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<v Speaker 1>Hey, y'all, enjoy this bonus episode. This is an interview

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<v Speaker 1>I did with Olivia Plath last week. And as you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know, I have covered every episode of Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>plast Bill, and I believe this is my fourth time

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing Olivia. So enjoy this episode. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear all the Welcome to plast Bill recapped, head

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<v Speaker 1>on over to Pink Shade Prime. The link is in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes. It is on the five dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>month level. Hey everybody, welcome to Pink Shade you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a treat. It's a treat. It's my friend here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Olivia Marie Plath.

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<v Speaker 2>Many.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times have I been on now? Is it's

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<v Speaker 2>like four?

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is four.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that. I'm basically a regular.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a regular. You could come on anytime. We always

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<v Speaker 1>want your your hot takes. Now, I told you right

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<v Speaker 1>before we started, you were talking about roadwork and I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about dogs barking, And just right on, cue,

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs are sparking.

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<v Speaker 2>Just give it a second. The dump truck is going

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<v Speaker 2>to pack up.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, guys, we're city folk. We're city folk. Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the current season is on a platfem. Are you watching

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<v Speaker 1>any of it? Have you seen any or are you

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<v Speaker 1>just like seeing the clips.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen any episodes. I've seen a lot of clips,

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<v Speaker 2>either they're landing on my algorithm or people are tagging

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<v Speaker 2>me in them, or my friends are like, did you

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<v Speaker 2>see what was said about you? So I haven't watched episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've seen quite a few clips from the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the episode that is on Tuesday night and this

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<v Speaker 1>year this interview will come out tomorrow on Wednesday. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>If you thought Veronica was an asshole before, boy does

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<v Speaker 1>she really really ratchet it down on that being an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>She's really really leaning in. And I didn't want that

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case, Olivia. I wanted her to not

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<v Speaker 1>be a jerk. I wanted her to be just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to expose the family, trying to fight for

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<v Speaker 1>her relationship by making my casie that he can't stay

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<v Speaker 1>with so close. But no, she's just she's just become

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<v Speaker 1>a real asshole. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really tricky because when I first reached out to her,

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<v Speaker 2>I had never met or didn't know anything about her

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<v Speaker 2>as a person, and I was just genuinely concerned about her,

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<v Speaker 2>and as she kept reaching back out to me and

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to talk through things and compare experiences, I was

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<v Speaker 2>being told by people around her like, yes, she does

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<v Speaker 2>need support and is being treated poorly, but just be careful,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, watch your back and just be careful

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<v Speaker 2>what you say because everything will become a screenshot and

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<v Speaker 2>a receipt YEP, a receipt. And so I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tried to be careful. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>toe the line. I'd never met her, so I also

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<v Speaker 2>didn't just want to take everyone's opinion of her. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to kind of give her time to prove who

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<v Speaker 2>she was. And the more time has gone on, the

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<v Speaker 2>more I'm just like, two things can be true. We

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<v Speaker 2>can both have been treated poorly by this family that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like anyone who doesn't share their same DNA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you participated in it, you engaged in bullying other people,

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<v Speaker 2>and genuinely like, are not a very nice person, And

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<v Speaker 2>those two things can be true at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. I mean on this particular episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you this particular episode that we will

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<v Speaker 1>have seen on Tuesday night, when the last episode she's

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<v Speaker 1>been she talks down to Micah. You know, she basically

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<v Speaker 1>calls them stupid. She'll he'll say, you're talking down to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and she'll say, like, you deserve it because you're not intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, so why are you dating them? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing is like I agree that their

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<v Speaker 2>schooling lacked so much and set them back in life,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, they could do a lot of internal work

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<v Speaker 2>of gaining tools for their toolbox and emotional regulation and

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, understanding of how the world works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you feel that way about someone and you

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're that dumb, why are you dating them

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<v Speaker 2>and with them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is it just to have somebody to be mean to?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It's now this particular episode is where she

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<v Speaker 1>starts just continually calling Tigan a slut. That's the word

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<v Speaker 1>she's using, slut. And you know, Mike is like, she's

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<v Speaker 1>got in her mind that Teagan has an only fans

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<v Speaker 1>and for some reason that's an issue with her and

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<v Speaker 1>decides to call her a slut. And this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of where I get the disconnect. Is like, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>Teagan has an only fans, which I don't think she does.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say she does or she doesn't. Why does Veronica

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<v Speaker 1>care about that? To then be like I hate her,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not allowed to be around her, she's a slut,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I But what I will say is there were moments

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<v Speaker 2>in my relationship with Ethan where I thought he might

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<v Speaker 2>have cheated on me. And I say this as I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do not have proof of him ever going

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<v Speaker 2>on cheating. But there were things. There were certain girls

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<v Speaker 2>that he was very adamant he had to follow or

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<v Speaker 2>he would reply to all their stories, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like why, and I felt insecure about it. And there

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<v Speaker 2>were moments where he would go and want to hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with this girl every time he was back in

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<v Speaker 2>kro and I was like, I just I don't like her.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the vibes here. And I would start

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<v Speaker 2>to feel kind of insecure and jealous and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to hang out with her. But

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<v Speaker 2>so like, I get that part of Veronica having been

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<v Speaker 2>cheated on multiple times by Micah, yeah, and letting that

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<v Speaker 2>insecurity kind of like feeding that insecurity and wondering if

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay for him to be around any girl, especially

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<v Speaker 2>one that she considers, for lack of a better word,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, more promiscuous. At the same time, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>say that you support strong, independent women. You can't say

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<v Speaker 2>that you are a girl's girl. You can't say that

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<v Speaker 2>you champion women like. You can't say all these things

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<v Speaker 2>and then turn around slushame them. It doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But she has no proof of anything, you know. Another

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<v Speaker 1>thing she says on this episode is, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Teagan reached out to Ethan online and basically stalked him,

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<v Speaker 1>and she knew what she was getting into with this family.

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<v Speaker 1>And Micah says, that has nothing to do with us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very relationship. Why are you calling her a slut?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? It isn't enough. And then Micah says on

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<v Speaker 1>this episode that Veronica said regarding Mariah, who she had

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<v Speaker 1>the issue with, but Mariah was very gracious to her

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode, like please come and sit please, we

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<v Speaker 1>want to include you, Like, don't sit over here by yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>She has said regarding Mariah, I wouldn't care if she

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<v Speaker 1>got murdered by the drug cartel, and and Micah goes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the production goes. You know, Veronica says things

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<v Speaker 1>that she doesn't mean them. He goes, yeah, but she

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<v Speaker 1>still said it. Can you imagine, like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you get from A to B? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you get from murdered by the drug cartel? But she

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<v Speaker 1>said I wouldn't care she got murdered by a drug cartel.

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<v Speaker 1>Regarding his sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Speciless, Yes, wow, Mariah is someone that I do not

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<v Speaker 2>trust at all, and I would never ever say something

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<v Speaker 2>like that about her, about anyone, about anyone. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm not going to bring any politics onto

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast. But this changes some things because Ronica has

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<v Speaker 2>been on TikTok last night making comments about me everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>because she's decided that since I said we're not friends,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden she's mad at me. And now

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I'm thinking about the thing she

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<v Speaker 2>was saying about me last night, and I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this changes everything. It doesn't change everything, but it's just like, huh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Micah said, you know, she says the most horrible things

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<v Speaker 1>about people. She resorts to name calling, and even in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, when she kept saying slut, Micah said, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to do with the name calling, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not names, it's an adjective. Actually, you know she

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<v Speaker 1>was saying slutty. She's like, slutty is an adjective. But

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<v Speaker 1>she also says things like we're doing comfortable and cestpool,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's not like the brightest ball herself, which is

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<v Speaker 1>also annoying that she then talks about how stupid Micah is,

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<v Speaker 1>but she does this like spewing of the hate like

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<v Speaker 1>it's cute, like it's badass. She's like, they could just

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<v Speaker 1>keep waiting. More bombs will drop on this episode, Tea

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<v Speaker 1>getting Kaylin her standing over the side because their family

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<v Speaker 1>pictures being taken, and she goes, oh, you know they're

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<v Speaker 1>standing to this side because they're not family either. But

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something, if they get into those pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pull them down by the hair. My

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<v Speaker 1>claws are out of their mittens. Like why why are

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<v Speaker 1>you mad at those two girls who were just dating

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<v Speaker 1>brothers in this like it doesn't make it? And he

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like, why are you so worked up and angry?

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<v Speaker 1>We understand she had the issue with Mariah, we understand

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<v Speaker 1>she's mad at Barry, but the rest of it makes

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<v Speaker 1>the recent And yeah, she says to Mariah on this

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<v Speaker 1>episode because you know, even your mom. I wrote your

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<v Speaker 1>mom and said, I don't want to sit with Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>and Tigan, you know, Tigan being a slutin all, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sit with them. And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>even your mom wrote back and say, name six people

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<v Speaker 1>you do get along with, and I goes, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>one for Kim. That's one for Kim. Also, what was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is kk Ken was at the wedding and just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there with the family, and you had the whole season.

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<v Speaker 2>He uh, he's been around during the season. He just

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been shown. Okay, well, yeah, he was there for

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of things. I think that he's so loud

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<v Speaker 2>and proud with his views that he's been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like just quietly, you know, not shown for things for

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<v Speaker 2>that way they can escape backlash. But he's still there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still around. Yeah, because she said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the season, like he's still around. She either said

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<v Speaker 1>we are friends with benefit. I was like, ew no, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically said, we're still friends and all we're just not

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<v Speaker 2>hooking up. We're just like, first off, not true, and second,

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<v Speaker 2>who freaking cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I got right into Veronica. But I had so

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<v Speaker 1>many questions before that. Sorry, I just had to that's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit, it's a bit. Uh, it's a head scratcher.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a head scratcher. And now are you in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with Ethan at all? Are you actually divorced at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in time in September of twenty twenty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>year of Our Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we are not. I I blocked him a while back,

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<v Speaker 2>just because he was incredibly rude, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any energy for this. I will deal

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<v Speaker 2>with his attorney for getting divorced and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to him for this. In talking to his attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>I had two requests. One was that it is a

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney couldn't guarantee that would happen. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>do those two things. That feels to me like the

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<v Speaker 2>bare minimum in a contentious divorce filing. So we will

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens at this point. I owe his attorney

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<v Speaker 2>an email, and I was out of town for the

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<v Speaker 2>last month and haven't gotten back to him yet when

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<v Speaker 2>one myself. Yeah, the thing is like to file from,

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<v Speaker 2>for six months because my name in the system was

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<v Speaker 2>the State of Georgia took three months to send me

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just, honestly, it's like one long step at

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<v Speaker 2>a time, and the hardest part of it is just

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<v Speaker 2>the to getting officially divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>So the season has eleven episodes. We're on episode nine,

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<v Speaker 1>which aired on Tuesday. There's two to go, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming they're bringing Olivia Plath in for the big finale. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I regret. I regret saying yes to filming with

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan one more time, but I did and it'll show.

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<v Speaker 1>on tropic time now. Now here is a is a

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<v Speaker 1>right turn something that we have noticed a lot on.

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<v Speaker 1>This really ramped up since Lydia and Zacher together and

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<v Speaker 1>we're having this kissing situation leading up to the wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Very makes so many sexual comments about Lydia. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>something that is familiar to you? He constantly refers to

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<v Speaker 1>them having sex, and this week when they had their

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<v Speaker 1>first kiss, he literally is like, oh, yeah, get in there,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see some tongue. This is his daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. Unfortunately, the world that I grew up in,

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<v Speaker 2>the fundamental Christian world, places such a high emphasis on sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether the message is abstaining or not, it's still a

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult, I look back now and I am

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<v Speaker 2>able to see all of the ways that my dad

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<v Speaker 2>and my brothers sexualized me that I couldn't see when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in that world. Even something as simple as

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<v Speaker 2>my brother's saying, don't wear a tang top because you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to defraud me and make me stumble. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a girl growing up in that world, it was like, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if I wear these things, men will stumble if they

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<v Speaker 2>see my body as an adult, I'm like, that was

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing with my dad. I remember when I

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<v Speaker 2>and my gross spurt was very, very quick. And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember we were going out to an event one day

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess my shirt was like an umpire waist

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<v Speaker 2>tied too tight, and my dad sent my mom to

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<v Speaker 2>see if I'd stuffed my bra because he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's that big. And as a girl,

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<v Speaker 2>when my mom came up to me, he was like

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<v Speaker 2>feeling my bra. I was like, did you put anything

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I ever do that as an adult. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so creepy that my dad was looking at me

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<v Speaker 2>that way. But unfortunately that's very common in the Christian

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental world. They placed such a high emphasis on sex

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<v Speaker 2>and purity and all of these things that when that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're consumed with, it makes sense that it comes

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<v Speaker 2>out in all shapes and forms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so strong and yeah, this week, when he said

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<v Speaker 1>let's get in there, let's seed some tongue and all this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so strange. And Kim, in her skirt in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen preparing for the wedding, said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why Lydy and Zach have to get married,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ethan says, they just want to fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, Ethan said that about his sister to

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<v Speaker 1>his mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh gross, yes, they That does not shock me

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I was very familiar with him saying things

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've all we're always like Ethan as a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>year old horny boy at all times. It's so gross

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that he says. And Ethan even says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's said many many times that Zach is gay.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, look, you know, he does this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought about you the whole time. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>many people the problem with gay people. Listen, people may

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<v Speaker 1>not believe in me, but I have no judgment on

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<v Speaker 1>gay people, he says, you know, and I really hope

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<v Speaker 1>they have a very passionate sex life filled with desire

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<v Speaker 1>from both sides. I was like, that's your sister.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a weird thing to say. When I

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<v Speaker 2>was with Ethan and he was obsessed with sex and

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. Again, it was normalized to me because

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<v Speaker 2>of how men are in the fundamental world, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think much of it. As the years went on,

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<v Speaker 2>every time he would like tell a story to camera

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<v Speaker 2>or things like that, I mean, he had some famous stories,

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<v Speaker 2>infamous stories he told throughout the seasons of things sexual stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would always be so embarrassed, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>kind of laugh it off because I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know what to say. This is Ethan, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what gets him views people like this. The

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<v Speaker 2>producers always thought it was really funny, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>would just kind of laugh long and I was embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we're not together and I see him do

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<v Speaker 2>believe that I ever just kind of let that slide

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<v Speaker 2>and thought it was normal, whether it was him talking

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<v Speaker 2>about him disturbating in church as a child or things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Now that I see that he's drawing his

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend naked and think that thinks that that's funny, or

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<v Speaker 2>making comments about his sister's sex slave, I I can

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<v Speaker 2>now see it for being as creepy as it is,

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<v Speaker 2>And I know now why I was so embarrassed when

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<v Speaker 2>I was younger, even if I didn't have the words

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting too because there's a scene where after the engagement,

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<v Speaker 1>Micah and Ethan pull Zach to beside and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to kiss her? Are you gay? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you interested in women at all? And Zach's having to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of explain himself. Micah, you know, kind of does

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<v Speaker 1>the like we have a lot of gay friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any problem with gay people. But it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's marrying your that's not the point. The point

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<v Speaker 1>is not whether you have gay friends. It was so awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, Ethan's like, you know, I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, and obviously you know men like to fuck

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<v Speaker 1>their women.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically it's like do you want to fuck my sister?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so you're like the gross, like you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your sister sex life like gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, he didn't the last year that we were married,

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<v Speaker 2>he refused to be intimate with me because he said

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<v Speaker 2>he refused to be intimate with someone who was opposing

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<v Speaker 2>political views to his. So I don't really know why

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks he has a leg to stand on there, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we talk a lot this season about his jeans

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<v Speaker 1>being pulled all the way up into his balls. We're like, why, why,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you now put your jeans up so high

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<v Speaker 1>and why? Anyways, that's a topic coy.

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<v Speaker 2>I see when people ask me, like, so, this black

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<v Speaker 2>shirt and jeans is his uniform, right, Like he never

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<v Speaker 2>picked it off. Is this what he wore when you

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<v Speaker 2>guys were together? And I'm like, no, he had a

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<v Speaker 2>different uniform he wore then. But the funny thing is

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<v Speaker 2>I went to one of the Minnesota cousin's weddings last

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<v Speaker 2>year because they invited me, and I never saw Ethan there,

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<v Speaker 2>although I assumed he'd be there. He apparently showed up

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<v Speaker 2>during the ceremony. You'll never guess what he was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>to this wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Black T shirt and jeans. Yes to my wedding, hiked.

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<v Speaker 2>All the way up with the sunglasses on, never took

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<v Speaker 2>his sunglasses off once even during inside reception and dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>and then left like super early because he didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be there if I was there, And I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>he had a girlfriend at the time, and I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I lively life. I don't know, but maybe get a

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<v Speaker 2>different outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>This season though it seems really divided, right. It really

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<v Speaker 1>is Barry and the daughters versus Kim and the sons.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very weird how Kim's just like boys'll be boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so funny that they're trying to light fires.

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<v Speaker 1>When Zach is trying to get engaged with oh, Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>just he got mad and went off of his car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all very girls, Kim and the boys versus Kim

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<v Speaker 1>and the boys versus Very and the girls. And even

418
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<v Speaker 1>Kim approaches Ethan and Isaac at the rehearsal and says,

419
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<v Speaker 1>later tonight, the three of us are going to confront

420
00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Lydia with the red flags that we see. Yeah, this

421
00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.559
<v Speaker 1>is the mother of the bride.

422
00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

423
00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:01.319
<v Speaker 1>At the rehearsal.

424
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.519
<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting when you see who Kim favors. It's

425
00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:10.279
<v Speaker 2>whatever child will feed into her ego. So Lydia used

426
00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.799
<v Speaker 2>to be Kim's favorite. When Lydia would tattle on the

427
00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>other kids, when she would confirm Kim's ego, that Kim

428
00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:18.200
<v Speaker 2>was a great parent. It was just Mike and Mariah

429
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that were rebellious. It all worked out. Look at Lydia,

430
00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and now that Lydia is still living that lifestyle, but

431
00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Kim is different. All of a sudden, Ethan is Kim's favorite. Well,

432
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.960
<v Speaker 2>before Ethan, it was Mariah. When Mariah started going back

433
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and best friends with her mom, then it was Mariah

434
00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:36.400
<v Speaker 2>because it was like, see, it was Mariah's problem along.

435
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Now me and Mariah are really close and Mariah can

436
00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:40.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of help get Ethan back to the fold, And

437
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>now we don't see Kim spending that much time with

438
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Mariah anymore. All of a sudden, it's Ethan. Also, Ethan

439
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:47.680
<v Speaker 2>is her favorite after being a stranger for many years,

440
00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>because Ethan now feeds into her ego, and it's to me.

441
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people miss that. But if

442
00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you look at kind of the big picture of how

443
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Kim's witches favorite literally is whatever kid will help her

444
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:04.559
<v Speaker 2>do what she wants to do.

445
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.799
<v Speaker 1>And feed into her ego, it's such a great point.

446
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.480
<v Speaker 1>That's really really interesting. That's really interesting because you're right,

447
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.319
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, she and Mariah were so closed

448
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>last year, and you're like, huh, Like remember Mayer, remember

449
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the one that you kicked out of the house at

450
00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.559
<v Speaker 1>sixteen because she wanted to wear a tank top to

451
00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the bowling Alley, like, you know, like what that's very

452
00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>very interesting speaking of that reminds me of the Three

453
00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:33.279
<v Speaker 1>little Girls. I mean Amber now is sixteen and doing

454
00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the makeup at the wedding, which was like Amber's like

455
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the new Lydia's like, not only do you have to

456
00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.000
<v Speaker 1>be made of honor, you also have to do everyone's makeup.

457
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Do the three younger girls go to actual school?

458
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

459
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Still don't know, still don't attend school, even though now

460
00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>they like live in a house in a neighborhood and.

461
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing.

462
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you know if it is correct what Kim

463
00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>posts this season, she has very come over and it

464
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.519
<v Speaker 1>was like, I really need help with the child support.

465
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, she has like a waitressing job. And he's like, yeah,

466
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that's tough. You don't have any money. That's too bad

467
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 1>for you. Like he doesn't, And I was like, well, legally,

468
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.160
<v Speaker 1>actually he should be giving child support to those three

469
00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 1>kids that are minors.

470
00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's what I know of their finances, and

471
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.000
<v Speaker 2>this is based on a decade's worth of knowledge. But

472
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I have not been in the family for two years. Yeah,

473
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I hear things from extended family members or through the grapevine.

474
00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 2>But just putting that out there. Number one, Like, when

475
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>before the show ever started, Barry was the only one

476
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>with an income and a job. Absolutely, yes, Kim did

477
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.519
<v Speaker 2>have an MLM business that she made money off of,

478
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>but still very very traditional, typical family money situation. When

479
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the show started, Barry gave all that money to Kim.

480
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Whatever was made off the show, Kim took and used

481
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>that for various things, and she wasted it all. She

482
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.799
<v Speaker 2>would drop like fifty thousand dollars on, you know, something

483
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:00.440
<v Speaker 2>for the farm because she wanted to be a wedding

484
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>venue that never happened. She would drop x amount of

485
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>money on a dance studio because she thought she was

486
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 2>going to be a dance teacher that never happened. And

487
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like financial thing after thing that she would just

488
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 2>spend a ton of money on that never panned out

489
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.079
<v Speaker 2>to anything. And then when they started renting out all

490
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>these properties, she also got that income. They split it.

491
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.559
<v Speaker 2>So present day, to the best of my knowledge, Barry

492
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 2>still is working a full time job. Yes, has that income.

493
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 2>He's also paying the mortgage on the house that Kim

494
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.559
<v Speaker 2>wanted to buy in kro when they left the farm,

495
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.279
<v Speaker 2>so he's now acquired that house debt. He's also paying

496
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the mortgage on one of the other properties in town

497
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 2>that she wanted to buy. She's getting a huge cut

498
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.920
<v Speaker 2>from the show of what's made her and Barry split

499
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 2>that now, Okay. She's also getting incoming rent from Airbnb

500
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 2>properties that they have out, and she's working a part

501
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 2>time job. The honest truth is she's not good at

502
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:58.079
<v Speaker 2>managing her money. Yeah, whether paperwork says Barry owes her something,

503
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised because he does have a full

504
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>time job. But I can say very confidently she does

505
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 2>not manage her money well. And she is making money.

506
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>She's spending on things like boats and airplanes and forerunners

507
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>and qua I mean not for runners, four wheelers and

508
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:16.279
<v Speaker 2>quads and this and that, and trips and drinking and

509
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Yeah. And squirts, yeah, yeah, and squirts

510
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>all the sports.

511
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because you know, when she was saying to him, like,

512
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I need this money for the kids. I was like, oh,

513
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 1>my God, don't make us now root for Kim. Yeah,

514
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>but we're like, God, Barry, if you owe money for

515
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 1>the kids, she should get money for the kids. Like

516
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 1>it's we're always so torn and you know, we do

517
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 1>this a lot. We're like, Okay, Barry does seem to

518
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>be the more consistent, better parent, but like, don't make us,

519
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>don't make us like Barry. He's at here like sexualizing

520
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>these kids, you know.

521
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I will say he does have the

522
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>kids more than she does, but no, all right, So why.

523
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Ethan specifically regarding this wedding and Lydia

524
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and Zach? Why does he have so much for my

525
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>knowledge just from watching this show. It's not like he

526
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 1>and Lydia were best friends and spoke on the phone

527
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 1>every single day, and he's really from what I could see,

528
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't praarely talked to her in two years. So

529
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>why is he being such a jerk about the wedding

530
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and such a jerk about Zach. Yes, maybe it's too fast,

531
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 1>but you've never seen two people more student to each

532
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>other than these two, you know. Yeah.

533
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I from a removed armchair diagnosis position, I think

534
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 2>he's really angry that his marriage didn't work out, And

535
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>it almost feels like he is turning around and doing

536
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to Zach exactly what his family did to me. And

537
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>he's somehow things that I deserved it because he's rewritten history.

538
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It used to be. He would say on the show

539
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 2>to everyone, like, you guys mistreat Olivia, Yes, and she's

540
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>only trying to you know, do x y Z. And

541
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.599
<v Speaker 2>he's really everything now Now Suddenly, if I spent time

542
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>with the younger kids because I was trying to manipulate them,

543
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>even though I genuinely had a relationship and loved his

544
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>younger siblings, and he knew that and loved that. It

545
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.319
<v Speaker 2>was only really his parents that I had the issue with.

546
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>But all of a sudden, now I only liked his

547
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>siblings because I was manipulating them. Like, he's rewritten history

548
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>so much the point that he thinks I deserved what

549
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>his family did to me. And it's almost like he's

550
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>turned around and projected that straight onto Zach and is

551
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 2>doing to Zach exactly what his parents did to me.

552
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, And then Veronica also tried to come in and

553
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 1>billy Zach too. She was like, Yeah, here's what we're

554
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>going to do today. We're all gonna not talk to him. Okay,

555
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Like how old are you? Like, it's just wild.

556
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I think she's stuck in high school. There's a reason

557
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>why she identifies with Regina George and constantly lets everyone

558
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 2>know that that's kind of peak high school mean girl energy.

559
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 2>If in my honest opinion.

560
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>It's it's yeah. And the thing about Zac is yes,

561
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Zach is a bit odd. And you'll see on the

562
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>wedding episode they do a lot of giggling and jumping

563
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 1>and skipping and squealing and you know what, he's odd,

564
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>he's quirky.

565
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Then they'll be quirky together.

566
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>But she's quirky too. Yeah, Yeah, Can I just ask

567
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>one thing of you watch the actual wedding, just just

568
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that ten minutes, just that ten minutes, because there's a

569
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:34.119
<v Speaker 1>moment at the altar where Zach and Lydia sing to

570
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>each other.

571
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've seen the clip of this, but that's okay.

572
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to protect my hearing.

573
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 1>It's this is another moment where Ethan and tigue and

574
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>look at the ground. Veronica covers her face, Kim kind

575
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 1>of does a grimace, and the only one closing his

576
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>eyes and taking in the moment is Barry. But we're like,

577
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, in this one exact moment, we agree

578
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>with Ethan Veronica, you know what I mean? Like, because

579
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>it was listen, you cover a lot of weddings. You

580
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of wedding photography. Have you ever seen

581
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 1>two people just break into song and sing to each

582
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>other at the altar?

583
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Lydia's older sister when she got married.

584
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Stop the madness, no way.

585
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they sang in an entire song to each other.

586
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, Isaac said on the on the episode He goes

587
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 1>it was a little cringey, and yet it seemed like

588
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it went on for thirty minutes. Yeah, Isaac's like it

589
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>lasted thirty minutes. It was the listen.

590
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't choose to listen to that, But I don't

591
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>think any of them have a leg to stand on

592
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 2>because they all think they're the world's best singers, and

593
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>we've been subjected to that singing many, many, many times.

594
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know why all of a sudden they're

595
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>cringing and Lydia's doing exactly what they do.

596
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Not one listen. And I hate to and again, I

597
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>hate to ever be on Ethan's side about anything, but

598
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's the only one I've ever heard

599
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that can maybe carry a tune. And you don't even

600
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>agree with that.

601
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 2>But I don't hear he can carry a tune. He

602
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.119
<v Speaker 2>can carry it tune. Yeah. They all have a very

603
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 2>conflated view of their singing abilities. Yeah, so it makes

604
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 2>perfect sense to me that Lydia chose to do that.

605
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 2>That's all she knows. Her family has alwaysought they're the

606
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 2>best at music. Why would she not do it out

607
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>her wedding? Again, her older sister did.

608
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Well. Not to upset you, but you would you like

609
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 1>me to play you a clip.

610
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to make me go deaf.

611
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll just give you. I'll give it to you briefly. Okay, ready,

612
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>take my mind.

613
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 2>With you.

614
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>That's the first one. The second one is Lydia and

615
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>her roommate and Zach singing together because they just burst

616
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 1>into song all the time.

617
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Here they go tuned up for me.

618
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Now, as you can tell from that, Zach and the

619
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>roommate have better voices Olivia, and they carry that. But

620
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not cute up for you. I have it on

621
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>my soundboard to play to torture people all the time.

622
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just there.

623
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a victim.

624
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You were just here and I thought, you know what,

625
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>who would like to hear this? It's okay.

626
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>When they used to record their family singing albums. I

627
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>would be there sitting in the studio, like on the

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<v Speaker 2>long studio days, just listening. Usually when a musician goes

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<v Speaker 2>in and records an album, they already know their music

630
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<v Speaker 2>inside and out, and they're playing their music to record

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<v Speaker 2>an album. They would go in and learn their songs

632
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<v Speaker 2>line by line. They would practice the line till they

633
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<v Speaker 2>got it right, and then record that line, practice the

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<v Speaker 2>next line till they got it right, and then record

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<v Speaker 2>that line. Like they did not know their music when

636
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 2>they went in at all. And I was always sitting

637
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 2>there like, huh, this makes no sense. If you're recording

638
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 2>an album, that's because you're good enough with your music

639
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>that you're at that point, not because you're recording one

640
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 2>line at a time and autotuning it. And they didn't

641
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<v Speaker 2>even play the backing tracks for it, they had the

642
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<v Speaker 2>studio do that. It just always confused me.

643
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<v Speaker 1>So it seems like a waste of time. And the

644
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>fact that they have studio albums is also bizarre.

645
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

646
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Do you think, because I do, do you think

647
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that zach Lydia should just move away?

648
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it is good for any young

649
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 2>married couple to put some space between them and their

650
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>families and figure out who they want to be together.

651
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 2>And I don't view Lydia and Zach as any exception.

652
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>I personally know how hard it was to live very

653
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>close to the Plath family and just how involved they

654
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>get in relationships, so maybe I would add a little

655
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>bit more urgency to it. At the end of the day,

656
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it's completely what they want to do. I know that

657
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 2>they want to have grandkids as soon as possible and

658
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 2>be involved with her family, but I think that any

659
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 2>young married couple should consider moving away after the.

660
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Way that the family has treated Zak. And then the

661
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>night before the wedding, they pull Lydia aside to try

662
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 1>to have an INTERVINSI with her about her husband being gay.

663
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>The night before the wedding, they do this again, and

664
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<v Speaker 1>Lydia brings Barry with her as like a backup because

665
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>she knows that they're gonna it's Mom, Ethan and Isaac,

666
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the rage brothers and Mom, and then they confront Lydia

667
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>to say like, he's gay, but they had him sit

668
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>on the porch while they discussed it. I mean, the

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00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>night before the wedding, and Dak's like, how can you

670
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>have so much so little respect? For a wedding, much

671
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:45.159
<v Speaker 1>less your sister's wedding.

672
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy because Lydia is someone that they have consistently

673
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 2>throughout her life overlooked, ignored, predified, made into the wark

674
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>mule for the family, the surrogate for the family, like

675
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>they have never once cared about her her and until

676
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>she makes a choice for herself. Yeah, and all of

677
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, they're all up in arms about how much

678
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>they want to protect her, and it's like, you've never

679
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to protect her. And I feel badly about that

680
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 2>now because when I look back at when I first

681
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>joined their family, and even before, I would always ask

682
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Mica and Mariah to hang out with me because I

683
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 2>knew that they wanted some independence and freedom, and Lydia

684
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 2>would tattle on us all the time. Anything we did,

685
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>she would go back and tell him. And this was

686
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 2>even something that was me excluded a dynamic in their family.

687
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 2>It would always be like, don't tell Lydia and Hosannah,

688
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>They'll tell Mom. Those are Mom's favorite kids. And I

689
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 2>look back now and it makes me sad that I

690
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 2>perpetuated this structure even further of Lydia being left out

691
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and overlooked and ignored. I wish I had done more

692
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to include her and be kinder to her, but I

693
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>am also aware that that structure predicated my time.

694
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, there was one part of the season where Lydia

695
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and Zach Go visit Veronica and Micah in in Boca,

696
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's very interesting because they're all they're all having

697
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 1>drinks and everything, and I'm like, I didn't know Lydia

698
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>would ever have a drink, you know, but there were

699
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.119
<v Speaker 1>it was like Veronica had a special drink and they

700
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>kept saying like, well, for first they would say like

701
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 1>because she's about to be twenty one, and then they

702
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 1>would say because she is twenty one.

703
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>You know.

704
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, get it right, somebody, whatever's the timeline

705
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>because I got her on my list is twenty. But

706
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>she apparently was either close, but she was like oh yeah,

707
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I like this drink and stuff like that, and You're like,

708
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>so now Lydia is cool, Like now, okay, please tell

709
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>us that Micah is the one to be saved, because

710
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>we feel like Micah is the one here that's going

711
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to be saved, that he's not joining the Rage Brothers,

712
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and they're what my co hosts Amy says that you know,

713
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>eight o'clock every nights when they do their hate crimes.

714
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's like we feel like that's why they get

715
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 1>at the wedding. They kept having to leave because you know,

716
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 1>hate crimes start at eight. Allegedly, guys, it's a joke,

717
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 1>but it feels like Micah is always the one to

718
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, maybe let's we're just like holding out

719
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a hope for Micah.

720
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I think Micah's more passive as a person, which I

721
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>think we see even in his relationship with Veronica Totally.

722
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

723
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I think at the end of the day, all he

724
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>ever had was each other, and that's what they'll always

725
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 2>go back to, and they're always going to pick each

726
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>other over anyone else with a different ideology or who

727
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>comes into the family or anything. I was telling someone

728
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 2>yesterday on a different podcast that she asked me who

729
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I had hope for, and I said, look, I don't

730
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 2>think I should ever play in the casino or the

731
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>lottery because everyone I had my hope on like they've

732
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>gone back. So obviously I'm not good at picking. And

733
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 2>whether any of them she was differently get out, I

734
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>don't know the ones that I thought one didn't so

735
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I'm the best person to comment

736
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 2>on that.

737
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>And the thing too, is with Veronica, like spilling all

738
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>this tea and whatnot on social media is everything she

739
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>says now we all have to give a side eye

740
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 1>to because we're like, Okay, she did this huge timeline

741
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>of what happened at the wedding, but we're seeing in

742
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>real time and we're seeing for next week. Probably a

743
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of that's not correct. So she's also talking about

744
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Mica being a cheater with men and women and whoever.

745
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Now we're like, yeah, I do think he's a cheater.

746
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 1>He admitted he cheated. But it's like, now are we

747
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna like not. You can't believe anything she says now

748
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>because she's said so many things that don't now add

749
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 1>up seeing on the show, you.

750
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, it's crazy because again I do think she

751
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>was treated poorly by their family. You also can't call

752
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>someone a bully and then turn around to be a bully.

753
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 2>No one's going to believe you anymore, which is exactly

754
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>what's happened to her. Yeah, there are things that she

755
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 2>has said about the family that I'm like, that's right,

756
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I know that. Yeah, And then there are other things

757
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>that she has said that I'm like, I knew that

758
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>family for a decade. There's no that that's not true. Yeah,

759
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Like why would you discredit your own message by embellishing

760
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>or live or making things up? Like, why would you

761
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>do that to your own record if you want to

762
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 2>be believed?

763
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I yeah. And again at the beginning, we were like, Okay,

764
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 1>here's another woman that's going to come in this family

765
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and show it like it is. But it didn't turn

766
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>out that way.

767
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Funny because she left me a comment yesterday and a TikTok.

768
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.320
<v Speaker 2>She left me a lot of comments yes to be

769
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok. She decided in the span of like a

770
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>day that she hates me now because I said we

771
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>weren't friends, because you're not.

772
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not like she's your buddy that you're calling her up.

773
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Or she was telling everyone on Reddit that we talked

774
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.519
<v Speaker 2>every day, and I'm like, no, we don't. But I

775
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of waiting to see how things played out,

776
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and I was waiting for her to show her behavior

777
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 2>because I'd been told things but I'd never seen it confirmed,

778
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to see from her directly. And as

779
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the season has aired and I've seen things from her.

780
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I started to put my like some distance between us

781
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.760
<v Speaker 2>because I don't align with bullies or bigots. It's just

782
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>not who I am. She left me in comment yesterday

783
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok saying that I am the antithesis of everything

784
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>that I say I am, and it's very comedic to her.

785
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And she said, I'm I'm always honest, or she said

786
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm messy but always honest. And I was like, it's

787
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 2>not even worth my time responding to that, because we

788
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>all know you're not honest. Yeah, we know that it's

789
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.760
<v Speaker 2>just not worth my time answering. But it's funny that

790
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 2>she views herself that way.

791
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I kind of go back to the whole

792
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 1>thing with Teagan is like Mike says, she met Teagan

793
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 1>one other time, everything was fine, and now she's got

794
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 1>in her head that Tiegan has only fans and so

795
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>she hates her. But he goes, but like, why why

796
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>even if Tegan was the biggest only fans star in

797
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the world that have to do with her, why would

798
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that make her hate her?

799
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also, let's for a second entertain a hypothetical situation.

800
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Let's say someone like Tiagan was the biggest only fan

801
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 2>star in the world. And let's say you caught your

802
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.880
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend watching her things and looking at that. Then you

803
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 2>have two choices. You can either talk about how in

804
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>your relationship it's okay to view that kind of thing,

805
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.400
<v Speaker 2>or it's not. And if it's not, then you walk

806
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>away and break up, Like you give that person a

807
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>chance to like, Okay, we're not okay with this, don't

808
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 2>do it again. If it's a repeat offense, then you

809
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>walk away and break up. Like why would you say?

810
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I will never accept this behavior. But the way that

811
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you handle that is you can never talk to this

812
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>person again, and I'm going to control every move, Like

813
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>just just walk away, just.

814
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Break up, Just break up. She clearly thinks he's an

815
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 1>idiot and not you know, in beneath her and all this.

816
00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And then she even said in that same therapy session

817
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 1>where she said the family was assessed, well, which is

818
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>not the correct word, she said something about the golden rules.

819
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>She said, I believe in the Golden rule. You know,

820
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you treat me nice and I'll treat you nice, and

821
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 1>if you don't, I won't treat you nice. And and

822
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Mike goes, yeah, it's like in the Bible, you know,

823
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>basically like treat others with respect, or treat others as

824
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you would treat your neighbor as yourself or whatever. And

825
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>she just laughs and looks at the therapists like he's

826
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 1>so stupid. The Golden rule is in the Bible, oh

827
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>my god.

828
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 2>And I said it was one of the ten Commandments,

829
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and that's not true.

830
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 1>But love your neighbor as yourself is in the Ten Commandments,

831
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>which is the same as treating other people with the

832
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 1>same respect you would want them to treat you. Yeah,

833
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I and he's not completely wrong, but she's such an

834
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 1>asshole about everything.

835
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, love your neighbor as yourself. I don't think it's

836
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Ten Commandments. I think that's a command that

837
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Jesus gives the New Testament, where he says love the

838
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Lord or all your heart, someone and strength, and love

839
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor as yourself.

840
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so by the way, you would know more than me.

841
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. I had a sorry, I mean to be like

842
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>right condescendingly. No, No, I had I had a chuckle

843
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 2>when I heard Mica say that, because I was just like,

844
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it's always the people who use the Bible to justify

845
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>how they treat other people that don't actually know what's

846
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible. So I had a chuggle when I

847
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 2>heard Mica say that, But then when I heard Veronica's response,

848
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, but it's one thing to be

849
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 2>like that's not the correct accuracy. It's another thing to

850
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 2>belittle someone and like treat them that way for it.

851
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I had a chuckle because I was like, that's not right,

852
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and if you claim to be a Christian, like, how

853
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>do you not know that? And then but like I

854
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>why talk to him that way? Again? Like I don't

855
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 2>understand hating someone so much that you treat them that

856
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>way and yet you still want to be in a

857
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>relationship with them. Yeah, if you hate someone that much,

858
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 2>break up with them.

859
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

860
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Which I don't know if this actually I don't. I

861
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:48.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think that this will air in this season. But

862
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>in one of the conversations I had with Veronica on

863
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the phone, she told me about mike A cheating on her,

864
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and I said to her, I was like, Veronica, plaths aside,

865
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 2>why would you stay with someone who treated you that way? Right?

866
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if it's a Plath or not. Why

867
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 2>would you stay with someone who treated you that way

868
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 2>walk away, it's not worth it.

869
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>But this episode I kind of got the feeling because

870
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 1>she curls his hair before the wedding. It's this whole

871
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 1>scene of her curling his hair, and his hair did

872
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>look amazing at the wedding, but now we know why,

873
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's a whole thing about he's like, look at me,

874
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh, you look like a porn star.

875
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 1>And you see kind of like a cute moment between

876
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>them where they seem kind of like hot for each other,

877
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 1>like for just like four seconds. And then in the car,

878
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, she says, I think we look good. We

879
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 1>give off good vibes, which I'm like, the last thing

880
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you go off is good vibes, you give off villain.

881
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>But she goes, I think we look good. He goes,

882
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 1>our hair is curled, we look good, And I go,

883
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is sort of their thing. We're both good looking.

884
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 1>We walk into her room and people are like, WHOA,

885
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 1>look at that stunning couple. Like maybe that's sort of

886
00:44:56.440 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>what they built their relationship on. And so she that's

887
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.639
<v Speaker 1>very important to her to be like, look out, we're

888
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 1>both very attractive. Because I just like trying to find

889
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 1>a reason that she likes him, you know, other than

890
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 1>he's good liking.

891
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:16.199
<v Speaker 2>My first impression of Micah and Veronica was before they

892
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>were like officially officially together, I guess from Mike's point

893
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 2>of view, from Veronica's point of view, they were together.

894
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>And this was before Ethan and I split up, and

895
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Micah told Ethan that living in la was becoming too

896
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>expensive for him and he was thinking of moving to

897
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Florida to moving with Veronica. And Ethan was like why,

898
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Like you don't really know this girl that well, like

899
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 2>why are you moving in with her? And Micah literally

900
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>told Ethan, well, if I live with her, I don't

901
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 2>have to pay rent and I'm kind of broke. And

902
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.119
<v Speaker 2>so that was my first thing where I was like, so,

903
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Mike is just using a girl. And then when I

904
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>saw the relationship, I was like, I think they're both

905
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>getting something out of this. I'm not quite sure what,

906
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but I think it might be mutual. At the end

907
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, I really did wish well for them,

908
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to wish ill on anyone else's relationship. Yeah,

909
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I really hoped that they'd be able to like figure

910
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>it out and make it work, but.

911
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Well for the timeline of this wedding situation. You and

912
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I had talked before, and you were like, kind of,

913
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>here's my interesting for my sources, and then what she's

914
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>saying kind of does in align with my sources, and

915
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess we're going to find out more next week.

916
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>But I've been saying all along ago. My understanding is

917
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>that I got from you, which is the whole thing

918
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>started because she called Kaylin a slut. All we've heard

919
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 1>the whole entire season is her bad mouthing Teagan to

920
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 1>call on Teagan a slut, So I was like, oh,

921
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if like that got twisted, But no, what

922
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 1>happened is that she saw Isaac and Caylen walking with

923
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Micah and yelled out to Michael, why are you with

924
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>that slut because she thought Kaylen was Teagan, And then

925
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Isaac didn't take kindly to his girlfriend being called a slut.

926
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the details. I knew that a producer

927
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>told me she called Kaylin a slut and that's why

928
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the boys fought. And then when I talked to Veronica

929
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and I this is the last phone conversation we ever had,

930
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>she called me after her and Mike ha broke up

931
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that day at the farm. I was like, they all

932
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>ganged up on me, which is, well, I've seen some

933
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>of the footage that the whole family like sat her

934
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>down and they did gang up on her, and like,

935
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I can admit that she was backed into a corner then, yeah.

936
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 2>But also I told her, I was like, well, I've

937
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 2>been told that you called Kaylin a slut, and she

938
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't deny it, and I was just like, Veronica, I

939
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>will never condone slut shaming a woman, like, we don't

940
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 2>insult woman that way.

941
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.519
<v Speaker 1>And she said it in the last episode. I bet

942
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>she said the word slut twelve times. She said it

943
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over. And Micah said, Veronica is

944
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 1>walking around giving out the vibes like ooh, there's a

945
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>slut in air midst and even Mike is like, I mean,

946
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and he goes and I don't understand why she hates

947
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>her so bad.

948
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when when you and I talked back before like

949
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff started coming out, I think I

950
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 2>remember telling you at the time. I could be wrong,

951
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 2>but this is just what my source said that she

952
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 2>called me, and I didn't realize it was because she

953
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 2>mistook them.

954
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 1>She mistook them because they do look exactly like people

955
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 1>are fingers crossed for tiking because it seems like they

956
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>unfollowed each other on Instagram or something, or people like

957
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>fingers crossed. The teaking came to her senses. But I

958
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, I don't know Taylan. I don't know

959
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>she's real country. But you know, I speak country, so

960
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I I interested her just fine. People were like, what

961
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>is she even saying? I was like what, And they

962
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>were like making fun of some words that she said.

963
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I go, well, that's how I say it too, so

964
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like like naked and said naked and you know, so

965
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Hoseana was at the wedding. They blurred her out, even

966
00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 1>if it was like half a mile away. It was

967
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the tiniest blur. But I mean, obviously she's blurred out,

968
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>now does she? Is she also teen? Barry? We have

969
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to assume she's because the girls are seen Barry. I'm

970
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>not sure.

971
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I know that she still talks to a lot of

972
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>her family and is close with them. I'm not sure

973
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 2>who's included in that and who's not.

974
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 1>They they talk so much about, you know, Zach's like

975
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I've met the whole family. Everybody in the fam. They

976
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>talk so much about the whole family, the whole family.

977
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I have the whole family, but they it's like she's

978
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I put up a picture at least once a week

979
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's like Hosannah, like rip because I was like,

980
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you haven't met the whole family. We haven't seen Hosannah,

981
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>but they actually doesn't exist at all.

982
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that this makes sense to me because

983
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 2>from season one, Hosannah briefly appeared in season one and

984
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.559
<v Speaker 2>then he wasn't on the show. And if the show

985
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 2>is following your family's life and there's a family member

986
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>who one lives far away, you don't see very often

987
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>and does not want to be on the show, or

988
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>is not included on the show, you wouldn't bring them up.

989
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 2>You like, respect their private life.

990
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>You let them do that.

991
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 2>So from halfway through season one starting season two, Hoseannah

992
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>was never a part of the show, and we all

993
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of became used to saying, oh, the whole family,

994
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>meaning the whole family on the show, and she knows

995
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 2>bar Away and she's the only one, so like it

996
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>just kind of morphed. And I know a lot of

997
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 2>people have talked about like that. They even forget she exists,

998
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's a natural like thing that happens over time

999
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 2>when a family member wants a private life and everyone

1000
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.079
<v Speaker 2>else is public, and you get used to addressing the

1001
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 2>public group and the other one is just kind of

1002
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.519
<v Speaker 2>like you let them live their private life. That makes

1003
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 2>sense to me.

1004
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a little bit like this is throwing it

1005
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.440
<v Speaker 1>way back to way before your time. But one of

1006
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 1>the first reality shows was The Osbourne about Ozzy Osbourne,

1007
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 1>and the sister was never on, and people are like,

1008
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>why don't they ever talk about this sisters Like she

1009
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>decided she didn't want to do it.

1010
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're not going to talk about someone who

1011
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't want a public life.

1012
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>But it just seemed like they would even be like,

1013
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>we're so happy but because a grand Banser here, my

1014
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>sister Hosannah is here, just.

1015
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Like to be. But they just, I mean, the same

1016
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>thing for sharing photos of her on social She doesn't

1017
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>want her photos shared on social she doesn't want her

1018
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.679
<v Speaker 2>four kids on social media, like, none of that. So

1019
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it just becomes a natural thing when you're really used

1020
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 2>to leaving someone out of the equation that you just

1021
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 2>start to talk about the remaining equation as the whole well.

1022
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I imagine, being that she was Hosanna in the highest

1023
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and then there was Lydia that we imagined that she

1024
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.679
<v Speaker 1>probably also turned on Kim since Kim decided to leave

1025
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.679
<v Speaker 1>this lead this who she lifestyle with Kim.

1026
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I knew her and Kim are not close like they

1027
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>used to be. They used to be joined at the hip. Yeah,

1028
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And anytime Ethan and I would try to have a

1029
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>conversation with Kim about her behavior and things going on,

1030
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 2>she always had to bring Hosanna to be her back up.

1031
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 2>And I know they're not close like that anymore, but

1032
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know the nature of all of her

1033
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:53.760
<v Speaker 2>other relationships.

1034
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Lydia and Zach were on one of the Dugger People podcasts,

1035
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and it was very interesting me the language that Lydia

1036
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 1>used around her mother, because she would say things like

1037
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I was seventeen when my mother left us, like things

1038
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 1>like that, and I was like, that's very It's interesting, right,

1039
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 1>It's like because Lydia was always the one Cinderelli in

1040
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen doing all the work. And let me tell

1041
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 1>you something else about that you just said. That sparked

1042
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>something to me about Lydia kind of being a non entity. Right.

1043
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 1>The very first episode of this season, we have the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them, the broke down Tony soprano, Ethan out

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<v Speaker 1>with his cigar and his black T shirt, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Kim with a terrible camera angle, and they're sitting in

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00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.199
<v Speaker 1>these folding chairs in the middle of the woods like

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00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>total Hillbillies and the words of Veronica, and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this happened, this happened. And Lydia, where nothing much happens

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00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 1>to had something exciting happened. I was like, what a

1051
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 1>rude thing to say about your daughter and your sister

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<v Speaker 1>like Lydia, who nothing ever happens with. Yeah, it's just

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00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>like that. I really listen. I just wish that Lydia

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<v Speaker 1>and Zach would move away and start their own life

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<v Speaker 1>and be near his family, which seems to be much

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00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>more functional, and she doesn't need to be around these

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00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 1>people that openly or calling her husband gay and making

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<v Speaker 1>fun of him and not supporting their marriage. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for her mother and the kids, for her mother to

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00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>go just like Ethan said, they just want to fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, that is your daughter, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>If Zach and Lydia want to make their relationship work,

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<v Speaker 2>I think moving away is in their best interest.

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<v Speaker 1>But they chose to move to Tallahassee to be closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Also to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Also to be on the show. Okay, so we will

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<v Speaker 1>end with this. Last time I asked you these questions,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you again with different characters. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, if you had to be on a stranded

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<v Speaker 1>issland with one person from the show, yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you the three people to choose far Okay. The

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<v Speaker 1>three choices this time were Veronica, Isaac or Ethan.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rage brothers feel like they could commit hate crime

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<v Speaker 2>any day, so I'm gonna choose Veronica.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you think? But see last time, you based

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<v Speaker 1>your your answers on who would help you get off

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00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the island, and you said, we said that Mica would

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00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.599
<v Speaker 1>be too busy doing selfies, and Lydia would be off

1080
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>singing in the forest, and somebody else. You said, Mariah

1081
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.480
<v Speaker 1>would just leave you alone. And You're like, and I

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00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>don't need their help to build a raft to get

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<v Speaker 1>off this island.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that was when my choices were very much

1085
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<v Speaker 2>based on staying alive. With three brothers, there's no guarantee,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll take Oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, they're taking you down first.

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00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, sure, and it's two against one, so I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Go with Ronica. Now I have another last for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to say Mary fuck kill because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think kill is nice, so I would say Mary

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<v Speaker 1>fuck blast into space. Okay, okay, Ken, Barry Isaac. Terrible choices,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the game, Ken, Barry Isaac, Mary fuck

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<v Speaker 1>send to space.

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<v Speaker 2>We're sending all three of them to space. I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>play that game, like, there is actually no way I

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<v Speaker 2>can answer.

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<v Speaker 1>That because it would mean you'd have to bang one

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna log off now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, tell me what's going on with you. You

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00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 1>still have your cute boyfriend Brendan. I do, yes, yes.

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00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I keep our relationship very private offline, and it works

1104
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 2>really really well for us. He's a very private person.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed to go on the show for a hot second

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<v Speaker 2>to support me and said I don't ever want to

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00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>do that again. So anyways, yeah, I keep our relationship offline.

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<v Speaker 2>That works really well for us. But we're still together.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And then you're still doing your amazing photography and

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw you were all over you were like Croatia, Italy, France.

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00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I was like, is she working? She is she partying?

1112
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<v Speaker 1>Is she what is she doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I have always loved to travel, and I do travel

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<v Speaker 2>and nationally for weddings. I had a wedding in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, I had a wedding in France. But on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, I've recently started kind of stepping into

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<v Speaker 2>the travel collaboration space, and so I collaborated with a

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<v Speaker 2>few travel companies this year. I went to six different

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<v Speaker 2>European countries on one and then I'm going to Zimbabwe

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<v Speaker 2>for a month with another.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeow.

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<v Speaker 2>It has kind of opened this door, this opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>host group trips with these companies. So I go on

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<v Speaker 2>a trip first, I kind of see what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 2>I create social media content for them, and if I

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00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>like working with them, I can host a group chip

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. So I'm currently getting ready to host

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<v Speaker 2>a group trip. It'll be for next summer in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna announce all the details in like next

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<v Speaker 2>week or so, and I'm super super excited. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>that I never really thought of as a good fit

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I didn't really realize that existed, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the more I thought about how much I love to travel,

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<v Speaker 2>how much has changed me as a person and contributed

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<v Speaker 2>to my deconstruction and evolution. Then it just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>made sense that I'd want to share that with other people.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, starting next summer, I'm hosting my first group trip.

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<v Speaker 1>That is cool to how many people can go on

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<v Speaker 1>this trip?

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<v Speaker 2>The one that we're going to announce first, I think

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00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 2>has twelve squats open.

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<v Speaker 1>Can can elderly ladies contend?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Any age?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the one that you did. I think was Croatia,

1147
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, I never thought about coming here, but

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00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody talks about how beautiful Croatia is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the one that I'm doing next year will

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<v Speaker 2>be Northern Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Slovenia. I think

1151
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<v Speaker 2>I might have Montenegro. I missed one, so it'll be

1152
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<v Speaker 2>like through the Balkans. There six different countries and if

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<v Speaker 2>that one books up, we'll open up a second one.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you're killing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm genuinely so excited for this.

1156
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.679
<v Speaker 1>And if everybody wants to find you and find out

1157
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.880
<v Speaker 1>how to find out about your travels and all that,

1158
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 1>where can they find you?

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00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>The best place is Instagram. My Instagram is Olivia Marie

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<v Speaker 2>Plath and everything that I do is linked there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any comments for the people that say

1162
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have the last name Plath?

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00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>If they want it so badly, they can go down

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<v Speaker 2>to the courthouse and change their last name to Plath. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, if I was to get divorced,

1166
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<v Speaker 1>I would keep Mary paying Gilbert because that's just my

1167
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:44.559
<v Speaker 1>name now, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I went through all of the hard work to

1169
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.519
<v Speaker 2>change all of my federal paperworkover to change everything in

1170
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 2>the system to my married name, and I am not

1171
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 2>about one to go through all the work of changing

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00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.000
<v Speaker 2>it back to This is my identity. This is my

1173
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 2>adult identity, what I've done all of my business under.

1174
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 2>It's who I've become known as. If I were to

1175
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.719
<v Speaker 2>go back to my maiden name, I'm not that person anymore.

1176
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 2>And for everyone who's like, well, then just come up

1177
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>with a completely separate name, like you have to make

1178
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:16.480
<v Speaker 2>something up why last name? Last names don't belong to men?

1179
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And anytime Ethan's like I mean not Ethan, that was

1180
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.199
<v Speaker 2>a Fordian slip. Anytime people will say, well, that's Ethan's

1181
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 2>last name. You can't keep it. I'm like, it's not

1182
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.320
<v Speaker 2>his last name, because you could go to the courthouse

1183
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 2>and get the exact same last name if you belong

1184
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to anyone. It's crazy.

1185
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just see how long it took for you

1186
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to try to get your driver's license changed. Think how

1187
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 1>long it takes to switch that stuff back. Yeah, oh

1188
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:42.360
<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm.

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00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Not about to do that.

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00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Well, everybody follow Olivia Olivia, me Marie Plath,

1191
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and also follow me at Pink Shade Pod. Don't hang up,

1192
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and thank you, Olivia. I'll always love talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me back five