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give just like a quick elevator pitch of your thought
the john Wick franchise also you know, spois, but just
like a quick like where you are the franchise, and
then give your non sports some ballerina.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I did not start watching john Wick right away.
When when that franchise came out, I got around after Parabellum,
I popped in the theaters and I watched uh oh,
what did it?
Speaker 2: I didn't watch Parabellum.
Speaker 3: Right away, but I knew it was out my my
climbing my classmates, we were all talking about it, and
so I thought, Okay, I'm going to I'm gonna give
this a go. I'm gonna watch the first one. I
watched the first one and I was like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: This was great.
Speaker 3: But the second one on I kept it going and
then watched the third one all within like a weekends,
like this is just awesome.
Speaker 2: And so john Wick.
Speaker 3: Four came out and I was ready that that was great.
Doing the retro was fantastic.
Speaker 2: And that movie is just the be's knees.
Speaker 3: I think that was my number one for the year,
to be honest, I can't remember for I got dethroned,
but it was just great.
Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
Speaker 3: It was a banger way to kick off the New year,
just getting that movie. So New Year, wasn't that like
a January February?
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought was March. I thought you meant like
New Decade. I was like, this is twenty twenty three,
but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: No, but yeah, getting into this, I had a lot
of excitement just because John Wick the last one we
ended off with, and I went back and I rewatched
for the last week in anticipation for this and.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, watched the most epic action movie
all time.
Speaker 3: Well I thought we're going to be getting something on
par with that, or like, how are they going to
top off the last one and whatnot. And I think
that this movie does a lot of good things in
its own way, and the sense of world building which
is interesting, but it's not necessarily something that I want
from this world. When I watched john Wick, maybe I
feel like, Okay, it's just gonna be a film filled
to the brim with NPCs and whatnot. But they really
dive into different aspects of what's going on. And then
things get a little convoluted because you made a few
points which we'll talk about on the spoilers where I
don't think it's any secret he's all over the marketing,
but John Wick and how that aligns with his timeline
in the films and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So there's a few things.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, like I think,
I really like annormous. I think she's fantastic, and especially
seeing her the first time I saw her in this
kind of a role was back with James Bond, just
her kind of kick ass. Yeah, she was awesome in that.
So getting to see her really flesh out this fighting
character here as eve.
Speaker 2: I like it and yeah, but at the.
Speaker 3: Same time, I guess she I want to say that's
a spoiler.
Speaker 2: It's at the end of the day, it's not a.
Speaker 3: Perfect movie, and I feel like they could have wrote
her and made her.
Speaker 2: A little bit better in this sense.
Speaker 3: But as far as I'm concerned, Ana Dharmas just fucking
brings it and she's fantastic. She's she's really really awesome, So.
Speaker 1: It's nothing wrong with her just writing critiques.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it done, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, my friend, my many history here is I
remember when the movie, the first one was coming out
and there was that meme of like, yeah, it looked
like a straight to DVD and everything like that. But
I liked Keanu, so I saw it. But I agreed
with everybody's like, god, this is probably just gonna be
another very type of action. And that was in the
time where Keana was doing some of those straight to
DVD sort of era of stuff that's like, okay, probably
not for the best there, but I watched because, like,
you know, seems simple enough. I liked the hook. It
always is like we talked about many times with movies,
like half the battle of getting people interested in is
the hook, and the hook of oh you kill the dog,
revenge easy and I'm a dog guy, so I could
definitely understand. And then we watched a movie there's even
more meaning to that dog, So so watched that and
I really enjoyed that. And which was funny a long
time ago in the I can't remember when it was,
what year it was, but me, Dylan and Kyle and Amber,
we're gonna go see it and review it for the
podcast John Wick two. But this isn't funny enough, Taylor.
We saw it at our theater called the Cineplex here
in Kelowna, and it's like a nicer theory where lots
of small seats, but the seats rereclined and they're very
comfy and stuff in though my seat had seen some
better days because some of the blather was coming off
wasn't good. But I didn't get a new seat like Taylor.
But we went to go see it. But this was
like the early days this seat are just starting. So
we got there and it was completely sold out. And
that's something where it's like in that especially back then.
It was a bigger movie. It's easy to sell that
theater out because many small like it's a smaller theater
as far as seating wise. So I remember that happened.
And then we went back to Dyllan's place and record
Gauntlet stuff. So and then I was like, oh, I'll
get around a scene this at some point. It never did.
And then by time the third one was already out,
I never did. And then luckily for four, I don't
know how, we just kind of all agreed, like, oh,
let's do this as a retro finally watch them. In
my history, I have a weird history with the franchise
because I love the first one, and then two I
did not love as much, but I think I liked
it enough. And then three I remember having a lot
of issues with so my trajectory was like starting high
and going down, down, down. But then john Wick four,
I don't care. It might be recency bias. It's been
a couple of years now. I still feel that as
the greatest action movie of all time. Now, if they
do some certain things in john Wick five, I will
probably actually take down the score and take that away,
because I think there's consequences that they did in that
movie that if you do another one it kind of
ruins it, you know, But that movie just from a
filmmaking perspective, it is an action epic. You don't get
many those. You get like sci fi epics and you know,
Sores and sand epic. This is an action epic, you know.
And so for this I was excited, but mostly just
because like I like an A Day Armas and that's
that's about it. Like I'm like, okay, more in this world.
The Ballerina is. I liked the concept in the john
Wick movies, but I wasn't like I can't wait to
see that, you know, like the one I can't wait
to see I can't remember her name, but they're doing
that Caine spin off with him and the daughter of
the japan content Awa, and that was a character, the
daughter Cram. I just watched the movie a couple of
days ago, for got, but that's when we was like, oh,
I really want that spin off. So it's like, okay,
I get this take some function of the john Wick
world spin it off, but I was never like, oh,
I can't wait for this. And that's pretty much my
review of this movie, where I think this is like
a fine enough movie. Don't think it's bad, don't think
it's great. It's just kind of very I'm very lukewarm
on it, but not in a way like I'm offended.
I think that's a good thing of like, oh man,
I want this to be great, like I think from
trailers whatnot I saw. It's just like I never saw
a moment where I was like, oh, I can't wait
for this. And even like I said with john Wick
four when and Dylan was like me, I think and
also give it a perfect score close to me and
him were very down on john Wick going to chapter
four and it blew me away. So it's not like
my big franchise or anything. I really enjoy four though
four is amazing. I think the number one issue is
Taylor's right. Is some of the writing right, saying write
and write together just it hurts my brain, But he
is correct, and some of the writing is a bit lacking.
Because here's the thing that's hard on Anna day Armaus
is you mentioned that in No Time to Die, and
she is in that movie for I don't know less
than ten minutes, even closer to five. Like she's a
very small she's all over the marketing, but She's a
very small character, but that character pops and is so
charismatic and so fun. It's a breath of fresh air
to the point that people don't want James vond spinoffs.
People want to spin off of her when that movie
came on, like, oh, let's see that. The problem I
think here has nothing to do with her is I
think they kind of just made her like a female
John Wick. And the problem is she's not Keanu Reeves,
she's not Nicholas Cage, she's not Christopher Walking. She's not
like even like a Catherine hawn Or. I'm trying to
think of like another female that just has like such
a big and I don't know why my mind went
to Lucy old Ball, but I guess so. Like I
think there's things that no matter what, you can put
Keanu reason Room and Hanna in the script and the
way he just says stuff just sounds fun, like when
he goes, yeah, like it's just great. Where hond armis
is as far as acting, she is light years better
than Keanu rees is like an actor, but she doesn't
have like that aura like and you can't that's something
like Keanu and Nick Cage. That's not an or they
do some acting, of course, don't get me wrong, they
can have some great performers, but they just have a
natural something about them. So that's why with John Wick,
he can kind of be stoic and just walk and
make some faces because it's like, oh, you're just having
Keana just fill up with that type of stoic chrisma
where Onti Armist doesn't have that. And that's the thing
where they don't give her a fun character. I think
there's some writings like all problems all around, but just
the character alone, it's just like another stole. It's just
female John something bad happened to her. She's stoic. She's
going through like similar issues that he is as far
as deciding what she wants to do or not do
and who to kill not to kill. She's like a friendly.
It's like not like like John Wick will kill people,
but he'll have a line right even in this movie
we see like he tries to figure things out first.
She's the same way. Her very first job minor sports
like doesn't kill like one of the main targets. So
it's like, okay, So that was my issue where it
just felt too same. Where at least with that Cane
spinoff coming on coming up. That character is very different
than john Wick, right so, and even the girl that
was the Japanese the Continental's daughter, very different, very more
emotion filled and has a different journey, I guess, even
though her journey's gonna be killed my dad. So we
got a couple of those going on. So I think
that was the problem with her being the lead. Was
nothing to do with her. It's just they should have
wrote the character to me differently. And then the other
thing I was kind of hoping for was maybe to
go back to basics a little more. And that's funny
because me and Taya talked a little bit of the
car where Tayla is more on the john Wick four
training one some more like that, where I was wanting
some or like john Wick won because they do. I
feel like the timeline they set up with our character.
I don't think she can't not be good at these
things and kill a bunch of people and be very talented.
I just think they made her john Wick for god
tear as far as how she can fight and she
can take out a room of fifty people, or like
I was saying with Taylor in the car john Wick
started as like, oh, it's a house of Asian with
like six dudes, and it was like, okay, at six,
it's eight, and then the finale's twelve. That's big, and
then we got john Wick four. It's like he's taken
on a planet pretty much right where in this it's
we kind of get that journey right away or the
first I get small, but then she's taking on dozens
and dozens of people and in the timeframe they set
her up with, it just felt kind of easy. So
and I will say I hated that the entity was
in this as well. No I'm joking, but d yeah,
I was like, what, it's not as bad as the entity,
but I did not enjoy the main bad guys. I
think again, there's some things with john Wick two and
three that I get there building the world, but there's
just some things about the choices I didn't love, whether
they felt too over the top or they kind of
just it felt cheesy in a sense that was an
easy get ed of jail free card just big, Well,
that's how we can support a bunch of enemies coming
at you. This did that too, where the reveal of
what she's up against is something completely made up. It's
a prequel thing where it's like, you've never heard of this,
but this is the worst thing around. It's like, okay,
so not even John Wicks bumped up against these people once.
Like I would rather have them take some other thing
from the John Wick world and flesh that out, but
they make a completely new, no pun intended entity for
her to go up against. I will say, if you
just like the John Wicks series, for just I want
great action stuff and just to see gun fu. You
want to see big explosions, you want to see and armors.
She's not bad in it. She's just like I said,
just I feel like she's a very charismatic woman and
they take that from her, where John Keanu Reeves has
a different type of charisma. You don't take it from him.
But she's still good. She does like the fight scenes
well she you know, not bad acting or anything. There's
lots of connections to the world. Same thing. If you
like a lot of you know, lore or a a
lot of Easter eggs or cameos, you get a bunch
of that in this film, from characters they've shown you in
marketing and characters you haven't seen in marketing, so it
feels very connected at least that way. So yeah, it's
it's a thing of like would I want more? I'm
like an and a sure I had a good enough time.
But at the same time, if you said, hey, traps,
so you can never watch this movie ever again, I
wouldn't be like sad about it, you know, and detail
asks would you say it's mid? I would say, like
above mid because mid to me feels like that that
sounds like a disservice because some of the action set
pieces in here are really good. But as me and
Taylor talking about even then, this movie is two hours
and six minutes. There's a couple of scenes, but there's
one in particular that I don't want to spoil. I
think it's in the little marketing, but in case it's not.
That just talking went on forever and it fell to
the point where it say, it started really cool, but
it's going on for so long it didn't work. And
I wonder if they looked at like the stair scene,
remember with Keanu Reason and John Wound chapt four. I
don't know why I had to say killen Reas, but
John chapter four, when he fights these guys in the stairs,
he gets all the way, top gets knocked down, he
does it over again. I think with that was just
a better pacing and there's just something but like, oh
my god. And they they do something similar to me
in the third act where it's like all the stakes
keep you havving risen, but just felt long and it
felt like I'm kind of over, like the surprise factor's gone,
where the stairs had something different. So yeah, like I'd said,
i'd say above mid better and worse than john Wick
Chapter three or bare Belm. That's tough. I'm gonna say
the same. If yeah, for Taylor it's worse, I'm gonna
say about the same. I am kinda funny enough. I
did what Taylor did. I watched four. I do think
I'm actually gonna go back and watch them all because
I'm like in a john Wick mood now and everything,
so I need to watch two and three again. But
I remember not being the biggest fan of three, so
I don't have I've only seen it once as well.
I would just say same, which a lot of people
are like Taylor, they've loved three, But I think I
had a lot of like world building stuff that just
it got a bit more cheesy where I think four
has cheesy elements, but it was built a lot better,
like just kind of bas so yeah, like I said,
but if you want action stuff like absolutely, you're like,
I don't care about the world building. I don't care
to beout character art, which sounds bad, but like some
people don't write if they just like, hey, I like
seeing the big action set pieces, you won't be disappointed here.
You got a lot of that here. So Tayo, would
you recommend this to people? I would like.
Speaker 3: If you uh for me personally? Am I gonna rewatch this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: If I've made a john Wick mood, I'm gonna watch
john Wick. Would I recommend this to other people? I
feel like I would just to at least watch it
just so you can kind of see other stuff going
on in this universe.
Speaker 2: I think that's important.
Speaker 3: But and again and at Armis, I would definitely advocate
for her too, because it's just great in the movie.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm.
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mister Field, where do you want to start with the Ballerina?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the pacing of it.
Speaker 3: I feel like this movie had some issues with that.
I feel like, Okay, from the start, we get a
very interesting and engaging intro, and I thought, okay, this
just it's weird because when you're dealing with John Wick,
you're dealing with a franchise that's just been focused on
John Wick himself and other characters in Mob Boss's Clans, whatever.
But you don't get to see really like the world.
And I feel like, okay, we get to see like
inside a police station. These cops are useless, like all
these things that you're just.
Speaker 2: Taken to it into account.
Speaker 3: But from that point in time, we get a feels
like twenty minutes of her as a kid in this
intro introduction, and then we skip ahead twelve or fifteen
years later something like that, and then we get another
time jump of two months all these things just I
don't feel like they necessarily. I feel like the only
thing that really really fit was the first scene. I
feel like they could have skipped ahead. We didn't need
to see her first mission. They could have skipped ahead
to where she's just doing the training because they started
bringing things in that didn't matter. Her friend that just vanished, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, she didn't have what it takes.
Speaker 3: And then use you said a certain maybe maybe maybe
not family member whatever. It's like all these different things
that are brought in and they're loose ends, and I
guess their point is to serve as a development for her,
but she's not growing from this, Like when she sees
her sister, nothing's changing from that. She just has a
moment save your breath, she dies and that's it, like okay,
then we carry forth. So I feel like the pacing
of things and then trying to add a little bit
more backstory and depth to her with these scenes doesn't
really work. And again I attribute that to the writing
because she's trying her best. An Armis is really trying
her best with these moments, but you can only do
so much. That writing isn't there, uh, and the scenes
aren't setting you up for success. It's it's gonna it's
gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree some that. I was gonna say, like,
I don't do you feel John Wick has much of
a arc in the whole series. I think he has
a little bit.
Speaker 3: For John Wick, I'd say, it's really just but you're
there just for the revenge and just the yeh, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Don't need anything.
Speaker 3: The number one has like the most well yeah, the
most story to his world building. But Number one is
him just Okay, this is a story. His wife died,
gave him a dog, and I'm gonna go get revenge
and kill this guy because he killed my dog and
stole my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think four is a little bit about
that because that's about like death and life and if
you want to get out of the game and stuff,
because he's trying to get out of there, right. So yeah, no,
like they throw a lot at you, because that's why
I feel like, to my comparison, I feel they're almost
trying to do a whole John Wick chapter four as
far as we learn a lot about the character just
so you can we can get to these bigger set pieces.
But yeah, like I think the opening scene is uh fine.
You know, it sets up her motivations. It's tough because
again the whole you know, wife passed away from cancer,
leaves a doll. That dog gets killed. You can't do
that hook again, you can't make it a cat. And
not that that's anything bad. Like Okay, she sees her
dad executed in front of her, Well, I guess no,
he gets shawn, he die. He still dies in front
of her. You know, it's a slower death.
Speaker 3: He gets sick, goodbye at least, you know, like he's
a trained killer. But it really bothered me how he's
going down the hallway shining his flashlight off on his
fucking gun and then he gets hit.
Speaker 2: They know where he is and they shoot him.
Speaker 1: He might have been concussed, you know, some ctesick and
he couldn't remember his training. But uh yeah, So for me,
I it was a weird situation when they had the
scene where she's in the police station and yeah, they
get this order. Yeah her dad was killed by this group.
We'll talk about later. She's there holding this ballerina thing.
You got lots of lower as far as about the
mother and sister, which again will come back to h
I found it odd, like I get they tried to
make it, like I guess it's almost like the Batman
thing right where Winston walks up right and this is
like one of our first first things we get. He
finds in the police station and they had this whole
conversation about like, oh, you know my dad, you know,
he put himself in danger because he didn't want me
to have the same life as him, and they kind
of have some back and forth, and when he's like,
I want you to meet somebody, it's like, what a
move to be like this little girl who's like, yeah,
my dad sacrificed himself because he didn't want me to
be a killer. And Winston's first idea is like, you
know what, I'm gonna introduce you to a bunch of
killers and that'll be that'll happen for you, which because
even then later on Eve says like, well I chose,
It's like it's like yeah he did, but like because
someone kind of pushed you that direction, like what happened,
You've just got like adopted by someone, maybe you would
go for revenge. I don't know. That's just a little nitpick.
Nothing really gets the film and get it so at
the ballerina stuff, and then you get some time jumps
and I was hold down for that. I liked the
training of it. I like the mini you know games
they were doing is not games. I guess that sounds
a little too small for what they're doing. But they're
working on protection of people, so they're going through different
rooms if here pomp through corners and roofs, which makes
sense because it's like, think about that top down shot
we get of John Wickan chapter four. It feels like that,
but you're seeing, like the behind the scenes version, you're
seeing her wrestle guys and they do like, okay, fight
like a girl, which that's something I don't mind. I
just felt like they didn't do that enough in the
overall movie, because the point is she's kind of doing
some wrestling or judle with a guy and he's a
bigger guy, taller muscle, and she just can't overpower him.
And then her trainer says like, well, use what you have,
don't just try to match what he has, and she
gets the whole speech and says like, fight like a girl,
so she guys be a bit more quicker. Of course,
it means like she kicks them in the nuts and
then when the match is over, she kicks in the
nuts again, very uncalled for, but like I was kind
of hoping for more of that. And other than like
a lot of like head scissors with her legs, I
didn't feel like it was like, oh, she has a
one other thing. I guess she loves using grenades, which
I thought that was a fun gimmick. But yeah, other
than that, it didn't feel like I was watching a
very different fighter than John Wick, which again I get
it because they do come from the same type of area.
But when they had that whole speech about like, oh,
fight like a girl, I thought, Okay, you're gonna see
her do a couple more things. I even like the
trainers like cheat take a cheap shot, Like it's like,
oh yeah, that's good, Like you should. It's life or death.
It doesn't matter if you're cheating. There again, that guy
was knocked out, she didn't kick him in the nuts. Again,
his the guy she's sparring with. But I think for me,
what the issue was that, So I think there it
was all working well. I think you brought a great
point with the friend. That was a weird subplot that
like either.
Speaker 2: Don't put it, Oh, Ricky down.
Speaker 1: It's empty, We're good. Just get the last drop there
in case, either don't put that in the movie or
dive more deep in it, because yeah, she has a
bedmate right beside her that. I like the montage as well,
for her spitting on her feet and they're just bleeding
everything like that, right, I think the montage I really
have no notes. I think it was all good. But
she has this friend I can't remember her name. But
the thing is she's just good at the dancing. I
guess like that that's literally what it is, like, she's
just really they say like, oh, you're the best ballerina here,
but not in the sense that they want. And I
don't know what they were trying to do. Maybe they're
trying to show that the ballerina group wasn't as bad
because one day, on a day Armist goes to bed
and the person beside her it's all packed up, the
sheets are gone, So I thought maybe they were trying
in anyway they might have killed her, So I'm not
sure if that's what the ending was for, because they
show on armous watching her dance, so maybe they're trying
to show like, oh they you know they didn't actually
go through with it, but yeah, it was and then
it was just dropped. That character was gone, never mentioned
again till the very end, and it was a weird
subplot there. But then for me it's like, okay, you jump,
which I don't know if the ages match up, but
you have the girl they jumped twelve years later. And
then she goes on her first mission, which we can
probably cycle back to in a second, which I like
the shots. I thought we were gonna get your guy there,
the the guy you liked doing the accent for Scott
Atkins when they went to the club really well, because
the thing is, we just watched four. The music sounds similar,
and in that club everyone's dancing a lot while there's
killing and stuff going on, and they never react to it, right,
So I thought that was gonna be another East egg
that we were gonna see in for a moment. We
didn't get that. But anyways, we go on this first
mission and it's like a bit more messy, right, it's
her first time. Whenever she gets the job done, saves
this target, and then we cut to her in a bathroom.
She's in like a chonk literally little black suit they
pay around this bathroom broken. It's like the Mission Impossible
fallout fight, Like she just did that right, It's a
mess in there. And then they showed two months later,
and for me it was jarring because I thought they
were getting her to a much powerful level. Then I
felt like, twelve months ago she was still good, but
still is like learning and struggling with some things. But
then two months later she is like tippy top, even
though you kind of felt that she wasn't tippy top.
So how'd you feel about the montage and how do
you feel about the time frame of her training and whatnot?
Speaker 2: I mean the timeframe of her training.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was it was exponential, like because
you say, yeah, she took she does.
Speaker 2: She does.
Speaker 3: She takes out a whole town, and she takes.
Speaker 2: Out like a lot, a lot, a lot of people.
Speaker 3: But I I feel like she gets They emphasize a
lot more time with her facing and squaring off against
like one person in some fight scenes like that in
the ice club and the one the threat to assessment.
Speaker 2: I guess that threat guy.
Speaker 3: He shows up, He's got like three of his goons,
and it takes her a while to take out the
goons and then she like fights the one guy and
he is like crazy, He's Scott Adkins level here right
now with this fighting style. So that's all fine and dandy,
But I just when she wins and based on her training,
like she's two months out in the field, I don't
feel like she's got what it takes like to hold off.
I feel like, Okay, well she's gonna get she's gonna
get killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean she doesn't she makes it up.
Speaker 3: She makes it up, she makes it out, and I
feel like, Okay, it's just she's extremely lucky. She because
there's so many situations where she's scaling on the roof
when she's trying to sneak into her target's room, her bedroom,
the bedroom of the hotel, and there's snipers pointed at
her and all that other things too, Like she's so
lucky that when she threw that box of grenades down
the stairs at the Ammo store, that she didn't you know,
she almost blew herself up and killed herself. So I
feel like there's a big luck factor in here.
Speaker 1: There is one that one part of the grenade fight
I didn't like is when she had that grenade on
the guy's head, and she wrapped a towel from around
him and she like head locked him and then it exploded.
But they made it the sense that because she had
locked him in between a table and the guy, that
she was safe. I don't think that's how.
Speaker 3: There was a steel table, right, or was iron or
whatever it was metal, which there's like it would brace.
Speaker 1: It would brace, but she nothing really happened. It didn't
even move. It's just like the body exploded. But that
that's where being tear different on the luck factor, because
I'm in the same way that I think John Wick
gets beat up a lot, he has a lot of luck,
per se. I just thought about you, John Wick fod
that at one point he's dead to rights and the
Japanese cane down daughter saves him, and I like that.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that a guy
that's doing all these crazy things should always just win,
because it gets a little unbelievable in the world that's
already unbelievable times. So I was fine with the luck factor,
especially because like the snapper, like you mentioned, like, yeah,
I guess, I guess she was dead to rights, But
anybody would have been dead to rights, right, they were
just they were letting the person get in there. They
wanted them to speak to Norman Retis, But you're right,
And that's where for me it's like, I still that's
signing john Wick. For me, it was more her taking
out like twenty five people, fifty people when they showed
that first scene of the two month later jump and
she was in the suit and she went down like
three or four floors and there's just like not dozens
in the each room, but I'd say all together, multiple
dozens of just dead bye, dead boye. There's like a
car flipped over. It just felt too big and two
grandiose for a character. Where john Wick even then when
he's doing that, this is at the end of his run,
right like after in john Wick one, he's been retired.
So to me, it's like I can believe this because
he has been doing this for multiple decades, right where
even though she's been training at this point, she's only
been doing this for two months, like out on the
field doing this work. So that's the thing for me
where it's just like with john Wick, you could get
away with in the first movie instantly because you're like, oh, well,
he's retired and he was the Baba Yaga, like he
was the very best. Now i'll say this now because
I don't want to forget. I don't think I will,
but just in case, I'll spit out now. They do
later on in the movie have two instances where we
didn't talk about this in the prequel sense. They have
she meets John Wick. It's tied in with John Wick
three when he gets like the tattoo like burned off
his back or whatever, like he's kind of excommunicated from
the Ballerina family for you know, his tickets going or whatever,
and very like video game cut scene of just like
John Wick's going through it. I feel like in John
Wick chapter three, this has happened. She's like, hey, can
I ask you a question? Like it felt very like
all right, I get it on an Ormous is the
main character. But don't be wrong. I like that conversation
of you know, I want to get to where you're going,
and you know, John Wiskins, well you don't really have to,
And she's like, how'd you know? And he's like, well,
like I didn't. I can't remember. I'm paraphrase because I
just saw this movie. But like I didn't know this
is what I want, but just the route I found myself.
And then he talks about like the doors open, and
she says something else and he was like the door
is still like just kind of insinuate, like you can
still leave this life before you get started, and I did.
Like when she goes, oh, well, why didn't you leave,
and he's like, I'm asking. I'm still trying to figure
that out. It's like good, like we didn't need uh
it ties in what happened with the other Joon Wick movies,
and we didn't need John Wick to have this big
moment and seen there, but that felt true the character
of you know, he's given this information or this advice,
but he didn't follow it. He made these same mistakes
but later on like well, we'll come back to the
cannon part of it. But he sent to kill her
and they had this fight. What I did really appreciate
is she never won any instance, and three times he
had her dead to rite. There's one time when they
started to fight and then she's hiving me behind a
wall and he popped up with the gun and then
he stopped. And there's another time they started to tussle.
He gets her down to the ground. He has a knife
against her throat to slid it and he's stop. And
then another time where she goes to head Sissorum, looks
like she has the upper hand, then boom, he pulls
out a gun. She'd be dead. So I did like
that where because sometimes movies and shows will do that
where they go well with this new character. The only
way to make them seem important is what if they
beat like the hero we know in love And I
didn't want them to kind of like job about John Wick.
Just be like, you know, Balerna, she's really badass, but no,
John Wick. It's still showed that she was. He was
a level above her. But yeah, what were your thoughts
of the use of mister Wick in this movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, again, he was used just to help further
along her development and get some extra tickets sales and
get some extra tickets.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's John Wick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was definitely a little bit of
humor involved with him coming back. And I love that
scene when the train pulls into town and just the
smoke and everything and he steps out and the chancellor
and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh the bubba, yeah, go when he got
the training, he looked scary. That's what I love that.
I love when we get to see john Wick come
from other people's saying. It's not our perspective of os.
John wickt's other people when he got that train and
it was just like he was almost like a shadow.
It's like, yeah, he looks he looks scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But other than that, I think it was
it was decent enough. We only had the two scenes
where there was the start worrier.
Speaker 2: She's just like, how do I be like you?
Speaker 3: And at the end when he's got to make a
convince her and make a decision if he's going to
execute her or save her, and he's just a softie,
you know. He again, like you highlighted, there's some there's
some similarities between their stories and obviously he's just he's
seeing what she's doing and reciprocating it and running with it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was bully send to go there. And
then he's like, well, i'll give you half an hour
and it's just like, I don't know if you got
to explain the whole situation. But literally from the ballerina's side,
they're they're saying, hey, we knew this girl killed because
if it doesn't stop, a whole war is gonna ensure.
And John Wick's like, well, let's give it thirty minutes
to find out, and like you would assume we've been
told this. He grew up with a lot of those people, right,
so he's just like actively putting these people's lives at risk.
You know. I did like the consequences lying when it's like, yeah,
if it's at twelve, consequences, so that was good. He
pops up a couple times on the snipers, that was
all fine. I still don't know, and this movie didn't
answer why he's there, because in my opinion, in three
to four that's so yeah. Remember that's when like Winston
shoots him on the roof and he's like excommunicato, right,
like john Wick like if you see me, he's supposed
to be killed. So it felt weird to have John
Wick in this movie in this scene as like a
contract because what happens is the I can't remember what
they called the town. We'll get to the villains here
in a second, but the films have a literal old
town of like a small city almost. They are like
another type of They kept calling them a tribe, which
I didn't like. I didn't like I didn't like calling
them a tribe because I feel like other john Wick
things are not called the tribe. But they have the
understanding with the ballerinas that they break all the rules
and stuff, but they still under staying like, hey, we
won't mess with you, you won't mess with us. So
he calls the leader and is like, hey, this girl,
you know, ballerina Eves, causes a lot of trouble. I
you're taken care of. If they go hey, we didn't say,
just that she's not with us, and he goes, doesn't matter.
If she continues, is gonna be war. So I just
don't know why john Wick helped, because I feel like
he has a lot of other things going on in
his life, so just to take this random trip to
go help. And what I thought they were gonna do
is I thought because they showed the moment where he
was brand and they took me pulled this ticket, I
thought they're gonna say, hey, but if you do this,
we'll let you back in. And then when he said no,
I'm not gonna kill Eve, then it's like, hey, you're
not really backing until the fourth right, because the fourth
when he has to go like, you know, kill Scott
Adkins and do all the stuff, I get his teeth.
I thought they were gonna give us some reason. They
really didn't like. I don't know, maybe he's just out
of respect. But the same time, it felt like they
had a poor relationship in three when like I said,
she brand him. I don't know. I do have to
watch those movies again. But this movie didn't explain to
me why John Wick who to my knowledge, between three
to four and I just watched four, he pretty much
on the run. Lots of people are after him. Why
he would come over here, I don't know. I digress. So,
but yeah, Keanu was no notes for Keana was exactly
when he was on screen. That's what made me go, okay,
I do want to rewatch the in chire John Wicks
series because it is it's that aura of him playing
a badass and just seeing Keanu do some gung fu
and just say consequences, yeah, gun, like that's what you're
looking for, right, And all those scenes are good. There
is a great moment where we'll get to later, but
he's sniper someone and then he has to work his
way down like a I don't know, like a clock tower,
per se, and maybe it's like six to seven guys
or something. But they have this moment where at the
bottom of the stairs there's two like NPC characters or whatnot,
and they're starting to rush the stairs and one of
them goes like, you know, we can't, like this is sudding,
we can't do it, or we shouldn't go up as
Sean Wick. And then the other person goes like, it's
only one man. And the second thing that she says
it's only one man, he pops like corner boom boom,
just takes them right out. So and then I think
the move for the most had some like relatively similar
humorous John we was in Hit for the most part,
only there's bad jokes. I don't think it was funny
as some other stuff. And again some of the stuff
is Keanu's delivery as well is really good. But yeah,
so I think he was used the canon stuff. Don't
really know what's going on. Don't know why he would
go on this adventure. Maybe I'm missing something that doesn't
really take down my score completely, but it just is
like a an odd thing. It definitely feels like okay,
we've got to get john Wick in here to sell
some stuff. But he's great. It's great seeing john Wick.
I will happily watch john Wick one to four. I
do not need john Wick in chapter five. I know
that's what they're doing, but I don't need that, or
I'll take a prequel, happy with the story. But anything more.
I just talked about that scene with the two guys
and they or they get out the bottom of it's
just one guy. Oh but it's john Wick and the
boom boom Oh.
Speaker 2: That scene cracked me up.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I love the I love the mythos
that's surrounding john Wick.
Speaker 2: When yes, yeah, they're like, oh my god, it's fucking
john Wick. Are we doing this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: One guy, and.
Speaker 3: Like all that stuff, Like every time they say the
bubba yeah guy, I just get giggles.
Speaker 2: I just love it so much.
Speaker 1: Anything else on john.
Speaker 3: Wick in particular, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then after well, I guess we can go
back to Uh there's something I want to go back to.
But I guess we can we a tuple of these
villains because maybe all think about this, Taylor, what did
you feel? As far as so they reveal Okay, they
want to kill you know, they want to kill Eve's dad,
can nap her. In the first scene, they kill the
dad but don't get her. She escapes, becomes valery. You know,
we talked about all that. And then as it slowly revealed, like, okay,
it's a very bad tribe. It's a lot of bad people.
They have these ex'es like branded on their wrist. Then
it's revealed that they're not really like a criminal organization.
They are a cult. They operate, of course, outside the Table,
but Winston says, we'd rather have them pissing outside the
tenth and inside the tent. But they're pretty much this
just elusive thing that can do whatever they want. And
all the other places the Table not aren't going to
interfere because they're too powerful. And then they go as
far to reveal that they literally own like an entire town.
There is dozens and dozens of buildings and houses. A
small town still but still a town. Nonetheless, how did
you feel about our antagonists here for this one?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it comes full circle when you see, okay,
they're responsible for her dad, and again it's where she
was born, where she grew up, and everything like that
it was in the town.
Speaker 2: The town was hidden.
Speaker 3: I guess this kind of just back with john Wick,
but it kind of racks me up when they're like,
unknown location, but we're going to give give the location
to you. At the head mother of the Russian yeah
ballerinas and she gets two people know, fucked fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I like the idea of the town and
everyone is basically a trained killer, and I thought that
was a lot of fun because, as you know, the
guy walks in there, and the guy ends up shooting
up the restaurant and trying to kill anondamus, and then
it's like, okay, well, this guy obviously looks suspicious, looks
like a soldier. And then all of a sudden, okay, no,
the cook, the counter lady is also in on it,
and then all of a sudden, the mom and that
little girl is in on it.
Speaker 2: You're like, what the fuck, and it's just going, going, going.
Speaker 3: Everyone is in on it, and it's crazy, And I
thought that was actually.
Speaker 2: A lot of fun.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, it was just it did
feel like we were spending a lot of time there
and I don't know how the main villain he didn't
really do anything super crazy for me, just a lot
of like, oh, i've we've been here for a thousand years,
like now the leader retreated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for very long time.
Speaker 3: It is the beginning of man, they've they've been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the cavemen and whatever these fucking people
were called. I forgot what their name was. I should
have looked it up. But yeah, I'm on the other side.
I think obviously the action is still good there. They
provide set pieces. Again, this for me was just too
big of and N three and two did this where
they'd introduce some things to Laura, right, I just go, ah,
I don't enjoy this or there, this doesn't work per se.
And this is one of these things too, Like I
don't enjoy that. There's like a every time that it's like,
oh it's try to call. It's more like a cult,
like they really want to hit you over the head,
like it's a big time call. But I felt like
other than okay, the entire towns are fighters. We didn't
see enough of this town for it to feel culty.
It just found like a big military occupied place, you know,
Like it didn't feel like they like we didn't get
to see the religions, but didn'tet see this other than
just I guess their feeling is you're not trained to
be a killer, you're born to be a killer. And
if they feel you're a killer, you're gonna live in
this city, I guess. And Eve's dad want to leave
a Norman Ritus who's in this moon for a couple
of coffee, want to leave with his daughter. But I
just feel like, why would you have a kid there?
I feel like you would know, like do you see
all these other kids run around being trained to be killers? Like?
Need more story with that? So yeah, this was one
for me that was too big. I wish it was
just criminal organization that is in a town but doesn't
own a town, and she's just trying to kill her
dad's killer. I didn't need the whole all the that's
a tough thing with John had done so much and
they probably felt, oh, just a revenge tale is too little.
But to me, if you write an interesting character, which
I don't think they really do with Eve, and you
got the good action, which I think they have, uh
so one for two at least, I think people will
still enjoy it. So I did not. It's not entity
levels where I hate the entity. This was just like
as the idea came up, and then as more and
more was revealed, I just checked in and out, like
more and more out again, kind of like what we
talked about the friend. I felt like they just didn't
give me enough to really care about this town. And
you know, then I get this good laugh where I
get what they're doing. They're doing the John Wick thing
right where you know, fucking get the dad killer. I
can't remember what was the villain's name, do you remember?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: No, oh man, he's in the original Little Woman. He's
in tons of he's the dad and hereditary like he's
in tons of stuff the sky. I'll find out here
in a second.
Speaker 3: There was a scene when she was fighting too, like
they were just picking up the place, trying to find
the gun underneath, and there's taking turns like smack kind
of gun or the place.
Speaker 1: You didn't like that, No, it's.
Speaker 2: Too comedic, too comedic.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. Again, I think he went on
for too long. I think it was the joke was
gonna hit the nail of the head. Let's see if
I can find it. He'd played Oh right, he was
just the Chancellor Gabriel Byrne. Yeah, but the Chancellor, right,
they never said his name. He was in it multiple times.
But I get what they're doing. They're sending up Ballerina
two where you have Now the ballerina is setting a
bounty on her. But then he also the Chancellor being like,
you know, st get in here. They're gonna come for you.
But it's just like one. You're the Chancellor, so I
feel like killing you. I guess there's always another. But
the problem is he's doing this big speech, right, so
he has Norman ritas is in this movie. That is,
he is staying at one of the continentals. That's how
Winston gets back in. Winston knew Eve as a kid.
She's going from information because the ballerina won't say anything
about the Chancellor's people, the cult, so he goes, Okay,
there's a guy that's part of the cult. We don't
mess with them, but we do track them because they're dangerous.
He's in Prague. She goes to Prague, gets information. He
has a little daughter, so it kind of mirrors what
she went through. Right, He's trying to escape his little daughter.
That's what happened to her? I liked that. That was fine.
He gets killed quotations, but then he's back later normal Redas,
but he gets sewan. He's I guess saved for the sequel.
But all this happens, and so she gets to this town,
finds the Chancellor, et cetera. Right, and at the end
they've kidnapped Norman Redas's daughter and she's now trying to
save this daughter. So she didn't have a same life
that she did. And john Wick and Eve have torn
through the whole town, like when they have this face off,
because she shoots out the tires of the Chancellor's truck.
He gets out of the truck. The town is barren.
There's not like a single so it's like they've murdered everybody.
But he's like, they're all gonna come for you if
you do this. They're not ever gonna stop. And it's like,
who like this town? I guess so, but it's like
either they're dead or they're all sleeping, which doesn't make
sense because they're like get out there and kill the Ballerinie,
like kill the Babba Yaga, like all this stuff. Like
it felt very funny when they had killed everybody, and
he's like, do you does do you want to come
to this? If you do this, you know I'll like
He's just pretty much like, I'll fuck you up. Don't
like he's just it felt like a threat of villain
would make in the middle of the movie or when
she was tied to the chair, but to make it
when there's literally like buildings blown out, their stead bodies everywhere.
It looks like no one on his team is left.
He's like, I don't know if I would do the size.
He's like, what do you have to lose? And I
did I enjoy movies when she did shoot him, like
mid conversation, because I just feel like, am I for
me if I was one of these people? That's why
I wed doing I don't need the whole spiel. So
I did like that she saves the girl, but.
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't see what happened to the telescope man
who was looking at the whole town with telescopes.
Speaker 1: He's still the guy. He's the guy that's sent all them. Uh.
But yeah, So didn't really like any of this, and
that sucks that they do a number two. I imagine
this would be picked up upon because with those words,
like Dayr said, I guess there's other towns or maybe
people are fucking hiding in the pipes or hiding in
the sewers. I don't know. But another thing we got
fed was at the beginning of the flashback or when
the movie started, Eave's dance with her dad and so
he grew up so fast something some and he talks
about her sister and they kind of insinuate the sister's
gone or dead. There's this like, of course the right
hand woman for the chance. It's very Star Wars, like
very small universe. Like the one other female character in
this movie that we know that's new is of course
that's Eve's sister who's not dead. And it's crazy because,
like when she let her live at one point in
a fight, I knew that was her sister. She didn't
even know at that point, but I just knew. And
then later on, so they do this moment where okay,
she gets there and Gabriel gives her the whole speech
when she tide a chair like your dad was here,
he left with you, your sister, and then he goes
to his right hand woman. He's like, oh, you know, Fate,
it's a funny thing I got, you know, your sister
in the other room, and the sister actions is like what.
And then after that Eve gets out, the sister chases
her into like a higher tower building whatnot. They have
a mini conversation which they don't even get on the
same page about, because the sister's still like, well, at
least in this town, you know, we're killers, and we
don't judge each other for it. And then a grenade
goes off. I thought, okay, and even though I actually
did not like this character as a sister, don't know
what was writing or the actors thought, I gave no
fucks about them. The grenade goes off and they're trying
to make a big moment where the cancler says, I
kill them both, and when the guards's like, sir, are
you sure they got to kill them both to signify, Oh,
this person's been his right hand woman the whole movie.
He'll just dispatch of her easily. So I thought, oh, classic,
team up. They're gonna throw the grenade. She's gonna see
the light because at this point she's still fully on
the chance. The sister's fully with the chancellor of like no,
like this is the life like you should join us again,
like you're meant to be here, You're meant to be
a killer. Grenade goes off. I'm like, oh, she's gonna
have the moment. Then look, the Chancellor tried to kill you.
He doesn't care about you. Nah, she just dies. She
just fucking ties in a very anti climactic scene. To me, literally,
if you just take out that sister storyline, it changes
literally nothing about the movie. Yeah, like Anota Armas says, no,
like even tho. They faced off a couple of times
in this movie, but not in like a big dialogue
way even Kno. Yeah, but then they didn't even have
like a big action set piece right, Like they didn't
have like a five minute like Monoy model fight. It
just felt like a guard who like, oh, by the way,
this guard, Yeah, that's your sister, and it's like, okay,
here comes to velment. Oh no, we killed her. It
that actively took points down for me because it was
not needed when we talked about things. You could edit out.
You could just take out that whole storyline, just say yeah,
the sister died when she was young, and that's it.
But what did you think about this reveal of you
know Eve was tied to the counselor city, you know,
the cult she was you know. The dad ran away
and then the sister stayed there because she had already
killed someone. So the dad apparently thought it was too
late to bring along she was already twisted, which I
think is terrible logic, you know, bring both your kids.
But I digress. What do you think about some of
this cult lower and the sister reveal and all that.
Speaker 2: I like the cult lore. I think it's I think
it's fine. I thought it was. It was interesting too.
Speaker 3: They just they're raising their kids there and they're training.
Speaker 2: Them to be assassins of this cult and all that
kind of ess. I thought it worked. I really did.
Speaker 3: The the stuff with the sister, I totally agree, though
it could have been completely removed from the story.
Speaker 2: It just you.
Speaker 3: Get not even a three minute scene of them talking
to each other and engaging, and then yeah, to be fair,
when she then they announced that that was the sister.
I completely fell for it because I had totally forgotten
about the brief moment at the very start when the
dad is like spinning around Anadarmus' is like young version. Yeah,
that's the only thing that they said in regards to it,
and so it completely went over my head.
Speaker 2: But they did it a few times with.
Speaker 3: These story introductions where like even when it's like, oh,
you have to your final test you have to take
and they sit this other former ballerina down in the
ballerina is like I'm you in ten years, and it's like, huh,
And I guess that's like a foreshadow of her being
caught and having the bounty on her head or something
like that. I guess, But even then, it would have
been cool to have a little bit more depth to
that time because it just felt like it's gonna come
full circle. But it felt like it was a It
didn't put it in the right moment, you know, when
there's a little bit of a foreshadow that's gonna segue
into something that's gonna go full circle at the end
of the movie, Like you can do it with a
little bit more finesse.
Speaker 2: This didn't have finesse.
Speaker 3: It was just this woman like angry and then she
had the gun and anadarmis didn't shoot her right away
and then shot her after like it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is it's like a theme they go on
a little bit, but not too much because they do
that right where ok, it's a former ballerina, she's a
test and it's like who can put their gun together
quicker and shoot the other one. It was interesting because
when the timer went off, the person that dies starts
to build their gun right away, and on Ato Armis
is just sitting there for like ten seconds thinking about it,
but she still beats the other girl. It was very
I was very confused about what was going on, but
so they did that. They did the thing where Eves. Now,
they didn't tell her about her like the killers there,
but the same point, like I get it. I do understand,
like that's parsecular, your father you want to know. But
they had a pretty good point of like, hey, these
people are fucking It wasn't just like we want to
keep you here. Reason it was these people are fucking,
you know, lunatics. We don't want to go to war
with them. Like the reason they told them was not
to like mess with Eve. It was just hey, we
don't we can't afford the bloodshed here. And then what
happens later on is Eve goes against her orders. And
even though it's like a shitty thing, I still get
why she would call John Wick because hey, this guy
just said if she's not dead by midnight, he's gonna come,
you know, and fuck like he's gonna kill us all
like we're at war with this cult if we don't
stop her now. So it's like, again I can see
the motivations of why the Ballerinas be like, maybe we
gotta kill Eve. But that set, like you said, with
the set up there at the beginning, it makes it
feels like the Ballerinas are gonna be like the villains
of the movie, right, Like that's gonna be the reveal
that slowly but surely, which maybe could have worked better.
It's revealed that oh no, the ballerina has killed Eve's dad.
Everything she knew about them is wrong, and that person
that she killed in her test, that that person was right.
She she should have read into that earlier. But they
do some you know things again our main character. But
I would not call the Ballerins the bad guys of
this movie. Maybe the next movie. But even then, like
I said to you, like, why did they even put
the hit on her anymore? Like I guess it's just
because again the counselors is like, there's many of us.
So I guess they're just worried that the cult's still
gonna come up to the ballerina, so they got a
kill her. But it just kind of felt like the
Eve had won, but they're like, eh, just still put
a hit on her, like it would just be better just
like leave her alone. Almost Like I just it felt
very that felt very much like we got a set
for a sequel here. It's it didn't it didn't work
for me, the bounty at the end.
Speaker 2: You know, no, it didn't didn't for me either.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like we we needed it. You could
have just had it very open ended, with her just
being in the theater watching the ballerinas, and uh yeah,
I don't know, it just it felt It's one of
those scenes that just felt long and it didn't have
to be. But I always do appreciate a scene when
a bounty rolls in and then you just you're looking
and you're seeing the crowd, people check on their phones.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. There's like multiple guys there. It's like,
I guess because the Ballerina show maybe, but it's just
like they don't even send you a picture of ev either,
you know. It's just like text. It's like she's like, really,
word she gets at of it. It doesn't matter. They
don't know what you look like. But yeah, so I
imagine if we get it to that, i'llbeit where the
two factions are hunting her down. I would like if
we get a sequel for it to be after john
Wick four because even in this, like she went to
the Continental and it was still up and running. It's
good to see Lance Henderson again because obviously he passed away,
so it's great to see him again. He's a fun
little character. But I'd like to kind of see that
progressed there. But yeah, I'm trying to think of some
big action pieces to set out again. It's gonna sound
like a negative so I hate to say it, but
they I think it's inside of the marketing. They have
this great set piece with a flamethrower. The problem is
it just goes on a bit too long. It starts like, oh,
this is really cool, but you see on armists like
jump through multiple walls. I think you just gotta cut
some of them and then got to like the fire
hose versus the fire extinguisher, and even they do like
stuff like the guy she has a fight like they
She has a flamethrower, another guy's a flamethrower. At one
point he gets his foot on fire and I get
it the tray to make them badass, but he's fully
just fighting Eve while his foot's on fire, and it's like,
I get at the same time, like you'd still been
a lot of pain. It doesn't matter if you're a
ballerina or John Wick, like you still want to put
that fire out. But he's just like like Aura, framing
and fighting and it's like, okay, so again I agree
with you. Like the I didn't like the whole city
fight because that was just more of like, oh, this
is a whole town taking over. I didn't enjoy that.
I liked the club stuff that for a first mission.
I liked the setting, the score, and I liked that
it was a little dirtier because it was her first
time whatever one. And I like the actual John Wick fight.
That was good. I'm trying to think what else am
I gon say? I feel like I gotta be missing
something in the middle there too of another fight scene
when we introduced her, not much because they're all dead already,
is it not one?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I guess I heard normories at the hotel, which I
thought that was fine. I didn't know there was anything.
I guess there's more like some gross up moments where
like a glass wall gets broken, there's like some shards
pointing out. She goes like, there's like a scene where
her and the other girl trying to put their faces
in it. But then there was a weird scene where
they're fighting and she just like speared her through a table,
and I felt like this didn't feel like how she's
been fighting the rest of the movie. I would have
been fine if the whole movie she was very scrappy,
but many times she's like very finesse. But I'd say
the best scenes was probably the last one, even though
it went too long. I like the John Wick one,
and then I think those are the two highlights from
me and overr the opening club ones. I'd say those
were my top three. But would you feel like the
action any action scenes you want to shout out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean you mentioned that the fire hose
and the flame dower that was pretty cool, and so
the flamethrower stopped with Anna Dharamas was pretty awesome. But
uh hmmm, gosh, to think though about like some of
the other actions that they had, And here we didn't
get to see her going into that penthouse at the
beginning of her twelve year jump, but that would have
been kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I guess the two.
Speaker 3: Months two wants jump, but that would have been neat
to see how she took out that the whole like
pentheses above the party kind of crowd. But yeah, just
the fight scenes like they don't feel like, well, that's
about it. The fight scenes don't necessarily feel how that
same level as what john Wick does. And after seeing
a john Wick four that like dragon casing, fletch it
shotgun scene like top down, like how do you top
something like that? You just throw in some flamethrowers of
people doing barrels around the fire and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I said, I thought the action was
I can't say I think it was like up to
snuff as far as like it feels like john Wick
and the world, but also never got too high. I
do think the flamethrower thing is a good step piece.
I do think that if that was just shorter, maybe
it would be more positive on it because it is fun.
I think the finale it's fun where she has the
water Hose and Yun. I love that, Yeah, and I
think that's going. There's great moments where some guys like
Sneaker in the corner and she has the flame throwing
them with the other arms, she's like shooting the gun.
So it's like, yeah, that was cool. I like she
had to the flamethrower thing on and the club just
like visually looked cool. Like anytime you can have a
colorful club scene, I'm I'm pretty a sucker for that.
And uh yeah, like I said, the john Wick one,
I like that from a story perspective. So did feel
a little lesser then, But it's you know, it's tough
because that's different directors. That's also Keonu who's been doing
all that for a long time, and just certain just
choreography and set pieces that you know didn't stand out
like to me, like in john Wick four, there's multiple
as far. It's like like it's tough because like that
town was fine, but you're never gonna live up to
like the Japanese Continental, right, like that set piece is massive,
or even like the shootout on the Paris you know
by the Eiffel Tower or the stairs or the top
down one. It's like that's the problem with John Mick four.
Usually it's like, okay, we have one massive set piece
in here. John Mick four had like four or five
where it's like this is fucking great. So yeah, nothing
to that scale. But again that's where for me as
something you might go, oh, you want it smaller. To me,
I meant in the scale as far as it felt
like they were bigger, but I didn't feel like it
had the same gravitas as the other one. So that's
why I actually wish they just went smaller and kept
it smaller and then focused on that and then do
one big stet piece, which I'd say would be the flamethrower.
But again, not bad. I think there's like, you know,
great kung Fu or gung Fu. I think all the
you can see on arms doing a law of the
stunts and everything. So I still think it's all serviceable,
good fun John Wick type of action stuff, just might
not be tippy top or have like a tippy top
sequence like Unfortunately, there's nothing here that I could say
for best scene, where like John Wick four, we had
to argue about that, right, But even then, like for me,
chat on John Wick Chapter two and three, there's some
sequences I like in there, but nothing that super stood out.
But I think I think there was like that Mirre
room in john Wick three. But yeah, anything else in
particular that we haven't talked about. We talked about some
of the action about john Wick, talked about the villains,
talked about Eve, Uh, talk about home retis. He's alive.
I can see he'll be there for a sequel. They
need him.
Speaker 3: You know, I thought he was dead for sure when
he got stabbed in that death scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I no reason for them to leave him alive.
But you know they did so good for uh Norman
Redaz's character who can come back, and I imagine which
is good. He'll like, oh, Eve right, because he say
she saved her life and also his daughter's life. So yes,
in the future, it's like, okay, when she needs somebody,
it's kind of like when John Wick need Winston or
Lawrence Fishburne or stuff. It's like, okay, built in kind
of I owe you. You save my daughter, so I'll
come help you out.
Speaker 3: So you got to get just blood pendent thing, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could get that right. I would think that's true.
He saved she saved his daughter's life, you know, And
I like Normous he had one action scene. I'd like
to see more because norm Reda's is Norman Ritas has
like a very Keanu Nick Cage thing where he just
has like a type of vibe about him, right, not
the greatest acting the world, but says a vibe. But yeah,
so he's in here for a small amount. But that's all,
like just saying. With the john Wick characters, Winston has
a couple scene. His concierge is a couple of scenes. Yeah,
and john Wick is couple of scenes. But trying to
think of there's anything else, anything else you can think
of the show to talk about.
Speaker 3: I liked I can't remember if you should this already.
But in the scene where she was at the other
concierge or Continental and she ends up she's just outright
held hostage by the concierge there.
Speaker 2: It's like I didn't uh, I didn't kill anyone.
Speaker 3: I didn't kill anyone, and the other girls like, yeah,
that's a lie. It's like whoa, Like they just execute
the two others and just took her word for it, and.
Speaker 1: I take it they had to have cameras. That's how
I for them being so sure. I took it as
this this continental has cameras. It's like, yeah, we saw,
so that's why. And I did that's one company because
I did like when they execute this two other people
and he looks at you, He's like, I think it's
time to check out, you know, And that was like
a good little there. So all takes a couple of cameras.
And if they can't see that she killed anybody, you
gotta take her.
Speaker 3: By her word, right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: That's that's all I got. That's all I got.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, Taylor, what would you rate this?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, like I already said before, I like
the other I like the other john Wick films over
this And if I'm gonna go and get a craving
for John Wick, I'm gonna I'm gonna be popping this on.
So I'm not popping this on, popping John Wick on.
So I just feel like the writing could.
Speaker 2: Have been done better. And I'm not overly over the.
Speaker 3: Moon for them to be doing a follow up to
this or a sequel. I think, okay, like she's just
she's on the run. That's just gonna be segueing into
what John Wick three that we've seen with john Wick
kind of being executed and on the run. Yeah, like
if she's got the bounty now and she's on the
run from it apparently from the end of this movie,
and it's like, Okay, well now we know where this
is going. We've seen this before with john Wick himself, so.
Speaker 1: I think the problem, yeah, it's and I think the
problem with this is it's like the Ethan Hunt thing
where they didn't say she was exking me to call
in this movie, but it already felt like that, right
because the ballery and there's tons of people at least
I think, like, yeah, you know Vallerina's and the cult
people coming. I guess the only thing you could do
with this to make it somewhat different is and some
people might not like it, but is semi like leon professional,
Like that'd be another hook of her with this kid,
and she's training this kid to be a killer. We've
seen people trained, but we never see John Wick have
like an apprentice, right, So to me, that's that's kind
of the spin I would try. And it could go
terribly because like kids in action movies in Radar could
feel cheesy, But I feel like that's how you try
to make yourself different. But you know she will happen.
She'll probably just get kidnapped and evil be like, I
gotta get her back, you know, like what, Oh well, no,
I guess no, she's with I'm already wrong. I forgot.
I forgot norm Maria's was alive. I talked about it. Yeah,
so she's back with those dads. She actually wouldn't be
with Eve. So yeah, I just feel like we're just
and I guess that's the thing when john Wick's dead, right,
you can't do those So I think they're just trying
to how come we do more john Wick type of stuff?
But he's dead? So we got the ballerina, you know.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, Sorry, did you drop a number?
Speaker 1: Did I miss that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, what would I give it? I know john
Wick four was an easy ten out of ten.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but this one.
Speaker 3: I wish I could remember when I gave the like one, two,
and three all probably still pretty high. I and I'm
I am my worst enemy because I went in here
with the preconceived notion that this is gonna be along
the lines of like john Wick four, we're gonna have
it on par they're gonna be trying to top it.
We're going some crazy shit, but like you said, we
had a different director and all that jazz.
Speaker 2: Uh So I'm gonna probably go and give this a.
Speaker 3: I'll give it a six out of ten because I
still had a good time. I still had fun with it.
But it's not like Over the Moon anything to rave
home about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with there with you there, I'm
like a point five hard so I'm six point five.
But uh yeah, I liked it enough. I did not
feel that while I was there's like, man, I really
regret my time here. But at the same time, I
wasn't like, man, I'm dying to see this again, like
with John Wick Chapter four. I was Jong Wick Chapter
one or just any other like movies this year, right,
And that's fine, that could happen, And that's where like
I'll check out a sequel just to see if they
do this. But I think if a sequel is kind
of similar where that's like if it doesn't improve and
it's like another six six point five, I think that's
why I go, Okay, maybe I'll you know, catch like
the next one on VOD or something like that. But yeah,
almost you know, do their best here with like a
very light script, and like I said, people are like,
oh well, john Wick is always like script I know again,
but you got to do something different and just making
female john Wick didn't really do it for me unless
it's John Wick's daughter and they didn't go that roll
because he has no kids. Some good action set pieces,
but some that went too long. I think the movie
in general is too long because I was talking to
him in the car and I was like, oh yeah,
I guess like an hour and a half. You couldn't
cut it, but it did feel long. Great. When I
looked at two o six, I'm like, yeah, I think
there's like a good maybe fifteen to twenty you could
cut there, but still enjoyable enough. Don't know if I'll
ever we watch this again. U. So that's why I
think like a six point five where I enjoyed my
time for what it was, but it wasn't anything that
memorable and you know, definitely not gonna be on my
golden geeks anywhere. And that's that sex too, because not
either like the best scene or best film, it's just
kind of just kind of came out. It was definitely
because that's the thing that was streaming. Not to knock it,
because there's tons of great stuff, but I feel like
action movies on streaming nowadays are very poor. It feels
like they're just made very cheaply. And she's like, oh,
people love actions, so put that in there. There's a
couple that go past most time. I felt those are
some of the worst type of streaming movies where this
is nowhere near that level. It's just also not like
a like a great time, it's just an okay time.
So yeah, six point five, I find uh, that's where
I'm settling. So yeah, not sure when we'll be back.
Next to the john Wick world. I know they were
making the Cane movie. I know they're making that anime
prequel of the john Wick's Last Job. They're supposedly June
john Wick five with a plot you won't believe, and
I don't want that. So we'll see what happens there,
and then we'll see what happens after the next couple
WEEKDS if Ballery gets a sequel or not, because usually
they make these things for smaller budget. And again where
it's so I said, I'm in the sense where I
liked it enough I would give it another shot. But
if not a big improvement, I'd probably kind of check
out then, or would you be wanting a sequel or
you already checked out on.
Speaker 3: A But I don't feel like I need a sequel.
I feel like I'm checked out. But that being said,
if it's there, I'm gonna watch it and maybe they'll
do that escalation like the other john Wick movies have
where like you said, the first one, you know, it's
ten guys, the next one it's twenty five, it goes
up up.
Speaker 2: Maybe the next one here it's gonna be dude. They
Well did.
Speaker 3: They go during john Wick four? Post John Wick four?
Speaker 1: I would hope so, because then it's like it's a
non prequel world where it's like, oh, what's going on
in the john Wog? Like the table everything right? So
mm yeah, well, lea seoan, we have done it. Let
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You want more, you know, questioning on it. Well, that's
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to see what other people think about this one, but yes,
whenever you hear was next, you'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,