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Speaker 1: The internet complaints people went to and pro feared about

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their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar dripwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and space.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back, everybody. And on this episode of Into

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the Pray, I have a returning guest back on with me,

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and that is D. And he was on episode four

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ninety I titled that it Can't Be People, and that

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was the title of what was I say, just, But

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it's not just. It's a whole lot of work. It

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was a sub stack, right D. And now, as I

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knew back then, I kind of said, was it going

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to be a book? He said, yes, I'm working to

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compile a whole lot of information. Books are a lot

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of work. It is finally now going to be a

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book that is scheduled I believe mid August, August fifteenth,

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and that is I assume still going to be titled

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It Can't Be People, with the subtitled Voices from the

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Inner Circle. And I wanted to open with basically the

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same way I did last time, because I re listened

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to our first episode because partially because I want to

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know what we had already covered. It can be hard

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to remember what we've already covered. Obviously some of your

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own experiences, which I think should be brought up again,

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at least at a cursory way. But I wanted to

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open in the same way that I was when you

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initially got in touch the very first time. It was

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about crop circles, right, That's what this is about, is

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crop circle making, but not in the way that you

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would assume. I just thought it was, Oh, let's talk

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about craft and aliens coming down and making crop circles

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and why that is, and the usual conversation around crop circles.

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But that's not what it was. So this is about

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crop circles, but as I say, not in the way

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that everybody thinks of them. It addresses supernatural and high

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strange events reported by human crop circle makers before, during,

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and after the process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it perfect.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to you. It's so good to have

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you back. Congratulations on the what will be a hefty book.

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I have no doubt it took you many many hours

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to compile everything, because I know that once you got

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into this and you said it on the last episode.

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You wanted to give this whole thing a try, and

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if it was bollocks, as you guys like to say

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on that side of things, then you are just gonna

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dismiss it. You're gonna move on whatever it wasn't because

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some things happened and it got you so interested that

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now here we are, you are releasing a full book

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on this. What is a phenomenon? Because it's not just

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people going out with boards and then you get to

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look on the news or in the paper the next

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day and see what people are saying about it. There's

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some really weird stuff that goes on around these projects,

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should we call them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's exactly right. I mean,

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I went into the subjects. My background is uthology, studied uthologies.

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You know, I've had this inherent interest in the paranormal

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since I was a child. When I saw close encounters

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as I was about eleven, and I blew my head off.

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It's hard to explain, but when I saw close encounters,

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it looked like more of a remembrance of something. It

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was something that was already there. It's hard to explain.

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So I had this deeply deep rooted interest in the paranormal.

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And back in those glorious days is you probably remember Shannon,

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before the Internet, it was great, you know, there was

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no squabbling. All we had was like the UFO. We

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had the UFO yearbooks, and we had flying sorcer, we

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had the mood from ripport thoughts. But they started to

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print pictures of crop circles. So I got into drop

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circles through euthology, and they just looked like literally, they

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looked like crop. They looked like craft that had landed.

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As you probably remember, they were single circles. They looked

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like birth flying saucers. Sometimes there were like four little

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satellite circles around the edges, so it looked like it

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was like landing gear from like the B move from

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like the B movies, like The Day of the Earth

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that steal and you thought, what's that, you know, and

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they just looked like landed craft. But then in nineteen

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ninety we started to see the led Zeppelin cover that

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that was the big one from Morton Barnes in the Eastfield,

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and it was like sort of corridors and forks and

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door keys, you know, And at that point, you know,

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people should have looked at it and gone, well, no,

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UFO looks like that, you know, you know, and at

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that point we should have did We should have completely

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devoid forced crop circles from the flying sourcer landed you know,

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the scenario. But unfortunately it was so ingrained. Pardon the

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punk within the public consciouscens might by then, but people said, oh, no, okay,

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this isn't landed UFOs anymore. This is messages from our

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space brothers. It's a really clunky, a really clunky transformation

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that most of the researchers really do some kind of

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like brush over. I didn't realize how close Wiltchi was

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to where I lived in London, and then when I

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did realize, I thought, well, I'm going to go and

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see some of these things. And we had this resource

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called the Crop Circle Connector, and it showed you all

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the circles were and it was like it was plotting

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the points as the circles landed, they showed you where

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they were. And in those days, because I believed that

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they were et or time travelers or geia, you know,

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if there were like ten circles to see, but you

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knew that, you knew that two were man made. As

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a believer. You just wouldn't go to those two you're

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not interested. But I started to hear stories from people,

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normally third hand stories from people that are recording, you know,

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all of this weird stuff that was happening to them

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while they were making them. And that's where I became

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really really sort of them, because I was very disdainful

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of the crop circle hoaxes. I thought, you know, it

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was like, it's like what we were saying before, It's

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like Bigfoot and Nessy and ghost footage. The mystery is

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deep enough without without you know, fake fake hoaxters and

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fake people coming through. You know. I always say the

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analogy is like the Magician with the cups. The mystery

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is deep enough, You've got the magician and the cups

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and the ball, but you don't want them, and then

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some idiot comes and adds another ten cups. You know.

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So I was really disdainful of the supposed crop circle

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hoaxters until I realized that they were getting a lot

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of dream driven events of strange things were happening to them, Like,

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for one example, one thing I've got in the book

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here is that this guy had this dream to he

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had he had a circle in his dream. He woke

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up the next morning and he thought, I don't think

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that's ever been done before. And he got his his

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his helix protractor set and his compass compass out and

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he drew it and thought, yeah, I reckon I could

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do that. So he phoned up his friend and said, look,

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I've got this really nifty idea for a circle that

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I dreamt. It's probably too complicated for me to tee

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the mythology over the phone. Can I come around your

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house now and I'll show you it and if if

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you like it, we can do it. And he went, yeah, sure.

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And on the trip to his house, which is about

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three miles, this circle was in a field to his

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left hand side. He said, he drove past this field

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that he had and he had this like internal vocalization

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to look over at this field, and he said, I

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had no reason to because it was part of my

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commute and I'd looked at it a thousand times, but

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something kind of made me look and there was that

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exact crop circle that I was going to make, and

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I saw it drive into my friend's house, so the

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journey was degated. So that's the sort of thing that

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I got really interested in you.

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Speaker 2: Know, so in that particular case, d did he go

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out into the field and try to confirm if it

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was other crop circle makers or you know, how is

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it or is it broken down sometimes to where you go, well,

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that may have been the quote unquote space brothers coming

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down and doing something where you can't confirm at the

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very least that it was one hundred percent people.

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Speaker 3: I think with the with those initial circles from the eighties,

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the thing that birthed the whole thing they were their

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press attent was the was the nineteen seventies Tully nests,

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which were like these flattened circles in grass which were

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found in Australia and they've actually never been explained, okay,

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and they were the impetus for Doug and Dave to

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start doing basic circles over here. So and we get

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situations now where a circle was made and then you

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go back the next day and there's an addition to it,

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and it's normally a single circles. If the addition is

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like arguably paranormal, it's normally something that's really simple, okay.

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So what happens sometimes is that you'll have a diagram

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and people will say well, I think we should do

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this and then and then they get outvoted by the

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rest of the team. And then when they and then

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when the circle is actually planted, that extra bit is

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actually from the Actually the extra bit from the diagram

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is actually there, and it's normally a single circle. But

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in answer to your question, I think this circle maker

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was so long in the tooth, but he wouldn't have

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had to stop the car because but by that time

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he hit his mindset would have been that they are

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all made by people, so he wouldn't have actually, But

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when it comes to the Space Brothers thing, it's more

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even now we get single circles that we can't explain,

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but you don't tend to see them, reported Shannon, because unfortunately,

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in this day and age, everyone wants everyone wants bling,

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They want the complicated, flashy stuff, they want the glitzy stuff.

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reported now because they're not interesting to people because they're

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not pretty. You know.

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Speaker 2: So the last time we talked, it sounded like it

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was happening in a specific area. Is that still the

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case now?

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, because obviously it's a year since

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I spoke to you, so out of interest, I spoke

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to like Italian makers and French and French makers because

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I wanted to see if they had any of these

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strange stories for me, and none of them did. So

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I originally went to the erroneous conclusion that it must

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be just wheelchair and it just must be need must

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be just neolithic ancient sites in Wiltshire. But then I

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started to speak to more circle makers and we were

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ascertaining that it was happening at other sites. But the

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key correlation was those sites also had Neolithic and ancient

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sites within them. You know. So when I spoke to

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you last year, I was a bit wrong because our

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Wilchi Wilchi Wilchi is all abri or Stonehenge. But I've

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interviewed people since and where they've been, where they've been

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out of the area. I initially thought, oh God, my

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research has been wrong. But then we've ascertained that there's

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there's been a particular site or a barrow, or there's

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been something neolithic within the area that they've made, so

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, if if that's where it's centered around that

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the things that make you go hmmm, right, well that

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can't be just nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think that the key takeaway is that

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I believe that because I live in one of these areas.

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I live right right on this, right on the doorstep

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of one of these big Neolithic sites. Whenever I go

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to these sites and I'm just going back for like

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Avery to see a friends in Avery. When you go

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to these sites, you get this overwhelming sort of feeling

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of if you're if you're a spiritual person, you get

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an overwhelming feeling of like, oh god, I realize it

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all now. As soon as you go to the site

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and think, oh, okay, this all makes sense now, I

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totally get it. This has been in plain sight all

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the time. And then your friend says, well can you explain,

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and go, yeah, it's really easy, it's and then it's gone.

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It seems to be that there's that when you visit

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the sites, there's a kind of remembrance, like you're tapping

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into like the knowledge of what our ancestors used to have,

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but we haven't got it anymore because it's been kicked

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out of us in this like technocratic age, you know,

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or it's been suppressed in us. But you do get

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an overwhelming feeling of oh yeah, this all makes sense now,

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Speaker 2: It just goes so so far you haven't been able

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to confirm that any of this has been going on

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outside of the UK.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, it does happen, of course, of course, because

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is people will come here and they go, Okay, well

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I've got fields in France over there, you know, and

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they tend to be the same sort of designs that

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are found over here.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so then what what's going on? Because and

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we haven't really even touched on this yet because people

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a probably going, well, what's weird about it? Besides the

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you know, the dream and all that. We covered that,

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But there's lights, there's all kinds of synchronicities that go

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on with this stuff. So now that we're talking about France,

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is it the same kind of activity when they're doing theirs.

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Speaker 3: No, this is what I'm saying to you, that there's

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there's there's an Italian artist called franschspet Grassy and he

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makes them for art. I asked him as a friend.

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I said, listen, I don't care. You can be anonymous

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if you like. But if you've got anything weird for me,

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and he's made loads, he says nothing at all, nothing

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at all. Similarly with the with the other European artists,

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I don't get any strange stories at all. It just

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seems to be over here when they're close to like

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ancient Neolithic sites, that you get the weird stuff. But

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what you've got to remember is that in this area

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that I'm living in now, people have been seeing bulls

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of light for years before the group stir because it

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goes back. It's generational, you know. And as I think

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I said to you before, I mean what we now

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call ups and UFOs, they were calling nature spirits and

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sprites and warnings of the apocalypse, and you know, it

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was it was in their own religious framework of the time,

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you know. And it's as we advance then the phenomena

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kind of advances with us. And now we were reporting

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abductions by grays, whereas back in the the Middle Ages

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people are reporting abductions by fairies, the fairy people the

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way with the fairies. But we're arguing it's the same thing,

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you know, and it's an ancient phenomenon that's probably subsisted

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with us since our inception.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine part of it is just that the

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intention of going out and you're connected with the land

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and the things that are growing around there, and then

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they take notice that you've taken notice of the area,

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and I just suppose it's some kind of a subconscious,

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kind of an intention thing going on.

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Speaker 3: I covered this in the book because one of the

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one of my subjects called it, called them schiguls, And

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the point he made, which I thought was really good,

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he said, look, when people cast, if witches cast spells,

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no one questions the integrity of the spell just because

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it was cast by a human, you know. So if

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these patterns are siguals or or the implantation of them

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within these neolithic sites exacerbates and amplifies the energy of

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the area, it shouldn't really matter whether they're made by

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people or not. It's the effect that they have. But

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the dichotomy that we've got, unfortunately, is that if people

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aren't prepared to accept that humans are responsible for making circles,

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then the argument is that the magic may be dispelled

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from them, you know. And that's why when I said

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to at the start, if there were ten circles. Only

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two were man made. I wouldn't bother go into those two.

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We are in this state of flux where it takes people,

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it takes people to believe that it's not people making

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them for the magic to exist. It's that strange paradox.

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You understand what.

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Speaker 2: About And I realized that a lot of this is incredible.

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Sometimes synchronicities and things that seem to be an inconvenience

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or something in your way turns out to be a

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part of what makes it incredible in the end. But

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what if you went out and I don't think that

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we talked about this on four ninety is what if

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you went out and you speak of a sigil, and

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some sigils or symbols mean a very specific thing. It

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could be something good, could be something bad. Have you

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guys ever gone out and placed a specific meaning symbol

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out in a field, and whether you were drawn to

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do it or not, were there any repercussions or happenings

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around that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a circum make that I knew who

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was making stuff that was I wouldn't have made it

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myself like it at dark litations for me, and when

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I saw it in the field, afterwards, I went like yuck,

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you know, and it so yeah, because like I say

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in the book, it's magic, it's the intent behind it.

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It's who's wielding the ones that that that's the person

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that you've got to be concerned with, because it's it's

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whether the power is exercised with good intent or with

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bad you know, black or white literally literally literally that.

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And there were there there was a particular team that

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was going out and making circles that people just didn't

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like the look of it was. It looked it looked

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like it was tempting fate that they were really they

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looked not very harmonious. And I happen to know that

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they had bad luck afterwards, you know, certain engineering things.

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So the answer is, yes, I can't go into it,

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but yeah, the answer is definitely right and that and

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yes that they were repercussions to it. Yeah, And that's

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why I was always so careful what I placed when

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I when I was going out and as part of teams,

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I wanted to know what we were making beforehand, before

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I'd agreed to do it for that very reason. And

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sometimes you go Sometimes you go and make a circle

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in a particular place and then there'd be hindrances to

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get you to the place. There'd be roadblocks or something,

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or they'd be like, you know, something will happen in

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the car, or something external that you couldn't have planned happened.

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So you think, well, we're not going to go home.

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We'll just put it here. We'll just put it here

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instead because we're you know, this is this is easy,

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and then you stick it in this alternate in this

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alturnate field, and then you find out later because at

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the time you don't know this stuff, Shannon, it's always

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later when you'd look it up the internet and you

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get people's interpretations. Then we found out later that it

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had to go in that particular field because there was

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something relevant to that pattern which was absolutely relevant to

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where it was, and it wouldn't have been relevant to

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the place that we were going to instead, you know.

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So we do get this sense of this some kind

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of engineering. Sometimes, or you make a mistake and then

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you have to replicate the mistake to make it look

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as if it's intentional, and then it turns out that

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the mistake is the most significant part of the circle,

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and that's the part that everyone's looking at because it's

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relevant to the date it went in there, or it's

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relevant to the area, or it's relevant to that parish.

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So yeah, and those are things that we can't we

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can't predict that stuff. And then we look back and

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we go, why did we do it there? Or yeah,

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why did we do that? And then that's when you

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look back and then you think, well, is there is

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there some sort of hidden hand here. But one thing

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I said in the book when I genuinely don't know

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the answers to this, I don't know if this is

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the human like, I don't know if this is the

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collective consciousness talking to each other. You know where the

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guide drove past that field. I don't know if it

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is just us talking to each other subconsciously through means

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that we've forgotten that we used to have, or whether

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it's external and we are interacting with something external. That's

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the only part in the book where I've said I

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don't know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you say, sometimes it can be heavily

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relevant for the area, but sometimes it can be relevant

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to who will see it. And you wouldn't even have

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known that prior to the last time we spoke about

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As you say, there was I can't remember these specifics

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of it, but you meant to put it in one spot,

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you had to put it in another for whatever reason.

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And you guys didn't know this, but there was a

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couple on holiday, on vacation, and the guy had gone

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out from his airbnb or wherever he was, and he's like,

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what a beautiful field. Wouldn't it be great if there's

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a crop circle in that field? That was the field

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where you guys ended up putting the crop circle that

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you made, and that wasn't the original intended location.

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Speaker 3: And do you know the freakiest thing about that was

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was that we planned that circle about about three weeks

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before that guard come out, which is from Canada. So

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that's where we think. You think it's chronological, it's linear,

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and then you go, well, you know, but yeah, but

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we planned that three weeks before that guy had his

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discussion with his wife and that's when that's when your

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head starts to boil and you think, you know, we

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couldn't have planned that, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and sir, just before I lose this thought, d

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if I and I'm actually I was born in the UK,

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but don't I don't remember it. I came to the

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States when I was very very young air Force parents.

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But when I think of the UK, but obviously also

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because I'm into this stuff, when you think of the

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UK and strangeness, you think of crop circle. So was

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that guy in Canada, you know, leading up to his

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trip putting this whole crop circle to he was thinking

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of him and being like, Oh, we're going to stay

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here at this Airbnb. I wonder where was the closest

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crop circle to this airbit like maybe he was putting

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that out in the ether and you guys picked that

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right up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting because I've got a really silly

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story in this book. Okay, and got a long story short.

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This team we're going to go out and do like

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a band logo. It was a band that they all liked, Okay,

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but their logo had particular features in it. Okay, and

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certain Crop Circle team members sometimes they have like their

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bank seat signatures that they're really good at okay and

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like Okay, And sometimes other teams will borrow them because

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they say, we want the feathering effect. Can you come

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and help us with this? And anyway this team wants

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to do this band logo. They all had their specialist

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sort of areas, and they had a separate piece of

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paper each and they said, well, you do your but

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you do your bit, and they put them they put

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them all together and said, yeah, this we could do

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this logo because of our because of our individual skill sets.

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And then somebody says, well, you know, if you do that,

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you're going to be pretty stupid because you've been wearing

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that band's T shirts all season, you idiots, you know,

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so it's gonna be pretty easy to connect it to you.

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So they scrapped the idea. But then over the course

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of the next a week or so, there were four

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circles in that media area, and each of these circles

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had an element of that band logo in their circles.

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And obviously, I say in the book that there's no

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way that an omnipresent force has forced this group of

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people to think of doing a band logo. It's obviously,

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you know, their idea, but it seemed like the intent

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had floated. It was like in the ether and had

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been plucked down by the other makers, you know, unconsciously.

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And the bit, the bits that were grafted on, they

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they weren't they weren't essential to their own patterns, but

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they still looked okay, but we but that freaked them

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out because they said, well, that's that's my arch thing,

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and that's you know, and all its composite part was

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in a different circle over the next week or so,

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and they were really close to the era as well.

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So I think you're right. I think it's it's just

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the intent and the thing I said about the diagram before.

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There was this couple of teams and they were saying,

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I want I want that circle in there. I'm there,

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but no, but if you put that in there, that

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that's going to luck another circle and then they don't

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do it, and then that circle is added afterwards and

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it's not by the team, and like and then the

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team go, well, you know, I told you you're supposed

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to be there. I told you you're supposed to be there.

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Something's put it there, you know. And those tend to

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be like single circles. Those are dishes, nothing complicated. Of course.

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You know, people say, well, maybe a team's coming after you,

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but you know, if you've left to field at three

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in the morning, it's very unlikely that somebody is going

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to come in when it's getting light. And then and

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put an enormous single circle and add it to your circle.

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Is that That's the part of the mystery that I'm

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really into. It's it's the it's the late and subconscious

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element and the synchronouses and the dreams. Because last time

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I supposed to you, I was hopping on about the

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lights and a lot of the physical stuff that still

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interests me. But it's the fact that we've got all

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this engineering, and we've got all these mistakes that turn

476
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out and not to be mistakes, and placing it in

477
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:08,640
that site, and it's more important there. It's all the

478
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,400
stuff that we are oblivious to that then comes out

479
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,799
afterwards when the world sees it, you know, because like

480
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,920
we say, the Croup circle is ours until we leave

481
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,440
the field. The second we leave that field, it doesn't

482
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,079
belong to us. It's not ours anymore. It's the world's.

483
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:25,599
You know.

484
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,799
Speaker 2: How often do you guys go back after a circle

485
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,279
is done? And if you do, what's the weight period

486
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:40,680
to see if things are changed or added on, you

487
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:41,279
tend to leave.

488
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,759
Speaker 3: I mean, if you start at ten, you're normally out

489
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,599
by three. If it's a complicated one, I've been back.

490
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,920
I've been backing at nine you know, I haven't seen

491
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,400
any additions in mind, but when you go back and

492
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:04,319
it's full of people and you think, well, we did

493
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,599
that and it was only six hours ago, you know.

494
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,839
But we equally know that were we to tell anybody

495
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,559
in that field that we'd done it would be firstly,

496
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,559
would be shouted down as fantasists, and nobody would believe

497
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,400
us because the you know, the intent to believe is

498
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,160
so strong that it can't be people. But secondly, we don't.

499
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,319
We wouldn't really want to rain on anyone's parade, you know.

500
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:30,319
And the only reason why I'm actually doing this book

501
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,720
now if people are saying, well, you know, if you

502
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,759
want to retain the magic, why are you're doing it?

503
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,160
And the reason why I'm doing it is because the

504
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:43,680
current reality that's that's perpetuated by you know, the the

505
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,759
the people that write about this stuff, it's so away

506
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,759
from the actual reality that we're like saying that we're

507
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,880
the only voice that's not been heard. So we're just

508
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,960
giving you our perspective to say, look, the mystery is

509
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,599
just as deep even with people in there. You know.

510
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,359
It's if you insert people, we've still got synchronous this,

511
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,400
We've still got orbs, We've still got apparitions, it's all

512
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
still there. We've still got the batterage draining, We've still

513
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,960
got mobile phone signals draining. It's all there. I've been

514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,319
in circles that I've made or I've been involved with

515
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,440
the next day and people's phones are back in the nineties,

516
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,039
this was two thousands, and people's phones are draining, the

517
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,160
batteries are going, the cameras were going, and we're thinking, well,

518
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,960
this is mental because that was us last night. You know.

519
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,599
That tends to anticipate though, so if it's been there

520
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,839
for a few weeks that those kind of reactions to

521
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,599
like electric to electronics, that they tend to deplete. But

522
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:51,000
sometimes what happens is I'm a believer in the fact

523
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:57,680
that it's just the just just the the belief of

524
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:03,039
the visitors that they actually can enhance that charge as well,

525
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,400
because sometimes you go to a circle three weeks later

526
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
that's been really popular and like thousands of people have

527
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,880
been there and it still feels charged. If you see

528
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,599
what I mean, it still feels magical, you know. And

529
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,519
we think that's perhaps because of because of because of

530
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,599
the residue left by the visitors that have gone in

531
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,599
there that have had these great experiences. Because the other

532
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,559
thing is that people think because they've had a fantastic

533
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,839
expirits of a corupt circle, that means that it can't

534
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,079
have been made by people, you know, and that that's

535
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:35,119
something that I'm trying to get people away from. Really,

536
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:38,160
you know, it's it's it's it's what happens once it's

537
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,319
there rather than how it got there. That's important.

538
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 2: And see here we are talking about batteries draining and apparitions,

539
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,799
and you go, well, that's a haunted location. And the

540
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,519
fact that we are talking about that in the same

541
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:58,079
breath that we are talking about orbs, light craft and synchronicities,

542
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
it goes to show you that all of these subject

543
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,519
matters can be intertwined.

544
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely. What somebody on somebody left me a very complimentary

545
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,599
comment on one of your videos and he now follows

546
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,240
me on stuff sub second is very complimentary and he

547
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,599
says that this is probably the most realistic explanation for

548
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,119
crop circles, that that that that that's out there so

549
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,160
far in that we're dealing with the muse here, Shannon.

550
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,160
I mean, I know that you're a musician, you know,

551
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,400
and a lot of musicians are attracted to this because

552
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:38,000
sometimes you'll you'll think, okay, what what what shall I

553
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,319
put down in the field, and you're okay, well, I'll

554
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,759
just I'll just draw this until I think of something better.

555
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,880
And because your mind is kind of empty when you're

556
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,519
doing that, you look at it after as and you think,

557
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,000
what the hell? What the hell is that? And that's

558
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,359
the idea. It's like sometimes when songs come fully formed

559
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,759
to people, and when stories come fully formed, we think

560
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,599
that there is it's the muse. You know, that there's

561
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:05,599
something either latent within us, within our id or within

562
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,079
our ego, or there's something external that when we empty

563
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:11,519
our minds and say, right, what have you got for me?

564
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,319
That's when it jumps in. You know. There's examples of

565
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,519
like with some of the Beatles songs where McCartney's written

566
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:20,160
a lyric and he's gone, oh well, I'll just write

567
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,559
that bridging line until I think of something else, blah

568
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,960
blah blah, and then Leonard's gone, that's the best part

569
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,640
of the song because he's not thinking about it, you know.

570
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,039
And I think that's a really important part of this mystery.

571
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:37,079
Once even with people inside the whole mystery. Actually, I say,

572
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,759
at the end of the book, are we not from

573
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,279
an ego point of view, is humanity the mystery here

574
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,640
rather than the actual crop circles? Maybe we should be

575
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,359
looking not at the et arguing is saying, look, this

576
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640
strange stuff is happening here. Okay, could it be that

577
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640
it's something that we're more powerful than we think we

578
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,319
are as a species? You know that there's a dichotomy

579
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:02,599
that I I can't get round, And that is a

580
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,359
lot of a lot of the New Age, A lot

581
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,400
of the New Age people say to us, or say

582
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,680
to say to humanity, to say, look, we've been suppressed.

583
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,920
We're incredible creatures. We can do this. We are incredible.

584
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,079
We can do absolutely everything. Oh but we can't flatten corn.

585
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,960
You can't have that, you know, because we want that

586
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:21,839
to be aliens. You know, do you understand?

587
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you say it like that, you go,

588
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,839
oh yeah, you kind of get slapped down a little bit,

589
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,960
right with the thought that how, oh no, that's not

590
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,599
that's not people. It has to be aliens. But that said,

591
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,920
d do you think there are instances where it is

592
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,759
it where it isn't people.

593
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,359
Speaker 3: I think there's sin when you get those additions sometimes

594
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,759
and you look at it and the corn is it's

595
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,039
it doesn't look like it's been boarded. It's like quite high. Certainly,

596
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,599
some of those early circles from the eighties, there's no

597
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000
tram lines in the field. Sometimes the tram line is

598
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,759
the bit which which the tractors make work that they're

599
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,880
like our entry ports against the field. Okay, because people say, oh,

600
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,440
you know it can't be my made. There's there's no footprints.

601
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,640
That there's no footprints because we got we go in

602
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,880
the trail line. Then we'll take big steps into the crop. Okay,

603
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,680
So I understand what your question is. But I used

604
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,640
to believe that. I used to think, how this can't

605
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,680
be done. But as as I said, as a circle

606
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,279
maker said to me, and this is in the this

607
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,839
is one of the first pages he says, when people

608
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,480
say there's no way humans can do this, they're actually

609
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,039
saying that they can't comprehend how we can do this.

610
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,079
They don't have enough faith in their own species, you know.

611
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,640
So when I first became involved, I looked at like

612
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,079
the big the alien disc and thought, how the heck,

613
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:51,559
there's no way people can do this? And then you

614
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680
go out with the teams, really good teams. I couldn't

615
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,079
do it, but I've been involved in teams where the

616
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,160
leader could do it. And then you go into a

617
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,039
circle next time you go, Okay, well I can't. I

618
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,680
can't do this myself. I'm not experienced enough. But I

619
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,159
can certainly see how it was done, because we did

620
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,039
that last night, you know. But I was just stomping.

621
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:14,800
But I watched the blow through that last night.

622
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: But you did kind of you You did hint that

623
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,760
you think that some of the additions after you're completely

624
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,119
done and folks have left, oh yeah, may maybe something

625
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,400
else going on, Shannon.

626
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: That's not a hint. I'm not hinding that till I'm

627
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:32,360
quite blazing about that.

628
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: So what do you think that is? Do you think

629
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,920
that that is something literally the space brothers or You're

630
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,280
not going to have the answer, of course, But what

631
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,920
do you think that is done?

632
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,159
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I don't think it's aliens,

633
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,760
but it's something that I just say, it's at NHI.

634
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,719
It's not something I can explain. You look at these

635
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,800
additions and you go or you look at some of

636
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,199
the single circles, which I've been lucky enough to see.

637
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Sometimes you see and they're not even they're not even

638
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,239
single circles. They are a bit they're like a splodge,

639
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:09,239
you know, they're like really messy. It's it's like it's

640
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,519
not quite done it properly. But then but then you

641
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,840
walk into it and like that, the crop is like

642
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,119
a few inches raised, and you think that can't be

643
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,920
done by boards. But they don't get reported because nobody

644
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,119
wants to see it, because they don't look they don't

645
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,840
look pretty on calendars, you know. So yeah, I'm totally

646
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:31,440
I'm totally of the mindset that there is something else there,

647
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,440
and it's those single circles, the taliness. I don't know

648
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960
how they got there, But as soon as we started

649
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,360
to do pictures, that's when the people became involved.

650
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: And as you sorry to go ahead.

651
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: When we start to do straight line, when we learn

652
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:49,519
how to do straight lines, and we learn how to

653
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,440
get our geography sets out, our geometry sets out and

654
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,440
plot these things so that you know a centimeter on

655
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,119
the page is a foot in the field, that's when

656
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,360
I think the people start to get involved. But I

657
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,119
still those additions, and there's still single circles that I

658
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,719
see now and I go, I don't know what that is.

659
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,039
It's not people.

660
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: And as you said, also sometimes you can tell because

661
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,880
of the way you guys execute a crop circle. You

662
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,360
can tell by the way some of the corn is bent.

663
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,440
Afterward you go, that can be it's boards and people.

664
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,840
That's not okay, Wow, Well see everybody out there there.

665
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,440
There is still hope that it's not all people, right,

666
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:30,320
I mean because.

667
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,079
Speaker 3: Something yeah, totally.

668
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,639
Speaker 2: As you said, people want to believe, right, it's the

669
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,280
old X files. We want to believe.

670
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. But if you if you look at the crypt

671
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,440
circle mystery as a template, if you think, well, people

672
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,880
are involved, but all of this stuff is happening as well,

673
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,280
I think it's Actually I was devastated when I found

674
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,519
out people were making these things. I was really angry.

675
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,719
I thought, I've spent ten years on my life driving

676
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,400
here and and now I know that the picture of

677
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,840
Camson I made. I was really angry, I've wasted my

678
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,119
life life. And then I had that first experience in

679
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,360
that one that I'll just recap. But what happened was

680
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,639
I was I was invited to go out and do

681
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,880
a stage two. A lot of the circles that you

682
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,960
see people say, well, that could have been done in

683
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,000
one night. Well, they're right, because a lot of these

684
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,679
done over a lot of I don't know the two

685
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,039
or three nights, but you just don't see the location,

686
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,639
or certainly back then you would now with drones, etc.

687
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,800
But back back then a circle could be left for

688
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,639
a couple of days and people know I was there

689
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:34,199
and it wouldn't be finished. But I was overheard in

690
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,400
Crop Circles Central saying, you know, I'm really interested about

691
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480
what happens when the circles are here, not how they

692
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,079
got there. This guy come up to me, he says, look,

693
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,239
we've been watching you for the past few weeks. We

694
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,800
think that you're aligned to what we're doing. Would you

695
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,760
like to come out and finish this crop circle? No

696
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,760
one knows it's there. Would you want to come out

697
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,840
and finish it? I went, god, yeah, totally, And so

698
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,440
we went to do it and nothing happened at all,

699
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,400
and I thought, my god, what a wait the time,

700
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,199
these people are just egotists, they're hoaxes. I was really angry.

701
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,639
I wasted my night. And then at the end I

702
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,599
saw a flash at the end of the field like this,

703
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,880
like this, like this old flash bowl from the camera

704
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,960
because this was in the early two thousands. And I

705
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,039
said to the team and they, oh, shit, we've been caught.

706
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,159
There's been somebody crouching down and taking pictures. And I'm

707
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,960
at a job where I can't afford any criminal records,

708
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,800
you know, I'm in the trade. He said, no, don't

709
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,920
worry about it. We get this all the time. He said,

710
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,679
if you keep on making, you're going to see this

711
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:36,079
stuff all the time. It's perfectly natural. And then this

712
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,000
this flashlight that became more flashlights, and then it was

713
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,119
like one, two, three, bang bang bang bang bang, and

714
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,119
then they proliferated all around the outer rim of this

715
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,079
circle and then the substack. I called it the biggest

716
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,679
necklace in the world because if they surrounded us. And

717
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,280
I went, what the hell is that? And terret T said,

718
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:59,159
he said, oh yeah, that's just like a round of

719
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,320
paws and it's telling us to it's like a painting.

720
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,960
Don't do anything else, don't add to it because it's

721
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,840
going to mess it up. Just you've done your work.

722
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,039
We got you've got to go home. And then he

723
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,320
looked up and he said, okay, well we've done our work.

724
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,000
Now the circle is yours? Now it's not ours? And

725
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:17,880
I said to him, who are you talking to, tee?

726
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,880
And he says, oh, I'm talking to the people that

727
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,360
I'm talking to that lot and he pointed out pointed

728
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719
to the ceiling, but pointed to the sky. And the

729
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000
second that you said that, all these lights went off.

730
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,039
And that's when I thought, what the hell is going on?

731
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,000
And because I said to my partner, I'm going to

732
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:34,920
go out and help on a cell because if nothing

733
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,440
paranormal happens, I'm never going to do it again. And

734
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,360
when that happened, I was hooked. And but it's important

735
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,840
to tell you don't get a strange thing every time. Okay,

736
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,280
I would say I made about twenty five and I

737
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,480
only had a weird experience probably forty percent or fifty

738
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,440
percent at the time. A lot of the time the strange,

739
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,639
the strangeness happens afterwards when you when you see it

740
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,679
report did online then and then the relevance of the

741
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,760
circle and its location and time and the mistakes you've

742
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,679
made are actually that's when it resonates with you. Is

743
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,760
there hid in the hand here? You know? Because that

744
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,320
circle means complete, something completely different to what we wanted

745
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,960
it to do, and it's much more important than our.

746
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Intention was What about something anything following any of you

747
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,400
home activity in your homes afterwards.

748
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of us have had that. I don't

749
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:39,360
like to talk about it because it still attracts you know. Yeah,

750
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,599
definitely I've had it, and other people have had it

751
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:43,000
as well.

752
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: Scary stuff, dark stuff.

753
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really dark. And in my case, without going

754
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,199
into too much detail, it's in the book. It was

755
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,199
something that I did. I didn't do anything bad. It

756
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,079
wasn't like this other circle maker. I didn't like the

757
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,880
what this siguls looked like. I did something that was

758
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,280
all about my ego. I did something to show off,

759
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,719
all right. I took a couple of people out, all right,

760
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,960
and it was all about ego and they hadn't they

761
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
wanted to make a circle and I was really it

762
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,039
was about me, you know. And I got a slap

763
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,079
on the wrist after that.

764
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,559
Speaker 2: How long did it last?

765
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,039
Speaker 3: Only about a week and said and then I kind

766
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,119
of said, okay, I'm sorry, I won't do that again.

767
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 2: And it start like I get it.

768
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really sorry because I thought, why is this

769
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,559
happening to me? And it was really an engineered thing.

770
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,280
It was really scary. And then I thought, it's because

771
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,119
you made that crop circle. You did it for it.

772
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,320
You did that for you, You did that for the

773
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,400
You can't mess about with this stuff.

774
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: So it wasn't even what the shape of the crop circle.

775
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 4: It was.

776
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,559
Speaker 2: It was the intention behind it. It was it was

777
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,360
you showing off. Was enough?

778
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,639
Speaker 3: There was What happened was there was something. There was

779
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,480
something at the end of the circle. One of the

780
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,639
teams said, oh, can I just add something as just

781
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,840
my little signature so that I know that when I

782
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,760
see this picture in years to come, it I just

783
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,039
know I did that bit. And I said, yeah, okay, fine,

784
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,760
and he added this thing and it was unwitting. He

785
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,159
didn't do it on purpose, but this, this small embellishment

786
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,800
completely changed the tenor of the circle and it made

787
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,639
it look like something else. It was. It was tiny, okay,

788
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:34,679
but it was enough so that I looked at it

789
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,159
the next day I thought, oh shit, that's that's not good.

790
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,599
It looked like a scorpion sting kind of thing. It

791
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:47,119
was really, it was just that one small embellishment. It

792
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,199
just changed the whole circle. So it was a combination

793
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,199
of my ego and me doing it for the wrong intentions,

794
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,880
and this thing that I let this circle maker do,

795
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,960
this kid do and and then I thought that was

796
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:03,760
you you've done. No, you shouldn't have done that. You know,

797
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,239
I didn't know what he was going to add to

798
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,559
I've got to like that. I didn't know what he

799
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,360
was going to do, and I thought it was all

800
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,400
right because in the field I couldn't see it at

801
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,360
the time until I saw the aerial shots and went, oh,

802
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,679
that's completely different now, and it really it got a

803
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,599
bad It got negative connotations as well online people said,

804
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,639
I don't like what that looks like, you know.

805
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: Did it look satanic or something.

806
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,559
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go that far. It just looked In the book,

807
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:36,719
I say that within the landscape, we had this pastoral

808
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,599
landscape of beautiful landscape, and it looked discordant within that landscape.

809
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,480
That's what I said, and that's what I stand by.

810
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,639
And but I'm not the only one that's happened. People

811
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:52,239
have done stuff based on the wrong reasons. All they

812
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,440
put bad images in the field, and yeah it has

813
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,239
followed them home.

814
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what about the for that particular crop circle

815
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,880
that we were just talking about what about the others

816
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,559
that made it? Did they also have activity at home?

817
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: No? I never I never select them again. Shannon, Oh.

818
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: Is that normal? Is that an?

819
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,079
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

820
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: So how do you all find each other? I mean

821
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,039
I assumed it was mostly the same rotating.

822
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Everyone thinks it's a cult and you've got different

823
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,519
I didn't. No, I know you, but people do think that.

824
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,639
But sometimes you'll work with somebody and then you'll never

825
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,159
work with them again, or do you work with them

826
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:37,280
five years later? Okay, you know, because what happens is

827
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,559
you'll get people. You get people going out with mentors,

828
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:46,159
like the great artists, and then the great artists or

829
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,039
the older ones who retired, now the two old to

830
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,920
go out and then they're like sort of protegies go

831
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,719
out and they copy their mentors, you know, sort of

832
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,880
signifiers until they until they get their own, and then

833
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,000
they're off and then and then and it spreads. Then

834
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:02,960
they retire and blah blah blah, and it goes on

835
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,360
and on and on, and then you get other teams

836
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,079
that have just come from nowhere and you can see

837
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,519
where they The thing is, if people say, oh, you

838
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,519
can tell the crap circles because they're crap. What what

839
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,719
what The researchers don't tell you, and what they know

840
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,760
full well a lot of them is that if you

841
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,920
see a really bad crop circle, that's just your new

842
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,960
team starting out, you know. And it's like being a

843
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,519
rock and roll band. If you're in a rock and

844
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,400
roll band, you can rehearse in artist's basement until you're

845
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,480
really good, okay, and then you can go out and

846
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,639
do a good gig. You don't get you don't get

847
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,079
that luxury if if you're a crop circle maker and

848
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,440
you're and you're and you're new at it, you're rehearsing

849
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,519
in the open air, you know, and all your first

850
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:48,599
boxed attempts are going to be there for the public

851
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:52,920
to laugh at, you know. So no, it's not like

852
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,480
it's it's not like interchangeable people. There is a lot

853
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,760
of that, but it's not just that, you know, it's

854
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,639
you can work with people and never see it again.

855
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: So you just mentioned the the up and coming crop

856
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,800
circle maker. They're just starting out, right, so their crop

857
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,320
circles aren't as tight. Arnt is pretty arnt A is fantastical.

858
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,639
If you take that group of people in that crop circle,

859
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,159
and then you take ten year season veterans of this.

860
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,239
Does that mean that you guys over here with the fantastical, beautiful,

861
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,519
perfect crop circle has more activity than the less beautiful

862
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:32,199
crop circle.

863
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: What you mean that I've seen I've seen activity in

864
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,639
badly made crop circles. I've seen like the magical stuff

865
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:43,960
in badly mad crop circles, because sometimes like the even

866
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,039
though it's been badly done, that the intention was good,

867
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:48,800
the spirituality was was.

868
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:50,679
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yeah, that's what I was wanting.

869
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: That's that's a really good question. Actually, yeah, yeah, but

870
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,880
sometimes you see a bad circle thin that's you think, well,

871
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,880
I can see what they're trying to do because that

872
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,440
looks like that looks like the pattern from last year,

873
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,559
but they just haven't done it right. Yeah, and then

874
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,079
two years on it's the same thing as making good stuff,

875
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,440
you know, because they've they've learnt their mistakes to make,

876
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,079
you know, just try an error.

877
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: All right?

878
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: Do you forgive this question? But I feel like I

879
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,119
should ask because we're talking about batteries, draining apparitions, the

880
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:27,280
gamut of activity. So that said, have you or has

881
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,760
anyone that you've known that goes out and does these

882
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,639
crop circles?

883
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:31,639
Speaker 1: Do you?

884
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: Has anyone ever gone out and tried the Estes method

885
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,840
or done a weed aboard, or had a seance or

886
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,440
you know, tried to bring other ways of because obviously

887
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,039
you're already communicating while you're the intent behind it getting

888
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,880
there doing the crops circle, that's communication in some way,

889
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,400
shape or form already with something. What about other other forums?

890
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,719
Have you? Have you done that?

891
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,199
Speaker 3: Now? What the closest to what you've said is that

892
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,719
we do. And the first time I saw is I thought,

893
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,679
what's he doing? But you do? You do an incantation.

894
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,880
So what will happen is you'll get before you start

895
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,559
you this is this. It's not scripted, there's no you

896
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,760
don't read it out or anything. It's just this from

897
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,480
the heart. We basically say, look, can we can we

898
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:23,800
be protected and our endeavors to night? Can we not

899
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,000
be caught? Can we can we be harbored from any dangers?

900
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,480
And can we and can you help us? And can

901
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,960
you make sure that whoever encounters this after us when

902
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,880
we've left, has a Jewish experience and and and and

903
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,880
and it brings them something good to their lives. That

904
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,519
that's that's the extent of what we do. It's called

905
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:48,000
the incantation. Seeing it done many times and this this this,

906
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,960
there's no scripture to it. It's just it's it's basically

907
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,079
the same, the same words. Just yeah, yes, called the incantation,

908
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,000
but those those are the general GISTs of it. Please

909
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,920
protect us, please help us, laurendevas, help us make a

910
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,679
great one. And anybody that experiences it from tomorrow, can

911
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,559
they get something really positive out of it.

912
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: So, since it's been about a year since we've spoken,

913
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:20,880
just to close out, can you share an instance, probably

914
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,280
a recent one so that way, I don't think it's

915
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:28,039
covered in four ninety, but a strange or a really

916
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:33,599
impactful incident or synchronicity, something that you've come across that

917
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,559
that will be in the book as an example.

918
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, did I talk to you last time about about

919
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,440
that little about that little couple of girls?

920
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

921
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,079
Speaker 3: All right, this is I put this in the book

922
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:54,760
really early. Okay, this wasn't me, This was this was

923
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:00,639
another person. He was in bed and he was asleep,

924
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,119
and at midnight he felt completely awake, and he said,

925
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,559
it wasn't like I've roused. I felt like I've been

926
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,679
shaken by the shoulder. I woke up. I felt like

927
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,840
I've been shaken away. But the room was bare, it

928
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
was dead on midnight. And he said, I had this

929
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:22,679
compulsion to make this particular circle in this particular field.

930
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,239
It had to be this field, it had to be

931
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,719
this particular pattern. But he said he was warm, and

932
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,840
he didn't want to be, thinking, the last place I

933
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,280
want to beat is by myself, because as if I'm

934
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,599
going to get a team this time of night, the

935
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:36,480
last place I want to be is in a field

936
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,079
thrashing upon this design that is probably beyond my capabilities.

937
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,639
Just forget it. And then he tried to go asleep,

938
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,880
and he was nagging and nagging and nagging, and he said,

939
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,320
in the end he had to get up. And it

940
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,280
wasn't like a joyous calling or any religious, you know,

941
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,440
sort of thing. It was just like it was the

942
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,400
same thing as when your cat is pouring at you

943
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,320
for food. The only way that you're going to stop

944
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,000
it is by getting up, or if you're back, or

945
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,719
if the barn door was going in the wind, you've

946
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,639
got to get up. So obviously he couldn't he couldn't

947
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:08,000
get a team, so he used he used tent pegs

948
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,920
as well, because when the tent pegs in the soil,

949
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:14,079
once you've like straightened the tape out, you know that

950
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,000
the tent peg is equivalent to somebody standing there. So

951
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,000
so he got the kit out of his cupboard, drove

952
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,519
to a particular field. I thought, I can't be bothered

953
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,280
to drive anymore. I'm just going to do it here.

954
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,079
And he parked up, took his kit out, went to

955
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,440
went to start to do it in this field. Felt nauseous,

956
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:40,400
felt sick, felt terrible, and this this thing was in

957
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,920
high definition of in his head this same symbol. No,

958
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:48,320
this field, this field. Okay, So he gets out, drives

959
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,159
to the drives to the actual field. As soon as

960
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,039
he got there, he said he felt this rush of

961
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,920
energy when he started to do the right thing in

962
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,480
the right field. He said that the crop circle was

963
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,960
beyond his capabilities. He wasn't really good enough to be

964
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,280
able to pull it off. But it went without a hitch,

965
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,199
and it was done in a couple of hours. But

966
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,480
he said, in the time that he was doing it,

967
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,079
he could hear a rave over a ridge. It was

968
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:20,960
like chanting because there's a lot of parties in you know,

969
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,400
crop circle country at that time of year, people like

970
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,679
you getting by the fireside and campfires and playing guitars

971
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,000
and bongos. There's a lot of that, okay. So I thought, oh,

972
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840
there's obviously a rave going on. So what I'll do

973
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,400
is I won't use my flashlight and I'll be really careful.

974
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,440
I won't be singing to myself or anything like that.

975
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,480
I'll be really ninja about this, okay, to make sure

976
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,559
I'm not cool, because otherwise they're going to hear me.

977
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:48,559
Got the crop circle done and it was light by

978
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:50,599
the time he'd finished, so he thought, well, I don't

979
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,639
really want to risk carrying the stuff back to the car.

980
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,159
I mon't get caught, and he basically just fell asleep.

981
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,719
He said, as soon as he finished it, the energy

982
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,840
left his body. There's like this rushed that he had,

983
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,639
he said it. He said, it felt like he'd been

984
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,760
unplugged from the mains and he'd had this energy for

985
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,360
the time he was doing it. It was kind of external.

986
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,199
So he fell asleep, came to about eight am and

987
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,639
there was a group of girls just freaking out and

988
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:19,079
they were like whooping and they were so happy, and

989
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,920
like he realized that they were in his crop circle,

990
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,480
and they were sort of going, oh god, this is incredible,

991
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:28,239
and he's thinking to himself, well, you know, it's all right,

992
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,079
it's not that good. But one of them rushed up

993
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:36,599
to him and said, we've been supplicating. And she was

994
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:40,840
grappling something around her neck and it was a necklace

995
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,280
and she pulled it off and she goes, oh, we've

996
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,800
been supplicating Mother Nature for this. We've been we've been

997
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,199
meditating upon my amulet for her to put us in

998
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,920
this field within our order. Of course, my friend saw

999
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,039
the amulet and just freaked, Oh my god, that's exactly

1000
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,800
what I've just done. But he couldn't tell them obviously,

1001
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:03,199
you know, And he said to them the penny was dropping.

1002
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,960
But he said to them, oh, I mean, he was

1003
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,199
in shock, basically. But he still said to them, oh,

1004
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,320
last night, were you like doing a little rave, a

1005
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,280
little sort of party, And they said no, it's because

1006
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,280
when we do our intentions, we do them like whispering,

1007
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,039
and we do it. He said that he thought that

1008
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,920
somehow the intent of their sort of supplications had somehow

1009
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:35,079
to him seemed like actual music, you know. And he

1010
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,119
said the strange thing about that was he said, if

1011
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,559
I hadn't have heard the music, I wouldn't have been careful.

1012
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:41,480
Then I would have been caught. Then they wouldn't have

1013
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,400
got their present. But the kicker was he said to

1014
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,239
these girls, well, when did you start doing your prayers?

1015
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,159
And when did you start doing your well? She goes

1016
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,320
well midnight. Of course that's when she's most powerful. And

1017
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,360
that story for me, Right, You've got everything in there.

1018
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,960
You've got synchroniciatives, you've got you've got the you've got

1019
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:04,800
the communication with other parties. And I still say to him,

1020
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,400
m do you think that you are communicating with the

1021
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,199
girls or do you think that there's something else which

1022
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,320
is compelling us to do this? But that's the story.

1023
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,719
And the book is only one hundred and eighty pages, Shannon,

1024
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,000
and that's simply because once I finished it, it was

1025
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:25,199
like five hundred pages. There was so much that I

1026
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,159
couldn't use because the stories were all exactly the same.

1027
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,639
And that gave me more confidence than anything when I

1028
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,480
thought I'm onto something here, because there's so much that

1029
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:39,800
I can't use. Because these people, even though they're completely

1030
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,719
unrelated to each other, they don't know each other. I'm

1031
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,800
getting the same dead on stories from all of them,

1032
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,920
and that's why I've had to pair this book down

1033
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,480
to thirty percent of the size that it should have been.

1034
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,320
But that story there when I thought there's definitely's got

1035
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,440
to be something going on.

1036
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,559
Speaker 2: You know, wow, that is pretty incredible. He must have

1037
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,280
just been absolutely blown away to see around her neck

1038
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,039
that exact design.

1039
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,599
Speaker 3: But he said he had to retain his He said

1040
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,079
he had to retain his composure because he didn't want

1041
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:12,840
to give it away and he didn't want to tell

1042
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,760
them it was man made. He didn't want to say

1043
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,079
I did it. Not that they would have believed him,

1044
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,079
but he didn't want to spoil their gift.

1045
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: You know wow, that is incredible. Well, Dee, I it

1046
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,639
was such a pleasure to speak to you again, and

1047
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,320
I hope that you continue. I assume you will, hopefully

1048
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,880
to collect these stories, and you're welcome back.

1049
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to. I'm not going to. This was

1050
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,639
a cathartic thing for me to do. I'm leaving it

1051
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:44,039
alone now. Once this book's out, I'm never going to

1052
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,760
do anything like this again. My career is pushing me

1053
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,000
in other creative directions. I'm leaving this alone and I'm

1054
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:55,000
hoping by telling you that that you'll realize that I'm

1055
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:57,119
not kind of I'm not looking to build a career.

1056
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,480
I'm not a grifter. I'm done with this now. I

1057
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:03,760
wanted to get this out, put our side across. It's

1058
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,960
in the past for me already. I've moved on to

1059
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:10,719
something else, really creative. Do you understand good, So I'm

1060
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,639
not wasting I don't. I'm not wasting your time. I'm

1061
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,760
letting you know this is done for me. I'm not

1062
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,519
looking to build. I'm not looking to under lecture circuit.

1063
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:21,719
I'm not interested. It's ten years of my life. I've

1064
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,760
done it. I wanted to tell people what goes on,

1065
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,719
make your own mind up. But I'm done, and my

1066
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,880
missus is certainly done with it because she doesn't believe

1067
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,039
in any of this stuff. I said, let me get

1068
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,519
let me get it out, and I promise you I

1069
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:41,280
will leave this alone now, but so we can talk

1070
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,000
about other things in the future. Won't be well, good.

1071
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: For you, d I'm that is incredible. No, that's a

1072
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:50,320
wonderful answer. I think that's fantastic, and it must be

1073
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,599
as you say, it's very cathartic. You've got it out.

1074
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:55,639
You put everything that you could have into this and

1075
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,679
here she is. Okay. So that said, let's talk about

1076
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:02,079
before I let you.

1077
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,719
Speaker 3: Go where you don't think you're going to get that answer? Did?

1078
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 5: No?

1079
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 2: Actually I didn't. It's always because it's always the same.

1080
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,559
It's always that same back and forth for things like that.

1081
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:20,960
Oh yeah, I'll come back on and another year you're

1082
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,079
like bye bye.

1083
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:23,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1084
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: No, I think that's wonderful. I really do.

1085
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: No.

1086
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,079
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that, but I think that I think

1087
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:33,760
that's great. And you know, once the energy is expelled

1088
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,400
for something and you don't have a passion for it anymore,

1089
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,199
you shouldn't just keep hanging on to the threat.

1090
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: What I am I hanging on to is done.

1091
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1092
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: I wanted the story to get out there. And there's

1093
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,119
two other books like this coming out this year, so

1094
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:50,920
I think that that's quite tending as well. Yeah, you

1095
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,199
know that there's two other people doing this, you know,

1096
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,440
obviously there's something in the air. Maybe we're disclosure, I

1097
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,719
don't know, but it's really odd that there's two other

1098
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,480
books coming out and we didn't know about each other,

1099
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,400
you know, the three of us doing this.

1100
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,519
Speaker 2: Yere Wow, Yeah, that is that is very telling. Well, okay,

1101
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,440
so share as much as you can, as far as can.

1102
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,840
People still go on the sub stack win this bookpected.

1103
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the substacts free. It's called It Can't Be People,

1104
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,639
and you'll find it is substack dot it Can't Be

1105
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,960
People dot Com. I've been updating it every sort of

1106
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,000
a couple of weeks with new story and interviews, so

1107
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,880
you'll you'll be on here in a couple of weeks.

1108
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:30,079
But the book, it's It Can't Be People Voices from

1109
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,280
the Inner Circle, Citizen D. And it'll be coming out

1110
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:36,119
on the fifteenth of August. And I said, I said,

1111
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,719
you a bit just off their off there there, my

1112
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,639
identity would probably come out. You know, a lot of

1113
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:45,199
people know who I am. But I'm hoping that by

1114
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,079
by remaining anonymous by choice and that being outed won't

1115
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:53,119
be my doing, you'll see that this isn't an ego thing, Okay.

1116
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,679
Otherwise I'd haven't come in and shouting my own name, okay.

1117
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:58,760
And the reason why I called it under Citizen D

1118
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,119
is because I just want the story to talk. It's

1119
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:03,760
not about me, It's it's about what over the past

1120
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,639
ten years, and that I'll be out on Amazon, probably

1121
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:11,320
just Paperback worldwide, fifteenth of AUGUSTA.

1122
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: That is what I was going to ask, is Emma

1123
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:19,639
Zon you can't. You can't get away from the zone, right, Well,

1124
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,119
thee thank you so much for coming back on and

1125
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:26,000
I'll talk to you again, but it won't be about

1126
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:31,639
this subject. Obviously you did throw me for a loop there.

1127
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: Oh I'm genuine now because I'm not looking to make

1128
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,880
a career out of it.

1129
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,519
Speaker 2: I was like, let me check my my earbuds here

1130
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:41,679
did I just hit out?

1131
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm done?

1132
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,119
Speaker 2: Well, you've done incredible work. So it's it's I mean,

1133
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,400
not for nothing, it is. It's a fascinating subject. And

1134
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,360
for me to you know, look at something and and go, oh,

1135
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,480
this is going to be a this conversation is going

1136
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,079
to sit in this little box. And then I kept

1137
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,159
reading reading, you know, referring to my first contact to go,

1138
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:04,800
oh yeah, wait a second, so we're here. I love that.

1139
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: What I'd like to say at the end, just to

1140
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,679
finish with this, if you're I'm not going to burst

1141
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,639
your bubble. And if you want to believe that some

1142
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,599
crop circles are are made by other forces and like

1143
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:17,360
the picture game, that's fine, Okay, I don't care. Go

1144
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,400
on your own journey. I'm not going to burst your bubble.

1145
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:23,159
But just bear in mind that if when you see

1146
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,480
people you know belittling hoaxes and saying that, well, these

1147
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,280
are hoaxes, what you've got to realize this is that

1148
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,960
for something to be hoaxed, there must be a definitive

1149
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:35,639
article which can be proved not to have been made

1150
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:40,559
by people. We think that there is no such definitive article. Okay,

1151
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,199
So even if you're a part in your part of

1152
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:47,480
your journey where you're not prepared to accept the all

1153
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,239
crop circles are made by people, the takeaway is the

1154
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,760
fact that they are made by people, or some are

1155
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,960
made by people, of your opinion, there's still something really

1156
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,280
effing weird going on. Okay, so don't dismiss it this Still,

1157
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:02,880
don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There

1158
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,000
is something really odd going on. It could be us,

1159
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,360
it could be us relating to something else, or it

1160
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,840
could be just humanity and with a mystery.

1161
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a beautiful place to end it. Thanks again, d.

1162
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: Well.

1163
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:19,639
Speaker 3: I'm so and so.

1164
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:22,039
Speaker 5: I was given a snake by my parents. My business,

1165
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,800
I've out for college, I've done these things. As my professions,

1166
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,440
I produce a little bark, but its forget it.

1167
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:34,639
Speaker 3: That's someone's story. That's all gone, that's all bars. I

1168
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:35,320
want to see.

1169
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 4: Them really who you are now when.

1170
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:39,719
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what earnings.

1171
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 5: Because we don't know ourselves exert for listening to marry

1172
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,440
and consulting aren't them? And then there's a really, And

1173
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:54,199
then again it has been there's a question.

1174
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Speaker 3: All are you that.

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Speaker 5: We shall see how they play with the success by

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the colors to get you to.

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Speaker 3: Come out of the show and find out really.

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Speaker 4: Puts puss puss pusssssssssssss.

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Speaker 3: Send me. For example, are quite divided on us.

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Speaker 5: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

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that after your funeral to grow you will sadly become

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sadly different. They being somewhere else, they will say, reincarnation

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means this that if you sitting here now are really convinced.

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Speaker 3: That you're the same.

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Speaker 5: Person that bolding at the door half an hour ago,

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you'll be reincarnated. If you're liberated, well as now that

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you're gone, the past hasn't been tested, the future hasn't insistence.

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Speaker 4: There is only the present, that's the.

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Speaker 3: Only amenion that there is. The zen masters don't get

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in this space center. The spring does not become something.

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First there is sam and then.

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Speaker 4: There is springs. It's it's, it's, it's.

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Speaker 5: T s has the same ideas when he says, when

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you settled down in the train to read your newspapers

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and you're not the same person, h.

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Speaker 4: M hmm.

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Speaker 5: If you think you are, you are linking your moments

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up in the change. And this is what binds the

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wheel of both there. When you know that every moment

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which you are is the only moment, this comes intos

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and the master will say to somebody, I cannot have

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a walk across the room and it can be back.

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Speaker 3: He says, where are your foot? They've gone, So where

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,039
are you? Who are you? When we are asked who

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we are, we usually give a kind of recipation of

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an instrm string inst