Speaker 1: What's up, body, people, and welcome to Countdowns a classic
Speaker 1: where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me for another huge episode
Speaker 1: of Countdown to Classic. And we've got a bit of
Speaker 1: everything for you today, all of our project Depoch, obviously
Speaker 1: the server that everybody's talking about that all of Countdowns
Speaker 1: getting involved in, and you can't stop pouring into the
Speaker 1: Guild and it's amazing to see more and more if
Speaker 1: you joined. By the day, it's turning into a real thing.
Speaker 1: But we've got sort of a serious side of the
Speaker 1: podcast and then a much more fun and lighter side
Speaker 1: of the podcast. So what we might do is, I'll
Speaker 1: start off with the serious stuff. We'll do the season
Speaker 1: desist at the top of the episode that goes for
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half, and then we'll do
Speaker 1: the much more fun guild related life side of things,
Speaker 1: the Kangaroo Court, all that stuff. We have a bit
Speaker 1: of fun with each other in the back half of
Speaker 1: the last sort of two two and a half hours,
Speaker 1: So guys, it's a long one. If you can't hear
Speaker 1: it in our voices when we are discussing this server,
Speaker 1: we are having the time of our lives. Guys, if
Speaker 1: you have been curious about this thing and you haven't
Speaker 1: dived in yet, I implore you to consider it. Come
Speaker 1: and join the guild. Just tell us that you know
Speaker 1: you're a long time listener or you know you know
Speaker 1: when we ask you for the password. There is no
Speaker 1: set password, Guys, We're just throwing it back to you
Speaker 1: to say something that shows to us that you're a
Speaker 1: listener of the show and you're in. That's it. But guys, look,
Speaker 1: please do enjoy the show and I'll speak to you
Speaker 1: at the end. Thanks so much. All right, So the
Speaker 1: bomb just dropped, you know, the big news has arrived
Speaker 1: that probably some of you were expecting. Blizzard is on
Speaker 1: the legal warpath and Epoch very much so now has
Speaker 1: a target painted on its back, much in the way
Speaker 1: that has happened with Turtle Wow. And then since we
Speaker 1: last recorded, and I wasn't able to talk about because
Speaker 1: it hadn't happened yet. Eva Look had the same seas
Speaker 1: and desist letter I believe sent in their direction, and
Speaker 1: that's interestingly run by the same people as Turtle Wow.
Speaker 1: So for a second there I sort of thought, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe they're just waging war on this one developer or something.
Speaker 1: They're really going after them. But of course, a little
Speaker 1: a small part of me was like, look, I can
Speaker 1: kind of see the direction the wind is blowing on
Speaker 1: this one. Let's, you know, hold our breath and see
Speaker 1: how long it takes. And then we got the news
Speaker 1: just a few hours ago that the developers of Epoch
Speaker 1: have received a notably received deceease and desist letter as
Speaker 1: opposed to having a lawsuit filed against them, So they've
Speaker 1: kind of had not as serious of a legal step
Speaker 1: taken against them, but still, you know, a note one,
Speaker 1: when that letter arrives in the mail, you're going to
Speaker 1: perk up and take notice and go, oh shit, they
Speaker 1: mean business. So all this this stuff has happened, and
Speaker 1: people are going ballistic in the Countdown discord, all discussing
Speaker 1: what this means and what's going to happen next, And
Speaker 1: we were waiting for an update from the Epoch team,
Speaker 1: and then we got one and sorry, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to turn up my volume real quick. Bear with me
Speaker 1: one second. Very good, And so then what happened was
Speaker 1: we started hearing back from the Epoch development team and
Speaker 1: the Ascension team on what they were planning to do next.
Speaker 1: So what we got told was the Epoch team via
Speaker 1: Ktot's the lead dev and sort of you know, brainchild
Speaker 1: of all of this. He has said that, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm stepping out. Okay, I'm announcing to the world. Watch
Speaker 1: me say this. I am taking down what I can
Speaker 1: take down since I entered this agreement with Ascension, I
Speaker 1: will take down the Epoch website. I will, you know,
Speaker 1: stop developing Winki. At least that's how I read it.
Speaker 1: For Project Epoch. We're all out. Where done? You know,
Speaker 1: whatever Ascension done. This is un paraphrasing, but whatever Ascension
Speaker 1: does from here is on them. The original Epoch team
Speaker 1: is out. Smoke bomb. Then we heard from the Ascension
Speaker 1: team who said, okay, so as far as our side
Speaker 1: of the development goes, they did the Wolf of Wall Street.
Speaker 1: We're not fucking going anywhere. The servers will stay up.
Speaker 1: We will not only keep them up, but we will
Speaker 1: continue development for them. And they're basically saying to the
Speaker 1: player base, you can continue to play here and we
Speaker 1: will keep rolling on for I mean, the subtext was
Speaker 1: for as long as we can, but there definitely seem
Speaker 1: to be a sense of defiance in their posts that
Speaker 1: they weren't wilting and rolling over because of this season
Speaker 1: this letter. So that's where we are. That that's a
Speaker 1: very very you know, crude tldr of what has happened
Speaker 1: over the last four or five hours. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to open it up to the crowd here. I've really
Speaker 1: only I woke up twenty minutes ago. Guys. It's you know,
Speaker 1: just before seven o'clock in the morning here in Australia.
Speaker 1: I'm still sort of wrapping my head around all this.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, I was half prepared
Speaker 1: for it anyway, so I sort of know what I
Speaker 1: would want to say. But I'll open it up to
Speaker 1: the crowd, lads. I might start with you, mate, and
Speaker 1: you know, get you to kick us off and just
Speaker 1: say the simple question, what was your reaction to the news?
Speaker 2: Sad but not not surprised. I didn't think they were
Speaker 2: going to stop. Does it makes sense just to go
Speaker 2: after one private server? But I've definite had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun the server, and but I can't really complain
Speaker 2: because it's you know, it's Blizzard's ip, and they're a
Speaker 2: right to defend it, especially if they want one.
Speaker 1: No, I think it would be. So I'll just say,
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent, We're in the same position with
Speaker 1: te Wow, like the season desists letter, like all of
Speaker 1: this makes sense. Like again, one hundred percent Blizzard, you know,
Speaker 1: protecting their IP and my antswer If anyone thinks that
Speaker 1: my answer is going to fucking change from the massive
Speaker 1: legal rants, I just went on with t Wow because
Speaker 1: I happened to be playing on Epoch. You know, all
Speaker 1: the te wow enjoyers might be rubbing their hands together
Speaker 1: and going, yes, yes, now he's going to change his
Speaker 1: tune because his favorite little private server is you know,
Speaker 1: under the eye of sour On. Fuck. No, my answer
Speaker 1: doesn't change. Blizzard is still completely justified in doing all.
Speaker 1: This doesn't mean I'm going to stop playing, but anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll go on from there. Sorry I cut you off, lads,
Speaker 1: Keep going.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I mean, on the one hand, it's it's sad because
Speaker 2: I'm having so much fun on the server, But if
Speaker 2: you're looking forward to a Blizzard Classic Plus, at least
Speaker 2: it showing I said the same thing last week, But
Speaker 2: it's showing that they're putting resources into and planning on
Speaker 2: releasing Classic Plus, not just planning release yet, but they
Speaker 2: seem to be put in resources and planning into it.
Speaker 2: So if you're interested in Blizzards Classic Plus, then that's
Speaker 2: good news I think for you.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I can just prod you and
Speaker 1: then I'll get to everyone else, guys. I want to
Speaker 1: hear from as many people as I can on this
Speaker 1: one in terms of Blizzard's Classic Plus. You know, the
Speaker 1: one interesting question that this raises I thought out loud
Speaker 1: in the discord recently and sort of said, you know,
Speaker 1: I did think this was a little bit maybe of
Speaker 1: a crusade against t Wow because, like we said, they
Speaker 1: got too big for their breeches. And I said about
Speaker 1: two days ago in the discord I typed out that
Speaker 1: I don't think and obviously this was a horrible prediction now,
Speaker 1: but I said, I don't necessarily think that blizz will
Speaker 1: go after Epoch yet yet. Being the key word I said,
Speaker 1: I think I think eventually, yes, absolutely, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked if the Classic Wow team sort of takes
Speaker 1: advantage of the free R and D that they're getting
Speaker 1: via Epoch right now, Like they get to jump in
Speaker 1: there and see it, They get to see what people
Speaker 1: like and what they don't like what the feedback is.
Speaker 1: So I was a little bit shocked at the timing,
Speaker 1: but I guess it makes sense now if this is
Speaker 1: just the window that they've decided to do all of this.
Speaker 1: But also it does lead to the question with the timing, Laz,
Speaker 1: is there a small chance that Blizzard is cooking up
Speaker 1: something a little bit sooner than we thought with their
Speaker 1: Classic plus or do you think their C plus is
Speaker 1: still a year away and they're just knocking all this
Speaker 1: out now well in advance.
Speaker 2: I wish I had a I want to be confident
Speaker 2: until you give you an answer, but I have no
Speaker 2: idea I think, but I do think that the timing,
Speaker 2: I'll just try to getting their heads. I don't think
Speaker 2: they want people to get used to the server and
Speaker 2: having fun and formed, you know, for reason rate because
Speaker 2: once you're established you have a good time, you're less
Speaker 2: likely to even invest in time into your character. You're
Speaker 2: less likely to switch over to theirs. I know, for me,
Speaker 2: I'm having fun the server and they've lost. I had
Speaker 2: a Classic Blizzard sub from twenty nineteen to about January
Speaker 2: of this year, and I quit. I've quit my Supprissian
Speaker 2: because of the RMT going on there, and so.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm I might go.
Speaker 2: Back if for a classic Blizzard Classic Plus, I might not,
Speaker 2: but certainly if this, if they if there's no alternative,
Speaker 2: I'm more likely to go back.
Speaker 4: To a Blizzard server for sure. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I think they're going after that, you know,
Speaker 2: players like me who might not come back if there's
Speaker 2: a better alternative.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. We'll love it enough, guys, I'll
Speaker 1: let you go back to tanking the BRD that we're
Speaker 1: watching live. Laz Thank you so much for trying to
Speaker 1: talk to us while doing that. Very good, guys, everyone else, Look,
Speaker 1: I might there's about twelve of us in this call,
Speaker 1: so we might trip on each other a little bit,
Speaker 1: but as best we can, I'll try, and you know,
Speaker 1: direct traffic key who wants to talk to me next
Speaker 1: about what was your reaction to this legal news on Epoch?
Speaker 5: I can respond a little bit to what Lazarus was
Speaker 5: saying as well.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I think that he's.
Speaker 5: Really a good point that it does like increase the
Speaker 5: likelihood that we get a Blizzard Class at plus, which
Speaker 5: we kind of already knew anyway, But I feel that
Speaker 5: it doesn't speak well for what we get, and we
Speaker 5: get classid plus if you want to frame it from
Speaker 5: like how does it affect a Blizzard product, which is
Speaker 5: like you're saying, like this is a beautiful experiment in
Speaker 5: what a classic plus is. It's not a lot of
Speaker 5: people I did a lot of people playing it's a
Speaker 5: buggy mess, and it's still got us all excited and geed.
Speaker 5: Oubt like it was twenty nineteen again, so well, to be.
Speaker 1: Fair, to be fair, it wasn't, sorry, not so much
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But I was going to say, to be
Speaker 1: half fair. Wasn't two thousand and four a slight buggy
Speaker 1: mess as well?
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I was like twelve, desperately coming up with reasons to
Speaker 5: go to my cousin's house to get to play it
Speaker 5: so could speak to it. But yeah, just just the
Speaker 5: fact that rather than treat it like I don't know,
Speaker 5: I think it was good, be that told it an
Speaker 5: ant farm or something, but treat it like an experiment, right,
Speaker 5: watch it grow, see what happens. Take the good stuff,
Speaker 5: leave the bad they try to show. That does not
Speaker 5: make me a confident for the next go round.
Speaker 1: Did apologies for the notification, guys, I will I promise
Speaker 1: I'll turn those off right now. In terms of the sound,
Speaker 1: let me ask you, Elmo, did the news effect your
Speaker 1: desire to play on the server at all? Did it
Speaker 1: change your plans at all?
Speaker 3: The highs and lows?
Speaker 5: I mean my plans. No, My plans are to kill
Speaker 5: mert Gill Warriors said, yet whatever, you know, the drop
Speaker 5: is for my next quest and continue STV. But I
Speaker 5: don't know. You know, I stopped playing Blizzard servers because
Speaker 5: they stopped offering things that I wanted to play, and
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go back just because they kill my
Speaker 5: favorite server.
Speaker 1: All right? Who wants to jump in next? I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Axel Leroy Henrik's you guys, someone be brave diving.
Speaker 1: What was your reaction to the news?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, basically I just received the news like an
Speaker 6: hour ago, so I haven't had time to reflect upon
Speaker 6: it yet. But I'm not really shocked because, like the
Speaker 6: amount of popularity the service received in just the last
Speaker 6: couple of weeks, they were like bound to get Blizzard's
Speaker 6: sized upon them. It's sad because I'm having a lot
Speaker 6: of fun on the server, but like I think, at
Speaker 6: least for me, I'm going to go to the Captain's
Speaker 6: route and go down with the ship. So I'm going
Speaker 6: to be on here until well, if or when the
Speaker 6: server goes down.
Speaker 1: Very good, go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a similar opinion. If anything, I'm a
Speaker 3: little surprised. I feel like they pulled the trigger a
Speaker 3: little too soon for their own sake. Just you know,
Speaker 3: we've talked about a number of times. It's just like
Speaker 3: this is the best kind of market testing they could do, right,
Speaker 3: and so to try, like we obviously have to try
Speaker 3: and kill it because legal reasons, But I just thought
Speaker 3: they might have waited another month just to try and
Speaker 3: get more data, you know, see what works what doesn't.
Speaker 3: Like we know the classic dev's listening on the pod,
Speaker 3: and you know, just getting even just us to play
Speaker 3: it and get that feedback might might help them. That's
Speaker 3: kind of what surprised me, just not necessarily the action,
Speaker 3: but the timing and the piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm genuinely I am genuinely surprised. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to like you have to
Speaker 1: put in that fair bit of weight of it's not
Speaker 1: completely unexpected, But yeah, I am still surprised, like you are.
Speaker 1: It's just on that legal point of Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know the answer to this, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: frequently do parrot out the whole Oh, well, they have
Speaker 1: to they have to pursue them legally because otherwise, if
Speaker 1: you know, if they don't do it, then they run
Speaker 1: the risk or that you know, they fall into the
Speaker 1: potential jeopardy of losing the IP or something. And I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure that that's exactly how it works.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there is some element of like needing
Speaker 1: to keep people on their toes and whatnot, but like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'd need someone smarter than me to tell
Speaker 1: me what the necessity of pursuing all private servers are because,
Speaker 1: like Blizzard hasn't touched a private server in years. So
Speaker 1: I'm not so convinced on that they have to they
Speaker 1: have to, Oh, they have to go after all of them.
Speaker 1: If they leave one, it breaks some you know rule
Speaker 1: that I don't know about that you know, lets them
Speaker 1: lose their IP or the right to chase private servers.
Speaker 1: I'm really not so sure that's the case. But like Las,
Speaker 1: you're saying to me that it might be relevant in
Speaker 1: terms of damages and look that that may well be
Speaker 1: the case in terms of again, I'm still not super
Speaker 1: convinced because I'm I'm not as sure in court, Las,
Speaker 1: you'd have to tell me otherwise. How well the you know,
Speaker 1: submission from the other side going oh, why did you
Speaker 1: come after us and not go after them? And we
Speaker 1: you don't get to get as many damages from us
Speaker 1: because you didn't pursue all the bad guys. I'm not
Speaker 1: super convinced that is a relevant argument, Las. You'll have
Speaker 1: to tell me otherwise.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not either, just why I didn't say it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not confident all that, but yeah, it might be
Speaker 2: relevant to the amount of damages you can get.
Speaker 1: Well, but you're still only filing suit against that one party.
Speaker 1: Like in the Blizzard versus Turtle Wow lawsuit, Turtle Wow
Speaker 1: doesn't get to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, bullshit,
Speaker 1: you've asked for one hundred million dollars in damages. We
Speaker 1: say that should be fifty million because we're not you know,
Speaker 1: all of the problem. There are other servers doing what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Split the bill here, Blizzard, That's not how
Speaker 1: that's not how it works. It's Blizzard versus Turtle Wow.
Speaker 1: If they ask for one hundred million and they can
Speaker 1: justify it that that's the figure, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just not so sure that, oh, making other efforts
Speaker 1: in against other perpetrators allows you to jack up the
Speaker 1: amount that you're asking for, because you're putting up a
Speaker 1: much more you know, vigorous defense against you from from
Speaker 1: your IPS against your IP. But like, I don't know
Speaker 1: it just yeah, yeah, justifying damages is one thing, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just anyway, what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: I won't say I'm right on this one. Just my
Speaker 1: gut is telling me that, Like, I think Blizzard is
Speaker 1: within their rights to act or not act whenever the
Speaker 1: fuck they want, and act or not act against whoever
Speaker 1: they want. They can selectively pursue whatever fucking lawsuit they want.
Speaker 1: I think they absolutely could have stayed off of Epochs,
Speaker 1: you know, front Door on this one and still been
Speaker 1: just as that their their suit against Tea, where I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be affected in the slightest. But if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, someone smarter than me can wrect me on
Speaker 1: that one. If that's the case. So that's why I
Speaker 1: agree with Josh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more of a business vision than a legal one,
Speaker 2: because I think they're afraid of just losing people Like ammos,
Speaker 2: you will develop habits and they have like their favorite momos,
Speaker 2: like people stay with them most for a long time,
Speaker 2: even like it's hard to get them to switch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they just might not want people to get to,
Speaker 2: you know, to use to Epoch are too comfortable.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent. And that's where you that's where you'll
Speaker 1: pull me back to that making more sense is it's
Speaker 1: not a legal thing. It's a business thing. Like you've said, Laz.
Speaker 1: People were raising this in the discord, and I do
Speaker 1: tend to agree that they might have marked this point
Speaker 1: in time as an important one because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: now that Epoch's actually really getting quite popular and solidifying
Speaker 1: its position. You know, it's it's ridden through the stormy
Speaker 1: waves of those first few weeks of launch and now
Speaker 1: it's a legit product and people are signing up, and
Speaker 1: you know, more and more people are fucking getting involved
Speaker 1: as they see that it's you know, quite people are
Speaker 1: experiencing the higher level content and reports are starting to
Speaker 1: come back that it's good. You know, this is how
Speaker 1: Turtle Wow grew from nothing into something. They don't want
Speaker 1: to let Epoch have the same level of bandwidth and
Speaker 1: allow that word of mouth to spread and get people rolling,
Speaker 1: because you know, these, as we said with Turtle, Wow,
Speaker 1: these servers are not you know, done within that opening
Speaker 1: launch window. It's Turtle how no one playing it for years,
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years, and it just slowly
Speaker 1: it was the slowest snowball rolling down the hill that
Speaker 1: gathered more and more players. Word of mouth spread and
Speaker 1: it grew into what it was, and I could see
Speaker 1: from a business perspective, Blizzard then saying, well, We're not
Speaker 1: going to let this fucking happen to Epoch, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And particularly given that they are releasing
Speaker 1: a classic fucking plus project, like we keep saying, you know,
Speaker 1: will it will wind up being the worst kept secret
Speaker 1: in gaming that this is what Blizzard is doing. They're
Speaker 1: entering the space as well. And I'd said years ago
Speaker 1: on the pod and all of you have pointed out
Speaker 1: the same thing. You're not dumb. We know how this
Speaker 1: fucking works. When they went against Nestarius, you know it's
Speaker 1: they get legally heavy when they are about to enter
Speaker 1: the market. They don't why would they allow for competition
Speaker 1: that is legally not allowed when they can just own
Speaker 1: the space, You fuck off all the competitors and go motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Those are our subscribers. And I think you raise a
Speaker 1: really really good point, Laz in terms of once people
Speaker 1: start an MMO and they like it and they get
Speaker 1: their teeth sunk into it, they don't want to quit.
Speaker 1: That's a you know, leveling's a thing. Time investment is
Speaker 1: a thing. They've got characters now that they don't want
Speaker 1: to abandon. I completely agree with you that if they
Speaker 1: let people fall in love with Epoch, it will not
Speaker 1: necessarily be over but like that's a huge win for Epoch.
Speaker 1: When they've got something coming out in what we think
Speaker 1: will be a year and they're not interested in sharing
Speaker 1: any of that revenue, that's totally understandable. But like I said, still,
Speaker 1: I still it totally makes sense. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just thought that maybe maybe that the Classic team
Speaker 1: would have been in the ear of the legal department
Speaker 1: going like, just just hold off on this one for
Speaker 1: a few more months, maybe six more months, fellas, we
Speaker 1: just want to see what they're doing here. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: obviously that wasn't the case. But like we say, it
Speaker 1: was only a cease and desist letter as opposed to
Speaker 1: a full lawsuit being filed. So take that for what
Speaker 1: you will, but I'll open it up to the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys. Anyone else want to extrapolate on the
Speaker 1: points that we've just raised here, Arcos, I see, sorry,
Speaker 1: So you go, Jordan and then Arcost go for it, mate.
Speaker 8: No, I was just going to say, you mentioned a
Speaker 8: minute ago that they haven't gone after private service for years,
Speaker 8: but you know, we don't know if that's true. It
Speaker 8: was just as seastant desist letter and the one that
Speaker 8: they sent after the the one that starts with an
Speaker 8: E if ever look ever, Look so they may send
Speaker 8: those out all the time, and we're just only hearing
Speaker 8: about it right now because people are paying attention and
Speaker 8: that the devs are more scared because of what's happening
Speaker 8: with Turtle, while that the privatory does don't want true.
Speaker 1: But I just I feel that the private server community
Speaker 1: is a very gossipy, loose lip sync ship's kind of one,
Speaker 1: and some kind of word would have come back about
Speaker 1: a letter being sent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just can't imagine like that warming for example,
Speaker 8: or Sension hasn't been getting these for years and just
Speaker 8: ignore them.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. That's a very very fair point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I shouldn't sort of speak out of school
Speaker 1: too much when I don't know what the fuck the
Speaker 1: reality of the situation is. Of course, my friend, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm good. What's up?
Speaker 1: I'm better now that I get to hear your voice.
Speaker 1: My friends, Now, look you and your you and your
Speaker 1: little level twenty one warrior that you've been complaining about
Speaker 1: the level link process and saying this is all too hard.
Speaker 1: I only know how to zag in a raid, mate.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about all this? Well?
Speaker 9: I think it was kind of to be expected, right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: I'm always going to get something. But the response is
Speaker 9: what the response is? I think he's just covering his ass, right.
Speaker 1: That's that's very wise and expansive of you, mate, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 9: I wasn't sure what you were looking for, I think,
Speaker 9: and anyone who was playing the service should have been
Speaker 9: expecting them to get a takedown notice in some form.
Speaker 9: They get it in a season assist latter forum and
Speaker 9: the guy who just you know what, three weeks ago
Speaker 9: sold his work to someone else has posted a note
Speaker 9: saying that he's not involved with it anymore. It's just
Speaker 9: textbook trying to wipe his hands publicly of the tent.
Speaker 9: And whether he stays on down the scenes.
Speaker 1: Or not, you're you're you're regularly wiping your hands of
Speaker 1: the taint, aren't you, ar Cours. It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that needs to be done at times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. Boys, Let's keep going around the room.
Speaker 1: Who hasn't been heard? Who would like to be heard
Speaker 1: on your initial reaction to this one?
Speaker 10: Well, I'd more like a question, if I'm honest, like,
Speaker 10: where did the Ascension team sit on this fence? Because
Speaker 10: I mean, if blizzards gone after Epop, but obviously they
Speaker 10: must know that EPOP server as are not host by
Speaker 10: the Epop team, So where does that go?
Speaker 1: He's Look, I immediately drew the same conclusion that it
Speaker 1: seems many of the countdown listeners did when they were
Speaker 1: discussing this fire text in the discord. Look, knowing what
Speaker 1: I know of which is probably very little, but no
Speaker 1: what I know of private server devs, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you're bold enough to spin this stuff up, spin
Speaker 1: this stuff up, in the first place, knowing that you know,
Speaker 1: it's not fucking above board. I just think that they're
Speaker 1: doing the the I don't want to call it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to call it childish because it's not childish
Speaker 1: isn't the right term, but I can't think of a
Speaker 1: better descriptor that they're trying to sort of do. Do
Speaker 1: you know the It's the equivalent of do you know
Speaker 1: the move that people do on Facebook that years ago?
Speaker 1: And I haven't been on Facebook in years, but I
Speaker 1: presume idiots still do it, you know, when you see
Speaker 1: those posts going around on Facebook or an equivalent where
Speaker 1: people write down the bottom of it like something about
Speaker 1: like I opt out of you know, any legal ramifications,
Speaker 1: or you are not allowed to take my private information.
Speaker 1: I here by say you're not allowed to do it,
Speaker 1: and all the boomers write this, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? One percent? Yeah, yeah, I get those
Speaker 1: kinds of vibes from what k Totes has done here
Speaker 1: where he's kind of like he's putting up the big
Speaker 1: sign saying I K Totes officially drop out of development
Speaker 1: of this server. I will have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: it moving forward. We are not going to be working
Speaker 1: on this game, I will shut down the website and
Speaker 1: as far as you're all concerned, I don't exist anymore.
Speaker 11: There I said, the incredibly well crafted like like maybe
Speaker 11: he was responding to points in the season detissed letter
Speaker 11: because he's like, we're not gonna host service for any
Speaker 11: Blizzard or Activision games.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I did think it was a maze one two punch
Speaker 8: with the post from the Ascension devs afterwards that immediately
Speaker 8: was like, oh, no, things are fine, and actually there's
Speaker 8: tons of stuff in the pipeline that we're going to
Speaker 8: be releasing for months because that kind of gives them
Speaker 8: covered to maybe keep working on it secretly.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I expect. So that's what I'm getting
Speaker 1: at is I don't think those guys personally, if I
Speaker 1: had to bet money on it, I don't think those
Speaker 1: guys are going anywhere. I think they're absolutely going to
Speaker 1: keep working on it, you know in the quote unquote
Speaker 1: shadows as people say and just be like, yeah, fuck,
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere. That's just what I would expect.
Speaker 9: The funny thing is that the Ascension that's a new
Speaker 9: development called Totski.
Speaker 1: Mister Snrub is now on the case. Absolutely. I like
Speaker 1: the way snrub thinks. Very very good guys.
Speaker 4: Just on.
Speaker 1: Anyone else's please speak now forever holty silence. Just on
Speaker 1: this first question of your action. Did anyone ride the
Speaker 1: roller coaster? Did anyone throw their PC out the window
Speaker 1: in anger?
Speaker 12: I definitely think that the Legal Department is probably not
Speaker 12: talking to the developers of a Wild Blizzard. I do
Speaker 12: think they kind of operate on their own, separate things,
Speaker 12: So that's why all the legal seas and decisions went
Speaker 12: out and to you know Everlook and Turtle and now Epoch.
Speaker 12: I think they just hit everybody. It was probably their
Speaker 12: plan to do it for everybody, and they're not going
Speaker 12: to be talking with the dev side of anything saying
Speaker 12: hey can we do this server but not this server?
Speaker 12: So I just think it's kind of coincidence, and mostly.
Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. I definitely don't think the
Speaker 1: big wigs of the Legal Department are waiting for the
Speaker 1: fucking thumbs up from Tim Jones on whether or not
Speaker 1: they can file a suits or not, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 12: Yeah, And they're just doing the basic due diligence, like
Speaker 12: they don't have to go after everybody, but they have
Speaker 12: to show enough legal precedent that they are attempting to
Speaker 12: protect the IP, which is what c and Desist do.
Speaker 12: So it's just enough for them to say, hey, we
Speaker 12: did our job. We've been defending our IP. So that's
Speaker 12: what they probably do every now and then. Ascension probably
Speaker 12: has a stack of them already, war Maine probably has
Speaker 12: enough to build a house out of at this point.
Speaker 12: It's just kind of what they do. And I think
Speaker 12: that Cato's and Epoch just used this as their excuse
Speaker 12: to say, hey, we got the notice. We can now
Speaker 12: say we're done. We're you know, it's the Simpsons thing
Speaker 12: of where we're leaving the bar and we'll just go
Speaker 12: into the back.
Speaker 1: Very good. Sorry, guys, I am sipping a coffee while
Speaker 1: I'm doing this one. Okay, guys, that's that's the initial reactions.
Speaker 1: Does anyone I mean, I know they've already I know
Speaker 1: they've already told us this in terms of they're not
Speaker 1: shutting down. I want to know how you guys felt
Speaker 1: about your future involvement on Project Epoch. Did this news
Speaker 1: move the needle for any of you in terms of
Speaker 1: your personal time investment, which no doubt has been hefty
Speaker 1: to this point, did you all of a sudden get
Speaker 1: worried for the time you've put into the game? You know,
Speaker 1: a couple of people in Countdown, Look, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: understandably have said, look, that's it, that that's the the
Speaker 1: shot across the bow. I'm stopping my characters leveling here.
Speaker 1: And albeit it's only a couple of people, it's a minority,
Speaker 1: you know. I can't. I can't justify putting hundreds of
Speaker 1: hours into this thing when it could have the plug
Speaker 1: pulled on it tomorrow. I'm fucking out. I had the
Speaker 1: opposite reaction, where, you know, I put the old Wolf
Speaker 1: of Wall Street gift in the discord that you all saw,
Speaker 1: and I fucking meant it. I'm not fucking going anywhere.
Speaker 1: I am having the time of my life, and I'll
Speaker 1: talk more about that soon. But I really meant every
Speaker 1: word that I swapped back and forth with UBI on
Speaker 1: this topic, saying, look, if this thing gets killed tomorrow,
Speaker 1: all I will do is think about the fund that
Speaker 1: I had leading up to that moment, and I've had
Speaker 1: so much fun. I will not be holding a Viking
Speaker 1: funeral for this Warlock character. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about this Warlock character. It's just fun experiencing this server
Speaker 1: and the new content, and those are the eyes through
Speaker 1: which I do it. Has this news changed any of
Speaker 1: your opinions about how you will approach this server moving forward?
Speaker 13: It didn't change my opinion on like leveling, but it
Speaker 13: does make me a little I don't know if nervous
Speaker 13: is the right word, but concerned about like what the
Speaker 13: sixty plus content's.
Speaker 14: Going to look like. I think they've talked about dropping
Speaker 14: a new road map, and so it's kind of sad
Speaker 14: in some way that it's like, maybe we're not going
Speaker 14: to see what the original Epoch developers wanted in game
Speaker 14: rating to look like.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Now, Tsunami, who's relatively you know, pretty clued
Speaker 1: in on all this stuff and has been following this
Speaker 1: project for years and has it completely hooked to her veins,
Speaker 1: she seems to think and take this with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. It's only you know, Tsunami's not a dev
Speaker 1: or anything, but she's been, you know, right on there
Speaker 1: with the beatas and everything. She seems to think they've
Speaker 1: got content up to phase two already done, so at
Speaker 1: least in the short term, it seems we'll be playing
Speaker 1: the original dev's designs, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you know that's if we are to believe that the
Speaker 1: original devs are gone and you know, old Toat's k
Speaker 1: or whatever, as ArkOS says, is not on the case.
Speaker 1: But I hear you, and I felt the same concern Lero.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, does this mean once we get
Speaker 1: to BWL we are going to start to see a
Speaker 1: different dev's designs, because quite frankly, I've been on the
Speaker 1: show saying, whoever did all this stuff that we've seen
Speaker 1: through the Leveling experience is a fucking god te dev.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, there's there's a few
Speaker 1: little things that are nitpicky that clearly amateur work. We
Speaker 1: keep talking about the bizarre obsession with not putting in
Speaker 1: any reference to where to turn in a quest through
Speaker 1: all the new quests, and there there's warts but the
Speaker 1: actual quests that they've designed, the law that they've written,
Speaker 1: the dungeons that they've drawn up, the items that they've crafted,
Speaker 1: it's all fucking s plus here. So I want this
Speaker 1: guy making this content going forward. And if you then
Speaker 1: pass the baton over to some other person, well, I'm
Speaker 1: immediately going to say, well, it can only get worse
Speaker 1: from here. I'm not going to believe he can get
Speaker 1: the same or better. So I completely am with you
Speaker 1: there anyone else on this.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it does make me a bit nervous for the
Speaker 12: future to see what's going to happen. I'm obviously of
Speaker 12: the conspiracy theory that they're all still working from behind
Speaker 12: and behind the scenes, and you know, this is a
Speaker 12: nice curtain. So I don't think it's going to change
Speaker 12: much long term, but we'll have to see how the
Speaker 12: content rolls out. We see a big fall off in
Speaker 12: content or style change, we'll definitely know that, Hey, there's
Speaker 12: probably different people behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with mrco If anything, it's made me
Speaker 1: want to get through that not necessarily get through the
Speaker 1: content quicker, but I want to see as much of
Speaker 1: this new content as I can before any kind of
Speaker 1: shit hits the fan, because I'm really in Not only
Speaker 1: am I number one, first and foremost and most importantly
Speaker 1: enjoying the new content and going through that experience as
Speaker 1: a player, I'm also in the back of my head
Speaker 1: whether or not this is I mean, you could say
Speaker 1: whether or not this is fair. I think it's entirely fair.
Speaker 1: I am building a case against Blizzard for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, in terms of this creates the bar
Speaker 1: to which to compare them against. And if I've seen
Speaker 1: heaps of content and Epoch, I can then play whatever
Speaker 1: Blizzard throws out next and completely have a solid comparative
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, well, yeah, I played a shitload
Speaker 1: of Epoch and I know what a good Classic Plus
Speaker 1: server can look like, and you are now being judged
Speaker 1: against that, And if you fail the smell test, then
Speaker 1: I'm going to go fucking ballistic. Whereas if I didn't
Speaker 1: play that much of Epoch, then everything I mean this
Speaker 1: might be part of Blizzard's ploy as well. If you
Speaker 1: didn't get to see that much of Epoch, or if
Speaker 1: you got scared away from it, then you're going into
Speaker 1: their version of Classic Plus relatively, you know, with with
Speaker 1: fresh eyes. You don't know what you know you could
Speaker 1: have had elsewhere, and so you may be more likely
Speaker 1: to view their stuff favorably as opposed to, Hey, someone
Speaker 1: else did this and they did it a lot better
Speaker 1: than you. So there's that angle too. So what I'm
Speaker 1: getting at, guys, I'll point people out here. Maybe now, Yack,
Speaker 1: let me throw to you if that's okay, mate, you
Speaker 1: might have been happily listening in, but I'll throw you
Speaker 1: in the fire here. Did this news change your you know,
Speaker 1: attack plan with Epoch at all?
Speaker 15: Not?
Speaker 16: Really, It's solidified the fact that I'm not going back
Speaker 16: to a Blizzard server at this point. It's Epoch has
Speaker 16: been so good that like, there's there's no other offering
Speaker 16: like it that Blizzard isn't already threatening. So if the
Speaker 16: server does shut down, and I agree, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think it will. I think Ascension is going to
Speaker 4: keep it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, fair enough.
Speaker 4: If it does shut down, there's just no wow for me.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm in the same boat if if this
Speaker 1: thing gets unplugged, I'll I'll just stop playing well for
Speaker 1: a while. One, I'm not going to MOP I'm not
Speaker 1: going to Anniversary. There's no fucking way I'm playing TBC
Speaker 1: Anniversary any of that shit. I'll just I'll literally just
Speaker 1: go do some other shit for whatever amount of time.
Speaker 1: Having now played Epoch, I don't want to play anything
Speaker 1: else that is not the same, if not better. It's
Speaker 1: really you know you b and I threw around that
Speaker 1: term angry a few times during the last couple of podcasts,
Speaker 1: and in all honesty, the more I play Epoch, the
Speaker 1: angrier and angrier I get. Another log gets thrown on
Speaker 1: the fire with each hour that I go through Epoch,
Speaker 1: and specifically now that I am entering well into the
Speaker 1: meat of the game, where the new content has now
Speaker 1: been shown to me, you know, we said on the podcast,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, it seems like the new content
Speaker 1: doesn't really truly fire up until about level thirty five onwards.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent the case for all you guys
Speaker 1: that are still leveling on Epoch, if anything, I'd say,
Speaker 1: really from like forty onwards, level forty onwards. Then you
Speaker 1: start to see all these new quests that they cooked
Speaker 1: up in every fucking zone, all the new towns, settlements,
Speaker 1: quest lines. It's all happening now. And even just since
Speaker 1: we last recorded on Saturday, when I would have been
Speaker 1: like level forty four or forty five, I've now since
Speaker 1: completed ferulous and tannerous, and you know, my jaws on
Speaker 1: the ground of just like again, we keep saying the
Speaker 1: line it doesn't take much to impress us, and that's
Speaker 1: what they've done. It feels like a lot and a
Speaker 1: little all at the same time. I mean, I look
Speaker 1: back on what I just did in Tanneris and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: what are we talking here? It was like one new
Speaker 1: settlement and maybe I don't know, maybe ten new quests, right,
Speaker 1: like only ten new quests something like that. But it
Speaker 1: considerably changed the feel and experience of that zone, and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it as much as, you know, more than
Speaker 1: I ever have. It was fantastic. Ferul Is the same thing,
Speaker 1: not quite to the same extent, but again, a smaller
Speaker 1: new settlement about oh fuck, I don't know, six or
Speaker 1: seven or eight new quests, but considerably changes that zone
Speaker 1: and smooths everything out. I am one hundred percent leaving zones,
Speaker 1: maybe before I've finished all the quests in them, because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, if I don't leave now, i'll absolutely
Speaker 1: out level the zone I want to go to. I
Speaker 1: went to Tanneris at forty nine, thinking, oh god, I've
Speaker 1: come here too late. I'm gonna out level this place.
Speaker 1: No turns out, it was arguably the fucking perfect time
Speaker 1: to go. Forty eight forty nine, go to Tanneris. I
Speaker 1: see all these people running around Tanneris at like forty
Speaker 1: one forty two and I'm like, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you doing here? Like, go see all these other zones.
Speaker 1: You must have said this before on the show. You
Speaker 1: must make it your your quest, your job, your task
Speaker 1: to experience as many of these new zones as you can.
Speaker 1: And the the shitty but really cool thing is you're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to do them all, so
Speaker 1: you will have to go to the ones that you
Speaker 1: didn't see on an OLT maybe, But like as I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just getting angrier and angrier as I do every
Speaker 1: new quest and go. That was really cool, That was
Speaker 1: really classic, and I had to figure it out or
Speaker 1: I had to engage with the community and speak in
Speaker 1: you know, Slash one to figure out what to do
Speaker 1: or get a hint if I needed it. It all
Speaker 1: feels like two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six all over again, and nothing feels
Speaker 1: out of place. It's incredible, and I just start to shake,
Speaker 1: you know, the gift of the clenched fist, Arthur or whatnot,
Speaker 1: you know, just shaking it a little bit more at
Speaker 1: Blizzard as I go, like you you fuck as, you're
Speaker 1: killing me. You haven't done this. Sod was not this
Speaker 1: SOD was amazing, but SOD was not this. And if
Speaker 1: you don't do this next, if not better, you're fucking fucked. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a rant. Anyone agreed, disagree anything on that, I agree.
Speaker 6: I agree as well, Like this is actually the best
Speaker 6: server to level alts on. Like, if you want to
Speaker 6: experience all the new zones, like all the new quests,
Speaker 6: not new zones, but the revamped zones, you gotta level alts.
Speaker 6: That's your only option. Like, so, like having a bunch
Speaker 6: of alts on this service is going to be perfect.
Speaker 12: But that's the awesome thing. You could like have multiple
Speaker 12: playthroughs of this and have completely different experiences two, three,
Speaker 12: four times almost, it seems. I mean, that's just something
Speaker 12: I've never been able to do. In Wow, you kind
Speaker 12: of have to have the way you level is the
Speaker 12: most efficient way level, and there's usually no other way
Speaker 12: to do it but that and just gives you so
Speaker 12: many options to explore with different classes in the future
Speaker 12: that you could really just spend so much time.
Speaker 1: Bernstein, let me just jump in and say, like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel bad in all honesty, Like you're saying you
Speaker 1: recruited some friends from blizz servers to come and play
Speaker 1: Epoch and now they've dropped this news and you feel
Speaker 1: horrible because you feel like it's all going away. Mate,
Speaker 1: Just keep going like I don't see the problem, Like
Speaker 1: like they've said that they're not planning on taking the
Speaker 1: server down. I have Fuck you think you feel bad, mate,
Speaker 1: I've been producing a podcast for the last month that
Speaker 1: goes out to about four or five thousand unique players
Speaker 1: around the world that I've been screaming for the rooftop
Speaker 1: come and play this server. If anyone should feel the
Speaker 1: most horrible, it's me. And I don't feel horrible at all.
Speaker 1: I feel great. I have no regrets whatsoever about saying
Speaker 1: to people, hey, guys, there's this really cool experience. You
Speaker 1: should come and check it out, because I'm fucking right,
Speaker 1: because it is amazing. And all of you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Josh, we came and played with you
Speaker 1: on the and we have no regrets, like it's been
Speaker 1: in a fucking fantastic experience. And you know, I was
Speaker 1: just running around again in Tannerous last night, going like
Speaker 1: I legit, I am starting to feel chemical reactions in
Speaker 1: my body and my mind is pinging in ways that
Speaker 1: I haven't felt since two thousand and six when I
Speaker 1: first jumped on and played Vanilla. It feels amazing. It
Speaker 1: is like and that what we keep saying is despite
Speaker 1: the buggy mess that it is, and it is a
Speaker 1: buggy mess, you guys are right to say that people
Speaker 1: are a little bit of hyperbolic. I feel with the
Speaker 1: new quests. Don't get me wrong. A bunch of the
Speaker 1: new quests are not working, but a bunch of them are.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think people go, oh yeah, seventy
Speaker 1: five percent of the new quests aren't working. No, in
Speaker 1: my experience, it's probably been about about two new quests
Speaker 1: per zone are not working, which is frustrating, but like whatever,
Speaker 1: you go do the ones that are working. I don't get,
Speaker 1: you know, bent out of shape about it. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on that needs to be fixed with the server,
Speaker 1: but despite how buggy it is, we're still playing and
Speaker 1: telling other people to come play with us, and like,
Speaker 1: for the the experience is overcoming the bugginess, and I
Speaker 1: think that says so much for this server. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: who else wants to chime in on this point of
Speaker 1: anger that I keep hammering home about. Do you get
Speaker 1: more and more pissy as you play epoch.
Speaker 4: I definitely do.
Speaker 17: So easy to.
Speaker 4: Control R and T. We've seen.
Speaker 2: All you do is just you ban people publicly, and
Speaker 2: you ban buyers for good. And then no matter no
Speaker 2: matter what the incentives are for bots, you don't have
Speaker 2: to you don't have to fight with the bars of
Speaker 2: the sellers. You just go after buyers and you publicly
Speaker 2: shame them and you and you ban them for good,
Speaker 2: and then everyone's scared. Everyone.
Speaker 4: It's a culture.
Speaker 2: Every nobody wants to risk it, risk it.
Speaker 11: I don't know if they can do that on the
Speaker 11: real service, but the hit of dopamine I get every
Speaker 11: time I see the little chat messages that's like this
Speaker 11: guy got.
Speaker 1: Banned inact Yeah. Yeah, it's so good every direct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just going nuts every time they do it.
Speaker 1: It's great, but I'm like, what, why couldn't please do it?
Speaker 1: I know, we sort of. I appreciate that the hesitation going,
Speaker 1: oh could they do this? Like literally, if one server
Speaker 1: is doing it, I don't see why another couldn't.
Speaker 6: I think they would have to reinstate the Like gms, you.
Speaker 12: Would see so many chat bands and stuff like that.
Speaker 14: They don't want to to a money issue, because you
Speaker 14: can ban somebody in a free server who cares. You're
Speaker 14: not really losing anything. But you start banning you know,
Speaker 14: your jub there's there's a lot of your money gone,
Speaker 14: even if it is just you know, bot accounts or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, part of it. No, No, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about whether or not they would do it. I mean
Speaker 1: more the technical aspect of you know, Blizzard announcing it
Speaker 1: publicly on the server as it's happening now. Like you're saying,
Speaker 1: there would be too many and I mentioned this on
Speaker 1: the podcast before as well, there would be so many
Speaker 1: it would be unreadable. You couldn't flood chat like that.
Speaker 1: But there's there's other ways you could do it. They
Speaker 1: could also, like you know, not that they would, but
Speaker 1: there's always a work around. You could, you know, weakly
Speaker 1: put up like a fucking list of shame on your
Speaker 1: website of here's all the names of everyone control effort
Speaker 1: if you want, for everyone we've banned, you could have
Speaker 1: a separate chat channel in the default uy that for
Speaker 1: whatever fucking reason, if people wanted to, you could just
Speaker 1: scroll through and see who's been banned in the last hour.
Speaker 1: There are ways to do it, but not necessarily like
Speaker 1: ways that are very practical.
Speaker 12: Oh, they could absolutely do it they wanted to.
Speaker 1: But I do agree that, and we're going to do
Speaker 1: a really big podcast on this coming up in the
Speaker 1: really near future. Guys, I promise you the ridiculously positive
Speaker 1: effect that this has had on the server. There's there's
Speaker 1: there's three or four really big points about Epoch that
Speaker 1: we we scream about because we feel like Blizzard won't
Speaker 1: be able to do it. That makes Epoch successful. It's
Speaker 1: you know, like you just said, the active and very
Speaker 1: public humiliation of the banning of bots and hackers. That's great.
Speaker 1: The worldwide nature of the server, the fact that this
Speaker 1: is one region, one server. It's global, the server never sleeps,
Speaker 1: we're all playing together. That is like considerably in the
Speaker 1: service favor. Look, I'll get in a very very heated
Speaker 1: debate about this one day, but I still stand by
Speaker 1: this third point. The cross faction is fucking huge for
Speaker 1: this server. It is one of the biggest one of
Speaker 1: the other big reasons it is succeeding so well. You know,
Speaker 1: people want and UBI is one of them. And I
Speaker 1: think that just quietly UB is coming around on the
Speaker 1: old cross cross faction point. He was absolutely against the
Speaker 1: World of Warcraft. This whole ip is based on factions
Speaker 1: hating each other and all that shit. And then we
Speaker 1: see what happens when you just stop giving a fuck
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff and seeing what it does
Speaker 1: for the gameplay. And people are loving it. And there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a huge argument, a huge one coming up
Speaker 1: about this later on when I've bet I can already
Speaker 1: see it. Guys, all the guys that didn't play Epoch
Speaker 1: are going to go They're gonna get so angry and
Speaker 1: they're gonna get real, real harsh on this one. Going
Speaker 1: no cross faction. You can never has cross cross faction
Speaker 1: in World of Warcraft. It fucking ruins the RP. It
Speaker 1: ruins my immersion. I don't want to see a fucking
Speaker 1: dwarf standing next to me in my dungeon. And then
Speaker 1: we fucking see it on Epoch and go, hey, cauntz,
Speaker 1: we just played the server that had it. Turns out
Speaker 1: it's a fucking toothless tiger. Shut the fuck up. That's
Speaker 1: just me. Does anyone feel that way?
Speaker 4: Oh? Totally.
Speaker 2: And it's not even if you want to be like
Speaker 2: a lawyer, purist or a Lord Nerd, like, what about
Speaker 2: Warcraft three? What about every single desoring, every single expansion
Speaker 2: where Hordellizes put aside their differences and come to go
Speaker 2: to fight the big bad boss.
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm telling you you're going to start hearing
Speaker 1: a line from me a lot in the future of
Speaker 1: this podcast, because when we start discussing what Blizzards should
Speaker 1: and should not include in their Classic Plus, fucking put
Speaker 1: a penny in the jar for every time you hear
Speaker 1: Josh say this, did you play EPOC? Did you play Epoch?
Speaker 1: Because whenever someone throws something out there that we've lived
Speaker 1: through on Epoch and they're like, I don't think this
Speaker 1: should be in Classic Plus, or I think this should
Speaker 1: be in Classic Plus, I'm gonna go, did you play APOC?
Speaker 1: And they'll say no, and I'll go then shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. Sorry, that's just yeah.
Speaker 12: I will say, uh. Cross faction is growing on me.
Speaker 12: I was very lukewarm to the concept, but I didn't
Speaker 12: really have a choice, so just you know, kind of
Speaker 12: sucked it up. But as things have gone on, I
Speaker 12: have seen the benefits of it and I really do
Speaker 12: like the ability of Hey, it didn't matter which way
Speaker 12: which faction you ruled on we get to play together.
Speaker 12: I like to be able to find people easier for dungeons,
Speaker 12: which is you know, gameplay mechanic, being.
Speaker 1: Able to group of people.
Speaker 12: I like that a lot more. I'm still a little
Speaker 12: hesitant on being able to communicate with people who are
Speaker 12: ganking me or I am killing.
Speaker 1: So that is a little that's a wrinkle. That's an
Speaker 1: I don't love either. I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 1: That's a weird wrinkle that needs some form of workaround.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Maybe they're like, you know, you couldn't communicate with some
Speaker 12: body for like ten minutes after you fight them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if they appear in your combat log, like
Speaker 1: you get like a momentary yeah mute. Yeah.
Speaker 8: One of may that leave of legends is that you
Speaker 8: can like all chat the enemy team. I think it's
Speaker 8: so cool that I can like talk to the guy
Speaker 8: who I'm fighting.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting. It leads to a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, look, this is it. It really is
Speaker 1: just a forum on how you feel about talking shit
Speaker 1: and toxicity in your video games. A lot of people
Speaker 1: love it that that, Like, they like I said that
Speaker 1: I always reference the people that were born and bred
Speaker 1: in the cod lobbies that that's their bread and butter
Speaker 1: of like, this is what you do. It's a competitive game.
Speaker 1: You talk a bit of shit, you flame each other,
Speaker 1: and then you walk away, and that's that's the fun
Speaker 1: of gaming. That Look, if people want that in I'm
Speaker 1: not particularly gonna like go too hard on it because
Speaker 1: I'll just choose that's fine. I'll just choose not to
Speaker 1: engage with it whatever. I'm kind of done with my
Speaker 1: World PvP days anyway. But you know, I do also
Speaker 1: respect the other side of the argument that it can
Speaker 1: embolden the truly toxic player to like really harass people.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's definitely. It just feels it's probably also because
Speaker 12: it feels different too, Like we've never done that before,
Speaker 12: so it just maybe feels different than if I was
Speaker 12: playing a different game and I could communicate. I may
Speaker 12: not find it as abnormal in that situation, just because
Speaker 12: my monkey brain tells me, Wow, we don't talk to
Speaker 12: the other faction. They're just you know, this other thing
Speaker 12: out there. So that's just some of the few things
Speaker 12: kind of working through my head right now. I am
Speaker 12: also a bit on the lore too. I do like
Speaker 12: having the two separate factions law wise, but it's growing
Speaker 12: on me. It is growing on me.
Speaker 1: I love to hear it. And then that's that's the
Speaker 1: kind of account that people need to here, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm just we'll get we'll get to
Speaker 1: the cross faction thing.
Speaker 4: Light up.
Speaker 12: I would say, don't don't knock it before you try it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be my whole point. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I go, go go.
Speaker 2: That's that's the question. Have you played Warcraft three? Like
Speaker 2: there are little missions where you're playing.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I know, yeah almost.
Speaker 2: And you're helping and you're helping works and humans oh
Speaker 2: yea together.
Speaker 12: Almost all the lore and expansions have us coming together
Speaker 12: to fight the big bag at the end. It's like
Speaker 12: pretty much I don't know, eight out of ten endings
Speaker 12: of expansions at this point or something like that. So
Speaker 12: I definitely get that wise, and but I really like
Speaker 12: the whole idea of like, hey, it's two separate factions
Speaker 12: going at each other, you know, this kind of mentality
Speaker 12: of us against them. I like that idea overall. So
Speaker 12: I'm still a little interested in like, Okay, well technically
Speaker 12: we're kind of friends, but we could fight each other,
Speaker 12: but we're kind of friends, so I don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, do you feel that having the separate quest lines
Speaker 8: in capital cities and still being able to world PvP
Speaker 8: doesn't enough to like protect.
Speaker 4: That for you?
Speaker 12: It's more of a and it's it's it's kind of
Speaker 12: hard to just it's more of an abstract thought and
Speaker 12: feeling where it's like, hey, there's the other side. They
Speaker 12: are dangerous to me. It was also cause I used
Speaker 12: to roll on PvP servers too, so it's a little different.
Speaker 12: So there the other side, they are dangerous to me.
Speaker 12: I have to be careful when I'm around them and
Speaker 12: engaging with them because at any point they could fight
Speaker 12: me and kill me. Same thing I could fight and
Speaker 12: kill them. So that has always been my logic, especially
Speaker 12: come from PvP servers. I think coming from a PvE
Speaker 12: server perspective, it's a different thought process. So it's really
Speaker 12: just trying to reframe my head around this and seeing
Speaker 12: if it's something I could live with long term. I
Speaker 12: think it will be fine long term for me, But
Speaker 12: it's just something where I've had it's just been ingrained
Speaker 12: in me for fifteen fucking years. That you know, Hordon
Speaker 12: and Alliance we fight each other, and to try to
Speaker 12: go back on that is really tough.
Speaker 1: It's some yeah for me, just my two centses. We
Speaker 1: still absolutely have the ability to fight each other. So
Speaker 1: I've got no drama with the like eye. He can
Speaker 1: choose when you're my friend and when you're not. I
Speaker 1: think that option works for some reason on Epoch, But
Speaker 1: I mean that's just me. Hey, las, can I just
Speaker 1: ask real quick? We see you just running your body
Speaker 1: back to b r D. Did you see something fun
Speaker 1: and you on that boss you were attempting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually a lot of the bosses were challenging. Feelings
Speaker 2: was very challenging. We had to do like a really
Speaker 2: weird strat This wasn't really weird, start to stand in
Speaker 2: a certain place because he did a lot of ao
Speaker 2: weed damage. Let me attempted. The boss was way higher
Speaker 2: than us. The Salamander fire Boss, I forget his name,
Speaker 2: but he's got new mechanics that are we haven't really
Speaker 2: figured out yet. But so it's more than just a
Speaker 2: spanking perspective.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, is there's so much more ao we damage
Speaker 3: was just.
Speaker 1: A br D on the whole looks really challenging and fun.
Speaker 1: Would that be fair?
Speaker 9: To say absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a big fan of challenge
Speaker 2: just for challenge sake. But some of the new mechanics
Speaker 2: are fun. Some are overtuned like some some are not.
Speaker 10: But we went as far as yeah, overall.
Speaker 2: I do like some of changes. I think they have
Speaker 2: more work to do. It's definitely not Yeah, not a
Speaker 2: polish for this product yet fair.
Speaker 1: Enough expired and expired thumbs up thumbs down from you.
Speaker 1: The b r D experience, I loven't it.
Speaker 10: I mean, I like BRD as a dungeon anyway. It's
Speaker 10: just it's just so big and so long. But no,
Speaker 10: it was nice to see, like most of most of
Speaker 10: the bosses have got new mechanics. It's making us sink,
Speaker 10: like if we but we we had Phalanks or whatever
Speaker 10: his name is in the in the Bar, the Golden Boss,
Speaker 10: and we wiped a few times trying to get used
Speaker 10: to the new mechanic of that, and eventually we managed
Speaker 10: to nail it just now. But yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 10: like challenging content. It's it's doable if you do it
Speaker 10: the right way, but it's challenging enough to make you
Speaker 10: think about what you're doing, which is the aspects I like,
Speaker 10: and a lot of these dungeons we've had, Like when
Speaker 10: we did mar Done a few days ago, that was
Speaker 10: the same seeing new stuff with bosses and stuff, and
Speaker 10: you're thinking, oh, oh, because one of I think one
Speaker 10: of the bosses that surprises was a oxy on what
Speaker 10: his name is?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, the other day. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well it's a nice fight, but it's a horrible fight
Speaker 10: if you if you don't know what's happening. Oh, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Yes. I think we had one of our new warriors
Speaker 1: in the guild sort of just stand in the fire
Speaker 1: and die horrible death, and there was something that maybe
Speaker 1: they weren't used to.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna add because I've been healing
Speaker 3: through all these dungeons, which I'm not I've never normally healed,
Speaker 3: so I don't know if it's just because I'm a
Speaker 3: bad healer if it's really tough, But I like the
Speaker 3: don't stand and fire mechanics because there's a very obvious
Speaker 3: way to avoid it, and it's good on the players.
Speaker 3: It's like a little check of like hey, can you
Speaker 3: like stop tunnel vision and tunnel visioning for a minute
Speaker 3: and just move over. But the b r D has
Speaker 3: had a lot of just like, oh, I'm just going
Speaker 3: to do AoE to the whole group kind of mechanics
Speaker 3: unavoidable less those are a lot less fun because it
Speaker 3: doesn't really feel like there's anything you can do. Like
Speaker 3: it turned out with the Philings, you could l os it,
Speaker 3: which thank god this fifth Rando and our group told
Speaker 3: us about it ahead of time. We probably wouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to have taken him down without the strat of like,
Speaker 3: well if you take him here, then the range can
Speaker 3: ls here and the melee go there, you know. But
Speaker 3: like that boss, we just attempted. Uh you know, maybe
Speaker 3: it'll just take a few more looks at it. But
Speaker 3: it's just as the Healer, it's like if there's nothing
Speaker 3: I can do to not take damage. As the heeler,
Speaker 3: it's just very frustrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a controversial opinion, and I appreciate that
Speaker 1: not a lot of Wow Classic fans will be into this.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying, you know, Classic Plus should have this,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what I like. I am a big
Speaker 1: fan in MMOs of the Final Fantasy fourteen way of
Speaker 1: doing it, and I know retail. Retail sort of does
Speaker 1: this halfway. Final Fantasy fourteen is just dance dance revolution
Speaker 1: for your character avoiding incredibly well lit, highlighted zones on
Speaker 1: the the boss fight map of where the fire is
Speaker 1: about to be, so you have like different indicators of like,
Speaker 1: you know, this half of the room is about to
Speaker 1: be sprayed in a dragon's breath. You've got about two
Speaker 1: and a half seconds to get out of it. Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't give you the time, but you know, you
Speaker 1: work it out. And then there's the circles that just
Speaker 1: to start popping up everywhere when like mass bombs start
Speaker 1: getting dropped. And what I'm getting at is, I know
Speaker 1: retail does this, but they don't do it. This is
Speaker 1: more stylistic choice preference by the players. Where do you
Speaker 1: like this? The more the subtlety of wow retail where
Speaker 1: it's the circles aren't as obvious and it kind of
Speaker 1: blends into the environment a little bit better, maybe increasing
Speaker 1: your immersion or are you okay with the sort of
Speaker 1: you know, wildly animated so fucking obvious you couldn't miss it,
Speaker 1: like bright blue AoE circles that appear on your screen
Speaker 1: and Final Fantasy fourteen. I liked fourteen. I liked just
Speaker 1: really bright circles that completely, you know, arguably broke the
Speaker 1: immersion and said, do not stand here. Something is coming
Speaker 1: and your character is constantly moving through fights, and it
Speaker 1: engaged me. It's part of the reason I loved fourteen.
Speaker 1: Dungeons and raids were a blast because you're always avoiding
Speaker 1: shit while happening while having to pump out your dps
Speaker 1: or heels at the same time. But that's it's just me,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the Classic players will be like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to park my characters stand on the same
Speaker 1: spot and just do my rotation. That's cool. That's something
Speaker 1: as well. I know that when it comes to to
Speaker 1: like you say, the unavoidable AOI damage is a mechanic
Speaker 1: that sometimes you need to implement to make sure that
Speaker 1: the challenge is there on the healer a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do prefer of just knowing where the
Speaker 1: fire is, even though it's it's pretty obvious in Wow
Speaker 1: Classic where the fire is generally it's a fire. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just me.
Speaker 12: I eat things bright. I'm getting my eyes are getting
Speaker 12: worse at my older age, so I definitely need bright
Speaker 12: shiny things in front of me.
Speaker 16: Everybody uses dBm right, so like you're getting as audio
Speaker 16: cues anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 8: In fourteen, are they is the indicator like standardized across
Speaker 8: all the bosses or are they still thematic.
Speaker 1: To like, No, it's standardized, So they have a variety
Speaker 1: of different indicators. They're all standardized. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what like a static fire is like I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, like I haven't played in so long, Like
Speaker 1: an incoming wave of things is what spread bombs are?
Speaker 1: You know what? A like a soak has a particular
Speaker 1: indicator as well when you need to stack things like that.
Speaker 12: Oh so you even know kind of what the mechanic
Speaker 12: is before it even happens.
Speaker 1: Yes, so literally stack has like it puts a particular
Speaker 1: marker about like a player gets a d bove. Let's
Speaker 1: say it's like a living bomb that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you all need to stand on that player to divide
Speaker 1: the damage. That player who gets the DBAVE gets an
Speaker 1: incredibly obvious, like you know, skull type marker above their
Speaker 1: head and you watch the whole raid without being told,
Speaker 1: we'll just converge and stack on that player.
Speaker 8: That sounds so nice for like LFR type situations.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have no idea, and like.
Speaker 8: The visual clarity is just instantly there. You can probably
Speaker 8: make the fights a lot harder and more varied because
Speaker 8: and they.
Speaker 1: Do, and the fights get pretty intense because it's like
Speaker 1: reading sheet music. Everyone knows what the six or seven
Speaker 1: indicators mean, so they just literally, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: perfect for pugs because ninety percent of the pug knows
Speaker 1: what to do, even if they're terrible players, they mostly
Speaker 1: know that means run here, that means run away from that,
Speaker 1: you know, and they all just do it.
Speaker 12: That's an interesting concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out watch videos fourteen.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, well about this the highlighting of area of effects,
Speaker 6: like because I don't run dBm, I don't run week
Speaker 6: or as at least not now, but I did the
Speaker 6: dead Man, New Dead Mines, the revamped Dead Mines, and
Speaker 6: the Mister Smite fight. Yeah, where the ship fires the
Speaker 6: guns the guns at you. I actually kind of liked
Speaker 6: that I had to keep an eye on the ship,
Speaker 6: like where where are the guns firing at I didn't
Speaker 6: have anything to notice me before you hear the guns
Speaker 6: going off, so obviously you know something is coming, but
Speaker 6: you still have to look at the ship, like where
Speaker 6: are where the projectile is going to land? We did
Speaker 6: have some bad orange though, and we got stunned, like
Speaker 6: in the same time as the cannons fired, so we
Speaker 6: couldn't move out of the fire. But you know, that's life.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm like I said, I'm not calling for this
Speaker 1: to come to Classic Plus or any form of Wow
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm not saying just through what Final Fantasy
Speaker 1: fourteen does. All I'm saying is I know that's what
Speaker 1: I prefer, and that's what I like. Guys, we'll go
Speaker 1: back to I guess. I mean, there's only so much
Speaker 1: to talk about with this legal news, Like we said,
Speaker 1: I mean, fuck, we've been told what we've been told.
Speaker 1: They're going to keep going with everything, you know, do
Speaker 1: you I guess we'll just talk about a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Do you guys truly think that, you know, the Epoch
Speaker 1: developers aren't going anywhere and they will just keep making
Speaker 1: stuff for this game in the shadows?
Speaker 12: I absolutely do. I think that this is kind of
Speaker 12: a big smoke screen and that the people who've been
Speaker 12: working on this project for four years looking forward to
Speaker 12: developing these raids looking for people to play. These raids
Speaker 12: aren't going to bandon it so easily. So I definitely
Speaker 12: think that they're just going to say, hey, we want
Speaker 12: to work on our stuff behind the shadows. We were
Speaker 12: already kind of now behind the shadows now that Ascension
Speaker 12: took the public face of everything. Yeah, though, it's really
Speaker 12: just us turning off the webs site and closing the
Speaker 12: discord I think at this point and just letting Ascension
Speaker 12: take all the heat and flak for everything, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Good anyone else on this one. Do you expect them
Speaker 1: to go away or stay put development wise?
Speaker 6: No, I think they're going to stay put. Like I mean,
Speaker 6: they've spent five years on this project. They're not just
Speaker 6: gonna leave it be. There's no way. There's no way.
Speaker 6: There's too much time investment.
Speaker 1: And it's not like my point before was, and it's
Speaker 1: not like they just it's not like they just found
Speaker 1: out overnight that this was illegal, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, sorry, someone else is going to jump
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: It was well, I was just was My question is
Speaker 3: how traceable is the money?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: Because I think so Nami had mentioned in guild chat
Speaker 3: like that Atot's quit his job or their job, like
Speaker 3: to work on this full time, like recently. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's true or not, but just thinking of
Speaker 3: being in the first respective of like I just quit
Speaker 3: my job, right, Like, what are my options? My options
Speaker 3: are either I go begging back to my old job,
Speaker 3: or you know, I gotta keep working on this on
Speaker 3: the slide. But then how am I getting paid on
Speaker 3: the slide?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, as people were pointing out, I hope you got
Speaker 1: that money up front from Ascension in the deal.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 1: So look, I, like I said, there's only so much
Speaker 1: to talk about with the legal side of things, guys,
Speaker 1: because we don't know what's going to happen. But like
Speaker 1: we've talked about what we think is going to happen.
Speaker 1: The service stays up and keeps going for now, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep going. It sounds like a lot
Speaker 1: of you are going to keep going. Is anyone aware
Speaker 1: of anyone that, like, did you guys have any compulsion
Speaker 1: to stop? Do you know of anyone that was like, ah,
Speaker 1: that's it now, that's enough to scare me off.
Speaker 8: I saw a couple of people in the Countdown discord
Speaker 8: saying that who were going to take a few days
Speaker 8: off and kind of see if it blows over. My
Speaker 8: initial reaction was a little bit panicky, but has been
Speaker 8: more stabilized by the way that everyone else is reacting.
Speaker 8: I'm a little more worried about the overall server population though.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's five hundred people online right now, so
Speaker 8: still plenty of people to play. But I have a
Speaker 8: little bit of PTSD looked over from seasonal Discovery where
Speaker 8: I shoke a few took a few phases off, and
Speaker 8: when I came back it wasn't impossible to find groups
Speaker 8: for lower level quests and mold raids and stuff. So
Speaker 8: now I kind of got a fire under my ass
Speaker 8: to get through as much of the content as I
Speaker 8: can while people are actively doing it.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that will save this server will
Speaker 1: be obviously the custom content. Like I said, if word
Speaker 1: starts going around and we haven't had we haven't had
Speaker 1: the bulk of the player base hit the new content yet,
Speaker 1: I would say the average player right now is like
Speaker 1: level thirty, you know, thirty to thirty five. Let's say,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but when when that bulkhead starts reaching
Speaker 1: forty plus and really starts getting their teeth sunk into
Speaker 1: the new content, word's going to spread around and I think,
Speaker 1: like I'm with you, like we are now only what
Speaker 1: three weeks from launch, and we kind of laugh at
Speaker 1: that figure of sixty fifty forty thirty thousand people. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, there's going to be a million players on Epoch. No,
Speaker 1: it's settled right down. It's like you say, five thousand online,
Speaker 1: maybe ten thousand and fifteen thousand, eighteen thousand total, who
Speaker 1: fucking knows. But it's not like a Bonker's server by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. But if that content delivers,
Speaker 1: like like we say, Turtle Wow started from nothing, it
Speaker 1: had like two hundred players for like its first eighteen
Speaker 1: months or something. If Epochs starting point is like five ten,
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand, and it goes from strength to strength and
Speaker 1: they do happen to keep making good content, like it
Speaker 1: could conceivably grow considerably from here. But who's to say?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and still like five thousand people on one server
Speaker 6: is more than enough players for.
Speaker 3: It to be active.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean, especially when it's cross faction as well.
Speaker 8: I think at this point it's more about new players
Speaker 8: starting though, because people kind of fall off all the time.
Speaker 8: A couple of weeks into a server, and you know,
Speaker 8: the meme is like is it too late to start?
Speaker 8: But you know, now if you're a month in and
Speaker 8: there's a season desist letter and the project we dipped,
Speaker 8: is it too late to start?
Speaker 1: I did still confidently start. I don't know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: the one the most important piece of news from all
Speaker 1: these was the Ascension team coming out saying shoulder shruck,
Speaker 1: we don't care life goes on service, not going anywhere.
Speaker 12: And it was so fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very fast. They had that one fucking
Speaker 1: locked and loaded. So you know, with that kind of
Speaker 1: confidence from them, then yeah, sure, I mean I'll keep going.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was going to keep going anyway
Speaker 1: until it's shut down. But let's let's do it, guys. Look,
Speaker 1: I'll segue off the legal stuff because like I said,
Speaker 1: there's there's really only so much to talk about, and
Speaker 1: I think we've pretty much covered it. Arcoss. Are you
Speaker 1: still there with us, my friend? Oh no, that's all right. Look,
Speaker 1: we won't keep you up too long. I want to
Speaker 1: I want to touch base with you, big guy, and
Speaker 1: I just I just want to say, are you okay? Like,
Speaker 1: are you how you guys? This epoch rocked you to
Speaker 1: your very core.
Speaker 9: No, I wouldn't say that there's deftly some stuff that's
Speaker 9: annoying or like unexpected.
Speaker 1: Like like leveling.
Speaker 9: No, like two hours ago, I made a id stack
Speaker 9: of bandages and then I relocked and it was gone.
Speaker 1: And I need it. I need them to live.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean yeah, like it's just random silly things.
Speaker 9: Sometimes it's don't word.
Speaker 1: But I thought I thought, I thought you were ready
Speaker 1: to quit.
Speaker 9: No, no, I have not had anything bad like that.
Speaker 9: Worrior leveling has always come. It's just the ill or
Speaker 9: for the course.
Speaker 1: I'll tell my favorite Arcost story to your face. I
Speaker 1: think we mentioned it very briefly on the show on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I told the listeners ar costs, because I know you
Speaker 1: don't listen to the show, so I'll tell you now.
Speaker 1: I was saying that my favorite, maybe my favorite encapsulation
Speaker 1: of who you are as a person of all time
Speaker 1: happens when you know someone in the guild said sorry,
Speaker 1: You said to the guild, uh, you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to dead minds, and and someone replied to you, cool,
Speaker 1: what do you need? And you replied, curse. I supposed
Speaker 1: to tank eels or dps.
Speaker 9: Yeah. The other someone was a warrior, and I was like,
Speaker 9: is this guy really asking what items? I don't give
Speaker 9: a fuck about the items. I'm going to get the quests.
Speaker 1: No, But it was the robot arcos of Like literally,
Speaker 1: we said on the podcast, ninety nine percent of Wow
Speaker 1: players know when they're talking with in the context of
Speaker 1: a dungeon run and someone says what do you need?
Speaker 1: They know they're talking about, Oh do you do you
Speaker 1: have a healer? Do you need a healer? Do you
Speaker 1: need a couple of dps? What are you looking for?
Speaker 1: And you replied with quests, which just proves to me
Speaker 1: you are a robot sent back in time to just
Speaker 1: destroy Wow servers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all going on joined exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything filled the ship when you joined the server.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True. Actually, I'm just happy that for once people don't
Speaker 1: get to say that Josh Rue and the serbar. We
Speaker 1: can say our coss ruin the server.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I might, I might, I might make that my
Speaker 9: goal in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Actually, there you go. Look, tell us about your warrior.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed all the funny little bugs? And have
Speaker 1: you been raging or not raging?
Speaker 9: So no, I mean I'm not sure if I've run
Speaker 9: into a proper bug, but Church feels weird. It's it
Speaker 9: feels very cartoony, and it breaks on any type of
Speaker 9: line of sight. Even if it's just like a tree
Speaker 9: that you can walk through, it won't go through, which
Speaker 9: is annoying, and like playing Salt and Annie and Epoch,
Speaker 9: like going in between them. It's really noticeable that when
Speaker 9: you're trying to charge something that's like very it's not
Speaker 9: too close, but it is close, but there's a small
Speaker 9: rock in between that you can easily jump over in
Speaker 9: one jump, and it just won't go through. It's very
Speaker 9: annoying and taxic It doesn't work so right or like
Speaker 9: it sometimes works and sometimes it just does fuck out
Speaker 9: and you get no rage when you're being hit. So yeah,
Speaker 9: you don't really have rage to use abilities.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyone else, sorry kick Iakos.
Speaker 9: No, just that's it. The Warrior is the best class,
Speaker 9: but it's eights to lovel and that's not different too. Okay.
Speaker 1: Anyone else noticed any funny class shit over the last
Speaker 1: few days. Nope, that's all right. Anyone wants to shout
Speaker 1: out any new content or dungeon shit without too many
Speaker 1: spoilers they've seen over the last few days. I'll shout
Speaker 1: out some things like I said, like get your asses
Speaker 1: to Tannerus. Just I did a quest last night that
Speaker 1: was just really fun in terms of, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a mind control aspect, and you guys who have done
Speaker 1: it will know exactly what I'm talking about. Just simple
Speaker 1: dumb fun, very classic, very new, completely making fantastic use
Speaker 1: of spaces that we had no reason to go to before.
Speaker 1: And that's really the the clap on the back that
Speaker 1: I want to give these devs. They've just they've gone
Speaker 1: through every zone from level forty onwards and they've just
Speaker 1: picked out parts of the map and gone, hmmm, why
Speaker 1: there were all these mobs here and nothing to do
Speaker 1: with them. Why let's give them something to do. Huh,
Speaker 1: here's an empty bit of space. There's like this whole
Speaker 1: like quadrant of the map that just has no fucking
Speaker 1: life or flavor. Let's put a settlement there. They've really
Speaker 1: fleshed out things so well to the point of like,
Speaker 1: I'm really glad they didn't just like expand gadget zen
Speaker 1: or whatever and just like build on what was already there. No,
Speaker 1: They've they've filled in the spaces on the canvas, and
Speaker 1: it feels fucking amazing, Like this really feels quicker, Like
Speaker 1: I have zoomed through my forties. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was forty like yesterday, and I'm fifty one now or
Speaker 1: just about to dim fifty one, forty five through fifty one.
Speaker 1: Like my plate time is still long because I'm still
Speaker 1: doing professions and whatnot and being a dickhead. But like
Speaker 1: when I actually knuckle down and start questing, that experience
Speaker 1: bar does fill up noticeably quicker than anything Era or
Speaker 1: Vanilla related in the past that I've played through. Are
Speaker 1: you guys still feeling that quicker experience?
Speaker 12: Oh, it's going by so fast. I keep thinking that
Speaker 12: I'm like forty four or forty three, and I look
Speaker 12: on like I'm forty six. You know, I keep forgetting
Speaker 12: that I'm actually further ahead that I am, and I'm
Speaker 12: still doing dungeons, still exploring, still doing other stuff, and
Speaker 12: it's still going so smoothly.
Speaker 16: I can't can't overstate how good the the leveling experience
Speaker 16: has been as a human. Just Maze's basically said, like, hey,
Speaker 16: we're not leaving the Eastern Kingdoms until we're forced to,
Speaker 16: and we're sitting at forty one forty two and we're
Speaker 16: still doing the same thing. Every zone feels fleshed out.
Speaker 16: It feels like you don't actually have to leave the
Speaker 16: zone to go somewhere else and then come back.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty great experience.
Speaker 1: I've been genuinely sitting around going like you guys know,
Speaker 1: I loved SOT. I loved the leveling experience in SOD.
Speaker 1: But they're very, very different. And so that's why it
Speaker 1: is hard to compare, because it's kind of like doing
Speaker 1: the Apples and Orangest thing, even though they're both like
Speaker 1: you know, vanilla based, you know, twists on the old
Speaker 1: school leveling experience. It's so hard to say. I was
Speaker 1: sitting there going which did I prefer? Did I prefer
Speaker 1: Salt or do I prefer Epoch? And I it's just
Speaker 1: too hard. I just think it's like it really is
Speaker 1: like thrusting different games upon people and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you like better? But the Epoch leveling experience,
Speaker 1: like I say, has been so good. And again I'll
Speaker 1: just sort of say to people, even in spite of
Speaker 1: this news coming out that you know, oh Blizz is
Speaker 1: going in the lawsuit or sorry that season to see
Speaker 1: stuff to Epoch, Like if you haven't rolled on this server,
Speaker 1: still give it a go. Like you you guys need
Speaker 1: to see this to know what a good C plus
Speaker 1: feels like and so that you can gauge whatever Blizzard
Speaker 1: offers us next against you need to know. Please please
Speaker 1: play this so that you fucking know what a good
Speaker 1: version of C plus is. Please And then when we
Speaker 1: have all these arguments in three six nine months on
Speaker 1: the show about what should and shouldn't should and should
Speaker 1: not be in C plus, I want you all to
Speaker 1: be like, Yeah, I played Epoch, so I have a
Speaker 1: good basis upon which to, you know, put forward my arguments.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be arguing against people that are
Speaker 1: just going off of paper based arguments on paper. I
Speaker 1: don't think this will work on a Blizzard server. Well
Speaker 1: we played it in Theory and it fucking worked on Epoch,
Speaker 1: So what do you want us to do? Just please
Speaker 1: give it a go.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I did Wail in Caverns like a couple of
Speaker 6: days ago for the first time, and I was blown
Speaker 6: away to stop myself. Why didn't we get this inside?
Speaker 6: Why it was so good? It was literally one of
Speaker 6: the best dungeons, or at least the pretty prettiest dungeons
Speaker 6: I've ever done.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree, and this is where I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to come back to old fucking crampers. Arcosts and Arcos
Speaker 1: threw in another very interesting little tidbit in the discord
Speaker 1: the other day where it's like, I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to do my best Arcoss impression where he goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know why you guys are so fucking excited about
Speaker 1: this new whaling cabins. It's just the same old shit
Speaker 1: that it was, fucking just average. Why are you guys
Speaker 1: coming all over the place about this Arcos? Was that
Speaker 1: a fair impression?
Speaker 9: I went in there and I was like, you know,
Speaker 9: the visuals are very much more like anti wee color
Speaker 9: palette and right, but that was kind of it there.
Speaker 9: There wasn't much more new ship drugs.
Speaker 1: They completely redid them map and gave you new bosses.
Speaker 9: One of the bosses did something. All the other process
Speaker 9: were just like a trash mob but had a different name.
Speaker 9: And it's just as confusing a place to be in,
Speaker 9: Like you you get lost just as much as the
Speaker 9: previous one, and the visuals are more like Korean or whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying, you're saying it's like the Malibu
Speaker 1: Stacey and she's just got a new hat.
Speaker 9: I'm saying it's yes, sure, sure, new hat.
Speaker 1: New, but she's got a new hat. You're accusing us
Speaker 1: all of saying, but she's got a new hat. I
Speaker 1: know this reference is flying over.
Speaker 9: Actually you were saying, wow, her hat is amazing, yes,
Speaker 9: and I'm saying she was wearing a hat last week,
Speaker 9: she's wearing a hat this week. Their different color. Who
Speaker 9: the fuck cures?
Speaker 1: Okay, now to all of you on this call, I
Speaker 1: want you to please, I invite you. He can withstand it.
Speaker 1: Evisceraate this man for these ship takes.
Speaker 12: He just basically said, I think her pixels and I
Speaker 12: don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I think argument is that what Arcus.
Speaker 6: Needs is basically a whaling caverns mythic plus with keys.
Speaker 9: I'm just I'm not saying that it's wrong to be
Speaker 9: like Yo. They did. They took a dungeon and they
Speaker 9: made it different, and I find that really cool. That's fine,
Speaker 9: but I thought they did something insane. And then I
Speaker 9: stepped in and it was a different type of map
Speaker 9: that was still very confusing and a painted job. I'm
Speaker 9: not saying it's like bad bad, I'm the saying I
Speaker 9: didn't understand the cumming about it.
Speaker 1: I have learned one thing about u ArkOS over the
Speaker 1: last two weeks, and I will give you the opportunity
Speaker 1: to defend yourself an answer for this. You charge of
Speaker 1: a crime. Right now, I am fairly convinced you really
Speaker 1: don't like World of Warcraft and you really like if
Speaker 1: a game were delivered to you and it was World
Speaker 1: of Warrior Raid logs you and all you do when
Speaker 1: you log in is it puts you instantly in a
Speaker 1: raid and you get to get a score at the
Speaker 1: end that you then log against other players, and it's
Speaker 1: got a leaderboard every week that you're check in on.
Speaker 1: You would play that game for the rest of your
Speaker 1: life and say it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Speaker 1: Everything outside, like everything outside of that instance portal of
Speaker 1: the raid you think is trash.
Speaker 9: No, if that was true, I would be playing Retail,
Speaker 9: which is the instant game of being outside in in
Speaker 9: in Classic Vanilla, especially like most of my time in
Speaker 9: like nineteen twenty Classic was just spend running up and
Speaker 9: down fellowood hoping and doing pop. Most of my game
Speaker 9: time hours were that, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and
Speaker 9: I really loved it.
Speaker 3: I believe me defending our cost, but I think we
Speaker 3: might we might just be suffering from you know, expectation setting, right,
Speaker 3: Like all of us we went in, we had no
Speaker 3: expectations and we were like, fuck, I had no expectations.
Speaker 3: This was great. But ourcos came in after we had all,
Speaker 3: you know, talked it up a bunch true the discord,
Speaker 3: and I can see how it didn't like. I think
Speaker 3: it was great. I really loved it. I thought I'd
Speaker 3: take it over the original Whiling Caverns every any the
Speaker 3: day of the week. But it it is still Willing Caverns.
Speaker 3: It is still a level twentyish dungeon.
Speaker 1: That's fair. I mean, we've all we've all seen the movie,
Speaker 1: you know, gone to a movie after all your fucking
Speaker 1: friends have been like, oh my god, it's the best
Speaker 1: fucking movie you've ever seen, and it's been hyped up
Speaker 1: to the point that you know, you watch it. It
Speaker 1: was okay.
Speaker 3: I can I can make you disappointed with an A
Speaker 3: minus movie, you.
Speaker 1: Know, all right? Yeah, I look, I hate any defensive
Speaker 1: arcosts as well. He's a piece of ship. But I
Speaker 1: appreciate it now, Jordan, you wanted to say something.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So I started two weeks late on this server,
Speaker 18: so I got to come in after listening to you
Speaker 18: guys hype it up on the podcast, and build up
Speaker 18: my whole you know, leveling for twenty levels, trying to
Speaker 18: get there, so I could see this cool new content.
Speaker 19: And it was exactly as cool as I thought it
Speaker 19: was going to be. The dungeon was absolutely beautiful. I
Speaker 19: liked it that there was little skips to get back okay,
Speaker 19: gives to get back to places after.
Speaker 18: You you know, finished the bosses. They more than one
Speaker 18: of them, had new mechanics crush all the mechanics and
Speaker 18: the ferry dragon. And I read it again and the
Speaker 18: second time it wasn't confusing. The layouts actually way better
Speaker 18: than the old one.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. I also enjoy a point in
Speaker 1: the Fucking You Arcoss column. Very good, very well said.
Speaker 1: So can we conclude fucking you ar Coss? Ar Coss,
Speaker 1: what do you reckon?
Speaker 9: No, I think that's true.
Speaker 1: Stuck, I stuck at the motion. Very good arks. Did
Speaker 1: you also enjoy that? I think in the quickest decision
Speaker 1: flipping of all time you had. You managed to get
Speaker 1: the soundboard enabled on the countdown discord and then disabled
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a mission.
Speaker 1: You're you're bizarre. As soon as we all said, anyone
Speaker 1: who asked for the soundboard to be opened is a
Speaker 1: red flag, and you became everything we thought you were
Speaker 1: with your weird obsession with the soundboard.
Speaker 9: I approved your hypothesis correct.
Speaker 1: Exactly you are. You're an odd duck, but I love it.
Speaker 3: I muted it within that first ten minutes of him around.
Speaker 1: Oh, he would not stop. He was insane.
Speaker 9: It was a glorious time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyway, guys, look, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: keep you all day. We've already gone an hour and
Speaker 1: a half and pretty much this was just an emergency
Speaker 1: pod on this one issue and we've covered it. I'll
Speaker 1: just let you, guys say speak now forever, holdly silence.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to say about your last few days,
Speaker 1: an epoch that needs to be said. You know, I've
Speaker 1: I've flirted with the concept of respecking and going destro
Speaker 1: but I decided not to because I'll just you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you know, fucking I just do think that
Speaker 1: the manner issues will be considerable. And even though it's
Speaker 1: fun and do what you want, I just want to
Speaker 1: get to sixty. And you know, like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: almost fifty one, I'm about to step foot into fuck.
Speaker 1: Where am I going?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 1: Where was I going?
Speaker 9: Next?
Speaker 1: Fellwood? I think I was going to go to Fellwood
Speaker 1: for a level. And then Ub says, we've got to
Speaker 1: get our asses to bad Lands at fifty two to
Speaker 1: two to do this epic new Yeah, sorry, Blasted Lands.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. We've got to get to Blasted
Speaker 1: Lands at fifty two to do this epic new fucking
Speaker 1: open world dungeon that takes about two hours or whatever,
Speaker 1: So that'll be fun. And then I think I'll do
Speaker 1: what I have to do as Shara after Blasted Lands.
Speaker 1: Apparently Shara is is fucking great. And then I want
Speaker 1: to go to Western and Winter Spring.
Speaker 3: What do you guys don't sleep on Burning Steps?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm probably gonna skip it.
Speaker 3: That's I'm skipping all that ship you said. I'm just
Speaker 3: doing burning Steps and dungeons right now, and I'm having
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to help that.
Speaker 3: It's right near b r D. So whenever, whenever we
Speaker 3: inevitably form our dungeon group, I'm like, already there questing
Speaker 3: and that's like all right, yeah, I can find off
Speaker 3: Im doing well.
Speaker 1: Also there's but there's all these zones. You can't do
Speaker 1: them all. Angorro's apparently amazing Burning Steps. Now you're recommending,
Speaker 1: like fucking we literally have to go to the mall
Speaker 1: and we're not going to be able to And I've
Speaker 1: even talking about talked about Silts.
Speaker 10: He works out, Nicet me, me, Axel Laz and a
Speaker 10: turn we're all in Burning Steps. It was like, there
Speaker 10: we do dragon Kim menace so we can get the
Speaker 10: next year question chain on the go, and then like
Speaker 10: will there be ideas? Like yeah, cool, it just took
Speaker 10: us a while to get there, but there's so many
Speaker 10: people there killing the dragons. It was like never impossible
Speaker 10: to find the fifteen wels that we needed to kill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my whole thing expired has not to let be
Speaker 1: and I've probably played more than I would have liked to,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, don't let these pricks fucking create too
Speaker 1: big of a gap from me, because I need to
Speaker 1: touch base with you. Axel Laz. You know. That's the
Speaker 1: guys I want to keep running with.
Speaker 10: We're missing that fifth person right now in our group.
Speaker 10: That's what it is, four of us we should be
Speaker 10: and then we're just missing that fit person because you've
Speaker 10: just dropped off a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm only two levels.
Speaker 1: I'm only two levels behind. But so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think la lass is fifty three question mark now
Speaker 1: I'm about to dig fifty one. Yeah, it won't really
Speaker 1: matter because in four or five levels, four or five levels,
Speaker 1: I'll be able to come to like the max level
Speaker 1: dungeons with you anyway, arguably. But yeah, we shall see. Sorry,
Speaker 1: someone was going to say something.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, you'll be in the next pod
Speaker 3: run then hopefully yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully I'll see how I'll get to
Speaker 1: fifty one, maybe fifty two today and work from there.
Speaker 1: But look, still having a blast. Warlock is still fantastic.
Speaker 1: Loving that no one is playing it, you know, it
Speaker 1: makes me feel special. I yeah, guys, anything else before
Speaker 1: we wind this one up? Let me know. Nope, Okay,
Speaker 1: go forret spot. So I sorry, Jordan isn't.
Speaker 18: Getting off that easy. I'm going to personally challenge you
Speaker 18: to go do dead minds die? Ride that mind cart
Speaker 18: back from the beginning and.
Speaker 19: Tell me that's not the best thing they have ever
Speaker 19: added to a dungeon.
Speaker 9: There you go, I haven't done that's I'll believe you
Speaker 9: at some point when it's right. I don't doubt that it's.
Speaker 1: Cool, though, I reckon you'll quit by next week, you think,
Speaker 1: isn't that we shall say?
Speaker 9: All right, I didn't. I didn't look in for like
Speaker 9: five days, but I was just busy, right, yeah, I
Speaker 9: mean I'm not This isn't my main game. I'm not
Speaker 9: no living this, No, no, no.
Speaker 1: You've got to keep right there pumping those logs inside
Speaker 1: that no one's playing anymore, so that you can say
Speaker 1: you're the best in the world.
Speaker 6: Yep, the best and the only one you get a
Speaker 6: hundred parts if you're the only person parsoning.
Speaker 1: That's what he's going for, you know.
Speaker 9: And that's not what I'm don't care about.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: All right, All right, guys, will wind it up there.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much to all of you for taking part
Speaker 1: in this one. That was a lot of fun, and
Speaker 1: we'll see you again, maybe maybe on Saturday. Maybe after
Speaker 1: that we'll figure it out. But more to talk about
Speaker 1: on the Countdown Guild's ventures with Epoch. Guys, I'll say
Speaker 1: this much. Look again, if you're not sure, just slash
Speaker 1: who anyone in Countdown ask for an invite? Look, we
Speaker 1: would How do I put this? The guys might ask you,
Speaker 1: like what the password is? You know, if you listen
Speaker 1: to the show, you're in. You know, we're a little
Speaker 1: bit warier of people who are just discovering Countdown now
Speaker 1: and think this is like, oh, this is some zerg
Speaker 1: streamer guild, like I want in while it is, come one,
Speaker 1: come all, It's not really that kind of guild, guys,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to, like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: gate keep and be like if you didn't know about
Speaker 1: the show before, you're not in. But like, we have
Speaker 1: a certain culture here, as you can hear on the podcast,
Speaker 1: we have a certain kind of player. These are the
Speaker 1: kind of guys and girls that we like to run with.
Speaker 1: Like the newbies are less likely to maybe, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like be the kind of players we are. We're not
Speaker 1: so sure, So like, just you know, wait until you've
Speaker 1: heard a few Countdown episodes before you ask for a
Speaker 1: Countdown Guilding vibe, Because maybe you're you're not into us,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, it's it's yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: Our little rule of thumb has been since we've been
Speaker 3: four people a lot, right when we grab somebody in,
Speaker 3: if you know, we give them the discord and they're
Speaker 3: willing to just jump in and talk with us or
Speaker 3: at least listen in, that's at least a good start.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And I love finding those players, and
Speaker 1: we've met friends like Expired Tuna and whatnot like that
Speaker 1: along the way. But this is it's such a shit
Speaker 1: thing to say because I know people don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, but the guys that like yeah, don't want
Speaker 1: to get in voice and don't say anything in the party,
Speaker 1: like and you know there, I'm a little bit more
Speaker 1: wary of them, you know. And I'm just I am
Speaker 1: a little bit warier of I have been publishing these
Speaker 1: podcasts on YouTube, and I don't love like the complete
Speaker 1: random on YouTube who's like because I had one of
Speaker 1: these the other day, Who's like, Oh, I have no
Speaker 1: fucking idea what this guild is or who you guys
Speaker 1: are or what really I mean, I saw five minutes
Speaker 1: of your podcast and I decided decided to join the guild.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit like, uh, like, we're not a zert guild.
Speaker 3: I think they.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, hopefully they'll get bored.
Speaker 9: Thanks, just three weeks to become.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm already there. Let's do it. No fuck it
Speaker 1: if people keep asking people for the password when they
Speaker 1: ask you for an invite to the guild, and gauge
Speaker 1: them by their response to whether or Because we're at
Speaker 1: the three hundred mark now, I am really wary of
Speaker 1: blowing that up too much. More like, I want to
Speaker 1: kind of know that it's listeners coming in, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to turn into the dead Shids guild because
Speaker 1: guilds are the worst thing on every server. Andre we're
Speaker 1: starting to sort of maybe dangerously encroach on that territory.
Speaker 9: A friend of mine asked me earlier tonight if I
Speaker 9: wanted to join his uh guilt has been together since
Speaker 9: like Elisium. I said, no, I'm in accessible guild and
Speaker 9: I'm going to stay there until i'm little sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, accurate. I like it very good. Join join Team
Speaker 1: Cesspool one of us, one of us. If you're a
Speaker 1: long time listener, please just hit us up. Guys. The
Speaker 1: guild is fantastic everything's going really really well. I'll just
Speaker 1: say as well, like, look, we we did have a
Speaker 1: listener leave the guild yesterday who is like fuck man,
Speaker 1: like none of you guys like I haven't I'm level
Speaker 1: forty and I haven't run a single dungeon with a
Speaker 1: countdown person. And I'll always just sort of say, like,
Speaker 1: guys somewhat have to take the bull by the horns
Speaker 1: with this game, Like, there are so many players out
Speaker 1: there who expect the content to come to them, and
Speaker 1: this is I've ranted about this a lot with world
Speaker 1: PvP in the past, where there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who bitch about world PvP and go on this server. Shit,
Speaker 1: there's no world PvP on this server because they don't
Speaker 1: see the one hundred v one hundred fights around every corner.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, number one, that's not how world PvP works.
Speaker 1: Number two, Mate, If you want world PvP content, go
Speaker 1: and start picking fights with people like that. You are
Speaker 1: the master of your own fucking destiny. Here, go and
Speaker 1: pick fights with people. You start the one v one
Speaker 1: that will snowball into the two v two that will
Speaker 1: snowball into the five v five and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. You become a bully, you get amongst it
Speaker 1: and create your own content. People don't want to do
Speaker 1: that because they're terrified of losing in PvP, but also
Speaker 1: they just want to be the player that gets to
Speaker 1: drive by the big fight, hit one button that kills
Speaker 1: the person at five percent, have a laugh, snicker and say, well,
Speaker 1: PvP is back on the menu. Boys, please create your
Speaker 1: own content. And by that I mean like in the
Speaker 1: countdown guilds. Yeah, if you just say in guilt chat
Speaker 1: looking for more SM and you don't get a reply,
Speaker 1: and there's you know, thirty people online but only two
Speaker 1: within your level range, like that's going to happen, So
Speaker 1: please whisper people organize with people via the discord offline.
Speaker 1: Hey mate, couldn't help, but notice you're thirty five. I'm
Speaker 1: thirty five. Would you like to do a fucking dungeon tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds great. Whisper people in game, Hey mate,
Speaker 1: would you be interested in fucking healing this dungeon? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: No dramas just like you've got to get proactive, don't
Speaker 1: just wait for There are people that just want to
Speaker 1: be in zur guilds. Like I said, with five hundred
Speaker 1: people in the guild where they're just writing guild chat,
Speaker 1: you know, looking for more s M and it's basically
Speaker 1: like advertising in Slash four and the party forms that way.
Speaker 1: That's great, don't get me wrong, but like sometimes you
Speaker 1: do need to be a bit more involved, you know,
Speaker 1: just please do that. Don't don't judge the guild by
Speaker 1: No one replied to my guild message. It's not really
Speaker 1: necessarily how it works. Sorry. Does does that strike a
Speaker 1: chord with anyone?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I just want to add, don't don't fear a failure.
Speaker 3: I feel like oftentimes people are concerned about like joining
Speaker 3: a group because they are, you know, they don't want
Speaker 3: to be a drag on the team. And having having
Speaker 3: been dragging down these other three people for a while
Speaker 3: and nobody complaining, uh, you know, it's it's failure.
Speaker 10: Is I mean a good we had an IBRD group,
Speaker 10: wasn't a toxic person at all and very patient and
Speaker 10: although we you know, we wiped a few times and
Speaker 10: we died a few times, didn't complain once.
Speaker 3: And they were there to go to the poor run.
Speaker 3: They would have made it to Emperor if we were
Speaker 3: capable of it.
Speaker 1: That that's something that I kind of just you've reminded
Speaker 1: me I should mention like I have seen a lot
Speaker 1: of Reddit posts about Epoch talking about like how horribly
Speaker 1: toxic of a server it is, and this is, you know,
Speaker 1: the most racist fucking server I've ever seen. All these
Speaker 1: guys are so toxic, All these players are assholes. I
Speaker 1: got kicked from Group X, I got kicked from Group Y.
Speaker 1: People only want paladins to tank blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and saying this server is trash, you're also fucked blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Everyone in the Countdown ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of people I feel like in the Countdown Guild
Speaker 1: and in the Countdown Discord is saying like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what fucking game you're playing, but we haven't seen
Speaker 1: any of that. Now. I've said already on the podcast
Speaker 1: in the past. Yes, Okay, I'm a little bit tainted
Speaker 1: in my view because I've left the LFG channel. I
Speaker 1: don't sit there and wel chat and let listen to
Speaker 1: all these fucking you know, eleven year old's talk politics
Speaker 1: to me, Like I just I just opt out of that, okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't get exposed to any of that but
Speaker 1: the player behavior in game that I have seen for
Speaker 1: the vast majority of times has been perfectly normal, acceptable,
Speaker 1: if not cordial, like you guys just described, I have
Speaker 1: had nothing but like positive experiences in PvE dungeons with people.
Speaker 1: Everyone is nice, no one's been a cunt, you know,
Speaker 1: they just you wipe, No one says anything, everyone gets
Speaker 1: through the dungeon. Everyone's happy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: There's of course going to be like PvP toxicness, like toxicity,
Speaker 1: like we said, with the ability to talk to each
Speaker 1: other after a kill. I don't I'm not flagged, I'm
Speaker 1: not war moted, so I don't really get involved with
Speaker 1: any of that. You know, this community, it's it's not perfect.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Of course, all that dis gusting
Speaker 1: racism and bullshit does exist. But like when you actually, okay,
Speaker 1: how do I put this. If you put the majority
Speaker 1: of these players in an environment where they now socially
Speaker 1: somewhat have to fall in line with the group, people
Speaker 1: are being well behaved, I have had a great time
Speaker 1: and I kind of tear my hair out a little bit.
Speaker 1: Even though private service historically are fucking cesspools. We all
Speaker 1: know that. Just look at the discord it's fucking disgusting
Speaker 1: all that shit. But for the most part, and trust me,
Speaker 1: I know this after years of you know, doing a
Speaker 1: countdown to classic podcasts with like twelve people on the
Speaker 1: line right now, twenty more sitting here in the audience
Speaker 1: and everyone being on their best behavior. If you just
Speaker 1: fucking be a normal person, people will generally fall in
Speaker 1: line and be normal with you. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just have you guys, like, would you describe this server
Speaker 1: as a fucking cesspool or if you had a fine experience.
Speaker 4: Nah, I haven't.
Speaker 6: I haven't had a single bad dungeon experience. Everyone's been great, like,
Speaker 6: no complaining, no whining, no toxicity, nothing.
Speaker 4: I do think we are a bit insulated. I feel uh.
Speaker 16: Like you said you took turned off world Chat. Yeah,
Speaker 16: it's definitely out there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 16: We had a couple of people in just ran the
Speaker 16: pugs that were a little sketchy, just kind of not
Speaker 16: saying anything terrible, but like you could tell that they
Speaker 16: wanted to people they are, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They wanted to And that's a lot of them. A
Speaker 1: lot of the edge lords, the fucking pieces of shit
Speaker 1: out there. They test the waters. They'll they'll they'll say
Speaker 1: a half thing that just sees if someone pushes open
Speaker 1: the door that they've they've nudged a creak in, if
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And but if you generally
Speaker 1: don't give, if you don't push open the door, then
Speaker 1: more often than not, they'll just shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's just don't participate.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so yeah, I'm not saying Epoch's perfect. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's the fucking promised, you know, wonderland of
Speaker 1: fluffiness and niceties. There are horrible people out there. On
Speaker 1: any private server, you're going to read horrible things. If
Speaker 1: you sit in weld Chat and it does it's you know,
Speaker 1: I've been criticized for this for saying, Josh, you know,
Speaker 1: just saying, just turn off world Chat. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a horrible thing to have to recommend to people. You
Speaker 1: know that you need to address the root cause of
Speaker 1: the problem, which is stopping people from saying this shit
Speaker 1: and having moderation. Well, I don't run the server, and
Speaker 1: I can't stop people from saying this shit. So I
Speaker 1: do what I can do and I just opt out. Yes,
Speaker 1: it sucks that that's, you know, an indication of the
Speaker 1: kind of players that sometimes sometimes wind up on these servers,
Speaker 1: but like it's just what I do. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't put myself in a position where I'm just going
Speaker 1: to get upset. So when I'm in a dungeon, I
Speaker 1: gauge these people by what they say in party chat,
Speaker 1: and no one said anything yet, So I'm having a
Speaker 1: good time. That's all I can do. Guys, we'll wind
Speaker 1: it up there. Thank you so much for doing this
Speaker 1: one with me. I'll hang out with you a bit
Speaker 1: more after I ended the recording, but we'll see you
Speaker 1: all on Saturday. All right, So we're back with another
Speaker 1: countdown to classic and keeping it light, you know, footloose
Speaker 1: and fancy free here today because we did all the
Speaker 1: heavy stuff with the legalities and the cease and desist
Speaker 1: about Epoch the other day. So that's a good heavy
Speaker 1: hour and a half of content for you. And I'll
Speaker 1: lead the podcast off with that conversation and then ease
Speaker 1: you into the back half of this pod with this conversation.
Speaker 1: So we've got a whole bunch of Countdown people on
Speaker 1: the line right now. Look, I'm not doing it in
Speaker 1: the town hall as I usually do. I'm just in
Speaker 1: general voice chat and just encouraging people to fucking be
Speaker 1: light and easy. But we figured we'd once again talk
Speaker 1: about the server, but also talk about ourselves and what
Speaker 1: we've been doing and more importantly the funny and dumb
Speaker 1: shit that we've been doing, and have a bit of
Speaker 1: a kangaroo court as well. So I figured we might
Speaker 1: kick off with kangaroo court if that's okay. And if
Speaker 1: you guys aren't familiar with the concept of a kangaroo court,
Speaker 1: it's you know, we had a chat about it the
Speaker 1: other day in voice chat, and you know, I think,
Speaker 1: funnily enough, someone said that it's an American coins term,
Speaker 1: but in Australia it's definitely used as more of a
Speaker 1: lighthearted bonding thing. You know. Football teams will do it
Speaker 1: when they go on trips, you know footy trip. You
Speaker 1: go off your travel, you play your games, and then
Speaker 1: afterwards you'll have a kangaroo court with the boys and
Speaker 1: girls and call people out for the funny or dumb
Speaker 1: shit that they did during the game or at the
Speaker 1: pub or whatever it might be. So we're going to
Speaker 1: do the countdown equivalent here and I've encouraged everyone hopefully
Speaker 1: they can come up with the story or something from
Speaker 1: the past week to with love, throw a guild member
Speaker 1: lightly under the bus and have a bit of a
Speaker 1: fun ribbing with each other. And I'll I've got a
Speaker 1: few stories and i'll maybe i'll I can start with myself.
Speaker 1: Actually it's probably fair to do, and then I'll throw
Speaker 1: a beloved Countdown member under the bus after I'm done
Speaker 1: ribbing myself. So order order. This first session of the
Speaker 1: Countdown Kangaroo Court has come into session, and guys, I
Speaker 1: just want to tell you a quick story about and
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, we'll have some commentary on the
Speaker 1: game as well while I'm weaving through this story. But
Speaker 1: myself and my little traveling party of like minded level
Speaker 1: fifty players, Like I said, I've been fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: band together with guys that have mostly fallen in step
Speaker 1: with me. They're going a little bit quicker than me,
Speaker 1: and I'm up the tail end, but I'm just keeping
Speaker 1: within touching distance of these guys. You know again, the
Speaker 1: amazing Axel Lazarus atone. You know, fucking who's the fourth
Speaker 1: member whose name I'm getting I'm such an asshole. Tuna
Speaker 1: of course, Tuna as well, expired Tuna. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: All the guys have been great, and we hit up
Speaker 1: Blasted Lands the other day on Ubiquitous's recommendation. He's like, boys, boys, boys,
Speaker 1: when you get to level fifty two, you've got to
Speaker 1: go check out what they've done with Blasted Lands. It's wild.
Speaker 1: They've put in a new jinta, a lure, there's an
Speaker 1: outside dungeon. It's it's fucking there's quests everywhere. You've got
Speaker 1: to go see it. So we got the band together
Speaker 1: and we went and we did it. Now, just for
Speaker 1: all of you who have no idea what's there. You
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, you don't know what to expect.
Speaker 15: You.
Speaker 1: Biquitdis did warn us about this, but I'll just sort
Speaker 1: of warn you a little bit, maybe with a bit
Speaker 1: more force. There is a little bit of time you'll
Speaker 1: be spending doing the prerequisites. And when I say a
Speaker 1: little bit, I mean a fair bit, like we took
Speaker 1: about sixty to ninety minutes. Just you have to go
Speaker 1: there and do a few quests before you unlock all
Speaker 1: of the elite quest for the Outdoor Dungeon. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell this in a non spoilery fashion. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's too spoilery, but just just be ready for that.
Speaker 1: You don't get to just plug and play in Blasted Lands.
Speaker 1: You'll have to be in the zone for a little
Speaker 1: bit before you level up to get to where you
Speaker 1: need to go. So we do our hour and fucking
Speaker 1: half doing this one quest that took forever, and eventually
Speaker 1: we get there and we go and do the Blasted Lands,
Speaker 1: and that's great. I will say that, you know, again,
Speaker 1: without being spoilery. My one note on this area, which
Speaker 1: I did enjoy, I had a good time. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I had like an amazing time, but I had
Speaker 1: a very good time. I would give it like a
Speaker 1: I don't know, eight out of ten. I guess I
Speaker 1: think it's really cool. I think it's more fun than
Speaker 1: Jintha a law. To be honest with you, that the
Speaker 1: only thing that held it back, that subtracted a point
Speaker 1: for me was mainly just the mob density. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of respons as well, but you've got to have
Speaker 1: the respawns because you're eventually going to have the bulkhead
Speaker 1: of the levelers get there and they're going to need
Speaker 1: all these mobs up and active to not only make
Speaker 1: it a challenge but also to be able to complete
Speaker 1: their quest. So I've got no I did have a
Speaker 1: drama with the respawn, but then the boys talked me
Speaker 1: off the ledge and said, no, Josh, that exists for
Speaker 1: a reason, and they're right, but the density is insane.
Speaker 1: Like again, these guys love a bit of mob density,
Speaker 1: particularly with agro rangers and shit. You know, you walk by,
Speaker 1: you walk by some things and you're like how You
Speaker 1: just think to yourself, how the fuck did I agrow that?
Speaker 1: And then you don't just agrow one. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of instances of oh, mate, you pulled one. No, you
Speaker 1: pulled eight. He's all his friends from fucking twenty yards
Speaker 1: to the left of him are coming as well, and
Speaker 1: it's they're not hard to down per se, but it's
Speaker 1: a little bit frustrating at times. Anyway, we go through
Speaker 1: dead set like two hours or maybe more, maybe two
Speaker 1: and a half hours or whatever of this dungeon, an
Speaker 1: outdoor dungeon, and we're not done. Ubi's right. It's a
Speaker 1: multiple troop effort. So we log off that day, we
Speaker 1: log back on the next day and we go, well, boys,
Speaker 1: we've got to finish it all off. We didn't do
Speaker 1: all this work for nothing. Yeah, yeah, cool, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So we go back in on day two and we
Speaker 1: get like the final quest, which is killed the Big
Speaker 1: Bad Boss. And we go to kill the Big Bad
Speaker 1: Boss and it's like the Big Bad Boss resides at
Speaker 1: the top of the tallest tower at this section of
Speaker 1: the zone. You go yet, cool. So we eventually identify
Speaker 1: the tower, we clear the mobs, and we start climbing
Speaker 1: the tower and we get to the top and this
Speaker 1: boss is a proper boss, Like he's very chunky. You're
Speaker 1: not just going to push him over. And it's a
Speaker 1: proper fight. It's not a difficult fight. It's just a
Speaker 1: proper fight length lengthwise, and about ten percent of the
Speaker 1: way through the fight, it becomes really obvious ione sort
Speaker 1: of tell you what he does. But you know, you're
Speaker 1: in a very small space and this boss is doing
Speaker 1: proper mechanics and you're like fuck, You're a little bit like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm getting hit, Like what do I do here? And
Speaker 1: so I thought, out of the corner of my eye,
Speaker 1: I've seen one of my fellow guilties. I think I've
Speaker 1: seen Axelauhila sort of step off to the side, and
Speaker 1: again we're at the top of a tower, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I think he's in the right position there to kind
Speaker 1: of avoid this stuff. Maybe I'll try and do that.
Speaker 1: So I put my hero medal on and I turned
Speaker 1: to my fellow adventurers and I said, fucking get behind me, boys,
Speaker 1: I think I've found a way to do this. Here's
Speaker 1: the metastrat and I've decided to leap to the very
Speaker 1: edge of the balcony of the room so that i
Speaker 1: can just outrange this mechanic that's fucking me up, and
Speaker 1: I'll blast him from there. I'm such a gamer. And
Speaker 1: I've turned my car and I've done the massive jump
Speaker 1: to just rest my feet on the lip of the edge,
Speaker 1: and I kept descending and I kept going down, and
Speaker 1: I've gone, oh no, boys, I've gone and done it.
Speaker 1: And I've fallen three floors down back to the bottom
Speaker 1: of the tower in the middle of this epic boss fight,
Speaker 1: and the boys have gone, where did Josh just go?
Speaker 1: And I'll turn to Axel at this point, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a good point to inject you and to say, what
Speaker 1: were you thinking in this moment?
Speaker 3: I have a think in this down motherfuck. So because
Speaker 3: you were I had just done that jump and I
Speaker 3: didn't go all the way to the edge because he
Speaker 3: didn't need to go all the way to the edge.
Speaker 3: You just need to go up onto the lip.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. So I've fallen to the bottom.
Speaker 1: Now the biggest concern is, Okay, I've survived the fall. Somehow,
Speaker 1: I've got very low health. I just need to climbed
Speaker 1: the tower again and rejoin my you know, party members.
Speaker 1: But like, like I said, the mob density is insane
Speaker 1: and I really just froze and went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: have I pulled anything? Because if I've pulled anything, this
Speaker 1: is a wipe. And somehow, some way did not manage
Speaker 1: to pull anything. And I've just sheepishly walked back up
Speaker 1: the spiral staircase, rejoined the fight when the boss was
Speaker 1: at like fifty percent and just hoped no one noticed
Speaker 1: and gone sorry about that. But everyone noticed and we're
Speaker 1: all laughing about it. And that was one way to
Speaker 1: jump out a window and jitch you people during the
Speaker 1: middle of a reasonably tough fight. So I'll nominate myself
Speaker 1: for kangaroo court there and say I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: I'm the last one. The furthest thing from a gamer
Speaker 1: that you can get that was a bit of fun.
Speaker 1: Ubi sentenced me, what do we got.
Speaker 15: Um straight to the gulag for me, straight to the.
Speaker 1: Girl Like yeah, Marcus, you agree, Marcs.
Speaker 17: Mate, I think you are Yeah, I think to the
Speaker 17: gulag with you for that one. It's unforgivable.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean a real gamer would have just stood
Speaker 1: in the AoE and eating it and been like, I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 15: He is just that's right, Yeah, he was just so
Speaker 15: you were griefing his past by getting out of the AoE.
Speaker 1: To be honest, oh, true, true, Sorry for sucking your past, Axel.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's a healer. I'm more like
Speaker 3: community service picked up some trash on the side of tars.
Speaker 15: He's been on a bit of a hot streak of
Speaker 15: you just can't take this bloke anywhere.
Speaker 1: To be honest me, yeah, I've been all over the place.
Speaker 1: It's been wonderful. But then yeah, I don't know, fucking
Speaker 1: keep an eye on old fucking Josh's DPS and then
Speaker 1: talk to me, you've bastards. I'm doing all right, I'm
Speaker 1: helping out when I'm not being an idiot.
Speaker 3: But anyway, can I throw in an accusation that is
Speaker 3: related to this. Yes, I want to accuse Ubiquitous of
Speaker 3: overblowing and overhyping that outdoor area.
Speaker 15: Oh, because I would like to criticize how you guys
Speaker 15: did it. To be honest, Oh my god, that's.
Speaker 3: Fair, but you were literally leading us.
Speaker 1: So then what.
Speaker 15: Someone went AFK for fifteen minutes, then another person in
Speaker 15: AFK for fifteen minutes, and I was like, I'm leaving,
Speaker 15: and I just logged off without saying anything. Yeah, yo,
Speaker 15: Cherfa was like, fuck this, these guys could climb this
Speaker 15: mountain by themselves. Fair enough, he was, I'm glad to
Speaker 15: hear that you got it done, because I'd never heard
Speaker 15: the ending of the story. I was like, I would
Speaker 15: rather vacuum than wait for people to come back from AFK.
Speaker 1: No, no, we got it all done. I left one
Speaker 1: quest undone, which was just a because I'm a fucking idiot,
Speaker 1: I completely forgot didn't read it before we went in.
Speaker 1: I had to pick some things up in the Warlock
Speaker 1: tents that I completely forgot about, and it was like
Speaker 1: six and a half k experience, so little bit that
Speaker 1: I didn't finish them all off, but I did ninety
Speaker 1: percent of them, and I'm happy with that, and we
Speaker 1: left and we feel pretty good about you know, saying
Speaker 1: that we very much so did the area, which is great,
Speaker 1: but it's I still highly recommend, like highly highly recommend
Speaker 1: in the same way that we recommended. You cannot skip
Speaker 1: Whaling cabins, You cannot skip the new Deadminds and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Do not skip this thing in the Blasted Lands. Guys.
Speaker 1: Half the reason we're playing this fucking server, you could
Speaker 1: say ninety nine percent of the reason we're playing this
Speaker 1: new server is for the new content. This is as
Speaker 1: new as it gets. This is a completely new, redesigned
Speaker 1: little portion of the Blasted Lands map. You have to
Speaker 1: go there and experience this, if you know, imagine if
Speaker 1: someone tapped you on the shoulder and go, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: do you want to go do gin through a law
Speaker 1: two point zero? You'd say, fuck, yeah, well go and
Speaker 1: do it. Don't skip it, agreed, UBI must do.
Speaker 15: Ah for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're clowning yourself. And like, you know, this
Speaker 1: goes out to not that there's anyone in this guild
Speaker 1: doing but this just goes out again to all those
Speaker 1: fucking loser majors AoE grinding their way to sixty like
Speaker 1: you fucking just hopeless pieces of shit. Go out and
Speaker 1: do the new fucking content like this, Like you just
Speaker 1: have to. Don't stop leveling the way you're used to.
Speaker 1: Go out and fucking smell the roses. Anyway, Yeah, on
Speaker 1: the charge of ubiquitous, I don't know. Jury's out. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's innocent, maybe he's guilty, but he's actually charging well,
Speaker 1: he's charging you with overhyping at UBI. So Axel, you're
Speaker 1: saying you didn't rate it that much.
Speaker 3: I didn't rate it as high. But I think I'm
Speaker 3: also suffering because I stopped doing different new content than
Speaker 3: I was very much enjoying, which I mentioned on you know,
Speaker 3: Last Conversation and the Burning Steps. So I think I
Speaker 3: was a little salty that first day. I definitely appreciated
Speaker 3: it more once we finished it on the second one.
Speaker 3: But after that first day, it's like, we just spent
Speaker 3: four fucking hours. We got almost none of these, don't
Speaker 3: We got like a seven quests seventy percent of the
Speaker 3: way done. We got to do it all over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's quite the time commitment for sure.
Speaker 1: I like, guys, you need to put aside realistically, let's
Speaker 1: say for some fucking god, unknown reason you wanted to
Speaker 1: do this all in one session. I don't recommend that,
Speaker 1: but like this, this whole thing took us. Like what
Speaker 1: do you reckon five hours total in the end?
Speaker 4: Axel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's tough to stay because, like,
Speaker 3: how much of that was just the prequesting? If we had.
Speaker 1: Realized I'm including the prequesting.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, have you including the prequesting?
Speaker 1: Probably six yeah, five to six hours. If you do
Speaker 1: everything you need to do, including the prequesting, there you go.
Speaker 1: But d Axel, what do you like? I said, I
Speaker 1: still give it like a quite warm reception. Eight out
Speaker 1: of ten. That's a good score. What would you give it?
Speaker 3: I'm probably more like a six point five seven?
Speaker 1: All right, ub what do you rate it?
Speaker 20: Oh?
Speaker 15: I was thinking it was an eight point five, and
Speaker 15: I'm going to go down swing in that. There's a
Speaker 15: clear difference of experience due to use, err more than
Speaker 15: content itself.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did it ain't?
Speaker 15: It ain't took anywhere near fucking five hours for me?
Speaker 15: I believe that, all right, we had someone that knew
Speaker 15: where everything was when oh.
Speaker 1: Well that's different your piece of ship, well not everything.
Speaker 15: He was one of you. He's like, I've been here,
Speaker 15: this is my second time because my first group sucked.
Speaker 15: So yeah, you need to try and find someone that's
Speaker 15: some of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do agree. Yeah, if you if you were
Speaker 1: all new to it, Yeah, it's going to take you
Speaker 1: a little bit. But it's so stupid because like the
Speaker 1: area isn't that big. It's really not, but like it
Speaker 1: is just a little bit confusing. All right, guys, let's
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 3: To be fair. Yeah, the first time, I like treated
Speaker 3: it like we were going into a dungeon, and I
Speaker 3: like respect to resto, and you know, I was all
Speaker 3: ready for it to be intense, and then I just
Speaker 3: like was sitting there with my dick in my hands
Speaker 3: most of the time. And the second time we just
Speaker 3: all fucked about instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't call it.
Speaker 3: Start feeling the dps, started tanking, I got to do
Speaker 3: more damage, and it was more fun when we were
Speaker 3: all kind of like doing it so offtimally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't think it's a push over
Speaker 1: difficulty wise, but it's not like a dungeon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not that hard. I think we took it
Speaker 3: too seriously in the first day.
Speaker 1: So guys, we'll move on to the next charge. And
Speaker 1: here's where I get to throw the book at someone else.
Speaker 1: Now he's not here, but you be. You'm going to
Speaker 1: charge your mate Voodoo with the crime you ready for
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 15: Absolutely all right?
Speaker 1: Voodoo probably guilty of a few crimes over the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. Quite frankly, I'm actually getting together with him
Speaker 1: and Hunk to go watch the Queensland Reds play later
Speaker 1: on the TSAVO in about four hours time, no six
Speaker 1: hours time, so that'll be we'll have a beer and
Speaker 1: I'll give him a fun little ribbing about this. But look,
Speaker 1: sorry about all the discord notifications. By the way, guys,
Speaker 1: I actually don't know how to turn that off. I'll
Speaker 1: try and figure that out. But anyway, so just yesterday,
Speaker 1: now this to be fair, I'm also guilty of a
Speaker 1: crime within this story, and Axel will tell this well,
Speaker 1: I'll turn to him eventually. But Axel, Laz and I
Speaker 1: are like, hey, how about BRD. Yeah cool, let's go
Speaker 1: do it. And as we're saying this, our friend Marcus goes.
Speaker 1: I charged Marcus with the light charge of winging and
Speaker 1: bitching as he's like, I can't find a fucking party
Speaker 1: for SM library. Whoe is me? That's pretty much sounds
Speaker 1: like you, right, Marcus?
Speaker 17: No, how did I get wheeled into this? I was
Speaker 17: told I was completely not at fault.
Speaker 1: I remember something along those lines of like nobody wants
Speaker 1: to play with me. I'm a big loser. Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 17: Yeah, maybe I was pretty compromised. I guess it's kind
Speaker 17: of emotionally taxing to not be able to get an
Speaker 17: SM library group.
Speaker 1: You were vulnerable. I caught you in a moment of weakness. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so Marcus is going a fuck. You know, there's not
Speaker 1: that many people online within the guild within my level range,
Speaker 1: can't really find a group. I'm struggling a bit here.
Speaker 1: I just want to do a library run. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do a library run for?
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, do you want just the experience
Speaker 1: or you're actually chasing like a quest item or what?
Speaker 1: And he goes, I just want the quest item and
Speaker 1: I'm oh, mate, I'm level fifty four. I can fucking
Speaker 1: blast you through an SM library on my lock. And
Speaker 1: he's like that I'd be lovely. So I say to
Speaker 1: the boys, axel lads, boys, ten minutes, I just need
Speaker 1: ten minutes to help old Marcus out here. Will be
Speaker 1: in and out, no musks, no fuss, and then I'll
Speaker 1: come to b Ird. Yeah cool, josh, no worries. It
Speaker 1: suffice to say it was not quite ten minutes. So
Speaker 1: we walk into sm and I start pulling and Marcus
Speaker 1: is like, oh, thanks mate, you're quite the chum for
Speaker 1: doing this for me. As I proceed to take a
Speaker 1: fairly long time to down all these mobs, and it
Speaker 1: became a little bit of a struggle, and I've said,
Speaker 1: oh shit, we might actually need more help because it's
Speaker 1: taken us ten minutes just to clear the first corridor.
Speaker 1: And we plugged away, and eventually Voodoo I DM Voodoo
Speaker 1: and I go, mate, are you playing rust or are
Speaker 1: you able to come help Marcus? And I just do
Speaker 1: a quick sm Library run to fucking get him his
Speaker 1: quest item. Yeah, no worries. I'll just make a coffee
Speaker 1: and come online.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 1: So then Voodoo arrives. Well actually sorry, no, So then
Speaker 1: Voodoo comes online and we go, yeah, no worries, Voodoo
Speaker 1: will be here soon. He's just in Augrama two minutes away,
Speaker 1: and then we'll fucking blast it.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: Cool, No worries. So about two minutes goes by and
Speaker 1: I did see that Voodoo was in Augrama and then
Speaker 1: I mouse over his nameplate, his unit frame, and I go, Voodoo, why,
Speaker 1: why is the game telling me you're in bad Lands?
Speaker 1: And he's like, what do you mean? And I go like,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you mean? Where are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And he's like, I'm on a
Speaker 1: flight to fucking sm And I go, what.
Speaker 4: Do you mean?
Speaker 1: You're on a flight to SM from bad Lands? And
Speaker 1: he's like, what do you mean? And I go, mate,
Speaker 1: there is a fucking perfectly fine zeppelin slash portal from
Speaker 1: Augrama to u se that you then jump on your
Speaker 1: little horsey and ride straight here. And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: oh yeah about that? I I he just forgot. He
Speaker 1: didn't know, and so he's turned a two minute trip
Speaker 1: into a ten minute trip. I was I was beside myself.
Speaker 1: I was blowing up going this bloke, this bloke who
Speaker 1: didn't had never heard of the zone. As Shara doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to get from Orgrimad to Scarlet Monastery. I
Speaker 1: charge him with fucking I think he's a flat earther
Speaker 1: at this point, just no knowledge of geography. Do you
Speaker 1: think this charge is the stays held up? Can we
Speaker 1: can we sentence him Marcus or what?
Speaker 17: Look, I'm going to defend him because he was Yeah,
Speaker 17: you've thrown me under the bus here, I feel like
Speaker 17: I need to save him, and like he gave me
Speaker 17: another run as well. So he's successfully bribed me. Yeah,
Speaker 17: he's bribed the jury. And look, I'm gonna say that
Speaker 17: his intentions completely, like his good intentions, completely outweigh any
Speaker 17: of the little misconducts he may have made.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're going the mitigator. You you've given him
Speaker 1: a character reference, and you're saying there are mitigating circumstances
Speaker 1: even though are you still I mean, I say I
Speaker 1: can find him guilty, but you're saying the punishment should
Speaker 1: be nil because he's a good guilty.
Speaker 17: Well, like the intentions were that pure that he shouldn't
Speaker 17: even be found guilty.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'd look, I tend to agree. He
Speaker 1: obviously was coming to help out friends, and here I
Speaker 1: am chewing him out for taking the long way there.
Speaker 17: It's definitely not the first time he's done something like this.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not you've have you experienced Voodoo's funny knowledge
Speaker 1: of the globe of azarov.
Speaker 15: Ah I am. I'm firmly in the camp of believing
Speaker 15: that he's doing the intentional incompetence to get away with
Speaker 15: more things than what he should because the amount of
Speaker 15: times when we're leveling where it was like, just go
Speaker 15: to here, where's that? What do you mean it's the
Speaker 15: main town? Where's that? We were there fifteen minutes ago. No,
Speaker 15: I don't know. I didn't get the flat path and
Speaker 15: you just go There's no way. This is impossible. This
Speaker 15: can't keep happening. So I think he's just taken us
Speaker 15: all for a ride, to be honest with his own amusement.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm at the point where I'm convinced
Speaker 1: I could be like, you know, may just come join
Speaker 1: me in Eastern Kingdoms. There's an Eastern Kingdoms.
Speaker 15: That is what he would be like for sure.
Speaker 17: What's wild is is like he can commit to memory
Speaker 17: within hours a fresh rust map that's right just been spawned,
Speaker 17: but a map that's been around for twenty years.
Speaker 1: No, no, hope, very good, very good. All right, those
Speaker 1: are my two stories. Now I've encouraged you all to
Speaker 1: try and think of something mildly entertaining while I've been
Speaker 1: taking up the first twenty minutes of the pod. Is
Speaker 1: any brave man going to step up and throw a
Speaker 1: guilty under the bus with the charge at the Kangaroo coid?
Speaker 17: Yes, all right, I've got one. It's he wrote, roaching
Speaker 17: out on a guild run.
Speaker 1: This is actually a serious one. This is a funny
Speaker 1: but serious one as well, because I want to come
Speaker 1: up with a legitimate punishment for this person, because this
Speaker 1: one actually rankled me a little bit beyond the funny side.
Speaker 1: I think this was actually pretty piss poor. Tell us
Speaker 1: the story, Markers and tell it with great drama and
Speaker 1: a plum.
Speaker 17: Well it was. It was just like just like any
Speaker 17: other day. Really, there's some moreys, some guild runs going
Speaker 17: into Countdown Guild, which is.
Speaker 1: Se he was angry that day, my friends.
Speaker 17: Yeah, which is you know, it's great. It's great to
Speaker 17: see that. And a fine gentleman named Merk has asked
Speaker 17: if anyone would like to go to Noma. Well, I'm hoored.
Speaker 17: I don't get to go there very much and I
Speaker 17: haven't really experienced it too much, so I was so yeah,
Speaker 17: I'll hear that. No worries and a rogue an undead rogue.
Speaker 17: No less in guild has said, I will come as well.
Speaker 17: We get summoned and the dungeons.
Speaker 1: You can throw the name out there. I think we're
Speaker 1: allowed to do that.
Speaker 17: Schmiek is the name of the undead Rogue, and I
Speaker 17: believe he is one of Ubiquitous's apprentices. If not in person,
Speaker 17: he has definitely read every piece of literature that Ubiquitous
Speaker 17: has put out on being and embodying the undead Rogue.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, okay, disciple of Ubiquitous. Gotcha. It's like
Speaker 1: being a It's like being what do they call the
Speaker 1: Sith trainees. Gotcha?
Speaker 17: Yes, even got the same haircut that Ubiquitous uses, you know,
Speaker 17: like the little gankin undead rogue spiky hair or the mohawk.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 17: So off we go. If we go, we get to
Speaker 17: summon the Alliance players, summon us. There was another Countdown
Speaker 17: member there, throw was his name.
Speaker 1: I think, and and Crudef.
Speaker 17: Crudef wasn't there. However, I did see Crudef's council later
Speaker 17: on after the year.
Speaker 1: Got so three out of five members of the party
Speaker 1: Accountdown people.
Speaker 17: Four four including me. So there's me, there's Merk there's Schmiek,
Speaker 17: and there's Throw and we picked up another warrior from
Speaker 17: another guild who was a very nice person and didn't
Speaker 17: deserve this shabby treatment. Let me tell you, we entered
Speaker 17: the dungeon and all things are going pretty well. I
Speaker 17: flew a little bit close to the sun pressed like
Speaker 17: my torn priest racial ability, which is a bit of
Speaker 17: an AOI ability. I get beat up and die doesn't matter.
Speaker 17: Thorrow is just off heeled, and everybody survived, and we
Speaker 17: kill one of the bosses. We're on our way to
Speaker 17: crowd Pamela and there's a there's a point in there
Speaker 17: where there's a bit of a tricky pull and Merk
Speaker 17: bless him, has overpulled and didn't realize there was a
Speaker 17: well that frontal has just kind of killed everybody except
Speaker 17: for Schmeek because he has pop Sprint jumped and vanished,
Speaker 17: and then old Ford all of a sudden he's offline
Speaker 17: and has left us hanging for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: As you as you guys, what you wiped on that pool?
Speaker 1: Except for him?
Speaker 17: We did. We did, except for Schneek, which is quite typical.
Speaker 17: The rogue Press is vanish and I kind of just
Speaker 17: figured he might go afk and have something, make some
Speaker 17: toast or make a cup of coffee or whatever. But
Speaker 17: he old Ford. That's my accusation is that he old Ford.
Speaker 17: There was no accidental disconnect about this.
Speaker 1: This was and he remained offline, never came back, and
Speaker 1: probably the worst part of it as well, never said
Speaker 1: a fucking word to any of you at the in
Speaker 1: the moment or since.
Speaker 17: Yeah, even the next day. He's in guild chat. I
Speaker 17: dropped a couple of subtle hints to the incident. His
Speaker 17: guild note has been well made better, I'd say by
Speaker 17: Krudef and myself, because I did see Crudev's counsel on this,
Speaker 17: and he was one hundred percent this guy's roached on
Speaker 17: you man like I believe your testimony, and he is
Speaker 17: a very reputable man.
Speaker 1: The wise counsel exactly, the guild, the guild doctor, if you.
Speaker 17: Will, yes, perhaps, yeah, he is our physic, he's our bones, yes, yeah,
Speaker 17: he is our bones. And he's conducted some investigative techniques,
Speaker 17: which is just He asked me what class this gentleman played,
Speaker 17: and I informed him there was a rogue, and well
Speaker 17: he prided a little deeper and asked, you know what
Speaker 17: race is this rope? And I said, well, Dad, he said,
Speaker 17: that's it. He's definitely done it. Undead rogue behavior, straight
Speaker 17: out of the ubiquitous play, a.
Speaker 1: Little bit little bit prejudicial, but that's okay. So so
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is when you brought it up
Speaker 1: guild chat the next day, what did you say and
Speaker 1: what was the reply?
Speaker 17: I was just like, it was a bit of an offhanded,
Speaker 17: you know, I don't ditch your mates type remark. Okay,
Speaker 17: it was a quick just like you know, I didn't
Speaker 17: even direct it at him. I was just kind of
Speaker 17: hoping i'd get a you're sorry and I'm sorry type
Speaker 17: thing and nothing. Crickets radio silence. Well, I don't really
Speaker 17: have time for this guy. I know he roached, and
Speaker 17: he's obviously he's surely he's looked at his guild note
Speaker 17: and seen it. It's all in caps, like you can't
Speaker 17: miss it.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: I whispered, no, sorry, I whispered him today because I
Speaker 1: saw he was online, and because I'm rather incensed by
Speaker 1: this behavior. To be honest with you, all jokes aside,
Speaker 1: I think this is fucking dog shit. And I whispered
Speaker 1: him today when he was in Thunderbluff, and I said, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: are you in the countdown discord? Because I thought la
Speaker 1: last sort of shot at, you know, redemption and having
Speaker 1: a bit of fun with it, maybe get him in
Speaker 1: on this call to answer for his crimes, right, And
Speaker 1: he never replied to me. Now, look, he might have
Speaker 1: been literally just that's what people do. They go AFK
Speaker 1: and a capital city whatever. He was probably AFK whatever.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna hit him up again later because I've
Speaker 1: got a funny feeling Crudef. Maybe I'm getting this wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like Crudef might have reached out to say
Speaker 1: something as well and he got no reply. But maybe
Speaker 1: I'm misremembering that. But I'm going to try and reach
Speaker 1: out to him again later, and if I continue to
Speaker 1: get non replies, I'm actually seeking You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: the guild master you, He's the guild master. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 1: But I'm seeking counsel from all of you on this one.
Speaker 1: I would actually be calling for the World of Warcraft
Speaker 1: death penalty on this one, being a potential g kick.
Speaker 1: I am in sensed by this behavior, and I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be talked off the ledge, but I want to
Speaker 1: hear from the Council of twelve, and he would you
Speaker 1: guys have to say.
Speaker 17: Well, I'm not going to talk to you of the
Speaker 17: ledge he's on right now.
Speaker 3: There's anything we want to do.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've tried to make him aware that he's currently
Speaker 15: being slandered investigated, and he seems to show no interest
Speaker 15: in defending himself, which may be in admittance of guilt,
Speaker 15: or maybe he's just an undead rogue and doesn't care
Speaker 15: about the opinions of sheep.
Speaker 17: You know, well, he's been something he may have read
Speaker 17: in your manifesto ubiquitous.
Speaker 15: Well, I mean I enjoyed his tactical prowess to not
Speaker 15: wipe like the rest of you. So, as far as
Speaker 15: I'm aware, he's just played well so far, I'd see
Speaker 15: no issues any fair enough?
Speaker 1: Are you whispering him now?
Speaker 12: You be?
Speaker 1: And he's not replying.
Speaker 15: I just typed it in guild chat.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he won't if he if he's they keep
Speaker 1: bringing it up in guildchat, and if he doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything and he doesn't reply to whispers, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: he's fucking gone because on I'm and look, Schmiek, if
Speaker 1: you'll listen to this and you want to come defend yourself.
Speaker 1: As you can see, there's a slight amount of tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek in this one. We're more than happy to
Speaker 1: hear from you. But this one just stinks to me
Speaker 1: of and we started to slowly root this out. People
Speaker 1: who are joining the guild who aren't actually really countdown
Speaker 1: listeners or Countdown community members. They've just latched on because
Speaker 1: they watched three minutes of a YouTube video and wanted
Speaker 1: to fucking get involved with what they thought was a
Speaker 1: big guild. It stinks to me a little bit of like,
Speaker 1: this guy's not a countdown bloke, He's just some fucking
Speaker 1: rando who's come along.
Speaker 17: Yeah, he'd never really even said anything. He actually also
Speaker 17: got an item in the run as well, which makes
Speaker 17: his crimes far more heinous in my opinion. He got
Speaker 17: a dagger from from Vile Vicious sorry, the elemental boss
Speaker 17: of Poison Elemental Right, taxic Avendra, what.
Speaker 1: About I want to hear from you other guys who
Speaker 1: haven't we heard from anyone who hasn't spoken yet, Henry,
Speaker 1: So I'll throw it to you. What what say you
Speaker 1: in the in the punishment or department for this one?
Speaker 6: Well, from the words of another undead rogue.
Speaker 3: He has brought shame.
Speaker 5: Upon all of us.
Speaker 1: I tend to agree.
Speaker 21: Yeah, And the thing is like, now, well, basically, no
Speaker 21: one's going to invade me to to a dungeon run
Speaker 21: because everyone's going to think that I'm going to do
Speaker 21: the same thing.
Speaker 1: He's he's tainted you guys, Jack, then Vestige, what say
Speaker 1: you in the punishment department?
Speaker 4: He's a rogue. He is gone, He's.
Speaker 1: Gone, the rogue slander. I love it. It's finally here gone,
Speaker 1: says Jack Vestige. Banishment, banishment every so. I so my
Speaker 1: suggestion of a gee kick is obviously not an outrageous one.
Speaker 17: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 20: Definitely.
Speaker 4: No, you never wroach out on guilty.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's that you're broaching out on guilty's as exactly exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: look is we'll give him one last opportunity because we
Speaker 1: don't fuck around in counter. I was actually just saying
Speaker 1: to the guys yesterday, this is in relation to everything.
Speaker 1: One of my biggest I'd love to hear from you
Speaker 1: guys in general on this one, just as a half
Speaker 1: serious asie. One of my biggest criticisms of guilds en
Speaker 1: Mass in World of Warcraft is. I respect that the
Speaker 1: game is meant to be fun, and I also respect
Speaker 1: that I get accused, justifiably so at times of having
Speaker 1: no chill. Oh you take all this shit too seriously.
Speaker 1: You're a really hard assed can't. You're a fucking piece
Speaker 1: of shit. Just relaxed, bro, It's a game, hahaha. But
Speaker 1: people say that often in relation to their behavior of
Speaker 1: being dickheads. Like people want to log onto World of Warcraft,
Speaker 1: and it's not that they want to necessarily escape and
Speaker 1: just muck around with their gamers. They want to be cockheads.
Speaker 1: And then when someone stands up to them being a
Speaker 1: fucking certifiable cockhead, they try to call you out as
Speaker 1: having no chill, which I greatly disagree with, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I digress. What I'm getting at is I feel like
Speaker 1: guilds historically are very slow to pull the trigger on
Speaker 1: g kicks. I think there's way too much bandwidth afforded
Speaker 1: to fuck wits within guilds. And I get that again,
Speaker 1: it is a game. It's not that serious. It's just
Speaker 1: a fucking group of random people. It's a guild whatever,
Speaker 1: who cares. But like any semi serious, even semi serious
Speaker 1: or hard or like proper guilds, I still find you
Speaker 1: get like really notable moments of dick hetery that leadership
Speaker 1: will really just sort of sit on because you could
Speaker 1: say that people are afraid of conflict and all that
Speaker 1: kind of shit, like it's not that serious. Who gives
Speaker 1: a shit, get over it. I'm the opposite. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I get a whiff of and I've said this,
Speaker 1: like the rule of countdown is no fuck wits. If
Speaker 1: I get a whiff of fuck with behavior, like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: just just get rid of them. I don't know this guy,
Speaker 1: what the fuck do I owe him? Like, just fuck
Speaker 1: them off if they're ruining it for everyone else. How
Speaker 1: do you guys feel about guilds in their attitudes or
Speaker 1: lack of willingness to sort of pull the trigger on
Speaker 1: kicking people.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's usually like around guys that do work, you know,
Speaker 17: like the good damage, great healers, good tanks or whatever.
Speaker 17: Tanks are the ones that just get a pass with
Speaker 17: being absolute fucking cuns. Something that I've experienced in my
Speaker 17: twenty nineteen classic guild to be honest, actually the main
Speaker 17: tank was an absolute jerk and just like made everyone's
Speaker 17: experience bad. But he was the main tank, so there
Speaker 17: was no way he was getting.
Speaker 1: Kicked, right, any of the other guys got experience with this,
Speaker 1: go for it? Who is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 16: If you want a sure fire away of killing a
Speaker 16: guild or having people just radlock leave a douchebag in,
Speaker 16: you're in your run.
Speaker 1: Yeah I agree? Do you do you agree? Yak? Have
Speaker 1: you noticed over the years that leaderships, no matter what
Speaker 1: guild you're in, are typically slow on acting on this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 16: Absolutely, Like I've ran a couple of guilds since twenty
Speaker 16: nineteen Classic Launch, and like, like Hideous was saying, it's
Speaker 16: it's hard to if you have somebody that's like a
Speaker 16: main part of your raid, it's hard to call them
Speaker 16: out on their bullshit because then you have to replace them, right,
Speaker 16: and that's never easy. But if you don't, you know,
Speaker 16: just take action, then you're gonna leave lose other people,
Speaker 16: other people, your other friends.
Speaker 4: So it's not.
Speaker 16: It's better to just deal with it immediately.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I've always found, is like, trust me,
Speaker 1: like act quickly because it gets harder later on and
Speaker 1: you'll regret it. But like my thing is, and this
Speaker 1: is so easy for me to say, as you know,
Speaker 1: a non raider, and you guys are fair to criticize
Speaker 1: me for having my views sort of warped by the
Speaker 1: fact that I don't play this game at a hyper
Speaker 1: serious level or a passing level or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I would always say, personally, it's vibes
Speaker 1: over performance in a guild for me, like I want
Speaker 1: to jump in that voice chat and feel good as
Speaker 1: opposed to being surrounded by like just fucking weird cunts
Speaker 1: who get off on being weird. Oh but they're a
Speaker 1: good tank, Oh but they're a good healer, like I'd
Speaker 1: rather have. I don't care if we're personally like not
Speaker 1: clearing the content. I'd rather not clear the content and
Speaker 1: have fun on the beers with the boys, like a
Speaker 1: round of golf, then play with the dickhead who's just gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, be a cunt and belittle people, or not
Speaker 1: apply to people and steal like you know, roach out
Speaker 1: on people, or just just be a fuck wed in general,
Speaker 1: like fucking who needs that anyway before I move on
Speaker 1: anyone else on this one, before we move on.
Speaker 4: It's just if it's.
Speaker 16: Roaching out on Gillies is like ultimate dishonor right, like,
Speaker 16: you just don't do that. But even if it wasn't
Speaker 16: three other guildies in there with them, it makes the
Speaker 16: guild as a whole look bad, right Like, Yeah, if
Speaker 16: somebody sees somebody from Countdown get loot Ninja lout just
Speaker 16: you know, roach out like you did, They're gonna look
Speaker 16: at the whole guild is like, oh, well, they tolerate this,
Speaker 16: so why would we invite any of them to run?
Speaker 1: I agree, And look, there's there's a million valid reasons
Speaker 1: for doing what Schmid did. You know we joke about
Speaker 1: the like my cat's on fire, you know, alta for
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but like you never know
Speaker 1: what's going on. I RL this is a really valid
Speaker 1: excuse of like we play with people all the time.
Speaker 1: Fuck it happens to me. It's human. We all know
Speaker 1: that things come up that you literally have to walk
Speaker 1: away from the keyboard and be like, I don't care
Speaker 1: if I'm in the middle of the dungeon. I've got
Speaker 1: to go and do this thing right now. And that's fine.
Speaker 1: Irl happens. That's totally cool. That the worst part for
Speaker 1: me was the non explanation afterwards, where we know that
Speaker 1: every single one of us, because we're normal, functioning, decent
Speaker 1: human beings, would reach out to those people, you know,
Speaker 1: six twelve eighteen twenty four hours later and be like, fuck, man,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry about the other day. Something came up.
Speaker 1: I had to do, I had to get up and
Speaker 1: address it. I am so sorry. Or good mate, no worries,
Speaker 1: it happens whatever. Just that one little line of like
Speaker 1: a social outreach is all it fucking takes, and you
Speaker 1: get completely absolved of your crimes. No worries, mate, Yep,
Speaker 1: all good, We don't care. Thank you for saying so.
Speaker 1: When you get to the point where that reach out
Speaker 1: never comes, and then on top of that, when the
Speaker 1: guild starts to sort of tippy toe around it and
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek bring it up in guild chat or
Speaker 1: directly whisper you and you don't reply. Well, now you're
Speaker 1: just looking like the fucking you know problem, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like being a being a good player never justifies
Speaker 6: bad behavior.
Speaker 1: So yeah, look like I say, schmeek, you might be
Speaker 1: listening to this guy and these guys are fucking out
Speaker 1: of control. How serious are they taking this? Jesus I
Speaker 1: had to run to the doctors like sorry, I quit
Speaker 1: your fucking dungeon.
Speaker 4: Boys.
Speaker 1: But like I say, you talk to the people afterwards,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, like I say, I'm gonna whisper this guy,
Speaker 1: even though I'm not the GM, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it on behalf of Ubiquitous, our fucking tyrant lord Ubiquitous.
Speaker 1: I'm going to reach out and be like, hey, mate, um,
Speaker 1: you know, are you are you there? Like they just
Speaker 1: want to figure out are you in the discord? Like
Speaker 1: what's what's your go If he doesn't reply, geekik the spot,
Speaker 1: I'm nine tenths of the way there. I don't want
Speaker 1: to put up with this shit. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: such a little thing, but it's such a big thing
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just five seconds of words.
Speaker 1: Right absolutely, And this it sets the tone for if
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to practice what you preach. If
Speaker 1: we are the no fuck WIT's Guild, we then we
Speaker 1: lay down the law and we're going to upset some
Speaker 1: people along the way. And I've sort of again I'll
Speaker 1: say I always do this like I was saying to
Speaker 1: the boys yesterday, but like we're not we are a
Speaker 1: group of gamers. But we're not the gamer guild, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And when I say gamer, I use
Speaker 1: that word in a very negative context. I've been very
Speaker 1: critical of gamers, you know, lowercase G, upper case a
Speaker 1: lowercase M, that kind of gamer over the years. I'm
Speaker 1: very critical of gamers because I think that there's a
Speaker 1: lot wrong with gaming and the people who game via
Speaker 1: the social act that you see. But we are not
Speaker 1: a gamer guild. We're not fucking weirdos. We don't, you know,
Speaker 1: get awkward socially. We're all like pretty I'd use this term,
Speaker 1: you know, how do I say this not to put
Speaker 1: a label on the term normal and you know, it's
Speaker 1: okay to be abnormal per se. But we are relatively
Speaker 1: as close as you can get to normal people that
Speaker 1: I know, Like, we talk the shit online all the time,
Speaker 1: we hang out, we have beers, we do what we do.
Speaker 1: But everyone's like, for my knowledge for the most part,
Speaker 1: a relatively young, working professional families and all that shit.
Speaker 1: We're all like relatively like minded people to congregate in countdown,
Speaker 1: and we're not We're not the kind of gamers that
Speaker 1: you might find in other guilds where things do get
Speaker 1: a little bit more like the wild Wild West and
Speaker 1: a little bit more weird and you know, wonky shit
Speaker 1: being set in guild chat and funny behavior like we're
Speaker 1: just not those people, and if you want to gain
Speaker 1: with those people, you know we are going to upset you.
Speaker 1: And people will say shit to countdown, like, oh, you
Speaker 1: guys are up tight, you guys fucking have no chill. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: If that's how your term having no chill, then we
Speaker 1: are the no chill Guild. Sorry, we've got to pull
Speaker 1: up our asses. That's just us. But where the fucking
Speaker 1: normal guild in my mind? And I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: keep encouraging our Lord and Savior ubiquitous to you know,
Speaker 1: push the guild in that direction.
Speaker 15: I would like to point out that the kick hammer
Speaker 15: has been exercised already. Anyone will continue to be used thoroughly.
Speaker 1: What tell us a bit more about this?
Speaker 15: Oh, just the great numbers purge has already begun. Yes,
Speaker 15: if you're reaching, if you reach four between ten and
Speaker 15: fourteen days without logging on straight to Gulag. If it's
Speaker 15: a character that doesn't have your alt tag in the
Speaker 15: note and it reaches that straight to the Gulug, no
Speaker 15: mercy because you can always just get reinvited back. But yes,
Speaker 15: it's probably the first time I've ever actually kicked anyone
Speaker 15: from guilds. But I mean, and it's predominantly people that
Speaker 15: seem to have hit level eight and quit. Yeah, but still,
Speaker 15: you know, it's a warmed up muscle and if it
Speaker 15: needs use, it will be used.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, and I was all,
Speaker 1: I love that purge. The other day, I think we
Speaker 1: got rid of about thirty five people who had either
Speaker 1: just you know, dabbled with the game and decided it
Speaker 1: wasn't for them, or alts that hadn't been logged on
Speaker 1: too for a long time. But like Ubiquita says, guys like,
Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't just get reinvited, And we
Speaker 1: do understand. We already had one person say to us, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: my mate like goes out to see for weeks at
Speaker 1: a time, like, please don't kick his tune. He will
Speaker 1: be back. That's totally fine. Just let us know. We'll
Speaker 1: put a guild note on you. We won't kick you,
Speaker 1: but we are going to be relatively ruthless with the
Speaker 1: purge because we don't and we're not the guys that
Speaker 1: get off on seeing that large number next to like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got three hundred people in the guild, mate, we'd
Speaker 1: rather it be one hundred people that actively log on
Speaker 1: than having six hundred and ninety people but fucking only
Speaker 1: seven of them play, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: we will keep up to date with that stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's thank you for that that charge, Marcus.
Speaker 1: I think we dealt with that appropriately, and we'll keep
Speaker 1: the podcast updated with the results of that that allegation.
Speaker 1: Does anyone else have any other stories for Kangaroo Court? Surely,
Speaker 1: surely someone can throw someone under the bus. Fuck make
Speaker 1: it up. I don't care.
Speaker 7: I'm made half one, all right, Caz, it should be yours? Okay,
Speaker 7: because a few days ago you were Lewelin and Teneris. Yes,
Speaker 7: and it's one of those new quests and nobody knows
Speaker 7: what to do or where to do this quest actually,
Speaker 7: and it was I think you were looking for an
Speaker 7: altar at the coast.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you roll in gild cheat is.
Speaker 3: Is this quest even working?
Speaker 20: Is there even an altar?
Speaker 9: And I pointed out to you that it's far north, yes,
Speaker 9: And then you said, I don't know who it was.
Speaker 1: I know who it was. No, No, it was Gigantle.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you said this fucker sent me
Speaker 9: down the.
Speaker 20: Coast and there wasn't even an altar.
Speaker 4: And I see.
Speaker 20: You running around all the coast, up and down and
Speaker 20: not seeing anything.
Speaker 3: It's just hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you reminded me about this story. I
Speaker 1: fucking forgot about this and this is okay, how do
Speaker 1: I say this? Gigantur has been with the Countdown community
Speaker 1: for years. He runs down and with us in epoch.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's a good player, he's a good hunter.
Speaker 1: He is he loves Countdown. He gets randoms involved in
Speaker 1: the show all the time. But he is he is
Speaker 1: a moderation challenge. Not not for toxicity. Gigantaur is the
Speaker 1: the opposite of toxic. But he's just he's he's a
Speaker 1: challenge to deal with from an administrative level. And I
Speaker 1: don't think well, not that he won't mind me saying this,
Speaker 1: but he will know what I'm talking about because he
Speaker 1: and I have have butted heads many times over the
Speaker 1: years of just like trying to rain in what he
Speaker 1: says at times in the discord, just for being off
Speaker 1: on a fucking another planet at times, and also very
Speaker 1: confidently saying blatantly incorrect shit. And I've taken him to task,
Speaker 1: you know, many times over the years about this. Not
Speaker 1: even wou related in the discord. So in the guild chat,
Speaker 1: just like Cas says, he so confidently as I reach
Speaker 1: out to the guild and go, has anyone done this
Speaker 1: particular quest? Do you know where to go? I am
Speaker 1: so lost. He's so confidently and definitively and he's gonna
Speaker 1: see come on the show and be like, no, I said,
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't count. That's not how it fucking works.
Speaker 1: He replies in guilchat and goes and he didn't say
Speaker 1: I think. I'm like ninety nine percent sure. He goes
Speaker 1: down in the southwest, there is a guy in a hut.
Speaker 1: That's where you go for that one. And I go,
Speaker 1: thank you, and I run the five minutes down to
Speaker 1: the southwest, and I knew, I knew the part of
Speaker 1: the beach that he was talking about, And in the
Speaker 1: back of my head, I'm like, I just wasn't I
Speaker 1: just there. I'm fairly certain I didn't see an altar.
Speaker 1: But Gigantor has said, you know, he's the context within
Speaker 1: which he has made this statement suggests that he has
Speaker 1: done the quest and I've missed something. So I will
Speaker 1: return back to that area. I hall asked back down
Speaker 1: there nothing there. Then while I'm there, Kaz goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did that one. It's on the north side of
Speaker 1: the beach, five minutes in the literal polar opposite direction.
Speaker 1: And so I run up to where Kaz has said
Speaker 1: the altar is smack bang right there. I finished the quest.
Speaker 1: I say thank you, Kaz, and then I turned to
Speaker 1: Giganta and go, why the fuck did you answer my
Speaker 1: question when you number one haven't done the quest and
Speaker 1: number two have no fucking idea what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: And of course Giganta just got the like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just saying, I, you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: where it could be because I was around that area earlier.
Speaker 1: I just saw that NPC and thought that's what you
Speaker 1: know could be. And I'm like, that's that's not how
Speaker 1: shit works. When people ask for advice, don't don't get
Speaker 1: in the realm of like, maybe it's this. I specifically said,
Speaker 1: has anyone done this quest? And you haven't done it
Speaker 1: and you don't know, so that's when you keep quiet.
Speaker 1: But anyway, suffice to say, again, no chi coming out better.
Speaker 20: To make you feel a little bit better. I ran
Speaker 20: up and down the coast back three times and I
Speaker 20: didn't see this fucking alter. So here you go.
Speaker 1: That does make me feel better. But yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal charge for kangaroo court. Gigant Or, who I love
Speaker 1: to death and yet is also somehow remains the bane
Speaker 1: of my existence, is charged, and as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: found guilty of leading guilty's astray with shit he does
Speaker 1: not know about. So don't don't just just be wary
Speaker 1: when Gigantor throws the old advice out there, Gigantor, I
Speaker 1: love you, come back on the show and defend yourself
Speaker 1: by all means, boys, are we Are we going guilty
Speaker 1: for that one?
Speaker 15: Absolutely? Absolutely, that would have that would have sent me
Speaker 15: off my fucking rock.
Speaker 1: I went fucking nuts because it's not like it's not
Speaker 1: it is nothing, you go, it was only five minutes
Speaker 1: of travel time, but I'm like, it was a long
Speaker 1: fucking walk, and I'm like, you're killing me. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I digress seems to be harsh against the guilty. That's
Speaker 1: years of years of backstory between me and Giganta or
Speaker 1: behind the fire with that story. Sorry, Kaz, I do that.
Speaker 3: I do that to people irl. Actually, so I'm not
Speaker 3: much better.
Speaker 6: Than if someone someone comes to ask me for directions
Speaker 6: to this point at any direction.
Speaker 1: No, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 7: Oh god, I.
Speaker 4: Have no clue. I don't know.
Speaker 15: I don't want to sound like an idiot, like.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing. It's an epidemic of people
Speaker 1: just answering question since they don't know the answer to,
Speaker 1: but feeling socially awkward to the need to provide an answer.
Speaker 3: Oh, I just want to help, exactly.
Speaker 1: I just want to help. Oh my god. All right,
Speaker 1: that was a good one. Thank you for letting me
Speaker 1: vent there. Now, Uh is that about it? That's a
Speaker 1: pretty good kangaroo court session. If anyone has anything else,
Speaker 1: let me know.
Speaker 12: I have a ticki tac one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 12: So I was in hinterland, just questing, killing some fish,
Speaker 12: and Lushy from the Guild comes along waves in me. So, yeah, Hi,
Speaker 12: how's it going. He's alliance. I'm horrid. Of course we
Speaker 12: can do cross faction here. I'm nice enough and I
Speaker 12: just quickly group with him so I can give him
Speaker 12: some fort and divine spirit buff and he gives me
Speaker 12: a blessing of wisdom, you know whatever. And he heads
Speaker 12: off on his way and I keep killing fish. About
Speaker 12: two minutes later, I all of a sudden get butt
Speaker 12: fucked by a rogue and I'm like, hmmm, that's very interesting.
Speaker 12: I didn't I didn't flag myself well by giving him
Speaker 12: the buffs. I flagged myself. So I am upset that.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 12: Flagged for PvP and me, being nice, got myself.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, I see what you're saying. I I wo.
Speaker 1: Let's get inside the mind of a killer here, I
Speaker 1: reckon Lushy knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 12: He did it with intent.
Speaker 1: What a crafty premeditation like, I think that's accompliced to murder.
Speaker 12: I'm pretty sure he was working with the rogue too.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna go that far.
Speaker 1: Lushy, Lushy, Lushy. It's brilliant, it's diabolical, it's machiavellian. I
Speaker 1: fucking love it. But uh yeah, we'll have to get
Speaker 1: Lushy on there to answer for that one. That could
Speaker 1: be a bit of fun. What do you reckon on
Speaker 1: that one you be.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it seems like a bit of a sinister motives
Speaker 15: going on there, for sure, very.
Speaker 1: Good, but yeah, a lot of people are complaining, well
Speaker 1: not complaining, but noticing that. Yes, guys, if like, be
Speaker 1: careful who you know, buyer beware on the buffs. You know,
Speaker 1: if you buff people who are flagged for PvP and
Speaker 1: you are not, it will draw you into the equation.
Speaker 1: So please, if you don't have war mode on, if
Speaker 1: you don't have PvP on, you want to go about
Speaker 1: your merry way, and you are a buff giver, then
Speaker 1: just be aware of what you're doing. Luckily, as a warlock,
Speaker 1: I don't have this issue, although even though everyone in
Speaker 1: the guild will tell you that I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: slow on the draw with the old unending Breath, I
Speaker 1: do get them out eventually, and I have been giving
Speaker 1: them to randoms here and there, and I've definitely thrown
Speaker 1: out unending breaths without checking the PvP status first, and
Speaker 1: I've luckily dodged all the bullets to this point. But
Speaker 1: I presume Unending Breath would flag you as well. It's
Speaker 1: still a buff, it's got no reason not to flag you.
Speaker 1: But it hasn't done it for me, so that's one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, guys, Well look let's let's wind
Speaker 1: up Kangaroo Court there. I think that's a good session.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a bit more about the game. I want
Speaker 1: to just bring up something while I remember, because now
Speaker 1: that we're getting into the business end of the game
Speaker 1: for me, I know, ever, it's totally cool to be
Speaker 1: whatever level you are, if you're fucking level eighteen, if
Speaker 1: you're level thirty four, whatever, as long as you having fun.
Speaker 1: But you know, most of us on the podcast are
Speaker 1: getting towards the business end of the game now. I'm
Speaker 1: just about to dig fifty five. UB's been sixty for
Speaker 1: fucking eight years, you know, all my crews getting up
Speaker 1: there in the mid to high fifties now, and we're
Speaker 1: starting to you know, encroach on what could be considered
Speaker 1: now endgame content. So by that, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I took my first steps into BRD, which is great,
Speaker 1: Like that's something you'll probably still be running at sixty.
Speaker 1: Plan is eventually start doing your scholars you strats, all
Speaker 1: that shit. And I got my first look at Epoch's
Speaker 1: take on BRD, I you know, thoroughly enjoyed it. But
Speaker 1: there were a couple of interesting notes, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I went in and I believe I was
Speaker 1: fifty two when we went in. I can't remember. Maybe
Speaker 1: I digged fifty three in the dungeon in the early
Speaker 1: outset of the dungeons, so everyone else was like fifty five,
Speaker 1: fifty six. I'm fifty three. And we go through it
Speaker 1: and we did everything up to and including the seven,
Speaker 1: but we skipped Ambassador flame Lash and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: why right now. So BRD was fun. It was you know,
Speaker 1: there's you will see new things in the arena and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, the same deal as all your other dungeons.
Speaker 1: There's a few new mechanics here and there, nice fun
Speaker 1: little challenge. I still think that Epoch. One of the
Speaker 1: best things about this server is how well they have
Speaker 1: fucking nailed like the perfect creamy center of dungeon difficulty.
Speaker 1: It's it's not a cakewalk, but it's not dumb hard either.
Speaker 1: It's just the bosses. As you get sort of more
Speaker 1: towards the higher end of the game, the bosses, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to sort of pay attention a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's good, you know, talk to people about Iranicus
Speaker 1: in sunken temple and whatnot. But also we get to
Speaker 1: Ambassador flame lash, and I want to say, and I
Speaker 1: want to know if you guys agree, you BEI curllous
Speaker 1: you mainly will solaly probably be chiming in on this one.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's bugged because I won't go spoilery.
Speaker 1: We're not going to fully detail what this boss does.
Speaker 1: But all the way I'll put it is a mechanic
Speaker 1: is engaged when he gets to about seventy five percent health,
Speaker 1: and the problem is you do the thing that you
Speaker 1: would ordinarily presume stops this or turns off this mechanic.
Speaker 1: We know, you know, boss kind of pauses, he engages
Speaker 1: some kind of mechanic, and then you see something else
Speaker 1: to do. You go and do the other thing, which
Speaker 1: you then presume presses the button that re engages the boss,
Speaker 1: turns off his mechanic, and you go back to business
Speaker 1: as usual, downing the boss. The boss never turns off
Speaker 1: his mechanic once you do the other thing. So I
Speaker 1: say he's bugged it. Basically, I'll just say it.
Speaker 3: The dee buff that he had on him said, like,
Speaker 3: this is going to continue while the ads are up.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, exactly how.
Speaker 3: We're gone, and he was still doing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he brings in some ads and I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not going to spoilery, but like he becomes immune
Speaker 1: to magic and he brings up some ads. So I
Speaker 1: refuse to believe that it was the designer's intent to
Speaker 1: have this boss remain magically immune for the last three
Speaker 1: quarters of the fight. It literally makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Well also, it was literally bugged to the point where
Speaker 3: the one other spoiler is that he deals in AOI
Speaker 3: like a constant pulsing AOI damage that.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, fuck it, let's just tell them everything at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: Well, I just it's important because when we when we
Speaker 3: came back after dying, we weren't even in the boss
Speaker 3: room and it was still hitting them. Yes, like we
Speaker 3: teleported two like you know, a little ways away, like
Speaker 3: not certainly not within range, and then we all died
Speaker 3: again without even gaining on anything.
Speaker 1: It's definitely well at this point, like we might as
Speaker 1: well discuss it with Like, guys, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear about this boss, you know, skip forward two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five minutes in the podcast. We've we've said the cats
Speaker 1: out of the back. Now we've said, that's okay, that's like,
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest deal. Let's just discuss the boss
Speaker 1: fight boss fight then, because I actually think without the
Speaker 1: barg this would be the example that I'm plucking from
Speaker 1: this dungeon and really singing from the rooftops about like,
Speaker 1: I love this encounter. I love the way they have
Speaker 1: changed this encounter. It's very smart. It's simple changes but effective.
Speaker 1: It is very appropriately difficult, and I'm living in the
Speaker 1: hypothetical worlds where okay, so here's what happened.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 1: You go in, you fight him normally, okay, cool, whatever.
Speaker 1: He gets down to seventy five percent health. He now
Speaker 1: summons two big bad file fire elemental elites like your
Speaker 1: flame guards, right, cool, whatever. You He then pulses this
Speaker 1: AoE damage and he will continue to pulse it rather quickly.
Speaker 1: It's a DPS race. You've got it down these two mobs.
Speaker 1: Then you presume when you down the two ads, his
Speaker 1: magical immunity will go away. He's not physical immune, he's
Speaker 1: just magically immune while he's you know, pulsing this AoE
Speaker 1: and you need to kill the ads. So we on
Speaker 1: the second we wiped the first attempt because we were
Speaker 1: working it out. The second attempt banish one of the
Speaker 1: fire elementals, which I eventually was able to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of a targeting snafoo there, which other players
Speaker 1: have noticed as well, is weird at times. Get the
Speaker 1: banish off, then we down one mob, then we down
Speaker 1: the second mob, and back to the boss. Problem is
Speaker 1: he doesn't then shift into his next phase. He doesn't
Speaker 1: drop the magical immunity. He just stands there forever and
Speaker 1: continues to pulse his AoE damage while only the physical
Speaker 1: people can hit him. And we wiped a second time
Speaker 1: because we had castes in the group and we just
Speaker 1: couldn't do enough damage, and the Healer runs out of
Speaker 1: manna in the hypothetical world Axle, where you know, we
Speaker 1: can imagine what this boss would feel like if it
Speaker 1: were working. I think it's a ten out of ten
Speaker 1: in council, do you agree.
Speaker 3: I like the design, but the numbers around it are
Speaker 3: just way off. It's so overtuned, and like, this is
Speaker 3: my fourth attempt now on this dude, and like being
Speaker 3: the Healer, I'm oom at him being at seventy five
Speaker 3: percent health.
Speaker 17: Oh okay, right, And and we.
Speaker 3: Had our tank off healing, which is how we even
Speaker 3: survived to that point. So yeah, then you know our
Speaker 3: lads is a paladin and the element. You know, the
Speaker 3: ads just have so much friggin health, so they take
Speaker 3: forever to down. And you know, Sounami and the Guild
Speaker 3: has told us that they've you know, she knows people
Speaker 3: who have done it, but the only way they've done
Speaker 3: it is by bringing pure physical you know comps that
Speaker 3: just zerg him and focus him and just make it
Speaker 3: a pure race. And I personally think that then makes
Speaker 3: the counter way less fun. So I like the design
Speaker 3: of it. As far as the mechanics go. It's just
Speaker 3: the he needs to be taken down a notch and
Speaker 3: the the ads.
Speaker 1: Need to have That's fair enough, and we'll dive a
Speaker 1: bit more into the numbers. I'll just say I've got
Speaker 1: breaking news here on the side. Well, we've had another
Speaker 1: I know we just ended the Kangaroo Court session, but
Speaker 1: I've had another late charge submitted to the court and
Speaker 1: filed with the Admin desk, and Lazarus has said Josh
Speaker 1: I would like to bring Axel up on Kangaroo court
Speaker 1: charges for spoiling the Ambassador flame lash encounter to the community.
Speaker 3: That's a very fair. I have no real defense.
Speaker 1: Guilty guilty, flame lash him.
Speaker 15: All right, did you guys get to Magnus and stuff
Speaker 15: then after that or did you not yesterday?
Speaker 3: I've done it, and Las have done it previously. He
Speaker 3: is also overtuned, but not as bad, not nearly as bad.
Speaker 15: Okay, Yeah, I've been getting a lot of whispers in game,
Speaker 15: like when people are forming groups, and there's lots of
Speaker 15: BRD groups that are like, we're only taking level fifty
Speaker 15: eighths and above because it's that much of a ball
Speaker 15: lake towards the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just that I really feel. Yeah, it does feel
Speaker 3: like the first half is fine other than the flame marsh,
Speaker 3: but the.
Speaker 1: Back half let me throw let me throw this out.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just
Speaker 1: wondering if it's a possibility, and I want you to
Speaker 1: shoot me down if you think I'm way off. Is
Speaker 1: it potentially the case that the designer of this particular
Speaker 1: one has gone, you know what? Fuck you all? The
Speaker 1: back half of BID is fully intended for sixty plus,
Speaker 1: for sixty plus, you know what I mean, level sixteen.
Speaker 15: I was thinking about that, and I'm kind of warming
Speaker 15: up to it to be honest, like it is arguably
Speaker 15: the greatest dungeon in classic for just how much of
Speaker 15: a fucking metropolis that it is.
Speaker 22: And I don't know, I'm kind of I'm kind.
Speaker 15: Of vibing with it that, like, yeah, Arena runs a
Speaker 15: f your low fifties, and then if you want to
Speaker 15: go clear into a Princess run, it's like a level
Speaker 15: sixty dungeon. I don't really hate the idea, but nor.
Speaker 1: Do I probably nor do I AXL. I want you
Speaker 1: to sort of open your mind and think about this.
Speaker 1: And I know it's hard to say, but if I
Speaker 1: were to say to you, do you think if you
Speaker 1: were sixty with decent blues, could you have done the
Speaker 1: Flame Lash?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 3: I don't think we could have done Flame Last yeven
Speaker 3: if we were sixty with our comp because they're too
Speaker 3: magic heavy. I think, yeah, fair enough. If we're magnus.
Speaker 3: I think if we were all like maybe fifty eight,
Speaker 3: which I would say personally, that's where I would put it.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you need to all have a be
Speaker 3: at least fifty eight plus to like clear the back
Speaker 3: half of BRD. I think that would make sense. I
Speaker 3: think requiring it to be sixty when those first mobs
Speaker 3: are like in their forties, a.
Speaker 1: Little ridiculous, you're not on board, I'll chuck out the warning.
Speaker 15: Then that level sixty dungeons have many things that require
Speaker 15: you to have a balanced group entirely, Like if you
Speaker 15: if you don't want to bring a spell caster and
Speaker 15: physical DPS, then you're gonna hate most of level sixty.
Speaker 1: Anyway, there you go.
Speaker 15: There's there's straight up just pure immune mobs in say
Speaker 15: scolo for example, where I've been the only person in
Speaker 15: the entire party that can do a magic damage, so
Speaker 15: I just have to solo to elites while the party watches. Yeah,
Speaker 15: so stack taunt immune and everything like, I have to
Speaker 15: kite them to kill these elites while the party to
Speaker 15: stand around.
Speaker 1: I'm into it. I'm into like forcing people into party balance.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of fun.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it's like there's been heaps of things
Speaker 15: in this version of the game where you go and
Speaker 15: you go actually it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: It's different.
Speaker 1: It's interesting on this one because I do understand people
Speaker 1: who might be on the other side of the argument
Speaker 1: going like fuck you like and people are like, how
Speaker 1: do I put this. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who dintalote who don't like to be told how to
Speaker 1: play the game. Fuck you. If I want to stack warriors,
Speaker 1: then the fucking game should let me stack warriors. Don't
Speaker 1: you fucking tell me how to do my meta. That
Speaker 1: is an opinion out there. Also, you could say, and
Speaker 1: they may say this in bad faith, but you know
Speaker 1: it is a potential good faith argument as well to say,
Speaker 1: but seriously, what if all my friends are Malay and
Speaker 1: now I have to break up my friends group because
Speaker 1: the game is saying we need to be balanced. That's
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. Man. I I see where you're coming from,
Speaker 1: but like, I'm still more on board with the game
Speaker 1: sort of saying to you, like, hey, a major warlock,
Speaker 1: a warrior, a palettin, and a rogue might be a
Speaker 1: good idea.
Speaker 15: Yeah, And I'm saying lot of If anything, it's a
Speaker 15: very good excuse for you to say that I'm the caster.
Speaker 15: I form my group without another caster DPS, and it's
Speaker 15: no longer because you're a loot gobblin. It's because, like, no,
Speaker 15: it's just better to have balance in parties now when
Speaker 15: you do stuff. So every grip that I've been going
Speaker 15: to has like a male like a shaman, because they're
Speaker 15: like a hybrid. They can help with both one physical damage,
Speaker 15: one cast of damage, and then obviously whatever healer and
Speaker 15: tank you can get. So I think it's good. I
Speaker 15: still would hate to see hard immune bosses, but I
Speaker 15: don't mind it when it's just a couple of packs
Speaker 15: in a dungeon that just chuck a curveball at you
Speaker 15: so that you have to do things differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that the thing to be wary
Speaker 3: of exactly is bosses because you know, you kind of
Speaker 3: tanks are not plentiful, and so if you have a
Speaker 3: magic immune tank, things, paladins just can't tank it. Now
Speaker 3: you've lost a thirty your potential tanks and paladine are
Speaker 3: probably more than a third of the tank options realistically,
Speaker 3: just because of how heavily played they are. So I
Speaker 3: just would be wary about taking it too far, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like going you need to make sure you have at
Speaker 3: least one physical damage dealer and at least one magic
Speaker 3: dealer in your group. That's fine, right if you're if
Speaker 3: your hybrid shamans can kind of you know, assist in
Speaker 3: either role and you can figure like, I don't mind
Speaker 3: people having to figure out some janky ways to get through,
Speaker 3: but I ultimately I've been big on play with your
Speaker 3: friends this particular go around. That's probably why I've been
Speaker 3: playing as much as I have.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from all you other guys. I
Speaker 1: want to know whether you I don't want the game
Speaker 1: to tell me what to do, versus you know party
Speaker 1: balance is good, you be equitous. I've been. I've been
Speaker 1: accused rather rather vigorously in the old YouTube comments, and
Speaker 1: you all know my thoughts on YouTube comments, but I've
Speaker 1: been accused of apparently stacking the podcast with yes men
Speaker 1: who were too afraid to disagree with my opinions on
Speaker 1: this show, which I won't even bother addressing how laughable
Speaker 1: I think that is. But you know, if you agree
Speaker 1: with that, let me know you be. But also I
Speaker 1: encouraged someone to fucking clap back at me and say, Josh,
Speaker 1: you're wrong. Party balance is shit. I want to stack
Speaker 1: four warriors in my in my scolo.
Speaker 17: I think there's I think party balance is good, but
Speaker 17: I think the way that's been described now is a
Speaker 17: fucking shit way of doing it. Making people just stand
Speaker 17: there twiddle their thumbs while a rogue kites things around
Speaker 17: for five minutes killing it fucking sucks. That's poor poor design.
Speaker 17: Probably figure out a different way to.
Speaker 15: Do it that. It's the mobs I'm talking about turn
Speaker 15: into a shade that becomes physically damage immune. So if
Speaker 15: my groups weren't so fucking shit, they would have unlocked
Speaker 15: it and we would blow it up as a team.
Speaker 15: But no, the rogue doesn't cheap shot, the rogue doesn't kidney.
Speaker 15: They just zug zug and then after like one second,
Speaker 15: it turns into a physical immune mob that I have
Speaker 15: to solo.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a good group in your life?
Speaker 15: Ah? Yes, I did have one fantastic dungeon the other day.
Speaker 15: But no, it's just I'm telling you. I mean, we
Speaker 15: predicted this. The quality of player on this server is
Speaker 15: categorically below by a chunk then what official servers are. Yes,
Speaker 15: I would agree, and it has shown the like.
Speaker 1: Still it's better than I've expected. I had the bar
Speaker 1: prep set pretty low.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think surprisingly a lot of the tanks have
Speaker 15: been okay. But god damn man, these private server hunters,
Speaker 15: they're bringing back two thousand and four in the worst way.
Speaker 15: So they're the worst player all the time. Every time
Speaker 15: the hunter is the worst. I just don't understand. So,
Speaker 15: but I have had good runs, and I don't know.
Speaker 15: I'm kind of doing this strange thing at sixty where
Speaker 15: it's like when you go on holidays and you make
Speaker 15: sure to do touristy shit all day so that you
Speaker 15: feel validated to just go hit the local pub at
Speaker 15: night and meet the locals. I'm doing quests in Western
Speaker 15: Playglands at the moment to give shit gold and obviously
Speaker 15: no XP because I'm sixty, just because it's a new
Speaker 15: hub that I didn't realize existed when I leveled through it. Well,
Speaker 15: I guess on that tangent, if you think Western Plaguelands
Speaker 15: had nothing new, you need to go to the island
Speaker 15: that scholar mancs on and that is actually the quest
Speaker 15: hub for Western Playglands. Now I've come to learn. There
Speaker 15: you go, so go out of your way to do it.
Speaker 15: It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Let me just say, while I'm doing the sour grapes
Speaker 1: thing and I bring it up, Marcus, I couldn't tell. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you have to tell me. So were you disagreeing with
Speaker 1: my take on this?
Speaker 17: Disagreeing with how it's been executed. I wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 17: disagreeing with your take.
Speaker 1: I think it's because if you're disagreeing with me, I'll
Speaker 1: kick you from the fucking discord. Never talk to you, man.
Speaker 17: I think I'm a yes man, you know. Nah, But like,
Speaker 17: I'm not disagreeing with the premise of what you're saying,
Speaker 17: but the way it's been executed here seems like not
Speaker 17: the best. Like that fight that you guys encountered yesterday
Speaker 17: and you just discussed. Now, unless that's a bug, like
Speaker 17: I'm going to be really disappointed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if it's not a bug, it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so there's what we got for it.
Speaker 3: We got sixteen it's a bug and it's overturn.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, sixteen people on the call, right.
Speaker 17: Just like and spamming abilities to make things harder kind
Speaker 17: of sucks as well as just cranking damage up kind
Speaker 17: of sucks. Is like, make things technically more difficult, not
Speaker 17: just this damage immune like this particular damage.
Speaker 15: I'm the polar opposite. I love the spell spamming from MOBS.
Speaker 15: I think it's fucking great.
Speaker 17: Okay, we different spells. I'd be okay with it. But
Speaker 17: the same fucking spell, like especially the super annoying ones
Speaker 17: like snap kick or fucking something like that.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's what I mean. I just I'm literally fighting vultures.
Speaker 15: Or I was like two minutes.
Speaker 1: Ago that have the old knockdown.
Speaker 15: Knockdown one and a half seconds stun, and I had
Speaker 15: the little half a second of it. I haven't had
Speaker 15: breakfast fucking tantrum. This is fucking bullshit. And then I went, ah, fine,
Speaker 15: I'll you slow, I'll actually frosten over it. I'll blink
Speaker 15: out of the fucking stun. Wow, look at me, I'm
Speaker 15: pressing more than just fucking k blast to blow something up.
Speaker 15: And then I was like grateful for the fucking experience
Speaker 15: compared to every other mob I've killed this morning. I
Speaker 15: don't know, I just like that they at least do something.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's the easiest way to
Speaker 17: do it, but it's also be the lamest way to
Speaker 17: do it. They probably could have done it better, but
Speaker 17: again it's there to have.
Speaker 15: You want mobs to have rotations, well.
Speaker 17: They probably could like rotate two abilities maybe instead of
Speaker 17: just like knockdown knockdown, knockdown knockdown, just spammed every three
Speaker 17: seconds seems just lazy, but I guess I understand it.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, Marcus. I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think they could do more than one thing, and we
Speaker 1: know these moments that have more than one ability.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've I've encountered plenty of mobs that have like
Speaker 15: two or three abilities.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, the pummel and knockdown is a brutal combo. There's
Speaker 15: been a few of them out in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with I am with you, though, I've
Speaker 1: been mostly happy with it, Like there's there's moments of frustration,
Speaker 1: but I've been still mostly happy with it, like it's
Speaker 1: it my my rage. I keep saying, my one rage
Speaker 1: moment in silver Pine seems like a distant memory, and
Speaker 1: everything difficulty wise with this game post silver Pine has
Speaker 1: felt really good. Yeah, guys, let's talk a bit more
Speaker 1: about some of the things you've seen that are new. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm in Angorero at the moment, and I haven't actually
Speaker 1: really seen that many new quests. The guys you'll say
Speaker 1: they are there, and I've seen a few new ones,
Speaker 1: but like nothing outrageous. So Ubi, I do accuse you
Speaker 1: of hyping up Angoro a bit too much. I think
Speaker 1: it's really mostly still the same thing.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to.
Speaker 15: I would like to defend myself. I didn't say they
Speaker 15: added a whole bunch. They just added some cool shit
Speaker 15: around the perimeter.
Speaker 1: But you said Angro was your second favorite new like
Speaker 1: second favorite zone.
Speaker 15: Now second favorite might need to get a clip on that.
Speaker 15: It was my It's already a good zone and then
Speaker 15: they've just added the ten to fifteen percent on top.
Speaker 15: So maybe interpreted incorrectly. Well I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 15: didn't explain it properly. I just it's still one of
Speaker 15: the best leveling zones. Is kind of what I'm meant.
Speaker 1: Now there, and it met it even better for me.
Speaker 1: The only thing I came.
Speaker 3: In here earlier today, i've gotten almost two levels and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, but that's but that's Angora's always been good
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 3: I came in at fifty six, not like fair I've
Speaker 3: done fifty yeah.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. I think the only
Speaker 1: like notable cool new thing they added in Angorro was
Speaker 1: just like, there's a reason to kill a devil saw
Speaker 1: Now I don't know, and there's apparently what the like
Speaker 1: you said like the Devil Saw mafia is fucking how
Speaker 1: do you run a Devil Saw mafia? When there's a
Speaker 1: quest for the mob.
Speaker 15: They still just camp it and you have to beg
Speaker 15: the uh usually broken English speaking, So that's guildless to
Speaker 15: let you be in their party while they kill it
Speaker 15: and then you get your quest and they get the skin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 15: I think his name was Vanilla g Yeah. I hope
Speaker 15: he's still out there.
Speaker 1: I've seen him.
Speaker 15: He let anyone that asked, He let you in for free,
Speaker 15: gave you the fucking gave you the kill tag or whatever,
Speaker 15: and then off you go. And he was happy to
Speaker 15: just help anyone that asked.
Speaker 22: All right, he let me into. But then I've skilled
Speaker 22: the devils, skin the devils right away.
Speaker 1: You've made.
Speaker 15: You have begun his villain arc and he's never gonna
Speaker 15: let anyone do that question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've made the list for sure.
Speaker 4: This will be his origin story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was I gonna say. I'm off
Speaker 1: to as Shara next, which I'm very excited for because
Speaker 1: I presume they've done a lot with it, because we
Speaker 1: always highlight as Shara as the one zone you could
Speaker 1: do the most with. So maybe I'm setting the bar
Speaker 1: too high in my mind.
Speaker 15: I give as Shira a five out of ten. Oh,
Speaker 15: the geography of the zone is still just such a
Speaker 15: fucking torture. It makes it incredible sad to be in.
Speaker 3: It's just plenty of new quests, but it's just the
Speaker 3: shit geography. Unless they had a bunch of ways to
Speaker 3: get to and from the shore like, which they didn't,
Speaker 3: then it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well is there is? Just as I'm on these
Speaker 1: last steps of my journey, Like I said, I'm about
Speaker 1: to sing fifty five, you be where should I be
Speaker 1: looking to go? If I'm trying to sniff out new content?
Speaker 1: Like burning Steps will be one I was going to
Speaker 1: go down.
Speaker 15: You're selling me off it now I would now that
Speaker 15: I am doing it literally this morning. I really recommend
Speaker 15: if you're like fifty five, go to Western Plaguelands and
Speaker 15: you go to the Scholarman's Island, And the whole gist
Speaker 15: of it that I wasn't aware of is like you
Speaker 15: go there, you get a quest and as I go,
Speaker 15: talk to the students around the island, and then if
Speaker 15: you actually be bothered to do that, I completely ignored it.
Speaker 15: All of them become quest NPCs, like, now I'm twelve
Speaker 15: quest into Western plague lands and it is the whole
Speaker 15: school of scholarmnts like storyline kind of shit, right, and
Speaker 15: it's sending you off to crips and the like, the
Speaker 15: scarlet people up north, all that shit. So I think,
Speaker 15: in my on my next character, if I came here
Speaker 15: and did the bulwark. Plus, this island of this zone
Speaker 15: is actually quite thorough now.
Speaker 1: So maybe what I could do is finish up on
Speaker 1: Goro B fifty five and a half, go to double
Speaker 1: you reckon fifty five for WPL. Yeah or is that
Speaker 1: a little bit?
Speaker 15: Yeah, that'd be perfect, Like everything here is fifty two
Speaker 15: to fifty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, so do WPL. Then let's say I finished WPL
Speaker 1: at fifty seven. What would you recommend next content?
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, Bernie Steps or Windo Grass.
Speaker 1: Both of them have yeah renovated, So those if I
Speaker 1: just yeah wp L winter Grass burning Steps should get
Speaker 1: me from fifty five to sixty.
Speaker 15: Yeah, easily. I think Winter Grass was probably going to
Speaker 15: come out as my favorite zone so far.
Speaker 1: Winter sorry, winter Spring again?
Speaker 4: Can we go on to the north end?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 15: Winter Spring?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my bad? Very good? All right, Well I'll do
Speaker 1: that I'll fuck as Shara off, which is a bit
Speaker 1: of a shame, and I'll go see this other stuff
Speaker 1: because the scholar mans thing does sound cool to me.
Speaker 1: I still won't touch EPL with a ten foot pole
Speaker 1: because I fucking hate that zone.
Speaker 15: I yeah, I wouldn't. I mean again, maybe I've done
Speaker 15: it wrong, but it's just I didn't really see anything
Speaker 15: that new or enticing in Eastern Playlands for leveling, Like
Speaker 15: I'm I'm never going to take another character there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Tell us a bit more about what
Speaker 1: you've seen UBI in terms of you know you've done
Speaker 1: your scholars I don't know if you've done as Strat.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about these level sixty dungeons without giving
Speaker 1: too much away and just your initial thoughts.
Speaker 15: I think they've done really, really well. I like every
Speaker 15: single dungeon that I've done. I like doing them. I've
Speaker 15: done like three or four Scholars. I've done Strath on
Speaker 15: Dead Strath Live. I did Ubers last night that was
Speaker 15: really cool, done Lowers with all with new ship. Yep,
Speaker 15: there's new. Well, the bosses do new stuff that is
Speaker 15: actually relevant, Like we wiped four times on the last
Speaker 15: boss of Ubers and it's a five man dungeon now,
Speaker 15: so that's kind of cool, but and it was still
Speaker 15: only it was an our twenty minutes run, and like
Speaker 15: twenty minutes of that was running back because it's a
Speaker 15: fucking prick of a run to get back to that
Speaker 15: last room.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 15: But all the bosses just have abilities that make you
Speaker 15: fucking play the game. It's just nice. It's nice to
Speaker 15: not just pull the boss and press one button for
Speaker 15: forty five seconds and it falls over, and like the
Speaker 15: it I'm actually the most envious of healers because they
Speaker 15: do things now, like the whole the whole party is
Speaker 15: taking damage from something at some point, Like it feels
Speaker 15: like every boss fight, even Scholomance, like those last the
Speaker 15: six minibosses before the final boss, like they do shit,
Speaker 15: like they're just it's not just an NPC that takes
Speaker 15: twice as long to kill anymore. But yeah, I like
Speaker 15: what they've done. And even the trash packs are just
Speaker 15: a bit more brutal. I've c seed more than I
Speaker 15: have probably since doing the very first heroics in TBC,
Speaker 15: and you actually, you know if there's a six pack
Speaker 15: or if your tank for some reason hates pulling back
Speaker 15: to the previous room. You just got to be ready
Speaker 15: because the agro is so wonky. Like some when Scholar
Speaker 15: we ended up with like a sixteen mob pool just
Speaker 15: instant wipe. But no, it's been really really good, like
Speaker 15: the if you like the leveling up dungeons, I think
Speaker 15: they've kind of nailed the sixty stuff really really cool.
Speaker 1: I still really really like it. And as a DPS player,
Speaker 1: I hitting my CC and I know, like Laz is
Speaker 1: here listening in, and please Laz, by no means am
Speaker 1: I saying you have to talk here? But I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say, like I feel horrible, you know, well I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad, but like I feel like I'm giving
Speaker 1: Laz the shits massively because there are just moments when
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to fear here, Like I fucking
Speaker 1: have to fear or this tank dies because he's got
Speaker 1: five mobs on him beating the living shit out of him,
Speaker 1: and I can just delete one of those mobs with
Speaker 1: a fear, and like, I respect that fear is something
Speaker 1: that tanks a historically incredibly like wary of. But like
Speaker 1: in this version of the game, when you're pulling back,
Speaker 1: you know, into a good space in the room beforehand
Speaker 1: or whatever, And like I said, it does, it really
Speaker 1: does look like the fear is running about fifty percent
Speaker 1: less than they used to, so they're not running off
Speaker 1: to Tim Buckt when pulling the whole room full of
Speaker 1: Mobsnake's door. I really feel the need and the want
Speaker 1: to help out with my CC and I hate even
Speaker 1: though I'm like, the tank's gonna fucking freak out when
Speaker 1: I send this fear out, but I really feel like
Speaker 1: it's the best decision in this particular moment. I get
Speaker 1: that feeling a lot, and I like it.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're I feel like you're a little
Speaker 3: biased because our br D run yesterday was probably the
Speaker 3: worst performing me in last have been in br D,
Speaker 3: both of us.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's a tough dungeon.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, but we went in there at lower
Speaker 3: levels and had an easier time. I think I think
Speaker 3: Lads was a little over aggressive because he's a little
Speaker 3: higher and he's got a fancy new weapon, and I,
Speaker 3: you know, waiting that extra hour for you to finish
Speaker 3: with Marcus had a couple of extra beers, and my
Speaker 3: reaction times and decision making, we're not as good as
Speaker 3: they probably as a healer.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. All I'm getting at it. All
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is pressing CC buttons feels good, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like being discouraged from pressing it.
Speaker 1: And I hate this.
Speaker 3: Like it was cool when you banished.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I was gonna call I was going
Speaker 1: to kangaroo court myself for this one, Axule, because like
Speaker 1: I would hope that I know this is going to
Speaker 1: seem like that, you know, haha, that's all. It's always
Speaker 1: fun to laugh at Josh for being a fucking you know,
Speaker 1: he's the content creator, he's the fucking shitty player, all
Speaker 1: that stuff, even though I still am determined to prove
Speaker 1: people that I'm nowhere near as shit as people seem
Speaker 1: to think I am. I think a lot of players
Speaker 1: have probably been in this situation. Like I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: a warlock veteran, guys. I keep calling myself a first
Speaker 1: time warlock, but what I really mean by that is, yes,
Speaker 1: I've played warlocks in the past, but I've never played
Speaker 1: one seriously, if that makes sense. So the warlock I
Speaker 1: had in Classic, you guys know, I've told this story before.
Speaker 1: I was the massive fuck with who five boxed a
Speaker 1: multi box team purely by dungeon leveling. I had a Warrior,
Speaker 1: a Warlock, a mage, fucking something else. And I this
Speaker 1: is in like twenty twenty. I had a multi box team,
Speaker 1: and you know, I used the software because it was
Speaker 1: you know, I think I said as soon as they
Speaker 1: illegalized the software as when I started trying it out,
Speaker 1: because I'd never heard of it before, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I can do dungeons alone and play
Speaker 1: the game alone and I don't need anyone else, and
Speaker 1: this is fun. And I leveled a team up to
Speaker 1: sixty and seventy just doing that basically. So I had
Speaker 1: a Warlock at seventy and TBC Classic, but I never
Speaker 1: really properly leveled it before. I'd never played one on
Speaker 1: its own to learn the class. I don't multibox anymore.
Speaker 1: I think multi boxing is a fucking joke. Now I've
Speaker 1: really turned one eighty on it and my attitude towards it.
Speaker 1: But but now that I've leveled this Warlock, it's really
Speaker 1: the first time I've truly done it in a classic world, going, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what it feels like to properly play and
Speaker 1: have to survive on your own as a warlock, and
Speaker 1: you don't get banish until I'm going to get at
Speaker 1: the level wrong, but it's late. You don't get banished
Speaker 1: until like forty two, forty four or some shit like that.
Speaker 1: You warlocks will know. And then, more importantly, even once
Speaker 1: you get banish, like you never hit that button once
Speaker 1: in the open world when you're leveling solo, like, you
Speaker 1: have no fucking reason to ever banish anything right unless
Speaker 1: you've for some reason truly up shit creek about to
Speaker 1: die and you've got an elemental or a demon on you.
Speaker 1: You just don't hit it right. So every class has
Speaker 1: this ability that they get late in the game that
Speaker 1: if you're not used to the class, you kind of
Speaker 1: forget that you've got it. So like we get to
Speaker 1: Ambassador flame Lash and we wiped the first time, and
Speaker 1: I said, We're sitting there brainstorming and going Okay, no, guys,
Speaker 1: we can do this, we can do this. Let's talk
Speaker 1: strat and at some point someone goes, well, Josh, why
Speaker 1: don't you just banish one of the two ads that
Speaker 1: comes out? And I went, oh yeah, And I heard
Speaker 1: someone laughing discord because they're probably thinking this fucking idiot warlock.
Speaker 1: But like I just I legitimately forgot I had the
Speaker 1: fucking spell and I cast it for the first time
Speaker 1: in my fucking life on that second attempt. But now
Speaker 1: I know I've got it and it's a great spell.
Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm getting at is, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a fuck with it. But also,
Speaker 1: have you guys had those moments or do you know
Speaker 1: that spell for your class you get so late and
Speaker 1: forget that you've then got.
Speaker 17: Fade. I forget. I have that one all the time,
Speaker 17: very good spell you get like a level eight. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 17: I just never press it, bro, I just like I'm
Speaker 17: just too chad for that. Yeah, I don't need to
Speaker 17: drop threat. I need to be the most threatening man
Speaker 17: in the dungeon.
Speaker 1: I'll actually give you. I'll give you Lee Wou on
Speaker 1: this one, because again, if you're leveling and you're not,
Speaker 1: like you know, you just have no. I get that
Speaker 1: we do dungeons while we level, but you fucking never
Speaker 1: press fade.
Speaker 22: We haven't got the walls on gulps. Then a dodge
Speaker 22: for the PvP, No, I don't. It actually does it
Speaker 22: gives you dodge in wars on golfs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I pressed flame tongue totem for the first time
Speaker 3: in my entire shaman career. When it's my main class,
Speaker 3: I play just because of the way they've changed it.
Speaker 3: Yesterday we finally had a group where it was appropriate.
Speaker 1: Yak's got a great example, shackle undead, perfect example.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've seen a few shackles get used so far in.
Speaker 1: Dung, but they don't get it until like fucking fifty
Speaker 1: nine and a half. It's quite late. When they get it.
Speaker 12: We get it like in our thirties, but it just
Speaker 12: becomes very it's very situational.
Speaker 1: I thought it was in the forties. Okay, my bad,
Speaker 1: My bad.
Speaker 17: It's a bit.
Speaker 12: I'm fifty and I got like two ranks.
Speaker 15: Of it already.
Speaker 1: Okay, my bad, all right.
Speaker 12: But like I don't use my control. I keep forgetting
Speaker 12: I have my control.
Speaker 17: Oh mate, that's the first speller I remember I have.
Speaker 17: They're just gonna mind control and eat someone off something.
Speaker 17: That's like the first fun for PvP.
Speaker 12: It's yeah, it's I always remember to use that there.
Speaker 12: But like PVEE content, I always forget, like, oh, maybe
Speaker 12: I could mind control somebody and do something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just trying to make myself feel better,
Speaker 1: so like, thank you for that, guys. The moral of
Speaker 1: the story is still fucking Josh has got a lot
Speaker 1: to learn. I'm really enjoying learning warlock warlocks are And
Speaker 1: a few people are starting to not notice this on
Speaker 1: the subreddit. Look, this was a calculated choice by me. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've never I did it because I've never seriously leveled
Speaker 1: a Warlock before, like I said, but also I looked
Speaker 1: into the Epoch Warlock before I rolled it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I really just think on paper this thing
Speaker 1: could pump because the drainsul thing is such a big
Speaker 1: chain and just them getting seed of corruption in this
Speaker 1: version of the game. I'm like, look, yeah, we all know, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: warlocks have always historically been the pumper of TBC and
Speaker 1: it's a TBC base and I get that, but this
Speaker 1: isn't tbc's it's epos put a twist on it. But
Speaker 1: it was still like, oh, I really think this Warlock
Speaker 1: is going to be a fucking force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1: And it seems like people are coming back with some
Speaker 1: reports of damage meters going like we all bitch and
Speaker 1: moaned and you know, I'm guilty of this bitch, and
Speaker 1: moaned about the Hunters through the leveling process, going, oh,
Speaker 1: why they're doing twice the damage of everyone else. That's
Speaker 1: a bit weird. It seems that like the script flips
Speaker 1: at sixty and people are saying warlocks are doing twice
Speaker 1: the damage of everyone else. Have you noticed this or not.
Speaker 15: I haven't had a single warlock in any of my
Speaker 15: dungeons yet. Okay from everyone else. I mean people keep telling, well,
Speaker 15: people are like two people said, supposed to be STI
Speaker 15: as well, right, And it's like, I mean, it's tier.
Speaker 15: If the boss dies in twenty seconds, it's not it's
Speaker 15: not that great. If the boss lasts more than a minute,
Speaker 15: that's just the arcane life. But yeah, I think this.
Speaker 15: I've still got the eternal gripe that like, hunters are
Speaker 15: doing as much damage as me, and they just get
Speaker 15: to send a pet in an auto shoot and that's
Speaker 15: like seventy percent of their damage, and they're pressing one
Speaker 15: other button and it's like, fuck, man, I'm popping like
Speaker 15: four cool downs and all this other bullshit and managing
Speaker 15: manner to just keep up with an auto shooting bot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, So that's the bane of my existence. But it
Speaker 15: has been very, very fair from what I've seen. Yeah,
Speaker 15: like I've been in been in parties with Pali's Warriors, Rogues, Hunters, Majors, Shamans,
Speaker 15: and like all of us either have packs that we
Speaker 15: pop off on or situations that we pop off in,
Speaker 15: but overall it's all pretty similar.
Speaker 1: I'm the only the main thing I'm wrestling with is
Speaker 1: at the moment, and it's hard to sort of say, oh,
Speaker 1: you've got the Warlocks, tell me what you think, But
Speaker 1: none of you have played this version Warlock before, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of pointless reaching out for advice unless someone
Speaker 1: is playing a high level Warlock on Epoch. But like,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a weird moment during the encounter where
Speaker 1: it's kind of like I'm still getting the feel for
Speaker 1: it with you know, when do I shadow burn and
Speaker 1: when do I start learning? When to start drained Soul
Speaker 1: Because it is a high powered execute that's empowered by
Speaker 1: the level of health that the mob has. It it's
Speaker 1: a fine art. I have worked it out for the
Speaker 1: most part, but it is a fine art figuring out
Speaker 1: when to start that execute because execute effectively damage wise
Speaker 1: is sending out a shadow bolt every tick, So it's
Speaker 1: like a twelve second cast or something, but it sits
Speaker 1: there in a channels. You all know how drain soul works,
Speaker 1: but effectively, every two and a half seconds, it's just
Speaker 1: doing a shadow bolt's worth of damage when when the
Speaker 1: mob well actually no, sorry, I lie, it's doing a
Speaker 1: shadow bolts worth of damage when it's not empowered every
Speaker 1: two and a half seconds, and then you get like
Speaker 1: up to forty percent extra on top of that if
Speaker 1: they're at low health. So it's pretty fucking powerful. So
Speaker 1: it's basically like a shadow bolt quit when they're at
Speaker 1: low health every two and a half seconds. I believe
Speaker 1: I might be getting the math wrong, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just the fine art of figuring out when to start
Speaker 1: channeling that drained soul because they don't take the damage
Speaker 1: straight away. It's going to be two and a half
Speaker 1: seconds into the channel when it starts to go bonkers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, I'm just sort of fucking spewing shit
Speaker 1: off the top of my head here, but I want
Speaker 1: to throw it to an old countdown favorite. If you
Speaker 1: can turn your mic on, if you're okay with that,
Speaker 1: if you're able to talk rue hello, maybe she can't talk.
Speaker 1: Maybe she has to stay muted. Now, look, I'll tell
Speaker 1: the story while you're figuring that out, Rue, if you
Speaker 1: are able to talk. About two hours ago, we had
Speaker 1: Rue jump in voice chat when she saw that we
Speaker 1: were doing the podcast, and she's like, fucking good, ay boys,
Speaker 1: here you going, Oh, here we go. He's a fucking
Speaker 1: blast from the past. How are you? And she had
Speaker 1: no idea about Epoch whatsoever, and she's like, I just
Speaker 1: saw you guys are doing a podcast, so I thought
Speaker 1: i'd come hang and I'm like, do you know what
Speaker 1: we're talking about? And she goes no. And I said
Speaker 1: have you heard nothing of this new server? And she
Speaker 1: goes no. And I said, oh my god, prepare to
Speaker 1: fucking have your socks blown off, and told her all
Speaker 1: about it, and she was just getting more and more
Speaker 1: excited the more details we gave her. And she's downloaded it.
Speaker 1: She's just asked me what server we're on, and the
Speaker 1: fucking madness will begin. She's still on mute, though, so
Speaker 1: she might not be able to talk. But I'm seeing
Speaker 1: more and more OG countdown people joined the guild. We
Speaker 1: just had Aggressive join a few days ago. Dark Brewer
Speaker 1: jumped in at one point. So it's really really good
Speaker 1: to see that the og fucking crew doing it. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike is obviously their balls of steel doing the thing
Speaker 1: as well. So it's wonderful to see Voodoo. Hello, mate,
Speaker 1: how are you good? I'll turn you up a little
Speaker 1: bit now, mate, you missed us kangaroo courting yours earlier.
Speaker 17: Just made it's all good, thank you.
Speaker 15: Ali Hideous would have me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had your back, he said. Look, he fucking
Speaker 1: ran me through the dungeons, so he's a good egg
Speaker 1: in my eyes. And I thought that was a fair
Speaker 1: enough submission. May we're off to the rugby in a
Speaker 1: few hours. You're looking forward to that?
Speaker 3: Oh mate?
Speaker 4: A few beers would go down well today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been about a year since you last saw
Speaker 1: your What I'm saying is your beloved Reds in action.
Speaker 1: So that'll be a bit of fun Red's Brumbies.
Speaker 15: Let's see if we can get up again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get a fucking win in there. It's anyway
Speaker 1: that'll get Hunk in the action and share some stories. Now, boys,
Speaker 1: look where else can we take this? Ubi trying to
Speaker 1: think of anything we need to talk about. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll start to wind it down. We've gone for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. We don't need to go all day.
Speaker 15: Oh not sure, how don't I? I just I could
Speaker 15: just ramble about fucking.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the rambling. This is the rambling latte
Speaker 1: stage of the pod. Dude, guys, you speak now forever,
Speaker 1: holdy silence. You don't need to be fucking on point. Now,
Speaker 1: let's loosen our belts and let the gut out. Who's
Speaker 1: got things to say about a I.
Speaker 3: Just want to say how insane major is what they're
Speaker 3: slow is. It's really dependous just because they've added a
Speaker 3: lot of like high level elites requests. Remember, so, like
Speaker 3: the molten core Atunant, you have got to kill a
Speaker 3: couple of sixty one elites out in the world now
Speaker 3: before you do what was the previous attunement portion. And
Speaker 3: I'm there trying to solo out of fifty six when
Speaker 3: I'm a jackass and a mage just comes trying to
Speaker 3: kite it because that's the only way I could possibly
Speaker 3: do it. And the mage just comes and hits slow
Speaker 3: one time, and suddenly what was a suicidal act of
Speaker 3: attempting to kite it just became instantly the easiest thing.
Speaker 15: Ever, Oh slow is crazy and like no cool downs
Speaker 15: are like you don't even have to time it or anything,
Speaker 15: and you just keep reapplying it, like I soloed the and.
Speaker 3: If you get the results, you just do it again.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I sold an after every other elite so far
Speaker 15: is just a piece of piss because you can just
Speaker 15: cuite them around forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've felt I felt that way with
Speaker 1: fear as well, just like being able to endlessly apply fear.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the like, this class is broken? That's right.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the new items now. Okay,
Speaker 1: we keep saying no spoilers, but like it's it's it
Speaker 1: is hard at a certain point to sort of not
Speaker 1: talk about this shit and not get a little bit spoilery.
Speaker 1: But like some of the higher level items are starting
Speaker 1: to creep through, and you know, we're linking stuff in
Speaker 1: guilt Chat that we're saying, have you guys seen anything
Speaker 1: that's fucking tickled your people in the old item department.
Speaker 3: I was really tickled by that new trinket I just
Speaker 3: linked you earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trinket from a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because it's so hard to get spell power
Speaker 3: on a trinket let alone pre sixty, so it's not
Speaker 3: like insane but just nine spell power and one spell
Speaker 3: hit on a trinket slot. It's a relatively easy question,
Speaker 3: and Angora is music to my Earth.
Speaker 15: At least mine isn't so much an item, it's just
Speaker 15: a I've just had my memory refreshed. I really wanted
Speaker 15: to get the Portal to Stone art that way we
Speaker 15: could get to b RM quicker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me and.
Speaker 15: Voodoo formed up a fuck. I forget what dungeon we
Speaker 15: had to do for it. But we've gone and we've
Speaker 15: gotten my Portal Stone art. But I don't know if
Speaker 15: the game's broken or it's design intention, but I didn't
Speaker 15: get Portal Stone. I've got Portal Theramore, and I can
Speaker 15: take it and I can just send myself into the
Speaker 15: middle of an Alliance town in fucking dust swallow and
Speaker 15: like I've used it once and I can get out
Speaker 15: of the town and survive. But I just don't know
Speaker 15: if this is a barg or was this a part
Speaker 15: of their cross faction planning, because I don't like it's
Speaker 15: not that I got given both. I don't have Stone
Speaker 15: art and I want Portal Stone art so I could
Speaker 15: go to Theramore. And then I also learned that at
Speaker 15: the end of a dungeon, alliance can take my portal
Speaker 15: to Orc. So there was a night Elf hunter running
Speaker 15: around Org last night after doing Scollo and had the
Speaker 15: heart out because I don't know they they refuse to
Speaker 15: take my Theeramore portal instead.
Speaker 3: You can have some fun with that, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, first guild, first guild grade. I'm going to send
Speaker 15: all the Horde to Theerramore instead.
Speaker 1: Very good. Perfect anyone else on anything funny or that
Speaker 1: they want to talk about, this is the same it
Speaker 1: off your chest about epoch section.
Speaker 12: I will say Smite priests are legit and we are
Speaker 12: fucking people up.
Speaker 1: Oh so you finally found your stride.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, weird.
Speaker 3: I'm pumping.
Speaker 12: I am one of the top dps almost in every
Speaker 12: group I am in. It is just so what.
Speaker 1: What level would you say it kicks in.
Speaker 12: I'd probably say low mid forties when you start really
Speaker 12: feeling it and it's just going up from there.
Speaker 17: I dropped one spec and it was good, Like I
Speaker 17: just got my second point in Search of Light at
Speaker 17: thirty seven thirty six.
Speaker 1: So didn't you guys say Surge of Light was broken.
Speaker 12: It's broken for the healing components, not for the free
Speaker 12: smite you'll get, but if you want to use it
Speaker 12: to get a free flash Heel instant flash Heel, it's
Speaker 12: broken for that.
Speaker 1: I just want to say on the broken portion. You know,
Speaker 1: we just discussed obviously Surge of Light there. I had
Speaker 1: a big about the very very buggy encounter that is
Speaker 1: Ambassador flame Lash. You know, I said, it's a shame
Speaker 1: it's bugged, because I really think this is actually going
Speaker 1: to be a phenomenal encounter, you know, again throwing it
Speaker 1: to the love of my life, the creature that is
Speaker 1: the creature of habit that is the YouTube commenter. A
Speaker 1: lot of YouTube comments want to keep sort of it.
Speaker 1: And again, like I say, it's so hard to engage
Speaker 1: properly with YouTube commenters about private server videos because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of weirdness with private server tribalism, and like
Speaker 1: it's just so easy for people that are trying to
Speaker 1: drum up business for Turtle Wow to just you know,
Speaker 1: it's their job just to go off and slander anything
Speaker 1: in the comments that's about another private server and vice versa.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very easy and simple for an Epoch
Speaker 1: admin to jump on any Turtle Wow video and go
Speaker 1: a fuck diserver, go play Epoch and every video I'm
Speaker 1: putting up on YouTube, like you identify them straight away
Speaker 1: of someone just apropos of nothing, just completely irrelevant comment.
Speaker 1: You'll just see the like go play Turtle Wow and
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, settle down, fucking Turtle Wow staff.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to sort of, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: disseminate the good faith from the bad faith sort of points.
Speaker 1: But you do see it coming up a lot about
Speaker 1: the bugginess of Epoch and like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: fucking trash server, so many bugs, imagine playing it, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and like people are calling me out on
Speaker 1: it for like speaking positively about this server when it's
Speaker 1: so bug riddled, and I'm like, you fucking can't ston't
Speaker 1: listen to the show. We are saying a multiple junctures.
Speaker 1: I agree, this is absolutely a bug riddled you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to bugs, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: There's a fuck load of bugs on this server. But
Speaker 1: I'm still having fun and enjoying it despite the bugs.
Speaker 1: And that upsets a lot of gamers because there is
Speaker 1: a class of gamer, And again we go lower cast,
Speaker 1: lower class sorry, lowercase G, upper case a lowercase M
Speaker 1: kind of gamer who just they encounter one bug and
Speaker 1: they throw the game in the trash and go, fucking
Speaker 1: imagine releasing this piece of shit. Oh my god, your
Speaker 1: game's got a bug. I'm a fucking elite gamer. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm just not that guy. I'm not that
Speaker 1: kind of fucking person like, and people want to throw
Speaker 1: me under the bus and be like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: some of us just fucking expect quality from our games,
Speaker 1: don't you. Some of us are just fucking a bit
Speaker 1: more discerning, and then you know, we expect fucking a
Speaker 1: better product when we play games. We're not a fucking
Speaker 1: low IQ like U smooth brain, He'll just play anything
Speaker 1: that's fucking fed to them. Made this server's fun. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. Like the whole flame lash thing again,
Speaker 1: was it frustrating? Sure for half a second, But we
Speaker 1: tried it a couple of times, and then we just
Speaker 1: moved on and did something else, and we went, oh,
Speaker 1: when that gets fixed, that'll be really good. Like I
Speaker 1: just I don't. It's still not enough to turn me
Speaker 1: off this server. I agree with you, there's bugs everywhere,
Speaker 1: but this server is the greatest lipmus test out there
Speaker 1: for do you value fun or you know, bug free content?
Speaker 1: Because like, I don't. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: Who knows what I'm trying to say here? I don't
Speaker 1: even know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: Well, let's not forget that it's free.
Speaker 15: You don't pay anything for.
Speaker 4: What are you willing to deal with a new game?
Speaker 4: Do you want to deal.
Speaker 1: With keep going yack? Yea yack? Whoa actual axl yack?
Speaker 1: Then axl?
Speaker 4: What are you willing to deal with? Right?
Speaker 16: Like, go to Turtle Out and they have a bunch
Speaker 16: of new content and that's cool, But do you want
Speaker 16: to play on a one point one two server where
Speaker 16: everything looks like trash? Or do you want to play
Speaker 16: on server that Okay, maybe it doesn't have as much
Speaker 16: new content, but there's a little bit more going on
Speaker 16: in depth with each of the classes, and it looks
Speaker 16: a lot better and feels a lot better.
Speaker 1: I And again, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 16: Was just gonna say I'm more willing to deal with
Speaker 16: a few bugged quests and have my character look better
Speaker 16: and feel better than I am to go play on
Speaker 16: the server where I'm like squinting to look at the graphics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where people go a few bugged quests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck off, idiot, there's fucking hundreds of bug quests. And
Speaker 1: I still come back to like what I said last week,
Speaker 1: where I was like, guys, like, don't buy into the hyperbole. Yes,
Speaker 1: when you add them all up, there is probably a
Speaker 1: good list of bugged quests, but like it's literally like
Speaker 1: two per zone. I don't give a fuck. And I'll
Speaker 1: also to say that like I would love to in
Speaker 1: a world that we can never sort of create, I
Speaker 1: would love to have the hypothetical and not this is
Speaker 1: not a tribalism comment more just like I would be
Speaker 1: interested the Tea Wow at launch versus Epoch at launch
Speaker 1: side bicycling. If te Wow hypothetically launched in its initial
Speaker 1: state right now and sized up against Epoch right now,
Speaker 1: that that's a comparison I would love to see. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see it. Axel, Sorry, you're.
Speaker 3: Going to say something I was, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: building on my yah saying about what are you willing
Speaker 3: to tolerate? And it's like I was willing to spend
Speaker 3: fifteen dollars a month and tolerate a certain number of
Speaker 3: bugs already bugs that would sit there for months and
Speaker 3: months on end. Yeah, even though they were known, and
Speaker 3: so considering the things have at least been getting fixed,
Speaker 3: sometimes they're also getting broken again or broken a newly broken.
Speaker 3: But you know, it is fun. I agree with that part,
Speaker 3: and just I guess, I guess my expectations are pretty low.
Speaker 3: So it's more than exceeding that I'm.
Speaker 12: Cutting them some pretty big slack because I've talked to
Speaker 12: a bunch of people who are playing the beta and
Speaker 12: they were saying all this shit was pretty much fixed,
Speaker 12: like there was these things were not broken during the beta,
Speaker 12: and sounds like because of the transfer to the Linux
Speaker 12: back end and then transferring to Extension the Ascension back
Speaker 12: end as well, that it just broke a lot of
Speaker 12: stuff that they're now fixing. So I'm being much more
Speaker 12: judicial in my opinion about it. Sometimes when I get like, oh,
Speaker 12: not a broken quest, I'm like, well, it probably was
Speaker 12: actually working, and now they're having to go back and
Speaker 12: fix shit and get it get it right with the
Speaker 12: right systems. So I am being a little bit more
Speaker 12: cautious than just saying, well, another fucking quest you know,
Speaker 12: three more in the zone not working, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean just to to push you a little
Speaker 1: bit as well on that one vestige. If I can
Speaker 1: say this as lovingly as I can. You know, I
Speaker 1: know you you somewhat dispute the amount of skepticism or
Speaker 1: pessimism that we might assign to you as you've discussed
Speaker 1: this server over the last few weeks. But like you are,
Speaker 1: you do. I don't know if holding it to a
Speaker 1: high bar is because you've obviously just said that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily necessarily the case, but like you are, someone who
Speaker 1: might be quicker to pounce on this server for a
Speaker 1: grand fuck up, like a big fuck up. But like
Speaker 1: if you've if you've gone this far, vestige, you know,
Speaker 1: you weren't necessarily sold on this server from the outset,
Speaker 1: and you were you were sort of, you know, very
Speaker 1: dealing with the server with a lot of trepidation. If
Speaker 1: you've come this far and you're having the fun you've had,
Speaker 1: I think you're still going. I think that's a good
Speaker 1: sign for the server.
Speaker 12: Well, my main critique in the beginning was more like
Speaker 12: if you fucked something up that was foreseeable or something
Speaker 12: that I said that you could have prevented, then that
Speaker 12: is much more on you and the bad look. But
Speaker 12: when it's something that is not foreseeable, like, hey, you
Speaker 12: guys have gone through all this process of getting the
Speaker 12: stuff up and running, and we said we want to
Speaker 12: play it. We don't want to sit for two months,
Speaker 12: so we know it's going to be on a buggy state.
Speaker 12: So therefore that is what we're going to get. I'm
Speaker 12: a lot more open to saying, hey, okay, this is
Speaker 12: kind of the content we're going to get, either accepted
Speaker 12: or wait two months. You know, that's on me at
Speaker 12: that point to make that decision. But the content we
Speaker 12: have gotten I've been very pleased with overall. I wish
Speaker 12: some things were fixed. I wish some things were better.
Speaker 12: I wish things were getting fixed a little faster that
Speaker 12: were important to me. You know, my you know, surge
Speaker 12: of light for healing isn't working properly after two three weeks,
Speaker 12: and I'm like, I really wish that was working. But
Speaker 12: at the same time, is it is it taking away
Speaker 12: my full experience of what I'm having right now. Not
Speaker 12: in the least. I'm not having things where I'm falling
Speaker 12: through the world I'm not having things where I can't
Speaker 12: get on the flight point or something like that, or
Speaker 12: if I was a warrior charging and you just fall
Speaker 12: through the world again or something like that. All the
Speaker 12: bugs have been very minor, so overall, I've still had
Speaker 12: a great experience with it.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: And that's what fucking rational people say, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: not the game.
Speaker 12: I think I am very fair. Of course, in my opinion,
Speaker 12: I'm always fair, but I think that I'm very fair
Speaker 12: in my criticism because I will criticize the things that
Speaker 12: I feel are criticized that should be done right or
Speaker 12: for fucked up, and I will praise the things I
Speaker 12: think have been done very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: just think if you're if you're a private server consumer
Speaker 1: and you want to write this server off for its bugs,
Speaker 1: and you're saying, like seriously around the place, you're saying
Speaker 1: that people don't play EPOK, it's a buggy mess, it's
Speaker 1: a fucking piece of shit. The server's on fire and
Speaker 1: doesn't work. You're just kind of a bad faith actor
Speaker 1: at this point, Like you're not a rational person. In
Speaker 1: my personal opinion.
Speaker 15: I was going to call it dramatic earlier. In my mind,
Speaker 15: when I see people that are like that venomous or
Speaker 15: can get that tilted that easily, I just picture them
Speaker 15: to be the kind of person that like got cut
Speaker 15: off in traffic and then they're a cunt to everyone
Speaker 15: all day at work because of that one inconvenience. That's
Speaker 15: that's what I attribute to them as, just like, how
Speaker 15: did you let this get to you that bad? Like
Speaker 15: the bugs aren't even that horrible. I genuinely aren't really
Speaker 15: noticing any anymore. Anyway. Sometimes a mob might do something
Speaker 15: weird in the dungeon, and I'm like, Eh, that could
Speaker 15: be a bug, but it's not. Like it's not like
Speaker 15: the mob glitched through the floor, became immune and just
Speaker 15: farmed us to death and we couldn't finish the fucking dungeon.
Speaker 15: That would be a bug. That would be fucking annoying.
Speaker 1: And then that made you want to rage Quentin, delete
Speaker 1: your account and tell everyone never to play this shitty game.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and even then I probably still wouldn't be that bad,
Speaker 15: But like, that would be an annoying bug. The mob
Speaker 15: pathing funny around a table is not like a oh,
Speaker 15: this is a fucking load of coated garbage, like, I
Speaker 15: don't know, there's this Some people seem to get so
Speaker 15: fucking butt hurt about stuff like that when it's just
Speaker 15: a free game. Things could be worse.
Speaker 1: Can I do a quick check in with you UBI
Speaker 1: on your updated week by week, you know, finger on
Speaker 1: the pulse of your attitude towards the cross faction thing,
Speaker 1: because that's what I got well into it with this
Speaker 1: one guy in the comments again, who was just in
Speaker 1: sense that I enjoyed the cross faction play on this
Speaker 1: server and begged Blizzard not to listen to me, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I fucking Blizzard, do not listen to this stupid can't
Speaker 1: cross faction never belongs on any World of Warcraft server?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a fucking idiot. And then, and
Speaker 1: what I'll say is again, I have to throw this
Speaker 1: out there, and I fucking mean it, like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't just agree with me just because Josh likes cross
Speaker 1: faction doesn't mean you guys have to agree with cross faction.
Speaker 1: Fucking We've got three six night, four, twelve, sixteen, nineteen
Speaker 1: people here on this call, none of whom I've invited
Speaker 1: to be here outside of Ubiquitous, who I just texted
Speaker 1: him this morning and said, Connor, you awake, get on
Speaker 1: the podcast. No one has been asked to be here,
Speaker 1: no one has been told what to say. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I generally surround myself with people who
Speaker 1: are afraid to say anything other than what I think.
Speaker 1: I think the whole point of the show. And I've
Speaker 1: argued with some of my fucking regular contributors on the show.
Speaker 1: You Be and I have absolutely gone at it over
Speaker 1: a point in the past. DC Green and I have
Speaker 1: regularly gone at it on the past. Arcos and I
Speaker 1: have fucking gone at it. These aren't yes men, these
Speaker 1: are my mates. We just happen to agree, usually because
Speaker 1: I don't know, because we fucking fall to the same conclusions.
Speaker 1: But you Be, with all that said, you were very
Speaker 1: anti cross faction. You've sounded as time goes by like
Speaker 1: you've been warming up to the concept. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I suggest that, hey, this is something Blizzard should
Speaker 1: really look at, maybe particularly in regards to a PvE
Speaker 1: realm in whatever they're cooking in the future, do you
Speaker 1: still do stomach? Does your stomach do backflips at that suggestion?
Speaker 15: I still don't like it. If I had my server
Speaker 15: that had ten k pop because I'm a fan of
Speaker 15: bigger servers. Anyway, if I was on a ten k
Speaker 15: server with an active player base, I don't think it
Speaker 15: would be needed. I feel like on here it is
Speaker 15: because you can't be warped. There's a big difference between
Speaker 15: this server having ten k players and it's a global
Speaker 15: server and a single NA server having ten k players
Speaker 15: and you all play around the same clock and it's
Speaker 15: very you know, your peak is such a higher peak
Speaker 15: than what the peaks are on here. I still wouldn't
Speaker 15: go for it. I mean, but on a PvE realm,
Speaker 15: I don't really care. Like I feel as if anything
Speaker 15: on a PV realm you've opted out of the factions
Speaker 15: being at war essentially, so then who really cares? But
Speaker 15: I think that that's what they've done here anyway, Like
Speaker 15: the PvP server isn't cross faction, which is fine, So
Speaker 15: if I ever played on a PvE server, I wouldn't
Speaker 15: care about it as much. But I still stand on
Speaker 15: the ground that like I like it. It's it's been
Speaker 15: a bit jarring where we've done runs and you know,
Speaker 15: we've just helped each other clear this dungeon and the
Speaker 15: guy was taking the piss, but the night off rogue
Speaker 15: left group and then started to stab Voodoo in the
Speaker 15: butt as a rogue before his Earth timer or Graveyard
Speaker 15: timer kicked off. And I don't know, to me, that
Speaker 15: is just a bit it's a bit strange. But then
Speaker 15: I guess someone could just try and spin the storyline
Speaker 15: of like, oh, well, we're we're friends because we've got
Speaker 15: a common enemy, which was Scholarmance, but then once it's done,
Speaker 15: we're back to not being friends anymore. I just find
Speaker 15: that all a bit jarring for the I guess the
Speaker 15: story or the immersion of it.
Speaker 1: I I like stories like that because I'm like, we
Speaker 1: keep prodding game designers to come up with ways to
Speaker 1: allow people to take the bull by the horns and
Speaker 1: create social engagement, and like that does exactly that that.
Speaker 1: I ask someone to choose your own adventure. Do you
Speaker 1: want to be a bit of a villain now? Do
Speaker 1: you want to shank the guy in the back that
Speaker 1: you just ran a dungeon with? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be that guy? And some people are opting yes, I
Speaker 1: do want to fuck it, Like for a game that
Speaker 1: so many people want to kind of be a little
Speaker 1: bit of a jerk and fuck around with to give
Speaker 1: them an extra opportunity to do that. I don't see
Speaker 1: the drama with I think it's funny. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: I just I just think people will often tap the
Speaker 1: sign that you just tapp DOV and say the only
Speaker 1: reason Epoch is doing it was out of necessity. They
Speaker 1: didn't think they were going to have anyone playing. Private
Speaker 1: servers have to do it because their populations tank and
Speaker 1: you need to have both factions able to play together.
Speaker 1: And I understand that that's why it's there, but it's
Speaker 1: inadvertently created a really great experiment with a larger population
Speaker 1: server that does have it. Yes, Epoch was supposed to
Speaker 1: have four hundred people playing it that have to have
Speaker 1: cross faction enabled in order to do any content. But
Speaker 1: by dumb good luck, we're now on a fucking you know,
Speaker 1: ten fifteen thousand strong server that does have a have
Speaker 1: it enabled, and we get to we are running the
Speaker 1: live beta test for does cross faction work. Let's say
Speaker 1: let's say just on a PvE server. Leave the PvP
Speaker 1: server like you PvP guys that need your immersion, Sure,
Speaker 1: go off, we won't touch your server. But for PvE
Speaker 1: we're now getting the beta test for whether or not
Speaker 1: this shit works, and in my opinion, it takes nothing
Speaker 1: away from the game and only adds. I continue to
Speaker 1: run into person after person singing the praises of being
Speaker 1: able to party with anyone they see, and they're not
Speaker 1: adding the caveat that. Oh thank god I could group
Speaker 1: up with this hardy. Otherwise I never would have been
Speaker 1: able to get this quest done because of the low population.
Speaker 1: No population's good on Epoch, It's great, but people are
Speaker 1: still really enjoying the game, the access that the game
Speaker 1: is giving them to get shit done. And I think
Speaker 1: that the one complaint, or you know, the two complaints
Speaker 1: really are I feel awkward having a member of the
Speaker 1: opposite faction standing next to me in a dungeon, and
Speaker 1: number two, like you just said, ubiquitous. I don't like
Speaker 1: the jankiness of us being able to fight each other
Speaker 1: as soon as we drop group. I just think that
Speaker 1: they're so minor, Like your complaints are my benefits?
Speaker 15: Yeah, no, I think you. I actually believe if Blizzard
Speaker 15: did this it would shock the PvP Andy's at how
Speaker 15: overwhelmingly popular your stance would be with the playerbase. Because
Speaker 15: I can't really find a fault in it in terms
Speaker 15: of the meta, Like every the only reason why the
Speaker 15: good guilds are on PvP servers is just because, like
Speaker 15: hive mind mentality, it's just where we've always gone and
Speaker 15: where we've played. As soon as you enable this, but
Speaker 15: only on PV realms, every single good guild will always
Speaker 15: play on that server because it allows you to have
Speaker 15: all the best races.
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm so glad.
Speaker 15: You play PvP servers except for the guy that wants
Speaker 15: to gang everyone that he finds on the road, et cetera.
Speaker 15: It would be a huge cultural shift for server struck
Speaker 15: like balance and where people go to play. And I'm
Speaker 15: I mean, I'm still I just say this, but if
Speaker 15: that unfolded, I would play on the cross faction PV
Speaker 15: realm because it would be like saying I like roller coasters,
Speaker 15: but I'm not going to Disney World because they don't
Speaker 15: have a roller coaster. The rest of the theme park
Speaker 15: is still good. I'm gonna go, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 15: just because it's missing this one facet that I personally
Speaker 15: would have preferred, doesn't warrant the whole service sucking. And
Speaker 15: I'm good at, you know, taking the positives I can
Speaker 15: go like it would be convenient. It would be super
Speaker 15: convenient to just like run this guild as we are
Speaker 15: and not have to message people. Nah, sorry, you rolled
Speaker 15: the wrong side. We can't play with you. I just
Speaker 15: take the silver linings as they come. I'm just I
Speaker 15: know that I would prefer It's like a selfish choice.
Speaker 15: I would rather a PvP server with all its warts,
Speaker 15: because I like the friction and I like the Horde
Speaker 15: versus alliance. And then I say that if Classic Plus
Speaker 15: rolls out with this exact service structure, I would probably
Speaker 15: play the PvE cross faction realm.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said it, and I'm almost angry
Speaker 1: at you because I was going there next, but you've
Speaker 1: said it more succinctly than me. But I fucking completely
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I want to hear from you
Speaker 1: other guys, whether or not you think you be and
Speaker 1: I are on the money here, and obviously it's impossible
Speaker 1: to predict sort of, but I want to know whether
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree. I think that if Blizzard did this,
Speaker 1: PvE so would become infinitely more popular.
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, they might as well just do what they've
Speaker 17: done in the modern game and just delete PvP servers,
Speaker 17: create a war mode and move on from that. Yeah,
Speaker 17: I think the cross faction thing.
Speaker 1: Is I don't think they'd have the balls to do that.
Speaker 17: No, I don't think they would, but like if they
Speaker 17: were to cross faction, then they might as well because
Speaker 17: it would I.
Speaker 3: Don't think they need to delete that option. But I
Speaker 3: definitely agree that by far the best part of this
Speaker 3: server in my opinion, has been the cross faction nature. Specifically,
Speaker 3: like from the guild standpoint, how many people come into
Speaker 3: the discord and are like, what server are we on?
Speaker 3: And then what faction are we on? Then we're just like,
Speaker 3: we're on the PV server. Take your pick, play what
Speaker 3: you want. You know, you don't have to be limited
Speaker 3: in your selection.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair? Can I just jump in axle?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair for me to say if
Speaker 1: I put this to you and again we talk about
Speaker 1: shit that it's impossible to say which way have gone,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it anyway because we're fuck with its.
Speaker 1: If this server had let's say a poll released to
Speaker 1: all the epop Let's say a pole is sent out
Speaker 1: to the fifteen thousand people playing on Kazan right now
Speaker 1: before Kazan is launched, and it has one question on
Speaker 1: it and it says, do you want this realm to
Speaker 1: be cross faction or not? Do you think the overwhelming
Speaker 1: result to that pole would have been no? Is this
Speaker 1: before we've experienced before, we've experienced it.
Speaker 3: Before we experience it. I don't think it's overwhelming, but
Speaker 3: I think it's probably majority would have said now.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. I think the majority would have
Speaker 1: said no because that's just what they've always known and
Speaker 1: what they go with. More people than not do the
Speaker 1: UBI thing of like cross faction. But then we are, fucking,
Speaker 1: like I said, we're playing the beta of it right now,
Speaker 1: we're experiencing it, and we go, oh, my mind is changed.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. Sorry.
Speaker 3: I also think I also think most people would really
Speaker 3: prefer to play on PV servers. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: the numbers always show that most people tend to play
Speaker 3: on PvP, but I really feel like that's primarily driven
Speaker 3: by film O.
Speaker 1: Don't don't get me started. A want that's popular, don't
Speaker 1: get me started, A hypertoxic take. I've got axl on.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to like everyone who raises this.
Speaker 1: If you're like, if I say to you, what do
Speaker 1: you think about the PvE server and Classic plus being
Speaker 1: cross faction and you go, no, absolutely not not in
Speaker 1: my world of warcraft. I will get very toxic if
Speaker 1: it then gets to a conversation about what server do
Speaker 1: you play on. I play on a PvP server and
Speaker 1: it's a ninety nine to one server, and like the
Speaker 1: way that we see what the degradation of PvP servers
Speaker 1: and what the classic player base really wants to do,
Speaker 1: which is just play the game without any fucking speed
Speaker 1: bumps and to be on the ninety nine to one server,
Speaker 1: and if they then want to rally against cross faction, like,
Speaker 1: do you not see how those two stances don't compute.
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean for me, my PvP server turning into
Speaker 3: the ninety ninety one server in twenty eighteen is what
Speaker 3: totally changed me into a PV player.
Speaker 17: I don't like, I'll never be that guy that changes
Speaker 17: to a PV player. I can say that with conviction.
Speaker 17: The only reason why I'm playing on this server is
Speaker 17: because there was a war mode. I wouldn't have even
Speaker 17: tried Epoch if there wasn't. It's not a great system,
Speaker 17: but it's a system. Nonetheless, can I say enough to
Speaker 17: get me over that?
Speaker 1: Marcus? Can I sorry? Can I just grab you by
Speaker 1: that and ask about your experiences, because like I turned
Speaker 1: warm mode off early and we had a bit of
Speaker 1: fun with with giving me a bit of stick for that.
Speaker 1: But like I through the leveling process, I am tripping
Speaker 1: over a squillion people that I mouse over and be like,
Speaker 1: I could open up on this guy if I wanted to, Like,
Speaker 1: there is PvP for me everywhere if I want it,
Speaker 1: But obviously I've been staying away this time. Have you
Speaker 1: been engaging with then still found all your stinks that
Speaker 1: you want to find?
Speaker 17: Like I haven't been actively seeking world PvP as much.
Speaker 17: I've started a couple of fights, but the fights that
Speaker 17: the people who are left with war mode on because like,
Speaker 17: let's remember that it's a cast time to flag yourself
Speaker 17: at PvP in the open world if you don't have
Speaker 17: warmode on. So I've had people try and then realize
Speaker 17: that they have to cast it and then just not
Speaker 17: want to do it because they don't get the jump
Speaker 17: with me. But the people who are left here at
Speaker 17: the moment after how long is it's been out for
Speaker 17: like five weeks? Or something, mostly decent people. I don't
Speaker 17: see gang squads going around so often. I've seen a few,
Speaker 17: like war crimes get committed, but people like will fight
Speaker 17: and then I'll get a message of good duel or whatever,
Speaker 17: or I'll send a message of good duel and then
Speaker 17: we might chat about it for five minutes and then
Speaker 17: just move on. There's no camp. People are just wanting
Speaker 17: to get their quest done or whatever. It's not very
Speaker 17: toxic at all.
Speaker 1: To be fair, two weeks ago, I was on the
Speaker 1: show saying I've turned war mode off. I'm not in
Speaker 1: the fucking mood. I'm not doing this because I did
Speaker 1: come across a gang squad. But what I'll add to
Speaker 1: that story is that was like two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on, Marcus, because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a single gang squad since I turned warmde off, and
Speaker 1: I don't have regrets. Don't get me wrong, but like
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is, it's just been interesting to
Speaker 1: me because everyone gives, you know, war mode shit, everyone
Speaker 1: gives pvee REALM shit. But I'm like, I am a
Speaker 1: PvP player. I'm a relatively bloodthirsty PvP player, but I've
Speaker 1: decided to take a bit of a holiday. But I
Speaker 1: look throwing out only my experiences. I shit you not,
Speaker 1: with no hyperbole. Nine out of ten members of the
Speaker 1: opposite faction that I come across in my questing is attackable,
Speaker 1: like and I every time I mouse over every single
Speaker 1: one of them because I'm a psychopath, And I go, Oh,
Speaker 1: if I wanted to, I could. If I wanted to,
Speaker 1: I could, but I ultimately decide not to. But what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, even though I am on the
Speaker 1: PvE realm, with this war mode introduction, I could have
Speaker 1: happily had the exact same experience leveling I would have
Speaker 1: had on a PvP realm.
Speaker 17: Yeah, more or less. That's like I'm saying, I do
Speaker 17: see a lot of people. Sometimes we fight, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 17: It's like similar to a PvP realm. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 17: I'll just go on the record here now, and I
Speaker 17: hope you hold me to this, Josh, But I'm going
Speaker 17: to be an advocate for the removal of the PvP
Speaker 17: server and the addition of a war mode for Classic Class.
Speaker 1: There you go, it's one. It's won you over. Wow.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it's it's probably just gonna be better
Speaker 17: for participation overall, like just in the game. So and
Speaker 17: you're not really gonna like there's a chance that as
Speaker 17: long as it's done right, it's not necessarily done right
Speaker 17: in the modern game.
Speaker 1: Well, can I give you my theory, Marcus on why
Speaker 1: I think people Okay, here's my theory on what the
Speaker 1: war mode option robs the server of and the kind
Speaker 1: of people that will be upset by it. Here's what
Speaker 1: is not happening on Project Epoch on the PvE server.
Speaker 1: And this is going to depend you know, you'll feel
Speaker 1: differently about this depending on how you specifically define PvP,
Speaker 1: because we've talked about this on the show in previous
Speaker 1: editions on I seemed and you and I seem to
Speaker 1: have very different definitions of PvP to other players' markets. Now,
Speaker 1: what you won't find on Epoch on Kazan is large
Speaker 1: scale PvP combat. You will not see group on group action.
Speaker 1: You will not see raid on raid action. You don't
Speaker 1: see the Taro mill, these south Shore type fights. You
Speaker 1: won't see, you know, anything outside of a one on one,
Speaker 1: a two v one or a three v one or
Speaker 1: three v two. You just won't see large groups going
Speaker 1: at it. Most I've come to learn. If I've come
Speaker 1: to learn anything over the years with WOW players, it's this,
Speaker 1: most of you think of a PvP MMO as PvP
Speaker 1: equals group combat, not one on ones. You guys genuinely
Speaker 1: think any one on one, even in good faith, me
Speaker 1: walking by you on the road, both of us at
Speaker 1: one hundred health, I start a fight with you, you
Speaker 1: generally term that as ganking, not PvP. I think that's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: because that's how I define PvP in this game. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I play PvP servers because I relish the one v
Speaker 1: one challenge of MEVU. Let's fucking do this where about
Speaker 1: the same level. I want to see who fucking gets
Speaker 1: the win here. That's what I've been all about for years,
Speaker 1: and I've walked away from PvP as I've learnt that
Speaker 1: that's not how the vast majority of the players view it.
Speaker 1: They're like, I've got no interest in the one v one.
Speaker 1: I will only PvP when I'm in a group, when
Speaker 1: I can sort of hide, when I can sort of
Speaker 1: not get attacked, when I cannot be the focus, when
Speaker 1: I can get the win if I am as shorter
Speaker 1: victory and it's a group that's the kind of PvP
Speaker 1: I want in my MMO. I want to gang up.
Speaker 1: But when you're a solo or in smaller groups, that's
Speaker 1: not the PvP that you like, and you want no
Speaker 1: part of it in your MMO because then you could
Speaker 1: lose and that would show the world the size of
Speaker 1: your penis, and you don't like that because you're probably
Speaker 1: actually not very good at PvP. So if anything, warmode
Speaker 1: warm mode boils down this server to exactly the kind
Speaker 1: of PvP that you and I fucking love my Like
Speaker 1: I said, the amount of times I've been like, oh mate,
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of nowhere in Tanners and I've
Speaker 1: just spotted this bloke that I could attack if I want,
Speaker 1: and this would be a really fucking fun fight, fun
Speaker 1: fight right now, but I'm chilling. I don't do it.
Speaker 1: I've gotten into the PvE mode. But if I was
Speaker 1: still bloodthirsty, Josh, I'd be having a fucking whale of
Speaker 1: a time right now. But that good time is someone
Speaker 1: else's very bad time. And you know you know where
Speaker 1: I'm going with this, Marcus, what say you, Ubie? Sorry
Speaker 1: you were going to say something.
Speaker 15: Go I've been lost by your rant, But I was
Speaker 15: going to mention that I've really not like I have
Speaker 15: had war mode on the whole time and nothing really
Speaker 15: seems to happen. I've got ganked once during this pod
Speaker 15: because it was a warrior in a ferral, you know,
Speaker 15: the old TV one.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 15: Probably they're only ganked this week because they found they
Speaker 15: finally found someone they could gang up on.
Speaker 1: Can I I tell you just to add to that. Now, Look,
Speaker 1: you can all laugh at me because my slash plate
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, and we'll have a laugh when I'm doing
Speaker 1: sixty and see what the final figure is. But I'm
Speaker 1: now coming up on nine days Slash played NIME level.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm about to doing fifty five. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking out of control. I in that two hundred hour
Speaker 1: so yet what fucking two hundred odd hour journey? I shit,
Speaker 1: you not ubiquitous. I have seen witnessed maybe three PvP
Speaker 1: fights along the way.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's that's what I said. I think I said
Speaker 15: this a couple of weeks ago. I think for me,
Speaker 15: a big part of it is it's just an additional
Speaker 15: veil of threat while you're out questing, and like you know,
Speaker 15: I'm in Western playlends now still just dicking around, and
Speaker 15: you go to the farms and you're trying to kill
Speaker 15: some shit. It's a whole different vibe when there's another
Speaker 15: no mage there on the other side of the field
Speaker 15: doing their thing and you're doing your thing and they're
Speaker 15: red and when they're just blue, like who gives a fuck?
Speaker 15: And even though ninety percent of the time neither of
Speaker 15: you are going to do anything to the other one,
Speaker 15: it is just that maybe maybe maybe maybe he's going
Speaker 15: to do something, and then you do your question, you leave.
Speaker 15: I don't know why. I feel like that actually does
Speaker 15: add a bit. And that's why I like that, even
Speaker 15: though like nothing actually ends up happening, you know what
Speaker 15: I mean. It's the this the.
Speaker 1: Risk, this this server, Marcus, I'd love to hear from
Speaker 1: you on this one. This server if anything, proves my
Speaker 1: ongoing hypothesis that WOW players are generally dickless fuck withs
Speaker 1: who are terrified of PvP because they've all got warmode on.
Speaker 1: They fucking all do and they could be going ham
Speaker 1: on each other, but because they're not seeing group PvP,
Speaker 1: they're not starting anything up.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, like the group PvP side of things,
Speaker 17: Like I enjoy all of it not so much that
Speaker 17: just like relentless camping of a town because there's like
Speaker 17: three people there and you just ruin in a day.
Speaker 17: I've kind of grown out of that shit. But yeah,
Speaker 17: I enjoy all of it. But yeah, you could be
Speaker 17: on the money. People just or they've got other shit
Speaker 17: to do. They can't be fucked with it. But and
Speaker 17: they just want the five percent XP bonus. That's the
Speaker 17: other thing. There's a carrot here that keeps people with
Speaker 17: war mode on.
Speaker 1: Ye, So yeah, go go faction thing.
Speaker 23: So I had a lovely account the other day.
Speaker 5: Okay, cross faction.
Speaker 23: I spoke to a I did a Stockades run and
Speaker 23: it was with a Hord player. Horde Loyalist played since
Speaker 23: Vanilla had never done stockades and the only reason he
Speaker 23: could is because literally he could get into a group
Speaker 23: and get summoned. And I thought that was amazing for
Speaker 23: a guy to be able to experience new content for
Speaker 23: him since Vanilla days because he's just never gone a line,
Speaker 23: so you can't get to go play stockades.
Speaker 5: And I was like, that's amazing, Like.
Speaker 23: That's a good side of this cross faction play.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, exact same thing. Man, I'm
Speaker 8: playing an Alliance character right now, and it's almost impossible.
Speaker 8: When you're playing an Alliance character, usually define groups for stuff
Speaker 8: like whaling, Caverncery, chaof and keep. That's like on the
Speaker 8: acid of the Earth for you, and it's so easy here,
Speaker 8: it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Good points, good points. Hadn't thought of.
Speaker 17: The old points. But I'll add also to my view
Speaker 17: that I don't really think that war mode should be
Speaker 17: faction specific in class either. It's radical, I know, but
Speaker 17: I'm faction agnostic. I'll play whatever faction my mates are playing.
Speaker 17: I don't care if it's Alliance or Horde. And it's
Speaker 17: the same with fighting other players. I don't care if
Speaker 17: they're Alliance or Hoard. I just want to punch on.
Speaker 17: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: My only thing with that is on a large scale server,
Speaker 1: if it is a free for all, it could turn
Speaker 1: into like an eye can't get anything done server. But
Speaker 1: if they engage with it, like they're engaging on this
Speaker 1: server and no one's actually fucking fighting anyone because there
Speaker 1: they don't view one v ones as PvP, they only
Speaker 1: view group content as PvP, then maybe you're okay, maybe I.
Speaker 23: Mean percent sure, So I ninety nine percent sure. I
Speaker 23: saw a post that said they were putting special people
Speaker 23: inside the agrama so you could change faction on Gurubashi
Speaker 23: because it is so hard alliance in that.
Speaker 1: No, surely not what I saw a post.
Speaker 5: Yeah you didn't see that.
Speaker 4: I missed this on the other survey, not this one.
Speaker 1: No, No, they change actions on Gurubashi.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, was about it from BVP.
Speaker 1: There you go, and that's I mean, so it's just
Speaker 1: living the modern PvP life of it turned into a
Speaker 1: fucking eighty twenty server instantly did.
Speaker 9: It's just what I had.
Speaker 8: No, it's only like sixty forty right now, but they
Speaker 8: just want to prevent it from happening. They also said
Speaker 8: they were going to consider doing an incentive similar to
Speaker 8: the word mode bonuses for the I believe it's the
Speaker 8: alliance is the smile faction right now.
Speaker 4: To get people to swap.
Speaker 15: I think I said a couple of weeks ago as well,
Speaker 15: that's what I Ultimately, if you had to really force
Speaker 15: the issue, that's where I would go. I'd just rather
Speaker 15: rather a factionless well than all this bullshit. If PvP
Speaker 15: servers historic like as they are now, are so fucking dreadful,
Speaker 15: I would just rather be gone with factions entirely. But
Speaker 15: that's again, you may as well just be looking at
Speaker 15: a different mmo than what a walker offt.
Speaker 1: The problem is PvP servers just continue to be a headache.
Speaker 1: They are an administrative fucking headache. I'm not saying delete
Speaker 1: PvP servers, but I'm saying you better have the balls
Speaker 1: to introduce some pretty fucking hard like, some harsh rules
Speaker 1: and new modern ways of tackling these servers, because the
Speaker 1: old like just open up a PvP server and let
Speaker 1: them go health the leather doesn't work anymore twenty five.
Speaker 1: They devolve in quickly into what we always see.
Speaker 12: Can I give some criticism of cross faction PvP?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please go nuts.
Speaker 12: So I was doing a gentha the lore in Hinterland
Speaker 12: the other day and I got a cross faction group
Speaker 12: with three Alliance and two Hord. I'm Hord, and halfway through,
Speaker 12: all of a sudden, an Alliance group, a full Alliance
Speaker 12: group just come by and kill all the horrid people,
Speaker 12: which is us. And I'm of course yelling at my
Speaker 12: teammates like fucking do something, come on, heal me. Let's
Speaker 12: you know I'm getting my ass kicked over here. By
Speaker 12: these guys and they just like, dude, we're alliance. We
Speaker 12: can't do shit. And I was like, oh fuck, yeah,
Speaker 12: half my group is alliance. They can't help me.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've had so they can heal.
Speaker 1: That is awkward. They can heal you, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: is awkward. I get that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, they were like all rogues and warriors. I
Speaker 12: was the healer, so I have definitely.
Speaker 15: I had exactly the same thing in the exact same place,
Speaker 15: and my ally party mates were pleading to their own
Speaker 15: faction to stop camping me and someone else because we
Speaker 15: were hoared and they were having their own fucking quarrel.
Speaker 15: Then of calling each other dipshits because they were griefing
Speaker 15: their own fucking faction because they were griefing me.
Speaker 17: And that's fashionless. That wouldn't be a problem, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 15: That was one of those times where I'm like, this
Speaker 15: is so stupid to have like cross factions. Cool, but
Speaker 15: not on a PvP server or any like a server
Speaker 15: that lets you enable PvP. So obviously I've done it
Speaker 15: to myself.
Speaker 1: What you need there is you need a coding and yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where the factionless part comes in. You need
Speaker 1: coding in that scenario that if someone attacks a member
Speaker 1: of your party, regardless of their faction, you can punch on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, there should be something that allows everybody.
Speaker 6: Or if they implement like if you're in a if
Speaker 6: you're in a group and you're the minority faction in
Speaker 6: the group, like the other faction shouldn't be able to
Speaker 6: attack you at all.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think I reckon it should probably disable my
Speaker 15: war mode once I've partied with other non warm mode
Speaker 15: people potentially or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's there's workarounds. There are ways
Speaker 1: to make that awkwardness work. I for one, I prefer
Speaker 1: I know what I prefer, Like I just said, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, if you're going to be the dipshit that
Speaker 1: engages and tries to grief another party, knowing that, oh
Speaker 1: we can wipe two of their members and and you know,
Speaker 1: grief this party and the others can't fight back, No no, no,
Speaker 1: fuck that make it a choice now because now everyone
Speaker 1: it's on five E five.
Speaker 17: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'd be all.
Speaker 3: I mean a hundred situations where healing the opposite faction
Speaker 3: who is in my party and them killing my faction
Speaker 3: slash you know, vice versa of like me killing the
Speaker 3: Upside faction while the the I'm alliance and Aulardy was
Speaker 3: healing me because we were already in a group and
Speaker 3: we were trying to get you done. I think they
Speaker 3: may there may have even been PvP credit for doing.
Speaker 17: So, yeah, they have. They'd have got the people who
Speaker 17: were killing you, would have had the chance for the
Speaker 17: bloody token, and they would have got their quest credit.
Speaker 15: But I'm fairly sure that the reason why this all
Speaker 15: sucked way less is because people figured out that I
Speaker 15: don't think bloody tokens are shared loot, and I don't
Speaker 15: think the kill credit for those quests are shared either.
Speaker 15: So going around it as a group of five was
Speaker 15: just pointless because you were just now you had to
Speaker 15: go kill twenty five players instead of just soloing five.
Speaker 15: So the quests are actually designed to try and feel
Speaker 15: one v ones and stuff out in the world. If
Speaker 15: you're as if you're as a group of three, then
Speaker 15: you just be in a cunt, which is still a
Speaker 15: completely viable life choice to make in the game who cares.
Speaker 15: But at least the quests aren't encouraging just grouping up
Speaker 15: and being dickheads together. And when I was rushing through
Speaker 15: when I was in STV. I think it took half
Speaker 15: a day for that news to kind of spread and
Speaker 15: for people to figure it out, where you know, running
Speaker 15: around as a party of five was just a huge
Speaker 15: waste of time. So I'm just glad that they at
Speaker 15: least did that, But there's still so much hankiness with
Speaker 15: how it all works. And then you know, it's just
Speaker 15: super weird to have your heeler standing there just watching
Speaker 15: all of you die and he's like, well, I can't
Speaker 15: do anything, And then some of them even said even
Speaker 15: if I could, I wouldn't because I don't want to
Speaker 15: get flagged and then I'll get griefed by pored or
Speaker 15: something afterwards, which has happened like if you buff, if
Speaker 15: you buff me, I think it enables you. And then
Speaker 15: when we drop group, I could kill you right after,
Speaker 15: which obviously means like I've had people wary of it
Speaker 15: now and they don't want to buff when we just
Speaker 15: join up for a quest out in the world. So
Speaker 15: I don't really know what systems they could or how
Speaker 15: they could change the system to prevent that. Maybe I
Speaker 15: wouldn't be that, I wouldn't be that against if you
Speaker 15: are a warm ode enabled player that you can't fucking
Speaker 15: group with non warmode players to really make it, you know, isolating.
Speaker 15: You've made your choice, and I would probably still roll
Speaker 15: with it, but I think there probably needs to be
Speaker 15: less of these clashes.
Speaker 1: Because you lost me, and you lost me at that one.
Speaker 15: I don't think it would be that dreadful.
Speaker 1: Then you just still you've basically created a microcosm of
Speaker 1: a PvP and PPE server.
Speaker 15: It comes with the cost of wanting to be.
Speaker 1: At The whole point is everyone group with everyone, guys,
Speaker 1: anyone else on anything before we sort of wrap it up,
Speaker 1: do we I'm just wondering, do we tell I'm happy
Speaker 1: not to tell it. Do we tell our story about
Speaker 1: our new friend that I chewed out the other day?
Speaker 1: Or do we leave that one.
Speaker 15: Which new friend getting chewed out?
Speaker 1: There's a bit of chewing the one I sent you
Speaker 1: the screenshots of.
Speaker 15: Ah, I mean you can if you want. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm more wondering from your angle because I was like,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite subplots of this season of Countdown
Speaker 1: to Classic is ubiquitous as growing fame in game, and
Speaker 1: we've had a fan if you'll call it, that pop
Speaker 1: up and start to talk to ub and I on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, And yeah, I was just wondering, how
Speaker 1: you what you thought of that?
Speaker 15: Ub It's been interesting mixed bag of plays on a
Speaker 15: game like World Warcraft? Who could have thought so? Well,
Speaker 15: what you get to get?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the closest after seven and a half years,
Speaker 1: it's the closest I've gotten to oh euphemistically put it
Speaker 1: as the content creator fan and i'd sort of mean
Speaker 1: more other content creator that you might think of more
Speaker 1: when you think of Wow streamer. We had someone latch
Speaker 1: on to us recently who just started whispering Ubie and
Speaker 1: I every day in game where we don't know who
Speaker 1: the fuck this guy is. And he just didn't say
Speaker 1: anything horrible, but just would whisper us every day for
Speaker 1: a week and just like wasn't really saying anything, was
Speaker 1: just like, hey, smelly bum, your bum smells okay, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking hey, hey what are you doing in game today?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 1: And just like I just I think I replied the
Speaker 1: first time, and then I just stopped replying, thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: if I stop replying, he'll go away. But he never
Speaker 1: went away, and he kept fucking whispering me every day.
Speaker 1: And UV goes, oh, yeah, that guy whispers me every
Speaker 1: day as well. And I think he said he basically
Speaker 1: gave you the same treatment of sort of not really
Speaker 1: saying anything of note, right YUV, most of.
Speaker 15: The time where he whispered me to ask about you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it was just getting a bit awkward.
Speaker 1: And so I, for the first time in my content
Speaker 1: creation career, I just I thought back, So he whispered
Speaker 1: me last night, and I thought back to a moment
Speaker 1: where look, there's been one or two times in the
Speaker 1: past where I have reached out to a fellow content
Speaker 1: creator in game and sent them a whisper and been like, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: love your content, keep up the good job. And that's
Speaker 1: not what this guy was saying to me. But I've
Speaker 1: said that to other creators in the past, and it
Speaker 1: always like mildly, mildly gutted me when they didn't say
Speaker 1: fucking anything in reply, when I'm like, oh, man, like
Speaker 1: really like nothing, all right whatever. So I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be that creator.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 1: I had replied to this guy like the first time
Speaker 1: he sent me a message and then ignored him after that,
Speaker 1: but then last night he just I cracked it because
Speaker 1: it was like the seventh day in a row of messages,
Speaker 1: and I just fucking sat down and go, look, mate,
Speaker 1: I literally said this, I got, I got. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're a good guy. I'm sure you're a good guy,
Speaker 1: but just you've messaged me every day seven days in
Speaker 1: a row now with whispers and I'm not really sure
Speaker 1: what you're looking for here, Like I don't know who
Speaker 1: you are, we've not played before, you know what you
Speaker 1: what are you chasing here? And he's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to be friendly and I was like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know it's it's starting. You're encroaching on the creepiness
Speaker 1: here a little bit, mate, with just like I've not
Speaker 1: replied to you six days in a row and here
Speaker 1: you are still trying to debate a reply out of me.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm giving you the time of day
Speaker 1: now because I hate it when creators don't reply to
Speaker 1: people and I don't want to be that guy. But
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here straight up up asking you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we can be friendly, but what's the go?
Speaker 1: And then he launched into the like like I said before,
Speaker 1: like you've got no chill loll imagine fucking taking it
Speaker 1: this seriously and I just I said, Mat, I don't
Speaker 1: want to put you on ignore, but like you've kind
Speaker 1: of forced my hand here like what he's doing. And
Speaker 1: he kept at it and I just said, well, mate,
Speaker 1: welcome to the ignore list. Like and it was just
Speaker 1: the first instance of like kind of starting to encroach
Speaker 1: on that content creative fanboy slash parasocial thing, and it
Speaker 1: was fucking awkward. I don't know how bigger creators deal
Speaker 1: with like thousands of like younger fans just needing to
Speaker 1: talk to them.
Speaker 15: Well, that's usually when they they changed their ways into
Speaker 15: the silence for everyone's fair.
Speaker 1: And and now maybe it makes sense when I said that,
Speaker 1: you know, creators hadn't replied to me in the past,
Speaker 1: and now maybe I get it.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I just assumed that most creators would have like
Speaker 15: even if you DM them, unless you're legitimately their discord friend,
Speaker 15: it doesn't even pop up as a hey, someone's trying
Speaker 15: to contact you, notification or anything. They're just on the
Speaker 15: deep mute, which I get, Like fucking hell, I can
Speaker 15: only imagine some of the dribble that they're getting in
Speaker 15: their inbox.
Speaker 1: My point of honor at the end of Countdown to
Speaker 1: Classic will be. I have replied to every cunt that's
Speaker 1: ever contacted me ever, and if there's someone out there
Speaker 1: that I missed, it was not by design. Like I've
Speaker 1: gone through fucking everything and I get back to people quickly,
Speaker 1: and I've replied to every Patreon message. I've replied to
Speaker 1: every email, I've replied to every Discord DM, every in
Speaker 1: game whisper that I've caught, Like I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: be you know, Marcus, you know the and I know
Speaker 1: I'm sucking my own dicky guys, and this is awkward.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm trying to say, like that's why
Speaker 1: this story really stood out to me, because it burnt
Speaker 1: me a little bit. But like I always think of,
Speaker 1: you know that the Ringo Star moment in the Him
Speaker 1: since Marcus where he really goes out of his way
Speaker 1: to reply to fan mail. Yeah, that's that I always
Speaker 1: resonated with me. And I'm like, you know, I've always
Speaker 1: treated Countdown that way, and I don't get that much mail,
Speaker 1: but the little that I do get, I just respond to.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, it kind of burnt
Speaker 1: me to sort of reply to someone and have just
Speaker 1: be like, mate, fucking just, I'll be friendly with you,
Speaker 1: just be normal, But it was it was a request
Speaker 1: too far.
Speaker 15: You've opened the floodgates. Now I anticipate someone saying, Hi,
Speaker 15: smelly bum, here's mine and the photo of their butt.
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, and I think you check your mail, you're
Speaker 15: going to see his butt.
Speaker 1: Well, I blame you and this guild. Now that this
Speaker 1: guild is blown up and we've entered the dark, murky
Speaker 1: waters of widows on private servers, of which we are
Speaker 1: now part of the crowd, I think we've opened the
Speaker 1: door for the fucking strange stuff to start happening.
Speaker 15: Mate, once you join the carnival, best to just be
Speaker 15: a carnie, all right, get amongst it. Let it happen.
Speaker 15: H No, I just I mean, my little my two
Speaker 15: cents is get involved in the Discord more than like,
Speaker 15: the Discord is the place to go and be and
Speaker 15: to get involved in the show and stuff. There's a
Speaker 15: there's a bunch of good chaps in there, so.
Speaker 1: Well that that's why I'm weary of this schmeek guy,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, mate, if you're not in the Discord
Speaker 1: and you don't really engage with us, you're probably not
Speaker 1: a countdown person, and we're going to find it much
Speaker 1: easier to fuck you off.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 15: And I've just had a funny instance in Western Plaguelands.
Speaker 15: I'm running around and I am unsure who this is,
Speaker 15: so let me check the guildab we have swamp is
Speaker 15: swamp in here.
Speaker 1: That's that's uh Gristle's mate that we invited yesterday to
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 15: Okay, that makes sense because I found swamp in Western
Speaker 15: plague Lands and I was like, oh cool, I'll make
Speaker 15: him some major water because it looks like he's leveling
Speaker 15: is elemental. And then I've chucked him an invite and
Speaker 15: he's immediately declined it because while I was casting the water,
Speaker 15: He's run off into the into the distance. And then
Speaker 15: I've whispered him, going wait, I'm trying to give you
Speaker 15: some water? Where are you? And he just goes, oh, sorry,
Speaker 15: it didn't even know you were a guilty. And it's like,
Speaker 15: how the fuck are you here? Not that I'm not
Speaker 15: the big wig, but like, how how are you? How
Speaker 15: could you like the show?
Speaker 1: Or you know, how did you drop it? Don't you
Speaker 1: know who I am?
Speaker 15: No? I was like, that's all good, but it just
Speaker 15: perplexed me and immediately raised my alarms of like, are
Speaker 15: you one of the people that Josh doesn't want in
Speaker 15: here because they don't know what the fuck they're getting into,
Speaker 15: Like they just think it's a guild and.
Speaker 1: Whatever the community.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I mean the same boat as you. Like,
Speaker 15: I just kind of I like it being the Countdown people.
Speaker 15: And then there's been I'm accepting, we're still accepting of like,
Speaker 15: you know, you're a You're a Countdown enjoyer and have
Speaker 15: been forever. And your buddy's playing on this survey and
Speaker 15: you've actually he is a mad dog. That's fine. They
Speaker 15: can come in, but they're your buddy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 15: If they want to get on discord and call people
Speaker 15: for boons and get naked on camp, then you know
Speaker 15: that's your buddy and they might have to pay the
Speaker 15: price for it.
Speaker 1: Feel well said, well said? What's that?
Speaker 15: Nah, you didn't get naked enough.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I might have been some poor process.
Speaker 4: I have had a few beers.
Speaker 1: That's all right, boys. Well we'll wind it up there.
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Speaker 1: you can't tell, I'm trying, I know. We just did
Speaker 1: like a really heavy episode, you know, first hour and
Speaker 1: a half all about some pretty heavy stuff with the
Speaker 1: season desist. But I'm trying to make the show much
Speaker 1: more lighthearted and fun. Given that we've got such a
Speaker 1: community thing happening and we're all playing together for the
Speaker 1: first time ever on a server, we can really have
Speaker 1: fun socially with this thing. So I am taking Countdown
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Speaker 1: if you will, and I want to think that it's
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Speaker 1: going to be getting serious if something rarely serious comes up,
Speaker 1: like the news with the season desist. Otherwise we're gonna
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