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<v Speaker 1>Third hour, it's going so quickly. Well, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>just jump right into this because, as many know, there

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<v Speaker 1>were several i'll just say extreme bills that came out

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<v Speaker 1>of the legislature this year. One of them that got

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of attention was thirteen twelve, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a town hall about that.

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<v Speaker 2>The head over one hundred thousand views.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the bill that changes the Colorado Anti Discrimination Acts,

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<v Speaker 1>calling misgendering dead naming things like that discrimination. The portion

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<v Speaker 1>that would have taken custody away from parents of a

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<v Speaker 1>child if they did not agree with the transitioning was

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<v Speaker 1>taken out for now, but it's still fundamentally infringes on

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of speech. And my next guest is at the

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<v Speaker 1>forefront of a lawsuit challenges challenging this. She was also

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<v Speaker 1>at that town hall, and that is Jennifer Say. She's

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<v Speaker 1>an author, business executive, retired national champion gymnast and the

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<v Speaker 1>founder and executive of Xxxy Clothing Company, of which I

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<v Speaker 1>have many pieces of apparel, along with Suzanne Beecher, who

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<v Speaker 1>is with Alliance depending Freedom. Ladies, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having for having us.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Well, Jennifer, you and I've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell us a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit about the reason for your company to start with,

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<v Speaker 1>and then how that intersects with thirteen twelve and this

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<v Speaker 1>change to the Color Anti Discrimination Act.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we started the brand about a year ago, just

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<v Speaker 4>a little a year and two months ago, and we're

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<v Speaker 4>really the only athletic brand that I think is truly

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<v Speaker 4>empowering female athletes and fighting to protect women's sports. This

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<v Speaker 4>is obviously an issue in the public eye right now.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk a lot about it as a brand. We

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<v Speaker 4>talk about all the instances of boys and men winning

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<v Speaker 4>in women's sports, and I feel very strongly we use

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<v Speaker 4>accurate language in doing so. You know, we don't use

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<v Speaker 4>quote unquote preferred pronouns. We say he when it's a

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<v Speaker 4>male winning girls track and field medals, we call a

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<v Speaker 4>b Hernandez, the California track athlete who won two goals

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<v Speaker 4>in their state championship league call him he. And this

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<v Speaker 4>is in you know, this is indirect violation of the bill,

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<v Speaker 4>which would consider that to be a discriminatory language. I

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<v Speaker 4>feel that it's truthful language, and it's really important otherwise

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<v Speaker 4>the issue gets the rate. If I can't call a

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<v Speaker 4>b hernandez a he, and I refer to him as

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<v Speaker 4>a she, then there's no issue with him competing in

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<v Speaker 4>women's sports. So yeah, I mean, I just that's been

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<v Speaker 4>a problem all along, is these insitious ideas have been

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<v Speaker 4>has infiltrated our language, and that is why we are

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<v Speaker 4>where we are. And so I'm just sort of very

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<v Speaker 4>firmly on the side of using truthful, accurate language, and

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<v Speaker 4>the still wides in the face of that, And so

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like it was very important for us to

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<v Speaker 4>push back and for free speech for Colorado's and for

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<v Speaker 4>all Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you pointed out how crazy this gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be when you cannot actually speak freely, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>this thirteen twelve still has a remainder in it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a violating free speech. To your point, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, boys in girls sports and in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>that would now be called discrimination. We would have to

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm against girls in girls sports.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so stupid. I mean, you know, we.

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<v Speaker 4>Were permanently banned from TikTok last June for something similar

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<v Speaker 4>an ad. In an ad that we launched with last March,

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<v Speaker 4>we say, if you think it isn't fair, or safe

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<v Speaker 4>for boys to compete in girls sports.

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<v Speaker 3>And TikTok decided that that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was hate speech and that it was discriminatory, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>been permanently banned from advertising. I answer our account manager

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<v Speaker 4>when we were going back and forth on it, what

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<v Speaker 4>would you have me say if you think it didn't

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<v Speaker 4>bear or safe for girls to compete in girl sports.

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<v Speaker 3>No one disagrees with that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's ludicrous. It erases the issue entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't do it right.

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<v Speaker 4>The firm on the language so we can actually have

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<v Speaker 4>the necessary conversation that needs to be had to protect

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<v Speaker 4>girl sports well.

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<v Speaker 1>And particularly because Title nine in the very first place

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<v Speaker 1>was to create an even playing field for girls to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to compete, not against boys in their own field.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is pretty inane anyone that's listening, This is

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<v Speaker 1>not hate speech. I love what you know it said.

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<v Speaker 1>Biology is not bigotry. It's not hate speech. To say

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<v Speaker 1>we stand against boys, you know, playing in girls' sports

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<v Speaker 1>and not being forced to say we're against girls in

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<v Speaker 1>girls' sports. That's nonsensical, to say the least. Susanne Aliance

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<v Speaker 1>Defending Freedom has taken stands once time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like I know at least two cases obviously against.

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<v Speaker 2>The Colorado Civil Rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Commission, And now this is a change to the Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>Anti Discrimination Act basically mandating force speech whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you believe in it.

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<v Speaker 2>How is this different? Discrimination previously was always considered to

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<v Speaker 2>be an action, not speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you address that that point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So this is like you're saying, this is an

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<v Speaker 3>anti discrimination amendment, that's really a censorship of speech. So

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<v Speaker 3>they're couching it as an anti discrimination law, but really

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening here is censorship of speech and compelled speech. So,

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<v Speaker 3>like Jennifer saying, the mission of their company is to

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<v Speaker 3>speak the truth and to advocate for women's force, and

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to do that, they need to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to use biologically accurate language. But Colorado is trying

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<v Speaker 3>to force XXXY and businesses like them to instead speak

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado message rather than the message that is consistent with

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<v Speaker 3>their mission. You know that sex is binary, biological, and immutable,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a clear First Amendment violation, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>silencing one side of the debate on the gender issue,

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<v Speaker 3>which is at the heart of society. And so that's

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<v Speaker 3>really harmful discipil society when you're when Colorado is passing

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<v Speaker 3>laws like this that are silencing issues that are important

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<v Speaker 3>to public discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think what's interesting is it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those laws that I don't see a reason for it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's already protection for adults to live their lives the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they want for, you know, and once again,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're standing for, Jennifer.

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<v Speaker 2>Does not stop an adult human.

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<v Speaker 1>Being from you know, identifying however they want to, dressing

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<v Speaker 1>however they want to live in their lives however they

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<v Speaker 1>want to. We're talking about free speech here. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting is obviously this had such huge

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<v Speaker 1>national attention because of the custody meant, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>just as egregious. What would happen to your business if

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<v Speaker 1>this is allowed to stand?

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<v Speaker 4>Or you per se, well, we're in violations the bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Every single day, every ad we put out, we use

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<v Speaker 4>accurate biological descriptors and pronouns. When I do appearances like

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<v Speaker 4>this one or you know, other national appearances, I always

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<v Speaker 4>use correct, accurate language to describe the issue. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, Susan, what will happen to me? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it would make us, it would sort of obliterate the

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<v Speaker 4>mission of our business. It would make us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>unable to speak the truth and be out here defending

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<v Speaker 4>women's sports, which from a business perspective is what also

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<v Speaker 4>makes us unique, and it's why people are leaning in

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<v Speaker 4>to support this brand. You know, whenever we do customer surveys,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they tell us. You're taking us stand to

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<v Speaker 4>protect women's sports. You're taking a stand for women and girls,

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<v Speaker 4>You're taking a stand for truth, and so it really

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<v Speaker 4>it makes it nearly impossible, Yeah, do business, at least

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<v Speaker 4>in our current state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I love that you have said that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to stand and fight for Colorado. I am too,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my home. I believe that we can turn these

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<v Speaker 1>things around. And I find it interesting because the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans, whether they're Republican or Democrat, left or right,

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<v Speaker 1>agree that girls' sports should only be for girls. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to use this language now that boys should not

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to compete against girls.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen dreams, hard work, titles, motivation, even safety at

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<v Speaker 1>times taken away from these young women who have given

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<v Speaker 1>so much time for these sports. Where we have a

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<v Speaker 1>short period here before we go Suzanne.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the status of the case of your lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>We recently file the complaint in the lawsuit, and we

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<v Speaker 3>are planning to request preliminary relief, which would block the

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement of the law against against XXXY while the court

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<v Speaker 3>is deciding the issue, so while the lawsuit is pending.

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<v Speaker 3>But you never don't really know on the timeline for lawsuits,

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<v Speaker 3>so we hope that a decision on that will be happening, well,

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<v Speaker 3>happen quickly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Well, when we come back, I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 1>some of the comments and talk about that. But Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 1>You've never been one who has been afraid to stand up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate your continue to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to let you know I did wear my.

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<v Speaker 1>Xx XY baseball cap all over DC last week when

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in a suit. So thanks for the stand

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for taking this fight not just for people who

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you, but for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point.

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<v Speaker 3>It is for everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, it's for everyone. Yeah, to America, we still have

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<v Speaker 4>free speech. We're supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, thank you ladies for joining us. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, when we come back, I'm going to read some

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<v Speaker 1>of these comments five six six nine zero want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from you, and when we come back, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that and a lot of other things. As we

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<v Speaker 1>wind up this first hour, this last hour taper, Flora

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<v Speaker 1>is hitting in for Mandy Connell.