Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.
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Speaker 2: TJ Reeves. Here is our insider, Big Dan Rayfield.
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Speaker 2: We do a fantastic job. We do, say so ourselves,
Speaker 2: weekend and week out of previewing the best of the
Speaker 2: coming weekend in boxing. One problem this weekend, Rayfield, we
Speaker 2: don't really have a prominent fight per se. So we
Speaker 2: got to get creative on this week's show. We weren't
Speaker 2: gonna just bag it and not be there for the
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Speaker 2: a lot of fight news to go over. We got
Speaker 2: something that we're teasing for Sunday. First of all, how
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Speaker 1: Go yeah, absolutely so. I mean, Mark has been a
Speaker 1: friend of mine for twenty five years. I met him
Speaker 1: way way back when I was working at USA Today
Speaker 1: and the end of two thousand. Mark was a columnist
Speaker 1: the writing about general sports, but a lot about boxing
Speaker 1: for the New York at that time, the New York
Speaker 1: Daily News. He also wrote for The New York Post.
Speaker 1: So I've known him forever. We were colleagues at ESPN
Speaker 1: for a long time, and he is the author of
Speaker 1: a number of best selling books. His latest is called
Speaker 1: Baddest Man The Making of Mike Tyson, which is like
Speaker 1: a four hundred and thirty four page tome about my
Speaker 1: Tyson is immaculately researched tremendously well done, and as I
Speaker 1: came to find out when Mark sent me a copy
Speaker 1: with a nice inscription to me, that that book is
Speaker 1: only really the first part because it only goes through
Speaker 1: the end of what happened in the fight with the
Speaker 1: very famous apex of Mike' scurer with Mike Tyson. So
Speaker 1: what we have coming for the reviewers on YouTube and
Speaker 1: the listeners on the pod is we just spent right
Speaker 1: before we did this, correct, We do like about an
Speaker 1: hour of you and I talking to Mark about a
Speaker 1: little bit out Canelo and Crawford, because Mark was part
Speaker 1: of the in Netflix broadcast to get his take on
Speaker 1: that particular fight and the history that was made by
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford, but also about this amazing book that he
Speaker 1: has written, Chroniclink Tyson, as I said to Mark, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'll give a little tease, like I've been
Speaker 1: following Mike Tyson sin I'm a kid. You know, he
Speaker 1: was fighting where I grew up in the Albany, New
Speaker 1: York area, in the Capitol District of New York and
Speaker 1: has had tens of millions of words and said about
Speaker 1: him over the years. And I'm like twenty pages into
Speaker 1: the book and I'm already finding out that I never
Speaker 1: heard about about that. So he'd done an amazing job
Speaker 1: of putting this together. And so we had a really
Speaker 1: good time talking about his process of doing the book
Speaker 1: and about some things he learned about Mike, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about Tyson. It was tremendous. I
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Speaker 2: Coming up. Okay, So news from this past week, and
Speaker 2: there are some different things that we have to talk about.
Speaker 2: Jake Paul and Jervonte Davis had their media tour earlier
Speaker 2: this week in New York and in Miami, and we
Speaker 2: began to learn some more about this of course there's
Speaker 2: the viral moments of Paul you know, squaring off with
Speaker 2: Javonte Davis as he's bigger, and we see all that
Speaker 2: all over the internet. But Dan take us through anything
Speaker 2: that we learn, including the undercard being filled out as
Speaker 2: well for this upcoming November show go ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, first of all, as far as this,
Speaker 1: I call it a goofy exhibition. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: good for the two guys. They are gonna make a
Speaker 1: lot of money. I'm sure there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are interested to see whatever's gonna transpire in this
Speaker 1: particular event. And you know me, I've never knocked Jake
Speaker 1: for doing the things he has done in terms of
Speaker 1: the types of events he's put on. I just can't
Speaker 1: find myself getting too into this one, to be honest.
Speaker 1: And it's not anything against tankh I enjoy watching. I
Speaker 1: wish he was fighting a legitimate fight in terms of
Speaker 1: the dull monument.
Speaker 2: And so you're coming a little closer to my side
Speaker 2: of the street on farcical with this on him being
Speaker 2: eighty pounds heavier than Davis seventy eight pounds heavier.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if they're at their actual fighting weights,
Speaker 1: they're separated by sixty five pounds, but yeah, I hear you,
Speaker 1: and not to mention that Jake is probably about about
Speaker 1: seven or eight inches taller than Tank Davis. But whatever,
Speaker 1: let them do what they want to do. So they
Speaker 1: went and they did their media tour open to the public.
Speaker 1: They did it in Monday in Manhattan. They did it
Speaker 1: again on Tuesday in Miami, where they moved the fight
Speaker 1: from the original location in Atlanta now is taking place
Speaker 1: in Miami, and so they square it off. But I
Speaker 1: you know, when you do a press conference for an
Speaker 1: actual fight and there's tension and there's stakes because of
Speaker 1: a title or pound for pound or whatever the reasons are, like,
Speaker 1: you can feel like the tension and you know that
Speaker 1: they're looking to hurt each other or you know, to
Speaker 1: win because it's going to advance their careers. It's going
Speaker 1: to help them make a legacy on people are really
Speaker 1: into it this fight. To me, again, I'm not not
Speaker 1: going to if you want to watch it, by all means,
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it. I don't love it, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it. It doesn't have any of
Speaker 1: that because there's no real stakes because it's not going
Speaker 1: to count it's they did announce the particulars. It is officially,
Speaker 1: as we suspected and knew ahead of time, it is
Speaker 1: an exhibition match for ten rounds three minute rounds, so
Speaker 1: at least in that sense, the rules are the same.
Speaker 1: Nikisa Beadarin, who was the co founder of Most Valuable
Speaker 1: Promotions and Jake Paul's partner in that company, he's the
Speaker 1: ostensibly the promoter since Jake is the combatant in the fight.
Speaker 1: They announced that it will be uh, it'll be contracted
Speaker 1: at one hundred and ninety five pounds, hardly a big
Speaker 1: give for anybody, because Tank is one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five pounds champion. He fought one time about four years
Speaker 1: ago at one hundred and forty pounds in his fight
Speaker 1: against Mario Barrios and Jake Paul. Although the cruiserweight limit
Speaker 1: is two hundred pounds, for most of his fights, he's
Speaker 1: been somewhere between like one eighty three and like one
Speaker 1: ninety is or something like that, so he's had a
Speaker 1: few fights over the one ninety five. Obviously, when he
Speaker 1: fought Tyson, you know, in the so called official fight,
Speaker 1: he bulked up to two hundred and twenty seven pounds
Speaker 1: but the point is for him to make two hundred
Speaker 1: for cruiserweight, like he that was the limit, let's say
Speaker 1: for his most recent bout against Chavez Junior. For the
Speaker 1: making one ninety five, You're hardly sucking down and draining
Speaker 1: yourself in any kind of dramatic way. To me, the
Speaker 1: more interesting thing is not what Jake Paul's gonna wait
Speaker 1: for this fight, because presumably he's going to weigh right
Speaker 1: on the one ninety five. I don't see why he
Speaker 1: would be lower. Is how heavy is tanking to come in?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Where can he still be effected?
Speaker 2: He was a realistic guess I have one shirl.
Speaker 1: Idea because even if you see.
Speaker 2: I think he really I think he realistically to still
Speaker 2: be in some kind of shape or whatever would be
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty pounds match.
Speaker 1: That's fair? Is that fair? I think that's fair. And
Speaker 1: I think he might even be a little lesson that
Speaker 1: to tell you the truth, because here's the thing he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not like officially preparing for the fight. You looked
Speaker 1: at him at the press converence. He doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he's out of shape or anything like that. But he
Speaker 1: can't be more than one sixty or something like that
Speaker 1: right now, I can't. It probably isn't even that much.
Speaker 1: And like I said, his only fight above one thirty
Speaker 1: five was one hundred and forty pounds and he was
Speaker 1: effective at that weight. I mean, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a goofy thing to me. So anyway, bottom line,
Speaker 1: there are a ten round three minute ten round fight.
Speaker 1: Three minute rounds. One hundred and ninety five is the
Speaker 1: contract limit. They are gonna have three judges there, according
Speaker 1: to the cases announcement at this news conference. But they're
Speaker 1: gonna so though the renders score is if necessary unless
Speaker 1: somebody gets knocked out. There's no prohibition against a knockout
Speaker 1: or anything like that, which is always sort of a
Speaker 1: weird thing. Anyway. You can't prohibit prohibiting knockout because if
Speaker 1: a guy lands a shot and a guy gets knocked out,
Speaker 1: that can happen no matter whether you're say you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do it or not. So they're gonna presumably
Speaker 1: fight hard. I hope they'd do anyway, But three judges
Speaker 1: will offer their scoring at the end of the rounds
Speaker 1: and at the end of the fight if it goes
Speaker 1: to ten, you know, if it goes at ten round distance,
Speaker 1: but it won't count on their records because technically it's
Speaker 1: an exhibition, even though we'll know what our eyes saw. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: they will wear twelve ounce gloves instead of what would
Speaker 1: normally have been ten ounce gloves. If you know about
Speaker 1: boxing rules, if you're in the welterweight division or below,
Speaker 1: it's usually ten ounce rather eight ounce gloves than anything
Speaker 1: above that is ten ounce gloves. For this, they're gonna
Speaker 1: wear twelve ounce gloves, which are still smaller than like
Speaker 1: gloves that guys would typically spar in. There'll be the
Speaker 1: heaviest gloves that that tank ever wore for an actual fight,
Speaker 1: because of course he's never fought about one, so I
Speaker 1: would imagine every one of his professional bouts had been
Speaker 1: eight ounce gloves, So that could be a little bit different,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna to the to the
Speaker 1: layman that's watching on Netflix, which is what's going to
Speaker 1: carry this event. You're not going to notice a couple
Speaker 1: extra ounces on a guy's gloves, and but you will
Speaker 1: notice that one guy is six foot one and will
Speaker 1: be pushing close to two hundred pounds and the other
Speaker 1: guy's five foot five and you know, standing on a
Speaker 1: phone book, as I like to say, you know who's
Speaker 1: been boxing as a one hundred and thirty five pounder
Speaker 1: for most of his career, or even before that one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds where he won his first world titles.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of a goofy thing. But
Speaker 1: if people want to see it, so be it. Again,
Speaker 1: I can't get too hyped about it. But but anyway,
Speaker 1: but the point I'm making though, TJ. Is when you
Speaker 1: went and watched any of the news conference, whether it
Speaker 1: was the one in New York or the one of Miami,
Speaker 1: you know, they were saying things and all that, but
Speaker 1: I didn't get any real sense of like they're they're
Speaker 1: don't like each other, or you know that there's hatred
Speaker 1: or there's some kind of chip on their shoulder. They're
Speaker 1: fighting for any real stakes. This is a business transaction,
Speaker 1: cash grab for both of them. It's a money grab,
Speaker 1: and by the way, nothing wrong with that, because we'd
Speaker 1: all love to get cash grabs if we Because I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, the only thing that I keep coming back to is,
Speaker 2: don't tell me you're serious about becoming a World Championships fighter.
Speaker 2: Jake Paul. If this is what you're doing instead and
Speaker 2: wasting another six months for a.
Speaker 1: Year I think about itself, turns out to be a joke,
Speaker 1: and everybody leaves their screen or their phone or their
Speaker 1: you know, TV or wherever they watched this event upset.
Speaker 1: Just remember two things. A it wasn't pay per view.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a regular Netflix subscription, you
Speaker 1: just get it anyway, so you're not out the money
Speaker 1: if you blew. You know, back in the day, people
Speaker 1: spending fifty dollars watching Mike Tyson knock got Bruce Seldon
Speaker 1: in one round where Bruce heldn didn't even try to fight.
Speaker 1: That was a different story. And secondly, what do you
Speaker 1: expect from a from a fight between guys exactly? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I'm I'm a little disappointed the Commission
Speaker 1: would even approve this as an exhibition or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: but again, the Florida Commission approved Floyd Mayweather against Logan
Speaker 1: Paul where there was a similar weight to party. Floyd
Speaker 1: was like a at that time, fighting about one fifty
Speaker 1: four and Logan Paul was over two hundred pounds. I
Speaker 1: guess when he would, you know, be walking around so
Speaker 1: there was similar fifty plus pounds different, so you know
Speaker 1: that that was what it was anyway, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 2: Under card, what about the card on the on the
Speaker 2: November show.
Speaker 1: Right, So with respect to MVP, like, one thing I'll
Speaker 1: say when they put some of these goofy Jake Paul
Speaker 1: events on, one thing I'll give them credit for is
Speaker 1: they do a pretty damn good job of putting on
Speaker 1: legit fights for their undercards, you know, and that's that's important.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. So and this is no different.
Speaker 1: So in the co feature, they promote Alicia Baumgardner, who's
Speaker 1: the undisputed women's Junior lightweight champion, for this fight. She
Speaker 1: will defend against the Canadian contender, Layla A Bedouin, but
Speaker 1: she has vacated her WBC belt, so she's given up
Speaker 1: her status as undisputed. She still has the other three titles.
Speaker 1: And the reason is because this stems to the time
Speaker 1: in recent years where Amanda Serrano, who was at the
Speaker 1: time the undisputed featherweight champion, wanted her bouts to be
Speaker 1: under the same rules as the men, meaning twelve rounds
Speaker 1: and three minute rounds. The WBC, they cite their medical
Speaker 1: people's reports and research and safety things along those lines,
Speaker 1: and they refuse for women's matches to sanctioned fights that
Speaker 1: are twelve rounds or three minutes. So she wanted to
Speaker 1: participate in the same type of rules as the men.
Speaker 1: The other organizations allow it, the Commission allows it if
Speaker 1: both sides say it's okay, even though the default for
Speaker 1: women would be ten rounds for a title fight and
Speaker 1: two minute rounds. But I guess both the athletes are
Speaker 1: on board with it, and that's what she wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So she vacates her WBC title, but they will fight
Speaker 1: a female Boxing World Championship fight. This will be a
Speaker 1: twelve round schedule about and the rounds will be three
Speaker 1: minutes long. So she's following in the footsteps of what
Speaker 1: Amanda Serrano has done, who is part of MVP now
Speaker 1: also and as you know, one of their major fighters.
Speaker 1: So that's her defense in the co feature and then
Speaker 1: in the fight that's below that This is actually a
Speaker 1: good fight, and I've been wondering what's happening with this fight,
Speaker 1: been asking Gilberto Mendoz from the WBA for like two
Speaker 1: months what the status was because that had been ordered
Speaker 1: to a purse bid, but it will be this fight.
Speaker 1: It will be the first defense of the WBA Junior
Speaker 1: welterweight title of Gary Antoine Russell, who will take on
Speaker 1: his mandatory the Japanese contender, who you may have seen
Speaker 1: on some of the Japanese cards that came on ESPN
Speaker 1: Plus from Japan on in a way under cards and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing against Andy Hirioka, And so that's
Speaker 1: another fight on the card. That's a very interesting fight
Speaker 1: to me. You know, good fighters. Obviously, Gary Russell is
Speaker 1: just tremendous speed, comes from that bloodlines of his brother,
Speaker 1: Gary Junior, was the former featherweight champion, and Gary looked
Speaker 1: good in the last fight when he won the belt.
Speaker 1: And you know, Heroica has been doing his thing. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be coming off about a fourteen month layoff. Part
Speaker 1: of that was because he achieved the mandatory status and
Speaker 1: they weren't going to blow that spot. So he's twenty
Speaker 1: four to zero with nineteen knockouts. They're both the same
Speaker 1: age twenty nine. So that's the next fight down the card,
Speaker 1: and then you get into the fights that are on
Speaker 1: the preliminaries, and they've added some of the two of
Speaker 1: their women champions, because obviously if you follow MVP at all,
Speaker 1: you know that they are by far and away the
Speaker 1: number one promoter in terms of top level women's boxing.
Speaker 1: So they have signed a whole bunch of top women
Speaker 1: over the last few months, and so they've got a
Speaker 1: couple of them making defenses. You have Elie Scottney from
Speaker 1: the UK. She's taken on Mayeli Flores. That will be
Speaker 1: a four belt unification fights, so it will produce at
Speaker 1: the end if there's no draw, you'll have the undisputed
Speaker 1: women's junior featherweight champion, so that there are stakes there.
Speaker 1: And then further down you've got jo Costa Vaye, who's
Speaker 1: been one of the top pound four pound female boxers
Speaker 1: for a number of years. Had a pretty big fight
Speaker 1: that she lost against Anissi Estrada. She is since that loss,
Speaker 1: has one another title. She's the WBC's female strawweight Champion.
Speaker 1: She is defending the title against Yadira Bustillos. So you
Speaker 1: got that, and then you know some other fights on
Speaker 1: the preliminary part, but the main card Jake Paul against
Speaker 1: Davis and the exhibition Alisa Baumgarner against Bedouin in the
Speaker 1: title defense at twelve rounds of three minutes for a
Speaker 1: female boxing match and a very high level first class
Speaker 1: legit world title fight between Gary Antoine Russell and Andy Hereoka.
Speaker 2: So at least you get a good undercard with this,
Speaker 2: like you said, like you prefaced it with, and again
Speaker 2: that's coming for November, all right. So a couple of
Speaker 2: other things here on some fights. While we're on the
Speaker 2: subject of Davonte Davis. Remember he knocked out the ghost
Speaker 2: Frank Martin back in June of twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: Martin is now going to fight for the first time
Speaker 2: in almost what a year and a half coming up
Speaker 2: the next month. So tell me more about Martin's return.
Speaker 1: So PBC has not announced this yet, but if you
Speaker 1: go on any of Frank martin social media, he's posted
Speaker 1: like an artwork rendering of it and he announced he's
Speaker 1: back and what's going on. So he will be back
Speaker 1: on October twenty fifth, will be on the card that
Speaker 1: PBC and Prime Video are doing as a pay per
Speaker 1: view October twenty fifth at the MGM Brand Gardenerena in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. The main event is Sebastian Fundora defending his
Speaker 1: WBC Junior didawait title in the main event against Keith Thurman,
Speaker 1: but Frank Martin's about is supposed to be the final
Speaker 1: bout on the free prelum, so even he don't buy
Speaker 1: the pay per view, he can still watch this and
Speaker 1: whatever else they put on the free prelims. And Frank
Speaker 1: Martin is back in action in the main free prelim
Speaker 1: fight against Rancis Barthelmy, who frankly I thought was retired,
Speaker 1: but I guess he's not. He's a former title holder
Speaker 1: both in the junior lightweight and lightweight division. He is
Speaker 1: attempted at times to become the first Cuban to win
Speaker 1: a title in a third weight division. He came up shy,
Speaker 1: he got a draw in one of those fights. In
Speaker 1: any event, that's the fight. So it'll be good to
Speaker 1: see Frank Martin back in action because it always kind
Speaker 1: of drives me mad when a guy's got a nice
Speaker 1: career going okay, he runs into a tank Davis, who
Speaker 1: he was very competitive with until he got knocked out.
Speaker 1: But up until that moment it was a highly competitive fight.
Speaker 1: And so he takes some time off and I don't
Speaker 1: really quite understand why. It's sixteen months he wasn't particularly
Speaker 1: injured or anything like that. But it's good to see
Speaker 1: Frank Martin back because look, he is a good quality fighter. Now,
Speaker 1: of course for this fight, he's no longer to be
Speaker 1: fighting at lightweight. I guess his fight's at junior welterweight,
Speaker 1: where Barthelmy has been for the last year years. But
Speaker 1: any event, good to see Frank back in action because
Speaker 1: he's still a talented fighter. And there's no shame in
Speaker 1: losing by knockout to Tank Davis, as that's happened to
Speaker 1: a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: True. And then we're going to talk about two more
Speaker 2: previous opponents of Tank Davis. And you were saying this
Speaker 2: to us coming off of the weekend on the last pod,
Speaker 2: that it would not surprise you if PBC would squeeze
Speaker 2: in one more card and it would have involved Lamont
Speaker 2: Roach and Pitt Bull Cruise. What else have you learned
Speaker 2: about when that might be et cetera go ahead?
Speaker 1: Well, so obviously Roach was thinking he's going to get
Speaker 1: the rematch of the draw from March against Tank Davis.
Speaker 1: They fought to that very controversial draw. The knockdown that
Speaker 1: should have been called that the referee didn't call Steve
Speaker 1: Willis and Tank Davis was supposed to move on from
Speaker 1: that win if he got it infight Jake Paul back
Speaker 1: then didn't happen. He exercises right to a rematch against
Speaker 1: Lamont Roach, and so that was being planned at various
Speaker 1: times in the summer. It didn't happen. Obviously, Tank had
Speaker 1: to do you know, he had the legal iss shoes
Speaker 1: with the assault, the domestic abuse situation. Ultimately the case
Speaker 1: was dropped, so he was no longer dealing with that.
Speaker 1: In any event, the fight, the rematch with Roach kept
Speaker 1: getting delayed, and then he said forget about it, and
Speaker 1: he is now taking the fight with Jake Paul or
Speaker 1: the exhibition with Jake Paul. So that left Lamont Roach,
Speaker 1: you know, in need of an opponent.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: When Many pakiall fought the fight with Mario Barrios back
Speaker 1: in July, there was a lot of discussion after that
Speaker 1: fight that Many would come back and fight at the
Speaker 1: end of the year in December, you know, and headline
Speaker 1: one of these types of shows again. And they were
Speaker 1: talking about maybe he would fight Roland Romero. They were
Speaker 1: talking about maybe they would do a Barrios rematch. Was
Speaker 1: all kinds of different things that were being tossed rat.
Speaker 1: It is my understanding, and I've talked to a variety
Speaker 1: of people that are directly involved with this event, is
Speaker 1: Pakia will not fight again the rest of this year.
Speaker 1: He'll be back probably in January February, but in the
Speaker 1: meantime they still are going to do a final show
Speaker 1: in December, December sixth or December twentieth, and the fight
Speaker 1: will be headlined by lamont Roach challenging Isaac Pittbull Cruz
Speaker 1: for his WBC Interim Junior weal to rate belt, which
Speaker 1: he won on the Pacio undercard back in July, although
Speaker 1: drove me crazy because he did so against a late replacement.
Speaker 1: They fight only schedule for ten rounds, not the twelve
Speaker 1: round championship distance, but you know who's counting.
Speaker 2: This would presumably be a twelve round interim Junior welterway
Speaker 2: title fight in December.
Speaker 1: Yes, for the interim belt exactly. So as a matchup,
Speaker 1: I find Pitbull Cruise against the mont Roach should be
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good fight. My question, and again it's
Speaker 1: not my money, so I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that sells as an eighty
Speaker 1: dollars pay per view main event, now PBC doesn't do.
Speaker 1: To PBC's credit, they've done a very good job, similar
Speaker 1: to like MVP when they do these undercards. They've put
Speaker 1: their best foot forward and done excellent shows for the
Speaker 1: remainder of the show as far as beyond the main event.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much it sells. But Pitbull
Speaker 1: has a good fan base. And by the way, one
Speaker 1: thing was told very specifically by one of the people
Speaker 1: directly involve with this event is it probably will not
Speaker 1: take place in Las Vegas, which would sort of be
Speaker 1: an upset because the PBC on Prime Video pay per
Speaker 1: views have most I think all of them. Actually maybe
Speaker 1: I'm missing one, but I think they've all taken place
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas so far. Take that back when Lamont
Speaker 1: Roach fought Tank that was in New York, but most
Speaker 1: of them have been in Vegas. But for this one,
Speaker 1: they're looking to go maybe to Texas or somewhere in
Speaker 1: the southwest. San Diego was mentioned to me. Phoenix was
Speaker 1: mentioned to me. Take advantage of the tank of the
Speaker 1: Tank of the Pitbull, who has a very healthy following
Speaker 1: among the Mexican fan base of the Mexican Americans, so
Speaker 1: that that will be the way that they probably close
Speaker 1: up the year.
Speaker 2: Moving along, there was a press conference Thursday in Japan
Speaker 2: where the brother of Naoia in a way, Takuma in Away,
Speaker 2: is now involved in a vacant WBC bantamweight title fight.
Speaker 2: Tell me more about the circumstances and the opponent real quick.
Speaker 1: Well, it was just in a few last few days
Speaker 1: last week or so that Jinto Nakatani, who was the
Speaker 1: unified bantam wait champion, vacated the titles. He is moving up.
Speaker 1: We discussed it on the one of the previous shows.
Speaker 1: He's to be part of that December twenty seventh card
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, a read a season or a ring
Speaker 1: magazine card whatever they're calling it, a Turkey al sheet
Speaker 1: cart where the main event will be in a way,
Speaker 1: defending against Picasso there and they're putting Nakatani, as you know,
Speaker 1: because the fights are all Japanese boxers taken on other
Speaker 1: fighters some other areas of the world. And so now
Speaker 1: this is exciting because you have Nakatani coming into the
Speaker 1: way class where in Away is. They're both now going
Speaker 1: to be a one hundred and twenty two pounds as
Speaker 1: we hopefully line up for what will be a mega
Speaker 1: fight for Japan and for boxing. Frankly sometime in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six, in the first half of the year. I
Speaker 1: would think in the spring, where Nakatani and in a
Speaker 1: way will fight each other, assuming they both win their
Speaker 1: fights in November. But he vacated the title, so to
Speaker 1: fill that vacancy to WBC had ordered the negotiations and
Speaker 1: if they didn't make a deal there would have been
Speaker 1: a purse bid. But apparently the sides have made a
Speaker 1: deal because on Thursday they had the press covers in
Speaker 1: Tokyo and this fight will take place November twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: To fill the vacant WBC title be Tension Nasakawa, who
Speaker 1: has had some exposure on the ESPN Plus under cards
Speaker 1: for a lot of the Japanese cards that they have
Speaker 1: done with in a way with NaIO in Away the
Speaker 1: older brother. Obviously, people might know not Nasakawa because he
Speaker 1: was the famous Japanese kickboxer who with the very first
Speaker 1: exhibition that Floyd Mayweather did post his retirement, fought Mayweather
Speaker 1: was a much heavier fighter and got absolutely pummeled and
Speaker 1: knocked out and destroyed in the first round. But as
Speaker 1: a professional boxer now he's doing it full time. You know.
Speaker 1: He's like seven and always look pretty good. He's a
Speaker 1: southpaw and he's fighting not in the Floyd mayweather Way
Speaker 1: class like in the one forties or one fifties. He's
Speaker 1: fighting at one hundred and eighteen pounds. He's taken on
Speaker 1: Takuma in a way, who used to be the Bandonway
Speaker 1: title holder of the WBA, So he's been a good
Speaker 1: contender for a while. He is coming off of a loss.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that is the fight to fill this vacancy.
Speaker 1: And if this was a few months ago, we would know, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is going to be on ESPN Plus, but now
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see what they come up
Speaker 1: with in terms of a American streamer or broadcaster. It
Speaker 1: will be on Prime Video in Japan, where many of
Speaker 1: these events are, but it's still not announced or if
Speaker 1: there is anything in terms of the United States.
Speaker 2: All right, a couple of more things. The Chris u
Speaker 2: Bank and Connor Ben undercard for November has been brought up.
Speaker 2: Anything stand out to you, maybe a couple things stand
Speaker 2: out to you from that undercard. What about it.
Speaker 1: Nothing. I mean it's really similar to the first one
Speaker 1: and not a surprise, to be quite honest, is it
Speaker 1: is very very British centric. I mean they're not doing
Speaker 1: anything for a worldwide audience, certainly nothing for the United States.
Speaker 1: This is all about the UK audience. So we all
Speaker 1: know about the main event Chris Ubank Junior in the
Speaker 1: rematch with Connor Ben from their fantastic fight earlier in
Speaker 1: the year November fifteenth, same venue as where the first
Speaker 1: one was at the Tottenham hotspurst Stadium in London. But
Speaker 1: the co feature was announced as well as other undercard fights,
Speaker 1: and the co feature is the one that does stand out.
Speaker 1: It's Adam Azine, who we've talked about. We spoke on
Speaker 1: one of the recent shows about he had just signed
Speaker 1: a new deal with Boxer his promoter. They're also the
Speaker 1: promoter for u Bank Junior, so he's going to get
Speaker 1: some tremendous exposure. In the co feature, He's taken on
Speaker 1: a very tough, experienced, durable guy in Zara Abdeliav, who
Speaker 1: you might remember not that long ago fought raymar Ataya
Speaker 1: for a vacant title. He also got stopped years ago
Speaker 1: by Devin Haney in a interim title fight. So he's
Speaker 1: got his experience against some good quality opposition. So that
Speaker 1: will be the co feature, a junior welterweight fight, and
Speaker 1: then you've got another one of the undercard downs they announced.
Speaker 1: Among the various ones they announced was Jack Catterrell, who's
Speaker 1: now fighting as a welter right, He's gonna fight Echo Estuman,
Speaker 1: who retired Josh Taylor. That there's been some reporting and
Speaker 1: I've seen stuff that Caterall's posted on his social media.
Speaker 1: He's changed trainers and this has sort of struck me
Speaker 1: as out of the blue. He's gonna now train with
Speaker 1: Bozy Ennis, who is the father of Jern Boutsennis. So
Speaker 1: it was just a I don't know how that connection happened,
Speaker 1: but it would be the last thing I would have
Speaker 1: thought of. But he obviously wants a change of pace.
Speaker 1: He's come to an American trainer. That'll be their first
Speaker 1: fight together. In Estuman earned himself this type of exposure
Speaker 1: against a name opponent, a good contender like Caterall by
Speaker 1: the way that he took care of Josh Taylor unexpectedly
Speaker 1: not that long ago. They've added Richard Ria Kopore, who
Speaker 1: has been involved in some bigger fights in the lower
Speaker 1: weight class, but now he's coming up to the heavyweight
Speaker 1: division to fight Tommy Welch, not exactly a well known fighter.
Speaker 1: You got Ishmael Davis against Sam Gilly. So again it's
Speaker 1: very British centric. But for my purposes as a fan
Speaker 1: besides me and then, I'm very interested to see how
Speaker 1: adam Azeem deals with a very durable, rugged, tough, solid
Speaker 1: quality guy like zauerb Delive. This is a big step
Speaker 1: off rohim. I know he's got the win over Sergei Lippinetz,
Speaker 1: who's a former world champion, but I feel like zauerb
Speaker 1: Delive is I'm a lot fresher and a lot better
Speaker 1: right now in his career than Lipinez was, even though
Speaker 1: Lipinitz has a bigger name. And for Caterrell, I guess
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Jack, I've said this for a lovely guy,
Speaker 1: you know, good boxer, I find him to be extremely
Speaker 1: boring to watch. We'll see if Bozie Edmis can put
Speaker 1: a little spring in a step, let's say, on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the game.
Speaker 2: They both have in common that they beat Josh Taylor,
Speaker 2: and so that's part of the lure of that I
Speaker 2: one more note, and that is Lindolfo Delgado and Gabrielle
Speaker 2: Golas of Valezuela are going to fight in a one
Speaker 2: forty pound IBF title eliminator where the winner would theoretically
Speaker 2: be in line to fight Richardson Hitchins. Tell me more
Speaker 2: about this, including when and where.
Speaker 1: So the winner of this fight will be the mandatory
Speaker 1: for Richards and Hitchins, you know, assuming that Richards and
Speaker 1: Hitchins decide to stay in the wake class and or
Speaker 1: defend this title. This is not a surprise. This was
Speaker 1: the fight that was ordered. If you remember, go back
Speaker 1: a few months ago, Delgado had been ordered to fight
Speaker 1: Liam Paro. Paro did not participate in the purse bit
Speaker 1: pulled out and decided he was going to stay. He
Speaker 1: had had one fight a little bit over the one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pound way class. He was going to
Speaker 1: stay at welterway and then just about a week ago
Speaker 1: he ended up winning an IBF eliminator in the welterweight
Speaker 1: division to get a title shot in that division. So
Speaker 1: when he pulled out against Delgado, they went down their
Speaker 1: ratings and the next guy was Gabriel Golez Vealezuela, So
Speaker 1: that's the matchup. It will take place. November fifteenth is
Speaker 1: the date supposedly it's going to happen. It will take
Speaker 1: place in San Louis Potosi in Mexico, and they will
Speaker 1: duke it out for the right to become the mandatory challenger.
Speaker 1: And that particular card, which we put on by zan
Speaker 1: for Promotions, will be heavily populated by a lot of
Speaker 1: top rank fighters. As we've discussed many times, Top Ranks
Speaker 1: still without a broadcast deal. They have a very close
Speaker 1: relationship with Zanferd Promotions. They also have a number of
Speaker 1: Mexican and Mexican American fighters on their roster, Delgado being
Speaker 1: one of them. There's been a lot of discussion that
Speaker 1: maybe Raphael Espinoza, the featherweight title holder of the WBO,
Speaker 1: that he will fight on this card in the main event.
Speaker 1: There's been some stuff doubt he might fight Luis Alberto Lopez.
Speaker 1: I talked to Top Rank and ask them. They're like,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that fight, so we'll see, you know
Speaker 1: if they're lying.
Speaker 2: Or theoretically they would know. So either either it's not
Speaker 2: happening or they are lying one of the two, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're talking about it, but it's nowhere near
Speaker 1: being done. And like some people like to, you know,
Speaker 1: get out in front of things when they put stuff
Speaker 1: on their Internet sites or on their Twitter account or whatever.
Speaker 1: But suffice it to say, there's probably a good chance
Speaker 1: Espinoza finds his way into the main event, be it
Speaker 1: against Lopez or somebody else, and that Delgado will be
Speaker 1: in this limit or on the show they've talked about having,
Speaker 1: like maybe Emeliano Vargas on that show. I've seen some
Speaker 1: stuff that potentially Richard Torres, the heavyweight, we might be
Speaker 1: on that cart. But Delgado went down as well as
Speaker 1: the one fight. As far as the bout is signed
Speaker 1: and locked in, uh, you know, and uh, and that
Speaker 1: fight is happening, and that's got some stakes involved.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen Richard Torres recently, and he was kind
Speaker 2: of you know, in the in the consciousness on the
Speaker 2: front burner or whatever. And uh, he's been victimized obviously
Speaker 2: by they don't have a deal right now, they don't
Speaker 2: have shows, So stay tuned, stay tuned on what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen with that.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing about Richard though, he I mean, at
Speaker 1: least he's been overall, he's been somewhat active, Yes, since April.
Speaker 1: That was his biggest win he got that.
Speaker 2: That's his only fight of the year though. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: we said here now on the precipice of Precipice, let's
Speaker 2: let me pull out Precipice on a late night Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Reasons why he might be on that show to gad
Speaker 1: a second fighting, but he is at least coming off
Speaker 1: with the biggest win back in April where he beat
Speaker 1: uh Wuido Vannello. What I always find to be kind
Speaker 1: of wild is that here you have that fight goes
Speaker 1: down between Torres and Viennello. Vnello loses and he's already
Speaker 1: scheduled to be back. He's fighting on a Mattroom card
Speaker 1: coming up, and the guy that beat him in Torres
Speaker 1: doesn't get happen if he'sh fight set and but that's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's on this card like you mentioned in November. Yeah, okay,
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