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Speaker 1: and James Boogle Fay Clifford James, Hello, Hello, how you doing?
Speaker 2: Man? All right?
Speaker 3: All right? We got a yawie hunter from Australia. We
Speaker 3: got Gary Lynn joining us tonight.
Speaker 2: Hello, Gary, Hi, Gary, good evening, goes hey, are you surviving?
Speaker 1: Plus a little bit so can't complain for.
Speaker 3: The listeners we had, uh, we had Dean Harrison on here.
Speaker 3: That is the head of our show, the founder of
Speaker 3: our show and our research. And Gary here is one
Speaker 3: of his top right hand men. Of the men in
Speaker 3: the field down.
Speaker 2: There, you might on the one that carries his bags
Speaker 2: and helps him get up heels. He can't clowmb one himself.
Speaker 1: Spoken like a true Australian. Yeah, yeah, because you know
Speaker 1: we've been to Australia. We filmed the course finding Bigfoot
Speaker 1: down there and one thing it's one of those stereotypes
Speaker 1: I kind of hold true is Australians were kind of
Speaker 1: rough around the edge. Man, they're gonna mess with you
Speaker 1: if they can. And I think that was a good
Speaker 1: example Gary of like littling the organization's founder.
Speaker 3: Good job, Well it's funny because it's true.
Speaker 2: That's right man. If if if you can't hang a
Speaker 2: bit of crap on the the the layed representative of
Speaker 2: the organization, and you know what, what can you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not even here, so let's let's let's really
Speaker 1: let loose on him.
Speaker 3: What brought you to the Australian A y R is
Speaker 3: Australian researched us to their organization? So what probably to
Speaker 3: a y R? Was it an experience or a siting
Speaker 3: or just interest?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Well three mine is uh you know I've
Speaker 2: always had look, look, look many people. I've always had
Speaker 2: an interest in the subject, be paranormal or yeah, yalli,
Speaker 2: bigfoot at all that corner creepy spooky stuff. And it
Speaker 2: pretty much started off actually involving myself in the subject
Speaker 2: in a physical manner, going to certain locations where we
Speaker 2: think they might be. Like myself and a friend of
Speaker 2: mine who we had no idea what we're doing, just
Speaker 2: a couple of no hopers with torches walk around the
Speaker 2: bush at night, and the bar got set quite high
Speaker 2: one night when we went to a certain location where
Speaker 2: there's actually yowie crossing painted on the road, so there's
Speaker 2: obviously been signings in this area. So we thought, what's
Speaker 2: the better place to go out for our first time
Speaker 2: is to go out there, And that night involved lots
Speaker 2: of walking around, not by us. We could hear something
Speaker 2: walking around the bush up on the ridge above us,
Speaker 2: and then my good friend he decided to say that
Speaker 2: he could hear some possible vocalizations further, say a calumity
Speaker 2: on the road a bit further. So we jump back
Speaker 2: in the car. And this is the point where I
Speaker 2: learned that you never ever turn the audio recording device
Speaker 2: off until the night is done and dusted. So at
Speaker 2: that particular time, I was using my phone as an
Speaker 2: audio recorder, so I wasn't actually using a recording device.
Speaker 2: So things have changed these days. So we jumped in
Speaker 2: the car, I press pause and on the audio recording
Speaker 2: app on the phone. We drive down the road. We
Speaker 2: get out. As soon as we get out, on the
Speaker 2: left hand side of this particular location where this road
Speaker 2: goes through the forest, is this big wall of lantanas.
Speaker 2: Lantana's a very prickly invasive vine slash bush and something
Speaker 2: behind that that's wall of lantana, screamed at us. And
Speaker 2: it was the loudest thing I've ever heard. I go
Speaker 2: to a fairfee death millal concerts, and the sound reverberation
Speaker 2: you could feel the sound waves vibrate through your chest cavity.
Speaker 2: It was that loud. I'm only talking maybe twenty feet
Speaker 2: away at the most. And then we sort of hung
Speaker 2: around there for a bit and we proceeded to listen
Speaker 2: to two other possible beings coming in from the north
Speaker 2: and the northwest, until we were in the middle of
Speaker 2: a triangle and we basically go freaked out, jumped in
Speaker 2: the car and left. And that was our first experience
Speaker 2: into actually doing I wouldn't call research, to call it
Speaker 2: going out and kicking around the bush with no idea
Speaker 2: what we're doing. And then yeah, we did that a
Speaker 2: few times. And one day I was on the way
Speaker 2: home on my bike back up because I live in
Speaker 2: the gold Case Hinsland up in the mountains, and coming
Speaker 2: back up the mountain after a ride, and I see
Speaker 2: this black car coming down the mountain and I happened
Speaker 2: to catch a number plates at Yowie and I spun
Speaker 2: around and chase this black car back down the mountain.
Speaker 2: It certainly was I'm not too sure what he was
Speaker 2: thinking with this, this guy on a high performance super
Speaker 2: sport bike come up behind and reving the bike and
Speaker 2: waving at him, thinking he think he's probably done something.
Speaker 2: And you pulled over and we proceeded to have a
Speaker 2: chat to be at that particular knot, and from there,
Speaker 2: you know, we sort of kicked along a bit, conversations
Speaker 2: here and there until I was finally able to get
Speaker 2: out on my first research not with Vane, and it
Speaker 2: has been an amazing roller coaster ever since.
Speaker 3: Well, there was a.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Oh not actually that long ago. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I'll mean, you know when we
Speaker 2: got screamed out was probably twenty seventeen. A few other
Speaker 2: experiences and getting it doing things previous to that.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of relieved in a way as you
Speaker 1: were describing to some of your earlier experiences and how
Speaker 1: you got into this, that it seems that you guys
Speaker 1: go about it the same way. You just basically jump
Speaker 1: in and start doing it, even though you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing and kind of just learn the ropes
Speaker 1: as you go. That's how most Americans, I think, do it.
Speaker 1: That's certainly how I did it. We can all start
Speaker 1: out with like Bobo, being an expert before you do it,
Speaker 1: but like for the rest of us, we just kind
Speaker 1: of muddle around in the dark for it. And it
Speaker 1: sounds like you did the same thing.
Speaker 2: Exactly all my log It's it's like a side of
Speaker 2: people will told me when you when you're driving around
Speaker 2: you get lost, the best best way to find it
Speaker 2: where you are is to get lost. Sometimes it doesn't
Speaker 2: work yet, you know, for the best, but for the
Speaker 2: most part it does.
Speaker 1: I feel I almost feel bad about for the people
Speaker 1: who do it any other way because I only know
Speaker 1: as much as I do. And I don't think I
Speaker 1: know a lot, mind you, but I only know as
Speaker 1: much as I do because I've made so many mistakes,
Speaker 1: and if those mistakes aren't yours, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: feel you learn as much from them. I think the
Speaker 1: beginning times, when you're learning to fly, that's probably the
Speaker 1: most important time in any bigfooter or Yawi hunter's career
Speaker 1: of doing that is because you get to make all
Speaker 1: your own mistakes and learn from them. And if you're
Speaker 1: learning from a mentor, that's great, but that mentor can
Speaker 1: tell you. I'm going to tell you this because I
Speaker 1: made my mistakes and I don't want you to make
Speaker 1: the same mistakes.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think you get as much from that.
Speaker 1: You need to get out there and really blow it
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, you are exactly what and even for the
Speaker 2: most part, it's also bad the experience and learning on
Speaker 2: the job as such, even when you are out in
Speaker 2: the field doing this kind of research. Yeah, as you guys,
Speaker 2: I look, you can go ten times in a row
Speaker 2: and only one time you'll actually have some kind of
Speaker 2: basing activity because unfortunately they work on their time table
Speaker 2: and or their time table. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you find new areas, you find new access points, you
Speaker 2: find things you probably wouldn't wouldn't have found or come
Speaker 2: across or learned if you didn't make those mistakes in
Speaker 2: the first place.
Speaker 1: And there are your mistakes, and that just makes it
Speaker 1: even more personal, and it gives you a better foundation
Speaker 1: for later on, you know, because no one's going to
Speaker 1: make cliff mistakes. That's my job and you can learn
Speaker 1: from me. And that's great if they don't have to
Speaker 1: go through the same rigamrow and they don't have to
Speaker 1: make the same mistakes and learn the hard way. But
Speaker 1: there is no other way to learn it. You got
Speaker 1: to go out there and make a fool yourself, say
Speaker 1: things that are incorrect and public and be you know,
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. We all do it, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have a website, we do it. You know,
Speaker 1: we make public mistakes. I think that's an important part
Speaker 1: of the growing process and frankly maturing process, which I
Speaker 1: think is an important aspect of this that a lot
Speaker 1: of people to talk about for sure.
Speaker 2: Mat I mean, look, as you guys know, like there's
Speaker 2: there's no real set way written down the book method
Speaker 2: of how to do this research. Different areas require different
Speaker 2: aspects of research, so you kin'dt have you can't have
Speaker 2: to adapt to each particular research area you go to. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, let's say the location we're out last night,
Speaker 2: we have a set protocols for that area, but if
Speaker 2: we go to another location in an hour and a
Speaker 2: half north, we have to we have to attack that
Speaker 2: area in a different manner. So in doing so, not
Speaker 2: not only progressing your research, but you're also learning as
Speaker 2: you go about. You know, as you see you know
Speaker 2: those mistakes, what to and what not to do, and
Speaker 2: again you try to tried to progress that research in
Speaker 2: as much of a positive manner as you can.
Speaker 1: Now you just mentioned that you have different protocols for
Speaker 1: different areas. Now we'll get to I wouldn't know your areas,
Speaker 1: of course, but some people listening might, so we're not
Speaker 1: going to pokey on that too hard and broad you
Speaker 1: but what are some of the protocols and how do
Speaker 1: they differ from protocols in other areas that when you
Speaker 1: do field work, as.
Speaker 2: You guys may know lock when, I'm pretty sure a
Speaker 2: fair few researchers over your sort of fence do the
Speaker 2: same sort of thing. So so I add nton with
Speaker 2: your head lamps, a lot of the time you're using
Speaker 2: red lot on your head lamp. So around base camp
Speaker 2: we use we use white light basically basically because we
Speaker 2: want to use base camp as an attracted area. Once
Speaker 2: we leave base camp, it's either no light at all
Speaker 2: or it's red light, depending on your situation. On the situation,
Speaker 2: depending on the train and where exactly what you're venturing
Speaker 2: off to we have found that certain beings in certain
Speaker 2: areas are a bit more brazen than others. It's the
Speaker 2: location last night. We have to kind of be a
Speaker 2: little bit more stealth mode because they seem to be
Speaker 2: very clued on that area. So we basically have to
Speaker 2: go around as quite as we possibly can, make sure
Speaker 2: that we're not flashing his light around, make sure the
Speaker 2: lights and the cameras are covered up, because you know,
Speaker 2: these thermal cameras do have stand by lights and you
Speaker 2: actually can see that through the bush. Certain locations further north,
Speaker 2: where the areas are different, these beings are more are
Speaker 2: a lot more happy to come out in the open
Speaker 2: as such, not in the sense of the you know,
Speaker 2: they can step out and shake your hand, but they
Speaker 2: don't seem to be as stealthy as the beings that
Speaker 2: we were that we were with the area of the
Speaker 2: area that we're at last night, so that that kind
Speaker 2: of area, you you actually can sit and wait out
Speaker 2: in the open and make a bit more noise. So
Speaker 2: you kind of just adapt to these certain areas certain methods. Again,
Speaker 2: other places as well, where these beans might be a
Speaker 2: little bit more standoffish, not so much aggressive but a
Speaker 2: little bit on edge as such. So again the place
Speaker 2: for it last night, we probably can walk down those
Speaker 2: trails and through the bush by ourselves, but locations further north,
Speaker 2: we sort of may have to make sure that we
Speaker 2: go from pairs for a safety aspect.
Speaker 3: From the AE that's the safety you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean like they don't
Speaker 2: seem to be particularly aggressive unless you sort of get
Speaker 2: closer to the kids or closer to the females. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of people know the encounter that Dean had
Speaker 2: many years ago a place called kil Keeven where Dean
Speaker 2: got a bit too close to one's missus and he
Speaker 2: paid the price for it. Likely he's here today for it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when they get a little bit too close
Speaker 2: to the females, a little bit too close to the kids,
Speaker 2: that then they tend to get a little bit more protective.
Speaker 2: Not all time. I think it's a seasonal thing. Maybe
Speaker 2: if there is a birthing, a possible berthing in the
Speaker 2: in the area, we'll start here. Reports of juvenile sightings
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and also more rock thrain tends
Speaker 2: to happen as well.
Speaker 3: Prior to that night where you guys got the footage.
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of a lot of our listeners
Speaker 3: aroosed seeing that footage. I think it's the best thermal
Speaker 3: footage ever gotten. Had had you seen one before that.
Speaker 2: I've had many experiences. I've heard them very close to
Speaker 2: me again, I've been screamed at. I've heard whistles, growls,
Speaker 2: pops walking, all that usual kinds of stuff very close
Speaker 2: to me, around me, behind me. And previous to that
Speaker 2: particular night, we were actually son below that ridgeline is
Speaker 2: a dam, and we decided one not to take the
Speaker 2: kayaks and clike to the very far end of his
Speaker 2: dam where we think the their sort of home territory
Speaker 2: home territory might be. We did so, and that night
Speaker 2: involved seeing eye shine, hearing something move off, footprints found,
Speaker 2: and then once we came back to the kayaks, sorry,
Speaker 2: back across the end of the dam and loaded the
Speaker 2: kayaks back into my van. When I was laying Mike
Speaker 2: Kayak into the van, I actually heard something move across
Speaker 2: the road. Because with a lot of these locations in
Speaker 2: these roads, these roads are going through dense forests. It's
Speaker 2: not a real open area. So again when I was
Speaker 2: laying Mike Clake in the van across the road. I
Speaker 2: could I heard something move. I didn't worry too much
Speaker 2: about it. And then Dean went upload his klike and
Speaker 2: he heard a bit of a grumble growl kind of noise.
Speaker 2: So that sparked off a bit of a bit of
Speaker 2: an investigation into the area. So we came back at
Speaker 2: a later date, more so focusing on the lower side
Speaker 2: in between the road and the dam. So the first
Speaker 2: night that we came back and got decent, decent interaction myself,
Speaker 2: Shanning Guthrie and Dean, we were at a base camp.
Speaker 2: Dean went up the track to just basically sit up
Speaker 2: there in the dark and you sit quietly and just
Speaker 2: have listen and see what comes about. Myself and Shannon
Speaker 2: state a base camp and after about half an hour
Speaker 2: or so, Dean comes out of the radio and says,
Speaker 2: I can hear something pushing through the bush, excuse me,
Speaker 2: pushing through the bush down below me. He said it
Speaker 2: was by a pedal, quite quite clearly, by a pedal
Speaker 2: from what he could hear. So I radio threw it
Speaker 2: to Dean and said, okay, well would you like would
Speaker 2: you like some back up? And he said no, no, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: just just just sit tight, Okay, now worries. So he
Speaker 2: still came out of the radio saying, you know, reporting
Speaker 2: what he can hear, he can't seeing at this particular time,
Speaker 2: just just all audio. And then next thing, you know
Speaker 2: this if you can, if you picture the sound of
Speaker 2: when someone dives a stunt kite and a mechanical buzz.
Speaker 2: Myself and Shannon heard that. We look up through the
Speaker 2: tree canopy and this big black debt V flies directly
Speaker 2: out of the top of us. Nobody what it was,
Speaker 2: Just like if you've got to two f trucks and
Speaker 2: point of them knows to nose in a V shape.
Speaker 2: That's basically the size of it. No lights, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: You said, this mechanical humming corn of noise. It flew
Speaker 2: over the top of us. And then Dean straight off that. Dean,
Speaker 2: here's this being crashing through the through the valley. Blow
Speaker 2: him even more. Okay, So that that situation right there
Speaker 2: has this obviously a lot more excited. We came back
Speaker 2: the next not the next night, but another night after that,
Speaker 2: and I was up on the main road while Dean
Speaker 2: the other guys were down lower and I was focusing
Speaker 2: more on that area directly across the road where I
Speaker 2: heard that movement that night. And next thing I hear
Speaker 2: like like basically a bulldozer coming down down the hill there.
Speaker 2: So I pulled the therm or camera up. I see
Speaker 2: this massive heats in literally coming down the hill. I
Speaker 2: can't tell what it is. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: this is my first time using this particular film cramera,
Speaker 2: so I'm not quite up to date on the buttons
Speaker 2: and focusing in that kind of thing. I'm still working
Speaker 2: it out. And as this massive heat blob comes down
Speaker 2: the hill closer towards me and then splits into two,
Speaker 2: and then I realize what I'm actually looking at. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at what I believe is two yali is. One
Speaker 2: splits off to the left, one splits off to the right,
Speaker 2: The one I left sits down. It didn't he is
Speaker 2: facing my direction, but it didn't appear to be looking
Speaker 2: at me as such. I don't think he knew I
Speaker 2: was there. The other one off to the right had
Speaker 2: its hand on the embankment, and it was with its
Speaker 2: right hand it was ripping out roots and that kind
Speaker 2: of thing from the ground and throwing them behind it.
Speaker 2: The clarity of this footage wasn't the best. Again, it
Speaker 2: is my first time using this camera. I'm talking maybe
Speaker 2: one hundred feet away, so again it wasn't that wasn't
Speaker 2: that close to really get good proper detail anyway, Uh
Speaker 2: that that's that particular sorting loss for about fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: until a noise was made and then I must have
Speaker 2: realized I was standing down there, and I took off.
Speaker 2: We we did get some video and still fully from it.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not the best. It's nothing locked the
Speaker 2: thermals that everyone knows about. But that rot there was my,
Speaker 2: I guess, introduction to a proper physical sorting.
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Speaker 3: When I watched the recreations, I wasn't sure like how close,
Speaker 3: like how accurate the estimations were that Dean was giving.
Speaker 3: Did you guys, did you ever get back in there
Speaker 3: like really measure full, like you know, get real detailed measurements.
Speaker 2: As in the distance from the camera location to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like because I remember he was saying, like,
Speaker 3: you know, about eight feet nine feet whatever some oh.
Speaker 2: The height, yes, yes, so the het was actually about
Speaker 2: none and nine and a half foot distance from from
Speaker 2: from the camera to where I was standing was roughly
Speaker 2: about fifty to fifty four feet through the thick foliage
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. And again you know, like
Speaker 2: those beings none nine and a half at all. And
Speaker 2: I found some track impressions which measured about eighteen nineteen inches. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: nothing castable because the terrain back there is just not
Speaker 2: a castable environment. It's all leaf litter and grass and
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But you can still quite clearly
Speaker 2: see these foot impressions an inch two inches into the ground.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they're about eighteen nineteen inch foot impressions I speak. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was an amazing I mean, the whole thing, like
Speaker 2: with the footage, it's actually about twelve minutes long, even
Speaker 2: though Buck only captured I think it's sixteen seconds. I
Speaker 2: think it is of them stepping out and picking up
Speaker 2: or putting down whatever they may be doing. But the
Speaker 2: whole thing is about about twelve minutes. And at the
Speaker 2: first part of it he is actually watching something off
Speaker 2: to the left where he could see through the camera
Speaker 2: see eye shine and see your hand around a stump,
Speaker 2: so something was behind the stump and actually watching him.
Speaker 2: And that it was about forty five minutes to an
Speaker 2: hour later to the right where these other two being
Speaker 2: stepped out and we're talking about I think the whole
Speaker 2: thing started about nine thirty nine. It continued on with
Speaker 2: the thermal captures un till about eleven thirty, back and forth,
Speaker 2: back and forth. And after that, I think it's probably
Speaker 2: about two thirty where things actually started to die down.
Speaker 2: But when I say died down, I don't mean stop,
Speaker 2: like they stayed around camp the whole night. Myself and
Speaker 2: Buck sat up while Dine in the shadow went to bed,
Speaker 2: jumped in the hammocks and went to sleep. And yeah,
Speaker 2: myself and Buck sat up on the chairs because you
Speaker 2: know what we're pumped. We're we're excited, were pumped, just
Speaker 2: talking and talking about the situation and the whole time
Speaker 2: will sit in there. You could hear them doing laps
Speaker 2: around our camp. Couldn't see them, like too far away
Speaker 2: and behind too thick a foliage to be able to seening,
Speaker 2: but you could hear the heavy board peter footsteps doing
Speaker 2: laps around camp. We call them shotguns in the night,
Speaker 2: so when they snap branches that kind of thing, see,
Speaker 2: look a shotgun going off. So we could plan the
Speaker 2: shotguns going off around camp all my pretty much. And
Speaker 2: then yeah, as you most like I saw in the video,
Speaker 2: we get up the next morning and there's all these
Speaker 2: these sticks that gemmed in the ground where Buck was
Speaker 2: standing when he captured the thermal, and the things with
Speaker 2: those sticks in the ground earlier that night, when Buck
Speaker 2: was walking up and down the track, and I'd go
Speaker 2: up to him and we'd be both up there and
Speaker 2: we change the locations, et cetera. Buck actually went further
Speaker 2: than where he filmed those two beings, and I come
Speaker 2: out of the radio and said, you know, would you
Speaker 2: like a chair? So I grabbed a camping chair and
Speaker 2: I walked up there. It's probably about one one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty meters from camp. So I grabbed a chair
Speaker 2: and walked up, and I walked straight through where those
Speaker 2: sticks were at roughly one o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 2: they sticks weren't there. Next, you know, five feet in
Speaker 2: the morning, they sticks have been placed. But I mean
Speaker 2: the whole sage, which was just so exciting, basically as
Speaker 2: simple as that. I mean, like when when even to
Speaker 2: the point when when these beings were done and they
Speaker 2: moved off. Buck was in his position. The other other
Speaker 2: three of us are back of camp. Buck's coming out
Speaker 2: of the radio saying give giving his updates to what's
Speaker 2: going on. And I said to Buck at one stage,
Speaker 2: would you like me to come up to your location
Speaker 2: and say, you know, I've got you back? Because even
Speaker 2: though he had these two possible three beings on one
Speaker 2: side of the track, he could hear some strange noises
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the track. So I said, right, well,
Speaker 2: I'll come up there and have you back if need be.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I left the firelight from camp,
Speaker 2: Buck comes over the ratio stop stopsp sp stop what
Speaker 2: he said? As soon as I left the firelight from camp,
Speaker 2: he said, these two beings. They turned their heads, they
Speaker 2: looked at me, they looked at him, they looked at me.
Speaker 2: And when I left camp, I left camp with with
Speaker 2: with with no lights nothing. I just walked into the
Speaker 2: darkness with no light. And as soon as I left
Speaker 2: the firelight, I knew exactly where I was, but looked
Speaker 2: at me, looked at him back and forth, and then
Speaker 2: that's when they moved off with it without a sound.
Speaker 1: That the night you got the footage. Were you also
Speaker 1: playing classical music? As you mentioned earlier, we were What
Speaker 1: were you guys doing around camp that that perhaps drew
Speaker 1: them in to take a look at you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so near lok we West Dean plays classical music.
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest fan of classical music, but hey,
Speaker 2: so yeah, don't don't play classical music.
Speaker 1: Long hair, loud music.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: That was that was rock and roll of the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean, yeah, even if we come
Speaker 2: back to that, I mean, if it was up to me,
Speaker 2: If if it's up to me and I'll play Death
Speaker 2: Middle out there, I don't think we get many positive reactions.
Speaker 2: I think the the engine vibration of the of the
Speaker 2: death meddle when we go over to well but so yeah,
Speaker 2: so classical music, even the soundtrack from Top Gun, things
Speaker 2: like that, purely just to get an attracted I got
Speaker 2: a connection of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you just brought up a really important important
Speaker 1: thing here, Gary, I'm sorry to interrupt and everything as
Speaker 1: far as Top Gun, is it the original Top Gun
Speaker 1: or the sequel?
Speaker 2: Now? The original?
Speaker 1: The original? Okay, So it's a direct connection to Bobo then,
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Like the Yoweys are attracted to
Speaker 1: Boat because you know, Bobo was involved with the Kenny
Speaker 1: Loggins song Playing with the Boys. He was actually in
Speaker 1: the video, so.
Speaker 2: He was a little bit footloot, an't I something.
Speaker 1: Like that, more like belly bumping, volleyball sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dolphin shorts, Yeah, the real bobes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And of course you know it's a shame he's on
Speaker 1: radio because he really does have the physique and the
Speaker 1: dolphin shorts of a you know, sex symbol like that.
Speaker 1: Start interrupt, But you brought up an important point. Classical
Speaker 1: music and Top Gun soundtrack is what we got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. I even had a video there somewhere
Speaker 2: in my fine way. I'm sitting halfway between camp and
Speaker 2: back in the darkness, and next thing, a Dean starts
Speaker 2: playing danger Zone from that stand from that soundtrack, and
Speaker 2: yeah great, yeah, nice mate, nice, but yeah, both of
Speaker 2: you do that kind of thing again. Keep the white
Speaker 2: light to camp to create and attract. And we even
Speaker 2: get the get the camping barbecue out, start cooking up
Speaker 2: some moneys and steaks or sausages just to get that
Speaker 2: smell out look the average camper does again as an
Speaker 2: attractant to to try and hopefully bring something in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I think but with this particular area they I
Speaker 2: think we've sort of come to the point and the
Speaker 2: realization that it's not it's not the music or the
Speaker 2: food that much that brings them in. It's just a
Speaker 2: very high, highly active area. I mean this this particular location.
Speaker 2: Look up above, end below. When you enter a certain location,
Speaker 2: you'll hear a whistle in the valley below you as
Speaker 2: soon as you enter location, and then the tree knock
Speaker 2: on the ridge above you. So they're clearly watching what's
Speaker 2: going on. With this particular area. We found foot impressions
Speaker 2: for to be the X markers. We've heard old old
Speaker 2: men mumbling in the bush, which, as you guys know,
Speaker 2: like you could hear someone talking in a deep tone,
Speaker 2: but they're far enough away you can't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 2: So we've got that kind of thing. We've also got
Speaker 2: the scat that we found in the creek book directly
Speaker 2: below the thermal location. And this this this scat, we
Speaker 2: had it sent to Sydney for testing and with the
Speaker 2: worm and bacteria account you know, obviously tell the different
Speaker 2: levels of what we know what kind of animal the
Speaker 2: scats come from, depending on that that on that those
Speaker 2: levels of the worm and bacteria, and as you may know,
Speaker 2: the if it comes back at the lost levels, it's
Speaker 2: human slash primate, and these levels came back at that
Speaker 2: human slash primate. But when the the University City went
Speaker 2: to cross reference with cross cross reference to fin is
Speaker 2: with human DNA as such, they could not match up
Speaker 2: this scat with any known human DNA, so basically come
Speaker 2: back as unknown, which obviously it doesn't give chancewers, but
Speaker 2: it also gives us a bit of a bit of
Speaker 2: a positive up as well, being that they have that
Speaker 2: they can't identify it on any of the tables they have.
Speaker 2: So I think this whole area is very active, regardless
Speaker 2: of music, regardless of food, smells and that kind of
Speaker 2: thing as well. We still do it, you know, to
Speaker 2: try and keep that that predictability as such as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean the guy, the guys were out
Speaker 2: on Thursday night just gone and they got another two
Speaker 2: thermal captures from that particular era. Unfortunately, they're not the
Speaker 2: same quality or any groundbreaking thermals like well Buck got
Speaker 2: that that night almost eighteen months ago. But one in
Speaker 2: one particular you can clearly say there's a head with
Speaker 2: oyes and a nose, and then the other one you
Speaker 2: can clearly see a humanoid. Tod biggest standing.
Speaker 1: The stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff
Speaker 1: and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just progress. You just gotta keep going it
Speaker 2: doing what we do because unfortunately you don't get results
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, you said something here like it's
Speaker 1: not groundbreaking footage like the other one is. But I'd
Speaker 1: like to point out that that's not the point. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that you really are hitting the nail on
Speaker 1: the head here because you kind of circle back around
Speaker 1: on that a little bit. It's not one individual piece
Speaker 1: of footage it's going to do anything. It's going to
Speaker 1: it's a collection of footage that's going to turn heads
Speaker 1: and draw more interest. I just had a conversation with
Speaker 1: doctor Todd Dissattel maybe two years ago or something like that,
Speaker 1: unless I might had a face to face with him,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about the prospects of trying to
Speaker 1: prove the species the sasquatch in this case, without collecting
Speaker 1: a type specimen, you know, without killing one essentially. And
Speaker 1: Todd was saying, you know, he's a skeptic. He's open
Speaker 1: to the subject, but he's a skeptic. He's got a PhD.
Speaker 1: He pretty much knows what he's talking about, right for
Speaker 1: the for the most part, you know. And he was
Speaker 1: saying that if you could get a collection of footage
Speaker 1: and a collection of footprints and a small collection of DNA,
Speaker 1: all from the same area, that would actually go quite
Speaker 1: a long ways in a lot of scientist's mind towards
Speaker 1: the supporting the species existence.
Speaker 2: I suppose. Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, what a lot of people don't realize is
Speaker 1: that once you draw the scientists in, they will kill
Speaker 1: one and it'll all be over essentially, or they're going
Speaker 1: to get somebody to kill one or something like that.
Speaker 1: A dead one will happen no matter what, no matter
Speaker 1: what avenue you approach this problem, a dead one is
Speaker 1: the final result. But at the same time, if you're
Speaker 1: not you know, I personally don't want to pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, but that doesn't stop me
Speaker 1: from trying to get a collection of footprints and video
Speaker 1: and whatever else from one area. Now, Todd did say
Speaker 1: a collection of good video, which is different than thermal,
Speaker 1: But a therma is a good start. And the fact
Speaker 1: that you've gotten more than one thing out of this
Speaker 1: one area is groundbreaking. That in itself is groundbreaking. It'd
Speaker 1: be the same achievement as if you pulled a bunch
Speaker 1: of footprint casts out of one area, as Tom Shay
Speaker 1: did or Bob Titmas did, or Paul Freeman and West
Speaker 1: Summerlin and Bill Lowry and those guys did, And you
Speaker 1: are doing that groundbreaking work. So I guess this is
Speaker 1: me gently encouraging you to not downplay what you're doing
Speaker 1: by saying that that was groundbreaking. But this is not
Speaker 1: because I think you have to look at your work
Speaker 1: and your collection as a whole, and then you realize,
Speaker 1: holy smokes, we're really doing something here and it sounds
Speaker 1: like you guys are.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt, I've very muchly appreciate that, very very
Speaker 2: homewards And yeah, I guess yeah, we put that way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right again. Look I got back to thermals plenty
Speaker 2: plenty four print scat. There's even possible more more scat
Speaker 2: fan last night. Yeah, it's again. You just got to
Speaker 2: keep keep plugging forward and do what we can do.
Speaker 2: And I do the best we can do, really, eh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like you're being very successful and
Speaker 1: that in itself is groundbreaking. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: no one knows much about the YAUI of course, and
Speaker 1: probably even less than people know about sasquatches really because
Speaker 1: there's so few people in Australia taking an interest versus
Speaker 1: you know, in the States here, but up in the States.
Speaker 1: It's the data is showing that the sasquatches run here
Speaker 1: seem to stay in the same general area. They don't
Speaker 1: you know, move six hundred miles one direction and you
Speaker 1: know that sort of thing. They kind of stay put
Speaker 1: in this you know, ten by or fifteen by fifteen
Speaker 1: mile area or something like that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the case with the awoy's. I assume it is.
Speaker 1: But if that's the case, you're getting information. You're getting
Speaker 1: data from the same yaois again and again and again,
Speaker 1: and that is going to push the ball further down
Speaker 1: the field. You're going to learn a lot more about
Speaker 1: not only the species, but your individual group of the
Speaker 1: aoy's that you're dealing with, which will help you, in
Speaker 1: turn in the future get even more information from it.
Speaker 1: It's a snowball effect. So you are doing everything right now,
Speaker 1: that's going to be happier. There's a group of guys
Speaker 1: down there, group of people down there doing what you
Speaker 1: guys are doing for sure.
Speaker 2: Man, I mean, look, you going back to the population,
Speaker 2: I do agree that they do stay in a particular
Speaker 2: kind of era. We have sort of worked out within
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast Hinderland that there is a general general
Speaker 2: sort of four to five different troops or groups tribes,
Speaker 2: which whichever y you want a classic for what but
Speaker 2: gaing bar reports that come into us, you know every
Speaker 2: single day, the office side of people, whatever whatever number
Speaker 2: you have in your head about day population, it's not
Speaker 2: even close. Pretti. The wholes and coast of Australia it's
Speaker 2: just scattered with sightings everywhere, littered everywhere, and with those
Speaker 2: kind of reports. They come in from obviously different areas,
Speaker 2: different descriptions, different sizes, as in quite big and buff built,
Speaker 2: all too tall and skinny. We've also got the smaller
Speaker 2: beings well, the gingity brown jacks. We don't get as
Speaker 2: many reports them, but they do spread right through eastern
Speaker 2: Australia for the most part, from tip of Queensland right
Speaker 2: down to Victoria. So yeah, the migratory paths. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're as big as what some people may think,
Speaker 2: exactly like what you said, but I think their population
Speaker 2: is a lot greater than what people would expect. As well.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the ginger d for a minute. The
Speaker 1: brown jacks. Have you had such an experience with those things?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not. I've spoken to many people, even within my
Speaker 2: local community who had experiences and seen them. We don't
Speaker 2: get too many reports. I think the last report that
Speaker 2: we had come in was a couple of months ago
Speaker 2: from a bit further on the northern side of the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast, from a guy who was driving home at
Speaker 2: about eleven eleven thirty at night and he was doing
Speaker 2: about sixty five mile an hour and he's driving a
Speaker 2: w X with a big body, kitten that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: As he's coming down the road, he saw on the
Speaker 2: left hand side of the road what he thought was
Speaker 2: a rabbit or a wallaby or something like that. So
Speaker 2: he slowed down and then when he got closer, this
Speaker 2: thing stood up and he could quite clearly see it
Speaker 2: was a small humanoid, hairy figure. So he said he
Speaker 2: slowed down to about ten to twenty kilometers an hour,
Speaker 2: so very very slow, and this being then picked its
Speaker 2: knees up and like an Olympic sprinter, sprinted across the
Speaker 2: road in front of him. Now, usually with these kind
Speaker 2: of encounters, this particular person, it's not his first experience,
Speaker 2: so he was he was able to rationalize, rationalize that
Speaker 2: particular sighting and encounter lord easier than what most people think.
Speaker 2: So this particular person is part five gene. And in
Speaker 2: Fiji they call him the Lequa elie Ka. And he
Speaker 2: said they live amongst the mangraves, and it's quite commonly
Speaker 2: known amongst the fi Jeans about the Lecqua. And from
Speaker 2: his description over the phone, he's very close to what
Speaker 2: we describe as the brown Jack, the dunity three to
Speaker 2: four foot tall, basically basically a miniature yowi. H They
Speaker 2: from reports, they tend to get around in groups, and
Speaker 2: they tend to be quite mischievous as well, going through campsites,
Speaker 2: destroying camp sites, stealing things. As opposed to the yowi
Speaker 2: or the quink and the Dula girl, they'll sort of
Speaker 2: come in, they'll check things out, maybe tap the tap
Speaker 2: on the car, tap on the caravan, press their hand
Speaker 2: on the tent and fill your face as you're trying
Speaker 2: to sleep. But yeah, the same to just like to
Speaker 2: play games instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course our listeners you're probably piecing it together.
Speaker 1: But the ginger Da or the brown jack is a
Speaker 1: small sasquatch or yowie like thing that lives down there,
Speaker 1: three four or five feet tall, somewhere in that stretch,
Speaker 1: which has given a lot of support and credence now
Speaker 1: because of the discovery of not only Homo floresiensis down
Speaker 1: in the island of Floores, which is not that far away,
Speaker 1: but also Homo lose on ences, a new human species.
Speaker 1: It is also small, very few fossil has been recovered
Speaker 1: from it. But again it's another small three to four
Speaker 1: foot tall hairy homanoid, and even to this present day
Speaker 1: there is at least one and possibly two forms of
Speaker 1: small relic hominoids on the island of Flores where Homo
Speaker 1: fleuresiensis was discovered. Now, how they got to Australia, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Probably the same way everything else did, I suppose.
Speaker 1: But reports like this are prevalent and still go on
Speaker 1: to this present day. And my question to you, Gary
Speaker 1: would be is and then this I really don't know this,
Speaker 1: So it's a good question for me, I think. Is
Speaker 1: there any way to tell between to differentiate between a
Speaker 1: brown jacker, a gingity and a juvenile yahwi okay?
Speaker 2: I can only answer that from basically a witness testimony.
Speaker 2: So our teammate Shannon Guthrie, so a little a few
Speaker 2: months ago, he was on his way to work on
Speaker 2: the back side of the mountain that I live on
Speaker 2: at four point thirty in the morning on his motorcycle.
Speaker 2: Came around the corner and there is a small being
Speaker 2: on the side of the road in the middle of
Speaker 2: the road and he actually had to correct his line
Speaker 2: on his bike. They say he wouldn't hit this bean
Speaker 2: in the middle of the road and going from his
Speaker 2: description this this being was very child like in appearance.
Speaker 2: And then when we speak to other beings, sorry, other
Speaker 2: witnesses who have had gringity experiences, they tend to often
Speaker 2: give give the representation that the face of these smaller
Speaker 2: beings is very is very old and weathered, basically like
Speaker 2: an elderly person in the face. So that's that's really
Speaker 2: the closest we can get to actually differentiating between a
Speaker 2: juvenile yooi and a jingity. So apart from that, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's the jingity getting around in their little groups
Speaker 2: and the yowi getting around in pairs as such. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: we haven't come across too many cases where we can
Speaker 2: actually distinguish between the two.
Speaker 1: What a our footprint casts like after a sighting of
Speaker 1: one of these that you think is either a brown
Speaker 1: jack or a yowi or maybe a juvenile yady yawi,
Speaker 1: are there any differentiations or marks? I guess that one
Speaker 1: can tell the difference between those beasts and the footprints.
Speaker 2: Not that we've sayen we've only really come across the
Speaker 2: yowi footprints, and we have come across smaller childlike footprints,
Speaker 2: but they're often walking parallel with is like a fifteen
Speaker 2: sixteen seven inch footprint rob beside them, So we've often
Speaker 2: taken that as a juvenile yaley walking with their parent.
Speaker 2: I personally don't even think I've even heard of anyone
Speaker 2: even coming across tingity footprints to be honest.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we were showed some we were shown some
Speaker 1: stuff when we were down there where Ray Dowry actually
Speaker 1: showed us. Dougherty showed us some stuff, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell the difference between human and that. I mean, they
Speaker 1: looked human to me, and I would think that if
Speaker 1: these things are, if these things are at all related
Speaker 1: to homophoresciences or something like that, which I would have,
Speaker 1: I think as a reasonable guess that they might be,
Speaker 1: you know, don't know for sure, but a reasonable guess
Speaker 1: they would have some sort of flexibility in the mid
Speaker 1: part of their foot, and these that we saw simply
Speaker 1: did not, which is one of the confounding things about Australia,
Speaker 1: at least the things that I found to be confounding
Speaker 1: is that, yeah, you do find barefoot footprints out in
Speaker 1: the brush, but the Aboriginals, the indigenous people of Australia,
Speaker 1: never wear shoes unless they go into town because they
Speaker 1: don't want to get like civilizations filth on them. But
Speaker 1: for the most part they're they're walking around barefoot out
Speaker 1: in the woods, which really, you know, makes things a
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult to discern. I guess, so I
Speaker 1: don't know, do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's like in certain locations where we have
Speaker 2: found the smaller type footprints, we have to think rationally.
Speaker 2: We alsoys have to rule out what it could be
Speaker 2: before saying what it is. Which in any kind of research,
Speaker 2: regardless what we find, including last night, you always have
Speaker 2: to reule out what it could be before saying what
Speaker 2: it is. Not everything is how we will be related. Uh,
Speaker 2: And when we have found these smaller type footprints, we
Speaker 2: have we altously get excited. Here's some footprints, is you know,
Speaker 2: three four track impressions in a line gain a particular direction.
Speaker 2: But then you got to think, okay, well, we've come here,
Speaker 2: we've noticed that there's four drive tracks coming here, We've
Speaker 2: noted that noticed that people go to the creek a
Speaker 2: couple hundred meters dinner to go for a swim. So
Speaker 2: when we sort of come across these kind of things,
Speaker 2: we'll obviously have to take that into consideration that it
Speaker 2: might not be what we want to want it to be.
Speaker 2: It could just be people and kids walking as opposed
Speaker 2: to driving on these tracks to get to the creek.
Speaker 2: And again coming back to the terrain of Australia, it
Speaker 2: is very hard to actually get castable footprints on top
Speaker 2: of that as well, and with the hundreds of track
Speaker 2: impressions of found where you can see TOAs you can
Speaker 2: see heel, I've only made four or five casts out
Speaker 2: of hundreds that I found that were actually decently castable.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you can make the cast, but you're not going
Speaker 2: to say anything. Even with the trying to look for
Speaker 2: a mid tass will break, You're just not going to
Speaker 2: see it. So unfortunately, it can be very situational as well.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after these messages. I was perusing
Speaker 1: your footprint stuff over on the Yowi Hunters dot com
Speaker 1: website and that's a great website by the way, and
Speaker 1: some of these footprints and there's some handprints on there
Speaker 1: which I think are pretty interesting. Some of these footprints,
Speaker 1: the footprint finds are very compelling, very compelling, and very
Speaker 1: reminiscent of the Sasquatch here in North America. But something
Speaker 1: I'm noticing here, even if they don't look human to me,
Speaker 1: and there's some telltale field marks that you'd want to
Speaker 1: look to see if they're human. Some of them are
Speaker 1: reminiscent of human, but some of the ones are not,
Speaker 1: And they tend towards being fairly small, is what I've noticed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some bigger ones on here, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: there's fifteen, sixteen, even some seventeen inch ones as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, but some of these look quite
Speaker 1: small and quite inhuman. At the same time, I'm actually
Speaker 1: very impressed with some of the footprints that have been
Speaker 1: photographed and some of the few have been that have
Speaker 1: been casted as well, so good job on that stuff.
Speaker 1: It also appears that they seem to walk with very
Speaker 1: little straddle on their footprints, which is another hallmark of
Speaker 1: the North American Sasquatch as well. They're not quite exactly
Speaker 1: tightroad walking, as I've mentioned before in this podcast, that
Speaker 1: is really overblown in the Bigfoot community. We really say
Speaker 1: they're an exact straight line through the snow well it's
Speaker 1: probably an animal jumping. Then there's always a little bit
Speaker 1: of straddle and you see just a smidge of straddle
Speaker 1: between these left and rights that you have trackways photographed of.
Speaker 1: And they're very interesting and very compelling, and looking at
Speaker 1: some of these footprints, a lot of them remind me
Speaker 1: of other footprints in the data set here from North America.
Speaker 1: And it's really great that you guys put all that
Speaker 1: out so we can learn from what you guys are
Speaker 1: doing down there too.
Speaker 3: Some of those stuff we look human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them I think are probably human, but
Speaker 1: there are many actually, even some of the smaller ones
Speaker 1: that are in the human range that I don't think
Speaker 1: are really tiny.
Speaker 3: One looks like that Cas Dave Ellis got up in Washington,
Speaker 3: the baby four inch foot one.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at one right now. It is Nightcap National Park,
Speaker 1: I guess. And then we in Conservation Area, New South Wales.
Speaker 1: That little baby print is adorable. First of all, it's
Speaker 1: just absolutely precious, and it's with a larger one. But
Speaker 1: that even that larger one doesn't look very large. Might
Speaker 1: have been what nine inches maybe ten or something. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say. There's no scale item in it, which
Speaker 1: is also an American bigfoot researcher trait sometimes not putting
Speaker 1: scale items in the picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think also, you know, going back
Speaker 2: to the destrade as well, I do think people do
Speaker 2: often expect them expect they straight lawn track impressions, as
Speaker 2: you were saying. But from what we found, it's it's
Speaker 2: very it's it's very uncommon that they actually do find
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, even if it is through mud
Speaker 2: or sand. It's it's never really taught plot rope walking,
Speaker 2: as you call it. And on top of that, we
Speaker 2: will say as well, when when when people famed one
Speaker 2: track with two tracks, uh print impressions, I should say,
Speaker 2: and then I said, well that they simply just disappeared.
Speaker 2: What people often forget is that with the size of
Speaker 2: these beings and the length of their stride, I find
Speaker 2: that people make the mistake of looking looking and say
Speaker 2: half a meter to a meter in front of that
Speaker 2: of that last foot impression, you know, as as opposed
Speaker 2: to looking say two to three meters ahead. They often say,
Speaker 2: you know, these these tracks just stopped. But if these
Speaker 2: people a should look look ahead, look for maybe a
Speaker 2: rock or a log, or a softer piece of ground.
Speaker 2: You can usually pick up these track impressions as well
Speaker 2: and continue on following where this being was walking. Again,
Speaker 2: people often sort of look at the human stride and
Speaker 2: expect that a being that's going to be nine foot
Speaker 2: tour with an eighteen inch footprint is going to have
Speaker 2: half half a meter gate when they walk. Just what
Speaker 2: Once you can open people up to that idea of
Speaker 2: looking two to three times a distance they normally would,
Speaker 2: then you can usually pick up the truckway and continue
Speaker 2: to continue to follow it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's an excellent point and something that
Speaker 1: a lot of people forget. I deal with a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the United States, of course, obviously, and
Speaker 1: they said, why was there only one footprint there, Cliff?
Speaker 1: You know why because it beamed in or teleported here
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, no, probably, well, come, I didn't
Speaker 1: find any more footprints. And you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: callous an old jerk nowadays. So I said, because you're
Speaker 1: not that good of a tracker, And they say, oh,
Speaker 1: but I but I found that one and said, well
Speaker 1: you don't.
Speaker 2: You just don't.
Speaker 1: You're you might be used to tracking deer or bear
Speaker 1: or something like that. But as you're saying, did you look,
Speaker 1: you know, two to three meters, you know, six to
Speaker 1: nine feet in front of it. Probably not, And even
Speaker 1: if you did, would you be able to find it,
Speaker 1: because Sasquatch feet like Yawi feet are big and soft
Speaker 1: and padded and flexible, and they're bending around stuff and
Speaker 1: they just are not they're not. They're not things that
Speaker 1: are that are easily recorded in the ground. As they
Speaker 1: You might be able to find some trace of them,
Speaker 1: but it might not be what you're looking for, because
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for that clear five toed print that looks
Speaker 1: like a big old human print, and that's obvious, and
Speaker 1: because a big animal like that would probably leave one.
Speaker 1: Not the case at all.
Speaker 2: No, it just does.
Speaker 1: It simply does not happen. And you bring up a
Speaker 1: lot of good points there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, going going back to the hundreds of prints
Speaker 2: that I've found, I've only found personally five that locker
Speaker 2: cars out of hundreds. Again, going back to the foliage,
Speaker 2: going back to where did they walk? Did they step
Speaker 2: on a rock? Do they step on a log? Like
Speaker 2: a good little little little size story for you, is
Speaker 2: that location where we're screamed at, you know, those years ago?
Speaker 2: Going back to the location one day checking out another
Speaker 2: little area in our same location. Come across it looked
Speaker 2: like a party, like there was like thirty or thirty
Speaker 2: hours and out of the party running around this one area.
Speaker 2: There's prints everywhere. But because we're on the bikes, we're
Speaker 2: in leathers, because this is an area that we gave
Speaker 2: for a ride. I obviously didn't have any casting material
Speaker 2: with me, so I've gone out checking out all these
Speaker 2: foot impressions lay over the place, and then I tracked
Speaker 2: them down in the northern northerly direction. I'm looking for
Speaker 2: movement in the ground. Broken sticks and they stepped and
Speaker 2: snapped the stick, general movement through the area, and as
Speaker 2: a come as it come to one foot one movement impression,
Speaker 2: I found another, found another, and you can see where
Speaker 2: something has stepped on this side of the fallen log
Speaker 2: fallen free and then where the next foot has stepped
Speaker 2: over the log on the other side of the ground.
Speaker 2: Kept going and I come across like one left hand footprint,
Speaker 2: which is only a partial footprint. You could see the heel,
Speaker 2: you could see the big toe that was about it,
Speaker 2: and but the terrain it was not castable. Even if
Speaker 2: it did cast it would have just come out as
Speaker 2: a mess. And while I'm taking photo and via of this,
Speaker 2: I'm noting that, Okay, here's his foot impression. Look I
Speaker 2: look ahead, I can't see another foot impression. But what
Speaker 2: I did notice after that were two fallen trees, say
Speaker 2: two meters ahead, six feet ahead, that had movement signs.
Speaker 2: Movement where over top of these fallen trees. So I've
Speaker 2: taken that as the signs of this left hand footprint.
Speaker 2: That was the last step, the next step when on
Speaker 2: top of these fallen trees. I ended up tracking these
Speaker 2: foot impressions for like another hundred meters, I say, But
Speaker 2: the interesting thing to note about this particular situation is
Speaker 2: that when I was taking photo and video of this
Speaker 2: left hand partial footprint, the heel, the big toe, you
Speaker 2: can see the arch of the foot. It measured at
Speaker 2: about seventeen eighteen inches. Off to my right through the rainforest,
Speaker 2: I heard a bit of movement. I stopped, I turned
Speaker 2: on the right. I didn't see anything. I didn't hear
Speaker 2: anything anymore, and then I continued on my way across
Speaker 2: the logs again track these beings another one hundred meters,
Speaker 2: so I come to the culvert which went under the road,
Speaker 2: and from there lost the lost the track impressions. We
Speaker 2: decided to come back at night time. So when we
Speaker 2: come back in night on, I knew exactly where these
Speaker 2: trackways were, so we wanted to investigate this area a
Speaker 2: bit more at night. So I've taken a couple of
Speaker 2: mates in there. We've gone the exact same path that
Speaker 2: I took to final these track impressions, et cetera. And
Speaker 2: when we got to where this partial seventy eight foot
Speaker 2: impression was, it was gone. The ground was all scrubbed over.
Speaker 2: We couldn't find any track impressions at all in that
Speaker 2: particular pathway. But what we found interesting was that there
Speaker 2: was some tree limbs that had been broken off nearby
Speaker 2: trees and they've been jammed in the ground in the
Speaker 2: middle of this trackway that was there, I'm assuming to
Speaker 2: look like naturally growing trees.
Speaker 3: Was the ground soft or was it dry when they
Speaker 3: shoved the branches in?
Speaker 2: It would have been soft enough to quite easily jam
Speaker 2: gen me these branches in the ground. When you know
Speaker 2: I took that, is took that as the movement that
Speaker 2: I heard when I was photo photoing and videoing this
Speaker 2: this partial partial impression was I got busted finding in
Speaker 2: their trackway, and then once we've left, they've then broken
Speaker 2: these these limbs off trees, gemmed them in the ground
Speaker 2: to cover up the trackway and also to make it
Speaker 2: look like they're naturally growing trees.
Speaker 1: Now, that was another commonality with where you got the
Speaker 1: thermal footage as well, that what there are other sticks
Speaker 1: shoved in the ground, and that's why you said.
Speaker 2: Right, correct, correct, So sometimes some summer twigs, some are
Speaker 2: two three inches thick. Now, before we going further with this,
Speaker 2: I will say that mother nature does do some tricky things.
Speaker 2: So when we when we've often spoken of these sticks,
Speaker 2: people say, well, we find sticks and ground all the time.
Speaker 2: They fall from trees. Yes, they do. They one hundred
Speaker 2: percent do fall from trees. It's not one we related
Speaker 2: every time. But the big thing is when when we
Speaker 2: do find a lot of these sticks, there's usually no
Speaker 2: tree canopy above. So this, this this big stick in
Speaker 2: the grounds appeared out of nowhere. There are in locations
Speaker 2: where bushwalkers don't go, there's there's no trails, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And another thing we often find as well that we
Speaker 2: sort of lean more towards yowee activity is that a
Speaker 2: lot of these sticks when our gem in the ground
Speaker 2: is that every every other limb on the stick has
Speaker 2: been snapped off, so there's there's no little extra little
Speaker 2: twigs and that kind of thing hang off off these sticks.
Speaker 2: It's all open has been stripped off. Sometimes we found
Speaker 2: sticks have been snapped and when they snap them, they
Speaker 2: snapped the meat of the meat of the stick, but
Speaker 2: that they don't break the bark and actually twist and
Speaker 2: tie the bark around the top of the stick as well.
Speaker 3: That thermal say, it was like a fire break road, right,
Speaker 3: it was off there like the trailer you guys took
Speaker 3: in there, because didn't you when you found that was
Speaker 3: it an old road? I guess there was tons of sticks, chan,
Speaker 3: I remember watching a video on that when you guys
Speaker 3: released the video.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a it's a fire trail that links up
Speaker 2: to a walking trail. You know, with the amount of
Speaker 2: times we've been there, we've only seen one of the
Speaker 2: one other pair of people who were there at that
Speaker 2: particular location. Like we've been there during day and night.
Speaker 2: So bushwalks and stuff will often put sticks in the
Speaker 2: ground to signify it basically trail markers. But again a
Speaker 2: lot of these locations that we go to. There's no
Speaker 2: like we ourselves are making your way through the bush,
Speaker 2: So we asselves are creating that movement through the bush,
Speaker 2: you know, moving through the grass, snapping of limbs, that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But it's a fall trial which goes
Speaker 2: in a walk control, which is extremely rarely used. At
Speaker 2: the most. You must see the National Parks Department getting
Speaker 2: ready for summer coming and doing a bit of clearing.
Speaker 2: But that's really about it.
Speaker 3: Well, we're in Australia, I think it was. It was
Speaker 3: the National it was there. There have been some pole
Speaker 3: less than ten percent of the people and I STI
Speaker 3: didn't heard of it, yea, like they all think of
Speaker 3: the candy But when we were down there, like because
Speaker 3: I always talk to like everyone, like you know, people
Speaker 3: the checkout girl at the store, like a waiter, waitress,
Speaker 3: people at the gas station. I always go you got
Speaker 3: these stories, you know anything where and people that are
Speaker 3: I just say like, well, what about the candy bar.
Speaker 3: I'm like no, like the bigfoots are They're like no.
Speaker 3: I said yeah. They're like like yeah, yeah, I say yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys have something like that here. They're like no.
Speaker 3: I'd be like Yeah, there's tons of reports that they
Speaker 3: had no clue. It was like, you guys were way
Speaker 3: like it was like America probably like in nineteen forties.
Speaker 2: It seemed like, Yeah, unfortunately it's it is very much
Speaker 2: like that here. It's it's sort of been put backs
Speaker 2: like Aboriginal folklore. It's not really pushed in a public
Speaker 2: life very very much, if if at all. You know,
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, it's getting better. I mean,
Speaker 2: even though like with the amount of people that that
Speaker 2: that come forth to us, you know, being we were politicians, police, military,
Speaker 2: medical doctors, scientific doctors, scientists. We have witness accounts from
Speaker 2: all all walks of life, so the word is out there.
Speaker 2: But I think just the general population, it's almost like
Speaker 2: they will will fully ignorant to this situation, even if
Speaker 2: a friend of a friend might tell them a story
Speaker 2: about when they were camping or something like that and
Speaker 2: they just passed it off and drinking too much or whatever.
Speaker 2: But again, the last couple of years it has got
Speaker 2: a lot better. We just got to hope you just
Speaker 2: keep pushing forward and try and really get it out there.
Speaker 2: And you know, the last siding we had that we
Speaker 2: had come in was last Friday, and that was from
Speaker 2: a lady going to work and she sort of saw
Speaker 2: this being a big, massive black one take off on
Speaker 2: the side of the road. She put it on a
Speaker 2: local a local Facebook group as an anonymous post. She
Speaker 2: copt a lot of positive feedback, but she also copt
Speaker 2: a lot of negative feedback. And want to say she's
Speaker 2: because we found out it is a lady that lives
Speaker 2: in a particular era. Other was on the Facebook group.
Speaker 2: She again she posted as an anonymous poster. But we
Speaker 2: are starting to see comments and that kind of thing
Speaker 2: take more of a positive turn as supposed to a
Speaker 2: negative turn.
Speaker 1: Well, since you are looking for more reports, we do
Speaker 1: have a really nice listenership down in Australia. Actually, a
Speaker 1: lot of people down there listen to us. We really
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. I very often say Australia is one
Speaker 1: of the few places I'd like to go back to
Speaker 1: that we went to in finding Bigfoot. It was a
Speaker 1: lovely area, lovely people, lovely landscape everything and Yaway's are
Speaker 1: just outside of town. So anyway, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are fans of us down there and they listen. So
Speaker 1: where if one of our fans has run into one
Speaker 1: of these things or has information that might be of
Speaker 1: interest to you, Gary, Where can they get a hold
Speaker 1: of you? What's the best way to share their information
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure if they can jump on the internet
Speaker 2: and go to yowiehunters dot com. Alternatly, alternatively they can
Speaker 2: go to Facebook and go to Australian Yawi Research Official
Speaker 2: actually putting the official there because there is another group
Speaker 2: that is a similar name nothing to do with us,
Speaker 2: but yes, is actually putting official should come up. But otherwise,
Speaker 2: if you got to so at Johannas dot com you'll
Speaker 2: find all the information that you can find there. There's
Speaker 2: also a link button to the YouTube channel. Yeah, check
Speaker 2: us out. We are active. We are we are at
Speaker 2: there doing the best we can to further further this
Speaker 2: research and a positive matter.
Speaker 1: And doing a great job doing it as well. And
Speaker 1: fantastic results so far a couple as you say, not
Speaker 1: life changing, you know, uh, thermal imaging hits is better
Speaker 1: than most people yet. Plus that really solid one that
Speaker 1: you guys got, it's a really interesting, fantastic looking footage
Speaker 1: of two Yawie's not that far away from the thermal
Speaker 1: imaging camera. It's just draw jaw dropping. Really. Maybe not
Speaker 1: to most people, but Bobo and I have been poking
Speaker 1: around a thermist for like a decade or more, and
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, so it it is jaw dropping. If
Speaker 1: you have experienced with therms in the field, excellent job, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I look forward to the next piece of thermal imaging
Speaker 1: that you guys are going to get and share with us.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Well, cool gery. I'm sure you guys are going to
Speaker 3: get more foot it seems likely. And you got to
Speaker 3: come back and tell us and give us the news
Speaker 3: we need to do for sure.
Speaker 2: My definitely read lots more stories to talk of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you very much for spending the time you
Speaker 1: spent with us. We really do appreciate it. And I really,
Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, I really appreciate to get the
Speaker 1: effort and the time you guys are spending down there
Speaker 1: in Australia to try to get more information out. So
Speaker 1: few people are doing it down there, that's my impression,
Speaker 1: at least.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you think that the woods are crawling with people,
Speaker 1: but from up here, it seems that very few people
Speaker 1: are spending the time out in the bush and it's
Speaker 1: really good to see you guys are doing it and
Speaker 1: getting results on top of it. So thank you very
Speaker 1: much for sharing it with us.
Speaker 2: No, thank you, I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 3: All right, So do you a good day for us?
Speaker 2: I will bit, I'll tasting me beating side that you
Speaker 2: don't want to talk.
Speaker 1: To me, well you can tell them. That's why I
Speaker 1: wasn't on the call with them initially.
Speaker 2: Nine one walks you Dane.
Speaker 1: All right, Well thanks Gary, all right, Gary, you take
Speaker 1: care of Men's gone a good one by there you go, Bobs.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more thermally going to come
Speaker 3: from all over the world. That I mean, people are
Speaker 3: getting closer and closer. The thermals are getting better, cheaper,
Speaker 3: the bluetooth capabilities. I mean, there's just so much more.
Speaker 3: I expect those guys to get more.
Speaker 1: It's a no brainer, man. But the good information comes
Speaker 1: from those small pockets of various locations that people are
Speaker 1: actually out there doing it. There's a lot of and
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people out there who
Speaker 1: proclaim to be bigfooters and whatever. But you know, people
Speaker 1: have jobs, they've got a life, they've got families, they've
Speaker 1: got their obligations. How much time can one really spend
Speaker 1: out in the woods, And people like this team here
Speaker 1: from the AUSTINIANI and the Ali research team there, they
Speaker 1: they're the ones spending the time in the woods and
Speaker 1: lo and behold, they're the ones getting results. So kind
Speaker 1: of what it takes, man, It just takes some effort
Speaker 1: by a group of people working together or in an
Speaker 1: individual but spending time in the woods, you will get
Speaker 1: results eventually, especially if you're in a good area. Is
Speaker 1: what it seems to come down to. And it's good
Speaker 1: to know people are down there doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. God, I want to get back there so that.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I have not been back because when
Speaker 3: we left Australia, like I was talking to the people
Speaker 3: down there, like you guys are going to see you
Speaker 3: back here any yam be back. I'm we're gonna do
Speaker 3: some Yawi stuff. And I haven't been back since.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, bos Man, great great job tracking out
Speaker 1: of another fantastic guest.
Speaker 3: Gary Lynn.
Speaker 1: There. You can reach them at of course, Yawi hunters
Speaker 1: dot com. Really great website, great group of researchers down
Speaker 1: there and they're getting good results. You have to check
Speaker 1: out their thermal imaging, the thermaligion and imaging footage. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are auto reports, like I said, on YouTube,
Speaker 3: you got to check those out. They got the visuals
Speaker 3: with it, they got some great reports on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good job, Bopes. Can't wait to see who
Speaker 1: you line up next.
Speaker 3: We got some good is coming up, Cliff, so keep
Speaker 3: your pants on.
Speaker 1: I'll try to, all right, folks.
Speaker 3: Well that's another week of Bigfoot Beyond with Cliff and Bobo,
Speaker 3: and we were joined this week by Gary Lynn from
Speaker 3: Yawi Hunters down Australia. So thanks for listening. Hit like,
Speaker 3: hit share Until next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.
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