WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:04.400 The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:06.879 dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.439 the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show 4 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:12.880 is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.079 not what we want. If you are looking for an 6 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:23.440 echo chamber viewer and listener discretion, He's admised, did. 7 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:33.039 You talk about extreme imnoledge crime? We were guilty from 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:39.000 the sun. They don't fear the questions, They fear the fuck. 9 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:48.960 So we see the fee through long. 10 00:00:52.799 --> 00:01:03.240 They content fro thinking the arasy. The dart On. 11 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.280 Shows what real? 12 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.000 Hey, guys, what is happening? 13 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:17.719 And what is up? 14 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:20.599 He hold out that glass, Baby, you know what time 15 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.799 it is because we are about to feel it up 16 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.680 a Welcome to the promoth This Lens podcast, the place 17 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.840 where the conversations are always in the lightning. I am 18 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.959 your host, Doc Brown, and here we like to use 19 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.680 the allegory other Prometheus Lens to take a second look 20 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.519 at everything. Hey, if you're a new to this channel, 21 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.040 welcome to the Hero's Journey. Please be sure and hit 22 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.599 that like button and smash that subscribe button. And while 23 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.760 I got you attention, guys, please check out this banner 24 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.840 down below with all of our social media's at their 25 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:56.959 various platforms, that would be much much appreciateted. Well, guys, 26 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.159 I got another great show for you lined up. Man, 27 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.560 this is a new the guy that's into the Appalachian 28 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.040 cryptid stuff like me. Man, So I thought it was 29 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.959 a good occasion to break out the moth Man stole 30 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.520 my EBT card hat. So I hope this is the 31 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.439 first of many conversations on this program. But I'd like 32 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.360 to welcome to the show for the first and like 33 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.479 I said, hopefully first of many. Mister Hardy, the Hardy boy, 34 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.439 let me bring in here. How are you doing, sir? 35 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:23.520 What is up? 36 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:24.159 Dog? 37 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.919 How are you doing? Man? Great to be here with you. 38 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:29.960 Awesome brother, Hey man, I'm so excited to have you. 39 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.080 And like we talked a little bit pre roll, Man, 40 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.800 you got a shmortgage board of topics to talk about, 41 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:37.680 so hopefully we can get into all of them. Man, 42 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.800 Hopefully this is the first of many, but maybe just 43 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.960 maybe for somebody that's new to my channel, maybe new 44 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.039 to you, not be exposed to you, what you do 45 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:48.000 and all those great things. Man, just take this opportunity 46 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.680 to introduce yourself to the listeners, who you are, what 47 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.000 you do, what you're about, and just give everybody a 48 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:53.560 feel brother. 49 00:02:54.520 --> 00:03:01.879 Absolutely, I am author, illustrator David Jay Hardy. That's how 50 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.879 I introduced myself all over the place. And I have 51 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:10.080 written and illustrated to books on Cryptid. So I have 52 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:14.960 Appalachian cryptids and creatures. And this puppy has been sounding 53 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:19.159 like hotcoogs. It is a beast theery account. I got 54 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.360 all the drawings, I got all the research, I got 55 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.800 all the cool stuff in here, and then it did 56 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.639 so well. Guess what we did a second book, got 57 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.680 signed to a second book, and I did the Illustrated 58 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:36.560 History of Mothman, The Illustrated History of Mothman. And so 59 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:40.639 this is a linear retelling, okay, like a linear retelling 60 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.759 of all the Mothman lore, all the stuff we go 61 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.800 from pre nineteen sixty six, the whole way through, and 62 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.080 so I got it all in here. I got all 63 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:57.400 of the theories, the thoughts, everything you can want on Mothman. 64 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.120 So I've done all the research, all the stuff, and 65 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.479 I like to go around and sell books, sign books, 66 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.360 and I actually have a t shirt line, Cryptid Empire, 67 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.479 and I do that as well, and so everything's hand 68 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.639 drawn by me. You can see I'm wearing a Bigfoot 69 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.920 T shirt right now and having a good time of that. 70 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.360 So that's what I do. So I'm an author, illustrator 71 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:22.079 and researcher. 72 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.240 Yeah that's awesome because we ended up connecting through I'm 73 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:31.079 trying to think. I think it was Facebook and I've 74 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.759 been seeing some of your stuff and my audience knows me. Well, man, 75 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:41.439 I am a total ADHD baby. I will get something 76 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:43.680 on my brain and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do this, 77 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.879 and then somebody sends me a text message or something. 78 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.639 Anything can happen and it totally take me off my game. 79 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.959 And you are no exception, sir. I've seen you on 80 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.279 my feed several times and I'm like, this would be 81 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.399 a good conversation. I need to get h on the show. 82 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.680 And I just happened to get no distractions this time. 83 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.839 I happen to stumble across a picture of you holding 84 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.240 a picture and giving a thumbs up signing a book 85 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:10.720 for a girl, and I'm like, I've been meaning to 86 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.160 reach out to him forever. I'm just gonna finally do it. 87 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:16.759 And it worked out. We were able to put it 88 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.000 together and it was awesome. 89 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.360 Yeah. Man, so how long have you been into this? 90 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.319 You know Cryptid, you know Space. I know you author those, 91 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:27.759 but I assume you were swimming in the pool for 92 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.480 a long time before you decided to give lessons. 93 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.600 Yeah. So, like as a little kid, always loved Cryptis, 94 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:37.560 would go to the Manaca Library, which was my local 95 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.800 library because we grew up in so I grew up 96 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:45.519 in near Pittsburgh in Appalachia and grew up poor as dirt, right, 97 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.480 so the only if you were gonna have any entertainment whatever, 98 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.720 it had to be free. And so it was always 99 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.639 going to the libraries. Every single week through the summer. 100 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.959 My mom would take me to the library, and I'm 101 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.959 always checking out all the books that I could on 102 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:04.920 mythological creatures and all the different stuff. And there was 103 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.879 one time that I remember getting an Encyclopedia of creatures 104 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.279 and just pouring through it and was just drawn to 105 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:15.879 big Now, back then it was like pretty much big Foot, 106 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.720 lock Ness Monster. I did not know about Mothman for 107 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.000 a while. I have some like vague recollections, but I 108 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.319 never really zeroed in on Mothman till so I became 109 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.399 an adult, I was into comic books like crazy and 110 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.519 was doing all sorts of drawings and different things. Found 111 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.839 out that the best way to get your art out 112 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:37.360 there is to put it on a T shirt. I'm 113 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:39.199 telling you, for at least for me. And I worked 114 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.519 in a screenprinting shop, so that might make sense, but 115 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.240 it was a really good way. And so I started 116 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:47.639 selling T shirts at comic cons and I did this 117 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.920 one bigfoot shirt and it sold, and it sold and 118 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:53.680 it sold. It was awesome. And this lady comes up 119 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.519 to me, she goes, you know what you should do? 120 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.040 And she goes, you should do Mothman. Now this is 121 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.079 again fifteen years ago, and I was like, moth what 122 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.480 moth Rah Like? I looked it up. I had no 123 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:06.759 idea pretty. 124 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:14.959 Much, and all of the differencera I know, seriously, and so. 125 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.000 I looked him up and I see him. I go, 126 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.000 you know what, I could do a really sick drawing 127 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.160 in that creature. So I do I do this one 128 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.199 T shirt. Still didn't really know what I was talking 129 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:29.720 about with moth Man. And here's what happened. Danny Treo, 130 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.800 Uncle Machete himself, came up to me at a comic 131 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.759 con and bought the shirt, and he was super cool. 132 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.399 He like he bought that shirt and a chup of 133 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.319 Cobba shirt like other shirts, and he leaned in he 134 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:49.639 told me, he said, Danvin, you have decoys T shirts. Ever, man, 135 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.800 I'm gonna put that on my tombstone. Like that was 136 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.920 a big deal. That was awesome. And so that video 137 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.120 or that picture, when I posted it went mini viral 138 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.800 and it blew up and people started reaching out. So 139 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:08.720 the Mothman Museum, which I did not even know existed, 140 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.079 reached out to me and they said, hey, we'd like 141 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.000 to sell your shirts, and I said, great, that's awesome. 142 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:17.959 So they bought twenty five. They sold out, They bought 143 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:21.839 two hundred and fifty, they sold out, they bought fifteen hundred, 144 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:25.360 and they sold out. And they keep selling and selling 145 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.319 and selling, and so I was like, there is definitely 146 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.959 something to this. This thing is really moving and shaking. 147 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.759 And then the so Jeff Walmsley, the guy who runs 148 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.600 the museum, said have you ever considered writing a book? 149 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.000 And I said I have, and then he hooked me 150 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.759 up with his publisher and Courier Press. So I got 151 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.399 a legit publisher and we took off you know, I 152 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.360 wrote the first book, wrote and illustrated it. It was great, 153 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.360 and we're like, we're approaching six thousand copies, you know, 154 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.320 and then the second one going incredibly well, so we're 155 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:03.879 shipping all over the country. It's been fantastic, tons and 156 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.000 tons of research, like so much. So you know, we 157 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.279 all know how you just get into one thing and 158 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.639 you go into rabbit trails and rabbit trails, rabbit trails, 159 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.519 try to bring it all in. But I feel like 160 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.919 at this point now I've read almost everything that I 161 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:21.679 can on specifically moth Man, but most scripteds. I am 162 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:26.120 a I call myself a crypto mythologist, So I'm into 163 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.960 the stories. I'm not gonna sit here and argue about 164 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.759 Bigfoot's metatarsal hinge right like we can. I don't want to. 165 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.360 I'm not into that. I'm into the stories, the lore, 166 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.519 and the legend. So that's what That's how I got 167 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:41.279 into all of this. 168 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.159 That's awesome, man, And what an awesome story too. You know, 169 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.360 who doesn't. I mean, there are plenty of losers out there, 170 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.240 but I mean I'm not talking to the losers. Who 171 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.360 doesn't enjoy a good story, man? And that's a great story. 172 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.240 And that's something I try my best to emulate with 173 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.639 me is I try to be a story story teller 174 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.440 because I've always loved storytellers. It's like, yeah, you can 175 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.279 take somebody and you know, take a fifteen to twenty 176 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:12.320 minute news clip or whatever and just regurgitate the information 177 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.279 in twenty or thirty minutes and be done with it. 178 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.240 Or you could tell a very beautiful, well crafted story 179 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.519 and keep people entertained for an hour to get to 180 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:21.399 that punchline. 181 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:22.120 You know. 182 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.639 So I talk slow anyway, so why not take advantage 183 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:26.600 of the storyteller. 184 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.879 Hey, it's cool, I talk fast, so we'll balance each 185 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.200 other out. Yeah. 186 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.840 Man, Well, I wanted to hit you with this because 187 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.320 a shout out of the chat. The chat's been growing. 188 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.799 I've just started doing the lives and stuff maybe the 189 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.240 past month or so and starting to build the live 190 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.440 chat audience. But I had Rebecca and she's i'll throw 191 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.120 up her comment here because we've seen it before the show, 192 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.559 and I addressed it, but I'll throw it up now. 193 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.240 But she said, I'd like to hear his take, if 194 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:03.279 any on the encounters of the Braxi and the Snellygaster, 195 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.399 if there's any stories about him or if he's just 196 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:11.159 reporting on the lore. And also she asked later, she said, 197 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:14.840 if someone wants a signed copy, is that possible or 198 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:16.840 can you only order it from Amazon? 199 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.480 No, oh, don't order it from Amazon. Order it from 200 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:25.679 me cryptidempire dot com, cryptidempire dot com, and I will, 201 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.039 like you place that order, I will sign that puppy. 202 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.679 I will throw it in the mail today. Okay. So yeah, 203 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.080 and they're they're really great copies that I send out anyhow, 204 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:40.879 The Flatwoods Monster Braxie quite a bit on Braxibraxi has 205 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:45.360 become very very popular as of late. But yeah, I've 206 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.360 got quite a bit of stories on Braxi. There's so 207 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.879 much happening. So we have the original initial encounter in 208 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.600 the nineteen fifties when you had so it's like nineteen 209 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.960 fifty two, and we have the the fall from potentially heaven. 210 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:03.879 We don't know where it comes from, but we have 211 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:08.960 the saucer that falls down, and then we have the parent, 212 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:16.679 the mother, the guardsman, the US military, and then the kids. 213 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.679 They all go up to the hill. So we know 214 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.840 this story. They go up the hill in West Virginia 215 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.799 in Sutton County, Bractice or I'm sorry, in Sutton, Braxton County, 216 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.679 West Virginia, to go see what this thing was. And 217 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:36.840 it's this giant, potentially robotic creature with this red hood 218 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.240 over it, incredibly bad smell, all of these different things, 219 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.840 light shining, everything going nuts, and they take off. They 220 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.279 had a dog with them too, and they get out 221 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:50.759 of there. They get out of there as fast as 222 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:56.080 humanly possible. And the crazy thing is the dog died 223 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:59.320 just like a few weeks later. The dog died out 224 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.960 of nowhere. Dog was incredibly healthy. The dog died. There 225 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.399 was all sorts of like later in life, like weird 226 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:08.759 cancer stuff for the for the you know, the people 227 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.600 who had seen Braxie. And then we started finding out 228 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:17.799 that there were encounters prior to and after with very 229 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:22.360 similar creatures that now sometimes they had different variations. There 230 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.039 was one time that had a lizard face or a 231 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.759 very defined lizard face because they couldn't see it was 232 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.000 like this hood, this hood with this circle and then 233 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.000 a weird dress and all of the different things. And 234 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.679 so there's so many theories on what was happening, what 235 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:41.759 was what was going on in West Virginia at that 236 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.960 time in the nineteen fifties, and then going into the sixties. 237 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.960 There's all these different encounters, and you have the Grafton Monster. 238 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.639 I was just at the Grafton Monster event in Grafton, 239 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.399 West Virginia last weekend and they're celebrating sixty I think 240 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.360 it's like sixty two years of the graft and Monster. 241 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:07.039 Very similar sighting in a similar area. Is there a connection? 242 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.200 Were these things all somewhat tied together? And could they 243 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.919 even be tied together to moth Man in that space? 244 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.120 You know? Was this was this a government issue? Was 245 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:23.120 this some type of testing? Was this a full on 246 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:28.120 alien invasion that was forwarded or not? We don't know. 247 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.320 But Braxy is very popular and there's a lot of 248 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:36.720 different theories on who she is. So yeah, a lot 249 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.039 of people say, well, I don't know that we're gendering 250 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.759 her correctly, but a lot of people say Braxi is 251 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.759 a she. We'll see. But you know, if ever we 252 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:52.200 find definitive proof of Braxy, uh, maybe she's wearing a 253 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.840 dress and they say, I think it's the dress that 254 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.600 that's the one that leads you to, hey, is this 255 00:14:57.759 --> 00:14:58.799 a female? You know? 256 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.200 So there rendition of this monster. 257 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:04.679 I have a rendition right here. 258 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:07.279 We'll go to the side a little bit. 259 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:09.320 Yeah, we go there, ware we go. 260 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:14.679 Oh, okay, I've seen that the little spade looking hands 261 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:16.639 if I've always wondered what that was. 262 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.559 Mm hmmm. Well, and they don't know, they have no 263 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.639 idea what the spade is, but it's that that spades 264 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.159 the uh I'm like backwards here, but that's another one. 265 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.120 But and then I have even I can give you 266 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:30.679 a third one because I got it in my new 267 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:31.480 moth Man book. 268 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:36.279 Here Arabica said, I'm not going under that uh dress 269 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.080 to check all right, Well. 270 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:44.399 Well don't worry. Doc Brand will check her out. Tell us, hey, 271 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.679 what gender were looking at? But anyhow, so he's a 272 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.960 she she Yeah, we don't know, you know what I mean, 273 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.960 we have no idea. U braxy braxi may not be 274 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.120 you know, within our sphere of understanding. So that's that's 275 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.600 our that's something practice stuff. But there have been sightings 276 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.279 even relatively recently, the big but the big one being 277 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.200 in the nineteen fifties. So there is something going on 278 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:16.720 in Appalachis, specifically West Virginia. And I'm spending tons and 279 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:20.440 tons of time in West Virginia, like literally every single 280 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.399 weekend that in June. I have been or will be 281 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:28.639 in West Virginia. So I'm signing books at West Virginia 282 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.200 Day and Beckley this weekend and next weekend I will 283 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.399 be at UFO Days in Buchanan. So I'm all over 284 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:40.000 West Virginia. And I will tell you this, The lore 285 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.960 is pervasive, is so much and then you talk to people. 286 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.360 That's the crazy thing. It's like you talk. Every time 287 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.159 I go to something, I've got four or five different 288 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:54.159 people who are giving me their encounters, their stories, or 289 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.960 their grandmothers and all these different things. And I'm like, 290 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.120 this place is just teeming with stories of the supernatural. 291 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:03.360 Mm hmm. 292 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:05.759 And that's something to means some of my buddies have 293 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.279 dovein talked about because it's like, you know Appalachia, that 294 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.960 that's an ancient mountain, you know what I mean? And uh, 295 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.519 all of the Native American lord. 296 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.960 Yeah, potentially, I mean, depending on how you date them 297 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.480 and your theory on where they come from. Uh, they 298 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.720 could be the oldest mountains in the world. 299 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:26.079 Mm hmm. 300 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:28.000 Yep. 301 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:33.799 It s because all the highest strangeness you know, which 302 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.599 now that I got you on here because I've seen 303 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.160 that you wrote on many cryptids, but like your latest 304 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.559 release is more focused on the Mothman. Them off Man, 305 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.680 don't throw stones at me. I'm new to the cryptid space, 306 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.640 you know. That's like, I never what you would call 307 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.119 a bigfoot enthusiast. It wasn't until I stumbled upon Esau 308 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.799 sounding like a Bigfoot that I kind of even got 309 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.880 into bigfoot a little bit. So I want, because I've 310 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.160 never sit down and listened to a podcast, I want 311 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.960 to hear the story of Mothman. I just know the 312 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.559 thirty thousand foot view. I just know it's some winged 313 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:16.640 creature that that showed up one night and chased a 314 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.319 family or something, then landed on a bridge and the 315 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.680 bridge collapsed or something like that. I just have like 316 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.519 a thirty thousand But that's not what happened. That's not okay. 317 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.960 But that's good, very bad. I love it. I love 318 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.680 telling this story. So this is good. This is Listen. 319 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.079 Don't worry. I don't have that Pharisee spirit. I'm not 320 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.079 throwing anyway. I'm not looking. I'm not looking to judge. Listen. 321 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.359 That's why I wrote the book. Wait wait, wait, here's 322 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.400 that's why I wrote the book. The back of the book, 323 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.119 do you know what Mothman really is. I give the 324 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.599 whole thing so because so many people Mothman is stupid 325 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.400 popular right now, like ridiculously, you're something crazy. 326 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.359 Before you started, though, I didn't know nothing about this. 327 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.559 I was just getting it into podcas casting and I 328 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.880 worked with this guy named Chris, and Chris uh, I'm 329 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.680 trying to think. I can't remember his last name. 330 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:07.839 Now. 331 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.359 If it was the family name, it might have been. 332 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.000 But now I started getting into this space and then 333 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:16.799 we got to talk about monsters or something. He's like, hell, 334 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.359 he said, if you want to talk moth Man, uh, 335 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.880 talk to me and my family. We're the original people. 336 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.279 And I said do what and he said, yeah, look 337 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:28.839 up the story that such and such, the the whatever, 338 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.559 the family Chris last name, that's the thing I can't 339 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:38.799 remember because it Scarborough. Yes, Scarberry, he's Starbury. 340 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:39.720 Yeah. 341 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.279 And he said that that story of the family getting 342 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:46.759 chasing the man shooting at the tree or something. I 343 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:48.960 think he told me he said that was my grandpa. 344 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:51.880 And I was like, I want to bring you on 345 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:55.240 the show, and he kept chicking it out. He was like, no, 346 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.240 I don't do podcasts. I don't do well. 347 00:19:58.279 --> 00:19:59.880 Tell him to talk to me. He doesn't have to 348 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.640 on a podcast, but I would love to talk to 349 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.319 them about it. But yeah, that the Scarberriers are the Mallets. Yeah, 350 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.640 I mean, so if here was a Scarberry and that's 351 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.519 his grandpa, then you know that's he's one of the 352 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.119 original four. I mean, there were so many at the 353 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.279 od Okay, let me give you the whole thing. Let 354 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.400 me give you the whole thing. I mean, I'll have 355 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.400 to give a little bit of a thirty thousand foot 356 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.759 of view. So there were there were sightings prior to 357 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.119 nineteen sixty six. Okay, so these sightings do go back, 358 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:35.640 but they are isolated, and the main flap happened in 359 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.519 November of nineteen sixty six. That the first things that 360 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.599 happened were and it's all over West Virginia. It's not 361 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.440 just in So. It's a place called Point Pleasant, this 362 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.920 tiny little town between these rivers. There was a river town. 363 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.960 It's near Galla Police, Ohio. So if you're wondering where 364 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:59.160 Point Pleasant is, it's somewhat close to Columbus. Columbus is 365 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.400 the is the next big like Ohio town. And then 366 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:05.759 you know there's all the West Virginia stuff. So there 367 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:09.559 were these different sightings of things that in Point Pleasant 368 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.599 you saw the first one. So the very very first 369 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:19.480 one happened at a military in essence bunker up in 370 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.720 the TNT area. This is an area in which they 371 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.839 had a bunch of explosives and different things from World 372 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.960 War Two. So they had ammunition area during World War two, 373 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.640 so that if we were ever invaded, they were hidden 374 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.799 in these this forested area that you couldn't get to 375 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:41.920 or couldn't see from overhead, and they were in these 376 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:46.599 like igloos, these cement igloos that were supposed to protect 377 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.640 them if they exploded, that it wouldn't help you blow 378 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.319 everything up. But this area has major issues because you know, 379 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.559 this happens in sixty six. World War Two is over 380 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.440 in forty five, so you have twenty years of it 381 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.559 just sitting there and like stuff's leaking out, things that exploded. 382 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.480 It's very toxic. It's gross up there, and it's outside 383 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.279 of town. So one night, this this military guy, he's 384 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:18.759 on patrol in that space and he sees a giant bird. Okay, 385 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.599 like this giant man bird creature thing couldn't explain it, 386 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.079 and he's like, oh my goodness, what and like and 387 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.759 he reports it to his officers, says he wants nothing 388 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:31.880 to do with it. So you have that. Then right 389 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.440 after that you have a group of guys. Now this 390 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.200 is really weird. They were digging a grave because that's 391 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.319 what you did in the sixties for the guy's farther 392 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.319 in law. There were four men, so instead of paying 393 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.880 somebody with a bacco, they were doing it themselves, digging 394 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.680 a grave. And over their head flew a giant man bird. 395 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.160 And so I do it in the South Man people 396 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.680 just don't understand. It's like, man, we don't have that 397 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:00.839 five hundred dollars to pay at a ball. We'll just go. 398 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.720 Get your friends together in front of the guy in 399 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:08.680 the ditch, right, you know. So that's it, and then 400 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:13.039 so like then after that, some really weird stuff starts happening. 401 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.279