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Speaker 1: Welcome to Popcorn Psychology, the podcast where we watch blockbuster

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movies and psychoanalyze them. My name is Brittany Brownfield, and

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I'm a child therapist and I'm joined by Ben Stover,

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individual therapist, Hannah Espinoza, marriage and family therapists. We're all

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licensed clinical professional counselors also known as therapists, who practice

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out of Chicago. Even though we are licensed mental health professionals,

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this podcast is purely for entertainment purposes and to fulfill

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our love of dissecting pop culture and all forms.

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Speaker 2: Please remember that, even though we are all licensed therapists,

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we aren't your therapist.

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Speaker 1: If you are struggling with mental health symptoms, please find

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a local mental health provider.

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Speaker 2: My lords, my ladies, and everybody else here not sitting

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on a cushion today, Today you find yourselves equals.

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Speaker 3: For you are all equally blessed. For I have the pride,

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the privilege, nay.

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Speaker 2: The pleasure of introducing to you a night's Tale, which

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we are doing today.

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Speaker 1: Yay.

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Speaker 2: So today we're going to be covering the two thousand

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and one ridiculous popcorn movie that holds a special place

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in all.

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Speaker 3: Of our hearts.

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Speaker 2: A Night's Tale, we're going to be covering self determination,

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purpose values, ego, dreams, chosen family, and then for treatment

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today we're going to do something a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: And rather than.

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Speaker 2: Treat these characters, because really they're all a little too

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flat to offer anything of substantive value, today, we're going

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to talk about self care for ourselves and you, our

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lovely audience. So let's dive into A Night's Tale.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ben, what is an nights Tale about?

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Speaker 2: It's a movie about rock and roll and jousting and

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sex in that order.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it does start with queens, so possibly, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But A Knight's Tale is absolutely not a Knight

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of the Seven Kingdom's exact plot, but done with rock

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music and more two thousand's rom com energy. So what

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happens in A Knight's Tale is that there is a

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group of young squires who mid tournament realized that their

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knight died and that they're going to be super fucked

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if they don't finish the tournament. And William, the most

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athletic of the squires played by Heath Ledger, decides, well,

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I could probably get through this tournament. I've jousted lot

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with Sir hector, and so he decides to do that,

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and they survive the tournament. Then they decide, you know what,

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we could probably keep doing this. We could probably just

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go to a bunch of tournaments and win a bunch

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of money in front that were actual royalty or knights.

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And then, of course, the super handsome Keith Ledger falls

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in love with the super attractive princess because.

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Speaker 1: Duh, Lady Jocelyn.

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Speaker 2: Lady Jocelyn is played by Shannon Sossamon. Yeah, the itch

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girl of two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, every cool girl for sure.

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Speaker 2: And then throughout this film, of course, he starts doing

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well and a douche noble lord takes notice and offense

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at being beaten by him, a hedge knight as it were,

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and exposes him. So we go through this journey of

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watching William rise from nothing to show his honor and

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character and of course encounter a lord who's a total

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ass and douche. And then, of course, throughout the course

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of this movie, he happened to be jousting with a

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real prince who sees his quality and later nights him

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at the end, granting him the status that he'd always

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dreamt of. Showing us that if you follow your dreams

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and just believe and lie well enough for long enough,

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you can be anything you want, including.

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Speaker 3: The President of the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, And I guess we should probably say up

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top that we probably will be talking about an Eye

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of the Seven Kingdoms here and there because it is

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like almost like a bead for beads of our story.

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It's impossible not to, I feel like, and so it's

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the same story. So spoilers. If you haven't watched an

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Eye of the Seven Kingdoms and you have watched A

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Night's Tale, is that we might mention things about that

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show and spoil it if you're planning to watch it

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and you haven't got into it yet.

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Speaker 2: Also, if you've seen a Night's Tale and haven't seen

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the Night or a Night of Seven Kingdoms, more or

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less you have seen a Night of the Seven Kingdoms, I.

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Speaker 1: Say, hangs is better if you like a Knight's Tale

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and you wish it was more depressed seven Kingdoms, and

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Speaker 3: A little more psychologically relevant.

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Speaker 1: Yes, something we've brought up. I don't know we actually

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that this the story that I had Seven Kingdoms is

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based on the Duncan Egg stories came out like two

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or three years before this movie A Night's Tale. And

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I do wonder how George R. Martin Feldt about this.

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like these motherfuckers who wrote this and read my story

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and did it with Heath Ledger like this.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee he felt that. Didn't you tell me? Wasn't

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you who said that? There was one thing they weren't

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allowed to say in the writer's room.

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Speaker 1: In the writer's room of the show and Knights of

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the Kingdoms are not allowed to bring up A Night's

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Tale as a point of reference because because of the

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similarities between the two stories, even though and then I

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because of having Kingdoms technically came first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it inspired this. I mean their knight

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dies by a tree. Dunks knight dies by a tree.

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They have to go to a tournament and get new armor.

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William has to go to a tournament and get new armor.

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The armor comes from a girl, the shield comes from

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a girl.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's way too many.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, is the one who ultimately grants him the

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status a prince.

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Speaker 4: Saves his ass, like it's yeah, literally, it's more it's

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more outrageous watching it today, the one to one comparison

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than I remembered.

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Speaker 1: I remember just thinking, no, we got the same general premise.

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A squire takes up his you know, knight's stuff after

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the night dies and then kind of tries to rise up.

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And then I was watching and I was like, damn,

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like be even like the thing that really clinched it

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is what I texted you all, which is even the

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fact that like an heir to the throne is what

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saves him in the end, that which literally both the

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things is kind of wild. That's where I would if

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I was George, I would be like, oh, come on.

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Once I got to that part, I'd be like, well,

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now it's undeniable that you're ripping me out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wonder if he sued. I wonder just quietly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd have to haven't looked into that.

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Speaker 2: There was a quiet payment of yeah, we did it.

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But so let's all just keep making money and we can.

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Speaker 1: Jump into it. So the main character, as you said,

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as well, also goes by Sir Alric when he's pretending

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to be a knight. Got to say it von Lichtenstein.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but you gotta know, sir.

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Speaker 1: That place he's it is ten pm on a Sunday.

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I shan't be screaming agreed, agreed, Gon wake up your

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own kids, dude, But no, like so we meet. So

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or to keep in mind right away when we talk

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about Will is the fact that he is someone that

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was sent away as a child by his father to

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be a squire and in essence work on rising above

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his station as much as you can in the position

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of lower class that he was in as a child,

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the class that he was born into as a child. Yeah,

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and so he is, right from the jump instilled by

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his father this value of like you were saying, self determination,

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that you can change your circumstances. You can, what do

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they say, change your stars? And that is a through

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line obviously, because right in the beginning of the movie

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when the Night dies, who they seem to not give

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a shit about with the way that they treat him,

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is that it's very quickly between oh, we haven't eaten

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three days. So like survival wise, we have to compete

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in this tournament. Okay, great, we got this gold feather,

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we can sell it for money, and it goes very

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quickly with Will from Great, we got our basic needs met.

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We can keep on keeping on to Oh but actually

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we can change our stars. We could use this money.

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We can invest this money to actually work on rising

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above our stations. So he very quickly integrates this into

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the value he's been holding on to, which is I

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want to do better than my circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the other two seem to be largely content, going, no,

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we're figuring stuff out, We're making it. This is where

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we fit in the world and what we do, and

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they resist Will a little bit at his insistence that

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they can do this, like yeat, Nope, No, I'm gonna

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I'm gonna take my money and eat and go home.

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Speaker 1: Well, both those characters seem pretty content in their I

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guess Station put it that way. I mean, obviously they're

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not content in not getting their basic needs met because

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of course, because when the movie opens, they haven't eaten

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in three days, which is a lot. But they don't

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seem to be invested in the idea They don't have

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any ego in this or dreams or aspirations in the

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sense of being more than what they are, even when

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Will starts to get popular, become a superstar if you will.

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the movie, is there's no competitiveness between them, like, there's

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no infighting around. Well, I want also be a cool

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night too. It's they do seem contented to be the

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sidekick in his story in a way that I don't

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think is bad. It's probably really healthy. I feel like

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it's just that they don't seem to be bothered by

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the fact that they are comfortable in their station, just

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like you're saying, like, I feel like they don't seem

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to be really bothered by that and kind of are

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happy just have their basic needs met and be good.

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Speaker 2: I think the only incidence of infighting that we really

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see is when they're arguing on the road before they

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meet Chaucer about who's turning to stride the horse. Everything else,

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they seem to be quite copesetic understanding it. I mean, okay,

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look at us. Of the three of us, who's going

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to be able to enter a ring and fight? It

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will the end, And of course it's also from the

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early two thousands where writing is very simple and the

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plot just needs to move guys.

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Speaker 3: So it's a non complicated, simple film.

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Speaker 2: But yep, they seem very content, going like, you know what,

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this is the most likely way we pull this off.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right in that when they do have conflict,

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it is more over survival, right, like I want us

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to run and you want to stay. I want to

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get some rest on the horse and you want me

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to keep fucking walking. I want to go get food

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with my I want to get five floorings worth of food,

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and you're saying, no, we should invest in somewhere else,

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which I think is just two different ways of dealing

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with their lives because they're all in the same place

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in terms of their station. And I think there are

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a lot of people who I totally because I think

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I'm more like this than like Will. I think you're

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the Will of our group, Ben, and I don't know

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who's who in terms of me and Hannah with Roland

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and Wat. You know that Hannah is what I would

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say I was wa and she's rolland number one fuckable

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to you And also yeah, I get it, Yeah, I

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mean I'm not mad about it because I think Will

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is exhausting in this way, which is how I knew

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that I'm not him.

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Speaker 3: And I am.

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Speaker 1: I think you are aspirational in that way. And I mean,

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how many times of Hanna and I said, my biggest goal,

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maybe my biggest goal in this life is to find contentment.

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I don't know what that means exactly, and so that

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different ways of dealing with their life circumstances, Like I

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peace in this life, because being so impoverished is such

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an unpeaceful way to live, obviously, and this is back when.

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This is back when you could be so impoverished that

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you would give your child away. As we see with

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gave him away to hope that he could rise above.

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Speaker 2: It, and not just gave him away, but put him

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in indentured servitude exactly. And he's, you know, a term

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of seven years to learn a trade, to be able

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to be able to make a chance to live, which

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his father knew he couldn't give him or feed him,

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it seems like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so I can understand as a survival reaction, it's

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almost a trauma response being in a place like watt

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and Rolling where you're just trying to be comfortable secure.

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own reaction, which is I'm trying to be so comfortable

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so above where I'm from, and that'll help me feel safe,

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or that'll help me feel something internally. And I think

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feeling like that will make his father proud, because I

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feel like, in a lot of ways, that's what In

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a lot of ways, I think that's why we see

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him as a little boy, and we see him really

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believing what his father says and really supporting him, and

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I feel like that's a part of it. And I

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feel like versus Roland and wa who, it does seem

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like we're also taken from their families and given around

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the same age as well. Even though I think Will

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was a fart had been away from home for longer

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than them. When we see them all young, it seems

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like they're all around the same age, So I would

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assume that they all came we're all boys who were

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given up by their families for one reason or another.

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I don't know if that's what you guys think, but

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that's kind of what I was thinking, which just makes

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me really think about how much more intense was the

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poverty that maybe Wat and Roland experienced versus William who

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had a really loving father who you know what I mean, Like,

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I just I'm just curious about that part.

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Speaker 2: It looked to me like Watt was closer in age,

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but Roland might have been maybe five to seven years

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older when they were growing up. But yeah, I think

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your point about them all probably having the same story

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is one hundred percent on. It's quite clear that they

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had a camaraderie and a connection to each other through

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having a similar story and experience, And those three were tight.

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They were very loving with each other in their own way.

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I mean, as three you know, grown men, as men

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tend to be with each other. That's that's what it

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looks like. That's what a family of men together would

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be like. They're like that, they're like brothers, like they'll

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beat the shit out of each other, but also they

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do respect and love each.

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Speaker 3: Other and are trying to do the best things they can.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think and I think it seems like

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probably Watt may have been coming from a hungrier place

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because he seems to value food a lot, whereas Roland

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seems to value family. So I wonder if Watt was

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a straight orphan and he seems connected to like finding

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that he mentioned kind of having a girlfriend or somebody

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who wanted to go back to.

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Speaker 3: But who is a cook? Are you talking?

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Speaker 1: He's a cook? Like those two things I think are

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still married in his mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's clearly someone who grow up without food and

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he's that's that's become his central attachment point or its

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rolling seems to value just connection home in England.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you're right, like when they're on the

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boat going back, they all mentioned how long it's been

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since they were home quote unquote, well whatever they consider

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home to be London. Oh sorry, my brain is like

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low end sure gy today and I think we see

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that's okay, Brittany, don't worry about it, girl, cause to

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be uh completely honest with everybody, carry really Britney really

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carries us a lot of the time, y'all. So I

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can add, you're the rolling of the group, You're the

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one who's pulling, You're the one sewing, and the pieces yes,

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but I was just thinking about how when you know,

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that's a part of how I think about these three

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young men and how their narratives started about the world

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and about themselves. And I feel like Williams seems to

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have a real sense of determination, a real sense of

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this is what I want, And I feel like Roland

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and Wat it's very much more about basic need and

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less about having something. And I think it just shows

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where they all came from and what their values are.

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And even though their values are different, they do seem

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to be cohesive anyway, because I think, like Ben said,

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they do feel like brothers and it does connecte like

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you guys are saying that there might be differences in

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their stories before they became squires, before they became indentured servants,

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because as we're saying, something that will always can revisit

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as a grounding mantra is the you can change your stars,

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which you heard from his dad, and he's still very

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connected to that part of his identity, and how it

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does seem to give him a sense of self that

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maybe the other two characters have because maybe they were

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more roughing it when they were younger. Like we've talked

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about a lot. When you are in circumstances where you

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are struggling to get your basic needs met, you're not

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contemplating anything that's close to self actualization. Who gives a shit,

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you know what I mean? Like when you're trying to

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just get food and shelter and close, you're not you know,

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dreaming about you know what you're gonna be when you

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grow up or some shit, you know what I mean,

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And start the comparisons now. I think like in Nine

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of Seven Kingdoms, Dunk is a good representation of that

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because he is a true like Dick and was Dickenzian.

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He's a true like Dickenzian orphan where he is in

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a gang robbing, stealing. His life is really rough, like

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he gets away out from this. But when we see

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him in that story in the beginning, he's sad because

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his you know, night dies, but he's not really thinking

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about anything. He's not aspirational the way he will is.

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He's truly thinking of it. He stays with the messaging

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of I'll just pretend to keep doing this well one

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because I've invested so much time. But also I don't know,

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maybe I'll be a cop, you know, he said, I'll

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maybe I'll be part of the Night's guard. Maybe I'll

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just wander that way. Maybe also all the horses, because

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I think he still has that mindset of I'm just

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trying to get from this place to that place in

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one piece, with enough food in my belly. I'm not

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worried about being bigger than I am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dunk is also pretty caught up in trying

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to get everybody else to feel about I forgot his.

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Speaker 1: Night's name, but oh Alan Pennytree.

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Speaker 2: Sir penny Tree the same way. He doesn't like to

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try to get everybody to remember him and feel like, Sir,

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he fought for you. He fought for you. Doesn't that

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mean something? Don't you understand? Because he's coming up from

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some humble origins, he doesn't understand the world that he's in.

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I think Will full understands the world he's in, but

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that Duncan Roland are a little closer in mentality, Like

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Roland's pretty grounded.

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Speaker 1: Roland understands he feels more grown up, Like he just

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feels more, yeah, just more grounded and grown up. He

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just feels like he gets it more. And he's just

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like okay, like kind of just like accepting of like, okay, like,

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let's yeah, we can try this.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, right, hardly like someone that led Robert's rebellion

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rebellion and.

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Speaker 1: I was waiting for this to come up. I was

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waiting for you to make the connections of Game and

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Thrones in that way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, given that we've already been making these connections.

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Speaker 1: I mean Robert was Robert Rathian for sure was, and

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his sexy ancestor, Sir Lionel Brathy.

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Speaker 3: I figured that dude to be your jam weird.

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Speaker 1: He's not weird. He's a hot miss hot, miserable, yep,

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he's he's kind of like, he's kind of right, You're

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you're right, you're right, you're.

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Speaker 2: Right, scuzzy happy, he's he's he's pure.

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Speaker 3: Let's just welcome the hedonism and just live in it.

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And anyway.

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Speaker 2: But I think looking at the characters in this world,

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I think Will for sure is very attached to this

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idea of the messaging his father put in him. Where

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the other two I'm a little more grounded in the world.

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I think in terms of like, uh, survival, what is

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the most grounded in that? I just want to eat man.

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Roland seems to get the world.

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Speaker 1: And I am always hungry, y'all all the time.

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Speaker 2: Right, always hungry. I just just like good food more times.

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Speaker 3: What is like? You know, I wouldn't be opposed to getting.

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Speaker 1: Fed and getting some oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where he's at. He's got just survival

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basic needs, right, Yeah. And Roland is more about his connection.

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He cares more about like his connection to England. I

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kind of got the subtext from him that he probably

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has a wife at home and maybe even kids.

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking that was true about his story, and

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then kept waiting for that to be mentioned, and then

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it didn't, and I was like, did I make that up?

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Speaker 3: He talks I think he talks about somebody at home.

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Speaker 1: I think he just feels like a dad, y'all right,

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I think that's the truth. He feels like a dad.

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Do you want to just say a little tiny thing

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right here about how this was a movie for me.

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So I was eighteen when this movie came out, and

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this was a movie where the first time that I

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can recall in this moment was that the second most

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important female person, well besides the what are they called blacksmith?

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Besides the blacksmith, was as a active and as smart

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as the lead, the best friend. Yeah, of the.

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Speaker 2: Character, Yeah, Christiana. I don't know if they said that

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in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they did, but I just remember thinking that.

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And also that they were both brown women. Yeah, they

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look brown to me when I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: Once Hawaiian, and like, yeah, it's something else. She sees

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an amalgamation. It's a very mixed background. And uh, the

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Christiana is Brazilian, so yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so again. And also the way so well,

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I know we'll get to her, but also the way

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that she presented herself, the way that she reacted to

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the world also was very like empowering for an eighteen

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year woman. Yeah, and just the way she fucking wrote

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everybody off it was incredible anyway, kind of shocking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember where I was going.

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Speaker 2: I just I think, yeah, we see Williams kind of

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got his head in the clouds a little bit, was

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where I was going. Whereas Roland seems really grounded. He's

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sure of who he is and what he's doing, what

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is trying to survive and live. Rolands figured out like,

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this is my profession. I do this for money. If

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I can't make money doing this, I'm going home. And

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doing something else to make money, whereas what it's like,

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I'll take my food right now and fuck you and

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pain and I thoughts of pain, and.

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Speaker 1: As we're talking about it too, it makes me wonder

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if Will also benefits maybe from being the youngest of

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the three, like maybe he was looked out for more

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by Roland and Watt, and so sometimes when you have

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those older siblings looking out for you, it also gives you,

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as the younger sibling, more ability to be dreamy, to

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be an idealist, because I think that's what I first

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wrote in my notes is sort of realist versus idealists.

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And how Will is the one who is, you know,

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dreamy and the other two just aren't. And I wonder

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if that's because they maybe Will can be dreamy because

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the other two aren't dreamy. Yeah, yeah, And I hope

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that Will appreciates them for that.

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Speaker 3: You know what I like about this movie is I

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think he does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he does right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because all of us are probably Rolands and

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going like stop fucking around, you're welcome. But I think

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Well very much does appreciate them for that, And it does,

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I think create safety and the ability to experiment in him,

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whereas they clearly didn't have that. Roland was the oldest

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squire so probably took the brunt of the beatings, but

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only when he deserved it.

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Speaker 1: Classic Dunk reference.

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Speaker 2: Right, But before we dive further into this, take a

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quick break.

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Speaker 3: And we're back.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about looking at and we kind of

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touched on it, but looking at how we see self

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determination kind of drive this story when we described that

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as a psychological concept that we want to see in clients,

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what are we talking about?

475
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: Self actualization? That's part of it, right, resilience, ego I'm

476
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,920
guessing now, I mean, is there a young hand definition

477
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,480
of this word?

478
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,599
Speaker 3: Not that I know.

479
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you're better at knowing the academic literal

480
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,400
meanings of some of these are like the academic meanings

481
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,559
of these words instead of how I know them, which

482
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,119
is how they vibe.

483
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: I think the vibe is good enough with this movie,

484
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,119
Like I think this movie is all about vibes and

485
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,640
not about clinical anything. Got tons of vibes, very good

486
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,680
at vibes. But I think self determination, Yeah, all those

487
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,279
things you are saying, like in the Freudian sense of ego, yes,

488
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:07,960
like the stable connected in the moment sense of self

489
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:12,240
that's driving this without Oh my god, the three characters

490
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:13,400
are Idigo and super Ego.

491
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,839
Speaker 1: Oh, they are Idigo and super Ego.

492
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: They sure as are.

493
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,839
Speaker 2: Pop Freud Pop Freud, go ahead no so Inego and super.

494
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Ego are Freud's basic divisions of the psyche.

495
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it represents the reptilian drive driven sense of

496
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,960
self that wants to eat and.

497
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:43,039
Speaker 1: Fight and fund and has emotional regulation is.

498
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah and is aka watt Yes.

499
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: And Ego is like the clear, like defined sense of

500
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,960
self that sits in the middle that can kind of

501
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,119
operate and regulate both sides of things aka.

502
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,119
Speaker 3: Will Where is super Ego.

503
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: Is more or less your sense of conscious adherence to rules,

504
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,400
connection to the larger society at a whole aka Roland.

505
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very very true.

506
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: I hadn't realized that until we just now, But that's

507
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,759
one hundred percent what they are.

508
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And I was thinking the other thing. And

509
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,160
even though we haven't really talked about Chaucer so much

510
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,160
as a character, I feel like we also have a

511
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,319
really good example of someone of like all ego and

512
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:27,640
somebody who has who will walk naked on the street

513
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,079
because he has lost all of his money. Yeah, so

514
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:33,319
I feel like it's the opposites. We have two extremes

515
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:34,680
of this experience.

516
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,119
Speaker 3: Did you say walk he's trudging to trudge?

517
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,079
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot it was fucking trudging.

518
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,519
Speaker 2: You're right, but your point, your point is, your point,

519
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,079
is point is you know it's.

520
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,559
Speaker 1: I totally get it.

521
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,559
Speaker 2: He defines it for us. But yes, yeah, he is.

522
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,519
He is so firmly grounded in his ego, in knowing

523
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,839
who he is, and he has no shame about it.

524
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:05,519
He's very, very like in between ego and it, like

525
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640
he struggles with it, but he just embraces it.

526
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: What Chuster lacks is super ego.

527
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,839
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.

528
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:14,799
Speaker 3: He knows who he is.

529
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:16,839
Speaker 2: He's in the moment, he's doing things, he's doing things

530
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,440
that feel good. He understands the world. But yeah, is

531
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
it right or wrong? I don't give a shit. I

532
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:28,839
think yeah. But understanding self determination is at least, you know,

533
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,559
like we're talking about here. You want to see someone

534
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,559
driven to get from where they are to self actualization

535
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,039
and to feel like that's something they have to do

536
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,759
for them, not for the world, Like I'm going to

537
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:43,720
do this because it's who I am and what I

538
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,799
need to do for me. That's more or less what

539
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:50,119
the vibe of it means. I don't think any of

540
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,839
us need to get a dictionary out and invite no. Well,

541
00:30:51,839 --> 00:31:01,039
according to this there nah not necessary. The clinical concept

542
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,039
and use of it is understanding. You want to see

543
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,440
in a client that they have a clear sense of

544
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,839
where they are going and why, as a mark of

545
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,119
psychological health.

546
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: And I think.

547
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: When you look at Will, he really sees a moment,

548
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,599
a glimpse to rise above station. And the only way

549
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,079
he can do it is being so sure and bringing

550
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,799
everybody else along, like, hey, we all got to do

551
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,359
this together, because there ain't no Knight's out here. They

552
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:36,000
got squires, and if we all play our roles. I'm

553
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
the best with sword. I just now I can learn

554
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
to joist. I'm not good at it. They're like, have

555
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:45,839
you ever hit anything? Nope, but we can learn. I

556
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,960
think we see this sense of humility and understanding of

557
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,799
where he is. But also the chance that exists by

558
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,119
this opportunity is never ever wants gonna come again? What

559
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,319
ever is this chance to be a night gonna come

560
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,400
again for him or any of them to be treated

561
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,599
the way Will will treat them which is, yeah, this

562
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,559
is for show, but we're all gonna splut the money.

563
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,599
That deal is never ever going to exist, and all

564
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,119
of them kind of lock into that and that self determination.

565
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,960
Will shows I'm going to rise above my station and

566
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,559
going to change my stars. And I think Will hasn't

567
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,839
gone home like the other ones have for so long

568
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,279
because he hasn't made something of himself yet, and he

569
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,799
wants to show his dad that he did in fact

570
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680
change his stars instead of stayed in the same place

571
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,960
he was when he left when he was eight. So

572
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,000
that's what I think self determination means when I think

573
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,279
about it.

574
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: Klinic clean with the clients, what about you guys?

575
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,279
Speaker 1: Well, I would also say with Will, what's different about

576
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:57,400
being cocky, arrogant, egocentric and then not so nice way

577
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,000
we can talk about it versus what we actually say.

578
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,440
See with Will, especially at the onset of the movie,

579
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,039
is when he's like, Hey, can we invest this other

580
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:14,480
money into getting refitted and resources for me to maybe

581
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,799
become a knight. That's also followed up with a classic

582
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,880
montage of him training like he's getting his ass whooped.

583
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,839
He is really working at it, right. It's not just

584
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,440
I think I can pull it off. Let's go get

585
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,759
me some swag gear, and I'm just going to show

586
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,920
up with this tournament like an asshole and just assume

587
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,759
I can pull it off because I'm the coolest and

588
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,839
I know what's up. So I do also think what

589
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
makes him feel more clinically grounded, like if I was

590
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,240
looking at him as a client, is that he is

591
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,839
attaching actions and choices with his aspirations and it's coming

592
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,480
from a place in him as well. Of I think,

593
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:59,400
if I work hard enough, I can do it, versus

594
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,279
it should be given to me or it should just

595
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,839
come upon me because I'm entitled to it. So I

596
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,440
think that also is a huge component of self determination

597
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,039
when I work with clients. Is like you were saying,

598
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,960
like what are you wanting? Like where you going and

599
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,719
how are you getting there? I think it's also like

600
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,239
where is that coming from as well? Is it coming

601
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,840
from an internal place that it's attached to your choices

602
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480
and how you live your life, or is it coming

603
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,280
from outside of you? And this maybe magical idea that

604
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,639
if I get the thing, kind of like putting the

605
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
horse before the cart. If I get the thing, then

606
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,199
the strengths of that thing will follow versus I will

607
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,920
embody the strengths and the actions, and then the the

608
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,000
reward of it will come.

609
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,119
Speaker 2: Just very much Count Adamar versus William good point.

610
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: Good point. Adamar does think, I mean, the way he

611
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,719
talks about everything, especially Jocelyn, is like I deserve that

612
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:01,679
and I'm going to get it, which is also why

613
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,920
he struggles with someone like will who it challenges his

614
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
idea that if you just really work hard, you can

615
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,760
be as good as me. Fuck you, you know. Self

616
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,440
distorination flies in the face of the I mean, I'm

617
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,360
not going to start talking about the whole inherited wealth

618
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,599
system of England because that's so different from America. It's

619
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:25,360
like so different. But I can see that challenging too

620
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,639
because for those class instance, it'd be really challenging too,

621
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,639
because for those class systems to exist, it has to

622
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,800
come from this innate belief that I deserve to be

623
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,000
up here and you deserve to be down there, and

624
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:45,079
those things can't mix in touch. And so the bugaboo

625
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,159
for someone like Adamir is that his name.

626
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Adam Ar Adamar I assume as Belgian. Maybe I don't know,

627
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,280
is something English?

628
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:02,119
Speaker 1: Is that not only is Will like coming for him

629
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,400
from like a one v one competitive place. But also

630
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,719
you're undermining this belief system that allows me to act

631
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,639
like a monster, where I take what I want, I pillage,

632
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,239
I probably sexually assault. I do all these things because

633
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,440
I am inherently better and allowed to. Yeah, and so

634
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,000
I got to take you down. You've been weighed, you've

635
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,079
been measured, you have found wanting.

636
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:40,679
Speaker 3: And apparently Ada maris French. We wie how to tell you?

637
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:41,639
You've watched you.

638
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,639
Speaker 1: Tell Hannah how to do it because I am French. Yeah,

639
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,480
she is allowed to do it because she is French.

640
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: That is that is very true, and I think it's

641
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,840
you know, it's also one of those sciences that how

642
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,400
do you tell that someone's mileending and watched all that

643
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,000
growing up?

644
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we.

645
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: We how do you how do you say omits or

646
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,360
peppi lapiew? You know? That was also a big cultural touchdown, truly, truly,

647
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:16,000
when I think about self determination with clients and where

648
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:17,400
are you and how are you going to get there?

649
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,519
What is that what you said?

650
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much?

651
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, It really makes me think of the whole

652
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,199
idea that we've talked about in the podcast. A lot

653
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,960
of times, which is meeting and client where they are

654
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,559
versus where we think they should start.

655
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,039
Speaker 3: Which is a big difference.

656
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:41,039
Speaker 1: Right, It's a big difference, and I feel like it

657
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:45,960
makes me think about how ever, since i've kind of

658
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,239
not that I haven't always done this, but you know,

659
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,960
I was a baby therapist once. I didn't know what the

660
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
fuck I was doing, and so at this time of

661
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,239
being in the field for ten years, it's just something

662
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:03,719
that makes the therapeutic relationship start from a place of

663
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,360
focus directly on the client versus you need to be

664
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,760
doing all these things because you're having all of these symptoms, right,

665
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,719
and not get allowing them to find something that they

666
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,840
can be determined about and go with that so we

667
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,400
can work on that and then gain momentum towards the

668
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,679
other things that maybe they want in their life too.

669
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:33,559
So I feel like Will seems very much like he

670
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,360
just has to push through, like I know I can

671
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,360
do it. I have it in me, I have the confidence.

672
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,440
I just have to keep going. And I think that

673
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,960
makes a lot of sense based on what we know

674
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:48,800
about him, right. So, so yeah, so not anything else

675
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,360
is said about that.

676
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,679
Speaker 2: I think these are all really good points and reads

677
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400
on Will and what we've got going on here. He's

678
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,360
so clear on what his purpose is and he's got

679
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:09,079
that like it's almost like you can hear the lyrics

680
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:11,480
of Hamilton apply to him, like he's not thrown away

681
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,800
his shot. And if Will could write, he'd be writing

682
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,559
like he's running out of time because he is.

683
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree, And.

684
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: I think I'm won't thinking that because my wife and

685
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,320
I saw that like a month ago again and it's

686
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,360
still fucking exquisite. But AnyWho, I feel like there's some

687
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,320
common threads between characters like that who are driven to

688
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,639
riot beyond their station no matter what. And I think

689
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,559
Will is trying to bring others along with him. He's

690
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,039
always got this clear sense of purpose, but unlike Adamar,

691
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,159
he's got a sense of values that we're doing this together.

692
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,679
This is all of us, and everybody that joins forces

693
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:02,960
with him is an equal footing. None of them make

694
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:07,800
decisions alone, except for when at the end Will decides

695
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,719
that they're gonna go ahead and go and get arrested,

696
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,639
which even Joscelyn is like, Bro, they can in fact

697
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:22,400
braveheart your ass. Yeah, and they will because you embarrassed

698
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,119
them by beating them and being from lower station and rising.

699
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: Above where you should have been. That's exactly what they'll do.

700
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like Shannon Sassamon carried that energy very well,

701
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,639
like Will, they can and they will break you. They'll

702
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,800
take that pride from you. They'll take that sense of self.

703
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,679
And there's a word that he used that I'm not forgetting.

704
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:41,079
Speaker 3: Who remember?

705
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember what he was saying, because I

706
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,199
feel like it's super valuable here and now my brain

707
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:45,559
is gone.

708
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: But true pride, Yeah, it's about pride. It's it's about

709
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,079
pride and that they can never that's something and Will

710
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,800
says it's something they can never take away.

711
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: From me, and that is false.

712
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,119
Speaker 1: And old girl also doesn't what the fuck she's talking about,

713
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,880
because when she says, when he says, so, you're gonna

714
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,840
live with me in a hovel, and she's like, yes,

715
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,840
I don't care, we'll live with the pigs. I don't care.

716
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,639
And I'm like, girl, you don't know what you're talking about.

717
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,880
I think she does, and she doesn't because you're right

718
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,000
with it. She doesn't know what it's like to be poor,

719
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,960
and I think she does know what it's like to

720
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,480
be humiliated because she's a woman, and that will always

721
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:32,960
make you somewhat of a disenfranchised citizen of the world. Absolutely,

722
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,760
and even in her position of great wealth, because she's

723
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,199
about to get sold to that monster and she knows that,

724
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,960
and I can and so I can give her some

725
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,320
space there, which is she's maybe doing because we see

726
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,039
her over the movie as a very self actualized person herself.

727
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and yeah, she's very princess Leah.

728
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,559
Speaker 1: She's doing that cross. I wonder if she's doing more

729
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:58,400
of like a risk cost risk benefit analysis with her

730
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,320
self of like would I rather go live with the

731
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,119
pigs than live with a monster who will hurt me

732
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,880
maybe every day for the rest of my life. And

733
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,840
so then maybe there is a part of her that's like,

734
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,079
I might know more than you think, bro, And they say,

735
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,400
if they can't take your pride from you, because I

736
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,000
know what it's like to be a woman in this

737
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,920
world where you get humiliated all the time.

738
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,199
Speaker 2: I think Justin's a great example of being very clear

739
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,840
of what she wants to Like, her ego is very strong,

740
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:38,239
she's very set. Her character does not change much throughout

741
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,840
the film, but in a good way. She's not like

742
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,199
a delicate little save me flower. She's like, if you

743
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,800
want to beut me, you better earn it. You better

744
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,760
prove to me that you're not a fucking moron jock

745
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,800
scratcher like the rest of these guys. And I because

746
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,960
I don't want that. I know, peasants get to marry

747
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,039
for love, royalty, doesn't he noble don't know.

748
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: How much presents married for love in the way that

749
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,280
she's thinking. But also, I think that's the movie. Well yeah,

750
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,639
I mean she's she says that. Yeah, I know, I

751
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:11,639
mean she says that, But I mean, like, I think

752
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:17,039
that's the movie, the romanticy of the movie. Like, of course,

753
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:21,320
du but this is sparking another idea for me. But

754
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
I think before I jump into it, let's take a

755
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,880
break here. So one thing you had brought up that

756
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,320
sparked an idea in me that I wanted to follow

757
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,599
up with is that I do think Will starts to

758
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,280
get pulled into this world right like his his ego,

759
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,920
and I mean that in a more cocky, arrogant, misled

760
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,760
way does start to get a hold of him pretty quickly. Actually,

761
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,360
like when he says, I'm not doing the sword anymore

762
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:54,119
because basically it's not as street cred as the Jousts.

763
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,639
Speaker 3: Right, and they're like, dude, that's what you're best at.

764
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: And that's how we get fucking money and we eat asshole.

765
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,039
And what you said before about I think he's got

766
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,360
these people in his life, this family that we're gonna

767
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,000
keep talking about, is that is what keeps bringing him

768
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,519
back in these moments when he almost gets caught up

769
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,880
in the bullshit, when he's like, I don't want the

770
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,760
I just wanted Gallence, I don't want to the sword fight,

771
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,880
and then the thing happens with Chaucer where they're like,

772
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,880
we're gonna fucking hurt him, maybe worse if you don't

773
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,639
pay up for him, and then he wins the sword

774
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,039
part of it, right, And so I think he has

775
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,239
these moments where he really does start to get caught

776
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,840
up in the values of this world that he's entering,

777
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,679
this world of knights and uppity bullshitters and people like

778
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,400
what's his name again, Aunt.

779
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: And Awar, yes, Cassie and and or yes, what's his

780
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,760
name Count Adam mar Can?

781
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,599
Speaker 1: I just call him Rufus so well, the actor's name Ruthus, Okay,

782
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,800
he just no, sorry Rufus for you know, aligning you

783
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,880
so crusted with his character. But I think he does

784
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,920
start to get pulled into that world very quickly because

785
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,559
he's still young and impressionable. He's probably nineteen or twenty.

786
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:15,159
He hasn't had anything that nice in this world, and

787
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,800
so I can also respect, like you, you're thinking of

788
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,519
this as like a pure like sports movie, how you

789
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,599
become like the hot shot. You get caught up in

790
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:26,079
this life. You're going to banquets, you're talking to hot babes,

791
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,199
You're getting all this attention. It would be so easy

792
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,920
to be seduced by that. And I think the only

793
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000
thing that keeps him from that happening is his loyalty

794
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:38,199
and his values when it comes to his family, his companions.

795
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,480
Like I said, he gets pulled back from it when

796
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,119
Chaucer needs him, and I think there's all these other

797
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,719
moments when they just check him, they're like, that's dumb.

798
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:48,840
And also the moment when he really gets starts to

799
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,199
get too big for his Birches, and Jocelyn says, I

800
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,280
will be with you if you lose, like in that moment.

801
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,480
What she's saying is you need to demonstrate an ego

802
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:00,519
death to me. If I know that you're really about it,

803
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,920
And an ego death is exactly how it sounds, in

804
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,199
my opinion, which is where you have to really sit

805
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,480
in humility. You have to, And it happens a lot

806
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,280
when I do. I bring up ego death a lot

807
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,199
when I do couples or family therapy, because I think

808
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,599
a lot of the interventions that you do in couples

809
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:29,199
work especially requires demonstrations of ego death in these minor

810
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,360
ways and these microwaves.

811
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to demonstrate vulnerability and willingness to be

812
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,599
fucking wrong when you're wrong or you get nowhere with

813
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,920
your spouse or even just partner.

814
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,519
Speaker 1: We're going to practice an active listening exercise where your

815
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,880
partner is going to share something with you, probably about you,

816
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,280
and your job is to listen, repeat what you're hearing

817
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,760
them say, validate it, and empathize with it. And that

818
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,960
and of itself, is a practice and ego death, like,

819
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:54,679
you have to get your ego out of the fucking

820
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,719
way for the betterment of the relationship. And that's what

821
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,960
she's asking to do with losing. She's like, you need

822
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,599
to show me that you mean it, because she's probably

823
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:07,880
seen tons and tons of tons of guys get caught

824
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,880
up in that life if they're not in it already,

825
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,360
and then really switch on maybe not her, but on

826
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,519
women around her or people around her and so. And

827
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,880
he's able to meet her there because I assume he

828
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,719
has these bigger values that he connects to. It's not

829
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,159
just about that for him. That's not why he got

830
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,599
into it. Really, it's not why he kept doing it.

831
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,400
He has people in his life that love him no

832
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,199
matter what, because even when he does that, even though

833
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,920
they have money riding on it, because Chaucer can help himself,

834
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,320
but bet on him. I was waiting for them to

835
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,239
bring up, oh why are you doing this? Why are

836
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,159
you throwing it? Because we have money, and they don't

837
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,039
ever bring it up, which I think is pretty cool.

838
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,239
They don't. They really take everyone's very grounded and like mature,

839
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,840
like they're very like, well, that was our bet. We

840
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,480
fucked up, you know what I mean. So if he's

841
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,800
got to do this, he's got to do it.

842
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,039
Speaker 2: I think they were all encouraging him not to give in,

843
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,039
but then they all gave in at the same time,

844
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,119
which was an interesting moment of groundness because when the

845
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:07,800
French are like.

846
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: That, popit himself is French.

847
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: And then that's when Roland gave in like, well the

848
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,360
Pope might be French, but Jesus was English.

849
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: You're on you know, he like lost his shit.

850
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,599
Speaker 2: I think they all lost their shit collectively together and

851
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,159
had enough faith in what they were doing as a

852
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:31,400
team that they were willing to overlook Chaucer being himself

853
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,800
and putting them at peril and going like, yeah, this

854
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,840
is all the money we have, but also, fuck it.

855
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,239
We're in an all or nothing situation anyway, and if

856
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,480
they find us out. You know, we didn't talk about

857
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,039
the juxtaposition that the director cleverly put in this one,

858
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,360
because the director actually did a good job when they're

859
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,760
talking about whether or not to follow this, I don't

860
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,119
know if you guys caught it, but I caught.

861
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,639
Speaker 3: It this time. Maybe not so much in other times.

862
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 2: The director to its fucking obvious when they're like there

863
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,760
are there's a dude who's hanged and a dude who's

864
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,559
sitting in a cage behind them, when they're talking about

865
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,280
that is nothing, and all three of them or the

866
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,760
other Wat and Roland are looking at that, and Will

867
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,480
has his back to it, and they're like, yeah, bro,

868
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:25,119
but the turn around, Man, if they catch you, gallows

869
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,280
for us, or they'll put you in those little cages

870
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,360
and just be hanging up there for crow food. This

871
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,039
is the stakes and they know it. So I think

872
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,400
even in those moments, they're like they're coming together in

873
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:41,360
their acceptance of their existential dread. We're gonna fucking die

874
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,000
if they catch us anyways, and fuck it. But it's

875
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,199
a togetherness, it's a camaraderie, it's a family thing. I

876
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,599
don't think they were just like h Chulser beingley is.

877
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,880
I guess we'll cover the bat now they're all in.

878
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: Well. And also I think that I think you and

879
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,280
I might be talking about two different moments. I was

880
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,119
talking about when Will starts to throw the match, they

881
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:05,840
don't freak out that they've put a lot of money

882
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,079
on it.

883
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Well I mean that's the

884
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:10,000
same Yeah, it's the same thing.

885
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: You know, they don't freak out.

886
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,679
Speaker 1: But I don't mean them confronting Chaucer. I mean them

887
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,920
confronting Will, like I could see in a different movie

888
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,400
than being like, will you have to compete because we

889
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,239
have money on the line, Like, it's interesting that they

890
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,480
don't seem to to care about that in that moment

891
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,280
when he's throwing the match, which maybe also could be

892
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,960
I could see with someone like rolling, because I could,

893
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,760
I would feel this way is of course the one

894
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,840
time I make a bet, and that's my karma, you

895
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,719
know what, Jesus, you're right. I'm being punished for being

896
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,000
a sinner because I finally put money down on our

897
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:43,480
guy and he's just standing there doing nothing. Of course,

898
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,840
of course.

899
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like they that might have ended

900
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,559
up on the cutting room floor. I have a feeling,

901
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,559
and you're right again between the Will and Jocelyn dynamic

902
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,639
of the ego death. Absolutely, she's requesting that because he

903
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,960
came up to her and couldn't replicate the words that

904
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,599
they all shared in a really vulnerable, connected moment where

905
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Will is admitting his like I.

906
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: I don't do this.

907
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: I hit things with sticks, and everyone else is sharing

908
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:19,199
really grounded, connected, valuable words that Chaucer writes for him

909
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,079
because Will can't write, and then she's like Jos's like, no,

910
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,239
I want to hear poetry. I want you to talk

911
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,199
to me like you wrote to me, and then he

912
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,280
tells her that he's going to win the tournament for her,

913
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,400
which is literally the opposite of what he should have said.

914
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,519
Speaker 1: And I think that's, yeah, that's his ego, that's his

915
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,960
age showing is assuming that that's what she would want,

916
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,519
and even why I think understands that that's not what

917
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:52,760
someone like her wants in that moment, Like that's not

918
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,079
as romantic as he thinks it is. And also that

919
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,639
is part of like we were saying, him getting distracted

920
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,159
by the pageantry of it all, because that's not him.

921
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,360
That's not him paying attention to her too, because if

922
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,760
he was paying better attention to her, he would understand

923
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,000
that she doesn't really align. She's not impressed by any

924
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:18,880
of that stuff, especially because she has other nights promising

925
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,079
that shit to her old the time. And exactly how

926
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,719
when she responds to Adamar, she's like, he is winning

927
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,239
these for himself and for no one else, Like the

928
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,639
men who are saying this aren't they're not proving anything. Well,

929
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,440
she's an ego clocker. Like in one of the very

930
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,800
first scenes when they're in the church and the priest

931
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,320
or whoever asked her to for forgiveness or she's like,

932
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,280
I'm gonna kiss your ring and she's like ooh, you're ring.

933
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,440
That was a very good subversive move that made him

934
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,719
so uncomfortable. And I could see me doing something like

935
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,920
that because she's not insulting him, she's giving him a compliment.

936
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 3: But she's also one h.

937
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a good job of her clocking.

938
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,639
She's always clock locking the egos of the men around

939
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,599
her and the vanity and the bullshit of all the

940
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:09,000
men around her, and that it's not really about something

941
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,840
higher morality wise, it's not about like we're talking about

942
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:20,360
the self actualization. It's all status, ego stuff, objects, whatever.

943
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: And she's very clear what she wants and doesn't.

944
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: And she also knows that she's in that stable with

945
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,559
all these other things, Like she is a status object.

946
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, she knows, but she only uses that when she

947
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:40,480
wants to. I think what Hannah said, what you said

948
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:48,119
earlier was notable because she's she is very much an

949
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:53,679
empowered player in this film. She doesn't seem like a

950
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,239
circuit a victim of her circumstance. She's like, yeah, no,

951
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,719
and she does happen to, you know, have a little

952
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,000
melon in her skin. So I can see like her

953
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,079
as a very empowering figure, especially when like they just

954
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,639
the writers just nailed it. The the other priest, I

955
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,119
don't know, maybe they're in France or whatever, like starts

956
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:16,880
shushing her and not Will and she's like, don't shush

957
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,800
him and spare me.

958
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: I was like, God, damn, she's just like.

959
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,079
Speaker 1: No, I never noticed that part. No, I didn't notice

960
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,519
that part before. And I really love that part when

961
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,639
she was like she kind of like freaks out on

962
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,480
him a little bit, like she's had it. She's fucking

963
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:34,760
had it and she checks out on him, and I

964
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,119
was like, that's hilarious.

965
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with her seeing that self determination, clear, ego, purpose,

966
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,400
et cetera, she is interested in love, but she is

967
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,320
not interested in these jackasses and being part of their

968
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,480
trophy case. And she makes that super clear that I

969
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,159
will roast you mercilessly so that you stop being interested

970
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,480
in me. I have developed a sense of humor as

971
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,639
a weapon, and I will cut you with it, and

972
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,280
I have no qualms about it if you aren't what

973
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,760
I want. But when she starts realizing that will might be,

974
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,239
she does the whole like give him her favorite thing

975
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,360
that Knights would have been all about, and sends Watt

976
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,199
with a kiss for him, which I assure you a

977
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,119
man would only do if he really loved that other dude.

978
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:23,719
You know, like that there's no universe, but he Watt

979
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,239
loves him like a brother, and you know, didn't write circumstances.

980
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: And also why it's so literal. I don't think he

981
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,079
could have even conceptualized the fact that, like he could

982
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,039
have said, she brings you a kiss and I didn't

983
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:37,199
have to actually do it.

984
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't been funy if he didn't do that.

985
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, but I feel like that

986
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:42,880
speaks to how literal lot is.

987
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, but I think you know, I'm seeing

988
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,679
her be such a clear sense of self determination and

989
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,599
you know, like the Blacksmith too, I think you see

990
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,960
some really empowered writing of women here and where people

991
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,559
are showing even in a time where none of that

992
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:04,320
is real, they're still like nah, And it's pretty empowering,

993
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:09,280
a nice flip of the typical narrative where you're seeing

994
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,519
what a person who's got some self determination. I don't

995
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,960
care what my circumstances are. I'm not doing none of

996
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,320
that shit. And Adam r Is like I entered in

997
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,639
negotiations with her father. We're going to be married, but

998
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,519
only because you wanted her.

999
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a bummer. I mean, it wouldn't

1000
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
fit in a movie like this, but it would have

1001
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,440
been cool to see more of Jocelyn's world, like her

1002
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,480
family for sure, Like we don't really know anything. I mean,

1003
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,920
similar to the how she's in the movie. You know

1004
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,880
what sucks is that she really is just there through

1005
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,880
the main character's gaze instead of her having a life

1006
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,679
we follow without him. But that's just the movie, you

1007
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,719
know what I mean? And totally and I would say,

1008
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,039
like I do really appreciate how well written to like

1009
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,119
Kate the Blacksmith is because she's not like if it

1010
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:12,199
wasn't for the setup of her being the only female

1011
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,960
blacksmith and that's why she grews to work with them

1012
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,199
and and why would a blacksmith use their resources up

1013
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:22,320
on these ding dongs? And so I think that was

1014
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,400
important as a plot device. But what is cool though

1015
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,880
about her is that it's not really used as a

1016
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,360
what's the what am I thinking of? Like? And how

1017
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,360
there are other movies where like though she's the girl

1018
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,719
of the group, you know what I mean, Like when

1019
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:45,039
there's there's not a romantic attachment to her not available. Well,

1020
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:47,280
and it's also just like it's not that very typical

1021
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,880
like a girl over here talking about girl stuff like

1022
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,159
her being a woman comes up when it would make

1023
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:57,480
sense naturally, like when she's like, you guys can't dance

1024
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,719
like you know what I mean, Like where it's more

1025
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,079
of her life experience shows up as a woman versus

1026
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,760
being like a I guess the token woman. Maybe that's

1027
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,800
the word I'm looking for, Like the token woman of

1028
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,639
the group who gets misogynistic jokes are anout her or

1029
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,320
she is the joke. It is very much she like

1030
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,199
fits in with the group and she has her own

1031
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:23,840
self determination where she is good and she's smart, and

1032
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,079
she knows she's smart, and she knows she's good. The

1033
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,360
literally the only thing holding her back, similar to Will

1034
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,960
and Well, similar to Will is a circumstance outside of

1035
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,199
their control. For him it's class, and for her it's gender.

1036
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,159
And if that wasn't for that, you know, she'd be

1037
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,400
fucking killing it as a blacksmith with all her inventive stuff.

1038
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, her making the steel lighter and stronger.

1039
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: Founding Nike just do it just as she did, you know,

1040
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:59,000
incredible stupid, But I say is so sostly putting that

1041
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:00,159
in there is so the.

1042
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: Time Nike paid so much for that. I'm sure, I'm.

1043
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:07,519
Speaker 1: Sure double swish, but no, Like, she's also a character

1044
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,360
that isn't played for lass. Like she's very she's taken

1045
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,000
very seriously in the movie.

1046
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she tests them even like did they

1047
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,920
say I wasn't good because I'm a woman? And then

1048
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,360
Will clocks that immediately kind of because he's smart too,

1049
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,719
and he's like, nope, they said your armor's shite and

1050
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,320
your work is garbage or what. Basically, like he kept

1051
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,880
it about her because he read from her, Like she

1052
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,440
doesn't even give it, Like if they say it's because

1053
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,880
she's a woman, she just wants to be a blacksmith

1054
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,920
and be seen as a blacksmith. She does not want

1055
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,119
to be seen as the woman blacksmith. She wants to

1056
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,519
be seen as a blacksmith and in their group, you're right,

1057
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:52,320
she's not the token woman. She reminds them that she's

1058
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,679
a woman and has a woman's perspective. But it's never

1059
00:59:55,079 --> 01:00:00,000
used as a device or used in a negative lefe

1060
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,639
stand context. It's always in ah, you know who's the

1061
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:03,760
expert on this would be me?

1062
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: Because duh.

1063
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not too dissimilar from how like

1064
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,280
Chaucer is the one they go to when there has

1065
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,400
to be something flowery, something written. You know, that's his skills.

1066
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:19,320
So it's like she's used in that component. And I

1067
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,760
think she could have very easily been like a man,

1068
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,840
you know what I mean, Like, I don't think you

1069
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,000
would have changed that much of the script if she

1070
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,719
would have been played by a guy, except for how

1071
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,760
they come into contact with her initially. And I think

1072
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,320
that is very nice to see. I'm not trying to

1073
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,199
be grown right now, guys, maybe because it's late on

1074
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:42,960
a Sunday, but I was like, damn, this this movie

1075
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,199
was this time when we knew we were progressing culturally

1076
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:49,880
and we have been yanked right now, Well hopefully we're

1077
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,239
just in like the death blows, like the extinction burst

1078
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,480
freaking assholes right now. Who would call this movie woke

1079
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,360
if it came out today? Oh they would, because email

1080
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,920
Blacksmith And because this girl has like the main love

1081
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,719
of has self actualization. You're so fucking right. And I

1082
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,719
was like, I missed when movies like this were like,

1083
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,199
well girl power, and that had to be part of

1084
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:14,800
it because that was the culture. You had to have

1085
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,519
girl power.

1086
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean the number of the neckbeards that love Princess

1087
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,159
Leah but wouldn't love Jocelyn. And they're the same in

1088
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:24,639
so many ways, different but also the same. He's a

1089
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:26,760
strong woman who does no time for this bullshit and

1090
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,840
doesn't need men. She knows who she is, and she's

1091
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,880
gonna if she finds a partner, that's going to be

1092
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,719
her partner. Cool.

1093
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,519
Speaker 3: I'm into that. I'm a sexual being.

1094
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: But also, you ain't getting none of this if your

1095
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,199
typical douche had to have no interest and.

1096
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, even her finding him.

1097
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:41,639
Speaker 3: At night, that'd be totally woke.

1098
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, even him finding him at night, going to his

1099
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,719
tent and then obviously having sex bet him, well whatever,

1100
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,639
that was kind of corny. But I was like, that's okay,

1101
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,599
that's so cool because there was no connotation about what

1102
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:58,760
that meant from like a slutty perspective. It was just

1103
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,880
like there to get down. Because also in rom comes

1104
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,639
of that time, they got to get down at one point.

1105
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:05,960
There has to be the kissing scene with the fade

1106
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,679
to black, which I as someone who was you know,

1107
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:11,840
I watched forty Days and forty Nights. I was a

1108
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,400
Shannon Sausaman rom com of the time Josh Hartnett aficionado,

1109
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,000
because I was like fifteen when this movie came out

1110
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,760
fourteen fifteen, and you were horned and I was horned.

1111
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,840
I was in my you know, peak sexual awakening at

1112
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:31,199
the time, and and it's cool like watching it now

1113
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:33,199
and I was like, Wow, there really is no commentary

1114
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,719
about the fact that they slept together in this time period.

1115
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,119
I mean, it's totally anachronistic, but it's really dope, Like

1116
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:44,639
it was really dope, how self actualized girl powery she

1117
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,599
was in that way too, and it's all this stuff

1118
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,320
that's not spoken about, like they're also not being like

1119
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,400
a woman and owning her own sexuality.

1120
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,039
Speaker 2: It's just happens, and it happened organically like it would.

1121
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Where a different movie would be all all about the

1122
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,039
fact that she lost reverted to me, and that would

1123
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:04,559
be the only fucking thing the film. I mean, we

1124
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,719
don't even know if she's a virgin. We don't, That's

1125
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:09,800
what I mean. Like, and so I'm glad that you

1126
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,880
brought that up, because you're absolutely right, like there is

1127
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,039
no there is nothing around that, and just continues to

1128
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:17,639
show that when you don't make it a thing, it's

1129
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:19,679
not a fucking thing. It's just fucking made up.

1130
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, based on her behavior, I would

1131
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,159
say that she was not and like there's too much

1132
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:31,440
confidence in you know, I will maybe, but she no.

1133
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:35,480
And they didn't make that a thing either. It's just like, yeah,

1134
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:39,760
that's what's gonna happen here and the end, and it's

1135
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,559
normal and natural and it's not like a major plot device.

1136
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:46,559
Speaker 3: Is just a yeah, they've been building to this and

1137
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:48,320
that's kind of how it goes. That's it.

1138
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: And actually what's probably more out of sync with that

1139
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,960
behavior for her is the fact that she is a

1140
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,800
fancy woman, whereas I feel like there are probably women

1141
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,719
lower status, like of Rollins and all of them that

1142
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,920
probably were having sex, maybe not that differently then, not

1143
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,199
how we have sex nowadays, but you know what I mean,

1144
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:20,280
because there wasn't as much worry about your value to

1145
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,679
your prospective husband when you're of her class, where she's

1146
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,199
got to be a good girl if she wants to

1147
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:28,519
get the most bang for her buck, or her dad

1148
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:30,599
wants to get the most bang for her buck. When

1149
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:34,000
she gets sold off to her husband, so actually how

1150
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,480
she behaves is probably more how maybe Kate would, which

1151
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:41,599
is there probably wasn't more relaxed attitude around sex for

1152
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,280
someone of that statues. I'm making this up entirely anecdotally

1153
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:46,880
because it makes me think of In House of the

1154
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Dragon Rania and how she kind of has this sort

1155
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,440
of energy that Jocelyn has, which is, if I want

1156
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,000
to get it, I'm going to get it, and she

1157
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,920
takes advantage. I think the same way maybe Jocelyn does,

1158
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,639
the fact that she is higher status does shows he

1159
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,280
does have a lot of protections around her or get

1160
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,079
you know, just naturally because she is wealthy.

1161
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: Which is a well traveled trope in films of like

1162
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,280
higher class who have been seeking lower classmen or lower

1163
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,480
status men to get ravished by.

1164
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: But also in this one, she was the one that was.

1165
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: He was the pursuer.

1166
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 3: She was the pursuer.

1167
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,639
Speaker 1: She was she doesn't even he didn't even go to

1168
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:30,159
the banquet. He was like, I'm gonna go home and

1169
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,360
cry in my tents. He just goes home and pounds.

1170
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:33,880
He goes to his.

1171
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,719
Speaker 3: Ten and he was hurt. Well, yeah it was fucking hurt.

1172
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,719
Speaker 1: He had surgery.

1173
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:38,039
Speaker 3: Girl.

1174
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think he's pouting I got okay,

1175
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,320
but also he was little. He was also hurt.

1176
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: He was pretty hurt. I mean he got he got

1177
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,920
hit with I don't know what like.

1178
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: Ten lances without being able to defend himself to prove

1179
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,800
his love to her, and then she didn't even show. Yeah,

1180
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,880
I'm sure he was fucking hurt, Like I mean, what

1181
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,719
all the two guys like sitting there going That was

1182
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:07,480
after he lost and won the tournament for her. Yes,

1183
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:12,320
So in that timeline he got hit over and over

1184
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,159
and over without even being able to defend himself. He's

1185
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:14,760
fucking hurting.

1186
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:17,199
Speaker 3: He's hurt. Okay, welcome back.

1187
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 2: So I feel like we've kind of covered this self

1188
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,159
determination ego et cetera of where we wanted to, and

1189
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:27,159
we're kind of bridging into Chosen Family anyway. So let's

1190
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:31,719
take a quick break here and let's talk about how

1191
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:35,000
do we see Chosen Family represented in this gem of

1192
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:35,800
a film.

1193
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:42,039
Speaker 1: Well, as we were saying, this is a gaggle of outsiders,

1194
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,039
you know, I mean, we do see Roland, Watt and

1195
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,920
Will start out together. Obviously, they're a little posse that

1196
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,400
we've already talked about. They are very sibling asque. They

1197
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,679
were raised together pretty much, and they already the dynamic

1198
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:04,000
we've talked about where Will definitely feels like the youngest

1199
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:07,679
of the three, and as the story goes along, they

1200
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:12,880
start to collect outsiders. Kate, we talked about the Blacksmith,

1201
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,519
and also Chaucer, who we haven't talked about that much,

1202
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,280
even though he's such a big part of the movie.

1203
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:25,320
He's tremendous, tremendous he made. I loved him so much.

1204
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,519
I love him so much. He's still alive. I don't

1205
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:32,920
want I sound like it was he's vision, baby, and

1206
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:47,199
his vision is name Yeah, the vision, and yeah, I

1207
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,679
think it is a It's a good demonstration of how

1208
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,039
when people can find each other, when outsiders can find

1209
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:54,760
each other, and they have the showsen family, how it

1210
01:07:54,800 --> 01:08:00,519
does create powerful bonding. As we've talked about it, it

1211
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,599
really helps pull Will back in these moments where he

1212
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:06,920
could definitely get high on his own supply and fuck

1213
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,760
his shit up and everything could go to hell. I

1214
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,920
think it also helped him with his relationship to Joscelyn,

1215
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,840
like that humility there where I think that moment where

1216
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,920
they're all pulling together their experiences to write that letter

1217
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,840
to Joscelyn. I think was such a beautiful, sweet moment

1218
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:29,720
of Chosen Family, how they're all sharing their clutch experiences.

1219
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,159
I think it was also a good demonstration of how

1220
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:37,000
Will is the youngest, the littlest of the group, because

1221
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,000
he's having his first experience like that and they all

1222
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:44,920
already have stories that are sad that they're giving him.

1223
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,119
In that moment, he's getting benefiting from the mentorship, if

1224
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:52,319
you will, of his Chosen family.

1225
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: And I think he is and they do.

1226
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,199
Speaker 2: They kind of adopt people, and I think the only

1227
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:02,680
one whoever sits slightly on a lower status is Chaucer,

1228
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:05,720
and even that's only for a little while. They seem

1229
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,000
like they really bring everybody into like we're all doing

1230
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:14,000
this together, and they find love for each other and empowerment,

1231
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:17,439
and they kind of let each person play the role

1232
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,840
that they're best suited for in their party, and they

1233
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,600
empower each other. It's never well, I say you do this,

1234
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,479
so you do that. No, they let everybody kind of

1235
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,359
naturally find their space and they create space and hold

1236
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,000
it for each other, which is a kind of powerful

1237
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:38,039
component of Chosen Families, of recognizing like, hey, this person

1238
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:40,359
is the vision person and this person might be the

1239
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,520
details person, and this person might be the heart person,

1240
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,399
and this is the person you call when you need

1241
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,079
to fuck some shit up, And this is the one

1242
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:51,479
who's gonna find us opportunities but also that none of

1243
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,800
us would ever get ourselves into willingly, and he's gonna

1244
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:54,239
push us.

1245
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 3: But also he's fucking right.

1246
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a really tight bond but an acceptance

1247
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,800
for each other, and never do they really use that

1248
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,880
against each other unless somebody really kind of needs to

1249
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,399
be checked.

1250
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,279
Speaker 1: It really makes me think of radical acceptance just in general,

1251
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,439
just like radically accepting each other automatically of like okay,

1252
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,279
like now you're a part of the group, and now

1253
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:18,880
that you're a part of the group, this is the

1254
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,840
role that we're all going to play together. And and

1255
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,680
how I know that I work with a bunch of

1256
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:30,119
people that have chosen more chosen family connection then they

1257
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:37,039
have biofamily connection for many different reasons. And I think

1258
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:41,520
this is a really good example of how finding people

1259
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,840
who are similar to you and have similar values and

1260
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:51,520
beliefs and all that stuff, that you can really be

1261
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,359
seen and heard by other people and choose other family

1262
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,880
for yourself, Like that really is an experience that you

1263
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:02,159
can have and how important that can be, especially when

1264
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,880
I think about like moving like I've been in Chicago

1265
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,560
for I think twelve years, but like moving to a

1266
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,840
big city by yourself and trying to in a lot

1267
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,640
of times, I think people who moved to Chicago from

1268
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:21,640
a teeny tiny place like me really opens up this

1269
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,720
ability like you're around all these different people who have

1270
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,880
the same thoughts and beliefs as you do, and how

1271
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,439
that may be something you have never experienced before. And

1272
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,920
so I think as we're talking about so we're talking

1273
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,079
about everybody and kind of their role and Will being

1274
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,119
the youngest, I think you guys have a really good

1275
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:42,920
point that he is really being comforted and supported and

1276
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:51,399
like cocooned by there by this chosen family. And also

1277
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,439
I think an important element to highlight as well is

1278
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,399
that a lot of times people who engage in chosen

1279
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,840
family are disenfranchised in some way. That's I think the

1280
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,319
way it's most commonly talked about in modern parlance is,

1281
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,920
especially with the queer community, a lot of times they

1282
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,399
discuss chosen family because unfortunately a lot of people still

1283
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,840
when they come out as queer, get disowned from their

1284
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,239
family get kicked out, Like the highest number of unhoused

1285
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,760
young people are people that have come out to their

1286
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,960
families in some way, and so there is a lot

1287
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:34,239
of importance and respect put on chosen family. And I

1288
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:39,960
wonder with Will Roland and want like they kind of

1289
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,159
have this sort of similar normalization in terms of your

1290
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:49,000
family isn't necessarily people that you stay with or that

1291
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:53,039
raise you or that take care of you, that you there.

1292
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:58,920
The blood bond isn't as important in their culture too,

1293
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,239
because they get sent away for whatever reason, or their

1294
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:07,239
famili's just not around whatever it is. When we meet

1295
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:10,720
all these people in the movie, they aren't with any

1296
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,439
blood relatives. The only person that has a family we

1297
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,880
hear about is Jocelyn's dad, and we don't even see him.

1298
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,119
I don't think. We don't even see any scenes with

1299
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,319
them together for sure.

1300
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: No, we don't.

1301
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: And so there is no actual blood family in this movie.

1302
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,279
It's all families who you're with and who looks out

1303
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:32,000
for you, who takes care of you, which I really

1304
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:35,000
like because I'll tell you what, when you work out

1305
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:38,800
with families and children, At least this is my experience,

1306
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:43,680
It does not encourage my belief that blood matters. It

1307
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,159
actually has discouraged. So blood matters. Your family is the

1308
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:49,720
same and the people you know, white people who take

1309
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,960
care of you, and they look out for you, and

1310
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,760
you give a shit about each other. The blood really

1311
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,800
doesn't have anything to do with it other than it's

1312
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,359
a long held way that family has been organized.

1313
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:02,520
Speaker 2: Well, as we've talked about here, even the quote that

1314
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,159
families growing up have loved to misuse. His blood is

1315
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,640
thicker than water, But that has not a fucking thing

1316
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:16,479
to do with the blood that is in your veins.

1317
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,399
It is the blood that is spilt in battle building

1318
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,319
comrades and arms, which is a whole separate kind of bond,

1319
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,319
and that is exactly the kind of bond that this

1320
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:32,359
group has. They have blood swat, starved, slaved together, and

1321
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:36,840
they all understand each other on that level. They all

1322
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:40,079
when they saw Chaucer this and of course Paul Bettany's

1323
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:43,680
what six', five so it's like giant naked man just

1324
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:47,520
wandering down the, street they all had empathy for, him

1325
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,720
like what are you? Doing and they brought him in

1326
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,279
and they closed, Him they fed, in accepted, him even

1327
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:56,119
though he's imperfect and has, problems and he lied a little,

1328
01:14:56,119 --> 01:15:00,199
bit but he also was, like uh, yo so, OH

1329
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,720
i can make some dope papers that can make this

1330
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,319
reality for. You AND i have some knowledge that you

1331
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:10,000
guys kind of, don't so we, can you, know do this.

1332
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:14,880
Thing and they accepted that because they needed. To and

1333
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,600
there's like a warmth to that, That, well you can

1334
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,000
only be in this family if you're bid by these

1335
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:25,640
rules and married this person as we've arranged for. You

1336
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,119
there's a very different energy to this Of i'm going

1337
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,000
to accept you and love you and find the good

1338
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,439
power you have and let you shine as the light

1339
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,239
you are and love you while you do.

1340
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:40,199
Speaker 3: It THAT i feel like makes this movie.

1341
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,399
Speaker 1: Special, WELL i think the long and the short of

1342
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:44,520
it is that when you engage in more chosen, FAMILY

1343
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,079
i think you just have more flexibility about what family

1344
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:50,920
means and what closeness, means and it is more rooted

1345
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:53,680
in well you guys are talking, about which is values

1346
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:57,359
and character than the fact that we just happen to

1347
01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:01,159
share a lot of genetic, components which is a and

1348
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:06,239
WHEN i work with with people that are struggling with their,

1349
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:08,119
family and it can come out in a lot of

1350
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:11,720
honestly like, shame towards themselves of, like why AM i

1351
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,000
not closer to my? Siblings why AM i not closer to?

1352
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:17,239
THIS i, go, well here's the. Thing your family is

1353
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:20,479
just a crapshoot in terms of personalities and stuff like.

1354
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,439
That so people who just happen to be like best

1355
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,119
friends with their, siblings for, example they're just. Lucky it's

1356
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:30,079
not because they're doing something that you're not, doing and

1357
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:32,960
so that's a flaw on your. Part they just are

1358
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:36,760
very lucky and that they vibe like friends with their,

1359
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:43,079
family and that's not true for. Everybody and like you were, Saying,

1360
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,760
BEN i think when you have that more flexible, outlook

1361
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,279
not just suppose to the chosen family, aspect but also

1362
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,840
because of the status, stuff the life, stuff the social economic,

1363
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,600
Stuff like you're, right like there's more openness to looking

1364
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,479
at other people as people that could be a part

1365
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,760
of your group or, not versus judging them because they

1366
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,079
do judge him. OBVIOUSLY i, mean how can you not

1367
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:11,000
judge someone covered in shit walking on the. Road, nay,

1368
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:14,479
Kid but they have more curiosity in a way THAT

1369
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,279
i think is more common within like chosen Famili it's

1370
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:19,800
kind of like similar like when you watch the show

1371
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,159
pose a lot of what poses about his chosen family

1372
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,600
and how in that, show when she comes Across blanca

1373
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:31,079
starts to deep cut for post, fans when she comes Across, Darien, Damon,

1374
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,199
Damien it's been a while SINCE i watched the Show

1375
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:37,319
The Young dancer in the first, season instead of her judging,

1376
01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:40,079
him she's like asking questions about his, life what's he,

1377
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:42,000
doing how's he because she knows what it's like to

1378
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:44,960
be there. WHERE i feel like in this situation, too

1379
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:47,760
when you have relied on chosen, family you, know you

1380
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,680
have more empathy and understanding of what it's like to need,

1381
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,720
someone to need to be chosen and not just be

1382
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,399
able to rely on your family of, origin your blood.

1383
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,600
Relations AND i think we also see the powerful impact

1384
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,680
too On, chaucer for, example someone who has this interesting

1385
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:12,800
balance of arrogance and. Humility it's like he knows he's really,

1386
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,640
smart but he also knows he's kind of fuck, up

1387
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:19,840
and he's bouncing between the. Two and even though he

1388
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,159
still does gamble in terms of placing bets On, will

1389
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:27,239
once he really gets locked in to their group and

1390
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:32,680
their chosen, family it does seem to curb his the

1391
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,640
intensity of his addictive, behavior AND i wonder if that

1392
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,560
says a. LOT i, Mean i'm reading into this movie,

1393
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,560
obviously BUT i think that could be true in the

1394
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,840
sense that he's got more things that he cares, about

1395
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:49,760
there's more, accountability he is being maybe perceived well for

1396
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,319
the first time in a long, time BECAUSE i think

1397
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:53,279
something that's hard with someone who has a history of

1398
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:57,439
addiction is that you wear people, out and you can

1399
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,600
get a really bad, reputation even with people that love,

1400
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,479
you and so it can start to be, like, fuck

1401
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,720
it might as well. Gamble it's the only WAY i,

1402
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:09,319
get you, know positive arousal. Feelings AND i wonder with

1403
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:14,439
someone like him meeting them and them being so inclusive with,

1404
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,000
him and then also paying that debt because he fucks

1405
01:19:17,079 --> 01:19:20,520
up pretty quickly and then they give him the benefit of.

1406
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,520
That that it makes me think of When i've worked

1407
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,760
with kids that have been really disenfranchised by their own,

1408
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:33,000
behaviors and when they get the opportunity to be in

1409
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:36,680
the good graces of, someone even after they've seen their,

1410
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,079
shit they do have the power sometimes to like really

1411
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,479
turn it around because they care about something, more something

1412
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:49,479
bigger than just themselves or their. Shame or. Whatever SO

1413
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,119
i do feel like we see the power of chosen,

1414
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:55,159
FAMILY i think the most in a lot of. Ways With, CHAUCER.

1415
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 3: I think those are really his dute. POINTS i think.

1416
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:07,159
Speaker 2: We see his needs getting, met his deep attachment needs getting,

1417
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:12,319
met and then his behavior starts to decrease because he's

1418
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:16,439
not seeking the only available path to get his needs.

1419
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:21,239
Met he's just getting the Met and while that doesn't

1420
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:23,840
stop addictive, behavior which this movie doesn't create a fantasy

1421
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,399
that it, does because you see him as soon as

1422
01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:26,359
he sees, dice you see.

1423
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 3: Him Paul bettany's acting is so. Good he's, like.

1424
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: Looks like he's seeing a big old juicy steak and

1425
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,079
he sees the dice and he's, like, oh what game

1426
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:35,640
is that over?

1427
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,319
Speaker 3: There because, Uh and he.

1428
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: Keeps, walking but you can see like it pained, him

1429
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:47,359
it pained him to not go for. That but as

1430
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:49,359
soon as we see him getting his needs, met getting,

1431
01:20:49,359 --> 01:20:55,319
accepted brought, in he has a reason to. Try and

1432
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,920
they do accept that about. Him they kind of tolerate

1433
01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:03,279
and they don't cast him out for being. Imperfect they

1434
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:08,239
bring him in and might he wear them out if

1435
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:08,920
he keeps up the?

1436
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,319
Speaker 3: Behavior? Yeah does he test that.

1437
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 2: Limit he does does what beat his ass a couple of, Times,

1438
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,439
sure he, does but ALSO i don't think anybody else

1439
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,560
cared enough about him to beat his ass and bring him.

1440
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,439
Back and while beating someone's ass is not Something i'm

1441
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,359
advocating for within the context of this, movie that Was watt's.

1442
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:32,800
WAY i think recognizing that family accepting each other and

1443
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,319
not creating a stafe landing point that we're still gonna

1444
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,680
accept you when you fuck, up when you mess something,

1445
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,399
up when you do something, wrong when you even threaten

1446
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,399
all of us with your, Behavior we're still we're gonna

1447
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:46,479
figure this out together and also going to knock the

1448
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,840
shut off because we're gonna hold you accountable for your.

1449
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,079
Shit but at the same, time we're not gonna just

1450
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:54,800
cast you. Out AND i think it's a powerful togetherness

1451
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,520
message we see.

1452
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:02,199
Speaker 1: Here ABSOLUTELY i feel LIKE i feel like that's exactly

1453
01:22:02,279 --> 01:22:04,960
right in terms of How chaucer is a part of the,

1454
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:12,119
group and having somebody who needs some purpose and needs

1455
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:15,840
something to focus on and needs people who will be, like,

1456
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,159
hey it's, okay you messed. Up here's some, clothes here's some,

1457
01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:22,079
money here's some. Food like having that experience and being

1458
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:25,079
able to be in a place where that's just automatically

1459
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:27,239
offered up to. You is it can be a huge

1460
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:30,920
difference for people and can really make them really have

1461
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,159
a moment of clarity where they can decide that they're

1462
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:37,000
going to do something. Different AND i feel like in

1463
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,880
that moment when he says it the first time and he's, like,

1464
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,039
No i'm not going to do that. Anymore whenever that,

1465
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,239
HAPPENS i feel like he really meant, that like he

1466
01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:46,359
was really LIKE i really can he do? That, no

1467
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,760
because it's not how addiction. Works but it's. Good it's

1468
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,319
interesting to see that self, determination like we talked about

1469
01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:56,039
in the, beginning of him being able to really sit

1470
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:58,119
in that and be, like this is something THAT i

1471
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:00,640
want to be able to. Do want to be a

1472
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,520
part of this group.

1473
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely AND i think the only other THING i want

1474
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:08,000
to hint on with that is that when you create

1475
01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:10,479
that kind of space for, people like you're talking about

1476
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:15,800
both of, you is you see spontaneous moments of growth

1477
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:22,359
and actualization where people really feel themselves and see in

1478
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:25,960
the universe where they. Fit and, man does he see

1479
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,680
it when he sees, Like, Oh i'm the HERALD i

1480
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,479
need to do the, heralding and then he does it

1481
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,399
in a way that is so authentically him and the

1482
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:42,479
crowd loves him for. It Without tosser doing it that,

1483
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:48,039
Way Sir rik Van liechtenstein would not be a. Sensation

1484
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,159
he'd just be another jackass on a.

1485
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:57,319
Speaker 1: Horse fun side, Note Sir alrich Von lichtenstein was a

1486
01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:01,640
real night from the thirteenth on tree who was known

1487
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:07,119
for being good at jousting and for being A poet's.

1488
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,279
Speaker 3: Actually From.

1489
01:24:07,319 --> 01:24:10,239
Speaker 1: GELBERLAND i don't think so that place sounded like.

1490
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 3: That i've been. There it's in The.

1491
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,520
Speaker 1: Netherlands well, well, well WELL i thought it was fucking

1492
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,479
made up as ship and was like these people believe.

1493
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:24,720
Anything maybe, Yeah i'm Lady brittany From Fragle.

1494
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,159
Speaker 3: Rock, no, no it had to have been a real.

1495
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: Place uh and, YES i felt the same way UNTIL

1496
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,119
i went to The netherlands for study. Abroad it was

1497
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:38,560
like seeing its Like, Gelderland Like. Gelderland, yeah oh, shit

1498
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,119
it's something to show me a dance From gelberland Because

1499
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,079
i'm here for. It but, no it's a it's a

1500
01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:48,439
it's a real. Place and the The dutch would have

1501
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,079
had a lot more control Over belgium of that time

1502
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:57,159
than they do. Now belgium would have been either non

1503
01:24:57,159 --> 01:25:03,319
existent or split Between french And dutch, control and the

1504
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:06,119
northern region closest To england is called The flemish, region

1505
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:09,319
where they speak A dutch dialect Called.

1506
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:12,520
Speaker 3: Flemish so he little history lesson from someone that went.

1507
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: THERE i thought you were gonna say flem AND i was,

1508
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:15,880
like that could not be the name of.

1509
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:25,119
Speaker 2: There, No but there's a, lot there's a lot of

1510
01:25:25,119 --> 01:25:26,359
ties to real stuff.

1511
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:28,199
Speaker 3: Here that's a fun little.

1512
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,319
Speaker 1: Tidbit AND i would say one other THING i want

1513
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:33,279
to mention With, trouscer which may be more fits with

1514
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:37,479
the first, Part but oh, well is like you're saying

1515
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,840
with The, heralding he's able to get his purpose met

1516
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,039
in a way that's also. Fulfilling LIKE i wonder what

1517
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:49,720
addiction To sometimes we will go towards those pleasure seeking

1518
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,600
behaviors when we're feeling a lack of, purpose a lack of,

1519
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,840
fulfillment and we're just trying to kind of get it

1520
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,319
where we, can, well you, know get it, well it's.

1521
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:03,199
Good and SO i wonder with him, too is him

1522
01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:05,760
being able to be in something so fulfilling and also

1523
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,640
kind of. Addicting you, know the, crowd the.

1524
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 3: Attention, oh he's clearly loving.

1525
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: It he's walking up and down in front of the

1526
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:15,279
air to the, throne you know WHAT i. Mean and

1527
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:19,319
so he also gets a replacement. Addiction his chosen family

1528
01:26:19,359 --> 01:26:25,640
also kind of gives him something that's healthier that replaces the.

1529
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,920
Addiction he's doing something to be invested, in something to

1530
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,640
be excited. By And i'm sure also he gets some

1531
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:37,000
of that high energy arousal stuff too from being around

1532
01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:40,159
LIKE i think about the scene Where watt starting to

1533
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:43,079
lose it and he like rips him down in the middle,

1534
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,960
area which was very, Funny And i'm, like this is

1535
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,760
probably also giving him a bit of the hormonal flooding

1536
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,560
that gambling does being around all these. SCALLYWAGS a life of,

1537
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,560
crime you, know an addiction is not too far from

1538
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,039
each other terms of probably where it lights up in your.

1539
01:27:02,039 --> 01:27:04,600
Brain so he gets a little dose of healthy crime

1540
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,960
and risk, taking and also the arousal of like the

1541
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,840
response and being the first marketer. Influencer and then he

1542
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,000
gets the hit of being around people that have goodwill with.

1543
01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:20,359
You and SO i can see where all those things

1544
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,680
do satisfy him in a way that maybe it wouldn't

1545
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,680
happen in real life because addiction is, Crazy like addiction

1546
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:30,319
is a, powerful powerful, thing AND i don't want to undermine.

1547
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:34,720
That AND i could see for someone like, him BECAUSE

1548
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,079
i would like to know more about him as, Well

1549
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:37,880
like is he like a gifted kid who's bored so

1550
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,000
he becomes so he devolves a gambling. Addiction is that

1551
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,399
once he gets fulfilled in all these different, ways the

1552
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,520
gambling isn't as, Seductive it isn't as all consuming like we're.

1553
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Saying he still gets a kick out of it with

1554
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,239
betting On will and getting the others to come into

1555
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:58,079
it with, him but it's not as much of like

1556
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,760
a deep hole he will fall in as it was

1557
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,920
before when he didn't have anything.

1558
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 3: ELSE i agree with those. Things do you have anything

1559
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:08,560
else we want to say on this?

1560
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,319
Speaker 1: TOPIC i don't think.

1561
01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:16,319
Speaker 5: So All, Right, well let's take a break here and

1562
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:21,800
we'll get into our self care treatment section for this.

1563
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,239
Speaker 3: Episode normally we.

1564
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 2: Cover treatment here and look at the, characters but we

1565
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,960
kind of collectively decided in our pre show that this

1566
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:36,439
is such a simple. Movie the good guys, win the

1567
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,680
bad guy. Loses they get to monologue at him even

1568
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:41,840
and everybody gets what they.

1569
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:43,199
Speaker 3: Want so.

1570
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 2: Rather than cover the characters that don't need anything really

1571
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:51,039
because they're not complex enough for us to give you

1572
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:52,680
anything real about, this we could make sure.

1573
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,520
Speaker 3: Up we could rise it, up just like this movie

1574
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,239
does all over the, place but it's a bad.

1575
01:28:58,279 --> 01:29:02,039
Speaker 2: Idea we're going to do instead is talk about why

1576
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,159
movies like this, exist why we go back to, them

1577
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,279
why we watch them over and. Over movies like, THIS

1578
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,079
i think in our chat we all realize that this

1579
01:29:12,119 --> 01:29:14,920
movie is. Perfect, well why do we think?

1580
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:15,079
Speaker 1: That?

1581
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,159
Speaker 2: Hannah i'm going to toss it to you BECAUSE i

1582
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:19,800
think you were the first one who kind of threw

1583
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:20,039
that out.

1584
01:29:20,079 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 3: There this movie is just.

1585
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:27,279
Speaker 1: AWESOME i think a part of it is connected to

1586
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,720
how OLD i was WHEN i saw this movie the first,

1587
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:34,680
time so being eighteen and watching something where kind of

1588
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,680
the things That i've brought up throughout the episode so,

1589
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,880
far SO i really feel LIKE i forgot the.

1590
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: QUESTION i just, like why is it that the movies

1591
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,640
like this are? Awesome and we kind of they are

1592
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,399
good for our mental.

1593
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Health because they really we don't have to think about.

1594
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,119
Anything we can sit in a room and just watch

1595
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:58,680
the simple story play. Out it was its. Dynamic the

1596
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:03,600
music is, fun the characters love each. Other it's a

1597
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:10,039
very like comforting film to. Watch AND i think that

1598
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:14,199
a big and being able to really be immersed in

1599
01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:17,560
something and be able to not have to think about

1600
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,880
all of the real world that we're all living in.

1601
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,399
Currently and this is one of those movies where you just,

1602
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,159
go you can just, sit you don't have to have

1603
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,920
you don't have to be, sobbing you don't have to be.

1604
01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:34,479
Upset like it's just a very chill film that shows

1605
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,720
love and. Companionship AND i think it AND i think

1606
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,079
that's the kind of thing that we're all seeking when

1607
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:45,880
we want to take good care of, ourselves which is

1608
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,479
finding something that feels comfortable and good and it also doesn't,

1609
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:54,680
cost you, know two hundred dollars to. DO i would,

1610
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,800
say WHAT i want to add to that is something

1611
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:02,199
THAT i NOTICE i observe as a pattern WHEN i

1612
01:31:02,279 --> 01:31:06,000
work with people that have trauma, backgrounds is there can

1613
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:13,920
be a almost unconscious re traumatizing by always watching and

1614
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,960
reading things that are heavy as. Fuck LIKE i have

1615
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,560
so many clients that have had, like for, example domestic,

1616
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,479
violence and they'll be, like, YEAH i Watch itania over the,

1617
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,880
weekend and that's them telling me how they like had

1618
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,560
chill time over the. Weekend i'm, like you gotta be

1619
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,680
fucking kidding, me you. Know and SO i do think

1620
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,000
there it's important to have a space for entertainment that

1621
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:40,079
is just for entertainment that doesn't have to be BECAUSE i, think,

1622
01:31:40,119 --> 01:31:43,319
like and this is my bias showing is THAT i

1623
01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:45,800
think sort of the modern equivalent to that right now

1624
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:50,960
is REALITY. Tv AND i don't love that as a

1625
01:31:51,000 --> 01:32:00,279
therapist because it involves so much conflicts and beating, Down

1626
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:05,159
like it's a lot of people demoralizing themselves to each.

1627
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:08,960
Other it's a lot of its humiliation and rituals and

1628
01:32:09,039 --> 01:32:14,159
fighting and drama and all that kind of, stuff and it's,

1629
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:17,479
boring AND i, think, well it's. Boring that's my bias right,

1630
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:22,119
there especially same. Girl BUT i do think we're missing

1631
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,720
currently this pocket of movies or this category of entertainment

1632
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:30,760
which is just like, fun not that, serious not that deep,

1633
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,840
movies you, Know like we don't really make rom coms

1634
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,760
in the theaters like we used. To AND i think

1635
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,880
that's a component of. This and even THOUGH i do

1636
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,840
love AND ii of The Seven, kingdoms that's a good

1637
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:47,000
example OF i think where culture has gone in terms

1638
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:51,359
of like prestige prestige television and prestige, movies where everything

1639
01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:55,640
has to be so deadly, serious so rooted in, reality

1640
01:32:56,359 --> 01:33:00,079
so violent and, GOD i sound like a friggin door

1641
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,600
right now saying the, violence which violence. Is BUT i, mean,

1642
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:07,479
like we we have introduced so much grounded quote unquote

1643
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:12,560
psychology into movies and TO tv shows now, too and

1644
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:16,239
stories will also get, dragged, like for, EXAMPLE i really

1645
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:19,319
like the New Wathering heights. ADAPTATION a lot of people

1646
01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:22,119
hated it because they thought of it all four times

1647
01:33:22,119 --> 01:33:24,159
in the, Theater yeah you. Did because they thought it

1648
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:27,560
was too, shallow pretty much like too, Superficial like it

1649
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:33,479
didn't have all the depth and drudgery of the, book

1650
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,680
Which i'm fine with BECAUSE i forget hate that book

1651
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,000
AND i read it last year or like two years,

1652
01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:40,520
ago so this is a new take for. Me and

1653
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,039
also there's a bajillion adaptations Of Wuthering, Heights so go

1654
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:47,760
watch a sadder one or realer one if you want.

1655
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,680
To like it'd be different if that was the only

1656
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,199
adaptation of this piece of. Work and you can have

1657
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,880
a lot of feelings about that BECAUSE i understand that

1658
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,479
as someone who reads a lot of. Books BUT i

1659
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,960
think with, this this is a good example of, like

1660
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:01,840
if you want the harder core version of, it you

1661
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,800
can find the harder core version of. It but if

1662
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,960
you want like a lighter version that just helps you

1663
01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:10,600
enjoy yourself and you don't have to get your blood pressure.

1664
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,359
Spiking this stuff does have a place AND i AND

1665
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:18,079
i don't know if it's also LIKE i don't, know, intellectualism,

1666
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,720
misogyny all this stuff that kind of has made these

1667
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,399
movies not as prevalent, nowadays but it is important to

1668
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,880
have things to watch for the love of the, game

1669
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,079
like for the fun of a, movie BECAUSE i just

1670
01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:31,840
love going to the, movies AND i have a very

1671
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,720
low bar for movies to pass for me to enjoy.

1672
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,840
Them AND i think there is so much space for

1673
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,520
mes that are just fun and good and they don't

1674
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,840
have to BE i don't have to be looking into

1675
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,479
the abyss into the psyche of the human, mind which

1676
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,399
is ironic considering this podcasts.

1677
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,560
Speaker 3: We're saying, that but and what we do as a, Profession, yeah.

1678
01:34:52,319 --> 01:34:54,159
Speaker 1: BUT i think because we other a, PROFESSION i don't

1679
01:34:54,199 --> 01:34:56,920
need to be doing. THAT i don't think anyone should

1680
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:57,439
be doing that all the.

1681
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,199
Speaker 2: Time can you please explain that more like the number

1682
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:02,960
of TIMES i have to tell that to people in

1683
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,199
my life or even my.

1684
01:35:04,199 --> 01:35:06,199
Speaker 3: Spouse, Sorry, SWEEDIE i love.

1685
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 2: You is, like there's a lot of times Where i'll

1686
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:10,800
watch a show and she'll be really into her like

1687
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,319
all my friends also that's, good And i'll watch it

1688
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:14,880
for five minutes be, Like, nope this is, work this is,

1689
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,720
work this is. Work i'm NOT i Can't and she's,

1690
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:22,159
like you never want to watch anything like it needs

1691
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:25,079
to be in a galaxy far far, away or about

1692
01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:27,840
a man who dresses like a, bat or about a

1693
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:32,359
dude who got bit by right, now just, something take

1694
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:36,560
me somewhere away THAT i don't have to be connected

1695
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:37,359
to an in steranity.

1696
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:40,239
Speaker 3: ABYSS i, DON'T i don't want. IT i live. THERE

1697
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,439
i don't need it When i'm taking a.

1698
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: Break AND i feel Like Wuthering heights is such a

1699
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:52,079
good example because it's so. Atmospheric the music is very

1700
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:55,840
the music is done By CHARLIE. Xcx it is glorious

1701
01:35:56,119 --> 01:35:59,279
in this, film but it's so WHAT i the reason

1702
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:00,920
WHY i THINK i saw it four times in movie.

1703
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,359
Theaters besides the fact That i'm a straight up maniac

1704
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:08,319
sometimes is THAT i didn't have to think about a

1705
01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:11,079
fucking thing WHEN i was watching that. MOVIE i could

1706
01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:14,399
just go, in listen to this beautiful, music this beautiful,

1707
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,880
set and all the really beautiful, colors and it reminds

1708
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,359
me a lot of A Night's, tale LIKE i like

1709
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:25,159
A Night's sale because the music is, fun it's. Dynamic

1710
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,359
the people in the FILM i either like or care

1711
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,680
for or think, about but not too. Hard AND i

1712
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,560
definitely used to be and maybe sometimes still. DO i

1713
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,960
try really hard not to. Anymore do What brittany, described

1714
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:45,960
it was definitely a person who've experienced a lot of

1715
01:36:46,079 --> 01:36:49,840
trauma but wasn't able to really have awareness of. That

1716
01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:54,159
AND i would watch all of these just gut wrenching

1717
01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:59,399
things over and over. Again no, Less yeah you sure.

1718
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:00,159
Speaker 3: Did YEAH i.

1719
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: DID i MEAN i, laugh not because you've had, trauma so,

1720
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:07,359
NO i, KNOW i mean just for the. LISTENING i

1721
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,720
laugh because the amount of Times i'm, like, Oh, hannah

1722
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,439
what are you up to? Today And you're, like, Oh

1723
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:12,720
i'm just like watching a movie And i'm like what

1724
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,159
movie and you're, like you tell me a. MOVIE i

1725
01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:17,119
can't even think of an, example Like moonlight or. Something,

1726
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:19,680
yeah that's a good. Example i'm, like what the fuck

1727
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:23,000
that's how you relax is watching something that made me

1728
01:37:23,079 --> 01:37:25,680
cry so hard THAT i almost had a panic attack

1729
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,319
AND i had to pause my television multiple. Times and

1730
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:29,960
THEN i THINK i texted you immediately, AFTER i, SAID

1731
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:31,640
i can't talk about this movie for at least a

1732
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,760
month Because i'm going to get too. Upset, Yep and

1733
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,840
you watch it. CASUALLY i was watching it casually at that.

1734
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,159
Time that is very true and so AND i think

1735
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:46,359
that that's a part OF i don't know if it's

1736
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:49,920
a part of connecting to another part of yourself when

1737
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,840
you're watching those traumatic, things or like seeing if you

1738
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,000
can get through it or get past it or whatever the.

1739
01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:59,199
Fuck i'm not really sure what it. Is but we

1740
01:37:59,359 --> 01:38:05,680
definitely needs something that just feels. Nice it just feels,

1741
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:11,479
good and isn't something where the chaoticness of the way

1742
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,279
that they're telling the story is so overwhelming that you

1743
01:38:14,359 --> 01:38:17,439
have to pay attention so fucking, hard versus something that's

1744
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:22,039
just fun to, watch Like Indiana jones movies and Fucking

1745
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:29,640
Wuthering heights and just like different movies that you can

1746
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,199
really sit in for the hour and a half or

1747
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:36,199
two hours that it is instead of having to think

1748
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:39,359
about all of the worry that's out in the world

1749
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,079
right now and all the different ways that we're having

1750
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:44,279
to protect ourselves in different ways than we've ever had to.

1751
01:38:44,399 --> 01:38:48,600
Before and there's just so many different experiences like. That

1752
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,840
so WHEN i talk about self care with, CLIENTS i

1753
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,279
talk a lot about it has to be if it can,

1754
01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:58,920
be it should be something that either makes you feel,

1755
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:04,439
calm makes you feel more like, yourself or something that

1756
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,800
you can laugh. At and if it's not those, things

1757
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,000
then it's not really self. Care And i'm not one

1758
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:15,239
of those people who define self care AS i paid

1759
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:18,840
one thousand dollars to get all of the blood sucked

1760
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:20,600
out of my body and put back in or whatever the.

1761
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:25,319
Fuck i'm talking about things that you exactly. Like i'm

1762
01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:30,000
talking about things that really help you feel more grounded

1763
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,279
almost and really finding those. Things and it is, hard

1764
01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:35,000
don't get me. WRONG i talk to clients all the

1765
01:39:35,039 --> 01:39:37,600
time about how everybody talks about self. Care it's this,

1766
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,920
big fancy topic and nobody, says nobody helps you find

1767
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,479
what works for. You because it is a different it's

1768
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,520
going to be different it's going to be different for

1769
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,399
you than it is for. Me like SOMETIMES i color

1770
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,720
and watch something and that's very. Nice SOMETIMES i sew

1771
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,119
and watch stuff LIKE i have to be doing more

1772
01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:59,560
than one thing at once so that my brain doesn't

1773
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:03,319
get slipped. Out AND i think it's a good example

1774
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:08,239
of Why Abbot elementary has gotten so popular and everyone's

1775
01:40:08,279 --> 01:40:13,680
Like Abbit, elementary like it's this blip miracle, show And i'm, like,

1776
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,239
yeah because it's a new version of what we used

1777
01:40:17,239 --> 01:40:19,479
to have all the, time which is a, sitcom but

1778
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:24,520
not a, stupid like laugh tracky sitcom like, this just

1779
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,640
like a good, old like all feel, good thirty minute

1780
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,239
funny story that there is some depth and you care

1781
01:40:31,239 --> 01:40:34,880
about the. Characters but it's not. Heavy and that's not

1782
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:38,199
a brand new. Idea it's a revisiting of an old.

1783
01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:40,920
Idea It's parks and Rec it's The. Office it's like

1784
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,399
all these things that we've liked that we've kind of

1785
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:48,039
gotten away, from either because we've replaced with REALITY tv

1786
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:55,600
or WHAT i call dad, dramas which is breaking bad

1787
01:40:56,039 --> 01:40:59,119
shit like THAT hbo precige, television WHICH i love all

1788
01:40:59,159 --> 01:41:00,600
a lot of that. Shit LIKE i don't like DAD.

1789
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,840
Tv AS i call, it because that's WHERE i feel Like.

1790
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm sons Of. Anarchy, HONESTLY i try to watch.

1791
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,279
Speaker 1: This i've tried to Watch songs Of anarchy because Of

1792
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:15,960
Charlie hunnam horned so many times AND i. CAN i

1793
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:17,439
think the last TIME i made it all the way

1794
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,279
through season, one and that was hard BECAUSE i gotta

1795
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:23,319
be real and come at, me bro if you, want

1796
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:28,720
but the. Listener BUT i find those shows. Boring that's

1797
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,239
why when people Now i'm just want to rate right,

1798
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:32,079
now it's when people are Like house of The dragons,

1799
01:41:32,119 --> 01:41:36,279
Boring i'm, like it's always the same people who Say

1800
01:41:36,279 --> 01:41:38,359
house The dragons boring are the same people that watch

1801
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,760
all Of Breaking, bad all of The, ozarks all of

1802
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,159
these shows Where i'm, like you thought that was more

1803
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,239
exciting Than house of The, dragon where there are dragons

1804
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:50,079
and political drama and like intrigue and spy stuff and

1805
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,880
da da da. Dah but you like to look at

1806
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:55,239
a bunch of whatever looking people who look like my

1807
01:41:55,279 --> 01:42:01,279
neighbors talk at each other for sixty minutes a. Week

1808
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,119
don't missing with, that you? Know BUT i will, say

1809
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,960
what's actually funny about what you? Said? Ben ABOUT i

1810
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,600
don't like watching shows WHERE i feel LIKE i have to.

1811
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,199
WORK i do think that's how REALITY tv makes me

1812
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:15,760
feel WHEN i watch, Things like When i've seen clips

1813
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,960
of things Like Temptation island Or Love island or any

1814
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,279
of those, SHOWS i can't watch. Them and it's not

1815
01:42:21,359 --> 01:42:25,119
even me being like a pretentious, asshole BECAUSE i can't

1816
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:29,079
hate watching them, Either LIKE i get LIKE i feel

1817
01:42:29,079 --> 01:42:30,920
LIKE i can feel in my, bodies like my shoulders

1818
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,600
are goring to go up to my ears just thinking about.

1819
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,640
It AND i think that's BECAUSE i start thinking about

1820
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,600
them as people too, much And i'm, like this is,

1821
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,199
humiliating that's horrible to look. At oh my, god that's really.

1822
01:42:42,279 --> 01:42:44,680
Mean LIKE i start thinking about them as people too,

1823
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:46,680
much and ALSO i start thinking this show is so

1824
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,600
bad for, Them like how are they gonna be after

1825
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,239
they leave the? Show what is the producer? Saying the

1826
01:42:50,279 --> 01:42:53,560
mind is LIKE i get too caught up in them as,

1827
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,479
humans and how horrible for your mental health it must

1828
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,319
be to be in one of those. Settings and we

1829
01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:02,520
know it is because there's people who've like killed themselves

1830
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:07,399
after being on REALITY tv. Shows and if you want

1831
01:43:07,399 --> 01:43:09,239
to watch something of this show Called unreal that was On.

1832
01:43:09,319 --> 01:43:11,800
Lifetime that's a scripted show about a producer on A

1833
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,119
bacheorette like. Show and that show's really good and it

1834
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:16,479
talks about all this. Stuff actually it's very affirming to,

1835
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,600
watch AND i think that's what's so, interesting and that's

1836
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:22,520
WHY i can't watch those. Shows so this actually ties

1837
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,000
a connection for, Me ben THAT i can use later

1838
01:43:25,079 --> 01:43:27,039
on people ask me about REALITY, Tv i'll be like

1839
01:43:27,079 --> 01:43:30,319
those so feels like. Work LIKE i get sad WHEN

1840
01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:32,760
i watch those. Shows my brain doesn't turn. OFF i

1841
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:34,720
feel like it's a part of my brain that spikes

1842
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,479
AND i can't, relax like my whole body clenches.

1843
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 3: Up, nope can't do.

1844
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:43,079
Speaker 1: IT i feel exactly the same, way LIKE i don't

1845
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,119
need to watch people yell at each. OTHER i grew

1846
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:47,560
up with people yelling at each. OTHER i don't need

1847
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,000
to fucking watch people be mad at each other for

1848
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,159
what could be a totally made up reason by the,

1849
01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:55,279
Producer Like i'm, Not i'm just not interested in. That

1850
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:57,880
it's not. Fun you knowwhere? ELSE i can't watch shit with.

1851
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,159
THERAPISTS i won't do it. Anymore Besides Dr, warna my

1852
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:05,399
main GIRL a couple therapy AND i still haven't AND

1853
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,720
i still haven't watched. IT i think so like, maybe

1854
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:13,239
BUT i can't watch anything where therapist is, bad because

1855
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:16,479
in most, media therapists are bad And i'm sick of

1856
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,319
it AND i get so upset about it THAT i

1857
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:21,399
can't like. Shrinking everybody's, like, oh shrinking is so, good

1858
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:23,960
blah blah. Blah it might, be but you know, WHAT

1859
01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:26,760
i got three minutes into the first, EPISODE i was,

1860
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:30,520
like fuck this, Asshole i'm over. It I'M i, CAN'T

1861
01:44:31,279 --> 01:44:32,600
i can't do, it AND i won't do.

1862
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 2: It it's, understandable AND i think WHERE i feel like

1863
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:42,039
we're missing movies like this in media like this one

1864
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:48,279
is at no point do you really feel Like will's

1865
01:44:48,319 --> 01:44:48,920
not gonna make?

1866
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 1: It? Oh that's WHAT i love about Reading rams books sometimes,

1867
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,000
too As i'm, like no matter what HAPs to these two,

1868
01:44:56,119 --> 01:44:59,199
rascals they're gonna get together at the, end and it's, comforting,

1869
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,479
Right they're gonna bang and they're gonna oh and.

1870
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 2: They're gonna, believe and all of us are, like you,

1871
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,199
KNOW i just want someone to like me for, me

1872
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,840
LIKE i want to kind of win AND i kind

1873
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,520
of like to get laid AFTER i. Win in celebration

1874
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,239
of my win by someone who genuinely likes me for.

1875
01:45:18,359 --> 01:45:20,359
Me why is this hard for people to?

1876
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Understand that's such a good point, though like the comfort

1877
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,800
of a happy, ending like a guaranteed happy, ending so.

1878
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:28,600
Speaker 3: She, Said.

1879
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,359
Speaker 1: And you, know, however you, whatever what you mean is

1880
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,239
such A. Yeah it is WHY i like reading Like

1881
01:45:36,279 --> 01:45:39,920
Allie hazelwood and books like, that which are also popcorn.

1882
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:43,199
Books if you want to make that, connection IS i

1883
01:45:43,279 --> 01:45:45,840
intersperse them with the heavier BOOKS i read for that

1884
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:50,560
exact reason that it's nice to read something WHERE i

1885
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:55,359
don't have to worry about what's gonna. Happen, REALLY i

1886
01:45:55,399 --> 01:45:57,239
can just get caught up in it BECAUSE i know

1887
01:45:57,279 --> 01:45:59,439
it's gonna be a safe. Landing and you're right with

1888
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,760
like movies like, this there can be some suspense with

1889
01:46:02,319 --> 01:46:04,880
are they gonna get the? Girl is their friend gonna

1890
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:09,399
be mad at? Them? Whatever but like WHEN i was

1891
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:13,520
Watching nine Of Seven, KINGDOMS i was legit, like who's gonna?

1892
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,239
Die when are they gonna? Die like stressed. Out even

1893
01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:18,279
watching this movie when he wears the, VISOR i was,

1894
01:46:18,279 --> 01:46:20,039
like oh my, God like it's making me think of

1895
01:46:20,079 --> 01:46:22,720
the inside of advisor more like how it actually feels

1896
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,199
to be a night because that episode nine of The

1897
01:46:24,199 --> 01:46:29,880
Seven kingdoms From, inside which stressed OUT i Think i've

1898
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,760
ever been WATCHING tv that And welcome To, Dairy, Yeah

1899
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,319
welcome To. Darry's and that's you're, Right, LIKE i. Don't

1900
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,319
i'm enjoying how good the story, is BUT i don't

1901
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:41,279
know how MUCH i enjoy HOW i feel watching those,

1902
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:45,039
Things LIKE i think During welcome To, DAY i was

1903
01:46:45,079 --> 01:46:48,359
LIKE i almost couldn't take, It LIKE i, think, well

1904
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:50,000
hand ON i watched, together there was a moment WHERE

1905
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:54,199
i was, LIKE I i'm reaching my threshold and that's

1906
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,600
become what a lot OF tv. Is so you're, right

1907
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,439
like the promise of the premise of a happy ending

1908
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:00,239
is really.

1909
01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Nice it, is and a story where you know a

1910
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,479
person takes a chance and it pays off in a huge.

1911
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 3: Way we, haven't you.

1912
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:15,079
Speaker 2: KNOW i talked About Prince edward, much but someone seeing

1913
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,920
him that the speech he. Gives IF i knew nothing

1914
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,600
else about, you your men loving you would be.

1915
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 3: Enough AND i KNOW i said that the wrong.

1916
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 2: Order so for anybody that's gonna bust me on, THAT

1917
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,760
i know he starts with your men love, YOU i,

1918
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:31,920
know but to be seen just for that That william

1919
01:47:32,039 --> 01:47:34,800
is like the heart of this, group and that even

1920
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,920
when he's been put in the, stocks Which roland warned

1921
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:39,239
his ass the whole movie was.

1922
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 3: Gonna happen to.

1923
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 2: Him when that, happens they're still standing next to him

1924
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,079
with a, club ready to fight the entire crowd that

1925
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,760
wants to throw, vegetables and they're getting vegetables thrown at them,

1926
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,399
Too and it's in that moment when he gets, knighted you,

1927
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,680
know like in real, life that's not the way that

1928
01:47:58,680 --> 01:47:59,159
shit would have.

1929
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 3: Gone that would have gone.

1930
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 1: Bad, well, yeah watch That eye Of Seven kingdoms if

1931
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:05,239
you want to see how that probably would really.

1932
01:48:05,239 --> 01:48:06,199
Speaker 3: Go or we're in a brave.

1933
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Heart yeah for, Sure, yeah.

1934
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,239
Speaker 2: That's how it would have, gone but maybe not quite that,

1935
01:48:12,279 --> 01:48:18,039
bad but somewhere in that. Camp BUT i think looking

1936
01:48:18,079 --> 01:48:23,399
at what they did with this, movie it always stayed

1937
01:48:23,399 --> 01:48:24,079
within your window of.

1938
01:48:24,079 --> 01:48:25,520
Speaker 3: Tolerance it raised.

1939
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Your blood pressure a little bit for good and bad,

1940
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:32,920
reasons but it kept it in the happy. Camp and

1941
01:48:33,159 --> 01:48:36,079
they and they let you know right, away we're not

1942
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:38,640
taking ourselves too. Seriously and if that's what you were looking,

1943
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,640
for you're in the wrong. Place because they started out

1944
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,760
with Fucking queen and it was. Amazing and in the dance,

1945
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,520
scene they worked their way through like some kind of

1946
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,800
like loot music Into Bowie.

1947
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: HI i love that scene AND i love how it

1948
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,279
slowly turns into, them just like dancing at a. Club,

1949
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,920
yeah but you're, right like it sets a tone right

1950
01:49:00,119 --> 01:49:03,199
away of like this is the, movie take it or

1951
01:49:03,239 --> 01:49:04,800
leave it, Right let's have.

1952
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,279
Speaker 3: Fun let's have. Fun that's the whole point of it.

1953
01:49:07,319 --> 01:49:12,159
Speaker 2: Is we're here to have two hours of time where

1954
01:49:12,199 --> 01:49:14,800
we forget about our life and just enjoy a. Story

1955
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,239
AND i think we don't give ourselves that enough because

1956
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:20,800
we're in this golden era OF tv ever SINCE i

1957
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,439
don't know the, Sopranos like everything has to be this

1958
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:29,960
cultural and emotional impact and the betrayals and getting drawn

1959
01:49:30,039 --> 01:49:32,840
into the, story and you have to know the backstory

1960
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,840
of the characters and the whole story to know. It

1961
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,960
you can't just go to a fucking movie with a

1962
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:42,399
date or a group of friends where everybody has a

1963
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,680
different taste and everybody finds something they.

1964
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,159
Speaker 3: Like my wife likes this.

1965
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 2: MOVIE i could not get her to watch a fucking

1966
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:50,800
thing with knights in it IF i paid.

1967
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 3: Her and.

1968
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 2: Because this movie just fits in that exact pocket that

1969
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,239
you could take a date to it and they'd be

1970
01:49:59,239 --> 01:50:01,640
happy who that date, was no matter who you, were

1971
01:50:02,079 --> 01:50:05,880
because there's, fun there's beautiful, people there's beautiful, colors there's dope,

1972
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,840
music like there's an easy. Story it just takes you.

1973
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:11,039
Away AND i feel like that's a degree of self.

1974
01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:14,039
CARE i don't care what creates that for. You But,

1975
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,920
hannah you said, it like find the. Thing it doesn't

1976
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,279
matter what it. Is it makes you, laugh makes you,

1977
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,640
forget makes you feel like, you makes you. Happy, however

1978
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,760
you said that was, Beautiful like it's it's. That this

1979
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:27,319
movie is.

1980
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 3: That LIKE i think you know my wife AND i

1981
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,279
are a year. APART i, WAS i was.

1982
01:50:31,319 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 2: Sixteen this movie takes me back to a time BEFORE

1983
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:37,000
i realized the world was on fucking. Fire and it's just,

1984
01:50:37,079 --> 01:50:40,760
months but, remembering like there's a before and and after

1985
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,000
time probably Was september eleventh AND covid for.

1986
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,079
Speaker 3: MILLENNIALS i can't think of.

1987
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 2: Anything maybe The Big, short but like there's a before

1988
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,680
and after with like moments of like life changed after,

1989
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:55,680
that this was before all that this and maybe it

1990
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,479
was just BECAUSE i was, sixteen but can go back

1991
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,840
into time and like disappear into, this and my wife

1992
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:03,239
can do the same, thing like she goes back to

1993
01:51:03,279 --> 01:51:05,680
the time when, like hey He's, ledger.

1994
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,039
Speaker 3: Here's the it guy of the. Time He ledgers hout of.

1995
01:51:09,039 --> 01:51:10,880
SHIT i get, it, OKAY i loved.

1996
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: HIM i loved him so.

1997
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 2: Much and then you, know like you See Shannon saws

1998
01:51:15,039 --> 01:51:16,960
Of mine and go, like what's the. Problem there's no,

1999
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,800
Problem she's not getting kicked out of bed free and.

2000
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,920
Crackers there's no problem. Here everybody's. Happy there's something you

2001
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,560
want to look, at there's SOMETHING i want to look.

2002
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,479
At there's, fighting but there's, humor there's, heart there's, connection there's,

2003
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,640
romance there's, silliness there's.

2004
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 3: Love in all. Forms like this movie is perfect for.

2005
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 2: That AND i think finding popcorn movies that just don't

2006
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:43,520
take themselves too fucking serious can create a nice space

2007
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:47,079
to be in where we can just be happy for

2008
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,520
two hours and not think about the next fucking crazy

2009
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,319
leader of the world who's trying to light shit on.

2010
01:51:53,359 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 1: Fire, well BECAUSE i feel like we kind of did

2011
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,399
final thoughts in this proportion of, it and everyone knows

2012
01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:02,720
WHAT i feel about, IT i wonder if instead could

2013
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,680
we go around and does anyone have any like recommendations

2014
01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:08,039
of other popcorn movies that they really like that we

2015
01:52:08,079 --> 01:52:10,600
could recommend to people to. Watch because one that popped

2016
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,279
in my, head which is the more recent, one Is

2017
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,199
The Nice guys With Ryan gosling And Russell, crowe and

2018
01:52:16,199 --> 01:52:17,880
that one didn't do very well in, theaters but now

2019
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:21,479
it's kind of having a. RESURGENCE i keep seeing clips

2020
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:22,960
of it. ONLINE i don't know if it's Cause Ryan

2021
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,520
gosling is in the zeitgeist more again with Like barbie and,

2022
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,960
stuff but that's a movie THAT i think was really

2023
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,239
in that mid time where there wasn't anything like, it

2024
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:37,199
and that's a fun you, know shoot him, up Leathal

2025
01:52:37,239 --> 01:52:41,119
wepony kind of funny period piece that's just like there

2026
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:44,640
to have a good, Time barb And star go To

2027
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:48,119
visa Del. Mar that is one that is a movie

2028
01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:52,119
that is just fucking stupid and funny and silly and

2029
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:56,359
the and it's so fucking stupid and it is but

2030
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,319
LIKE i, AM i saw. It there's a deal for

2031
01:52:59,359 --> 01:53:01,239
it on am on right. Now i'm probably gonna bui

2032
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:07,000
ex it, suck and it was it came up and

2033
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:08,319
like as soon AS i saw it that it was,

2034
01:53:08,319 --> 01:53:09,439
on SO i was, like oh my, GOD i love

2035
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:13,560
that fucking movie because that movie is so fun to

2036
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,399
just watch and you're just dragged into this time that

2037
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,920
we don't really know what the time. Is you don't

2038
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,399
really know what what you're walking, into but it is

2039
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,119
so much. Fun and so that's a movie THAT i

2040
01:53:24,119 --> 01:53:24,840
would recommend to.

2041
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 2: People we almost watched that one last, night and almost

2042
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,880
we came, close and then like the singing was like

2043
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,000
neither of us were like in a spot for like

2044
01:53:36,039 --> 01:53:38,359
the singing kind of moments of, it the very Very.

2045
01:53:38,399 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 3: Broadway you have.

2046
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 1: To think of it like An Austin powers. Movie TRULY

2047
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,199
i get. It we truly you. Do and the singing

2048
01:53:46,279 --> 01:53:49,159
isn't as much as it they make it seem like it. Is, Sure,

2049
01:53:49,319 --> 01:53:51,039
also that was just that that.

2050
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:53,079
Speaker 2: Moment i'm not against you, know LIKE i go To

2051
01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:56,279
broadway shows, regularly you, know Like i'm here for. It

2052
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:58,600
my wife is a harder cell on That i'm. Not

2053
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:04,119
but the we ended up deciding On Game, night AND

2054
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:05,520
i don't know if you guys have seen, that BUT

2055
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:09,239
i feel like there's movies like that Like Game. Night

2056
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:12,479
AND i actually Used Horrible bosses in a session where

2057
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,479
UH i realized that in.

2058
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 3: All of our.

2059
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 2: Heads there's a motherfucker that knows the. Truth and sometimes

2060
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:25,119
that motherfucker sounds like Motherfucker. Jones It's Jamie fox telling

2061
01:54:25,159 --> 01:54:29,439
you the. Truth it's Motherfucker. Jones but like these movies

2062
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,600
like that were you just like walk in and you're just,

2063
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,800
like this is some stupid, shit but like you're here

2064
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,840
for it to be stupid. SHIT i feel like those

2065
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:42,039
two are great. Examples and The goonies Always The goonies is.

2066
01:54:42,079 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 1: Good Lisa frankenstein is these are. Ones another movie that

2067
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,640
didn't do woll in theaters BECAUSE i don't think we

2068
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:52,960
think about movies as just silly. Anymore that's maybe that

2069
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:56,880
came out in like twenty twenty four and Bombed Diablo cody.

2070
01:54:57,039 --> 01:55:00,239
Movies so it's got that kind of. Humor but that's

2071
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:04,760
another good one that's just like true silly. Bonkers it's

2072
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:08,840
about a girl in the eighties who you, Know. Frankenstein you,

2073
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:09,760
know it's a rip off Of.

2074
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:18,079
Speaker 2: Frankenstein finding that kind of, space like find whatever movie

2075
01:55:18,079 --> 01:55:20,840
it is that creates that for. You we're just like

2076
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:23,800
we had talked about, movies we were considering, them and

2077
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,520
then me and my buddy talked about. THEM i was, like,

2078
01:55:26,119 --> 01:55:28,000
OH i brought up like what is. It what's a

2079
01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,399
type of movie we've never? Done, like, man we've never

2080
01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:32,439
done a straight action, movie like all we should do

2081
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:33,880
The Rock and you two are.

2082
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:37,039
Speaker 3: Like is that a dad? MOVIE i was, like, yes,

2083
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:38,800
yeah yes it.

2084
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,079
Speaker 2: Is and then me and my buddy talked about it

2085
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:43,720
and we are, like, dude how good would it? Feel

2086
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,239
just like sit and watch this stupid ass movie Where

2087
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:51,560
Sean connery goes like you're a breshed, losers go home

2088
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,000
and whine about their best, winners go home and fuck

2089
01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:58,119
the prom, queen And Nick cage turns to him as

2090
01:55:58,119 --> 01:56:01,039
this fucking like science learned the f Like carla was

2091
01:56:01,079 --> 01:56:06,079
the prom. Queen it's it's fucking. Brilliant it's so. Dumb

2092
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,239
it's so. Dumb there's so but those. Movies you just watch,

2093
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:11,279
it like fuck, It we're going on an. Adventure like

2094
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:16,159
in that, Movie Sean connery is Basically James bond who's

2095
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:19,000
been locked up in like a black site prison for

2096
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:22,239
years and they go get him to go rescue prisoners

2097
01:56:22,479 --> 01:56:26,920
that a ROGUE Us marine general took at Fucking alcatraz

2098
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:27,600
and locked them.

2099
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 3: In it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy it's there's you just if you think about it too,

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much it falls.

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Speaker 3: Apart but like that or Con air Or Face, off Like.

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Speaker 1: National, Treasure Nationally good popcorn movie that's right down the

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middle popcorn, movie any of.

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Speaker 2: Those you watch those and you're, like none of this

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makes sense when you think about. It but the ride was,

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fun like we were missing that and so many things

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like The marvel movies Or Star wars movies or things

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that could be fun but have so much momentous pressure

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on them to be. More we're missing. That AND i

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feel like you just got a good list of some.

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Things just go watch and have, fun and that's. It

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there's nothing. More that's.

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Speaker 1: It everybody go to the. Movies, yes, PLEASE i love the. Movies,

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well on that, note we'll wrap up, here right because

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we all love this. Movie nothing more to say about.

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Speaker 3: That you have been, Waged.

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Speaker 1: I've been, measured and you've been found. Wanting oh, Wow

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i'm So i'm genuinely shocked THAT i said the right

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thing at the right. Time, Yes and on that, note,

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01:57:36,199 --> 01:57:38,520
yeah we'll wrap it up. Here as. Always you can

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can leave comments on podcast episodes That i've been reading

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Speaker 3: Wish we could we appreciate, you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah AND i WISH i could reply to them. Myself

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because one woman did write or one person did write

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underneath Our Bridget jones episode that they also relate To

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bridget too, much and they were, like don't, Worry, BRITTANY

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i feel you on. That so shout out to that

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so thank you all for, listening comment and let us

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know what your favorite popcorn movie is and we'll see

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at the. Movies you, Know, Heart Play, Heart what does she?

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Say heartbreak feels good, Placebok sure the fuck. Does by

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nine