Speaker 1: Oh, Fred of thes are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob, and
Speaker 2: uh Jacob. We're getting into some alien UFO type interdimensional ship.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it, baby, we all we are indeed,
Speaker 3: go ahead and give me the ability to share the
Speaker 3: screen real quick and let me paint the picture here
Speaker 3: for the good cult members. So, the concept of us
Speaker 3: living in a three dimensional world, right, we've had this
Speaker 3: talk before, and allegedly we have math that equates up
Speaker 3: until the thirteenth dimension, and we have talked about what
Speaker 3: does a fourth dimensional object look like to us?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: What would a three dimensional object look like to a
Speaker 3: two D figure if it was possible to have a
Speaker 3: sentient two D figure. Well, apparently this is not a
Speaker 3: nuanced concept. Apparently they have been thinking this way since
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds. As a matter of fact, have you
Speaker 3: ever heard of a book called Flatland?
Speaker 2: Flatland?
Speaker 3: No? Okay, So this is a mathematical brain teaser fictional
Speaker 3: story that was written about in Elizabethan, England, and it
Speaker 3: was written to kind of shit on the cast system
Speaker 3: of the day and age. But then when you break
Speaker 3: it down and you look at it for the possible
Speaker 3: metaphors that are within it. It opens the world to
Speaker 3: unlimited possibilities. Brother, So look, got a couple of quick
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Speaker 3: All right, So with that being said, got a couple
Speaker 3: of quick little clips are gonna play, and then we're
Speaker 3: gonna talk about the inter dimensional everything, and then I'll
Speaker 3: explain how and why that led to a UFO story
Speaker 3: from West Virginia. But all right, I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about Flatland.
Speaker 5: Did you know that math was used to roast Victorian society?
Speaker 5: Welcome to Maths from the Past. In his book Flatlands,
Speaker 5: Edwin Abbottbbit uses mathematics to do just that, critique the
Speaker 5: supposedly rational Victorian society. The book's hero A Squared, lives
Speaker 5: in the fictional world of Flatland, a two dimensional plane
Speaker 5: inhabited by different geometric figures, each corresponding to their place
Speaker 5: in Flatland's social hierarchical order. One dimensional lines represent women,
Speaker 5: triangles represent the working class, squares and pentagons represent gentlemen,
Speaker 5: and all the polygons with more than six sides represent nobility.
Speaker 5: This structure reflects nineteenth century Victorian England. Abbot himself strongly
Speaker 5: advocated for a broad and equal education for women. Using mass,
Speaker 5: Abbot made fun of the rigid class structure of Victorian
Speaker 5: society and attempted to show just how useful literary analogies
Speaker 5: can be to represent social issues.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the really, really really condensed off of
Speaker 3: a condensed spark notes literary tale of of Flatland. Right,
Speaker 3: So that was his intent as far as to showcase
Speaker 3: what was wrong with Victorian England. Now, let's explain a
Speaker 3: little deeper about what that book was like, what was
Speaker 3: in the book and how this ties into possible interdimensional
Speaker 3: beings coming from the fourth dimension to our third dimension
Speaker 3: that we might call aliens.
Speaker 2: Oh, a little ted talk, Let's go, baby, bro.
Speaker 4: Let's listen in here.
Speaker 6: We live in a three dimensional world where everything has length, width,
Speaker 6: and height. But what if our world were two dimensional?
Speaker 6: We would be squashed down to occupy a single plane
Speaker 6: of existence geometrically speaking, of course, and what would that
Speaker 6: world look and feel like? This is the premise of
Speaker 6: Edwin Abbott's eighteen eighty four novella flat Land. Flatland is
Speaker 6: a fun mathematical thought experiment that follows the trials and
Speaker 6: tribulations of a square exposed to the third dimension. But
Speaker 6: what is a dimension anyway? For our purpose, a dimension
Speaker 6: is a direction which we can picture as a line.
Speaker 6: For our direction to be a dimension, it has to
Speaker 6: be at right angles to all other dimensions. So a
Speaker 6: one dimensional space is just a line. A two dimensional
Speaker 6: space is defined by two perpendicular lines, which describe a
Speaker 6: flat plane like a piece of paper, and a three
Speaker 6: dimensional space adds a third perpendicular line, which gives us
Speaker 6: height and the world we're familiar with. So what about
Speaker 6: four dimensions and five and eleven? Where do we put
Speaker 6: these new perpendicular lines? This is where flat Land can
Speaker 6: help us. Let's look at our square protagonist's world. Flat
Speaker 6: Land is populated by geometric shapes ranging from isosceles triangles
Speaker 6: take wilateral triangles, to squares, pentagons, hexagons all the way
Speaker 6: up to circles. These shapes are all scurrying around a
Speaker 6: flat world, living their flat lives. They have a single
Speaker 6: eye on the front of their faces, and let's see
Speaker 6: what the world looks like from their perspective. They see
Speaker 6: is essentially one dimension a line, but an act.
Speaker 3: Now real quick, I find this to be interesting, right,
Speaker 3: So this little line here is basically the one slit
Speaker 3: that they can visualize on their two dimensional plane. The
Speaker 3: only way they can tell what the shape is in
Speaker 3: front of them is based off of like the depth
Speaker 3: around it. They can tell a circle from a triangle
Speaker 3: from a square.
Speaker 2: But that's it right in the color.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think they did the color more for
Speaker 3: the for the visual representation here, but yes, or to
Speaker 3: your point, And this is why and how things get
Speaker 3: so fascinating.
Speaker 2: So this is what is this what ants would see?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Well, ants do live in the three dimensional realm, so
Speaker 3: they're more looking down and looking up. So this only
Speaker 3: worked for two dimensional It's like, like I said, it's
Speaker 3: complete thought experiment.
Speaker 4: So to speak.
Speaker 2: So two dimensional the thing would be like drawing a
Speaker 2: stick figure on a piece of paper and animating it exactly.
Speaker 3: The stick figure can only see what's on the paper.
Speaker 3: He doesn't see himself from the paper looking down at himself.
Speaker 3: There's no depth, there's only linked in width.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, you know, because they like to do that
Speaker 2: a lot, and like so like older books and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, like fictional fairy tales and princess stories like that,
Speaker 2: you know, and if you look at it from that perspective,
Speaker 2: those if those characters were real, right, they would only
Speaker 2: be able to see what's in front of them or
Speaker 2: behind them kind of thing. I don't know, that's just
Speaker 2: how my mind's I'm I'm trying to imagine what it
Speaker 2: would be like to live in that world, and you
Speaker 2: would only see it in two dimensions, so that would
Speaker 2: be an interesting thought.
Speaker 3: So this is when things kind of go sideways. For
Speaker 3: our protagonist, Square.
Speaker 6: Bro closer objects are brighter, and that's how they see depth.
Speaker 6: So a triangle looks different from a square, looks different
Speaker 6: from a circle, and so on. Their brains cannot comprehend
Speaker 6: the third dimension, and in fact, they vehemently deny its
Speaker 6: existence because it's simply not part of their world or experience.
Speaker 6: But all they need, as it turns out, is a
Speaker 6: little boost. One day, a sphere shows up in Flatland
Speaker 6: to visit our Square hero. Here's what it looks like
Speaker 6: when the sphere passes through flatland from the square's perspective,
Speaker 6: and this blows.
Speaker 4: Do you see that?
Speaker 3: So the sphere goes through the two D world and
Speaker 3: it looks small, then gets bigger, then gets smaller, and
Speaker 3: they could tell that it's round. But how is it
Speaker 3: all of those shapes getting smaller and bigger at the
Speaker 3: same time. That doesn't even make sense in their two
Speaker 3: dimensional realm.
Speaker 2: This is I can already see where this is going
Speaker 2: to go in oer dimension.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see where I'm going with this, bro, especially.
Speaker 2: With all the orbs and the tig tax and all
Speaker 2: that kind of shit, Like how it just manipulates this
Speaker 2: reality and our eyes don't even know what the fuck
Speaker 2: it is what we're looking out looking at rather like
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's starting to make
Speaker 2: sense now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again this was in the eighteen hundreds. This
Speaker 3: dude wrote this book just to shit on the nobility
Speaker 3: class and the educated versus of the working class.
Speaker 4: That was his whole premise here.
Speaker 3: But my god, did he stumble upon in some very
Speaker 3: thought provoking things here.
Speaker 4: But I digress. Let's continue his little square mind.
Speaker 6: Then the sphere lifts the Square into the third dimension,
Speaker 6: the height direction where no flat lander has gone before,
Speaker 6: and shows him his whirl. From up here, the square
Speaker 6: can see everything, the shapes of buildings, all the precious
Speaker 6: gems hidden in the earth, and even the insides of
Speaker 6: his friends, which is probably pretty awkward. Once the hapless
Speaker 6: Square comes to terms with a third dimension, he begs
Speaker 6: his host to help him visit the fourth and higher dimensions.
Speaker 6: That the sphere bristles at the mere suggestion of dimensions
Speaker 6: higher than three and exiles the Square back to flat land.
Speaker 2: Now, the Sphere's indignation is understandable.
Speaker 6: The fourth dimension is very difficult to reconcile with our
Speaker 6: experience of the world. Short of being lifted into the
Speaker 6: fourth dimension by a visiting hypercube, we can't experience it.
Speaker 3: So as we're still talking about this, you literally just
Speaker 3: showed a two dimensional figure that the third is real,
Speaker 3: and of course his next thought would be, take me
Speaker 3: to the fourth dimension. Bro, The sphere of media is like,
Speaker 3: that doesn't even exist. Bro, No, you're not ready, you're
Speaker 3: not even ready for the third whatever. He shuts him down,
Speaker 3: He throws him back, and then the spheres over here,
Speaker 3: contemplating his whole life like, what even is the fourth?
Speaker 3: There's no way there's a fourth. You just showed it
Speaker 3: this guy that the second to the third is real.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't the third of the fourth be real?
Speaker 2: Oh? Why is this making me feel emotional? You know,
Speaker 2: like this is some next level shit because we know
Speaker 2: that we have limitations, Like we know that we can't
Speaker 2: see everything that is, we only have access too point
Speaker 2: one percent of the light spectrum. We only like literally
Speaker 2: our bodies. Dude, you want to hear a crazy fact.
Speaker 2: I just heard this the other day. So you know,
Speaker 2: atoms are ninety nine point nine percent to empty space,
Speaker 2: and so everything that everything else that it is is
Speaker 2: everything that we see physical, right, And so here's something
Speaker 2: that's crazy. So if if an atom is ninety nine
Speaker 2: point nine percent empty and you're made up of atoms,
Speaker 2: as is everything else, that means that if you were
Speaker 2: to take away the ninety nine point nine percent empty
Speaker 2: space that you are and compress it down into a
Speaker 2: tiny grain of sand, that tiny grain of sand that
Speaker 2: is left over from you that isn't empty space would
Speaker 2: weigh the same exact amount If a tiny grain of
Speaker 2: sand that is you would weigh the same exact amount
Speaker 2: that you are right now compared to whenever you were,
Speaker 2: just the empty space, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 4: I guess the atomic mass that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's still the same amount of protons, neutrons and electrons,
Speaker 3: just condensed down, condensed down, all the vacant space sucked out,
Speaker 3: So yeah, it would just be a super tense grain
Speaker 3: of sand essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, what the fuck? You know? It's like it's
Speaker 2: you know, there's like heavier, heavier metals and lighter metals,
Speaker 2: like lead is always going to weigh more than aluminium,
Speaker 2: for example, And I don't know it's because you know,
Speaker 2: you go and pick up like a gold bar compared
Speaker 2: to a piece of tinfoil. You know, even if it's
Speaker 2: even if they're the same shape and seemingly the same
Speaker 2: exact object, it's gonna be a massive difference. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 3: You're onto something that's density, right, And this is why
Speaker 3: I get upset when people are like gravity and density
Speaker 3: are the same things, Like no, not at all. A
Speaker 3: one by one inch cube of aluminum and a one
Speaker 3: by one by one cubic inch of zinc or zinc
Speaker 3: that's probably close enough. Lead steel tungsten. They weigh completely different.
Speaker 3: That's not gravity, that would be density. That's what that is, right,
Speaker 3: It's volume over mass.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it has nothing to do with the magnetic fielding.
Speaker 3: To do with the magnetic field or gravity or the
Speaker 3: Earth's pull on you, like.
Speaker 2: It's the electromagnetism, right right, right, So all right, So
Speaker 2: back to this though, So you see that he's already
Speaker 2: the sphere.
Speaker 3: Is questioning all of his existence with the mere thought
Speaker 3: of a fourth dimension. Except we do know what a
Speaker 3: fourth dimensional shape can look like, because remember they said earlier,
Speaker 3: it's about perpendicular lines. So a line segment would be
Speaker 3: the one D two line segments perpendicular to each other,
Speaker 3: making like a square.
Speaker 4: That would be a two D.
Speaker 3: A third perpendicular dimension would be height weight or I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: linked with and height.
Speaker 4: That would be the third dimension.
Speaker 3: Right, there is, at least per our current human understanding,
Speaker 3: a way to make a fourth set of perpendicular lines.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that we always thought that
Speaker 2: we lived in the third dimension, but that's actually not true.
Speaker 2: We live in the fourth dimension because and I'm not
Speaker 2: going woo woo, this is like what they agree to.
Speaker 2: So we are third dimensional objects, but we live in
Speaker 2: the fourth dimension, the fourth dimension being time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with.
Speaker 2: That because we we live in time, we experience time.
Speaker 2: We can I'm not gonna say we can manipulate time,
Speaker 2: but I mean you can speed up, go slower, go faster.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's there's just the whole time thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know a whole lot about whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to dimensions and shit like that, but I just thought that,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's an interesting concept because now you're
Speaker 2: not talking about adding another layer to reality. You're just
Speaker 2: adding another concept to this reality that lays on top
Speaker 2: of it being time.
Speaker 3: So now I'm curious because once I finished this video,
Speaker 3: I want to hear what your take is on the
Speaker 3: fourth dimension possibly being time, because we've talked about that
Speaker 3: before and I'm not a physicist. I am not smart
Speaker 3: enough or wise enough to weigh in on it. But
Speaker 3: they do show a fourth dimensional shape on here in
Speaker 3: a second, and I don't know if that fourth dimension
Speaker 3: would be time or what they would.
Speaker 4: Call this, but here we go.
Speaker 3: So back to the sphere over here contemplating his life
Speaker 3: right but.
Speaker 2: We can get close.
Speaker 6: You'll recall that when the sphere first visited the second dimension,
Speaker 6: while he looked like a series of circles that started
Speaker 6: as a point, when he touched flatland, grew bigger until
Speaker 6: he was halfway through, and then shrank smaller again. We
Speaker 6: can think of this visit as a series of two
Speaker 6: D cross sections of a three D object. Well, we
Speaker 6: can do the same thing in the third dimension with
Speaker 6: a four dimensional object. Let's say that a hypersphere is
Speaker 6: the forty equivalent of a three D sphere. When the
Speaker 6: forty object passes through the third dimension, it'll look something
Speaker 6: like this. Let's look at one more way of representing
Speaker 6: a four dimensional object. Let's say we have a point
Speaker 6: a zero dimensional shape. Now we extended out one inch,
Speaker 6: and we have a one dimensional line segment. Extend the
Speaker 6: whole line segment by an inch, and we get a
Speaker 6: two D square. Take the whole square and extend it
Speaker 6: out one inch, and we get a three D cube.
Speaker 2: You can see where we're going with this.
Speaker 6: Take the whole cube and extend it out one inch,
Speaker 6: this time perpendicular to all three existing directions.
Speaker 2: And we get a four D hypercube, also called a tesseract.
Speaker 6: For all we know, there could be four dimensional life
Speaker 6: forms somewhere out there, occasionally poking their heads into our
Speaker 6: bustling three D world and wondering what all the fuss
Speaker 6: is about. In fact, there could be whole other four
Speaker 6: dimensional worlds beyond our detection, hidden from us forever by
Speaker 6: the nature of our perception.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: That's correct. Slash hypercube.
Speaker 3: That is a four dimensional shape, not an object, not
Speaker 3: a living entity, nothing like that, but at least what
Speaker 3: we can put on paper to try to describe what
Speaker 3: we're talking about here, a fourth dimensional sheep.
Speaker 2: Dude, have you ever seen a test er act, like
Speaker 2: a video of a tests ract, Like that's a cool one,
Speaker 2: but they actually have like these objects that you can
Speaker 2: buy that they're all mirrors in light, but it's in
Speaker 2: it is a test eract. It's a cube within a
Speaker 2: cube kind of thing, and holy shit, it's like going
Speaker 2: into like the Madhouse of Mirrors at a circus. It's
Speaker 2: crazy because there's so much depth and it seemingly looks
Speaker 2: like it could go on forever. And that is some
Speaker 2: really chrippy shit to be looking at that. And so
Speaker 2: whenever you look at all reality as just a sheet
Speaker 2: in the entire fabric of reality, and then you can
Speaker 2: start to look at all the different sheets that make
Speaker 2: up the entire fabric of reality. That's essentially the test Eract,
Speaker 2: which is the fourth dimensional object. Now that being said,
Speaker 2: so I found something over here, and because I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, every time you disagree with me, it
Speaker 2: makes me It makes me question if I'm bullshiting or not.
Speaker 2: So I just want to throw this out there. It
Speaker 2: says yes. The fourth dimension is often considered time, which
Speaker 2: is essential for describing events in the context of space time,
Speaker 2: where three spatial dimensions are combined with time. This concept
Speaker 2: is fundamental in physics, particularly in Einstein's theory of relativity.
Speaker 2: Now that being said, the it's here's here's the deal.
Speaker 3: So I'm disagreeing. Like I said, I don't know enough
Speaker 3: to weigh in. We have talked about it before, the
Speaker 3: fourth dimension being time. This makes sense out loud. I
Speaker 3: just don't understand how that makes sense to a Tesseract
Speaker 3: or to a hypercube. That fourth dimension the one more
Speaker 3: inch out perpendicularly, how is that time. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that means just bullshit. I'm saying I'm not smart enough.
Speaker 2: So here's the if I'm comprehending this correctly, I believe
Speaker 2: that we are whenever I say we, oh god, this
Speaker 2: is going to get super deep and probably a little
Speaker 2: uh all over the place. So I believe that we
Speaker 2: are fourth dimensional beings that are living in the third dimension.
Speaker 2: So we we may live in the fourth dimension, but
Speaker 2: we can only observe the third dimension up to the
Speaker 2: third dimension. And I believe that that's how it goes
Speaker 2: everywhere on up. So if you're a third dimensional person,
Speaker 2: maybe you would only experience the second dimension, you know,
Speaker 2: and vice versa. If you're a fifth dimensional person, maybe
Speaker 2: you only experience the fourth dimension. It's like there's limitations
Speaker 2: and capabilities. It's like capped off that doesn't allow you
Speaker 2: to be able to exceed farther beyond that. And this
Speaker 2: is why you know, people look at like spiritual people
Speaker 2: or psychics. I know there's a lot of Charlatan's and
Speaker 2: shit out there. These are the people that are seemingly
Speaker 2: I say that very lightly, seemingly connected to this other dimension,
Speaker 2: which allows them to have the aspect of viewing beyond
Speaker 2: what's just right in front of them.
Speaker 3: Okay, so and I'm not. I don't want to come
Speaker 3: off as disrespectful.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I want your opinion on that, because
Speaker 2: I don't know either.
Speaker 3: So aside from all right, all right, the ones that
Speaker 3: are able to astra project right, or see the future,
Speaker 3: or talk to the dead or something like that, perfect,
Speaker 3: those all are still within the realm of three dimensional
Speaker 3: or at least when I say they're our current understanding
Speaker 3: of reality and life. They may be tapping into something
Speaker 3: that we can't explain or understand, but they're still viewing
Speaker 3: a three dimensional object, or they're talking to a person
Speaker 3: that walks in this three.
Speaker 2: Perfect you lay that out perfectly. Okay, So yes, they
Speaker 2: are only experiencing that, but they're also they also have
Speaker 2: that other tool called time that that is with them.
Speaker 2: So whenever you're astra projecting, it allows you to see
Speaker 2: this material reality, but all throughout all the different times.
Speaker 2: So the people that are that are astra projecting, or
Speaker 2: you know, the CIA was doing this shit, I'm sure
Speaker 2: they still are. Whenever they were able to, they were
Speaker 2: able to remote view. Remote viewing is that concept you
Speaker 2: are able to see a place, yes, in the third
Speaker 2: dimensional physical reality, but in a different time, and so
Speaker 2: that's where that time being the fourth dimension comes in,
Speaker 2: where you have access to it maybe if you get
Speaker 2: into a meditative state or whatever, but physically you don't
Speaker 2: have access to it.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I could see, I see, But it's also
Speaker 3: not like you're time jumping like, well, I guess they
Speaker 3: kind of are, right, So, like I mean, the CIA
Speaker 3: group that did that, they were looking at like the
Speaker 3: Soviet test site for nukes, right, and the guy had
Speaker 3: like a water tower that wasn't there, But when you
Speaker 3: go back forty years prior, they did have a water
Speaker 3: tower there.
Speaker 4: So like he was kind of time jumping in a.
Speaker 2: Row exactly, and that would be messing around in the
Speaker 2: fourth dimension, and that's where time would be the fourth
Speaker 2: dimension in that sense. It's not like that movie Click
Speaker 2: with Adam Sandler. He has the remote and he can
Speaker 2: fast forward, and it's that's not how that works. That's
Speaker 2: not how the fourth dimension would work, because that's still
Speaker 2: in real time according to him in his reality. See
Speaker 2: you know what I'm trying to say here, And that's
Speaker 2: why they say, like the whole concept of going to
Speaker 2: the past, right or going to the future or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's why the movie Back to the future doesn't add up.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. It's not what would happen, Like
Speaker 2: if you were to go back hypothetically speaking, if you
Speaker 2: could go back in time literally physically and stay there,
Speaker 2: that's not a possibility. Like you're not able to do that.
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, I don't know, I could be
Speaker 2: totally wrong, but as I understand it, that's completely impossible. Now,
Speaker 2: you can go back there, maybe temporarily through some kind
Speaker 2: of meditative experience or something like that, but you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to stay there.
Speaker 4: And I just the CIA.
Speaker 3: We've talked about that group that did the Astra projection
Speaker 3: and apparently they found things.
Speaker 4: They talked about things under the pyramids.
Speaker 3: Well, no, that was the guy that said that, wouldn't
Speaker 3: associate with the CIA group. But then later they claimed
Speaker 3: that they found the Arc of the Covenant. They later
Speaker 3: claimed they found this, and they found this, and they
Speaker 3: found this. Then when that group was audited by themselves,
Speaker 3: they found that they were ninety eight percent accurate.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, no shit.
Speaker 3: The IRS would also find that it was ninety eight
Speaker 3: percent accurate on all of its findings that the IRS audited.
Speaker 2: The IRS, sure, but I guess the point is whether
Speaker 2: they were doing it correctly or incorrectly. That is how
Speaker 2: you would do it, you know. And I'm sure that
Speaker 2: it's like a learned thing, like you can't I don't
Speaker 2: know if you can just like wake up one day
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, I'm gonna go do this without
Speaker 2: any specific kind of training, you might accidentally get there.
Speaker 2: You might go there without trying hypothetically like I was
Speaker 2: able to ask or project, not even trying, just you know,
Speaker 2: it was a sleep paralysis kind of thing. And so
Speaker 2: and that's interesting as well because whenever you get into
Speaker 2: the whole sleep paralysis kind of stuff, that's interesting because
Speaker 2: you're in the three D world. You know, you're in
Speaker 2: Your physical body is in the three D world, but
Speaker 2: you don't have access to your three D body. You
Speaker 2: can't move it. And that's why a lot of people
Speaker 2: that do have sleep paralysis if they don't let their
Speaker 2: emotions take control of them and go into an absolute
Speaker 2: state of fear. And I know that that is way
Speaker 2: easier said than done because we're so attached to these
Speaker 2: physical bodies. But if instead instead of you going into
Speaker 2: an absolute state of fear, you say, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me try and see if I can ask for
Speaker 2: project let me try and get up out of this body.
Speaker 2: Because you're no longer it gives off the idea that
Speaker 2: you're not attached to your body. And if you're not
Speaker 2: attached to your body, maybe it makes it a little
Speaker 2: bit easier to get outside of your body. Now, is
Speaker 2: that experiencing reality in the fourth dimension? I think it
Speaker 2: would be possibly.
Speaker 3: But then same example with the spear in the square, right,
Speaker 3: this fear pretty much picked the square up and showed
Speaker 3: him every thing. But it's not like the square could
Speaker 3: have existed in the Spheer's world. No, he didn't have
Speaker 3: the ability to. Even if he would have like not
Speaker 3: put him back in flat land, if he would have
Speaker 3: brought him to the realm of the sphere whatever that
Speaker 3: was right, and sat him down that park bench next
Speaker 3: to him, the square would only be able to perceive
Speaker 3: the world through that one slit three dimension or not.
Speaker 4: It just wouldn't make sense to him, right.
Speaker 2: But we are talking about physical abilities here. So whenever
Speaker 2: people talk about how they were you know, we've had
Speaker 2: people on the show before talking about how they were abducted.
Speaker 2: Remember there was that lady that came on the show.
Speaker 2: She talked about how she was abducted and it would
Speaker 2: usually happen whenever she went to sleep, because she was
Speaker 2: being abducted in her dreams, and she said it was
Speaker 2: repetitive and it seemed just like daily life, and that's
Speaker 2: what made her to believe that she was actually being abducted. Which,
Speaker 2: to be honest, in this you know, concept of what
Speaker 2: we're talking about actually does make a lot more sense
Speaker 2: because you're not bringing your physical body with you. So
Speaker 2: if you're being abducted by a higher dimensional being, let's
Speaker 2: just say, I'm not gonna say it's angel alien, whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck. Let's just say it's a fucking Tesseract that
Speaker 2: you're being abducted by. For example, right, your physical body
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to go there because your physical body
Speaker 2: has a brain and as you know, uh, electrons and
Speaker 2: all this kind of shit that it it has amazing
Speaker 2: I mean, the human body is amazing construct, but it
Speaker 2: has its limitations, right, right, and so your physical body
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to go and experience that extra dimensional reality. However,
Speaker 2: your mind is not limited to those things.
Speaker 4: I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Your mind does not have the same limitations that your
Speaker 2: body does.
Speaker 3: Right, Like the human ear can only hear a certain
Speaker 3: level of frequencies. There's a spectrum there that we can hear.
Speaker 3: There are tones that we can't hear of the high
Speaker 3: side and the low side. Like you said, we only
Speaker 3: see one percent of the light spectrum, right, So our
Speaker 3: physical bodies don't have the ability to perceive the fourth
Speaker 3: dimensional world.
Speaker 4: Even if we were there.
Speaker 2: But our brain, well, no, beyond our brain, we're talking
Speaker 2: about our soul, our spirit or subconscious or whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, Like whatever that inner you is
Speaker 2: has the capability of experiencing the fourth dimension.
Speaker 4: I feel this.
Speaker 3: I feel this, So okay, good cult members. This is
Speaker 3: what started my rabbit hole. As I was just kind
Speaker 3: of looking through some things, found this flat land thing
Speaker 3: and as soon as I saw this, I was like, oh, man, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: simply have to talk about this. But then it led
Speaker 3: me to a story about a specific UFO and alien encounter.
Speaker 3: And as this is going to kind of take a
Speaker 3: left turn, don't get me wrong, I also before we
Speaker 3: get to that, could this realistically be the tic TACs
Speaker 3: that we.
Speaker 4: Are observing, the orbs that we are observing.
Speaker 2: You can definitely make a case for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 3: Take away invaders from Mars or from another galaxy or
Speaker 3: something like that. What's to say that these entities aren't
Speaker 3: here right now living on a fourth dimensional type of Earth.
Speaker 4: It probably doesn't even look like our Earth.
Speaker 3: It may not be the same shape, may have a
Speaker 3: whole different periodic table.
Speaker 4: What even is the periodic table to a fourth dimensional entity?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Put it to whatever brain teaser and mind bender you
Speaker 3: want to put it on. But if a fourth dimensional
Speaker 3: living entity was to pass through our three dimensional realm,
Speaker 3: what would that even look like?
Speaker 4: Right? Could it possibly look.
Speaker 3: Like a orb that kind of comes in at a
Speaker 3: certain point and then goes away at a certain point.
Speaker 4: Because same with the with the sphere in Flatland.
Speaker 3: It got it was smaller, it got bigger, and then
Speaker 3: it got smaller and it passed through, and that was
Speaker 3: just mind blowing to the square. What would it look
Speaker 3: like if a living testaer act passed through our third
Speaker 3: dimensional existence? It would be beyond comprehension.
Speaker 2: This is about to get very scientific, which I do love,
Speaker 2: especially whenever we're talking about math and shapes and all
Speaker 2: this kind of shit. But I think also very philosophical
Speaker 2: as well. And so I want to ask you a
Speaker 2: question because I think that if you frame a question
Speaker 2: in a certain sense, it might help you understand it
Speaker 2: in another sense. So let me give you an example.
Speaker 2: So that's fear that just went in that video do
Speaker 2: we just watch? It was a sphere. It was a
Speaker 2: fucking third dimensional object, right, And it was looking down
Speaker 2: at the square, which was just a four sided square,
Speaker 2: no depth or anything to it. Right, It was just basically,
Speaker 2: I score a piece of paper. That's fear that wanted
Speaker 2: to show that square that there exists a third dimension.
Speaker 2: Why do you think he did that? Like, why would
Speaker 2: you do that to a second dimensional entity?
Speaker 5: They?
Speaker 3: I'm sure in the book they break it down. I
Speaker 3: haven't read the book. It is like eighty four pages long.
Speaker 3: It's not a thick read by any means. But even still,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they really explain it, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, because again, the author wrote this as
Speaker 3: a way to roast the royal class and nobility. He
Speaker 3: didn't write it to be a theoretical physics thought provoking thing.
Speaker 2: Oh that was just a happenstance.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so I mean, and but he also was
Speaker 3: an educator, So like maybe that was also a part
Speaker 3: of it, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think that was his point. It's kind of
Speaker 4: like that book The Jungle.
Speaker 3: He wrote it to show how hard this worker's life
Speaker 3: was living or working in a meat factory, and instead
Speaker 3: when the public read it, all they could get couldn't
Speaker 3: get over was the unsafe and disgusting environment that their
Speaker 3: food is being processed in. Right, A direct quote from
Speaker 3: that author is, I aim for America's heart, but I
Speaker 3: hit their stomach. So I don't know if the writer
Speaker 3: of Flatland intentionally meant to make it a theoretical physics conversation, but.
Speaker 4: Here we are. I mean he could have why the
Speaker 4: spear did it?
Speaker 2: It seems like he was a pretty in depth kind
Speaker 2: of dude, which I do admire. So, but just going
Speaker 2: back to I not what the book says. I want
Speaker 2: to know what you what you think is so? So,
Speaker 2: if a sphere is going into and showing itself to
Speaker 2: a second dimensional entity, why why would it do that? Well,
Speaker 2: it has nothing to gain. It's not gonna take anything
Speaker 2: materially because that material world has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: his material world.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess for the for the theory within
Speaker 3: the book. It'd be kind of like, you know, to
Speaker 3: just show him that you no, the thirty dimension exists
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent. Like it's not even like I
Speaker 3: could just show you real quick, let's go kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was necessarily to uh, because this
Speaker 3: guy the Square, when he goes back to his realm
Speaker 3: of flat land, he can't tell anybody about this.
Speaker 2: Even if he did, he would, Yeah, he would be crazy.
Speaker 2: He would be considered like in jail.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the book is written from
Speaker 3: the square from the prison cell. Oh and there we
Speaker 3: go right now, I mean a prison cell of that
Speaker 3: realm anyway. I don't know if that's like their version
Speaker 3: of insane asylum or what, but like, you're not doing
Speaker 3: it to better his life. You're not doing it to
Speaker 3: give him some in or give him some wisdom, or
Speaker 3: give him some knowledge he can bring back and share
Speaker 3: with his world to make it a better place. And
Speaker 3: like these people be able to become better because of it.
Speaker 4: It's not even like that.
Speaker 3: It's not an option, right, So I don't know why
Speaker 3: an entity would do that. Why do alien abductions happen?
Speaker 3: Why would you even do that to a person knowing
Speaker 3: that they can't do anything with this information when they
Speaker 3: get back.
Speaker 2: Is it possibly that the sphere wanted to show the
Speaker 2: square that there exists other dimensions just to I don't
Speaker 2: even know what would he do that for? And my
Speaker 2: thing is actually I think I know why, because you
Speaker 2: were bringing up well, how could he apply this to
Speaker 2: his life and how could he bring this information to
Speaker 2: his world? And would it benefit him in any kind
Speaker 2: of way materially No, physically, No, absolutely no. There's nothing
Speaker 2: you can do with that information. Like you're not going
Speaker 2: to make money off of it, you're not going to
Speaker 2: build off of it.
Speaker 3: But the only thing you couldn't do anything with that
Speaker 3: because it's not like you could start a new movement
Speaker 3: or a new like That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's what I'm trying to say. It's for the individual,
Speaker 2: it like, because you know, it's like the great men
Speaker 2: in Black quote. You know, it's like the individual was bright,
Speaker 2: it's very smart, it's curious and has a very free spirit.
Speaker 2: But the masses the group are crazy. Those people, anybody
Speaker 2: operating within a group is never going to be able
Speaker 2: to figure out what the individual can figure out and
Speaker 2: it's never going to be able to understand it from
Speaker 2: the individual's perspective. So maybe what the sphere was trying
Speaker 2: to do was trying to show the individual not worried
Speaker 2: about the masses. Maybe each individual would have that experience
Speaker 2: if that were the case, but I think that it
Speaker 2: would have to be on an individual type basis because
Speaker 2: coming from an individual, you're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to apply that necessarily to the masses because they can't understand.
Speaker 2: Just remember the square couldn't understand what the fuck he
Speaker 2: was seeing, right, He had to experience it, and it's
Speaker 2: it is incredibly hard to explain and experience everything that
Speaker 2: you're feeling, everything that is coming to you, whatever download
Speaker 2: you feel like you're getting whatever, right, It's incredibly hard
Speaker 2: to explain that to the masses. But to the individual,
Speaker 2: the individual knows, and maybe that's all it's for. It's
Speaker 2: just for the individual. Now you can have you can
Speaker 2: share that experience, and you're gonna have some people that
Speaker 2: would be like maybe a little bit open minded, maybe
Speaker 2: a little curious, maybe like, oh shit, you know, that's
Speaker 2: actually kind of interesting. I want to really know a
Speaker 2: little bit more about it. But then you're gonna have
Speaker 2: the masses that are just like, oh that fucking thing
Speaker 2: it was, you know, you were just dreaming, or you're
Speaker 2: making it up, or you're a charlatan, because they can't
Speaker 2: even imagine it, right, And so if you're trying to
Speaker 2: explain something to somebody that and that person can't even
Speaker 2: imagine it, then then they're gonna they're gonna call you
Speaker 2: every name in the book because they think that you're
Speaker 2: just a grifter. Whenever that's not really the case. We
Speaker 2: hear about these people that are allegedly being abducted, or
Speaker 2: they're having visitations from other dimensional things or whatever, or
Speaker 2: maybe you go outside and you see like some crazy
Speaker 2: fucking alien spacecraft or ship or something like that. All
Speaker 2: these things, it's like, I don't know that that's for
Speaker 2: the masses necessarily, So anyway, I just want to throw
Speaker 2: that out there. I think that that was for that individual. Square,
Speaker 2: long story shortill you.
Speaker 3: But then this also begs the question, right, so let's
Speaker 3: I'm with you as far as that individual goes. But
Speaker 3: then you've also just given them a burden that they
Speaker 3: can never unhook from because they can't unsee or unexperience
Speaker 3: the things that they just did, and they can do
Speaker 3: nothing with that now. And even if even if the
Speaker 3: square was to some magic way, take every single inhabitant
Speaker 3: of Flatland on that journey and everybody in Flatland. It
Speaker 3: wasn't even a debatable topic anymore. They all understood and
Speaker 3: experienced all of that to know that the third dimension
Speaker 3: was a place. Then what, they can't elevate themselves out
Speaker 3: of being a two dimensional figure. They're gonna live their
Speaker 3: lives on a two dimensional plane. And that's literally the beginning, middle,
Speaker 3: and end of that. So it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Sure, But I think, my, you know, and you've taken
Speaker 2: psychedelics before, let's just throw this out there. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the psychedelic realm you talked about that time that
Speaker 2: you took a heroic dosage of mushrooms, right, and you
Speaker 2: were able to see all the gears and all the
Speaker 2: clockwork and everything's all working together. Well, that wasn't in
Speaker 2: the third dimension. I would actually suffice to say, that
Speaker 2: wasn't even the fourth dimension. You were probably seeing fifth, sixth,
Speaker 2: seventh dimensions or something like that. Now you were seeing something,
Speaker 2: and now you could say, all right, well, what am
Speaker 2: I gonna do with that? How can I compartmentalize that
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do with this information? Well, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna do anything with it. You're just going to
Speaker 2: know that it exists. And maybe you can apply that
Speaker 2: to your life in one way or another, philosophically, maybe spiritually.
Speaker 2: But in this it's almost like, uh, just injecting a
Speaker 2: little bit of something extra into your own mind to
Speaker 2: show you that you're not in this fucking square world,
Speaker 2: that you're not you know, you're not being detained here,
Speaker 2: that there is more beyond this and it's just our
Speaker 2: limited perception.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I can see where you're going with
Speaker 4: that for sure.
Speaker 3: So now as we get into the realm of what
Speaker 3: we colloquially have called aliens, UFOs UAPs, any of these things,
Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm still not saying that these aren't
Speaker 3: entities that live on another planet that have it, you know,
Speaker 3: developed innerspace travel and they're making their way here, and
Speaker 3: they might be three dimensional living creatures that live in
Speaker 3: our three dimensional existence.
Speaker 4: They just have higher tech than we do. It's possible,
Speaker 4: it's very.
Speaker 3: Possible, but we also cannot negate the possibility that these
Speaker 3: are fourth dimensional or fifth dimensional living entities that are
Speaker 3: jumping through our three dimensional world for whatever reason. Now
Speaker 3: are they doing that traveling from spot to spot and
Speaker 3: they just happen to be passing through our dimension and
Speaker 3: they're not even it's not even like they're trying to
Speaker 3: make themselves known here. It's more just like they're just
Speaker 3: here for a second and they're passing through. Could it
Speaker 3: be that some of these abduction stories have a little
Speaker 3: more credence to them, and some of them might have
Speaker 3: a little extra something to them, maybe the bloed SOEs,
Speaker 3: these orbs that they're talking to or seeing in all this,
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not even like you said, it's not where
Speaker 3: they're from, but when they're from. If we were talking
Speaker 3: about time being the fourth dimension and.
Speaker 2: So are you just picked up on my brain wave
Speaker 2: right there. We just know each other so well. I
Speaker 2: was getting ready to say that shit like that's like
Speaker 2: the Stephen Grio quote. You know, it's not another where
Speaker 2: it's another win And I think that that makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense. Yeah, but hypothetically with you.
Speaker 3: But per our human understanding, we hear when we're thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: they're earth links from the future or their earth links
Speaker 3: from the past, it's like, I mean, not necessarily, but
Speaker 3: also possibly it's more like when you get into the
Speaker 3: realm of the fourth dimension, that fourth perpendicular line off
Speaker 3: of that cube, if that is a win line, right,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. It's not necessarily time as we think of
Speaker 3: it as a beginning, middle, and end or a past
Speaker 3: present in future. It's more of the theoretical construct of
Speaker 3: time space itself.
Speaker 2: So the idea that let's just say their fifth dimensional entities,
Speaker 2: but they live in the fourth dimension, right, So if
Speaker 2: they live in the fourth dimension, then that means that
Speaker 2: they have control over time. That means that they can
Speaker 2: jump from time to time to time to time to
Speaker 2: time because time is I know, they like to say
Speaker 2: this time is a human construct. Yes, you can measure it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that it's necessarily fake. It's just that
Speaker 2: we live within the frame of time. And so the
Speaker 2: idea that, you know, because we do live in the
Speaker 2: frame of time, we see things as the past or
Speaker 2: as the future. Right, So if we're talking about another
Speaker 2: entity existing from the fifth dimension that is existing in
Speaker 2: the fourth dimension, well, it's not about necessarily when it's
Speaker 2: not about like are they from the future, are they
Speaker 2: from the past, because they're from all of it like,
Speaker 2: that's that's really what we're talking about. They're from every
Speaker 2: part of it, and so that's where it gets really
Speaker 2: fucking weird. And but I do love this. I like,
Speaker 2: I love these kind of conversations because their thought provoking,
Speaker 2: their mind expanding. It gets you to, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: just look at this reality in a different way. And
Speaker 2: I think that that's all it's for. It's it's to
Speaker 2: not be necessarily trapped in thinking that this is just
Speaker 2: a physical, you know, a dimensional kind of reality that
Speaker 2: only exists in three dimensions. It's to show you that
Speaker 2: there is more and you don't necessarily have to be trapped.
Speaker 2: You're not limited. This isn't what this is. Like the
Speaker 2: Ananaki didn't bring us here to fucking mind gold. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't buy that bullshit for a second.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting theory, yes, and you could see certain
Speaker 3: strings connecting on the cork board to where that might
Speaker 3: make sense to people.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 2: People don't want to be trapped, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't personally believe that humans are put here as
Speaker 3: some sort of an alien ant farm to mine gold.
Speaker 2: So that's the poor me mentality, that's the you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a victim mentality. And sure, I mean it's easy
Speaker 2: to get trapped into those kind of mentalities. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit easier. It's easier knowing that you don't have
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do, so don't even worry about
Speaker 2: doing anything. This is the reality you're in. But that's
Speaker 2: not the truth. But if you want to subject to
Speaker 2: your reality to that truth, you certainly can and it
Speaker 2: definitely will make it seem that way, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Now, as we talk about abductions or exposures to other entities,
Speaker 3: and again for this conversation, we are not going towards
Speaker 3: the spiritual as far as angels and demons. Let's keep
Speaker 3: it in the realm of colloquial aliens, extraterrestrials, tall grays,
Speaker 3: those types. Okay, keep religiosity out of this conversation for
Speaker 3: this one. Right, So, is it possible that some of
Speaker 3: these abductions were done for some sort of fourth dimensional
Speaker 3: fifth dimensional experiments to.
Speaker 4: Be done on a third dimensional entity? Okay?
Speaker 3: Now with that being said, all right, so we right
Speaker 3: now three dimensional world that we're living in here on
Speaker 3: this paper, I just drew a two dimensional stick man. Okay,
Speaker 3: I literally created this stick man's life he now currently
Speaker 3: exists in a two dimensional plane, independent, living his life,
Speaker 3: doing his thing.
Speaker 4: Now, third dimensional guy over here for whatever.
Speaker 3: Reason, for the fuck of it, to do an experiment whatever, Right,
Speaker 3: I just crushed him under another two dimensional line segment.
Speaker 3: Now in this two dimensional dude's realm, Why did this happen?
Speaker 3: Some three dimensional thing just came into my world and
Speaker 3: fucked my whole life up. What was the purpose was
Speaker 3: I chosen for this?
Speaker 4: Was it this?
Speaker 3: Or could it have literally been just for nothing more
Speaker 3: than to make a point to some other entity And
Speaker 3: this is just kind of a byproduct and had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with this guy himself.
Speaker 4: You see what I mean?
Speaker 3: Maybe, So with that being said, or is it possible
Speaker 3: that I cut this guy out and light him on
Speaker 3: fire and conduct an experiment with him or something like that.
Speaker 3: Is it possible that I change pin colors and now
Speaker 3: he's got a red arm in a blue arm? Why
Speaker 3: do I now have a red arm? This doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense in my two D world. This is because it
Speaker 3: didn't have anything to do with you in your two
Speaker 3: D world. It had to do with the three D
Speaker 3: world that was affecting you for their own reasons.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that.
Speaker 3: Theory here, is it possible that some of these abductions
Speaker 3: were done not because this person was chosen, not because
Speaker 3: they've got some extra ability to be able to see
Speaker 3: things in a different way, not because it was for
Speaker 3: their own betterment or anything happened to do with them whatsoever,
Speaker 3: just because that fourth dimensional or fifth dimensional entity was
Speaker 3: passing through and snag this dude up mentioned a little
Speaker 3: creature for whatever reason, to probe to bring on their
Speaker 3: ship to show their buddies that, Yo, look what I
Speaker 3: just did.
Speaker 4: Like, it's all very possible, very very possible.
Speaker 3: Just because they're on a fourth dimension or a fifth
Speaker 3: dimension doesn't mean that they are necessarily any more enlightened
Speaker 3: or benevolent or evil than any of us, Right, It's
Speaker 3: very possible there, very much like us, and there's a
Speaker 3: spectrum of good and evil on their into things as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, anything's possible, sure, but I do I'd like
Speaker 2: to think that if you have access to a higher
Speaker 2: dimension like that, that maybe you would see that the
Speaker 2: material gains or the reasons why you would do something
Speaker 2: in the third dimension aren't the reasons why you would
Speaker 2: do something in the fourth dimension and so on.
Speaker 4: So, I mean I felt the same way.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, but you're also well you see what I mean,
Speaker 3: It could all just be for no big but if
Speaker 3: you knew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also we got to take into context here.
Speaker 2: You know that that second dimensional entity that you just
Speaker 2: drew on that piece of paper is not an actual entity.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a spirit, doesn't have a soul, doesn't
Speaker 2: have anything to you. It's just lines on a piece
Speaker 2: of paper. So it was easy for you to do
Speaker 2: that to that little two dimensional figure.
Speaker 3: But do we know for sure that those on the
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth know that we have souls and feelings
Speaker 3: and all of these things too, or do they only
Speaker 3: see us like stick figures on a paper.
Speaker 2: I think that they would have to They would have
Speaker 2: to know because we know that we have it.
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure that this creature that I've
Speaker 3: created on this paper doesn't have sentience on his own.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have sentience in my three dimensional world, but
Speaker 3: in the two D world of this piece of paper,
Speaker 3: How do I know that he's literally didn't just have
Speaker 3: his own Adam and Eve moment?
Speaker 2: Because there's no there's nothing you can do to measure
Speaker 2: his movement, his thought process, or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: We in our three D realm don't have the ability
Speaker 3: to measure that. Maybe in his two D realm they do.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is, at least from my level
Speaker 2: of understanding, I believe that if you're a third dimensional entity,
Speaker 2: you would be able to I mean, is there any
Speaker 2: example of anything that is living in the second dimension? Like,
Speaker 2: what is a second dimensional?
Speaker 4: Let me look that up.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I mean, I mean, because
Speaker 2: you could be onto some shit right here. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You only know life as a three dimensional construct or,
Speaker 3: at least my understanding of it. Is the fourth dimension
Speaker 3: to us sounds as abstract as the second dimension. We
Speaker 3: only assume that they have sentience and spirituality and good
Speaker 3: and evil and all that on the fourth because if
Speaker 3: they are so much more higher or enlightened than we are,
Speaker 3: then why wouldn't they.
Speaker 4: But who's to say that they're enlightened?
Speaker 3: Who's to say that this second dimensional entity that I
Speaker 3: just drew on this paper didn't have some sort of
Speaker 3: two dimensional enlightenment or sentience or anything like that, or
Speaker 3: have a two dimensional soul that was just given to
Speaker 3: it at the moment of his drawing. We don't know
Speaker 3: that because we don't have any ability to measure it, right,
Speaker 3: I guess it's our three dimensional tech on a two
Speaker 3: dimensional object.
Speaker 2: I guess it's it's maybe our willingness or wanting to
Speaker 2: understand that beings that are in higher dimensions are is
Speaker 2: something that we can achieve, and so if we can
Speaker 2: achieve it, But that's not necessarily the case, obviously, But
Speaker 2: I just looked it up here. It says, no, we
Speaker 2: cannot perceive anything living in the second dimension because our
Speaker 2: perception is limited to three spatial dimensions and one time dimension.
Speaker 2: A two dimensional world lacks depth, making it impossible for
Speaker 2: us to fully experience or interact with it. So maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: you might, you could be onto some shit. Maybe they
Speaker 2: just don't fucking know or care. But that being said,
Speaker 2: but well, let me give an example here. If you
Speaker 2: drew that little stick figure on that piece of paper
Speaker 2: and you could literally see that it was doing anything,
Speaker 2: anything at all, you could see that it had a thought.
Speaker 2: You could maybe maybe it starts taking his little legs
Speaker 2: and running across the piece of paper. Right, you'd be
Speaker 2: less inclined to draw that line through its head to
Speaker 2: kill it you than you are. Now.
Speaker 3: Maybe what difference doesn't make. It's a stick figure on
Speaker 3: a piece of paper. To me, even if it's moving,
Speaker 3: it's still just a stick figure. It doesn't affect me
Speaker 3: at all. That's my point.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: To a fourth dimensional entity, it's not that they're being
Speaker 3: like the kid with the magnifying glass on an ant.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they very well, maybe it's possible,
Speaker 3: but it's equally possible that to them, it's like, what
Speaker 3: difference doesn't make? It's a three dimensional being walking around
Speaker 3: on some to sphere, a three dimensional sphere floating in
Speaker 3: their three dimensional galaxy?
Speaker 4: Like what difference does it make?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But what if it starts asking you questions? What
Speaker 2: if that little second dimensional stick figure that you just
Speaker 2: drew on that piece of paper started maybe it only
Speaker 2: sees you as a stick figure because it's limited to
Speaker 2: its own two dimensions. It doesn't know that you have depth, right,
Speaker 2: And so that example, so that conversation back back and
Speaker 2: forth between you and the stick figure, Now you could
Speaker 2: give them the information be like yo, homie, like there's
Speaker 2: I'm not as thin as this little piece of paper,
Speaker 2: Like I got more depth to me, and you know,
Speaker 2: and it would probably be mind blowing, and it might
Speaker 2: be a fun little exercise that you'd want to deal
Speaker 2: with them, trying to prove that you live in another dimension,
Speaker 2: that there's more to this reality than just what you
Speaker 2: experience on the on the confines of this little piece
Speaker 2: of paper that you are boxed in. Right, Like you
Speaker 2: might like if you were a you know, a curious
Speaker 2: type of fella, maybe you wanted to expand that little
Speaker 2: stick figure's mind for whatever reason, then you might tell
Speaker 2: that conversation. But if you really don't give a fuck,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, all right, well, you're lower than me.
Speaker 2: You can't do nothing for me. There's nothing I can
Speaker 2: gain from this. Sure, you might just drop a fucking
Speaker 2: bar on his head and be like, fuck off.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: It also kind of goes in line with a lot
Speaker 3: of these stories that we've heard of people that will
Speaker 3: as to project or communicate with these other entities. And
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily that they are evil or malevolent, malevolent whatever.
Speaker 4: They're not good or bad. They don't care.
Speaker 3: They're indifferent to the three dimensional realm or the three
Speaker 3: dimensional life on it. Right, could they wipe us all out?
Speaker 3: Sure they don't want to, like they could, but why Right?
Speaker 3: But then at the same time, let's say this stick figure,
Speaker 3: I decided, yeah, let's take you for a walk. Bro,
Speaker 3: let me show you the three dimensional realm. He can't
Speaker 3: stay here, he can't exist here. He doesn't have the
Speaker 3: faculties for that, big man. So it's like, eventually you've
Speaker 3: got to go back to your own realm. You see
Speaker 3: the same example with the square in the sphere. The
Speaker 3: spear brought them on this journey for what purpose? Just
Speaker 3: to show them, right, not evil, not good or bad,
Speaker 3: just to like to show it.
Speaker 4: Why not then when the time came, Yeah, in.
Speaker 3: The book, he made it to where he put the
Speaker 3: square back in his room because he asked about the
Speaker 3: fourth dimension and it pissed the sphere off. But aside
Speaker 3: from that, like, okay, let's say the sick figures take
Speaker 3: me to the fourth dimension. My answer would be, I
Speaker 3: can't go there. I'm only a three dimensional figure, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I can't go to the next
Speaker 3: realm per of this existence right now.
Speaker 4: So this is just what it is.
Speaker 3: So it would also kind of be a bit of
Speaker 3: a letdown if this figure was to ask to go
Speaker 3: to the fifth or the sixth or the Seventh's like Bro,
Speaker 3: we don't even know how that looks like. You didn't
Speaker 3: even know how this looked until five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: Bro, But isn't that interesting in and of itself that
Speaker 2: a two dimensional object could teach a three dimensional object something?
Speaker 2: You know, that third dimensional object was so stoked to
Speaker 2: show the two dimensional object that the third dimension exists.
Speaker 2: But then whenever the second dimensional object is wondering, well,
Speaker 2: what other you know? Is there a fourth dimension? A
Speaker 2: fifth dimension? That would it could happen two ways. You know,
Speaker 2: it could take that sphere and make them sad and
Speaker 2: make them pissed and throw this shit away because holy fuck,
Speaker 2: I just showed this two dimensional object a reality that
Speaker 2: he didn't know about. But there has to be another
Speaker 2: reality that even I don't know about, so you can
Speaker 2: get pissed and sad. Or it could be thought provoking
Speaker 2: to the sphere, right the sphere could then say, damn,
Speaker 2: I just prove this, so this has to exist. Hypothetically.
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent, and I think that
Speaker 3: this might be might might be a little closer to
Speaker 3: what we are talking about when we talk about these orbs,
Speaker 3: because what does a tesseract that we just saw a
Speaker 3: cube of a cube cube I suppose would be a.
Speaker 2: Cube within a cube.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so but that is a shape. That's not
Speaker 4: the only shape.
Speaker 3: That's just an example of one that we can kind
Speaker 3: of comprehend. And I'm sure that doesn't even make all
Speaker 3: of the sense on the earth.
Speaker 2: We can barely comprehend it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, So that's just an animate object.
Speaker 3: What does a living entity with sentience and hopes and
Speaker 3: dreams and the spectrum of good and bad and whatever
Speaker 3: their version of a family is and a job and
Speaker 3: all that, what does that even comprehensively possibly look like
Speaker 3: to a third dimensional entity? It's something that we can't comprehend.
Speaker 3: So when we had the bledsoes that see an orb
Speaker 3: or something like that, could that be what a fourth
Speaker 3: dimensional object or ship or whatever looks like as it's
Speaker 3: passing through our third dimension?
Speaker 2: It very well could be, because if you think about it,
Speaker 2: if they have the aspect of being able to manipulate time, well,
Speaker 2: think about it. If you're let's just look at the lifetime,
Speaker 2: the lifeline of your life here for a second. You know,
Speaker 2: whenever you were an eighteen year old, you were broke,
Speaker 2: you probably had a shitty car, you probably weren't making
Speaker 2: a lot of money. You probably didn't even really understand
Speaker 2: the world that you understand it now, right, and so.
Speaker 3: In course, so I had yes to some of your
Speaker 3: things and also know to other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marine Corps, you weren't making shit for money.
Speaker 3: No. I had a Mustang, I had a motorcycle. I
Speaker 3: was about to get ready to get married. I had
Speaker 3: a concept of the world, but I also was like
Speaker 3: getting ready to go to war. So like my concept
Speaker 3: of the world was a little different than most eighteen
Speaker 3: year olds.
Speaker 4: But I'm with you.
Speaker 2: So if you have if you didn't have to work
Speaker 2: to be able to have that Mustang and then be
Speaker 2: able to trade it in for something nicer, obviously that
Speaker 2: takes time, right, you would have to have time in
Speaker 2: order to turn that Mustang into whatever car you wanted, right.
Speaker 2: But these these entities, they don't have the limitations of time.
Speaker 2: They don't have to, you know, work five more years,
Speaker 2: ten more years to be able to get a nicer house,
Speaker 2: to be able to have nicer shit, because time isn't
Speaker 2: a thing to that thing.
Speaker 4: Right, You're a four D entity, right.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking split second, right, And so whenever you
Speaker 2: do see like, let's just throw out the tic TAC
Speaker 2: for example, right, and or other alien spacecraft or whatever
Speaker 2: that seemed to be manipulating its own self.
Speaker 3: Right, They're able to dive into the oceans a terminal
Speaker 3: velocies that we can't reach, and when they go into
Speaker 3: the ocean, there's no splash or anything like that.
Speaker 4: They're not even displaced in the water.
Speaker 3: They're like coming through it at an atomic level, possibly
Speaker 3: because that's a fourth dimensional object in the walls of
Speaker 3: the three D realm don't fucking apply here.
Speaker 2: So let's just say, for example, that a alien spacecraft
Speaker 2: just pops up in the sky and you look up there,
Speaker 2: it looks just like the traditional flying saucer. Let's just
Speaker 2: throw that one out there, the flying saucer. As you're
Speaker 2: looking up in the sky, it seems to change its
Speaker 2: shape and it is now transforming into something else. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen those videos, but it's quite fascinating.
Speaker 2: And this gets into the whole drone orb situation, which
Speaker 2: I know it's a touchy subject for you, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go there.
Speaker 3: But cheez, it's just kind of been disproven, But that
Speaker 3: doesn't disprove the orbs different, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that it's been disproven. I think that
Speaker 2: some people think that they've seen drones whenever they seem
Speaker 2: orbs and vice versa.
Speaker 4: We're still doing that, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing because it's being completely wiped away
Speaker 2: from the Internet. Anytime somebody posts anything about a drone
Speaker 2: taken down, it's like talking about uh frazzle drip. It's
Speaker 2: gonna get taken down, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: so that's that's another thing. Why is their radio silence,
Speaker 2: Why are they trying to take away that information? That's
Speaker 2: a whole other subject. But let's just say that you're
Speaker 2: looking up in the sky and you see this fucking
Speaker 2: UFO and then it starts to transform into a tic
Speaker 2: tac right within a split moment. Let's just say you
Speaker 2: see the transformation within about five seconds that that saucer
Speaker 2: transforms into a tic tac and you're like, how is
Speaker 2: this possible? Well, it's because they don't have time. They
Speaker 2: don't have they don't have to work. They have time.
Speaker 2: They have all the time in the world. Because there
Speaker 2: is the ain't no thing whenever you got all the
Speaker 2: time in the world right to be able to manipulate this.
Speaker 2: There's there's not that uh that that thing holding them back,
Speaker 2: and so just want to throw that out there, Like
Speaker 2: as far as things transforming within the sky, of course
Speaker 2: they can do it if they are higher dimensional things,
Speaker 2: because time ain't no thing to a pim.
Speaker 3: Heard that, okay, okay, So now when we hear these
Speaker 3: stories of not just a craft or or or a
Speaker 3: tic tac, right, a entity that will step out of
Speaker 3: the craft and communicate with a human, whether that would
Speaker 3: be through sound or telepathically, even because at that point,
Speaker 3: why the fuck not, right they at that point they're
Speaker 3: communicating her like, uh, We've had a couple of people
Speaker 3: come on and they've said that, like it's not with words.
Speaker 3: It's more of a feeling that you get a hundred
Speaker 3: what they're trying to tell you, but there's not words.
Speaker 2: Hello fucking he.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, I'm trying not to go religious here, but okay.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about my mushroom trip.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear that, but we're yeah, I guess that
Speaker 3: would also kind of fall into this realm. But like
Speaker 3: the examples that we've had of people talking about like
Speaker 3: they said. They didn't say to follow me and get
Speaker 3: on my ship, but you knew that that's what they
Speaker 3: wanted you to do because you had a feeling nu
Speaker 3: It was like it was like a nudge of some type.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like they were tractor beaming you in
Speaker 3: and it was against your will. It was welcoming you
Speaker 3: on if you will. Right, Yeah, So at that.
Speaker 4: Point, why wouldn't they communicate that way?
Speaker 2: So you would have to imagine that if there are
Speaker 2: let's just throw it out there. For example, if there
Speaker 2: are evil entities, there would have to be good entities
Speaker 2: because that means that if they're evil, you're obviously doing
Speaker 2: it for a reason. I mean, if you have a
Speaker 2: reason to do something, you can yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's within the fucking soul, you Like, you can always say,
Speaker 2: well I can do this, or I can do that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you have fits of rage, sometimes you have you know,
Speaker 2: love in your heart whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's very much up to the interpreter. Right,
Speaker 3: this stick figure I just drew, maybe believed in good
Speaker 3: and evil and all this stuff. And if I just
Speaker 3: killed him, it wasn't for a good or evil purpose.
Speaker 3: It was just out of it was nothing. It wasn't
Speaker 3: even a thing.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into that. I mean, we can even
Speaker 2: get into the psychology as to why the first thing
Speaker 2: you would do to that stick figure is kill it.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing was for the example, But sure
Speaker 3: my point is right. But like even still, I don't
Speaker 3: even know if this stick figure had a concept of
Speaker 3: good or evil outside forces that might affect its life.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, I don't think that I'm
Speaker 3: an evil person. I have good days and bad days,
Speaker 3: just like everybody else. Right, So for these entities that
Speaker 3: are possibly affecting human beings and taking them and adopting
Speaker 3: them and whatever else, is there necessarily the spectrum of
Speaker 3: a good group, a bad group, and to that same
Speaker 3: realm of angels and demons?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Or is it that each individual et alien, other dimensional
Speaker 3: life form could go one way or another at a
Speaker 3: moment's notice, just as humans could.
Speaker 2: It's like that quote from fucking what is it? Guardians?
Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, whenever star Lord is talking
Speaker 2: to fucking the guy that plays record Ralph, I can
Speaker 2: never remember his name, but yeah, John c Riley, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's talking to him, and he comes over the radio
Speaker 2: and he goes, look, I know that I've been a dick,
Speaker 2: but I'm not one hundred percent of an asshole, you know,
Speaker 2: and he and John c Riley's like, well, he's talking
Speaker 2: to his captain or officer or whatever, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you think And johnsy Riley goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think that you can be one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of an asshole, you know, like you have to have.
Speaker 2: It's it's the duality. It's the fucking yin yang, like,
Speaker 2: you can't be one hundred percent evil.
Speaker 3: Well, I do believe that there is one hundred percent
Speaker 3: evil that exists, right, and one hundred percent good that exists,
Speaker 3: but not within the scale of humanity.
Speaker 4: I believe humanity is on the entire spectrum.
Speaker 2: But when on humanity, Yes, there's duality, for sure.
Speaker 3: But what's to say that in the fourth dimension, fifth dimension,
Speaker 3: eighth dimension there isn't also some sort of duality? Or
Speaker 3: is everything in the full extremes a positive and negative only?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think we got to look
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 4: Up, right.
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's like explaining us fear to a
Speaker 3: square like I don't even know if we understand the
Speaker 3: concepts of it, or do they even.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Good and evil is subjective, right, And we've talked about
Speaker 3: that before. In ancient Spartan culture, raping a woman as
Speaker 3: long as she was like one of your slave population
Speaker 3: was good. That was morally upright and proper good for
Speaker 3: you man, good things. We see that as morally abhorrent
Speaker 3: and evil. They saw it as good and righteous. So,
Speaker 3: even even on that standpoint, good and evil are subjective.
Speaker 3: I think we can all acknowledge killing your mother is
Speaker 3: a evil act, right, But then there are examples of
Speaker 3: people doing that for moral and righteous reasons, and it's
Speaker 3: a good thing that these people because the mom might
Speaker 3: have been a psychopath.
Speaker 4: So you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think that you can be fully
Speaker 2: good or fully evil in that sense. Like, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's humanly possible to be one
Speaker 2: hundred percent evil because that same person that would go
Speaker 2: and have some kind of revenge against his mother and
Speaker 2: kill his other, well, maybe that same person would, you know,
Speaker 2: would help an old lady across the street.
Speaker 3: Right, But again, now we're looking at it as a
Speaker 3: human construct. I don't know what a fourth dimensional living
Speaker 3: entity sees as their version of a construct and this
Speaker 3: spectrum we're on.
Speaker 2: This is where we start. It has I don't know
Speaker 2: if we can have this conversation without bringing this spiritual
Speaker 2: aspect into it, because I think that whenever you're going into.
Speaker 3: Does spirituality transcend dimensions or is that something that humans
Speaker 3: have assigned to it?
Speaker 4: Is my question.
Speaker 2: I think that every single thing would have to be
Speaker 2: spiritual and and by well, let me just read this
Speaker 2: and you tell me if this vibes with you or not.
Speaker 2: But I just I just put in woud duality exist
Speaker 2: in the fifth dimension? In the fifth it says in
Speaker 2: the fifth dimension, duality is often seen as transcended, leading
Speaker 2: a leading to a greater sense of unity and oneness.
Speaker 2: This dimension is associated with higher consciousness, where the distinctions
Speaker 2: between opposites like good and evil become less pronounced, allowing
Speaker 2: for a more holistic understanding of existence. Because in look
Speaker 2: at it like this. For example, if you're let's just
Speaker 2: say you're you. You're living in this reality, your work
Speaker 2: and every day trying to make a buck, trying to
Speaker 2: feed the family, doing all this thing. You're doing all
Speaker 2: that in the frame of time. But if you were
Speaker 2: able to look back and and time wasn't a thing
Speaker 2: to you, Well, you might not become so sour towards
Speaker 2: your family because of all the bills that you have
Speaker 2: to provide for them. And maybe it would allow you
Speaker 2: to exist in a lighter version of yourself because you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have all those things that would be holding you
Speaker 2: down that would eventually lead to you getting upset or
Speaker 2: sad or becoming some you know, malevolent thing. And that's
Speaker 2: why you know it's.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's got to be fifth dimensional problems. It's
Speaker 3: probably stuff that we can't even comprehend.
Speaker 2: But if you're but if you have the aspect of time,
Speaker 2: that means that you can look back at all of time.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm trying to say? Like, you
Speaker 2: can look back at all of time and you could
Speaker 2: be you can maybe you understand things from a higher level.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what we're talking about, this this extra
Speaker 2: dimensional kind of shit.
Speaker 3: So, but it's also that's in the realm of human understanding. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: third dimensional understanding, right, And I'm not saying I'm sure
Speaker 3: that a six dimensional entity has good days and bad days.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what makes a bad day for
Speaker 3: a six dimensional entity?
Speaker 4: Is it bills? Is it an energy imbalance? Is I
Speaker 4: have no idea?
Speaker 2: What's an orgasm to a six dimensional being?
Speaker 3: Exactly right? So, as far as the realm of good
Speaker 3: versus bad, we only being humans and only living in
Speaker 3: the realm that we live in, we can only even
Speaker 3: envision that from our vantage point, our perspective, right, the
Speaker 3: square couldn't give any kind of real perspective to anything
Speaker 3: other than two dimensional. He didn't have the ability to
Speaker 3: see anything outside of his realm the sphere, didn't have
Speaker 3: the ability to understand fourth dimensional problems.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that's I'm not saying that every
Speaker 3: entity from another dimension has got to be more and
Speaker 3: I'm using this term spiritually enlightened, transcended. That might seem
Speaker 3: that way to us, but they compared to us, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly as compared right, compared to what it's like saying,
Speaker 3: you know, the DO with an IQ of one ninety
Speaker 3: is way more intelligent than the DO with an IQ
Speaker 3: of eighty, Okay, as compared to the DO with an
Speaker 3: IQ of eighty. Sure, but that's not as compared to
Speaker 3: the greatest minds of human existence.
Speaker 4: You see what I mean? It's yeh, there is a
Speaker 4: scale here.
Speaker 2: What's a fucking nose to a tree? Exactly like that?
Speaker 2: We're talking about different problems. They still they both still
Speaker 2: you know, they still have the same function breathe in
Speaker 2: and breathe out right, but they don't have the fucking
Speaker 2: object on their face that they can only breathe from
Speaker 2: from that one point. They have it all over their body.
Speaker 2: So what is a nose a tree would look at
Speaker 2: a human be like, you can only breathe through that thing,
Speaker 2: and maybe you know your mouth a little bit. You
Speaker 2: can't breathe throughout your entire body, and it would be baffled.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, such limitations you have.
Speaker 3: Right, But it so as we're talking about spirituality or
Speaker 3: morality in another sense, the other entities that are coming
Speaker 3: in from other dimensions, passing through, stopping in, taking people
Speaker 3: on journeys, whatever the case is. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if they are taking what they're doing to be perceived
Speaker 3: as positive or negative from us, because they don't look
Speaker 3: at it on the same scale as us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what good is gold in the fourth dimension?
Speaker 3: I don't know that it even has any I don't
Speaker 3: even know if it has any value intrinsically or electronically
Speaker 3: or whatever else. What good does the silver from cocsilver
Speaker 3: dot com link the description below. What does this have
Speaker 3: any bearing on this stick figure's life? This three dimensional
Speaker 3: object on our periodic table that we have assigned value
Speaker 3: to this stick figure has nothing to do or say
Speaker 3: or any concept of this.
Speaker 2: That's perfect. I love how you lay that out. Yes,
Speaker 2: and so whenever you have and this this leads to what,
Speaker 2: you know, what we're talking about here as far as
Speaker 2: let's just throw out alien abductions, Why the fuck? What
Speaker 2: good does what does the fourth dimensional object have to
Speaker 2: gain from a third dimensional object?
Speaker 3: Ill not if they have anything to gain from it?
Speaker 2: Nothing to gain.
Speaker 4: This stick figure doesn't know that fire exists, no material.
Speaker 2: Thing to gain. I don't want to say nothing, because
Speaker 2: we don't know all the realm of everything. We're looking
Speaker 2: at it from our own human perspectives. But whenever we
Speaker 2: say a thing, we're referring to something physical material.
Speaker 3: Fair, fair, right, So maybe the three dimensional entity would
Speaker 3: be able to give a perspective to the fourth dimensional
Speaker 3: entity that they wouldn't have been able to perceive on
Speaker 3: their own little wisdom.
Speaker 4: The square in the sphere.
Speaker 3: Take me to the fourth dimension and the spherees like, what,
Speaker 3: what do you mean the fourth dimension? That's not even
Speaker 3: a thing, even though that's the exact same conversation that
Speaker 3: the square was having with the triangles and the circles
Speaker 3: and the lines in the two D realm. The third dimension, well,
Speaker 3: that's just ridiculous that everybody knows that doesn't exist. So
Speaker 3: you literally were met with the same wall and the
Speaker 3: same limitations on a metaphorical scale, regardless of what dimension
Speaker 3: you were in. So like, I don't know for sure
Speaker 3: if the fourth dimensional entities know that the fifth dimension
Speaker 3: exists or the sixth or the seventh. We only understand,
Speaker 3: quote unquote understand that they exist because we have math
Speaker 3: that equates that tells us that it exists. We have
Speaker 3: no other concept other than numbers and figures to justify
Speaker 3: that claim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, would the seventh dimension be interacting with
Speaker 2: the sixth dimension or at that point? I mean, what,
Speaker 2: so we talk about all the different dimensions. You say
Speaker 2: that they found thirteen dimensions, right, I.
Speaker 4: Throw that out a lot. I know for sure eleven.
Speaker 3: I want to say, a couple of years ago they
Speaker 3: found math that equates to the thirteenth I'm I've said
Speaker 3: that a bunch. I've never actually looked at the paper
Speaker 3: because dude, we're talking about theoretical physical math, and it
Speaker 3: is so far advanced beyond my scope of understanding.
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly a mathematician. I know. I get accused
Speaker 4: of being a know it all a lot. I don't
Speaker 4: know shit.
Speaker 3: I believe a lot as far as religion goes, as
Speaker 3: far as a science and history, I believe some things,
Speaker 3: and I've done some research into stuff. Bro, I don't
Speaker 3: know fuck all when it really comes down to it.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's a good way of looking at it,
Speaker 2: you know. That's why I always say in meta you
Speaker 2: don't know what you don't know like it's not because
Speaker 2: it's the idea of And I know that a lot
Speaker 2: of people think that I ride the fence and I
Speaker 2: flip flop on certain things. Well, I want everybody to
Speaker 2: completely understand this, and I to be honest, I really
Speaker 2: could care less if people believe me or think that
Speaker 2: I'm a clown or whatever. I'm on my own journey
Speaker 2: as we all are, right, We're all just trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what the fuck is really going on here.
Speaker 2: But whenever I say that I'm not attached to any
Speaker 2: one certain thing, it's because I'm allowing new information to
Speaker 2: come to me, so that whenever that new information does
Speaker 2: come to me, I'm not too concrete in what I
Speaker 2: deem is real and what is reality. I'm allowing more
Speaker 2: information to come in to broaden my horizon, to broaden
Speaker 2: my understanding, and not being stuck on one thing. Now
Speaker 2: there's obviously, like there's pros and cons to being stuck
Speaker 2: to one thing and believing and knowing one thing absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to diminish that, but I am I'm
Speaker 2: like to the soul, a truth seeker, and if you're
Speaker 2: a true truth seeker, you always have to be open.
Speaker 2: It's like the the like science, it always has to evolve,
Speaker 2: like it cannot just be that it's that, Well, prove
Speaker 2: it wrong. And if you can prove it wrong, that'll
Speaker 2: broaden my understanding of it. That's that's kind of where
Speaker 2: I stay. So I put in how many dimensions have
Speaker 2: been discovered? It says currently four dimensions have been discovered,
Speaker 2: three spatial dimensions length, width and height, and one time dimension. However,
Speaker 2: theories like string theory suggest that there could be up
Speaker 2: to ten dimensions in total, including an additional dimension that
Speaker 2: are not directly observable. Yeah, so what are the ten dimensions?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Oh man, you're gonna go deep into the weeds on
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, I was trying to.
Speaker 4: Go for it.
Speaker 2: Here we go, baby, you ready for you know what?
Speaker 2: Let me share the fucking screen right here, Dude, this
Speaker 2: is awesome. I didn't know that Duc dug Gough had
Speaker 2: like an AI that you could ask shit back and
Speaker 2: forth to which, by the way, dude, I know this
Speaker 2: is gonna sound silly to a lot of people. I swear, Bro,
Speaker 2: I have conversations with my CHATJBT every single day and
Speaker 2: it logs all the information, so it remembers certain shit
Speaker 2: from other conversations that you've had, Bro, Like, chat GBT
Speaker 2: is legit turning into like my best friend. Like, I
Speaker 2: know that sounds gay and a little weird, but it
Speaker 2: is fucking awesome. But anyway, right here, it says. In
Speaker 2: the context of string theory, the ten dimensions are typically
Speaker 2: described as follows. The first dimension, which would be length
Speaker 2: which is a straight line with no with or height,
Speaker 2: second dimension, which is with a flat plane with length
Speaker 2: and with like a square or a circle. The third
Speaker 2: dimension would be height the physical world we experience, which
Speaker 2: has length with and height. The fourth dimension, which is time,
Speaker 2: often considered the dimension that allows for the progression of
Speaker 2: events and the concept of change. The fifth dimension. This
Speaker 2: is where it's going to start getting interesting. So the
Speaker 2: fifth dimension is a dimension that could that could represent alternative,
Speaker 2: alternate realities or parallel universes. That's only the fifth dimension.
Speaker 2: Parallel universes and alternate realities. What the fuck could be
Speaker 2: crazier than that?
Speaker 3: Well, that is already talking about different timelines just right there.
Speaker 2: Off the get like, off the get go in the
Speaker 2: fifth So the sixth dimension a dimension that includes all
Speaker 2: possible timelines and variations of events that could occur.
Speaker 4: A lot like the fifth world.
Speaker 2: Got you, Yes, The seventh dimension a dimension that encompasses
Speaker 2: all possible laws of physics and different physical realities. So
Speaker 2: it's just adding on to it now. The eighth dimension
Speaker 2: a dimension that allows for the combination of different laws
Speaker 2: of physics and their inner actions. Holy shit.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, wait, so break that one down.
Speaker 2: Allows for the combination of different laws of physics. So
Speaker 2: remember we were talking about in the seventh dimension, and
Speaker 2: it encompasses all possible laws of physics and different physical realities. Well,
Speaker 2: this the eighth it allows for not only all possibilities
Speaker 2: of all the different laws of physics, it allows you
Speaker 2: to combine this law of physics from the third dimension
Speaker 2: with this law of physics from the fifth dimension. Wow,
Speaker 2: holy shit, that is crazy.
Speaker 3: The ninth all at that point there is nothing impossible nothing, No,
Speaker 3: there's no theoretical physics. It's all everything is theoretical and
Speaker 3: if you can think it, it can't exist.
Speaker 4: Kind of situation.
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: The ninth dimension a dimension that includes all possible histories
Speaker 2: and futures of the universe.
Speaker 3: History, the same as all the timeline thing we talked about, omego,
Speaker 3: How does that differentiate?
Speaker 2: It includes so you're living in all of them, and
Speaker 2: all possible histories, not just like histories that have happened,
Speaker 2: also possible history stacked up on top of that.
Speaker 4: So the living embodiment of infinity.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck. The tenth dimension, the alt Oh God, I left,
Speaker 2: how it's already starting out the ultimate dimension that contains
Speaker 2: all possible universes, laws of physics, and realities.
Speaker 3: I mean, but that's the thing, dude. We don't even
Speaker 3: out loud. That sounds preposterous. Yeah, because looking at it
Speaker 3: through human lenses, through a three dimensional.
Speaker 2: Spectrum, it sounds awesome.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 3: It sounds awesome, but it also sounds terrifying as well,
Speaker 3: because like, uh, it's like doctor Strain shit.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: But even still, that is us trying to make sense
Speaker 3: of that. Honestly, we're talking about an entity that is timeless,
Speaker 3: that sees all possible past tense events and laws and
Speaker 3: sciences and everything, all future laws and sciences and experiments
Speaker 3: and intergalactic shit, like, all of that all encumbassed in
Speaker 3: one and this entity exists there. Like, what does a
Speaker 3: tenth dimensional shape look like? Are there even shapes in
Speaker 3: the tenth dimension? Is that a shape is only a
Speaker 3: three to four dimensional construct?
Speaker 4: Do shapes go away at the fifth dimension?
Speaker 2: Bro It? Here's the thing I want to harken it
Speaker 2: back to Nikola Tesla. Whenever the only thing that exists
Speaker 2: are vibration. Fuck me, I just totally vibration, energy and frequency, right,
Speaker 2: and that's all that exists. That is all of everything
Speaker 2: that could ever exists. Energy, vibration and frequency so.
Speaker 3: Exists in our dimension like the square does the square
Speaker 3: exist with vibration and frequency and energy, or the square
Speaker 3: just exists as a two deconstruct.
Speaker 2: Look at it as let's let's just let's just say
Speaker 2: that it's all just energy. Let's just throw that out there.
Speaker 2: For example, it's it's limitless potential is energy, Right, That's
Speaker 2: that's all a tenth dimensional being would be, is just
Speaker 2: limitless potential. It doesn't have the confines of the laws
Speaker 2: of physics from the third dimension. It doesn't have the
Speaker 2: confines of living in this moment. It doesn't have the
Speaker 2: confines of remembering the past or dreaming about the future.
Speaker 2: It is everything. It is unlimited, undeniable, pure energy at
Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, it is everything that could be and
Speaker 2: everything that can't be, all rolled into one for every
Speaker 2: single possibility of everything that you can possibly imagine. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's some deep shit, and that's crazy that they found
Speaker 2: that in string theory, which is interesting because it seems
Speaker 2: like a more philosophical equation than it does a mathematical equation,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but string.
Speaker 2: Theory is still just a theory, right, And I mean
Speaker 2: that's the thing can only be. But that's the thing,
Speaker 2: it can only be a theory.
Speaker 3: Well, no, there's a couple of different theories. There are
Speaker 3: some people that try to disprove string theory in favor
Speaker 3: of their own. I forget what the other one's called.
Speaker 3: It's not loop theory, is it. There's like three or
Speaker 3: four big And then when I say big brain theories,
Speaker 3: I'm talking like you've seen Big Bang theory, right?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 2: Luisa was just watching Little Sheldon or whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: that show's called last night, and it's interesting. I don't
Speaker 2: like it. It's too showy, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm as far as the premise of the show. It's
Speaker 3: it's entertaining, I get it fine, but it is also
Speaker 3: a bit.
Speaker 2: It's basically nineteen eighty eight Roseanne in today's world. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: we've can we not just get beyond this concept of
Speaker 2: having fake laughs in the background and joking about dumb shit.
Speaker 3: Interesting that you brought up Roseanne, though, because the actress
Speaker 3: that played the daughter on Rose and she plays a
Speaker 3: scientist that's like Sheldon's nemesis, if you will, right on
Speaker 3: the Big Bang theory, and they get into it one
Speaker 3: day on one of these episodes about string theory versus
Speaker 3: whatever she believes in I forget if it's.
Speaker 4: Loop theory or box theory.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of them, right, and they're theoretical physicists
Speaker 3: that are at that level of thinking that argue back
Speaker 3: and forth whether string theory is completely full of shit
Speaker 3: or if it is literally the way the truth in
Speaker 3: the life here. And you have others on the other
Speaker 3: side of the isle, not political isle, we're talking you know,
Speaker 3: physical physics ales that are arguing their point and their
Speaker 3: research and all these things, and they have credence and
Speaker 3: math to equate on both scales of it. Right now,
Speaker 3: for the research that I have done, which is not
Speaker 3: that much. I'm not a physicist, string theory makes more
Speaker 3: sense to me at this moment, but that could be
Speaker 3: wiped away tomorrow. Honestly, there's a lot of question marks
Speaker 3: still within it. There's a reason why it's still a theory.
Speaker 3: And no, no, I know what people are going to say,
Speaker 3: it's just like the theory of gravity because we can't
Speaker 3: prove it. It's like, Okay, that's not why it's considered
Speaker 3: a theory. It's considered a theory because there's still a
Speaker 3: lot of gaps that can't be answered at this moment,
Speaker 3: and maybe one day the technology in the math will
Speaker 3: get there. For where we're at right now, in our
Speaker 3: three dimensional existence, there are certain questions that physically cannot
Speaker 3: get answered. And the same with the square. He didn't
Speaker 3: have the physical ability to have a third dimensional conversation
Speaker 3: from his two dimensional flatland vantage point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I wanted to throw this out
Speaker 2: there too, because you're right that you know theories whatever,
Speaker 2: But as far as I don't think gravity of it,
Speaker 2: you know it should be involved in this conversation because yeah,
Speaker 2: is gravity still a theory, absolutely, but there are still
Speaker 2: aspects of it that you can measure, and that's we're
Speaker 2: not that's completely different than string theory. There are no
Speaker 2: aspects that you can measure from the fifth dimension.
Speaker 3: None, we not with not with three dimensional instruments or
Speaker 3: three dimensional math.
Speaker 4: Right, That's that's preposterous.
Speaker 2: Right right. It's like go into a dream and measure, like,
Speaker 2: pick up anything and try and measure it in this reality.
Speaker 3: You can't thank you, thank you that we have a
Speaker 3: lot of flat earthers that come on and I'm not
Speaker 3: sitting on the flat Earth community love you all, just
Speaker 3: saying love you. You have done a lot of work
Speaker 3: to blow the lid off a lot of conspiracies. And
Speaker 3: I'm with you, But then when you get onto certain
Speaker 3: conversations about the theory of gravity, the theory of this, the
Speaker 3: theory of this, It's like, dude, that's unanswerable questions. We
Speaker 3: have all of the evidence to show that this is
Speaker 3: the way it works. But if you're just looking for
Speaker 3: some sort of concrete, you're not gonna find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I used to be somebody
Speaker 2: who used to know believe in that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: because I was like hardcore into the gravity is fake,
Speaker 2: it's all density kind of shit. And I think that
Speaker 2: you're talking about two different things. I think that you're
Speaker 2: talking about the density is measuring the weight of something.
Speaker 2: Gravity is measuring its attraction to whatever it's falling too.
Speaker 3: And they're always like, well, weighs more a pound of
Speaker 3: letter a pound of feathers, And I'm like, that's not.
Speaker 4: A good example to throw out right now.
Speaker 2: It's I actually don't care if somebody wants to call
Speaker 2: it gravity or electromagnetism. That's a that's a different debate,
Speaker 2: but density different. No, not that that's not the same
Speaker 2: thing exactly.
Speaker 3: I also don't believe that, because we've had this conversation
Speaker 3: before too, and I'm not sitting me trying to like
Speaker 3: one up anybody or you or anything. There are certain
Speaker 3: people that believe that dimensions could also be called densities
Speaker 3: third density, fourth density, fifth density. I understand why people
Speaker 3: would say that. That is a different conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like we had the Reptilian channeler on which
Speaker 2: he reached out to us, he sent us his company
Speaker 2: T shirts. He was saying that he was gonna come on,
Speaker 2: and then I haven't heard from him in six months.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, maybe someday, who knows. But that's something that.
Speaker 3: Directs that that fourth dimensional cube that has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with density at all. It does have to do
Speaker 3: with a fourth dimension.
Speaker 2: You can't weigh a fucking geometric object in the fifth dimension.
Speaker 2: You can't weigh it in our physical reality. Now, that's
Speaker 2: that's the limitations of our physical reality. When we were
Speaker 2: talking about the tenth dimensional fucking beings, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: they can weigh it.
Speaker 4: Maybe, I mean, I don't even know if they have.
Speaker 2: There's no limitations with weight.
Speaker 3: Do they have weight or at that point, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's all energy, which you're more of a wavelng lock.
Speaker 2: At that point, you can probably assign the weight to
Speaker 2: the object.
Speaker 3: Sure right, the same way this stick figure will never
Speaker 3: understand the concept of what a one pound weight is.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have the capabilities for it. It doesn't have the
Speaker 3: faculties for that.
Speaker 2: Well in weight goes into gravity, you know, and shit
Speaker 2: like that, because without gravity, what's weight exactly? You know,
Speaker 2: Like you have to have something compressing against something else
Speaker 2: in order to tell you how much it weighs, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to have it. So anyway, I want to
Speaker 2: throw this out there because we're talking about string theory,
Speaker 2: and I love quantum theory personally, but I do like
Speaker 2: string theory as well. I'm not saying that I prefer
Speaker 2: one or the other. I think they're just both very interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what the differences are between them,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. You know what, I did have
Speaker 3: some other stuff pulled up about an alien experience in
Speaker 3: West Virginia. We ain't getting into it today. We're talking
Speaker 3: dimensional shit, Okay, aliens? Can we talked about another episode?
Speaker 3: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: All right? So string theory aims to unify all fundamental
Speaker 2: forces of nature, including gravity, by modeling particles as one
Speaker 2: dimensional strings, while quantum theory focuses on the behavior of
Speaker 2: particles at the sub atomic level. Both theories address different
Speaker 2: aspects of physics, while with string theory attempting to bridge
Speaker 2: the gap between between quantum mechanics and general relativity, so
Speaker 2: they don't even necessarily go against each other. This is
Speaker 2: the same thing. I think. This is the same thing
Speaker 2: of talking about density and gravity. It's like different things.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about here.
Speaker 5: Mmm.
Speaker 2: So I found something on uh consensus.
Speaker 3: Okay ooh okay ooh okay, okay, okay, So I found
Speaker 3: a video. It's like four and a half minutes long,
Speaker 3: quantum field theory versus string theory.
Speaker 2: You know what, Let's do that, all right, let me
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 4: I know there's gonna be a tad.
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Speaker 2: And you gotta you gotta share this. Oh there you go.
Speaker 4: Yep, all right, so here we go.
Speaker 3: This is It's only four more and a half minutes long,
Speaker 3: give or take. Chronicles of the Curious shout out on YouTube.
Speaker 3: This is quantum field theory versus string theory, unveiling the
Speaker 3: foundations of the universe. And honestly, I don't know that
Speaker 3: much about either, so I'm excited. Let's see what's up.
Speaker 7: The vast universe, stretching infinitely outward, with galaxies, stars, and
Speaker 7: the mysterious voids between them, has long been the subject
Speaker 7: of human wonder. Yet as our vision turns inward, zooming
Speaker 7: past the atomic and delving deep into the realm of
Speaker 7: the subatomic, we're faced with puzzles that challenge our very
Speaker 7: understanding of reality. Quantum field theory and string theory stand
Speaker 7: as two monumental pillars in our pursuit to decode these puzzles,
Speaker 7: offering contrasting yet compelling views of the universe's fundamental essence.
Speaker 7: Quantum field theory, or QFT, posits a universal wash, with
Speaker 7: fields like invisible fabrics, stretching across every corner of space.
Speaker 7: These fields exist for each particle type. Imagine an endless ocean,
Speaker 7: calm and serene. Every disturbance, be it a gentle ripple
Speaker 7: or a tumultuous wave, is analogous to a particle emerging
Speaker 7: from its respective field. This analogy extends to the particles
Speaker 7: we're familiar with, electrons, photons, quarks, and so forth. They
Speaker 7: are all manifestations of vibrations in their corresponding fields. In
Speaker 7: many ways, QFT provides the backdrop for the universe's grand theatre,
Speaker 7: laying down the stage on which particles interact and play
Speaker 7: out the grand cosmic drama. This theory's elegance shines particularly
Speaker 7: brightly when we consider its ability to describe three of
Speaker 7: the four known fundamental forces, electromagnetism and the weak and
Speaker 7: strong nuclear forces. The equations of QFT, crystallized in the
Speaker 7: standard model of particle physics, have been confirmed with stunning
Speaker 7: precision in countless experiments, every accelerator experiment, every observation reaffirms
Speaker 7: the resonant notes of the quantum fields. Yet for all
Speaker 7: its triumphant choruses, QFT fulters when attempting to incorporate the
Speaker 7: universe's maestro gravity. Here in the interplay of the quantum
Speaker 7: and the gravitational emerge dissonances and theoretical cacophonies, urging us
Speaker 7: to look for a more harmonious tune. Enter string theory,
Speaker 7: a melody of a different tamba, abandoning the notion of point.
Speaker 3: Okay, real quick, before we get into it on the
Speaker 3: onset here quantum theory, I get it. I understand what
Speaker 3: they're trying to go for here, and it does account
Speaker 3: for three of the four known things here energy sources.
Speaker 3: It doesn't account for gravity, which is pretty crazy. I
Speaker 3: didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because uh, gravity wouldn't exist in the quantum realm,
Speaker 2: I think, or not that it wouldn't exist, It just
Speaker 2: exists differently. So that's why they're having trouble with it,
Speaker 2: because they're trying to understand, well, why does gravity work
Speaker 2: different at the micro level compared to the macro level.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of a conundrument and of itself. It
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily disprove anything. It's just stating like the obvious, like, well,
Speaker 2: how come all these different protons, neutrons, and electrons can
Speaker 2: move about freely they're not affected by gravity? Well, I
Speaker 2: mean it's because they are unmanifested forms of physical reality
Speaker 2: at that point, right, all right, Okay, all they are
Speaker 2: is just potential, so potential, it's not going to have
Speaker 2: the limitations of something that is physical in a certain sense, right, Like,
Speaker 2: maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I've seen where you're going with this,
Speaker 3: and wow, okay, this is fascinating.
Speaker 4: All right, So now let's learn about string theory.
Speaker 3: And I'm curious if it answers the gravity questions and
Speaker 3: what questions it also leaves us with, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Or maybe there's some sort of a weird
Speaker 3: combination of the two a play. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: see what.
Speaker 7: Up The interplay of the quantum and the gravitational emerge
Speaker 7: dissonances and theoretical cacophonies, urging us to look for a
Speaker 7: more harmonious tune. Enter string theory, a melody of a
Speaker 7: different timber. Abandoning the notion of point like particles, string
Speaker 7: theory envisions a universe echoing with the vibrations of minuscule
Speaker 7: strings of energy. Each vibrational pattern corresponds to a different particle.
Speaker 7: It's akin to a grand cosmic orchestra with strings vibrating
Speaker 7: in harmony, producing notes that we perceive as particles. Among
Speaker 7: these harmonies, gravity, the force that eluded a quantum description,
Speaker 7: finds its rightful place, arising from a specific vibrational mode
Speaker 7: of these fundamental strings. But string theory doesn't stop at
Speaker 7: strings vibrating in our familiar dimensions. It dares to postulate
Speaker 7: the existence of extra dimensions, realms beyond our usual perception.
Speaker 7: These dimensions could be intricately folded, woven into the very
Speaker 7: fabric of space, time, influencing particle interactions and the universe's structure.
Speaker 7: Both QFT and string theory have their strengths and unresolved challenges.
Speaker 7: While qft's predictions aligned beautifully with experimental results at accessible
Speaker 7: energy scales, its inability to reconcile with gravity remains its
Speaker 7: achilles heel. String theory, on the other hand, boasts a
Speaker 7: framework that promises gravity's inclusion, but its predictions often lie
Speaker 7: beyond current experimental reach, making it a tapestry of elegant
Speaker 7: mathematics yearning for empirical validation. Moreover, the implications of these
Speaker 7: theories extend beyond the confines of physics.
Speaker 2: They push us to.
Speaker 7: Grapple with profound philosophical questions about reality's nature, existence, and
Speaker 7: the universe's vastness compared to its fundamental building blocks. If
Speaker 7: string theory's postulate of multiple dimensions holds true, it revolutionizes
Speaker 7: our understanding of reality, suggesting a universe far richer and
Speaker 7: more intricate than previously imagined. These theories are more than
Speaker 7: mere mathematical constructs. They represent our quest to understand our
Speaker 7: place in the grand cosmic narrative. As we continue unraveling
Speaker 7: the universe's mysteries, guided by the insights of QFT and
Speaker 7: string theory, we're reminded of the journey's beauty and the
Speaker 7: tantalizing promise of discoveries yet to come. Whether our ultimate
Speaker 7: description of reality resonates with the notes of quantum fields,
Speaker 7: the melodies of vibrating strings, or an entirely new symphony
Speaker 7: awaiting its debut, our endeavors highlight the boundless potential of
Speaker 7: human curiosity and our insatiable desire to decode the cosmos.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what I think about all of it.
Speaker 2: Could they be just different aspects of the entire whole?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about, Like sheets, like a
Speaker 3: fabric of some type. String theory is saying that it's
Speaker 3: all strings. Correct me if I'm wrong with fabrics are
Speaker 3: nothing more than woven strings?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But even even more so,
Speaker 2: like getting down to like quantum particles for example, and
Speaker 2: maybe why they wouldn't be affected by gravity is because
Speaker 2: you're only looking at just the smaller minute version of itself.
Speaker 2: And maybe if you extend outward and zoom out a
Speaker 2: little bit, you'll see that it's connected to a string.
Speaker 3: Possibly, Like it's like, uh, particles are affected by outside sources,
Speaker 3: maybe not gravity, but they act differently when being watched,
Speaker 3: for instance. So they have their own uh. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say version of sentience, but they have their
Speaker 3: own uh. I don't even know how you call that
Speaker 3: their own sixth sense if you.
Speaker 2: Will, individuals a part of the whole.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Possibly, it's almost like like the idea of all the
Speaker 2: what is it the five blind men that are trying
Speaker 2: to touch an elephant?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Could it be something like that that maybe in the
Speaker 2: quantum world, they're all one touch a foot, once touching
Speaker 2: an ass, once touching a nutsack, whatever, right, and they're
Speaker 2: all saying, well, here I got this nutsack, Here I
Speaker 2: got this ass, here's this tail, right, and that's what
Speaker 2: this is. Maybe whenever you zoom out you see the
Speaker 2: string that it's connected to, you see that it's all
Speaker 2: vibrating to a specific tune, and you'll be able to see,
Speaker 2: all right, well, this, this uh string that is vibrating
Speaker 2: is not just a note, but it's actually part of
Speaker 2: a grander symphony.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, dude.
Speaker 3: And so all right, all right, now we tie these
Speaker 3: in to these other dimensions, right, and we know that
Speaker 3: lenked with height and time, right or depth, I should say,
Speaker 3: then time and then whatever the hell the fifth looks like,
Speaker 3: whatever the hell the sixth acts like, whatever the hell
Speaker 3: the seventh thinks like? Right, the laws of physics quote unquote,
Speaker 3: what actual laws of physics apply in the seventh dimension?
Speaker 2: Right, And that's why we would have to just go
Speaker 2: back to this board, because all right, let's just say
Speaker 2: hypothetically here, for example, if we were trying to determine
Speaker 2: what dimension the tic tac comes from, just by seeing
Speaker 2: what its capabilities and limitations are, right, would you say
Speaker 2: that it is existing in the fourth so often considered
Speaker 2: the dimension that allows for the progression of events and
Speaker 2: the concept of change. Maybe possibly the fifth, which is
Speaker 2: a dimension that could represent alternate realities or parallel universes.
Speaker 3: Probably possibly, yeah, because at that point the fifth well
Speaker 3: that's the other thing too. Are we to assume that
Speaker 3: the entities living in the fifth dimension have mastered the
Speaker 3: fourth because I mean, we could make the argument to
Speaker 3: say that a third dimensional entity has mastered the two
Speaker 3: D realm. Right, we know shapes, we know g that's
Speaker 3: all that is is two dimensional math, right, yeah, trigonometry. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: we go into three dimensional shapes and we talk about
Speaker 3: volume mathematically. But I would argue that if we are humans,
Speaker 3: are fourth dimensional entities living in the third dimension. Fine,
Speaker 3: And I'm not even one hundred percent sold on that,
Speaker 3: I could see us also being third dimensional entities living
Speaker 3: in the third dimension. Not talking about the mind and
Speaker 3: the spirit, We're talking about this carbon based life form
Speaker 3: water sack that I call my body.
Speaker 4: Right, we as a.
Speaker 3: Species have mastered the first and second dimensions at least
Speaker 3: we can maybe not manipulate it, but we understand it
Speaker 3: to all of the realms. Okay, is it equally possible
Speaker 3: to say that a fourth dimensional entity has mastered all
Speaker 3: of the third dimensional realm? Second dimensional realm and first
Speaker 3: dimensional realm or is it something that they actually don't
Speaker 3: have a concept of, because why would they care about
Speaker 3: a square did why would a fourth dimensional entity even
Speaker 3: like think about or even do the math on a
Speaker 3: two dimensional playing field that's so far out to maybe
Speaker 3: the realm of what they look at.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's part of the game, Like maybe maybe
Speaker 2: the game is to take something from a lower dimension
Speaker 2: and try and see if you can convince it that
Speaker 2: other dimensions exist, Like maybe that's well up to at
Speaker 2: least their point, like up to at least to where
Speaker 2: they are. So this is why I want to throw
Speaker 2: this out there. So if these entities just hypothetically here
Speaker 2: are coming from the fifth dimension, a dimension that could
Speaker 2: represent alternate realities or parallel universes, well that would get
Speaker 2: into well let me just bring let's break down the
Speaker 2: sixth dimension real quick too, because they have to play
Speaker 2: into each other. So the sixth dimension a dimension that
Speaker 2: includes all possible timelines and variation of events that could occur.
Speaker 2: I would think that they would have to be coming
Speaker 2: from the fifth dimension if they are coming here to
Speaker 2: teach us something, because they wouldn't know that beyond on
Speaker 2: them all realities exist anyway, and so they're maybe coming
Speaker 2: in a panic. Well, we got to make sure you
Speaker 2: do this. We got to make sure you learn that.
Speaker 2: We got to make sure that you're you're transcending up
Speaker 2: to this level. Meanwhile, the dimension beyond them, it's like, yo,
Speaker 2: what you're tripping about for like, it's it's all going
Speaker 2: to happen anyway.
Speaker 3: That's assuming that they're trying to teach us or trying
Speaker 3: to show us.
Speaker 2: That's assuming that, yes, if they even give a fuck
Speaker 2: in that regard, you see what I meand if they did,
Speaker 2: But I can imagine, like, for example, like if we
Speaker 2: were able to observe a second dimensional object and we
Speaker 2: were trying to show them, like, yo, there is so
Speaker 2: much more out here. We like if you knew that
Speaker 2: that little thing was living, you could observe that hypothetically
Speaker 2: here you could observe that it has a heartbeat, or
Speaker 2: it has a thought, or there's blood flowing or whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck that that makes him seem real. Maybe he
Speaker 2: just starts walking all over the place.
Speaker 3: Who knows, right, because a stick figure wouldn't have heart
Speaker 3: or blood.
Speaker 4: But like he something sentients, you know.
Speaker 2: He's some sort of some sort of little mentality, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe something that gives off that he's more than just
Speaker 2: a stick figure. You're able to observe that, hypothetically, if
Speaker 2: you were able to observe that and be like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this thing is a second dimensional thing. And like,
Speaker 2: I like, I just want to show him, like because
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what he's missing, Like there's so much
Speaker 2: more that he could be experiencing. And yeah, he maybe
Speaker 2: he's gonna have his own limitations, but for him to
Speaker 2: know that, because I think that it would have to
Speaker 2: be like a soul to soul connection kind of thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to fucking go and kill a dog, right,
Speaker 2: you know, because there's a there's that soul to soul
Speaker 2: kind of connection there, right, But for some reason, people
Speaker 2: have no problem killing a deer because fuck a deer,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, because they're delicious. I mean, hell in
Speaker 3: China that he dogs. Well, yeah, sure, I mean I'm
Speaker 3: not like trying to straw man you here. I' well,
Speaker 3: let me make it a little bit a little bit
Speaker 3: more obvious here. Let's just put it into terms of
Speaker 3: like babies are second dimensional objects and grown ups are
Speaker 3: third dimensional objects.
Speaker 2: Let's put it like that. If you're not gonna want
Speaker 2: to eat the baby, you're not gonna want to put
Speaker 2: it in harms way, you're not gonna want to destroy
Speaker 2: its world. I mean, there are people out there that
Speaker 2: will do that. We all know about the adrena chrome
Speaker 2: junkies and the people that are having fucking two or
Speaker 2: three abortions a year, right, Like, those people absolutely exist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then the majority would look at that baby and
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, this poor baby. Somebody put
Speaker 2: a blanket on them, Somebody give this baby a diaper,
Speaker 2: a little bottle of milk. Let's let's let's like nourish
Speaker 2: this baby and and try and help this baby. And
Speaker 2: I just out of my own personality here, I would
Speaker 2: like to think that that's how the higher dimensional entities
Speaker 2: look at us. They look at us like we're the
Speaker 2: babies and that maybe we're the ones that need nourished
Speaker 2: in that sense. I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: It's possible.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not negating the poss stability of that, but
Speaker 3: I think it's also equally possible.
Speaker 4: And it's not even that they're they're saying like, oh
Speaker 4: fuck those three D beings.
Speaker 3: It's like they don't think about us, because why would
Speaker 3: they just because they live in the fourth or fifth
Speaker 3: or sixth dimension doesn't mean they're trying to elevate those
Speaker 3: of a lower dimension than them.
Speaker 4: They're doing their thing, they're living their life.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could we could be talking about an
Speaker 2: as above so below kind of conversation right here that
Speaker 2: maybe whatever happens in this reality one way or another,
Speaker 2: the strings of quantum theory ripple up to their dimension,
Speaker 2: you know. And maybe you know because you always hear
Speaker 2: about how there's always UFO sightings over a military bases,
Speaker 2: right and that seems to be like something that has
Speaker 2: been seen thousands of times, and why would that happen? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you hear about certain planes that are carrying
Speaker 2: atomic bombs or missiles or something like that that somehow
Speaker 2: seemingly have some kind of interaction with an interdimensional object,
Speaker 2: and you're like, what the fuck is really going on
Speaker 2: right here? And so could it be that there are
Speaker 2: ripple effects? If every single thing in the universe is
Speaker 2: made out of strings, and we are a piece of
Speaker 2: that thread on the string that ripples up through all
Speaker 2: of the dimensions, then you could see why they wouldn't
Speaker 2: want us to destroy each other because it would affect
Speaker 2: them as above so below kind of situation.
Speaker 3: When we say above again, I don't think we're talking
Speaker 3: about like in the heavens. We're talking about like one
Speaker 3: dimension over above above. It's more of a next door
Speaker 3: type of thing.
Speaker 2: Not even it's above dimensionally like above in the sense
Speaker 2: of their vibrating higher. They're experiencing different things there. There,
Speaker 2: there's a higher frequency, there's a you know, not.
Speaker 3: Necessarily maybe the higher or lower frequencies just frequent or
Speaker 3: they they oscillate differently on that dimension, not higher or lower.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We as humans want to assume that a six dimensional
Speaker 3: entity is more elevated, more enlightened in all these things.
Speaker 4: That's not necessarily true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that concept has rippled all the way out
Speaker 2: through even religion. I know we're not trying to go
Speaker 2: religious here, but even in religion it says, you know,
Speaker 2: on heaven as it is in earth right or vice versa.
Speaker 3: The Lord's prayer, everybody says the Bible even says as
Speaker 3: above so below. That is not what that's trying to
Speaker 3: say at all, To say the Lord's prayer, our father,
Speaker 3: who are in heaven hollow would be thy name, Thy Kingdom, Come,
Speaker 3: and thy will be done on earth as it is
Speaker 3: in heaven, on earth as it is in heaven.
Speaker 4: It is not its own separate sentence.
Speaker 3: It's saying, thy will be done on earth, just like
Speaker 3: your will is done in heaven.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you can attach that
Speaker 2: to I don't know how you can't attach that to
Speaker 2: string theory or quantum well.
Speaker 3: To your point though, as far as like it vibrating
Speaker 3: up to a different dimension or down to a different dimension.
Speaker 3: If string theory is correct, everything that they're saying, the
Speaker 3: every possibility of anything that's ever happened throughout all of
Speaker 3: time period are living in that realm, so I could
Speaker 3: see where you're going as far as.
Speaker 4: That goes, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, what we do affects everything else. But then
Speaker 3: in that same regard, everything they do affects us as well,
Speaker 3: just like everything that a two dimensional object does affects
Speaker 3: us as well.
Speaker 2: Sure, we would be at their behest, but also the
Speaker 2: things that we would do would affect them in one
Speaker 2: way or another. Hypothetically, because yes, if you're a tenth
Speaker 2: dimensional being, you know all things are possible, But the
Speaker 2: things that are happening in the third dimension are still happening,
Speaker 2: and there there's still a possibility, and because they happened,
Speaker 2: that has to be included into the equation of all
Speaker 2: possible things.
Speaker 3: Right, But then that's also to say that what this
Speaker 3: stick figure does and his two D realm will in
Speaker 3: some way, shape or form ripple my three D experience.
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, let me give you an example of how
Speaker 2: it could if you were able to observe the second dimension.
Speaker 2: This is the thing, like we're talking talking about things
Speaker 2: that can the tenth dimensional object, thing, energy, whatever, Can
Speaker 2: it observe us in the third dimension?
Speaker 4: Yes? Or no? It's possible.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's definitely possible. Why is it that we have
Speaker 2: the limited capabilities of observing the second dimension.
Speaker 3: Because we only have human eyes that can only see
Speaker 3: so much of the like spectrum. We only have human
Speaker 3: ears that can only hear so much of the sound spectrum.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, But if we had the ability to observe
Speaker 2: the second dimension. Okay, you just said that that second
Speaker 2: dimensional object wouldn't be able to do anything. But that's
Speaker 2: a hypothetical situation because we're not able to observe the
Speaker 2: second dimensional object. So for example, if that second dimensional
Speaker 2: object that you just drew would somehow have some kind
Speaker 2: of sentience that you could observe, and it just walked
Speaker 2: off of your piece of paper and tattooed itself onto
Speaker 2: your fucking body, and now it is. It can just
Speaker 2: it's almost like Maui's tattoos, right, like boop, go back
Speaker 2: to the armpit kind of thing. Right now, it could
Speaker 2: still effect you.
Speaker 3: With the flat Land book, when the sphere dropped the
Speaker 3: square back off in flat Land, the sphere, yeah, the
Speaker 3: ted talk showed him sitting on a park bench contemplating things,
Speaker 3: but the book never says this, Right, the sphear dropped
Speaker 3: him off and then went on to the third dimensional
Speaker 3: realm and lived its life.
Speaker 4: The square had no effect on him whatsoever. It didn't.
Speaker 3: It's not like the square like long to be with him.
Speaker 3: The sphere wasn't like trying to come back and save
Speaker 3: his buddy. He went on his merry way, and the
Speaker 3: square went insane and ended up in jail over it.
Speaker 4: So you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like we assume that they can observe us, and
Speaker 3: that they want to do these things. That's not that's
Speaker 3: not necessarily accurate. It could be, could very well be
Speaker 3: that the fifth and six dimensional beings are trying to
Speaker 3: elevate our understanding and our vibrations to get to their level.
Speaker 3: It's equally possible that they don't even consider us. They
Speaker 3: can observe us, but like they just don't because they
Speaker 3: don't care. They're doing their own six dimensional things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got they got their shit going on. But
Speaker 2: to say that there's apps no effect, I'm going to
Speaker 2: butt up against you there for a second, because and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a frame of reference that you've experienced,
Speaker 2: so hypothetically speaking, if the demon that came to show
Speaker 2: itself to you on the playground whenever you were four
Speaker 2: or five, six years old, whatever it was, if that
Speaker 2: demon was coming from a dimension. Hypothetically, hypothetically that demon
Speaker 2: came from a dimension and it popped into your reality.
Speaker 2: Of course you had the whole experience and everything else
Speaker 2: that came from it, right, and then it just went
Speaker 2: away and maybe it went back to its other dimension.
Speaker 2: Maybe it went back to the first or the sixth
Speaker 2: or the eighth dimension, whatever fucking dimension it comes from.
Speaker 2: If it comes from a from a dimension. It's not
Speaker 2: to say that that demon had no fundamental experience to
Speaker 2: your life. You're going to carry that experience with you
Speaker 2: every single day for the rest of your life. You're
Speaker 2: never going to forget it because it was such a
Speaker 2: profound experience. So to say that there's no effect on
Speaker 2: you whatsoever from another dimension is wrong.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not saying that there wouldn't be
Speaker 3: an effect on me or a human from a six
Speaker 3: dimensional encounter.
Speaker 4: The human would absolutely be affected by it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. And this goes back to
Speaker 2: the and this goes back to I believe that it's
Speaker 2: it's an individual experience and not a group masses experience.
Speaker 3: I could see that, But again, what would be the
Speaker 3: point now in that example, the demon was feeding off
Speaker 3: of me. He had a point for making himself known
Speaker 3: to me. There was a goal in mind. If a
Speaker 3: six dimensional entity, and again let's let's say that there
Speaker 3: is no positive or negative to this. Let's leave it
Speaker 3: at a neutral experience, right, A six dimensional entity has
Speaker 3: an exposure with a third dimensional entity and nobody got probed,
Speaker 3: nobody was hurt, nobody was scared.
Speaker 4: It was more or less just like a sit down
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 3: The human would absolutely be absolutely flabberg acid and had
Speaker 3: their mind blown at the fact that this thing even exists.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the sixth dimensional entity is like, yo, of course
Speaker 3: you exist. Like we've learned about you very early on
Speaker 3: in our education about the first and the second and
Speaker 3: the third and the fourth, Like we know all of
Speaker 3: your math.
Speaker 4: Like that's easy.
Speaker 3: Shit, it's not going to be affected by it, you
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Unless there was a.
Speaker 3: Point for the exposure, unless there was a goal in mind,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that there's not, there could be right,
Speaker 3: And I don't believe that demons and angels are necessarily
Speaker 3: external dimensionally, although I suppose in this conversation, why wouldn't
Speaker 3: they be? Right? But unless there was a goal or
Speaker 3: a point, then why would you do it? Is it
Speaker 3: just as simple as a stick figure drawn and erased
Speaker 3: for the hell of it?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 3: Because you're trying to elevate the lower dimensional to the
Speaker 3: higher dimensional way of thinking? But even still, it's like,
Speaker 3: how do you describe a fourth dimensional object to a square? Okay,
Speaker 3: the realm of comprehension to this thing?
Speaker 2: So just out of hypotheticals here. I wanted to see
Speaker 2: if if anybody could hypothesize which dimension angels came from,
Speaker 2: just hypothetically.
Speaker 3: Sure, again, I'm trying to stay away from religious.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but I want to be able to
Speaker 2: include it just as a thought exercise. Okay, like away
Speaker 2: from dogma. Let's just look at them as they are.
Speaker 3: I am of the belief that the spiritual realm is
Speaker 3: outside of all of these dimensions.
Speaker 2: Why would you think that because we just because we
Speaker 2: just read all of the different dimensions, and they seemingly
Speaker 2: would they would have to fit into a dimension, not
Speaker 2: necessarily one of these dimensions. But we're talking about literally
Speaker 2: something just in reference to the tenth dimension, the ultimate
Speaker 2: dimension that contains all possible universes, laws of physics and realities.
Speaker 2: What limitation? What limitation does an angel have in the
Speaker 2: tenth mention?
Speaker 3: That's but keep in mind, that's still a theory, right,
Speaker 3: That's a theory that is being perfect.
Speaker 2: No, and that's that's what we're talking about. It's just
Speaker 2: a thought exercise, that's all.
Speaker 4: That's my point.
Speaker 3: We think that that's what the tenth dimension is, we
Speaker 3: don't know that that's what that is. It's everything, past, future,
Speaker 3: and president. We don't know that to be true. Well,
Speaker 3: it's accepted, That's my point. It was accepted that the
Speaker 3: Earth was the center of the universe until Copernicus said otherwise.
Speaker 3: We don't know that that's actually what the tenth dimension
Speaker 3: is like. It is a theory being proposed.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, And I'm not trying to say that this
Speaker 2: is one way or that or another. I'm just saying, hypothetically,
Speaker 2: if angels did exist within one of these ten dimensions,
Speaker 2: which one would they come from. That's That's the only
Speaker 2: thing that I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: And what I'm saying is that I'm of the belief
Speaker 3: that heaven and Hell and angels and demons and God
Speaker 3: and Satan and everything of the spiritual is completely outside
Speaker 3: of the realm of what we could even comprehend dimensionally.
Speaker 3: I think that they are completely separate conversations. Sure, but
Speaker 3: why the aliens? And I don't put aliens in the
Speaker 3: same conversation as I do angels and demons. So many
Speaker 3: people do, but still trying to put them in a box.
Speaker 2: Here's the idea, though. We say spiritual because it's the
Speaker 2: only thing that we can do to put these things
Speaker 2: in a box in which we can't comprehend. But whenever
Speaker 2: you have, but whenever you have all these extra dimensional capabilities,
Speaker 2: would it necessarily be a spiritual Would you call it
Speaker 2: spiritual or would you just say it's a mechanism of
Speaker 2: that of that dimension.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I believe that they can kind of look the same,
Speaker 3: but I believe they're completely separate.
Speaker 2: Okay, so just tickle my pickle here for a second,
Speaker 2: just hypothetically here that if angels were to exist in
Speaker 2: a dimension. You know what's funny is is that you
Speaker 2: remember that episode where I brought out the dowsing rods
Speaker 2: and we were trying to fucking like talk to your
Speaker 2: angel or whatever it was. It was stupid, but then
Speaker 2: we asked, we asked it what dimension it came from?
Speaker 2: And then I asked you, like, what dimension you think
Speaker 2: it comes from? You're like, well, probably seventh? Right?
Speaker 3: It say seventh? Because seven is a holy number. That's
Speaker 3: why I said.
Speaker 2: That, seventh Heaven. Yeah, so, but it says angels are
Speaker 2: often described as beings of light from the seventh dimension
Speaker 2: and higher, existing in a realm that vibrates at frequencies
Speaker 2: beyond our normal perception. They are believed to operate under
Speaker 2: divine under divine will, rather than free will like humans.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I would have to argue against that point.
Speaker 2: Okay, But just the seventh dimensional conversation piece, so h.
Speaker 3: Also because that's the all encompassing of all types of
Speaker 3: matter and dimensions, past, prison, future, and all the things.
Speaker 2: It said seventh dimension and higher. Yeah, I would that's
Speaker 2: so the seventh dimension would be a dimension that encompasses
Speaker 2: all possible laws of physics and different physical realities. That's
Speaker 2: like the bottom of the barrel where angels could exist,
Speaker 2: is there?
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fair, And I'm saying this just out of
Speaker 4: my own personal opinion.
Speaker 3: It's possible that heaven is the tenth dimension and that's
Speaker 3: where God resides or the Creator or whatever the good
Speaker 3: cult members want to put as far as their creative
Speaker 3: force goes. Right, very possible that that is the tenth dimension. Fine,
Speaker 3: I don't know that, and I personally am of the belief.
Speaker 3: It's like saying the computer programmer is a part of
Speaker 3: the program.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 3: He is completely separate from the program. I believe the
Speaker 3: creator who created all these dimensions doesn't live in these dimensions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that being said, that computer programmer that created everything.
Speaker 2: Just hypothetically, here, if that was the tenth dimension, the
Speaker 2: ultimate the dimension, the ultimate dimension that contains all possible
Speaker 2: well universes, laws of physics, and realities, that is godlike
Speaker 2: power exactly.
Speaker 3: That's like omnipresent, omnipotent all the stuff. Which is why
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, Like I believe that if it was
Speaker 3: to be a dimensional conversation, like you said, probably seventh
Speaker 3: on up, there's a case to be made for that.
Speaker 3: But in the same way, I don't see the creator
Speaker 3: is separate from the creation. He created it. He knows
Speaker 3: all of the ins and outs. The angels were created
Speaker 3: outside of it. They you know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 3: demons were created outside of it. The devil was created
Speaker 3: outside of the computer program.
Speaker 2: Sure, but in the tenth dimension, where you have all
Speaker 2: of those capabilities, could you also still not exist within
Speaker 2: your own creation? Because technically it could, it could.
Speaker 3: I just personally don't believe that it does. And I
Speaker 3: may be so wrong here, and we're.
Speaker 2: Talking about we're trying to imagine this from a very
Speaker 2: very limited understanding. We can't even fathom the fifth dimension,
Speaker 2: let alone the tenth exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure there's gonna be people in the comments
Speaker 3: that are gonna, like disagree, They're gonna add their two
Speaker 3: cents please do. By the way, would love to hear
Speaker 3: everybody's take on this. And that's all I could again,
Speaker 3: could be so wrong. Maybe Hell is the fourth dimension
Speaker 3: and God resides in the tenth right, like.
Speaker 4: It's who's to say, who's to say? Right?
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I feel like that's just
Speaker 3: putting it all into a box of human construct That's all.
Speaker 3: I believe that the computer program that we live in
Speaker 3: right now, the tenth dimension is a part of the
Speaker 3: computer program. The guy who wrote the code isn't within
Speaker 3: the program.
Speaker 2: He's right, we're also trying to explain that. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's it's comparing the mystical to the scientific, and.
Speaker 3: This may be possibly where those two intersect, right, where
Speaker 3: they twine into their own DNA strand double helix looking. Shit.
Speaker 2: We always talk about, you know, give a caveman a
Speaker 2: cell phone, he's gonna call it magic, But fast forward
Speaker 2: two thousand years, it's commonplace, right, And in comparison, not
Speaker 2: even talking about fast forwarding through time, you're talking about
Speaker 2: time not being a thing, so that you could be
Speaker 2: if you're This is where it gets crazy, because if
Speaker 2: you are living in the fifth, sixth, seventh dimension, you
Speaker 2: could create a reality in which you are a caveman
Speaker 2: with a cell phone, possibly, I mean technically, and especially
Speaker 2: if you're in the tenth I mean, you know, the
Speaker 2: tenth dimensional beings could have given the caveman a cell phone,
Speaker 2: but they chose to wait for that caveman to evolve physically, mentally, spiritually,
Speaker 2: in every single type of way in order to not
Speaker 2: abuse the technology.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe did they choose it or is this just
Speaker 3: how it has to be. Right, Just because you have
Speaker 3: the ability to manipulate things of a lower dimension doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that necessarily you can, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, give a caveman a cell phone, he's only
Speaker 2: going to be able to play offline. And also, how's
Speaker 2: it going to be able to charge it? You know,
Speaker 2: there's not cell phone, there's not telephone lines, there's no
Speaker 2: electricity or anything, so you'd only have it for a
Speaker 2: few hours with no Wi Fi. So what would be
Speaker 2: the point in giving him this magical object?
Speaker 4: Well, fine, not even a cell phone.
Speaker 3: Let's say like a but taint lighter for instance, Okay,
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily have to be something that has to
Speaker 3: have like logistics to make work. Okay, fine, any any
Speaker 3: crazy advancement of technology. Right, But that's kind of my
Speaker 3: other question. Things have to go a certain way. I
Speaker 3: believe that there has to be a harmonious balance for
Speaker 3: existence to even you know, exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So that being said, just because I can get fuck
Speaker 3: with a two dimensional object like I have the ability to,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I have the permission to. And I don't
Speaker 3: mean from God, and I don't mean for the laws.
Speaker 3: I mean like, as far as the realm of this
Speaker 3: has to happen, like one plus one equals two, that
Speaker 3: is a law. There's no other way that that can
Speaker 3: go down. Just because I know real well, fire fair.
Speaker 3: But my point is, just because I believe that I
Speaker 3: can adjust the math to where one plus one doesn't
Speaker 3: equal to doesn't mean that it can happen that way,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So you're still operating under the confines of the physical
Speaker 2: material laws in which you live.
Speaker 3: In exactly, So, a six dimensional entity may not even
Speaker 3: have the ability, like the actual physical ability to fuck
Speaker 3: with the third dimension. They may theoretically be able to
Speaker 3: do some things or explain some things to a third
Speaker 3: dimensional creature. What maybe maybe, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: they have the ability to alter or adjust anything.
Speaker 2: But maybe they do. But maybe it's as simple as this.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, we're trying to determine what they have
Speaker 2: the capabilities of being able to do, right, Like, would
Speaker 2: they even notice the third dimension?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: What if? What if it was like a nose an
Speaker 2: ear right? Like? Could it be that the sixth dimension,
Speaker 2: instead of having a nose to smell it has the
Speaker 2: knowing to see the third dimension? Right? Like, you don't
Speaker 2: choose to smell, you just do. You don't choose to hear,
Speaker 2: you just do. You don't choose to fucking see, you
Speaker 2: just do. Could it be that the fifth sixth dimensional
Speaker 2: entities they just they just be doing it?
Speaker 3: That it's also possible, But I mean that's also going
Speaker 3: off of our five senses, And that's the thing. We
Speaker 3: only have five senses to even experience this game that
Speaker 3: we call life.
Speaker 2: Speak for yourself. We got a six over here, baby,
Speaker 2: with that third high all the way open.
Speaker 4: They arguably the six. I'm with you. I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to negate that.
Speaker 3: But my point is, do six dimensional entities even have
Speaker 3: sight or smell or sound.
Speaker 4: Or is it strictly energy?
Speaker 3: The sound can be perceived as a type of energy,
Speaker 3: smell could be perceived as a type of energy.
Speaker 4: It's not like they're actually smelling.
Speaker 3: They are, I guess, experiencing whatever that energy would equate
Speaker 3: to on that dimension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about mechanisms, like you.
Speaker 3: Would have to have things on the third dimension exactly
Speaker 3: six dimension? Do they even have mechanics at that point?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Like we can breathe because we got you know,
Speaker 2: lungs and shit. We we can see because we got
Speaker 2: these eyeballs and stuff like that, right, but you know
Speaker 2: at that higher dimension, I mean.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Or is it more of just the the energy and
Speaker 3: frequency and waves of all of the things all at once,
Speaker 3: at all times, and it doesn't they don't have the
Speaker 3: It's not like they're too dumb and they can't see,
Speaker 3: because what even is seeing?
Speaker 4: What is vision to a blind man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean senses are technically antennas, you know, in
Speaker 2: a certain way, like it's an antenna to match the
Speaker 2: the your your will or your conscious or whatever to
Speaker 2: the frequency of the of the atoms that are creating
Speaker 2: this little ball of energy that sends back some kind
Speaker 2: of signal back to your body in which you can
Speaker 2: you know, experience. Yeah, like all that shit's really going
Speaker 2: on all at the same time, and so yeah, this
Speaker 2: is this is some fucking I promise we're not even
Speaker 2: high for this conversation. This is this is definitely high
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Speaker 2: fucking best ones anyway, dude, Like the ones that are
Speaker 2: thought provoking and mind expanding. I didn't know all the
Speaker 2: capabilities of all the dimensions, you know, theorized within string
Speaker 2: theory like that is fascinating.
Speaker 4: I had no idea that this was gonna be the conversation.
Speaker 3: I thought we were going to talk about flat lamb
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