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we haven't talked since the uh since I was reading

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the Lutwalk book. Chris sandbatches here, Hey don't he said,

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I was a on.

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Speaker 2: We were on Pony Express together a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Ah, there we go.

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Speaker 2: When I go on When I go on Pony Express,

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I just talk like I just like like push everyone

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else out of the way and just talk.

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Speaker 1: If you if you don't do that, you're not going

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to get hurt on that show, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's what it's because you know, you know,

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like I think everybody knows I used to do like

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TRS shows, and so we just have like the really

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braining ship on TRS long time ago, and that was

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like like my early like formative podcast experiences, or like

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you're on a show with like ten dudes that are

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ten years older than you and like everyone has something

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to say about everything, so you just you have to

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talk if they're like just like you have to like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those are I've been on some shows. Some

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people who who are listening to this may not realize this,

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but I was on Timpoole once. Really, I was on

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I was on the Tim Poole Show once. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Just talking and everybody's talking and saying absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 2: Last time I was in Nashville, I saw like billboards

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Speaker 1: I remember you saying that talking about that. All right,

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let's I mean, no better time to talk about this

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subject than everything that's going on at Heritage. I mean,

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it's really showing. I never thought we'd get to this

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point where it people just see that when it comes

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to kan Inc and it comes to all of these

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conservative thank tanks that the emperor, the emperor has no clothes,

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of like strange not public facing projects with Heritage when

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like more or less corresponds exactly to when Fuentes started

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has involved. First of all, the United States has involved

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in a wink wink, not not a war with Russia

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where like, you know, we're funneling our entire weapons statu

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this very this essentially near peer engagement in Eastern Europe

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of all places, and the the Israelis choose this moment

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like you know, just like the unified establishment. We're in

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they're very strong Zionists, and then on the other hand,

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popular opinion is possibly the most unifying issue in American

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politics right now, is the idea of disengaging with Israel's

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bullshit because like the haves are something they've like, you know,

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they do just everything. It's like, okay, yeah, you know,

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unified American Israeli unified of American Israeli, uh, you know,

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action that sort of de facto creates this situation where,

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mean that's gone now. And really all it is is

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the vestiges of what's left of the British Empire, and

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as a general rule is tired of them, Okay, and

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party line establishment, from the sort of you know, from

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the need to really please anybody. So he brings Nick

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a real threat to anybody. But you know, so Tucker

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their influence over the government, Jewish history, things like that,

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says some crazy stuff, and I think that's scared them

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because what they see is they see somebody who is

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not only educating young people about this subject, but he's

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energizing them about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean, but like

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the thing that like sort of like gro great, that

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sort of lands on me whenever look this is that

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and this is speaks quite a bit like one of

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the reasons why I'm here to talk about the decoupling

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between actual politics and the business of media, particularly the

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business of conservative media, because I mean, any like Inturil's

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perspective is slightly different because it is existential to them,

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going to go to, Like people you know, like the

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Israeli supporters and the American establishment will say, well, they're

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going to go to China or they're going to go

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to Russia, but China. Neither China nor Russia wants to

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have anything to do with them because like this is

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a I mean, this is a it's a collapsing state,

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is what it is. You know, It's like it's there,

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their days are numbered. It's like what like one hundred

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miles wide, and they're entirely dependent on like exogenous support

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from this one country to uh to you know, secure

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their existence. And the way they've behaved in the last

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ten years. I mean, I was walking to the cafe

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this morning and like the local lefties have, like the

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local lefties have like papered, have like flyed the like

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in all of Carrollton Avenue in New Orleans with hunt

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the id F stickers. Everybody's sick of them. It's a

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dead They're politically, they are a dead letter in the

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United States. However, from their perspective, they have to continue.

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slow this down or reverse it. And you know, they

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don't have a great toolkit at their disposal. And so yeah,

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going after somebody who like twin days is it's high

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profile for them, and I think that's one of the

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reasons why we see one of the reasons why we

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see this sort of out sized reaction is you know, well,

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I mean there's a couple of reasons, but this is

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in fact existential for for the Israeli state, the declining

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American support. I mean, like really, I mean, you have

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but I mean, I can't after Donald Trump, I can't

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see the next president prioritizing Israel's needs in any way,

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shape or form. You know, like there's like nobody on

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the horizon that looks like they're going to be willing

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to pick up that mantle. Uh, And so like politically,

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it looks like to me, Israel is a dead letter.

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Like you know, they're gonna we're gonna keep doing this

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for a couple of more years. But as the boomers

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age out, and they're aging out rapidly. Now though, you know,

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the dominant political demographics in the United States are whatever

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you tell them in the media, they're they're sick of Israel,

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you know, And so you have you have this, you

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have this this disjunct between media messaging about Israel, and

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you know what everyone knows is the on the ground

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reality of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the part that's yet to be seen, right,

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I mean, and in twenty twenty eight, you could have

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both party, neither party running off of an Israel platform.

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But that doesn't stop that doesn't stop the legislator, the

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legislators from being pro Israel. And I think that's what

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you know, that's who you know, a PAC and not

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only APAC, there's a ton of other organizations. That's who

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they're they're targeting. But I mean, I think it's pretty

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obvious that it's pretty much I mean, it's it's over

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for them. They're not going to get the next generation.

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They're not going to get money from the next generation.

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Gen X has no money, Millennials have no money. Gen

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Z has less money. Right, So once once, once the boomers,

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once the boomers go away, like places like Heritage that

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rely upon obviously rely upon Jewish money and Boomer money,

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they're only going to be relying upon Jewish money, I mean,

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and then what is there what would be their message?

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Is it just going to be all Israel all day long,

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or is it going to be like some pet pet projects,

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pet issue that Jewish elites disagree on like borders or

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the economy or something. I mean, it just seems like, sure,

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right now we're at the point where it's, uh, you know,

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it seems like they have a lot of power and

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a lot of influence, But I mean, how does that

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Basically the whole world and like more than half of

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this country sees them as like a genocidal state.

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Speaker 2: I mean they are, Yeah, it's a bit And this

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is like you and this what sort of brings me

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around to the the company that I've the particularly you're

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talking about Chirocches, the company that in particular is interesting

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to me, and I just made a connection whenever I

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because I've been trying to figure out why this company

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why Salem It's a company called Salem Media, okay, which,

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like you know, I've been talking about him in group

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chats for the last couple of days, and you're like

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Stephen Carson was like who are they? And I'm like, oh, well, okay,

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this is this company called Salem Media, which is it's

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actually publicly traded, you know, it's a it's an actually

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publicly traded media company that owns really an umbrella brand

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and they have they essentially run they're almost like they're

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their nearest competitors, like iHeartRadio, Like you know what they

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do is they own lots of lots of small out

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with actually family Christianity dot Com. They had the Charlie

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kirk Show where they and they have the Karly Charlie

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Kirkshow or whatever. You know. The rump end of it is,

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you know what. But primarily what they're not is they're

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not Fox News, They're not Tucker Carlson. What they actually

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specialize in are you know, providing conservative leaning media, you know,

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like media property distribution to understood like smaller markets is

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mostly what they do. It's like if you are I

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don't want to be like you're like they have like

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seven or eight million seven or like seven million daily

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like daily reach or something like that. But it's like

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in weird places and you were referring to it's like, yeah, okay,

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so they're not going to be executive branch. Well what

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do they have and like what where is the strongest

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support for Israel in the Like where's the strongest support

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for Israel in the contemporary legislature right now? Like what

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is the most like what is the most ziant, the

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most Zionist, Like caucus of you know, the American legislature

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right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't neo cons anymore that call themselves neocons,

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but like a certain caucus. No, it's it doesn't seem

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like there's one caucus. It seems like it's more spread out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more spread out. But I'm specifically thinking of

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not particularly wealthy districts. You live in one, probably I

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live in one. Most of us live in one. Not

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particularly wealthy, uh, not particularly populated, not particularly important legislative

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districts that are incredibly conservative, and the people who live

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there aren't gonna be plugged into Nick Flints. They're not

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gonna be plugged into Tucker Carls and their media. Their

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daily media exposure is like, you know, kind of the

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way whenever we used to do TRS podcast, we try

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to like sort of like replace the like three hour

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talk show format that Rush Limbaugh did. And so it's

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gonna be places that they're not. I mean, I don't

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mean to I'm not looking down on them or anything,

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but their lifestyles are not plugged into the modern media scene,

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and so they're people who are getting their media sources

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via radio still or you know, relatively low effort markets

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where you can do this. You can like pipe pipe

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Mark Levin in or you can pipe you know, Ben

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Shapiro in or and then also the like the on

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and you know, I live in the South, and so

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I'm always I'm always hyper focused on Southern issues. Like

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white conservative, white male conservative legislators are the most vocal

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supporters of Zionism in the world, you know, like like

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more more so even possibly than some elements of you know,

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of Israeli society because of the you know, the Jewish

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capacity for self critique and uh, you know, it's it's

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largely through the rump end of like I guess what

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you would call the the uh the not the Russia invall.

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Who's the other one, the Georgia legislator I can't remember

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his name, new Ganggridge, the new the new Gingrich coalition,

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you know, movement Conservatism, the the Reagan Conservatives or whatever,

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the like that really strong evangelical background. Those are the people,

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those voters, those are the last people in the world

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that you can sort of shore up, that you can

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use to shore up sort of you know, Zionistic tendencies.

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And so if you're concerned about Zach the support for

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Israel and the American legislature. This company, Salem, is a

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wonderful company to go look at because they do provide

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that media service to these small markets and if you

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have low and Behold, you know, they just like they

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just had you know, they had Charlie Kirk. And there's

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an interesting thing about Charlie Kirk is that as that

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you know, behind the scenes, Charlie Kirk was a way

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more important. One of the reasons what we're seeing this

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like scatter, this scattering now is because Charlie Kirk was

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a way more important figure behind even behind the scenes

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then people even realize. Of course, he had this huge

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he was this you know, campus conservative, It was this

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huge media he was this huge like public facing media figure.

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But he was also an incredible fundraiser, you know, behind

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the scenes, and so he was not like and essentially

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every like the Blaze, Salem, I think even Fox all

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these because his because he was with Salem and he

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was his contract was set to expire, and there was

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behind the scenes there was this massive bidding war going

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on for who get who, Like who's going to claim

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Charlie Kirk when his contract was up and like then

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he gets killed, and so that's like that was literally

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the only plan, that was the only plan that was available,

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and in the wake of his death, everybody's had to

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go scramble to try and find these sort of replacements.

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And this is where the sort of Fuentes thing, this

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Flentte's and Tucker thing starts to start to become really

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really problematic, because i mean, again, like Salem is the

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company that I'm like being really bitchy with them right

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now that they're run by their new CEO. Is this

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man named Brad Parscale who is like so enmeshed with

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Israeli interests that he's been forced to register as an

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agent of the Israeli government. Okay, you know he's like

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he got you know, he signed a six personally signed

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a six million dollar contract with the Israeli government to

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promote Zionis interests, and that flagged him as like like

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obviously an agent of a foreign government to enough of

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an extent that the US government said, you have to

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register as an agent of Israel. Okay, And you know,

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Charlie Kirk like we'll say what you will about the

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idea that he was like backing away from Israel a

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little bit. And I think that says a lot that

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he was. And I don't know how much truth there

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is to it. I didn't follow him that much, but

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it's certainly true that after Charlie Kirk, okay, who is

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the next like you, you run into this, like Charlie

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Kirk's dead. You run into this massive problem, which is

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that every conservative and every every liberal, every you know,

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pretty much every centrist also under the age of forty,

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is so unabashedly anti Zionist and you know against American

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over over extension with respect to our support for Israel,

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that you have a hard time bringing them in, you know, Okay,

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And so you have this now you suddenly have this

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issue where you have Israel. You have a lot of

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this Israel Israeli money, there's certainly a lot of Israeli money.

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But you know, if you're saleing media, you've got this

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problem where okay, you're you know, if you're The Blaze

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or somewhere like that, who like runs this subscription model

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where the only thing you're doing is offering media. So

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like the Blaze, and like, you know, like the Blaze.

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I love the Blaze. They published me, for instance, that's

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like maybe maybe they don't after this podcast, but like

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and now they published me sometime. And the the thing

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that they do is that they have this, they have this,

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you know, it's an entirely subscription model and so and

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it's for media only is the thing that they do,

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and you have a hard time selling that. You have

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to have two problems. Is first of all, you know

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people under forty year anti zionists, and they're also poor,

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and so they're and they don't And because of the

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circumstances the way we grew up in that sort of thing,

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we don't really see any point in paying subscriptions for

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packages that offer us media only, you know. Okay, so

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if you're these media companies, you have this issue where

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your subscriber base is going away as boomers dying. Boomer's dying.

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I mean, like I was doing map on this a

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couple of days ago. What ten percent of the boomers

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that were alive four years ago are dead now, and

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00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,519
that you know, that rate of boomer decay is increasing,

474
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359
So the total number of boomer dollars that's available to

475
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,319
keep your media operation going is declining rapidly. And then

476
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680
on the other hand, to make up that difference. You

477
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,559
have to be increasingly willing to take money from, you know,

478
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,119
very wealthy interests that can provide you with quite a

479
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,480
bit of capital at once. And in the case of

480
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:24,519
conservative media, that is there's no way, there's no way

481
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,000
to slice the pie up in a way that you know,

482
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,839
specifically pro israel money is not a huge chunk of

483
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:31,559
that pie.

484
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,279
Speaker 3: And so they have this issue where they're more or

485
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,359
less beholden to these Israeli interests and they need to

486
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,720
replace this figure Charlie Kirk now, and they can't because

487
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:42,559
there's no talent.

488
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:44,599
Speaker 2: You know, they have all the money in the world,

489
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,519
but they do for now, but they don't have the talent.

490
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,240
And so there's this sort of panic going on at

491
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,640
this conservative NGO and conservative NGO and media company level

492
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,359
where they need to produce pro Israeli talent to spend

493
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160
this money on, to bring in more money so they

494
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,200
can continue their operation, and there's nothing there. And so

495
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,559
the flint the flint flints and Tucker Carlson looked really

496
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,279
terrifying to them. I'm sorry that was a lot of talk.

497
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,839
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I get it. It's uh, that's one

498
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:21,960
thing that people don't understand it. Immediately after Charlie died.

499
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,200
You know, the two things happened, Well, one thing didn't happen.

500
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:34,119
The the White House, the regime in charge, the one

501
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,599
that was elected to destroy the you know, the eighty

502
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480
year old regime, didn't take advantage of it at all.

503
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,759
They didn't. They could have used that as an excuse

504
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,519
to do so many things. They could have. They could

505
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,039
have plastered his name everywhere. They could have. I mean,

506
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,559
would it have worked, Who the hell knows. But they

507
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,160
didn't try to do anything. And then, second of all,

508
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,000
a bunch of people started what looked like auditioning to

509
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:10,160
replace Charlie Kirk. And what you found out very quickly

510
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,200
is that no one can do that. And then you

511
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,119
find out it comes out more of what he does

512
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,680
behind the scenes, like getting door knockers together, getting people

513
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,319
to getting people to go out and register people to vote.

514
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,000
I mean he was I mean in the last election,

515
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:37,079
he his organizing did a lot to get people out there.

516
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he could be responsible for a one

517
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,240
point six point as much as a one point six

518
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:49,319
point slide and the victory the states that won that

519
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,240
won the election for Donald Trump. One of them like

520
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,000
Wisconsin was the margin was one point two four percent,

521
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,200
So like arguably Charlie Kirk moved the needle on the election,

522
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,759
at least in at least in Wisconsin. You know, you

523
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,400
got to come a way to replace that. Otherwise you're

524
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,559
you know, otherwise you're in trouble.

525
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:14,359
Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem like there's anyone and anyone who

526
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:19,519
is stepping up to do it is they're immediately like

527
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,839
you know, I mean, I don't. I don't know who

528
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:27,079
this Bryle and hollyhand person is. I don't. He doesn't

529
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,480
even seem human. You've grown a lad, yeah, yeah, And

530
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,920
it's just there's it doesn't seem like there's anyone. It

531
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:43,480
seems like who's going to do that, Who's going to

532
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:47,920
go campus to campus to rally the young people? And

533
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,720
you know, then you have to ask the question is

534
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,279
then you have to ask a question, well, I mean,

535
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,680
at this point, is it really necessary to go out there?

536
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,599
Because you know, the way like someone like Burden. Jay Burden,

537
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,440
who is a Zoomer, describes it as Zoomers were either

538
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,079
far left or they're far right. Yeah, and if somebody's

539
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,519
far left, I don't know how you drag them over

540
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,039
to the far right. Maybe you do. Well.

541
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's interesting with respect to twentees is

542
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,799
that some of my you know, I'm like, I do

543
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,880
the egirle thing and do the egles on the left,

544
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,039
and I do the egirles on the right, and some

545
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,480
of the left wing, like some of the left wing

546
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,880
egirls that I know, have been sending me Nick Twente's clips.

547
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,119
That was why I started watching me again. So twenty said,

548
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,519
you know, twentys is you know whatever I said, there's

549
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,319
no talent. It's not true that there's no talent. It's

550
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,000
not true that there's nobody in there's nobody in a

551
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
position that they could go on that they could take that.

552
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,720
They could take some of this money from like Salem,

553
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,640
or they could take some of this money from the Blaze.

554
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,160
They could take some of this money from some of

555
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,559
these like some of these very wealthy uh, some of

556
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,039
these very wealthy of media political mg interests on the right.

557
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,160
They the talent exists. Jay Burden, for instance, is a

558
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,559
person that could do that. You know, he's he's a

559
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,720
very effective communicator, he's charismatic, he's not so far outside

560
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
the age range of like sort of university students that

561
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,759
he would like, I mean, I'm too old to do it. Now,

562
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,119
he's not too you know, he's he's he's a he's

563
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,880
a good candidate for you know, establishing an NGO and

564
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,720
like a sort of campus Wars type you know, like

565
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:35,599
uh like presence. But there's an issue, which is that

566
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,000
he's not gonna do the Israel thing, you know, uh

567
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,039
and so like the Probably the reason you get down

568
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,240
to figures like brilin hollyhand, why they appear out of

569
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,359
the woodwork, is because you have to go so far

570
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,599
down the talent card. You have to like literally get

571
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,039
into people. You have to like the available talent pipeline.

572
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Are these like you notice they all look the same.

573
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,720
They look the same, they act the same, they like

574
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,319
they have the same clammy little handshake, they all wear

575
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,320
the same polyester suits. They all came up in the

576
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
same pipeline. It will be like you know, like Boise

577
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:18,159
State to like college Republicans. And then there's like, you know,

578
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,159
there's that whole like oh, like Young un there's the

579
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,199
whole like sort of janissary of the political class pipeline

580
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,119
where you know, everyone is optimized for essentially the same

581
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,880
personality and to discipline where we almost can't tell them apart.

582
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,000
You have to go all the way down into that

583
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,719
category of people to find somebody who both you know,

584
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,239
there's two categories that people have to they have to satisfy.

585
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,079
On one hand, they have to be sufficiently they have

586
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,119
to be sufficiently pliable, they have to be good at

587
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,639
following instructions, good at reading the note cards. And then

588
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,559
on the other hand, they have to potentially be charismatic

589
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,599
enough to be able to carry to be able to

590
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,400
carry you know, carry on this Kirk legacy. And they

591
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880
have to or to be able to actually establish themselves

592
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,480
as a viable media present And all of the people

593
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,679
that can sufficiently satisfy, that can definitely satisfy one side

594
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:19,840
of that equation are explicitly not going to satisfy the

595
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,760
arguably more important which inside the equation, which is staying

596
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,559
on message. And so what you're seeing now is they're

597
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,320
having to go down into their like like you know,

598
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,400
like their double a team to find, you know, to

599
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,119
find pictures to go play the New York Yankees is

600
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,199
essentially what's happening, and they're having to like almost totally

601
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,800
abandon the car the you know, the side that would be, say,

602
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,280
everybody's been doing media for you know, for years and

603
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,239
years and years. Everybody that has like media chops is

604
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,159
pretty pretty not willing to toe the line there, and

605
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,159
so you have to go like bank on the fact

606
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,199
that you can astro turf these these people who are

607
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,360
not very charismatic, who will toe the line, And that's

608
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,840
the you know, that's the that's the conundrum they're facing

609
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,559
right now, and it's not going well for them.

610
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Well. Also, so say like a Salem Media, their shows,

611
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,880
the shows that are on there, any of these platforms,

612
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,679
you know, daily wire, everything, if they're choosing if the

613
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,039
talent they're they're going to choose to bring in, Like

614
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:27,360
you know, I'm kind of surprised at some of the

615
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,400
more anti Zionist not you know, anti Israel or just

616
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,519
you know, luke warm on Israel people haven't been purged

617
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,079
more from some of these organizations. But if they go

618
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,480
looking to like stack their roster with like these pro

619
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,159
zionist people, I mean, who's listening, who's subscribing?

620
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: Nobody is really I mean, like I know, in Salem's case,

621
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,679
some of the things they're really going deep in because

622
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,920
there is this like whole uh like like submerged media

623
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,320
network of like you know trad mom like like evangelical

624
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,960
trad mom. Uh. You know podcasters that have like they

625
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,199
have audiences of it as big as one hundred thousand,

626
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,559
but they're not like on Twitter, They're not on They're

627
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,960
like they're in there. They're in an entirely closed ecosystem.

628
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,719
And there's like an attempt to pull some of them out,

629
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,639
and you know, they're bringing some older they'll like go

630
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,320
bring some older figures off the you know, off the bench,

631
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,159
like you know, like somebody like Gavin Mcanis or somebody

632
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,079
like that. You know, they'll you know, we'll probably go

633
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,960
haul him off the bench and like and and you know,

634
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:43,840
put him in somewhere. But you're gonna what you're gonna

635
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,400
have to this is because they're trying to replace Charlie

636
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,360
Kirk and you can't you can't replace Charlie Kirk with

637
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400
one person. So you're gonna have just they're gonna try

638
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,880
and do this with like a like a team or

639
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,599
an overall and you know, an overall like space. And

640
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,440
then what they're actually gonna probably try to do is

641
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,199
just use volume, use like sheer numbers or he's going

642
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,480
to throw people at the wall, and whichever ones you

643
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:08,519
know move the needle even a single bit, are going

644
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:11,400
to be the ones that you know that sort of

645
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,199
that that that get lots of money. But you know,

646
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,199
there's another side to this, to this strategy as well,

647
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,559
and this is where Fentes becomes important again. But like,

648
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,280
I was a stoutna because I didn't want to interrupt you.

649
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,199
And that's kind of a like kind of a separate topic.

650
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: No, why don't you run with that? I'll I have

651
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
something that I wanted to bring up, but I'll write

652
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,760
it down. Why don't you run with that? God?

653
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, the thing with Flentes is that again

654
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,079
he is pretty uh you know, he's he's he's got

655
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,559
the end. He's he's really not all the time explicitly

656
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,480
anti Jewish or anti Israel. He's pretty opportunistic. One of

657
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
the things that one of the things to remember about

658
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,960
Nick Quents is that he spent quite a bit of

659
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,280
time hanging out with Kanye West, who is of my

660
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:04,559
in my generation, the two most savvy celebrity manipulators of

661
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:08,639
media are Kanye West and Taylor Swift. Okay, and so

662
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,599
like anybody. So like, Flentes has been hanging out with

663
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,760
literally the master of media manipulation, like almost like the

664
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,519
Donald Trump of the gen X millennial, like sort of

665
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,280
you know popular media scene, which is Kanye West. And

666
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,239
so Flentes is, you know, he's very good and he's

667
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,159
and I've been watching him recently. He's I've noticed his

668
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,639
delivery is good. He's funny. You know, he says things

669
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,920
at the right time. He presents a face of near

670
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,400
perfect authenticity. And I don't deny that any of that

671
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,440
shit is true about him either, Okay, but one of

672
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:50,960
the things that he's that he one of the things

673
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,360
about it is that he's not actually really all that

674
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,480
politically focused, Like he makes some he makes his money

675
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:02,239
talking about politics, but he's not. He doesn't have a team,

676
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,400
you know, any any moment there was to bring Nick

677
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Fuentes in on the team past years ago, he's been

678
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
like every team, every team imaginable, has spat in his

679
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,320
face to such an extent that he just doesn't want

680
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,400
to have anything to do with it anymore. And in fact,

681
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,320
it would hurt his brand at this state. So like

682
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,159
Brad Parscale or somebody like that, somebody from Salem or

683
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,320
The Blaze or even Fox could go to Nick Fuentes

684
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,880
and bring him in, like bring him in for a meeting.

685
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,599
And the only thing Nick Fuentes would be able to

686
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:37,039
really do to save his brand is to record it

687
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,119
and then make fun of it later that night. Because authenticity,

688
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,880
the fact that he does, the fact that he doesn't

689
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,199
have these these you know, these strings attached to him,

690
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,159
is a major source of his popularity. So when you

691
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,440
have an when you have an when you have a

692
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,000
when you have a like a rogue agent careening through

693
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,360
the media ecosystem, and remind you whenever you have a

694
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,320
media eco system, what you're talking about is a system

695
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,000
with a total number of dollars that's fixed and or shrinking.

696
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,320
You know, the amount of money in media is probably

697
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,199
not getting not getting much bigger than it is right now.

698
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,280
The economy is gonna burn, it's gonna get smaller. There's

699
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,320
not a lot of new influxes of money that you

700
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,280
can use to go, you know, go dig up other people.

701
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,400
And so one of the things you can do is

702
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,599
if you have this uncommitted rogue agent, which is what

703
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,719
Flante says, and he's like, you know, really he's adopted

704
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,199
this kind of anti Trump, anti Zionism stance. If I

705
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,800
understand what he's been doing lately, he's been tying Donald

706
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,079
Trump to the you know, he's been going off about

707
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,480
the Epstein stuff and like tying Trump to the state

708
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,400
of Israel that way and saying, you know, it's like

709
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,800
this creepy, this doesn't make sense. He's kind of right.

710
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,400
I didn't credit for that. There's some there's some yanky

711
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,800
stuff going on. But one of the things that's interesting

712
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,119
is that if you're one of these other companies, is

713
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,159
if you're say Daily Wire, or if you're Salem, or

714
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,800
if you're The Blaze, one of the things you can

715
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,199
do to combat You're you're not combating Nick Fuente's directly,

716
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,360
but you're combating the space. You're you're trying to siphon

717
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,400
people out of the space that Nick Fuente's is, you know,

718
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,440
the biggest figure in and one of the ways you

719
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,599
could do this is to blow him up. Okay, and

720
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,599
this is like one of these like like almost almost

721
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,079
three D chess almost forty you know, forty chess moves

722
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,920
where Okay, So if we say, if we have a

723
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,119
pretty fixed idea of what the market for, what the

724
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:43,719
total market the total market value of anti Zionist messaging is,

725
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:48,760
we can blow Nick Fuentes up and get him to

726
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,599
like something like ninety percent of that total market share,

727
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:55,320
which is going to have the effect of like all

728
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,679
of these other smaller you know, all these other smaller

729
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,119
figures that are also competing against Nick Fuente's for money

730
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:07,079
and eyeballs in the same market. Somebody like me, for instance,

731
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,920
who's like, oh, I actually don't have a position on

732
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,159
Israel to any to any you know, any great extent,

733
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,639
but like people that are in my cohort. I'm not

734
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:18,440
going to name names because I don't want to get

735
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,440
I don't want to get in on anybody's bad side here,

736
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,599
but you could take so then you have if you

737
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,599
have Nick Quoinsey suddenly, who's like, you know, Nick, but

738
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,840
there's probably a sixty five percent market share right now.

739
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,280
If you can blow him up to eighty percent market share,

740
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,920
then all of a sudden, these other guys who are

741
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,360
making their money in media, uh, and they're competing, and

742
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,840
you know, they're competing in the same bowl of they're

743
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,039
competing in the same pot of money as Nick Fuante says,

744
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,280
if Nick Puosee suddenly gets big, their choices are to

745
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,880
quit and go wor get Panda Express, or or to

746
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,559
start listening politely to maybe what some of these other

747
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,960
people that have, you know, thirty shekels, thirty show ver

748
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,599
secle shekels and a nice script that all you have

749
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,320
to do is read it and wow, seven thousand dollars

750
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,320
a post on Twitter. You know what you could do

751
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840
is you could blow Nick Flantes up to the point

752
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,880
where exiting the market that Nick Flante's compete, that Nick

753
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,199
Fuantes is monopolizing all of a sudden, so you can

754
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,800
start to siphon talent and even audience off, you know,

755
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,800
out out of that market, ship out of that marketplace

756
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,079
simply by actually blowing Flints up bigger than he is now.

757
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,000
And I think that's why one of the things that

758
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:34,000
we've started to see, you know, like God, we were

759
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,679
talking about this the other night, how there's like this

760
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,519
sudden surge of like you know, people like Dave the

761
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,559
distributists like it, posts a substack about it, you know,

762
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,280
or tweeted about it, just like you know, the the

763
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,039
marching Medieval like nights, and it's like, you know, like

764
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,800
like an old connate man ready to sit down and

765
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,719
have the serious talk with you know, like like like

766
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,360
Fluantas's supporters and you've seen this uptick and like you

767
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,239
know the fat old men from Iowa, maybe from Idaho.

768
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,960
What is that guy's named Doug Wilson, you know the

769
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,400
Doug Wilson. I The Blaze had somebody that did this recently.

770
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
I know it was the Daily Wire that had somebody

771
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,480
did this. Is where we're gonna sit down with the

772
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,639
gropers and have a man to man talk with them

773
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,079
and explain to them why all of the things they

774
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,159
believe are wrong and so on and so forth. So

775
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,159
I mean the goal there is to on one hand

776
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:29,559
blow Nick Flintes up and then and then on the

777
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,599
other hand sneak around the backside with the talent that

778
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,920
you have and like and point out Nick flints is

779
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:41,920
obvious shortcomings and use that as a persuasive pitch to

780
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,400
move them out of the Flente space and into another

781
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,679
space that you know might have pro Zionist interests, or

782
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,960
might have pro Knnique interest or might have some other

783
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,280
set of interests that are amended to the kind. And

784
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,079
usually the way they attack is on the front of masculinity,

785
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,679
masculinity and appeal to women, those are usually the front

786
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,320
that they take. So like, this is a real man.

787
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,159
This is what a real man does. And you know,

788
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,159
if you try to you know, and I'm not saying

789
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,039
it works really well, but I'm just saying that's kind

790
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,119
of where they're at. That seems to be the strategy

791
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:16,599
that they're running now. So that's why you see on

792
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,400
one hand, this like massive surge of interest in fluentes

793
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:24,599
in the mainstream media, and at the same time, like

794
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,360
the Rod Dreers and the Doug Wilson's are going to

795
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,039
sneak around the back and you know, find dudes hanging

796
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,079
out in the back, the back third of the Flentes

797
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,360
crowd and be like, you know, you know, hey kid,

798
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,400
you want to see a dead bird? You know, like

799
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,519
take that approach to them. And I think that's what's

800
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:40,360
going on right now.

801
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the interesting interesting things that

802
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:50,079
people don't realize is the fact that so in much

803
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,840
the same way people refute because they're so indoctrinatea they've

804
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,199
it's just what they've learned their whole life, that this

805
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,599
form of remit that we have, like the national government

806
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
can be reformed, like, oh, if I just get my

807
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,639
people in charge. And I used to think this way,

808
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,199
but I just get my people in charge. Just like, no,

809
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,480
this it's an anachronism. It doesn't work anymore much. In

810
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:19,719
the same way, the whole idea of like the the

811
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,760
podcast network, the creator network, that's dead, and Tucker and

812
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,599
Nick have proven that that, yeah, you just you just

813
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:35,519
need one guy who gets up there tells the truth is.

814
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,559
It doesn't seem to be to be hiding anything. I

815
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:40,440
know that. You know a lot of people are like, oh,

816
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,159
Tucker just doesn't go far enough. Yeah, yeah, shut up.

817
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,679
Speaker 2: He goes exactly as far as he wants to go

818
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,239
because he's Tucker Carlson and he doesn't have he's not

819
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,800
doesn't have to answer to anybody. It's like, yeah, you're

820
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,079
you're getting, like you're getting Tucker Carlson crazy fucking alien

821
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:59,880
episodes and like Conrad Flenn occultism and everything. You get

822
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,039
all of that, that's that is Tucker Carlson. You know,

823
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:05,280
like there's nobody forcing him to do any of this.

824
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: Right, But you know what people really need to understand

825
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,400
is is that the whole idea of the podcast network

826
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,800
the Oh, we have this many content creators who are

827
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,880
making tons of money and you know, we're paying tons

828
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,960
of money and they're not getting anywhere near the views

829
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,719
that you'll combined that Tucker or Nick is getting. I mean,

830
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,119
that's that's just gone. It's dead. It's it's it's yesterday's news,

831
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,679
and people are so used to it. It's just one

832
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,079
of those things that it's going to take time for it.

833
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:44,159
It won't take you know, this government will eventually unravel.

834
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,840
That's going to take a whole lot longer than you know.

835
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:52,400
I mean, look, I mean the things that we saw

836
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,039
just ten years ago when Trump came in, you know,

837
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:00,920
when Trump came down the escalator, and just the way

838
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,320
the way the Internet was used, the way Twitter was used,

839
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,320
the way things change. Yeah, things just a morph and yeah.

840
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,159
Speaker 2: We live in a totally different world that we live in.

841
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,159
It Like like I was, you know, was last night.

842
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,480
I was like, what some crackheads murdered and other group

843
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,159
of crackheads right in front of me. It's like three

844
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:20,079
blocks from my house, and I was thinking, like this

845
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,320
is my buddy dark Enlightenment. We used to always talk

846
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480
about how like it's like, yeah, this is this country

847
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,039
is going downhilling fast, you know, And I was like

848
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,119
thinking to myself, I'm like, yeah, like I still see

849
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,679
that pitch all the time. It's like when the lights

850
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,960
go out, when this happens, when things start to get

851
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,119
really bad, I'm like, bro, we're here, things are really

852
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,679
bad everywhere. You know. It's like, oh, that's that situation

853
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,719
we were talking about ten years. You're in it now.

854
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,880
You know, you best start believing in ghost stories. Same

855
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,719
thing worked with the media situation, you know. Yeah, like

856
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,280
the whole, like the the idea of having like a

857
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,159
spate of podcasters is pretty much gone. You have like

858
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,719
you have one guy now, so like you know, that whole,

859
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,679
that distributed flick system, it's like congealed in essentially an

860
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,000
authory Terryan centralized system is what it is. It's like, yeah,

861
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,679
one guy is the guy. The talent is the talent.

862
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now people just have to figure out how

863
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,400
to move that forward, how to use it. And you know,

864
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,159
because it's people aren't used to it. People, you know,

865
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,960
you can imagine how many you know, podcasters there are

866
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,880
quote unquote content creators are out there who are like,

867
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,280
oh I just wish I could get Yeah, I wish

868
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,719
I could get picked up by this podcast network over here,

869
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,039
and you know, the money will just start rolling in

870
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,159
and you know, I'll have such a big audience. That

871
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,159
audience is dying.

872
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like it's like it's like it's

873
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,920
like showing up and it's like Midwestern women flying to

874
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,159
Hollywood to make it big. It's like, yeah, it's not

875
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,639
get eaten alive, it's not going anywhere.

876
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: So it really seems like the people nowadays who are

877
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:03,000
going to be able to have a voice that people

878
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,199
want to hear. There are going to be people who

879
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:09,000
are going to realize that the old way of doing

880
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,480
things is gone, and you're going to have to figure

881
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,599
out a way to give people what that new, you

882
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:23,119
know what, what will be the norm five or six

883
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,000
years from now.

884
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't I don't know that. I don't

885
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,199
know that many people think, you know, because I don't

886
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,880
even think Flints and Tucker realize what they have on

887
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,039
their hands there. I don't think many people know what

888
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:38,840
that looks like right now. I mean, I think this

889
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,320
is an instance where everybody, like I guess ten years ago,

890
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,119
everybody was coming off the legacy media model where We're

891
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,639
watching Fox News, and everybody could pretty much see that

892
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,519
was dead, and everybody could pretty much see that we

893
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,960
were going to move to this sort of like low budget,

894
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:56,800
decentralized podcasting networks and that sort of end that that

895
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,920
was going to be the that was the new form

896
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,800
of asymmetrical information sort of dissemination. I don't think that

897
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,159
there's much of a consensus around what comes next from

898
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,320
where we are right now. We're one of these like

899
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,440
sort of inflection points where nobody really knows what's coming next.

900
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: Well, if if you're right and whomever gets the nomination

901
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,400
in twenty twenty eight, you know, and this is my

902
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,480
bias showing. I find this hard to believe that, you know,

903
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,480
at least one of them will be promoting Israel as

904
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,320
our greatest ally and everything like that. Seems like if

905
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,000
we get one that doesn't, well, that would be that

906
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:44,280
would be fantastic. What happens to these legacy think tanks

907
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,440
and you know, the the heritages of the world and

908
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,239
the eis of the world.

909
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,079
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I don't even really know. I mean,

910
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,280
they're gonna be flushed with Israeli money, with what like

911
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,559
with you know, if they're really like seriously aligned with Israel.

912
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,519
They'll still be flushed with Israeli Israeli money for a while.

913
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,199
But you know, I'm like looking at I'm looking right

914
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,320
now at their employment numbers and their expenditures, and you know,

915
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,599
you're looking at thousands of employees in Salem's case, and

916
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:25,920
you're looking at you know, they're this doesn't look great.

917
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,920
They're overhead for producing everything is large because like, you know,

918
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,679
we like we've essentially I can sit down, and I

919
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,360
can sit down a substack. It's been like I wrote

920
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,039
an article on the possibility of an American shinjin a

921
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,360
few days ago because somebody tweeted something that made me mad.

922
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:49,440
And Helen Andrews, the former American Conservative editor, she followed me,

923
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,960
and like Aaron Wren retweeted it, and then a bunch

924
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,519
of like really big conservative you know, conservative media you

925
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:57,599
followed me, and I was like, I did that in

926
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,639
an hour. I sat down and wrote that in an hour,

927
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,599
you know, and like I didn't cite it as well

928
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,639
as I normally did, but like, if I can sit down,

929
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,400
and of course I've been doing this for a long time,

930
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,360
but if I can sit down for an hour, and write,

931
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,559
you know, three thousand word article or maybe it was

932
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:17,079
two hours effect two three thousand you know, two hours,

933
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,199
three thousand words or whatever. This is what American chinjin

934
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,199
would look like. And like large media figures find that

935
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,760
compelling enough to at least follow me. My overhead there

936
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:36,039
was a whatever whatever, my fifty five dollar and internet

937
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,920
is divided by however many you know, like like my

938
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,159
overhead for that was like thirty cents or something like that.

939
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,679
And you're like out here producing these podcasts where like

940
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,920
your your production costs per hour because of the you know,

941
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,000
the massive number of employees that you have, the the

942
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,840
employment structure of all the people that you have, you know,

943
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,199
workingcau this is like one hundred and fifty dollars an

944
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,719
hour to produce this material. And like, who's listening. It

945
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,760
doesn't look good. So like, I mean, there, they'll they'll

946
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,239
be fine for a little bit, but I mean, these

947
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:15,880
they're gonna start getting really desperate and they're gonna it's

948
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:19,280
dig arount of money. And we do see that. I

949
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,679
you know, I have a pretty good idea of the

950
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:25,760
financials behind some of these companies. And I'm not gonna

951
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,199
say which ones I have a pretty good idea of

952
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,760
what the financials behind some of them look like. And

953
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,199
it's already bad. It's not good, you know, so, like

954
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,480
I mean, they're the we know, for instance, that the

955
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,760
New York Times doesn't make money. We know that Washington

956
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,079
Post doesn't make money, I mean wash it like those

957
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:48,119
are being bullied up by the fact that they have

958
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:55,639
gigantic endowments, you know, Wall Street Journal, WAPAU, New York Times, Atlantic,

959
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,239
They have these massive endowments which are essentially so they're

960
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,880
essentially headghe funds with a newsletter, is what they are.

961
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,480
And that's the ones that the ones that have successfully

962
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:10,920
transitioned that way. Assuming the US dollar doesn't collapse, they're

963
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,360
gonna be fine. But what do these what do these subscribe?

964
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,079
What are these companies that are actually dependent on subscription

965
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,360
monies where they go? It doesn't look good. You know

966
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,199
that they're probably gone, and I would like maybe ten

967
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,639
year timeline. I think there's a possibility they could all

968
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:33,480
be gone unless they unless they come up with something

969
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,559
else that they're offering to Gen X, millennials and Gen

970
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,599
Z that isn't just media consumption, you know.

971
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't even know where the future of

972
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:49,599
like think tanks goes. I mean, like, yeah, writing writing policy.

973
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:55,679
It's like, okay, so you're writing policy papers. Okay, who's legislation.

974
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:00,440
There aren't even lawmakers anymore, right, No one makes the law.

975
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,199
Everything's done by pen you know, in the White House.

976
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:09,119
And you know, if they're if they're not doing policy,

977
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,840
and they're just like what do I mean what research? Well,

978
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,000
who are they researching for? It really seems like, you know,

979
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,960
as Thomas seven seven seven says all the time, it

980
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,400
seems like the whole structure of everything we have is

981
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,360
to fight the Cold War.

982
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. I call it this Cold War sublime.

983
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,519
We like for the last you know, I break everything

984
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,920
up into these And are you familiar with the party

985
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,880
system the party system framework of American history, which is

986
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
like the first party system, second party system, third party system.

987
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,679
I have eight in mind, and I have the you know,

988
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,960
the ones that I have in nineteen seventy four is

989
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,760
the sixth party system. Two thousand and one is the

990
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,519
seventh party system. And then we've been in the eighth

991
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,159
party system since. God, maybe I need to revise that,

992
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,360
maybe I need to break that. You spread that out,

993
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,320
but I mean, yeah, they're essentially we are essentially a

994
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,320
country that is configured. And I've been on my show

995
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Library Mass Destruction, Capitalissimo, and I have been reading a

996
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,519
lot of stuff about Watergate, and it strikes me the

997
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:19,079
extent to which the American state, you know, the Beltwegh apparatus,

998
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,719
is still configured almost identically to the way it was

999
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,440
in you know, in nineteen seventy four, and it's changed

1000
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:31,639
so little. Like I mean, the actual things in government,

1001
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,440
the actual things that move government, have changed, you know,

1002
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,079
But the facade that we keep up, you know, the

1003
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,760
appearances that we keep up, are fundamentally from the nineteen

1004
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,840
seventy still and they're together fundamentally from the Cold War.

1005
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,280
And the money is about to run out, like you know,

1006
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,480
the money, the money is run out on the paradigm.

1007
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,400
So I don't know, like all those places they look

1008
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,440
like they're not they're not in great shape to from

1009
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,440
where my Advantage book, they don't look like they're in

1010
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,480
great shape, and they don't have any idea, they don't

1011
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,159
have any idea right now what they could possibly do

1012
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,239
to improve their situation. I have some ideas about what

1013
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,519
I would do, but I'm not I'm not necessarily offering

1014
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,840
those out for free. You know. That's how that's how

1015
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,519
determined I am that everybody is fucked Like this is

1016
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:25,000
like me, like normally I'll tell anybody anything anything they

1017
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,760
want me to on a podcast, and I'm like, ooh,

1018
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,960
that information is proprietary. Maybe I should maybe I should

1019
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,159
keep it for myself and my friends for now.

1020
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's the Uh, That's the thing

1021
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,039
is is that once you realize all of this is

1022
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:48,320
going away and it's just it's all anachronistic, you're once

1023
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,519
you figure out what comes next. You know, if you

1024
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,239
if you do have friends and you're you're not just

1025
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,159
you know, posting on the internet, thinking posting on x

1026
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:03,679
and thinking, you know everyone my tweets is changing the world. Well,

1027
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:05,400
then you know you want to play that close to

1028
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:05,880
the vest.

1029
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know we've been saying this for years.

1030
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,880
Meet your mutuals. Network with your mutuals. If you're still

1031
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,000
posting on Twitter like it's twenty seventeen and you're like

1032
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,519
a like an in cel sitting at your desk or

1033
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:18,960
something like that, if you haven't gone out of your

1034
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,800
way to meet your mutuals, like find people that you're

1035
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,719
personally compatible with, that you're sort of like, you know,

1036
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,159
vocationally compatible with. If you're not actually moving around in

1037
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,840
that network now, I would say I would suggest that

1038
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,320
you catch up real fast, you know, and like if

1039
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,960
you're like running, if you're running an organization that has

1040
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,440
like a media out that is a media apparatus or

1041
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,480
something like that, and you're like you're looking at the

1042
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:48,400
balance sheet is getting worse, I will say this, what

1043
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,079
you're going to have to do is speak to the

1044
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,960
needs of gen X of not even so much gen

1045
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,039
X here, because I don't really understand your gen X.

1046
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,639
I don't understand gen X that well. I don't understand

1047
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,239
how y'all.

1048
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,039
Speaker 1: I'll I can. I can explain it in very easily.

1049
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,719
Speaker 2: Nihilism, Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's nihilism gen x nihilism. Millennials

1050
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,159
are not nihilistic. We're not. We're we're I wish we

1051
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,599
sometimes we maybe could have should have been a little

1052
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,679
more nihilistic. We're like, we're like, we're like the naive

1053
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,239
boomers in a lot of ways, we're narcissistic. We believe

1054
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,960
in things. But speaking to the needs of zoomers and millennials, though,

1055
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,239
I would say, like offering this media is not going

1056
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,239
to work it. We don't even gen Z doesn't even

1057
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:39,360
watch movies you can get us to watch. Like I

1058
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,199
said this today on Twitter. I was like, you know,

1059
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,239
as like if it's like uh, Matt Walsh was like

1060
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,320
complaining about like the quality of takeout pizza of all things.

1061
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,679
I'm like sitting here like like really nikinga like thirty

1062
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,079
years after the total destruction of American culture, like you

1063
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,639
like like looking at your pizza and being like, I

1064
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,159
think my Pepperoni combo has been shrink flated. But you know,

1065
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,480
like I said, this was like I think anybody if

1066
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,480
you're in the business of shilling media, you need to

1067
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,760
find You need to find good food at an affordable price.

1068
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,320
And the food is what you're selling and then the

1069
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,519
media it comes with it. I was like, yeah, well

1070
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:24,400
listen to you, because it's somebody like for a seven

1071
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,000
dollars cuban sandwich that's made, well, I'll sit there and

1072
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,599
listen to you recite your shitty confessional poetry. That's how like,

1073
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,960
that's how important I think the food situation is. But

1074
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,920
you know, when you're like speaking to like millennials and

1075
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,760
gen Z. What is it that they're lacking, and it's

1076
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,199
IRL stuff is what they need. So you need to

1077
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:47,679
be able to figure out how to staple your media

1078
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:53,639
bullshit to an IRL experience. And I think the interplay

1079
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,000
between those two concepts and you know, some of the

1080
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:02,480
more successful groups that are operating right now, I could

1081
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,639
probably name some you No, I don't want to name

1082
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,840
any names. I mean, I was just out in LA

1083
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,800
for a Passage Press event. For two Passage Press events,

1084
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,159
for instance, they do a really they're actually doing a

1085
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:21,719
really good job of offering IRL experiences with actual real people.

1086
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,079
And then yeah, you can buy a book too, you

1087
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:29,000
know that sort of thing. I think is like, that's

1088
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,039
hinting at the direction things are going. I don't think

1089
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:36,039
anybody's taking it nearly far enough, but yeah, the future

1090
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,880
belongs to those who can speak to the needs of

1091
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,679
millennials and gen Z. And the needs of millennials and

1092
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:48,159
gen Z is that they need cheap ways to get

1093
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,559
out of the house, cheap things to take their family to,

1094
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:57,360
affordable entertainment, affordable foods, affordable like they need friends in

1095
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,239
gen Z's case, and in gen Z's case, suspect actually

1096
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,480
they need co ed spaces like we already talks about

1097
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,360
the degradation of male spaces, the degradation of women spaces,

1098
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,920
the degradation of co ed spaces is much worse. Like

1099
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,159
they're just not like gen Z, men and women just

1100
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:15,400
do not ever meet one another. If you could figure

1101
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,400
out a way to get the Panda generation to mate,

1102
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:21,159
then you're a billionaire. You know.

1103
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,639
Speaker 4: That's that's the that's the million dollars, that's the million

1104
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:31,039
dollar prize, the billion dollar prize, the multi billion dollar prize.

1105
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:32,880
If you figure out how to get gen Z out

1106
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,360
of the house and doing things, holy shit, you're going

1107
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:35,880
to be rich.

1108
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:41,159
Speaker 1: Well, you know you also you know what you're saying

1109
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:43,840
is get the hell off get the hell off line,

1110
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,920
and the you know what I would say to the

1111
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,400
people who you know think you know, oh I'm posting

1112
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,679
on Twitter, I'm making a difference, you know, as in

1113
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:58,760
a non or whatever is Israel is literally paying people

1114
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,159
seven thousand dollars we.

1115
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: Fished seven thousand dollars a post like where's my money?

1116
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:08,199
Speaker 1: I'm actually but I think the point, the point I'm

1117
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:12,679
trying to make is is that if if Israel is

1118
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:18,719
doing this and it doesn't work, then you're this is

1119
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,280
a dead medium. I mean, this, this whole thing about

1120
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:27,119
posting online is going away. So what is next? And

1121
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,639
without a doubt, what is next is what you were

1122
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:32,119
talking about, meeting your mutuals.

1123
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say get

1124
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:38,719
offline because like, at this point, I mean, I'm even

1125
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:40,400
willing to say, I mean, I live in New Orleans,

1126
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,079
which is like the like, the only people that moved

1127
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:47,519
to New Orleans are the most explicitly committed pit bull

1128
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:52,519
mommy LGBTQ activists, you know, covered in tattoos people. So like,

1129
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,880
most of my friends are people at this point in

1130
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,000
my life, most of my friends are people that I've

1131
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,519
met online. However, I have done. I have done considerably

1132
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:05,440
more than the average person in the last decade or

1133
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,119
so towards meeting my mutuals and so on and so forth,

1134
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,639
and so like, I I have met a lot of

1135
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:16,679
people online, and they that I consider to be really

1136
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,000
good friends of mine. This would not be the case, however,

1137
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,400
had I not gone out and met them and not

1138
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:27,000
put like Charlemagne or whatever. I met Charlemagne six years ago,

1139
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,400
you know, Okay, like we were in DC at the

1140
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,679
same time, and you know we're going to you know,

1141
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,880
like like all going to the same sort of event,

1142
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,519
and you know, I was like, yeah, yeah, let's hang out.

1143
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:41,440
You know, I'm probably most of the people that I

1144
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,400
speak to and see on a day to day, week

1145
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,880
to week basis, or people that I met online. But

1146
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,719
if you haven't done that, then you probably need to

1147
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:52,239
find it real fast. And like you're gonna and if

1148
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,239
you haven't done anything like that, you're gonna need help.

1149
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,360
So you're gonna need you know, you're gonna need to

1150
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,119
be shunted into a group. You're gonna need You're gonna

1151
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:02,159
need to find these networks and get vetted by them

1152
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:04,480
and get you know, get stuck in them and that

1153
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:06,679
sort of thing. And yeah, that's I mean, that is

1154
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:10,199
the future. So yeah, get offline. But I think still

1155
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,440
where we're at now, being online is a huge component

1156
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,000
of getting offline, just because also yeah.

1157
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, also the way you can use I mean, if

1158
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,800
you want to stay if you're online, maybe you should

1159
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,320
be figuring out ways to use that to make money

1160
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,719
or to you know, not by making seven thousand dollars posts.

1161
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:40,079
But you know, whatever you're doing, that time is spent.

1162
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,480
It is better spent doing something productive then, I mean shit,

1163
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,920
I mean ship posting is literally twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen.

1164
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are you building? Are you building? You're like, yeah,

1165
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,840
you be online, but you need to be building something.

1166
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,039
You need to be building something to be part of

1167
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,719
something that's being built or you know, yeah, you need

1168
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,440
everything needs to be done with considerable intentionality. There's like

1169
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:10,920
not any real room for online nihilism at this point.

1170
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:14,480
Like that's you know, as the great, the Great Nick

1171
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,439
Land once said, garbage time is running out.

1172
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Speaker 1: You know, all right, you already mentioned that you you know,

1173
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,880
you have you have a project going with uh with Capitalisimo.

1174
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Tell everybody where they can find your work.

1175
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: Every good lord that's getting the list of things that

1176
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,119
I've that I do is getting kind of long. Yeah,

1177
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:39,680
I'm on of course, we could see my name down

1178
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,760
there in my my little avatar. I write on substack

1179
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:48,359
at Ecologic Americana and wow, everybody has been this has

1180
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,359
been a great year for me on substack. I'm actually people.

1181
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,520
It surprises me that people are willing to pay to

1182
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,560
listen to my bullshit and apparently something you all are

1183
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,680
and like knowing that, but I mostly do poetry now

1184
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,079
and people read it. You know, I'm like, what the

1185
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,239
hell that's incredible, So like I'm on ecological American it.

1186
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,279
This is my substack. I do a show with Capitalisimo

1187
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,600
called Library of Mass Destruction where we really what we

1188
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,039
do is we do the way Capitalisimo describes it is

1189
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:26,039
Sandbach psychoanalyzes himself. And then there's an attached read along

1190
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,079
where we do like parapolitical stuff I've done in k

1191
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:32,760
Ultra we did we just did Watergate, Gulf of Tonkin,

1192
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,600
and we're between books right now, so we're gonna go

1193
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,000
We're going to go do We're wait, wait on Capitalism

1194
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:40,239
to pick the book, and then we're going to pick

1195
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:44,359
that up again. And then you know, my writing is sporadic.

1196
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,680
It's all over the place. Spectra Poets, which is one

1197
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,520
of my here's an example of the kind of of

1198
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,199
the kind of way that you can use online interaction.

1199
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,199
So like, this is something that happened to me. So

1200
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,359
I was out in LA recently and I was at

1201
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:02,439
the SI Swoon side I Swoon release thing, which is

1202
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,600
for which was for the literary imprint not a Ritual,

1203
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,359
which is one of the imprints that Lomez has spun

1204
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,199
up under the passage umbrella, and I was out there

1205
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:16,279
to meet one of my friends and she was working

1206
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:18,479
the door. And so like whenever I got whenever I

1207
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:19,960
got to the party or whatever, it's like, you know,

1208
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,600
I got to work the door, go inside, have fun

1209
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,119
or whatever. I walk in and immediately, you know, I'm

1210
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,199
like looking around, you know, because it's a room like whoa,

1211
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:29,760
you're in la and like somebody screams. She had chatted

1212
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,239
me across the room and I looked at her for

1213
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,319
a minute. It was it was it was Erica Avey,

1214
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:37,960
who publishes Spectra Pullets, and you know, we started talking

1215
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:39,600
or whatever, and she was like, I want to publish

1216
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,520
you and I sent her some stuff and she published

1217
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,880
it a couple of days ago on It's Spectra Pullets.

1218
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,840
So that's that's over there. And then the next day

1219
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,560
she published down a Krivelopova, who's another good friend of

1220
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,479
mine that I met from online. And then of course

1221
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,920
today she's actually started up quite a stint because she

1222
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,680
published some of the Jarvin's poetry. And of course you

1223
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,159
are it is another guy that I've met from like online.

1224
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:05,000
So that's the way, you know, just like you could

1225
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:08,760
use the Internet to get into these spaces where you know, uh,

1226
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,119
you know, you meet people in real life, and so

1227
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:12,800
that's what I've been doing. And then I've got God,

1228
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,560
I've got two books that are coming out. I'm trying

1229
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,760
to get both of them out before the end of

1230
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,720
the year. And then I'm attached to that. I have

1231
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,039
another project that I'm about to get spun up. And

1232
01:11:22,079 --> 01:11:25,479
then of course you can always find you can usually

1233
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,760
find me around the OGC Nebulai because that's the group

1234
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,680
that I like to do the most with because I

1235
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,720
think they're the best. So that's that's the shills.

1236
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Let's do it again real soon until

1237
01:11:39,039 --> 01:12:00,319
the next time. Yeah, oh yeah, thanks h