WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.960 What's up, body, people, and welcome to Countdowns a classic 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:24.359 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.640 thanks so much for joining me for another huge episode 4 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.839 of Countdown to Classic. And we've got a bit of 5 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.519 everything for you today, all of our project Depoch, obviously 6 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.920 the server that everybody's talking about that all of Countdowns 7 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:37.840 getting involved in, and you can't stop pouring into the 8 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:39.719 Guild and it's amazing to see more and more if 9 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.000 you joined. By the day, it's turning into a real thing. 10 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.079 But we've got sort of a serious side of the 11 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.880 podcast and then a much more fun and lighter side 12 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.799 of the podcast. So what we might do is, I'll 13 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.880 start off with the serious stuff. We'll do the season 14 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:54.920 desist at the top of the episode that goes for 15 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.000 about an hour and a half, and then we'll do 16 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.960 the much more fun guild related life side of things, 17 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.439 the Kangaroo Court, all that stuff. We have a bit 18 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:05.519 of fun with each other in the back half of 19 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.719 the last sort of two two and a half hours, 20 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.560 So guys, it's a long one. If you can't hear 21 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:13.359 it in our voices when we are discussing this server, 22 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.799 we are having the time of our lives. Guys, if 23 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.560 you have been curious about this thing and you haven't 24 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.879 dived in yet, I implore you to consider it. Come 25 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.359 and join the guild. Just tell us that you know 26 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.920 you're a long time listener or you know you know 27 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.200 when we ask you for the password. There is no 28 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:34.400 set password, Guys, We're just throwing it back to you 29 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.319 to say something that shows to us that you're a 30 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.799 listener of the show and you're in. That's it. But guys, look, 31 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.239 please do enjoy the show and I'll speak to you 32 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:49.079 at the end. Thanks so much. All right, So the 33 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.760 bomb just dropped, you know, the big news has arrived 34 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.799 that probably some of you were expecting. Blizzard is on 35 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.120 the legal warpath and Epoch very much so now has 36 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:05.200 a target painted on its back, much in the way 37 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:09.120 that has happened with Turtle Wow. And then since we 38 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.000 last recorded, and I wasn't able to talk about because 39 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.800 it hadn't happened yet. Eva Look had the same seas 40 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.599 and desist letter I believe sent in their direction, and 41 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.280 that's interestingly run by the same people as Turtle Wow. 42 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:26.520 So for a second there I sort of thought, oh, okay, 43 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.800 maybe they're just waging war on this one developer or something. 44 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.520 They're really going after them. But of course, a little 45 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.360 a small part of me was like, look, I can 46 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:37.960 kind of see the direction the wind is blowing on 47 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.479 this one. Let's, you know, hold our breath and see 48 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.759 how long it takes. And then we got the news 49 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.680 just a few hours ago that the developers of Epoch 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:50.240 have received a notably received deceease and desist letter as 51 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.800 opposed to having a lawsuit filed against them, So they've 52 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.960 kind of had not as serious of a legal step 53 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.520 taken against them, but still, you know, a note one, 54 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.800 when that letter arrives in the mail, you're going to 55 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.879 perk up and take notice and go, oh shit, they 56 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.960 mean business. So all this this stuff has happened, and 57 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.000 people are going ballistic in the Countdown discord, all discussing 58 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.800 what this means and what's going to happen next, And 59 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.400 we were waiting for an update from the Epoch team, 60 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.000 and then we got one and sorry, I'm just going 61 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:21.560 to turn up my volume real quick. Bear with me 62 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:27.800 one second. Very good, And so then what happened was 63 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.520 we started hearing back from the Epoch development team and 64 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.000 the Ascension team on what they were planning to do next. 65 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:41.080 So what we got told was the Epoch team via 66 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.319 Ktot's the lead dev and sort of you know, brainchild 67 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.280 of all of this. He has said that, all right, 68 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:52.919 I'm stepping out. Okay, I'm announcing to the world. Watch 69 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.719 me say this. I am taking down what I can 70 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.439 take down since I entered this agreement with Ascension, I 71 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.520 will take down the Epoch website. I will, you know, 72 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:09.520 stop developing Winki. At least that's how I read it. 73 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:14.400 For Project Epoch. We're all out. Where done? You know, 74 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.279 whatever Ascension done. This is un paraphrasing, but whatever Ascension 75 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.120 does from here is on them. The original Epoch team 76 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.040 is out. Smoke bomb. Then we heard from the Ascension 77 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.680 team who said, okay, so as far as our side 78 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.920 of the development goes, they did the Wolf of Wall Street. 79 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.439 We're not fucking going anywhere. The servers will stay up. 80 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:39.959 We will not only keep them up, but we will 81 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.439 continue development for them. And they're basically saying to the 82 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.839 player base, you can continue to play here and we 83 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.000 will keep rolling on for I mean, the subtext was 84 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.560 for as long as we can, but there definitely seem 85 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:56.879 to be a sense of defiance in their posts that 86 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.800 they weren't wilting and rolling over because of this season 87 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.000 this letter. So that's where we are. That that's a 88 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:08.600 very very you know, crude tldr of what has happened 89 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.360 over the last four or five hours. So I'm going 90 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.439 to open it up to the crowd here. I've really 91 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.000 only I woke up twenty minutes ago. Guys. It's you know, 92 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.360 just before seven o'clock in the morning here in Australia. 93 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:20.639 I'm still sort of wrapping my head around all this. 94 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:22.839 But you know, like I said, I was half prepared 95 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.600 for it anyway, so I sort of know what I 96 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.240 would want to say. But I'll open it up to 97 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.000 the crowd, lads. I might start with you, mate, and 98 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.240 you know, get you to kick us off and just 99 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:37.800 say the simple question, what was your reaction to the news? 100 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:43.959 Sad but not not surprised. I didn't think they were 101 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.000 going to stop. Does it makes sense just to go 102 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:50.240 after one private server? But I've definite had a lot 103 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.000 of fun the server, and but I can't really complain 104 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:56.800 because it's you know, it's Blizzard's ip, and they're a 105 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.240 right to defend it, especially if they want one. 106 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.240 No, I think it would be. So I'll just say, 107 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.000 like one hundred percent, We're in the same position with 108 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.040 te Wow, like the season desists letter, like all of 109 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.079 this makes sense. Like again, one hundred percent Blizzard, you know, 110 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.920 protecting their IP and my antswer If anyone thinks that 111 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.240 my answer is going to fucking change from the massive 112 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.000 legal rants, I just went on with t Wow because 113 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.319 I happened to be playing on Epoch. You know, all 114 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.800 the te wow enjoyers might be rubbing their hands together 115 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.839 and going, yes, yes, now he's going to change his 116 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.199 tune because his favorite little private server is you know, 117 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.040 under the eye of sour On. Fuck. No, my answer 118 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.160 doesn't change. Blizzard is still completely justified in doing all. 119 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.399 This doesn't mean I'm going to stop playing, but anyway, 120 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.360 we'll go on from there. Sorry I cut you off, lads, 121 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:42.839 Keep going. 122 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:44.279 So. 123 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.240 I mean, on the one hand, it's it's sad because 124 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:51.600 I'm having so much fun on the server, But if 125 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.560 you're looking forward to a Blizzard Classic Plus, at least 126 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.759 it showing I said the same thing last week, But 127 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.519 it's showing that they're putting resources into and planning on 128 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.480 releasing Classic Plus, not just planning release yet, but they 129 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.040 seem to be put in resources and planning into it. 130 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.319 So if you're interested in Blizzards Classic Plus, then that's 131 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:13.319 good news I think for you. 132 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:16.920 Well, I mean, if I can just prod you and 133 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.000 then I'll get to everyone else, guys. I want to 134 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.519 hear from as many people as I can on this 135 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:25.120 one in terms of Blizzard's Classic Plus. You know, the 136 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:31.480 one interesting question that this raises I thought out loud 137 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.560 in the discord recently and sort of said, you know, 138 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.839 I did think this was a little bit maybe of 139 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.519 a crusade against t Wow because, like we said, they 140 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.439 got too big for their breeches. And I said about 141 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.319 two days ago in the discord I typed out that 142 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.920 I don't think and obviously this was a horrible prediction now, 143 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.480 but I said, I don't necessarily think that blizz will 144 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.600 go after Epoch yet yet. Being the key word I said, 145 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.560 I think I think eventually, yes, absolutely, but I wouldn't 146 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.399 be shocked if the Classic Wow team sort of takes 147 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.199 advantage of the free R and D that they're getting 148 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.600 via Epoch right now, Like they get to jump in 149 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.480 there and see it, They get to see what people 150 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.560 like and what they don't like what the feedback is. 151 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.160 So I was a little bit shocked at the timing, 152 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.720 but I guess it makes sense now if this is 153 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.879 just the window that they've decided to do all of this. 154 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.879 But also it does lead to the question with the timing, Laz, 155 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.639 is there a small chance that Blizzard is cooking up 156 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.360 something a little bit sooner than we thought with their 157 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.039 Classic plus or do you think their C plus is 158 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.279 still a year away and they're just knocking all this 159 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.080 out now well in advance. 160 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.159 I wish I had a I want to be confident 161 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:50.639 until you give you an answer, but I have no 162 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:56.399 idea I think, but I do think that the timing, 163 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.759 I'll just try to getting their heads. I don't think 164 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.559 they want people to get used to the server and 165 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.480 having fun and formed, you know, for reason rate because 166 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.039 once you're established you have a good time, you're less 167 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.559 likely to even invest in time into your character. You're 168 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.919 less likely to switch over to theirs. I know, for me, 169 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.600 I'm having fun the server and they've lost. I had 170 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.279 a Classic Blizzard sub from twenty nineteen to about January 171 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:30.519 of this year, and I quit. I've quit my Supprissian 172 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.399 because of the RMT going on there, and so. 173 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.360 You know, I'm I might go. 174 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.600 Back if for a classic Blizzard Classic Plus, I might not, 175 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:44.279 but certainly if this, if they if there's no alternative, 176 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:45.399 I'm more likely to go back. 177 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.320 To a Blizzard server for sure. Unfortunately. 178 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:53.120 And yeah, so I think they're going after that, you know, 179 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.279 players like me who might not come back if there's 180 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:57.240 a better alternative. 181 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.039 Very good, very good. We'll love it enough, guys, I'll 182 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.000 let you go back to tanking the BRD that we're 183 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:04.000 watching live. Laz Thank you so much for trying to 184 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:08.480 talk to us while doing that. Very good, guys, everyone else, Look, 185 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:10.879 I might there's about twelve of us in this call, 186 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.960 so we might trip on each other a little bit, 187 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.960 but as best we can, I'll try, and you know, 188 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.840 direct traffic key who wants to talk to me next 189 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:23.399 about what was your reaction to this legal news on Epoch? 190 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.080 I can respond a little bit to what Lazarus was 191 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:30.679 saying as well. 192 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.639 Sure, yeah, I think that he's. 193 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.720 Really a good point that it does like increase the 194 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.360 likelihood that we get a Blizzard Class at plus, which 195 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:44.440 we kind of already knew anyway, But I feel that 196 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.279 it doesn't speak well for what we get, and we 197 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:51.320 get classid plus if you want to frame it from 198 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.440 like how does it affect a Blizzard product, which is 199 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.600 like you're saying, like this is a beautiful experiment in 200 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:59.559 what a classic plus is. It's not a lot of 201 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:02.600 people I did a lot of people playing it's a 202 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.120 buggy mess, and it's still got us all excited and geed. 203 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.960 Oubt like it was twenty nineteen again, so well, to be. 204 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.559 Fair, to be fair, it wasn't, sorry, not so much 205 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.120 twenty nineteen. But I was going to say, to be 206 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.360 half fair. Wasn't two thousand and four a slight buggy 207 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:19.679 mess as well? 208 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:21.759 I was. 209 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.039 I was like twelve, desperately coming up with reasons to 210 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:26.960 go to my cousin's house to get to play it 211 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:32.120 so could speak to it. But yeah, just just the 212 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.399 fact that rather than treat it like I don't know, 213 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.600 I think it was good, be that told it an 214 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:40.679 ant farm or something, but treat it like an experiment, right, 215 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.039 watch it grow, see what happens. Take the good stuff, 216 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.879 leave the bad they try to show. That does not 217 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.000 make me a confident for the next go round. 218 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.120 Did apologies for the notification, guys, I will I promise 219 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.440 I'll turn those off right now. In terms of the sound, 220 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.000 let me ask you, Elmo, did the news effect your 221 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.960 desire to play on the server at all? Did it 222 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:05.240 change your plans at all? 223 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:09.519 The highs and lows? 224 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.200 I mean my plans. No, My plans are to kill 225 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.279 mert Gill Warriors said, yet whatever, you know, the drop 226 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.879 is for my next quest and continue STV. But I 227 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.720 don't know. You know, I stopped playing Blizzard servers because 228 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:27.399 they stopped offering things that I wanted to play, and 229 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.360 I'm not gonna go back just because they kill my 230 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:30.000 favorite server. 231 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:36.080 All right? Who wants to jump in next? I'm looking 232 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:40.440 at Axel Leroy Henrik's you guys, someone be brave diving. 233 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.480 What was your reaction to the news? 234 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:49.360 Yeah, well, basically I just received the news like an 235 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.080 hour ago, so I haven't had time to reflect upon 236 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:57.360 it yet. But I'm not really shocked because, like the 237 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.360 amount of popularity the service received in just the last 238 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.320 couple of weeks, they were like bound to get Blizzard's 239 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:09.799 sized upon them. It's sad because I'm having a lot 240 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.120 of fun on the server, but like I think, at 241 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:14.759 least for me, I'm going to go to the Captain's 242 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.960 route and go down with the ship. So I'm going 243 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.879 to be on here until well, if or when the 244 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:22.960 server goes down. 245 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:26.960 Very good, go for it. 246 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:32.639 Yeah, I'm in a similar opinion. If anything, I'm a 247 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.519 little surprised. I feel like they pulled the trigger a 248 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:40.720 little too soon for their own sake. Just you know, 249 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:42.840 we've talked about a number of times. It's just like 250 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:49.200 this is the best kind of market testing they could do, right, 251 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.000 and so to try, like we obviously have to try 252 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.679 and kill it because legal reasons, But I just thought 253 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.720 they might have waited another month just to try and 254 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.559 get more data, you know, see what works what doesn't. 255 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.000 Like we know the classic dev's listening on the pod, 256 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:08.120 and you know, just getting even just us to play 257 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.159 it and get that feedback might might help them. That's 258 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.799 kind of what surprised me, just not necessarily the action, 259 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:17.480 but the timing and the piece. 260 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:22.960 Yeah, I'm I'm genuinely I am genuinely surprised. Well, I mean, 261 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.200 like I said, it's hard to like you have to 262 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.399 put in that fair bit of weight of it's not 263 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:31.440 completely unexpected, But yeah, I am still surprised, like you are. 264 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.399 It's just on that legal point of Like, I don't 265 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.080 know the answer to this, but a lot of people 266 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:41.840 frequently do parrot out the whole Oh, well, they have 267 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.639 to they have to pursue them legally because otherwise, if 268 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.279 you know, if they don't do it, then they run 269 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.960 the risk or that you know, they fall into the 270 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.360 potential jeopardy of losing the IP or something. And I'm 271 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.480 not one hundred percent sure that that's exactly how it works. 272 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.240 I'm sure there's there is some element of like needing 273 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:06.519 to keep people on their toes and whatnot, but like 274 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.039 I'm I'm I'd need someone smarter than me to tell 275 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:15.240 me what the necessity of pursuing all private servers are because, 276 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:20.120 like Blizzard hasn't touched a private server in years. So 277 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.080 I'm not so convinced on that they have to they 278 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:27.120 have to, Oh, they have to go after all of them. 279 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:30.799 If they leave one, it breaks some you know rule 280 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.440 that I don't know about that you know, lets them 281 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.440 lose their IP or the right to chase private servers. 282 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:42.559 I'm really not so sure that's the case. But like Las, 283 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.600 you're saying to me that it might be relevant in 284 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.600 terms of damages and look that that may well be 285 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.639 the case in terms of again, I'm still not super 286 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:56.799 convinced because I'm I'm not as sure in court, Las, 287 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:01.120 you'd have to tell me otherwise. How well the you know, 288 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:04.960 submission from the other side going oh, why did you 289 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.480 come after us and not go after them? And we 290 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.080 you don't get to get as many damages from us 291 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.799 because you didn't pursue all the bad guys. I'm not 292 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:20.039 super convinced that is a relevant argument, Las. You'll have 293 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:21.000 to tell me otherwise. 294 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:22.360 I'm not. 295 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.159 I'm not either, just why I didn't say it. 296 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.399 Yeah, I'm not. 297 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.720 I'm not confident all that, but yeah, it might be 298 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:31.399 relevant to the amount of damages you can get. 299 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.639 Well, but you're still only filing suit against that one party. 300 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:39.639 Like in the Blizzard versus Turtle Wow lawsuit, Turtle Wow 301 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.600 doesn't get to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, bullshit, 302 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.919 you've asked for one hundred million dollars in damages. We 303 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.799 say that should be fifty million because we're not you know, 304 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.559 all of the problem. There are other servers doing what 305 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.360 we're doing. Split the bill here, Blizzard, That's not how 306 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.879 that's not how it works. It's Blizzard versus Turtle Wow. 307 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.279 If they ask for one hundred million and they can 308 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.919 justify it that that's the figure, you know what I mean. Like, 309 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.640 I'm just not so sure that, oh, making other efforts 310 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.799 in against other perpetrators allows you to jack up the 311 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.160 amount that you're asking for, because you're putting up a 312 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:17.319 much more you know, vigorous defense against you from from 313 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.680 your IPS against your IP. But like, I don't know 314 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:25.000 it just yeah, yeah, justifying damages is one thing, But 315 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.039 I don't know. I'm just anyway, what I'm saying is 316 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.200 I won't say I'm right on this one. Just my 317 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.759 gut is telling me that, Like, I think Blizzard is 318 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.359 within their rights to act or not act whenever the 319 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.400 fuck they want, and act or not act against whoever 320 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.480 they want. They can selectively pursue whatever fucking lawsuit they want. 321 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.559 I think they absolutely could have stayed off of Epochs, 322 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.440 you know, front Door on this one and still been 323 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.759 just as that their their suit against Tea, where I 324 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.440 wouldn't be affected in the slightest. But if I'm wrong, 325 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.480 I'm wrong, someone smarter than me can wrect me on 326 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.559 that one. If that's the case. So that's why I 327 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:03.480 agree with Josh. 328 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:05.599 Yeah, it's more of a business vision than a legal one, 329 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:10.000 because I think they're afraid of just losing people Like ammos, 330 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.200 you will develop habits and they have like their favorite momos, 331 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.559 like people stay with them most for a long time, 332 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.000 even like it's hard to get them to switch. Yeah, 333 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.759 so they just might not want people to get to, 334 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.119 you know, to use to Epoch are too comfortable. 335 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.160 One thousand percent. And that's where you that's where you'll 336 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.920 pull me back to that making more sense is it's 337 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.759 not a legal thing. It's a business thing. Like you've said, Laz. 338 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.279 People were raising this in the discord, and I do 339 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.839 tend to agree that they might have marked this point 340 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.839 in time as an important one because they're like, well, 341 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:46.440 now that Epoch's actually really getting quite popular and solidifying 342 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.039 its position. You know, it's it's ridden through the stormy 343 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.680 waves of those first few weeks of launch and now 344 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.480 it's a legit product and people are signing up, and 345 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.240 you know, more and more people are fucking getting involved 346 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.279 as they see that it's you know, quite people are 347 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.720 experiencing the higher level content and reports are starting to 348 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.359 come back that it's good. You know, this is how 349 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.400 Turtle Wow grew from nothing into something. They don't want 350 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.240 to let Epoch have the same level of bandwidth and 351 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.000 allow that word of mouth to spread and get people rolling, 352 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:20.519 because you know, these, as we said with Turtle, Wow, 353 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:25.880 these servers are not you know, done within that opening 354 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.480 launch window. It's Turtle how no one playing it for years, 355 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:31.359 for like a couple of years, and it just slowly 356 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.519 it was the slowest snowball rolling down the hill that 357 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.279 gathered more and more players. Word of mouth spread and 358 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.240 it grew into what it was, and I could see 359 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.359 from a business perspective, Blizzard then saying, well, We're not 360 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:44.200 going to let this fucking happen to Epoch, you know 361 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.440 what I mean, And particularly given that they are releasing 362 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:50.039 a classic fucking plus project, like we keep saying, you know, 363 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.519 will it will wind up being the worst kept secret 364 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.359 in gaming that this is what Blizzard is doing. They're 365 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.279 entering the space as well. And I'd said years ago 366 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.480 on the pod and all of you have pointed out 367 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:02.400 the same thing. You're not dumb. We know how this 368 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.000 fucking works. When they went against Nestarius, you know it's 369 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:10.319 they get legally heavy when they are about to enter 370 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.839 the market. They don't why would they allow for competition 371 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.960 that is legally not allowed when they can just own 372 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.519 the space, You fuck off all the competitors and go motherfuckers. 373 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.160 Those are our subscribers. And I think you raise a 374 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:28.000 really really good point, Laz in terms of once people 375 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.079 start an MMO and they like it and they get 376 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.319 their teeth sunk into it, they don't want to quit. 377 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.400 That's a you know, leveling's a thing. Time investment is 378 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:37.519 a thing. They've got characters now that they don't want 379 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.720 to abandon. I completely agree with you that if they 380 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.920 let people fall in love with Epoch, it will not 381 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.359 necessarily be over but like that's a huge win for Epoch. 382 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.759 When they've got something coming out in what we think 383 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.279 will be a year and they're not interested in sharing 384 00:20:54.359 --> 00:21:00.680 any of that revenue, that's totally understandable. But like I said, still, 385 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.680 I still it totally makes sense. And I don't know, 386 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:10.799 I just thought that maybe maybe that the Classic team 387 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.200 would have been in the ear of the legal department 388 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:17.720 going like, just just hold off on this one for 389 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.119 a few more months, maybe six more months, fellas, we 390 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.599 just want to see what they're doing here. Maybe you know, 391 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.240 obviously that wasn't the case. But like we say, it 392 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:29.680 was only a cease and desist letter as opposed to 393 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.599 a full lawsuit being filed. So take that for what 394 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:34.920 you will, but I'll open it up to the rest 395 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.400 of the guys. Anyone else want to extrapolate on the 396 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:43.240 points that we've just raised here, Arcos, I see, sorry, 397 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.759 So you go, Jordan and then Arcost go for it, mate. 398 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.000 No, I was just going to say, you mentioned a 399 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.680 minute ago that they haven't gone after private service for years, 400 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.200 but you know, we don't know if that's true. It 401 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:56.720 was just as seastant desist letter and the one that 402 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.799 they sent after the the one that starts with an 403 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.279 E if ever look ever, Look so they may send 404 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.440 those out all the time, and we're just only hearing 405 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.359 about it right now because people are paying attention and 406 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.039 that the devs are more scared because of what's happening 407 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.119 with Turtle, while that the privatory does don't want true. 408 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.920 But I just I feel that the private server community 409 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.400 is a very gossipy, loose lip sync ship's kind of one, 410 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.799 and some kind of word would have come back about 411 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.279 a letter being sent, you know what I mean. 412 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:33.440 Yeah, I just can't imagine like that warming for example, 413 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.880 or Sension hasn't been getting these for years and just 414 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:36.480 ignore them. 415 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.960 That's a fair point. That's a very very fair point. Yeah, 416 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.240 I shouldn't. I shouldn't sort of speak out of school 417 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.039 too much when I don't know what the fuck the 418 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.799 reality of the situation is. Of course, my friend, how 419 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:47.119 are you? 420 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:50.319 Yeah, I'm good. What's up? 421 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.039 I'm better now that I get to hear your voice. 422 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.119 My friends, Now, look you and your you and your 423 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.640 little level twenty one warrior that you've been complaining about 424 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.240 the level link process and saying this is all too hard. 425 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.079 I only know how to zag in a raid, mate. 426 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:09.799 How do you feel about all this? Well? 427 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:14.599 I think it was kind of to be expected, right, Yeah, 428 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.559 I'm always going to get something. But the response is 429 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.920 what the response is? I think he's just covering his ass, right. 430 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.799 That's that's very wise and expansive of you, mate, Thank 431 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:30.400 you so much. 432 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:35.079 I wasn't sure what you were looking for, I think, 433 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.680 and anyone who was playing the service should have been 434 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:44.440 expecting them to get a takedown notice in some form. 435 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.720 They get it in a season assist latter forum and 436 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.039 the guy who just you know what, three weeks ago 437 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:57.119 sold his work to someone else has posted a note 438 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.599 saying that he's not involved with it anymore. It's just 439 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:05.880 textbook trying to wipe his hands publicly of the tent. 440 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.039 And whether he stays on down the scenes. 441 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.759 Or not, you're you're you're regularly wiping your hands of 442 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.079 the taint, aren't you, ar Cours. It's just one of 443 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.039 those things that needs to be done at times. Yeah, 444 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:21.119 that's how it goes. Boys, Let's keep going around the room. 445 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.599 Who hasn't been heard? Who would like to be heard 446 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.480 on your initial reaction to this one? 447 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:28.880 Well, I'd more like a question, if I'm honest, like, 448 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:33.880 where did the Ascension team sit on this fence? Because 449 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.079 I mean, if blizzards gone after Epop, but obviously they 450 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.720 must know that EPOP server as are not host by 451 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:42.640 the Epop team, So where does that go? 452 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:48.920 He's Look, I immediately drew the same conclusion that it 453 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.599 seems many of the countdown listeners did when they were 454 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.960 discussing this fire text in the discord. Look, knowing what 455 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:59.880 I know of which is probably very little, but no 456 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.680 what I know of private server devs, and you know, 457 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.119 if you're bold enough to spin this stuff up, spin 458 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.480 this stuff up, in the first place, knowing that you know, 459 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:16.279 it's not fucking above board. I just think that they're 460 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.720 doing the the I don't want to call it. I 461 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.680 don't want to call it childish because it's not childish 462 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.279 isn't the right term, but I can't think of a 463 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:29.039 better descriptor that they're trying to sort of do. Do 464 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.559 you know the It's the equivalent of do you know 465 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:38.000 the move that people do on Facebook that years ago? 466 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.119 And I haven't been on Facebook in years, but I 467 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.319 presume idiots still do it, you know, when you see 468 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:47.200 those posts going around on Facebook or an equivalent where 469 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.519 people write down the bottom of it like something about 470 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:57.559 like I opt out of you know, any legal ramifications, 471 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:02.039 or you are not allowed to take my private information. 472 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.359 I here by say you're not allowed to do it, 473 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.119 and all the boomers write this, do you know what 474 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:11.519 I'm talking about? One percent? Yeah, yeah, I get those 475 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.759 kinds of vibes from what k Totes has done here 476 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.720 where he's kind of like he's putting up the big 477 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:24.839 sign saying I K Totes officially drop out of development 478 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.920 of this server. I will have nothing to do with 479 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.799 it moving forward. We are not going to be working 480 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.880 on this game, I will shut down the website and 481 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.880 as far as you're all concerned, I don't exist anymore. 482 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:45.559 There I said, the incredibly well crafted like like maybe 483 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.839 he was responding to points in the season detissed letter 484 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.039 because he's like, we're not gonna host service for any 485 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.160 Blizzard or Activision games. 486 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:54.079 Yeah. 487 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.759 I did think it was a maze one two punch 488 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.799 with the post from the Ascension devs afterwards that immediately 489 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.680 was like, oh, no, things are fine, and actually there's 490 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.359 tons of stuff in the pipeline that we're going to 491 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.839 be releasing for months because that kind of gives them 492 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.200 covered to maybe keep working on it secretly. 493 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:13.759 Well, that's what I expect. So that's what I'm getting 494 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.200 at is I don't think those guys personally, if I 495 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.559 had to bet money on it, I don't think those 496 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:20.880 guys are going anywhere. I think they're absolutely going to 497 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.279 keep working on it, you know in the quote unquote 498 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.480 shadows as people say and just be like, yeah, fuck, 499 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.880 you're not going anywhere. That's just what I would expect. 500 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.240 The funny thing is that the Ascension that's a new 501 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.599 development called Totski. 502 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.400 Mister Snrub is now on the case. Absolutely. I like 503 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:51.359 the way snrub thinks. Very very good guys. 504 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.000 Just on. 505 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.319 Anyone else's please speak now forever holty silence. Just on 506 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.240 this first question of your action. Did anyone ride the 507 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.000 roller coaster? Did anyone throw their PC out the window 508 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:04.559 in anger? 509 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.039 I definitely think that the Legal Department is probably not 510 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.839 talking to the developers of a Wild Blizzard. I do 511 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.039 think they kind of operate on their own, separate things, 512 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.240 So that's why all the legal seas and decisions went 513 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:26.640 out and to you know Everlook and Turtle and now Epoch. 514 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.359 I think they just hit everybody. It was probably their 515 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.480 plan to do it for everybody, and they're not going 516 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.440 to be talking with the dev side of anything saying 517 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.240 hey can we do this server but not this server? 518 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.039 So I just think it's kind of coincidence, and mostly. 519 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.119 I would tend to agree. I definitely don't think the 520 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.119 big wigs of the Legal Department are waiting for the 521 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.799 fucking thumbs up from Tim Jones on whether or not 522 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.680 they can file a suits or not, you know what 523 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:49.039 I mean? 524 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.559 Yeah, And they're just doing the basic due diligence, like 525 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.119 they don't have to go after everybody, but they have 526 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.240 to show enough legal precedent that they are attempting to 527 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.599 protect the IP, which is what c and Desist do. 528 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.400 So it's just enough for them to say, hey, we 529 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.000 did our job. We've been defending our IP. So that's 530 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.240 what they probably do every now and then. Ascension probably 531 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.079 has a stack of them already, war Maine probably has 532 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.359 enough to build a house out of at this point. 533 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.559 It's just kind of what they do. And I think 534 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.279 that Cato's and Epoch just used this as their excuse 535 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.400 to say, hey, we got the notice. We can now 536 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.880 say we're done. We're you know, it's the Simpsons thing 537 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:29.720 of where we're leaving the bar and we'll just go 538 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.319 into the back. 539 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.519 Very good. Sorry, guys, I am sipping a coffee while 540 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.279 I'm doing this one. Okay, guys, that's that's the initial reactions. 541 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.359 Does anyone I mean, I know they've already I know 542 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.839 they've already told us this in terms of they're not 543 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.200 shutting down. I want to know how you guys felt 544 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.920 about your future involvement on Project Epoch. Did this news 545 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.640 move the needle for any of you in terms of 546 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.279 your personal time investment, which no doubt has been hefty 547 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.880 to this point, did you all of a sudden get 548 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.599 worried for the time you've put into the game? You know, 549 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.200 a couple of people in Countdown, Look, don't get me wrong, 550 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:16.720 understandably have said, look, that's it, that that's the the 551 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:20.920 shot across the bow. I'm stopping my characters leveling here. 552 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.599 And albeit it's only a couple of people, it's a minority, 553 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.680 you know. I can't. I can't justify putting hundreds of 554 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.079 hours into this thing when it could have the plug 555 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.599 pulled on it tomorrow. I'm fucking out. I had the 556 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.960 opposite reaction, where, you know, I put the old Wolf 557 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.279 of Wall Street gift in the discord that you all saw, 558 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.119 and I fucking meant it. I'm not fucking going anywhere. 559 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.359 I am having the time of my life, and I'll 560 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:50.680 talk more about that soon. But I really meant every 561 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.240 word that I swapped back and forth with UBI on 562 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:58.480 this topic, saying, look, if this thing gets killed tomorrow, 563 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.599 all I will do is think about the fund that 564 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.759 I had leading up to that moment, and I've had 565 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.480 so much fun. I will not be holding a Viking 566 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.519 funeral for this Warlock character. I don't give a fuck 567 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.640 about this Warlock character. It's just fun experiencing this server 568 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.640 and the new content, and those are the eyes through 569 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.720 which I do it. Has this news changed any of 570 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.680 your opinions about how you will approach this server moving forward? 571 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.240 It didn't change my opinion on like leveling, but it 572 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.680 does make me a little I don't know if nervous 573 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.880 is the right word, but concerned about like what the 574 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.720 sixty plus content's. 575 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.960 Going to look like. I think they've talked about dropping 576 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.519 a new road map, and so it's kind of sad 577 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.480 in some way that it's like, maybe we're not going 578 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.680 to see what the original Epoch developers wanted in game 579 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:49.599 rating to look like. 580 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.319 That's fair. Now, Tsunami, who's relatively you know, pretty clued 581 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.200 in on all this stuff and has been following this 582 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.599 project for years and has it completely hooked to her veins, 583 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.119 she seems to think and take this with a grain 584 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.319 of salt. It's only you know, Tsunami's not a dev 585 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.799 or anything, but she's been, you know, right on there 586 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.079 with the beatas and everything. She seems to think they've 587 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.720 got content up to phase two already done, so at 588 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.680 least in the short term, it seems we'll be playing 589 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:22.400 the original dev's designs, you know what I mean. And 590 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:24.519 you know that's if we are to believe that the 591 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.680 original devs are gone and you know, old Toat's k 592 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.319 or whatever, as ArkOS says, is not on the case. 593 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.240 But I hear you, and I felt the same concern Lero. 594 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.920 I was like, oh, does this mean once we get 595 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.119 to BWL we are going to start to see a 596 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.880 different dev's designs, because quite frankly, I've been on the 597 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.000 show saying, whoever did all this stuff that we've seen 598 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.000 through the Leveling experience is a fucking god te dev. 599 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.480 I mean, don't get me wrong, there's there's a few 600 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:02.440 little things that are nitpicky that clearly amateur work. We 601 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.599 keep talking about the bizarre obsession with not putting in 602 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.000 any reference to where to turn in a quest through 603 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.319 all the new quests, and there there's warts but the 604 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.319 actual quests that they've designed, the law that they've written, 605 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.240 the dungeons that they've drawn up, the items that they've crafted, 606 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.079 it's all fucking s plus here. So I want this 607 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.640 guy making this content going forward. And if you then 608 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.079 pass the baton over to some other person, well, I'm 609 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.000 immediately going to say, well, it can only get worse 610 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.519 from here. I'm not going to believe he can get 611 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.599 the same or better. So I completely am with you 612 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:38.720 there anyone else on this. 613 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.119 Yeah, it does make me a bit nervous for the 614 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.559 future to see what's going to happen. I'm obviously of 615 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.599 the conspiracy theory that they're all still working from behind 616 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.079 and behind the scenes, and you know, this is a 617 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:55.880 nice curtain. So I don't think it's going to change 618 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.039 much long term, but we'll have to see how the 619 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.799 content rolls out. We see a big fall off in 620 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.079 content or style change, we'll definitely know that, Hey, there's 621 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.480 probably different people behind the scenes. 622 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:06.720 Now. 623 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.159 Yeah, I agree with mrco If anything, it's made me 624 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.280 want to get through that not necessarily get through the 625 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.039 content quicker, but I want to see as much of 626 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.239 this new content as I can before any kind of 627 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.760 shit hits the fan, because I'm really in Not only 628 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.400 am I number one, first and foremost and most importantly 629 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.400 enjoying the new content and going through that experience as 630 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.800 a player, I'm also in the back of my head 631 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.039 whether or not this is I mean, you could say 632 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.239 whether or not this is fair. I think it's entirely fair. 633 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:46.960 I am building a case against Blizzard for lack of 634 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.639 a better term, in terms of this creates the bar 635 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.440 to which to compare them against. And if I've seen 636 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.079 heaps of content and Epoch, I can then play whatever 637 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:03.079 Blizzard throws out next and completely have a solid comparative 638 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.400 point where I'm like, well, yeah, I played a shitload 639 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.400 of Epoch and I know what a good Classic Plus 640 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.320 server can look like, and you are now being judged 641 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.440 against that, And if you fail the smell test, then 642 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.320 I'm going to go fucking ballistic. Whereas if I didn't 643 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.800 play that much of Epoch, then everything I mean this 644 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.239 might be part of Blizzard's ploy as well. If you 645 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.239 didn't get to see that much of Epoch, or if 646 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.920 you got scared away from it, then you're going into 647 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:34.880 their version of Classic Plus relatively, you know, with with 648 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.000 fresh eyes. You don't know what you know you could 649 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.280 have had elsewhere, and so you may be more likely 650 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:46.159 to view their stuff favorably as opposed to, Hey, someone 651 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:47.920 else did this and they did it a lot better 652 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:54.960 than you. So there's that angle too. So what I'm 653 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:59.360 getting at, guys, I'll point people out here. Maybe now, Yack, 654 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.440 let me throw to you if that's okay, mate, you 655 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.599 might have been happily listening in, but I'll throw you 656 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:08.559 in the fire here. Did this news change your you know, 657 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:10.639 attack plan with Epoch at all? 658 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:14.920 Not? 659 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.719 Really, It's solidified the fact that I'm not going back 660 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:26.239 to a Blizzard server at this point. It's Epoch has 661 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.320 been so good that like, there's there's no other offering 662 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:35.639 like it that Blizzard isn't already threatening. So if the 663 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.960 server does shut down, and I agree, I. 664 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.760 Don't think it will. I think Ascension is going to 665 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.280 keep it going. 666 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.920 Yeah, no, fair enough. 667 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.800 If it does shut down, there's just no wow for me. 668 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.360 No, I'm I'm in the same boat if if this 669 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.519 thing gets unplugged, I'll I'll just stop playing well for 670 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.679 a while. One, I'm not going to MOP I'm not 671 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.280 going to Anniversary. There's no fucking way I'm playing TBC 672 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.159 Anniversary any of that shit. I'll just I'll literally just 673 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.840 go do some other shit for whatever amount of time. 674 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.320 Having now played Epoch, I don't want to play anything 675 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.000 else that is not the same, if not better. It's 676 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.480 really you know you b and I threw around that 677 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.119 term angry a few times during the last couple of podcasts, 678 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:26.519 and in all honesty, the more I play Epoch, the 679 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:31.280 angrier and angrier I get. Another log gets thrown on 680 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.400 the fire with each hour that I go through Epoch, 681 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:40.199 and specifically now that I am entering well into the 682 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.960 meat of the game, where the new content has now 683 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.000 been shown to me, you know, we said on the podcast, 684 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.159 oh yeah, you know, it seems like the new content 685 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.400 doesn't really truly fire up until about level thirty five onwards. 686 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.679 That's one hundred percent the case for all you guys 687 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.039 that are still leveling on Epoch, if anything, I'd say, 688 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:03.079 really from like forty onwards, level forty onwards. Then you 689 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.719 start to see all these new quests that they cooked 690 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:11.599 up in every fucking zone, all the new towns, settlements, 691 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:17.079 quest lines. It's all happening now. And even just since 692 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.760 we last recorded on Saturday, when I would have been 693 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.679 like level forty four or forty five, I've now since 694 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.920 completed ferulous and tannerous, and you know, my jaws on 695 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.920 the ground of just like again, we keep saying the 696 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.840 line it doesn't take much to impress us, and that's 697 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.000 what they've done. It feels like a lot and a 698 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.199 little all at the same time. I mean, I look 699 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.360 back on what I just did in Tanneris and I'm like, fuck, 700 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.519 what are we talking here? It was like one new 701 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:53.800 settlement and maybe I don't know, maybe ten new quests, right, 702 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.960 like only ten new quests something like that. But it 703 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.719 considerably changed the feel and experience of that zone, and 704 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.800 I enjoyed it as much as, you know, more than 705 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.039 I ever have. It was fantastic. Ferul Is the same thing, 706 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.159 not quite to the same extent, but again, a smaller 707 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.719 new settlement about oh fuck, I don't know, six or 708 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.880 seven or eight new quests, but considerably changes that zone 709 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.920 and smooths everything out. I am one hundred percent leaving zones, 710 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.039 maybe before I've finished all the quests in them, because 711 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.320 I'm just like, if I don't leave now, i'll absolutely 712 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.679 out level the zone I want to go to. I 713 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.920 went to Tanneris at forty nine, thinking, oh god, I've 714 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.440 come here too late. I'm gonna out level this place. 715 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.679 No turns out, it was arguably the fucking perfect time 716 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.639 to go. Forty eight forty nine, go to Tanneris. I 717 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:52.440 see all these people running around Tanneris at like forty 718 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.280 one forty two and I'm like, what the fuck are 719 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.960 you doing here? Like, go see all these other zones. 720 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.920 You must have said this before on the show. You 721 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.480 must make it your your quest, your job, your task 722 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.880 to experience as many of these new zones as you can. 723 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.280 And the the shitty but really cool thing is you're 724 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.119 not going to be able to do them all, so 725 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:15.920 you will have to go to the ones that you 726 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.159 didn't see on an OLT maybe, But like as I'm saying, 727 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.440 I'm just getting angrier and angrier as I do every 728 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.119 new quest and go. That was really cool, That was 729 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.920 really classic, and I had to figure it out or 730 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.280 I had to engage with the community and speak in 731 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.480 you know, Slash one to figure out what to do 732 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:41.199 or get a hint if I needed it. It all 733 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.239 feels like two thousand and four, two thousand and five, 734 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.079 two thousand and six all over again, and nothing feels 735 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.719 out of place. It's incredible, and I just start to shake, 736 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:55.239 you know, the gift of the clenched fist, Arthur or whatnot, 737 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.400 you know, just shaking it a little bit more at 738 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.440 Blizzard as I go, like you you fuck as, you're 739 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.360 killing me. You haven't done this. Sod was not this 740 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.320 SOD was amazing, but SOD was not this. And if 741 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:13.719 you don't do this next, if not better, you're fucking fucked. Anyway, 742 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:18.760 that's a rant. Anyone agreed, disagree anything on that, I agree. 743 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.880 I agree as well, Like this is actually the best 744 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.519 server to level alts on. Like, if you want to 745 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.519 experience all the new zones, like all the new quests, 746 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:33.400 not new zones, but the revamped zones, you gotta level alts. 747 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.679 That's your only option. Like, so, like having a bunch 748 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.239 of alts on this service is going to be perfect. 749 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.320 But that's the awesome thing. You could like have multiple 750 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:47.039 playthroughs of this and have completely different experiences two, three, 751 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.599 four times almost, it seems. I mean, that's just something 752 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.480 I've never been able to do. In Wow, you kind 753 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.519 of have to have the way you level is the 754 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.760 most efficient way level, and there's usually no other way 755 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.639 to do it but that and just gives you so 756 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.960 many options to explore with different classes in the future 757 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.400 that you could really just spend so much time. 758 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.480 Bernstein, let me just jump in and say, like I 759 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.159 wouldn't feel bad in all honesty, Like you're saying you 760 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.519 recruited some friends from blizz servers to come and play 761 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.519 Epoch and now they've dropped this news and you feel 762 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.880 horrible because you feel like it's all going away. Mate, 763 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.960 Just keep going like I don't see the problem, Like 764 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.239 like they've said that they're not planning on taking the 765 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:31.400 server down. I have Fuck you think you feel bad, mate, 766 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.840 I've been producing a podcast for the last month that 767 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.679 goes out to about four or five thousand unique players 768 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.840 around the world that I've been screaming for the rooftop 769 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.760 come and play this server. If anyone should feel the 770 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.000 most horrible, it's me. And I don't feel horrible at all. 771 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.039 I feel great. I have no regrets whatsoever about saying 772 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.480 to people, hey, guys, there's this really cool experience. You 773 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.519 should come and check it out, because I'm fucking right, 774 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.480 because it is amazing. And all of you guys are saying, 775 00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.800 you know, yeah, Josh, we came and played with you 776 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.760 on the and we have no regrets, like it's been 777 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.199 in a fucking fantastic experience. And you know, I was 778 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.599 just running around again in Tannerous last night, going like 779 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:11.840 I legit, I am starting to feel chemical reactions in 780 00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:15.280 my body and my mind is pinging in ways that 781 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.360 I haven't felt since two thousand and six when I 782 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.920 first jumped on and played Vanilla. It feels amazing. It 783 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.559 is like and that what we keep saying is despite 784 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:28.679 the buggy mess that it is, and it is a 785 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.320 buggy mess, you guys are right to say that people 786 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.320 are a little bit of hyperbolic. I feel with the 787 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.880 new quests. Don't get me wrong. A bunch of the 788 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.199 new quests are not working, but a bunch of them are. 789 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.000 And you know, I think people go, oh yeah, seventy 790 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.960 five percent of the new quests aren't working. No, in 791 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:50.400 my experience, it's probably been about about two new quests 792 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.199 per zone are not working, which is frustrating, but like whatever, 793 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.760 you go do the ones that are working. I don't get, 794 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.480 you know, bent out of shape about it. There's a 795 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.760 lot going on that needs to be fixed with the server, 796 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.599 but despite how buggy it is, we're still playing and 797 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.280 telling other people to come play with us, and like, 798 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.559 for the the experience is overcoming the bugginess, and I 799 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:21.000 think that says so much for this server. But anyway, uh, 800 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.159 who else wants to chime in on this point of 801 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.320 anger that I keep hammering home about. Do you get 802 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.400 more and more pissy as you play epoch. 803 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:33.920 I definitely do. 804 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.880 So easy to. 805 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.320 Control R and T. We've seen. 806 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.960 All you do is just you ban people publicly, and 807 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.159 you ban buyers for good. And then no matter no 808 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.039 matter what the incentives are for bots, you don't have 809 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.320 to you don't have to fight with the bars of 810 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.320 the sellers. You just go after buyers and you publicly 811 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.079 shame them and you and you ban them for good, 812 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.519 and then everyone's scared. Everyone. 813 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.199 It's a culture. 814 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:04.679 Every nobody wants to risk it, risk it. 815 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.159 I don't know if they can do that on the 816 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.320 real service, but the hit of dopamine I get every 817 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.639 time I see the little chat messages that's like this 818 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:15.320 guy got. 819 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:24.920 Banned inact Yeah. Yeah, it's so good every direct. 820 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.360 Yeah, And I'm just going nuts every time they do it. 821 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.880 It's great, but I'm like, what, why couldn't please do it? 822 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.880 I know, we sort of. I appreciate that the hesitation going, 823 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:36.920 oh could they do this? Like literally, if one server 824 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.639 is doing it, I don't see why another couldn't. 825 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.840 I think they would have to reinstate the Like gms, you. 826 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.400 Would see so many chat bands and stuff like that. 827 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.599 They don't want to to a money issue, because you 828 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.519 can ban somebody in a free server who cares. You're 829 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.599 not really losing anything. But you start banning you know, 830 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.760 your jub there's there's a lot of your money gone, 831 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.159 even if it is just you know, bot accounts or whatever. 832 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.159 Oh yeah, yes, part of it. No, No, I'm not talking 833 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:11.880 about whether or not they would do it. I mean 834 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.639 more the technical aspect of you know, Blizzard announcing it 835 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.360 publicly on the server as it's happening now. Like you're saying, 836 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.119 there would be too many and I mentioned this on 837 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.480 the podcast before as well, there would be so many 838 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.079 it would be unreadable. You couldn't flood chat like that. 839 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.000 But there's there's other ways you could do it. They 840 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.679 could also, like you know, not that they would, but 841 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.119 there's always a work around. You could, you know, weakly 842 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.519 put up like a fucking list of shame on your 843 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.800 website of here's all the names of everyone control effort 844 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.159 if you want, for everyone we've banned, you could have 845 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.800 a separate chat channel in the default uy that for 846 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.000 whatever fucking reason, if people wanted to, you could just 847 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.360 scroll through and see who's been banned in the last hour. 848 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.280 There are ways to do it, but not necessarily like 849 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:55.159 ways that are very practical. 850 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.559 Oh, they could absolutely do it they wanted to. 851 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.239 But I do agree that, and we're going to do 852 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.199 a really big podcast on this coming up in the 853 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.360 really near future. Guys, I promise you the ridiculously positive 854 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.800 effect that this has had on the server. There's there's 855 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.320 there's three or four really big points about Epoch that 856 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.519 we we scream about because we feel like Blizzard won't 857 00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.280 be able to do it. That makes Epoch successful. It's 858 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.880 you know, like you just said, the active and very 859 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.800 public humiliation of the banning of bots and hackers. That's great. 860 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.639 The worldwide nature of the server, the fact that this 861 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.599 is one region, one server. It's global, the server never sleeps, 862 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.039 we're all playing together. That is like considerably in the 863 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.519 service favor. Look, I'll get in a very very heated 864 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.599 debate about this one day, but I still stand by 865 00:47:56.679 --> 00:48:02.480 this third point. The cross faction is fucking huge for 866 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.440 this server. It is one of the biggest one of 867 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.519 the other big reasons it is succeeding so well. You know, 868 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.719 people want and UBI is one of them. And I 869 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.559 think that just quietly UB is coming around on the 870 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.320 old cross cross faction point. He was absolutely against the 871 00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.920 World of Warcraft. This whole ip is based on factions 872 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.519 hating each other and all that shit. And then we 873 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.039 see what happens when you just stop giving a fuck 874 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:28.840 about that kind of stuff and seeing what it does 875 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:33.519 for the gameplay. And people are loving it. And there's 876 00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:37.519 gonna be a huge argument, a huge one coming up 877 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.000 about this later on when I've bet I can already 878 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.960 see it. Guys, all the guys that didn't play Epoch 879 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.159 are going to go They're gonna get so angry and 880 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.360 they're gonna get real, real harsh on this one. Going 881 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.519 no cross faction. You can never has cross cross faction 882 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.079 in World of Warcraft. It fucking ruins the RP. It 883 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.719 ruins my immersion. I don't want to see a fucking 884 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:03.119 dwarf standing next to me in my dungeon. And then 885 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.840 we fucking see it on Epoch and go, hey, cauntz, 886 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.960 we just played the server that had it. Turns out 887 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.079 it's a fucking toothless tiger. Shut the fuck up. That's 888 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.159 just me. Does anyone feel that way? 889 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.000 Oh? Totally. 890 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.800 And it's not even if you want to be like 891 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.039 a lawyer, purist or a Lord Nerd, like, what about 892 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:26.960 Warcraft three? What about every single desoring, every single expansion 893 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.079 where Hordellizes put aside their differences and come to go 894 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:31.400 to fight the big bad boss. 895 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.920 Like it's I'm telling you you're going to start hearing 896 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.679 a line from me a lot in the future of 897 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.320 this podcast, because when we start discussing what Blizzards should 898 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.719 and should not include in their Classic Plus, fucking put 899 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.840 a penny in the jar for every time you hear 900 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.039 Josh say this, did you play EPOC? Did you play Epoch? 901 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.920 Because whenever someone throws something out there that we've lived 902 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.599 through on Epoch and they're like, I don't think this 903 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.760 should be in Classic Plus, or I think this should 904 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.159 be in Classic Plus, I'm gonna go, did you play APOC? 905 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.320 And they'll say no, and I'll go then shut the 906 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:14.559 fuck up. Sorry, that's just yeah. 907 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.800 I will say, uh. Cross faction is growing on me. 908 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.440 I was very lukewarm to the concept, but I didn't 909 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.880 really have a choice, so just you know, kind of 910 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.519 sucked it up. But as things have gone on, I 911 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.000 have seen the benefits of it and I really do 912 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.440 like the ability of Hey, it didn't matter which way 913 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.840 which faction you ruled on we get to play together. 914 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.079 I like to be able to find people easier for dungeons, 915 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.320 which is you know, gameplay mechanic, being. 916 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:41.199 Able to group of people. 917 00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.079 I like that a lot more. I'm still a little 918 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.960 hesitant on being able to communicate with people who are 919 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.440 ganking me or I am killing. 920 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.320 So that is a little that's a wrinkle. That's an 921 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.639 I don't love either. I'm with you on that one. 922 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:56.320 That's a weird wrinkle that needs some form of workaround. 923 00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:57.400 Yeah. 924 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.880 Maybe they're like, you know, you couldn't communicate with some 925 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.760 body for like ten minutes after you fight them. 926 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.400 Yeah, like if they appear in your combat log, like 927 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:08.800 you get like a momentary yeah mute. Yeah. 928 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.840 One of may that leave of legends is that you 929 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.079 can like all chat the enemy team. I think it's 930 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.320 so cool that I can like talk to the guy 931 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:18.000 who I'm fighting. 932 00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.920 I don't know, it's interesting. It leads to a lot 933 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.039 of I mean, look, this is it. It really is 934 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.559 just a forum on how you feel about talking shit 935 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.880 and toxicity in your video games. A lot of people 936 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.880 love it that that, Like, they like I said that 937 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.280 I always reference the people that were born and bred 938 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.079 in the cod lobbies that that's their bread and butter 939 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.320 of like, this is what you do. It's a competitive game. 940 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.360 You talk a bit of shit, you flame each other, 941 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.480 and then you walk away, and that's that's the fun 942 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.440 of gaming. That Look, if people want that in I'm 943 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.639 not particularly gonna like go too hard on it because 944 00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.519 I'll just choose that's fine. I'll just choose not to 945 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.559 engage with it whatever. I'm kind of done with my 946 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.480 World PvP days anyway. But you know, I do also 947 00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.119 respect the other side of the argument that it can 948 00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.920 embolden the truly toxic player to like really harass people. 949 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:08.639 Mm hmm. 950 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.760 Yeah, it's definitely. It just feels it's probably also because 951 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.159 it feels different too, Like we've never done that before, 952 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.920 so it just maybe feels different than if I was 953 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:19.760 playing a different game and I could communicate. I may 954 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.880 not find it as abnormal in that situation, just because 955 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.840 my monkey brain tells me, Wow, we don't talk to 956 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.440 the other faction. They're just you know, this other thing 957 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.239 out there. So that's just some of the few things 958 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.480 kind of working through my head right now. I am 959 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.480 also a bit on the lore too. I do like 960 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.280 having the two separate factions law wise, but it's growing 961 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:40.599 on me. It is growing on me. 962 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.719 I love to hear it. And then that's that's the 963 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.920 kind of account that people need to here, quite frankly, 964 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.960 like you know, I'm just we'll get we'll get to 965 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:53.960 the cross faction thing. 966 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:54.400 Light up. 967 00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.559 I would say, don't don't knock it before you try it. 968 00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.079 Well, that's going to be my whole point. Yeah, so 969 00:52:59.119 --> 00:52:59.679 I go, go go. 970 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.360 That's that's the question. Have you played Warcraft three? Like 971 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.800 there are little missions where you're playing. 972 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.199 Oh yeah, I know, yeah almost. 973 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.559 And you're helping and you're helping works and humans oh 974 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:13.440 yea together. 975 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.760 Almost all the lore and expansions have us coming together 976 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.519 to fight the big bag at the end. It's like 977 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.360 pretty much I don't know, eight out of ten endings 978 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.840 of expansions at this point or something like that. So 979 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.599 I definitely get that wise, and but I really like 980 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:29.960 the whole idea of like, hey, it's two separate factions 981 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.639 going at each other, you know, this kind of mentality 982 00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:38.599 of us against them. I like that idea overall. So 983 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.119 I'm still a little interested in like, Okay, well technically 984 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.719 we're kind of friends, but we could fight each other, 985 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.960 but we're kind of friends, so I don't know. 986 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.239 Yeah, do you feel that having the separate quest lines 987 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.400 in capital cities and still being able to world PvP 988 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:53.840 doesn't enough to like protect. 989 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:54.119 That for you? 990 00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.480 It's more of a and it's it's it's kind of 991 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.920 hard to just it's more of an abstract thought and 992 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.760 feeling where it's like, hey, there's the other side. They 993 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.039 are dangerous to me. It was also cause I used 994 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.159 to roll on PvP servers too, so it's a little different. 995 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.039 So there the other side, they are dangerous to me. 996 00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:14.960 I have to be careful when I'm around them and 997 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.239 engaging with them because at any point they could fight 998 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.280 me and kill me. Same thing I could fight and 999 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.440 kill them. So that has always been my logic, especially 1000 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.119 come from PvP servers. I think coming from a PvE 1001 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.840 server perspective, it's a different thought process. So it's really 1002 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.000 just trying to reframe my head around this and seeing 1003 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.960 if it's something I could live with long term. I 1004 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.559 think it will be fine long term for me, But 1005 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.519 it's just something where I've had it's just been ingrained 1006 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.639 in me for fifteen fucking years. That you know, Hordon 1007 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.280 and Alliance we fight each other, and to try to 1008 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.000 go back on that is really tough. 1009 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.960 It's some yeah for me, just my two centses. We 1010 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.719 still absolutely have the ability to fight each other. So 1011 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.440 I've got no drama with the like eye. He can 1012 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.559 choose when you're my friend and when you're not. I 1013 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.440 think that option works for some reason on Epoch, But 1014 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.880 I mean that's just me. Hey, las, can I just 1015 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.000 ask real quick? We see you just running your body 1016 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.119 back to b r D. Did you see something fun 1017 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:14.679 and you on that boss you were attempting? 1018 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.079 Yeah, actually a lot of the bosses were challenging. Feelings 1019 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.320 was very challenging. We had to do like a really 1020 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.840 weird strat This wasn't really weird, start to stand in 1021 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.199 a certain place because he did a lot of ao 1022 00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.599 weed damage. Let me attempted. The boss was way higher 1023 00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.639 than us. The Salamander fire Boss, I forget his name, 1024 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.679 but he's got new mechanics that are we haven't really 1025 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:41.079 figured out yet. But so it's more than just a 1026 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.559 spanking perspective. 1027 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.360 Holy shit, is there's so much more ao we damage 1028 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:47.840 was just. 1029 00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.960 A br D on the whole looks really challenging and fun. 1030 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:51.679 Would that be fair? 1031 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.119 To say absolutely. 1032 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:55.920 I'm not a I'm not a big fan of challenge 1033 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.519 just for challenge sake. But some of the new mechanics 1034 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.679 are fun. Some are overtuned like some some are not. 1035 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.679 But we went as far as yeah, overall. 1036 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.599 I do like some of changes. I think they have 1037 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.199 more work to do. It's definitely not Yeah, not a 1038 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.519 polish for this product yet fair. 1039 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.599 Enough expired and expired thumbs up thumbs down from you. 1040 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.360 The b r D experience, I loven't it. 1041 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.079 I mean, I like BRD as a dungeon anyway. It's 1042 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:31.480 just it's just so big and so long. But no, 1043 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.320 it was nice to see, like most of most of 1044 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:38.559 the bosses have got new mechanics. It's making us sink, 1045 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.679 like if we but we we had Phalanks or whatever 1046 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.679 his name is in the in the Bar, the Golden Boss, 1047 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.119 and we wiped a few times trying to get used 1048 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:52.239 to the new mechanic of that, and eventually we managed 1049 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.119 to nail it just now. But yeah, I mean, I 1050 00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.639 like challenging content. It's it's doable if you do it 1051 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.320 the right way, but it's challenging enough to make you 1052 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.639 think about what you're doing, which is the aspects I like, 1053 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.440 and a lot of these dungeons we've had, Like when 1054 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.920 we did mar Done a few days ago, that was 1055 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.400 the same seeing new stuff with bosses and stuff, and 1056 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.119 you're thinking, oh, oh, because one of I think one 1057 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:19.239 of the bosses that surprises was a oxy on what 1058 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:19.960 his name is? 1059 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.360 Yes, yes, yeah, the other day. Yeah. 1060 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.440 Well it's a nice fight, but it's a horrible fight 1061 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.239 if you if you don't know what's happening. Oh, it's horrible. 1062 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.480 Yes. I think we had one of our new warriors 1063 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:36.960 in the guild sort of just stand in the fire 1064 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.800 and die horrible death, and there was something that maybe 1065 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:40.559 they weren't used to. 1066 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:44.599 Oh yeah, definitely. 1067 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:47.000 Go for it. 1068 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.199 Well, I was just gonna add because I've been healing 1069 00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:53.280 through all these dungeons, which I'm not I've never normally healed, 1070 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:54.920 so I don't know if it's just because I'm a 1071 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.880 bad healer if it's really tough, But I like the 1072 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.360 don't stand and fire mechanics because there's a very obvious 1073 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.079 way to avoid it, and it's good on the players. 1074 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.719 It's like a little check of like hey, can you 1075 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.880 like stop tunnel vision and tunnel visioning for a minute 1076 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.519 and just move over. But the b r D has 1077 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:18.159 had a lot of just like, oh, I'm just going 1078 00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.639 to do AoE to the whole group kind of mechanics 1079 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.760 unavoidable less those are a lot less fun because it 1080 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.880 doesn't really feel like there's anything you can do. Like 1081 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.000 it turned out with the Philings, you could l os it, 1082 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.559 which thank god this fifth Rando and our group told 1083 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.760 us about it ahead of time. We probably wouldn't be 1084 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.119 able to have taken him down without the strat of like, 1085 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:39.800 well if you take him here, then the range can 1086 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.519 ls here and the melee go there, you know. But 1087 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.840 like that boss, we just attempted. Uh you know, maybe 1088 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.000 it'll just take a few more looks at it. But 1089 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.480 it's just as the Healer, it's like if there's nothing 1090 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.519 I can do to not take damage. As the heeler, 1091 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:53.800 it's just very frustrating. 1092 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.599 Yeah, it's it's a controversial opinion, and I appreciate that 1093 00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.559 not a lot of Wow Classic fans will be into this. 1094 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.199 And I'm not saying, you know, Classic Plus should have this, 1095 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.880 I'm just saying what I like. I am a big 1096 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:11.079 fan in MMOs of the Final Fantasy fourteen way of 1097 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.519 doing it, and I know retail. Retail sort of does 1098 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:20.440 this halfway. Final Fantasy fourteen is just dance dance revolution 1099 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:25.599 for your character avoiding incredibly well lit, highlighted zones on 1100 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.199 the the boss fight map of where the fire is 1101 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.599 about to be, so you have like different indicators of like, 1102 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.360 you know, this half of the room is about to 1103 00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:40.960 be sprayed in a dragon's breath. You've got about two 1104 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.559 and a half seconds to get out of it. Well, 1105 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.639 it doesn't give you the time, but you know, you 1106 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.599 work it out. And then there's the circles that just 1107 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.360 to start popping up everywhere when like mass bombs start 1108 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.920 getting dropped. And what I'm getting at is, I know 1109 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.800 retail does this, but they don't do it. This is 1110 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:02.440 more stylistic choice preference by the players. Where do you 1111 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:08.079 like this? The more the subtlety of wow retail where 1112 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.599 it's the circles aren't as obvious and it kind of 1113 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.760 blends into the environment a little bit better, maybe increasing 1114 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.360 your immersion or are you okay with the sort of 1115 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:25.360 you know, wildly animated so fucking obvious you couldn't miss it, 1116 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.880 like bright blue AoE circles that appear on your screen 1117 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.440 and Final Fantasy fourteen. I liked fourteen. I liked just 1118 01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:37.360 really bright circles that completely, you know, arguably broke the 1119 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.719 immersion and said, do not stand here. Something is coming 1120 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:46.039 and your character is constantly moving through fights, and it 1121 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.400 engaged me. It's part of the reason I loved fourteen. 1122 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.920 Dungeons and raids were a blast because you're always avoiding 1123 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:57.280 shit while happening while having to pump out your dps 1124 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.599 or heels at the same time. But that's it's just me, 1125 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.159 and I appreciate the Classic players will be like, no, 1126 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.599 I want to park my characters stand on the same 1127 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.559 spot and just do my rotation. That's cool. That's something 1128 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.440 as well. I know that when it comes to to 1129 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:18.400 like you say, the unavoidable AOI damage is a mechanic 1130 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.800 that sometimes you need to implement to make sure that 1131 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.119 the challenge is there on the healer a little bit. 1132 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.840 But yeah, I do prefer of just knowing where the 1133 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.079 fire is, even though it's it's pretty obvious in Wow 1134 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.599 Classic where the fire is generally it's a fire. But yeah, 1135 01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:34.519 that's just me. 1136 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.880 I eat things bright. I'm getting my eyes are getting 1137 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.239 worse at my older age, so I definitely need bright 1138 01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:43.480 shiny things in front of me. 1139 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.119 Everybody uses dBm right, so like you're getting as audio 1140 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:49.840 cues anyway? 1141 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.960 Yeah, yeah yeah. 1142 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.280 In fourteen, are they is the indicator like standardized across 1143 01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.000 all the bosses or are they still thematic. 1144 01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:03.119 To like, No, it's standardized, So they have a variety 1145 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:07.000 of different indicators. They're all standardized. You know, you know 1146 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.880 what like a static fire is like I said, you 1147 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.760 know what, like I haven't played in so long, Like 1148 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.159 an incoming wave of things is what spread bombs are? 1149 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:20.000 You know what? A like a soak has a particular 1150 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:24.360 indicator as well when you need to stack things like that. 1151 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.159 Oh so you even know kind of what the mechanic 1152 01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.079 is before it even happens. 1153 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.199 Yes, so literally stack has like it puts a particular 1154 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:38.519 marker about like a player gets a d bove. Let's 1155 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.840 say it's like a living bomb that for whatever reason, 1156 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.239 you all need to stand on that player to divide 1157 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:47.800 the damage. That player who gets the DBAVE gets an 1158 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:53.199 incredibly obvious, like you know, skull type marker above their 1159 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.440 head and you watch the whole raid without being told, 1160 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.079 we'll just converge and stack on that player. 1161 01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:03.800 That sounds so nice for like LFR type situations. 1162 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.800 Oh, you have no idea, and like. 1163 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.360 The visual clarity is just instantly there. You can probably 1164 01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.639 make the fights a lot harder and more varied because 1165 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:16.440 and they. 1166 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:18.880 Do, and the fights get pretty intense because it's like 1167 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:23.800 reading sheet music. Everyone knows what the six or seven 1168 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:28.440 indicators mean, so they just literally, like you said, it's 1169 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:33.199 perfect for pugs because ninety percent of the pug knows 1170 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.760 what to do, even if they're terrible players, they mostly 1171 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:41.440 know that means run here, that means run away from that, 1172 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:43.159 you know, and they all just do it. 1173 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:47.559 That's an interesting concept. 1174 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.480 Yeah, check out watch videos fourteen. 1175 01:03:52.559 --> 01:04:00.159 Right, Well, well about this the highlighting of area of effects, 1176 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.320 like because I don't run dBm, I don't run week 1177 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.039 or as at least not now, but I did the 1178 01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:10.719 dead Man, New Dead Mines, the revamped Dead Mines, and 1179 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.639 the Mister Smite fight. Yeah, where the ship fires the 1180 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:18.440 guns the guns at you. I actually kind of liked 1181 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.400 that I had to keep an eye on the ship, 1182 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.159 like where where are the guns firing at I didn't 1183 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.599 have anything to notice me before you hear the guns 1184 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.000 going off, so obviously you know something is coming, but 1185 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.000 you still have to look at the ship, like where 1186 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:37.199 are where the projectile is going to land? We did 1187 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.599 have some bad orange though, and we got stunned, like 1188 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.400 in the same time as the cannons fired, so we 1189 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.480 couldn't move out of the fire. But you know, that's life. 1190 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:49.800 I enjoyed that. 1191 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.159 Actually, I'm like I said, I'm not calling for this 1192 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.880 to come to Classic Plus or any form of Wow 1193 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:56.880 or anything. I'm not saying just through what Final Fantasy 1194 01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.199 fourteen does. All I'm saying is I know that's what 1195 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:06.719 I prefer, and that's what I like. Guys, we'll go 1196 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:11.119 back to I guess. I mean, there's only so much 1197 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:13.159 to talk about with this legal news, Like we said, 1198 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.760 I mean, fuck, we've been told what we've been told. 1199 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.320 They're going to keep going with everything, you know, do 1200 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:21.159 you I guess we'll just talk about a little bit more. 1201 01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:27.239 Do you guys truly think that, you know, the Epoch 1202 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.079 developers aren't going anywhere and they will just keep making 1203 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:34.840 stuff for this game in the shadows? 1204 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.320 I absolutely do. I think that this is kind of 1205 01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.679 a big smoke screen and that the people who've been 1206 01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:44.679 working on this project for four years looking forward to 1207 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.159 developing these raids looking for people to play. These raids 1208 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:50.079 aren't going to bandon it so easily. So I definitely 1209 01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:51.800 think that they're just going to say, hey, we want 1210 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.480 to work on our stuff behind the shadows. We were 1211 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.920 already kind of now behind the shadows now that Ascension 1212 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.599 took the public face of everything. Yeah, though, it's really 1213 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.039 just us turning off the webs site and closing the 1214 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:06.079 discord I think at this point and just letting Ascension 1215 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:12.400 take all the heat and flak for everything, and yeah. 1216 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:13.320 Good anyone else on this one. Do you expect them 1217 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.960 to go away or stay put development wise? 1218 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.440 No, I think they're going to stay put. Like I mean, 1219 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.559 they've spent five years on this project. They're not just 1220 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.280 gonna leave it be. There's no way. There's no way. 1221 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:29.719 There's too much time investment. 1222 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.559 And it's not like my point before was, and it's 1223 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:34.639 not like they just it's not like they just found 1224 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:37.159 out overnight that this was illegal, you know what I mean? 1225 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.840 Oh yeah, no, sorry, someone else is going to jump 1226 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:42.000 in there. 1227 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.920 It was well, I was just was My question is 1228 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.199 how traceable is the money? 1229 01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:46.400 Right? 1230 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.559 Because I think so Nami had mentioned in guild chat 1231 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.760 like that Atot's quit his job or their job, like 1232 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.320 to work on this full time, like recently. I don't 1233 01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.119 know if that's true or not, but just thinking of 1234 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:01.440 being in the first respective of like I just quit 1235 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.239 my job, right, Like, what are my options? My options 1236 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.000 are either I go begging back to my old job, 1237 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.480 or you know, I gotta keep working on this on 1238 01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.320 the slide. But then how am I getting paid on 1239 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:13.920 the slide? 1240 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:14.239 You know? 1241 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.400 Well, as people were pointing out, I hope you got 1242 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.840 that money up front from Ascension in the deal. 1243 01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:21.559 Me too. 1244 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:30.039 So look, I, like I said, there's only so much 1245 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.039 to talk about with the legal side of things, guys, 1246 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.199 because we don't know what's going to happen. But like 1247 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.239 we've talked about what we think is going to happen. 1248 01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.079 The service stays up and keeps going for now, you know, 1249 01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.440 I'm going to keep going. It sounds like a lot 1250 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.679 of you are going to keep going. Is anyone aware 1251 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.199 of anyone that, like, did you guys have any compulsion 1252 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.800 to stop? Do you know of anyone that was like, ah, 1253 01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:52.719 that's it now, that's enough to scare me off. 1254 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:55.760 I saw a couple of people in the Countdown discord 1255 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.880 saying that who were going to take a few days 1256 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.760 off and kind of see if it blows over. My 1257 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.679 initial reaction was a little bit panicky, but has been 1258 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.519 more stabilized by the way that everyone else is reacting. 1259 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.679 I'm a little more worried about the overall server population though. 1260 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.159 I mean, there's five hundred people online right now, so 1261 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.000 still plenty of people to play. But I have a 1262 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:21.680 little bit of PTSD looked over from seasonal Discovery where 1263 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:25.039 I shoke a few took a few phases off, and 1264 01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:27.079 when I came back it wasn't impossible to find groups 1265 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.920 for lower level quests and mold raids and stuff. So 1266 01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:32.479 now I kind of got a fire under my ass 1267 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:34.680 to get through as much of the content as I 1268 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:36.239 can while people are actively doing it. 1269 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.279 I think the thing that will save this server will 1270 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.399 be obviously the custom content. Like I said, if word 1271 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:47.000 starts going around and we haven't had we haven't had 1272 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.920 the bulk of the player base hit the new content yet, 1273 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.720 I would say the average player right now is like 1274 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:57.880 level thirty, you know, thirty to thirty five. Let's say, 1275 01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.960 I'm not sure, but when when that bulkhead starts reaching 1276 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.359 forty plus and really starts getting their teeth sunk into 1277 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:09.159 the new content, word's going to spread around and I think, 1278 01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:13.239 like I'm with you, like we are now only what 1279 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.359 three weeks from launch, and we kind of laugh at 1280 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:21.880 that figure of sixty fifty forty thirty thousand people. Oh 1281 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:25.359 my god, there's going to be a million players on Epoch. No, 1282 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.159 it's settled right down. It's like you say, five thousand online, 1283 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:32.720 maybe ten thousand and fifteen thousand, eighteen thousand total, who 1284 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.720 fucking knows. But it's not like a Bonker's server by 1285 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.960 any stretch of the imagination. But if that content delivers, 1286 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:45.840 like like we say, Turtle Wow started from nothing, it 1287 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.239 had like two hundred players for like its first eighteen 1288 01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:55.199 months or something. If Epochs starting point is like five ten, 1289 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.239 fifteen thousand, and it goes from strength to strength and 1290 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.680 they do happen to keep making good content, like it 1291 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.960 could conceivably grow considerably from here. But who's to say? 1292 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:09.359 Yeah, and still like five thousand people on one server 1293 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:11.600 is more than enough players for. 1294 01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:12.399 It to be active. 1295 01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:16.680 Oh yeah, I mean, especially when it's cross faction as well. 1296 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.319 I think at this point it's more about new players 1297 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:23.600 starting though, because people kind of fall off all the time. 1298 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.720 A couple of weeks into a server, and you know, 1299 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.760 the meme is like is it too late to start? 1300 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.720 But you know, now if you're a month in and 1301 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.960 there's a season desist letter and the project we dipped, 1302 01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:35.239 is it too late to start? 1303 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:42.840 I did still confidently start. I don't know, Like I said, 1304 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:44.960 the one the most important piece of news from all 1305 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.079 these was the Ascension team coming out saying shoulder shruck, 1306 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.800 we don't care life goes on service, not going anywhere. 1307 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:53.840 And it was so fast. 1308 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.760 Yeah, it was very fast. They had that one fucking 1309 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.039 locked and loaded. So you know, with that kind of 1310 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:05.359 confidence from them, then yeah, sure, I mean I'll keep going. 1311 01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:06.680 Like I said, I was going to keep going anyway 1312 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.840 until it's shut down. But let's let's do it, guys. Look, 1313 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.439 I'll segue off the legal stuff because like I said, 1314 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.960 there's there's really only so much to talk about, and 1315 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.520 I think we've pretty much covered it. Arcoss. Are you 1316 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:27.520 still there with us, my friend? Oh no, that's all right. Look, 1317 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:29.279 we won't keep you up too long. I want to 1318 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.560 I want to touch base with you, big guy, and 1319 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.560 I just I just want to say, are you okay? Like, 1320 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.359 are you how you guys? This epoch rocked you to 1321 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:38.279 your very core. 1322 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:44.359 No, I wouldn't say that there's deftly some stuff that's 1323 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.880 annoying or like unexpected. 1324 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:49.399 Like like leveling. 1325 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:55.800 No, like two hours ago, I made a id stack 1326 01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:00.840 of bandages and then I relocked and it was gone. 1327 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:04.119 And I need it. I need them to live. 1328 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.399 Yeah, I mean yeah, like it's just random silly things. 1329 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:10.479 Sometimes it's don't word. 1330 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.600 But I thought I thought, I thought you were ready 1331 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:15.000 to quit. 1332 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:20.960 No, no, I have not had anything bad like that. 1333 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:29.439 Worrior leveling has always come. It's just the ill or 1334 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:30.119 for the course. 1335 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.439 I'll tell my favorite Arcost story to your face. I 1336 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:37.319 think we mentioned it very briefly on the show on Saturday. 1337 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:40.720 I told the listeners ar costs, because I know you 1338 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:42.359 don't listen to the show, so I'll tell you now. 1339 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:46.800 I was saying that my favorite, maybe my favorite encapsulation 1340 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:48.720 of who you are as a person of all time 1341 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:53.720 happens when you know someone in the guild said sorry, 1342 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.119 You said to the guild, uh, you know, I'm going 1343 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:04.479 to go to dead minds, and and someone replied to you, cool, 1344 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.800 what do you need? And you replied, curse. I supposed 1345 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.640 to tank eels or dps. 1346 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:18.159 Yeah. The other someone was a warrior, and I was like, 1347 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:23.800 is this guy really asking what items? I don't give 1348 01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:25.840 a fuck about the items. I'm going to get the quests. 1349 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:29.720 No, But it was the robot arcos of Like literally, 1350 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:33.159 we said on the podcast, ninety nine percent of Wow 1351 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:36.600 players know when they're talking with in the context of 1352 01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.119 a dungeon run and someone says what do you need? 1353 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:42.520 They know they're talking about, Oh do you do you 1354 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.479 have a healer? Do you need a healer? Do you 1355 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.520 need a couple of dps? What are you looking for? 1356 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.960 And you replied with quests, which just proves to me 1357 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.640 you are a robot sent back in time to just 1358 01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:55.039 destroy Wow servers. 1359 01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:03.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all going on joined exactly. 1360 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:07.000 Yeah, everything filled the ship when you joined the server. 1361 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:08.680 Yeah. 1362 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.920 True. Actually, I'm just happy that for once people don't 1363 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.960 get to say that Josh Rue and the serbar. We 1364 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:16.479 can say our coss ruin the server. 1365 01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:23.640 Yeah. I might, I might, I might make that my 1366 01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:24.920 goal in hip hop. 1367 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.960 Actually, there you go. Look, tell us about your warrior. 1368 01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.079 Have you noticed all the funny little bugs? And have 1369 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.439 you been raging or not raging? 1370 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:39.880 So no, I mean I'm not sure if I've run 1371 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:46.600 into a proper bug, but Church feels weird. It's it 1372 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:54.439 feels very cartoony, and it breaks on any type of 1373 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.720 line of sight. Even if it's just like a tree 1374 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.880 that you can walk through, it won't go through, which 1375 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:07.079 is annoying, and like playing Salt and Annie and Epoch, 1376 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:11.119 like going in between them. It's really noticeable that when 1377 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.199 you're trying to charge something that's like very it's not 1378 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:16.840 too close, but it is close, but there's a small 1379 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.800 rock in between that you can easily jump over in 1380 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:21.800 one jump, and it just won't go through. It's very 1381 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:26.920 annoying and taxic It doesn't work so right or like 1382 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.119 it sometimes works and sometimes it just does fuck out 1383 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.720 and you get no rage when you're being hit. So yeah, 1384 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.119 you don't really have rage to use abilities. 1385 01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:42.960 Okay, anyone else, sorry kick Iakos. 1386 01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.800 No, just that's it. The Warrior is the best class, 1387 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.520 but it's eights to lovel and that's not different too. Okay. 1388 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:53.279 Anyone else noticed any funny class shit over the last 1389 01:15:53.359 --> 01:16:02.960 few days. Nope, that's all right. Anyone wants to shout 1390 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.439 out any new content or dungeon shit without too many 1391 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:13.199 spoilers they've seen over the last few days. I'll shout 1392 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:17.560 out some things like I said, like get your asses 1393 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.560 to Tannerus. Just I did a quest last night that 1394 01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:24.039 was just really fun in terms of, you know, there's 1395 01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.439 a mind control aspect, and you guys who have done 1396 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:31.119 it will know exactly what I'm talking about. Just simple 1397 01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:38.760 dumb fun, very classic, very new, completely making fantastic use 1398 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.800 of spaces that we had no reason to go to before. 1399 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.800 And that's really the the clap on the back that 1400 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.000 I want to give these devs. They've just they've gone 1401 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.079 through every zone from level forty onwards and they've just 1402 01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:57.439 picked out parts of the map and gone, hmmm, why 1403 01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.279 there were all these mobs here and nothing to do 1404 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:04.079 with them. Why let's give them something to do. Huh, 1405 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:07.800 here's an empty bit of space. There's like this whole 1406 01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.960 like quadrant of the map that just has no fucking 1407 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:15.359 life or flavor. Let's put a settlement there. They've really 1408 01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.479 fleshed out things so well to the point of like, 1409 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.239 I'm really glad they didn't just like expand gadget zen 1410 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:26.159 or whatever and just like build on what was already there. No, 1411 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.319 They've they've filled in the spaces on the canvas, and 1412 01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:34.880 it feels fucking amazing, Like this really feels quicker, Like 1413 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:38.239 I have zoomed through my forties. I feel like I 1414 01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:42.000 was forty like yesterday, and I'm fifty one now or 1415 01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:46.399 just about to dim fifty one, forty five through fifty one. 1416 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:50.119 Like my plate time is still long because I'm still 1417 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:53.159 doing professions and whatnot and being a dickhead. But like 1418 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:58.720 when I actually knuckle down and start questing, that experience 1419 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:03.119 bar does fill up noticeably quicker than anything Era or 1420 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.880 Vanilla related in the past that I've played through. Are 1421 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.000 you guys still feeling that quicker experience? 1422 01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:12.600 Oh, it's going by so fast. I keep thinking that 1423 01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:15.199 I'm like forty four or forty three, and I look 1424 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.680 on like I'm forty six. You know, I keep forgetting 1425 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:19.760 that I'm actually further ahead that I am, and I'm 1426 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:23.119 still doing dungeons, still exploring, still doing other stuff, and 1427 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:24.600 it's still going so smoothly. 1428 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:33.439 I can't can't overstate how good the the leveling experience 1429 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:39.000 has been as a human. Just Maze's basically said, like, hey, 1430 01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.159 we're not leaving the Eastern Kingdoms until we're forced to, 1431 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:44.840 and we're sitting at forty one forty two and we're 1432 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.960 still doing the same thing. Every zone feels fleshed out. 1433 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.880 It feels like you don't actually have to leave the 1434 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:52.720 zone to go somewhere else and then come back. 1435 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:56.760 It's a pretty great experience. 1436 01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.720 I've been genuinely sitting around going like you guys know, 1437 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:05.319 I loved SOT. I loved the leveling experience in SOD. 1438 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:08.960 But they're very, very different. And so that's why it 1439 01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:12.119 is hard to compare, because it's kind of like doing 1440 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.560 the Apples and Orangest thing, even though they're both like 1441 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:20.760 you know, vanilla based, you know, twists on the old 1442 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.720 school leveling experience. It's so hard to say. I was 1443 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.319 sitting there going which did I prefer? Did I prefer 1444 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.199 Salt or do I prefer Epoch? And I it's just 1445 01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:35.199 too hard. I just think it's like it really is 1446 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:39.880 like thrusting different games upon people and saying, you know, 1447 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.800 what do you like better? But the Epoch leveling experience, 1448 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.000 like I say, has been so good. And again I'll 1449 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:49.560 just sort of say to people, even in spite of 1450 01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:52.560 this news coming out that you know, oh Blizz is 1451 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:54.640 going in the lawsuit or sorry that season to see 1452 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.319 stuff to Epoch, Like if you haven't rolled on this server, 1453 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:01.039 still give it a go. Like you you guys need 1454 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:04.840 to see this to know what a good C plus 1455 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.479 feels like and so that you can gauge whatever Blizzard 1456 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:13.640 offers us next against you need to know. Please please 1457 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:18.319 play this so that you fucking know what a good 1458 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.439 version of C plus is. Please And then when we 1459 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.640 have all these arguments in three six nine months on 1460 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.039 the show about what should and shouldn't should and should 1461 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.560 not be in C plus, I want you all to 1462 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.800 be like, Yeah, I played Epoch, so I have a 1463 01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:36.520 good basis upon which to, you know, put forward my arguments. 1464 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.840 I don't want to be arguing against people that are 1465 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:43.279 just going off of paper based arguments on paper. I 1466 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:46.159 don't think this will work on a Blizzard server. Well 1467 01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:49.319 we played it in Theory and it fucking worked on Epoch, 1468 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:51.279 So what do you want us to do? Just please 1469 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:51.840 give it a go. 1470 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:56.720 Yeah. I did Wail in Caverns like a couple of 1471 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:58.920 days ago for the first time, and I was blown 1472 01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:02.359 away to stop myself. Why didn't we get this inside? 1473 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:06.520 Why it was so good? It was literally one of 1474 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.960 the best dungeons, or at least the pretty prettiest dungeons 1475 01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:10.680 I've ever done. 1476 01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:13.359 Well, I agree, and this is where I'm gonna have 1477 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:18.319 to come back to old fucking crampers. Arcosts and Arcos 1478 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.880 threw in another very interesting little tidbit in the discord 1479 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:23.760 the other day where it's like, I'm going to try 1480 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:28.199 to do my best Arcoss impression where he goes, I 1481 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.359 don't know why you guys are so fucking excited about 1482 01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.119 this new whaling cabins. It's just the same old shit 1483 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:39.159 that it was, fucking just average. Why are you guys 1484 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.479 coming all over the place about this Arcos? Was that 1485 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:44.359 a fair impression? 1486 01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:54.640 I went in there and I was like, you know, 1487 01:21:54.960 --> 01:22:03.000 the visuals are very much more like anti wee color 1488 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:08.079 palette and right, but that was kind of it there. 1489 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:13.399 There wasn't much more new ship drugs. 1490 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.880 They completely redid them map and gave you new bosses. 1491 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:23.079 One of the bosses did something. All the other process 1492 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:26.520 were just like a trash mob but had a different name. 1493 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.640 And it's just as confusing a place to be in, 1494 01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:33.359 Like you you get lost just as much as the 1495 01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:38.840 previous one, and the visuals are more like Korean or whatever. 1496 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:42.800 Okay, so you're saying, you're saying it's like the Malibu 1497 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:44.640 Stacey and she's just got a new hat. 1498 01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:52.439 I'm saying it's yes, sure, sure, new hat. 1499 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.279 New, but she's got a new hat. You're accusing us 1500 01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:57.840 all of saying, but she's got a new hat. I 1501 01:22:57.960 --> 01:22:59.079 know this reference is flying over. 1502 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:04.000 Actually you were saying, wow, her hat is amazing, yes, 1503 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:06.199 and I'm saying she was wearing a hat last week, 1504 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.680 she's wearing a hat this week. Their different color. Who 1505 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:09.319 the fuck cures? 1506 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.199 Okay, now to all of you on this call, I 1507 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:16.399 want you to please, I invite you. He can withstand it. 1508 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:19.600 Evisceraate this man for these ship takes. 1509 01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.199 He just basically said, I think her pixels and I 1510 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:23.640 don't care. 1511 01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:25.159 Yeah. 1512 01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:27.960 I think argument is that what Arcus. 1513 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:32.920 Needs is basically a whaling caverns mythic plus with keys. 1514 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.920 I'm just I'm not saying that it's wrong to be 1515 01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:41.520 like Yo. They did. They took a dungeon and they 1516 01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:45.079 made it different, and I find that really cool. That's fine, 1517 01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.399 but I thought they did something insane. And then I 1518 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:53.760 stepped in and it was a different type of map 1519 01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.720 that was still very confusing and a painted job. I'm 1520 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:00.439 not saying it's like bad bad, I'm the saying I 1521 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.359 didn't understand the cumming about it. 1522 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:06.039 I have learned one thing about u ArkOS over the 1523 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:08.640 last two weeks, and I will give you the opportunity 1524 01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:12.640 to defend yourself an answer for this. You charge of 1525 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:18.560 a crime. Right now, I am fairly convinced you really 1526 01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:22.720 don't like World of Warcraft and you really like if 1527 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:26.359 a game were delivered to you and it was World 1528 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:30.520 of Warrior Raid logs you and all you do when 1529 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.000 you log in is it puts you instantly in a 1530 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:35.600 raid and you get to get a score at the 1531 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:38.520 end that you then log against other players, and it's 1532 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:40.600 got a leaderboard every week that you're check in on. 1533 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:42.800 You would play that game for the rest of your 1534 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:45.000 life and say it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. 1535 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:49.520 Everything outside, like everything outside of that instance portal of 1536 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.840 the raid you think is trash. 1537 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:56.880 No, if that was true, I would be playing Retail, 1538 01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:01.800 which is the instant game of being outside in in 1539 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.279 in Classic Vanilla, especially like most of my time in 1540 01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:10.760 like nineteen twenty Classic was just spend running up and 1541 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:14.680 down fellowood hoping and doing pop. Most of my game 1542 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.640 time hours were that, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and 1543 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:18.680 I really loved it. 1544 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.319 I believe me defending our cost, but I think we 1545 01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:30.359 might we might just be suffering from you know, expectation setting, right, 1546 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.079 Like all of us we went in, we had no 1547 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:37.640 expectations and we were like, fuck, I had no expectations. 1548 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:41.039 This was great. But ourcos came in after we had all, 1549 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.840 you know, talked it up a bunch true the discord, 1550 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.840 and I can see how it didn't like. I think 1551 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.479 it was great. I really loved it. I thought I'd 1552 01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:53.840 take it over the original Whiling Caverns every any the 1553 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:57.720 day of the week. But it it is still Willing Caverns. 1554 01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.560 It is still a level twentyish dungeon. 1555 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:02.960 That's fair. I mean, we've all we've all seen the movie, 1556 01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:05.720 you know, gone to a movie after all your fucking 1557 01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:07.960 friends have been like, oh my god, it's the best 1558 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:10.399 fucking movie you've ever seen, and it's been hyped up 1559 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.800 to the point that you know, you watch it. It 1560 01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:13.359 was okay. 1561 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.079 I can I can make you disappointed with an A 1562 01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:17.319 minus movie, you. 1563 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:21.159 Know, all right? Yeah, I look, I hate any defensive 1564 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:22.960 arcosts as well. He's a piece of ship. But I 1565 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:26.319 appreciate it now, Jordan, you wanted to say something. 1566 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.000 Yeah, So I started two weeks late on this server, 1567 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:34.079 so I got to come in after listening to you 1568 01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:36.720 guys hype it up on the podcast, and build up 1569 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:39.319 my whole you know, leveling for twenty levels, trying to 1570 01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:41.000 get there, so I could see this cool new content. 1571 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:43.399 And it was exactly as cool as I thought it 1572 01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:46.039 was going to be. The dungeon was absolutely beautiful. I 1573 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:50.279 liked it that there was little skips to get back okay, 1574 01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.920 gives to get back to places after. 1575 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:57.600 You you know, finished the bosses. They more than one 1576 01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:59.840 of them, had new mechanics crush all the mechanics and 1577 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.840 the ferry dragon. And I read it again and the 1578 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:07.800 second time it wasn't confusing. The layouts actually way better 1579 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:08.479 than the old one. 1580 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:12.920 Well there you go. I also enjoy a point in 1581 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:15.840 the Fucking You Arcoss column. Very good, very well said. 1582 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.399 So can we conclude fucking you ar Coss? Ar Coss, 1583 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:22.880 what do you reckon? 1584 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:25.600 No, I think that's true. 1585 01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.119 Stuck, I stuck at the motion. Very good arks. Did 1586 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:34.800 you also enjoy that? I think in the quickest decision 1587 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.760 flipping of all time you had. You managed to get 1588 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:41.840 the soundboard enabled on the countdown discord and then disabled 1589 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:44.039 within forty eight hours. 1590 01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:46.319 Yeah, that was a mission. 1591 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.560 You're you're bizarre. As soon as we all said, anyone 1592 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.720 who asked for the soundboard to be opened is a 1593 01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:57.560 red flag, and you became everything we thought you were 1594 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.000 with your weird obsession with the soundboard. 1595 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.479 I approved your hypothesis correct. 1596 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.279 Exactly you are. You're an odd duck, but I love it. 1597 01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:10.359 I muted it within that first ten minutes of him around. 1598 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:12.960 Oh, he would not stop. He was insane. 1599 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:16.479 It was a glorious time. 1600 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.199 Oh my god. Anyway, guys, look, I'm not going to 1601 01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:20.800 keep you all day. We've already gone an hour and 1602 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:22.840 a half and pretty much this was just an emergency 1603 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:25.159 pod on this one issue and we've covered it. I'll 1604 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.159 just let you, guys say speak now forever, holdly silence. 1605 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.159 Anything you want to say about your last few days, 1606 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.279 an epoch that needs to be said. You know, I've 1607 01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:36.520 I've flirted with the concept of respecking and going destro 1608 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:38.920 but I decided not to because I'll just you know, 1609 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:42.199 everyone's like, you know, fucking I just do think that 1610 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.399 the manner issues will be considerable. And even though it's 1611 01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:46.439 fun and do what you want, I just want to 1612 01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:48.520 get to sixty. And you know, like I said, I'm 1613 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:52.760 almost fifty one, I'm about to step foot into fuck. 1614 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:53.479 Where am I going? 1615 01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:55.640 God? 1616 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:56.359 Where was I going? 1617 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:56.640 Next? 1618 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:58.600 Fellwood? I think I was going to go to Fellwood 1619 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.600 for a level. And then Ub says, we've got to 1620 01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:03.720 get our asses to bad Lands at fifty two to 1621 01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:08.079 two to do this epic new Yeah, sorry, Blasted Lands. 1622 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:09.800 That's what I mean. We've got to get to Blasted 1623 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.119 Lands at fifty two to do this epic new fucking 1624 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:15.880 open world dungeon that takes about two hours or whatever, 1625 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:19.079 So that'll be fun. And then I think I'll do 1626 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.000 what I have to do as Shara after Blasted Lands. 1627 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:28.159 Apparently Shara is is fucking great. And then I want 1628 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:30.880 to go to Western and Winter Spring. 1629 01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:37.560 What do you guys don't sleep on Burning Steps? 1630 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:39.680 Oh, I'm probably gonna skip it. 1631 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:45.840 That's I'm skipping all that ship you said. I'm just 1632 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.520 doing burning Steps and dungeons right now, and I'm having 1633 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:49.039 a good time. 1634 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:51.079 I'm not gonna be able to help that. 1635 01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:53.520 It's right near b r D. So whenever, whenever we 1636 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:58.000 inevitably form our dungeon group, I'm like, already there questing 1637 01:29:58.079 --> 01:29:59.600 and that's like all right, yeah, I can find off 1638 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.279 Im doing well. 1639 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:03.800 Also there's but there's all these zones. You can't do 1640 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:07.720 them all. Angorro's apparently amazing Burning Steps. Now you're recommending, 1641 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.399 like fucking we literally have to go to the mall 1642 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:12.039 and we're not going to be able to And I've 1643 01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:14.359 even talking about talked about Silts. 1644 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:20.079 He works out, Nicet me, me, Axel Laz and a 1645 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.920 turn we're all in Burning Steps. It was like, there 1646 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:24.720 we do dragon Kim menace so we can get the 1647 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.640 next year question chain on the go, and then like 1648 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:30.840 will there be ideas? Like yeah, cool, it just took 1649 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:32.880 us a while to get there, but there's so many 1650 01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:35.880 people there killing the dragons. It was like never impossible 1651 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:39.199 to find the fifteen wels that we needed to kill. 1652 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:43.720 Yeah, my whole thing expired has not to let be 1653 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.800 and I've probably played more than I would have liked to, 1654 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.960 but I'm like, don't let these pricks fucking create too 1655 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.600 big of a gap from me, because I need to 1656 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:55.239 touch base with you. Axel Laz. You know. That's the 1657 01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:56.680 guys I want to keep running with. 1658 01:30:57.239 --> 01:30:59.560 We're missing that fifth person right now in our group. 1659 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:02.840 That's what it is, four of us we should be 1660 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:04.680 and then we're just missing that fit person because you've 1661 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:05.600 just dropped off a little bit. 1662 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.680 Yeah, well I'm only two levels. 1663 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:14.920 I'm only two levels behind. But so yeah, I think 1664 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:18.640 I think la lass is fifty three question mark now 1665 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:23.880 I'm about to dig fifty one. Yeah, it won't really 1666 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:27.000 matter because in four or five levels, four or five levels, 1667 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:28.640 I'll be able to come to like the max level 1668 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:32.039 dungeons with you anyway, arguably. But yeah, we shall see. Sorry, 1669 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:33.039 someone was going to say something. 1670 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:35.960 I was just saying, you'll be in the next pod 1671 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:37.399 run then hopefully yeah. 1672 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:40.399 Yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully I'll see how I'll get to 1673 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.199 fifty one, maybe fifty two today and work from there. 1674 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.720 But look, still having a blast. Warlock is still fantastic. 1675 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.319 Loving that no one is playing it, you know, it 1676 01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:53.840 makes me feel special. I yeah, guys, anything else before 1677 01:31:53.880 --> 01:32:00.159 we wind this one up? Let me know. Nope, Okay, 1678 01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.680 go forret spot. So I sorry, Jordan isn't. 1679 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:06.000 Getting off that easy. I'm going to personally challenge you 1680 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:08.920 to go do dead minds die? Ride that mind cart 1681 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:09.920 back from the beginning and. 1682 01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:11.560 Tell me that's not the best thing they have ever 1683 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:12.399 added to a dungeon. 1684 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:22.479 There you go, I haven't done that's I'll believe you 1685 01:32:22.600 --> 01:32:26.119 at some point when it's right. I don't doubt that it's. 1686 01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:30.039 Cool, though, I reckon you'll quit by next week, you think, 1687 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.800 isn't that we shall say? 1688 01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:36.880 All right, I didn't. I didn't look in for like 1689 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:40.319 five days, but I was just busy, right, yeah, I 1690 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:44.039 mean I'm not This isn't my main game. I'm not 1691 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:45.840 no living this, No, no, no. 1692 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.960 You've got to keep right there pumping those logs inside 1693 01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:50.680 that no one's playing anymore, so that you can say 1694 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:51.560 you're the best in the world. 1695 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:58.159 Yep, the best and the only one you get a 1696 01:32:58.279 --> 01:32:59.960 hundred parts if you're the only person parsoning. 1697 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.319 That's what he's going for, you know. 1698 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.279 And that's not what I'm don't care about. 1699 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:09.239 I don't care. 1700 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:14.880 All right, All right, guys, will wind it up there. 1701 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.680 Thanks so much to all of you for taking part 1702 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:18.119 in this one. That was a lot of fun, and 1703 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:23.199 we'll see you again, maybe maybe on Saturday. Maybe after 1704 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:26.119 that we'll figure it out. But more to talk about 1705 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.600 on the Countdown Guild's ventures with Epoch. Guys, I'll say 1706 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.359 this much. Look again, if you're not sure, just slash 1707 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:36.640 who anyone in Countdown ask for an invite? Look, we 1708 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:40.359 would How do I put this? The guys might ask you, 1709 01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:42.439 like what the password is? You know, if you listen 1710 01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.439 to the show, you're in. You know, we're a little 1711 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.119 bit warier of people who are just discovering Countdown now 1712 01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:52.079 and think this is like, oh, this is some zerg 1713 01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:56.039 streamer guild, like I want in while it is, come one, 1714 01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:58.600 come all, It's not really that kind of guild, guys, 1715 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:00.439 And I don't want to, like, I don't want to 1716 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.239 gate keep and be like if you didn't know about 1717 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:05.119 the show before, you're not in. But like, we have 1718 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.600 a certain culture here, as you can hear on the podcast, 1719 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.840 we have a certain kind of player. These are the 1720 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:12.039 kind of guys and girls that we like to run with. 1721 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:17.960 Like the newbies are less likely to maybe, I don't know, 1722 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.960 like be the kind of players we are. We're not 1723 01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.279 so sure, So like, just you know, wait until you've 1724 01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:26.760 heard a few Countdown episodes before you ask for a 1725 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:30.279 Countdown Guilding vibe, Because maybe you're you're not into us, 1726 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.000 but like, yeah, it's it's yeah, go for it. 1727 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.199 Our little rule of thumb has been since we've been 1728 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.520 four people a lot, right when we grab somebody in, 1729 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:43.239 if you know, we give them the discord and they're 1730 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:45.520 willing to just jump in and talk with us or 1731 01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.520 at least listen in, that's at least a good start. 1732 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:50.680 One hundred percent. And I love finding those players, and 1733 01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:53.199 we've met friends like Expired Tuna and whatnot like that 1734 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:56.159 along the way. But this is it's such a shit 1735 01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:58.680 thing to say because I know people don't want to 1736 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:01.720 do it, but the guys that like yeah, don't want 1737 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:04.600 to get in voice and don't say anything in the party, 1738 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:07.319 like and you know there, I'm a little bit more 1739 01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:11.520 wary of them, you know. And I'm just I am 1740 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:14.960 a little bit warier of I have been publishing these 1741 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:20.680 podcasts on YouTube, and I don't love like the complete 1742 01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.680 random on YouTube who's like because I had one of 1743 01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:27.319 these the other day, Who's like, Oh, I have no 1744 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.640 fucking idea what this guild is or who you guys 1745 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.039 are or what really I mean, I saw five minutes 1746 01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.640 of your podcast and I decided decided to join the guild. 1747 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:39.920 I'm a bit like, uh, like, we're not a zert guild. 1748 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:41.640 I think they. 1749 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:45.760 Hopefully, hopefully they'll get bored. 1750 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.000 Thanks, just three weeks to become. 1751 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:52.279 Yeah, I'm already there. Let's do it. No fuck it 1752 01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:56.319 if people keep asking people for the password when they 1753 01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:58.640 ask you for an invite to the guild, and gauge 1754 01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:02.119 them by their response to whether or Because we're at 1755 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:06.800 the three hundred mark now, I am really wary of 1756 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.560 blowing that up too much. More like, I want to 1757 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:13.159 kind of know that it's listeners coming in, and I 1758 01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:15.920 don't want to turn into the dead Shids guild because 1759 01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:19.920 guilds are the worst thing on every server. Andre we're 1760 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.000 starting to sort of maybe dangerously encroach on that territory. 1761 01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:28.239 A friend of mine asked me earlier tonight if I 1762 01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:33.600 wanted to join his uh guilt has been together since 1763 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:36.520 like Elisium. I said, no, I'm in accessible guild and 1764 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.279 I'm going to stay there until i'm little sixty. 1765 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:42.079 Yeah, accurate. I like it very good. Join join Team 1766 01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:44.600 Cesspool one of us, one of us. If you're a 1767 01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:47.399 long time listener, please just hit us up. Guys. The 1768 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:50.199 guild is fantastic everything's going really really well. I'll just 1769 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:52.560 say as well, like, look, we we did have a 1770 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.560 listener leave the guild yesterday who is like fuck man, 1771 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.479 like none of you guys like I haven't I'm level 1772 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.000 forty and I haven't run a single dungeon with a 1773 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.239 countdown person. And I'll always just sort of say, like, 1774 01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:10.359 guys somewhat have to take the bull by the horns 1775 01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:13.239 with this game, Like, there are so many players out 1776 01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:16.960 there who expect the content to come to them, and 1777 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:19.359 this is I've ranted about this a lot with world 1778 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:21.880 PvP in the past, where there's a lot of people 1779 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:24.880 who bitch about world PvP and go on this server. Shit, 1780 01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:28.760 there's no world PvP on this server because they don't 1781 01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:32.079 see the one hundred v one hundred fights around every corner. 1782 01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:34.960 And I'm like, number one, that's not how world PvP works. 1783 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.560 Number two, Mate, If you want world PvP content, go 1784 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:42.760 and start picking fights with people like that. You are 1785 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:45.760 the master of your own fucking destiny. Here, go and 1786 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:48.760 pick fights with people. You start the one v one 1787 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:50.840 that will snowball into the two v two that will 1788 01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:52.880 snowball into the five v five and so on and 1789 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:56.960 so forth. You become a bully, you get amongst it 1790 01:37:57.039 --> 01:37:59.640 and create your own content. People don't want to do 1791 01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.800 that because they're terrified of losing in PvP, but also 1792 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.359 they just want to be the player that gets to 1793 01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:09.159 drive by the big fight, hit one button that kills 1794 01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:12.079 the person at five percent, have a laugh, snicker and say, well, 1795 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.560 PvP is back on the menu. Boys, please create your 1796 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:17.359 own content. And by that I mean like in the 1797 01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:20.720 countdown guilds. Yeah, if you just say in guilt chat 1798 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:24.399 looking for more SM and you don't get a reply, 1799 01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.560 and there's you know, thirty people online but only two 1800 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:31.840 within your level range, like that's going to happen, So 1801 01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:37.119 please whisper people organize with people via the discord offline. 1802 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:39.680 Hey mate, couldn't help, but notice you're thirty five. I'm 1803 01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:42.560 thirty five. Would you like to do a fucking dungeon tomorrow? 1804 01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:46.319 Yeah that sounds great. Whisper people in game, Hey mate, 1805 01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:49.439 would you be interested in fucking healing this dungeon? Yeah? Sure, 1806 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:54.239 No dramas just like you've got to get proactive, don't 1807 01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:57.439 just wait for There are people that just want to 1808 01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:00.760 be in zur guilds. Like I said, with five hundred 1809 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:04.039 people in the guild where they're just writing guild chat, 1810 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.199 you know, looking for more s M and it's basically 1811 01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:11.479 like advertising in Slash four and the party forms that way. 1812 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:15.319 That's great, don't get me wrong, but like sometimes you 1813 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:18.399 do need to be a bit more involved, you know, 1814 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:22.520 just please do that. Don't don't judge the guild by 1815 01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:25.720 No one replied to my guild message. It's not really 1816 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:30.520 necessarily how it works. Sorry. Does does that strike a 1817 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:31.319 chord with anyone? 1818 01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:35.880 Yeah? I just want to add, don't don't fear a failure. 1819 01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:41.439 I feel like oftentimes people are concerned about like joining 1820 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:43.359 a group because they are, you know, they don't want 1821 01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.960 to be a drag on the team. And having having 1822 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.359 been dragging down these other three people for a while 1823 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:53.840 and nobody complaining, uh, you know, it's it's failure. 1824 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:59.000 Is I mean a good we had an IBRD group, 1825 01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:07.119 wasn't a toxic person at all and very patient and 1826 01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:09.000 although we you know, we wiped a few times and 1827 01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:11.319 we died a few times, didn't complain once. 1828 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:14.760 And they were there to go to the poor run. 1829 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:16.760 They would have made it to Emperor if we were 1830 01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:17.520 capable of it. 1831 01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:21.560 That that's something that I kind of just you've reminded 1832 01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:23.359 me I should mention like I have seen a lot 1833 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:28.439 of Reddit posts about Epoch talking about like how horribly 1834 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:30.880 toxic of a server it is, and this is, you know, 1835 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.760 the most racist fucking server I've ever seen. All these 1836 01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:36.720 guys are so toxic, All these players are assholes. I 1837 01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:39.520 got kicked from Group X, I got kicked from Group Y. 1838 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:42.880 People only want paladins to tank blah blah blah blah blah, 1839 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:46.359 and saying this server is trash, you're also fucked blah 1840 01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:49.640 blah blah blah blah. Everyone in the Countdown ninety nine 1841 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:51.479 percent of people I feel like in the Countdown Guild 1842 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:53.199 and in the Countdown Discord is saying like, I don't 1843 01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:56.039 know what fucking game you're playing, but we haven't seen 1844 01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.359 any of that. Now. I've said already on the podcast 1845 01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:01.079 in the past. Yes, Okay, I'm a little bit tainted 1846 01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:04.720 in my view because I've left the LFG channel. I 1847 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:07.000 don't sit there and wel chat and let listen to 1848 01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.680 all these fucking you know, eleven year old's talk politics 1849 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:13.560 to me, Like I just I just opt out of that, okay, 1850 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.199 so I don't get exposed to any of that but 1851 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:19.680 the player behavior in game that I have seen for 1852 01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:25.359 the vast majority of times has been perfectly normal, acceptable, 1853 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:28.520 if not cordial, like you guys just described, I have 1854 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.600 had nothing but like positive experiences in PvE dungeons with people. 1855 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.800 Everyone is nice, no one's been a cunt, you know, 1856 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:38.840 they just you wipe, No one says anything, everyone gets 1857 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:40.600 through the dungeon. Everyone's happy. 1858 01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:40.960 Right. 1859 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:45.319 There's of course going to be like PvP toxicness, like toxicity, 1860 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.399 like we said, with the ability to talk to each 1861 01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:50.279 other after a kill. I don't I'm not flagged, I'm 1862 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.520 not war moted, so I don't really get involved with 1863 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:57.880 any of that. You know, this community, it's it's not perfect. 1864 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:00.359 Don't get me wrong. Of course, all that dis gusting 1865 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:07.279 racism and bullshit does exist. But like when you actually, okay, 1866 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:10.399 how do I put this. If you put the majority 1867 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:14.760 of these players in an environment where they now socially 1868 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.760 somewhat have to fall in line with the group, people 1869 01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.760 are being well behaved, I have had a great time 1870 01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:23.560 and I kind of tear my hair out a little bit. 1871 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:28.039 Even though private service historically are fucking cesspools. We all 1872 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.560 know that. Just look at the discord it's fucking disgusting 1873 01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.319 all that shit. But for the most part, and trust me, 1874 01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:36.439 I know this after years of you know, doing a 1875 01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:39.319 countdown to classic podcasts with like twelve people on the 1876 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:41.920 line right now, twenty more sitting here in the audience 1877 01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.159 and everyone being on their best behavior. If you just 1878 01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:46.880 fucking be a normal person, people will generally fall in 1879 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.319 line and be normal with you. I don't know, it's 1880 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.880 just have you guys, like, would you describe this server 1881 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:56.159 as a fucking cesspool or if you had a fine experience. 1882 01:42:57.760 --> 01:42:59.039 Nah, I haven't. 1883 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:05.640 I haven't had a single bad dungeon experience. Everyone's been great, like, 1884 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:09.600 no complaining, no whining, no toxicity, nothing. 1885 01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:15.239 I do think we are a bit insulated. I feel uh. 1886 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.720 Like you said you took turned off world Chat. Yeah, 1887 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:22.159 it's definitely out there. 1888 01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:22.560 Oh yeah. 1889 01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:25.920 We had a couple of people in just ran the 1890 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:28.800 pugs that were a little sketchy, just kind of not 1891 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:32.520 saying anything terrible, but like you could tell that they 1892 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:34.720 wanted to people they are, Yeah. 1893 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:38.319 They wanted to And that's a lot of them. A 1894 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:40.720 lot of the edge lords, the fucking pieces of shit 1895 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.359 out there. They test the waters. They'll they'll they'll say 1896 01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:48.520 a half thing that just sees if someone pushes open 1897 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:50.960 the door that they've they've nudged a creak in, if 1898 01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.279 you know what I mean. And but if you generally 1899 01:43:53.359 --> 01:43:55.960 don't give, if you don't push open the door, then 1900 01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:57.920 more often than not, they'll just shut the fuck up. 1901 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:01.720 Yes, it's just don't participate. 1902 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:08.159 But anyway, so yeah, I'm not saying Epoch's perfect. I'm 1903 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:11.000 not saying it's the fucking promised, you know, wonderland of 1904 01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:15.960 fluffiness and niceties. There are horrible people out there. On 1905 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.199 any private server, you're going to read horrible things. If 1906 01:44:19.239 --> 01:44:22.039 you sit in weld Chat and it does it's you know, 1907 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:24.439 I've been criticized for this for saying, Josh, you know, 1908 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:27.479 just saying, just turn off world Chat. You know, that's 1909 01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:30.520 a horrible thing to have to recommend to people. You 1910 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:32.800 know that you need to address the root cause of 1911 01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:34.880 the problem, which is stopping people from saying this shit 1912 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:37.760 and having moderation. Well, I don't run the server, and 1913 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.520 I can't stop people from saying this shit. So I 1914 01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:42.560 do what I can do and I just opt out. Yes, 1915 01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:44.720 it sucks that that's, you know, an indication of the 1916 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:47.439 kind of players that sometimes sometimes wind up on these servers, 1917 01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.600 but like it's just what I do. I don't I 1918 01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:52.640 don't put myself in a position where I'm just going 1919 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:56.079 to get upset. So when I'm in a dungeon, I 1920 01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:58.720 gauge these people by what they say in party chat, 1921 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:01.399 and no one said anything yet, So I'm having a 1922 01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:05.439 good time. That's all I can do. Guys, we'll wind 1923 01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:07.359 it up there. Thank you so much for doing this 1924 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:09.079 one with me. I'll hang out with you a bit 1925 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:11.520 more after I ended the recording, but we'll see you 1926 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:20.000 all on Saturday. All right, So we're back with another 1927 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:23.920 countdown to classic and keeping it light, you know, footloose 1928 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:26.920 and fancy free here today because we did all the 1929 01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:30.399 heavy stuff with the legalities and the cease and desist 1930 01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:34.159 about Epoch the other day. So that's a good heavy 1931 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:37.239 hour and a half of content for you. And I'll 1932 01:45:37.319 --> 01:45:40.359 lead the podcast off with that conversation and then ease 1933 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:44.359 you into the back half of this pod with this conversation. 1934 01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:47.680 So we've got a whole bunch of Countdown people on 1935 01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:49.760 the line right now. Look, I'm not doing it in 1936 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:52.039 the town hall as I usually do. I'm just in 1937 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:55.039 general voice chat and just encouraging people to fucking be 1938 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:58.239 light and easy. But we figured we'd once again talk 1939 01:45:58.279 --> 01:46:01.720 about the server, but also talk about ourselves and what 1940 01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:03.960 we've been doing and more importantly the funny and dumb 1941 01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:05.800 shit that we've been doing, and have a bit of 1942 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:09.119 a kangaroo court as well. So I figured we might 1943 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.119 kick off with kangaroo court if that's okay. And if 1944 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.680 you guys aren't familiar with the concept of a kangaroo court, 1945 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:17.600 it's you know, we had a chat about it the 1946 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:20.119 other day in voice chat, and you know, I think, 1947 01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:23.359 funnily enough, someone said that it's an American coins term, 1948 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:27.079 but in Australia it's definitely used as more of a 1949 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:31.439 lighthearted bonding thing. You know. Football teams will do it 1950 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:36.119 when they go on trips, you know footy trip. You 1951 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:38.720 go off your travel, you play your games, and then 1952 01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:41.920 afterwards you'll have a kangaroo court with the boys and 1953 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:44.359 girls and call people out for the funny or dumb 1954 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:46.760 shit that they did during the game or at the 1955 01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:49.319 pub or whatever it might be. So we're going to 1956 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:53.199 do the countdown equivalent here and I've encouraged everyone hopefully 1957 01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:55.319 they can come up with the story or something from 1958 01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:59.039 the past week to with love, throw a guild member 1959 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:00.880 lightly under the bus and have a bit of a 1960 01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:03.680 fun ribbing with each other. And I'll I've got a 1961 01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:07.520 few stories and i'll maybe i'll I can start with myself. 1962 01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:10.079 Actually it's probably fair to do, and then I'll throw 1963 01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:13.920 a beloved Countdown member under the bus after I'm done 1964 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:18.000 ribbing myself. So order order. This first session of the 1965 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:24.560 Countdown Kangaroo Court has come into session, and guys, I 1966 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.920 just want to tell you a quick story about and 1967 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:29.520 don't get me wrong, we'll have some commentary on the 1968 01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:31.800 game as well while I'm weaving through this story. But 1969 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:37.680 myself and my little traveling party of like minded level 1970 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:40.840 fifty players, Like I said, I've been fortunate enough to 1971 01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.920 band together with guys that have mostly fallen in step 1972 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.159 with me. They're going a little bit quicker than me, 1973 01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:48.399 and I'm up the tail end, but I'm just keeping 1974 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:52.560 within touching distance of these guys. You know again, the 1975 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:59.000 amazing Axel Lazarus atone. You know, fucking who's the fourth 1976 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:02.159 member whose name I'm getting I'm such an asshole. Tuna 1977 01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:04.960 of course, Tuna as well, expired Tuna. Thank you so much. 1978 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:07.079 All the guys have been great, and we hit up 1979 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:11.760 Blasted Lands the other day on Ubiquitous's recommendation. He's like, boys, boys, boys, 1980 01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:13.880 when you get to level fifty two, you've got to 1981 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:16.800 go check out what they've done with Blasted Lands. It's wild. 1982 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:19.439 They've put in a new jinta, a lure, there's an 1983 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:23.079 outside dungeon. It's it's fucking there's quests everywhere. You've got 1984 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:26.079 to go see it. So we got the band together 1985 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:30.119 and we went and we did it. Now, just for 1986 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:33.239 all of you who have no idea what's there. You 1987 01:48:33.279 --> 01:48:35.159 haven't done it yet, you don't know what to expect. 1988 01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:36.079 You. 1989 01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:39.039 Biquitdis did warn us about this, but I'll just sort 1990 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:41.880 of warn you a little bit, maybe with a bit 1991 01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:46.079 more force. There is a little bit of time you'll 1992 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.880 be spending doing the prerequisites. And when I say a 1993 01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:50.800 little bit, I mean a fair bit, like we took 1994 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:56.279 about sixty to ninety minutes. Just you have to go 1995 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:59.680 there and do a few quests before you unlock all 1996 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:03.680 of the elite quest for the Outdoor Dungeon. Now, I'm 1997 01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:06.279 gonna tell this in a non spoilery fashion. I don't 1998 01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:08.840 think that's too spoilery, but just just be ready for that. 1999 01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:12.279 You don't get to just plug and play in Blasted Lands. 2000 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:13.960 You'll have to be in the zone for a little 2001 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:15.920 bit before you level up to get to where you 2002 01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:19.800 need to go. So we do our hour and fucking 2003 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:22.720 half doing this one quest that took forever, and eventually 2004 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:25.520 we get there and we go and do the Blasted Lands, 2005 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:30.520 and that's great. I will say that, you know, again, 2006 01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:35.279 without being spoilery. My one note on this area, which 2007 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:38.279 I did enjoy, I had a good time. I wouldn't 2008 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:40.279 say I had like an amazing time, but I had 2009 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:42.439 a very good time. I would give it like a 2010 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.319 I don't know, eight out of ten. I guess I 2011 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:47.319 think it's really cool. I think it's more fun than 2012 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:50.359 Jintha a law. To be honest with you, that the 2013 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:53.520 only thing that held it back, that subtracted a point 2014 01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:58.720 for me was mainly just the mob density. There's a 2015 01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:01.119 lot of respons as well, but you've got to have 2016 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.319 the respawns because you're eventually going to have the bulkhead 2017 01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.960 of the levelers get there and they're going to need 2018 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:10.760 all these mobs up and active to not only make 2019 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:12.960 it a challenge but also to be able to complete 2020 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.600 their quest. So I've got no I did have a 2021 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:17.800 drama with the respawn, but then the boys talked me 2022 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:19.640 off the ledge and said, no, Josh, that exists for 2023 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.000 a reason, and they're right, but the density is insane. 2024 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:25.600 Like again, these guys love a bit of mob density, 2025 01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:28.560 particularly with agro rangers and shit. You know, you walk by, 2026 01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:31.560 you walk by some things and you're like how You 2027 01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:33.720 just think to yourself, how the fuck did I agrow that? 2028 01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:36.520 And then you don't just agrow one. There's a lot 2029 01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:39.640 of instances of oh, mate, you pulled one. No, you 2030 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:43.439 pulled eight. He's all his friends from fucking twenty yards 2031 01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:45.399 to the left of him are coming as well, and 2032 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:48.279 it's they're not hard to down per se, but it's 2033 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:52.800 a little bit frustrating at times. Anyway, we go through 2034 01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:57.239 dead set like two hours or maybe more, maybe two 2035 01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.119 and a half hours or whatever of this dungeon, an 2036 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:03.279 outdoor dungeon, and we're not done. Ubi's right. It's a 2037 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:07.279 multiple troop effort. So we log off that day, we 2038 01:51:07.399 --> 01:51:09.399 log back on the next day and we go, well, boys, 2039 01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:11.640 we've got to finish it all off. We didn't do 2040 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:15.119 all this work for nothing. Yeah, yeah, cool, let's do it. 2041 01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:16.960 So we go back in on day two and we 2042 01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:20.520 get like the final quest, which is killed the Big 2043 01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:23.439 Bad Boss. And we go to kill the Big Bad 2044 01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:27.760 Boss and it's like the Big Bad Boss resides at 2045 01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:30.119 the top of the tallest tower at this section of 2046 01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:34.159 the zone. You go yet, cool. So we eventually identify 2047 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:38.079 the tower, we clear the mobs, and we start climbing 2048 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:41.520 the tower and we get to the top and this 2049 01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:45.239 boss is a proper boss, Like he's very chunky. You're 2050 01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:47.399 not just going to push him over. And it's a 2051 01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:50.680 proper fight. It's not a difficult fight. It's just a 2052 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.600 proper fight length lengthwise, and about ten percent of the 2053 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:59.039 way through the fight, it becomes really obvious ione sort 2054 01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:01.000 of tell you what he does. But you know, you're 2055 01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:04.640 in a very small space and this boss is doing 2056 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:08.239 proper mechanics and you're like fuck, You're a little bit like, oh, 2057 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.560 I'm getting hit, Like what do I do here? And 2058 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:15.159 so I thought, out of the corner of my eye, 2059 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:18.800 I've seen one of my fellow guilties. I think I've 2060 01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:22.560 seen Axelauhila sort of step off to the side, and 2061 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.920 again we're at the top of a tower, and I thought, oh, 2062 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.359 I think he's in the right position there to kind 2063 01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:30.880 of avoid this stuff. Maybe I'll try and do that. 2064 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:35.840 So I put my hero medal on and I turned 2065 01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:39.840 to my fellow adventurers and I said, fucking get behind me, boys, 2066 01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:42.600 I think I've found a way to do this. Here's 2067 01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:47.800 the metastrat and I've decided to leap to the very 2068 01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:51.199 edge of the balcony of the room so that i 2069 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.960 can just outrange this mechanic that's fucking me up, and 2070 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.720 I'll blast him from there. I'm such a gamer. And 2071 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:02.880 I've turned my car and I've done the massive jump 2072 01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:07.199 to just rest my feet on the lip of the edge, 2073 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:12.600 and I kept descending and I kept going down, and 2074 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:14.520 I've gone, oh no, boys, I've gone and done it. 2075 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.479 And I've fallen three floors down back to the bottom 2076 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:19.600 of the tower in the middle of this epic boss fight, 2077 01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:24.039 and the boys have gone, where did Josh just go? 2078 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:28.319 And I'll turn to Axel at this point, maybe it's 2079 01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:30.399 a good point to inject you and to say, what 2080 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:31.640 were you thinking in this moment? 2081 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:39.359 I have a think in this down motherfuck. So because 2082 01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:41.560 you were I had just done that jump and I 2083 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:43.039 didn't go all the way to the edge because he 2084 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:44.560 didn't need to go all the way to the edge. 2085 01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:46.119 You just need to go up onto the lip. 2086 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:52.479 That's right, That's right. So I've fallen to the bottom. 2087 01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:56.439 Now the biggest concern is, Okay, I've survived the fall. Somehow, 2088 01:53:57.880 --> 01:54:00.359 I've got very low health. I just need to climbed 2089 01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:04.560 the tower again and rejoin my you know, party members. 2090 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:08.720 But like, like I said, the mob density is insane 2091 01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:12.680 and I really just froze and went, oh my god, 2092 01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:15.680 have I pulled anything? Because if I've pulled anything, this 2093 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:21.000 is a wipe. And somehow, some way did not manage 2094 01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:24.640 to pull anything. And I've just sheepishly walked back up 2095 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:28.359 the spiral staircase, rejoined the fight when the boss was 2096 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:31.880 at like fifty percent and just hoped no one noticed 2097 01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:34.399 and gone sorry about that. But everyone noticed and we're 2098 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.880 all laughing about it. And that was one way to 2099 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:39.479 jump out a window and jitch you people during the 2100 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:43.199 middle of a reasonably tough fight. So I'll nominate myself 2101 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:45.680 for kangaroo court there and say I'm a fucking idiot. 2102 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:47.600 I'm the last one. The furthest thing from a gamer 2103 01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:49.840 that you can get that was a bit of fun. 2104 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:54.359 Ubi sentenced me, what do we got. 2105 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:59.800 Um straight to the gulag for me, straight to the. 2106 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:03.520 Girl Like yeah, Marcus, you agree, Marcs. 2107 01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:06.479 Mate, I think you are Yeah, I think to the 2108 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:09.279 gulag with you for that one. It's unforgivable. 2109 01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:11.520 Well, I mean a real gamer would have just stood 2110 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:13.239 in the AoE and eating it and been like, I 2111 01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:13.640 don't care. 2112 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:17.119 He is just that's right, Yeah, he was just so 2113 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:19.359 you were griefing his past by getting out of the AoE. 2114 01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:22.920 To be honest, oh, true, true, Sorry for sucking your past, Axel. 2115 01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:26.119 I was gonna say it's a healer. I'm more like 2116 01:55:26.560 --> 01:55:32.840 community service picked up some trash on the side of tars. 2117 01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:34.760 He's been on a bit of a hot streak of 2118 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:36.560 you just can't take this bloke anywhere. 2119 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:39.680 To be honest me, yeah, I've been all over the place. 2120 01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:43.880 It's been wonderful. But then yeah, I don't know, fucking 2121 01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:46.880 keep an eye on old fucking Josh's DPS and then 2122 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.279 talk to me, you've bastards. I'm doing all right, I'm 2123 01:55:49.279 --> 01:55:52.720 helping out when I'm not being an idiot. 2124 01:55:53.039 --> 01:55:56.760 But anyway, can I throw in an accusation that is 2125 01:55:56.800 --> 01:56:03.079 related to this. Yes, I want to accuse Ubiquitous of 2126 01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:06.840 overblowing and overhyping that outdoor area. 2127 01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:11.760 Oh, because I would like to criticize how you guys 2128 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:14.279 did it. To be honest, Oh my god, that's. 2129 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:16.640 Fair, but you were literally leading us. 2130 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:18.479 So then what. 2131 01:56:18.840 --> 01:56:21.960 Someone went AFK for fifteen minutes, then another person in 2132 01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:24.159 AFK for fifteen minutes, and I was like, I'm leaving, 2133 01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:27.359 and I just logged off without saying anything. Yeah, yo, 2134 01:56:27.479 --> 01:56:30.119 Cherfa was like, fuck this, these guys could climb this 2135 01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:34.279 mountain by themselves. Fair enough, he was, I'm glad to 2136 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.119 hear that you got it done, because I'd never heard 2137 01:56:36.119 --> 01:56:38.279 the ending of the story. I was like, I would 2138 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:42.560 rather vacuum than wait for people to come back from AFK. 2139 01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:46.279 No, no, we got it all done. I left one 2140 01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.359 quest undone, which was just a because I'm a fucking idiot, 2141 01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.760 I completely forgot didn't read it before we went in. 2142 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.319 I had to pick some things up in the Warlock 2143 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:57.399 tents that I completely forgot about, and it was like 2144 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.279 six and a half k experience, so little bit that 2145 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.600 I didn't finish them all off, but I did ninety 2146 01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:04.520 percent of them, and I'm happy with that, and we 2147 01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:07.439 left and we feel pretty good about you know, saying 2148 01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:10.279 that we very much so did the area, which is great, 2149 01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:14.920 but it's I still highly recommend, like highly highly recommend 2150 01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:17.479 in the same way that we recommended. You cannot skip 2151 01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:20.600 Whaling cabins, You cannot skip the new Deadminds and all 2152 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:25.119 that stuff. Do not skip this thing in the Blasted Lands. Guys. 2153 01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:27.920 Half the reason we're playing this fucking server, you could 2154 01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:29.600 say ninety nine percent of the reason we're playing this 2155 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:33.520 new server is for the new content. This is as 2156 01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:37.359 new as it gets. This is a completely new, redesigned 2157 01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:40.520 little portion of the Blasted Lands map. You have to 2158 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:42.720 go there and experience this, if you know, imagine if 2159 01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:44.600 someone tapped you on the shoulder and go, hey, mate, 2160 01:57:44.720 --> 01:57:46.039 do you want to go do gin through a law 2161 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:48.840 two point zero? You'd say, fuck, yeah, well go and 2162 01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:53.760 do it. Don't skip it, agreed, UBI must do. 2163 01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:55.920 Ah for sure. 2164 01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:59.880 Yeah, you're you're clowning yourself. And like, you know, this 2165 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:01.960 goes out to not that there's anyone in this guild 2166 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:04.960 doing but this just goes out again to all those 2167 01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:09.640 fucking loser majors AoE grinding their way to sixty like 2168 01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:14.479 you fucking just hopeless pieces of shit. Go out and 2169 01:58:14.560 --> 01:58:17.000 do the new fucking content like this, Like you just 2170 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:19.560 have to. Don't stop leveling the way you're used to. 2171 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:23.399 Go out and fucking smell the roses. Anyway, Yeah, on 2172 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:27.760 the charge of ubiquitous, I don't know. Jury's out. Maybe 2173 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:31.760 he's innocent, maybe he's guilty, but he's actually charging well, 2174 01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:34.439 he's charging you with overhyping at UBI. So Axel, you're 2175 01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:36.319 saying you didn't rate it that much. 2176 01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:39.800 I didn't rate it as high. But I think I'm 2177 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:45.439 also suffering because I stopped doing different new content than 2178 01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:48.600 I was very much enjoying, which I mentioned on you know, 2179 01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:53.000 Last Conversation and the Burning Steps. So I think I 2180 01:58:53.039 --> 01:58:55.880 was a little salty that first day. I definitely appreciated 2181 01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:57.960 it more once we finished it on the second one. 2182 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:01.640 But after that first day, it's like, we just spent 2183 01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:05.079 four fucking hours. We got almost none of these, don't 2184 01:59:05.119 --> 01:59:07.680 We got like a seven quests seventy percent of the 2185 01:59:07.720 --> 01:59:09.960 way done. We got to do it all over it. 2186 01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:15.960 Yeah, Yeah, it's it's quite the time commitment for sure. 2187 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:22.800 I like, guys, you need to put aside realistically, let's 2188 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:24.960 say for some fucking god, unknown reason you wanted to 2189 01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:27.279 do this all in one session. I don't recommend that, 2190 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.880 but like this, this whole thing took us. Like what 2191 01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:33.760 do you reckon five hours total in the end? 2192 01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:34.159 Axel? 2193 01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:38.800 Yeah, I mean it's it's tough to stay because, like, 2194 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:42.119 how much of that was just the prequesting? If we had. 2195 01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.199 Realized I'm including the prequesting. 2196 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:47.039 Oh yeah, have you including the prequesting? 2197 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:49.800 Probably six yeah, five to six hours. If you do 2198 01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:52.479 everything you need to do, including the prequesting, there you go. 2199 01:59:54.199 --> 01:59:55.800 But d Axel, what do you like? I said, I 2200 01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:59.239 still give it like a quite warm reception. Eight out 2201 01:59:59.239 --> 02:00:01.119 of ten. That's a good score. What would you give it? 2202 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:04.720 I'm probably more like a six point five seven? 2203 02:00:05.119 --> 02:00:06.880 All right, ub what do you rate it? 2204 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:08.920 Oh? 2205 02:00:09.359 --> 02:00:12.680 I was thinking it was an eight point five, and 2206 02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:14.680 I'm going to go down swing in that. There's a 2207 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:20.079 clear difference of experience due to use, err more than 2208 02:00:20.600 --> 02:00:21.319 content itself. 2209 02:00:21.680 --> 02:00:23.600 Oh my god, did it ain't? 2210 02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:26.399 It ain't took anywhere near fucking five hours for me? 2211 02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:33.439 I believe that, all right, we had someone that knew 2212 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:35.319 where everything was when oh. 2213 02:00:35.159 --> 02:00:39.119 Well that's different your piece of ship, well not everything. 2214 02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:43.159 He was one of you. He's like, I've been here, 2215 02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:45.479 this is my second time because my first group sucked. 2216 02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:49.000 So yeah, you need to try and find someone that's 2217 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:50.039 some of it. 2218 02:00:50.199 --> 02:00:53.119 Yeah, I do agree. Yeah, if you if you were 2219 02:00:53.199 --> 02:00:55.039 all new to it, Yeah, it's going to take you 2220 02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:56.840 a little bit. But it's so stupid because like the 2221 02:00:56.960 --> 02:01:00.800 area isn't that big. It's really not, but like it 2222 02:01:00.920 --> 02:01:04.960 is just a little bit confusing. All right, guys, let's 2223 02:01:05.039 --> 02:01:05.640 move on. 2224 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:09.279 To be fair. Yeah, the first time, I like treated 2225 02:01:09.319 --> 02:01:11.119 it like we were going into a dungeon, and I 2226 02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:13.960 like respect to resto, and you know, I was all 2227 02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:15.760 ready for it to be intense, and then I just 2228 02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:17.239 like was sitting there with my dick in my hands 2229 02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:19.399 most of the time. And the second time we just 2230 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:20.880 all fucked about instead. 2231 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:23.119 Yeah, I mean I wouldn't call it. 2232 02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:26.800 Start feeling the dps, started tanking, I got to do 2233 02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:29.279 more damage, and it was more fun when we were 2234 02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:31.680 all kind of like doing it so offtimally. 2235 02:01:31.960 --> 02:01:34.720 Yeah, I mean I don't think it's a push over 2236 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.159 difficulty wise, but it's not like a dungeon. 2237 02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:42.199 Yeah, it's not that hard. I think we took it 2238 02:01:42.199 --> 02:01:43.399 too seriously in the first day. 2239 02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:46.720 So guys, we'll move on to the next charge. And 2240 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:48.800 here's where I get to throw the book at someone else. 2241 02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:52.479 Now he's not here, but you be. You'm going to 2242 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:55.199 charge your mate Voodoo with the crime you ready for 2243 02:01:55.239 --> 02:01:55.640 this one? 2244 02:01:56.800 --> 02:01:58.439 Absolutely all right? 2245 02:01:58.600 --> 02:02:01.199 Voodoo probably guilty of a few crimes over the last 2246 02:02:01.199 --> 02:02:04.960 two weeks. Quite frankly, I'm actually getting together with him 2247 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:08.399 and Hunk to go watch the Queensland Reds play later 2248 02:02:08.479 --> 02:02:11.039 on the TSAVO in about four hours time, no six 2249 02:02:11.079 --> 02:02:13.560 hours time, so that'll be we'll have a beer and 2250 02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:17.119 I'll give him a fun little ribbing about this. But look, 2251 02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:20.439 sorry about all the discord notifications. By the way, guys, 2252 02:02:20.479 --> 02:02:22.119 I actually don't know how to turn that off. I'll 2253 02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:25.199 try and figure that out. But anyway, so just yesterday, 2254 02:02:25.439 --> 02:02:28.079 now this to be fair, I'm also guilty of a 2255 02:02:28.079 --> 02:02:31.920 crime within this story, and Axel will tell this well, 2256 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:36.760 I'll turn to him eventually. But Axel, Laz and I 2257 02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:40.119 are like, hey, how about BRD. Yeah cool, let's go 2258 02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:45.520 do it. And as we're saying this, our friend Marcus goes. 2259 02:02:46.520 --> 02:02:48.960 I charged Marcus with the light charge of winging and 2260 02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:52.840 bitching as he's like, I can't find a fucking party 2261 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:56.640 for SM library. Whoe is me? That's pretty much sounds 2262 02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:57.800 like you, right, Marcus? 2263 02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:04.760 No, how did I get wheeled into this? I was 2264 02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:07.600 told I was completely not at fault. 2265 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:11.600 I remember something along those lines of like nobody wants 2266 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:16.800 to play with me. I'm a big loser. Yeah, something 2267 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:17.159 like that. 2268 02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:22.840 Yeah, maybe I was pretty compromised. I guess it's kind 2269 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:25.039 of emotionally taxing to not be able to get an 2270 02:03:25.079 --> 02:03:26.000 SM library group. 2271 02:03:26.039 --> 02:03:30.000 You were vulnerable. I caught you in a moment of weakness. Yes, yeah, 2272 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:33.159 so Marcus is going a fuck. You know, there's not 2273 02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:36.439 that many people online within the guild within my level range, 2274 02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:39.359 can't really find a group. I'm struggling a bit here. 2275 02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:41.079 I just want to do a library run. And I'm like, well, 2276 02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:42.439 what do you want to do a library run for? 2277 02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:45.680 I mean, I said, do you want just the experience 2278 02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:47.840 or you're actually chasing like a quest item or what? 2279 02:03:47.920 --> 02:03:49.479 And he goes, I just want the quest item and 2280 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:53.239 I'm oh, mate, I'm level fifty four. I can fucking 2281 02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:55.640 blast you through an SM library on my lock. And 2282 02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:58.239 he's like that I'd be lovely. So I say to 2283 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:02.840 the boys, axel lads, boys, ten minutes, I just need 2284 02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:05.119 ten minutes to help old Marcus out here. Will be 2285 02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:07.800 in and out, no musks, no fuss, and then I'll 2286 02:04:07.800 --> 02:04:13.560 come to b Ird. Yeah cool, josh, no worries. It 2287 02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:16.760 suffice to say it was not quite ten minutes. So 2288 02:04:16.800 --> 02:04:20.279 we walk into sm and I start pulling and Marcus 2289 02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:22.359 is like, oh, thanks mate, you're quite the chum for 2290 02:04:22.439 --> 02:04:26.239 doing this for me. As I proceed to take a 2291 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:29.199 fairly long time to down all these mobs, and it 2292 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:32.560 became a little bit of a struggle, and I've said, 2293 02:04:32.560 --> 02:04:35.479 oh shit, we might actually need more help because it's 2294 02:04:35.520 --> 02:04:38.119 taken us ten minutes just to clear the first corridor. 2295 02:04:40.520 --> 02:04:45.600 And we plugged away, and eventually Voodoo I DM Voodoo 2296 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.760 and I go, mate, are you playing rust or are 2297 02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:50.000 you able to come help Marcus? And I just do 2298 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:52.880 a quick sm Library run to fucking get him his 2299 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:55.520 quest item. Yeah, no worries. I'll just make a coffee 2300 02:04:55.520 --> 02:04:56.159 and come online. 2301 02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:56.479 Great. 2302 02:04:56.720 --> 02:05:00.680 So then Voodoo arrives. Well actually sorry, no, So then 2303 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:05.479 Voodoo comes online and we go, yeah, no worries, Voodoo 2304 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:10.399 will be here soon. He's just in Augrama two minutes away, 2305 02:05:10.439 --> 02:05:11.640 and then we'll fucking blast it. 2306 02:05:11.760 --> 02:05:11.920 Yep. 2307 02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:16.159 Cool, No worries. So about two minutes goes by and 2308 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:19.239 I did see that Voodoo was in Augrama and then 2309 02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:25.680 I mouse over his nameplate, his unit frame, and I go, Voodoo, why, 2310 02:05:26.680 --> 02:05:29.520 why is the game telling me you're in bad Lands? 2311 02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:34.399 And he's like, what do you mean? And I go like, 2312 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:36.640 what do you what do you mean? Where are you? 2313 02:05:36.680 --> 02:05:38.640 What are you doing? And he's like, I'm on a 2314 02:05:38.720 --> 02:05:43.079 flight to fucking sm And I go, what. 2315 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:43.560 Do you mean? 2316 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:46.319 You're on a flight to SM from bad Lands? And 2317 02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:49.359 he's like, what do you mean? And I go, mate, 2318 02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:55.000 there is a fucking perfectly fine zeppelin slash portal from 2319 02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:58.319 Augrama to u se that you then jump on your 2320 02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:02.239 little horsey and ride straight here. And he goes, oh, 2321 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:06.720 oh yeah about that? I I he just forgot. He 2322 02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:09.800 didn't know, and so he's turned a two minute trip 2323 02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:16.199 into a ten minute trip. I was I was beside myself. 2324 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:20.439 I was blowing up going this bloke, this bloke who 2325 02:06:20.439 --> 02:06:23.880 didn't had never heard of the zone. As Shara doesn't 2326 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:27.760 know how to get from Orgrimad to Scarlet Monastery. I 2327 02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:31.520 charge him with fucking I think he's a flat earther 2328 02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:37.079 at this point, just no knowledge of geography. Do you 2329 02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:39.439 think this charge is the stays held up? Can we 2330 02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:41.159 can we sentence him Marcus or what? 2331 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:46.159 Look, I'm going to defend him because he was Yeah, 2332 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:49.079 you've thrown me under the bus here, I feel like 2333 02:06:49.159 --> 02:06:51.279 I need to save him, and like he gave me 2334 02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:56.000 another run as well. So he's successfully bribed me. Yeah, 2335 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:59.239 he's bribed the jury. And look, I'm gonna say that 2336 02:07:01.720 --> 02:07:08.000 his intentions completely, like his good intentions, completely outweigh any 2337 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.800 of the little misconducts he may have made. 2338 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:14.880 Okay, so you're going the mitigator. You you've given him 2339 02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:17.760 a character reference, and you're saying there are mitigating circumstances 2340 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:19.800 even though are you still I mean, I say I 2341 02:07:19.840 --> 02:07:23.239 can find him guilty, but you're saying the punishment should 2342 02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:25.560 be nil because he's a good guilty. 2343 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.920 Well, like the intentions were that pure that he shouldn't 2344 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:30.840 even be found guilty. 2345 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:33.560 To be honest, I'd look, I tend to agree. He 2346 02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:36.039 obviously was coming to help out friends, and here I 2347 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.399 am chewing him out for taking the long way there. 2348 02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.960 It's definitely not the first time he's done something like this. 2349 02:07:42.079 --> 02:07:46.640 It's definitely not you've have you experienced Voodoo's funny knowledge 2350 02:07:46.680 --> 02:07:48.319 of the globe of azarov. 2351 02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:52.279 Ah I am. I'm firmly in the camp of believing 2352 02:07:52.279 --> 02:07:54.880 that he's doing the intentional incompetence to get away with 2353 02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:57.359 more things than what he should because the amount of 2354 02:07:57.359 --> 02:08:00.279 times when we're leveling where it was like, just go 2355 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:02.840 to here, where's that? What do you mean it's the 2356 02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:06.800 main town? Where's that? We were there fifteen minutes ago. No, 2357 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:08.600 I don't know. I didn't get the flat path and 2358 02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:11.359 you just go There's no way. This is impossible. This 2359 02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:14.079 can't keep happening. So I think he's just taken us 2360 02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:16.560 all for a ride, to be honest with his own amusement. 2361 02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:18.640 I don't know. I'm at the point where I'm convinced 2362 02:08:18.680 --> 02:08:21.520 I could be like, you know, may just come join 2363 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:24.159 me in Eastern Kingdoms. There's an Eastern Kingdoms. 2364 02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:27.760 That is what he would be like for sure. 2365 02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:31.159 What's wild is is like he can commit to memory 2366 02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:35.479 within hours a fresh rust map that's right just been spawned, 2367 02:08:35.520 --> 02:08:38.279 but a map that's been around for twenty years. 2368 02:08:38.319 --> 02:08:42.600 No, no, hope, very good, very good. All right, those 2369 02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:45.640 are my two stories. Now I've encouraged you all to 2370 02:08:45.680 --> 02:08:48.560 try and think of something mildly entertaining while I've been 2371 02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:51.479 taking up the first twenty minutes of the pod. Is 2372 02:08:51.479 --> 02:08:53.479 any brave man going to step up and throw a 2373 02:08:53.520 --> 02:08:55.880 guilty under the bus with the charge at the Kangaroo coid? 2374 02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.000 Yes, all right, I've got one. It's he wrote, roaching 2375 02:09:01.039 --> 02:09:03.560 out on a guild run. 2376 02:09:04.079 --> 02:09:06.319 This is actually a serious one. This is a funny 2377 02:09:06.359 --> 02:09:08.199 but serious one as well, because I want to come 2378 02:09:08.279 --> 02:09:11.359 up with a legitimate punishment for this person, because this 2379 02:09:11.399 --> 02:09:15.680 one actually rankled me a little bit beyond the funny side. 2380 02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:18.079 I think this was actually pretty piss poor. Tell us 2381 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:22.199 the story, Markers and tell it with great drama and 2382 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:22.680 a plum. 2383 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:27.680 Well it was. It was just like just like any 2384 02:09:27.680 --> 02:09:30.079 other day. Really, there's some moreys, some guild runs going 2385 02:09:30.079 --> 02:09:32.039 into Countdown Guild, which is. 2386 02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:34.319 Se he was angry that day, my friends. 2387 02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:37.760 Yeah, which is you know, it's great. It's great to 2388 02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:42.920 see that. And a fine gentleman named Merk has asked 2389 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:48.399 if anyone would like to go to Noma. Well, I'm hoored. 2390 02:09:48.439 --> 02:09:50.359 I don't get to go there very much and I 2391 02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:52.640 haven't really experienced it too much, so I was so yeah, 2392 02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:56.920 I'll hear that. No worries and a rogue an undead rogue. 2393 02:09:57.520 --> 02:10:01.520 No less in guild has said, I will come as well. 2394 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:04.680 We get summoned and the dungeons. 2395 02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:06.359 You can throw the name out there. I think we're 2396 02:10:06.399 --> 02:10:07.279 allowed to do that. 2397 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:13.760 Schmiek is the name of the undead Rogue, and I 2398 02:10:13.880 --> 02:10:18.800 believe he is one of Ubiquitous's apprentices. If not in person, 2399 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:22.239 he has definitely read every piece of literature that Ubiquitous 2400 02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:25.640 has put out on being and embodying the undead Rogue. 2401 02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:28.600 Oh, I see, okay, disciple of Ubiquitous. Gotcha. It's like 2402 02:10:28.680 --> 02:10:30.760 being a It's like being what do they call the 2403 02:10:30.840 --> 02:10:32.239 Sith trainees. Gotcha? 2404 02:10:32.479 --> 02:10:35.880 Yes, even got the same haircut that Ubiquitous uses, you know, 2405 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:40.399 like the little gankin undead rogue spiky hair or the mohawk. 2406 02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:40.680 You know. 2407 02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:44.239 So off we go. If we go, we get to 2408 02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:48.399 summon the Alliance players, summon us. There was another Countdown 2409 02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:51.279 member there, throw was his name. 2410 02:10:51.239 --> 02:10:52.920 I think, and and Crudef. 2411 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:58.640 Crudef wasn't there. However, I did see Crudef's council later 2412 02:10:58.720 --> 02:10:59.760 on after the year. 2413 02:10:59.680 --> 02:11:01.920 Got so three out of five members of the party 2414 02:11:01.920 --> 02:11:03.239 Accountdown people. 2415 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:11.800 Four four including me. So there's me, there's Merk there's Schmiek, 2416 02:11:12.119 --> 02:11:16.960 and there's Throw and we picked up another warrior from 2417 02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:20.520 another guild who was a very nice person and didn't 2418 02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:24.159 deserve this shabby treatment. Let me tell you, we entered 2419 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:28.680 the dungeon and all things are going pretty well. I 2420 02:11:28.720 --> 02:11:31.079 flew a little bit close to the sun pressed like 2421 02:11:31.199 --> 02:11:34.560 my torn priest racial ability, which is a bit of 2422 02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:38.079 an AOI ability. I get beat up and die doesn't matter. 2423 02:11:38.520 --> 02:11:43.399 Thorrow is just off heeled, and everybody survived, and we 2424 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:49.239 kill one of the bosses. We're on our way to 2425 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:53.560 crowd Pamela and there's a there's a point in there 2426 02:11:53.560 --> 02:11:56.960 where there's a bit of a tricky pull and Merk 2427 02:11:57.079 --> 02:11:59.800 bless him, has overpulled and didn't realize there was a 2428 02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:03.800 well that frontal has just kind of killed everybody except 2429 02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:11.520 for Schmeek because he has pop Sprint jumped and vanished, 2430 02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:15.039 and then old Ford all of a sudden he's offline 2431 02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:17.680 and has left us hanging for fifteen minutes. 2432 02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:20.119 As you as you guys, what you wiped on that pool? 2433 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:20.800 Except for him? 2434 02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:25.760 We did. We did, except for Schneek, which is quite typical. 2435 02:12:25.800 --> 02:12:28.479 The rogue Press is vanish and I kind of just 2436 02:12:28.520 --> 02:12:31.239 figured he might go afk and have something, make some 2437 02:12:31.359 --> 02:12:33.760 toast or make a cup of coffee or whatever. But 2438 02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:36.760 he old Ford. That's my accusation is that he old Ford. 2439 02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:39.119 There was no accidental disconnect about this. 2440 02:12:39.119 --> 02:12:43.880 This was and he remained offline, never came back, and 2441 02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:47.079 probably the worst part of it as well, never said 2442 02:12:47.119 --> 02:12:49.399 a fucking word to any of you at the in 2443 02:12:49.479 --> 02:12:50.760 the moment or since. 2444 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:53.920 Yeah, even the next day. He's in guild chat. I 2445 02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:57.159 dropped a couple of subtle hints to the incident. His 2446 02:12:57.720 --> 02:13:02.039 guild note has been well made better, I'd say by 2447 02:13:02.239 --> 02:13:05.520 Krudef and myself, because I did see Crudev's counsel on this, 2448 02:13:05.640 --> 02:13:07.960 and he was one hundred percent this guy's roached on 2449 02:13:08.000 --> 02:13:11.800 you man like I believe your testimony, and he is 2450 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:14.199 a very reputable man. 2451 02:13:14.560 --> 02:13:18.680 The wise counsel exactly, the guild, the guild doctor, if you. 2452 02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:26.159 Will, yes, perhaps, yeah, he is our physic, he's our bones, yes, yeah, 2453 02:13:26.199 --> 02:13:30.359 he is our bones. And he's conducted some investigative techniques, 2454 02:13:30.399 --> 02:13:34.520 which is just He asked me what class this gentleman played, 2455 02:13:34.640 --> 02:13:38.279 and I informed him there was a rogue, and well 2456 02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:42.399 he prided a little deeper and asked, you know what 2457 02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:45.399 race is this rope? And I said, well, Dad, he said, 2458 02:13:45.399 --> 02:13:49.319 that's it. He's definitely done it. Undead rogue behavior, straight 2459 02:13:49.319 --> 02:13:50.359 out of the ubiquitous play, a. 2460 02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:56.960 Little bit little bit prejudicial, but that's okay. So so 2461 02:13:57.000 --> 02:13:59.760 what I'm getting at is when you brought it up 2462 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:02.279 guild chat the next day, what did you say and 2463 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:03.119 what was the reply? 2464 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:06.920 I was just like, it was a bit of an offhanded, 2465 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:11.199 you know, I don't ditch your mates type remark. Okay, 2466 02:14:11.239 --> 02:14:16.079 it was a quick just like you know, I didn't 2467 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:17.720 even direct it at him. I was just kind of 2468 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:21.920 hoping i'd get a you're sorry and I'm sorry type 2469 02:14:21.960 --> 02:14:27.279 thing and nothing. Crickets radio silence. Well, I don't really 2470 02:14:27.279 --> 02:14:29.319 have time for this guy. I know he roached, and 2471 02:14:29.359 --> 02:14:32.000 he's obviously he's surely he's looked at his guild note 2472 02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:34.199 and seen it. It's all in caps, like you can't 2473 02:14:34.239 --> 02:14:34.600 miss it. 2474 02:14:36.359 --> 02:14:36.640 Now. 2475 02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:40.800 I whispered, no, sorry, I whispered him today because I 2476 02:14:40.800 --> 02:14:45.880 saw he was online, and because I'm rather incensed by 2477 02:14:45.880 --> 02:14:48.159 this behavior. To be honest with you, all jokes aside, 2478 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:52.680 I think this is fucking dog shit. And I whispered 2479 02:14:52.760 --> 02:14:56.159 him today when he was in Thunderbluff, and I said, hey, mate, 2480 02:14:56.239 --> 02:14:59.840 are you in the countdown discord? Because I thought la 2481 02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:04.000 last sort of shot at, you know, redemption and having 2482 02:15:04.039 --> 02:15:05.800 a bit of fun with it, maybe get him in 2483 02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:09.920 on this call to answer for his crimes, right, And 2484 02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:13.039 he never replied to me. Now, look, he might have 2485 02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:15.560 been literally just that's what people do. They go AFK 2486 02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:18.640 and a capital city whatever. He was probably AFK whatever. 2487 02:15:19.199 --> 02:15:22.319 But I'm gonna hit him up again later because I've 2488 02:15:22.359 --> 02:15:25.560 got a funny feeling Crudef. Maybe I'm getting this wrong. 2489 02:15:25.560 --> 02:15:27.920 I feel like Crudef might have reached out to say 2490 02:15:27.960 --> 02:15:30.000 something as well and he got no reply. But maybe 2491 02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:33.239 I'm misremembering that. But I'm going to try and reach 2492 02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:36.960 out to him again later, and if I continue to 2493 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:40.880 get non replies, I'm actually seeking You know, I'm not 2494 02:15:40.920 --> 02:15:43.319 the guild master you, He's the guild master. Everyone knows that. 2495 02:15:43.600 --> 02:15:46.680 But I'm seeking counsel from all of you on this one. 2496 02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:51.720 I would actually be calling for the World of Warcraft 2497 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:54.359 death penalty on this one, being a potential g kick. 2498 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:57.880 I am in sensed by this behavior, and I'm happy 2499 02:15:57.880 --> 02:15:59.880 to be talked off the ledge, but I want to 2500 02:15:59.880 --> 02:16:02.560 hear from the Council of twelve, and he would you 2501 02:16:02.600 --> 02:16:03.520 guys have to say. 2502 02:16:04.119 --> 02:16:05.359 Well, I'm not going to talk to you of the 2503 02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.880 ledge he's on right now. 2504 02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:10.600 There's anything we want to do. 2505 02:16:11.239 --> 02:16:15.359 Yeah, I've tried to make him aware that he's currently 2506 02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:20.920 being slandered investigated, and he seems to show no interest 2507 02:16:21.000 --> 02:16:24.239 in defending himself, which may be in admittance of guilt, 2508 02:16:24.560 --> 02:16:28.680 or maybe he's just an undead rogue and doesn't care 2509 02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:29.880 about the opinions of sheep. 2510 02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:32.319 You know, well, he's been something he may have read 2511 02:16:32.360 --> 02:16:34.920 in your manifesto ubiquitous. 2512 02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:39.200 Well, I mean I enjoyed his tactical prowess to not 2513 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:41.319 wipe like the rest of you. So, as far as 2514 02:16:41.319 --> 02:16:43.440 I'm aware, he's just played well so far, I'd see 2515 02:16:43.479 --> 02:16:44.760 no issues any fair enough? 2516 02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:46.200 Are you whispering him now? 2517 02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:46.479 You be? 2518 02:16:46.600 --> 02:16:47.479 And he's not replying. 2519 02:16:48.520 --> 02:16:50.200 I just typed it in guild chat. 2520 02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:52.719 Okay, but he won't if he if he's they keep 2521 02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:54.760 bringing it up in guildchat, and if he doesn't say 2522 02:16:54.799 --> 02:16:57.959 anything and he doesn't reply to whispers, in my opinion, 2523 02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:01.600 he's fucking gone because on I'm and look, Schmiek, if 2524 02:17:01.639 --> 02:17:03.959 you'll listen to this and you want to come defend yourself. 2525 02:17:04.079 --> 02:17:05.840 As you can see, there's a slight amount of tongue 2526 02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:07.319 in cheek in this one. We're more than happy to 2527 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:09.959 hear from you. But this one just stinks to me 2528 02:17:10.440 --> 02:17:15.959 of and we started to slowly root this out. People 2529 02:17:16.159 --> 02:17:19.639 who are joining the guild who aren't actually really countdown 2530 02:17:19.639 --> 02:17:22.600 listeners or Countdown community members. They've just latched on because 2531 02:17:22.600 --> 02:17:25.239 they watched three minutes of a YouTube video and wanted 2532 02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:27.280 to fucking get involved with what they thought was a 2533 02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:30.600 big guild. It stinks to me a little bit of like, 2534 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:33.360 this guy's not a countdown bloke, He's just some fucking 2535 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:34.479 rando who's come along. 2536 02:17:36.479 --> 02:17:40.840 Yeah, he'd never really even said anything. He actually also 2537 02:17:40.879 --> 02:17:43.120 got an item in the run as well, which makes 2538 02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.959 his crimes far more heinous in my opinion. He got 2539 02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:52.799 a dagger from from Vile Vicious sorry, the elemental boss 2540 02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:56.000 of Poison Elemental Right, taxic Avendra, what. 2541 02:17:56.479 --> 02:17:58.440 About I want to hear from you other guys who 2542 02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:01.319 haven't we heard from anyone who hasn't spoken yet, Henry, 2543 02:18:01.399 --> 02:18:04.079 So I'll throw it to you. What what say you 2544 02:18:04.159 --> 02:18:07.040 in the in the punishment or department for this one? 2545 02:18:08.680 --> 02:18:12.639 Well, from the words of another undead rogue. 2546 02:18:13.079 --> 02:18:14.479 He has brought shame. 2547 02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:15.760 Upon all of us. 2548 02:18:17.079 --> 02:18:18.760 I tend to agree. 2549 02:18:19.959 --> 02:18:24.639 Yeah, And the thing is like, now, well, basically, no 2550 02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:26.959 one's going to invade me to to a dungeon run 2551 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:29.959 because everyone's going to think that I'm going to do 2552 02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:30.479 the same thing. 2553 02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:35.760 He's he's tainted you guys, Jack, then Vestige, what say 2554 02:18:35.799 --> 02:18:37.159 you in the punishment department? 2555 02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:40.920 He's a rogue. He is gone, He's. 2556 02:18:40.760 --> 02:18:45.600 Gone, the rogue slander. I love it. It's finally here gone, 2557 02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:52.639 says Jack Vestige. Banishment, banishment every so. I so my 2558 02:18:52.840 --> 02:18:57.040 suggestion of a gee kick is obviously not an outrageous one. 2559 02:18:58.639 --> 02:18:59.840 No, I don't think so. 2560 02:19:00.239 --> 02:19:00.719 Definitely. 2561 02:19:00.760 --> 02:19:02.680 No, you never wroach out on guilty. 2562 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:10.159 Absolutely, it's that you're broaching out on guilty's as exactly exactly. Well, 2563 02:19:10.200 --> 02:19:14.760 look is we'll give him one last opportunity because we 2564 02:19:14.840 --> 02:19:17.000 don't fuck around in counter. I was actually just saying 2565 02:19:17.040 --> 02:19:21.040 to the guys yesterday, this is in relation to everything. 2566 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:24.719 One of my biggest I'd love to hear from you 2567 02:19:24.719 --> 02:19:27.760 guys in general on this one, just as a half 2568 02:19:27.799 --> 02:19:31.360 serious asie. One of my biggest criticisms of guilds en 2569 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:35.120 Mass in World of Warcraft is. I respect that the 2570 02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:38.200 game is meant to be fun, and I also respect 2571 02:19:38.200 --> 02:19:41.239 that I get accused, justifiably so at times of having 2572 02:19:41.360 --> 02:19:43.520 no chill. Oh you take all this shit too seriously. 2573 02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:45.920 You're a really hard assed can't. You're a fucking piece 2574 02:19:45.920 --> 02:19:48.680 of shit. Just relaxed, bro, It's a game, hahaha. But 2575 02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:52.520 people say that often in relation to their behavior of 2576 02:19:52.559 --> 02:19:56.079 being dickheads. Like people want to log onto World of Warcraft, 2577 02:19:56.159 --> 02:19:58.959 and it's not that they want to necessarily escape and 2578 02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:02.280 just muck around with their gamers. They want to be cockheads. 2579 02:20:02.360 --> 02:20:04.760 And then when someone stands up to them being a 2580 02:20:04.799 --> 02:20:08.000 fucking certifiable cockhead, they try to call you out as 2581 02:20:08.040 --> 02:20:11.399 having no chill, which I greatly disagree with, but anyway, 2582 02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:15.840 I digress. What I'm getting at is I feel like 2583 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:22.280 guilds historically are very slow to pull the trigger on 2584 02:20:22.399 --> 02:20:27.040 g kicks. I think there's way too much bandwidth afforded 2585 02:20:27.079 --> 02:20:30.360 to fuck wits within guilds. And I get that again, 2586 02:20:30.479 --> 02:20:33.200 it is a game. It's not that serious. It's just 2587 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:36.799 a fucking group of random people. It's a guild whatever, 2588 02:20:36.879 --> 02:20:41.239 who cares. But like any semi serious, even semi serious 2589 02:20:41.319 --> 02:20:44.760 or hard or like proper guilds, I still find you 2590 02:20:44.879 --> 02:20:50.159 get like really notable moments of dick hetery that leadership 2591 02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:53.959 will really just sort of sit on because you could 2592 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:56.639 say that people are afraid of conflict and all that 2593 02:20:56.719 --> 02:20:59.120 kind of shit, like it's not that serious. Who gives 2594 02:20:59.159 --> 02:21:02.120 a shit, get over it. I'm the opposite. I'm like, 2595 02:21:02.159 --> 02:21:05.399 if I get a whiff of and I've said this, 2596 02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:08.120 like the rule of countdown is no fuck wits. If 2597 02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:11.040 I get a whiff of fuck with behavior, like, I'm like, 2598 02:21:11.239 --> 02:21:13.600 just just get rid of them. I don't know this guy, 2599 02:21:13.639 --> 02:21:16.120 what the fuck do I owe him? Like, just fuck 2600 02:21:16.200 --> 02:21:19.479 them off if they're ruining it for everyone else. How 2601 02:21:19.479 --> 02:21:22.159 do you guys feel about guilds in their attitudes or 2602 02:21:23.120 --> 02:21:25.399 lack of willingness to sort of pull the trigger on 2603 02:21:25.760 --> 02:21:26.440 kicking people. 2604 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:32.399 Yeah, it's usually like around guys that do work, you know, 2605 02:21:32.600 --> 02:21:36.760 like the good damage, great healers, good tanks or whatever. 2606 02:21:36.840 --> 02:21:38.520 Tanks are the ones that just get a pass with 2607 02:21:38.639 --> 02:21:44.559 being absolute fucking cuns. Something that I've experienced in my 2608 02:21:44.600 --> 02:21:47.280 twenty nineteen classic guild to be honest, actually the main 2609 02:21:47.319 --> 02:21:51.440 tank was an absolute jerk and just like made everyone's 2610 02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:55.399 experience bad. But he was the main tank, so there 2611 02:21:55.440 --> 02:21:56.559 was no way he was getting. 2612 02:21:56.360 --> 02:21:59.879 Kicked, right, any of the other guys got experience with this, 2613 02:22:00.120 --> 02:22:00.799 go for it? Who is that? 2614 02:22:01.680 --> 02:22:01.920 Yeah? 2615 02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:03.680 If you want a sure fire away of killing a 2616 02:22:03.719 --> 02:22:06.760 guild or having people just radlock leave a douchebag in, 2617 02:22:06.799 --> 02:22:07.879 you're in your run. 2618 02:22:08.559 --> 02:22:11.719 Yeah I agree? Do you do you agree? Yak? Have 2619 02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:14.879 you noticed over the years that leaderships, no matter what 2620 02:22:14.959 --> 02:22:18.479 guild you're in, are typically slow on acting on this 2621 02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:19.200 kind of stuff? 2622 02:22:20.719 --> 02:22:20.920 Oh? 2623 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:25.799 Absolutely, Like I've ran a couple of guilds since twenty 2624 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:31.280 nineteen Classic Launch, and like, like Hideous was saying, it's 2625 02:22:31.360 --> 02:22:35.559 it's hard to if you have somebody that's like a 2626 02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:38.319 main part of your raid, it's hard to call them 2627 02:22:38.360 --> 02:22:41.840 out on their bullshit because then you have to replace them, right, 2628 02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:48.159 and that's never easy. But if you don't, you know, 2629 02:22:50.200 --> 02:22:53.040 just take action, then you're gonna leave lose other people, 2630 02:22:53.079 --> 02:22:54.639 other people, your other friends. 2631 02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:55.200 So it's not. 2632 02:22:56.680 --> 02:22:58.959 It's better to just deal with it immediately. 2633 02:22:59.760 --> 02:23:00.000 Yeah. 2634 02:23:00.040 --> 02:23:03.799 Yeah, And that's what I've always found, is like, trust me, 2635 02:23:03.959 --> 02:23:06.920 like act quickly because it gets harder later on and 2636 02:23:06.959 --> 02:23:11.159 you'll regret it. But like my thing is, and this 2637 02:23:11.280 --> 02:23:14.000 is so easy for me to say, as you know, 2638 02:23:14.079 --> 02:23:17.120 a non raider, and you guys are fair to criticize 2639 02:23:17.120 --> 02:23:20.040 me for having my views sort of warped by the 2640 02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:22.000 fact that I don't play this game at a hyper 2641 02:23:22.040 --> 02:23:24.600 serious level or a passing level or anything like that. 2642 02:23:24.680 --> 02:23:29.159 But you know, I would always say, personally, it's vibes 2643 02:23:29.280 --> 02:23:31.920 over performance in a guild for me, like I want 2644 02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:34.760 to jump in that voice chat and feel good as 2645 02:23:34.760 --> 02:23:38.879 opposed to being surrounded by like just fucking weird cunts 2646 02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:42.079 who get off on being weird. Oh but they're a 2647 02:23:42.079 --> 02:23:44.680 good tank, Oh but they're a good healer, like I'd 2648 02:23:44.719 --> 02:23:47.200 rather have. I don't care if we're personally like not 2649 02:23:47.280 --> 02:23:50.600 clearing the content. I'd rather not clear the content and 2650 02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:52.520 have fun on the beers with the boys, like a 2651 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:56.600 round of golf, then play with the dickhead who's just gonna, 2652 02:23:56.760 --> 02:23:59.799 you know, be a cunt and belittle people, or not 2653 02:24:00.000 --> 02:24:03.120 apply to people and steal like you know, roach out 2654 02:24:03.159 --> 02:24:05.360 on people, or just just be a fuck wed in general, 2655 02:24:05.479 --> 02:24:08.200 like fucking who needs that anyway before I move on 2656 02:24:08.239 --> 02:24:09.799 anyone else on this one, before we move on. 2657 02:24:11.559 --> 02:24:14.399 It's just if it's. 2658 02:24:15.719 --> 02:24:19.040 Roaching out on Gillies is like ultimate dishonor right, like, 2659 02:24:19.079 --> 02:24:21.120 you just don't do that. But even if it wasn't 2660 02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:24.200 three other guildies in there with them, it makes the 2661 02:24:24.239 --> 02:24:27.920 guild as a whole look bad, right Like, Yeah, if 2662 02:24:27.959 --> 02:24:33.079 somebody sees somebody from Countdown get loot Ninja lout just 2663 02:24:33.319 --> 02:24:36.079 you know, roach out like you did, They're gonna look 2664 02:24:36.079 --> 02:24:39.280 at the whole guild is like, oh, well, they tolerate this, 2665 02:24:39.440 --> 02:24:41.680 so why would we invite any of them to run? 2666 02:24:42.000 --> 02:24:45.559 I agree, And look, there's there's a million valid reasons 2667 02:24:45.639 --> 02:24:51.399 for doing what Schmid did. You know we joke about 2668 02:24:51.399 --> 02:24:54.200 the like my cat's on fire, you know, alta for 2669 02:24:54.479 --> 02:24:56.799 all that kind of stuff, but like you never know 2670 02:24:56.840 --> 02:24:59.120 what's going on. I RL this is a really valid 2671 02:24:59.120 --> 02:25:01.440 excuse of like we play with people all the time. 2672 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:04.280 Fuck it happens to me. It's human. We all know 2673 02:25:04.520 --> 02:25:07.079 that things come up that you literally have to walk 2674 02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:08.799 away from the keyboard and be like, I don't care 2675 02:25:08.799 --> 02:25:10.479 if I'm in the middle of the dungeon. I've got 2676 02:25:10.479 --> 02:25:13.239 to go and do this thing right now. And that's fine. 2677 02:25:13.440 --> 02:25:17.639 Irl happens. That's totally cool. That the worst part for 2678 02:25:17.799 --> 02:25:22.239 me was the non explanation afterwards, where we know that 2679 02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:25.440 every single one of us, because we're normal, functioning, decent 2680 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:29.280 human beings, would reach out to those people, you know, 2681 02:25:29.440 --> 02:25:33.159 six twelve eighteen twenty four hours later and be like, fuck, man, 2682 02:25:33.239 --> 02:25:36.719 I am so sorry about the other day. Something came up. 2683 02:25:36.799 --> 02:25:39.319 I had to do, I had to get up and 2684 02:25:39.399 --> 02:25:42.399 address it. I am so sorry. Or good mate, no worries, 2685 02:25:42.479 --> 02:25:46.239 it happens whatever. Just that one little line of like 2686 02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:48.959 a social outreach is all it fucking takes, and you 2687 02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:51.680 get completely absolved of your crimes. No worries, mate, Yep, 2688 02:25:51.719 --> 02:25:54.200 all good, We don't care. Thank you for saying so. 2689 02:25:55.719 --> 02:25:58.040 When you get to the point where that reach out 2690 02:25:58.200 --> 02:26:01.600 never comes, and then on top of that, when the 2691 02:26:01.600 --> 02:26:04.120 guild starts to sort of tippy toe around it and 2692 02:26:04.200 --> 02:26:06.520 tongue in cheek bring it up in guild chat or 2693 02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:10.079 directly whisper you and you don't reply. Well, now you're 2694 02:26:10.079 --> 02:26:12.760 just looking like the fucking you know problem, you know 2695 02:26:12.760 --> 02:26:13.200 what I mean? 2696 02:26:14.760 --> 02:26:18.440 Yeah, like being a being a good player never justifies 2697 02:26:18.520 --> 02:26:19.200 bad behavior. 2698 02:26:21.280 --> 02:26:24.440 So yeah, look like I say, schmeek, you might be 2699 02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:26.399 listening to this guy and these guys are fucking out 2700 02:26:26.399 --> 02:26:28.719 of control. How serious are they taking this? Jesus I 2701 02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:30.879 had to run to the doctors like sorry, I quit 2702 02:26:30.920 --> 02:26:31.680 your fucking dungeon. 2703 02:26:31.719 --> 02:26:32.040 Boys. 2704 02:26:32.799 --> 02:26:35.760 But like I say, you talk to the people afterwards, 2705 02:26:35.799 --> 02:26:38.959 and quite frankly, like I say, I'm gonna whisper this guy, 2706 02:26:39.159 --> 02:26:40.920 even though I'm not the GM, I'm going to do 2707 02:26:40.920 --> 02:26:45.079 it on behalf of Ubiquitous, our fucking tyrant lord Ubiquitous. 2708 02:26:45.719 --> 02:26:49.479 I'm going to reach out and be like, hey, mate, um, 2709 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:53.959 you know, are you are you there? Like they just 2710 02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:55.959 want to figure out are you in the discord? Like 2711 02:26:56.079 --> 02:27:00.479 what's what's your go If he doesn't reply, geekik the spot, 2712 02:27:00.799 --> 02:27:03.360 I'm nine tenths of the way there. I don't want 2713 02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:05.280 to put up with this shit. I think it's it's 2714 02:27:05.280 --> 02:27:07.200 such a little thing, but it's such a big thing 2715 02:27:07.239 --> 02:27:07.479 to me. 2716 02:27:09.799 --> 02:27:10.000 Yeah. 2717 02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:13.440 Yeah, it's just five seconds of words. 2718 02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:18.639 Right absolutely, And this it sets the tone for if 2719 02:27:18.680 --> 02:27:20.559 you know, you've got to practice what you preach. If 2720 02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:23.159 we are the no fuck WIT's Guild, we then we 2721 02:27:23.399 --> 02:27:25.680 lay down the law and we're going to upset some 2722 02:27:25.719 --> 02:27:28.040 people along the way. And I've sort of again I'll 2723 02:27:28.040 --> 02:27:29.360 say I always do this like I was saying to 2724 02:27:29.399 --> 02:27:33.959 the boys yesterday, but like we're not we are a 2725 02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:38.040 group of gamers. But we're not the gamer guild, if 2726 02:27:38.079 --> 02:27:40.920 that makes sense. And when I say gamer, I use 2727 02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:44.760 that word in a very negative context. I've been very 2728 02:27:44.799 --> 02:27:49.280 critical of gamers, you know, lowercase G, upper case a 2729 02:27:49.639 --> 02:27:53.479 lowercase M, that kind of gamer over the years. I'm 2730 02:27:53.600 --> 02:27:55.959 very critical of gamers because I think that there's a 2731 02:27:56.040 --> 02:27:59.079 lot wrong with gaming and the people who game via 2732 02:27:59.319 --> 02:28:03.280 the social act that you see. But we are not 2733 02:28:03.520 --> 02:28:08.000 a gamer guild. We're not fucking weirdos. We don't, you know, 2734 02:28:08.159 --> 02:28:13.399 get awkward socially. We're all like pretty I'd use this term, 2735 02:28:13.559 --> 02:28:18.079 you know, how do I say this not to put 2736 02:28:18.079 --> 02:28:21.000 a label on the term normal and you know, it's 2737 02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:25.360 okay to be abnormal per se. But we are relatively 2738 02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:29.159 as close as you can get to normal people that 2739 02:28:29.239 --> 02:28:32.399 I know, Like, we talk the shit online all the time, 2740 02:28:32.479 --> 02:28:34.680 we hang out, we have beers, we do what we do. 2741 02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:37.600 But everyone's like, for my knowledge for the most part, 2742 02:28:37.879 --> 02:28:41.920 a relatively young, working professional families and all that shit. 2743 02:28:41.959 --> 02:28:46.000 We're all like relatively like minded people to congregate in countdown, 2744 02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:50.000 and we're not We're not the kind of gamers that 2745 02:28:50.040 --> 02:28:52.760 you might find in other guilds where things do get 2746 02:28:52.760 --> 02:28:55.440 a little bit more like the wild Wild West and 2747 02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:58.639 a little bit more weird and you know, wonky shit 2748 02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:02.079 being set in guild chat and funny behavior like we're 2749 02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:03.920 just not those people, and if you want to gain 2750 02:29:03.959 --> 02:29:08.159 with those people, you know we are going to upset you. 2751 02:29:08.200 --> 02:29:11.879 And people will say shit to countdown, like, oh, you 2752 02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:16.040 guys are up tight, you guys fucking have no chill. Yeah. Sorry, 2753 02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:19.239 If that's how your term having no chill, then we 2754 02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:21.639 are the no chill Guild. Sorry, we've got to pull 2755 02:29:21.760 --> 02:29:24.639 up our asses. That's just us. But where the fucking 2756 02:29:24.760 --> 02:29:27.040 normal guild in my mind? And I'm gonna, you know, 2757 02:29:28.120 --> 02:29:31.479 keep encouraging our Lord and Savior ubiquitous to you know, 2758 02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:32.840 push the guild in that direction. 2759 02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:38.600 I would like to point out that the kick hammer 2760 02:29:38.719 --> 02:29:43.399 has been exercised already. Anyone will continue to be used thoroughly. 2761 02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:45.079 What tell us a bit more about this? 2762 02:29:46.280 --> 02:29:49.360 Oh, just the great numbers purge has already begun. Yes, 2763 02:29:50.200 --> 02:29:55.559 if you're reaching, if you reach four between ten and 2764 02:29:55.600 --> 02:30:00.239 fourteen days without logging on straight to Gulag. If it's 2765 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:03.680 a character that doesn't have your alt tag in the 2766 02:30:04.120 --> 02:30:07.600 note and it reaches that straight to the Gulug, no 2767 02:30:07.719 --> 02:30:11.920 mercy because you can always just get reinvited back. But yes, 2768 02:30:12.000 --> 02:30:16.200 it's probably the first time I've ever actually kicked anyone 2769 02:30:16.200 --> 02:30:18.639 from guilds. But I mean, and it's predominantly people that 2770 02:30:18.680 --> 02:30:21.159 seem to have hit level eight and quit. Yeah, but still, 2771 02:30:21.760 --> 02:30:24.360 you know, it's a warmed up muscle and if it 2772 02:30:24.440 --> 02:30:25.719 needs use, it will be used. 2773 02:30:25.840 --> 02:30:27.440 I like it. I like it, and I was all, 2774 02:30:27.479 --> 02:30:29.120 I love that purge. The other day, I think we 2775 02:30:29.159 --> 02:30:31.879 got rid of about thirty five people who had either 2776 02:30:32.159 --> 02:30:34.159 just you know, dabbled with the game and decided it 2777 02:30:34.200 --> 02:30:36.879 wasn't for them, or alts that hadn't been logged on 2778 02:30:36.959 --> 02:30:39.120 too for a long time. But like Ubiquita says, guys like, 2779 02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:42.799 don't feel like you can't just get reinvited, And we 2780 02:30:42.840 --> 02:30:46.360 do understand. We already had one person say to us, hey, guys, 2781 02:30:46.399 --> 02:30:49.000 my mate like goes out to see for weeks at 2782 02:30:49.000 --> 02:30:51.239 a time, like, please don't kick his tune. He will 2783 02:30:51.280 --> 02:30:54.000 be back. That's totally fine. Just let us know. We'll 2784 02:30:54.000 --> 02:30:56.120 put a guild note on you. We won't kick you, 2785 02:30:56.440 --> 02:30:59.000 but we are going to be relatively ruthless with the 2786 02:30:59.040 --> 02:31:01.680 purge because we don't and we're not the guys that 2787 02:31:01.799 --> 02:31:04.719 get off on seeing that large number next to like, oh, 2788 02:31:04.840 --> 02:31:07.399 we've got three hundred people in the guild, mate, we'd 2789 02:31:07.479 --> 02:31:09.920 rather it be one hundred people that actively log on 2790 02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:13.360 than having six hundred and ninety people but fucking only 2791 02:31:13.600 --> 02:31:15.680 seven of them play, you know what I mean. So 2792 02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:19.520 we will keep up to date with that stuff. Now, 2793 02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:24.639 that's a good one. That's thank you for that that charge, Marcus. 2794 02:31:24.719 --> 02:31:27.680 I think we dealt with that appropriately, and we'll keep 2795 02:31:27.719 --> 02:31:31.479 the podcast updated with the results of that that allegation. 2796 02:31:32.200 --> 02:31:39.120 Does anyone else have any other stories for Kangaroo Court? Surely, 2797 02:31:39.479 --> 02:31:42.399 surely someone can throw someone under the bus. Fuck make 2798 02:31:42.440 --> 02:31:43.319 it up. I don't care. 2799 02:31:43.920 --> 02:31:49.600 I'm made half one, all right, Caz, it should be yours? Okay, 2800 02:31:49.840 --> 02:31:54.920 because a few days ago you were Lewelin and Teneris. Yes, 2801 02:31:55.159 --> 02:31:57.920 and it's one of those new quests and nobody knows 2802 02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:00.760 what to do or where to do this quest actually, 2803 02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:06.799 and it was I think you were looking for an 2804 02:32:06.840 --> 02:32:08.600 altar at the coast. 2805 02:32:08.680 --> 02:32:14.799 Oh yeah, you roll in gild cheat is. 2806 02:32:14.479 --> 02:32:15.799 Is this quest even working? 2807 02:32:16.000 --> 02:32:17.040 Is there even an altar? 2808 02:32:17.680 --> 02:32:22.879 And I pointed out to you that it's far north, yes, 2809 02:32:23.360 --> 02:32:26.559 And then you said, I don't know who it was. 2810 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:31.440 I know who it was. No, No, it was Gigantle. 2811 02:32:32.159 --> 02:32:37.200 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you said this fucker sent me 2812 02:32:37.559 --> 02:32:38.280 down the. 2813 02:32:38.159 --> 02:32:40.000 Coast and there wasn't even an altar. 2814 02:32:40.719 --> 02:32:42.120 And I see. 2815 02:32:41.879 --> 02:32:45.159 You running around all the coast, up and down and 2816 02:32:45.200 --> 02:32:46.040 not seeing anything. 2817 02:32:46.360 --> 02:32:47.520 It's just hilarious. 2818 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:51.000 I'm so glad you reminded me about this story. I 2819 02:32:51.040 --> 02:32:54.959 fucking forgot about this and this is okay, how do 2820 02:32:55.040 --> 02:32:58.399 I say this? Gigantur has been with the Countdown community 2821 02:32:58.440 --> 02:33:01.479 for years. He runs down and with us in epoch. 2822 02:33:01.959 --> 02:33:04.719 You know, he's he's a good player, he's a good hunter. 2823 02:33:05.920 --> 02:33:09.319 He is he loves Countdown. He gets randoms involved in 2824 02:33:09.360 --> 02:33:13.319 the show all the time. But he is he is 2825 02:33:13.639 --> 02:33:20.159 a moderation challenge. Not not for toxicity. Gigantaur is the 2826 02:33:20.159 --> 02:33:24.840 the opposite of toxic. But he's just he's he's a 2827 02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:28.239 challenge to deal with from an administrative level. And I 2828 02:33:28.280 --> 02:33:30.840 don't think well, not that he won't mind me saying this, 2829 02:33:30.920 --> 02:33:34.319 but he will know what I'm talking about because he 2830 02:33:34.399 --> 02:33:37.239 and I have have butted heads many times over the 2831 02:33:37.319 --> 02:33:41.399 years of just like trying to rain in what he 2832 02:33:41.600 --> 02:33:45.040 says at times in the discord, just for being off 2833 02:33:45.120 --> 02:33:50.040 on a fucking another planet at times, and also very 2834 02:33:50.200 --> 02:33:55.200 confidently saying blatantly incorrect shit. And I've taken him to task, 2835 02:33:55.639 --> 02:33:59.159 you know, many times over the years about this. Not 2836 02:33:59.200 --> 02:34:03.120 even wou related in the discord. So in the guild chat, 2837 02:34:03.280 --> 02:34:07.360 just like Cas says, he so confidently as I reach 2838 02:34:07.399 --> 02:34:10.000 out to the guild and go, has anyone done this 2839 02:34:10.120 --> 02:34:14.040 particular quest? Do you know where to go? I am 2840 02:34:14.200 --> 02:34:20.079 so lost. He's so confidently and definitively and he's gonna 2841 02:34:20.079 --> 02:34:23.120 see come on the show and be like, no, I said, 2842 02:34:23.159 --> 02:34:26.399 I think that doesn't count. That's not how it fucking works. 2843 02:34:27.559 --> 02:34:32.000 He replies in guilchat and goes and he didn't say 2844 02:34:32.040 --> 02:34:34.159 I think. I'm like ninety nine percent sure. He goes 2845 02:34:34.920 --> 02:34:39.399 down in the southwest, there is a guy in a hut. 2846 02:34:39.879 --> 02:34:42.159 That's where you go for that one. And I go, 2847 02:34:42.399 --> 02:34:45.600 thank you, and I run the five minutes down to 2848 02:34:45.680 --> 02:34:48.920 the southwest, and I knew, I knew the part of 2849 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:51.360 the beach that he was talking about, And in the 2850 02:34:51.360 --> 02:34:54.159 back of my head, I'm like, I just wasn't I 2851 02:34:54.239 --> 02:34:56.879 just there. I'm fairly certain I didn't see an altar. 2852 02:34:57.319 --> 02:35:02.760 But Gigantor has said, you know, he's the context within 2853 02:35:02.840 --> 02:35:05.399 which he has made this statement suggests that he has 2854 02:35:05.479 --> 02:35:08.760 done the quest and I've missed something. So I will 2855 02:35:08.799 --> 02:35:12.399 return back to that area. I hall asked back down 2856 02:35:12.440 --> 02:35:16.879 there nothing there. Then while I'm there, Kaz goes, yeah, 2857 02:35:16.879 --> 02:35:18.879 I did that one. It's on the north side of 2858 02:35:18.920 --> 02:35:22.239 the beach, five minutes in the literal polar opposite direction. 2859 02:35:23.680 --> 02:35:25.799 And so I run up to where Kaz has said 2860 02:35:26.000 --> 02:35:29.239 the altar is smack bang right there. I finished the quest. 2861 02:35:29.319 --> 02:35:32.000 I say thank you, Kaz, and then I turned to 2862 02:35:32.079 --> 02:35:35.799 Giganta and go, why the fuck did you answer my 2863 02:35:35.959 --> 02:35:39.000 question when you number one haven't done the quest and 2864 02:35:39.120 --> 02:35:41.760 number two have no fucking idea what you're talking about, 2865 02:35:42.479 --> 02:35:45.079 And of course Giganta just got the like, oh, you know, 2866 02:35:45.159 --> 02:35:47.920 I was just saying, I, you know, I think that's 2867 02:35:47.959 --> 02:35:50.959 where it could be because I was around that area earlier. 2868 02:35:51.000 --> 02:35:53.239 I just saw that NPC and thought that's what you 2869 02:35:53.280 --> 02:35:56.319 know could be. And I'm like, that's that's not how 2870 02:35:56.360 --> 02:35:59.399 shit works. When people ask for advice, don't don't get 2871 02:35:59.440 --> 02:36:03.079 in the realm of like, maybe it's this. I specifically said, 2872 02:36:03.079 --> 02:36:05.719 has anyone done this quest? And you haven't done it 2873 02:36:05.760 --> 02:36:07.920 and you don't know, so that's when you keep quiet. 2874 02:36:08.680 --> 02:36:14.280 But anyway, suffice to say, again, no chi coming out better. 2875 02:36:15.639 --> 02:36:18.959 To make you feel a little bit better. I ran 2876 02:36:19.479 --> 02:36:21.840 up and down the coast back three times and I 2877 02:36:21.879 --> 02:36:25.760 didn't see this fucking alter. So here you go. 2878 02:36:26.360 --> 02:36:30.520 That does make me feel better. But yeah, that's a 2879 02:36:30.719 --> 02:36:34.719 phenomenal charge for kangaroo court. Gigant Or, who I love 2880 02:36:34.799 --> 02:36:37.920 to death and yet is also somehow remains the bane 2881 02:36:37.920 --> 02:36:41.000 of my existence, is charged, and as far as I'm concerned, 2882 02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:45.879 found guilty of leading guilty's astray with shit he does 2883 02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:51.079 not know about. So don't don't just just be wary 2884 02:36:51.239 --> 02:36:56.000 when Gigantor throws the old advice out there, Gigantor, I 2885 02:36:56.040 --> 02:36:58.399 love you, come back on the show and defend yourself 2886 02:36:58.440 --> 02:37:01.840 by all means, boys, are we Are we going guilty 2887 02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:03.159 for that one? 2888 02:37:04.440 --> 02:37:08.360 Absolutely? Absolutely, that would have that would have sent me 2889 02:37:08.399 --> 02:37:09.319 off my fucking rock. 2890 02:37:09.799 --> 02:37:13.799 I went fucking nuts because it's not like it's not 2891 02:37:14.159 --> 02:37:16.280 it is nothing, you go, it was only five minutes 2892 02:37:16.280 --> 02:37:18.360 of travel time, but I'm like, it was a long 2893 02:37:18.440 --> 02:37:22.399 fucking walk, and I'm like, you're killing me. But anyway, 2894 02:37:23.120 --> 02:37:25.799 I digress seems to be harsh against the guilty. That's 2895 02:37:25.959 --> 02:37:29.399 years of years of backstory between me and Giganta or 2896 02:37:29.440 --> 02:37:34.000 behind the fire with that story. Sorry, Kaz, I do that. 2897 02:37:34.079 --> 02:37:37.000 I do that to people irl. Actually, so I'm not 2898 02:37:37.159 --> 02:37:37.959 much better. 2899 02:37:37.840 --> 02:37:41.879 Than if someone someone comes to ask me for directions 2900 02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:43.440 to this point at any direction. 2901 02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:45.920 No, you can't do that. 2902 02:37:46.079 --> 02:37:46.600 You can't. 2903 02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:49.520 Oh god, I. 2904 02:37:49.399 --> 02:37:51.559 Have no clue. I don't know. 2905 02:37:52.280 --> 02:37:53.920 I don't want to sound like an idiot, like. 2906 02:37:56.680 --> 02:37:58.959 But this is the thing. It's an epidemic of people 2907 02:37:59.000 --> 02:38:01.440 just answering question since they don't know the answer to, 2908 02:38:01.559 --> 02:38:04.719 but feeling socially awkward to the need to provide an answer. 2909 02:38:07.719 --> 02:38:09.840 Oh, I just want to help, exactly. 2910 02:38:10.000 --> 02:38:12.840 I just want to help. Oh my god. All right, 2911 02:38:12.879 --> 02:38:14.559 that was a good one. Thank you for letting me 2912 02:38:14.680 --> 02:38:21.000 vent there. Now, Uh is that about it? That's a 2913 02:38:21.040 --> 02:38:23.760 pretty good kangaroo court session. If anyone has anything else, 2914 02:38:23.840 --> 02:38:24.399 let me know. 2915 02:38:26.360 --> 02:38:27.440 I have a ticki tac one. 2916 02:38:27.520 --> 02:38:28.360 Yeah, go for it. 2917 02:38:30.040 --> 02:38:33.840 So I was in hinterland, just questing, killing some fish, 2918 02:38:34.120 --> 02:38:38.200 and Lushy from the Guild comes along waves in me. So, yeah, Hi, 2919 02:38:38.280 --> 02:38:40.639 how's it going. He's alliance. I'm horrid. Of course we 2920 02:38:40.680 --> 02:38:43.719 can do cross faction here. I'm nice enough and I 2921 02:38:43.760 --> 02:38:45.600 just quickly group with him so I can give him 2922 02:38:45.600 --> 02:38:48.079 some fort and divine spirit buff and he gives me 2923 02:38:48.120 --> 02:38:50.680 a blessing of wisdom, you know whatever. And he heads 2924 02:38:50.680 --> 02:38:53.159 off on his way and I keep killing fish. About 2925 02:38:53.360 --> 02:38:56.120 two minutes later, I all of a sudden get butt 2926 02:38:56.120 --> 02:39:00.000 fucked by a rogue and I'm like, hmmm, that's very interesting. 2927 02:39:00.200 --> 02:39:02.840 I didn't I didn't flag myself well by giving him 2928 02:39:02.879 --> 02:39:08.840 the buffs. I flagged myself. So I am upset that. 2929 02:39:08.799 --> 02:39:09.440 He was. 2930 02:39:10.959 --> 02:39:14.040 Flagged for PvP and me, being nice, got myself. 2931 02:39:14.200 --> 02:39:17.399 Uh oh, I see what you're saying. I I wo. 2932 02:39:17.799 --> 02:39:20.319 Let's get inside the mind of a killer here, I 2933 02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:22.959 reckon Lushy knew exactly what he was doing. 2934 02:39:26.399 --> 02:39:27.159 He did it with intent. 2935 02:39:27.440 --> 02:39:31.719 What a crafty premeditation like, I think that's accompliced to murder. 2936 02:39:33.600 --> 02:39:35.440 I'm pretty sure he was working with the rogue too. 2937 02:39:35.719 --> 02:39:36.520 I'm gonna go that far. 2938 02:39:36.920 --> 02:39:43.920 Lushy, Lushy, Lushy. It's brilliant, it's diabolical, it's machiavellian. I 2939 02:39:44.000 --> 02:39:47.399 fucking love it. But uh yeah, we'll have to get 2940 02:39:47.479 --> 02:39:50.000 Lushy on there to answer for that one. That could 2941 02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:53.079 be a bit of fun. What do you reckon on 2942 02:39:53.120 --> 02:39:53.680 that one you be. 2943 02:39:55.719 --> 02:39:58.639 Yeah, it seems like a bit of a sinister motives 2944 02:39:58.680 --> 02:40:01.520 going on there, for sure, very. 2945 02:40:01.360 --> 02:40:03.399 Good, but yeah, a lot of people are complaining, well 2946 02:40:03.399 --> 02:40:07.399 not complaining, but noticing that. Yes, guys, if like, be 2947 02:40:07.600 --> 02:40:11.520 careful who you know, buyer beware on the buffs. You know, 2948 02:40:11.559 --> 02:40:13.760 if you buff people who are flagged for PvP and 2949 02:40:13.799 --> 02:40:16.719 you are not, it will draw you into the equation. 2950 02:40:16.959 --> 02:40:19.000 So please, if you don't have war mode on, if 2951 02:40:19.000 --> 02:40:20.799 you don't have PvP on, you want to go about 2952 02:40:20.799 --> 02:40:24.399 your merry way, and you are a buff giver, then 2953 02:40:24.559 --> 02:40:28.239 just be aware of what you're doing. Luckily, as a warlock, 2954 02:40:28.559 --> 02:40:32.239 I don't have this issue, although even though everyone in 2955 02:40:32.280 --> 02:40:34.319 the guild will tell you that I'm a little bit 2956 02:40:34.399 --> 02:40:38.280 slow on the draw with the old unending Breath, I 2957 02:40:38.319 --> 02:40:40.600 do get them out eventually, and I have been giving 2958 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:43.760 them to randoms here and there, and I've definitely thrown 2959 02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:48.399 out unending breaths without checking the PvP status first, and 2960 02:40:48.440 --> 02:40:50.920 I've luckily dodged all the bullets to this point. But 2961 02:40:52.639 --> 02:40:55.600 I presume Unending Breath would flag you as well. It's 2962 02:40:55.639 --> 02:40:57.920 still a buff, it's got no reason not to flag you. 2963 02:40:57.959 --> 02:41:02.959 But it hasn't done it for me, so that's one. 2964 02:41:03.959 --> 02:41:06.760 But yeah, all right, guys, Well look let's let's wind 2965 02:41:06.840 --> 02:41:09.120 up Kangaroo Court there. I think that's a good session. 2966 02:41:10.399 --> 02:41:15.040 Let's talk a bit more about the game. I want 2967 02:41:15.040 --> 02:41:17.959 to just bring up something while I remember, because now 2968 02:41:18.000 --> 02:41:20.600 that we're getting into the business end of the game 2969 02:41:20.719 --> 02:41:23.239 for me, I know, ever, it's totally cool to be 2970 02:41:23.280 --> 02:41:25.799 whatever level you are, if you're fucking level eighteen, if 2971 02:41:25.840 --> 02:41:28.479 you're level thirty four, whatever, as long as you having fun. 2972 02:41:29.120 --> 02:41:31.959 But you know, most of us on the podcast are 2973 02:41:32.079 --> 02:41:34.760 getting towards the business end of the game now. I'm 2974 02:41:34.840 --> 02:41:38.079 just about to dig fifty five. UB's been sixty for 2975 02:41:38.120 --> 02:41:41.399 fucking eight years, you know, all my crews getting up 2976 02:41:41.440 --> 02:41:44.559 there in the mid to high fifties now, and we're 2977 02:41:44.559 --> 02:41:47.680 starting to you know, encroach on what could be considered 2978 02:41:47.719 --> 02:41:51.520 now endgame content. So by that, I mean, you know, 2979 02:41:51.600 --> 02:41:54.079 I took my first steps into BRD, which is great, 2980 02:41:54.200 --> 02:41:56.319 Like that's something you'll probably still be running at sixty. 2981 02:41:56.760 --> 02:41:59.440 Plan is eventually start doing your scholars you strats, all 2982 02:41:59.440 --> 02:42:03.479 that shit. And I got my first look at Epoch's 2983 02:42:03.479 --> 02:42:08.920 take on BRD, I you know, thoroughly enjoyed it. But 2984 02:42:09.000 --> 02:42:12.680 there were a couple of interesting notes, and I think, 2985 02:42:13.319 --> 02:42:15.319 you know, I went in and I believe I was 2986 02:42:15.479 --> 02:42:19.280 fifty two when we went in. I can't remember. Maybe 2987 02:42:19.319 --> 02:42:22.879 I digged fifty three in the dungeon in the early 2988 02:42:22.920 --> 02:42:25.399 outset of the dungeons, so everyone else was like fifty five, 2989 02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:28.680 fifty six. I'm fifty three. And we go through it 2990 02:42:28.719 --> 02:42:33.559 and we did everything up to and including the seven, 2991 02:42:34.319 --> 02:42:39.040 but we skipped Ambassador flame Lash and I'll tell you 2992 02:42:39.159 --> 02:42:43.840 why right now. So BRD was fun. It was you know, 2993 02:42:43.879 --> 02:42:47.200 there's you will see new things in the arena and everything. 2994 02:42:47.280 --> 02:42:49.559 You know, the same deal as all your other dungeons. 2995 02:42:49.600 --> 02:42:53.120 There's a few new mechanics here and there, nice fun 2996 02:42:53.159 --> 02:42:55.360 little challenge. I still think that Epoch. One of the 2997 02:42:55.360 --> 02:42:58.200 best things about this server is how well they have 2998 02:42:58.520 --> 02:43:03.920 fucking nailed like the perfect creamy center of dungeon difficulty. 2999 02:43:04.399 --> 02:43:10.159 It's it's not a cakewalk, but it's not dumb hard either. 3000 02:43:10.280 --> 02:43:13.799 It's just the bosses. As you get sort of more 3001 02:43:13.840 --> 02:43:16.840 towards the higher end of the game, the bosses, you know, 3002 02:43:16.920 --> 02:43:18.959 you have to sort of pay attention a little bit, 3003 02:43:19.000 --> 02:43:22.440 and it's good, you know, talk to people about Iranicus 3004 02:43:22.559 --> 02:43:24.959 in sunken temple and whatnot. But also we get to 3005 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:30.959 Ambassador flame lash, and I want to say, and I 3006 02:43:30.959 --> 02:43:32.719 want to know if you guys agree, you BEI curllous 3007 02:43:32.879 --> 02:43:36.399 you mainly will solaly probably be chiming in on this one. 3008 02:43:37.000 --> 02:43:41.319 I want to say it's bugged because I won't go spoilery. 3009 02:43:41.399 --> 02:43:43.680 We're not going to fully detail what this boss does. 3010 02:43:43.840 --> 02:43:47.319 But all the way I'll put it is a mechanic 3011 02:43:47.440 --> 02:43:51.360 is engaged when he gets to about seventy five percent health, 3012 02:43:52.280 --> 02:43:57.200 and the problem is you do the thing that you 3013 02:43:57.680 --> 02:44:02.879 would ordinarily presume stops this or turns off this mechanic. 3014 02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:06.959 We know, you know, boss kind of pauses, he engages 3015 02:44:07.040 --> 02:44:10.040 some kind of mechanic, and then you see something else 3016 02:44:10.120 --> 02:44:13.360 to do. You go and do the other thing, which 3017 02:44:13.399 --> 02:44:17.280 you then presume presses the button that re engages the boss, 3018 02:44:17.559 --> 02:44:19.799 turns off his mechanic, and you go back to business 3019 02:44:19.840 --> 02:44:23.520 as usual, downing the boss. The boss never turns off 3020 02:44:23.600 --> 02:44:26.600 his mechanic once you do the other thing. So I 3021 02:44:26.799 --> 02:44:31.680 say he's bugged it. Basically, I'll just say it. 3022 02:44:33.760 --> 02:44:36.440 The dee buff that he had on him said, like, 3023 02:44:36.959 --> 02:44:40.200 this is going to continue while the ads are up. 3024 02:44:40.479 --> 02:44:42.120 Yes, Yeah, exactly how. 3025 02:44:42.159 --> 02:44:43.879 We're gone, and he was still doing it. 3026 02:44:44.000 --> 02:44:46.719 Yes, so he brings in some ads and I guess 3027 02:44:46.719 --> 02:44:50.360 I'm not going to spoilery, but like he becomes immune 3028 02:44:50.399 --> 02:44:55.319 to magic and he brings up some ads. So I 3029 02:44:55.479 --> 02:44:59.600 refuse to believe that it was the designer's intent to 3030 02:44:59.760 --> 02:45:04.079 have this boss remain magically immune for the last three 3031 02:45:04.159 --> 02:45:07.879 quarters of the fight. It literally makes no sense. 3032 02:45:08.399 --> 02:45:11.440 Well also, it was literally bugged to the point where 3033 02:45:11.559 --> 02:45:14.319 the one other spoiler is that he deals in AOI 3034 02:45:14.840 --> 02:45:16.840 like a constant pulsing AOI damage that. 3035 02:45:16.959 --> 02:45:18.840 Fuck it, fuck it, let's just tell them everything at 3036 02:45:18.840 --> 02:45:19.200 this point. 3037 02:45:19.559 --> 02:45:22.239 Well, I just it's important because when we when we 3038 02:45:22.319 --> 02:45:24.959 came back after dying, we weren't even in the boss 3039 02:45:25.040 --> 02:45:28.360 room and it was still hitting them. Yes, like we 3040 02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:33.319 teleported two like you know, a little ways away, like 3041 02:45:33.760 --> 02:45:36.280 not certainly not within range, and then we all died 3042 02:45:36.360 --> 02:45:39.000 again without even gaining on anything. 3043 02:45:39.280 --> 02:45:42.600 It's definitely well at this point, like we might as 3044 02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:45.000 well discuss it with Like, guys, if you don't want 3045 02:45:45.000 --> 02:45:48.120 to hear about this boss, you know, skip forward two, three, four, 3046 02:45:48.280 --> 02:45:51.680 five minutes in the podcast. We've we've said the cats 3047 02:45:51.680 --> 02:45:55.000 out of the back. Now we've said, that's okay, that's like, 3048 02:45:55.079 --> 02:45:58.120 it's not the biggest deal. Let's just discuss the boss 3049 02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:01.280 fight boss fight then, because I actually think without the 3050 02:46:01.319 --> 02:46:04.719 barg this would be the example that I'm plucking from 3051 02:46:04.719 --> 02:46:07.799 this dungeon and really singing from the rooftops about like, 3052 02:46:07.879 --> 02:46:11.479 I love this encounter. I love the way they have 3053 02:46:11.639 --> 02:46:16.799 changed this encounter. It's very smart. It's simple changes but effective. 3054 02:46:17.239 --> 02:46:21.799 It is very appropriately difficult, and I'm living in the 3055 02:46:21.879 --> 02:46:24.360 hypothetical worlds where okay, so here's what happened. 3056 02:46:24.399 --> 02:46:24.639 Guys. 3057 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:29.040 You go in, you fight him normally, okay, cool, whatever. 3058 02:46:29.520 --> 02:46:32.319 He gets down to seventy five percent health. He now 3059 02:46:32.399 --> 02:46:37.120 summons two big bad file fire elemental elites like your 3060 02:46:37.120 --> 02:46:44.120 flame guards, right, cool, whatever. You He then pulses this 3061 02:46:44.239 --> 02:46:48.719 AoE damage and he will continue to pulse it rather quickly. 3062 02:46:49.479 --> 02:46:52.680 It's a DPS race. You've got it down these two mobs. 3063 02:46:52.920 --> 02:46:55.399 Then you presume when you down the two ads, his 3064 02:46:55.600 --> 02:47:01.319 magical immunity will go away. He's not physical immune, he's 3065 02:47:01.360 --> 02:47:04.879 just magically immune while he's you know, pulsing this AoE 3066 02:47:04.959 --> 02:47:09.239 and you need to kill the ads. So we on 3067 02:47:09.319 --> 02:47:11.479 the second we wiped the first attempt because we were 3068 02:47:11.520 --> 02:47:15.520 working it out. The second attempt banish one of the 3069 02:47:15.799 --> 02:47:18.319 fire elementals, which I eventually was able to do a 3070 02:47:18.360 --> 02:47:21.360 little bit of a targeting snafoo there, which other players 3071 02:47:21.399 --> 02:47:24.040 have noticed as well, is weird at times. Get the 3072 02:47:24.040 --> 02:47:27.639 banish off, then we down one mob, then we down 3073 02:47:27.680 --> 02:47:30.760 the second mob, and back to the boss. Problem is 3074 02:47:31.600 --> 02:47:34.719 he doesn't then shift into his next phase. He doesn't 3075 02:47:34.760 --> 02:47:38.000 drop the magical immunity. He just stands there forever and 3076 02:47:38.040 --> 02:47:41.280 continues to pulse his AoE damage while only the physical 3077 02:47:41.280 --> 02:47:44.239 people can hit him. And we wiped a second time 3078 02:47:44.280 --> 02:47:46.120 because we had castes in the group and we just 3079 02:47:46.120 --> 02:47:48.520 couldn't do enough damage, and the Healer runs out of 3080 02:47:48.559 --> 02:47:55.079 manna in the hypothetical world Axle, where you know, we 3081 02:47:55.239 --> 02:47:58.680 can imagine what this boss would feel like if it 3082 02:47:58.760 --> 02:48:01.520 were working. I think it's a ten out of ten 3083 02:48:01.600 --> 02:48:02.879 in council, do you agree. 3084 02:48:04.639 --> 02:48:07.479 I like the design, but the numbers around it are 3085 02:48:07.559 --> 02:48:11.200 just way off. It's so overtuned, and like, this is 3086 02:48:11.200 --> 02:48:15.280 my fourth attempt now on this dude, and like being 3087 02:48:15.319 --> 02:48:18.079 the Healer, I'm oom at him being at seventy five 3088 02:48:18.079 --> 02:48:18.760 percent health. 3089 02:48:18.920 --> 02:48:21.760 Oh okay, right, And and we. 3090 02:48:21.799 --> 02:48:24.040 Had our tank off healing, which is how we even 3091 02:48:24.079 --> 02:48:26.399 survived to that point. So yeah, then you know our 3092 02:48:26.559 --> 02:48:29.760 lads is a paladin and the element. You know, the 3093 02:48:29.840 --> 02:48:32.559 ads just have so much friggin health, so they take 3094 02:48:32.639 --> 02:48:37.120 forever to down. And you know, Sounami and the Guild 3095 02:48:37.159 --> 02:48:39.120 has told us that they've you know, she knows people 3096 02:48:39.120 --> 02:48:40.639 who have done it, but the only way they've done 3097 02:48:40.639 --> 02:48:44.319 it is by bringing pure physical you know comps that 3098 02:48:44.479 --> 02:48:49.040 just zerg him and focus him and just make it 3099 02:48:49.200 --> 02:48:52.559 a pure race. And I personally think that then makes 3100 02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:56.799 the counter way less fun. So I like the design 3101 02:48:56.840 --> 02:48:59.159 of it. As far as the mechanics go. It's just 3102 02:48:59.639 --> 02:49:02.399 the he needs to be taken down a notch and 3103 02:49:02.440 --> 02:49:05.239 the the ads. 3104 02:49:04.920 --> 02:49:07.079 Need to have That's fair enough, and we'll dive a 3105 02:49:07.120 --> 02:49:09.159 bit more into the numbers. I'll just say I've got 3106 02:49:09.200 --> 02:49:13.120 breaking news here on the side. Well, we've had another 3107 02:49:13.200 --> 02:49:15.399 I know we just ended the Kangaroo Court session, but 3108 02:49:15.440 --> 02:49:18.079 I've had another late charge submitted to the court and 3109 02:49:18.120 --> 02:49:23.399 filed with the Admin desk, and Lazarus has said Josh 3110 02:49:23.479 --> 02:49:26.319 I would like to bring Axel up on Kangaroo court 3111 02:49:26.399 --> 02:49:30.680 charges for spoiling the Ambassador flame lash encounter to the community. 3112 02:49:32.520 --> 02:49:37.479 That's a very fair. I have no real defense. 3113 02:49:37.600 --> 02:49:40.799 Guilty guilty, flame lash him. 3114 02:49:41.159 --> 02:49:44.920 All right, did you guys get to Magnus and stuff 3115 02:49:44.920 --> 02:49:48.639 then after that or did you not yesterday? 3116 02:49:48.799 --> 02:49:51.639 I've done it, and Las have done it previously. He 3117 02:49:51.799 --> 02:49:55.719 is also overtuned, but not as bad, not nearly as bad. 3118 02:49:56.440 --> 02:49:59.920 Okay, Yeah, I've been getting a lot of whispers in game, 3119 02:50:00.399 --> 02:50:02.479 like when people are forming groups, and there's lots of 3120 02:50:02.520 --> 02:50:05.440 BRD groups that are like, we're only taking level fifty 3121 02:50:05.479 --> 02:50:07.520 eighths and above because it's that much of a ball 3122 02:50:07.559 --> 02:50:08.799 lake towards the end. 3123 02:50:09.959 --> 02:50:13.840 Yeah, just that I really feel. Yeah, it does feel 3124 02:50:14.120 --> 02:50:17.319 like the first half is fine other than the flame marsh, 3125 02:50:17.360 --> 02:50:18.399 but the. 3126 02:50:18.159 --> 02:50:21.239 Back half let me throw let me throw this out. 3127 02:50:21.479 --> 02:50:23.799 And I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just 3128 02:50:23.959 --> 02:50:26.360 wondering if it's a possibility, and I want you to 3129 02:50:26.360 --> 02:50:29.639 shoot me down if you think I'm way off. Is 3130 02:50:29.680 --> 02:50:35.000 it potentially the case that the designer of this particular 3131 02:50:35.079 --> 02:50:39.520 one has gone, you know what? Fuck you all? The 3132 02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:43.760 back half of BID is fully intended for sixty plus, 3133 02:50:43.760 --> 02:50:45.920 for sixty plus, you know what I mean, level sixteen. 3134 02:50:46.920 --> 02:50:51.479 I was thinking about that, and I'm kind of warming 3135 02:50:51.559 --> 02:50:55.799 up to it to be honest, like it is arguably 3136 02:50:56.159 --> 02:51:00.200 the greatest dungeon in classic for just how much of 3137 02:51:00.200 --> 02:51:01.639 a fucking metropolis that it is. 3138 02:51:02.159 --> 02:51:05.879 And I don't know, I'm kind of I'm kind. 3139 02:51:05.719 --> 02:51:07.799 Of vibing with it that, like, yeah, Arena runs a 3140 02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:09.479 f your low fifties, and then if you want to 3141 02:51:09.520 --> 02:51:12.360 go clear into a Princess run, it's like a level 3142 02:51:12.399 --> 02:51:16.159 sixty dungeon. I don't really hate the idea, but nor. 3143 02:51:16.040 --> 02:51:19.479 Do I probably nor do I AXL. I want you 3144 02:51:19.520 --> 02:51:21.879 to sort of open your mind and think about this. 3145 02:51:21.959 --> 02:51:23.799 And I know it's hard to say, but if I 3146 02:51:23.799 --> 02:51:25.399 were to say to you, do you think if you 3147 02:51:25.440 --> 02:51:27.920 were sixty with decent blues, could you have done the 3148 02:51:27.959 --> 02:51:28.399 Flame Lash? 3149 02:51:28.440 --> 02:51:28.520 Ye? 3150 02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:33.360 I don't think we could have done Flame Last yeven 3151 02:51:33.399 --> 02:51:35.319 if we were sixty with our comp because they're too 3152 02:51:35.319 --> 02:51:41.159 magic heavy. I think, yeah, fair enough. If we're magnus. 3153 02:51:41.239 --> 02:51:43.280 I think if we were all like maybe fifty eight, 3154 02:51:44.719 --> 02:51:47.239 which I would say personally, that's where I would put it. 3155 02:51:47.239 --> 02:51:49.959 It's like, okay, you need to all have a be 3156 02:51:50.040 --> 02:51:53.200 at least fifty eight plus to like clear the back 3157 02:51:53.239 --> 02:51:55.680 half of BRD. I think that would make sense. I 3158 02:51:55.680 --> 02:51:58.559 think requiring it to be sixty when those first mobs 3159 02:51:58.559 --> 02:52:00.200 are like in their forties, a. 3160 02:52:00.239 --> 02:52:06.120 Little ridiculous, you're not on board, I'll chuck out the warning. 3161 02:52:06.159 --> 02:52:10.319 Then that level sixty dungeons have many things that require 3162 02:52:10.360 --> 02:52:13.639 you to have a balanced group entirely, Like if you 3163 02:52:13.879 --> 02:52:16.120 if you don't want to bring a spell caster and 3164 02:52:16.319 --> 02:52:19.479 physical DPS, then you're gonna hate most of level sixty. 3165 02:52:19.520 --> 02:52:20.639 Anyway, there you go. 3166 02:52:20.959 --> 02:52:24.920 There's there's straight up just pure immune mobs in say 3167 02:52:24.959 --> 02:52:28.639 scolo for example, where I've been the only person in 3168 02:52:28.680 --> 02:52:30.559 the entire party that can do a magic damage, so 3169 02:52:30.600 --> 02:52:33.399 I just have to solo to elites while the party watches. Yeah, 3170 02:52:33.600 --> 02:52:37.680 so stack taunt immune and everything like, I have to 3171 02:52:37.760 --> 02:52:40.479 kite them to kill these elites while the party to 3172 02:52:40.559 --> 02:52:41.200 stand around. 3173 02:52:41.399 --> 02:52:45.120 I'm into it. I'm into like forcing people into party balance. 3174 02:52:45.200 --> 02:52:46.479 I think that's kind of fun. 3175 02:52:47.719 --> 02:52:50.520 Yeah, I think it's like there's been heaps of things 3176 02:52:50.520 --> 02:52:52.520 in this version of the game where you go and 3177 02:52:52.559 --> 02:52:54.840 you go actually it's kind of cool. 3178 02:52:55.280 --> 02:52:56.000 Well, it's interesting. 3179 02:52:56.239 --> 02:52:56.680 It's different. 3180 02:52:56.799 --> 02:53:00.280 It's interesting on this one because I do understand people 3181 02:53:00.319 --> 02:53:02.120 who might be on the other side of the argument 3182 02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:06.200 going like fuck you like and people are like, how 3183 02:53:06.239 --> 02:53:08.079 do I put this. There are a lot of people 3184 02:53:08.079 --> 02:53:10.600 who dintalote who don't like to be told how to 3185 02:53:10.639 --> 02:53:14.360 play the game. Fuck you. If I want to stack warriors, 3186 02:53:14.440 --> 02:53:17.360 then the fucking game should let me stack warriors. Don't 3187 02:53:17.399 --> 02:53:20.639 you fucking tell me how to do my meta. That 3188 02:53:20.840 --> 02:53:24.600 is an opinion out there. Also, you could say, and 3189 02:53:24.639 --> 02:53:26.760 they may say this in bad faith, but you know 3190 02:53:26.879 --> 02:53:30.879 it is a potential good faith argument as well to say, 3191 02:53:30.600 --> 02:53:34.520 but seriously, what if all my friends are Malay and 3192 02:53:34.559 --> 02:53:37.159 now I have to break up my friends group because 3193 02:53:37.200 --> 02:53:39.079 the game is saying we need to be balanced. That's 3194 02:53:39.120 --> 02:53:43.719 fucking bullshit. Man. I I see where you're coming from, 3195 02:53:43.719 --> 02:53:46.879 but like, I'm still more on board with the game 3196 02:53:47.799 --> 02:53:53.040 sort of saying to you, like, hey, a major warlock, 3197 02:53:53.120 --> 02:53:55.319 a warrior, a palettin, and a rogue might be a 3198 02:53:55.319 --> 02:53:55.840 good idea. 3199 02:53:58.399 --> 02:54:02.760 Yeah, And I'm saying lot of If anything, it's a 3200 02:54:02.840 --> 02:54:06.120 very good excuse for you to say that I'm the caster. 3201 02:54:07.319 --> 02:54:10.680 I form my group without another caster DPS, and it's 3202 02:54:10.719 --> 02:54:13.600 no longer because you're a loot gobblin. It's because, like, no, 3203 02:54:13.639 --> 02:54:16.760 it's just better to have balance in parties now when 3204 02:54:16.799 --> 02:54:20.079 you do stuff. So every grip that I've been going 3205 02:54:20.120 --> 02:54:24.120 to has like a male like a shaman, because they're 3206 02:54:24.159 --> 02:54:27.239 like a hybrid. They can help with both one physical damage, 3207 02:54:27.280 --> 02:54:29.479 one cast of damage, and then obviously whatever healer and 3208 02:54:29.479 --> 02:54:32.879 tank you can get. So I think it's good. I 3209 02:54:32.959 --> 02:54:37.280 still would hate to see hard immune bosses, but I 3210 02:54:37.280 --> 02:54:39.440 don't mind it when it's just a couple of packs 3211 02:54:39.440 --> 02:54:41.760 in a dungeon that just chuck a curveball at you 3212 02:54:42.319 --> 02:54:43.920 so that you have to do things differently. 3213 02:54:44.959 --> 02:54:47.440 Yeah, I would say that the thing to be wary 3214 02:54:47.479 --> 02:54:51.000 of exactly is bosses because you know, you kind of 3215 02:54:51.280 --> 02:54:54.559 tanks are not plentiful, and so if you have a 3216 02:54:54.600 --> 02:54:57.680 magic immune tank, things, paladins just can't tank it. Now 3217 02:54:57.719 --> 02:55:00.120 you've lost a thirty your potential tanks and paladine are 3218 02:55:00.120 --> 02:55:03.280 probably more than a third of the tank options realistically, 3219 02:55:03.319 --> 02:55:08.079 just because of how heavily played they are. So I 3220 02:55:08.239 --> 02:55:13.479 just would be wary about taking it too far, you know. Yeah, 3221 02:55:13.520 --> 02:55:15.399 like going you need to make sure you have at 3222 02:55:15.479 --> 02:55:18.760 least one physical damage dealer and at least one magic 3223 02:55:18.799 --> 02:55:22.200 dealer in your group. That's fine, right if you're if 3224 02:55:22.200 --> 02:55:25.600 your hybrid shamans can kind of you know, assist in 3225 02:55:25.680 --> 02:55:28.479 either role and you can figure like, I don't mind 3226 02:55:28.559 --> 02:55:31.680 people having to figure out some janky ways to get through, 3227 02:55:33.559 --> 02:55:36.719 but I ultimately I've been big on play with your 3228 02:55:36.719 --> 02:55:40.680 friends this particular go around. That's probably why I've been 3229 02:55:40.680 --> 02:55:41.639 playing as much as I have. 3230 02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:43.559 I'd love to hear from all you other guys. I 3231 02:55:43.559 --> 02:55:46.600 want to know whether you I don't want the game 3232 02:55:46.719 --> 02:55:49.639 to tell me what to do, versus you know party 3233 02:55:49.680 --> 02:55:54.239 balance is good, you be equitous. I've been. I've been 3234 02:55:54.319 --> 02:56:00.399 accused rather rather vigorously in the old YouTube comments, and 3235 02:56:00.440 --> 02:56:03.479 you all know my thoughts on YouTube comments, but I've 3236 02:56:03.520 --> 02:56:09.559 been accused of apparently stacking the podcast with yes men 3237 02:56:10.000 --> 02:56:14.000 who were too afraid to disagree with my opinions on 3238 02:56:14.040 --> 02:56:18.440 this show, which I won't even bother addressing how laughable 3239 02:56:18.479 --> 02:56:21.479 I think that is. But you know, if you agree 3240 02:56:21.520 --> 02:56:24.319 with that, let me know you be. But also I 3241 02:56:24.440 --> 02:56:28.239 encouraged someone to fucking clap back at me and say, Josh, 3242 02:56:28.280 --> 02:56:31.760 you're wrong. Party balance is shit. I want to stack 3243 02:56:31.799 --> 02:56:36.000 four warriors in my in my scolo. 3244 02:56:37.440 --> 02:56:39.959 I think there's I think party balance is good, but 3245 02:56:40.120 --> 02:56:42.479 I think the way that's been described now is a 3246 02:56:42.520 --> 02:56:45.639 fucking shit way of doing it. Making people just stand 3247 02:56:45.680 --> 02:56:49.159 there twiddle their thumbs while a rogue kites things around 3248 02:56:49.239 --> 02:56:54.000 for five minutes killing it fucking sucks. That's poor poor design. 3249 02:56:55.680 --> 02:56:57.280 Probably figure out a different way to. 3250 02:56:57.200 --> 02:57:01.680 Do it that. It's the mobs I'm talking about turn 3251 02:57:01.840 --> 02:57:04.920 into a shade that becomes physically damage immune. So if 3252 02:57:04.959 --> 02:57:07.639 my groups weren't so fucking shit, they would have unlocked 3253 02:57:07.680 --> 02:57:09.079 it and we would blow it up as a team. 3254 02:57:09.479 --> 02:57:12.159 But no, the rogue doesn't cheap shot, the rogue doesn't kidney. 3255 02:57:12.600 --> 02:57:15.319 They just zug zug and then after like one second, 3256 02:57:15.360 --> 02:57:17.239 it turns into a physical immune mob that I have 3257 02:57:17.280 --> 02:57:17.639 to solo. 3258 02:57:18.559 --> 02:57:21.360 Have you ever been in a good group in your life? 3259 02:57:22.719 --> 02:57:26.000 Ah? Yes, I did have one fantastic dungeon the other day. 3260 02:57:26.040 --> 02:57:29.200 But no, it's just I'm telling you. I mean, we 3261 02:57:29.280 --> 02:57:32.719 predicted this. The quality of player on this server is 3262 02:57:33.159 --> 02:57:40.040 categorically below by a chunk then what official servers are. Yes, 3263 02:57:40.559 --> 02:57:44.159 I would agree, and it has shown the like. 3264 02:57:45.440 --> 02:57:48.200 Still it's better than I've expected. I had the bar 3265 02:57:48.319 --> 02:57:49.559 prep set pretty low. 3266 02:57:50.639 --> 02:57:54.399 Yeah, I think surprisingly a lot of the tanks have 3267 02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:57.639 been okay. But god damn man, these private server hunters, 3268 02:57:57.639 --> 02:57:59.959 they're bringing back two thousand and four in the worst way. 3269 02:58:00.120 --> 02:58:02.959 So they're the worst player all the time. Every time 3270 02:58:03.159 --> 02:58:07.239 the hunter is the worst. I just don't understand. So, 3271 02:58:08.959 --> 02:58:12.760 but I have had good runs, and I don't know. 3272 02:58:13.000 --> 02:58:15.879 I'm kind of doing this strange thing at sixty where 3273 02:58:15.959 --> 02:58:17.879 it's like when you go on holidays and you make 3274 02:58:17.920 --> 02:58:20.120 sure to do touristy shit all day so that you 3275 02:58:20.159 --> 02:58:22.319 feel validated to just go hit the local pub at 3276 02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:25.680 night and meet the locals. I'm doing quests in Western 3277 02:58:25.680 --> 02:58:28.559 Playglands at the moment to give shit gold and obviously 3278 02:58:28.600 --> 02:58:31.440 no XP because I'm sixty, just because it's a new 3279 02:58:31.520 --> 02:58:36.159 hub that I didn't realize existed when I leveled through it. Well, 3280 02:58:36.159 --> 02:58:40.680 I guess on that tangent, if you think Western Plaguelands 3281 02:58:40.760 --> 02:58:43.280 had nothing new, you need to go to the island 3282 02:58:43.319 --> 02:58:45.959 that scholar mancs on and that is actually the quest 3283 02:58:46.000 --> 02:58:48.760 hub for Western Playglands. Now I've come to learn. There 3284 02:58:48.760 --> 02:58:51.879 you go, so go out of your way to do it. 3285 02:58:51.879 --> 02:58:52.520 It's pretty good. 3286 02:58:52.680 --> 02:58:54.959 Let me just say, while I'm doing the sour grapes 3287 02:58:55.000 --> 02:58:58.879 thing and I bring it up, Marcus, I couldn't tell. Sorry, 3288 02:58:59.040 --> 02:59:02.159 you have to tell me. So were you disagreeing with 3289 02:59:02.319 --> 02:59:03.120 my take on this? 3290 02:59:05.360 --> 02:59:09.399 Disagreeing with how it's been executed. I wouldn't say I'm 3291 02:59:09.399 --> 02:59:10.559 disagreeing with your take. 3292 02:59:10.680 --> 02:59:13.399 I think it's because if you're disagreeing with me, I'll 3293 02:59:13.479 --> 02:59:15.799 kick you from the fucking discord. Never talk to you, man. 3294 02:59:16.159 --> 02:59:19.840 I think I'm a yes man, you know. Nah, But like, 3295 02:59:20.000 --> 02:59:23.280 I'm not disagreeing with the premise of what you're saying, 3296 02:59:23.319 --> 02:59:26.799 but the way it's been executed here seems like not 3297 02:59:26.920 --> 02:59:31.239 the best. Like that fight that you guys encountered yesterday 3298 02:59:31.239 --> 02:59:35.360 and you just discussed. Now, unless that's a bug, like 3299 02:59:35.440 --> 02:59:36.799 I'm going to be really disappointed. 3300 02:59:36.840 --> 02:59:39.360 Oh yeah, if it's not a bug, it would be ridiculous. 3301 02:59:39.360 --> 02:59:40.920 But yeah, so there's what we got for it. 3302 02:59:41.479 --> 02:59:44.360 We got sixteen it's a bug and it's overturn. 3303 02:59:44.559 --> 02:59:49.040 Yeah yeah, so yeah, sixteen people on the call, right. 3304 02:59:49.079 --> 02:59:53.840 Just like and spamming abilities to make things harder kind 3305 02:59:53.840 --> 02:59:57.479 of sucks as well as just cranking damage up kind 3306 02:59:57.479 --> 03:00:01.479 of sucks. Is like, make things technically more difficult, not 3307 03:00:01.680 --> 03:00:05.680 just this damage immune like this particular damage. 3308 03:00:06.319 --> 03:00:10.159 I'm the polar opposite. I love the spell spamming from MOBS. 3309 03:00:10.479 --> 03:00:12.000 I think it's fucking great. 3310 03:00:12.680 --> 03:00:15.360 Okay, we different spells. I'd be okay with it. But 3311 03:00:15.440 --> 03:00:19.000 the same fucking spell, like especially the super annoying ones 3312 03:00:19.079 --> 03:00:21.079 like snap kick or fucking something like that. 3313 03:00:21.760 --> 03:00:25.639 Yeah, that's what I mean. I just I'm literally fighting vultures. 3314 03:00:25.719 --> 03:00:27.200 Or I was like two minutes. 3315 03:00:26.959 --> 03:00:29.479 Ago that have the old knockdown. 3316 03:00:29.639 --> 03:00:32.760 Knockdown one and a half seconds stun, and I had 3317 03:00:32.799 --> 03:00:35.319 the little half a second of it. I haven't had 3318 03:00:35.360 --> 03:00:40.000 breakfast fucking tantrum. This is fucking bullshit. And then I went, ah, fine, 3319 03:00:40.000 --> 03:00:42.799 I'll you slow, I'll actually frosten over it. I'll blink 3320 03:00:42.840 --> 03:00:44.840 out of the fucking stun. Wow, look at me, I'm 3321 03:00:44.840 --> 03:00:47.360 pressing more than just fucking k blast to blow something up. 3322 03:00:47.559 --> 03:00:50.040 And then I was like grateful for the fucking experience 3323 03:00:50.079 --> 03:00:53.079 compared to every other mob I've killed this morning. I 3324 03:00:53.079 --> 03:00:55.920 don't know, I just like that they at least do something. 3325 03:00:56.520 --> 03:00:58.719 Yeah, I mean, I guess it's the easiest way to 3326 03:00:58.760 --> 03:01:01.200 do it, but it's also be the lamest way to 3327 03:01:01.239 --> 03:01:03.959 do it. They probably could have done it better, but 3328 03:01:04.000 --> 03:01:07.760 again it's there to have. 3329 03:01:08.120 --> 03:01:10.760 You want mobs to have rotations, well. 3330 03:01:10.559 --> 03:01:14.319 They probably could like rotate two abilities maybe instead of 3331 03:01:14.360 --> 03:01:17.639 just like knockdown knockdown, knockdown knockdown, just spammed every three 3332 03:01:17.680 --> 03:01:22.200 seconds seems just lazy, but I guess I understand it. 3333 03:01:22.760 --> 03:01:24.920 No, I'm with you, Marcus. I agree with you. I 3334 03:01:24.920 --> 03:01:28.159 think they could do more than one thing, and we 3335 03:01:28.239 --> 03:01:30.280 know these moments that have more than one ability. 3336 03:01:31.440 --> 03:01:34.559 Yeah, I've I've encountered plenty of mobs that have like 3337 03:01:34.840 --> 03:01:35.799 two or three abilities. 3338 03:01:35.920 --> 03:01:36.479 Yeah. 3339 03:01:36.159 --> 03:01:40.760 Yeah, the pummel and knockdown is a brutal combo. There's 3340 03:01:40.760 --> 03:01:41.920 been a few of them out in the world. 3341 03:01:42.319 --> 03:01:45.920 Yeah, yeah, I'm with I am with you, though, I've 3342 03:01:45.920 --> 03:01:49.000 been mostly happy with it, Like there's there's moments of frustration, 3343 03:01:49.200 --> 03:01:51.840 but I've been still mostly happy with it, like it's 3344 03:01:52.319 --> 03:01:55.440 it my my rage. I keep saying, my one rage 3345 03:01:55.479 --> 03:01:59.280 moment in silver Pine seems like a distant memory, and 3346 03:01:59.479 --> 03:02:03.159 everything difficulty wise with this game post silver Pine has 3347 03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:11.399 felt really good. Yeah, guys, let's talk a bit more 3348 03:02:11.600 --> 03:02:17.600 about some of the things you've seen that are new. Now. 3349 03:02:18.120 --> 03:02:21.280 I'm in Angorero at the moment, and I haven't actually 3350 03:02:21.319 --> 03:02:25.120 really seen that many new quests. The guys you'll say 3351 03:02:25.159 --> 03:02:27.479 they are there, and I've seen a few new ones, 3352 03:02:27.479 --> 03:02:30.719 but like nothing outrageous. So Ubi, I do accuse you 3353 03:02:30.920 --> 03:02:33.959 of hyping up Angoro a bit too much. I think 3354 03:02:34.000 --> 03:02:36.440 it's really mostly still the same thing. 3355 03:02:38.319 --> 03:02:38.600 I do. 3356 03:02:38.760 --> 03:02:39.879 Look, I'm going to. 3357 03:02:41.159 --> 03:02:43.520 I would like to defend myself. I didn't say they 3358 03:02:43.559 --> 03:02:45.959 added a whole bunch. They just added some cool shit 3359 03:02:46.079 --> 03:02:46.840 around the perimeter. 3360 03:02:46.959 --> 03:02:49.840 But you said Angro was your second favorite new like 3361 03:02:49.959 --> 03:02:50.920 second favorite zone. 3362 03:02:50.959 --> 03:02:57.040 Now second favorite might need to get a clip on that. 3363 03:02:58.280 --> 03:03:01.799 It was my It's already a good zone and then 3364 03:03:01.799 --> 03:03:04.559 they've just added the ten to fifteen percent on top. 3365 03:03:04.719 --> 03:03:10.120 So maybe interpreted incorrectly. Well I didn't. I didn't. I 3366 03:03:10.159 --> 03:03:13.239 didn't explain it properly. I just it's still one of 3367 03:03:13.280 --> 03:03:15.840 the best leveling zones. Is kind of what I'm meant. 3368 03:03:16.040 --> 03:03:18.000 Now there, and it met it even better for me. 3369 03:03:18.159 --> 03:03:19.799 The only thing I came. 3370 03:03:20.239 --> 03:03:23.559 In here earlier today, i've gotten almost two levels and I'm. 3371 03:03:23.440 --> 03:03:26.840 Not Yeah, but that's but that's Angora's always been good 3372 03:03:26.840 --> 03:03:27.120 at that. 3373 03:03:27.920 --> 03:03:32.120 I came in at fifty six, not like fair I've 3374 03:03:32.120 --> 03:03:33.760 done fifty yeah. 3375 03:03:33.399 --> 03:03:36.520 Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. I think the only 3376 03:03:36.680 --> 03:03:39.600 like notable cool new thing they added in Angorro was 3377 03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:41.719 just like, there's a reason to kill a devil saw 3378 03:03:41.799 --> 03:03:44.360 Now I don't know, and there's apparently what the like 3379 03:03:44.399 --> 03:03:47.280 you said like the Devil Saw mafia is fucking how 3380 03:03:47.280 --> 03:03:49.319 do you run a Devil Saw mafia? When there's a 3381 03:03:49.399 --> 03:03:50.639 quest for the mob. 3382 03:03:52.120 --> 03:03:54.840 They still just camp it and you have to beg 3383 03:03:54.959 --> 03:04:01.159 the uh usually broken English speaking, So that's guildless to 3384 03:04:01.440 --> 03:04:03.479 let you be in their party while they kill it 3385 03:04:03.520 --> 03:04:05.360 and then you get your quest and they get the skin. 3386 03:04:06.600 --> 03:04:07.120 Yeah, I mean. 3387 03:04:08.799 --> 03:04:12.079 I think his name was Vanilla g Yeah. I hope 3388 03:04:12.079 --> 03:04:12.760 he's still out there. 3389 03:04:13.840 --> 03:04:14.520 I've seen him. 3390 03:04:14.600 --> 03:04:18.239 He let anyone that asked, He let you in for free, 3391 03:04:18.559 --> 03:04:22.520 gave you the fucking gave you the kill tag or whatever, 3392 03:04:22.600 --> 03:04:24.799 and then off you go. And he was happy to 3393 03:04:24.840 --> 03:04:25.840 just help anyone that asked. 3394 03:04:25.959 --> 03:04:27.920 All right, he let me into. But then I've skilled 3395 03:04:27.920 --> 03:04:30.399 the devils, skin the devils right away. 3396 03:04:31.040 --> 03:04:31.799 You've made. 3397 03:04:34.200 --> 03:04:36.479 You have begun his villain arc and he's never gonna 3398 03:04:36.559 --> 03:04:37.719 let anyone do that question. 3399 03:04:37.920 --> 03:04:41.440 Yeah, you've made the list for sure. 3400 03:04:42.680 --> 03:04:44.120 This will be his origin story. 3401 03:04:44.239 --> 03:04:46.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was I gonna say. I'm off 3402 03:04:46.799 --> 03:04:49.680 to as Shara next, which I'm very excited for because 3403 03:04:49.719 --> 03:04:53.399 I presume they've done a lot with it, because we 3404 03:04:53.479 --> 03:04:56.040 always highlight as Shara as the one zone you could 3405 03:04:56.079 --> 03:04:58.680 do the most with. So maybe I'm setting the bar 3406 03:04:58.799 --> 03:04:59.760 too high in my mind. 3407 03:05:00.079 --> 03:05:06.799 I give as Shira a five out of ten. Oh, 3408 03:05:07.959 --> 03:05:10.520 the geography of the zone is still just such a 3409 03:05:10.520 --> 03:05:13.600 fucking torture. It makes it incredible sad to be in. 3410 03:05:13.840 --> 03:05:16.200 It's just plenty of new quests, but it's just the 3411 03:05:16.319 --> 03:05:18.799 shit geography. Unless they had a bunch of ways to 3412 03:05:18.799 --> 03:05:21.360 get to and from the shore like, which they didn't, 3413 03:05:22.120 --> 03:05:22.719 then it doesn't. 3414 03:05:22.799 --> 03:05:25.479 Yeah, well is there is? Just as I'm on these 3415 03:05:25.559 --> 03:05:27.479 last steps of my journey, Like I said, I'm about 3416 03:05:27.479 --> 03:05:30.959 to sing fifty five, you be where should I be 3417 03:05:31.040 --> 03:05:33.559 looking to go? If I'm trying to sniff out new content? 3418 03:05:33.680 --> 03:05:37.200 Like burning Steps will be one I was going to 3419 03:05:37.239 --> 03:05:37.559 go down. 3420 03:05:38.280 --> 03:05:41.680 You're selling me off it now I would now that 3421 03:05:41.959 --> 03:05:45.559 I am doing it literally this morning. I really recommend 3422 03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:49.319 if you're like fifty five, go to Western Plaguelands and 3423 03:05:49.399 --> 03:05:53.079 you go to the Scholarman's Island, And the whole gist 3424 03:05:53.120 --> 03:05:56.760 of it that I wasn't aware of is like you 3425 03:05:56.840 --> 03:05:58.399 go there, you get a quest and as I go, 3426 03:05:58.479 --> 03:06:00.959 talk to the students around the island, and then if 3427 03:06:00.959 --> 03:06:03.360 you actually be bothered to do that, I completely ignored it. 3428 03:06:05.319 --> 03:06:07.760 All of them become quest NPCs, like, now I'm twelve 3429 03:06:07.879 --> 03:06:10.319 quest into Western plague lands and it is the whole 3430 03:06:10.360 --> 03:06:14.760 school of scholarmnts like storyline kind of shit, right, and 3431 03:06:14.799 --> 03:06:17.799 it's sending you off to crips and the like, the 3432 03:06:17.840 --> 03:06:20.559 scarlet people up north, all that shit. So I think, 3433 03:06:20.959 --> 03:06:22.840 in my on my next character, if I came here 3434 03:06:22.840 --> 03:06:25.120 and did the bulwark. Plus, this island of this zone 3435 03:06:25.200 --> 03:06:26.440 is actually quite thorough now. 3436 03:06:26.920 --> 03:06:29.760 So maybe what I could do is finish up on 3437 03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:33.440 Goro B fifty five and a half, go to double 3438 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:37.159 you reckon fifty five for WPL. Yeah or is that 3439 03:06:37.200 --> 03:06:37.639 a little bit? 3440 03:06:37.959 --> 03:06:40.600 Yeah, that'd be perfect, Like everything here is fifty two 3441 03:06:40.600 --> 03:06:41.200 to fifty five. 3442 03:06:41.319 --> 03:06:45.479 Okay, so do WPL. Then let's say I finished WPL 3443 03:06:45.559 --> 03:06:51.680 at fifty seven. What would you recommend next content? 3444 03:06:53.959 --> 03:06:55.719 Oh yeah, Bernie Steps or Windo Grass. 3445 03:06:55.799 --> 03:06:58.879 Both of them have yeah renovated, So those if I 3446 03:06:59.079 --> 03:07:02.120 just yeah wp L winter Grass burning Steps should get 3447 03:07:02.120 --> 03:07:03.399 me from fifty five to sixty. 3448 03:07:04.360 --> 03:07:07.479 Yeah, easily. I think Winter Grass was probably going to 3449 03:07:07.520 --> 03:07:09.440 come out as my favorite zone so far. 3450 03:07:10.040 --> 03:07:11.879 Winter sorry, winter Spring again? 3451 03:07:11.920 --> 03:07:12.920 Can we go on to the north end? 3452 03:07:13.000 --> 03:07:14.399 Yeah? 3453 03:07:13.239 --> 03:07:15.000 Winter Spring? 3454 03:07:15.079 --> 03:07:19.120 Yeah, my bad? Very good? All right, Well I'll do 3455 03:07:19.239 --> 03:07:21.200 that I'll fuck as Shara off, which is a bit 3456 03:07:21.239 --> 03:07:24.360 of a shame, and I'll go see this other stuff 3457 03:07:24.360 --> 03:07:26.559 because the scholar mans thing does sound cool to me. 3458 03:07:27.719 --> 03:07:30.479 I still won't touch EPL with a ten foot pole 3459 03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:32.040 because I fucking hate that zone. 3460 03:07:32.719 --> 03:07:36.399 I yeah, I wouldn't. I mean again, maybe I've done 3461 03:07:36.440 --> 03:07:40.079 it wrong, but it's just I didn't really see anything 3462 03:07:40.120 --> 03:07:42.959 that new or enticing in Eastern Playlands for leveling, Like 3463 03:07:43.000 --> 03:07:45.159 I'm I'm never going to take another character there. 3464 03:07:45.319 --> 03:07:48.440 Yeah, fair enough. Tell us a bit more about what 3465 03:07:48.479 --> 03:07:51.280 you've seen UBI in terms of you know you've done 3466 03:07:51.360 --> 03:07:53.639 your scholars I don't know if you've done as Strat. 3467 03:07:54.040 --> 03:07:56.840 Talk to us about these level sixty dungeons without giving 3468 03:07:56.879 --> 03:07:59.120 too much away and just your initial thoughts. 3469 03:08:01.319 --> 03:08:04.399 I think they've done really, really well. I like every 3470 03:08:04.440 --> 03:08:07.680 single dungeon that I've done. I like doing them. I've 3471 03:08:07.719 --> 03:08:11.639 done like three or four Scholars. I've done Strath on 3472 03:08:11.719 --> 03:08:16.040 Dead Strath Live. I did Ubers last night that was 3473 03:08:16.079 --> 03:08:22.159 really cool, done Lowers with all with new ship. Yep, 3474 03:08:22.200 --> 03:08:25.840 there's new. Well, the bosses do new stuff that is 3475 03:08:25.879 --> 03:08:29.079 actually relevant, Like we wiped four times on the last 3476 03:08:29.120 --> 03:08:31.760 boss of Ubers and it's a five man dungeon now, 3477 03:08:31.760 --> 03:08:34.280 so that's kind of cool, but and it was still 3478 03:08:34.319 --> 03:08:38.520 only it was an our twenty minutes run, and like 3479 03:08:38.600 --> 03:08:40.479 twenty minutes of that was running back because it's a 3480 03:08:40.520 --> 03:08:42.159 fucking prick of a run to get back to that 3481 03:08:42.239 --> 03:08:42.760 last room. 3482 03:08:42.879 --> 03:08:43.120 Yep. 3483 03:08:43.959 --> 03:08:46.680 But all the bosses just have abilities that make you 3484 03:08:46.719 --> 03:08:49.120 fucking play the game. It's just nice. It's nice to 3485 03:08:49.159 --> 03:08:52.319 not just pull the boss and press one button for 3486 03:08:52.319 --> 03:08:54.479 forty five seconds and it falls over, and like the 3487 03:08:54.920 --> 03:08:59.280 it I'm actually the most envious of healers because they 3488 03:08:59.399 --> 03:09:02.680 do things now, like the whole the whole party is 3489 03:09:02.719 --> 03:09:05.639 taking damage from something at some point, Like it feels 3490 03:09:05.639 --> 03:09:10.879 like every boss fight, even Scholomance, like those last the 3491 03:09:11.239 --> 03:09:15.799 six minibosses before the final boss, like they do shit, 3492 03:09:16.159 --> 03:09:18.360 like they're just it's not just an NPC that takes 3493 03:09:18.399 --> 03:09:21.520 twice as long to kill anymore. But yeah, I like 3494 03:09:21.600 --> 03:09:24.840 what they've done. And even the trash packs are just 3495 03:09:24.840 --> 03:09:28.520 a bit more brutal. I've c seed more than I 3496 03:09:28.559 --> 03:09:32.319 have probably since doing the very first heroics in TBC, 3497 03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:35.120 and you actually, you know if there's a six pack 3498 03:09:35.239 --> 03:09:38.879 or if your tank for some reason hates pulling back 3499 03:09:38.920 --> 03:09:40.639 to the previous room. You just got to be ready 3500 03:09:40.680 --> 03:09:43.959 because the agro is so wonky. Like some when Scholar 3501 03:09:44.000 --> 03:09:46.040 we ended up with like a sixteen mob pool just 3502 03:09:46.200 --> 03:09:50.079 instant wipe. But no, it's been really really good, like 3503 03:09:50.120 --> 03:09:52.760 the if you like the leveling up dungeons, I think 3504 03:09:52.760 --> 03:09:55.360 they've kind of nailed the sixty stuff really really cool. 3505 03:09:55.440 --> 03:09:59.399 I still really really like it. And as a DPS player, 3506 03:09:59.559 --> 03:10:03.159 I hitting my CC and I know, like Laz is 3507 03:10:03.200 --> 03:10:06.040 here listening in, and please Laz, by no means am 3508 03:10:06.079 --> 03:10:07.559 I saying you have to talk here? But I'm just 3509 03:10:07.600 --> 03:10:11.360 gonna say, like I feel horrible, you know, well I 3510 03:10:11.360 --> 03:10:14.000 don't feel bad, but like I feel like I'm giving 3511 03:10:14.120 --> 03:10:18.959 Laz the shits massively because there are just moments when 3512 03:10:19.000 --> 03:10:21.959 I'm like, I have to fear here, Like I fucking 3513 03:10:22.600 --> 03:10:25.879 have to fear or this tank dies because he's got 3514 03:10:25.920 --> 03:10:29.840 five mobs on him beating the living shit out of him, 3515 03:10:30.280 --> 03:10:32.479 and I can just delete one of those mobs with 3516 03:10:32.479 --> 03:10:36.200 a fear, and like, I respect that fear is something 3517 03:10:36.239 --> 03:10:42.040 that tanks a historically incredibly like wary of. But like 3518 03:10:42.200 --> 03:10:46.120 in this version of the game, when you're pulling back, 3519 03:10:46.280 --> 03:10:49.000 you know, into a good space in the room beforehand 3520 03:10:49.079 --> 03:10:51.760 or whatever, And like I said, it does, it really 3521 03:10:51.840 --> 03:10:56.079 does look like the fear is running about fifty percent 3522 03:10:56.639 --> 03:10:59.239 less than they used to, so they're not running off 3523 03:10:59.239 --> 03:11:01.680 to Tim Buckt when pulling the whole room full of 3524 03:11:01.680 --> 03:11:07.600 Mobsnake's door. I really feel the need and the want 3525 03:11:07.920 --> 03:11:10.920 to help out with my CC and I hate even 3526 03:11:10.959 --> 03:11:13.559 though I'm like, the tank's gonna fucking freak out when 3527 03:11:13.600 --> 03:11:16.319 I send this fear out, but I really feel like 3528 03:11:16.399 --> 03:11:19.360 it's the best decision in this particular moment. I get 3529 03:11:19.360 --> 03:11:24.040 that feeling a lot, and I like it. 3530 03:11:24.079 --> 03:11:27.799 I feel like you're I feel like you're a little 3531 03:11:27.840 --> 03:11:31.239 biased because our br D run yesterday was probably the 3532 03:11:31.440 --> 03:11:34.280 worst performing me in last have been in br D, 3533 03:11:36.399 --> 03:11:36.920 both of us. 3534 03:11:37.040 --> 03:11:39.120 It's tough. It's a tough dungeon. 3535 03:11:40.040 --> 03:11:42.360 Yeah no, no, but we went in there at lower 3536 03:11:42.440 --> 03:11:45.479 levels and had an easier time. I think I think 3537 03:11:45.639 --> 03:11:48.000 Lads was a little over aggressive because he's a little 3538 03:11:48.079 --> 03:11:51.399 higher and he's got a fancy new weapon, and I, 3539 03:11:51.479 --> 03:11:53.719 you know, waiting that extra hour for you to finish 3540 03:11:53.719 --> 03:11:56.040 with Marcus had a couple of extra beers, and my 3541 03:11:56.120 --> 03:11:59.120 reaction times and decision making, we're not as good as 3542 03:11:59.120 --> 03:12:02.479 they probably as a healer. 3543 03:12:03.440 --> 03:12:06.559 But I don't know. All I'm getting at it. All 3544 03:12:06.600 --> 03:12:10.520 I'm getting at is pressing CC buttons feels good, and 3545 03:12:11.159 --> 03:12:16.120 I don't know. I don't like being discouraged from pressing it. 3546 03:12:16.200 --> 03:12:17.159 And I hate this. 3547 03:12:17.280 --> 03:12:20.319 Like it was cool when you banished. 3548 03:12:20.600 --> 03:12:22.280 Well yeah, and I was gonna call I was going 3549 03:12:22.360 --> 03:12:25.319 to kangaroo court myself for this one, Axule, because like 3550 03:12:25.920 --> 03:12:27.920 I would hope that I know this is going to 3551 03:12:27.959 --> 03:12:30.399 seem like that, you know, haha, that's all. It's always 3552 03:12:30.440 --> 03:12:32.600 fun to laugh at Josh for being a fucking you know, 3553 03:12:32.920 --> 03:12:35.600 he's the content creator, he's the fucking shitty player, all 3554 03:12:35.600 --> 03:12:38.479 that stuff, even though I still am determined to prove 3555 03:12:38.520 --> 03:12:40.399 people that I'm nowhere near as shit as people seem 3556 03:12:40.440 --> 03:12:43.920 to think I am. I think a lot of players 3557 03:12:43.920 --> 03:12:46.520 have probably been in this situation. Like I'm I'm not 3558 03:12:46.719 --> 03:12:50.120 a warlock veteran, guys. I keep calling myself a first 3559 03:12:50.120 --> 03:12:53.040 time warlock, but what I really mean by that is, yes, 3560 03:12:53.079 --> 03:12:55.239 I've played warlocks in the past, but I've never played 3561 03:12:55.239 --> 03:12:58.799 one seriously, if that makes sense. So the warlock I 3562 03:12:58.840 --> 03:13:02.159 had in Classic, you guys know, I've told this story before. 3563 03:13:02.680 --> 03:13:06.079 I was the massive fuck with who five boxed a 3564 03:13:06.159 --> 03:13:11.399 multi box team purely by dungeon leveling. I had a Warrior, 3565 03:13:11.479 --> 03:13:18.159 a Warlock, a mage, fucking something else. And I this 3566 03:13:18.200 --> 03:13:21.440 is in like twenty twenty. I had a multi box team, 3567 03:13:21.600 --> 03:13:23.600 and you know, I used the software because it was 3568 03:13:23.680 --> 03:13:25.399 you know, I think I said as soon as they 3569 03:13:25.520 --> 03:13:27.920 illegalized the software as when I started trying it out, 3570 03:13:27.920 --> 03:13:30.239 because I'd never heard of it before, and I was like, oh, 3571 03:13:30.239 --> 03:13:32.639 this is cool. I can do dungeons alone and play 3572 03:13:32.680 --> 03:13:34.760 the game alone and I don't need anyone else, and 3573 03:13:34.760 --> 03:13:37.159 this is fun. And I leveled a team up to 3574 03:13:37.280 --> 03:13:42.200 sixty and seventy just doing that basically. So I had 3575 03:13:42.200 --> 03:13:45.200 a Warlock at seventy and TBC Classic, but I never 3576 03:13:45.280 --> 03:13:48.840 really properly leveled it before. I'd never played one on 3577 03:13:48.879 --> 03:13:52.000 its own to learn the class. I don't multibox anymore. 3578 03:13:52.000 --> 03:13:54.000 I think multi boxing is a fucking joke. Now I've 3579 03:13:54.040 --> 03:13:57.000 really turned one eighty on it and my attitude towards it. 3580 03:13:58.719 --> 03:14:03.239 But but now that I've leveled this Warlock, it's really 3581 03:14:03.280 --> 03:14:06.959 the first time I've truly done it in a classic world, going, oh, 3582 03:14:07.040 --> 03:14:09.239 this is what it feels like to properly play and 3583 03:14:09.280 --> 03:14:11.799 have to survive on your own as a warlock, and 3584 03:14:11.959 --> 03:14:14.840 you don't get banish until I'm going to get at 3585 03:14:14.879 --> 03:14:17.360 the level wrong, but it's late. You don't get banished 3586 03:14:17.399 --> 03:14:19.920 until like forty two, forty four or some shit like that. 3587 03:14:19.959 --> 03:14:24.799 You warlocks will know. And then, more importantly, even once 3588 03:14:24.840 --> 03:14:29.440 you get banish, like you never hit that button once 3589 03:14:29.719 --> 03:14:32.680 in the open world when you're leveling solo, like, you 3590 03:14:32.760 --> 03:14:35.920 have no fucking reason to ever banish anything right unless 3591 03:14:35.959 --> 03:14:38.559 you've for some reason truly up shit creek about to 3592 03:14:38.600 --> 03:14:41.239 die and you've got an elemental or a demon on you. 3593 03:14:41.239 --> 03:14:45.159 You just don't hit it right. So every class has 3594 03:14:45.200 --> 03:14:48.200 this ability that they get late in the game that 3595 03:14:48.239 --> 03:14:50.840 if you're not used to the class, you kind of 3596 03:14:50.920 --> 03:14:53.159 forget that you've got it. So like we get to 3597 03:14:53.239 --> 03:14:57.680 Ambassador flame Lash and we wiped the first time, and 3598 03:14:57.760 --> 03:15:00.879 I said, We're sitting there brainstorming and going Okay, no, guys, 3599 03:15:00.879 --> 03:15:03.280 we can do this, we can do this. Let's talk 3600 03:15:03.360 --> 03:15:07.399 strat and at some point someone goes, well, Josh, why 3601 03:15:07.399 --> 03:15:09.239 don't you just banish one of the two ads that 3602 03:15:09.319 --> 03:15:12.200 comes out? And I went, oh yeah, And I heard 3603 03:15:12.200 --> 03:15:16.879 someone laughing discord because they're probably thinking this fucking idiot warlock. 3604 03:15:17.520 --> 03:15:20.440 But like I just I legitimately forgot I had the 3605 03:15:20.440 --> 03:15:22.719 fucking spell and I cast it for the first time 3606 03:15:22.760 --> 03:15:26.479 in my fucking life on that second attempt. But now 3607 03:15:27.079 --> 03:15:29.079 I know I've got it and it's a great spell. 3608 03:15:32.079 --> 03:15:34.520 So I guess what I'm getting at is, yeah, okay, 3609 03:15:34.559 --> 03:15:35.959 I'm a bit of a fuck with it. But also, 3610 03:15:36.799 --> 03:15:38.600 have you guys had those moments or do you know 3611 03:15:38.840 --> 03:15:41.559 that spell for your class you get so late and 3612 03:15:41.639 --> 03:15:43.000 forget that you've then got. 3613 03:15:45.600 --> 03:15:51.799 Fade. I forget. I have that one all the time, 3614 03:15:52.360 --> 03:15:55.600 very good spell you get like a level eight. Yeah, yeah, 3615 03:15:55.639 --> 03:15:58.520 I just never press it, bro, I just like I'm 3616 03:15:58.559 --> 03:16:00.719 just too chad for that. Yeah, I don't need to 3617 03:16:00.799 --> 03:16:02.879 drop threat. I need to be the most threatening man 3618 03:16:02.920 --> 03:16:03.520 in the dungeon. 3619 03:16:04.200 --> 03:16:06.120 I'll actually give you. I'll give you Lee Wou on 3620 03:16:06.159 --> 03:16:08.719 this one, because again, if you're leveling and you're not, 3621 03:16:08.959 --> 03:16:11.200 like you know, you just have no. I get that 3622 03:16:11.239 --> 03:16:13.680 we do dungeons while we level, but you fucking never 3623 03:16:13.719 --> 03:16:14.399 press fade. 3624 03:16:15.000 --> 03:16:17.520 We haven't got the walls on gulps. Then a dodge 3625 03:16:17.559 --> 03:16:22.479 for the PvP, No, I don't. It actually does it 3626 03:16:22.479 --> 03:16:24.680 gives you dodge in wars on golfs. 3627 03:16:24.879 --> 03:16:28.479 Yeah, I pressed flame tongue totem for the first time 3628 03:16:28.799 --> 03:16:32.719 in my entire shaman career. When it's my main class, 3629 03:16:32.760 --> 03:16:35.360 I play just because of the way they've changed it. 3630 03:16:35.680 --> 03:16:38.120 Yesterday we finally had a group where it was appropriate. 3631 03:16:38.639 --> 03:16:42.520 Yak's got a great example, shackle undead, perfect example. 3632 03:16:43.239 --> 03:16:46.799 Yeah, I've seen a few shackles get used so far in. 3633 03:16:46.840 --> 03:16:50.120 Dung, but they don't get it until like fucking fifty 3634 03:16:50.200 --> 03:16:53.040 nine and a half. It's quite late. When they get it. 3635 03:16:55.079 --> 03:16:57.239 We get it like in our thirties, but it just 3636 03:16:57.280 --> 03:16:59.360 becomes very it's very situational. 3637 03:17:00.159 --> 03:17:02.680 I thought it was in the forties. Okay, my bad, 3638 03:17:02.760 --> 03:17:03.120 My bad. 3639 03:17:03.120 --> 03:17:03.479 It's a bit. 3640 03:17:04.360 --> 03:17:06.159 I'm fifty and I got like two ranks. 3641 03:17:05.879 --> 03:17:06.440 Of it already. 3642 03:17:06.639 --> 03:17:08.600 Okay, my bad, all right. 3643 03:17:09.120 --> 03:17:11.879 But like I don't use my control. I keep forgetting 3644 03:17:11.879 --> 03:17:12.600 I have my control. 3645 03:17:12.840 --> 03:17:16.079 Oh mate, that's the first speller I remember I have. 3646 03:17:16.840 --> 03:17:19.200 They're just gonna mind control and eat someone off something. 3647 03:17:19.239 --> 03:17:21.079 That's like the first fun for PvP. 3648 03:17:21.239 --> 03:17:23.479 It's yeah, it's I always remember to use that there. 3649 03:17:23.520 --> 03:17:26.200 But like PVEE content, I always forget, like, oh, maybe 3650 03:17:26.200 --> 03:17:27.879 I could mind control somebody and do something. 3651 03:17:28.600 --> 03:17:30.360 But yeah, I'm just trying to make myself feel better, 3652 03:17:30.479 --> 03:17:32.719 so like, thank you for that, guys. The moral of 3653 03:17:32.719 --> 03:17:34.719 the story is still fucking Josh has got a lot 3654 03:17:34.760 --> 03:17:39.680 to learn. I'm really enjoying learning warlock warlocks are And 3655 03:17:39.719 --> 03:17:41.719 a few people are starting to not notice this on 3656 03:17:41.760 --> 03:17:44.959 the subreddit. Look, this was a calculated choice by me. Yes, 3657 03:17:45.000 --> 03:17:47.079 I've never I did it because I've never seriously leveled 3658 03:17:47.079 --> 03:17:50.319 a Warlock before, like I said, but also I looked 3659 03:17:50.399 --> 03:17:53.000 into the Epoch Warlock before I rolled it, and I 3660 03:17:53.040 --> 03:17:56.479 was like, I really just think on paper this thing 3661 03:17:56.559 --> 03:17:59.680 could pump because the drainsul thing is such a big 3662 03:17:59.760 --> 03:18:02.840 chain and just them getting seed of corruption in this 3663 03:18:02.959 --> 03:18:06.440 version of the game. I'm like, look, yeah, we all know, okay, yes, 3664 03:18:06.600 --> 03:18:09.799 warlocks have always historically been the pumper of TBC and 3665 03:18:09.840 --> 03:18:12.479 it's a TBC base and I get that, but this 3666 03:18:12.600 --> 03:18:15.559 isn't tbc's it's epos put a twist on it. But 3667 03:18:15.600 --> 03:18:18.360 it was still like, oh, I really think this Warlock 3668 03:18:18.440 --> 03:18:20.079 is going to be a fucking force to be reckoned with. 3669 03:18:20.479 --> 03:18:22.920 And it seems like people are coming back with some 3670 03:18:23.879 --> 03:18:27.040 reports of damage meters going like we all bitch and 3671 03:18:27.120 --> 03:18:29.639 moaned and you know, I'm guilty of this bitch, and 3672 03:18:29.639 --> 03:18:32.239 moaned about the Hunters through the leveling process, going, oh, 3673 03:18:32.280 --> 03:18:34.319 why they're doing twice the damage of everyone else. That's 3674 03:18:34.319 --> 03:18:37.479 a bit weird. It seems that like the script flips 3675 03:18:37.520 --> 03:18:39.959 at sixty and people are saying warlocks are doing twice 3676 03:18:39.959 --> 03:18:42.319 the damage of everyone else. Have you noticed this or not. 3677 03:18:44.120 --> 03:18:46.120 I haven't had a single warlock in any of my 3678 03:18:46.200 --> 03:18:52.079 dungeons yet. Okay from everyone else. I mean people keep telling, well, 3679 03:18:52.360 --> 03:18:56.159 people are like two people said, supposed to be STI 3680 03:18:56.399 --> 03:19:00.399 as well, right, And it's like, I mean, it's tier. 3681 03:19:00.479 --> 03:19:03.399 If the boss dies in twenty seconds, it's not it's 3682 03:19:03.520 --> 03:19:05.760 not that great. If the boss lasts more than a minute, 3683 03:19:05.799 --> 03:19:10.559 that's just the arcane life. But yeah, I think this. 3684 03:19:10.920 --> 03:19:13.719 I've still got the eternal gripe that like, hunters are 3685 03:19:13.760 --> 03:19:15.559 doing as much damage as me, and they just get 3686 03:19:15.600 --> 03:19:17.280 to send a pet in an auto shoot and that's 3687 03:19:17.319 --> 03:19:19.280 like seventy percent of their damage, and they're pressing one 3688 03:19:19.319 --> 03:19:22.000 other button and it's like, fuck, man, I'm popping like 3689 03:19:22.120 --> 03:19:25.399 four cool downs and all this other bullshit and managing 3690 03:19:25.440 --> 03:19:28.520 manner to just keep up with an auto shooting bot. 3691 03:19:28.760 --> 03:19:28.959 Yeah. 3692 03:19:29.000 --> 03:19:32.879 Yeah, So that's the bane of my existence. But it 3693 03:19:33.000 --> 03:19:36.159 has been very, very fair from what I've seen. Yeah, 3694 03:19:36.200 --> 03:19:41.520 like I've been in been in parties with Pali's Warriors, Rogues, Hunters, Majors, Shamans, 3695 03:19:41.600 --> 03:19:43.840 and like all of us either have packs that we 3696 03:19:43.879 --> 03:19:46.760 pop off on or situations that we pop off in, 3697 03:19:46.920 --> 03:19:48.840 but overall it's all pretty similar. 3698 03:19:49.959 --> 03:19:53.120 I'm the only the main thing I'm wrestling with is 3699 03:19:53.239 --> 03:19:55.719 at the moment, and it's hard to sort of say, oh, 3700 03:19:55.760 --> 03:19:57.959 you've got the Warlocks, tell me what you think, But 3701 03:19:58.440 --> 03:20:00.879 none of you have played this version Warlock before, so 3702 03:20:00.920 --> 03:20:03.479 it's kind of pointless reaching out for advice unless someone 3703 03:20:03.520 --> 03:20:06.280 is playing a high level Warlock on Epoch. But like, 3704 03:20:08.280 --> 03:20:11.719 there's a there's a weird moment during the encounter where 3705 03:20:11.719 --> 03:20:14.639 it's kind of like I'm still getting the feel for 3706 03:20:14.760 --> 03:20:18.680 it with you know, when do I shadow burn and 3707 03:20:18.719 --> 03:20:22.040 when do I start learning? When to start drained Soul 3708 03:20:22.159 --> 03:20:25.159 Because it is a high powered execute that's empowered by 3709 03:20:25.399 --> 03:20:29.600 the level of health that the mob has. It it's 3710 03:20:29.600 --> 03:20:31.319 a fine art. I have worked it out for the 3711 03:20:31.319 --> 03:20:33.760 most part, but it is a fine art figuring out 3712 03:20:33.799 --> 03:20:37.680 when to start that execute because execute effectively damage wise 3713 03:20:38.200 --> 03:20:41.120 is sending out a shadow bolt every tick, So it's 3714 03:20:41.120 --> 03:20:43.399 like a twelve second cast or something, but it sits 3715 03:20:43.399 --> 03:20:46.479 there in a channels. You all know how drain soul works, 3716 03:20:46.520 --> 03:20:49.399 but effectively, every two and a half seconds, it's just 3717 03:20:49.479 --> 03:20:54.520 doing a shadow bolt's worth of damage when when the 3718 03:20:54.639 --> 03:20:57.760 mob well actually no, sorry, I lie, it's doing a 3719 03:20:57.760 --> 03:21:01.360 shadow bolts worth of damage when it's not empowered every 3720 03:21:01.399 --> 03:21:03.079 two and a half seconds, and then you get like 3721 03:21:03.159 --> 03:21:05.799 up to forty percent extra on top of that if 3722 03:21:05.799 --> 03:21:10.120 they're at low health. So it's pretty fucking powerful. So 3723 03:21:10.200 --> 03:21:13.559 it's basically like a shadow bolt quit when they're at 3724 03:21:13.600 --> 03:21:15.840 low health every two and a half seconds. I believe 3725 03:21:15.879 --> 03:21:18.079 I might be getting the math wrong, but yeah, it's 3726 03:21:18.120 --> 03:21:20.399 just the fine art of figuring out when to start 3727 03:21:20.520 --> 03:21:23.920 channeling that drained soul because they don't take the damage 3728 03:21:23.920 --> 03:21:25.559 straight away. It's going to be two and a half 3729 03:21:25.600 --> 03:21:27.959 seconds into the channel when it starts to go bonkers. 3730 03:21:29.120 --> 03:21:32.159 So yeah, anyway, I'm just sort of fucking spewing shit 3731 03:21:32.159 --> 03:21:33.840 off the top of my head here, but I want 3732 03:21:33.840 --> 03:21:37.319 to throw it to an old countdown favorite. If you 3733 03:21:37.360 --> 03:21:39.239 can turn your mic on, if you're okay with that, 3734 03:21:39.280 --> 03:21:45.760 if you're able to talk rue hello, maybe she can't talk. 3735 03:21:45.879 --> 03:21:48.399 Maybe she has to stay muted. Now, look, I'll tell 3736 03:21:48.399 --> 03:21:50.319 the story while you're figuring that out, Rue, if you 3737 03:21:50.360 --> 03:21:54.600 are able to talk. About two hours ago, we had 3738 03:21:55.040 --> 03:21:57.120 Rue jump in voice chat when she saw that we 3739 03:21:57.120 --> 03:21:59.399 were doing the podcast, and she's like, fucking good, ay boys, 3740 03:21:59.399 --> 03:22:01.239 here you going, Oh, here we go. He's a fucking 3741 03:22:01.239 --> 03:22:04.360 blast from the past. How are you? And she had 3742 03:22:04.600 --> 03:22:09.559 no idea about Epoch whatsoever, and she's like, I just 3743 03:22:09.559 --> 03:22:10.959 saw you guys are doing a podcast, so I thought 3744 03:22:10.959 --> 03:22:12.200 i'd come hang and I'm like, do you know what 3745 03:22:12.200 --> 03:22:14.159 we're talking about? And she goes no. And I said 3746 03:22:14.159 --> 03:22:16.159 have you heard nothing of this new server? And she 3747 03:22:16.239 --> 03:22:19.680 goes no. And I said, oh my god, prepare to 3748 03:22:19.760 --> 03:22:22.760 fucking have your socks blown off, and told her all 3749 03:22:22.799 --> 03:22:25.360 about it, and she was just getting more and more 3750 03:22:25.399 --> 03:22:29.600 excited the more details we gave her. And she's downloaded it. 3751 03:22:29.680 --> 03:22:31.879 She's just asked me what server we're on, and the 3752 03:22:31.959 --> 03:22:35.639 fucking madness will begin. She's still on mute, though, so 3753 03:22:35.680 --> 03:22:37.719 she might not be able to talk. But I'm seeing 3754 03:22:37.760 --> 03:22:40.959 more and more OG countdown people joined the guild. We 3755 03:22:41.040 --> 03:22:44.079 just had Aggressive join a few days ago. Dark Brewer 3756 03:22:44.159 --> 03:22:46.600 jumped in at one point. So it's really really good 3757 03:22:46.600 --> 03:22:49.799 to see that the og fucking crew doing it. You know, 3758 03:22:49.879 --> 03:22:52.280 Mike is obviously their balls of steel doing the thing 3759 03:22:52.280 --> 03:22:57.159 as well. So it's wonderful to see Voodoo. Hello, mate, 3760 03:22:57.200 --> 03:23:02.280 how are you good? I'll turn you up a little 3761 03:23:02.319 --> 03:23:06.319 bit now, mate, you missed us kangaroo courting yours earlier. 3762 03:23:08.920 --> 03:23:10.680 Just made it's all good, thank you. 3763 03:23:11.600 --> 03:23:12.799 Ali Hideous would have me. 3764 03:23:13.040 --> 03:23:15.360 Yeah, he had your back, he said. Look, he fucking 3765 03:23:15.440 --> 03:23:17.280 ran me through the dungeons, so he's a good egg 3766 03:23:17.319 --> 03:23:18.959 in my eyes. And I thought that was a fair 3767 03:23:19.040 --> 03:23:22.000 enough submission. May we're off to the rugby in a 3768 03:23:22.040 --> 03:23:23.440 few hours. You're looking forward to that? 3769 03:23:24.239 --> 03:23:25.040 Oh mate? 3770 03:23:25.120 --> 03:23:26.959 A few beers would go down well today. 3771 03:23:27.079 --> 03:23:29.319 Yeah, it's been about a year since you last saw 3772 03:23:29.840 --> 03:23:32.600 your What I'm saying is your beloved Reds in action. 3773 03:23:32.799 --> 03:23:34.879 So that'll be a bit of fun Red's Brumbies. 3774 03:23:35.639 --> 03:23:36.879 Let's see if we can get up again. 3775 03:23:37.000 --> 03:23:39.680 Yeah, let's get a fucking win in there. It's anyway 3776 03:23:39.719 --> 03:23:44.639 that'll get Hunk in the action and share some stories. Now, boys, 3777 03:23:44.680 --> 03:23:47.879 look where else can we take this? Ubi trying to 3778 03:23:47.879 --> 03:23:51.959 think of anything we need to talk about. I mean, 3779 03:23:52.000 --> 03:23:53.520 we'll start to wind it down. We've gone for an 3780 03:23:53.520 --> 03:23:55.120 hour and a half. We don't need to go all day. 3781 03:23:58.639 --> 03:24:01.920 Oh not sure, how don't I? I just I could 3782 03:24:01.959 --> 03:24:03.600 just ramble about fucking. 3783 03:24:03.319 --> 03:24:06.799 Well, this is the rambling. This is the rambling latte 3784 03:24:06.799 --> 03:24:09.840 stage of the pod. Dude, guys, you speak now forever, 3785 03:24:09.879 --> 03:24:12.239 holdy silence. You don't need to be fucking on point. Now, 3786 03:24:12.319 --> 03:24:15.280 let's loosen our belts and let the gut out. Who's 3787 03:24:15.319 --> 03:24:17.399 got things to say about a I. 3788 03:24:17.399 --> 03:24:20.280 Just want to say how insane major is what they're 3789 03:24:20.360 --> 03:24:26.319 slow is. It's really dependous just because they've added a 3790 03:24:26.319 --> 03:24:31.639 lot of like high level elites requests. Remember, so, like 3791 03:24:31.680 --> 03:24:33.680 the molten core Atunant, you have got to kill a 3792 03:24:33.719 --> 03:24:35.799 couple of sixty one elites out in the world now 3793 03:24:35.840 --> 03:24:39.479 before you do what was the previous attunement portion. And 3794 03:24:39.559 --> 03:24:42.040 I'm there trying to solo out of fifty six when 3795 03:24:42.040 --> 03:24:44.879 I'm a jackass and a mage just comes trying to 3796 03:24:44.959 --> 03:24:46.799 kite it because that's the only way I could possibly 3797 03:24:46.879 --> 03:24:48.760 do it. And the mage just comes and hits slow 3798 03:24:49.120 --> 03:24:54.239 one time, and suddenly what was a suicidal act of 3799 03:24:54.280 --> 03:24:57.319 attempting to kite it just became instantly the easiest thing. 3800 03:24:57.200 --> 03:25:01.840 Ever, Oh slow is crazy and like no cool downs 3801 03:25:01.840 --> 03:25:05.520 are like you don't even have to time it or anything, 3802 03:25:05.639 --> 03:25:09.520 and you just keep reapplying it, like I soloed the and. 3803 03:25:09.479 --> 03:25:11.280 If you get the results, you just do it again. 3804 03:25:12.040 --> 03:25:17.399 Yeah, I sold an after every other elite so far 3805 03:25:17.959 --> 03:25:19.680 is just a piece of piss because you can just 3806 03:25:19.760 --> 03:25:20.799 cuite them around forever. 3807 03:25:21.799 --> 03:25:25.440 Yeah. I mean I've felt I felt that way with 3808 03:25:25.559 --> 03:25:28.600 fear as well, just like being able to endlessly apply fear. 3809 03:25:28.680 --> 03:25:36.360 I'm like, what the like, this class is broken? That's right. 3810 03:25:36.399 --> 03:25:39.399 I wanted to talk about the new items now. Okay, 3811 03:25:39.639 --> 03:25:42.120 we keep saying no spoilers, but like it's it's it 3812 03:25:42.239 --> 03:25:44.159 is hard at a certain point to sort of not 3813 03:25:44.239 --> 03:25:46.840 talk about this shit and not get a little bit spoilery. 3814 03:25:46.920 --> 03:25:50.520 But like some of the higher level items are starting 3815 03:25:50.520 --> 03:25:53.120 to creep through, and you know, we're linking stuff in 3816 03:25:53.159 --> 03:25:59.440 guilt Chat that we're saying, have you guys seen anything 3817 03:25:59.559 --> 03:26:02.639 that's fucking tickled your people in the old item department. 3818 03:26:05.479 --> 03:26:07.959 I was really tickled by that new trinket I just 3819 03:26:08.280 --> 03:26:09.000 linked you earlier. 3820 03:26:09.079 --> 03:26:10.440 Yeah, the trinket from a. 3821 03:26:12.280 --> 03:26:15.280 Yeah, just because it's so hard to get spell power 3822 03:26:15.319 --> 03:26:20.799 on a trinket let alone pre sixty, so it's not 3823 03:26:20.879 --> 03:26:23.319 like insane but just nine spell power and one spell 3824 03:26:23.360 --> 03:26:28.399 hit on a trinket slot. It's a relatively easy question, 3825 03:26:28.639 --> 03:26:32.440 and Angora is music to my Earth. 3826 03:26:32.479 --> 03:26:35.479 At least mine isn't so much an item, it's just 3827 03:26:35.520 --> 03:26:40.000 a I've just had my memory refreshed. I really wanted 3828 03:26:40.000 --> 03:26:42.399 to get the Portal to Stone art that way we 3829 03:26:42.399 --> 03:26:43.760 could get to b RM quicker. 3830 03:26:43.840 --> 03:26:45.479 Yeah, me and. 3831 03:26:45.479 --> 03:26:50.719 Voodoo formed up a fuck. I forget what dungeon we 3832 03:26:50.799 --> 03:26:53.319 had to do for it. But we've gone and we've 3833 03:26:53.360 --> 03:26:56.399 gotten my Portal Stone art. But I don't know if 3834 03:26:56.440 --> 03:26:59.200 the game's broken or it's design intention, but I didn't 3835 03:26:59.200 --> 03:27:02.360 get Portal Stone. I've got Portal Theramore, and I can 3836 03:27:02.399 --> 03:27:04.200 take it and I can just send myself into the 3837 03:27:04.200 --> 03:27:07.399 middle of an Alliance town in fucking dust swallow and 3838 03:27:08.120 --> 03:27:10.520 like I've used it once and I can get out 3839 03:27:10.559 --> 03:27:12.920 of the town and survive. But I just don't know 3840 03:27:12.959 --> 03:27:14.479 if this is a barg or was this a part 3841 03:27:14.479 --> 03:27:17.399 of their cross faction planning, because I don't like it's 3842 03:27:17.440 --> 03:27:19.680 not that I got given both. I don't have Stone 3843 03:27:19.799 --> 03:27:23.040 art and I want Portal Stone art so I could 3844 03:27:23.079 --> 03:27:27.360 go to Theramore. And then I also learned that at 3845 03:27:27.399 --> 03:27:29.600 the end of a dungeon, alliance can take my portal 3846 03:27:29.600 --> 03:27:32.000 to Orc. So there was a night Elf hunter running 3847 03:27:32.000 --> 03:27:34.959 around Org last night after doing Scollo and had the 3848 03:27:35.040 --> 03:27:38.799 heart out because I don't know they they refuse to 3849 03:27:38.840 --> 03:27:40.639 take my Theeramore portal instead. 3850 03:27:41.840 --> 03:27:44.799 You can have some fun with that, Yeah, yeah. 3851 03:27:45.159 --> 03:27:49.200 Absolutely, first guild, first guild grade. I'm going to send 3852 03:27:49.239 --> 03:27:50.799 all the Horde to Theerramore instead. 3853 03:27:51.159 --> 03:27:57.360 Very good. Perfect anyone else on anything funny or that 3854 03:27:57.440 --> 03:28:00.239 they want to talk about, this is the same it 3855 03:28:00.239 --> 03:28:02.159 off your chest about epoch section. 3856 03:28:04.159 --> 03:28:06.600 I will say Smite priests are legit and we are 3857 03:28:06.719 --> 03:28:07.559 fucking people up. 3858 03:28:07.719 --> 03:28:09.639 Oh so you finally found your stride. 3859 03:28:10.920 --> 03:28:11.799 Oh yeah, weird. 3860 03:28:12.040 --> 03:28:12.680 I'm pumping. 3861 03:28:12.760 --> 03:28:14.600 I am one of the top dps almost in every 3862 03:28:14.600 --> 03:28:18.680 group I am in. It is just so what. 3863 03:28:18.120 --> 03:28:20.000 What level would you say it kicks in. 3864 03:28:21.639 --> 03:28:25.399 I'd probably say low mid forties when you start really 3865 03:28:25.399 --> 03:28:28.959 feeling it and it's just going up from there. 3866 03:28:29.680 --> 03:28:33.360 I dropped one spec and it was good, Like I 3867 03:28:33.520 --> 03:28:37.479 just got my second point in Search of Light at 3868 03:28:37.639 --> 03:28:40.280 thirty seven thirty six. 3869 03:28:40.520 --> 03:28:43.399 So didn't you guys say Surge of Light was broken. 3870 03:28:44.959 --> 03:28:47.479 It's broken for the healing components, not for the free 3871 03:28:47.479 --> 03:28:50.479 smite you'll get, but if you want to use it 3872 03:28:50.520 --> 03:28:53.799 to get a free flash Heel instant flash Heel, it's 3873 03:28:53.799 --> 03:28:54.399 broken for that. 3874 03:28:55.079 --> 03:28:57.559 I just want to say on the broken portion. You know, 3875 03:28:57.559 --> 03:28:59.600 we just discussed obviously Surge of Light there. I had 3876 03:28:59.600 --> 03:29:03.079 a big about the very very buggy encounter that is 3877 03:29:03.120 --> 03:29:06.200 Ambassador flame Lash. You know, I said, it's a shame 3878 03:29:06.239 --> 03:29:08.920 it's bugged, because I really think this is actually going 3879 03:29:08.959 --> 03:29:15.520 to be a phenomenal encounter, you know, again throwing it 3880 03:29:15.559 --> 03:29:19.120 to the love of my life, the creature that is 3881 03:29:20.520 --> 03:29:24.520 the creature of habit that is the YouTube commenter. A 3882 03:29:24.520 --> 03:29:27.040 lot of YouTube comments want to keep sort of it. 3883 03:29:27.159 --> 03:29:29.799 And again, like I say, it's so hard to engage 3884 03:29:29.920 --> 03:29:34.559 properly with YouTube commenters about private server videos because there's 3885 03:29:34.600 --> 03:29:38.879 a lot of weirdness with private server tribalism, and like 3886 03:29:39.639 --> 03:29:42.440 it's just so easy for people that are trying to 3887 03:29:42.520 --> 03:29:45.440 drum up business for Turtle Wow to just you know, 3888 03:29:45.479 --> 03:29:48.479 it's their job just to go off and slander anything 3889 03:29:48.559 --> 03:29:52.239 in the comments that's about another private server and vice versa. 3890 03:29:52.319 --> 03:29:56.200 You know, it's very easy and simple for an Epoch 3891 03:29:56.280 --> 03:29:58.760 admin to jump on any Turtle Wow video and go 3892 03:29:58.799 --> 03:30:01.920 a fuck diserver, go play Epoch and every video I'm 3893 03:30:01.920 --> 03:30:04.799 putting up on YouTube, like you identify them straight away 3894 03:30:04.840 --> 03:30:10.600 of someone just apropos of nothing, just completely irrelevant comment. 3895 03:30:10.639 --> 03:30:12.760 You'll just see the like go play Turtle Wow and 3896 03:30:12.760 --> 03:30:15.280 it's like, all right, settle down, fucking Turtle Wow staff. 3897 03:30:16.280 --> 03:30:19.520 So it's really hard to sort of, you know, uh, 3898 03:30:20.680 --> 03:30:25.280 disseminate the good faith from the bad faith sort of points. 3899 03:30:25.319 --> 03:30:28.440 But you do see it coming up a lot about 3900 03:30:28.559 --> 03:30:31.200 the bugginess of Epoch and like, oh, this is a 3901 03:30:31.239 --> 03:30:34.600 fucking trash server, so many bugs, imagine playing it, blah 3902 03:30:34.639 --> 03:30:37.440 blah blah, and like people are calling me out on 3903 03:30:37.479 --> 03:30:41.840 it for like speaking positively about this server when it's 3904 03:30:41.840 --> 03:30:45.520 so bug riddled, and I'm like, you fucking can't ston't 3905 03:30:45.520 --> 03:30:49.079 listen to the show. We are saying a multiple junctures. 3906 03:30:49.639 --> 03:30:55.319 I agree, this is absolutely a bug riddled you know, 3907 03:30:55.360 --> 03:30:58.520 when it comes to bugs, there's a lot of them. 3908 03:30:58.600 --> 03:31:03.680 There's a fuck load of bugs on this server. But 3909 03:31:03.799 --> 03:31:07.680 I'm still having fun and enjoying it despite the bugs. 3910 03:31:07.680 --> 03:31:10.360 And that upsets a lot of gamers because there is 3911 03:31:10.399 --> 03:31:13.360 a class of gamer, And again we go lower cast, 3912 03:31:13.559 --> 03:31:19.760 lower class sorry, lowercase G, upper case a lowercase M 3913 03:31:19.959 --> 03:31:23.959 kind of gamer who just they encounter one bug and 3914 03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:26.559 they throw the game in the trash and go, fucking 3915 03:31:27.239 --> 03:31:29.360 imagine releasing this piece of shit. Oh my god, your 3916 03:31:29.360 --> 03:31:32.680 game's got a bug. I'm a fucking elite gamer. Oh 3917 03:31:32.719 --> 03:31:35.440 my god, I'm just not that guy. I'm not that 3918 03:31:35.799 --> 03:31:38.479 kind of fucking person like, and people want to throw 3919 03:31:39.079 --> 03:31:40.879 me under the bus and be like, oh, well, you know, 3920 03:31:40.959 --> 03:31:43.239 some of us just fucking expect quality from our games, 3921 03:31:43.280 --> 03:31:45.120 don't you. Some of us are just fucking a bit 3922 03:31:45.159 --> 03:31:48.280 more discerning, and then you know, we expect fucking a 3923 03:31:48.319 --> 03:31:50.559 better product when we play games. We're not a fucking 3924 03:31:50.760 --> 03:31:53.280 low IQ like U smooth brain, He'll just play anything 3925 03:31:53.319 --> 03:31:56.319 that's fucking fed to them. Made this server's fun. I 3926 03:31:56.360 --> 03:31:58.920 don't give a fuck. Like the whole flame lash thing again, 3927 03:32:00.239 --> 03:32:04.319 was it frustrating? Sure for half a second, But we 3928 03:32:04.479 --> 03:32:06.399 tried it a couple of times, and then we just 3929 03:32:06.479 --> 03:32:09.040 moved on and did something else, and we went, oh, 3930 03:32:09.120 --> 03:32:12.680 when that gets fixed, that'll be really good. Like I 3931 03:32:12.799 --> 03:32:16.200 just I don't. It's still not enough to turn me 3932 03:32:16.280 --> 03:32:19.399 off this server. I agree with you, there's bugs everywhere, 3933 03:32:19.680 --> 03:32:23.360 but this server is the greatest lipmus test out there 3934 03:32:23.399 --> 03:32:28.879 for do you value fun or you know, bug free content? 3935 03:32:29.479 --> 03:32:32.000 Because like, I don't. I don't know what to say. 3936 03:32:32.159 --> 03:32:34.280 Who knows what I'm trying to say here? I don't 3937 03:32:34.280 --> 03:32:35.239 even know what I'm trying to say. 3938 03:32:36.319 --> 03:32:38.600 Well, let's not forget that it's free. 3939 03:32:38.959 --> 03:32:40.000 You don't pay anything for. 3940 03:32:44.559 --> 03:32:46.399 What are you willing to deal with a new game? 3941 03:32:47.479 --> 03:32:48.319 Do you want to deal. 3942 03:32:48.200 --> 03:32:53.799 With keep going yack? Yea yack? Whoa actual axl yack? 3943 03:32:53.879 --> 03:32:54.360 Then axl? 3944 03:32:58.040 --> 03:32:59.399 What are you willing to deal with? Right? 3945 03:32:59.479 --> 03:33:01.479 Like, go to Turtle Out and they have a bunch 3946 03:33:01.479 --> 03:33:04.000 of new content and that's cool, But do you want 3947 03:33:04.000 --> 03:33:06.079 to play on a one point one two server where 3948 03:33:06.120 --> 03:33:09.399 everything looks like trash? Or do you want to play 3949 03:33:09.440 --> 03:33:12.120 on server that Okay, maybe it doesn't have as much 3950 03:33:12.200 --> 03:33:14.840 new content, but there's a little bit more going on 3951 03:33:14.879 --> 03:33:19.520 in depth with each of the classes, and it looks 3952 03:33:19.559 --> 03:33:21.319 a lot better and feels a lot better. 3953 03:33:21.799 --> 03:33:24.040 I And again, I'm sorry, I. 3954 03:33:25.600 --> 03:33:27.920 Was just gonna say I'm more willing to deal with 3955 03:33:27.959 --> 03:33:32.120 a few bugged quests and have my character look better 3956 03:33:32.120 --> 03:33:34.440 and feel better than I am to go play on 3957 03:33:34.440 --> 03:33:37.200 the server where I'm like squinting to look at the graphics. 3958 03:33:37.319 --> 03:33:41.799 Yeah, and this is where people go a few bugged quests. Yeah, 3959 03:33:41.879 --> 03:33:44.360 fuck off, idiot, there's fucking hundreds of bug quests. And 3960 03:33:44.479 --> 03:33:46.559 I still come back to like what I said last week, 3961 03:33:46.600 --> 03:33:50.000 where I was like, guys, like, don't buy into the hyperbole. Yes, 3962 03:33:50.040 --> 03:33:52.479 when you add them all up, there is probably a 3963 03:33:53.120 --> 03:33:56.600 good list of bugged quests, but like it's literally like 3964 03:33:56.680 --> 03:33:59.959 two per zone. I don't give a fuck. And I'll 3965 03:34:00.040 --> 03:34:05.760 also to say that like I would love to in 3966 03:34:05.799 --> 03:34:09.760 a world that we can never sort of create, I 3967 03:34:09.799 --> 03:34:12.920 would love to have the hypothetical and not this is 3968 03:34:12.959 --> 03:34:16.760 not a tribalism comment more just like I would be 3969 03:34:16.879 --> 03:34:21.920 interested the Tea Wow at launch versus Epoch at launch 3970 03:34:22.040 --> 03:34:26.079 side bicycling. If te Wow hypothetically launched in its initial 3971 03:34:26.079 --> 03:34:30.319 state right now and sized up against Epoch right now, 3972 03:34:30.920 --> 03:34:34.559 that that's a comparison I would love to see. I'd 3973 03:34:34.559 --> 03:34:40.920 love to see it. Axel, Sorry, you're. 3974 03:34:40.760 --> 03:34:43.559 Going to say something I was, you know, kind of 3975 03:34:43.559 --> 03:34:45.399 building on my yah saying about what are you willing 3976 03:34:45.440 --> 03:34:47.360 to tolerate? And it's like I was willing to spend 3977 03:34:47.440 --> 03:34:50.319 fifteen dollars a month and tolerate a certain number of 3978 03:34:50.399 --> 03:34:54.280 bugs already bugs that would sit there for months and 3979 03:34:54.360 --> 03:34:57.399 months on end. Yeah, even though they were known, and 3980 03:34:57.479 --> 03:35:01.239 so considering the things have at least been getting fixed, 3981 03:35:01.399 --> 03:35:05.840 sometimes they're also getting broken again or broken a newly broken. 3982 03:35:05.920 --> 03:35:11.559 But you know, it is fun. I agree with that part, 3983 03:35:11.639 --> 03:35:15.879 and just I guess, I guess my expectations are pretty low. 3984 03:35:17.120 --> 03:35:20.360 So it's more than exceeding that I'm. 3985 03:35:20.239 --> 03:35:22.719 Cutting them some pretty big slack because I've talked to 3986 03:35:22.760 --> 03:35:24.440 a bunch of people who are playing the beta and 3987 03:35:24.479 --> 03:35:27.239 they were saying all this shit was pretty much fixed, 3988 03:35:27.360 --> 03:35:30.000 like there was these things were not broken during the beta, 3989 03:35:30.799 --> 03:35:33.600 and sounds like because of the transfer to the Linux 3990 03:35:33.719 --> 03:35:37.680 back end and then transferring to Extension the Ascension back 3991 03:35:37.799 --> 03:35:40.239 end as well, that it just broke a lot of 3992 03:35:40.280 --> 03:35:43.239 stuff that they're now fixing. So I'm being much more 3993 03:35:43.520 --> 03:35:47.040 judicial in my opinion about it. Sometimes when I get like, oh, 3994 03:35:47.159 --> 03:35:50.200 not a broken quest, I'm like, well, it probably was 3995 03:35:50.319 --> 03:35:52.440 actually working, and now they're having to go back and 3996 03:35:52.479 --> 03:35:54.280 fix shit and get it get it right with the 3997 03:35:54.319 --> 03:35:57.120 right systems. So I am being a little bit more 3998 03:35:57.559 --> 03:36:00.760 cautious than just saying, well, another fucking quest you know, 3999 03:36:00.799 --> 03:36:02.959 three more in the zone not working, blah blah blah. 4000 03:36:02.959 --> 03:36:05.719 Well, I mean just to to push you a little 4001 03:36:05.719 --> 03:36:07.520 bit as well on that one vestige. If I can 4002 03:36:07.760 --> 03:36:12.319 say this as lovingly as I can. You know, I 4003 03:36:12.360 --> 03:36:18.000 know you you somewhat dispute the amount of skepticism or 4004 03:36:18.079 --> 03:36:20.959 pessimism that we might assign to you as you've discussed 4005 03:36:21.000 --> 03:36:23.799 this server over the last few weeks. But like you are, 4006 03:36:24.000 --> 03:36:26.440 you do. I don't know if holding it to a 4007 03:36:26.520 --> 03:36:28.680 high bar is because you've obviously just said that's not 4008 03:36:28.719 --> 03:36:32.760 necessarily necessarily the case, but like you are, someone who 4009 03:36:32.840 --> 03:36:35.600 might be quicker to pounce on this server for a 4010 03:36:35.639 --> 03:36:38.360 grand fuck up, like a big fuck up. But like 4011 03:36:38.399 --> 03:36:42.000 if you've if you've gone this far, vestige, you know, 4012 03:36:42.200 --> 03:36:44.600 you weren't necessarily sold on this server from the outset, 4013 03:36:44.639 --> 03:36:46.920 and you were you were sort of, you know, very 4014 03:36:48.079 --> 03:36:51.399 dealing with the server with a lot of trepidation. If 4015 03:36:51.399 --> 03:36:53.600 you've come this far and you're having the fun you've had, 4016 03:36:53.680 --> 03:36:55.959 I think you're still going. I think that's a good 4017 03:36:56.000 --> 03:36:56.799 sign for the server. 4018 03:36:58.959 --> 03:37:00.959 Well, my main critique in the beginning was more like 4019 03:37:00.959 --> 03:37:03.600 if you fucked something up that was foreseeable or something 4020 03:37:03.639 --> 03:37:05.799 that I said that you could have prevented, then that 4021 03:37:05.920 --> 03:37:09.360 is much more on you and the bad look. But 4022 03:37:09.600 --> 03:37:12.559 when it's something that is not foreseeable, like, hey, you 4023 03:37:12.559 --> 03:37:14.479 guys have gone through all this process of getting the 4024 03:37:14.479 --> 03:37:16.680 stuff up and running, and we said we want to 4025 03:37:16.719 --> 03:37:18.319 play it. We don't want to sit for two months, 4026 03:37:18.360 --> 03:37:19.920 so we know it's going to be on a buggy state. 4027 03:37:20.239 --> 03:37:22.760 So therefore that is what we're going to get. I'm 4028 03:37:22.799 --> 03:37:26.040 a lot more open to saying, hey, okay, this is 4029 03:37:26.120 --> 03:37:28.200 kind of the content we're going to get, either accepted 4030 03:37:28.319 --> 03:37:31.159 or wait two months. You know, that's on me at 4031 03:37:31.159 --> 03:37:34.399 that point to make that decision. But the content we 4032 03:37:34.520 --> 03:37:38.159 have gotten I've been very pleased with overall. I wish 4033 03:37:38.239 --> 03:37:40.239 some things were fixed. I wish some things were better. 4034 03:37:40.239 --> 03:37:42.079 I wish things were getting fixed a little faster that 4035 03:37:42.120 --> 03:37:44.600 were important to me. You know, my you know, surge 4036 03:37:44.600 --> 03:37:47.639 of light for healing isn't working properly after two three weeks, 4037 03:37:47.600 --> 03:37:50.159 and I'm like, I really wish that was working. But 4038 03:37:50.479 --> 03:37:52.760 at the same time, is it is it taking away 4039 03:37:52.840 --> 03:37:55.600 my full experience of what I'm having right now. Not 4040 03:37:55.719 --> 03:37:58.959 in the least. I'm not having things where I'm falling 4041 03:37:58.959 --> 03:38:01.799 through the world I'm not having things where I can't 4042 03:38:01.799 --> 03:38:04.159 get on the flight point or something like that, or 4043 03:38:04.200 --> 03:38:06.520 if I was a warrior charging and you just fall 4044 03:38:06.559 --> 03:38:08.799 through the world again or something like that. All the 4045 03:38:08.840 --> 03:38:13.959 bugs have been very minor, so overall, I've still had 4046 03:38:13.959 --> 03:38:15.280 a great experience with it. 4047 03:38:15.399 --> 03:38:15.760 There you go. 4048 03:38:15.879 --> 03:38:19.280 And that's what fucking rational people say, in my opinion, 4049 03:38:19.360 --> 03:38:19.719 not the game. 4050 03:38:19.959 --> 03:38:23.200 I think I am very fair. Of course, in my opinion, 4051 03:38:23.239 --> 03:38:26.280 I'm always fair, but I think that I'm very fair 4052 03:38:26.319 --> 03:38:28.799 in my criticism because I will criticize the things that 4053 03:38:28.799 --> 03:38:31.200 I feel are criticized that should be done right or 4054 03:38:31.399 --> 03:38:33.959 for fucked up, and I will praise the things I 4055 03:38:34.000 --> 03:38:35.360 think have been done very well. 4056 03:38:36.239 --> 03:38:38.120 Yeah, there you go. I don't know. I just I 4057 03:38:38.159 --> 03:38:40.680 just think if you're if you're a private server consumer 4058 03:38:41.440 --> 03:38:44.079 and you want to write this server off for its bugs, 4059 03:38:44.079 --> 03:38:47.680 and you're saying, like seriously around the place, you're saying 4060 03:38:47.680 --> 03:38:50.799 that people don't play EPOK, it's a buggy mess, it's 4061 03:38:50.799 --> 03:38:52.719 a fucking piece of shit. The server's on fire and 4062 03:38:52.799 --> 03:38:55.520 doesn't work. You're just kind of a bad faith actor 4063 03:38:55.559 --> 03:38:57.440 at this point, Like you're not a rational person. In 4064 03:38:57.440 --> 03:38:59.000 my personal opinion. 4065 03:38:59.120 --> 03:39:02.479 I was going to call it dramatic earlier. In my mind, 4066 03:39:02.520 --> 03:39:06.079 when I see people that are like that venomous or 4067 03:39:06.440 --> 03:39:09.040 can get that tilted that easily, I just picture them 4068 03:39:09.079 --> 03:39:11.040 to be the kind of person that like got cut 4069 03:39:11.079 --> 03:39:13.040 off in traffic and then they're a cunt to everyone 4070 03:39:13.079 --> 03:39:16.239 all day at work because of that one inconvenience. That's 4071 03:39:16.600 --> 03:39:20.000 that's what I attribute to them as, just like, how 4072 03:39:20.000 --> 03:39:22.200 did you let this get to you that bad? Like 4073 03:39:22.239 --> 03:39:25.399 the bugs aren't even that horrible. I genuinely aren't really 4074 03:39:25.440 --> 03:39:28.959 noticing any anymore. Anyway. Sometimes a mob might do something 4075 03:39:29.000 --> 03:39:32.440 weird in the dungeon, and I'm like, Eh, that could 4076 03:39:32.440 --> 03:39:34.760 be a bug, but it's not. Like it's not like 4077 03:39:34.799 --> 03:39:37.040 the mob glitched through the floor, became immune and just 4078 03:39:37.079 --> 03:39:39.399 farmed us to death and we couldn't finish the fucking dungeon. 4079 03:39:39.399 --> 03:39:41.319 That would be a bug. That would be fucking annoying. 4080 03:39:41.360 --> 03:39:43.440 And then that made you want to rage Quentin, delete 4081 03:39:43.440 --> 03:39:45.600 your account and tell everyone never to play this shitty game. 4082 03:39:46.239 --> 03:39:48.799 Yeah, and even then I probably still wouldn't be that bad, 4083 03:39:48.840 --> 03:39:51.959 But like, that would be an annoying bug. The mob 4084 03:39:52.079 --> 03:39:55.200 pathing funny around a table is not like a oh, 4085 03:39:55.280 --> 03:39:58.440 this is a fucking load of coated garbage, like, I 4086 03:39:58.479 --> 03:40:01.159 don't know, there's this Some people seem to get so 4087 03:40:01.280 --> 03:40:04.360 fucking butt hurt about stuff like that when it's just 4088 03:40:04.399 --> 03:40:06.639 a free game. Things could be worse. 4089 03:40:07.319 --> 03:40:09.799 Can I do a quick check in with you UBI 4090 03:40:10.120 --> 03:40:14.159 on your updated week by week, you know, finger on 4091 03:40:14.200 --> 03:40:17.200 the pulse of your attitude towards the cross faction thing, 4092 03:40:17.280 --> 03:40:20.520 because that's what I got well into it with this 4093 03:40:20.559 --> 03:40:23.680 one guy in the comments again, who was just in 4094 03:40:24.000 --> 03:40:26.680 sense that I enjoyed the cross faction play on this 4095 03:40:26.760 --> 03:40:30.280 server and begged Blizzard not to listen to me, Like, oh, 4096 03:40:30.280 --> 03:40:32.959 I fucking Blizzard, do not listen to this stupid can't 4097 03:40:33.319 --> 03:40:36.319 cross faction never belongs on any World of Warcraft server? 4098 03:40:36.440 --> 03:40:39.000 Oh my god, what a fucking idiot. And then, and 4099 03:40:39.079 --> 03:40:41.399 what I'll say is again, I have to throw this 4100 03:40:41.440 --> 03:40:44.799 out there, and I fucking mean it, like, you know, 4101 03:40:45.280 --> 03:40:48.079 don't just agree with me just because Josh likes cross 4102 03:40:48.079 --> 03:40:50.520 faction doesn't mean you guys have to agree with cross faction. 4103 03:40:51.079 --> 03:40:55.200 Fucking We've got three six night, four, twelve, sixteen, nineteen 4104 03:40:55.280 --> 03:40:58.600 people here on this call, none of whom I've invited 4105 03:40:58.680 --> 03:41:01.360 to be here outside of Ubiquitous, who I just texted 4106 03:41:01.399 --> 03:41:03.239 him this morning and said, Connor, you awake, get on 4107 03:41:03.280 --> 03:41:06.559 the podcast. No one has been asked to be here, 4108 03:41:06.639 --> 03:41:08.760 no one has been told what to say. You know, 4109 03:41:09.079 --> 03:41:13.159 I don't think I generally surround myself with people who 4110 03:41:13.200 --> 03:41:16.120 are afraid to say anything other than what I think. 4111 03:41:16.200 --> 03:41:18.440 I think the whole point of the show. And I've 4112 03:41:18.559 --> 03:41:21.959 argued with some of my fucking regular contributors on the show. 4113 03:41:22.040 --> 03:41:24.440 You Be and I have absolutely gone at it over 4114 03:41:24.479 --> 03:41:26.959 a point in the past. DC Green and I have 4115 03:41:27.360 --> 03:41:29.719 regularly gone at it on the past. Arcos and I 4116 03:41:29.760 --> 03:41:32.719 have fucking gone at it. These aren't yes men, these 4117 03:41:32.719 --> 03:41:35.399 are my mates. We just happen to agree, usually because 4118 03:41:35.520 --> 03:41:38.200 I don't know, because we fucking fall to the same conclusions. 4119 03:41:38.559 --> 03:41:41.959 But you Be, with all that said, you were very 4120 03:41:42.000 --> 03:41:45.600 anti cross faction. You've sounded as time goes by like 4121 03:41:45.639 --> 03:41:48.440 you've been warming up to the concept. And you know, 4122 03:41:48.559 --> 03:41:51.239 when I suggest that, hey, this is something Blizzard should 4123 03:41:51.280 --> 03:41:54.600 really look at, maybe particularly in regards to a PvE 4124 03:41:55.000 --> 03:41:57.680 realm in whatever they're cooking in the future, do you 4125 03:41:57.799 --> 03:42:01.600 still do stomach? Does your stomach do backflips at that suggestion? 4126 03:42:03.319 --> 03:42:06.719 I still don't like it. If I had my server 4127 03:42:06.879 --> 03:42:09.760 that had ten k pop because I'm a fan of 4128 03:42:09.799 --> 03:42:14.239 bigger servers. Anyway, if I was on a ten k 4129 03:42:14.360 --> 03:42:16.760 server with an active player base, I don't think it 4130 03:42:16.799 --> 03:42:19.280 would be needed. I feel like on here it is 4131 03:42:19.360 --> 03:42:22.959 because you can't be warped. There's a big difference between 4132 03:42:23.159 --> 03:42:25.559 this server having ten k players and it's a global 4133 03:42:25.600 --> 03:42:29.719 server and a single NA server having ten k players 4134 03:42:30.000 --> 03:42:32.159 and you all play around the same clock and it's 4135 03:42:32.319 --> 03:42:34.600 very you know, your peak is such a higher peak 4136 03:42:34.639 --> 03:42:38.879 than what the peaks are on here. I still wouldn't 4137 03:42:39.200 --> 03:42:41.440 go for it. I mean, but on a PvE realm, 4138 03:42:41.479 --> 03:42:43.479 I don't really care. Like I feel as if anything 4139 03:42:43.920 --> 03:42:48.479 on a PV realm you've opted out of the factions 4140 03:42:48.520 --> 03:42:51.719 being at war essentially, so then who really cares? But 4141 03:42:51.799 --> 03:42:53.399 I think that that's what they've done here anyway, Like 4142 03:42:53.440 --> 03:42:56.520 the PvP server isn't cross faction, which is fine, So 4143 03:42:56.600 --> 03:42:59.559 if I ever played on a PvE server, I wouldn't 4144 03:42:59.559 --> 03:43:03.319 care about it as much. But I still stand on 4145 03:43:03.360 --> 03:43:07.440 the ground that like I like it. It's it's been 4146 03:43:07.479 --> 03:43:10.719 a bit jarring where we've done runs and you know, 4147 03:43:10.959 --> 03:43:13.280 we've just helped each other clear this dungeon and the 4148 03:43:13.280 --> 03:43:16.360 guy was taking the piss, but the night off rogue 4149 03:43:16.399 --> 03:43:18.639 left group and then started to stab Voodoo in the 4150 03:43:18.639 --> 03:43:23.520 butt as a rogue before his Earth timer or Graveyard 4151 03:43:23.520 --> 03:43:26.719 timer kicked off. And I don't know, to me, that 4152 03:43:26.879 --> 03:43:29.399 is just a bit it's a bit strange. But then 4153 03:43:29.440 --> 03:43:31.879 I guess someone could just try and spin the storyline 4154 03:43:31.920 --> 03:43:34.639 of like, oh, well, we're we're friends because we've got 4155 03:43:34.639 --> 03:43:37.159 a common enemy, which was Scholarmance, but then once it's done, 4156 03:43:37.159 --> 03:43:40.079 we're back to not being friends anymore. I just find 4157 03:43:40.120 --> 03:43:42.120 that all a bit jarring for the I guess the 4158 03:43:42.159 --> 03:43:43.479 story or the immersion of it. 4159 03:43:43.600 --> 03:43:46.440 I I like stories like that because I'm like, we 4160 03:43:46.920 --> 03:43:50.680 keep prodding game designers to come up with ways to 4161 03:43:50.799 --> 03:43:54.000 allow people to take the bull by the horns and 4162 03:43:54.680 --> 03:43:59.159 create social engagement, and like that does exactly that that. 4163 03:44:00.000 --> 03:44:02.920 I ask someone to choose your own adventure. Do you 4164 03:44:02.959 --> 03:44:04.680 want to be a bit of a villain now? Do 4165 03:44:04.719 --> 03:44:06.399 you want to shank the guy in the back that 4166 03:44:06.440 --> 03:44:08.399 you just ran a dungeon with? Do you want to 4167 03:44:08.440 --> 03:44:12.600 be that guy? And some people are opting yes, I 4168 03:44:12.639 --> 03:44:14.840 do want to fuck it, Like for a game that 4169 03:44:15.040 --> 03:44:17.719 so many people want to kind of be a little 4170 03:44:17.719 --> 03:44:20.239 bit of a jerk and fuck around with to give 4171 03:44:20.280 --> 03:44:23.079 them an extra opportunity to do that. I don't see 4172 03:44:23.079 --> 03:44:26.920 the drama with I think it's funny. Yeah, but like 4173 03:44:27.600 --> 03:44:31.799 I just I just think people will often tap the 4174 03:44:31.840 --> 03:44:34.719 sign that you just tapp DOV and say the only 4175 03:44:34.840 --> 03:44:37.559 reason Epoch is doing it was out of necessity. They 4176 03:44:37.559 --> 03:44:40.079 didn't think they were going to have anyone playing. Private 4177 03:44:40.120 --> 03:44:43.399 servers have to do it because their populations tank and 4178 03:44:43.479 --> 03:44:45.719 you need to have both factions able to play together. 4179 03:44:46.120 --> 03:44:51.559 And I understand that that's why it's there, but it's 4180 03:44:51.639 --> 03:44:57.079 inadvertently created a really great experiment with a larger population 4181 03:44:57.280 --> 03:45:00.040 server that does have it. Yes, Epoch was supposed to 4182 03:45:00.159 --> 03:45:02.920 have four hundred people playing it that have to have 4183 03:45:03.000 --> 03:45:05.879 cross faction enabled in order to do any content. But 4184 03:45:06.000 --> 03:45:09.799 by dumb good luck, we're now on a fucking you know, 4185 03:45:10.000 --> 03:45:13.479 ten fifteen thousand strong server that does have a have 4186 03:45:13.680 --> 03:45:17.360 it enabled, and we get to we are running the 4187 03:45:17.399 --> 03:45:22.280 live beta test for does cross faction work. Let's say 4188 03:45:22.520 --> 03:45:25.319 let's say just on a PvE server. Leave the PvP 4189 03:45:25.399 --> 03:45:28.680 server like you PvP guys that need your immersion, Sure, 4190 03:45:28.799 --> 03:45:31.559 go off, we won't touch your server. But for PvE 4191 03:45:32.959 --> 03:45:35.040 we're now getting the beta test for whether or not 4192 03:45:35.079 --> 03:45:39.040 this shit works, and in my opinion, it takes nothing 4193 03:45:39.079 --> 03:45:44.399 away from the game and only adds. I continue to 4194 03:45:44.520 --> 03:45:49.280 run into person after person singing the praises of being 4195 03:45:49.399 --> 03:45:52.959 able to party with anyone they see, and they're not 4196 03:45:53.200 --> 03:45:57.600 adding the caveat that. Oh thank god I could group 4197 03:45:57.680 --> 03:46:00.639 up with this hardy. Otherwise I never would have been 4198 03:46:00.639 --> 03:46:03.200 able to get this quest done because of the low population. 4199 03:46:03.959 --> 03:46:07.920 No population's good on Epoch, It's great, but people are 4200 03:46:07.959 --> 03:46:12.280 still really enjoying the game, the access that the game 4201 03:46:12.360 --> 03:46:16.079 is giving them to get shit done. And I think 4202 03:46:16.120 --> 03:46:20.600 that the one complaint, or you know, the two complaints 4203 03:46:20.680 --> 03:46:24.120 really are I feel awkward having a member of the 4204 03:46:24.319 --> 03:46:26.920 opposite faction standing next to me in a dungeon, and 4205 03:46:27.120 --> 03:46:31.920 number two, like you just said, ubiquitous. I don't like 4206 03:46:32.079 --> 03:46:34.840 the jankiness of us being able to fight each other 4207 03:46:34.879 --> 03:46:38.239 as soon as we drop group. I just think that 4208 03:46:38.440 --> 03:46:43.719 they're so minor, Like your complaints are my benefits? 4209 03:46:44.879 --> 03:46:51.479 Yeah, no, I think you. I actually believe if Blizzard 4210 03:46:51.559 --> 03:46:55.200 did this it would shock the PvP Andy's at how 4211 03:46:55.280 --> 03:46:58.840 overwhelmingly popular your stance would be with the playerbase. Because 4212 03:46:59.520 --> 03:47:03.239 I can't really find a fault in it in terms 4213 03:47:03.319 --> 03:47:06.120 of the meta, Like every the only reason why the 4214 03:47:06.120 --> 03:47:08.879 good guilds are on PvP servers is just because, like 4215 03:47:09.200 --> 03:47:11.600 hive mind mentality, it's just where we've always gone and 4216 03:47:11.600 --> 03:47:14.120 where we've played. As soon as you enable this, but 4217 03:47:14.239 --> 03:47:18.159 only on PV realms, every single good guild will always 4218 03:47:18.200 --> 03:47:20.799 play on that server because it allows you to have 4219 03:47:20.879 --> 03:47:21.959 all the best races. 4220 03:47:25.840 --> 03:47:28.479 I agree, I'm so glad. 4221 03:47:27.000 --> 03:47:30.719 You play PvP servers except for the guy that wants 4222 03:47:30.719 --> 03:47:33.360 to gang everyone that he finds on the road, et cetera. 4223 03:47:34.600 --> 03:47:37.520 It would be a huge cultural shift for server struck 4224 03:47:37.680 --> 03:47:40.040 like balance and where people go to play. And I'm 4225 03:47:40.200 --> 03:47:42.760 I mean, I'm still I just say this, but if 4226 03:47:42.799 --> 03:47:45.879 that unfolded, I would play on the cross faction PV 4227 03:47:46.200 --> 03:47:51.159 realm because it would be like saying I like roller coasters, 4228 03:47:51.520 --> 03:47:54.319 but I'm not going to Disney World because they don't 4229 03:47:54.319 --> 03:47:56.760 have a roller coaster. The rest of the theme park 4230 03:47:56.840 --> 03:47:59.239 is still good. I'm gonna go, you know what I mean, Like, 4231 03:47:59.760 --> 03:48:02.520 just because it's missing this one facet that I personally 4232 03:48:02.559 --> 03:48:06.200 would have preferred, doesn't warrant the whole service sucking. And 4233 03:48:06.280 --> 03:48:09.280 I'm good at, you know, taking the positives I can 4234 03:48:09.319 --> 03:48:11.719 go like it would be convenient. It would be super 4235 03:48:11.760 --> 03:48:13.879 convenient to just like run this guild as we are 4236 03:48:14.360 --> 03:48:17.520 and not have to message people. Nah, sorry, you rolled 4237 03:48:17.520 --> 03:48:19.159 the wrong side. We can't play with you. I just 4238 03:48:19.200 --> 03:48:22.479 take the silver linings as they come. I'm just I 4239 03:48:22.520 --> 03:48:25.639 know that I would prefer It's like a selfish choice. 4240 03:48:25.680 --> 03:48:29.159 I would rather a PvP server with all its warts, 4241 03:48:29.200 --> 03:48:31.399 because I like the friction and I like the Horde 4242 03:48:31.479 --> 03:48:34.760 versus alliance. And then I say that if Classic Plus 4243 03:48:34.840 --> 03:48:37.360 rolls out with this exact service structure, I would probably 4244 03:48:37.399 --> 03:48:38.959 play the PvE cross faction realm. 4245 03:48:39.040 --> 03:48:41.559 I'm so glad you said it, and I'm almost angry 4246 03:48:41.600 --> 03:48:43.680 at you because I was going there next, but you've 4247 03:48:43.680 --> 03:48:46.399 said it more succinctly than me. But I fucking completely 4248 03:48:46.440 --> 03:48:48.280 agree with you, and I want to hear from you 4249 03:48:48.360 --> 03:48:50.000 other guys, whether or not you think you be and 4250 03:48:50.079 --> 03:48:52.079 I are on the money here, and obviously it's impossible 4251 03:48:52.079 --> 03:48:54.959 to predict sort of, but I want to know whether 4252 03:48:55.000 --> 03:48:58.239 you agree or disagree. I think that if Blizzard did this, 4253 03:48:59.120 --> 03:49:02.680 PvE so would become infinitely more popular. 4254 03:49:03.920 --> 03:49:07.360 Yeah, well, they might as well just do what they've 4255 03:49:07.360 --> 03:49:10.319 done in the modern game and just delete PvP servers, 4256 03:49:10.399 --> 03:49:14.680 create a war mode and move on from that. Yeah, 4257 03:49:14.760 --> 03:49:16.719 I think the cross faction thing. 4258 03:49:16.639 --> 03:49:19.360 Is I don't think they'd have the balls to do that. 4259 03:49:20.719 --> 03:49:23.879 No, I don't think they would, but like if they 4260 03:49:23.920 --> 03:49:27.719 were to cross faction, then they might as well because 4261 03:49:28.159 --> 03:49:28.879 it would I. 4262 03:49:28.920 --> 03:49:32.000 Don't think they need to delete that option. But I 4263 03:49:32.079 --> 03:49:34.319 definitely agree that by far the best part of this 4264 03:49:34.559 --> 03:49:38.040 server in my opinion, has been the cross faction nature. Specifically, 4265 03:49:38.159 --> 03:49:41.159 like from the guild standpoint, how many people come into 4266 03:49:41.159 --> 03:49:43.440 the discord and are like, what server are we on? 4267 03:49:43.479 --> 03:49:45.639 And then what faction are we on? Then we're just like, 4268 03:49:46.239 --> 03:49:49.159 we're on the PV server. Take your pick, play what 4269 03:49:49.200 --> 03:49:51.840 you want. You know, you don't have to be limited 4270 03:49:51.840 --> 03:49:52.479 in your selection. 4271 03:49:52.520 --> 03:49:54.520 Do you think it's fair? Can I just jump in axle? 4272 03:49:54.520 --> 03:49:55.959 Do you think it's fair for me to say if 4273 03:49:56.000 --> 03:49:58.479 I put this to you and again we talk about 4274 03:49:58.479 --> 03:50:00.399 shit that it's impossible to say which way have gone, 4275 03:50:00.399 --> 03:50:02.120 but we'll talk about it anyway because we're fuck with its. 4276 03:50:02.639 --> 03:50:05.760 If this server had let's say a poll released to 4277 03:50:05.879 --> 03:50:08.399 all the epop Let's say a pole is sent out 4278 03:50:08.440 --> 03:50:12.360 to the fifteen thousand people playing on Kazan right now 4279 03:50:12.600 --> 03:50:15.079 before Kazan is launched, and it has one question on 4280 03:50:15.120 --> 03:50:18.079 it and it says, do you want this realm to 4281 03:50:18.159 --> 03:50:22.079 be cross faction or not? Do you think the overwhelming 4282 03:50:22.120 --> 03:50:27.239 result to that pole would have been no? Is this 4283 03:50:27.319 --> 03:50:29.760 before we've experienced before, we've experienced it. 4284 03:50:30.920 --> 03:50:34.159 Before we experience it. I don't think it's overwhelming, but 4285 03:50:34.200 --> 03:50:36.920 I think it's probably majority would have said now. 4286 03:50:37.040 --> 03:50:39.559 I agree. I agree. I think the majority would have 4287 03:50:39.559 --> 03:50:42.239 said no because that's just what they've always known and 4288 03:50:42.280 --> 03:50:45.600 what they go with. More people than not do the 4289 03:50:45.719 --> 03:50:49.440 UBI thing of like cross faction. But then we are, fucking, 4290 03:50:49.479 --> 03:50:51.719 like I said, we're playing the beta of it right now, 4291 03:50:51.760 --> 03:50:55.520 we're experiencing it, and we go, oh, my mind is changed. 4292 03:50:55.680 --> 03:50:56.840 This is amazing. Sorry. 4293 03:50:56.920 --> 03:50:59.719 I also think I also think most people would really 4294 03:50:59.760 --> 03:51:03.920 prefer to play on PV servers. I mean, I know 4295 03:51:04.000 --> 03:51:05.959 the numbers always show that most people tend to play 4296 03:51:05.959 --> 03:51:09.079 on PvP, but I really feel like that's primarily driven 4297 03:51:09.120 --> 03:51:09.559 by film O. 4298 03:51:09.760 --> 03:51:13.879 Don't don't get me started. A want that's popular, don't 4299 03:51:13.879 --> 03:51:17.520 get me started, A hypertoxic take. I've got axl on. 4300 03:51:18.520 --> 03:51:20.920 I want to talk to like everyone who raises this. 4301 03:51:21.000 --> 03:51:23.360 If you're like, if I say to you, what do 4302 03:51:23.399 --> 03:51:25.760 you think about the PvE server and Classic plus being 4303 03:51:25.760 --> 03:51:28.239 cross faction and you go, no, absolutely not not in 4304 03:51:28.239 --> 03:51:33.120 my world of warcraft. I will get very toxic if 4305 03:51:33.159 --> 03:51:35.879 it then gets to a conversation about what server do 4306 03:51:35.920 --> 03:51:38.120 you play on. I play on a PvP server and 4307 03:51:38.159 --> 03:51:40.559 it's a ninety nine to one server, and like the 4308 03:51:40.600 --> 03:51:45.040 way that we see what the degradation of PvP servers 4309 03:51:45.040 --> 03:51:47.440 and what the classic player base really wants to do, 4310 03:51:47.920 --> 03:51:50.360 which is just play the game without any fucking speed 4311 03:51:50.360 --> 03:51:52.520 bumps and to be on the ninety nine to one server, 4312 03:51:53.600 --> 03:51:56.520 and if they then want to rally against cross faction, like, 4313 03:51:56.760 --> 03:51:59.360 do you not see how those two stances don't compute. 4314 03:52:01.000 --> 03:52:04.200 Yeah? I mean for me, my PvP server turning into 4315 03:52:04.200 --> 03:52:06.680 the ninety ninety one server in twenty eighteen is what 4316 03:52:06.879 --> 03:52:08.799 totally changed me into a PV player. 4317 03:52:11.079 --> 03:52:13.840 I don't like, I'll never be that guy that changes 4318 03:52:13.920 --> 03:52:18.319 to a PV player. I can say that with conviction. 4319 03:52:19.520 --> 03:52:22.200 The only reason why I'm playing on this server is 4320 03:52:22.239 --> 03:52:23.879 because there was a war mode. I wouldn't have even 4321 03:52:23.920 --> 03:52:27.600 tried Epoch if there wasn't. It's not a great system, 4322 03:52:27.719 --> 03:52:31.680 but it's a system. Nonetheless, can I say enough to 4323 03:52:31.719 --> 03:52:32.280 get me over that? 4324 03:52:32.399 --> 03:52:34.239 Marcus? Can I sorry? Can I just grab you by 4325 03:52:34.239 --> 03:52:37.280 that and ask about your experiences, because like I turned 4326 03:52:37.360 --> 03:52:39.399 warm mode off early and we had a bit of 4327 03:52:39.399 --> 03:52:41.079 fun with with giving me a bit of stick for that. 4328 03:52:41.239 --> 03:52:45.799 But like I through the leveling process, I am tripping 4329 03:52:45.879 --> 03:52:49.559 over a squillion people that I mouse over and be like, 4330 03:52:49.760 --> 03:52:52.319 I could open up on this guy if I wanted to, Like, 4331 03:52:52.559 --> 03:52:56.200 there is PvP for me everywhere if I want it, 4332 03:52:56.280 --> 03:52:59.079 But obviously I've been staying away this time. Have you 4333 03:52:59.200 --> 03:53:01.920 been engaging with then still found all your stinks that 4334 03:53:01.959 --> 03:53:04.399 you want to find? 4335 03:53:04.639 --> 03:53:09.000 Like I haven't been actively seeking world PvP as much. 4336 03:53:09.799 --> 03:53:13.079 I've started a couple of fights, but the fights that 4337 03:53:13.159 --> 03:53:16.639 the people who are left with war mode on because like, 4338 03:53:16.840 --> 03:53:21.200 let's remember that it's a cast time to flag yourself 4339 03:53:21.200 --> 03:53:25.200 at PvP in the open world if you don't have 4340 03:53:25.239 --> 03:53:29.399 warmode on. So I've had people try and then realize 4341 03:53:29.399 --> 03:53:32.680 that they have to cast it and then just not 4342 03:53:32.719 --> 03:53:34.200 want to do it because they don't get the jump 4343 03:53:34.200 --> 03:53:35.840 with me. But the people who are left here at 4344 03:53:35.840 --> 03:53:38.120 the moment after how long is it's been out for 4345 03:53:38.280 --> 03:53:43.040 like five weeks? Or something, mostly decent people. I don't 4346 03:53:43.079 --> 03:53:47.360 see gang squads going around so often. I've seen a few, 4347 03:53:47.479 --> 03:53:51.440 like war crimes get committed, but people like will fight 4348 03:53:51.680 --> 03:53:54.399 and then I'll get a message of good duel or whatever, 4349 03:53:54.520 --> 03:53:56.360 or I'll send a message of good duel and then 4350 03:53:56.399 --> 03:53:58.559 we might chat about it for five minutes and then 4351 03:53:58.719 --> 03:54:00.840 just move on. There's no camp. People are just wanting 4352 03:54:00.840 --> 03:54:03.760 to get their quest done or whatever. It's not very 4353 03:54:03.760 --> 03:54:04.479 toxic at all. 4354 03:54:04.559 --> 03:54:07.360 To be fair, two weeks ago, I was on the 4355 03:54:07.360 --> 03:54:09.600 show saying I've turned war mode off. I'm not in 4356 03:54:09.600 --> 03:54:11.760 the fucking mood. I'm not doing this because I did 4357 03:54:11.760 --> 03:54:14.040 come across a gang squad. But what I'll add to 4358 03:54:14.079 --> 03:54:17.159 that story is that was like two or three weeks ago. 4359 03:54:18.000 --> 03:54:20.879 I think you're spot on, Marcus, because I haven't seen 4360 03:54:20.959 --> 03:54:25.040 a single gang squad since I turned warmde off, and 4361 03:54:25.399 --> 03:54:28.000 I don't have regrets. Don't get me wrong, but like 4362 03:54:28.040 --> 03:54:32.280 what I'm getting at is, it's just been interesting to 4363 03:54:32.319 --> 03:54:35.040 me because everyone gives, you know, war mode shit, everyone 4364 03:54:35.040 --> 03:54:38.559 gives pvee REALM shit. But I'm like, I am a 4365 03:54:38.559 --> 03:54:41.760 PvP player. I'm a relatively bloodthirsty PvP player, but I've 4366 03:54:41.760 --> 03:54:44.719 decided to take a bit of a holiday. But I 4367 03:54:44.760 --> 03:54:48.680 look throwing out only my experiences. I shit you not, 4368 03:54:48.760 --> 03:54:52.559 with no hyperbole. Nine out of ten members of the 4369 03:54:52.600 --> 03:54:57.000 opposite faction that I come across in my questing is attackable, 4370 03:54:57.559 --> 03:55:00.760 like and I every time I mouse over every single 4371 03:55:00.760 --> 03:55:03.319 one of them because I'm a psychopath, And I go, Oh, 4372 03:55:03.479 --> 03:55:05.799 if I wanted to, I could. If I wanted to, 4373 03:55:05.920 --> 03:55:08.879 I could, but I ultimately decide not to. But what 4374 03:55:08.879 --> 03:55:11.840 I'm getting at is, even though I am on the 4375 03:55:11.959 --> 03:55:17.360 PvE realm, with this war mode introduction, I could have 4376 03:55:17.680 --> 03:55:21.680 happily had the exact same experience leveling I would have 4377 03:55:21.680 --> 03:55:24.840 had on a PvP realm. 4378 03:55:25.000 --> 03:55:27.639 Yeah, more or less. That's like I'm saying, I do 4379 03:55:27.680 --> 03:55:30.360 see a lot of people. Sometimes we fight, sometimes we don't. 4380 03:55:30.360 --> 03:55:33.879 It's like similar to a PvP realm. Yeah. Yeah. And 4381 03:55:34.000 --> 03:55:35.600 I'll just go on the record here now, and I 4382 03:55:35.680 --> 03:55:38.600 hope you hold me to this, Josh, But I'm going 4383 03:55:38.639 --> 03:55:42.959 to be an advocate for the removal of the PvP 4384 03:55:43.200 --> 03:55:46.040 server and the addition of a war mode for Classic Class. 4385 03:55:46.159 --> 03:55:48.760 There you go, it's one. It's won you over. Wow. 4386 03:55:49.559 --> 03:55:52.200 Yeah, I think it's it's probably just gonna be better 4387 03:55:52.399 --> 03:55:56.319 for participation overall, like just in the game. So and 4388 03:55:56.639 --> 03:56:00.239 you're not really gonna like there's a chance that as 4389 03:56:00.280 --> 03:56:03.200 long as it's done right, it's not necessarily done right 4390 03:56:03.239 --> 03:56:03.879 in the modern game. 4391 03:56:04.000 --> 03:56:08.440 Well, can I give you my theory, Marcus on why 4392 03:56:08.479 --> 03:56:13.120 I think people Okay, here's my theory on what the 4393 03:56:13.200 --> 03:56:19.680 war mode option robs the server of and the kind 4394 03:56:19.680 --> 03:56:22.760 of people that will be upset by it. Here's what 4395 03:56:22.920 --> 03:56:26.239 is not happening on Project Epoch on the PvE server. 4396 03:56:27.120 --> 03:56:29.559 And this is going to depend you know, you'll feel 4397 03:56:29.559 --> 03:56:34.520 differently about this depending on how you specifically define PvP, 4398 03:56:34.760 --> 03:56:36.760 because we've talked about this on the show in previous 4399 03:56:36.879 --> 03:56:40.239 editions on I seemed and you and I seem to 4400 03:56:40.280 --> 03:56:44.600 have very different definitions of PvP to other players' markets. Now, 4401 03:56:45.120 --> 03:56:49.280 what you won't find on Epoch on Kazan is large 4402 03:56:49.319 --> 03:56:54.159 scale PvP combat. You will not see group on group action. 4403 03:56:54.799 --> 03:56:58.479 You will not see raid on raid action. You don't 4404 03:56:58.479 --> 03:57:02.000 see the Taro mill, these south Shore type fights. You 4405 03:57:02.079 --> 03:57:06.639 won't see, you know, anything outside of a one on one, 4406 03:57:06.719 --> 03:57:08.680 a two v one or a three v one or 4407 03:57:08.760 --> 03:57:11.959 three v two. You just won't see large groups going 4408 03:57:12.000 --> 03:57:15.879 at it. Most I've come to learn. If I've come 4409 03:57:15.920 --> 03:57:18.959 to learn anything over the years with WOW players, it's this, 4410 03:57:19.920 --> 03:57:25.680 most of you think of a PvP MMO as PvP 4411 03:57:25.920 --> 03:57:31.879 equals group combat, not one on ones. You guys genuinely 4412 03:57:31.959 --> 03:57:35.920 think any one on one, even in good faith, me 4413 03:57:36.120 --> 03:57:38.680 walking by you on the road, both of us at 4414 03:57:38.680 --> 03:57:42.159 one hundred health, I start a fight with you, you 4415 03:57:42.440 --> 03:57:48.520 generally term that as ganking, not PvP. I think that's ridiculous, 4416 03:57:48.559 --> 03:57:52.040 because that's how I define PvP in this game. I'm like, 4417 03:57:52.399 --> 03:57:56.840 I play PvP servers because I relish the one v 4418 03:57:56.959 --> 03:58:00.360 one challenge of MEVU. Let's fucking do this where about 4419 03:58:00.399 --> 03:58:02.520 the same level. I want to see who fucking gets 4420 03:58:02.559 --> 03:58:05.479 the win here. That's what I've been all about for years, 4421 03:58:05.799 --> 03:58:08.920 and I've walked away from PvP as I've learnt that 4422 03:58:08.920 --> 03:58:11.840 that's not how the vast majority of the players view it. 4423 03:58:11.920 --> 03:58:14.840 They're like, I've got no interest in the one v one. 4424 03:58:15.280 --> 03:58:18.079 I will only PvP when I'm in a group, when 4425 03:58:18.079 --> 03:58:20.319 I can sort of hide, when I can sort of 4426 03:58:20.360 --> 03:58:23.280 not get attacked, when I cannot be the focus, when 4427 03:58:23.319 --> 03:58:25.840 I can get the win if I am as shorter 4428 03:58:26.079 --> 03:58:29.559 victory and it's a group that's the kind of PvP 4429 03:58:29.760 --> 03:58:32.920 I want in my MMO. I want to gang up. 4430 03:58:33.600 --> 03:58:36.920 But when you're a solo or in smaller groups, that's 4431 03:58:36.959 --> 03:58:39.440 not the PvP that you like, and you want no 4432 03:58:39.600 --> 03:58:42.319 part of it in your MMO because then you could 4433 03:58:42.319 --> 03:58:44.159 lose and that would show the world the size of 4434 03:58:44.200 --> 03:58:46.479 your penis, and you don't like that because you're probably 4435 03:58:46.479 --> 03:58:53.040 actually not very good at PvP. So if anything, warmode 4436 03:58:53.200 --> 03:58:57.280 warm mode boils down this server to exactly the kind 4437 03:58:57.319 --> 03:59:00.840 of PvP that you and I fucking love my Like 4438 03:59:00.879 --> 03:59:04.159 I said, the amount of times I've been like, oh mate, 4439 03:59:04.520 --> 03:59:07.440 I'm in the middle of nowhere in Tanners and I've 4440 03:59:07.479 --> 03:59:09.879 just spotted this bloke that I could attack if I want, 4441 03:59:10.120 --> 03:59:12.879 and this would be a really fucking fun fight, fun 4442 03:59:12.959 --> 03:59:16.159 fight right now, but I'm chilling. I don't do it. 4443 03:59:16.239 --> 03:59:18.920 I've gotten into the PvE mode. But if I was 4444 03:59:18.959 --> 03:59:22.280 still bloodthirsty, Josh, I'd be having a fucking whale of 4445 03:59:22.280 --> 03:59:25.120 a time right now. But that good time is someone 4446 03:59:25.120 --> 03:59:28.120 else's very bad time. And you know you know where 4447 03:59:28.159 --> 03:59:30.600 I'm going with this, Marcus, what say you, Ubie? Sorry 4448 03:59:30.600 --> 03:59:31.799 you were going to say something. 4449 03:59:31.559 --> 03:59:38.879 Go I've been lost by your rant, But I was 4450 03:59:38.959 --> 03:59:42.840 going to mention that I've really not like I have 4451 03:59:42.959 --> 03:59:46.799 had war mode on the whole time and nothing really 4452 03:59:46.840 --> 03:59:50.200 seems to happen. I've got ganked once during this pod 4453 03:59:50.479 --> 03:59:52.799 because it was a warrior in a ferral, you know, 4454 03:59:52.840 --> 03:59:53.680 the old TV one. 4455 03:59:53.799 --> 03:59:54.000 Yep. 4456 03:59:54.239 --> 03:59:57.040 Probably they're only ganked this week because they found they 4457 03:59:57.079 --> 03:59:58.719 finally found someone they could gang up on. 4458 03:59:58.879 --> 04:00:01.840 Can I I tell you just to add to that. Now, Look, 4459 04:00:01.879 --> 04:00:03.719 you can all laugh at me because my slash plate 4460 04:00:03.799 --> 04:00:05.440 is ridiculous, and we'll have a laugh when I'm doing 4461 04:00:05.520 --> 04:00:08.040 sixty and see what the final figure is. But I'm 4462 04:00:08.120 --> 04:00:11.399 now coming up on nine days Slash played NIME level. 4463 04:00:11.639 --> 04:00:13.440 Like I said, I'm about to doing fifty five. I'm 4464 04:00:13.440 --> 04:00:18.360 fucking out of control. I in that two hundred hour 4465 04:00:18.520 --> 04:00:23.920 so yet what fucking two hundred odd hour journey? I shit, 4466 04:00:24.079 --> 04:00:32.719 you not ubiquitous. I have seen witnessed maybe three PvP 4467 04:00:33.000 --> 04:00:34.120 fights along the way. 4468 04:00:36.079 --> 04:00:39.040 Yeah, it's that's what I said. I think I said 4469 04:00:39.079 --> 04:00:41.719 this a couple of weeks ago. I think for me, 4470 04:00:42.079 --> 04:00:44.319 a big part of it is it's just an additional 4471 04:00:44.399 --> 04:00:49.280 veil of threat while you're out questing, and like you know, 4472 04:00:49.319 --> 04:00:52.239 I'm in Western playlends now still just dicking around, and 4473 04:00:53.040 --> 04:00:55.159 you go to the farms and you're trying to kill 4474 04:00:55.200 --> 04:00:58.680 some shit. It's a whole different vibe when there's another 4475 04:00:58.799 --> 04:01:00.760 no mage there on the other side of the field 4476 04:01:00.879 --> 04:01:02.959 doing their thing and you're doing your thing and they're 4477 04:01:03.000 --> 04:01:06.520 red and when they're just blue, like who gives a fuck? 4478 04:01:06.799 --> 04:01:10.120 And even though ninety percent of the time neither of 4479 04:01:10.159 --> 04:01:11.879 you are going to do anything to the other one, 4480 04:01:12.280 --> 04:01:15.959 it is just that maybe maybe maybe maybe he's going 4481 04:01:16.040 --> 04:01:18.159 to do something, and then you do your question, you leave. 4482 04:01:18.520 --> 04:01:20.639 I don't know why. I feel like that actually does 4483 04:01:20.680 --> 04:01:23.520 add a bit. And that's why I like that, even 4484 04:01:23.520 --> 04:01:25.559 though like nothing actually ends up happening, you know what 4485 04:01:25.600 --> 04:01:27.280 I mean. It's the this the. 4486 04:01:27.360 --> 04:01:29.959 Risk, this this server, Marcus, I'd love to hear from 4487 04:01:29.959 --> 04:01:33.440 you on this one. This server if anything, proves my 4488 04:01:33.639 --> 04:01:38.680 ongoing hypothesis that WOW players are generally dickless fuck withs 4489 04:01:38.719 --> 04:01:42.479 who are terrified of PvP because they've all got warmode on. 4490 04:01:42.719 --> 04:01:45.000 They fucking all do and they could be going ham 4491 04:01:45.079 --> 04:01:49.399 on each other, but because they're not seeing group PvP, 4492 04:01:50.280 --> 04:01:51.920 they're not starting anything up. 4493 04:01:53.680 --> 04:01:56.319 Yeah, I mean, like the group PvP side of things, 4494 04:01:56.360 --> 04:01:58.840 Like I enjoy all of it not so much that 4495 04:01:59.079 --> 04:02:01.440 just like relentless camping of a town because there's like 4496 04:02:01.479 --> 04:02:03.159 three people there and you just ruin in a day. 4497 04:02:03.239 --> 04:02:06.799 I've kind of grown out of that shit. But yeah, 4498 04:02:06.799 --> 04:02:08.559 I enjoy all of it. But yeah, you could be 4499 04:02:08.600 --> 04:02:12.520 on the money. People just or they've got other shit 4500 04:02:12.600 --> 04:02:16.239 to do. They can't be fucked with it. But and 4501 04:02:16.280 --> 04:02:18.559 they just want the five percent XP bonus. That's the 4502 04:02:18.600 --> 04:02:21.920 other thing. There's a carrot here that keeps people with 4503 04:02:22.040 --> 04:02:22.639 war mode on. 4504 04:02:22.920 --> 04:02:26.319 Ye, So yeah, go go faction thing. 4505 04:02:27.239 --> 04:02:29.079 So I had a lovely account the other day. 4506 04:02:29.280 --> 04:02:30.239 Okay, cross faction. 4507 04:02:30.760 --> 04:02:33.040 I spoke to a I did a Stockades run and 4508 04:02:33.120 --> 04:02:36.280 it was with a Hord player. Horde Loyalist played since 4509 04:02:36.360 --> 04:02:39.120 Vanilla had never done stockades and the only reason he 4510 04:02:39.159 --> 04:02:41.399 could is because literally he could get into a group 4511 04:02:41.440 --> 04:02:43.799 and get summoned. And I thought that was amazing for 4512 04:02:43.840 --> 04:02:46.799 a guy to be able to experience new content for 4513 04:02:46.920 --> 04:02:50.440 him since Vanilla days because he's just never gone a line, 4514 04:02:50.520 --> 04:02:52.479 so you can't get to go play stockades. 4515 04:02:52.559 --> 04:02:54.239 And I was like, that's amazing, Like. 4516 04:02:54.520 --> 04:02:57.719 That's a good side of this cross faction play. 4517 04:02:58.920 --> 04:03:02.040 I was going to say, exact same thing. Man, I'm 4518 04:03:02.079 --> 04:03:05.680 playing an Alliance character right now, and it's almost impossible. 4519 04:03:05.719 --> 04:03:08.600 When you're playing an Alliance character, usually define groups for stuff 4520 04:03:08.600 --> 04:03:11.280 like whaling, Caverncery, chaof and keep. That's like on the 4521 04:03:11.399 --> 04:03:14.479 acid of the Earth for you, and it's so easy here, 4522 04:03:14.559 --> 04:03:15.280 it's incredible. 4523 04:03:17.760 --> 04:03:20.000 Good points, good points. Hadn't thought of. 4524 04:03:19.920 --> 04:03:23.040 The old points. But I'll add also to my view 4525 04:03:23.399 --> 04:03:27.360 that I don't really think that war mode should be 4526 04:03:27.440 --> 04:03:31.559 faction specific in class either. It's radical, I know, but 4527 04:03:32.639 --> 04:03:37.159 I'm faction agnostic. I'll play whatever faction my mates are playing. 4528 04:03:37.239 --> 04:03:41.479 I don't care if it's Alliance or Horde. And it's 4529 04:03:41.520 --> 04:03:44.760 the same with fighting other players. I don't care if 4530 04:03:44.799 --> 04:03:46.559 they're Alliance or Hoard. I just want to punch on. 4531 04:03:46.879 --> 04:03:48.079 That's yeah. 4532 04:03:48.200 --> 04:03:51.079 My only thing with that is on a large scale server, 4533 04:03:51.200 --> 04:03:53.879 if it is a free for all, it could turn 4534 04:03:53.920 --> 04:03:56.639 into like an eye can't get anything done server. But 4535 04:03:57.079 --> 04:03:58.959 if they engage with it, like they're engaging on this 4536 04:03:59.000 --> 04:04:01.719 server and no one's actually fucking fighting anyone because there 4537 04:04:02.040 --> 04:04:04.040 they don't view one v ones as PvP, they only 4538 04:04:04.120 --> 04:04:09.079 view group content as PvP, then maybe you're okay, maybe I. 4539 04:04:09.079 --> 04:04:12.680 Mean percent sure, So I ninety nine percent sure. I 4540 04:04:12.719 --> 04:04:15.600 saw a post that said they were putting special people 4541 04:04:15.639 --> 04:04:20.639 inside the agrama so you could change faction on Gurubashi 4542 04:04:20.719 --> 04:04:23.000 because it is so hard alliance in that. 4543 04:04:23.200 --> 04:04:27.079 No, surely not what I saw a post. 4544 04:04:27.319 --> 04:04:28.200 Yeah you didn't see that. 4545 04:04:28.840 --> 04:04:31.600 I missed this on the other survey, not this one. 4546 04:04:31.680 --> 04:04:34.479 No, No, they change actions on Gurubashi. 4547 04:04:35.360 --> 04:04:35.600 Yep. 4548 04:04:35.719 --> 04:04:41.479 Yeah, wow, was about it from BVP. 4549 04:04:43.879 --> 04:04:46.719 There you go, and that's I mean, so it's just 4550 04:04:46.799 --> 04:04:49.760 living the modern PvP life of it turned into a 4551 04:04:49.760 --> 04:04:51.879 fucking eighty twenty server instantly did. 4552 04:04:51.760 --> 04:04:53.680 It's just what I had. 4553 04:04:54.479 --> 04:04:56.799 No, it's only like sixty forty right now, but they 4554 04:04:56.879 --> 04:04:58.600 just want to prevent it from happening. They also said 4555 04:04:58.639 --> 04:05:02.239 they were going to consider doing an incentive similar to 4556 04:05:02.680 --> 04:05:06.000 the word mode bonuses for the I believe it's the 4557 04:05:06.000 --> 04:05:08.079 alliance is the smile faction right now. 4558 04:05:09.600 --> 04:05:11.000 To get people to swap. 4559 04:05:11.680 --> 04:05:13.399 I think I said a couple of weeks ago as well, 4560 04:05:13.399 --> 04:05:15.879 that's what I Ultimately, if you had to really force 4561 04:05:15.920 --> 04:05:18.159 the issue, that's where I would go. I'd just rather 4562 04:05:18.559 --> 04:05:23.000 rather a factionless well than all this bullshit. If PvP 4563 04:05:23.159 --> 04:05:26.760 servers historic like as they are now, are so fucking dreadful, 4564 04:05:27.120 --> 04:05:30.120 I would just rather be gone with factions entirely. But 4565 04:05:30.200 --> 04:05:32.520 that's again, you may as well just be looking at 4566 04:05:32.520 --> 04:05:34.280 a different mmo than what a walker offt. 4567 04:05:34.280 --> 04:05:37.639 The problem is PvP servers just continue to be a headache. 4568 04:05:37.760 --> 04:05:43.079 They are an administrative fucking headache. I'm not saying delete 4569 04:05:43.120 --> 04:05:46.719 PvP servers, but I'm saying you better have the balls 4570 04:05:46.799 --> 04:05:51.000 to introduce some pretty fucking hard like, some harsh rules 4571 04:05:51.040 --> 04:05:54.879 and new modern ways of tackling these servers, because the 4572 04:05:54.920 --> 04:05:57.760 old like just open up a PvP server and let 4573 04:05:57.760 --> 04:06:00.760 them go health the leather doesn't work anymore twenty five. 4574 04:06:00.879 --> 04:06:04.280 They devolve in quickly into what we always see. 4575 04:06:07.559 --> 04:06:10.000 Can I give some criticism of cross faction PvP? 4576 04:06:10.200 --> 04:06:10.399 Yeah? 4577 04:06:10.440 --> 04:06:12.159 Please go nuts. 4578 04:06:12.879 --> 04:06:15.879 So I was doing a gentha the lore in Hinterland 4579 04:06:16.159 --> 04:06:18.600 the other day and I got a cross faction group 4580 04:06:18.680 --> 04:06:23.440 with three Alliance and two Hord. I'm Hord, and halfway through, 4581 04:06:23.600 --> 04:06:26.040 all of a sudden, an Alliance group, a full Alliance 4582 04:06:26.079 --> 04:06:28.000 group just come by and kill all the horrid people, 4583 04:06:28.000 --> 04:06:30.719 which is us. And I'm of course yelling at my 4584 04:06:30.760 --> 04:06:33.440 teammates like fucking do something, come on, heal me. Let's 4585 04:06:33.760 --> 04:06:36.040 you know I'm getting my ass kicked over here. By 4586 04:06:36.040 --> 04:06:38.360 these guys and they just like, dude, we're alliance. We 4587 04:06:38.399 --> 04:06:41.040 can't do shit. And I was like, oh fuck, yeah, 4588 04:06:41.319 --> 04:06:43.440 half my group is alliance. They can't help me. 4589 04:06:44.520 --> 04:06:46.280 Yeah, I've had so they can heal. 4590 04:06:46.399 --> 04:06:48.319 That is awkward. They can heal you, but yeah, that 4591 04:06:48.399 --> 04:06:49.319 is awkward. I get that. 4592 04:06:50.280 --> 04:06:53.680 Yeah, well, they were like all rogues and warriors. I 4593 04:06:53.719 --> 04:06:57.799 was the healer, so I have definitely. 4594 04:07:00.040 --> 04:07:02.440 I had exactly the same thing in the exact same place, 4595 04:07:02.559 --> 04:07:06.280 and my ally party mates were pleading to their own 4596 04:07:06.319 --> 04:07:10.000 faction to stop camping me and someone else because we 4597 04:07:10.079 --> 04:07:12.959 were hoared and they were having their own fucking quarrel. 4598 04:07:12.959 --> 04:07:16.000 Then of calling each other dipshits because they were griefing 4599 04:07:16.040 --> 04:07:18.159 their own fucking faction because they were griefing me. 4600 04:07:18.600 --> 04:07:20.959 And that's fashionless. That wouldn't be a problem, right. 4601 04:07:21.719 --> 04:07:22.079 Yeah. 4602 04:07:22.120 --> 04:07:23.879 That was one of those times where I'm like, this 4603 04:07:24.040 --> 04:07:27.399 is so stupid to have like cross factions. Cool, but 4604 04:07:27.479 --> 04:07:30.159 not on a PvP server or any like a server 4605 04:07:30.239 --> 04:07:32.799 that lets you enable PvP. So obviously I've done it 4606 04:07:32.799 --> 04:07:33.360 to myself. 4607 04:07:33.520 --> 04:07:37.520 What you need there is you need a coding and yeah, 4608 04:07:37.559 --> 04:07:39.879 this is where the factionless part comes in. You need 4609 04:07:39.959 --> 04:07:44.079 coding in that scenario that if someone attacks a member 4610 04:07:44.120 --> 04:07:47.680 of your party, regardless of their faction, you can punch on. 4611 04:07:48.920 --> 04:07:51.559 Yeah, there should be something that allows everybody. 4612 04:07:53.959 --> 04:07:56.920 Or if they implement like if you're in a if 4613 04:07:56.959 --> 04:08:00.239 you're in a group and you're the minority faction in 4614 04:08:00.280 --> 04:08:03.799 the group, like the other faction shouldn't be able to 4615 04:08:03.840 --> 04:08:05.000 attack you at all. 4616 04:08:06.639 --> 04:08:09.399 Yeah, I think I reckon it should probably disable my 4617 04:08:09.520 --> 04:08:12.600 war mode once I've partied with other non warm mode 4618 04:08:12.639 --> 04:08:14.360 people potentially or something like that. 4619 04:08:14.399 --> 04:08:16.840 I don't know, but there's there's workarounds. There are ways 4620 04:08:16.920 --> 04:08:20.760 to make that awkwardness work. I for one, I prefer 4621 04:08:20.879 --> 04:08:22.719 I know what I prefer, Like I just said, I'd 4622 04:08:22.760 --> 04:08:26.239 be like, if you're going to be the dipshit that 4623 04:08:26.440 --> 04:08:31.159 engages and tries to grief another party, knowing that, oh 4624 04:08:31.239 --> 04:08:34.319 we can wipe two of their members and and you know, 4625 04:08:34.440 --> 04:08:37.799 grief this party and the others can't fight back, No no, no, 4626 04:08:38.000 --> 04:08:41.000 fuck that make it a choice now because now everyone 4627 04:08:41.040 --> 04:08:42.239 it's on five E five. 4628 04:08:43.959 --> 04:08:45.719 Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'd be all. 4629 04:08:48.280 --> 04:08:52.239 I mean a hundred situations where healing the opposite faction 4630 04:08:52.360 --> 04:08:55.959 who is in my party and them killing my faction 4631 04:08:56.360 --> 04:08:59.600 slash you know, vice versa of like me killing the 4632 04:08:59.639 --> 04:09:03.719 Upside faction while the the I'm alliance and Aulardy was 4633 04:09:03.760 --> 04:09:05.479 healing me because we were already in a group and 4634 04:09:05.520 --> 04:09:08.479 we were trying to get you done. I think they 4635 04:09:08.520 --> 04:09:11.280 may there may have even been PvP credit for doing. 4636 04:09:11.040 --> 04:09:15.600 So, yeah, they have. They'd have got the people who 4637 04:09:15.600 --> 04:09:17.639 were killing you, would have had the chance for the 4638 04:09:17.680 --> 04:09:19.760 bloody token, and they would have got their quest credit. 4639 04:09:21.280 --> 04:09:24.680 But I'm fairly sure that the reason why this all 4640 04:09:24.719 --> 04:09:27.360 sucked way less is because people figured out that I 4641 04:09:27.360 --> 04:09:30.360 don't think bloody tokens are shared loot, and I don't 4642 04:09:30.399 --> 04:09:32.520 think the kill credit for those quests are shared either. 4643 04:09:32.719 --> 04:09:35.680 So going around it as a group of five was 4644 04:09:35.840 --> 04:09:38.479 just pointless because you were just now you had to 4645 04:09:38.520 --> 04:09:41.360 go kill twenty five players instead of just soloing five. 4646 04:09:41.479 --> 04:09:44.079 So the quests are actually designed to try and feel 4647 04:09:44.079 --> 04:09:46.639 one v ones and stuff out in the world. If 4648 04:09:46.680 --> 04:09:49.319 you're as if you're as a group of three, then 4649 04:09:49.360 --> 04:09:50.760 you just be in a cunt, which is still a 4650 04:09:50.799 --> 04:09:53.520 completely viable life choice to make in the game who cares. 4651 04:09:53.559 --> 04:09:57.760 But at least the quests aren't encouraging just grouping up 4652 04:09:57.760 --> 04:10:02.559 and being dickheads together. And when I was rushing through 4653 04:10:02.600 --> 04:10:05.360 when I was in STV. I think it took half 4654 04:10:05.360 --> 04:10:08.040 a day for that news to kind of spread and 4655 04:10:08.120 --> 04:10:10.879 for people to figure it out, where you know, running 4656 04:10:10.879 --> 04:10:12.600 around as a party of five was just a huge 4657 04:10:12.600 --> 04:10:15.760 waste of time. So I'm just glad that they at 4658 04:10:15.840 --> 04:10:18.280 least did that, But there's still so much hankiness with 4659 04:10:18.840 --> 04:10:21.799 how it all works. And then you know, it's just 4660 04:10:21.840 --> 04:10:24.479 super weird to have your heeler standing there just watching 4661 04:10:24.520 --> 04:10:26.840 all of you die and he's like, well, I can't 4662 04:10:26.879 --> 04:10:28.879 do anything, And then some of them even said even 4663 04:10:28.920 --> 04:10:31.079 if I could, I wouldn't because I don't want to 4664 04:10:31.079 --> 04:10:33.559 get flagged and then I'll get griefed by pored or 4665 04:10:33.559 --> 04:10:37.040 something afterwards, which has happened like if you buff, if 4666 04:10:37.079 --> 04:10:39.079 you buff me, I think it enables you. And then 4667 04:10:39.079 --> 04:10:40.959 when we drop group, I could kill you right after, 4668 04:10:42.639 --> 04:10:46.200 which obviously means like I've had people wary of it 4669 04:10:46.239 --> 04:10:47.959 now and they don't want to buff when we just 4670 04:10:48.040 --> 04:10:51.600 join up for a quest out in the world. So 4671 04:10:51.799 --> 04:10:53.879 I don't really know what systems they could or how 4672 04:10:53.879 --> 04:10:57.680 they could change the system to prevent that. Maybe I 4673 04:10:57.680 --> 04:11:00.079 wouldn't be that, I wouldn't be that against if you 4674 04:11:00.079 --> 04:11:02.440 are a warm ode enabled player that you can't fucking 4675 04:11:02.479 --> 04:11:07.200 group with non warmode players to really make it, you know, isolating. 4676 04:11:08.079 --> 04:11:10.520 You've made your choice, and I would probably still roll 4677 04:11:10.559 --> 04:11:13.239 with it, but I think there probably needs to be 4678 04:11:13.319 --> 04:11:14.440 less of these clashes. 4679 04:11:14.159 --> 04:11:16.799 Because you lost me, and you lost me at that one. 4680 04:11:19.000 --> 04:11:20.440 I don't think it would be that dreadful. 4681 04:11:21.479 --> 04:11:24.520 Then you just still you've basically created a microcosm of 4682 04:11:24.520 --> 04:11:25.879 a PvP and PPE server. 4683 04:11:26.959 --> 04:11:28.600 It comes with the cost of wanting to be. 4684 04:11:28.559 --> 04:11:35.920 At The whole point is everyone group with everyone, guys, 4685 04:11:36.600 --> 04:11:43.239 anyone else on anything before we sort of wrap it up, 4686 04:11:43.799 --> 04:11:46.840 do we I'm just wondering, do we tell I'm happy 4687 04:11:46.879 --> 04:11:50.479 not to tell it. Do we tell our story about 4688 04:11:50.719 --> 04:11:53.959 our new friend that I chewed out the other day? 4689 04:11:54.079 --> 04:11:55.239 Or do we leave that one. 4690 04:11:57.440 --> 04:11:59.120 Which new friend getting chewed out? 4691 04:11:59.120 --> 04:12:01.520 There's a bit of chewing the one I sent you 4692 04:12:01.680 --> 04:12:02.520 the screenshots of. 4693 04:12:04.920 --> 04:12:09.239 Ah, I mean you can if you want. Well. 4694 04:12:09.399 --> 04:12:11.959 I'm more wondering from your angle because I was like, 4695 04:12:12.600 --> 04:12:15.239 one of my favorite subplots of this season of Countdown 4696 04:12:15.280 --> 04:12:19.360 to Classic is ubiquitous as growing fame in game, and 4697 04:12:19.879 --> 04:12:24.399 we've had a fan if you'll call it, that pop 4698 04:12:24.520 --> 04:12:27.360 up and start to talk to ub and I on 4699 04:12:27.399 --> 04:12:31.079 a regular basis, And yeah, I was just wondering, how 4700 04:12:31.079 --> 04:12:32.000 you what you thought of that? 4701 04:12:32.159 --> 04:12:37.920 Ub It's been interesting mixed bag of plays on a 4702 04:12:38.000 --> 04:12:42.239 game like World Warcraft? Who could have thought so? Well, 4703 04:12:42.879 --> 04:12:43.600 what you get to get? 4704 04:12:43.680 --> 04:12:47.200 Yeah, it's the closest after seven and a half years, 4705 04:12:47.520 --> 04:12:52.920 it's the closest I've gotten to oh euphemistically put it 4706 04:12:53.040 --> 04:12:58.319 as the content creator fan and i'd sort of mean 4707 04:12:58.440 --> 04:13:01.719 more other content creator that you might think of more 4708 04:13:01.760 --> 04:13:06.159 when you think of Wow streamer. We had someone latch 4709 04:13:06.200 --> 04:13:10.159 on to us recently who just started whispering Ubie and 4710 04:13:10.239 --> 04:13:12.520 I every day in game where we don't know who 4711 04:13:12.479 --> 04:13:18.280 the fuck this guy is. And he just didn't say 4712 04:13:18.280 --> 04:13:21.760 anything horrible, but just would whisper us every day for 4713 04:13:21.840 --> 04:13:26.319 a week and just like wasn't really saying anything, was 4714 04:13:26.399 --> 04:13:32.239 just like, hey, smelly bum, your bum smells okay, you know, 4715 04:13:32.639 --> 04:13:35.840 fucking hey, hey what are you doing in game today? 4716 04:13:36.799 --> 04:13:37.040 You know? 4717 04:13:37.159 --> 04:13:40.000 And just like I just I think I replied the 4718 04:13:40.040 --> 04:13:42.799 first time, and then I just stopped replying, thinking, oh, 4719 04:13:42.799 --> 04:13:45.520 if I stop replying, he'll go away. But he never 4720 04:13:45.559 --> 04:13:48.840 went away, and he kept fucking whispering me every day. 4721 04:13:48.840 --> 04:13:50.959 And UV goes, oh, yeah, that guy whispers me every 4722 04:13:51.040 --> 04:13:54.639 day as well. And I think he said he basically 4723 04:13:54.680 --> 04:13:56.639 gave you the same treatment of sort of not really 4724 04:13:56.680 --> 04:14:00.440 saying anything of note, right YUV, most of. 4725 04:14:00.360 --> 04:14:02.959 The time where he whispered me to ask about you. 4726 04:14:03.920 --> 04:14:06.000 Yeah, And so it was just getting a bit awkward. 4727 04:14:06.440 --> 04:14:09.719 And so I, for the first time in my content 4728 04:14:09.760 --> 04:14:14.159 creation career, I just I thought back, So he whispered 4729 04:14:14.159 --> 04:14:17.079 me last night, and I thought back to a moment 4730 04:14:17.319 --> 04:14:20.840 where look, there's been one or two times in the 4731 04:14:20.879 --> 04:14:24.520 past where I have reached out to a fellow content 4732 04:14:24.559 --> 04:14:28.760 creator in game and sent them a whisper and been like, hey, mate, 4733 04:14:29.440 --> 04:14:34.319 love your content, keep up the good job. And that's 4734 04:14:34.360 --> 04:14:36.120 not what this guy was saying to me. But I've 4735 04:14:36.159 --> 04:14:38.479 said that to other creators in the past, and it 4736 04:14:38.520 --> 04:14:43.040 always like mildly, mildly gutted me when they didn't say 4737 04:14:43.079 --> 04:14:46.159 fucking anything in reply, when I'm like, oh, man, like 4738 04:14:46.239 --> 04:14:49.840 really like nothing, all right whatever. So I didn't want 4739 04:14:49.840 --> 04:14:50.719 to be that creator. 4740 04:14:51.000 --> 04:14:51.440 So like. 4741 04:14:53.040 --> 04:14:55.360 I had replied to this guy like the first time 4742 04:14:55.399 --> 04:14:57.760 he sent me a message and then ignored him after that, 4743 04:14:58.760 --> 04:15:02.360 but then last night he just I cracked it because 4744 04:15:02.399 --> 04:15:04.799 it was like the seventh day in a row of messages, 4745 04:15:05.760 --> 04:15:10.360 and I just fucking sat down and go, look, mate, 4746 04:15:10.559 --> 04:15:13.719 I literally said this, I got, I got. I'm sure 4747 04:15:13.760 --> 04:15:15.639 you're a good guy. I'm sure you're a good guy, 4748 04:15:16.959 --> 04:15:21.000 but just you've messaged me every day seven days in 4749 04:15:21.000 --> 04:15:24.680 a row now with whispers and I'm not really sure 4750 04:15:24.799 --> 04:15:27.600 what you're looking for here, Like I don't know who 4751 04:15:27.639 --> 04:15:34.559 you are, we've not played before, you know what you 4752 04:15:34.600 --> 04:15:36.920 what are you chasing here? And he's like, I'm just 4753 04:15:36.959 --> 04:15:39.559 trying to be friendly and I was like, yeah, but 4754 04:15:39.600 --> 04:15:42.719 you know it's it's starting. You're encroaching on the creepiness 4755 04:15:42.840 --> 04:15:44.600 here a little bit, mate, with just like I've not 4756 04:15:44.680 --> 04:15:47.639 replied to you six days in a row and here 4757 04:15:47.719 --> 04:15:50.559 you are still trying to debate a reply out of me. 4758 04:15:51.120 --> 04:15:53.159 And I'm like, I'm giving you the time of day 4759 04:15:53.239 --> 04:15:55.639 now because I hate it when creators don't reply to 4760 04:15:55.680 --> 04:15:57.959 people and I don't want to be that guy. But 4761 04:15:58.000 --> 04:16:01.000 I'm just sitting here straight up up asking you, like, 4762 04:16:02.079 --> 04:16:04.760 you know, we can be friendly, but what's the go? 4763 04:16:06.040 --> 04:16:08.760 And then he launched into the like like I said before, 4764 04:16:08.760 --> 04:16:12.520 like you've got no chill loll imagine fucking taking it 4765 04:16:12.600 --> 04:16:15.760 this seriously and I just I said, Mat, I don't 4766 04:16:15.760 --> 04:16:17.959 want to put you on ignore, but like you've kind 4767 04:16:18.000 --> 04:16:20.799 of forced my hand here like what he's doing. And 4768 04:16:20.840 --> 04:16:22.639 he kept at it and I just said, well, mate, 4769 04:16:23.280 --> 04:16:25.159 welcome to the ignore list. Like and it was just 4770 04:16:25.200 --> 04:16:29.159 the first instance of like kind of starting to encroach 4771 04:16:29.239 --> 04:16:32.680 on that content creative fanboy slash parasocial thing, and it 4772 04:16:32.760 --> 04:16:36.200 was fucking awkward. I don't know how bigger creators deal 4773 04:16:36.280 --> 04:16:41.440 with like thousands of like younger fans just needing to 4774 04:16:41.520 --> 04:16:42.719 talk to them. 4775 04:16:43.520 --> 04:16:46.760 Well, that's usually when they they changed their ways into 4776 04:16:46.799 --> 04:16:48.959 the silence for everyone's fair. 4777 04:16:49.760 --> 04:16:52.280 And and now maybe it makes sense when I said that, 4778 04:16:52.360 --> 04:16:54.639 you know, creators hadn't replied to me in the past, 4779 04:16:54.719 --> 04:16:56.120 and now maybe I get it. 4780 04:16:57.799 --> 04:17:01.079 Yeah, I just assumed that most creators would have like 4781 04:17:01.760 --> 04:17:06.360 even if you DM them, unless you're legitimately their discord friend, 4782 04:17:06.399 --> 04:17:09.000 it doesn't even pop up as a hey, someone's trying 4783 04:17:09.040 --> 04:17:12.719 to contact you, notification or anything. They're just on the 4784 04:17:12.760 --> 04:17:15.399 deep mute, which I get, Like fucking hell, I can 4785 04:17:15.479 --> 04:17:17.319 only imagine some of the dribble that they're getting in 4786 04:17:17.360 --> 04:17:17.959 their inbox. 4787 04:17:18.319 --> 04:17:22.000 My point of honor at the end of Countdown to 4788 04:17:22.079 --> 04:17:26.280 Classic will be. I have replied to every cunt that's 4789 04:17:26.319 --> 04:17:30.000 ever contacted me ever, and if there's someone out there 4790 04:17:30.000 --> 04:17:33.159 that I missed, it was not by design. Like I've 4791 04:17:33.200 --> 04:17:36.520 gone through fucking everything and I get back to people quickly, 4792 04:17:37.200 --> 04:17:40.399 and I've replied to every Patreon message. I've replied to 4793 04:17:40.440 --> 04:17:44.079 every email, I've replied to every Discord DM, every in 4794 04:17:44.200 --> 04:17:47.719 game whisper that I've caught, Like I've always wanted to 4795 04:17:47.719 --> 04:17:50.079 be you know, Marcus, you know the and I know 4796 04:17:50.079 --> 04:17:51.959 I'm sucking my own dicky guys, and this is awkward. 4797 04:17:51.959 --> 04:17:54.040 I'm sorry, but I'm trying to say, like that's why 4798 04:17:54.079 --> 04:17:56.079 this story really stood out to me, because it burnt 4799 04:17:56.120 --> 04:17:57.959 me a little bit. But like I always think of, 4800 04:17:58.040 --> 04:18:00.159 you know that the Ringo Star moment in the Him 4801 04:18:00.200 --> 04:18:02.200 since Marcus where he really goes out of his way 4802 04:18:02.200 --> 04:18:05.840 to reply to fan mail. Yeah, that's that I always 4803 04:18:05.920 --> 04:18:08.159 resonated with me. And I'm like, you know, I've always 4804 04:18:08.159 --> 04:18:11.120 treated Countdown that way, and I don't get that much mail, 4805 04:18:11.559 --> 04:18:14.280 but the little that I do get, I just respond to. 4806 04:18:14.760 --> 04:18:16.399 So that's why I was like, it kind of burnt 4807 04:18:16.440 --> 04:18:20.680 me to sort of reply to someone and have just 4808 04:18:20.719 --> 04:18:24.319 be like, mate, fucking just, I'll be friendly with you, 4809 04:18:24.479 --> 04:18:27.079 just be normal, But it was it was a request 4810 04:18:27.120 --> 04:18:27.559 too far. 4811 04:18:28.680 --> 04:18:32.600 You've opened the floodgates. Now I anticipate someone saying, Hi, 4812 04:18:32.719 --> 04:18:35.559 smelly bum, here's mine and the photo of their butt. 4813 04:18:35.840 --> 04:18:38.559 Yeah yeah, and I think you check your mail, you're 4814 04:18:38.600 --> 04:18:39.479 going to see his butt. 4815 04:18:39.719 --> 04:18:42.520 Well, I blame you and this guild. Now that this 4816 04:18:42.600 --> 04:18:45.000 guild is blown up and we've entered the dark, murky 4817 04:18:45.079 --> 04:18:48.520 waters of widows on private servers, of which we are 4818 04:18:48.600 --> 04:18:51.239 now part of the crowd, I think we've opened the 4819 04:18:51.280 --> 04:18:53.799 door for the fucking strange stuff to start happening. 4820 04:18:55.120 --> 04:18:57.159 Mate, once you join the carnival, best to just be 4821 04:18:57.200 --> 04:19:00.680 a carnie, all right, get amongst it. Let it happen. 4822 04:19:01.639 --> 04:19:04.680 H No, I just I mean, my little my two 4823 04:19:04.719 --> 04:19:09.520 cents is get involved in the Discord more than like, 4824 04:19:09.719 --> 04:19:11.879 the Discord is the place to go and be and 4825 04:19:12.479 --> 04:19:15.559 to get involved in the show and stuff. There's a 4826 04:19:15.719 --> 04:19:17.760 there's a bunch of good chaps in there, so. 4827 04:19:17.959 --> 04:19:20.719 Well that that's why I'm weary of this schmeek guy, 4828 04:19:20.840 --> 04:19:22.840 because I'm like, mate, if you're not in the Discord 4829 04:19:22.840 --> 04:19:25.159 and you don't really engage with us, you're probably not 4830 04:19:25.239 --> 04:19:27.920 a countdown person, and we're going to find it much 4831 04:19:27.920 --> 04:19:29.159 easier to fuck you off. 4832 04:19:29.959 --> 04:19:30.239 Ah. 4833 04:19:30.559 --> 04:19:34.159 And I've just had a funny instance in Western Plaguelands. 4834 04:19:34.159 --> 04:19:39.200 I'm running around and I am unsure who this is, 4835 04:19:39.239 --> 04:19:45.000 so let me check the guildab we have swamp is 4836 04:19:45.000 --> 04:19:45.799 swamp in here. 4837 04:19:45.840 --> 04:19:49.879 That's that's uh Gristle's mate that we invited yesterday to 4838 04:19:49.920 --> 04:19:50.200 the day. 4839 04:19:50.319 --> 04:19:53.440 Okay, that makes sense because I found swamp in Western 4840 04:19:53.440 --> 04:19:56.879 plague Lands and I was like, oh cool, I'll make 4841 04:19:56.920 --> 04:19:59.319 him some major water because it looks like he's leveling 4842 04:19:59.360 --> 04:20:02.120 is elemental. And then I've chucked him an invite and 4843 04:20:02.159 --> 04:20:05.120 he's immediately declined it because while I was casting the water, 4844 04:20:05.239 --> 04:20:08.239 He's run off into the into the distance. And then 4845 04:20:08.559 --> 04:20:10.959 I've whispered him, going wait, I'm trying to give you 4846 04:20:10.959 --> 04:20:13.399 some water? Where are you? And he just goes, oh, sorry, 4847 04:20:13.399 --> 04:20:15.559 it didn't even know you were a guilty. And it's like, 4848 04:20:15.639 --> 04:20:17.559 how the fuck are you here? Not that I'm not 4849 04:20:17.639 --> 04:20:21.040 the big wig, but like, how how are you? How 4850 04:20:21.079 --> 04:20:22.239 could you like the show? 4851 04:20:22.559 --> 04:20:26.079 Or you know, how did you drop it? Don't you 4852 04:20:26.120 --> 04:20:26.840 know who I am? 4853 04:20:27.600 --> 04:20:30.040 No? I was like, that's all good, but it just 4854 04:20:30.079 --> 04:20:33.520 perplexed me and immediately raised my alarms of like, are 4855 04:20:33.600 --> 04:20:35.559 you one of the people that Josh doesn't want in 4856 04:20:35.600 --> 04:20:39.040 here because they don't know what the fuck they're getting into, 4857 04:20:39.120 --> 04:20:40.840 Like they just think it's a guild and. 4858 04:20:40.799 --> 04:20:44.440 Whatever the community. 4859 04:20:44.479 --> 04:20:46.520 Yeah, yeah, I mean the same boat as you. Like, 4860 04:20:46.559 --> 04:20:49.719 I just kind of I like it being the Countdown people. 4861 04:20:49.799 --> 04:20:54.360 And then there's been I'm accepting, we're still accepting of like, 4862 04:20:54.479 --> 04:20:56.760 you know, you're a You're a Countdown enjoyer and have 4863 04:20:56.799 --> 04:20:59.719 been forever. And your buddy's playing on this survey and 4864 04:20:59.760 --> 04:21:02.559 you've actually he is a mad dog. That's fine. They 4865 04:21:02.559 --> 04:21:04.479 can come in, but they're your buddy. 4866 04:21:04.840 --> 04:21:05.040 Yeah. 4867 04:21:05.319 --> 04:21:09.680 If they want to get on discord and call people 4868 04:21:09.719 --> 04:21:12.040 for boons and get naked on camp, then you know 4869 04:21:12.239 --> 04:21:13.760 that's your buddy and they might have to pay the 4870 04:21:13.799 --> 04:21:14.520 price for it. 4871 04:21:17.680 --> 04:21:22.680 Feel well said, well said? What's that? 4872 04:21:23.840 --> 04:21:25.159 Nah, you didn't get naked enough. 4873 04:21:26.760 --> 04:21:31.520 I'm just saying I might have been some poor process. 4874 04:21:31.559 --> 04:21:32.719 I have had a few beers. 4875 04:21:35.079 --> 04:21:38.600 That's all right, boys. Well we'll wind it up there. 4876 04:21:39.360 --> 04:21:42.600 Thank you so much for everything, everyone, and then we'll 4877 04:21:42.639 --> 04:21:47.040 see you on the next one. And that's the episode 4878 04:21:47.079 --> 04:21:49.280 for today. Everyone. Thanks so much. For listening to all 4879 04:21:49.319 --> 04:21:51.760 of that. I do appreciate it. I need to think that, 4880 04:21:51.879 --> 04:21:55.280 thank and think thank the following amazing people who help 4881 04:21:55.360 --> 04:21:58.120 make this show happen every episode for you, and they 4882 04:21:58.159 --> 04:22:03.639 are these fantastic Paige Flozy, b Vucker, welcome back, mate. 4883 04:22:03.680 --> 04:22:07.319 The Prodigal Sun has returned. Vucka in at the twenty 4884 04:22:07.479 --> 04:22:10.920 dollar level of Patreon made You're an absolute legend. Thank 4885 04:22:10.959 --> 04:22:12.639 you so much, Bucker, I love you. It is so 4886 04:22:12.799 --> 04:22:15.600 great to see you diving back in with the Countdown 4887 04:22:15.680 --> 04:22:19.440 crowd into Epoch. Welcome aboard, my friend Croxford, Odd k 4888 04:22:19.760 --> 04:22:24.120 honeybe Wintersgate Zorin Grimoire plays all the mighty dollarman, Jaron 4889 04:22:24.360 --> 04:22:27.879 h Ringo gra vac Simile. Thank you so much, you 4890 04:22:28.000 --> 04:22:30.479 amazing people. And the same to all the five and 4891 04:22:30.520 --> 04:22:32.559 two dollars and one dollar patrons. I love you all. 4892 04:22:32.600 --> 04:22:35.479 Thank you so much for keeping the show on the air. Guys. 4893 04:22:35.959 --> 04:22:39.440 We'll be back next week with more Kangaroo Cord, more 4894 04:22:39.520 --> 04:22:42.840 fun stories. I employ all you Countdown people to write 4895 04:22:42.959 --> 04:22:47.239 this stuff down and get amongst the fun guys. If 4896 04:22:47.280 --> 04:22:50.239 you can't tell, I'm trying, I know. We just did 4897 04:22:50.280 --> 04:22:52.520 like a really heavy episode, you know, first hour and 4898 04:22:52.559 --> 04:22:54.639 a half all about some pretty heavy stuff with the 4899 04:22:54.639 --> 04:22:58.280 season desist. But I'm trying to make the show much 4900 04:22:58.319 --> 04:23:02.280 more lighthearted and fun. Given that we've got such a 4901 04:23:02.360 --> 04:23:05.559 community thing happening and we're all playing together for the 4902 04:23:05.600 --> 04:23:09.360 first time ever on a server, we can really have 4903 04:23:09.520 --> 04:23:12.879 fun socially with this thing. So I am taking Countdown 4904 04:23:13.319 --> 04:23:16.920 down a much more lighthearted, you know, sort of side street, 4905 04:23:17.040 --> 04:23:19.239 if you will, and I want to think that it's 4906 04:23:19.280 --> 04:23:21.639 resonating with you all, So if it is, please let 4907 04:23:21.680 --> 04:23:25.280 me know in the discord and where you know. Only 4908 04:23:25.319 --> 04:23:28.600 going to be getting serious if something rarely serious comes up, 4909 04:23:28.879 --> 04:23:31.680 like the news with the season desist. Otherwise we're gonna 4910 04:23:31.680 --> 04:23:33.360 have fun. We're gonna talk about the things we discover 4911 04:23:33.399 --> 04:23:35.319 on the server, the new items, the new dungeons or 4912 04:23:35.399 --> 04:23:37.440 talk shop, and I'd love to see more of you 4913 04:23:37.479 --> 04:23:40.319 in there. So guys, get up everywhere anyone in Countdown 4914 04:23:40.360 --> 04:23:42.799 and get involved and let us know about it. Speak 4915 04:23:42.799 --> 04:23:43.120 to you later,