Speaker 1: And Bart's gonna hang out with us. So how was
Speaker 1: the night for you and the better half in Brookhaven?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll correct you a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm in Lindberghnkay, So I am right. I am about
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty yards northwest of the confluence of
Speaker 3: the Peachtree Creek North and South Fork. Literally the confluence
Speaker 3: trail is on the other side of my apartment complex.
Speaker 3: But so that is the creek that's been causing all
Speaker 3: the problems here in Atlanta. But here in Lindbergh we
Speaker 3: are fine now. Literally right across the street.
Speaker 2: Of Piedmont and between Peedont and Peach Tree is where
Speaker 2: all that flooding is happening. But we are dry, safe,
Speaker 2: and electrified.
Speaker 1: So thank you for that this morning, yes, and well
Speaker 1: hoping that you are safely electrified, because you don't want
Speaker 1: to be dry, safe and electricized. You want to be
Speaker 1: you don't want to be electrified. And I out outdoor
Speaker 1: environs all the watching all the live shots.
Speaker 3: I do have multiple bottles of wine that now I'm
Speaker 3: not I don't know if I should drink this weekend
Speaker 3: or you know, just save up for the next rainy day.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me. Then let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: what's West Virginia got this this this week?
Speaker 3: We play Oklahoma State tomorrow at four p m. And luckily,
Speaker 3: if if all things are are okay, I'll be watching
Speaker 3: with my fellow mountaineers, Peach State Mountaineers up at last
Speaker 3: Fir's tavern and finings.
Speaker 2: So that is the hopeful plan.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, with with with with all
Speaker 1: of the veno that could be keno that you have,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why, that's why I was asking about
Speaker 1: the take the over I think is the safe play
Speaker 1: when it comes to the tot Oklahoma State and West
Speaker 1: Virginia always to me, Yeah, that one to me stood
Speaker 1: out with everything. Uh, you reached out yesterday, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to spend more substantive time with the reffing down
Speaker 1: here moments and getting into the arguments about penalty kicks
Speaker 1: and keepers keeping their stationary status and things like that.
Speaker 1: Which element in reffing down here? Did you want to
Speaker 1: tackle first? As we walked through reffing down here on
Speaker 1: a Friday.
Speaker 3: Well, there are two, so I'll preface it with that
Speaker 3: main ones. The first is from the Campion News Cup final,
Speaker 3: that penalty kick shootout, and the other one is from
Speaker 3: the Open Cup final, the goal that opened the scoring
Speaker 3: in the game. Let's start with a penalty kicks shootout
Speaker 3: because I think it's a little clear cut. I think
Speaker 3: people understand what we're saying here, but talking heads on
Speaker 3: Twitter somehow don't, and I think that's the concern.
Speaker 1: John, Okay, go for it.
Speaker 3: So obviously in the final, well I guess yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a final penalty kick for Columbus, the one that
Speaker 3: missed off the crossbar, which counts as the same for
Speaker 3: a goalkeeper in the context of vibes, but it does
Speaker 3: not count as a same in the context of the
Speaker 3: laws of the game. And that's where we have to
Speaker 3: look at this, this law of the game. So when
Speaker 3: we talk about determining the outcome of a match, we
Speaker 3: got a penalty kick shootouts. As they call it an
Speaker 3: ipab kicks from the mark, which is a lame name.
Speaker 1: Just call it a p K shootout. That sounds like
Speaker 1: what BAM is going through with the Grand Final coming up.
Speaker 3: Yes, kicks from the So it is true though, but
Speaker 3: you know, so that is how we determine the outcome
Speaker 3: of a match, and basically that means we go to
Speaker 3: an extensive application of Law fourteen.
Speaker 2: The penalty kick.
Speaker 3: Now we're all familiar with the procedure should be. But
Speaker 3: you know, I think one of the questions we have
Speaker 3: is there is.
Speaker 2: The line.
Speaker 3: The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing
Speaker 3: the kicker between the gold coasts until the ball is
Speaker 3: kick the goalpost. The goalkeeper must not behave in a
Speaker 3: way that unfairly distracts the kicker, example, delay the taking
Speaker 3: of the kick, or touch the goalpost, crossbar, or net. Right,
Speaker 3: So we have more rules about what the goalkeeper can
Speaker 3: and can't do than what the kick can do, because
Speaker 3: they can run to Ebo Jima and back and take
Speaker 3: a penalty kick and finally, apparently that's fine, pause for
Speaker 3: seven minutes and finish a sandwich and yeah.
Speaker 2: But so that's what we know.
Speaker 3: We know that those are the things, right, So I
Speaker 3: think the question here is obviously the Club America goalkeeper
Speaker 3: John and you can you could attest he was off
Speaker 3: his line, yes when the kick was taken, which everyone screams, oh,
Speaker 3: that means we have to retake it. That is not
Speaker 3: what the laws of the Game's say.
Speaker 2: If the goalkeeper offends, if the ball enters the.
Speaker 3: Goal, a goal is awarded, right, So that happens a
Speaker 3: lot where the goalkeeper comes off as line, and I
Speaker 3: think that actually happened a couple of times in the
Speaker 3: shootout where the ball still out in the back of
Speaker 3: the net.
Speaker 2: Right, if the ball misses the goal.
Speaker 3: Or rebounds from the crossbar or goal posts, the kick
Speaker 3: has only retaken if the goalkeeper's offense clearly impacted the kicker.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of that key phrase there, John, And
Speaker 3: we do get an example of crossbar or goalposts, right which.
Speaker 2: The kick to hit the crossbar very loudly.
Speaker 3: Yeah you go crying, Yes, Yeah, definitely. I think we
Speaker 3: would all agree that the goalkeeper just taking a half
Speaker 3: step off his line did not impact either the kicker
Speaker 3: or the result of the kick.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1: I would agree, I would stipulated that, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: So that's just where the confusion is is because there
Speaker 3: was no impact. It's very similar to, you know, if
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's an advantage because it's
Speaker 3: not quite the right word, but sometimes things happen in
Speaker 3: soccer that aren't actually impacting the game and we kind
Speaker 3: of let them go, similar to you know, maybe earling
Speaker 3: Holland throwing the ball against the defender's head. That was
Speaker 3: just zero power to doudicateor or do anything about.
Speaker 1: John, Yes, abrue.
Speaker 2: No, I joke.
Speaker 3: But really what we're looking for there is did the
Speaker 3: goalkeeper I don't know, for example, rush the kicker right? Yeah,
Speaker 3: run up at the kicker, and that would exactly. That's
Speaker 3: really the only offense that we have where the result
Speaker 3: of the kick is is.
Speaker 2: Not really important right now, If the goalkeeper saves it,
Speaker 2: we retake it.
Speaker 1: Then you've got an issue.
Speaker 3: But all the others I mean, so if a teammate
Speaker 3: of the goalkeeper offense or a teammate of the kicking
Speaker 3: team defends.
Speaker 1: They're damn fast outside the eight team, right.
Speaker 3: We do have to say if the defending team steps
Speaker 3: into the box early right, but the goal the ball
Speaker 3: goes in, okay, well we don't do anything. But if
Speaker 3: he misses, no matter what, if he misses, we can
Speaker 3: take the rekick right. Same with an attacking player. If
Speaker 3: if the attacking team goes into the box right and
Speaker 3: the goalkeeper or the kicker makes it, then we have
Speaker 3: to retake it.
Speaker 2: Now, if.
Speaker 3: The teammate comes into the box and the kicker kicks
Speaker 3: the ball out of bounds for a goal kick, then
Speaker 3: we don't retake that. So this is a little bit
Speaker 3: weird because it is the only time where like the
Speaker 3: actual result of the kick, granted that has to be missed,
Speaker 3: isn't contingent on an offense. So the one slight advantage
Speaker 3: goalkeepers have in the penalty kickshoot out.
Speaker 1: And that was the the element here. I think that
Speaker 1: people are sitting there and going it's like, well, he's
Speaker 1: off off his line that he had, he has infringed
Speaker 1: upon the play. Therefore it's got to be a rekick.
Speaker 1: But I would I would look at it this way
Speaker 1: for those who are are still trying to navigate the
Speaker 1: laws of the game. Think about it in an American
Speaker 1: football sense, where you have a play, it's a long
Speaker 1: completion and the defender of the cornerback or the safety
Speaker 1: still commits pass interference. True, you have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: either take the play or take the penalty or and
Speaker 1: you know, take the fifteen yards or something like that.
Speaker 1: So you have the option of the play and the
Speaker 1: completion or the penalty in and of itself. You're gonna
Speaker 1: take the You're gonna take the completion because it was
Speaker 1: longer than what the penalty would be a you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen yard spotfoul or whatever. So you're in those kinds
Speaker 1: of in those kinds of navigations. Think of it almost
Speaker 1: like in an American football sense, where yeah, you can
Speaker 1: take either the play or the penalty, whichever is longer,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna take You're gonna take the you're gonna
Speaker 1: take the completion as opposed to the penalty. Something like that. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's similar.
Speaker 3: It's just it is weird, I understand, because it's the
Speaker 3: one time where an offence doesn't really impact whether we
Speaker 3: take the kick or not, because well, the kicker missed
Speaker 3: and John I think you know, Jarrett talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 2: Kickers, if you're missing a penalty kick.
Speaker 3: With all the stipulations a goalkeeper have and all the
Speaker 3: allowances you have the ability to start and stop the
Speaker 3: stutter stuff, the all the run ups you can do,
Speaker 3: and the goalkeeper not being able to truly as much
Speaker 3: as I mean, I'll talk about Patrick Schulte in a
Speaker 3: little bit, but both did a job and the penalty
Speaker 3: kick shootout. But even if you read and guess and
Speaker 3: react the right way, you still got to rely on
Speaker 3: a terrible penalty kick from the other team to save it.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sure Greg Garza could talk about this
Speaker 3: of coaching up kids to take a penalty kick. But kids,
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, put the ball into the corner.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna make it.
Speaker 2: Give us some pay.
Speaker 3: Put it, you know, mid height, put it into the corner. Personally,
Speaker 3: I always aimed for, uh literally the side netting because
Speaker 3: from twelve yards out you can kind of see that
Speaker 3: pretty well. And about shoulder height is probably good for
Speaker 3: you and you're you're probably going to score ninety eight
Speaker 3: percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Yep. By the way, I not knowing what our power
Speaker 1: situation was going to be, I gave the our friends
Speaker 1: from Beyond Goals the week off so you and I
Speaker 1: can rock and roll for a while here, okay. Uh So,
Speaker 1: And to your point about penalty kicks, I think that
Speaker 1: this is also something in the laws of the game
Speaker 1: that probably should continue to be looked at addressed because
Speaker 1: of the public queue and cry over the whole thing
Speaker 1: about starts and stops. Now, I agree, John, walk you through,
Speaker 1: walk me through laws of the game, because people sit
Speaker 1: there and and I know this will play well for radio.
Speaker 1: But you've got you've got folks that want to sit
Speaker 1: there and they want to get a their their quick
Speaker 1: little start that they want to they want to do
Speaker 1: their thing, and then they want to they'll run up
Speaker 1: and then they'll stop, and it almost looks like they're
Speaker 1: gonna come to a full stop, and then they keep
Speaker 1: going and then it's like starts and stops and it's
Speaker 1: almost like learning. How like when we're fifteen and our
Speaker 1: and our and our parent takes us to the empty
Speaker 1: parking lot to try to learn how to drive a
Speaker 1: clutch for the first time, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you just you know, the engine stalls. Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: The breakdown of starting stopping. If you are the player
Speaker 1: taking the penalty kick, what constitutes movement, what doesn't constitute movement,
Speaker 1: what's good, what's bad? What's allowed? Walk me through that side.
Speaker 1: Since we've gone in between the sticks, let's go to
Speaker 1: the spot. Walk me through that in the laws of
Speaker 1: the game, even though we know they should be checked.
Speaker 3: Well, And this is the issue, is there's not a
Speaker 3: whole lot in the current laws of the game about
Speaker 3: what a kicker can or can't do, you know, looking
Speaker 3: we Law fourteen again. The penalty kick, the procedure. Really,
Speaker 3: we have a couple of things that we have to
Speaker 3: do before the penalty kick has taken. We have to
Speaker 3: make sure the ball is stationary with part of the
Speaker 3: ball touching or overhanging the center of the penalty mark,
Speaker 3: and the goal post, crossbar and goal neet not be moving. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's pretty standard, but that does also again affect the goalkeeper. Right,
Speaker 3: A lot of times you've seen goalkeepers hit the crossbar,
Speaker 3: the that all that kind of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 3: there's that The player taking the penalty kick must be
Speaker 3: clearly identified.
Speaker 2: We haven't really ever had that issue truly, but that.
Speaker 3: Is another one that we do have to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know number taking the penalty kick, and that means
Speaker 3: that number seven can't then run up and.
Speaker 2: Take the penalty kick. The players taking the penalty kick
Speaker 2: must kick the ball forward.
Speaker 1: I've never known a I've never known a penalty kicker
Speaker 1: to kicks.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it, John, That's that is the the end all
Speaker 3: be all of that. There's some more like the player
Speaker 3: must take the ball back. Healing is allowed as long
Speaker 3: as it goes forward. The kicker must not touch the
Speaker 3: ball again until it has touched another player. So literally,
Speaker 3: that's that's it, which is which is the problem, right
Speaker 3: because in past iterations of the laws of the game,
Speaker 3: we did have the idea that it needs to be
Speaker 3: uh I forget the exact wording, but basically a continuous
Speaker 3: run up you know us, once they start their kick
Speaker 3: that must complete it.
Speaker 2: Basically, that's kind of the issue is that.
Speaker 3: The the stipulations on kickers has been stripped away while
Speaker 3: we've added way more stipulations on the goalkeeper. Now, the
Speaker 3: theory for that in normal play makes sense if you
Speaker 3: think about it. Right in regulation time, in the ninety
Speaker 3: minutes that you might be playing. The penalty kick is
Speaker 3: a penalty for a direct kick foul inside the penalty area. Correct,
Speaker 3: That is the point of a penalty kicks will stimulate
Speaker 3: to that It is supposed to be punishment for the
Speaker 3: offending team committing a foul, a direct kick foul inside
Speaker 3: the penalty area. So the fact that you have advantages
Speaker 3: giving to the attacking team who were fouled inside the
Speaker 3: penalty area makes a whole lot of sense, right. I
Speaker 3: think that's that is understood to be the reason behind
Speaker 3: strict the boundaries on what the goalkeeper can do, and
Speaker 3: not as strict for what the.
Speaker 2: Kicker can do.
Speaker 3: Now, we do have a lot of strict boundaries on
Speaker 3: the players not involved. Obviously they have to be outside
Speaker 3: the penalty area, behind the ball and behind the penalty arc,
Speaker 3: and we are very strict on don't come into the box.
Speaker 2: I think we should just make it electrified.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, what is it that they have for dogs,
Speaker 1: the electric fence.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, do something like that. But other than that,
Speaker 3: the kickers don't have a whole lot of stipulations on them,
Speaker 3: on requirements on them other than kick the ball forward.
Speaker 3: And that is because in normal time, a penalty kick
Speaker 3: is meant to be a literal penalty against the other team, right,
Speaker 3: it is supposed to be punishment. Now, the problem I
Speaker 3: think we all have with this, John is that when
Speaker 3: we get into tournament settings and we have kicks from
Speaker 3: the mark, it does give the kicker a grossly unfair
Speaker 3: advantage in what shouldn't be such an imbalance of it
Speaker 3: of advantages.
Speaker 1: Just you basically is what we're staring at, uh you.
Speaker 1: And so obviously, since we are we are solution makers
Speaker 1: here on the show, we believe in it. We believe
Speaker 1: in fixing things. We fixed. We fixed, We fixed Open
Speaker 1: Cup yesterday, We have fixed the All Star Game in
Speaker 1: years past. And so let's fix Let's fix the wording
Speaker 1: in the laws of the game when it comes to
Speaker 1: activity for keepers and penalty kick takers. Let's let's let's
Speaker 1: fix the l OTG. How how would you address that
Speaker 1: particular topic.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just a really I think you
Speaker 3: could go back a little bit and add the stipulation
Speaker 3: that they must make a continuous run up to the ball, right,
Speaker 3: whatever that wording ends up being, but just indicate that
Speaker 3: once the motion to take the penalty kick has started, right,
Speaker 3: you have to keep it now. I I do think
Speaker 3: that could also be interpreted to mean once you get
Speaker 3: your up to the ball, you can't stop and start.
Speaker 3: So that might rule out Joseph Martinez his favorite trick, yeah,
Speaker 3: the hop and the hot. But I think that could
Speaker 3: be the easiest solution, and I don't think that takes
Speaker 3: away that much of an advantage from the kicker, to
Speaker 3: be quite honest, I'm sorry if you can't run up
Speaker 3: the ball, strike it and put it in the corner
Speaker 3: of the net, or put it in the net from
Speaker 3: twelve yards out with a goalkeeper who can't move until
Speaker 3: you kick it. I mean, what's your problem. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a U problem, not a goalkeeper problem, right, you know
Speaker 3: so I do think that could be an easy solution, John,
Speaker 3: And we did have that in prior, like it was
Speaker 3: there when I first started referering.
Speaker 2: But that was several years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah that was last Tuesday yet two decades Yeah,
Speaker 1: last Tuesday, Patrick schulte You wanted to discuss Patrick Schultz,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Before we move on to the Open Cup final.
Speaker 3: Patrick schulte Man has been in He's been the starter
Speaker 3: for Columbus since two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Not the full time, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But he started starting I don't think he might.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: It was Alive two two in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 3: since then he's been in an MLS Cup final, a
Speaker 3: US Open Cup final, a League's Cup final, and a
Speaker 3: Conka CAF Champions Cup final. It's a lot of finals
Speaker 3: for a kid who's twenty three. Actually he might be
Speaker 3: twenty four now sure, I think he may have turned twenty.
Speaker 3: He's young and basically he's still young.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of hand ringing from you know,
Speaker 3: Twitter bots. I'll maybe, I don't know if they're bots,
Speaker 3: they'd act like it about why Gaga Sloanine is not
Speaker 3: playing in the Olympics. Why is he not playing? Goga
Speaker 3: is the best keeper we've ever seen since Tim Howard.
Speaker 3: Wait what I like Gaga. I think he's a fine goalkeeper.
Speaker 3: He had great days in MLS.
Speaker 1: And Gaga was great in the Stars Born. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll give you credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was.
Speaker 3: But I think there's just something to be said about
Speaker 3: a goalkeeper who has literally been there and done that
Speaker 3: at twenty four years old, right, four times been in
Speaker 3: cup finals and not just like you know, gummy Bear
Speaker 3: Cup final, which still counts true.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bropes. I couldn't remember if he was.
Speaker 3: I know he was one of the older ones in
Speaker 3: the twenty three, but thank you for the older ones.
Speaker 2: I mean, right, but that's weird.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Patrick Shulty very well, maybe, And it's way
Speaker 3: early to talk about this for real, for real, As
Speaker 3: anyone will tell you, goalkeepers do develop late. But at
Speaker 3: twenty three we can start looking at him as the
Speaker 3: potential next guy for the US MINS national team. I
Speaker 3: think it's fair to do that we saw him start
Speaker 3: and play a full game under the substitute teacher earlier
Speaker 3: this month. You know, we're still in September, still my
Speaker 3: birthday month.
Speaker 2: There you go, and I think we I think when.
Speaker 3: You're evaluating goalkeepers, a lot of people just look at
Speaker 3: shot stopping, and so when you evaluate the Gaga Sloanino tape.
Speaker 2: While in Chicago, he got a lot of practice shot stopping.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this, John, but
Speaker 3: Chicago Fire are tara bad as a club.
Speaker 1: As a team, Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so he.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of shot stopping practice. So he's making
Speaker 3: a lot of whiles. I mean, Chris Brady's going through
Speaker 3: that right now, bless his little heart.
Speaker 1: I have to remember that.
Speaker 3: Patrick Schilty doesn't get those opportunities because he's playing for
Speaker 3: I don't know, John, you might you you could probably
Speaker 3: corroborate this maybe the best team in the league. I
Speaker 3: would yea outside of the one with the greatest player
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 1: Counselor I will stipulate that they are the greatest team
Speaker 1: in the league.
Speaker 3: I would I would argue that they are still the
Speaker 3: best team even without the best player in the world.
Speaker 2: I think that just matters. I really do.
Speaker 3: He's getting great experience, he's playing real soccer, which I
Speaker 3: think does matter.
Speaker 1: He is not real soccer.
Speaker 2: Name a time Chicago has played real soccer in the
Speaker 2: past three.
Speaker 1: I was just, I was just, I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 1: linking and Joe Man, Well, and here's the other problem
Speaker 1: is talk about real soccer.
Speaker 3: I mean, Gaga's down in League One. They don't they
Speaker 3: play kickball there, Let's be let's be real honest.
Speaker 2: Sorry it's but Shulty has had interest from European teams.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me to see him get a move
Speaker 3: either this offseason or next summer as a twenty four
Speaker 3: year old who can go to a mid size you
Speaker 3: know club, or an upper tier club and one of
Speaker 3: the you know, baby Bundesliga or or legal or higher
Speaker 3: than Barnes's, right, higher than Barnsley, higher than maybe even
Speaker 3: you know, where is horrorvat Cardiff?
Speaker 2: You know, And if he can make that move, even
Speaker 2: if it's too I don't know, say.
Speaker 3: Marseille Leon one of those types of clubs, right, maybe
Speaker 3: it's a Strausburg, you know, one of those types of
Speaker 3: clubs that's a really good move for the kid at
Speaker 3: twenty four, and he doesn't have to start right, but
Speaker 3: hopefully he can start playing soon.
Speaker 2: Obviously, as we've seen with men's national team.
Speaker 3: Goalkeepers, they go over to Europe, they don't play, they
Speaker 3: don't start, then their form drops off. So you don't
Speaker 3: want that if you're Shoulty. But he is at the
Speaker 3: point now where I think we can safely put him
Speaker 3: into the group of three goalkeepers. I won't tell you
Speaker 3: where he ranks in that and who the other two are,
Speaker 3: but I think he's in the three that you need
Speaker 3: to start calling in forever camp because now that we're
Speaker 3: looking toward twenty twenty six, you do need to start building.
Speaker 3: The thing is is and I know you know, we
Speaker 3: have a new coach. He'll start in fifteen days really coaching.
Speaker 3: Actually probably about ten days when you count like when
Speaker 3: they actually come to camp. But fifteen days he has
Speaker 3: his first his first game. We don't have a whole
Speaker 3: lot of time, so he's going to have to start
Speaker 3: coalescing his group quickly. And the one group that you
Speaker 3: just don't need to play a whole lot with the goalkeepers, right,
Speaker 3: and if Shilty's your third goalkeeper and maybe even your
Speaker 3: backup for twenty twenty six. That's a good investment in
Speaker 3: the future. And that's kind of the other part here
Speaker 3: is I think he's earned it, but he's he has
Speaker 3: earned your investment, right, But it's also smart to pick
Speaker 3: the goalkeeper that you're investing. And he was the starter
Speaker 3: on the Olympics, he got the start in earlier this month.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the problem in that game, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 3: That's not his fault that no one else on the
Speaker 3: field wanted to play a game against Canada that day.
Speaker 3: But it seems like and it also seems like John
Speaker 3: and again you can pack me up on this, he
Speaker 3: might be playing it in a fifth final pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could counsel or I could that.
Speaker 3: He's at least I think it's safe to say he's
Speaker 3: at least playing in an Eastern Conference final. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: what when does that happen? Seven months from now, two
Speaker 3: months from now?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the MLS schedule is. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now your second, now that we've we dipped into
Speaker 1: the soccer for us po D part of the program
Speaker 1: for our intermission, Now that we've melessa Jason, it's good
Speaker 1: to talk. Well, no, it's like I said, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: it's it's soccer for us po D. We used that
Speaker 1: as intermission. We went out to the lobby. We got
Speaker 1: ourselves attreat. Now we're back for the second half of
Speaker 1: the movie. Involving U, involving open cup. What was the
Speaker 1: moment that you wanted to attack there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the moment that opened the scoring.
Speaker 3: Like I said, Bogus gets the ball played into him
Speaker 3: from behind. Now Olivia de ru is clearly in an
Speaker 3: offside position when this attacking play starts, right, there's I
Speaker 3: think there's a turnover in midfield. I forget who exactly
Speaker 3: gets that they passed to Bogush. Olivier Geroux is offside.
Speaker 3: That does not matter. Again, it is not an offense
Speaker 3: in itself to be in an offside position. To quote
Speaker 3: the very first sentence of law eleven. Okay, I think
Speaker 3: we can all agree that his positioning of being super
Speaker 3: far offside did not impact the defenders as they were
Speaker 3: all trying to hold their line with Bogush, not at
Speaker 3: all with Jeru. That said, and we got a var review,
Speaker 3: And this is what I want to talk about, John,
Speaker 3: is that review the video angles to me did not
Speaker 3: convince me he was on side. And I will say,
Speaker 3: to me it looked like he probably was a foot
Speaker 3: maybe a foot and.
Speaker 2: A half off side.
Speaker 3: Whoever does the I forget who does the lines on
Speaker 3: the field, which are not the best way to do
Speaker 3: it on a TV screen than applying it to Twitter.
Speaker 3: But judicated him to be judged him to be about
Speaker 3: a foot off side, digitally adjudicated, yes, digitally remastered digitally.
Speaker 3: The thing here is, though, John, what was the call
Speaker 3: in the field?
Speaker 2: Goal?
Speaker 1: And got them?
Speaker 3: When you see, I know when you see when you
Speaker 3: have the call in the field be a goal, you
Speaker 3: have to have clear and obvious evidence that there's not
Speaker 3: a goal, correct, And in this particular incident incidents, you
Speaker 3: do not have that. And and this is why this is,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to talk about, because also
Speaker 3: I think Drew may have been offside when he actually
Speaker 3: scored the goal.
Speaker 2: I thought he was ahead of the ball, But that
Speaker 2: was a whole other thing.
Speaker 3: What in MLS we do not use the line drawing
Speaker 3: technology that they use in the Premier League, and that
Speaker 3: that has caused in the Premier League, John, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have heard, but fans don't love that
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is true.
Speaker 3: That but in the case of this goal, however, yeah, yeah, However,
Speaker 3: in the case of this goal, I think it's fair
Speaker 3: to say it would have been called off side, and
Speaker 3: it would have been a lot closer than the hairline
Speaker 3: or toenail that they joke about over on the island
Speaker 3: across the pond. I think it's worth considering with MLS
Speaker 3: using some of the automated off side technology. I don't
Speaker 3: know necessarily if that would have worked in this scenario
Speaker 3: because it is close. But a foot is a decent
Speaker 3: amount of space to be offside.
Speaker 2: You know right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, asking the Atlanta this morning.
Speaker 2: A foot of water is a lot of water.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is true.
Speaker 3: And I just had an issue with this because it
Speaker 3: looked offside and the lines are even on the field
Speaker 3: right because of the way they mowed the grass crops
Speaker 3: to the LAFC grounds crew, the grounds crew, but you
Speaker 3: could see it just looked like he was closer to
Speaker 3: the the next line cut in the grass ban the
Speaker 3: defender who you know, there was one that wasn't quite
Speaker 3: with the rest of the line, but it just looked offside.
Speaker 3: And I guess my point here is I really would
Speaker 3: like MLS to explore automated offside because again I don't
Speaker 3: know if it would necessarily fix this right or have
Speaker 3: overturned it or even upheld it right.
Speaker 2: But I don't like the.
Speaker 3: Line drawing because it just takes time well well, and
Speaker 3: you also have to have an individual who construct the lines.
Speaker 3: You have to have the construction, you have to time
Speaker 3: it perfectly right, you have to say yes at this
Speaker 3: moment the ball. There's a lot that goes into it
Speaker 3: that makes it not an exact science, but it just
Speaker 3: I'm sorry it looked like Bogus was offside. I don't
Speaker 3: think that would have inherently changed the outcome of the match.
Speaker 3: I think LAFC probably goes on and wins this anyway.
Speaker 3: But at that point in time, it's still nil nil,
Speaker 3: you know, and Sporting Kansas City's goal was, you know,
Speaker 3: an honest goal was scored and right and open play,
Speaker 3: So you know, I just I wonder John, it's more
Speaker 3: of a discussion question of I think we all agree
Speaker 3: we don't like the lines for a lot of their
Speaker 3: margins for error not being great, but this felt like
Speaker 3: an opportunity to use some better technology than just a
Speaker 3: camera from a not straight on angle, you know, to
Speaker 3: make this call and help the referees out on the field.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm writing this down as a roundtable discussion at
Speaker 1: a particular.
Speaker 3: It is definitely is an off season discussion, but it's
Speaker 3: one that I just want to raise because we see
Speaker 3: this consternation, this backlash, gnashing of teeth and gnashing of teeth,
Speaker 3: ringing of hands.
Speaker 2: In England and.
Speaker 3: Around the world for those who watched the English game
Speaker 3: when we draw lines and people seem to hate that,
Speaker 3: and and.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: The problem is offside is and you're either offside or
Speaker 3: you're not. There's no it might be a foul, it
Speaker 3: might not. You know, this isn't a judgment call. It's
Speaker 3: a factual position on the field.
Speaker 1: The same with ball in and out of play.
Speaker 2: You is or you ain't.
Speaker 3: And so we want to be as precise as possible,
Speaker 3: but we also have to understand that technology cannot be
Speaker 3: as precise if as we would like it to be.
Speaker 3: Similar to you know, I don't know a certain event
Speaker 3: that happened last summer where a ball was judged to
Speaker 3: have crossed a goal line despite you know, if not
Speaker 3: actually crossing it, and you cannot convince.
Speaker 2: Me or the goalkeeper who saved it that it crossed.
Speaker 3: The line, and it shows I don't know, maybe a millimeter.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the margin of error is for that,
Speaker 3: but I gotta imagine it's within a millimeter, is within
Speaker 3: that margin of error. But we have to find I think,
Speaker 3: in m a less a better way to be a little
Speaker 3: bit more exact, or maybe just find a way to
Speaker 3: use technology to get a better look at the actual
Speaker 3: off sidelines so we're not looking at it from an
Speaker 3: angle that is not straight down the line. And I
Speaker 3: think Bam brings up maybe one idea came or the tracks.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's possible, but you know, I
Speaker 3: just think there's a better way to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, in track and field, even though it
Speaker 1: is one direction, when they decided finally in competitions to
Speaker 1: install a west cam on rail for track and field coverage,
Speaker 1: you got to see the lead, you get to see
Speaker 1: the lead runners and all of that discussion at ground
Speaker 1: level when they decided to finally bring in a west
Speaker 1: cam and put it on a rail. So maybe it
Speaker 1: has something to do with the chips in you know,
Speaker 1: like you have chips and numbers and road races. Maybe
Speaker 1: you've got a chip in the ID plate for the
Speaker 1: sprinters and you have that west Cam follow along and
Speaker 1: do it the same kind of a way. So Bam
Speaker 1: might be onto something there, I am.
Speaker 3: I guess what concerns me is MOLSA has been reluctant
Speaker 3: to even use the goal line technology, which seems like
Speaker 3: that and itself.
Speaker 2: I know it's expensive, I get it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It sponsored, it was sponsored in a previous man, let's
Speaker 3: be real, honest. The MLS owners collectively, I can afford
Speaker 3: it compared to what the Premier league owners have. And
Speaker 3: I know we can talk about Saudi Arabian, Qatar and
Speaker 3: all these other countries.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know about the
Speaker 1: Minnesota owner.
Speaker 3: Well, and we well we know that a certain ownership
Speaker 3: group in Northern California sure as hell won't pay for it.
Speaker 1: Oh brother, I see all right? So sidebar uh, I
Speaker 1: was I was this close. I couldn't find my cell
Speaker 1: T shirt this morning, I couldn't find my sell T shirt,
Speaker 1: but I was this close to wearing the other T
Speaker 1: shirt that I have associated with that gentleman's particular baseball team.
Speaker 1: A shout out to our friends at Last Divebar who
Speaker 1: have done tremendous gear work when it comes to the
Speaker 1: Oakland Athletics in the situation that the that the fans
Speaker 1: are going through right now. The T shirt in and
Speaker 1: of itself has uh the initials of the owner. There
Speaker 1: there are three. There are three letters on the front
Speaker 1: of the T shirt that I have that is not
Speaker 1: my cell T shirt. There are three initials on the
Speaker 1: front of the T shirt. The last two are the
Speaker 1: initials of the owner JF. That's that's number two.
Speaker 2: The other one also the initial of his last name.
Speaker 1: Correct, that is number one. And I have that T shirt,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how appropriate it would be to
Speaker 1: wear that on the air, you know, John.
Speaker 3: I think this is actually a good discussion point because
Speaker 3: for soccer, sure, because he owns a soccer team, yes
Speaker 3: he does, you know, in the highest level in this country.
Speaker 3: And I think the question just I have for this
Speaker 3: man is why do you own sports teams when you
Speaker 3: don't seem to care about sports team.
Speaker 1: That they're at their line items that's on.
Speaker 3: A balance, and that's kind of The issue I have is,
Speaker 3: you know, I think for the most part, I think
Speaker 3: you can say the majority of MLS owners, while some
Speaker 3: of them may not want to spend money, are.
Speaker 2: Not apathetic to their product.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah, no, it does. It's like
Speaker 1: there's there's even in Dallas.
Speaker 3: I think people want to be successful, they just don't
Speaker 3: want to put a lot of money into the well.
Speaker 1: And you could have said you you could have said
Speaker 1: the same about Kronky Sports and Entertainment with what they
Speaker 1: were doing in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Colorado exists. But as I drink from my arsenal.
Speaker 1: But but this past offseason, you bring in Chris Armis,
Speaker 1: you spend money, you bring in players like Georgie Mihailovich.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not spending an ish ton of money
Speaker 1: by comparison, so.
Speaker 3: You don't have to an MLS. I think that's why
Speaker 3: most owners like MLS.
Speaker 2: As you do.
Speaker 3: Columbus, Yeah, Columbia, even even Cincinnati. I mean I know
Speaker 3: there's spend a lot on top end players, but they
Speaker 3: don't have the same type of budget that Miami l
Speaker 3: a Atlanti even does.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's that's why I mean, Look, I.
Speaker 3: Think the the way to win an MLS is you
Speaker 3: spend good smart money on your DPS and the rest
Speaker 3: of your roster is guys who just help carry they Well.
Speaker 1: It's it's a combination of those players that fit roles
Speaker 1: plus a developed academy footprint, right which.
Speaker 3: By the way, I need to shout out the Atlanta
Speaker 3: United Academy. I think a lot of people complain about
Speaker 3: it because they don't understand how academies work, and they
Speaker 3: think that every year we're supposed to have five new
Speaker 3: starters on the first team from the academy.
Speaker 2: But the academy guys have played pretty well this year.
Speaker 3: You know, I think the issues that we've seen with
Speaker 3: this team are not from the academy kids.
Speaker 2: We'll just that way, you know.
Speaker 3: I think we'd like we would like Jay Fortune to
Speaker 3: be more consistent. But if that's your biggest complaint for
Speaker 3: a guy who wasn't supposed to be getting this many minutes.
Speaker 1: And Jay has grown into the role that he yeah.
Speaker 2: He's done, he's done much better and he.
Speaker 1: Has taken minutes away from others and writing yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I knew exactly where you're going with that.
Speaker 1: Uh you okay, yet now you get the all right,
Speaker 1: with the just checking.
Speaker 3: No I to wrap it all up, I just I
Speaker 3: really would like MLS to invest a little bit more
Speaker 3: technology to support the referees, because I, despite what people think,
Speaker 3: I think we have some pretty decent referees in MLS,
Speaker 3: really evidenced by the most part, some of them getting
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of attentions from FIFA.
Speaker 3: Look, we have some good ones, right, and I think
Speaker 3: in the Open Cup we had a well refereed game.
Speaker 3: I think that one offside decision is an example of
Speaker 3: even really good referees are going to miss calls because
Speaker 3: these players are really fast. The ball is moving in
Speaker 3: uncoordinated ways in a lot of times, you know, and
Speaker 3: there's there's just because it's so open and fluid, referees
Speaker 3: cannot be always seeing everything that comes in their purview,
Speaker 3: and that there are ways to just help with a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of technology.
Speaker 3: I think some automated or semi automated I guess offside
Speaker 3: technology would help. I think golden line technology would help,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And so I would just like.
Speaker 3: To see some money injected into that because I don't
Speaker 3: think it would be that much money.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got Oak State in West Virginia. This weekend.
Speaker 2: What is up with the Arsenal we play?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Who do we play this weekend?
Speaker 1: See? For him, it's first things first, this is how
Speaker 1: this is how it is with Bart. It's first. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's another.
Speaker 3: Well, first things first, John, shout out to the Arsenal
Speaker 3: women getting a four nail went over Hacken yesterday and
Speaker 3: now into the Women's Champions League group stage we have
Speaker 3: Jubentis Byron Munich and club from Norway.
Speaker 2: So I feel pretty confident about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that definitely without question. Thank you
Speaker 1: for as always reaching out and waving the waving the flags.
Speaker 1: Sit there, it's like, dude, there's we need to update
Speaker 1: this and it can't sit so uh bring everything forward
Speaker 1: with reffing down here and all the M and T stuff.
Speaker 1: It's always great when you when you sit there and go, hey, bruh, I'm.
Speaker 2: Glad you let me jump in it.
Speaker 3: Just we're things that bothered me a little bit, just
Speaker 3: because you know, I think people father Bart for five,
Speaker 3: the goalkeeper off their line thing is just like, man,
Speaker 3: what do you want these goalkeepers to do?
Speaker 2: Like stand there and just hope the ball hits them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely, I mean stand still, stand still and hope
Speaker 1: that they go paninka, especially.
Speaker 2: Especially in a penalty case in the.
Speaker 1: PKHU that situation. We will catch up with you Monday
Speaker 1: with more reffing down here from the weekend, because I
Speaker 1: know that that will exist and if there's anything else
Speaker 1: going on, I know that we have some of the
Speaker 1: the other M and T s that are putting out
Speaker 1: schedules and things like that. The extended extended national teams
Speaker 1: I think put out their schedule for their games coming
Speaker 1: up here in recent in.
Speaker 2: Regons and play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just don't get caught attempting to fix fuotsal in
Speaker 1: world tournaments and things like that, because.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think I should.
Speaker 3: I could fix footsal by convincing the IOC to have
Speaker 3: it as part of the Olympics.
Speaker 2: But I don't think I'm going to fix games in
Speaker 2: foot salt.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Yeah, the French national team is not being
Speaker 1: looked at quite time for their recent actions and footsal.
Speaker 1: Go enjoy your coffee, Go enjoy your weekend. Take the
Speaker 1: over should be a full weekend. The Oak State West
Speaker 1: Virginia game might be over by the time a play
Speaker 1: on Sunday.
Speaker 2: What is the over? Let's let me look at that.
Speaker 1: Two and a half.
Speaker 2: Well, but not with our offense. Good Lord Neil Brown
Speaker 2: loves to sixty five and a half? What is it?
Speaker 1: Come on, now, we'll see who gets there first.
Speaker 2: I know, right, I should get there. Oh there we go? Uh?
Speaker 1: All this move?
Speaker 2: Got? Uh? Can I get the betting lines? Because I
Speaker 2: don't bet? That's probably why?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean and if you're going to
Speaker 1: pay attention to me, then you certainly don't want to
Speaker 1: do it. Oaks. Sorry, Oaks State's got Kansas State. They're
Speaker 1: in Manhattan.
Speaker 2: That's right. No, no, no, we've got who do we have
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 1: Do you have the buye? Do you have a bye week?
Speaker 2: My calendar is all messed up?
Speaker 1: Oh we do.
Speaker 2: We have the bye week? Oklahoma States next weekend.
Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, so Oaks State's at Kansas State.
Speaker 1: So you get to buy and you get to uh,
Speaker 1: you get to make sure you're rare and and ready
Speaker 1: to go for.
Speaker 3: At n A Philly because there's not another football game
Speaker 3: going on at seven thirty tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 1: Uh no, well there yeah, John?
Speaker 3: My theory yeah freaking kind of shifted eastward. It kind
Speaker 3: of went a little bit more toward Athens.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The devil aka Nick Saban pulled one more over on
Speaker 3: Kirby smart to get something on him, So.
Speaker 2: Shoot, start that controversy.
Speaker 1: If he had done that, then it would have been today.
Speaker 1: It would have been the heaviest overnight and Kirby I'm
Speaker 1: sure probably headed west. Anyway, they probably spent the night
Speaker 1: in Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad and brothers are heading to the game.
Speaker 2: And I joked with the.
Speaker 1: Night in in Elyn at a at a hotel, or
Speaker 1: they were in Ranburn and the Ranburn hanging out.
Speaker 3: At And I'll tell you, John, I will say this
Speaker 3: to your your lovely bride Auburn. The city blows the
Speaker 3: doors off Tuscaloosa question.
Speaker 1: I will say that, So, oh blow it before you go.
Speaker 1: Uh did you know that that SDH was up for
Speaker 1: an award?
Speaker 2: I think I heard about this. Yeah, SDH is up
Speaker 2: for an award, John, Yeah, and other vote Well right
Speaker 2: here Footballcontent Awards dot Com backslash voting, and we're trying
Speaker 2: to turn this into Cook County politics.
Speaker 1: Very very chicagoy. So find different IP addresses logging go
Speaker 1: to Footballcontentawards dot Com.
Speaker 2: Multiple browsers on the laptop.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and so get on your phone, go on
Speaker 3: the regular eyebrowser going the end. Yeah, hey, look, vote early,
Speaker 3: vote often, the Chicago way exactly.
Speaker 1: You have until dinnertime local time October thirteenth, because Bart
Speaker 1: with the Soccer for Us pod being a part of
Speaker 1: the network and all that kind of stuff. Go to
Speaker 1: Football Content Awards dot Com backslash voting, vote early, vote often.
Speaker 1: Because we're in up against nine heavyweights, one of these
Speaker 1: things is not like the other. And as I keep saying,
Speaker 1: grab your sling shot and your stone people, that's what
Speaker 1: this is all about. Fifty vote is the popular vote,
Speaker 1: and this is legitimately and this is what I'm thinking here.
Speaker 1: The fans of the other nine will probably cancel each
Speaker 1: other out to a certain degree because they're all going
Speaker 1: to be voting for themselves and those numbers will be
Speaker 1: the same. This is our way to come up from
Speaker 1: lane eight and crash the party and let everybody know
Speaker 1: what's going on. The fact that we are one of
Speaker 1: three in the United States that were nominated for the
Speaker 1: Broadcaster rights Holder category ten in the overall seven overseas
Speaker 1: what used to be BT Sport, sky Talk, Sport, Dezone, ITV,
Speaker 1: something called ESPNFC I mean GLOSSO Network and US. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: look it is amazing and humbling and all this kind
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Speaker 2: Sir, I will plug soccer for US as well, because.
Speaker 1: As you should.
Speaker 3: We recorded an episode on Wednesday, and then halfway through
Speaker 3: apparently I'm recording because I don't know if you know this, John,
Speaker 3: but stream Marier does have a limit on how much
Speaker 3: you can actually hold in storage. Yeah, that twenty minutes
Speaker 3: into the episode. So we had a great one we're
Speaker 3: talking about. I don't know if John, if you saw this,
Speaker 3: but we have some venues for next summer that selected,
Speaker 3: and we had some a venue selected for Nations League,
Speaker 3: and we thought it was a good time to discuss
Speaker 3: why the hell the US men's national team doesn't play
Speaker 3: around the country and kind of broke down the data
Speaker 3: behind where you know, the both the myth and the
Speaker 3: reality of well, they only play in a handful of
Speaker 3: locations and kind of ranted about that. So that'll become
Speaker 3: we're going to re record and hopefully come out next week.
Speaker 3: And then after that we've got Pachettino's first roster. And
Speaker 3: if you listen to that podcast, you will also hear
Speaker 3: a plog to vote for the football content wards dot
Speaker 3: com slash voting.
Speaker 2: We're talking here.
Speaker 1: See see you know Bart's a part of the network.
Speaker 1: He knows how this is. It's like any kind of
Speaker 1: any program, any any program attached to the network where
Speaker 1: you can have an opportunity to tell folks to vote. Literally,
Speaker 1: this is what we're here for. Uh, go go enjoy
Speaker 1: your college your your college football where nothing's going on.
Speaker 1: So whenever Arsenal's playing Lester, you can enjoy that. Go back,
Speaker 1: take your nap, enjoy things, and we'll be back with
Speaker 1: you ten o'clock on Monday morning.
Speaker 2: Be safe, my friend, y'all be safe. Hope everyone stays dry.
Speaker 3: Hopefully everyone stays power Ether comes back sooner, stays on.
Speaker 2: Abby, enjoy your tub full of water.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to get into that discussion with with
Speaker 1: Abby and learning folks. Enjoy your enjoy your cafe. We'll
Speaker 1: see you soon.