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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number four zero three.

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<v Speaker 1>to make your screenplay bulletproof. And here's your host, Alex Ferrari.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we have a insanely cool episode. I am talking

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<v Speaker 2>to one of the ogs, the original gangsters of the

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaking blogger sphere, Philip Bloom. Now, if you guys don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who Philip Bloom is, google him because he has

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<v Speaker 2>been around since the early two thousands. He's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first filmmaking bloggers out there. He has a massive

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<v Speaker 2>online empire, if you will. He's worked with George Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>shot shot the movie Red Tales with him on a

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<v Speaker 2>Canon five D when it first came out. He also

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<v Speaker 2>travels the world as an award winning cinematographer. And over

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<v Speaker 2>the years I've learned a ton from his YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 2>his blog, and all the cool stuff that he puts

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<v Speaker 2>out there for the filmmaking community. And I am honored

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<v Speaker 2>and humbled that he would come on the podcast to

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<v Speaker 2>share his experience and knowledge with the tribe, and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a little surprised for you at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Phillip's got this brand new insane course that

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<v Speaker 2>he's got called Philip Bloom's Cinematic master Class, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will have a link at the end of this episode

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<v Speaker 2>where you guys can go and check it out. It

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<v Speaker 2>is almost ten hours long. It is definitely a masterclass.

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<v Speaker 2>I have taken a bunch of it already and I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned a few things along the way as well, So

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<v Speaker 2>definitely check that out. But without any further ado, please

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy my conversation with Philip Bloom. I'd like to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show Philip Bloom. Thank you, sir so much

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<v Speaker 2>for taking the time out to share your knowledge with

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<v Speaker 2>the tribe.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Alex, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you get into this crazy business?

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<v Speaker 3>A path which probably doesn't exist anymore. It goes back

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<v Speaker 3>to I think most times when you're growing up, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what to do. And I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to do. And I'm watching a TV show

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<v Speaker 3>and it was about a was a guy who tried

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<v Speaker 3>out different careers, and one episode was where he tried

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<v Speaker 3>to be a news photographer. And I watched that. This

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<v Speaker 3>was like in the sort of like mid eighties, and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, that looks really cool. So a friend of

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<v Speaker 3>my dad's knew a press strographer, and so I had

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation with him about it, and I took photos.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a hobbyist, nothing particularly serious, but I took photos.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought that looks like a really interesting job,

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<v Speaker 3>because I didn't really know what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said to me, I would not bother

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<v Speaker 3>doing this because photography's on the way out because digital

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<v Speaker 3>is coming in and that's going to change everything. That's

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<v Speaker 3>going to cheapen the industry. You should get into TV news.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where the future is. So I when, yeah, why not?

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<v Speaker 3>So I then sort of like made inquiries and contacts

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<v Speaker 3>found somebody who knew somebody, and I managed to go

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<v Speaker 3>out with a news crew. I was must have been

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<v Speaker 3>about sixteen or seventeen, did that for the day and

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<v Speaker 3>it was the best thing I'd ever done. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so much fun. And this was back in the golden

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<v Speaker 3>age of TV news in a way, because where you

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<v Speaker 3>were really looked after. I think they did a I

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<v Speaker 3>went out with them like three man crew went out

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<v Speaker 3>to the press conference for a boxer, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>expected Chinese restaurant. All on the company and I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>think then they said we may do something later, but

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<v Speaker 3>probably not. That'd be it for the day. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a job. Wow, and by you know, eventually,

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<v Speaker 3>I by the time I left Score, I then got

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<v Speaker 3>managed to get my foot into door into Sky Television

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<v Speaker 3>and to try and become a news cameraman. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of how I got in. Never wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>a use that were filmmaker. I never wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>a filmmaker and slightest wanted to do something. Wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>find a job that could pay me to do something

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<v Speaker 3>that was interesting because I really had no idea what

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do growing up, and that was basically

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<v Speaker 3>I just sort of fell into it. Just found that

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed filming and really enjoyed the excitement of

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<v Speaker 3>and boredom as well of news and I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>that's kind of where it was really and I did

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<v Speaker 3>that for seventeen years. Oh wow, it was for staff

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<v Speaker 3>and it was the best training anybody I think you

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<v Speaker 3>could have when if you want to become a storyteller,

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<v Speaker 3>because you get I got to I learned how to

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<v Speaker 3>use it, not particularly technically because it was much simpler.

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<v Speaker 3>Times it was on camera one lens, like a try

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. It was like, yeah, there's no settings and

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<v Speaker 3>camera it's turned it on and no, you had a

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<v Speaker 3>game switch there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>In the way balance so yeah, yeah, white balance.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course it was black and white view find it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you had to get it right. You knew you

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<v Speaker 3>got it right because you didn't get a phone call

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<v Speaker 3>later to tell you that you got it wrong. So

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<v Speaker 3>and of the way things works back then. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was brilliant. It was great training. I got to learn

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<v Speaker 3>how to tell stories really quickly. I learned how to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot efficiently, how to walk into a room and see

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<v Speaker 3>the positions where I need to be, and you had

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<v Speaker 3>to learn how to figure out how what shots I

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a chance to do long form stuff, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was always traveling around the world and they taught

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<v Speaker 3>me how to edit. It was just a really brilliant experience,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess it's one of those things that when

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<v Speaker 3>you get to I got really comfortable with it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I could easily still be doing it now, but I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that I had to leave to push myself further.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was eleven years ago, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you got into more filmmaking, more documentary after that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean documentaries is kind of what I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing for the last few years of my staff job anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>because I was one of the few caraman. There was

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty five caraman that worked at the company on

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<v Speaker 3>the news roster, and I was one of the few

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<v Speaker 3>who edited, and so I got sent to do the

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<v Speaker 3>interesting stories, and then they gave me the more creative stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I showed a flair for doing creative stuff, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they pushed me to more and more and do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then so I was doing the longer form stuff

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like what I guess what you create is

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<v Speaker 3>like sixty minutes types that you have, and that was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>So that really gave me the taste for longer stuff

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<v Speaker 3>of doing that, So that's when I went into freelancing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I really wanted to still push forward with

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<v Speaker 3>documentaries as my main thing. It is still my main thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but also try the other things which which interested me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I've certainly found that trying all these

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<v Speaker 3>different things and still doing that different types of work

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<v Speaker 3>really helps in every aspect. If you're filming narrative fiction,

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<v Speaker 3>coming from a news documentary background is incredibly useful because

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<v Speaker 3>if you've what you can take from that fiction though,

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<v Speaker 3>is the aspect of planning and working with others for

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<v Speaker 3>in a much more controlled way and bring that into

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<v Speaker 3>your documentary work can have a really interesting effect. So

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<v Speaker 3>I love the way that everything that I've done in

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<v Speaker 3>these past eleven years is really sort of old and

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<v Speaker 2>Now you were at what point in your career did

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<v Speaker 2>you decide, Hey, I'm going to start blogging, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up a YouTube show your YouTube channel. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're one of the first guys in the in the industry,

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<v Speaker 2>in the film industry at all. That was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>figuring that out. How did you start this blog and

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<v Speaker 2>what made you want to start one.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think the website started initially this is in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and six, just as a place for my

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<v Speaker 3>show real because nobody prior to this, people would just

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<v Speaker 3>and still what at this time we're sending out DVDs

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<v Speaker 3>it takes for somebody to open it up and put

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<v Speaker 3>it in a machine and play it. It means they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to watch it. And I just thought, if

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<v Speaker 3>I could just send them a link over this thing

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<v Speaker 3>called email that mbod seems to start having these days.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's basically it was just in the most obvious

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<v Speaker 3>And then about a year later I started up the blog,

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<v Speaker 3>and the blog was really it was just a simple

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<v Speaker 3>way of me sharing my experiences using something called thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five milimeters adaptors, which is what we used before ds lars.

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<v Speaker 3>and aesthetic and everything, and it was a really clunky

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<v Speaker 3>c system, I remember, and the only way you could

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<v Speaker 3>find out information about these really was by going through

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<v Speaker 3>all of these forums, the DVX users and the dv

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<v Speaker 3>infos and stuff like that, and it was going through

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<v Speaker 3>countless threats, and I thought, yeah, I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 3>and they can see me trying out all these gears,

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<v Speaker 3>all these different adaptors that I'm buying, trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>the most filmic look, and it was simply it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>just want to give a little bit back because I

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<v Speaker 3>was trained by such brilliant cameramen back in my news days,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just wanted to just have you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>of floundering. So I just wanted to share my experiences

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<v Speaker 2>It grew and grew and grew till it's the juggernaut

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<v Speaker 2>that it is today. And your YouTube and when did

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube? To funny that, I mean it started at a

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<v Speaker 3>But it's and I'm not I'm not a snob at

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<v Speaker 3>of people who watch it on Vimeo. I'm like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So you want to pick and choose your audience where

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<v Speaker 3>Surely there's as many people to watch it as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>So and and YouTube for me is now grown bigger

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<v Speaker 3>for me than Vimeo. I still use Vimeo initially put

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<v Speaker 3>I would then put it up onto YouTube because as

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<v Speaker 3>have to let it go. And it's not like I

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<v Speaker 2>So when you approach a film, more a series, how

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<v Speaker 3>new contacts and do things like that just the normal way,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't send my my I don't try and

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<v Speaker 3>with job offers and ideas, and if it's something that

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<v Speaker 3>interests me, then I will then I'll go and work

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<v Speaker 3>with it. And it really depends on what the job is.

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<v Speaker 3>It can be. It's such a different process for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's whether it's working on a documentary series or

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<v Speaker 3>all of these things have such different processes. Obviously there's

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<v Speaker 3>I think the common ground on all of it would

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<v Speaker 3>be filming, because on everything that I do, I'll always

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<v Speaker 3>be filming something, But on other stuff it may not

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<v Speaker 3>be editing, I may not be doing any pre production.

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<v Speaker 3>It really depends on type of things that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you shoot a lot on location. Do you have

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<v Speaker 3>an unpredictable, uncontrollable thing frequently, and so whilst working with

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<v Speaker 3>what there is is a nice quick way of doing things.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't use it for everything. It's the best thing

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<v Speaker 3>I can suggest when you are working with available I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>If you're going to try and do talking heads and

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<v Speaker 3>interviews in a room, trying to do that on just

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<v Speaker 3>available light or natural light unless you've got continuous gray

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<v Speaker 3>cloud outside or anything like that, it's just going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a nightmare. But it is a case of working

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<v Speaker 3>with what's there, don't fight it, embrace the lights. Work

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<v Speaker 3>finds a location or room with a background that works

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<v Speaker 3>with the windows and what there is. When you walk

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<v Speaker 3>into a room that has lights on, turn them off

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<v Speaker 3>and then see what the light's like, and then turn

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<v Speaker 3>the back on again if you want. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>case of just don't don't turn the camera on until

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<v Speaker 3>you've figured out where the light is and how can

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<v Speaker 3>harness it. And I think to many people don't look

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<v Speaker 3>at where the light is before they choose their background first,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they go, oh, what about the light. The

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<v Speaker 3>two should be hand in hand, especially if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be working with natural light, you need to make

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<v Speaker 2>It's that it's, in other words, kind of roll with

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<v Speaker 2>the punches when it comes to natural light as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to trying to control it or manipulate it too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can't control and manipulate it to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain extent, but it's ever changing. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, wrestling a wet cat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just it depends on what it is you're

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<v Speaker 3>shots here and there, it's you know, you can work

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<v Speaker 3>with it, and you know lighting is not turning up

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<v Speaker 3>the ISO on your camera, as you know, is a

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<v Speaker 3>completely different thing. Horrendous to think that some people actually

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<v Speaker 3>do think that is what lighting is. No, we still

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<v Speaker 3>need to lighting also, you know, it creates the movie,

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<v Speaker 3>it creates everything. And I love natural light. But when

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<v Speaker 3>the natural light doesn't work for me, which is can

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<v Speaker 3>easily be you know, seventy five percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when you start adding lights to yourself, but in

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<v Speaker 3>the most naturalistic way possible. For me, it's all about

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<v Speaker 3>finding the position where your lights can be that can

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<v Speaker 3>looks like it's a motivated light source, like it could

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<v Speaker 3>be the window, and that's what I could be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I could literally just be putting up a light to

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<v Speaker 3>add to the window light, to take it over, to

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<v Speaker 3>add a little bit more to it, to give it a

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<v Speaker 3>of what you need to do with it. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>use to see, you know, if you want to scout

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<v Speaker 3>locations beforehand to see where the sun will be, the

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<v Speaker 3>light will be, and how that will affect things. But

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<v Speaker 3>most of the time, if you're just doing things quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>you just have to work with it and just be

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<v Speaker 3>quick is my best advice. If you are going to

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<v Speaker 3>work with natural light, don't faff around and start being

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<v Speaker 3>undecided about what you're going to do. You just have

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<v Speaker 3>to just go with it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know because I actually watched your your Skywalker ranch

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<v Speaker 2>video that you did years ago, which was stunning and

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<v Speaker 2>for any Star Wars fan that is mecca. So I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it. I found it online. I was like wow,

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, yeah, So that was that was an interesting time.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was back in oh, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 3>and they contacted me and it's it's a fun it's

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<v Speaker 3>a nice story because I'm a huge Star Wars fan,

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<v Speaker 3>have been since I saw the first Star Wars back

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<v Speaker 3>in seventy seven. And they emailed me and I didn't reply.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lucasfilm emailed me and I didn't reply because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>terrible with emails. And you know, I have a PA

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<v Speaker 3>now and it makes things better, but in there she

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<v Speaker 3>does my work emails. She doesn't do my personal emails,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm still rubbish with my personal emails. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was still bad then and I missed it, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they called me and I didn't. I'm rubbish with voicemails,

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<v Speaker 3>terrible with voicemails. I'll they be like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>have sixty new voicemails it I mean. But I actually

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<v Speaker 3>a day after it was left.

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<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was Producer Rick McCallum has said, dropped you

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<v Speaker 3>an email last week and tried to call you, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's strange that we've not heard back from you. I think, basically,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think anybody never nobody ignores and I wasn't ignoring.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just rubbish.

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<v Speaker 2>No one ever ignores an email.

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<v Speaker 3>George Lucas. I immediately called them back and apologized, and

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<v Speaker 3>they just said that they want to know what this

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<v Speaker 3>can five D Mark, Who's about if it's any good?

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<v Speaker 3>They have Second World War movie but they're currently shooting

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<v Speaker 3>called Redtails, and they've got some other plans for other

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that they just want to I just don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what the quality is. Like they've got one, they've messed

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<v Speaker 3>around with it, but they're not They don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>much about it. So could I come over to Skywalker

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<v Speaker 3>Rage for maybe a few days and give them some advice?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, yeah, sure we Actually I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually I was booked on a job. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>was booked on a job a short notice. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like can you come out next week? And I was

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<v Speaker 3>booked for like three weeks, And so I phoned up

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<v Speaker 3>the production manager of the job I was on and

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<v Speaker 3>gave the sob story of like, you know how important

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars was to my life, And then eventually got

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<v Speaker 3>to the bit that I said, and they've asked me

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<v Speaker 3>to come over there next week to work with them,

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<v Speaker 3>And she said to me, why don't you tell me

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<v Speaker 3>about the beginning ten minutes ago. Yeah, that's fine, I understand, totally,

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<v Speaker 3>not problem. I'll let you, I'll let you off the job.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah. So I went out there and I shot

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<v Speaker 3>see it. Didn't want me to shoot a need test

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to see what it looked like projected. So

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<v Speaker 3>I just got some stuff around the ranch and I

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<v Speaker 3>went into there, into the main house, into the screening room.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a hell of experience because it was

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<v Speaker 3>so it was Ritt McCallum there, and George Lucas and

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<v Speaker 3>and editor Ben Bert. So they're go into this and

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis there was he was he wasn't there. And I

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<v Speaker 3>before anybody else saw it, just to check it. So

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<v Speaker 3>the first time I ever saw Callum five Mark two

422
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<v Speaker 3>stuff projected was at that point, and it looked beautiful.

423
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<v Speaker 3>It looked so much better than did it on the

424
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<v Speaker 3>computer through their magical I don't know what amazing projector

425
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<v Speaker 3>they had. It just looked fantastic and they loved it.

426
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<v Speaker 3>So it was a hell of an experience.

427
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<v Speaker 2>And then didn't you get to work a little bit

428
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<v Speaker 2>on Red Tails?

429
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I did some shoots. I did some stuff

430
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<v Speaker 3>for them up in Sonoma for a couple of weeks,

431
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.519
<v Speaker 3>and then in Prague a few months later as well.

432
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<v Speaker 3>So I did about three weeks work on the on

433
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<v Speaker 3>the movie. And it was that was It was crazy

434
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<v Speaker 3>because there was me with my little fady Mark two,

435
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.359
<v Speaker 3>and I also had a one D Mark four as well.

436
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<v Speaker 3>I'd have a seventy as well, maybe a seven day

437
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<v Speaker 3>camp member. I think I did had a seventy modified

438
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<v Speaker 3>a peel as well, so I did three cameras to

439
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 3>switch between. And they were shooting on Sony F thirty five,

440
00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.200
<v Speaker 3>so big beasts and you know, the proper set of

441
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.400
<v Speaker 3>my crew and looks like it's just a monster. So

442
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.279
<v Speaker 3>you know that I would be there to get an

443
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 3>angle they hadn't thought of because I was so nimble

444
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 3>and able to just slott in and find things with

445
00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.960
<v Speaker 3>my eye what I did, and I was able to

446
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 3>be sat up and ready within like two minutes, and

447
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:16.960
<v Speaker 3>these guys were like forty five minutes to an hour

448
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.640
<v Speaker 3>just to repo each position, of course, So it was,

449
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.359
<v Speaker 3>it was, it was fun. It was. It's a fun

450
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 3>drinking game watching a movie. Boy, I can't do it

451
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 3>because I would kill myself because there's one hundred and

452
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 3>fifty shots of my film. Yeah, that's insane. I know

453
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<v Speaker 3>every single one of the shots when it comes on,

454
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 3>and of course they've braided it beautiful and you couldn't tell,

455
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.599
<v Speaker 3>but it's not. It's not for what people initially thought of, Oh,

456
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 3>you must be using it for like cockpit cameras and

457
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, like, oh, because they're not really the cockpits,

458
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 3>they're obviously it's a stage and they're on they're one

459
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 3>involved and there's a techno crane and sure, yeah, so

460
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 3>my camera was not forgetting those like small space type stuff.

461
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 3>It was really just I was the small camera to

462
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<v Speaker 3>find small spaces and get angles that they couldn't or

463
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<v Speaker 3>hadn't thought of beforehand.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Now you would you agree that they found you? Basically?

465
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<v Speaker 2>Did they find you because of your blog and because

466
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>you work at the one kind of talking about DSLRs

467
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<v Speaker 2>a lot?

468
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think, I mean, without question, it was when

469
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 3>the five D came along, I didn't embrace it straight away.

470
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 3>Vincent the Fray did reverie, of course in November two

471
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.200
<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight, and I had played with it. I

472
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 3>bought the nick On D ninety a month before that

473
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 3>hated it. I was so excited by the concept of

474
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 3>DSLRs having a large sensor to be a shoot video.

475
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.400
<v Speaker 3>But the quality of the nick Ond ninety was so bad.

476
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:46.400
<v Speaker 3>And then I saw the five D mark too, and

477
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.920
<v Speaker 3>when that looks cool, but I have no can glass

478
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.559
<v Speaker 3>and it only shoots thirty P and I need to

479
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 3>shoot twenty five P and twenty four P. So this

480
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.359
<v Speaker 3>is that good to me? But I did get to

481
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.599
<v Speaker 3>try it for the first time in May and then

482
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 3>realized you could, you can get past the lens limitations

483
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 3>and also the fact that there was no manual control

484
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 3>by using old nick on glass with an adapt and

485
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 3>and also found a way of conversing the thirty P

486
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<v Speaker 3>twenty five P to make it look okay. And so yeah,

487
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 3>so I was you know, once I did, once I

488
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 3>figure that out, I really just loved it. And I

489
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 3>think that's kind of you know, a lot of people

490
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 3>saw my staff and saw what I was doing and

491
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 3>picked up from there.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Now can you? Because I have I have a love

493
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>hate relationship with DSLRs because I've graded I've graded probably

494
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 2>about five features that were shot under DSLRs, and they've

495
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.799
<v Speaker 2>never shot properly. If you shoot the DSLR properly like

496
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you did on Redtails, I'm sure it looks And now

497
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I saw the movie, it looks great. But most people

498
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to shoot DSLRs properly. Gets too grainy.

499
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Like one movie I had was like in the movie

500
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<v Speaker 2>in the woods at night with no light and they're like, hey,

501
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.519
<v Speaker 2>why is there so much grain? I'm like, eyes, you know,

502
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it's you know we have it's not it's it just

503
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>couldn't work. So what tips do you have with shooting DSLRs?

504
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Now?

505
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.440
<v Speaker 2>The DSLR is also that you shot redtails with are

506
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.799
<v Speaker 2>much different than they are now with the a CPS

507
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 2>two that can literally look into into the darkness of

508
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>hell and stick stay clean. But what what kind of

509
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>tips do you have when shooting DSLRs for filmmakers who

510
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>want to shoot a feature or short and try to

511
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>get the most out of that camera.

512
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 3>It's funny and it has been quite a few years

513
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 3>now since they first came out and the yeat the

514
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:42.359
<v Speaker 3>image quality has come on enormously. But the key core

515
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 3>is principles that we need to stick to. Are they

516
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 3>much the same. You need to if you're going to

517
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>use a handheld, you need to have it on some

518
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.599
<v Speaker 3>some sort of rig just to stabilize a little bit,

519
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 3>because unless you have one, you know, one of these

520
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 3>five acts is stableized senses, then that's going to help

521
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 3>you as well. But that's one of the first things

522
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 3>is just to make sure if you are going to

523
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 3>shoot handheld, just be aware of the terrible issues. We

524
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.240
<v Speaker 3>can have a rolling shutter, which is a huge giveaway

525
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 3>for DSLRs is that horrible micro vibrations that we can

526
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 3>really see, not just jello, not just like rolling shutter.

527
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 3>He said that you know, you know which it really

528
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 3>looks like, oh my god, like somebody pretty much caffeine

529
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 3>sure while they hold it in the camera. So be

530
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 3>careful that, you know, use an is lens, mistabilized lens

531
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>if you haven't got that. But it's know what your

532
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 3>camera performs best at with its ISOs. And yes, many

533
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 3>of the cameras, you know, the A seven S two,

534
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 3>you can push your camera much higher, but you still

535
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>need to expose correctly. So that's one of the things

536
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 3>that people aren't doing right. And I do not recommend

537
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:51.319
<v Speaker 3>shooting log format on any of the dslars with a

538
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>bit codex, which is pretty much all of them except

539
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 3>the GH five, and even then it's it's still a

540
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>little bit challenging. It's a hell of a codec GH

541
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 3>five logs. It's really hard to grade. So I would

542
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>I would suggest no, you know, know how far you

543
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 3>can push your io and then only use it for

544
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>extreme purposes. It's not a replacement for lighting. It's a

545
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 3>way of hopefully being able to film in environments that

546
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't normally film in. That's basically what DSLRs exciting

547
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.559
<v Speaker 3>to me about was, apart from the size and the optics,

548
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 3>was just I think it was the ability to push

549
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 3>that low light up a little bit like that. And

550
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 3>I think when the A seven s two came out

551
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 3>or the A seven s came out, initially it wasn't

552
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I could film in moonlight. It was

553
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I could film in street light but

554
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.200
<v Speaker 3>not wide open, which is what too many people are

555
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.359
<v Speaker 3>still doing when choosing on DSLRs. That's the other tip

556
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 3>is just because you've got a left one point four

557
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 3>lens doesn't mean you shoot at left one point four

558
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 3>for every single shot. It's incredibly hard to keep focus.

559
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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

560
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

561
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<v Speaker 3>We do have some cameras coming out now with pretty

562
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 3>decent autofocus, but it's still not necessarily the way to go.

563
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 3>It's a different thing, and I would use that for

564
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 3>certain things like interviews and stuff like that. Other than that,

565
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 3>it's being sensible with it being sensible, so I would

566
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 3>say the key things are going to be don't be

567
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 3>shooting wide open, keep your camera stable if you can

568
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 3>as much as possible, don't push ISO too far, and

569
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 3>don't fall into temptation of shooting log unless you absolutely

570
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 3>have to. Proper video cameras with ten bit codecs to

571
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 3>shoot log fantastic, but eight bit compressed codex, whether it's

572
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 3>a drone ORLR, it's a nightmare. And you spend so

573
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>much time in post just trying to hide all the problems,

574
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 3>which if you hadn't done that in the first place,

575
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.279
<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't be doing now.

576
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<v Speaker 2>One thing I really do like about your work is

577
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 2>that you are It's least it seems from your blogIn

578
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 2>from your your YouTube channel that you are not married

579
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to any one camera. You're not like, I'm only the

580
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>canon guy, I'm only a black magic I'm only an

581
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>icon guy. I'm only an airy guy. You you use

582
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>multiple cameras depending on your job. You can you suggest

583
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>or show people how or advice on how you could

584
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 2>pick the right camera for the right job, which I

585
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>think is so so important because I think sometimes they're

586
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>just trying to use a hammer to screw in a

587
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 2>light bulb. It's like it just because you love that hammer.

588
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>There are other tools.

589
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, that's yeah. Back in the Cannon days,

590
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I was approached to be one of our ambassadors and

591
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 3>I said no because I wanted to I didn't want

592
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 3>to be tied to any format. I had an independent voice.

593
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to lose that. And also I didn't

594
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 3>want to lose out on the fact that, you know,

595
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 3>other people are going to make cool cameras and they're fun.

596
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be like, oh, no, I can't

597
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 3>use this because I'm sign signed up with these guys.

598
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, I'm and I'm always going to be

599
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 3>like this because I I'm very fickle, and I will

600
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 3>fall in love with a camera and then something else

601
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 3>will come along and turn my head and go, oh,

602
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to use this now, and so yeah, I mean,

603
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to like photography, my main cameras are

604
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Pentax and Fuji cameras and so but when it comes

605
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 3>to video, my main video cameras are Sony. But I

606
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 3>also have Cannon ones as well, and I have lots

607
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 3>of different types of them. And I guess I am

608
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 3>lucky that I can be in that position of saying

609
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 3>the right tool for the right job. And obviously if

610
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 3>you you've only got one camera, then you are going

611
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 3>to be a little bit stuck and kind of that's

612
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 3>your your camera for the job. But if it's if

613
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 3>it's important, then I would certainly try, you know, and

614
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 3>rent it or find somebody who's got something that would

615
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 3>be more appropriate for your job, because you're right, it's

616
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 3>you see people using totally the wrong cameras when it

617
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 3>could be something as simple as you can have a

618
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 3>chuckle about it. But Soody trying to use a black

619
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 3>magic some mini for wedding videos. I'm like, you're crazy,

620
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 3>what are you trying to do? Yeah, well, I'm shooting.

621
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I can shoot raw, I can shoot raw. Like why

622
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 3>are you shooting raw in the first place for a

623
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 3>wedding video? And the camera that you can't put over

624
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 3>eight hundred IO and a wedding video with no control

625
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 3>of your lighting and probably no lights. Sure crazy, get

626
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 3>yourself at a seven s two, right, you know. And

627
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 3>so somebody who's, oh, I want to do you know,

628
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 3>some visual effects and it's all going to be green

629
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<v Speaker 3>screen and stuff like that, I'm shooting on an A

630
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 3>seven s And I'd be like, well, why that's the

631
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>wrong camera for you for in this. You should get

632
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 3>yourself Black Magic some mini because that shoots, and that

633
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 3>shoots ten bit progress, and that's going to be much

634
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.680
<v Speaker 3>better for you. And it's still pretty cheap. And you're

635
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 3>it's already in it's lip, it's already lit because it

636
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 3>has to be because in the studio and green screen,

637
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>so you have to worry about the fact that you

638
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 3>don't you can't push your eye so right, So, I mean,

639
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's that's the best thing about like the

640
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Black Magics is working in lit controlled locations. They do

641
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 3>really well with that, as long as you have to

642
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 3>push it too far. Because they're the cheapest cameras I

643
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 3>know of that have a terrific in built codec progress

644
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 3>and have raw if you need it. You know, having

645
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 3>to deal with all of these nasty compressed B frame

646
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 3>codecs all the time eight bit ones. When you get

647
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 3>camera that just shoots straight progress, it's like, oh no transcoding,

648
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh mate, this system works with it and I can

649
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 3>grade it. It doesn't fall apart. Wow, fantastic. So that's

650
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of what you need to look at, is what

651
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 3>But if you know, if you say, if you don't

652
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 3>have the camera, then it's a bit harder. I mean,

653
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 3>I interestingly, I read on reading Facebook today and the

654
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.159
<v Speaker 3>guy I know, and he was asking about time lapse.

655
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>It's got a red epic w and he's complaining about

656
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 3>the fact that the time lapse ability of the camera

657
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 3>is basically lacking in that you can't do more than

658
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 3>one frame a second, and so you can't do long exposures. Right,

659
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 3>it's all for the right job. This is a seventy thousand,

660
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is dollar camera, right, Just get a two

661
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollar DSLR and that's going to shoot raw, shoot

662
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 3>long exposures, shoot for everything you wanted to. Totally the

663
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 3>right job and doesn't tie up your seventy one thousand

664
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 3>dollar camera doing the time lapse.

665
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's yeah. I think a lot

666
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 2>of times filmmakers dps, they spend seventy grand on a

667
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 2>camera and they wanted to do everything and be perfect

668
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 2>for everything, and a lot of times you're right, you

669
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>have that ability in your work has shown it that

670
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you could just like you know what, yes, I have

671
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 2>a seventy thousand dollars camera, but you know it's like

672
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I have a porch, but I'm not going to drive

673
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>to the supermarket with the porch where I could easily

674
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>either just walk or or drive my prius. You know,

675
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just the right tool for the right job kind

676
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of thing.

677
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I suppose if you have spent

678
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 3>seventy thousand, you're kind of insistent on the fact that,

679
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 3>my god, I'm going to get every single last penny's

680
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 3>worth out of this camera, right. But you know, I

681
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.920
<v Speaker 3>said this in many times, and I've also got this

682
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 3>policy now of not wanting to I'm never going to

683
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 3>buy camera over ten thousand dollars again, and I've done

684
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.920
<v Speaker 3>that like three times now before that appen. And now

685
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.159
<v Speaker 3>it's just there's loads of great cameras sub ten thousand.

686
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Gods would do so much and if you need anything

687
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 3>more than just rent it because it's just not worth

688
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 3>it because they they get superseded so quickly these days,

689
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's just not really worth spending all that money,

690
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.679
<v Speaker 3>especially in a system that you could end up changing.

691
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, reds require so many bits and pieces and

692
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>maybe then you'll switch to Aria, who knows. But I

693
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 3>just think there's so many great cameras out there for

694
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 3>the sub that and just stick with that, really, unless

695
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 3>you're you're super rich because I bought the fifty five

696
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 3>and that was the last time I bought a really

697
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 3>expensive camera and I loved it. It was amazing. And

698
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 3>then the FS seven came out and it did everything

699
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I needed it to do for documentaries without me worrying

700
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.519
<v Speaker 3>about my hugely expensive camera being potentially damaged and stuff

701
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 3>like that. So I found that it was sitting on

702
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 3>the shelf right for like six months, hadn't really been touched,

703
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.400
<v Speaker 3>and the F seven was being used all the time,

704
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.440
<v Speaker 3>and so I sold it. And that was what I decided,

705
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 3>this is silly, I should you know, I'm not going

706
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>to buy the expensive camera again. So because the F

707
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 3>seven did everything I needed to do, it didn't shoot

708
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>raw easily, but it didn't matter because I didn't need

709
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Speaker 3>to shoot raw. Right.

710
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm a huge fan of the black Magic.

711
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I shut my feature on the two point five K

712
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Cinema and the Pocket is arguably some of the most

713
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>beautiful images come out of that little camera. You know, again,

714
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>right tool for the right job. You know, if I'm

715
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>going to go shoot an imax, this is not the

716
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>tool for you. But if you're creating this kind of

717
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>almost super sixteen style film look out of the box,

718
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that that little pocket camera is amazing, and the Earths

719
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of Many is one of the most underrated I think

720
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>cameras out there because it's not as sexy as the

721
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Red or the Alexa, but man, it has a bite.

722
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Would you agree?

723
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I haven't shot anything properly myself with the four

724
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 3>point sixth, so Mini I really liked what I got

725
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 3>with it, though I had definitely had issues with as

726
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 3>from a documentary background, with the fact that I in

727
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.559
<v Speaker 3>available lights. I knew it was going to come a cropper,

728
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 3>and there were some quirks here and there which slowed

729
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 3>me down. But I thought for the money, the image

730
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>was fantastic, and I've always found it disappointing that they

731
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 3>well they went with originally with the Earth, which was

732
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 3>the craziest camera. The first one was Yeah, that was funny.

733
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean I went to trade shows, yes, and I

734
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 3>remember the first time I picked it up, I just,

735
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, in front of them. They let me pick

736
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.960
<v Speaker 3>it up and I went the holy crap, and it went, yeah,

737
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.440
<v Speaker 3>we don't really consider this a handheld camera.

738
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what what kind of world do you live in?

739
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 3>What is that? It was every camera should be anything

740
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't we considered this a tripod camera. I'm like,

741
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 3>blind me, sure, studio camera is a tripod camera, but

742
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 3>this is crazy. But I just wish that developed the

743
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 3>pocket camera further. I wish version of that because that

744
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 3>really is I think it's my favorite camera that they

745
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 3>I bought from them. Yes, in size and form, but

746
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 3>I had lots of issues as well. But what it

747
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 3>gave you was astonishing in the package.

748
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I wish they would do four K. Like, if they

749
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>could do four K in that little camera with raw

750
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and proras and handle the they have battery issue, We'll

751
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>be right back after a word from our sponsor and

752
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>now back to the show. Just do something better with

753
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the battery. You have to plug in the juice box

754
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. Now with the juice box it

755
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>will run six seven hours. But still it's like a

756
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit more bulky. But God, that little camera is good.

757
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 2>The micropour thirds opens you up to so much glass,

758
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 2>especially vintage glass that I'm a big vintage glass guy,

759
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's gorgeous. It really is gorgeous. It is a

760
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>wonderful camera.

761
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a shame that they didn't really I know,

762
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>they just seem to just forgot it's forgotten about it.

763
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 3>And they have their micro camera whatever they call it.

764
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.360
<v Speaker 3>It's just not the same. It's not the same thing.

765
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.079
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if they'll ever go back to

766
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that mini Pro looks. I have never played with it.

767
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 3>It looks like it sold as many of the operational

768
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 3>issues they had with the previous one.

769
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 2>So they have solved that. I shot. I shot a

770
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>series with it, and I shot with the new one

771
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and the old one, uh both and they both worked

772
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>like champs. But the brand new one that they just

773
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>released with time code on the on the side and everything,

774
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>it's solved. It's a tank now. It really is a tank.

775
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you're right if you push it a

776
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>little too, it's not I always I did a test

777
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>between the Airy Alexa and the and they are so

778
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>mini and I shot them down the middle, and when

779
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 2>you shoot them down the middle, man, yeah, it's pretty

780
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>damn close. It's definitely not. You can tell it's not

781
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>worth spending eighty grand or whatever the Alexa costs now

782
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>comparatively down the middle. You just start seeing where the

783
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Alexa is worth it when you start pushing her, when

784
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 2>you start pushing on the darks and the highlights get

785
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>clipped a little bit. So if you go a little

786
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>bit up or down is where you start getting. But

787
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 2>if you should have down the middle, oh.

788
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>For your buck. Let me ask you though, if you

789
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 3>were given somebody said I'm gonna swap out your ursas

790
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 3>for Arietlexes HM for free, you'd go, Yeah, right, of

791
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 3>course you would, real would, because they're amazing. But I

792
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 3>get you're right, it's unless the only people I know

793
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 3>who who own Alexas who are smart bought Alexas are

794
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.679
<v Speaker 3>dps who rent them to the productions. Sure, so that's

795
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 3>those the people who should be buying Alexas. The rest

796
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 3>of us should be renting them in and when we

797
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 3>need them.

798
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Now, do you have any advice on how you

799
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 2>test a new camera? Which I know a lot of

800
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>filmmakers get their cameras and they really don't know how

801
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to push it or test it or you know, put

802
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 2>it through the through the ring or a little bit

803
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to see if it's even worth it.

804
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So for me, it's totally it's totally real world.

805
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 3>It's it's taking out of don't I don't. I don't

806
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 3>work in the studios as such. I do work indoors

807
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 3>and things like that, but I don't work in the studios,

808
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 3>So I want to see how it works with unpredictable lighting.

809
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 3>I want to see how it operates as a camera

810
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 3>is how slow is to figure out? I think the

811
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>last camera I tested was the Canon C two hundred

812
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 3>and I kind of I actually really like it. It's

813
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 3>a bit of a strange quirky camera in that it

814
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:16.639
<v Speaker 3>has a terrific in ability to record twelve bit raw internally,

815
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and yet the if you can't do raw, then you

816
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 3>have to do an eight bit right for coda, which

817
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 3>is so bizarre to have no middle ground. But I mean,

818
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.639
<v Speaker 3>we all know it's a Canon protecting its other cameras issue, right,

819
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 3>But other than that, it's actually really nice image and

820
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 3>a really nice camera. And for me, I just wanted

821
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 3>to see the things which that it was a selling

822
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 3>point really, which was the raw, the auto focus, and

823
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>just what the eight bit codec was like. So those

824
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.880
<v Speaker 3>are the kind of the headline features I was looking

825
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 3>at to see what they're like, and it's like when

826
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting their hands on the EVA one from Panasonic,

827
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 3>what I want to see is what this dual ico

828
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 3>is going to like what sort of noise levels am

829
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 3>I getting get? Because the setting point is that you

830
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 3>can shoot in low light conditions by switching to different

831
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 3>the higher native setting to want to see what that's like.

832
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of I look at the headline features

833
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 3>of the camera and go okay, I need to see

834
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 3>what this actually is like, and then as well do

835
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 3>the every day sort of bread and better type stuff

836
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 3>to see how it actually works for real use, because

837
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 3>obviously you need to if that it may well have

838
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 3>a really cool feature, but if it doesn't operate as

839
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 3>a camera well just generally, then it's a bit pointless.

840
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 3>And it takes me back to when I saw the

841
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 3>when the SNFs came out and it was going all

842
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 3>about all about how amazing the low light was, and

843
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 3>they release a video and it was I watched it

844
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, Okay, that looks nice. It's nicely

845
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>shot and it was like fishermen in Scotland or something,

846
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and it was all shot high ico and it showed

847
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 3>you come exactly what it was.

848
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Something like that.

849
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 3>It didn't look like nighttime. It looked like daytime or something,

850
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 3>which was fine, but because it was like that all

851
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 3>the way through I had no sense of any of

852
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 3>what it was doing. And so I got the camera

853
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 3>on loan from them just before it was released and went,

854
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 3>all right, I'm going to take this down down to

855
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Bryson in in south of England and then just really

856
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 3>just see what this is like. And so I did

857
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 3>a video and I shot it where I did. I

858
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 3>this is what it looks like to the eye, which

859
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 3>is like eight hundred IESO, and then I shot it

860
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 3>at twenty five thousand, six hundred IESO, which did turn

861
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 3>it into like daylight. Having this to having this ability

862
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to do this transition show this is what I see

863
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 3>and this is what this shows. And that's I mean,

864
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of a way to sell the cameras be Ablus,

865
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 3>because you saw straight away that was like ah, and

866
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 3>now I get it. I get it how amazing this

867
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 3>is because I didn't get it before because everything just

868
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 3>everything just looked okay, look fine. So it's that's kind

869
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 3>of what I when I'm looking at cameras, that's kind

870
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 3>of I just want to see what makes it special?

871
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, what are three of your go to lenses if

872
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you're on a desert island? I know, it's like picking

873
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>your children.

874
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 3>It's no, it's that question. You know, at least you

875
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't say one actually, one's easier, one's easier, and always

876
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:28.800
<v Speaker 3>you didn't tell me which size, censor, which sense we're

877
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 3>talking here.

878
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Let's say let's say full frame, okay.

879
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 3>All right, then that's easier. So I would say a

880
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Speaker 3>fifty millimeter is my first lens with that question, because

881
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 3>it's the relative field of view of what we see

882
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 3>with our eyes. So I do love that standard field

883
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 3>of view, and I can shoot pretty much everything on that.

884
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 3>And then it gets really tricky because my favorite walkaround

885
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 3>lens is a thirty five.

886
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Meal Which would brand of that? Which brand?

887
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.199
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I don't really have any you talk

888
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 3>my focal lens or brands.

889
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Brands, brand brand, like like the canon nikore.

890
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 3>This is getting really hard then, So if you you know,

891
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 3>if you want really beautiful sharp images, then the Sigma

892
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Art lenses are fantastic. If you want they are incredibly

893
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 3>But if you want some you know a little bit

894
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.599
<v Speaker 3>more character than sure, some of the older Nichols are

895
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.679
<v Speaker 3>always good for that sort of thing. Nice and cheap.

896
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you use a lot of do you use a

897
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of vintage class or do you ever play with

898
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it occasionally?

899
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Not as much as I used to. I used to.

900
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 3>These days I tend to use a lot more more

901
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 3>detailed sharper lenses, but I still I still do you know,

902
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>when I'm doing any lens waking free lensing, are using

903
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 3>my old glass and a lot more for stills. I

904
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 3>do for stills as well, but for video probably less so.

905
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.760
<v Speaker 3>But I don't really know. It's a horrible question to

906
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 3>ask because I just love really I love long telephotos

907
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:15.719
<v Speaker 3>as well.

908
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, it's the right tool for the right job.

909
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's like it's a tough it's a tough question.

910
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Someone asked me. I have a couple of ones is

911
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that I go to all the time, But and there's

912
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of fun ones that I play with, like

913
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I have Actually.

914
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Huh, Canon got a great one that I recently bought

915
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 3>seventy to three hundred. Yes, it's not a contentt aperture.

916
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not their white one. It's their their non l

917
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 3>series one. But it's new ish like last year, and

918
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 3>it's not that expensive. It's got crazy fast, all the

919
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 3>focus for doing stills and build quality is great. It's

920
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 3>light and the optics are great. It gives you a

921
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 3>huge range.

922
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 2>So what's the how fast is it?

923
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.639
<v Speaker 3>It's three five to five six.

924
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, okay, so it's outdoors.

925
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's an outdoor lens. But you know, if you

926
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 3>want a lens which is you know, you're gonna limit

927
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 3>me to three and cheap with a long, big, long

928
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.039
<v Speaker 3>zoom that's going to cover a big range. They still

929
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 3>have a fast fifty mil for my primes and then

930
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 3>wide angles. I love my big white angles as well,

931
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 3>but you know, I think my biggest wide angle I've

932
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 3>got that is not for shy is ten meal, which

933
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 3>is ridiculous. And that's a void lander. So you have

934
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 3>one avoid I don't know it's it's it's boy lend

935
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 3>and make amazing glassy. But that ten mel is like

936
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I bring it with and I put it on and

937
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I take a couple of shots with it. I think

938
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 3>I've shot video with it twice, maybe briefly because it's

939
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 3>too wide. Well, it's just ridiculous. It's it's it's it's

940
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 3>an effect lens. So my favorite actual white, my favorite

941
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 3>focal lengths for doing white is actually around twenty four

942
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four mil.

943
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Around we'll be right back after a word from our

944
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>sponsor and now back to the show.

945
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do like wide with that, but it's you know,

946
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 3>it's it can just find myself a little bit too

947
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 3>It can be a little bit too wide. So twenty

948
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 3>four is a is a good sort of middle ground.

949
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's Sigma make a great twenty four mil point four.

950
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 3>They make a twenty mil as well.

951
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Their eighteen or thirty five is amazing their art lens.

952
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you've got for crop sensors, that actually eighteen

953
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 3>thirty five is fantastic. Yeah, so I and I give

954
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 3>you a twenty that gives you a twenty four to

955
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 3>twenty four to seventy four favorite equivalent. So it's a

956
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 3>great lens.

957
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, if you want to talk about why, my favorite

958
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>wide I have is the Knoptic five point seven micro

959
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 2>four thirds. But it doesn't fish. It doesn't fish eye.

960
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 3>That's impressive.

961
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It's the it's the Kubri glens. It's what he shows.

962
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 2>The big brother of that is the nine point eight,

963
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>which is for thirty five. That one is for sixteen.

964
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>So I use it with the pocket and with the pocket.

965
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's amazing, but it doesn't fish eye. So

966
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>if you remember the sines from the shining in the yeah,

967
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that's all shot with the Kinnoptic, as well as the

968
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.719
<v Speaker 2>right before the rape scene and clockwork orange that was

969
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>shot with the Kinnoptic. It's one of his it was

970
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 2>one of his go to lenses in his in the series.

971
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's gorgeous. It's such a gorgeous lens. Sorry, we're

972
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 2>geeking out.

973
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 3>That's oh no, I mean I do love my white

974
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 3>angles and say no I bought the ten and stuff

975
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 3>like that. But yeah, it's sort of like a sixteen

976
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 3>thirty five zoom is always a good as a good yes,

977
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's one of these things if people ask

978
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 3>for advice and they say, what three lenses should I buy?

979
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.559
<v Speaker 3>My advice tends to be. Of course, first question is

980
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 3>how much money you got. There's no point given them

981
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 3>any advice because it's such a you know, it's an

982
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 3>impossible question to answer. Let's talk about it.

983
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 2>There's and lenses and what kind of what camera you're

984
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>going to be using it on or what a you're

985
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>going to do it shooting film or video, I mean,

986
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>or photo or motion. It's yeah, it's it's a very

987
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 2>big question has many multiple answers. Now, do you have

988
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>any tips?

989
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 3>Wet good, Yeah, I just I mean just with the

990
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 3>five D, it just it's it hasn't really changed. It's

991
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 3>in five D. It's simply you have the three three zooms.

992
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.440
<v Speaker 3>You're sixteen thirty five or twenty four to seventy seventy

993
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 3>two hundred. That covers everything, and then you have a

994
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 3>fast prime for everything else. You're fifty one point four

995
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of what you need to go. But

996
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 3>that's thousands, you know, it's you if you're shooting documentaries,

997
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 3>you kind of want that flexibility. If you're shooting features

998
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and narrative type stuff, then you can shoot on primes

999
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and not because the joy of a zoom is the

1000
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 3>speed which you need when you're shooting documentary, you don't

1001
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 3>have to worry about that. Then you can you can

1002
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:53.519
<v Speaker 3>go with cheaper, more vintage primes. So it's a massive question.

1003
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a whole podcast in itself. Now, let's talk

1004
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about your masterclass. You knew the new

1005
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 2>course that you put together for m Z.

1006
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1007
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about what the course is about and

1008
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>what students can expect in the class.

1009
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's I would say, it's pretty much my twenty

1010
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 3>seven years of experience and knowledge as much as possible,

1011
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 3>just distilled into effective what it's like nine episodes, one, three, one,

1012
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 3>and eight main episodes, it like runs to like nine

1013
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 3>and a half hours or so, and it's I just

1014
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 3>want to Initially m Z asked me to do something

1015
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 3>about drones, and I went, yeah, cool, but I don't

1016
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 3>think that's going to be There's no way I can

1017
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 3>possibly feel much more than you know, a couple of

1018
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 3>hours just on that, And I said, then I made

1019
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 3>the mistake suggesting what if I did it about everything,

1020
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.960
<v Speaker 3>everything that I do, every type of filming style that

1021
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I do, And it went yeah cool. And so then

1022
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I realized just what I was letting myself in for

1023
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 3>because I started breaking it down before. I should have

1024
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 3>done that before I suggested it to them. Initially it

1025
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 3>was going to be a six hour course, and by

1026
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Speaker 3>the time I started editing, I was like, guys, it's

1027
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 3>going to be a lot longer than six hours, because

1028
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I knew that when I was filming it that it

1029
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 3>was going to get bigger and bigger and bigger, because

1030
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 3>once you start talking about a subject, you realize you

1031
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 3>need to go down a path. So when I was

1032
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 3>breaking it down in pre production, is what we needed

1033
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 3>to do and figure out which episodes, what topics we

1034
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 3>should cover. That was kind of you know where I realized,

1035
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was a very good thing to actually

1036
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 3>make discipline wise, because it did require a lot of

1037
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.119
<v Speaker 3>pre production. Otherwise it just was not going to be

1038
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 3>a practical thing to shoot because it's big enough as

1039
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 3>it was. And so I went through the topic that

1040
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I really wanted to cover. The first one is that

1041
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 3>the first episode is quite dull in respect because it's

1042
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.559
<v Speaker 3>just me and my kitchen, but it's me explaining all

1043
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:55.000
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff you actually do need to understand before

1044
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 3>you go out and shoot, which is all the technical stuff,

1045
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of history, is why we're using these cameras,

1046
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.920
<v Speaker 3>and some of the flaw the problems we can have

1047
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 3>with them. So it's going through everything you needed to know.

1048
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 3>It squeezed into an hour and twenty minutes, and then

1049
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I went out and then I realized that the next

1050
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.400
<v Speaker 3>episode was okay, and I've got all that stuff out

1051
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 3>of the way, I can just focus on being creative.

1052
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And then it was I've never really competition is one

1053
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 3>of these things that's been very natural to me, and

1054
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 3>I've always been asked how can I improve my composition,

1055
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.400
<v Speaker 3>And I'm always like, well, you can always read books

1056
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.119
<v Speaker 3>and to understand how what you're looking for a competition,

1057
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 3>But then you need to then you need to experiment,

1058
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.400
<v Speaker 3>and then you need to watch movies and TVs shows

1059
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 3>and see how they do things and see what you like.

1060
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 3>And so that's kind of why the first episode. So

1061
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 3>the second episode was all about showing what different lenses do,

1062
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 3>and showing how cool a long tele photo can be

1063
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:58.719
<v Speaker 3>on a subject and bringing a background closer to a

1064
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 3>person and the effect it can have compared to say

1065
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 3>a standard lens and a wide angle lens, and then

1066
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 3>showing people how to move the camera, when not to

1067
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 3>move the camera, showing all these toys that can distract

1068
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.559
<v Speaker 3>you when to use them. I mean, it was just

1069
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 3>so much in this course, and I think it's one

1070
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 3>of these things that if you look at the list

1071
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 3>of the topics that only really explains half of what

1072
00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 3>you're learning, or not even that from just what it is.

1073
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 3>So like people will say, oh, there's no episode on lighting.

1074
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well no, because lighting is in every single

1075
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:38.559
<v Speaker 3>every episode, same with sound sounded in every episode. I

1076
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to do one because it's all filmed on

1077
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 3>location to tackle things real world, much like I've always

1078
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:46.679
<v Speaker 3>I always want to do my reviews, and it was

1079
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:48.800
<v Speaker 3>like an extension of that I wanted to show. Okay,

1080
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.079
<v Speaker 3>so I'm going to did this episode is about interviews,

1081
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.400
<v Speaker 3>So this is how you deal with going to location

1082
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 3>and you know you don't have the right room. You've

1083
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.360
<v Speaker 3>got to work with the light. What are the issues

1084
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.119
<v Speaker 3>with the lights, what's the problems with the sound we

1085
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 3>have here? What could our background be? And it was

1086
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 3>really trying to take things as realistically as possible and

1087
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 3>and literally having real problems that I had to solve

1088
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 3>during the actual shoots and showing them how I would

1089
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 3>deal with it. So that was kind of what I

1090
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:17.320
<v Speaker 3>was trying to get with it.

1091
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm excited to watch it myself, and I'll definitely

1092
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 2>put all the information in the show notes for this

1093
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 2>episode for everyone to.

1094
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:26.239
<v Speaker 3>Take a look at.

1095
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Now, I have a few more questions. If you have

1096
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 2>some time, sure, yeah, sure, you've traveled pretty much all

1097
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.639
<v Speaker 2>over the planet at this point in your career. Do

1098
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you have any travel hacks for filmmakers in what respect,

1099
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 2>in the words of traveling, packing, getting things through, I mean, like,

1100
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting cheaper deals, or even just even be

1101
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 2>able to pack all your gear, what gear to bring with,

1102
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>don't overpack everything like there's a bunch of stuff. Any

1103
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 2>tips at all, because I know in today's world travel

1104
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>traveling with a bunch of gear and keeping it safe,

1105
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and you're walking around with twenty thousand bucks on your backpack,

1106
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like.

1107
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.719
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty It's the worst thing about my job by

1108
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:18.159
<v Speaker 3>far is the traveling. It's not that it's not it's

1109
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 3>the traveling bit itself. It's not being in other places

1110
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.960
<v Speaker 3>that's the coolest bit. Sure, it's the getting there is

1111
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 3>the worst bit. And it's the most stressful thing is

1112
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 3>packing and figuring out what you need your weight allouantism.

1113
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Whenever I'm booked on jobs, you know, I need to

1114
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 3>look at flights routes and see who flies there, because

1115
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 3>I know which airlines have the better baggage policies. Your

1116
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 3>new lucky. You live in the States and you think

1117
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 3>you have bad baggage policies there, you do not. Yours

1118
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:52.400
<v Speaker 3>are great. Even your worst baggage allowance. Positive policy with

1119
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 3>an airline is amazingly compared to what we have to

1120
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 3>do with here. There's like two airlines that fly out

1121
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:05.559
<v Speaker 3>that out of the UK airlines, British Airways and Virgin Atlantic,

1122
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 3>who charge you per bag. Everybody else charges you per

1123
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 3>kilo ah, so that is where things start getting crazy expensive.

1124
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 3>So I think the most I've ever spent on excess

1125
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 3>baggage probably about three and a half thousand pounds each way.

1126
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Three and a half thousand pounds.

1127
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that was it was a job in Japan

1128
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 3>and the client had insisted on flying via Amsterdam with

1129
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 3>KLM kalem charge per kilo and I told them this

1130
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.760
<v Speaker 3>is expensive, and they didn't listen to me, and then

1131
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.360
<v Speaker 3>they had to pay it. And so you choose the

1132
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 3>airlines for a reason. It's it's worth if you're flying

1133
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 3>internally in the US. So if so, if I fly

1134
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to the US, you get like two bags as a

1135
00:59:58.480 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 3>minium allowance.

1136
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1137
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.039
<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

1138
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 3>But if you fly anywhere else from from London, you'd

1139
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.719
<v Speaker 3>get one bag. So I guess you guys are just

1140
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 3>managed negotiate a better thing.

1141
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.519
<v Speaker 2>And we think it's horrible. It's absolutely true.

1142
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's worth if you can get some media

1143
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.400
<v Speaker 3>creditation because there's a number of airlines which give you

1144
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:37.480
<v Speaker 3>better deals. Southwestern, Delta, United, a couple of others. There's

1145
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:38.920
<v Speaker 3>a few of them out there, which you know, if

1146
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.079
<v Speaker 3>you've got proper media creditation, can save you a lot.

1147
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean Delta will also, you know, are quite good

1148
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 3>in that they will let you. I think it's like

1149
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.639
<v Speaker 3>fifty bucks. It will probably change like fifty bucks per

1150
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 3>bag up to one hundred pounds, which is crazy. But

1151
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.840
<v Speaker 3>just remember that the important stuff always has to be

1152
01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 3>carried with you and were supposed to carry out o

1153
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:07.079
<v Speaker 3>lithium ion batteries carry on luggage. So know your rights

1154
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 3>with the airlines, because I guarantee you they don't know

1155
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 3>your rights, so you will. They will tell you something

1156
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 3>and like actually know if you look at the policy

1157
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.719
<v Speaker 3>on your website, this shows you what you're allowed and

1158
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.760
<v Speaker 3>they go, let me check on my then they go

1159
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.679
<v Speaker 3>and then they'll confer with somebody else. So this happens

1160
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.239
<v Speaker 3>all the time. So you need to understand what you

1161
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 3>are allowed and what you can't do. If you know,

1162
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:34.440
<v Speaker 3>it comes to batteries. You've got to be careful about

1163
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 3>the what hours you have on some of the drone batteries,

1164
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 3>some of the larger camera batteries you can you can

1165
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 3>take like two per person, so make sure you fly

1166
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.239
<v Speaker 3>with somebody else who can help you out with that.

1167
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 3>I do check a lot of expensive stuff. You have

1168
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:56.960
<v Speaker 3>to because of you know, you carry on limits what

1169
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.719
<v Speaker 3>you can take sure. And I don't don't use Pelly

1170
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:07.199
<v Speaker 3>cases of Pelican cases. The simple reason being is yes,

1171
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:11.840
<v Speaker 3>they offer great protection, but they look expensive yep and

1172
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:19.199
<v Speaker 3>stealable yep. And so my luggage looks really unfilmed gear

1173
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.960
<v Speaker 3>like it's still really protected inside, it just doesn't look

1174
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 3>like it looks like average luggage. And if you know,

1175
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.239
<v Speaker 3>if you can get the pinkest, most colorful, garage looking

1176
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 3>luggage with Hello Kitty stickers on, do it, do it

1177
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.960
<v Speaker 3>because it doesn't look valuable and nobody's going to steal it.

1178
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.599
<v Speaker 2>That's great advice. Actually, that's awesome advice.

1179
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I really think Pelly should Pelicans should make a series

1180
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:51.679
<v Speaker 3>of Yeah, you know, when I have had to fly

1181
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:54.199
<v Speaker 3>with with the hard cases, whether it be like for

1182
01:02:54.559 --> 01:03:00.079
<v Speaker 3>Moby or a drone in an Inspire, then I of

1183
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.199
<v Speaker 3>them with stickers like superheroes and stuff like that. Really

1184
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:06.280
<v Speaker 3>do those hard cases got Superman stickers on everything? It

1185
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't look like professional film go anymore. Trying to

1186
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 3>disguise it as much as possible, got it. It's there's

1187
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 3>it's a big old topic and it's a difficult one

1188
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 3>and it's and then you get because certain countries will

1189
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 3>need you if you're taking professional film gear in to

1190
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 3>be to have a proper document a karne, which costs

1191
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:27.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of money, and you need to have everything

1192
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 3>itemized and listed. But some countries won't accept that, and

1193
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:34.239
<v Speaker 3>you have to negotiate with them beforehand or find out

1194
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.599
<v Speaker 3>what you needed to have there. And this is why

1195
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.639
<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's it's really nice just to go with a

1196
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.320
<v Speaker 3>small d S last style camera and just try and

1197
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 3>not be obvious. If if it's difficult, it's going to

1198
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:50.519
<v Speaker 3>be all too expensive to have that, then it's try

1199
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 3>and go in. But you are always going to have

1200
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.039
<v Speaker 3>a risk if you are doing a paid job and

1201
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 3>you're trying to trying to cut corners and not get

1202
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 3>a karne and go as a tourist and not get

1203
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 3>the correct visa and you your gear gets stopped and

1204
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 3>doesn't get brought in that's your fault. And it's just

1205
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:07.920
<v Speaker 3>one of these things. If you're doing it for a client,

1206
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.320
<v Speaker 3>you have to pass on these costs to them, explain

1207
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 3>to them, Okay, well we're going here and we need this,

1208
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 3>and it's just one of the things. Flying is just

1209
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:21.480
<v Speaker 3>absolutely horrendous, and you know, there's I'm really got every day.

1210
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's always a new story about how the

1211
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:26.480
<v Speaker 3>FAA or where it is are going to change what

1212
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 3>we can check, you know, the saying anything with any

1213
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.239
<v Speaker 3>lifting mind battery cannot be checked. Uh and then you

1214
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:36.599
<v Speaker 3>and then no camera can be checked, and it's kind

1215
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of like no professional electronic gear can be checked. And

1216
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.559
<v Speaker 3>like at some point soon if this goes down this road,

1217
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we'll ever be able to fly abroad

1218
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.840
<v Speaker 3>without gear anymore. We'll just have the era of the

1219
01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.159
<v Speaker 3>rental company is going to be there because everybody, they're

1220
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna have to have a major rental outlet every single city,

1221
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.960
<v Speaker 3>in every single place because we can't fly with anything,

1222
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:01.679
<v Speaker 3>which terrible if that ever happens. But yeah, it's I

1223
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 3>hate it. I hate it so much. I always bring

1224
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 3>too much, always brings too much, So make it. The

1225
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.519
<v Speaker 3>best advice I'd say is just make a list beforehand

1226
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:17.880
<v Speaker 3>and just bring what you need, maybe you know, a

1227
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.199
<v Speaker 3>couple of backup things as much as possible, like a issue.

1228
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:24.239
<v Speaker 3>I always have a second camera just in case. But

1229
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 3>the kind of the obvious stuff really.

1230
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, batteries always bring bad extra batteries. Oh god, chah, batteries,

1231
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.039
<v Speaker 2>betteries batteries. Now what advice would you give a filmmaker

1232
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.880
<v Speaker 2>wanting to break into the business today?

1233
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I guess the first question is why do you

1234
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 3>want to as long as you doing it for the

1235
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 3>right reasons, and that's great. It's not you know, you

1236
01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 3>know very well, it's not a business to get rich

1237
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:50.039
<v Speaker 3>into it.

1238
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna says, it's not rich and famous. That's

1239
01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:53.159
<v Speaker 2>not the reason why to get in.

1240
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.159
<v Speaker 3>No go and become a banker or something. I don't know.

1241
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.400
<v Speaker 3>You if you just want to do something creative and

1242
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 3>you because you get into it because you want to

1243
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 3>be creative. So that's my best advice to start with.

1244
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 3>And it's a tricky thing. It's one of these things

1245
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.880
<v Speaker 3>that and I think this is kind of partly why

1246
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 3>it's so good to have this course that I've done

1247
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.599
<v Speaker 3>with m z is. It's whilst it's not a film

1248
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:27.400
<v Speaker 3>score replacement, it condenses all of my knowledge into this

1249
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.079
<v Speaker 3>one thing. So people watch it then they can get

1250
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 3>You're not going to become a filmmaker from watching this,

1251
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:36.000
<v Speaker 3>but you're going to get a lot of knowledge from it,

1252
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.039
<v Speaker 3>and hopefully use that knowledge to find your own style

1253
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and voice and know how to do things a bit better,

1254
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:43.440
<v Speaker 3>because that's what you're going to need to do. You're

1255
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.480
<v Speaker 3>going to need to be patient, which a lot of

1256
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.800
<v Speaker 3>people aren't these days. There's too much like wanting stuff

1257
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.840
<v Speaker 3>to happen overnight. I think my best example of this

1258
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 3>was a guy did so I do this, I do

1259
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 3>some private tuition with people. I remember this guy emailed

1260
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.599
<v Speaker 3>me saying he wanted to get to make a short

1261
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.239
<v Speaker 3>film to be entered into next year's can Film Festival,

1262
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.599
<v Speaker 3>and he wants some training for that. I'm like interesting,

1263
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.840
<v Speaker 3>so I asked him to tell me. It's a really

1264
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.840
<v Speaker 3>strange way of actually wording things anyone else. I want

1265
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:20.440
<v Speaker 3>to make sure.

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01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm a similar to the askers. It's similar to the askers.

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01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like to win an Oscar, so I'd like

1268
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.239
<v Speaker 3>to do some training with you, like I have not

1269
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 3>won an oscar. So I'm the wrong person, so don't

1270
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 3>come to me. But I said to him, so what

1271
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.519
<v Speaker 3>do you want to do? What do you want to

1272
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:36.920
<v Speaker 3>learn from? So? I want to get a grounding of, like,

1273
01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, things which can help me make be able

1274
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:44.320
<v Speaker 3>to make this film. So what experience do you have? None,

1275
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.719
<v Speaker 3>I've never used a camera, I've never made a film.

1276
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh good, but I've seen lots of films. So I

1277
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 3>then said to him, well, I don't know how long

1278
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.000
<v Speaker 3>you're expecting training wise from me, but.

1279
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:01.519
<v Speaker 2>You got ten years past.

1280
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.000
<v Speaker 3>What sort of how long do you expect? What do

1281
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 3>you want from me exactly? And he said maybe how

1282
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:11.519
<v Speaker 3>much would it cost for two hours of training?

1283
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you gotta be kidding, I replied.

1284
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 3>To him, And when you know that's not going to

1285
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.479
<v Speaker 3>be enough? And then he replied saying all about four.

1286
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 3>And that's where the conversation. I felt it felt like

1287
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 3>a practical joke, but it wasn't. It was been deadly serious.

1288
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.479
<v Speaker 3>And it's one of the things you've got to be

1289
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.079
<v Speaker 3>so patient with And you've got to work your ass

1290
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 3>off for years, two for years, for years, yeah, absolutely

1291
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:42.119
<v Speaker 3>years before you're you know, I when I left Sky,

1292
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 3>I was senior cameraman, and you know, I couldn't go

1293
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.279
<v Speaker 3>any further at the company without going to management and

1294
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:52.960
<v Speaker 3>leaving the camera behind. And then when I left, I

1295
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to do news anymore. So I had to

1296
01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 3>start completely again from the bottom. And it took me

1297
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.640
<v Speaker 3>four years to start getting the work that I really

1298
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:02.079
<v Speaker 3>wanted to.

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01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Do, even after being seventeen years and another aspect of

1300
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 2>the business exactly.

1301
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 3>So it's and now there's a huge amount of more

1302
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:17.000
<v Speaker 3>competition than there was even eleven years ago. So you've

1303
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 3>got to be really patient and you've you've got to

1304
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 3>be obviously, you've got to have talent. You've got to

1305
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.920
<v Speaker 3>have the ability to sell yourself as well. And it's

1306
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.399
<v Speaker 3>not something to be embarrassed about and talk about, not

1307
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 3>talk about. You know, it's a business, after all, Any job,

1308
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.920
<v Speaker 3>any job where you are selling yourself and your skills,

1309
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:39.399
<v Speaker 3>it's a business, and you have to be able to

1310
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.359
<v Speaker 3>sell yourself. I remember I work with this guy who

1311
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:47.439
<v Speaker 3>was such a talented director and filmmaker, but wasn't doing

1312
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:49.640
<v Speaker 3>anywhere near the work he should be because he just

1313
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 3>was a terrible salesman. So you've got to have that

1314
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 3>skill as well, find good people to work with. Try

1315
01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:59.760
<v Speaker 3>and network as much as you can with people.

1316
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1317
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure you know a Facebook group is not

1319
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.319
<v Speaker 3>the same as proper networking. Whilst it can be useful,

1320
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:23.399
<v Speaker 3>it's just there's so much noise on there. Everything it

1321
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.039
<v Speaker 3>has become so diluted. It's much much much harder to

1322
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:33.960
<v Speaker 3>find clear voices. Yep, listen to. But at the end

1323
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 3>of the day, if you can make it in this

1324
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:40.159
<v Speaker 3>as a business then as a career, then fantastic, because

1325
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:42.000
<v Speaker 3>it is for me. It's the greatest thing in the

1326
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.119
<v Speaker 3>world to be able to be able to do what

1327
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I would do if you weren't paying me, and pay

1328
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.800
<v Speaker 3>me for stuff as well, that's great, but you've got

1329
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.439
<v Speaker 3>to understand that most of the time that you get paid,

1330
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.319
<v Speaker 3>you won't like what you're doing. You won't like the

1331
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:03.399
<v Speaker 3>work that you're producing. Yes and that, and let it

1332
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.960
<v Speaker 3>go and then do stuff for yourself to have that

1333
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 3>creative fulfillment. Because when you're doing a corporate for some guy,

1334
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:13.720
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna you know, you're gonna look at it, oh God,

1335
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:16.479
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to tell and you're working for them.

1336
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.159
<v Speaker 3>You're not. You're not. They're not hiring you to make

1337
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.640
<v Speaker 3>a Philip Bloom film. They're hiring you to make a film.

1338
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.319
<v Speaker 3>They're they're the client. You make it for them, and yeah,

1339
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 3>you've got to make it as good as you possibly can.

1340
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.039
<v Speaker 3>They probably come to you because they've seen something that

1341
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 3>you've done right. But at the end of the day,

1342
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:37.920
<v Speaker 3>you are going to find that you are not going

1343
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:40.680
<v Speaker 3>to love what's been done with your what you may

1344
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:42.640
<v Speaker 3>necessarily or what's been done with your work again, and

1345
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 3>you just have to accept that and move on now.

1346
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:49.000
<v Speaker 3>And you always still give everything to it, just because

1347
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:52.479
<v Speaker 3>it is not just so crappy thing. Still give everything

1348
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.399
<v Speaker 3>to it, because you can still be you can still

1349
01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.960
<v Speaker 3>be created, you can still get so much out of

1350
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 3>it yourself. And when you get home, you don't feel like,

1351
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:04.520
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, what a terrible day. I had to

1352
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:07.760
<v Speaker 3>film this worst call center ever. It was awful lighting

1353
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.520
<v Speaker 3>and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1354
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. But if you've made an effort and made

1355
01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:14.479
<v Speaker 3>it look good, then you can come home and go

1356
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.640
<v Speaker 3>and you put yourself in a drink and go, I

1357
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.520
<v Speaker 3>deserve this because I made that look good and you're happy.

1358
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:21.720
<v Speaker 3>You want to come home and feel bitter?

1359
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Ever, oh god, yes, And there are a lot of

1360
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.520
<v Speaker 2>bitter filmmakers out there with our question because they've fallen

1361
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:29.920
<v Speaker 2>into that trap. And when I spoke to I worked

1362
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.399
<v Speaker 2>with Robert Forrester, and he gave a great piece of advice,

1363
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:37.239
<v Speaker 2>which is like, no matter how small the job, give yourself,

1364
01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:39.119
<v Speaker 2>give it one hundred and ten percent because you never

1365
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.279
<v Speaker 2>know who's watching. You never know who's on set or

1366
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.279
<v Speaker 2>who will see that work and maybe hire you for

1367
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:46.279
<v Speaker 2>another job somewhere else.

1368
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Even then, even that client, they may give you this

1369
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:52.359
<v Speaker 3>really terrible job. Yep, and then they see, oh my god,

1370
01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:54.960
<v Speaker 3>this was really bad, and I can't believe how good

1371
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 3>you made this. You're perfect for this job that we

1372
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.199
<v Speaker 3>have for six months in the schells right, oh right?

1373
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Great in that you never know, you never know, Yeah,

1374
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:06.840
<v Speaker 3>you never know what you're gonna get.

1375
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, what's the lesson that took you the longest to learn,

1376
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:10.840
<v Speaker 2>whether in the film business or in life.

1377
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, don't kill yourself with work. Take set yourself time.

1378
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Where you stop now my edit suite is I have

1379
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:34.720
<v Speaker 3>a home edit Suite, which is financially convenient and obviously

1380
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.159
<v Speaker 3>nice and handy. There's no commute for me when I'm editing.

1381
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:44.119
<v Speaker 3>But that divide between work and life is really it's difficult.

1382
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:48.199
<v Speaker 3>And so when I am editing, apart from I mean

1383
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:50.079
<v Speaker 3>when I was cutting the MZ series, mind you, I

1384
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.359
<v Speaker 3>had to break this most times because I was working

1385
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 3>stupid long hours editing. But for most jobs I kind

1386
01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:00.319
<v Speaker 3>of set myself. You know, if it's a six stay

1387
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.439
<v Speaker 3>at seven pm, I'm like, okay, then we'll work after

1388
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.800
<v Speaker 3>seven and be disciplined about it. Discipline that your start time,

1389
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 3>disiplinned about your finished time, and make sure you give

1390
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 3>yourself time to see your your girlfriend, your wife, boyfriend,

1391
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:18.479
<v Speaker 3>your husband, your friends, your children, make sure you have

1392
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:23.239
<v Speaker 3>a life. I very rarely work weekends now unless the

1393
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 3>shoot demands it or you know, I have to go somewhere,

1394
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 3>so I will down tools that weekend. Yeah, you still

1395
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 3>find me with a camera, You're still find me flying

1396
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.800
<v Speaker 3>a drone or taking photos somewhere. But that's me. That's

1397
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:40.359
<v Speaker 3>my own time. And if you can find yourself a

1398
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:45.640
<v Speaker 3>girlfriend who likes doing it with you, that is good.

1399
01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 3>And Sarah Loves Loves shooting and she loves all that

1400
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 3>stuff as well, So that really does help. But I

1401
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:57.359
<v Speaker 3>think it's really important to get your work life balance right.

1402
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 3>And it took me probably a twenty years or so

1403
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:06.039
<v Speaker 3>to start realizing how off it was. Yes, and now

1404
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I work way less than I used to, Right, I

1405
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:11.960
<v Speaker 3>probably work I probably worked half as much as I

1406
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.239
<v Speaker 3>used to two years ago. So yeah, I earn a

1407
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.399
<v Speaker 3>lot less, but I'm a lot happier, and that's really

1408
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:24.239
<v Speaker 3>that's it is priceless. It also makes my work better

1409
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:25.399
<v Speaker 3>because I'm happier.

1410
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very illescent.

1411
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's probably the best thing I've learned.

1412
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.439
<v Speaker 3>It took me a long time to learn it. I'm

1413
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.079
<v Speaker 3>very stubborn, but eventually figured it out.

1414
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I feel you one hundred percent. I try to I

1415
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.359
<v Speaker 2>do exactly all those things. I don't work weekends, and

1416
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I have a specific time I come in and a

1417
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:46.039
<v Speaker 2>specific time I come out every day. Because everyone always asks,

1418
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.520
<v Speaker 2>how do you create so much content?

1419
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:48.720
<v Speaker 3>How do you? You know?

1420
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Run this this, you know this big blog and do

1421
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.159
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff you do and have twins and have

1422
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:56.479
<v Speaker 2>a family and all this, Like you got to you

1423
01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:58.079
<v Speaker 2>got to do exactly what you said, got to be

1424
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>very strict with yourself, and I repressed.

1425
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean you've got kids. I mean I haven't got

1426
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:05.800
<v Speaker 3>kids yet, and I don't even know how I'll cope

1427
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.279
<v Speaker 3>with having kids as well, apart from my probably just

1428
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 3>filmed them a lot.

1429
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they were probably the most documented children in history.

1430
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 3>With our question, I think they probably will. Yeah.

1431
01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 2>And last question, what are three of your favorite films

1432
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:17.600
<v Speaker 2>of all time?

1433
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh? I think that's an impossible question just today today?

1434
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:23.119
<v Speaker 2>What do you feel like today?

1435
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh? I still want to go with Empare Strikes Back

1436
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:32.560
<v Speaker 3>is always in my top three.

1437
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely it was.

1438
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.039
<v Speaker 3>That was one of the first films I ever saw

1439
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:40.880
<v Speaker 3>as a kid where I still remember the emotional reaction

1440
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.199
<v Speaker 3>I had coming out of that, and it's still watch

1441
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:46.640
<v Speaker 3>it today and I still feel, Wow, this is incredible.

1442
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm also a huge Alfred Hitchcock fan, yes, and find

1443
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.000
<v Speaker 3>it difficult to pick a favorite, but again, I think

1444
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:00.840
<v Speaker 3>for the emotional impact and maybe I'm it's another film

1445
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 3>with a downer ending that's Vertigo, but it's just such

1446
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.960
<v Speaker 3>an incredible film in every way. I think I'm just

1447
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:12.439
<v Speaker 3>thinking of all my favorites, all such downer endings. I

1448
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:15.159
<v Speaker 3>don't know why I actually like happy endings of films.

1449
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.960
<v Speaker 3>I like things that I want to I don't want

1450
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:19.760
<v Speaker 3>to feel like like I felt at the end of

1451
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:26.000
<v Speaker 3>seven Every time I see a film just like, I mean,

1452
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:32.279
<v Speaker 3>that's finisher for Gone Girl, I'm like, totally crap. You know,

1453
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:33.800
<v Speaker 3>the worst date film of all time.

1454
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's actually the worst film.

1455
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 3>It really is.

1456
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Attraction and your break up Attractions.

1457
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<v Speaker 3>Break up Now, Yeah, that's not a good one as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess, oh, I don't know. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 3>something more recent. I don't know. But of the films

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen recently, another one that had a really good

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01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:00.279
<v Speaker 3>emotional impact on me was Then You Be on Those

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<v Speaker 3>Arrival last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was actually really interesting. That's such an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>film to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not my favorite film, but was my favorite film

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<v Speaker 3>of the year. And you know, I saw Blade one

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty forty nine last week, and that's again incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>He's an amazing filmmaker. But I always tend to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to the same films I ended up watching again

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<v Speaker 3>and again and again, whether it's the original Planet of

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01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.560
<v Speaker 3>the Apes, Sure, I love my sci fi very much,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Raiders Raiders Lost Dark of course, can't get

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<v Speaker 3>more perfect film than Raiders.

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<v Speaker 2>Raiders is It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a perfect film.

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<v Speaker 2>And since you're a Hitchcock fan, have you seen the

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<v Speaker 2>new documentary seventy eight to fifty two?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I have not.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of it?

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01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:48.840
<v Speaker 3>No, I have not. I just found out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just found out about it the other day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on iTunes. I watched it yesterday, and it is an

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<v Speaker 2>entire documentary about the shower scene in Psycho.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>And they go through every shot and they talk to

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<v Speaker 2>everything and the impact of Psycho. But they literally break

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<v Speaker 2>down everything about that shower scene, which is arguably the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ninety seconds, the most important ninety seconds in

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<v Speaker 2>film history, honestly some of them. Yeah, I mean what

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to do in that shower sequence. But

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01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:22.119
<v Speaker 2>someone put together arguably a really good documentary shot in

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<v Speaker 2>black and white. By the way, it's gorgeous. It's on iTunes.

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<v Speaker 2>You definitely should watch if any film gig definitely Hitchcock fan.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll love it. Yeah, anybody who has not seen Psycho,

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01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:34.079
<v Speaker 3>what the hell are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you listening to us? Wat psychoer?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to watch this film. That is, if you

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<v Speaker 3>if you take the sections which obviously date the film,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the beginning the anything that take anything outside

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<v Speaker 3>of just at the motel. Hm, it is it stands

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<v Speaker 3>up completely today. It could have been made. It's just

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01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.720
<v Speaker 3>so incredible and I just some of the it's the

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01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.359
<v Speaker 3>most innovative filmmaking you'll ever see. And you know we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 2>And now back to the show nineteen sixty it's we

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<v Speaker 2>could we could do a whole episode just on Psycho

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<v Speaker 2>with that question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I'll watch it tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now can Where can people find you and your work?

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<v Speaker 3>So my website is Philip Bloom dot net. So it's

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01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.840
<v Speaker 3>p h I l I p b l M and

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<v Speaker 3>my blog is there and that is the same Philip

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01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:44.199
<v Speaker 3>Bloom is what I have for all of my social media,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, it's.

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01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Just my space, my space GeoCities.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, you know it probably is still there.

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01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, minds is too roughly.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I think I haven't really used it as

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01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.920
<v Speaker 3>such the things I do have, but yeah, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty simple to find me, and I'm quite active.

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01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:06.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty active on them. And it is a real

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<v Speaker 3>mixture of photography filmmaking and personal stuff. I put some

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<v Speaker 3>I do put personal stuff on social media, and that's

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01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:17.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of another it's a whole podcast is about, you know,

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01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.399
<v Speaker 3>your whole dividing line between this sort I think, and

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01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I think it's important to be to be to be

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<v Speaker 3>you on social media, and that's why I always say

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<v Speaker 3>in my bio silly grumpy. So depending on how I'm feeling,

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01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I will be like that and I put some personal

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<v Speaker 3>stuff up there, and I put some everything I try

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01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 3>to make as nice as possible. I have a nice mix,

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01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:44.960
<v Speaker 3>and I just try and make it feel as as

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01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.840
<v Speaker 3>as me as it is, you know, like the MZ course,

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01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:52.680
<v Speaker 3>it's me. What you see is a very very different

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<v Speaker 3>to anything else you'll ever see training wise, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's very personal. And I kind of think that's this

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of sums me up ready and how i'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to share things.

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<v Speaker 2>Philip Man, thank you so much for taking the time out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been an absolute joy speaking to you man.

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01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you what an absolute thrill and pleasure

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01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:14.399
<v Speaker 2>was to talk to Philip and you know, after reading

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01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:19.199
<v Speaker 2>his blog for so long and listening to him on YouTube,

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01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, if you need to know about camera

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01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:26.119
<v Speaker 2>gear and reviews about camera gear and things like that, man,

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01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I definitely check his website out. I'm going to leave

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<v Speaker 2>all his links in the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting

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<v Speaker 2>dot tv, Forward slash four zero three. Thank you so

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01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>much for listening, guys, as always, keep on writing no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what. I'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at Bulletproof

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<v Speaker 1>Screenwriting dot tv.