball. Yeah, he's gonna need somebody to 105 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:55,879 show him the ropes if you will. And if Epstein 106 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,240 is your mentor, well, what does that say about you 107 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,600 and the behavior you were engaging in Let's remember what 108 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:06,120 Maria Farmer said about the Wexners. Let's remember what Virginia 109 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:13,000 said about Les Wexner himself. In the early nineteen eighties, 110 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,800 Wexner's empire expanded from Just the Limited, which he launched 111 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,160 from his hometown of Columbus, Ohio, in nineteen sixty three, 112 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,240 to include Victoria's Secret. Wexner purchased the Lingerie brand from 113 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:29,000 the founders Roy and Gay Raymond for one million dollars, 114 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:32,639 and the shrewd suburbanite wanted to make a splash in 115 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,120 the big city, so in nineteen eighty five he purchased 116 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:40,160 Lux Fifth Avenue and Porium Henry Bendy for just under 117 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:44,199 ten million in an attempt to impress Gotham's swanky upper crust. 118 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,600 So with Wexner, it was always about fitting in. Right, 119 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,319 he wasn't from New York. He was from Columbus, certainly 120 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:54,360 not the jet setting place that Manhattan is, and it 121 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:58,680 certainly doesn't have the so called elite class that Manhattan has, 122 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,959 and that's what Wexner was wanted. Well, Epstein opened that 123 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,240 door for him, and in return, Wexner opened the door 124 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:12,399 to the vault. So how in the world can the NYPD, 125 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:16,680 the SDNY, the FBI, all these other organizations, these law 126 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,560 enforcement organizations not bring rico charges against these people. It's 127 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,720 rather obvious that if anyone was engaging in this behavior 128 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:30,720 with Epstein, as far as financially or otherwise, it was Wexner. 129 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:38,960 But yet no serious investigations, nobody camping out waiting to 130 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,519 ambush interview him. So what's the legacy media up to 131 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 are they given Wexner a pass the same way they're 132 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,799 giving Bill richardson one. He wanted that New York flavor 133 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,080 and that was a way to buy into it, says 134 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:55,200 Terry Egans, author of the End of Fashion. In the series, 135 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,320 he invited Jackie o NASA's to the christening of the 136 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,320 store because he wanted that respect with New York society 137 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,519 and high fashion New York. And what better way to 138 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,759 do it, right when you have all of these other 139 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:13,600 high society folks buzzing around you and giving you that credibility, Well, 140 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,399 that helps you kick in the door. And that was 141 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,159 always what Les Wexner wanted. He wanted that credibility with 142 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,720 the other New York elite. He wanted to be part 143 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:25,840 of the club, and Epstein gave him that access Didney. 144 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,759 The wannabe city slicker even purchased the most sprawling townhouse 145 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:33,879 on the Upper East Side for a then unprecedented thirteen 146 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:38,279 point two million in hopes of being embraced by the elite. However, 147 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:42,399 despite his efforts, the Cream Dela Creme regarded Wexner as 148 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,399 nothing more than a mere pimple on New York's backside. 149 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Says Michael Gross, author of Model in the film Look. 150 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:52,360 Of course he was an interloper, right, an outsider. If 151 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:55,960 you're not old money, generational wealth in New York City, 152 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,679 you're not part of the crew. Nobody wants you around. 153 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,960 And less of course, you find a way to finagle 154 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:04,480 your way in the way Epstein did. And then if 155 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:06,600 you do that, well you have to have something to 156 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:11,440 offer these scumbags, right and Epstein, well, we all know 157 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:18,080 what he was bringing to the table. In Epstein, Wexner 158 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,919 found the suave business and streetwise ally he'd been longing 159 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,480 for and for his urbanity. The mogul gave him carte 160 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:29,600 blanche to his business and billions. Well, I wouldn't go 161 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,720 so far as calling Epstein street smart. Probably wouldn't survive 162 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 too long here on the east side of Las Vegas, 163 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,519 probably wouldn't survive too long in the South Bronx, probably 164 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,000 wouldn't survive too long in Compton, and probably wouldn't survive 165 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,720 too long on the south side of Chicago. So I 166 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,399 don't know how street smart Jeffrey Epstein was, but he 167 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,240 certainly was a criminal and he had a good mind 168 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,960 for numbers. Epstein was extraordinarily mess and convince and could 169 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,080 convince anything, anyone of anything, says the Swindler's former business 170 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,399 partner Steven Jay Hoffenberg in the film. He was the 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,919 master manipulator. Almost immediately after meeting Wexner granted Epstein full 172 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,120 power of attorney over his sizable fortune. Shortly thereafter, Epstein 173 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:24,440 became a notorious elbow rubber to the aristocratic likes of 174 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,759 Prince Andrew, former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and 175 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,360 tech whiz Bill Gates. And of course he was close 176 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:34,879 with all of them. You know, people on the left, 177 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:37,240 they don't want to talk about all of the ties 178 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,360 Epstein had to the left. They just don't want to 179 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,080 hear it. And the same goes for the right. You 180 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,000 talk to people who are playing tribalism and they just 181 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,080 want to retreat to their bunker and hear what the 182 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,200 echo chamber has to say. And it's all fun in games, 183 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:55,519 right when you're talking about, oh, I'm not biased in 184 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,200 this case, I'm not chasing, you know, one side or 185 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,159 the other until it time to follow the evidence, and 186 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,039 it leads you to someplace you don't want to go. And 187 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,440 that's where the rubber meets the road, right, that's when 188 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,159 you figure out, well, am I really interested in justice 189 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,879 here or do I still want to play tribalism? And 190 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,360 it seems a lot of people still want to play tribalism. 191 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,320 But the path to victory here is no holds barred, 192 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,000 no passes for anybody. And it doesn't matter what side 193 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,320 of the aisle they were on. If they were involved 194 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,120 with Epstein and they committed crimes, they need to be 195 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,399 held responsible. And until people get out of their bunkers 196 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,919 and stop retreating to their echo chamber anytime they're uncomfortable 197 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,799 with a conversation, well, we're going to have people like 198 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,919 this who were able to manipulate the system. Wexner also 199 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,279 allowed him to unseat his beloved mother, Bello Wexner, on 200 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,600 the board of his foundation. He sold Epstein his ritzy 201 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:57,159 Midtown Minute, the Mansion, and the limited's Boeing seven twenty 202 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:01,039 seven private jet, eventually nicknamed the low To Express by 203 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:04,440 the media because Epstein used it to traffic women for 204 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,559 well under market value. Now, imagine getting rid of your 205 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,679 mom on your board of executives to have Epstein take 206 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,120 her place. For that alone, you should go to prison. 207 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,720 For that of loan, you should be sent to Neptune. 208 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:21,240 Who does that remove your mother from the board for 209 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,000 a guy like Epstein? Huh? See how well that worked 210 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,720 out for you there, Les Wexner. Might have taken decades 211 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,759 to catch up with you, but it's finally catching up, 212 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:34,879 isn't it. People are finally talking about you, Les Wexner. 213 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,480 And guess what, We're going to continue to slam the 214 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:44,080 point home. The details of the transaction, however, were shrouded 215 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,919 in so many shell companies per the doc, that it's 216 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 unclear how much or little Epstein paid for the plane. 217 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:54,279 And that's how all of their finances were. They were 218 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,200 all entangled, all of these offshore accounts, all of these 219 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 accounts that nobody has any eyea idea who even owns 220 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,720 and Epstein had how many of them throughout the Virgin 221 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,360 Islands and elsewhere? We know that there's at least several. 222 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,480 So has there been a forensic accountant chasing these down 223 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:17,399 from the Feds? I highly doubt it because you know, folks, 224 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:21,240 they don't want to open that Pandora's box. The FEDS 225 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,600 know exactly what's in it, and they do not want 226 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:29,039 to release it. And it's a damn shame, A straight travesty. 227 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:32,000 Wexner even broke her to three and a half million 228 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:35,559 dollars deal for Epstein to purchase the guesthouse located on 229 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,759 his massive private property in New Aubany, Ohio. There, Epstein 230 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,559 and Glene Maxwell allegedly sexually assaulted and imprisoned aspiring artist 231 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:49,159 Maria Farmer in nineteen ninety six. However, no arrests were 232 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:54,320 made following the alleged attack, of course not. Don't you 233 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,080 remember what Maria said? She called the New Albany police 234 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,759 and what they told her that Wexner runs the show. 235 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:05,039 She contacted the FBI and YPD. No help from anybody 236 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,200 all the way back in nineteen ninety six. If they 237 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,200 would have just listened to what Maria had to say, 238 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,000 how many people would not have been molested? How many 239 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:18,960 people would have been saved the torturous and ruinous future 240 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,440 that they had to suffer through because the FBI and 241 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:28,840 the police didn't act when they were alerted. And Epstein's 242 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,320 hold on Wexner wasn't limited to just business dealings. In 243 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:35,559 nineteen ninety three, the business tycoon tied the knot with 244 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,200 the then thirty one year old New York attorney Abigail 245 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:44,519 s Copple, Epstein oversaw their prenuptial agreement. Epstein was deeply 246 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:48,639 involved in the personal lives of Abigail, unless, says Fetus Fields. 247 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:52,720 Ellison ads there wasn't a part of Wexner's empire that 248 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:56,279 Epstein didn't have access to and didn't have some ability 249 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 to control. The dude had the keys to the empire, folks, 250 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,600 you know, that's not an understatement. That's not people over 251 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:06,360 selling it. This dude had the keys to the empire, 252 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,960 and he used them, and Epstein took full advantage of 253 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,039 his benefactor's growing clout. In the summer of nineteen ninety three, 254 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,799 Epstein was caught posing as a recruiter for Victoria's secret 255 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:23,240 catalog models. He was using his affiliation with Wexner as 256 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:28,159 a lure for attracting unsuspecting beauties. According to Fetus Fields, Now, 257 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,320 if you want to get deep, was this part of it? 258 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:33,600 Did Wexner know that Epstein was going to use the 259 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:36,519 business to get more girls? And that was why he 260 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,639 gave him the keys to the kingdom? Of course that 261 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,039 speculation on my part, But maybe if the investigators would 262 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:47,039 do their job, we wouldn't have to speculate, would we Then? 263 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:50,840 In May nineteen ninety seven, former Playboy pin up Alicia Arden, 264 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,720 now fifty five, filed a sexual battery report in Santa Monica, California, 265 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:59,759 against Epstein, claiming he sexually manhandled her in his hotel 266 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,720 room during a supposed meeting about posing in a Victorious 267 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:08,160 Secret mailer. Now, look, how many times have we heard 268 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,880 this story from women involved with Epstein. Oh, I went 269 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,279 there because I thought I was going to become a 270 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:17,119 model for Victoria's Secret. And no investigator thinks it's a 271 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,319 good idea to do a full on investigation of everybody 272 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:25,240 that was involved in a leadership position at Victoria's Secret 273 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,920 at the time. And again you just see folks why 274 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:36,359 they do not want to make this rico. While it's 275 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,400 unclear if word of the incident ever got back to Wexner, 276 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,400 the apparel magnate continued singing Epstein's praises to the public. 277 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Wexner told Vanity Fair in two thousand and three that 278 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:50,319 Epstein was very smart, with a combination of excellent judgment 279 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,960 and an unusually high standard. Oh yeah, excellent judgment, huh, 280 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,319 unusually high standard compared to what a war criminal. Also, 281 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,440 he always has the most loyal friend. Washington Post journalist 282 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:08,039 Sarah Ellison quotes in the doc Epstein had to have 283 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,160 some kind of hold over Wexner, and that hold many 284 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,839 in the dock believe was far stronger than mere business ties. Look, 285 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,519 it's one hundred percent man very Rarely will I go 286 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:22,160 out on a limb here and say, oh, that's one 287 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,759 hundred percent unless I can prove it. And I believe 288 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:30,559 there's enough evidence there circumstantially to prove less Wexner's involvement here. 289 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,079 And I just think at this point there is no 290 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,759 will of the federal government to go after him in 291 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:39,400 the right kind of manner and bring him to justice 292 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:44,079 at the very least. How about he gets deposed and 293 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:51,559 we see what's what each one must have fulfilled the 294 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:54,559 need of the other, says Fetus Fields. I'm not at 295 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,319 all inferring that it was a sexual need, but there 296 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,279 was something there. Why aren't you inferring that I think 297 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:02,880 it was. I think it was a sexual need. And 298 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,640 who the hell knows what sort of proclivities that the 299 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,200 elfin look in mf or less Wexner was into prior 300 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,319 to his death. Epstein, during a twenty ten deposition in 301 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,119 a Florida civil case, denied identifying as bisexual, and when 302 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,200 asked if he shared a romantic relationship with Wexner, the 303 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:26,960 convicted sex offender Spatan emphatic no. Per Footage of the 304 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:31,079 legal inquisition featured in the series. Now again, a lot 305 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:34,559 of people who have said otherwise said that they did 306 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,359 have some sort of sexual connection. I have no idea. 307 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,039 I can't prove it one way or the other. But 308 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:44,200 that is a conversation, a line of conversation that has 309 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:50,440 been out there for quite some time. Wexner, who declined 310 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,920 to be interviewed for the doc but provided statements to 311 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,720 production through an attorney, categorically denied a homosexual dalliance with Epstein. 312 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,160 Representatives for Wexner denied immediately respond to the post request 313 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,480 for a comment. Now they're not going to respond. They 314 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:08,640 never do. As the years went on, Wexner got richer 315 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,759 and Epstein continued to reap the benefits. By the late 316 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:16,079 two thousands, Victoria's Secret had a mask a whopping six 317 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,039 billion in revenue, with top supermodels including Heidi Klumb, Tyra Banks, 318 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,440 and Adriana Lima modeling the brands Push Ups and Panties 319 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Epstein used his friend's money to his benefit, buying up 320 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,880 sprawling estates around the world, including a k apartment in 321 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,400 Paris and the Seaside Villa in the US Virgin Islands, 322 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:42,519 which ultimately acted as traffic imports. Again, you hear all 323 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:46,039 of these references to trafficking and this that the other thing, Well, 324 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,799 it wasn't just Maxwell and Epstein that were involved in that, 325 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,920 is it? So now that Maxwell has been sentenced, now 326 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,839 we focus on those other names. You know that everybody 327 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,119 was talking about, now's the time to go after those names. 328 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,119 Anybody who was visiting this island for any reason should 329 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 be at the top of the list to be spoken 330 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:12,519 with by the FBI. Epstein also used Wexner's acquisition of 331 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,640 some seven forty seven cargo jets, as well as a 332 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,039 fleet of Southern Air transport plane which were once owned 333 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:23,160 by the CIA, to bolster his own reputation. Over the years, 334 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,039 the hustler boasted that he had connections to the intelligence agency. 335 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:30,680 Says Ellison, Look, there's way more evidence out there that 336 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:34,359 points to him being an asset than there isn't. And 337 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,400 then you add the fact that the CIA own these planes, 338 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,079 and you have yourself a whole lot of coincidences, And 339 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,839 it comes down to this, folks, do you believe that 340 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,599 all of this stuff is just a coincidence or is 341 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,519 there something else going on below the surface that the 342 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:56,880 legacy media just refuses to dig into. And building strong 343 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,319 ties with the federal government was said to be of 344 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,839 the utmost importance to Wexner. The Mogul, according to the documentary, 345 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:09,200 and Powder, empowered Epstein to allocate funds towards devising a 346 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,759 communication strategy for the Israeli government in the wake of 347 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:17,839 the Iraq War. Wexner's motivation, per journalist Noah Colwyn, co 348 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,160 host of the podcast about the Iraq War blowback, was 349 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,160 to make sure their preferred outcomes happen. The mogul specific 350 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,440 political hopes were not explored in the film, but Wexner 351 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:31,720 is known to be very pro Israel. Yeah, he's part 352 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,240 of the Megagroup. He is one of the benefactors of Israel. 353 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,759 There's no denying it. There is no denying his connections 354 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,640 to the State of Israel, and there's certainly no denying 355 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,319 that Israeli intelligence had some connections here as well. But 356 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,200 Wexner and Epstein's seemingly impenetrable bond began to weaken in 357 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,720 two thousand and six when the swindler was caught sexually 358 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:59,319 abusing underage girls in his Palm Beach, Florida state. Epstein 359 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,440 was arrested on solicitation of prostitution charges. And this was 360 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,519 the built in escape hatch for them. If you ever 361 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,160 get caught, here's what we'll say. You stole this money 362 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,680 from me, I'll still be protected, and unfortunately, you, my friend, 363 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:21,640 you're gonna burn. Legal documents obtained from an investigation launched 364 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,240 by officials in Oregon, according to the series, indicate that 365 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:29,720 Wexner's L Brands directly aided Epstein's legal defense after his 366 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:34,039 two thousand and six arrest. However, the mogul ultimately removed 367 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,200 Epstein as his power of attorney in December two thousand 368 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,720 and seven, before Epstein went to jail in two thousand 369 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:44,359 and eight and served a measly eighteen month sentence. So 370 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:50,079 imagine Wexner and Victoria's secret and L Brands they were 371 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,519 helping provide legal aid to Jeffrey Epstein. And you mean 372 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:56,319 to tell me Wesner has no ties to Dershowitz or 373 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,799 ken Starr or Jay Lefkowitz or any of these other 374 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,319 characters that were running around acting as attorneys for Epstein. 375 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:09,240 It would be another thirteen years before the registered offender 376 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:12,759 was returned to police custody for his sex crimes. By 377 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:16,839 the time of Epstein's twenty nineteen arrest, Wexner finally began 378 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,319 pub to publicly distance himself from the master manipulator, claiming 379 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:24,759 he too was a victim of his schemes. And I 380 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,200 find that to be such bs and as I've stated 381 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,799 earlier and just now, it was all part of the 382 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,559 cooked in plot. In my opinion, these guys are shrewd. 383 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,640 They think in advance, what do we do if something 384 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,519 goes wrong? How are we gonna protect ourselves? And Epstein 385 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,640 was set up to take the fall, and that's what 386 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,720 intelligence does. When assets are burned, those assets end up 387 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:52,839 taking the fall. In February twenty twenty, Wexner stepped down 388 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,400 from his role as CEO of L Brandts. A spokesperson 389 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720 for Victoria's Secret told the Post Victoria's Secret is an 390 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,880 end and company now and can't comment on behalf of 391 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:08,799 L Brands or former CEO Les Wexner, but concerning Epstein's wrongdoings. 392 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,480 Wexner spoke for himself. Everyone has to feel enormous regret 393 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:16,839 for the advantage that was taken of so many young women. 394 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,400 That just unexplainable, abhorrent behavior. Clearly is something we all 395 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,880 would condemn, the retailer said in a televised address featured 396 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,359 in the Dock. Being taken advantage of by someone so sick, 397 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,720 so cunning, so depraved is something that I'm embarrassed that 398 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,160 I was even close to, added Wexner, who gave Epstein 399 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,880 an estimated four hundred million during their twenty year relationship. 400 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,720 In the doc, Ellison says, we needn't cry for the mogul. 401 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,559 Epstein's story has done more damage to him than anything 402 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,319 does in his life, says Ellison. But even as his 403 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,400 legacy has been tarnished, he's still amassing wealth and still 404 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:57,559 is one of the most powerful billionaires in the country. 405 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,599 And that folks says everything right there. How is it 406 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,279 that a man with all of this evidence against him, 407 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,480 all of these allegations, is still running around and amassing 408 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:12,240 this fortune. Well, it tells me that the whole entire 409 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:16,440 ruling class is corrupt and until people like Les Wexner 410 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,839 and the rest of these guys are held accountable, this 411 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,960 sort of thing will just continue to happen. And while 412 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:28,480 Epstein might be dead, Maxwell might be in prison, there 413 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,960 are a whole lot of other co conspirators who still 414 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,440 need to be brought to justice. All right, folks, that's 415 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,279 going to do it for this episode. If you'd like 416 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,720 to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kopuuchi 417 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:46,559 at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbuy c apu Cci 418 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,680 at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on 419 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,599 Twitter at bo bbuy underscore c ap u Cci. The 420 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,559 link that I discussed can be found in the description box.