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Speaker 1: Welcome to Political Beatdown. I'm Ben Macellas joined by Michael Cohen. Cohen,

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let's get into it right away, because you've known Donald

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Trump longer than really just about anyone, and in your

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past life you were there with him behind closed doors

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and you got glimpses into what was going on that

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nobody else got to see on a day to day basis,

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including by the way, most of the people, if not all,

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of the people in this current regime. So there have

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been lots of reports, including one recently by Wall Street

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Journal about Donald Trump's deteriorating health. The Wall Street Journal

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headline is a bit odd. It's like, as Donald Trump

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ages he still has defiance. And I think the Wall

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Street Journal strategy as they cover this and Donald Trump's

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connections with Epstein is they give him a headline that's

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pretty decent, but then when you actually go through the report,

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it's actually pretty bad. It's pretty brutal stuff. We're to

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actually go through it, but that that seems to be

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their move right now, which you know is it is

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what it is. But when you go through this report,

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you know, and he talks about his hands being discolored.

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He says that somebody whacked him. He says, he gets whacked,

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and because he gets whacked, he has to wear bandages.

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I'm not even sure what that even what that even means.

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He says that he blinks. You know, he takes a

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different version than what you've said, because you've said, look,

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Donald Trump closes his eyes his whole life when he's

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at these meetings. When he doesn't when it's not about him,

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he dozes off and just doesn't care and closes his

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eyes and pretends he's not there. Trump's what Trump said

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is they catch me during a blink, and it's the blink.

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And then Donald Trump said that even though he repeatedly

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said MRI, MRI, MRI on.

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Speaker 2: This show, did I not turn around and tell you

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it didn't sound like an MRI that he went for.

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Remember I said it on this show that it sounds

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more to me like a cat scan. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and he says abdominal CT scan, which it doesn't

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make it better. I mean, the CT scan uses X rays,

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MRIs use magnets. A CT scan takes about forty five seconds.

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An MRI takes about forty five minutes. And you would

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expect the president of the United States to know the

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difference between an MRI versus a CT scan. Regardless, people

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don't show up for an annual physical based on all

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of the doctors I've talked to, and the doctor goes,

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you know what you really need an abdominal X ray.

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An abdominal cat scan is not part of a normal

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you know, it's not part of a normal treatment. But

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even if you were testing it because you were worried

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about the arteries and clogged arteries which a CT scan

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could potentially detect. Back in twenty eighteen, when the when

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the doctor was the candy Man Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Indy Jackson or Johnson.

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Speaker 1: When it was when it was, when it.

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Speaker 2: Was the candy the wrong name.

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Speaker 1: Even even the even candy Man said that Remmer back

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in twenty eighteen said that Trump actually had some clogging

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and it was a problem back then. And so the

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fact that now Trump's claiming that his new doctor says

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that it was just abdominal and everything was great, that

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raises a lot of red flags right there. And you know,

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the doctors tell him you got to stop taking this

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aspirin every day because he goes, I need thin blood.

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I don't want thick blood. And and you know, he

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says he takes three hundred and fifty milligrams of aspirin

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UH every day. But Cohen, I mean, you've you're an

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objective observer of his health and and you know the

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fact from the fiction. But but even you believe that

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there's something going on here that he is that he's

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hiding based on me.

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Speaker 2: Look, let's be crystal clear about something. I'm on blood thinner,

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and you can see from my hands I have limited bruising,

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maybe bruising on my knuckles, you know, from training or

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so on. Yeah, you do get black and blue marks,

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but it's not the ongoing, repetitive in an area that

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you really don't bang. I mean, when was the last

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time that you actually banged your hand literally in the

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same spot, which is between the thumb and the pointer finger.

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It's just not really an area. So there is definitively something.

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He also is very private, so chances are he doesn't

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want anybody to know. Could it be a hernia, Could

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it be you know, could it be they were checking

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the you know, the heart and so on, you know,

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could it be the liver. That's really what the CT

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scan is for. I actually just had and when I

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said weeks ago that what it sounds like to me

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because of the timing is that doesn't sound like an MRI.

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It sounds like a CT scan. Not that I'm a doctor,

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I'm certainly not. No stradamis. I'm not a predictor. I'm

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just somebody who's actually had many MRIs, and I've also

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had many CT scans, so I knew the difference. And

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I've never been in an MRI my entire life. As

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you just said, that doesn't last at least a half

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an hour, all right, as opposed to the CT scan,

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which is really super fast. As it relates to his

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claim about aspirin and three hundred and twenty five milligram

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of aspirin every single day, I want to be emphatic

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about something, and I never say anything. And I know

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a lot of people like to turn around and have comments.

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I don't say stuff simply to say something. I'm telling

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you I watched him take a three three hundred and

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twenty five milligram bare asssprint every single day that we

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were together for over ten years. I know exactly where

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the bottle is. I know exactly it's his top left

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draw in the office, and I can tell you emphatically

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that it's in the same top left draw over there

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in the oval office, all right, every single morning. And

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it's not even the good ones too, you know, the

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ones that are codd like an advil or something like that,

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which I know it's not aspirin, I get it, but

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they do have codd ones. I was trying to make

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a point. These were like the raw, chalky ones. And

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he would take his three twenty five bare asprint every morning,

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either with his diet coke or he just put it

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in his mouth and swallow it. And I remember sitting

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in the office and I said to him, Hey, boss,

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you know by doing that you can actually cause yourself

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like esophagitis. Right, it's really not good today. You should

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really drink something with it. You want going to call

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if somebody asks you to get you a soda or

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water or something like that. He turned around, He's like,

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come on, what do you know, I've been doing it

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like that forever. I said, I don't know. You know,

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my dad is an odor layeringologist. He's an een T

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had a neck reconstructive surgeon. I'm telling you. He would

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turn around and tell you you got to actually have

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some liquid in what if your mouth is dry, you

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could get caught in your throat and cause, you know,

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a real inflammation. So he was like, all right, whatever.

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But meanwhile I watched him take that advil I'm sorry,

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that bear aspirin every single day for over a decade.

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So when he says that he takes it. Here's what

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I remember him even turn and say, ask me if

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I take it, and I said, actually I don't. At

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the time, I was on lovenox so and also Kumadin,

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so I said, no, I don't take it because I'm

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on kumiden. But let me be clear, right, I too

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have heard for many, many, many many years that people

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turn around and they say, taking one aspirin a day

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is actually good for your heart. Now, it's not supposed

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to be more than eighty two milligrams, which is the

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you know, the bare heart one, that's the small little

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bottles that have the heart on it. This one is

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the big, gigantic one hundred you know, tablet three hundred

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and twenty five miligram aspirin. Here's the question that everybody, actually,

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we have a right to know. In fact, Republicans made

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it their business to constantly, constantly be raped Joe Biden

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for the exact same thing, which is his health. And

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I believe that as president of the United States, if

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there is an issue, I think that the American people

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have an absolute right to know it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll pull up the post in a moment

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that he made this morning, but yet again he talks

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about having just here, they'll send it to you. Jeremy,

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He goes the White House doctors have just reported that

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I am in perfect health, and he puts that in quotes,

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and that I aced meaning was correct on one hundred

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percent of the questions asked for the third straight time,

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my cognitive examination, something which no other president or previous

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vice president was willing to take. Ps. I strongly believe

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that anyone running for president or vice president should be

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mandatorily forced to take a strong, meaningful, and proven cognitive examination.

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Our great country cannot be run by stupid or incompetent people. Well, look,

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taking away the words stupid or incompetent, you know, which

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we shouldn't because I don't want to refer to people

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who suffer from disabilities in any way using this term.

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you're seventy nine years old, and you don't know the

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difference at the age of seventy nine between an MRI

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and a CT scan. They're different tests.

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Speaker 2: Though I think you're assuming. I think you're also assuming

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that he wasn't lying on purpose.

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Speaker 1: Well, and many of them may be. Well, I guess

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my point is, I think we know that he's lying, right,

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it even make it worse? I guess is the point like, in.

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Speaker 2: One respect, yes, you're a thousand percent correct. Well, actually

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you can't be more than one hundred percent correct, So yes, Ben,

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you're one hundred percent correct. It is. It is bad,

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you know aspect of it, it's a very different, you

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know scenario. By not telling you even what test that

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he was going for, chances are you would not be

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able to any way shape or form figure out what

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was the purpose of the test, right, Because an MRI

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is a much more in depth It really gets into

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the muscle tissue, the layers, and so it shows much

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much more than a CT scan. So what he was

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doing is trying to throw you off in terms of

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the reason he was there.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the clip of him when he said MRI, MRI, MRI.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: Who watch this when he's asked about the MRI that

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he got when he was on Air Force one. Here

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play this club.

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Speaker 3: Because it's part of my physical. Getting an MRI is

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very standard. Why you think I shouldn't have it?

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Speaker 2: Other people got it. I had an MRI, is what Historius?

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Speaker 1: I had an MRI.

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Speaker 4: The doctor said it was the best result he has

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ever seen as a doctor. That said, but I had

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an MRI as part of my standard yearly or everyone

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I think they do it every two years, but I

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have the physical every year and the result was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Did you know, art?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyze,

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they analyzed it well. And they said that I had

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as good a result as.

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if that doesn't right, I don't know

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what they analyzed, but they analyzed something. Whatever they analyzed

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was perfect. I'm the greatest. It's it's all good, right,

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I mean, it's it's it's silly right in and of itself.

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I believe that a president should have to disclose if

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there's an issue he chooses not to. And yes, by

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the way, a couple of people writing that in their comments,

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he is a terrible liar. He's really not good at it.

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You know, you would think that somebody that you know,

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let's just say over indulges, right it, should be an

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expert at it. He's really not. I mean, just turned

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around and say, you know, I'm not discussing whatever what

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was done, whatever it was done, you know, but instead,

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as you said, Ben, you know, he must have said

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the word MRI a dozen times.

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Speaker 1: In like seconds.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense. But you know, I want

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people to also understand, how does this really change anything

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that's going on? They continued, Venezuelan strikes against boats. How

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does this change anything with the Epstein file, with the economy,

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with you know, affordability, How does it affect what's going

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with Iran? It doesn't affect anything. And you know when

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people say, well, he shouldn't be taking a span without

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a doctor's you know, say so the three hundred and

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twenty five milligram tablet, that's one tablet that he's that

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he's taking. You buy that over the counter? All right?

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Should he probably be doing it? Probably not right, you know,

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probably not. But he's been doing it his whole entire life.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I have literally watched this guy at eight o'clock in

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the morning when we would sit together Monday through Friday,

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not including of course, when we were traveling, and I

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would watch him take that bay asked for in that

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three twenty five milligram every single day. You know, Is

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it causing the discoloration and the bruising and so on

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on the hand? No? All right, is Caroline machine gun

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lips lying Levitt, you know, telling the truth when she

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says it's because he shakes so many people's hands his

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hands bruised. No again, right, it's is it an infusion?

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So it's funny. I was talking to my brother in law.

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the top five micro hand surgeons in the country before

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he just retired. Let me say this. I asked him

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that question, and he turned around and he said to me,

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I don't think so. I don't think so. First of all,

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they would not put it back in the same spot

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when you have that kind of bruising because it's unnecessary pain.

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the way that the press picks up on him with

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his say, left hand, He's constantly covering his right hand

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now and so on. So if this was some sort

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of an ivy, you know, he probably would do it

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in the you know, in the arm or someplace where

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you wouldn't be able to see it. So again, when

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I asked my brother, I actually have absolutely no idea.

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But we really shouldn't even be like with the Epstein file,

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we shouldn't be guessing. Everything should be transparent.

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Speaker 1: But that's the point though, when you said, what does

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this have to do with Venezuela affordability covering up Epstein?

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Iran Ukraine people can't afford homes, ninety nine percent of

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the country is being really harmed by this economy, What

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is it have to do with And I think it

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does in the sense that everything this regime does is

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a cover up, is a scam, is a lie. And

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so it's just another data point in the most basic

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of things, where if you can't level with me about

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the most basic thing, you can't level with me about anything.

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If you think that I am so stupid that I'm

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gonna listen to you say you've got whacked on your

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hand and that that explains what you did, or that

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you don't know the difference between an MRI and the

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ct scam. You think that we're all just so stupid.

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And that's a broader trend in this regime because Trump

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is used to his maga zombifide mush brain followers you

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know who behave the way maga Mike Johnson does, who

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know better? And they're like, oh, okay, what it is?

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Speaker 2: And this is all ego driven, by the way, Ben,

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it's all ego driven. You're seventy nine, soon to be

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eighty years of age. I'm fifty nine, all right, I

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come clean. I turn around and I say to people,

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I'm on, I'm on eloquist. Why I have clotting issues?

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All right? I blew a whole series of DVTs that

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almost ended my life with pulmonary embolists. I come clean.

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I'm fifty nine years old, right, He who happens to

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be twenty years older than I, you know, So let's

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say hypothetically he had a abdominal hernia. Big shit, right,

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I mean, show me somebody who's eighty years old that

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doesn't have something going on. Little arthritis here and there. Right,

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you know, you could have abdominal hernie, You could have

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a million and one different things. We all know that

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at one point he had most surgery. Okay, big fucking deal.

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This shit happens. Everybody has something. We all live with

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herniated or bulging or fractured discs in our in our back.

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That's simple because we stand up, right, I mean, everybody

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has something, So why why fight it? Then?

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Speaker 1: That is the same point issue.

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Speaker 2: That's the issue, well it.

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Speaker 1: You know, But it's the same thing with that because

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there's because you can only come to the conclusion that

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whatever it is, it must be very bad. Right, at

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some point you have to reach the adverse inference, because otherwise,

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why fight it unless it's something really bad?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: On Epstein, Donald Trump posted before back in twenty twenty four,

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twenty twenty five, he said, I've never been on the

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Epstein jet before, when we know he's been on the

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jet over and over again. When he's presented with the

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birthday card that he sent Epstein in two thousand and

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three for Epstein's fiftieth birthday, which is his handwriting, his signature.

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You've showed the letters that you have with that again,

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you know, there's so many data points. He goes, that's

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not my letter, that's not my signature. So Epstein and

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Gilaane compile I held a book. Everybody else who's in

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there confirmed that it's theirs. But someone time traveled back

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and put it in the book that's by the Epstein

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estate to frame you thinking you were going to become

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a Republican president because he was a Democrat back then

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before that, you know, and and so that was the

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you know, that was the plan. And so when you

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start to go down that path, and when he goes, oh,

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well we've released all of the files or Epstein's a hoax,

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or it's all a democratic witch hunt or whatever it is,

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you know, you start to say you must be hiding

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the worst of the worst. Then you take a look

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at the Wall Street Journal report that just came out,

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and again they gave him a headline that if he

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were to read it, Donald would go, oh, you see,

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I kicked the guy out in two thousand and three

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from the spot because the Wall Street Journal headlines like

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the last incident that led to Trump kicking the guy

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out of the spot. But then when you read the article,

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you go Epstein every and went to the SPA. The

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SPA went to Epstein. The issue was throughout the nineties.

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According to all of the people who were interviewed as

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for part of this article, Trump was sending these SPA staff,

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the employees, the messusus, the manicurists, whoever there was, sending

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them to Epstein's two miles away in West Palm Beach,

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and they would go to Epstein's house and Epstein, the

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way they describe it in the journal article was that

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Epstein would engage in sexually suggestive conduct is how they

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described me.

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Speaker 2: What does that even sexually assault?

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Speaker 1: To them? You think that's hands and he was actually assaulted.

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That's what you would do.

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Speaker 2: Of course. By the way, you know, one of our brigaders,

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Mark actually summed it up exactly the way I was

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thinking it. The reason that Trump does what he does

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because whatever the condition is that he's hiding, it's a

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crack in his armor. It's a sign of weakness, and

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he can't stand it.

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Speaker 1: All right, what he but in doing that right, looks

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weaker though like and it's the authoritarian mindset though, because

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the level of weakness that he shows right now is

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one of the is one of the big issues. Like internationally,

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when Trump goes, I did a trillion dollar deal with

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this country, and and I did a two trillion dollar

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deal with katar It's like their entire annual GDP is

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one hundred and forty five million dollars. You couldn't do

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a trillion dollar deal with them, I believe you.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to give you eight and a half

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years worth of their GDP?

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Speaker 1: Like what do you think that they think in that country,

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whether it's Katar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, European Union, the UK

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when they see Donald Trump hold up fake paper that's

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you know, I mean paper, but like that doesn't even

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have words on it and goal or here's the deal, everybody,

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here's the deal. Or when Trump's like I stopped this war.

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I stopped that war. Look, Thailand and Cambo deal, I

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stopped it. What do you think that Thailand and Cambodia

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really think of him? I'll tell you what they think

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of him. How can we manipulate this idiot to help us?

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So Cambodia is like, all right, the guy wants to

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claim that, you know, he's he's gotting peace, Let's use

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him against Thailand. And Thailand's like, we've been long allied

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with the US and now you're gonna you just want

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a Nobel Peace Prize. Think about the irreparable harm Donald

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Trump did to the United States relationship with India by

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siding with Pakistan because Pakistan said they were gonna give

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him he should get a Nobel Peace Prize for him

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claiming he solved the war which he didn't solve, and

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Prime Minister Modi saying, I can't give you that, w Donald,

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because you didn't do it. And it's a major issue

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of our sovereignty in India that we were the ones

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and I bilateral way that dealt with Pakistan after terrorist

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attacks in Kashmir and we can't give you that. We

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just can't say you did something.

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Speaker 2: I think you have as much right to that Nobel

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Peace Prize as he does, if not more so. So

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I'm I'm with you on that one.

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Speaker 1: But the point, you know, the the data point on health,

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the data point on health though needs to be connected

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to all of these things, and ultimately it needs to

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be connected to what is this regime doing and the

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purpose of government right should be to help people, and

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we get so far astray because of the way corporate

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media covers things as this dystopian reality TV show of

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a former reality TV star, right like it becomes.

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Speaker 2: That, but that gets enhanced ben By, and this is

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going to be a plug once again for Midas Touch Network.

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How important it is as we now start twenty twenty

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six to help to grow independent media like Midas Touched,

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where truth matters. So I'm watching on television today, cable news,

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and they bring up doctors, and first of all, there's

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nothing that. But I come from a family of doctors

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and lawyers. I have my father, my mother medical, My

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dad's a surgeon, my mom surgical nurse, my brother in law,

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my cousins I mean doctors, my uncle doctor. The rest

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of us are all lawyers. And I want to be

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clear about something. Never would any of them the doctors

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go on television and give a prognosis on somebody that

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they did not examine. All right, they just wouldn't do

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something like that. It'd be like Ben if I asked

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you what's the answer to the mathematical equation and you say, okay,

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what's the what showed me the equation? No, no, no,

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just give it. Just give me an answer. You say,

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I don't know eighteen. No, the answer is six. All right.

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You're like, well, how the fuck am I supposed to know? Well,

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that's the problem. How do you know if you didn't

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have a chance to examine him? They come on television

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because they obviously, you know, are following a a script,

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whether it's pro Trump or anti Trump, and they start

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talking like this doctor starts talking about how there's no

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way in the world that Donald Trump was taking an

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aspen three twenty five every single day. Nobody does that.

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Nobody would do that. I watched him do it for

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a decade plus, So don't tell me. I'm sitting there

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and I'm like, why are they promoting this false narrative?

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Why not promote the narrative that Ben and I are promoting,

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which is required transparency. You know, if there is a

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real issue, okay, let us know. Let us know. By

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the way, president of the United States has the greatest

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medical care of anybody in the world. So if there's

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an issue, I'm certain somebody in that organization over there

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figure out exactly what needs to be done. There's definitively

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nothing terminal that's going on here, all right, It wouldn't

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be terminal by looking at that mark on his hand

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and so on. So let's just stop, all right. Facts matter,

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and you know what, because we deal and we are

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living right now currently. In fact, it's why Midas Touched

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network is taking off. It's the number one independent news source,

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bigger in fact than CNNMSNBC and Fox as well. And

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there's a reason for it because people don't want to

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be lied to anymore. That you can go watch you

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can read in half of these newspaper articles. You want

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to get lied to, go watch those, go read those,

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but not here. You know, sure it's easy. Oh you know,

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I don't know. I'm telling you for a fact, he

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took those Bear aspirins every single day. If I literally

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walked into his Trump office on the twenty sixth floor

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right now, I guarantee I'll show you there's a bottle

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of that Bear three twenty five aspirink. In fact, if

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I was able to get him on television right now

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or on a video call, I would turn and say,

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open up the top left draw. He always keeps it

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to his left. I don't know why. He's a creature

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of habit, plain and simple. Was he taking it? Yes,

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question becomes why is he taking it? Because somebody years ago,

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many years ago, it's an older generational thing that aspirint

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is good for your heart. Ultimately it was proven to

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be not accurate. But he's a creature of habit and

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he'll never stop it. What's causing those bruising, that's the question,

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plain and simple.

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Speaker 1: And why was he getting an MRI and a CT scan,

476
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What were the actual results of it. Why aren't you

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producing it? Why aren't you producing the video of the

478
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double tap and the double strike. After the initial crimes

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against humanity? I like that you don't call them war

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crimes because we're not at a war with Venezuela. But

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you know, the whole operation is a crime against humanity.

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It's obviously a war crime. But that accepts that there's

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a war when there's basically Trump just killing people and

484
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our government in the name of the United States killing

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people off the coast of Venezuela. Now we also learn

486
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New York Times at a good report on this that

487
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at least one of the boats that washed up on

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the shore of Columbia it had marijuana in it and

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not cocaine, and not fent andyl carried with it marijuana.

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And there have been over one hundred people that the

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United States government has murdered, and they're going to continue

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murdering more and more and more. And it's going to

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be one of those stories in a few years where

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we actually learn what's happening and what happened. And I

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think we already know where people will be held I think,

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responsible for murder, and these people will go on trial

497
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for murder. You know, Trump will pardon everybody in his regime.

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Everybody will get a blanket parted. But that's not going

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to stop state crimes. And that's not going to stop

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international international tribe, you know, international tribunal. So you know,

501
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when we talk though about what's impacting the American people

502
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and and everything is a cover up. Everything is a lie.

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We remember back in May when Donald Trump said prescription

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drug prices, the costs of prescription drug prices would be

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on a Most Favored Nation status m f N. And

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for those who have drafted contracts before, sometimes if you're

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representing a client and you want your client to make

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sure that they get treated the best, right, Let's say

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I represent a superstar client. I will put in a

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mf N clause, a most Favored Nations clause in my

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agreement for my client to basically say, to whoever I'm

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doing the deal with, you have to guarantee me that

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no one does better than my client on any of

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these terms. It's a great catch all. So I'm sure

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Trump knows that term most Favored Nations from the real

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estate deals that he does. And so he wants an

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MFN for pharmaceutical companies, which, in theory would be great.

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Could you imagine?

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Speaker 2: Would not who he would not applaud that?

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Speaker 1: And Trump said that by executive order mid May that

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pharmaceutical companies would sell their drugs to the United States

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on an MFN basis, a most Favored Nation basis. So

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that means drug companies selling drug X to Canada for

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fifty cents, it's now fifty cents in the United States.

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Drug company Y is selling its cancer drug in I

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don't know, in Europe for two bucks. United States gets

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the most favor Nations two bucks. Wouldn't that be great?

528
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Trump said he did it. Trump says that that exists

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right now, and that's one of the reasons. He says

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that drug prices are down five hundred and six hundred,

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one thousand percent, when things can't even go down that

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percentage unless the drug companies are paying you the money.

533
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But here's the actual percent. He said, one thousand percent,

534
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three thousand percent. But the actual fact is the following

535
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that drug prices are actually significantly up year over year.

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Drug makers raise US prices on three hundred and fifty medicines,

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and it says despite pressure from Trump. So in twenty

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twenty five that number was two hundred and fifty medicines

539
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had price increases. Now it's three hundred and fifty, and

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the median list price increase is four percent. So year

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over year, drug prices increasing. And doesn't that four percent

542
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number sound familiar? That's the way inflation is right now generally,

543
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so it's increasing. That number doesn't come out of nowhere, right.

544
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The drug companies said, all right, what's the inflation? How

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much can we push it? What's the inflation number. Let's

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do four percent, let's add three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Did you see my substat ben today which I called

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instead of MFN most Favored Nation, I called MFN most

549
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fool nation Because think about what's been going on right

550
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,079
Trump waves MFN like it's some victory flag reporters. All

551
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of his acolytes, enablers, they sit there and they applaud Americans.

552
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We hoped, we hoped, every single one of us wants

553
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to pay less for our medication. Right. But pharma, as

554
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Ben just said, and as he just showed you, they

555
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,759
raised prices anyway, proving proving that Trump's bold words, his

556
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chest thumping, and these headlines, they never buy actual leverage

557
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or relief. It's all a bunch of bullshit.

558
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Speaker 1: So what they do is right. So Trump always talks

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about his fat friend that he has, you know, is

560
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the story that he tells, I've got a fat friend

561
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who's on the fat drug. That's what he says, you know,

562
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to refer to ozempic and all those drugs. He calls

563
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it the fat drug. And he goes, I have a

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fat friend on the fat drug. So to help that

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friend or whatever, who's already a billionaire. Based on Trump's story,

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Trump gets the pharmaceutical companies to show up and agree

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that they are going to lower the price of ozempic

568
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and all those other drugs. Basically, right now, those companies

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are already lowering the prices striking deals in Europe and

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China that are already far lower. So they were already

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moving to lower the prices, especially as these compound generics

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have brought down the prices as well. So it was

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part of their business plan to bring it down anyway.

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So they give Trump the win. Trump gets to call

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it trump RX where he's announcing these drug price website

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that he names after himself. And so they give him

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that announcement, and then what do they do. They raise

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the prices on three hundred and fifty other drugs, including

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life saving camp drugs and all this other stuff that

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people need.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what RSV, shingle vaccines, cancer drugs fall increase,

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like Pfizer's eyebrands and so on, these everyday medications that

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people need to survive. Now it's four percent more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also you know Trump talks about ah, I

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did this great deal with Jizingping. Under the deal, China

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will buy in twenty twenty five eleven point five million

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,960
metric tons of soy beans. They've never bought so much

588
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soy beans. Yes, they did. Actually under Biden they bought

589
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twenty seven million metric tons, which is sixteen million metric tons.

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More so by your own admission, your deal is sixteen

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million metric tons less. But guess what Cohen. Twenty twenty

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five is over. You want to know how many soybean

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med million metric tons China bought in twenty twenty five,

594
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,840
less than a million, less than a min million in total.

595
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The year is over. But I'll tell you what China

596
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did at the end of twenty twenty five. In addition

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to launch its most aggressive military tests around Taiwan in

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coordination with Kim Jong un, they raised the tariffs on

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American beef exporters into China to help out Australian beef makers,

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Argentinian beefmake cattle ranchers, Brazilian cattle ranchers, and they increased

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their tariffs on American beef. And they've kept their export

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controls on their rare earth elements that they according to

603
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Trump's deal where no one saw the paperwork for this deal.

604
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Donald Trump say they're going to release all the rare earths.

605
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But what they did get from Donald Trump is an

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agreement that Nvidia would sell them all of our top

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00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,679
chips to China. And then what China did was they

608
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took exactly what you predicted one or two of them.

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Why would we want all of your chips? You just

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want to analyze just what one look like.

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Speaker 2: Give us do in case, give us two, in case

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one of our idiots.

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Speaker 1: Fun take two of them. We'll give them to Huaweih.

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We'll have our own company copy them. And now we've

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00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,599
got them. Oh and you said, oh, well, you're not

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going to give your number one state of the art

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chips to China. Well guess where they gave their state

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of the art chip to Saudi Arabia. You think Saudi

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Arabia didn't turn around, you don't get that chip to China.

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Speaker 2: It's so true. And I just want to touch on

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something before we get off of the whole pharmaceutical issue

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and so on. You know, there were a few price

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cuts in pharma, I think, if I'm not mistaken, it

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was around nine drugs in total, one of which was

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that Jardiance, which is the diabetes medication, saw a major reduction.

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But here's the reason why, something that few people are

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actually talking about, but we do right here, right here

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on Political beat Down with my co host bend myself.

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We will talk about why it's because the government negotiated

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it directly for Medicare, not because Trump pressured anybody, but

631
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because the law forced it. And that's what my friend's

632
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,639
leverage actually looks like. It doesn't involve press conferences or

633
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chest thumping or bringing people into the office in order

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to give you more gold or you know, or some

635
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,840
other trinket to hang around your neck. No, it's them

636
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,599
saying your numbers cannot rise faster than inflation. Because remember

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about a decade ago, these pharmaceutical companies exploded in terms

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00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,119
of price. Well, that is now not legal. So what

639
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,079
Trump is offering, all right, is not what they're trying

640
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,760
to put out there. It's completely and totally different when

641
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you have the government, which is like, for example, why

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Canada pays so much less for the same medication literally

643
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across the border than we do here. Actually, I believe

644
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that America pays three times more than any other wealthy nation.

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Speaker 1: Does everybody understand the I'm sure lots of people do,

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But does everybody understand that concept though, because I think

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sometimes we talk so fast and when people talk about

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single payer and all of these things, like what that

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00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,519
actually means, right, So, like with medicare, if you had

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medicare for all the way Biden was actually able to

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bring down drug prices is he allowed the government to

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negotiate directly on a series of drugs with the insurance

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companies and basically said, look, as a single payer, as

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one payer the government, right, if you don't agree to

655
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,159
our prices on this, that and the other, we're just

656
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not going to buy the drugs and we represent However,

657
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many millions of people are on medicare, right, I mean

658
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thirty to forty. I don't know what the number is.

659
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I'll go look up the number. So the market effect

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of a single payer negotiator is saying we're going to

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bring the prices down basically if you want to survive. Now,

662
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the insurance companies can then fight back and say, okay,

663
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we're calling your bluff. Good luck, We're not going to

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We're not going to sell our cancer drug or our

665
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HIV drug or whatever drug at the price okay. So

666
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you stare each other down, and at some point, for

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that pharmaceutical company that has shareholders, if the bluff gets called,

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they're not meeting their quarter and their stock is going

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to and their stock is going to plummet. For these

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specific drugs and for these pharmaceutical companies. So if you

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negotiate with the drug makers, not the insurance, the drug makers,

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you can lower you know, you lower their prices. What

673
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Trump is suggesting, he doesn't have a plan, but what

674
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he suggests that let's give the American people two thousand

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bucks and then let the American people individually, Joe from Nebraska,

676
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Jane from Kentucky, Right, Jennifer from Idaho, negotiate with you.

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Name it Astrosenica or whoever, and tell me how you

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think that negotiations. Hello, who's calling. This is Joe from Idaho,

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and I think I'm paying too much money for X,

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Y and Z. Can you lower it?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you even get you get through to them.

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So fundamentally in this single pay or you've got the

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government negotiating the lower prices.

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Speaker 2: Sixty seven point three million people in as of April

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of twenty twenty four, we're enrolled in Medicare. I suspect

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it's probably closer now to say, been d million. That's

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a lot of people. That's a pretty big market.

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Speaker 1: Look in, America is really one of the only countries

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in the world that has this bizarre system where there's

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all of these insurance companies out there, and you often

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get it through your work, and that insurance is something

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that like the money, the money's taken out of your

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check or the employer pays for it as part of

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your job. And there are private markets and they could

696
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in the past deny on pre existing conditions before Obamacare,

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where healthcare is not a human rights. That's a concept

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that's unique in the United States and it's deeply problematic.

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So you know, it's interesting that the right wing will

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say ah Medicare for all is radical. You know, all

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the right wing parties right whether it's even for most

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of the time, the Conservative Party in Canada because Pierre

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Poliev there right now is a little bit maple maga,

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and I think if you were to put in right

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now a Polliev in Canada, he would destroy a lot

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of the social contracts with the people in Canada. But

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in any event, you know, the right wing party in

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the UK right, the right wing parties in Australia, the

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right wing which is the Liberal Party, not the Labor Party,

710
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the right wing party in you know, AOC would kind

711
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,880
of be in some of these countries viewed as kind

712
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,239
of moderate to right wing based on some of the

713
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,320
things that she said, which is an interesting concept, but

714
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here in the US that's viewed as so radical. So

715
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I want to show everybody this because Zoron mom Donnie's

716
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,239
inauguration speech. I'm not sure if you saw it, Coen,

717
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we had it here. I watched, you know. And when

718
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,559
you just watch his speech, in contrast to what Trump

719
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is saying, when Zoron goes up now or going to

720
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,320
have to deliver, he knows he's gonna have to deliver,

721
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,960
right He has a bold agenda, bold promises, and a

722
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lots writing on it. Because I think there are a

723
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lot of people who want him to succeed, and a

724
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,519
lot of people on the right root and for his

725
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,320
failure right now to say, see, we told you that

726
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,760
can't be done. But when he's speaking, what he's saying

727
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to me sounds the least radical out there. Like let

728
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me show you what he said in his speech, that

729
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I will be the mayor for all people, whether you

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voted for me or not. Let's play this click.

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Speaker 5: I stand alongside over one million New Yorkers who voted

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for this day nearly two months ago, and I stand

733
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just as resolutely alongside those who did not. I know

734
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there are some who view this administration with distrust or disdain,

735
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or who see politics as permanently broken and while only

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action can change minds. I promise you this, If you

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are a New Yorker, I am your mayor. Regardless of

738
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whether we agree, I will protect you, celebrate with you,

739
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mourn alongside you, and never not for a second hide

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from you.

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Speaker 1: Let me show you.

742
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Speaker 2: You gotta honestly give the guy a lot of props. Right,

743
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Kem's out of nowhere, the youngest in over one hundred years.

744
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,800
It's about twenty two decrees outside, and he has a

745
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full park there. You know, to hear him speak, to

746
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watch him get inaugurated, you got to give him credit

747
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for that. Now, I do believe, as you just said,

748
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he has a l hell of a ladder so to

749
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speak to climb because some of the things he ran

750
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on are just simply impossible to deliver on. But the

751
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doesn't mean that you don't want to see him succeed

752
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as a New Yorker, right as a New York City

753
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,559
height I want to see. I want to see my

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mayor succeed, whether he's Democrat, Republican or independent. I mean,

755
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why would you want to see the same way I

756
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,360
want to see our president succeed. Unfortunately, we're in a

757
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,039
situation where, you know, what he's what our president is

758
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:28,599
doing just is not making us successful. And so we

759
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,000
need to talk about it. And by the way, as

760
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Mandani tries to get things done, rest assured, I'll be

761
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,199
talking about that too. I will be praising his successes

762
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and I will be criticizing the errors, just as I

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do everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'll show you what Bernie Sanders had to say during

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his speech about demanding that the wealthy and large corporations

766
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pay their fair shore share should not be viewed as

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radical at all.

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Speaker 6: Your play this clip, sleep and maybe most importantly, demanding

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that the wealthy and large corporations.

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Speaker 7: Start paying their fair share of toxins. As I was saying,

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demanding that the wealthy and large corporations start paying their

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fair share of toxines, it's not radical.

773
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Speaker 6: It is exactly the right.

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Speaker 5: Thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But here's the problem that needs to be on

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a federal basis. Let me be crystal clear, just as

777
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soon as the tax breaks in Trump one came about

778
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what happened here in New York, there were at one

779
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point in time, and I'm going to make up the

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number three hundred billionaires that lived in Manhattan proper. And

781
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as soon as those opportunities came, each and every one

782
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of them, from our president all the way down to

783
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the next billionaire, they all changed their primary address and

784
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they became citizens, whether it's of Puerto Rico where there's

785
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no tax, or Florida where there's no city or state tax,

786
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and they all left. So that's great, that's great. Assuming

787
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this is on a federal level. On a Manhattan level, well,

788
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you already chased all the billionaires out. By the way,

789
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they're not wrong, all right. They were paying less in

790
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:09,280
terms of taxes than there, you know, than their employees,

791
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then their secretaries, and you're talking about guys who were

792
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making you know, a billion dollars a year plus plus plus.

793
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It's one hundred percent correct. It's just you need to

794
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do it on a federal level, not on a city

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or a state level.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you need to do it on all

797
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of the above, and city, state, federal should be working

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hand in hand. And I think we'd like to see

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local governments be laboratories for success versus laboratories for autocracy.

800
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And David Pepper coined that term former head of the

801
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Democratic Party in Ohio, who's a good friend of mine.

802
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Laboratories of autocracy. We used to view states as laboratories

803
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,559
for experimentation to improve democracy. But what you've seen in tennessee,

804
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,519
what you see in Florida, what you see in Texas

805
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:10,559
are ways to experiment. How do we mimic the type

806
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of legislative surrender to an authoritarian governor or a right

807
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,400
wing fascist agenda that we see with the Russian Duma,

808
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,519
what we see in or on, what we see in

809
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:30,119
you know, in China, North Korea and Hungary, you know,

810
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,760
and in places and in places like that, and you know,

811
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,519
these aggressive state level gerrymandering efforts. But you know, look,

812
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:47,039
I think that running on hope and empathy and collectivism

813
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,400
over rigid individualism, on making the rich pay their fair share,

814
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believe that's radical at all. I think that that's a legiment.

815
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Speaker 2: I just jump into that for one very quick second

816
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,840
with a hypothetical. Stay with me on this one. So

817
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,760
imagine God willing you make something your your salary, with

818
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,440
your bonuses and everything. Let's say two hundred million dollars,

819
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,840
all right, And I think everybody would turn around and say, yeah,

820
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,400
that could be a pretty good year, right, And let's

821
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:25,239
say your taxable consequence is on that federal let's just

822
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:32,280
say it's seventy million dollars. You can now under the

823
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,360
tax code pay zero on that two hundred million dollars

824
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,519
on the seventy million dollars that you should have paid

825
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:47,239
if you buy an airplane. So you now improve your life.

826
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,480
I mean, I don't understand this. To me, it's as

827
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:55,800
stupid as allowing our members of Congress to insider trade.

828
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,159
Instead of paying Uncle Sam seventy million and say buy

829
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,599
you now, all you have to do is buy G G,

830
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,079
a G five, a G six right aircraft for seventy

831
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:15,559
million dollars, and you could depreciate that aircraft in one year,

832
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,880
two years, ten years, fifteen years, I think is the

833
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,159
max something like that. So now instead of giving Uncle

834
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,239
Sam that seventy million, which would be used, of course

835
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,480
in order to support programs and the country and so on,

836
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:36,320
you've now just now enhanced their life because now they

837
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,159
don't have to go to airports and sit and wait

838
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,360
like the rest of us. They just jump onto their aircraft.

839
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,559
And you know the part that really infuriates me the

840
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,719
most is they then put it into this pool where

841
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,239
people also who make a lot of money but don't

842
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,440
want to own the aircraft are now chartering it, so

843
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,559
they actually make money off of the plane that you

844
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:07,519
and I ended up paying for because they didn't have

845
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:11,960
to pay the taxes. Again, I just get so I

846
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,000
get so infuriated. You know, at one point in time,

847
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,679
you were also allowed to do that with golf club

848
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,679
memberships like amar A Lago or any of his other

849
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:23,920
golf courses. In fact, you were allowed to do the

850
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,960
same thing with with yachts. I think they did away

851
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,880
with the yachts and the golf course exclusion, but that

852
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,880
may be coming back to but the aircraft and other

853
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,159
sorts of things. None of this makes any sense to

854
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,440
me if, in fact, you know, as Bernie says, that

855
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,800
you need to tax the rich, that the rich should

856
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,719
be paying their fair share, which I'm certain one hundred

857
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,199
percent every person in this in this subs in this

858
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,199
political beatdown live has to agree with.

859
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that's where people agree with,

860
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,159
you know, and so all of these culture wars, you know,

861
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,719
when the Trump's latest target, and you know, we could

862
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,480
do a whole show on this. So I'll just very

863
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,280
briefly mention it here, although it deserves a lot more attention.

864
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,360
Go after the Somalis. All the Somalians are bad. Ignore

865
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,599
the fact that it was actually a white lady who

866
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:24,960
was the one who was the ringleader of all of

867
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,119
this and Somalia. You know, they do this very skewed

868
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,440
and kind of fabricated video that Elon musk amplifies. And

869
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,159
again that's not to say that there's no fraud. There

870
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,519
is fraud. It was being prosecuted by former President Biden,

871
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:43,480
multiple convictions. Fraud exists in every state. Fraud should be

872
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,519
prosecuted fully. One of the problems is that Trump regime

873
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:51,800
is actually pardoning the fraudsters versus the opposite. And they're

874
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,559
helping the fraudsters. But you know, they want us divide it.

875
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,679
You know, they want to pit religions against each other.

876
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,840
They want to pit against each other based on religion

877
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,199
and and and attacking marginalized communities and attack you know,

878
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,639
and all these culture war issues and this and that,

879
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,920
and and the whole goal of it is to do

880
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:19,280
the blocking and tackling for the billionaires and the deca millionaires.

881
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,760
One of the reasons they like Trump is that he's

882
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,400
a weapon of mass distraction while they sneak in the

883
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,239
back and pick your pockets and further enrich themselves. I mean,

884
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,239
they've increased their wealth by trillions while you are while

885
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,880
the rest of the people are suffering and fighting over

886
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,360
you know, the the culture war issues that are thrown

887
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,599
out there. And when you think about it like that,

888
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,960
you know, state regime media, Newsmax, Fox, Newsmax, all these things,

889
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:55,559
you know, sowing cultural discord, having everybody fight while while

890
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,800
those hosts are super rich, and while they're at the

891
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,480
Marra a Lago party, and they're at the Golden ballrooms,

892
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,880
and and and and the caviare and and and and

893
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,599
and all of that. So just you know, they hate

894
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:12,679
the term woke because when you are woke, when you

895
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,239
see what's actually happening, you realize this is an effort

896
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,840
of the billionaires to enrich themselves by screwing over everybody

897
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,320
else who they try to distract with culture war issues. Cohen,

898
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,639
before we go, two finger.

899
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: Salute, Yeah, two fingers salute. Uh. It's sort of like

900
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,559
a tough one today because as always, you know, it's

901
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:40,199
so easy just to give it to the president himself.

902
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,519
I got to tell you the two fingers salute goes

903
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,760
to all of these pieces of shit who decided that

904
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,159
it was okay to go tomorrow Lago, to party up

905
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,519
like you know that for the New Year, you know,

906
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,960
drowning themselves in caviar and champagne, with the ice sculptures,

907
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,559
with the marrow Lago face. You know, that's where you

908
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:09,039
pay a doctor to take away any expression that you

909
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:11,800
could ever have. And you sit there and you say

910
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:18,639
to yourself, you know, I'm not anti rich, I'm not

911
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:25,119
anti capitalism. What I'm anti is taking advantage of the

912
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:32,159
system so that you actually pay nothing right. And the

913
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:34,119
purpose of you paying nothing is so that you can

914
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:36,920
go ahead and buy yourself another house or another. You

915
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,440
see the numbers that are coming out of all this

916
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,760
two million, two and a half million for a painting

917
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:50,679
by somebody. There, the the vulgarness of the group, while

918
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,679
so many Americans can't afford to put food on the table,

919
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,559
to send their kids to school with a full with

920
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,920
a full belly. You know, it's it's absurd. And to

921
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,639
all of those that thought that it was okay, to

922
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,280
all of them that you sat there partying like this,

923
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:14,719
No tomorrow, you know, we're great. Fuck the rest, no,

924
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:19,360
fuck you all, all right, they absolutely deserve it.

925
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:22,960
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926
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twenty twenty six. We're going to start off twenty twenty

938
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six strong. I have a lot of great announcements that

939
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Midas will be rolling out, including I'm like the worst

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at at hiding the secrets. We're going to be doing

941
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a lot more stuff in DC itself. I'll just leave

942
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it at that, and building out a team of reporters

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at the Capitol Building. As Midas continues to expand, I

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want our DC Bureau to rival what you see in

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cable and corporate news in terms of the actual on

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the ground assets in dcs as well. So that's a

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big initiative that I guess I can discuss, but I'll

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be announcing more next week when we announce our DC

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Bureau chief and what we're doing out there. So thanks

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everybody for watching hit Subscribe. Let's get to six million.

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We appreciate you, and shout out beat Down Brigaders and

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shout out Midas Mighty.