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Speaker 1: So you want to be up those stage question Yeah,

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from the blinds, to deliver, stay smooth, stay subtle, stack chips,

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stack skills, Let the fuse get muted. Welcome to this show.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode isn't going to be an episode about strategy,

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but it is a bonus episode, so it's not one

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of your first Sunday of the month strategy episodes. I'm

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throwing it in here for free for extra as a

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bonus because I think it's important. I play anywhere from

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depending on the month, I will play between one hundred

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and two hundred hours of poker a month. I play

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somewhere between fifteen hundred and two thousand hours of poker

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a year. I spend a lot of time at a

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poker table. Poker's my passion. Poker's the way I enjoy myself.

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Poker is an escape for me mentally and emotionally. Obviously

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I make a little bit of money doing it as well.

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I also help teach people how to play and coach

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people and have you know, training Patreon and stuff like.

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I just love poker. That is where I'm at in

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my life. Don't know how long that'll last, but the

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concept of poker etiquette is something that I think gets

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overlooked and all the poker content out there, and I've

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talked a little bit about poker rules and what to

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expect it poker for beginners. It's probably been a couple

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of years ago now. If you're interested in that, if

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you're an absolute new player, you can go back and

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search the archives. But I don't think I've ever just

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done an episode strictly on poker etiquette. So that's what

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you're going to get in today's episode. If you want

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training and learn how to crush the game and all that,

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stick around to the end of the podcast episode. We'll

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talk about that a little bit. So poker etiquette basics. Look,

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always respect the game. Game. They used to call it,

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you know, the gentlemen's game, but you know women play

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it as well, So it's a respectable person's game. That's

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the way we would like to keep it. And so

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there's just some things you shouldn't do. We'll name a

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fewel them. Slow rolling, for example, you shouldn't slow roll

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people you don't know. Now, I have friends that I

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play a lot of poker with and we like give

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and take, jib and jab, that kind of thing. I

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may slow roll one of them and they will probably

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laugh at it and tell me they'll get me back.

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But as a general rule, don't slow roll people. Just

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flip your hand over this obsession with even if it's accidental,

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like I see people accidentally slow roll somebody. Just flip

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your hand over this obsession with not revealing your hand

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because you think you're gonna reveal some grand strategy to

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everybody at the table and they're gonna use it against you.

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Nobody at your one, two, one three game is using

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anything against you, So just flip your handover instead of

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slow rolling fast role. Like I almost always fast roll,

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not always. There are times I will, you know, if

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I don't have to show first and there's a pro

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or a person I don't know, et cetera, something like

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that in a hand, I will wait to see them

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show their cards because that's the rule, they have to

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go first. But you know, other than you know, spots

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like that, just you know, table your hand. Don't talk

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about your hand while there's live action. Now, this rule

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will vary a little bit from room to in most

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poker rooms, not tournaments, by the way, tournaments are completely different.

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You can't talk about your hand at all. In a tournament,

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But in cash games and a lot of poker rooms,

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you cannot discuss the hand. You can't discuss the board,

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you can't discuss the turn, you can't discuss the pot size,

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you can't discuss the guy's bet side. Like, you can't

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discuss anything about the hand that's going on unless you

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are heads up with one other player. If it's just

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you and one other player heads up, now my home

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poker room, like, you can just turn your cards over

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and show them to the other player in the hand

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if your head's up. Other poker rooms won't let you

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do that, but they will let you talk back and forth.

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You can use deception, you can joke around, you can

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try to talk somebody to folding. But when there's more

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than check with your room. As with everything, check with

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your room and see what the rule is. But either

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you can only talk about what's going on in a

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hand when it's you and one other person heads up,

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or you can't talk about it at all. It will

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depend on what room you're in. Try your best to

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not expose your cards, like, especially intentionally. I see people

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they hate their card and they've been talking about what

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bad cards they're getting, and they just want to show

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the table prove to them how bad the cards are.

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them and they'll just flip their cards over they see

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how bad my cars are. Well, that exposes an enormous

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amount of information to everybody who's in the game who

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hasn't acted yet. Let's say that there's somebody in there

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with you know, seven eight of spades, and you folded

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the six of spades or you folded a seven or

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you folded an eight. That may go from them deciding

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to play that hand to not playing that hand because

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their ability to make big hands is diminished on the flop.

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best to not do it accidentally. As well, accidents happened,

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but try very hard to be careful and don't be

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doing end zone dances in somebody face after you win

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a pot. I was surprised not too long ago, there's

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probably been two or three months ago. Now, there was

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this guy in a hand with me. He's a relatively

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quiet player and kind of reserved and kind of on

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the conservative side, that he'd beat me in a hand,

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and he just stood up and did an all out

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end zone dends. It was very disrespectful, very disrespectful. Look,

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if it's a friend of yours. Again, if you're in

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a hand with a friend somebody that you have a

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poker history with, you guys take jabs at each other. Look,

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you can celebrate in your friend's face, right, because that's

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the thing you do. But other than that, just be respectful. Likewise,

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when you lose a hand, we all lose, are cool

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from time to time and say comments like wow, I

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did you know. They can be from as innocent sounding

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as wow, I didn't expect you to have that there.

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That's an insult, but it's a kind of a polite insult, right, Like,

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it's not over the top. But then people just take

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it further and go, wow, you're the worst player ever,

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or how are you even in his hand? Or you

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don't even know how to spell poker, and it'll just

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get worse and worse and worse. Like, try to be

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respectful in polight when you lose hands, even if it's

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a bad beat. Don't blame the dealer for your cards.

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The dealer can't control your cards. Ugh. I know three

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or four people in my home boger room that constantly

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are just up the dealer about uh, I knew you

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were gonna give me that. You always give me that.

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You always just give me the word, you know. Now.

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I joke with the dealers about it. I'm never serious.

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Like you can ask any of my homeroom dealers. They

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will tell you right off the bat. I will joke

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with them about you just kill me. You're killing me

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at this table. But I'm always kind of joking about it.

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I continue to tip them, I continue to be polite

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to them. They know that I don't actually think that

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they're the problem, right, But some people do. Make your

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stack size visible to all and keep your largest ship

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denomination up front. This is a This is a rule

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that I guess pretty much every room I've ever played in. So,

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if you have green chips and red chips, your green

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chips should be upfront. In other words, they should be

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in front of your red chips so at the table

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can easily see them on top of your stack of red.

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and you got like four green chips. You can either

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put them on top of your stack of red so

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they're up high and visible, or you need to put

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them out in front of your red chip so everybody

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can see them. And then you need to keep your

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cards visible and protect them. Not long ago, this gentleman

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who kind of keeps his hands over his cards, so

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it's kind of hard to tell if he's got a

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hand or not. I mean, he was in a hand

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and somebody else bet, and the dealer looked around and

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didn't see cards and pushed the pot to the player

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who made the bet and then was mucking the you know,

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mucked his hand and mucked the board and all this,

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and then the other player goes, hey, I'm still in

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the hand. I got cards. Well, you know, nobody could

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see your cards. Nobody could see your cards, so keep

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your cards visible, always protect them. Protecting your hand is

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on you. If you don't want the dealer to accidentally

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muck your hand, you need to protect your hand, and

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a lot of people do this putting a chip protect

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your card protector, like a chip or something on top

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of it. But even that's not enough. Like I've still

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seen hands mugged when they had a chip on top

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of them. The best way to protect your hand is

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just leave your hands on your cards. But I don't

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mean covering your cards completely. Just leave a finger or

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two on top of your cards or something, leaving where

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they can be seen. Have respect for other players at

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the game in every way you can, Like, don't be

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coaching up bad players at the table, don't be braiding

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bad players at the table. Don't be braiding good players

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at the table. Don't mock how somebody plays. Don't get

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a strategy debate with people at the table that you

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don't know, you know, try to let people enjoy the game,

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and especially if they're playing badly, Like, what do you

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want them to start playing better? This is something I've

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never understood, launching into a tie rade about how somebody's

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playing horribly and what a horrible player they are. It's

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the dumbest thing ever. You want that person to keep

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playing horribly? What do you want them to play good?

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Just try to be polite. Look, do I ever get

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out of line and maybe make an off comment here

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or a sninde comment there? Of course, from time to

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time I will. But I think you can ask anybody

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that plays with me in these two hundred hours a month,

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I play like ninety nine percent of the time, I

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either won't say nothing, or I'll say nice hand or

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you know, I just try not. I try not to

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be rude to other people. And then finally in this topic,

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keep the game moving right. Always know when it's your turn.

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I hate people that never know when it's on them.

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They're just sitting there. They never ever know it's their turn.

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They don't know when they're the big blind, they don't

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know when they're the small blind. They don't know when

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they're next to act. Look, pay attention to what's going

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on the game, man, act in a reasonable amount of time.

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Don't sit there tanking forever. Like you know, I see

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people tanking over ten dollar bets and five dollar bets

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and stuff. Look if it's a you know, if it's

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a four hundred dollars pot and then the other guy

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goes all in for two hundred or three hundred or

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four hundred on them river or whatever, that's a big decision.

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And I don't mind you sitting there and trying to

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work it out. You know, take a minute, take a

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minute and a half. I mean, I guess even up

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to around two minutes. I can kind of be on

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board with. But don't be crazy, man. But especially for

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these small amounts, A couple of months ago. I saw

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this guy. The pot is like, I don't know, three

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hundred dollars or something, and the guy only has like

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thirty dollars behind For whatever reason why it didn't go

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all in the turn, I don't know, not for me

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to talk about. It's literally thirty dollars into like a

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three hundred something dollar pot and heat tanks for like

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two minutes and me and the guy next to me,

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he's talking about, we're gonna call the floor, and I

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didn't call the floor, but the guy next to me did,

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and I was fine with it because it was ridiculous.

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It's thirty dollars. Like, you know, if you're putting thirty

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dollars in you, we're not in the in the final

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table of the World series of Poker Man. Let's let's

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be realistic. Uh, try to make your bets and stuff

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pretty clear, and it always helps if you want to

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verbalize your action like you don't have to, but it

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will save you a lot of trouble if you will

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verbalize it. A lot of issues. Uh, let's talk about

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angle shooting first fall, don't angle shoot, don't be an

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angle shooter. Nobody likes an angle shooter is it cheating.

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The reason we have a different word for it is

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because technically it's not cheating, but sometimes it can be cheating.

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There is a fine line sometimes between angle shooting and cheating.

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there's some ethical angle shoots as well. I have an

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angle shoot that I do that I don't think is

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all that unethical. Some people will start putting chips in

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immediately when they see you grab it. In other words,

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let's say we're on the turn and uh, let's say

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it's one hundred dollars pot, and I'm reaching for my

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chip stack to pull off like fifty dollars to move

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to the middle. So I'm moving back, grabbing like grabbing

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half of a one hundred stack, half of a red stack,

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which you know around fifty, and I'm gonna move it

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forward and bet fifty or whatever. The other player in

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motion will with me, will be grabbing their chips, and

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they will be moving them forward even even sometimes ahead

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of me, like their hand will be over the line

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out in the middle, even ahead of my hand sometimes. Now,

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if you're gonna do this, if you're gonna expose yourself

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and leave yourself exposed, like this when I'm bluffing, right,

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because sometimes I'm gonna be bluffing on the turn. So

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I may have reached back and grabbed like seventy five

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dollars of chips in my hand, because I mean I

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can put up to like a full stack in my hand,

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like most people with averageized hands can do this. But

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you know, let's say it's not even a hundred Let's

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say I reach and grab grab a five dollars stack,

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and I go deep enough to snag like seventy five

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or eighty dollars and grab them, and I'm moving forward

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to bet, and I see this guy is already moving

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a stack of chips out in sync with me, or

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slightly ahead of me or something he's gonna call. If

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I'm buffing, I'm just gonna drop five dollars on the map.

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Because you know, again, this is gonna depend on your

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poker room. Some poker rooms have a hard betting line

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some people. Some rooms don't. If it's a hard betting line,

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if you have chips in your hand, once those chips

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go over the line, everything your hand stays in the middle.

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Bugar rooms who don't have a hard betting line. It's

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you can move, you know, like you can move seventy

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five dollars in red chips out front. You can drop

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twenty five, you know, five of them, which is twenty

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five dollars on the felt. Pick your hand up, move

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to the right, drop another twenty five. Pick your hand up,

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move to the right, drop another twenty five down. That's

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considered okay. So when rooms like that where I'm gonna

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bluff on the turn and then I see this guy's

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just gonna snap call me and he's beat me into

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the middle of the table with a stack of hip

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I'm just gonna drop five dollars because I'm buffing. On

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the other hand, if I have the nuts, I'm just

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gonna block. You know, I might have been thinking about

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betting fifty. But now that I see that he's gonna

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call them on a why I just dropped the whole

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seventy five out there. To me, that is an ethical

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angle shoot because the other person is angle shooting themselves.

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They're acting in a way that is exposing them and

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causing them to be vulnerable to be exploited. Unethical angle

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shoots are lying about your bet size, pretending you you know,

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meant to just call when you raise. Like I've seen people,

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you know, they'll drop like twenty dollars out there and

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then go, oh, I only meant to call or whatever

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when they just got aces and they're trying to give

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the illusion that they just meant to call. And you know,

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is this ethical? I don't really think that's ethical. I

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had a guy one night that I was bluffing on

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the river and I go all in, and I have

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I have a ton of chips, like I have a

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big stack of green which is five hundred dollars, and

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then I probably have like another six or seven hundred

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dollars in red stacks. And he only had like one

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hundred and forty dollars left behind him. That's all. He had,

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like one hundred and forty dollars. So I announce all in,

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and to make things easier, I just grab that stack

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of green chips and just move them to the middle.

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I say, all in. I grab a stack of green

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chips and move them to the middle. He says, call,

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turns over his hand. He has the best hand. He

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grabs my entire stack of green chips and pulls them

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towards him into his stack, causing them to get all mixed.

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Up and washed up and confused, and I immediately go, whoaa,

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I don't know him five hundred dollars The man only

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had like one hundred and twenty or a hundred and

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thirty or a hundred four at most in front of him,

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and he took my entire every every green chip that

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I slid out in the middle, he took it. You know.

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The floor had to go watch the cameras. They closely

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estimated what he had. They might have been off five

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or ten dollars. Anyway, it got resolved. But that's it.

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That is an unethical angle. Shoot. So I think some

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angles can be clever and ethical, and I think some

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of them are unethical. Uh, don't lose your cool too

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much over it. Like try if it happens to you,

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try to call the floor. If you feel like it's

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something that's unethical, and especially if it cost you money,

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like in the example of the hand I just talked about,

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you can ask the dealer about it or whatever. Just

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don't get crazy, don't get violent, don't get angry at

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that type stuff. Let's talk about dealing with versially abusive

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players at the table like this happens quite a bit,

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so a couple of different things can happen at the table, right,

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Like there's a there's friendly banter, right, and you you

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can you can do what's you know, like friendly banner

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and and you know trash talking that isn't abusive, Like

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you can trash talk somebody, you know, it's like in sports,

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people kind of trash talk each other and it's kind

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of accepted and it's okay, so you know, that's kind

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of fine. But then there's there's players that are just

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verbally abusive, just verbally abusive. And oftentimes it's somebody who

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just wants a reaction for whatever reason. Either they have

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a horrible life, they're a miserable person, they get some

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weird kick out of it, they're sad, lonely and depressed.

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I don't know what their reasons are, but they're just

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verbally abusive. They also could just be spoiled people who

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just think they're always supposed to get their way, and

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when they're losing or whatever, they're not getting their way,

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and so now they just become verbally abusive. You should

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mostly stay calm in these situations. You know, if usually

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if you just let it go, they'll stop. If it's

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just relentless. You can call a floor, You could ask

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the dealer or say, hey, just tell this guy to

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stop getting in my face. But again, don't react in

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a loud verbal way again, because you're just gonna escalate

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it and it's just gonna get out of hand. So

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you know, ignore it up to the point that you can,

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and then once it crosses a line, you know, speak up,

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call for a floor, ask the dealer to step in.

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You know, try to keep the game as least violent

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as possible. There's this guy that plays poker in my homeroom.

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I still not sure what he is. I don't know

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if he's the most evil person that ever walked the

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planet or if he's the most internally miserable person that

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walk the planet. So he has a quote unquote friend

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that I don't think that person really is his friend,

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but he just gets along with everybody. And he told

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me one day, he said, that guy is just miserable

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on the inside, and that's how he deals with it.

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You know, miserable people are miserable to other people. Pity him,

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don't get mad at him, just pity him, and I

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did for a while, but I don't think that's his problem.

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And I think he just genuinely gets joy from messing

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with people. And we had an occasion where I just

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generally annoyed, you know, would ignore him, or sometimes I

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just laugh at him because he's so ridiculous. The things

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he says are so stupid, Like he is the dumbest

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sounding person ever. He thinks he sounds intelligent, but he's

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really dumb. He says some of those insane things. Ever,

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he's also the tightest player that's ever played the game,

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but he will often call other people at the table

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tight or talk about how tight the game is. Meanwhile,

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he hasn't played a hand in three hours. Its matter

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of fact. I played with him maybe three two or

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three weekends ago, and he made a comment at the table.

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I raised and he folded his and he made a

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comment like I'm gonna fold to the tightest player at

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the table, and I just busted out laughing, and I

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told the guy next to him, Look, everybody in the

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room knows he's one of the top three tightest people

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in the room. Everybody in the room knows it. He's

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not fooling anybody, but he just likes the says stuff

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like that, So most of it doesn't bother me, but

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he comes after me most more than others. I think

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the reason is because I lost my cool one night

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with him several years ago. So this was COVID. This

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was the COVID year. I lost nine people to COVID.

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I don't want to get political. You believe whatever you

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want about COVID. I don't think you can believe everything

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you want to be right, but it's your right as

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an American to believe whatever you want. I personally believe

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there are sets of facts that are verifiable by science. Nevertheless,

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I digress. Believe whatever you want. When people have lost

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people to a disease, that is not the time to

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be the jerk. This guy is so on this particular night,

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I hadn't lost all nine people that I eventually lost

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to COVID. I'd only lost a few people, maybe three

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or four. But on this particular week, I lost one

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of the just best people I ever knew. I wouldn't

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say like I love them a ton, but there's you know,

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good friend, good person, or respected them a ton, and

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I had gone and buried them that day. I buried

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them that day, went to their funeral, all this kind

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of stuff, and then I was just going to go

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play poker that night, poker the next night, and stay

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in a hotel because the funeral of another person was Sunday.

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And the person in that funeral on Sunday was a

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woman that I loved as much or more than any

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woman I've ever loved, short of my mom. And my

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mom had passed. As a matter of fact, this person

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that I'm talking about that died from COVID, she was

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one of two people in the room with me at

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two o'clock in the morning when my mom passed. The

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three women that were in that room that night were

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the three women that I loved the most in this world,

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and they were ants. We were the only people in

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the room that night. My mom died at whatever time

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it was two in the morning or whatever. But so

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she was one of them, and she's been special to

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me since I was a young kid. She named me. Look,

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I don't want to go on and on about it,

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but I was burying her that Sunday and it was

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a very stressful time. This guy is going off about

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COVID and hoaxes and stuff, and I made a comment

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to him of some sort which really ignited him on

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fire and he just launched into He launched into all

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kinds of stuff about COVID. He launched into my game

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as a player and me being a losing player, And

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I mean, he was launching into everything I was. So

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I was in such a bad emotional place that night,

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because it was an emotional week, like I've already lost

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a few people to COVID, and I buried one person

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that day, and I'm burying the woman I love most

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that's still alive that Sunday, and it was not the

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time to be messing with me. My mind was not right.

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I was an enormous amount of stress and grief, and

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I almost left that table and went to the parking

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lot and waited for to see him exit the building,

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to deal with him in ways you shouldn't deal with somebody.

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But I came very close to doing it. We survived it,

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we got through it. But ever since that time, because

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I lost my cool at the table with him, which

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is the only time I'd ever done anything like that.

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Usually I just ignore him or laugh at him because

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he's so ridiculous. He's just the dumbest person. He's dumb,

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and he's mean, and he's he's mostly dumb. Let's just

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be honest. If you ever had somebody that thinks they're smart,

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but they really aren't all that smart. This is that

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guy anyway. You know. I let it go, but I

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guess because he got a rise out of me that night.

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He loves just poking at me all the time. It

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usually doesn't bother me, but on nights that I'm having

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a bad night, and this is what I do all

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nights that I'm not the best mentally or emotionally, Like

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if I'm having a bad day, perhaps I'm sick, perhaps

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I've a headache, perhaps when somebody's already ticked me off

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that day, if there's any chance that I will react

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in a not polite way or a not just sitting

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back an ignorant way to where it might escalate to

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violence for this person's safety, primarily for this person's safety,

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not my own. However, I first to admit I could

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wind up getting hurt in the altercation as well. We'll

474
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:59,119
find out. Because I ain't scared for that person's safety,

475
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,000
I will generally change tables. Uh, not because I'm scared

476
00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:06,400
of them, not because they're particularly brilliant, or they're all

477
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,759
that witty, or it's just it's just for their safety

478
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,440
and because I don't want to go to jail. But

479
00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:13,400
other nights I don't really care, and I'll just sit

480
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,039
there and just listen to the not well. Usually have

481
00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:18,279
my headphones on, so I don't really hear anything they say,

482
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,319
and if I do hear things they say, it's just

483
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:23,000
little bleeps and blips there, and just let it go

484
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,160
and not worry about it. Just I feel I pity

485
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,799
them because they're just pathetic. They're just a pathetic human.

486
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,559
That's how you have to deal with these things. So

487
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:31,880
you're gonna run across all kinds of people in poker.

488
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:34,960
This guy's horrible for the game because he just never

489
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,480
plays a hand and he doesn't bring anything to the table.

490
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,359
He doesn't bring enjoyment to the table. He doesn't bring

491
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,119
fun to the table, he doesn't bring your action to

492
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,359
the table. He doesn't bring anything positive at the table.

493
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,599
But sometimes you will run across people who are kind

494
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,640
of like him, like they like to dig at people.

495
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,880
They're a little annoying. Sometimes they can be you know,

496
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,960
caustic at times, but they're good for the game. So

497
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,400
when when personally me when it's somebody that's good for

498
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,319
the game. I just ignore them like I won't let

499
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,039
them get too far with somebody or with a dealer,

500
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,319
like I'll speak up, but otherwise unless it goes too far. Whatever. Man,

501
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,319
you're good for the game, you're losing fifty one hundred

502
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,920
dollars an hour. Please stay here and be an idiot

503
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,319
all you want. That's just how I handle it personally.

504
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,519
Let's talk about dealing with floor rulings. I've said this

505
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,039
for a long time. It doesn't matter how wrong the

506
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:24,440
floor is. They're always right, and the sooner you accept that,

507
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,519
the easier life will be. That doesn't mean you won't

508
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:30,519
get frustrated at times or annoyed at times. But whoever

509
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,359
is the floor is god. Whatever they say goes, it

510
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,480
doesn't matter. You can go pull up their own rule

511
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,440
book and show it to them. However they ruled, It

512
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,880
doesn't matter. Whatever the rule the floor says goes. Floor

513
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,839
rulings won't always go your way. Sometimes they won't go

514
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,599
your way and correctly so they shouldn't go your way.

515
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:51,799
And then other times they won't know your way and

516
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,519
the floor's just wrong. Look, you can't let that bother you.

517
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,960
It's one hand, it's one pod, it's whatever is, move on.

518
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,039
You can call the floor right when you call the floor. Look,

519
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,440
here's what you need to do. First thing. Let the dealer.

520
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,640
They're gonna want to want to know. That's the dealer,

521
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,039
what happened. Don't be interrupting the dealer and trying to

522
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:12,519
tell the floor what happened. You'll get your chance. You're

523
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:14,680
just making things worse for the floor when the dealer's

524
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,440
trying to tell them and you're yapping over them and

525
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:20,240
go no, this, yeah, that No. Let the dealer finish

526
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,920
giving their interpretation to what happened, and then tell the floor, Hey,

527
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,799
part of what he said is what happened, but then

528
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,240
he missed the you know, set the record straight and

529
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,160
the best of your ability. Sometimes they'll go check a camera.

530
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:36,000
Sometimes they want but look, there's no point arguing after

531
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,440
the ruling is made. You can be upset about it.

532
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,880
You could leave. You know, I've left a few times

533
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,920
after blow rulings. I've just racked up my chips and left.

534
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,039
I've also had conversations with the poker room manager after

535
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,759
a floor ruling. But as far as in the game, like,

536
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,440
you just can't go on and on about it. It's

537
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,279
not gonna change anything. It's gonna put you on tilt.

538
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,720
You're gonna lose money, you're gonna be unpleasant to the table,

539
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680
you're gonna make the playing environment uncomfortable. Just just move on.

540
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,599
Some ways you can protect yourself during these so things

541
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,720
aren't ambiguous, like things we've talked about before. Keep your

542
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:09,839
hand where it's visible, but keep it covered so it

543
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,480
doesn't get mugged. Keep your chip stacked straight, keep your

544
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,680
big chips out front, make your bet sizes clear, announce

545
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720
your bet size clearly. Don't do anything in an ambiguous way,

546
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,799
and you will save yourself some floor rulings. And then

547
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,759
the last thing is you need to know the rules

548
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,240
of the room you're playing in because they vary slightly.

549
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,680
There are slight variations and rules from room to room.

550
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,680
For example, for the longest time my room, the front

551
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,680
edge of your cards was a betting line, and once

552
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,319
you made a forward motion past the front of your

553
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,920
cards with your chips, that was binding. There's other rooms

554
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,359
where there's that little circle painted on the felt in

555
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480
the middle once that's called a hard betting line. In

556
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,000
some rooms, once your chips move past that line, every

557
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,880
chip that's in your hand has to be dropped on

558
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,359
the felt. Then there's ways my room is now where

559
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,720
it is forward motion dropping of chip and then moving

560
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,440
the hand back right. So it's an assertive forward motion

561
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,680
past the point where it's clearly a bet. It's going

562
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,319
to be different for a route. Make sure you know

563
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,359
the rules. Make sure you know how the high hands work.

564
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,200
Does it need to go to the river? How much

565
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,039
money needs to be in the pot? Can you play

566
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,079
one card? Do you have to play both cards for quads?

567
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,519
Do you have to have a pair in your hand?

568
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480
Or can you make quads with just one card in

569
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:21,960
your hand and your other card in your hand? Be

570
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160
the kicker, like, know all these rules and you will

571
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,000
save yourself a lot of headache. I won't talk a

572
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,160
lot about dealing with violent players or potentially violent players,

573
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,359
like you just shouldn't entertain them at all. Don't get

574
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,759
mouthy with them. I would just recommend changing tables there.

575
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,440
If there's a potential for something to bad happen, you

576
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,000
may even just consider leaving. You could, of course, call

577
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,240
the floor at the first sign you see violence is

578
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,880
about to happen. Hopefully the dealer or the floor will intervene.

579
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,480
But just look, don't be a hero in those spots.

580
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,799
Just remove yourself from the situation, get the dealer's attention

581
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,359
about it, ask for the floor, change seats, change to

582
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,880
a different table, don't try to be a And look,

583
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,200
I screwed up with this couple weeknds ago and got

584
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,559
interjected into a situation that wasn't even me. It was

585
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,160
a friend of mine was in it with this other

586
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,119
guy who brought his brother in, and I was gonna

587
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000
let my friend be one on two. So I made

588
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,799
a statement about, hey, you know, both of y'all need

589
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,519
to calm down because he's not by hisself, I should

590
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,839
have calmed down. So I'm not perfect either. I'm not

591
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,400
perfect by any means. Hopefully this will help you with

592
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,400
some poker room etiquette how you should act and deal

593
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,920
with people in the poker room. Right etiquette protects the game.

594
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,759
Poker is already stressful enough. Like if you keep your

595
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,440
etiquette good, it'll keep the game clean, it'll keep it fair,

596
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,920
it'll keep it fun, it'll move along quickly, and you'll

597
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,440
just enjoy it a lot more. Don't forget you have

598
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,839
a reputation. Just like my dad always said, your last

599
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,240
name is the best calling guard that you have, don't

600
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960
try to remember it. I think if you ask people

601
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,599
in my home poker room, where I play fifteen hundred

602
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,000
hours a year, I would say probably ninety percent of

603
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:53,960
the people in my room will be like, yeah, gonna

604
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,519
ever see him get too out of line or blue.

605
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,039
And then you'll have a small percentage who are for

606
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,359
whatever reason, just don't like me. And I do my

607
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,960
best to be liked by everybody. Remember, you can be

608
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,240
competitive without being toxic, angry, caustic. You know this type

609
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:14,960
stuff like play hard, bluff, you know, value bet. You

610
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,359
know you can go tip for tat with your friends

611
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,000
a little bit if it's a really good friend of yours,

612
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,519
But no do it with somebody you don't know, because

613
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:22,519
you don't know how they're going to take it. Right,

614
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,559
Just try to remember you're at a table with a

615
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,720
bunch of strangers, usually or at least part of them

616
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,799
are strangers, and so you don't know how they're going

617
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,039
to take something, So don't give them an opportunity to

618
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,839
interpret something differently than how you set it, and try

619
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,559
to keep things fun right. Poker is supposed to be

620
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:45,160
a battle of cards, chips, math, psychology, your nerves, your wits,

621
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,480
and it should never become a battle of intimidation, threats, violence,

622
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,759
or anything like that. Take care of yourself, take care

623
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of your hand, take care of your chips, take care

624
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:58,039
of your reputation, and you should have a very long

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