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Speaker 1: Tonight, we continue our journey into the Twilight Zone in

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print in the current run of id W Comics. And

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as ever to talk about this issue with me tonight

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is my good friend and podcast Zach Moore.

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Speaker 2: Zach, welcome back, hellother Tom, thanks for having me back

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on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so issue five, the one we thought was the

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last one, but it's not. Let's kind of keep on going.

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And I think that's a good thing because whether we

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you know, like, dislike, or are indifferent to these issues,

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I'm glad that this is I'm glad that this this

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series is getting made. You know. We talked about various things,

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the black and white comics, giving it a certain flavor,

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each one being a different creative team. And I'm really

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enjoying this, Jenny, you know, And like I say, we

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don't like everyone, but I kind of like trying to

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figure it out, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we enjoy reading these we enjoy talking about

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them on the podcast, sharing our thoughts about them. But

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they are lower stakes than say, if there was a

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new version of the Twilight Zone and there's episode right,

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So these are these are low steaks, you know, So

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if we love one or don't love one. Like it's like, okay,

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sure give me the other comic. I'll be here next month.

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And so there's a lot less at steak here in

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a comic book than Oh, they've rebooted The Twilight Zone again.

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There's gonna be ten episodes. Here we go, let's all

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talk about it, right. So it's a little more just

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a little relaxed, relaxed to talk about these, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, you hit the nail on the head. I'm

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not going to go back into twenty nineteen more a

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stressful period of my life. That was, but you know

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you and I like that show, but it was certainly

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a very tumultuous time, whereas this is a lot more relaxed,

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like you say, a lot less in the stakes. And

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I think people just tend to accept the Twilight learn

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a bit more in other media other than the main

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one television, so they're probably a lot more forgiving of

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various things. So yeah, I'm enjoying this journey. And tonight

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we have a new issue which is called Silent Warning,

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and this one is written by El Marlo Francavilla and

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Francesco Francavilla, and Francesco is also the artist. I think

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he's an artist that I've come across before. His name

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rings a bell. Maybe he's done some covers in the

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past that have been aware of, but he's certainly very familiar.

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I do like the art style in this one before

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we even get into the story. I do feel that

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this is very fitting for a Twilight Zone comic.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree. I think this is the best artwork of

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the series so far. I think it fits the material.

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I think it fits the Twilight Zone. And I was like,

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all right, they nailed it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's some beautiful imagery at the beginning, and

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there's a nice, big sort of gothic building there, just

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the shadowness of it, you know, there's a lot of

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light and shadow, and yeah, this one does look pretty good.

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I might agree with you on that one. It's certainly

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the most Twilight Zone artwork I think so far. Yeah,

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I agree, this one's quite quite the story, we're introduced

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to doctor m. Sorenson, who is described as a sound

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way virtuoso. We all know one of those, Zach.

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Speaker 2: Everybody know, everybody's circle of friends. You got a sound

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way virtue us, you know.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and she is I mean to keep it short.

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She is drafted in by the American military because a

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metia has fallen into the ocean and Hair and the

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team have got to go down to just basically check

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it out. And she's like, why do you need me

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on this? You know? And we find out that it's

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it's kind of emitting some sort of sound waves or something,

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so they want Hair to go along and figure it out.

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But she's part of this group, a group of four

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guys and Hair who are gonna go down and check

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this meteor out. And I think early on we get

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the vibe that there's one of them, in particular the

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Commander James Eddington, who seems to have a bit of

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a problem where he's quite disparaging about her and you

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know what she doing here? Why does she have to

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be on this thing? And he's always kind of undermining

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and I think that is possibly one of the themes

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of this issue, which we will get to. But it's

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a mission, not unlike the thirty fathom Grave, to go

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down and check something out.

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Speaker 2: You went with thirty fathom Grave. I went with a

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similarly bad episode of The Twilight Zone eight from the

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twenty nineteen show or twenty twenty show. I guess that

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point from the Georgia Field to light Zone. I had

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high hopes. I love Joe McHale of Community. I had

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high hopes. I love octopuses, but that was a terrible

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episode anyway. You know, the theme here is like unheard unseen, right,

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because like even at the beginning in her introduction, which

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by the way, did you take the speech bubbles like

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as a continued rod Sterling narration or not, because there's

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the whole like in the Twilight Zone when the meteor strikes,

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but then the narration like continues where it's like quote

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unquote standard comic book captions. But I was like, I

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don't know, maybe you should have made that rod Sterling.

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character talking about her, and I was like, well, maybe

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that should have been the rod Sterling. Maybe it is.

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but just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 1: Tom, Yeah, I need to go back and check that out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But the theme here is like she she doesn't

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feel heard by people, which which is interesting because she's

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like an you know, audiologist, and she's talking to this

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colleague and she's like doctor Nelson and he has something

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that she needs and he's like, oh, what's that? Did

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you say something? I'm like, okay. So they're planning the

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seeds of this, the theme that like she is either

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not heard or not seen, and the crew to treat

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you this way, except there's one the one. There's one

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guy on the crew, the treacher respect the other ones

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will kind of cutting her off and kind of like

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saying her own words back to her as ideas, and

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so you can see where she's you can see where

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they're going with this. But then there's this mysterious asteroid

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that only she can hear. Tom.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of the details I think got away

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with me a little bit. I mean, because it's pretty

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dry subject matter. You know, it is no pun intended

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that it all takes place matter actually, but you know,

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they're talking a few technicalities, and it's the Commissioner Gordon

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looking guy who who is who tends to give it

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a bit more of a bit more leeway and actually

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listens to it a bit more, isn't it. I think

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some of those details maybe passed me by I need

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to maybe give it another.

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Speaker 2: Also, didn't hear Sorens and you are part of the problem, tom.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, it's so meta, that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: But already, like they've established like like a theme here

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and some character just quirks their motivations, which I'm like,

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we're already on better ground because we were pretty tough.

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books we did, we were pretty tough on the whole,

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like introducing these characters and like you're listening to the

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podcast and the pain like all that kind of thing,

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like like it's a very a deft hand here with

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these character reductions, I think. And and also just aesthetically,

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you know, we talked about the art work already, but

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the time period, if you want to call it that,

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I feel like it's in this, you know, sixties esque,

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looking thing from the sixties. The submarine looks very like

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like futuristic but tomorrow, and technology like the diving suits

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they go in or old school like this. This is

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the vibe the of the Twilight Zone. If there are

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I responded, well to that is not just the way

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everything was drawn, but like the designs of things, the vehicles,

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all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: And the cast, you know, just not necessarily middle aged,

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but just a very sort of adult, straight ahead cast

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that you could imagine could have been cast by people

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of that time, you know. So I think that is

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another one where it feels like, Okay, this feels like

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Twilight Zone. I mean, we have some undersea scenes here,

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and the conversation has always been could this have been

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made as an original Twilight Zone? And this is probably

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the part where it stretches it the most, but not insurmountable.

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Probably they could have done something to represent them under

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the ocean in these diving suits. I'm sure we've seen

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nothing comes to mind off the top of my head,

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but I'm sure we've seen something similar in the Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 2: What they what they could do, Like, why are we

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applying nineteen sixties television next to a twenty twenty six comic,

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you know, just put some people in suits and then

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just put like a little wave filter in front of

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the camera, Like so they aren't actually underwater. You know.

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when they combine both, like in movies and TV shows,

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it's like, Okay, well that's underwater. That is clearly not

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stuff than draw attention to the fact that the other

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stuff is clearly not underwater. But yeah, look, you go

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to the prop closet, you find some old diving suits,

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little filter in front of the camera. There you're underwater. Boom.

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in nineteen sixties.

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submarine pod that comes off the main one and they're

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just looking out the wind.

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look at that, even a better producer than me. I

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saved you five hundred thousand dollars. Tom saved you nine

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hundred thousand dollars. Just there, guys.

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Speaker 1: But where the budget is all going to go is

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on what they encounter while they're under there, because when

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they get next to this media, they come across these

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kind of mutant fish. They look like killer piranhas or something,

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but you know, big teeth, sort of vacant eyes, and

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the fish are attacking them while they're under the water.

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ends up killing this fish. And I actually think this

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builds tension pretty well. You know, these underwater sequences I

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think are really nicely rendered. You know. Then these fish

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come along, one of them gets killed, and they all

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come back onto the submarine and they start to talk

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about what even is this thing? You know it must

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be as a result of getting too close to this metia.

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any life that comes into contact with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me a minute to figure out, Like

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do the fish is this an artistic thing? Do they

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look this way? Is this how fish look in this

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comic book? Or or have they been altered to be

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more like a great like you see big white eyes

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and really pronounced teeth and that sort of thing. And

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it's the effect that this meteorite is having because when

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they all go meteorite, yes, when they all go, the

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crew goes out to investigate this media. Right, the doctor

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stays our main character, Sorenson stays on the ship and

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she starts hearing something and you're like, whoa, what could be?

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No one else hears it? Right, So that that kind

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of sets up again that she's on this no pun

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intended different wavelength than everybody else, and that's gonna play

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into the rest of the story.

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Speaker 1: She's inside the ship and she's got her headphones on,

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and she's like, am I the only one who can

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hear this? This the humming noise? Again? Right before the

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fish attacked, I heard a humming noise in my headset

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and the sonic analyzer picked up a spike. Nobody will

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listen to me, but you know this is weird, right,

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to what she's saying apart from Commissioner Gordon, and least

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of all is the commander of the ship. But the

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commander says, you two and your music talk ridiculous. Commissioner

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Gordon says, James, fish just don't randomly attack. What if

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those pulses are related to the mutations and behavior changes,

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we should at least investigate. And the commander says, Andy,

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what about other life forms. So now we're faced with

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this dilemma. The commander just wants to blow it up.

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thinks it's too dangerous, whereas Sorenson says, destroy you. But

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this could represent a huge leap forward in science. My

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instruments detected waves and frequencies never had before. Andy, don't

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you want to know why this happened? So it's it's

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this old thing of you know, do we go with

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the risk to advance science or is this thing just

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too dangerous overall? I don't know. Maybe it feels a

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bit more out of limits to me at the moment

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than Twilight Zone, But I don't think it's too far

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out there that we can't say it's twilight zone.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good call. I mean, especially where

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we end up ultimately, and maybe a little more our

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limits than than twilight Zone. That's probably why we're saying

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that now. But still feels like you're going to contain environment.

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you know, different motivations and stuff. So like I was

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really buying what they what they were putting down with

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them with this because you actually understand why they would

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want to destroy this, I think because the general guy

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at the beginning tells the captain, He's like, hey, if

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it's a problem, you got to get rid of it.

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And of course you would, because it's a mysterious object

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from out her space. It's putting. So you see, they're

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not just blown up for the sake of it. I mean,

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I don't know, like I didn't think so there is

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just cause because they've already mutated these fish, what are

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they going to do to people like I don't know? Right?

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And then you have this sympathetic scientist who, you know, what,

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if only maybe the other crew would hurt her out,

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they would come to some kind of understanding and and

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and work together. But because they've shut her out and

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written her off, she is going to respond to the

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one thing that is speaking to her and then and

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then and then she's speaking to it, so that that's

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where her allegiances are going to end up lying.

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Speaker 1: At the end, you kind of nailed the issue for

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me in a way that I probably hadn't got my

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head around just yet. But that's the thing with some

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of these issues, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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I think the stuff to think about and really figure

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out what it means to you now. Sometimes like maybe

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with the last issue it was like, I'm not sure

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we can't figure this out. Yeah, But with this one,

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I think you hit the nail on the head that

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I kind of got that that's what it was getting at.

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But you've really crystallized it, crystallized it quite well that

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she's the only one who can hear this noise they're

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not listening to. Maybe, yes, if they'd have had that

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discussion where they talked about it, then there could have

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been something that would have satisfied everyone and they could

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have figured something out, but they don't. So in the end,

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Sorenson just says, right, well, if you're not going to

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listen to me, then I'm out of here. She leaves

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all of them at the bottom of the ocean because

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they're out there and they're diving suits. Now she drives

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the sub and the media kind of it is the

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Metea right, kind of grows arms and latches onto the

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ship as she's getting away.

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Speaker 2: There is a line earlier where before the cre even

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goes out there, she's like, you guys are gonna like

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run any tests. We don't even know if this isn't meteor,

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and the captain says, what else could it be? And

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that's when I'm like, oh, it's not gonna be me Like, like,

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I like how they sprinkled that in there, but I

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was like, there is gonna be some sort of twist

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about what it is. And it seems to be some

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sort of just you know, organism from outer space. And

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then it had just been kind of in its shell

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or whatever, and then it latches onto the the ship

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because she's like, we can learn so much from you,

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come with me. Because she leaves these guys to die

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with these mutated sharks. All it is. Actually I quite

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like that little sequence, just the way it was, the panels,

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how they were all laid out, because you can kind

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of see your mind's eye, you can see how this

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would be like in an episode. You'd see like the

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cuts to her and the and her eyes and then

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them dying outside. And I don't know, like it was.

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It was pretty dark, but like a in a good way.

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It had I get no pun intended. It had some

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bite to it, right, I mean with it she just

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left these guys to die underwater. I mean, so that's

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pretty horrible. And yeah, look, I mean they should have

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listened to her, Yes, but then they all deserve to

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be horribly killed by mutated sharks. I don't think so.

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And now we have this unknown alien entity that she

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is taking back to the base with the submarine.

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Speaker 1: And when she gets back to the base, you got

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some military men watching the submarine surface and one of

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them says, Captain, it's been five hours since they last

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make contact. Take a lieutenant Jeremy and go on board first.

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So they end up having to force the door open.

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And when they get on there, they see Sorenson from behind.

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Speaker 2: It it's very it's very psycho, right, it's like a

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very psycho Yeah, it's dark as a chair that's turned

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away from you. You're gonna turn that chair around. And

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what do we see, Tom?

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Speaker 1: It's a version of Sorenson that is horribly mutated. You know.

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We can hear that kind of noise in the background,

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and she makes this sort of guttural noise as well.

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The military man says, get medical in here, stat lieutenant,

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get a move on, and he says, what is the

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meaning of this? I command you to put away your weapon,

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and then he says, I can't let you hit or

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so it suggests that he too has been kind of

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taken over by whatever it is now in control of Sorenson.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I also was not entirely clear Tom. It's just funny,

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like I'm like, okay, I can't wait to get on

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here with Tom. And I'm sure between the two of us,

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one of us knows what happened. No, we get on here,

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like I don't know what happened? Do you know what happened? No,

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this is probably I enjoyed this quite a bit. I

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think my least favorite thing was the very end, because

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I'm not sure because like, she's mutated. Is that a

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good thing? Is that a bad thing? Like for her? Anyway? Right?

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Is this alien turning other people into aliens like her?

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Is she suffering a horrible fate because she bet on

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the wrong team here? I don't know. And then we

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just kind of That's the thing with all of these

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other than I guess the third one, they all have

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these endings where it's like, oh, there should be one

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more act of story here. I mean, there'sn't have to be,

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but everything ends on some kind of like weird unresolved cliffhanger.

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh, yeah, it's it's kind of like they're

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not quite twists. They're sainly unusual, but it's not a

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twist where you go, oh, okay, that right, Okay. It's

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just more shock endings than twist endings in a way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a scary short story where it's like,

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and then he turned around and he was in the

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car the whole time, and it's like, well, I guess

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the person in the back seat's gonna kill the narrator,

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you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's how these end.

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And I know, like I don't dislike, I don't know.

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I really enjoyed the issue for the most part, but

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the end I was like lefting kind of like, oh, so,

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are we to assume this alien is now going to

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just keep transmitting this and take over.

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Speaker 1: The earth, possibly like the squid innate? Yes, yes, yes,

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I mean, let's see whether we can get any clues

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from the closing narration. And so, in the mysterious twilight

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of the Ocean's depths, Dr Emily Sorenson, longing to be heard,

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was heralded by the song of a meteorite. In its

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wake came the echo of monsters born not in space,

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nor in the deep, but from the restless tides of

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the human mind. What he doesn't even say the Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well it does say in the mysterious Twilight tom

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So maybe they didn't want to say twilight Zone. Nothing

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is worse than that line and episode listened to me

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and that line and issue too were some got a

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Twilight Zone. Yeah, so if I had to choose in

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if it's either that or not saying it, let's just

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not say it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure I have discovered all of

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the mysteries that this issue has to offer. However, and

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this is probably no surprise from the conversation we've had.

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I think in a lot of ways it nails the

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Twilight Zone, probably more than the others, at least aesthetically. Yes, yes,

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it has a theme of if you have an expert there,

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who know, who is the top of her field, and

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she's telling you something, then maybe you should listen to her.

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But I think, you know, there's a lot of conversation

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in this It was a little dry sometimes, but it

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certainly seemed twilight Zone in the volume of conversation. They

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talk things out quite a lot, So yeah, you know,

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it might have ended up a bit more out of

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limits than Twilight Zone. But I think I did enjoy

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this one quite a bit. If there was like ten

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issues with this art work as the regular artwork, you'll

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probably be quite happy with it as a Twilight Zone comic,

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wouldn't you. Yeah, So I think this one, you know,

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nailed things pretty well. What about you?

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Speaker 2: I agree than again that the very end stinger, we're

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both like, uh, what does it mean? Because it's like

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from the human mind. I was like, well, there actually

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was an alien there that controlled their minds and be

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dated them. So it's not some like they didn't play

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it where like she just went crazy. That's another angle

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you could have taken, I guess, but like they like

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projected her like own like insecurities and to this nothing

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and then so that that would be an interesting thing

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to do, if that would be more in line I

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guess with what the narration is trying to say. I

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think in the end, because it didn't quite put the

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bow on it that we were looking for. Because that's

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again that's I want Rod Stilling to hold my hand

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and take me out of this situation and tell me

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what I should have learned that it's okay, you're safe.

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They're not, but you're safe, that sort of thing. I

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really enjoyed it, though. I think you nailed it where

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you said if if they came out with Toilight Zone

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did issues and they all looked like this and le

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don't have the same vibe as this, Uh, I think

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we'd all be very happy because I enjoyed this journey.

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And it's that that that subtlety that we that was

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lacking an issue four with, like, look at this guy.

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He's a bad dude. He's he's listening to podcasts and

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his basement is alphabro. Right, It's like, okay, well, I

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know who the quote unquote hero and villain are of

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this story. This one is very listen. There's a lot

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of nuance here because obviously the people who weren't listening

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to her and had wronged her in that way were right,

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because this alien asteroid is now taking over and mutating people,

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so maybe we should have destroyed it. So I don't

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know that there's there's conversation to be had here, And

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like you were saying earlier, like you want to.

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Speaker 1: That's a actually we shouldn't. We actually shouldn't have listened to.

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Speaker 2: It, But the fact that we're sitting here like talking

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about it is interesting as opposed to like issue four,

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we're like, I don't know what even happened. But then,

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you know, not even any of these toilets and stories

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I'm thinking about, but like other more simple stories where

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it's like, oh, well, here's the good guy and here's

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the bad guy, and the good guy if they do

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the bad guy in the most boring way possible in

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the story, we don't want stories like that. So the

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fact that there's stuff here we can kind of reread

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and delve into and kind of unpack is it makes

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it worth our time. Really.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm going to redo my rankings based on

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this latest issue. You know, whether we can carry on

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with that going forward, we'll see depends how many issues they.

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Speaker 2: Do breaking out the carkboards and at that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now it's it's probably a little bit of

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a battle for the top spot. I'm still going to

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go with number three because I just really like that

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idea of something from one time period being misinterpreted in

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another time period, and the whole thing of how humans

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latch onto certain things, as you know, they take it

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as their gospel when they don't truly understand it or

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know it, or humanity just needs something to grab onto.

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I like all those themes in that issue number two.

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I would go with this one because I still feel

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like maybe there's some things that I have to discovering this.

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I think another couple of reads, maybe some of that

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stuff will bed in. But like we spoke about it,

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it has the most twilight zoned vibe of them all,

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certainly aesthetically, and there's a you know, an interesting message

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here as well. So that one I would go second,

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and number three I would go issue number one blanks,

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and then number four I would go the previous issue,

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issue number four, the one with the hole in the

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bottom of the boat. And then last I would go

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issue number two. Okay, So where would this one fit

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in your ranking, Zach? I?

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Speaker 2: Again similar to you, I would rank them issue number three,

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issue number five. This one here, issue number one, issue

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number two, issue number four. So I'm glad we have

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some slight variation here, Tom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've just put this one in the same place,

488
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plugged in into that second place spot. Yeah, okay, good, Well,

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I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next. You know,

490
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this is the thing about Like you mentioned in the

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last episode, this is the thing about anthologies, especially when

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there's a new creative team with each issue. You just

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don't know what you're going to get. So even if

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one doesn't quite work for you, the next one might. Yeah,

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and that's what has happened this time, So Zach, I

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don't know when the next one will be, you know,

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but I'm sure we will get back onto these at

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some point in the future.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom, I did little research in between okay, our

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last episode in this episode, and I found an article

501
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from sci Fi Wire explaining what's up with the Twilid

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Zone comic books. Let me read a little excerpt for you.

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Speaker 1: Hot off the Press, Got off the.

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Speaker 2: Press, Hot Off the Press from this is how up

505
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to date we are. January fifteenth, twenty twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: IDW extends Twilight Zone stay with more comics inspired by

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Rod Sterling's anthology. IDW isn't ready to leave the Fifth

509
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Dimension behind us yet. Sci Fi Wire can exclusively announce

510
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that the publisher will continue the success of its Twilight

511
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Zone hot streak with a Soft Moore volume of five

512
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more standalone comics inspired by rod Sterlings groundbreaking anthology. So

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this was volume one. They're going to do a volume two.

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A couple of quotes from the people behind the comic.

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We're thrilled that readers are loving this mind bending anthology

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as much as we are. Series co editor Ellen Boner

517
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said in a January fifteenth statement. Our next stories promised

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to lure us even deeper into the dark moral labyrinth

519
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of the Twilight Zone. Here's hoping we never escape and

520
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then last thing I'll read is added fellow co editor

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Nicholas Nino. The Twilight Zone has been such a special

522
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project because it's celebrates the creators that are part of it.

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Each story is a product of its creative team, with

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everybody infusing so much of their own DNA into their stories.

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It's a dream to work on this series, and when

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readers see the array of talent contributing to the second volume,

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they'll come to feel as Ellen and I do, that

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their favorite issue is always the latest one.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, there you go. I actually really

530
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like that. It means that I guess it must be

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doing okay sales wise, they'll let and creators kind of

532
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do their own thing, and maybe it's us who should

533
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,920
be a bit more forgiving if it doesn't always fit

534
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,799
the mold one hundred percent all the time. You know,

535
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it's it's always a balance. Nothing's ever going to work

536
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,039
all the time for everybody. But I think I have

537
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a lot of good will towards this series, and I

538
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hope if this next five are of success, then they

539
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keep going. You know, I think we can only win

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off that.

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Speaker 2: I think that volume by volume approach is really smart,

542
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especially for some something like this. You know, it's a

543
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niche thing, right, It's not quite Superman or Star Wars

544
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or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we were very passionate, loyal, intelligent audience

547
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over the Twilight Zone, but it just doesn't have as

548
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much mainstream appeal as something like a Marvel comic book

549
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would have. And that's just the reality of it. So

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they're smart to like I would hate for them to

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all Right, we're doing as they have done in the past,

552
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as we've said many times on here, all right, new

553
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,519
Twad's on comic and then like seven issues in it

554
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just disappears and you're like, what happened? You're like, oh,

555
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they cancel it, but they do, Hey, volume one, Volume two,

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Volume two goes, well, maybe it'll be a volume three.

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I mean I don't know so to kind of know

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what to expect. I mean I as and also as

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people podcasting about it, we know how to plan ahead

560
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and there's a comfort in that. So I think that's

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a really smart approach on their front.

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Speaker 1: Here's a thing I reached out to IDWL on didn't

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get a response, But the door is always open if

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you want to come and talk, if you know the

565
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producer or whatever the comic books want to come and

566
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talk about them. Give's a bit of insight into how

567
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this is made then, and you know, please do come on.

568
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But anyway, Zach love talking about these with you. Thank

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you so much for coming on again. And let us

570
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know where people can find you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me and my podcast always hold

572
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on to Smallville on social media at always Malville. With

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00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,119
one s, I'm going to go back to my comic

574
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,759
book Slash Live Action World myself with Smallville. We have

575
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covered each in every episode of the Smallville television series.

576
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So if you're interested in Smallville, you've heard about it,

577
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you want to check me out over there, find your

578
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,960
favorite episode and start from there. And we also have

579
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,440
all kinds of Superman specials and talks, and Smallville has

580
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,200
its own comic books and novels too, which I'm going

581
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to get to at some point here. And it's a

582
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,160
very different speed covering the written word and comic books

583
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than it is covering an episode of a TV show,

584
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as we have been learning here. Tom. So yeah, look

585
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,480
us up over there at Always Malville with one s.

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Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely, and if you want to meet me

587
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,039
and Zach, you can come to Sailing Fest this August

588
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and bring to New York, come and hang out, have

589
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,920
a drink, talk some twilight Zone talk, some Smallville, and

590
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
we would we would love to see you there. So

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thanks again, Zach, I'll speak to you next time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: We will speak to you next time on the twilight

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Zone podcast. Bye for now,