Speaker 1: O friend of the are, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob and today for the first time, and actually,
Speaker 2: I don't know why it took so long to get
Speaker 2: you guys on this show. We've talked to you a
Speaker 2: couple of times and other circles and on your show,
Speaker 2: but for the very first time, Welcome to the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy, the Legit Bat Podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you very much. Cheers ourselves since nobody's clapping.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, you got it.
Speaker 3: I think it took a while though, because I know
Speaker 3: we talked to you guys several years ago. I think
Speaker 3: it's been like three years. And then I was looking
Speaker 3: through old like we said on the show we did
Speaker 3: with you guys, I was looking through shows and I'm like, shit,
Speaker 3: we haven't got them on in a while. So, you know,
Speaker 3: for your listeners, we had you on our channel a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago and it was super fun. So
Speaker 3: thanks for having us on because this will be great.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, no, of course it will be. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's just how it is over here, especially you guys
Speaker 2: and then mixing with us. It's just I don't know,
Speaker 2: where it's going to go. We didn't really go into
Speaker 2: this with a topic in mind, but we are all
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists, and I'm sure something.
Speaker 1: Will come up.
Speaker 2: I was actually listening to your show earlier, as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, and you had a guest on not
Speaker 2: that long. It was like your second to last podcast,
Speaker 2: and it was the guy who wrote a funny thing
Speaker 2: happened on the Way that on the Way to the
Speaker 2: Moon and Bart Sebrell, My god, what a stud that
Speaker 2: guy is.
Speaker 3: He's awesome. I that was on my list and I
Speaker 3: finally got contact infox for him, and for some reason
Speaker 3: he said he'd come on our show. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but I was stoked that he did. So we actually
Speaker 3: want to have him back on and see, you know,
Speaker 3: if there's any you know, updates or whatever. Everybody asked
Speaker 3: the same questions to these types of people like Bart
Speaker 3: sebral I guess has been on Rogan. I didn't even
Speaker 3: know that when I scheduled him. So he's been on
Speaker 3: like some big ship and then he comes on our
Speaker 3: stupid show and I'm like, uh, what do I even
Speaker 3: ask this guy? Like? Is the earth flat?
Speaker 1: He did you ask him?
Speaker 4: With that?
Speaker 3: Not in so many words, but I I kind of
Speaker 3: alluded to it near the end, and he was like
Speaker 3: basically like, no, the Earth is not flat. Like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll leave that for you to debate with somebody else.
Speaker 3: I'm not the guy for this.
Speaker 5: He's got other stuff going on though, to worry about
Speaker 5: the shape of the Earth. He's like, everyone's lying to us,
Speaker 5: and that's just one more lie.
Speaker 2: But I feel like questioning the moon landings is kind
Speaker 2: of the gateway drug, uh, to questioning if the Earth
Speaker 2: is flat?
Speaker 1: And so if you're.
Speaker 2: Completely yeah, yeah, if you're completely bought into the moon landings,
Speaker 2: which we bounce back and forth with that all the
Speaker 2: time over here. Yes, the footage was absolutely fake and
Speaker 2: also extremely homosexual, and and but does that necessarily mean
Speaker 2: that we never went What are your thoughts on that,
Speaker 2: or both of y'all's thoughts if we ever actually did go,
Speaker 2: I mean, forget about the footage and all that other shit.
Speaker 1: Do you think we physically went to the moon?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's funny. That's something that Joe Rogan actually said
Speaker 5: to him when he did the episode with him. I
Speaker 5: believe he said, just because the footage was fake doesn't
Speaker 5: mean we didn't actually go, you know like it. It
Speaker 5: means that maybe we did get footage, we weren't able
Speaker 5: to record it and send it back, But it doesn't
Speaker 5: mean that they wanted to show us something that ended
Speaker 5: up still being you know, ended up being false. Like
Speaker 5: I definitely think the footage is bullshit. Yeah, obviously, how
Speaker 5: can you prove if you start something off with a lie,
Speaker 5: how are you going to convince people it really happened.
Speaker 5: So I don't blame people for doubting it.
Speaker 3: It's the same It seems like a cop out kind of,
Speaker 3: but it the same way as I do almost everything
Speaker 3: nowadays in twenty twenty four, where I'm not saying I
Speaker 3: know what it is or what the shape is, or
Speaker 3: whether it happened or whatever. All I'm saying is that
Speaker 3: whatever we're told is not true to a whatever degree
Speaker 3: you want to, you know, put on that there's something
Speaker 3: about it that's not true for the most part most everything.
Speaker 3: So when people fight about like the shape of the Earth,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm less concerned with the shape of the
Speaker 3: earth or I want to know what the fuck we're
Speaker 3: living on. And it's almost verifiably false that what NASA
Speaker 3: tells us it is to me, it's verifiably false that
Speaker 3: what they tell us is what it is. And we
Speaker 3: recently had a guy I named Mark Goeber. I highly
Speaker 3: recommend if you want to talk to this guy, smart
Speaker 3: as shit Princeton graduate, you know, for you know, if
Speaker 3: that means anything to anybody. But he's written several books
Speaker 3: and the way he comes at it is the exact
Speaker 3: way that I do, only less articulate, obviously, But he
Speaker 3: comes at it like I don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: but here's proof that it's not what we're told it is.
Speaker 3: And he does that with a lot of things. Germ
Speaker 3: theory flatters all that kind of thing, and the way
Speaker 3: real quick recommend him on. But that's kind of that's
Speaker 3: my stance.
Speaker 6: What do you mean by not do you mean strictly
Speaker 6: the shape is not what NASA is saying it is,
Speaker 6: or like the composition of it, like there's a layer
Speaker 6: of magma underneath us and all that, Like to what
Speaker 6: level do you mean that they're lying to us?
Speaker 3: So this is this is why he's actually applying you know,
Speaker 3: science to it is because he came at it like
Speaker 3: and just a few years ago he actually has a podcast.
Speaker 3: It's like several episodes and it's just kind of a series.
Speaker 3: But he actually talks about, you know, Copernicus being mocked
Speaker 3: for thinking the Earth was a spear and all this
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and he actually kind of backtracked on
Speaker 3: that later because he figured out this dude proved that
Speaker 3: dark matter is not the real thing, like he disproved
Speaker 3: dark matter. And the way he explains is that dark
Speaker 3: matter is the the lynchpin kind of for the whole
Speaker 3: theory behind the Earth being a spinning ball gravity, right,
Speaker 3: and so dark matter he explains it interesting, I believe this.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I'm not questioning you.
Speaker 5: It's like a peer review journal article that this guy wrote.
Speaker 5: I wish I couldn't remember the guy's name.
Speaker 3: I'll look it up.
Speaker 5: But he was just saying, there reason the existence for
Speaker 5: dark matter is how we think of gravity, how gravity works.
Speaker 5: So if dark matter doesn't exist, then then gravity isn't
Speaker 5: necessarily real and doesn't mean it means that we're not
Speaker 5: necessarily on a rotating ball flying through space.
Speaker 3: Right. So that's why he's not really.
Speaker 5: Saying, like I know what it is. He's just saying
Speaker 5: it's not this.
Speaker 3: That's what I loved about he came at it saying,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but it's not this
Speaker 3: provably in my, you know, opinion, because of all of
Speaker 3: this evidence cit he compiled. So that's what I love
Speaker 3: about it. And so he doesn't come out he's not
Speaker 3: a flat earther per se, but he'll get paid like
Speaker 3: that because he doesn't think it's a spinning fucking ball.
Speaker 3: So and I love that too, because I'm kind of
Speaker 3: right in the middle, like agnostic like that too, where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 3: I know we're being lied to, probably on both ends,
Speaker 3: and I just want to know. Are we in like
Speaker 3: a TV? Are we in Legends of Zelda? And it's
Speaker 3: neither flat nor round because we're just in this like
Speaker 3: two dimensional screen? You know, dude, I that's actually days
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: But that's how I felt, for that's actually current how
Speaker 2: I feel as far as the shape of the earth.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I went through a couple of years of being a
Speaker 2: full on flat earther, like you could not convince me
Speaker 2: that it wasn't flat. I was so convinced. But then
Speaker 2: I tried mushrooms, and then I tried DMT, and then
Speaker 2: I tried a different form of D and T and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so it very well could just
Speaker 2: be like that. We live in a simulation and that's
Speaker 2: why it seems flat, but from outer space it's more round.
Speaker 2: And because in a simulation or in a matrix, our
Speaker 2: minds are pretty much incapable of comprehending the exact composition
Speaker 2: of whatever the fuck is all around us. And so
Speaker 2: now I'm kind of just on the double toroid kind of.
Speaker 1: Idea.
Speaker 2: I feel like that makes Yeah, it kind of makes
Speaker 2: the most amount of sense that it talks about the
Speaker 2: plane of inertia, which would make it seem like it's flat.
Speaker 1: And but I don't know, dude.
Speaker 2: I think that if you're ever looking to any kind
Speaker 2: of government agency for an answer, as for any kind
Speaker 2: of truth, it's just, you know, you're just gonna be
Speaker 2: fucking talked in circles with it and are They're just
Speaker 2: going to feed you some kind of bullshit and you
Speaker 2: kind of just have to have faith in it. And
Speaker 2: I lost faith in the government and all of the
Speaker 2: three letter agencies a long time ago.
Speaker 6: I'm still yard one hundred percent the three letter agencies
Speaker 6: don't tell me that the laws of physics tell me that.
Speaker 6: But that's just me from my very uh you know,
Speaker 6: grounded perspective.
Speaker 2: Which which law of physics are you applying to it? Specifically?
Speaker 1: Which what's the first? What is the first law?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 7: Them?
Speaker 6: Like all of them, and how all of them can
Speaker 6: only work if we are on some sort of a
Speaker 6: spherical playing field. But again, I am not a physicist
Speaker 6: and I am not an expert in these fields. All
Speaker 6: I am saying is that from my understanding of how
Speaker 6: things work, it makes sense that we live on a
Speaker 6: ball and that the story that they told us in
Speaker 6: science class makes sense.
Speaker 1: But right, I.
Speaker 2: Guess my question was though, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was just gonna say, that's the most interesting
Speaker 3: thing is because I've listened. I have a lot of
Speaker 3: friends and a lot of fellow podcasters, and I've listened
Speaker 3: to debates and all that stuff. Literally neither side can
Speaker 3: one prove their point or prove one way or the other,
Speaker 3: but they they believe it is. And the other weird
Speaker 3: thing is that a lot of the things that work
Speaker 3: on a globe model also work on the flat model.
Speaker 3: In their view, of course, the way that they describe it,
Speaker 3: it's like that could work that way too, But like
Speaker 3: you said, the only thing, a lot of these things,
Speaker 3: you just have to just believe it. You just have
Speaker 3: to take it on faith. And you know what that's
Speaker 3: called a cult.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: Take your fair same thing.
Speaker 7: The flat Earth movement, dude, I don't throw shade.
Speaker 6: They've uncovered a lot of things and a lot of
Speaker 6: research has been done in a lot of amazing places.
Speaker 6: I just haven't seen a model of the flat earth
Speaker 6: aside from like simulation theory. Which fine, Fine, if like
Speaker 6: you're the type of flat earther that believes this is
Speaker 6: all a matrix, then like I disagree, but respectfully, I
Speaker 6: get where you're coming from, and like we can agree
Speaker 6: to disagree peacefully, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: That's that's cool.
Speaker 6: But we like that well, I mean, the matrix theory
Speaker 6: is the same theory as like if we all died
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve and we don't know it yet because
Speaker 6: our brain is still firing off the last of our
Speaker 6: chemicals that go on for seven minutes after the brain
Speaker 6: stops getting oxygen, so like we are all in a
Speaker 6: dreamer like.
Speaker 3: Lost, we're actually already dead.
Speaker 6: Exactly, yeah, exactly, So like matrix theory, that theory or
Speaker 6: you know, these I could at least appreciate, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. I might disagree with them for my
Speaker 6: own personal reasons, but I understand why somebody would agree
Speaker 6: with them for their personal reasons.
Speaker 7: No shape the other ones.
Speaker 6: About the flat earth models, the issue that I've had
Speaker 6: with them, Yes, they show these examples of like how
Speaker 6: it works on a flat plan and it works on
Speaker 6: a reund cool, except the example that they give that
Speaker 6: works in that one example doesn't work with the model
Speaker 6: they showed five minutes ago that works with this other thing,
Speaker 6: And both of those don't work with this other model
Speaker 6: that they showed twenty minutes ago about this other other thing.
Speaker 6: And if you overlay all of the things on top
Speaker 6: of each other, their model physically can't work.
Speaker 3: But no, again, there's a lot of problems with it.
Speaker 3: That's the that's why people are still debating it is
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of problems with the flat Earth model.
Speaker 3: I mean, like obviously, so there's a lot of problems
Speaker 3: with what NASA tells us too. So that's where I'm
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 7: Agreed, Now hand, do you believe that we have been
Speaker 7: to the moon.
Speaker 3: So that's another one where I kind of fall I
Speaker 3: don't think. First of all, that comes back to what
Speaker 3: do you think the moon is? First of all, is
Speaker 3: it a big I mean, so the Earth's gravity is
Speaker 3: strong enough to hold the Moon in its orbit, and
Speaker 3: the Earth is in the Sun's orbit, but the Sun
Speaker 3: doesn't take the Moon away because the Earth's or you know,
Speaker 3: like gravity is stronger than the Sun. So the Moon
Speaker 3: stays here. There's a lot of weird things so to
Speaker 3: try to even figure out what the fuck the moon is.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of old writings or whatever. We
Speaker 3: listen to mysterious universe regularly shout out uh Ben and
Speaker 3: Aaron over there, and they a long time ago they
Speaker 3: covered a book I think that was called Who Who
Speaker 3: Made the Moon? Or something like that. And there's a
Speaker 3: lot of old like tales about the moon not even
Speaker 3: being in the sky at some point and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden it just kind of appearing. So there's
Speaker 3: a lot that goes into just did we go to
Speaker 3: the moon or not? I personally, if we did, whatever
Speaker 3: we were shown is one bogus. If we actually did
Speaker 3: go there, why didn't Why aren't they showing me the
Speaker 3: real thing? I mean, there's tons of documentaries on the
Speaker 3: Moon landing. Bartzebrell is a good one. It's a dusty
Speaker 3: rock floating around like I just don't but it looks
Speaker 3: like it, like I've looked at I have a telescope.
Speaker 3: I've taken pictures of it. It looks three dimensional. It
Speaker 3: looks like there's craters and perfectly round, by the way,
Speaker 3: because no meteor ever hits it at an angle. But
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think we went there. If
Speaker 3: we did, why are we really not gone back? And
Speaker 3: why are they trying to do it again?
Speaker 5: Because the Van Allen Belt is there and you can't
Speaker 5: get the technology right. But they were able to get through,
Speaker 5: but now they're sending crash test dummies through. So if
Speaker 5: the Van Allen Belt is real, then no, I don't
Speaker 5: believe we went to the Moon at all, because that's
Speaker 5: why we can't go back. But if that's just a
Speaker 5: barrier now or kind of an excuse for them to say,
Speaker 5: like either way, the Van Allen Belt is one of
Speaker 5: the weirdest things to me because it's been around forever,
Speaker 5: according to them, a gigantic belt of radiation in between
Speaker 5: us and the Moon, and but we got through it
Speaker 5: with nineteen fifties and sixties technology a calculator that doesn't
Speaker 5: make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2: As there's a couple of years ago, No, I was
Speaker 2: just gonna say, a couple of years ago, we actually
Speaker 2: had on a another podcaster out there, one of my
Speaker 2: favorites to ever listen to.
Speaker 1: If you ever heard of a crow Triple seven, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, we've had him on a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: Fucking love that guy.
Speaker 2: But he you know, he shot the documentary shooting the Moon,
Speaker 2: and now he's like shooting the Sun, which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: But that documentary, dude, insane. But those the the video
Speaker 2: footage that he got from whenever he was shooting the
Speaker 2: moon and seeing the lunar wave and seeing like what
Speaker 2: seemed to be like little let's I mean, just to
Speaker 2: be as kindergarten as I can, little white dots that
Speaker 2: are coming out of the moon. Maybe you can call
Speaker 2: them spaceships, maybe you can call them aliens, mining whatever
Speaker 2: the hell the moon is made up of. But like
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, whenever I see like a literal
Speaker 2: lunar wave, so like literally like an old school TV
Speaker 2: screen that has the line go down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dude.
Speaker 2: It makes me think that either the Moon is either
Speaker 2: a projection of some sort or maybe it's some kind
Speaker 2: of plasma, right, because like a rock is not going
Speaker 2: to do that, Like you're not going to see a
Speaker 2: rock have a television line go down it.
Speaker 1: Now, does that.
Speaker 2: Speak more to maybe our atmosphere or the bubble that
Speaker 2: we're in, Whether if you believe in the firmament, maybe
Speaker 2: there was a little a little line going down in
Speaker 2: the firmament and it showed up on the moon because
Speaker 2: it doesn't show up against the night sky or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think that, dude, the moon is just such
Speaker 2: a weird anomaly. And I don't really trust anything that
Speaker 2: anybody says about the moon for being so sure if
Speaker 2: we've never been there, Like that's the craziest thing. Like,
Speaker 2: if we've never been there, how can you possibly say
Speaker 2: that you know what it's made of?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 1: Like that's my thing.
Speaker 6: I agree that at least the lunar landing video the
Speaker 6: one small step for man. I think everybody with a
Speaker 6: brainstem can look at that and pretty well say that
Speaker 6: that's fake.
Speaker 3: Fine, fine, But I am actually on the landline in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine. Everybody knows that in real time.
Speaker 6: But I do believe that humans, or at least human
Speaker 6: technology has made it to the Moon. Now I'm not
Speaker 6: going to say a human being has ever been I
Speaker 6: think we may have. I can't confirm, but I believe
Speaker 6: that at least a rover has been sent there reason being.
Speaker 6: There is a test that you can do if you
Speaker 6: buy the laser. There's a laser beam that you can
Speaker 6: line up to a reflective pad that they've put on
Speaker 6: the Moon, and you can only do it when the
Speaker 6: Moon is at a certain place in the sky per
Speaker 6: your area on Earth. You have to do it on
Speaker 6: a certain day, and you can have cloud coverage whatever.
Speaker 6: But you can actually time it and you shoot the
Speaker 6: beam up and it bounces off the reflective pad and
Speaker 6: hits your receiver back in time, and you can actually
Speaker 6: clock in time.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 6: They did experiments about this a good bit, I believe,
Speaker 6: And that's only you, as a regular civilian, can go
Speaker 6: buy the equipment and do it just for the fuck
Speaker 6: of it, because let's say you're just a little science
Speaker 6: enthusiast or something. So that reflective pad at least was
Speaker 6: placed there. I think that at least, and I don't.
Speaker 6: I'm not of the belief that it's a projection. I
Speaker 6: believe it's at least all things out there, because we
Speaker 6: can track tidal waves and title surges based off of
Speaker 6: the lunar cycles and things. The Farmers Almanac is based
Speaker 6: off of it. There's a lot of stuff that goes
Speaker 6: into it. But I'm not gonna say that human beings
Speaker 6: made it through the van Allen radiation built. I believe
Speaker 6: that at least are over may have. I think that's
Speaker 6: an arguable, you know, middle ground to go for.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I love the I was going to
Speaker 3: say earlier from because you're the Christian here me and
Speaker 3: I would be close to that as well. And if
Speaker 3: anybody reads the Bible, they should almost one hundred percent
Speaker 3: be a flat earther or at least very much question
Speaker 3: what's going on with NASA. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys know Josh Monday, but.
Speaker 7: Great, Oh we have guy, we love him.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, he does your Sunday sermons. That's right anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the way he breaks down Biblical cosmology, and there
Speaker 3: was a huge debate I think last year between two pastors.
Speaker 3: And I'm not taking one side or the other, but
Speaker 3: the Globe pastor was a fucking asshole, and he came
Speaker 3: across so pretentious and condescending. I couldn't even listen to
Speaker 3: all of it. I'm like, oh my god, I don't
Speaker 3: even care what you have to say right now. You're
Speaker 3: a fucking dickhead. And the other guy is very respectful
Speaker 3: and you know, made his points and really, really, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, both sides just come down
Speaker 3: to it just because it is like if they get
Speaker 3: heated enough, they just go it is and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh this is I'm done.
Speaker 5: It happens on both sides, though, no, no.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 7: It does.
Speaker 6: It happens in the side of academia as well as
Speaker 6: it happens in the side of the pseudoscience. Right you
Speaker 6: got the professor Daves that are assholes, that are just
Speaker 6: their dicks. But like, and that's the thing, what he's
Speaker 6: saying a lot of people would say is correct. It's
Speaker 6: not what you're saying, you ask, it's how you're saying it.
Speaker 6: That's how it's going to be received. And like, I
Speaker 6: get it, it's your brand to be a dick. But
Speaker 6: like you don't have the face of a logan. Paul
Speaker 6: bro being a dick is not going to be a
Speaker 6: good brand choice for you. You look like an incell
Speaker 6: you know, you see what I'm saying. A penis so right,
Speaker 6: It's that exactly so okay. And then you'll get that
Speaker 6: with the Christian side of things too, as the resident
Speaker 6: Christian and the resident globe tard.
Speaker 7: My thing has always been this, The Bible has.
Speaker 6: Somewhere around two hundred verses that arguably could be taken
Speaker 6: into a context of some sort of a flat earth.
Speaker 6: There are seventy thousand verses in the Bible. Two hundred
Speaker 6: of them are possibly about the shape of the earth.
Speaker 6: That that's how much attention I believe God wants us
Speaker 6: to give to the shape of the shit that we're
Speaker 6: standing on. And my biggest thing about it is that
Speaker 6: it is not a salvation issue.
Speaker 7: It's more of a cult alignment issue. I'm gonna be
Speaker 7: honest with you.
Speaker 6: Everybody that I've ever talked to that believes in the
Speaker 6: flat Earth, I've always asked the same thing, Dude, I
Speaker 6: still got to go to work on Monday, I still
Speaker 6: got to pay taxes.
Speaker 7: The shape of the earth makes no difference to that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does, man, because once you see it, you
Speaker 6: change your perspective and your whole life changes.
Speaker 7: And like, oh so it's a cult, got you cool? Cool?
Speaker 6: Cool, So I'm not throwing shade, But like, your perspective
Speaker 6: shift doesn't change the fact that Uncle Sam's coming for
Speaker 6: that ass on tax season. So like, it doesn't change
Speaker 6: the fact that I got my kid's soccer practice in
Speaker 6: a couple hours.
Speaker 7: It really doesn't.
Speaker 6: And it doesn't change the fact that Jesus Christ came
Speaker 6: to save all of us.
Speaker 7: And it's not a salvation issue.
Speaker 6: So I find it interesting and fun to back and
Speaker 6: forth with and I'm here for it. But like, it's
Speaker 6: never gonna be a thing that I throw down with
Speaker 6: another Christian on for like.
Speaker 7: Real shit, Like does it change Jesus?
Speaker 5: You know, we're in the same boat. It just doesn't
Speaker 5: affect our lives at all. We like talking to people
Speaker 5: about it, but I don't if someone put a gun
Speaker 5: to my head and said, what shape do you think
Speaker 5: the earth is? I would probably say that it's more
Speaker 5: of like a realm that we're created. It's like a
Speaker 5: little playground for us for God to But I do
Speaker 5: in a Christian perspective. I think that we do. We're
Speaker 5: meant to be here but to learn, and then we
Speaker 5: go back and we talk to God and Jesus was
Speaker 5: put here to help us navigate it the world because
Speaker 5: we forget where we come from and we're not allowed
Speaker 5: to know because then we wouldn't learn anything. And I
Speaker 5: know it's the heart. It's a hard lesson, it's a
Speaker 5: hard way to learn. But I think this is like
Speaker 5: a fun little place. It doesn't really matter what shape
Speaker 5: it is. So I kind of agree with you where
Speaker 5: I don't think he God wants us to give a
Speaker 5: shit about that. There's a lot more things to care about.
Speaker 3: I love the Tower of Babbel thing though, too, because
Speaker 3: it's I mean, God's looking at him going They're gonna
Speaker 3: build a tower to the heavens on a ball, Like
Speaker 3: what what are you doing? Like you're just gonna be
Speaker 3: in orbit? Yeah, Like if I was God, I'd just
Speaker 3: be like, go ahead, and you're just gonna like lose
Speaker 3: oxygen and pass out.
Speaker 5: Like no, he was protecting them. It's like a parent
Speaker 5: saying like don't run across the street to get to
Speaker 5: the ice cream truck. You don't want to do that,
Speaker 5: And they jump out of you know, jump in front
Speaker 5: of the kid and tear them up, you know, away from.
Speaker 3: The oncoming truck.
Speaker 5: Maybe God was just saving everybody from fucking time.
Speaker 3: Okay, why is he saving Elon Musk from sending SpaceX
Speaker 3: rockets up there? Then, because it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 3: It's a modern Tower of Babel shooting rockets up into
Speaker 3: the sky, like what are we doing?
Speaker 5: I feel the same way like crowd and he'll make
Speaker 5: an example of him.
Speaker 2: So the idea that the whole Tower of Babel, is
Speaker 2: that seen as something that actually happened or is that
Speaker 2: more story.
Speaker 6: He's gonna I was gonna mention that the Tower of
Speaker 6: Babel or Babel whatever is an interesting one because yes,
Speaker 6: it's a biblical story and yeah, you can go back
Speaker 6: to Old Testament, which means that it's in the Koran,
Speaker 6: it's in the Torret's.
Speaker 7: And the Bible.
Speaker 6: Fine, bye, Fine, But that story has actually made its
Speaker 6: rounds around the world in all different types of cultures.
Speaker 6: They all seem to have some sort of a crazy
Speaker 6: Tower of Babbel story where the well, exactly, they all
Speaker 6: have a flood story. They all have a survivor's on
Speaker 6: a boat and sometimes there's animals, sometimes there's not, but
Speaker 6: there's always some survivor on.
Speaker 7: A boat during the great flood. They always have.
Speaker 6: Some sort of a crazy story where the languages of
Speaker 6: man were separated because they were all in unison on
Speaker 6: this project of something, and then God or the gods
Speaker 6: or whatever said yeah, fuck all that noise, and boom,
Speaker 6: now people can't understand each other. That story somehow has
Speaker 6: made its way so many times through I'm honestly curious
Speaker 6: if that's not one of those myths. I think that
Speaker 6: might actually have more of a kernel of truth to
Speaker 6: it than what people really uh want to give it
Speaker 6: credit to.
Speaker 2: Well, it says right here, it says that there is
Speaker 2: no historical evidence that the Tower of Babble ever existed,
Speaker 2: but some believe it it was based on an ancient
Speaker 2: tower called bab elieu b A b I l U.
Speaker 2: The story of the Tower of Babel is a myth
Speaker 2: or idiology that explains the origin of language diversity. So
Speaker 2: that's probably more so. But there are a bunch of
Speaker 2: people that actually do believe that it actually was a
Speaker 2: real event. It says some believe that the Tower of
Speaker 2: Babbel was inspired by a real building and that, and
Speaker 2: that the site of Iridium in Mesopotamia is the actual
Speaker 2: location of the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 6: I heard that they recently found a site that they
Speaker 6: thought was the foundation of the tower. But I mean,
Speaker 6: at what point are we drawing that these hairs?
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 3: I also think they found Jesus' tomb and his fucking
Speaker 3: robe and shit like. This is the thing I always
Speaker 3: come back to with a lot of these things, is
Speaker 3: at what point are you believing the information you get,
Speaker 3: especially nowadays when most of the information is on a screen,
Speaker 3: digital information, and I get it's doubting Thomas of me
Speaker 3: to be like, I need to see it. I need
Speaker 3: to stick the hole my hand or my finger in
Speaker 3: the holes in your hands to believe this. But that's
Speaker 3: where we're at now, because, especially especially in the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, with AI and photoshop and all these
Speaker 3: other tools that people have now, we don't know what
Speaker 3: to believe anymore. And first of all, it'll be the
Speaker 3: first one to say it on this show, I don't
Speaker 3: believe jack shit of history. Say, sure, some names and
Speaker 3: dates maybe, okay, But if you just take that stance
Speaker 3: as the foundation, like, what are we doing? I don't
Speaker 3: believe most of history of telephone.
Speaker 5: Too, though, you know, have you ever you know telephone
Speaker 5: as a little shit You say something and then by
Speaker 5: the time it gets to the last person, it sounds
Speaker 5: a lot different.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm not saying it's all intentionally either.
Speaker 5: People, Yeah, it doesn't have to be this nefarious thing,
Speaker 5: like it doesn't mean that, you know, they they planted
Speaker 5: dinosaur bones and wanted us to think that, like maybe
Speaker 5: just some retard was like, look what I've found. It's
Speaker 5: dinosaurs and wanted to be proud and and told people
Speaker 5: it was that, and they believed him, and then archaeology started.
Speaker 3: I don't know, show they exist, no, hell no, but
Speaker 3: they're definitely not oil right right.
Speaker 2: But honestly, like, how long ago was it that people
Speaker 2: actually started going to school to learn history. That couldn't
Speaker 2: have been that long ago, Like.
Speaker 6: Since the beginning of time. Bro Plato was teaching histories
Speaker 6: in school to his who his Atlantis, right, I mean
Speaker 6: that was a part of what they believed to be
Speaker 6: a part of the histories. Rome taught Greek history because
Speaker 6: they believed that they were descendants of the Greeks. Now,
Speaker 6: how much of that was myth and legend and how
Speaker 6: much of that was true fucking things that were scribed down.
Speaker 7: That's that's kind of where we're at, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 6: The Phoenicians, they had their stories that they passed down.
Speaker 6: How much of that was myth and legend? How much
Speaker 6: of that was actual dudes that actually walked the earth
Speaker 6: and did some shit like it's people have always looked
Speaker 6: to the past to gain knowledge, to gain wisdom, to
Speaker 6: learn one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: To learn how retarded we were and believing a lot
Speaker 2: of the things that they were teaching. Like, how about
Speaker 2: whenever we're one hundred years in the future, two hundred
Speaker 2: years in the future, whenever they're looking back on these times,
Speaker 2: what do you think that they're going to look back
Speaker 2: on us and think, I cannot believe they actually believe
Speaker 2: that bullshit? You know, like, what, what do you think
Speaker 2: that thing or those things would be.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think they're going to know, so I
Speaker 5: think it will be so skewed though, Like they might
Speaker 5: think that like a podcast was mainstream media, or that
Speaker 5: you know, the things that were It's going to be
Speaker 5: something that we couldn't possibly fathom and they might not
Speaker 5: even have a way to play back this information, someone
Speaker 5: will have like a computer instead of a chip in
Speaker 5: their head, like they'd have to have some sort of
Speaker 5: hardware to play this information back. It will just be
Speaker 5: maybe one person relaying some information and definitely probably skewing it.
Speaker 5: It depends on the interpretation of the person that person
Speaker 5: they're talking to. But I I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: think they're going to understand it's going to be a
Speaker 5: different world.
Speaker 3: Well I made that exact point, Jonathan. If in a
Speaker 3: couple hundred years, like maybe there's a cataclysm, maybe every
Speaker 3: thing that people know about shit that happened gets wiped
Speaker 3: out in some way or another, or they can't access
Speaker 3: it because everything's on a hard drive, and they're like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is this? Who knows? They find a book, though,
Speaker 3: and they read it and they're like, dude, this is
Speaker 3: a history book. This dude named Gandalf totally saved these
Speaker 3: things called the Hobbits and they threw this ring in there,
Speaker 3: and oh my god, and there's a lot of copies
Speaker 3: of it all across the world. This must be what happened, Like,
Speaker 3: this is what happened, and then they take that as history.
Speaker 3: Two thousand years later, you have the Bible, and it's like, whoa,
Speaker 3: that's that's nuts. Like I'm not comparing Lord of the
Speaker 3: Rings to the Bible. The Bible's clearly a better book.
Speaker 7: But if you can't told you was a diehard Catholic,
Speaker 7: So I mean, you know.
Speaker 3: No, I just mean it like that's just a stupid example.
Speaker 5: But that's interpretation something.
Speaker 3: The bulk of the Bible was what the Dead Sea
Speaker 3: Scrolls or whatever was that.
Speaker 6: The Dead Sea Scrolls were some Yeah that was the Bible,
Speaker 6: but that was found way away later. The Bible is written,
Speaker 6: you know, first and second century a d. The Dead
Speaker 6: Sea Scrolls are found like only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 7: They like Coborate.
Speaker 3: Seventy a d. Issue or somewhere around there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's one of those things where it's like we
Speaker 3: found these, so these are now the scripture and you
Speaker 3: have to live your whole life by it. And it's
Speaker 3: like what you found some scrolls in a cave and
Speaker 3: now you're what.
Speaker 5: I don't think the Bible, like I.
Speaker 3: Said, I'm a Christian than anything that.
Speaker 5: Is like one thing I can say I now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's the same as like Tibetan monks following
Speaker 6: their life, all of these ancient scrolls that have been
Speaker 6: passed down for hundreds of years.
Speaker 7: They never met the dude that wrote it.
Speaker 6: They're just following the way that's been taught to them
Speaker 6: by there, to that monk leaders And like that's the
Speaker 6: whole thing. Saying with the Hindi saying with the Yeah,
Speaker 6: at a certain point, we're all going off of some
Speaker 6: sort of old literature.
Speaker 5: Well, because there's principles in there that just makes sense
Speaker 5: across across everybody across the globe. You know, just be
Speaker 5: a good person. You know's these underlying principles. But then
Speaker 5: there's also little things like in the New Testament, Jesus
Speaker 5: says that you can basically do anything you want as
Speaker 5: long as you believe, like you can have anything you
Speaker 5: ask for in prayer Jesus as long as you believe
Speaker 5: that you will receive it. As long as you believe
Speaker 5: that you have to believe that you will receive it
Speaker 5: and it will be yours.
Speaker 7: That's like anything you want, it would be more of
Speaker 7: like you.
Speaker 5: Know, his example is if a man says to this mountain,
Speaker 5: go and throw yourself into the sea. A mountain. If
Speaker 5: a man says to a mountain, go and throw yourself
Speaker 5: into the sea, and does not doubt in his heart,
Speaker 5: but believes though what he says will come to pass,
Speaker 5: it will be given to him. Therefore, I tell you,
Speaker 5: whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you receive
Speaker 5: it and it will be yours.
Speaker 6: So like, it's not like I you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, but I don't think that it
Speaker 5: means that your life will be perfect if you do
Speaker 5: those things. If a man said to a mountain, go
Speaker 5: and throw yourself into the sea, I think there are
Speaker 5: other principles in the Bible that would apply to that
Speaker 5: person who did that, that would come down on him
Speaker 5: as well. There's still consequences.
Speaker 3: A bit hyperbolic to just prove a point. He wasn't like, uh,
Speaker 3: for some reason, you want a mountain to be tossed
Speaker 3: in the ocean?
Speaker 5: Like okay. I think though, that if.
Speaker 7: You, if you well in the context of.
Speaker 6: What you would believe so strongly it was about faith,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Be able to believe that. Yes, exactly, it's about faith.
Speaker 5: I don't think that one person could. You would have
Speaker 5: to believe in the power of God, and if you
Speaker 5: truly believe in the power of God. You would never say,
Speaker 5: go throw yourself into the sea to a mountain. That
Speaker 5: wouldn't be a thing that you would want to do.
Speaker 3: That mountain your wife or something.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of similar though mountain.
Speaker 6: You got a whole other set of issues that like
Speaker 6: I don't think you need God.
Speaker 7: I think you need like a therapists.
Speaker 5: Are you talking about the mountain from Game of Thrones
Speaker 5: or like just an.
Speaker 6: Actual troll like getting after it at that point, Like, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I'm pretty much done well.
Speaker 2: But but as far as that whole you know, the
Speaker 2: whole Mountain analogy, as far as asking whatever you want
Speaker 2: as long as you believe and have absolute faith and
Speaker 2: it should work. It kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 2: Matrix a little bit whenever you know, he's being told
Speaker 2: or being taught basically how to bend the spoon, Like
Speaker 2: how are you doing that? Well, the spoon's not actually there.
Speaker 2: And so if you think that you're living in like
Speaker 2: God's realm, and this physical realm really comes second compared
Speaker 2: to God's realm, then you know, maybe it's somewhere along
Speaker 2: those lines of like all right, well, the material reality
Speaker 2: and the the matrix kind of reality that God laid
Speaker 2: over top of us.
Speaker 1: Or something like that. It makes me wonder if.
Speaker 2: Like it, is it relatable to the whole spoon bending
Speaker 2: kind of situation in thinking that, like, yo, this reality
Speaker 2: really isn't what you think it is, and that's why
Speaker 2: with enough faith, maybe you would have a little help,
Speaker 2: or maybe you wouldn't see it as any kind of
Speaker 2: obstacle to move something like that in the first place,
Speaker 2: if it's not physically what you thought it was.
Speaker 5: I totally agree with that. I think that he's trying.
Speaker 5: I think Jesus was trying to explain that we could
Speaker 5: have anything we want. We can all be happy though
Speaker 5: and coexist, and we don't have to struggle on this earth.
Speaker 6: But I think the context that Jesus is preaching was
Speaker 6: more about having faith in times of hardship, when the
Speaker 6: odds seem insurmountable, that if you have faith you can
Speaker 6: call it a mountain and say get out of my
Speaker 6: way and it will if you have faith.
Speaker 7: I think it has little to nothing.
Speaker 6: To do with it if you want it and pray
Speaker 6: hard enough and believe.
Speaker 7: I think it was more of a there was the
Speaker 7: whole context. You can't look at one sentence.
Speaker 5: You know, Well, there was no glory in how that
Speaker 5: whole parable started, though, the Parable of the withered fig tree.
Speaker 5: He basically was hungry and was like, fuck this fig tree.
Speaker 5: There's no figs on it. May you never bear fruit again?
Speaker 5: And then they were they're like Mark eleven twenty, the
Speaker 5: Parable of the withered fig tree.
Speaker 3: Right, Jesus walked by the fig tree, and he's like, fucking.
Speaker 5: I'm saying it in Lehman's terms. So he uh, Now
Speaker 5: they pass by a fig tree and Jesus is hungry
Speaker 5: and there's no figs on the tree, and so he
Speaker 5: curses it. And then they keep going and when they
Speaker 5: come back, there's no figs on the tree, and it's
Speaker 5: dead and it's withered to the roots. And the disciples
Speaker 5: are like, wow, look at that, you did it. The
Speaker 5: victory you cursed has withered. And they're all shocked, and
Speaker 5: he's like, no kidding, you can do that too.
Speaker 6: But there was more to the reason as to the
Speaker 6: why well we love more to that context.
Speaker 2: Jacob gets a raging boner every time somebody says the
Speaker 2: word context. So I'm going to read this little part
Speaker 2: of the boner. I'm going to read this little part
Speaker 2: of the Bible, and we'll see what kind of context
Speaker 2: that we're talking about here. As far as the whole
Speaker 2: faith of a mustard seed and moving mountains and all
Speaker 2: that shit, this is uh, It says. When they came
Speaker 2: to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him, Lord,
Speaker 2: have mercy on my son. He said, he has seizures
Speaker 2: and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire
Speaker 2: or into the water. I brought him to your disciples,
Speaker 2: but they could not heal him. You unbelieving and perverse generation.
Speaker 2: Jesus said, how long shall I stay with you? How
Speaker 2: long should I shall I put up with you? Bring
Speaker 2: the boy here.
Speaker 1: To me, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy,
Speaker 2: and he was healed at that moment. Then the disciples
Speaker 2: came to Jesus in private and asked, why couldn't we
Speaker 2: drive it out? He replied, because you have so little faith. Truly,
Speaker 2: I tell you, if you have the if you have
Speaker 2: faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say
Speaker 2: to this mountain, move from here to there, and it
Speaker 2: will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. So I
Speaker 2: think within the context, what you're trying to say is
Speaker 2: it's it's not a parable. I think he's actually literally
Speaker 2: saying that.
Speaker 7: He's not saying you can have anything you want as
Speaker 7: long as you pray for it.
Speaker 6: He's saying that, why couldn't you do this thing that
Speaker 6: I could do because you don't have faith enough.
Speaker 5: That's a different thing. That's a different one, but I
Speaker 5: know I know that one as well. The faith as
Speaker 5: small as a mustard seed. When he does the parable
Speaker 5: of the withered fig tree, it's a little bit different,
Speaker 5: But that's when he says he says that after he
Speaker 5: curses the tree. It's when Paul or something I think, says, Master,
Speaker 5: look the tree you've cursed has withered to the roots.
Speaker 5: And then he talks about moving a mountain, and I
Speaker 5: think maybe he's referencing it again there after that.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta say, as the I think I'm
Speaker 2: the only person on this show right now that is
Speaker 2: not a Christian. And I just feel like if I
Speaker 2: was to ever convert to Christianity, it would be because
Speaker 2: I believe absolutely what the Bible is saying, and if
Speaker 2: the Bible is saying for you to do this, but
Speaker 2: you're just kind of like looking at it. Oh, that's
Speaker 2: not really what he meant, or that was Jesus. He
Speaker 2: was actually God. But Jesus is literally telling you. Jesus
Speaker 2: is literally telling you you can do all the things
Speaker 2: that I can do. And then some you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 6: Just heard him say when the disciples asked him in
Speaker 6: private later on, how come you could do this thing
Speaker 6: and we couldn't, And he said, because you don't have faith.
Speaker 6: Surely I tell you, if you have the faith of
Speaker 6: a mustard seed, you can move mountains.
Speaker 7: Nothing would be impossible.
Speaker 6: You took that and said, Jesus wants you to move
Speaker 6: actual mountains.
Speaker 7: That's what you took from.
Speaker 1: No, that's how you interpreted.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is that Jesus said exactly what
Speaker 2: you said, as long as you have faith, you can
Speaker 2: literally do that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: He didn't say, oh, demons, you can literally do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also the mountains, I would kind of practically like,
Speaker 3: my dad's going through a lot of health problems right now,
Speaker 3: and if I were to have enough faith, I could
Speaker 3: heal his ass cancer. Right, So when it doesn't work, inevitably,
Speaker 3: the answer to that would be I didn't have enough
Speaker 3: faith correct have.
Speaker 5: So in my opinion, you have to believe it like
Speaker 5: when I know listen, you have to believe it, like
Speaker 5: I know that when I hold this up, it's going
Speaker 5: to fall. That's it. You have to believe it like that.
Speaker 5: You have to believe it like you know it will happen.
Speaker 5: It's not you pray for it and hope it will happen.
Speaker 5: Hope does not exist. You have to know it will
Speaker 5: happen when you pray for it. And a lot of
Speaker 5: people just have hope and think it's knowing and it's
Speaker 5: not the same thing.
Speaker 3: But you know why you think when you do this
Speaker 3: it's going to drop is because ingrained in our brains
Speaker 3: is the laws of physics saying this is gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Sure, And God's telling us though you can also do this.
Speaker 5: You can do this, and you just don't. We just
Speaker 5: don't believe it. It sucks. It's like when I told
Speaker 5: my daughter if she just keeps pedling on her bike,
Speaker 5: she won't fall down, and she's too afraid because the
Speaker 5: bike's too shaky and it's scary and she doesn't know
Speaker 5: what to do. And I pushed her actually out into
Speaker 5: our yard, which is really shitty thing to do, because
Speaker 5: she definitely felt but she didn't. But it's because she
Speaker 5: didn't pedal. I was like, just pedal. Have faith in yourself,
Speaker 5: and that is what God is telling us. He's saying,
Speaker 5: just have faith, and I understand why Jesus was frustrated.
Speaker 5: So I just pulled up Mark eleven twenty and it
Speaker 5: is the parable of the withered fig tree. It's but
Speaker 5: he does talk about the mountain throwing it into see
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. And I don't think that he's saying
Speaker 5: you can just tear shit up around you. He's saying, like,
Speaker 5: you have your son in pain, you can heal him.
Speaker 5: You can get these demons that like, why are you
Speaker 5: doing this to yourself? You have all of the power
Speaker 5: right here, but you just don't. You just don't believe
Speaker 5: hard enough. And yeah, it's hard and I'm definitely guilty
Speaker 5: of it too. I'm not perfect. I don't just pray
Speaker 5: and my problems magically go away. But I do think
Speaker 5: that we can do amazing things through the power of God.
Speaker 3: I think we can too. But it's almost a ratio
Speaker 3: of not chance, but like it's almost a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: Like I was saying, I wanted to get Jacob's response
Speaker 3: to that, Actually, because the cancel if they're so with that?
Speaker 7: If how many cancer survivors.
Speaker 6: Have you met that said that it was their willpower
Speaker 6: that got them through there, chemo did what chemo does,
Speaker 6: but they didn't give up.
Speaker 7: How many of them have you heard say that?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, a few. And there's the placebo effect and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. So that's modern terms. But I mean,
Speaker 3: like as many Christians as there are who believe that,
Speaker 3: you'd think a nobody would really ever like get that
Speaker 3: sick and die because they are. And it's not the
Speaker 3: pursuit who has cancer? You being a Christ you know,
Speaker 3: a christ type or whatever they call it, where you're
Speaker 3: you're playing Christ and Jesus says you can do these
Speaker 3: things too, you can heal people. Why isn't there more
Speaker 3: of that going on? Is because people have enough faith.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I was getting at. Oh
Speaker 3: you just didn't believe hard enough.
Speaker 6: So all right, multiple levels to this answer. I do
Speaker 6: believe no, no, no, no, by all means, bro, this
Speaker 6: is great. I believe that there are certain people out
Speaker 6: there that are true. And I don't mean like in
Speaker 6: a cabin in the woods somewhere. I genuinely believe that
Speaker 6: there are certain people, you know, depending on what kind
Speaker 6: of herbal remedy you're looking for, they can be.
Speaker 7: They can be. They're very resourceful, those those woodwitches.
Speaker 6: But no, what I was gonna say is, like, I
Speaker 6: believe that there are certain people working in hospitals that
Speaker 6: are like they are meant to be in medicine. They
Speaker 6: are meant to be healing people. That's why they were
Speaker 6: put on this earth. I believe that, right, and not
Speaker 6: just surgeons, although them too, but even the nurses that
Speaker 6: are on the floor level that are doing the things
Speaker 6: that need to be done, and like all of it,
Speaker 6: all of the stuff, as far as healing somebody with
Speaker 6: what would be considered supernatural powers or god powers or
Speaker 6: some might even say magic or something like that, I
Speaker 6: believe some of that might be happening somewhere.
Speaker 7: But yes, I believe that a lot of that is because.
Speaker 6: No one's doing whatever it is, living right enough or whatever.
Speaker 6: But I do also believe that we have people casting
Speaker 6: out demon Now I'm not saying that every sickness is
Speaker 6: a demon.
Speaker 1: There are the.
Speaker 6: Amish believed that you know what I mean, The Puritans
Speaker 6: believe that type of shit. I don't believe that either.
Speaker 6: I believe that, Yeah, you can get cancer. I am
Speaker 6: of the belief you can pray it away. I am
Speaker 6: also of the belief that you can have all the
Speaker 6: faith on earth. But if it's your time to go,
Speaker 6: and God said so, it doesn't matter. You can pray
Speaker 6: for one more minute of life all you want. But
Speaker 6: if it's your time, at your time, and that's kind
Speaker 6: of just the way life works.
Speaker 3: Do you believe it's an exercise in futility then unless
Speaker 3: you have some kind of knowledge that, oh, it is
Speaker 3: this person's time, Like I don't know how to describe
Speaker 3: that any better than that. Like when you're praying for
Speaker 3: like there's a kid with cancer who's like six, and
Speaker 3: you're like, no, he's only six, there's no way it's
Speaker 3: his number drawn right now. So I'm gonna pray the
Speaker 3: fuck out of this. And then he dies and it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: so what was that? Like I believed he was gonna
Speaker 3: get better, And I'm not going back to like, oh
Speaker 3: I would have loving God let bad things happen. As
Speaker 3: a whole different conversation, and I'm talking specifically about you know,
Speaker 3: having the faith to do something. And like you said,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. Some people call it magic,
Speaker 3: some people call it you know whatever. I think we're
Speaker 3: describing the same thing here in different you know, cultural
Speaker 3: contexts or languages or whatever. It's all kind of the
Speaker 3: same thing. Prayer is spell casting in another, uh culture
Speaker 3: or I mean, they do different things. They're not like
Speaker 3: praying to Jesus. I get it. I get the intention.
Speaker 3: That's what really matters. From what I've learned, it's really
Speaker 3: the intention. It doesn't matter if you like candles or
Speaker 3: burnt incense or you know, hop around a fucking fire
Speaker 3: pit or whatever. It's the energy that you're putting into
Speaker 3: the intention of what you're trying to do that matters.
Speaker 3: And that is with prayer too, that's called faith. So
Speaker 3: we're describing the same things here in different words and cultures.
Speaker 5: So I think people need a physical stimulus though. I
Speaker 5: think that's why the candles and whatever the triggers. They
Speaker 5: need something that they know is real. They're about to
Speaker 5: do something thing that they're not sure is real, So
Speaker 5: they have to bridge that gap between what they can
Speaker 5: do mentally that they can't see feel, they can't do it,
Speaker 5: they can't sense it at all. It's just something internal
Speaker 5: that they have absolutely no proof of. So something physical
Speaker 5: right in front of you, I think is what helps
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 3: So with the all the occult books I've read, like
Speaker 3: lighting candles, doing incense, like for witchcraft or whatever, the
Speaker 3: reason they're doing that is not because that's what makes
Speaker 3: it work, is because it puts you in that state
Speaker 3: of mind to focus your energy. It's the same thing
Speaker 3: as going into it if you're Catholic going into a
Speaker 3: church and praying or the priest or the whatever you're
Speaker 3: and it obviously varies very widely on religious upbringing or
Speaker 3: cultures or whatever, but you're you're putting yourself in that
Speaker 3: state of mind to focus your energy. That's why Christians
Speaker 3: do this and put their hands together. They're focusing it
Speaker 3: and they're putting their intention God please heal this, and
Speaker 3: they're you know, sending it. So I feel like it's
Speaker 3: all the same thing. I think it's actually directed that
Speaker 3: the same thing too, unless you're worshiping malevolence then maybe not.
Speaker 2: But well, I wonder though, you know, as far as
Speaker 2: the most faithful, the people who are following the book
Speaker 2: word by word, living out their life the way that
Speaker 2: the Bible tells them, absolutely following exactly what they should
Speaker 2: be do. They're not cussing there, They're not using any
Speaker 2: kind of linen that isn't pure cotton. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like completely well or Mormons like complete straight and narrow path.
Speaker 2: And your faith and your belief in God is as
Speaker 2: strong as it could possibly be, And you know for
Speaker 2: an absolute fact that whenever you lay hands on somebody
Speaker 2: or you say a prayer for somebody, that it's going
Speaker 2: to work, that you can heal because there's nothing telling
Speaker 2: you that you wouldn't be able to do it, because
Speaker 2: you followed every single thing that you had to do,
Speaker 2: and you're the most faithful kind of person there is.
Speaker 2: If then whenever you put hands or or pray for somebody,
Speaker 2: I feel like then it would probably.
Speaker 1: Be the most potent or the most.
Speaker 2: Probable that you you know, your prayer would work. Then
Speaker 2: at that point, is that what do y'all think about?
Speaker 3: That faith? Like a child, that type of thing where
Speaker 3: you don't have any concept of it not working. So
Speaker 3: that's and that goes back to the intent thing where
Speaker 3: a child doesn't know that it's not going to work.
Speaker 3: They don't know the laws of physics or anything else,
Speaker 3: so they they have one track mind and they're like,
Speaker 3: do this. That's why a lot of kids actually show
Speaker 3: weird you know, telekinetic, psychoconese, whatever type of power sometimes
Speaker 3: because they don't have this this barrier of no that
Speaker 3: can't work because of physics.
Speaker 5: They haven't been slapped in the face with reality yet.
Speaker 3: They haven't been a Rockefeller School or NASA or anything,
Speaker 3: so they just think, obviously, this can work because that's
Speaker 3: what I want to want to happen. So that is
Speaker 3: funny that Bible mentions that faith like a child. You
Speaker 3: got to come with faith like a child, because that's
Speaker 3: the most pure intent you can have.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, like you, you're But then adults, adults grow
Speaker 5: up and we're taught to like discipline our kids and
Speaker 5: tell them you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't,
Speaker 5: you can't do this. You do what I say. Oh,
Speaker 5: it's never an cycle, right, But well, then the kids
Speaker 5: grow up and become adults just like us, and they
Speaker 5: lose their faith.
Speaker 6: Well, because kids will choose the shittiest option possible if
Speaker 6: left to their own devices, we don't have to teach
Speaker 6: kids how to lie. We have to teach them to
Speaker 6: tell the truth. We don't have to teach a kid
Speaker 6: to not steal from the cookie jar. We have to
Speaker 6: teach them no after dinner. That's the point. Humans are
Speaker 6: born into sin. We are all born inherently looking out
Speaker 6: for number one and that survival instinct. That's okay, that's
Speaker 6: inherent within our genetic makeup. That's we were built that way.
Speaker 6: It's part of the plan. But yeah, we have to
Speaker 6: put restrictions on them. That's why religion was good because
Speaker 6: it put morals and ethics onto a codified law of.
Speaker 7: Rule books that people could follow and shit.
Speaker 6: But then we get into the other debacle, right, religion
Speaker 6: versus morality and ethics. Where is morals actually derived from?
Speaker 6: Is it from religion and fear year of God or
Speaker 6: fear of hell or whatever, or is it cultural and
Speaker 6: how you're brought up? And in reality it doesn't because
Speaker 6: we're like we're saying, kids don't know, they haven't been
Speaker 6: slapped with the face of reality of dot dot dot Right,
Speaker 6: the reality for a kid growing up in China is
Speaker 6: completely different from the reality of a kid grown up
Speaker 6: in Buffalo New York.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, So what does that reality
Speaker 7: even look like?
Speaker 2: Nu?
Speaker 3: Nu? Yeah.
Speaker 7: So look at the Spartan culture.
Speaker 6: Their religion told them that it was good and proper
Speaker 6: and morally just and righteous to go on a killing
Speaker 6: and raping rampage on their slave population once a year.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: The Aztecs, their religious deities told them once a year
Speaker 6: to wage a flower war where they would go in
Speaker 6: harvest prisoners from the local tribes to bring back and
Speaker 6: slaughter in that big cut. They're still beating heart out
Speaker 6: shabam once a year, and that was good and religiously
Speaker 6: righteous and proper. We in America teach our children that,
Speaker 6: you know, body autonomy is a good thing, and that
Speaker 6: rape is not a good thing, and like you need
Speaker 6: to know your surroundings, you need to watch out for predators.
Speaker 7: But is that a social you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Is that a cultural thing?
Speaker 6: Or is that because some sort of religious text told
Speaker 6: us that we need to It probably stems from religion.
Speaker 5: Do you think any of it comes just from within ourselves? Though?
Speaker 5: I think we all really know what's good and bad.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 7: I think you can tell you something or.
Speaker 5: Some people do it but you know that deep down,
Speaker 5: and it's something personal. I would never know how it
Speaker 5: would feel to murder my mother, but I can imagine
Speaker 5: that when that person did that, they felt bad, even
Speaker 5: if they thought it was the right thing to do
Speaker 5: at the time, it's a bad feeling.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: The ones that do it, I think are wired incorrectly,
Speaker 6: like the aside from the the sociopaths that clearly there
Speaker 6: was something wrong with their brain, throwing those aside because
Speaker 6: those are anomalies. But like most people can agree that
Speaker 6: there is some sort of inherent code of ethics within us,
Speaker 6: right like don't kill your mother. No one had to
Speaker 6: teach you that, you know what I mean, everybody kind
Speaker 6: of knows that way.
Speaker 2: It's your conscious mind that holds you accountable.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent what it is.
Speaker 2: And and honestly, I think everybody has that conscious thing
Speaker 2: inside of their mind that tells them you probably shouldn't
Speaker 2: do that, because then there's probably gonna be some implications
Speaker 2: you probably you know, that's God.
Speaker 5: I think that's our connection to God brain, our actual
Speaker 5: physical brain, because we're on this earth now. I think
Speaker 5: that's what fucks with us. I think we need our
Speaker 5: brain to have that connection while or in this form,
Speaker 5: But we're also subject to like every other thing that
Speaker 5: can be blasted into our brain here on earth, like
Speaker 5: all of the temptations. Any bad thing can also come
Speaker 5: right in. It's like a door just wide open. But
Speaker 5: we're also able to receive God.
Speaker 3: I think that's what that's what I take it to mean,
Speaker 3: is the whatever verse it is that said God has
Speaker 3: revealed himself to all men. I think that's what your
Speaker 3: conscience is. You don't like, like you said, you don't
Speaker 3: have to be told not to kill your mother. So
Speaker 3: when these vikings are like it's just and holy to
Speaker 3: do this, guess where that came from. Somebody else telling them, right,
Speaker 3: that's what they should do. That's called religion. It's listening
Speaker 3: to somebody else saying this is what God says to do,
Speaker 3: and you will go to heaven if you do this,
Speaker 3: you'll get seventy two virgins and all. That's you're listening
Speaker 3: to the Muslims house. I take it when you're talking
Speaker 3: about morality and ethics and all that stuff, barring any
Speaker 3: holy books or anybody else talking in your ear, I
Speaker 3: think it's been called natural law. Where and you can
Speaker 3: take it into and it actually goes into almost every religion.
Speaker 3: Even Witchcraft says in like Aleister Crowley, if you want
Speaker 3: to go that far, do what you want. Then the
Speaker 3: offshoot of that, like Wicca, is if it doesn't harm anybody,
Speaker 3: do what you want. And that's kind of the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 3: You know what every almost every bad thing in the
Speaker 3: Ten Commandments is. It's causing harm to other people besides
Speaker 3: the worshiping other gods and graven image pretty much right, No,
Speaker 3: we had to add those two in there, but almost
Speaker 3: everything else it's causing harm to somebody else. This is
Speaker 3: where libertarian stems from. It's you do you boo. But
Speaker 3: if you start fucking with somebody else, that's where we
Speaker 3: have a problem. If you're infringing on somebody else's other commandments,
Speaker 3: that's where the problem is. So stealing is bad because
Speaker 3: you're taking from somebody else. Murder is bad because you're
Speaker 3: infringing on their right to life or whatever. Uh, Fucking
Speaker 3: somebody else's wife not good because that's their wife. Obviously
Speaker 3: it's gonna hurt them. So that's what I think of
Speaker 3: with natural law is like the Ten Commandments, kind of
Speaker 3: where you're up until the point you're infringing on somebody else. Basically,
Speaker 3: do what you want, not that it's good. Like I
Speaker 3: don't recommend you go shoot Heroin in your eyeball today,
Speaker 3: But if you want to do that, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to stop you. That's that's your that's your fucking deal.
Speaker 7: Go do it.
Speaker 3: But if you shoot up Heroin and then you die
Speaker 3: because of it, and you and you don't have your
Speaker 3: children are fatherless and all that, that's where you crossed
Speaker 3: the line.
Speaker 2: That was excess well, and you know, I'm really happy
Speaker 2: you brought up the Ten Commandments because I did a
Speaker 2: little research on this not that long ago and learned
Speaker 2: about pretty much the whole story, at least that portion
Speaker 2: of the of the story anyway, where basically Moses goes up,
Speaker 2: he goes up into Mount Sinai, he talks to God's
Speaker 2: and gives them the Ten Commandments, right comes back down,
Speaker 2: and all those fucking people down there are all worshiping
Speaker 2: this golden calf. And what does Moses do along with
Speaker 2: actually what God wanted to do was to kill all
Speaker 2: of those people that were worshiping the calf. Moses said, no,
Speaker 2: don't do that, don't do that, Like let me go
Speaker 2: down there and talk to them. Moses goes down there,
Speaker 2: sees that they're worshiping the calf. That motherfucker murders all
Speaker 2: of them now right, and all the people that chose
Speaker 2: uh to to you know, basically be on the side
Speaker 2: of God and on the side of Moses. That that
Speaker 2: repented and they felt bad for worshiping the calf and
Speaker 2: not having enough patience. Moses kept them around. Actually, God
Speaker 2: told Moses keep all them around until we don't need
Speaker 2: them anymore.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 2: So, even the people, even the people who said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I made a mistake, take all them out too, which
Speaker 2: is hilarious because literally, within the ten Commandments, you shall
Speaker 2: not murder. Literally the moment you get it, you go
Speaker 2: and murder hundreds.
Speaker 3: Of people unless they deserve it.
Speaker 5: Yes, let me show you that. Hold on one second
Speaker 5: before I read this, and it's.
Speaker 3: A judgment call who deserves it.
Speaker 6: It's like God, arguably the dude who wrote the commandment
Speaker 6: who then said, yo, yeah, fuck those people.
Speaker 7: I mean, look, I'm gonna be straight up.
Speaker 6: These are the same people that just watched all of
Speaker 6: these plagues of Egypt, watch the Red Sea get parted,
Speaker 6: watched with their own eyeballs, all this wild ass shit
Speaker 6: and then they go build a golden calf. Yo, fuck them,
Speaker 6: they didn't obvious, Like, we don't need them following us
Speaker 6: to the Promised Land.
Speaker 7: We need to remove them from the gene pool. Obviously, Obviously,
Speaker 7: how long.
Speaker 3: Is Moses gone? Like a couple of days in their
Speaker 3: guests will build a golden calf and pray to that, Like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing enough?
Speaker 6: Moses, the dude who wrote the Tin Commandments, the whole
Speaker 6: nine because he did one thing out of place he
Speaker 6: wasn't allowed to go to Yeah, like one thing he
Speaker 6: wasn't but he wasn't foot in the Promised Land.
Speaker 2: Old Testament was dueh no.
Speaker 3: U copens up a whole other can of worms, though,
Speaker 3: And I with the space between when those books were
Speaker 3: written and the fact that they were compiled by a
Speaker 3: human in the authorized King James version, and the fact
Speaker 3: the Ethiopian Bible has like, I don't know one the
Speaker 3: extra books in it, it's very suspect and it makes
Speaker 3: me think, and it's very heretical to say this, especially
Speaker 3: as somebody who would identify as a Christian more closely.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like the same fucking God, especially in
Speaker 3: the Torah than what Jesus is doing. It seems like
Speaker 3: two totally different things. And bear with me here, you're no,
Speaker 3: that's that's pretty much it like, it seems like a
Speaker 3: totally different God. And the fact that Jewish people don't
Speaker 3: recognize recognize Jesus but they do recognize the God of
Speaker 3: the Talmud and the Torah seems pretty fucking suspect to
Speaker 3: me because they are. To me, Jewish people are worshiping
Speaker 3: a different God, and that's a different podcast too.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, then, are do the
Speaker 2: Jewish people recognize God speaking in the New Testament? I mean,
Speaker 2: forget about Jesus here for a second. Is that the
Speaker 2: word of God within the New Testament whenever he's being record?
Speaker 3: Completely throw out the New Covenant, which is the New Testament, so.
Speaker 7: They only need like Old Testament.
Speaker 3: I don't throw out the Old Testament. But seriously, like
Speaker 3: some of the rules in there, like not wearing mixed garments,
Speaker 3: first of all, like scientifically that's actually it's probably a
Speaker 3: good idea, uh, but like the oh, if if a
Speaker 3: woman's bleeding through her vagina for that time of the month,
Speaker 3: you put her out fucking outside the gates also agree
Speaker 3: with that, But there's other ones too, like, uh, you
Speaker 3: know the goats. You gotta roast a goat and give
Speaker 3: God the fat and the blood and all this weird
Speaker 3: shit like that that we don't do anymore. That seems
Speaker 3: like a different God to me. Like, but that's old
Speaker 3: Covenant though, right, right, right? But covenant. If it's old Covenant,
Speaker 3: then you gotta kind of like not think about the
Speaker 3: Ten Commandments then also, because that's old Covenant. So you're
Speaker 3: only going off of what Jesus says, right, Or are
Speaker 3: you picking and choosing which parts of the Old Covenant
Speaker 3: you're following?
Speaker 6: No, but you gotta look at which parts of Jesus
Speaker 6: told you specifically to follow. He said to keep God's commandments.
Speaker 6: He said that to all mankind, well.
Speaker 3: Them to kill everybody, women and children, and also said
Speaker 3: give me the fat of the lambs and all that.
Speaker 3: So which.
Speaker 7: God's commandments he was talking to He didn't say the
Speaker 7: Law of Abraham.
Speaker 6: That was when he was speaking of the Jews. Hold on,
Speaker 6: we're about to get there. He said, keep God's commandments.
Speaker 6: That would be the ten right. Then they asked him
Speaker 6: what about the Law of Abraham and all these things.
Speaker 6: And he said to the Jews, be Jewish, do your
Speaker 6: Jewish thing. You've been doing this tradition for forever. Do
Speaker 6: that you do you gentiles, be gentiles. That's cool. None
Speaker 6: of that matters to God anymore. But like this is
Speaker 6: how you're living your lives. Live your lives this way.
Speaker 6: What he's saying is that this is the new Covenant.
Speaker 7: This is the new age.
Speaker 6: There is no more jew and gentile. There is no
Speaker 6: more this than that. There is God's people and there
Speaker 6: is not. That is the only distinction from this point forward.
Speaker 6: So to your point, yes, he's telling those that are
Speaker 6: following the law of Abraham to continue doing so.
Speaker 7: Those that are not don't do that.
Speaker 6: The ones that are eating pig and aren't circumcising their children, bro,
Speaker 6: don't worry about all that. That doesn't matter anymore. This
Speaker 6: is the new Covenant. This is the new the new
Speaker 6: deal that's been struck. So that Jesus also said to
Speaker 6: keep the ten Commandments. There are certain things that he
Speaker 6: did tell us to keep from the Old Testament for
Speaker 6: all people. Yes, he also told us to carry swords.
Speaker 6: He also told us to arm ourselves. I don't want
Speaker 6: that to go unsaid either, and I agree with that one.
Speaker 6: Stay strapped to get clapped my boys, JC.
Speaker 3: So I, how do you do I'm not real familiar
Speaker 3: with the Talmud. I just know some very specific, fucked
Speaker 3: up parts of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, how the talm is not in the Old Testament
Speaker 7: at all?
Speaker 3: No, I no, no, no. There's Talmudic Jews, and there's
Speaker 3: regular Jews that own the jewelry store and they don't
Speaker 3: even practice or wear a yamaka or anything. So we've
Speaker 3: had this conversation so many times because we're like, it's
Speaker 3: not anti semitic to say certain things that I'm not
Speaker 3: going to say because it'll be called anti semitic. But right, right,
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't think most of the Jews
Speaker 3: out there right now are real Jews. They're Europeans who
Speaker 3: called themselves Jews for the purpose of I mean even that,
Speaker 3: and yahoo, I'm not going on a jew ran. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, like, the Talmudic part of it, how do
Speaker 3: they justify that with what everything else in the Torah says?
Speaker 3: Or do they not follow the Torah?
Speaker 6: So they see the Torah the same way we see
Speaker 6: the Old Testament. They see it as the traditions that
Speaker 6: got them to the point of needing. The Talmud almost
Speaker 6: we see the Old Testament as the story as to
Speaker 6: how we got to the point of needing Jesus.
Speaker 3: They don't see the Talmud is religious extremism, like well,
Speaker 3: the list of.
Speaker 6: Rules, it's a list of rules of Jews, and don't
Speaker 6: because the Jews are very liturgical people. They're very big
Speaker 6: into the laws and the rules and keeping records of shit.
Speaker 6: So Ari Shaffir did a great special on it called
Speaker 6: jew and he broke down some of these are fucking ridiculous,
Speaker 6: like the if a GOI was to come up to
Speaker 6: the communal soup pot and just throw some ham in it,
Speaker 6: because you know, them fucking goy they'd be doing that
Speaker 6: to Jews from time to time and just take off running.
Speaker 7: Okay, wait, we don't like wasting shit.
Speaker 6: So what is the pork to soup ratio that is
Speaker 6: allowed under Talmudic law one in sixty by the way,
Speaker 6: and there is actually a Jewish word for that, and
Speaker 6: Ur shaf Your did a whole bit on it. So
Speaker 6: the talm it has the wildest shit in it because
Speaker 6: it was a list of rules that just was over
Speaker 6: time compiled for instances.
Speaker 7: That they thought of as they went.
Speaker 3: That's that's what that's kind of like me from what
Speaker 3: I've read, it's like you were right in this as
Speaker 3: you went, weren't you, like what the fuck.
Speaker 6: They one hundred percent were? And I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: to throw shade on it. I'm saying it because it
Speaker 6: was ritten. If you look at the time and data
Speaker 6: when it was written, I understand why you can throw
Speaker 6: shade at it. And there's parts of it that absolutely
Speaker 6: need to have shade thrown on it. But as far
Speaker 6: as how it was like a running dialogue, so to speak,
Speaker 6: it was while they were on the run. They were
Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to be Jews in territory
Speaker 6: that was no longer Israel, so it was trying to
Speaker 6: find the Jews and don'ts for wherever you live, so
Speaker 6: to speak.
Speaker 7: I get it.
Speaker 6: But also it absolutely gives permission to pedophiles and like
Speaker 6: of the worst. So like that, also, we need to
Speaker 6: make sure the shade gets thrown on it, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Makes sense of the tunnels in New York.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, that's fucking I still blows my mind.
Speaker 7: That's fucking wild.
Speaker 3: Dude, it blows my mind. But it's also terribly not surprising. Belie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when it came out, I was like, that is disgusting,
Speaker 3: and also I expect nothing less. Huh.
Speaker 7: I didn't expect it from the Jews.
Speaker 6: Is it crazy that I expected it from the Koreans
Speaker 6: before I expected it from the Jews?
Speaker 7: Am I the bad guy here? I need to know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean you're definitely racist and anti Semitic, so good,
Speaker 3: good job box checking.
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to.
Speaker 7: Gonna start tunneling, that's the wildest ship to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, but look, whenever it comes to Abrahamic beliefs, I'll
Speaker 2: just group it all together like that. Kids of our
Speaker 2: kids are always getting fucked.
Speaker 1: Let's just be real. The priests, the Catholic priests.
Speaker 2: Are doing it, the Muslims are doing it, the fucking
Speaker 2: Jews are doing it.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody just wants to kiss.
Speaker 3: I saw that from you. Thank you for that sound drop. Kids.
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is in religion.
Speaker 6: It's been across the world, dude, it didn't matter what religion.
Speaker 6: You could look at the Roman legionnaires. They were notorious
Speaker 6: for raping children when they would come through a town. Sure,
Speaker 6: if you look at Genghis khans Men, it's not just
Speaker 6: a religion.
Speaker 1: That point is.
Speaker 2: My point is is if it's not going to happen somewhere,
Speaker 2: you would expect it not to happen within a religion
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If anywhere it's not going to happen, it shouldn't happen there,
Speaker 2: And yet it happens there more than almost everywhere else.
Speaker 3: I agree, especially with such stringent rules. But and I've
Speaker 3: heard a lot of people make arguments that it's because
Speaker 3: back then people only live so long, and there is
Speaker 3: an I wouldn't say an argument, but there I could
Speaker 3: see where primitive people would say, once you go through puberty,
Speaker 3: you are a man or a woman, and that's why
Speaker 3: they started fucking them At twelve or thirteen, they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: you can have children, that means you're obviously a man
Speaker 3: or a woman. And that carries on to indigenous people too,
Speaker 3: where they go on spirit quest at twelve years old
Speaker 3: and the dad sends them out into the woods and
Speaker 3: they're like, if you live, then you're a man. If
Speaker 3: you die, then fuck you. It's crazy, like they did
Speaker 3: crazy shit. So it's only in recent like modern history
Speaker 3: that we have this weird area of time called adolescence,
Speaker 3: and it's fucked kids up because they they're in this
Speaker 3: in between us where they're like, well, I'm not trustworthy
Speaker 3: enough to be a you know, a man or a
Speaker 3: woman or an adult yet, but I'm also not a
Speaker 3: fucking kid in more so, we have this adolescence and
Speaker 3: that's called the terrible teen years, and we all have
Speaker 3: to deal with it. If you have a kid, just
Speaker 3: a few.
Speaker 5: Years, Oh, I reread a motor vehicle.
Speaker 7: Oh sorry, say all that again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had muted.
Speaker 5: No, you're all right, I said, in just a few years,
Speaker 5: you're allowed to operate a motor vehicle.
Speaker 3: Terrifying.
Speaker 5: I think sixteen fifteen and a half is a crazy,
Speaker 5: crazy time.
Speaker 1: It really is a car.
Speaker 3: But I do agree with sending them out in the
Speaker 3: woods with a spear and saying survive for three days.
Speaker 5: I do too. I think I think it teaches though
Speaker 5: what's missing from kids these days is responsibility, accountability for
Speaker 5: your actions because we love them, accountable for it. Jeckshit anymore.
Speaker 3: Yes, for life can depend on us self. Responsibility is
Speaker 3: another thing. You should just have that.
Speaker 5: But that's so true. The good times make you know whatever,
Speaker 5: frag men make good times, Yeah, good times, make whatever.
Speaker 7: Oh my god. And the one times I am so
Speaker 7: proud of my son.
Speaker 6: So I got a dummy because I train I do
Speaker 6: the armored fighting thing, so cool.
Speaker 7: I got a dummy set up. My son was just ha, No, actually,
Speaker 7: he's fucking on a roll. Kid, He's insane.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so he was like spartan kicking the dummy
Speaker 6: that I have set up, and it's like one of
Speaker 6: those water based ones. The lid of it cracked and
Speaker 6: he felt so bad about it, and I was like,
Speaker 6: all right, buddy, let's see what's up.
Speaker 7: A couple of.
Speaker 6: Christmases ago, he got a three D printer pin and
Speaker 6: he put the pieces together and started three D printing
Speaker 6: in like basically plastic welding this cat back together and
Speaker 6: like grinding it down through some green on that shit. Yeah,
Speaker 6: my kid's eleven years old. He's fucking tony starking this
Speaker 6: shit back together. Now, I will say it did not
Speaker 6: seal good with water. I'm gonna just put a layer
Speaker 6: of silicon in it and have him do it again.
Speaker 7: But my point is it's the effort. See, kids don't
Speaker 7: know how to do shit anymore.
Speaker 6: I forced my kids to figure it the fuck out
Speaker 6: for situations like this. Could I have lost my mind
Speaker 6: and you broke my shirt? Yeah I could have. Who
Speaker 6: would have learned from that? What would have been gained?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, you're right, No, who would have learned from that?
Speaker 3: Your kid? And he would have learned to be a
Speaker 3: fucking asshole.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you know what I mean one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And so it's ship like that. The kids haven't been
Speaker 6: and it's not like you put your kids in bad
Speaker 6: situations where you force them to figure it out.
Speaker 7: Look, life's gonna life. Curve balls are gonna do that.
Speaker 7: Shit's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: You need to be able to teach them how to
Speaker 6: deal with the curveballs when they come.
Speaker 7: Not be afraid of them, and don't don't react.
Speaker 6: Ridiculously to them. You know, your day himself ship like
Speaker 6: that and your spear fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, snowflake is way overused, and it's kind of been
Speaker 3: attributed to like Maga alt right, But no, we just
Speaker 3: mean people that can't do shit for themselves, who are
Speaker 3: fucking pussies who get offended at everything, that dye their
Speaker 3: hair blue and work at Starbucks because they can't do
Speaker 3: anything else. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: When you react inappropriately to an obstacle in front of you,
Speaker 5: basically that's all it is.
Speaker 3: It's like, WHOA, calm down. And I grew up in
Speaker 3: an era the eighties and nineties where we went outside
Speaker 3: and ate dirt and fucking you know whatever. Helliet, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I recognize the difference between generations to it,
Speaker 3: like when the boomers are like, well, back in my day,
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it was a different world. So I
Speaker 3: try to I try to translate that to the kids now,
Speaker 3: where I'm like, it was a different fucking world in
Speaker 3: the nineties when I grew up, So I get that,
Speaker 3: But there's certain things like it doesn't matter what world
Speaker 3: you're living in, still applies.
Speaker 5: Taught us to be strong, though. We taught our kids
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying we like everybody, but this our
Speaker 5: generation created the kids that are Gen Z right now,
Speaker 5: like sorry.
Speaker 1: It's helicopter, it's helicopter.
Speaker 5: It is hard on us and we didn't want that.
Speaker 5: So we tried to protect our kids and tried to
Speaker 5: just talk to them and say it's okay, just talk
Speaker 5: to people about your feelings. Instead of saying also, sometimes
Speaker 5: you might have to punch them in the face, so
Speaker 5: that's okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, you can cut your dick off whatever.
Speaker 1: Me and Jacob have a mutual friend.
Speaker 2: I don't want to call out any names here or anything,
Speaker 2: but they do that softcore parenting bullshit, and for some
Speaker 2: reason that is just socially accepted to where you know,
Speaker 2: you never scream at your kid, you never raise your voice,
Speaker 2: you don't spank them, you don't punish them in any
Speaker 2: kind of way, you don't take away their video games.
Speaker 2: Are nothing like that. It is absolute. It's I honestly
Speaker 2: view it as pussy parenting. And some people will say, well,
Speaker 2: that's how the kid is gonna grow up, and they're
Speaker 2: they're gonna be more mature because they're not gonna be
Speaker 2: looked down on and they're not gonna be punished, so
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be you know, they're not gonna have
Speaker 2: a certain type of way about looking at the world.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I'm looking at their kid and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this kid's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1: Like it makes sense that you're parenting this.
Speaker 6: Way, sociopath dude, Like this kid's going to kill people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like whenever you like your kid, literally, will
Speaker 2: will believe at that.
Speaker 1: Point, I can do whatever I want. If I want to.
Speaker 2: Kill up and kick my teacher in the balls, there's
Speaker 2: not gonna be in any repercussions because my parents didn't
Speaker 2: spank me, my parents didn't discipline me in any kind
Speaker 2: of way. Whenever I kick my daddy in the balls,
Speaker 2: it's like, what the fuck is wrong with people? It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't get it. Oh, you know what it is.
Speaker 6: And these are the same types of fucking you know what. Ooh,
Speaker 6: I don't mean that. You know how I go on
Speaker 6: my rants. I'm not gonna scream, I'm gonna keep it calm.
Speaker 6: But on your fucking parents that throw their kids in
Speaker 6: front of a tablet, in front of a screen. Now listen,
Speaker 6: I am not talking about when you're on a road
Speaker 6: trip and you're in a very small, confined space for
Speaker 6: like eight fucking hours.
Speaker 7: Look, you do what you have to do to survive.
Speaker 6: No one's judging, Okay, I'm talking about the parents that
Speaker 6: like when their kids get home from school, they don't
Speaker 6: talk to them. They don't know who their kid's best
Speaker 6: friend is, they don't know who their kids crush is
Speaker 6: they throw on whatever's in front of them, and they
Speaker 6: started so young. Now there are studies that have recently
Speaker 6: come out that these kids of the last since twenty
Speaker 6: twenty to now, these kids that have been shown blippy
Speaker 6: and cocoa melon and all this shit NonStop, have less
Speaker 6: gray matter in their brain, like their brains are actually
Speaker 6: developing at a slower rate, and they don't know how
Speaker 6: to teach these kids that are now getting to the
Speaker 6: very foundational building block ages of how to read, how
Speaker 6: to write, how to do basic math, while they're trying
Speaker 6: to teach common core bullshit or whatever this shit is.
Speaker 3: But a side moment plus two equals five, that's common core.
Speaker 7: It's this thing where two plus two equals four.
Speaker 6: But the reason why is cause you take two and
Speaker 6: break it down to one plus one and then one
Speaker 6: plus one, and now it's one plus one plus one
Speaker 6: plus one equals four. And somehow that makes way more
Speaker 6: sense than just showing them that I don't fucking get it,
Speaker 6: but whatever, I blame Asians anyway. So this this whole thing,
Speaker 6: these kids are coming into school with less gray matter
Speaker 6: in their brain in actual, scientifically trackable shorter attention spans.
Speaker 6: Now every fucking it has add every kid is on
Speaker 6: the spectrum, and it's like, wait a minute, no, they
Speaker 6: really fucking are because their parents just kept them in
Speaker 6: front of the TV for the last five years of
Speaker 6: their life and now they're in first grade and they're fucked.
Speaker 3: And well, no, it's that mixed with there's so many
Speaker 3: diagnoses now in the DSM and shit that you can
Speaker 3: basically just flip through it and be like, that's me,
Speaker 3: I need a medicine now, and then every shitty thing
Speaker 3: you do you can just be like it's because of that.
Speaker 5: And I saw so many kids when I worked with
Speaker 5: kids on the spectrum. There are kids who you can
Speaker 5: tell were like, legit, they could have been vaccine injured, yeah,
Speaker 5: or born that way. I'm not one hundred percent sure,
Speaker 5: but I know magnet therapy is a huge thing with autism.
Speaker 5: But whatever, we don't have to get into that. But
Speaker 5: there are other kids that came to me so to
Speaker 5: get to me, I was the intervention specialist and the
Speaker 5: program manager. The only way that they would come to
Speaker 5: me is if they already have a diagnosis from a
Speaker 5: licensed therapist, and then through the Far Northern Regional Center,
Speaker 5: which is like they like social workers that kind of
Speaker 5: go out whatever, who cares. There's regional centers all over California,
Speaker 5: so but they have social workers that go out and
Speaker 5: just diagnose these kids, and a lot of them would
Speaker 5: I would say a majority of them didn't necessarily have
Speaker 5: true autism in my opinion, and I am not a
Speaker 5: medical doctor, but they just had massive behavioral issues. And
Speaker 5: that was also just they said autism is an umbrella.
Speaker 5: There's so many things that it can be, which is
Speaker 5: completely true. But I met lots of kids though, who
Speaker 5: couldn't talk, who didn't understand anything. Or one time I
Speaker 5: showed a kid who was responsive to nothing, like he
Speaker 5: didn't interact with his parents. He was only eighteen months old.
Speaker 5: I showed him numbers, and I thought it would be boring.
Speaker 5: I brought these number of cards one day, and this
Speaker 5: is the only story I have like this. He's like
Speaker 5: a number savant. And I saw so many kiddos, but
Speaker 5: he knew what they were. And he was eighteen months old.
Speaker 5: His mom would tell people, Oh, this is Jen, She's
Speaker 5: teaching him numbers, and I was like, no, no, he's
Speaker 5: a baby, I'm not teaching him numbers. Like he already
Speaker 5: knows what they are. I would say ten and he
Speaker 5: would go ten. His first words were numbers, and they
Speaker 5: were with me. And that's an awful fucking feeling to
Speaker 5: be in front of the parents and the kid says
Speaker 5: their first words with a complete stranger, Like you'd think
Speaker 5: that would feel great, but it doesn't. You want those
Speaker 5: first words to be with the parents, and.
Speaker 3: It's like inside was like fuck, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it wasn't. No, it felt horrible because they
Speaker 5: were like.
Speaker 7: Paly happy too. The mom was happy the kid finally
Speaker 7: spoke at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they were, they were, but I mean.
Speaker 7: Then yeah, it was it mama or dad. Don that sucks, right.
Speaker 5: They would be like, we were out at Costco. This
Speaker 5: one girl, I so, who definitely had true autism. She
Speaker 5: also liked numbers actually, but she would she would point
Speaker 5: out I had to sing to her for the entire
Speaker 5: hour that I saw her, just songs the whole time
Speaker 5: while the family watched Super Fun. But she said, we
Speaker 5: were in Costco the other day and my daughter said
Speaker 5: she pointed, which is something kids with autism typically do
Speaker 5: not do either. She pointed and said free and pointed
Speaker 5: to the three that was like glowing over the Costco
Speaker 5: register or whatever, and like that was like the first
Speaker 5: time she done anything like that because she was just
Speaker 5: I don't know, they're wired differently. The kids who were
Speaker 5: just literally like the kids who spit chocolate milk in
Speaker 5: my face or punched me in the face or like
Speaker 5: cut my face, like they almost I almost had to
Speaker 5: stitches because this kid broke my face with a train.
Speaker 5: He didn't have autism, in my opinion, he just was
Speaker 5: sitting in front of a tablet for his entire life,
Speaker 5: just a fuck. And yeah, like some kids are bad,
Speaker 5: but they're like that's autism too. So I don't know
Speaker 5: if the if autism is truly as prevalent as they're
Speaker 5: saying it is.
Speaker 1: I would point a.
Speaker 3: Lot of that, But like I was talking about with
Speaker 3: the DSM and like, oh, you can just pick one
Speaker 3: out that suits you. The victim mentality, and that's a
Speaker 3: different thing. We've done whole shows on that. The victim
Speaker 3: mentality is taught to kids now where they're like everything
Speaker 3: is somebody else's fault, Like whatever you do, it's it's
Speaker 3: you can find somebody to blame that on, Okay, as
Speaker 3: long as it's not yourself. Use the passive tens like
Speaker 3: it's it's fucking wild.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually have an article we can read in
Speaker 2: the meantime because there is something that I found really fascinating,
Speaker 2: and there was a there was actually somebody we had
Speaker 2: on my other podcast, Meta Mysteries that was bringing this up.
Speaker 2: As far as you know, a lot of the drones
Speaker 2: that are being seen in the sky, could they possibly
Speaker 2: be alien? Could they be you know, adversary drones that
Speaker 2: are just coming into our airspace and and we don't
Speaker 2: have any way of tracking them or or whatever.
Speaker 1: And some people are.
Speaker 2: Saying, well, these drones, they're a little different, and that's why,
Speaker 2: you know, they believe that they could possibly be aliens,
Speaker 2: because there's a they're the size of a small car,
Speaker 2: right and and and then so we we looked up
Speaker 2: this article and it's actually from Asia Times dot com
Speaker 2: and I'll actually share it here because it is wild.
Speaker 7: Good times.
Speaker 2: Asia Times bro they've been doing this drone shit. It
Speaker 2: says this is just one of the articles which is
Speaker 2: pretty interesting, but it says China unveils new aerial cluster
Speaker 2: drone for swarm attacks. Okay, and that's exactly what they
Speaker 2: say is going on up in New Jersey where basically
Speaker 2: you'll have one seemingly one singular drone up there, and
Speaker 2: then they'll spread out, almost like the Phoenix lights kind
Speaker 2: of situation where it started as one and then it
Speaker 2: kind of just builds up into a hundred of them
Speaker 2: or a thousand of them or whatever it was. But
Speaker 2: if you look at this, all of these are they
Speaker 2: can go into one unit and then they spread out
Speaker 2: and disperse all over the place. But it says that
Speaker 2: here in this article, Chinese scientists have developed a new
Speaker 2: type of war drone. They can rapidly multiply mid air
Speaker 2: a tactical shock and off phenomenon potential against potential adversaries.
Speaker 1: Like the US.
Speaker 2: So how about that they're already talking about against potent
Speaker 2: cential adversaries like the United States. This is from the
Speaker 2: Asia Times. That's exactly what we're seeing up in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, a lot of people are saying, well,
Speaker 2: you're seeing the green and the red lights on it,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if it could be alien or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, dude, I know there's people out there
Speaker 2: that want to believe that this is alien shit. I
Speaker 2: just don't buy it. Like from what I've seen as
Speaker 2: far as what I believe are alien, I'm not buying
Speaker 2: this being alien shit now.
Speaker 5: They're behaving too much like humans. If it was alien,
Speaker 5: it would they would be doing things that were weird.
Speaker 5: They're doing things like what a drone does, what any
Speaker 5: drone that we've ever seen does. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: everything's you know, exact, but we're not. I haven't seen
Speaker 5: anything that makes me think it's actually aliens. I mean,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to say except this is something
Speaker 5: that a drone could absolutely do. But I've heard I've
Speaker 5: read articles too where people flew their own drones up
Speaker 5: to try to track the drone and as soon as
Speaker 5: they flew their drone up clothes to it, it was
Speaker 5: taken over or the battery was dead immediately. Did you
Speaker 5: read that stuff.
Speaker 2: Too, No, I didn't hear about that. But I feel
Speaker 2: like the AI that is being created literally on a
Speaker 2: NonStop basis and with the whole machine learning, I feel
Speaker 2: like that's something you could teach AI like personally, like
Speaker 2: you know, especially for warlike times like check out this article.
Speaker 2: Well this isn't from Asian Times, this is actually from
Speaker 2: droneexl dot com. But it says the US. Oh, hold on,
Speaker 2: it actually says the US, UK and Australia test AI
Speaker 2: powered drone swarms in groundbreaking military exercise. This was back
Speaker 2: in August of this year. This article was posted and
Speaker 2: so and also I was like, you know, just taking
Speaker 2: a look at some of these drones, they look pretty cool,
Speaker 2: like little mini fighter jet looking things.
Speaker 1: But if you notice on.
Speaker 2: The the what is it called the spoiler I guess
Speaker 2: of this airplane or of this drone tail fin of
Speaker 2: the tail fin right, look, it says blue bear on it. Dude,
Speaker 2: you change out that are on the end and you
Speaker 2: replace it with an M.
Speaker 1: That's fucking blue bean. That's what they're doing, bro.
Speaker 2: Like, I honestly believe that that this is on some
Speaker 2: Blue Beam level shit, because if you see like some
Speaker 2: of the drone exercise, like some of the drone shows,
Speaker 2: even like how they'll all come together, and this is
Speaker 2: exactly what people have been saying the Blue Beam was
Speaker 2: eventually going to be in the future one day.
Speaker 1: Where it'll basically just be.
Speaker 2: Like a show put on in the sky and you're
Speaker 2: gonna see all the religious figures come together and form
Speaker 2: into one entity.
Speaker 1: That sounds like.
Speaker 2: Something you could do for like a drone show.
Speaker 6: Right, This type of drone is very antiquated though, I
Speaker 6: mean drone technology that's like an older one, like the
Speaker 6: predator drones like we had in the military when I
Speaker 6: was in was basically like a small plane. And then
Speaker 6: we had the very very small one that could like
Speaker 6: fit in a backpack and you had to like hammet
Speaker 6: and it was like you know those like big star
Speaker 6: phone planes you used to put together that would like
Speaker 6: glide when.
Speaker 7: You were a kid.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it was like three times the size of that,
Speaker 6: and like that was the smallest quote unquote drone that
Speaker 6: we had, but it was only with a camera.
Speaker 7: It only could fly so far away, and it was
Speaker 7: half the time. It sucked and you couldn't use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these ones, aren't you know?
Speaker 2: These You wouldn't mistake these for a small car in
Speaker 2: the sky. These are clearly like smaller drones.
Speaker 1: This exactly.
Speaker 5: We're reporting that they saw planes. It looked like a plane,
Speaker 5: and then some people were reporting drones. Like people are
Speaker 5: reporting different things. The confusion I think is deliberate as well, right.
Speaker 2: Right, well, And what I want to put out here
Speaker 2: to check the shit out, dude, It says the British
Speaker 2: contingent contributed a fleet of drones developed by Blue Bear,
Speaker 2: including two red Kite drones capable of traveling up to
Speaker 2: sixty miles with a five kilogram payload, and then also
Speaker 2: six Ghost drones previously tested in the UK's largest military
Speaker 2: drone swarm trial. So like they've been working on this
Speaker 2: kind of shit, and I think that that's honestly, I
Speaker 2: think that's what we're seeing. I think that these are
Speaker 2: just an advanced form of drone that most eyes haven't
Speaker 2: seen before. Like technology is constantly an advancing and with
Speaker 2: the use of AI, it's going to be advancing exponentially,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's exactly what we're seeing in
Speaker 2: the guy's personally.
Speaker 5: So I guess the FBI is involved now with the
Speaker 5: drones over New Jersey, But what the fuck? Why not
Speaker 5: the military? Why isn't there more being said about what
Speaker 5: the military is doing it.
Speaker 3: For national security?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel like something like this that's
Speaker 5: a big deal that everyone's reporting on. Everyone has their
Speaker 5: own TikTok channel now and they're just recording all this shit.
Speaker 5: No one's shutting it down. I feel like it would
Speaker 5: be shut down really quick, or there would be some
Speaker 5: sort of action taken like you can't do this or
Speaker 5: you can't do that, something that maybe we all wouldn't
Speaker 5: like that would happen to at least address the problem.
Speaker 5: And I just feel like that's absent.
Speaker 3: Well, if you listen to the Congressional here ring in
Speaker 3: the Department of State or whatever the fuck department government bullshit,
Speaker 3: the lady that answered the questions like is this ours
Speaker 3: or is it somebody else's, she said, no, it's not ours,
Speaker 3: and it's also not somebody else's, So shout out to
Speaker 3: our big dumb mouth. My favorite show of all time,
Speaker 3: h cretch It on there was saying, so it's contractors.
Speaker 3: This is where they loophole shit, where they're like, it's
Speaker 3: not ours, it's not our American military. It's also not Iran.
Speaker 3: It's a private contractor who's testing some shit out, but
Speaker 3: they're under the umbrella of the US government, so they
Speaker 3: don't have to recognize it as US government, but they're
Speaker 3: contracted out. So they're also told to stand down from
Speaker 3: doing anything about it because they're like, no, we're just
Speaker 3: doing exercises or whatever. That seems the most probable to
Speaker 3: me do I think it's aliens.
Speaker 1: No, dude, I actually I peel were going.
Speaker 5: To take that and think it's aliens. Keep going.
Speaker 2: No, I actually have a video of one of the
Speaker 2: New Jersey, one of the New Jersey state representatives, speaking
Speaker 2: on what he was able to witness inside of that
Speaker 2: courtroom or whatever. Right, and dude, y'all are gonna fucking
Speaker 2: lose your shit whenever you hear what he has to
Speaker 2: say on it. It's pretty hilarious. Actually it's like two and
Speaker 2: a half minutes. But just listen to this like it's
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 7: All right, So you're here today, you were just inside.
Speaker 7: You walked out? Why I walked out? Because it was worthless.
Speaker 4: It was the biggest amateur hour presentation I've ever seen
Speaker 4: about anything. Okay, it was ridiculous. There were no answers.
Speaker 4: Every question that was asked by a member of the
Speaker 4: state legislature are great questions, no answers, no resolution. They
Speaker 4: don't know where the drones are coming from, they don't
Speaker 4: know who's doing it, they don't know why they're doing it,
Speaker 4: but they say there's no credible threat. It was annoying
Speaker 4: to be there. I drove two hours to be here today.
Speaker 4: Spend an hour in there. I got to drive two
Speaker 4: hours back, the biggest waste of five hours in my
Speaker 4: entire life.
Speaker 7: So why do you think they called this meeting?
Speaker 1: No idea?
Speaker 7: Why would you call me to tell people you don't
Speaker 7: know anything? I have no idea?
Speaker 4: And then when the legislators would ask questions, there were
Speaker 4: no answers. Here's the most frustrating part. The Courlis State
Speaker 4: police said that he had a helicopter of his flying
Speaker 4: over above one of these drones, a six foot drone
Speaker 4: or something. I can't remember exactly what he said, and
Speaker 4: he just he felt unsafe for his helicopter, so we
Speaker 4: just let it go, just let it go, and where
Speaker 4: to go?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 4: You know? Didn't want to follow it because he didn't
Speaker 4: feel safe. Is that not the most ridiculous thing you've
Speaker 4: ever heard?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, do they have any Do they have
Speaker 2: any idea where these drones are originating?
Speaker 4: No, they don't. They would maybe if they followed that
Speaker 4: sucker when it landed, they would know, but they don't.
Speaker 4: This is this is a complete lack of effort in
Speaker 4: my opinion, on trying to figure this out. This is
Speaker 4: not about ability. We have the technology, we have the people,
Speaker 4: we have the training, we have the resources, we have
Speaker 4: the money. It's just a lack of effort. I mean
Speaker 4: they are I don't know, I don't know. They should
Speaker 4: be saying, you know what they should have done today
Speaker 4: with productive use of our time. If they didn't know anything,
Speaker 4: come in there and say, hey, legislators, we don't know anything,
Speaker 4: but if you get us these ten things, do these
Speaker 4: ten things for us, and the governor calls in this
Speaker 4: kind of action, we can figure it out. Will you
Speaker 4: help us?
Speaker 1: And then we would have helped them.
Speaker 4: But instead it was just excuse after excuse and we
Speaker 4: know nothing. It was infuriating and I got up and.
Speaker 7: I walked out.
Speaker 3: You've been in the service, I love.
Speaker 4: This was an attack helicopter pilot APATCHE helicopter pilot in
Speaker 4: the Army, and I helped stand up the initial Unmanned
Speaker 4: Aircraft Training Battalion in the Aviation sector of the Army.
Speaker 4: So I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: And these guys are not doing the job they need
Speaker 4: to do to figure out what's going on, and that
Speaker 4: is the Department Homeland Security, the FBI, and the state Police.
Speaker 7: And they're saying no, no threat to two Americans.
Speaker 4: They're saying, no threat, but had the hell do they know?
Speaker 4: They don't know anything. They don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: they don't know where it come from, they don't know nothing.
Speaker 4: When I walked in here today, I was actually pretty calm.
Speaker 4: I was excited to be here to find out a
Speaker 4: couple of things. I thought they'd be like, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: it's FedEx trying to figure out. But instead I got
Speaker 4: the most ridiculous amateur hour briefing I've ever sat through.
Speaker 3: Wow, yes, dud, dude, I love that guy. So I
Speaker 3: heard that clip earlier today and I'm like, so that's
Speaker 3: everybody in this community. Every time there's a congressional hearing
Speaker 3: with Grush or u jouel is Isondo or anything, everybody's like,
Speaker 3: that was a fucking waste of time. Why would we
Speaker 3: tune into this for you to tell us fucking nothing.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, there's some ship up there, and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we know what is it? You tell me it's not
Speaker 3: on radar. You're full of shit.
Speaker 6: I have a theory and it's just and this could
Speaker 6: go two ways on it, honestly or.
Speaker 3: Misinformation, no conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 7: Yes, one hundred percent on that one. All right.
Speaker 6: So you said that there were green and red lights
Speaker 6: on it. Okay, so that tells me at least it's
Speaker 6: man made. I do not believe it's alien craft. However,
Speaker 6: I do think that we can tie in a very
Speaker 6: famous alien craft into this. Let me let me take
Speaker 6: you out back in time a couple of decades, real quick, Okay,
Speaker 6: there was an alleged crash landing in New Mexico area
Speaker 6: called Roswell, and there was a crash that was recovered
Speaker 6: by the United States government. Over the next few decades,
Speaker 6: there was some technology that was reverse engineered and some
Speaker 6: new types of aircraft that were being tested flying over
Speaker 6: the Nevada Desert. A lot of people called in these
Speaker 6: crazy flying crafts, saying that they didn't know what it was.
Speaker 6: They thought it was a UFO. The government told them
Speaker 6: not to worry about it. It wasn't a threat. Now,
Speaker 6: some of those were in fact UFO sightings. Some of
Speaker 6: those were people seeing a new bomber or a new
Speaker 6: jet or something for the first time that no human
Speaker 6: had ever seen flying before, and they didn't know what
Speaker 6: the fuck to make of it. Now, some of that
Speaker 6: arguably was built using reverse engineered alien tech.
Speaker 7: Now, could this be something similar?
Speaker 6: Could this be some sort of a United States like
Speaker 6: you're saying, government contractor who knows, possibly some sort of
Speaker 6: a drone lab in that area that is testing the
Speaker 6: capabilities of this type of thing.
Speaker 7: They should have gone to the middle of bum fuck nowhere.
Speaker 6: But the these people, they think it's drones, so nobody'll notice.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be shocked if we started seeing drones the
Speaker 6: size of cars being used in our military, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: recruiting campaigns and commercials and shit here in the next
Speaker 6: ten years of the new tech wing of the Space Force,
Speaker 6: and you just had these things of these massive fucking
Speaker 6: drones that look like the terminator fucked one and like
Speaker 6: this is what came out and like boom, and like you.
Speaker 7: See what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Could it be that what we are seeing is experimental,
Speaker 6: possible future government tech getting test flights and people are
Speaker 6: catching possible footage of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure that's possible, But why would you do it
Speaker 5: in a way that would scare your own people.
Speaker 3: Because they know it's a twenty four hour news cycle
Speaker 3: and everybody's gonna forget.
Speaker 5: And the only way I'm not I'm not from the military,
Speaker 5: but I do know that the only way they would
Speaker 5: ever recruit people by showing footage of those drones that
Speaker 5: are the size of cars is if we already knew
Speaker 5: that our enemies had those, because we're not gonna let
Speaker 5: them know that we have that kind of technology. So
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's weird.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, like, in the future, like ten years from now,
Speaker 6: we may see a commercial of a drone the size
Speaker 6: of a car on it, Like we this is an experiment.
Speaker 7: Now, they're not ready to release that to the world yet.
Speaker 6: But maybe here in the future they'll be like unleasheing
Speaker 6: this new thing.
Speaker 7: It'll be a whole you know, don't.
Speaker 5: Maybe, but like at the at the cost of what, Like,
Speaker 5: you just scared the people of New Jersey and pissed
Speaker 5: off a bunch of people and left everyone in confusion
Speaker 5: just because you were testing.
Speaker 3: So that's fucked up.
Speaker 5: That is really fucked up.
Speaker 3: The Americans like a teenager, they don't give a shit
Speaker 3: who it effects. They're just doing their thing.
Speaker 5: So and how are they going to recruit the people
Speaker 5: to come work for them when we know they're fucking liars.
Speaker 5: Why would I want to work for a bunch.
Speaker 3: Of fucking because I would say ninety percent of the
Speaker 3: population still trust what they see on the TV. It's
Speaker 3: that fucking easy. Uh, Like back in the eighties when
Speaker 3: they first released I think it was in the eighties
Speaker 3: when they first were like, look at this crazy shit
Speaker 3: and they rolled out the B two Bomber. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: still to this day like debate on how the fuck
Speaker 3: that thing flies without a tail fin? Every other plane
Speaker 3: in existence has a tail fin and like stabilizer.
Speaker 5: Do you know the answer to this?
Speaker 3: This is a flying it too?
Speaker 7: Oh you're talking about the flat disc one?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yah, no, no, my bad.
Speaker 1: To be too.
Speaker 6: You know, it's a triangle about the stealthing that had
Speaker 6: all the hard jagged edges, different one, different one.
Speaker 3: Right, the B two Spirit it's completely flat. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's a feat of engineering. I think here's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: This went back to the eighties. If I'm not mistaken
Speaker 3: in fact check me if you want. I don't care.
Speaker 3: But I think it was back in the eighties when
Speaker 3: they first publicly publicly came out with this and everyone
Speaker 3: was like what, Yeah, you don't think that thing was
Speaker 3: in the works for a few decades before that exactly,
Speaker 3: and made sure it worked. And now they're like in
Speaker 3: the eighties or like, look at this. They still fly
Speaker 3: that motherfucker today as far as we know. So what
Speaker 3: else do they have that They're like a decade away
Speaker 3: from being like, look what we have now and really
Speaker 3: happen out since nineteen ninety five, like.
Speaker 6: Exactly, And so many people saw the Prototype B two
Speaker 6: flying and said they saw a flying saucer.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a triangle.
Speaker 5: So debuty tracking the human response as well, to be like,
Speaker 5: what will our enemies say about this? How will you feel?
Speaker 5: How will they respond?
Speaker 7: Call it a uh fire drill?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it's all drills, baby drill, baby drill.
Speaker 6: How will the public respond if they saw a bunch
Speaker 6: of wild, unexplainable shit just out of nowhere and as
Speaker 6: they have just seen, people will TikTok about it.
Speaker 7: But people will still just go on about their daily lives.
Speaker 3: No, and in five years they won't even remember. They'll
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, I remember seeing that back when
Speaker 3: I was like this age. Oh that's cool. It's out
Speaker 3: there now, and they're like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Ten years, it'll probably be like forty years or I'll
Speaker 5: finally release it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. With the attention span of today's youth
Speaker 3: and everything going on, it could be six months and
Speaker 3: they'd be.
Speaker 5: Like, well, we'll say something good about about gen Z.
Speaker 5: They don't trust shit, which is really funny because they
Speaker 5: see all this shit on TikTok that they do know
Speaker 5: is fake. They still love it, they still watch it.
Speaker 5: I was just saying this about our nephew. I was
Speaker 5: telling him he was playing hide and seek with our
Speaker 5: kiddo and another kiddo, and I told him that the
Speaker 5: kids weren't in places he was looking. I didn't. I
Speaker 5: wasn't riding out where the kids were hiding. I didn't
Speaker 5: actually know where the kids were hiding. But he was
Speaker 5: looking in places that I knew that they weren't. And
Speaker 5: I was like, don't waste your time. They went that
Speaker 5: way and that's all I said, And that way there
Speaker 5: was a lot of shit to look for, Like I
Speaker 5: wasn't given shit away. But he was like, hmm, I
Speaker 5: don't believe you, and he still looked in those places,
Speaker 5: and I said, you know what, good for you don't
Speaker 5: trust people. I'm glad that you did. That. I was
Speaker 5: so proud of him, but also I was like, you
Speaker 5: wasted your time, and he's like, fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my kids for Easter for sure. I'm always like,
Speaker 2: it's not over there. They're like, you're trying to throw
Speaker 2: me off the track. I already know what you're doing, right,
Speaker 2: You're raising though.
Speaker 5: That's a good quality to just at least question it
Speaker 5: and then find out for yourself.
Speaker 3: That's great, and that'd be funny to be on the inside,
Speaker 3: like conversation of like two six year olds and they're like, bro,
Speaker 3: I know it sounds crazy, but my parents keep telling
Speaker 3: me there's this fat dude that lives on the North
Speaker 3: Pole that keeps like weirdly delivering presents to kids every
Speaker 3: year that are good. Like, I think they're full of shit,
Speaker 3: and the kids like misinformation. I'm fact checking you, and
Speaker 3: you're now censored from Twitter because you don't believe in
Speaker 3: Santa Okay. And then they grow up and they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I've been lied to my whole life.
Speaker 3: This is the story of all of us.
Speaker 1: Here we have.
Speaker 3: We grow up and we're like, oh fuck, we've been
Speaker 3: lied to this whole time.
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking, though, as far as
Speaker 2: you know, could these drones be some kind of contractor
Speaker 2: you know, it's not us, it's not them, it would
Speaker 2: be some kind of contractor. And you know, I know
Speaker 2: that that sounds kind of that might sound kind of
Speaker 2: crazy to just the average Joe out there, but I
Speaker 2: think that that our country, in almost every other country
Speaker 2: has contracted terrorists one way or another. You know, look
Speaker 2: at looking exactly. You know, Tim Osman was our boy,
Speaker 2: right b.
Speaker 7: Both of his sons are right now.
Speaker 2: Right, So you got you had Osama bin Laden, you
Speaker 2: had Isis, you got fucking net and Yahoo using hamas
Speaker 2: or he was using hamas there for a little while.
Speaker 2: He actually helped orchestrate and put them into a group.
Speaker 2: And now he's wondering, why are they going up against us?
Speaker 2: It's like I think that you know, there there have
Speaker 2: always been some kind of terrorist group that people have
Speaker 2: used as some kind of pond to help further whatever
Speaker 2: their their agendas are.
Speaker 1: In the future.
Speaker 5: You use a bunch of highly impressionable people who are
Speaker 5: going to believe in one cause. It's like gathering an
Speaker 5: army really fast without really having to say very much.
Speaker 5: You have a whole group that you can say one
Speaker 5: thing to Really, you don't have to convince an individual.
Speaker 5: You just have to convince one person and they'll convince
Speaker 5: everyone else for you. Less work.
Speaker 3: Well, all you have to do is go to Walmart,
Speaker 3: find all the blue hairs and be like you want
Speaker 3: to get behind this and they're like, fuck, yeah, for free,
Speaker 3: I'll do that.
Speaker 6: But it depends on to what level and scope, right,
Speaker 6: because I mean freedom fighter to you.
Speaker 7: Might be terrorists to them.
Speaker 6: It depends on which side of which asle you're on,
Speaker 6: really and truly and which are six exactly Oh well, like,
Speaker 6: for instance, the Taliban to some people are the only
Speaker 6: arm of the law that the local people recognize.
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, certain people that you.
Speaker 6: In are trying to get them to come to the
Speaker 6: table and recognize them as a real group, an official group.
Speaker 6: Other countries see them as a complete terrorist organization. It's
Speaker 6: very interesting.
Speaker 7: It really depends on which way the money falls. As
Speaker 7: interesting as that comes to be.
Speaker 2: Well, and where I was trying to go at that
Speaker 2: point is that is it is it crazy to think
Speaker 2: that these contractors that are orchestrating these these drone sightings,
Speaker 2: could it could they have possibly like some way of
Speaker 2: using it to their own advantage, Like, I think that
Speaker 2: we're not very far away from drone governance personally, Like,
Speaker 2: think about it, if you got constantly eyes on you
Speaker 2: in the sky at all times, and these fucking drones, dude,
Speaker 2: I think that they can absolutely see through walls, like
Speaker 2: your fucking your your shark vacuum can see through walls
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: Shit, right, Like I think that everybody carries a spy
Speaker 3: device in their pocket in their face at all times.
Speaker 3: Do you really think the NSA isn't tapping those cameras
Speaker 3: if they want to. I'm not saying everything is tracked
Speaker 3: all the time, Like when I pull out my phone
Speaker 3: to text her I'm taking a shit. I don't think
Speaker 3: the NSA gives a fuck about that.
Speaker 1: No, but the algorithms do.
Speaker 3: It's available, right, It's available.
Speaker 5: To be app So you think it's funny. All these
Speaker 5: drone sightings started right after that dude was found that
Speaker 5: shot the CEO. They're like, oh, fuck, Like, how did
Speaker 5: they find that guy all the way in Pennsylvania? No,
Speaker 5: I probably did, but like they're just releasing it around
Speaker 5: the same time, Like, because how did they find him?
Speaker 5: Someone just recognized him in MC was like that's the
Speaker 5: guy right China. Surveillance technology already in place in this country,
Speaker 5: and they don't want to tell us if you ever.
Speaker 3: Smelled something that smelled more strongly of fed sigh up
Speaker 3: than this thing.
Speaker 7: That's oh my god, guy.
Speaker 6: Nothing of that makes sense to me, not even a
Speaker 6: little bit. And then people are like trying to do
Speaker 6: facial recognition.
Speaker 1: But he hot. It's so hot.
Speaker 5: As much of him though, you look a lot like him.
Speaker 6: I like the big eyebrows. But then like fucking five
Speaker 6: days prior, he had like super trimmed up and shaped
Speaker 6: up eyebrows. They line him five days later and they're
Speaker 6: fucking caterpillars. Do they don't go that ungroomed that quick.
Speaker 6: I don't care what kind of lineage you got. The
Speaker 6: grossest part is that I heard it.
Speaker 3: I think it was on OBDM too, but a bunch
Speaker 3: of different shows I was listening to today that I
Speaker 3: don't care even though that's that was the CEO of
Speaker 3: my insurance agency. Actually, but fuck that guy.
Speaker 7: Did you see what he's done?
Speaker 6: He has been, like, if not directly, indirectly, responsible for
Speaker 6: like forty thousand deaths.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm not saying don't fuck that guy.
Speaker 5: Fuck that guy to sell the comments like it's so
Speaker 5: funny and also so dark.
Speaker 7: They the internet, the Internet on this situation, bro.
Speaker 5: No, not about the killer, about the CEO. Yeahs and
Speaker 5: wishes be denied and delayed, like it was just so funny.
Speaker 5: Like the things that people said were the Internet went
Speaker 5: crazy but real. I mean they've felt it. You can
Speaker 5: tell that it comes from a place of sadness. And
Speaker 5: they said the killer had a longtime back issue. I
Speaker 5: don't know if that I heard the.
Speaker 3: Killer has an eight pack and he's super hot. That's
Speaker 3: what the thirsty ass fucking internet weirdos are doing, right.
Speaker 5: He had injuries and had to deal with insurance and
Speaker 5: surgeries and was pissed. But I don't even.
Speaker 7: He was also.
Speaker 6: Like no, no, no, no, no bullshit.
Speaker 7: He was had all these injuries. He couldn't do ship.
Speaker 6: Your boy looked like he walked out of an Abercrombie
Speaker 6: and Fitch magazine.
Speaker 7: What kind of formitted him from hitting the fucking gym?
Speaker 7: You know? Like whatever? First off?
Speaker 6: Second off, this guy was valedictorian of his Ivy League
Speaker 6: school in this whole night, and then out of nowhere,
Speaker 6: that guy who's that smart activated right with.
Speaker 7: His manifesto on him with the weapons.
Speaker 3: Somebody said the code word to They were like, my god,
Speaker 3: that Italian family at the other table in the restaurant
Speaker 3: is super quiet, and he's like.
Speaker 2: Fill yeah, kill a full on American ultra style dude.
Speaker 6: That much more since than the story the mainstream media
Speaker 6: is fucking selling.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, for sure makes full on Jason Bourne
Speaker 3: Manchurian candidate type ship, where like he was just a
Speaker 3: normal dude. He's probably voted for Trump And they were like,
Speaker 3: but that's so.
Speaker 5: My point was, I think that it's to spin the
Speaker 5: narrative to allow these drones to be going around. I
Speaker 5: guess to connect it to that is how did they
Speaker 5: find this guy? Because what they were doing is they
Speaker 5: were trying to find surveillance footage from cameras to trace
Speaker 5: where he came from and then to find where he
Speaker 5: went and then and maybe the drones were out and
Speaker 5: about before that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure they've been out in about a long time.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they have. I think that's going to be
Speaker 5: a thing that just happens all the time, like we'll
Speaker 5: just see them occasionally. I mean, we have Google mapping
Speaker 5: our streets every now.
Speaker 3: And then that's the weirdest shit is that a lot
Speaker 3: of the reports I've heard is that the area these
Speaker 3: drones are seen and are in very high traffic air
Speaker 3: like like plane like proximity like Newark and you know
Speaker 3: all these things. Yeah, why are people noticing that? Now?
Speaker 3: If it was just planes, like I would, I would
Speaker 3: imagine like ninety percent of them are probably just regular
Speaker 3: helicopters or planes or whatever. That does leave a ten
Speaker 3: percent in my mind of things that aren't just that.
Speaker 3: Why are people just noticing it now? Why are they
Speaker 3: looking up? Now?
Speaker 5: People are saying though that they're like hovering over golf courses,
Speaker 5: Like that's not a normal thing.
Speaker 3: It's not like two weeks ago they were saying there
Speaker 3: was there was some hovering over mar Alago, like Trump's property,
Speaker 3: Like what.
Speaker 6: Could it be that like fifteen years ago nobody thought
Speaker 6: to look up about drones?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 7: More of them now, everybody's like this all day, dude.
Speaker 2: I personally believe that all of this kind of shit
Speaker 2: is just really coming to a head rate before Trump
Speaker 2: is about to take office, because I think the old
Speaker 2: guard is finally going away, at least temporarily, or at
Speaker 2: least that's what's supposed to happen. I personally believe that.
Speaker 2: I personally believe that, like Trump, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: he's going to make it to the White House. I
Speaker 2: think that something is going to prevent that from happening.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say assassination, but I might I lean
Speaker 2: towards there's going to be.
Speaker 1: Some kind of martial law.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's going to be some kind of war that
Speaker 2: we get extra involved in and not just proxy style,
Speaker 2: maybe we get bombed or something like that. I firmly
Speaker 2: believe that there's been way too many like weird, chaotic
Speaker 2: things that have happened just in this past year, and
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, maybe maybe it's just a
Speaker 2: sign of like this shit is. I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: just getting weirder. I don't know what the trust anymore.
Speaker 5: That's just engineering at all, because they're in the White
Speaker 5: House now and they're like, hey, did you engineer COVID
Speaker 5: for us? Because that fucked up the like four years
Speaker 5: for us, so we're gonna fuck you with some alien
Speaker 5: full shit. I also maybe they just played.
Speaker 3: Fucking such a multi vector thing though, because it's not
Speaker 3: just all this ship. If you go back to just
Speaker 3: general country ship, and there's the economy. They're tanking the economy.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it started just now. It started
Speaker 3: a long fucking time ago. But it's coming, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's coming to a head. Now, we're right before Trump
Speaker 3: gets in, Like we're we're verging on uh an economic collapse.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that obviously.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the it's the lame duck stuff
Speaker 2: that's really going on right here. We just talked about
Speaker 2: earlier on an earlier episode about how the the FBI director,
Speaker 2: his name is Christopher Ray. He said that he's going
Speaker 2: to be stepping down as soon as Trump takes office
Speaker 2: because that's whenever what's his name, Cash Betel is going
Speaker 2: to be taken over.
Speaker 1: But it's like that was the same as.
Speaker 3: The Patriot Front. I saw something about that earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Patriot Yeah.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of excited to see what old Cash Betel
Speaker 6: is gonna do. I have hopes that's all say. He
Speaker 6: looks like somebody that doesn't fuck around. I don't know,
Speaker 6: thank y'all come again.
Speaker 2: But I but I think that there's there's like these
Speaker 2: people they know that they're in their final months and
Speaker 2: so they're gonna be doing a bunch of weird, lame
Speaker 2: duck shit. I mean, look, a fucking dude, Joe just
Speaker 2: pardoned Hunter Biden after he repeatedly in his in his
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House or not Speaker of the House,
Speaker 2: but whoever the fuck is speaking for him. They they
Speaker 2: all said that like, oh, yeah, he's not gonna get
Speaker 2: pardoned or anything, and then they just do it. And
Speaker 2: so my in my opinion, I know, like, well, I
Speaker 2: feel like I know that they're they're they're gonna be
Speaker 2: pulling out everything they possibly can because maybe it's their
Speaker 2: last opportunity to do so, and if that includes some
Speaker 2: kind of fucking alien invasion or some kind of drone
Speaker 2: strike from some adversary company, uh country rather.
Speaker 1: I mean, but would you really put it past him?
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: No, I don't put anything past anybody, especially in the
Speaker 3: White House at this point. But I love them sorry
Speaker 3: about that. I love the Biden saying he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: preemptively pardon Fauci and all these other people. First of all,
Speaker 3: that mfers crimes were committed or are going to be
Speaker 3: committed if you're preemptively pardoning them, second, I heard an
Speaker 3: interesting little thing today about how a presidential pardon doesn't
Speaker 3: mean they won't sing like a fucking bird, because if
Speaker 3: you're presidential pardoning somebody, it just means that they won't
Speaker 3: serve jail time or they can't be sentenced to whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much truth there is to this,
Speaker 3: but it's very interesting if like Hunter being pardoned all
Speaker 3: the way back to twenty fourteen, pre Barisma and all
Speaker 3: that shit does reap right, doesn't mean that he's not
Speaker 3: gonna sing like a bird, because I guess one of
Speaker 3: the stipulations under pardoning like that, which I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've never been presidentially pardoned, so I wouldn't know, but
Speaker 3: that it just means you're not going to do jail time.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean you won't get charged or won't get fucking
Speaker 3: questioned like crazy. It just means like it's almost one
Speaker 3: of it's like a plea deal, where like your pardon,
Speaker 3: but you better be squawking tell me about Epstein's list
Speaker 3: and Diddy's list and Parisma and all all these other things.
Speaker 3: So it actually might come back to kick Joe Biden
Speaker 3: in the dick if he pardons all these bitches. Unless
Speaker 3: they want to serve a lifetime in jail, they're gonna
Speaker 3: be squawking.
Speaker 2: I've actually I get it, but I've actually heard that
Speaker 2: I have some hope with him pardoning his son. And
Speaker 2: if Joe was involved in a lot of the crimes
Speaker 2: that Hunter was doing, that he's kind of pardoning himself
Speaker 2: along with it because they're throwing out all the cases
Speaker 2: that are connected to Hunter at that point.
Speaker 6: Basically he can't be called in for criminal charges if
Speaker 6: it was anything pertaining to Dot dot from twenty fourteen
Speaker 6: to now.
Speaker 3: So, but it doesn't pardon everybody else connected to that.
Speaker 3: I think no.
Speaker 6: But like, for instance, Joe, all he did was get
Speaker 6: a cut off the top ten percent went to the
Speaker 6: big man, and that's it.
Speaker 7: So it's not like Joe's gonna go.
Speaker 3: Though, did you Yeah, if Biden goes to jail, I
Speaker 3: just want this information to come out. If that comes out,
Speaker 3: that'd be that be that would make my titties hard.
Speaker 6: I don't want I was usually as an example though,
Speaker 6: Like so for instance, not like Biden's gonna go to
Speaker 6: jail for making money off of Hunter's shit. He only
Speaker 6: accepted money from So like pardoning Hunter did kind of
Speaker 6: pardon him.
Speaker 7: Because the money was ill gotten.
Speaker 3: Gains and the gonna die anyway, right.
Speaker 6: But that's like an example, So like how many people
Speaker 6: are connected to Hunter on the periphery of crimes to
Speaker 6: varying degrees that maybe pardoned third party on some shit
Speaker 6: like that. You see what I'm saying. I don't know
Speaker 6: how deep that goes. I know it's very case by Kate.
Speaker 6: I know that a lot of people breathe the sigh
Speaker 6: of relief because what that does mean is that his
Speaker 6: laptop is now. Whatever was on that laptop that involved
Speaker 6: him is now can't be brought up in court. So
Speaker 6: if there was him and someone else in this video,
Speaker 6: arguably that video can't be brought up in court. The
Speaker 6: other side of it is it totally can. But Hunter
Speaker 6: can never be prosecuted for anything in the video.
Speaker 5: So, like I that's an insane thing. I hate that
Speaker 5: about our judice judicial system so much. It's in fuckingsane.
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, because you said a few wordy words,
Speaker 5: now reality can't be spoken. What what the fuck is that?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm doing your ranting for you. I don't
Speaker 5: agree that, but it's fucking co crazy. Why why can't
Speaker 5: you just be like, hey, this is still real.
Speaker 3: Everybody get fuck no when they say justice is blind
Speaker 3: or like nobody he's above the law. Like there's montages
Speaker 3: like you were talking about earlier, about Biden over and
Speaker 3: over saying I will not pardon Hunter, like nobody's above
Speaker 3: the law. There's a six minute clip of like CBS
Speaker 3: and everybody else like showing footage of him being like
Speaker 3: nobody's above the law. Hunter will not be pardoned. And
Speaker 3: then he fucking pardons him, and everyone's like, well okay.
Speaker 7: And he's still dead. Well you know, and they're.
Speaker 3: All making I set off fireworks on fourth of July.
Speaker 3: Pardon me, bitch. That was a five hundred dollars ticket.
Speaker 5: For some sparklers and bottle rockets too. California is real serious.
Speaker 3: About shack off and deprivation. Take smoking crack.
Speaker 5: No, it was.
Speaker 6: California. Wildfires are real. Ship yeah, they take fireworks. Seriously.
Speaker 7: What did I start fire?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't start fire.
Speaker 1: Starting fire.
Speaker 3: Prosecute me, but I didn't start.
Speaker 7: Blow ship up with us. We'll make sparkle bomb.
Speaker 3: I will all make my own shit. Fuck yeah, not
Speaker 3: that I know how to.
Speaker 7: If you don't know how they'll teach you. But you know, hey,
Speaker 7: if you just need some materials, like I got it.
Speaker 7: I got a closet. You know, we got fertilizer.
Speaker 2: Oh leave, Sorry, Well, Joe, you had you had asked
Speaker 2: something to Jacob earlier before you went to go take
Speaker 2: a leak. It was referring to aliens or drones or
Speaker 2: something like that, and you said you wanted to ask
Speaker 2: his his religious perspective is. I want to just go
Speaker 2: back to that real quick, because I find the alien
Speaker 2: and the UFO talk within religion to be pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it necessarily, you know, just cancels
Speaker 2: each other out or whatever. But Jacob has spoken on
Speaker 2: this before.
Speaker 3: I don't think it does. But like the shotgun question
Speaker 3: of what are aliens in your Christian worldview, that's like
Speaker 3: five hours worth of shit we could talk about, so
Speaker 3: netshell it uh.
Speaker 7: In a nutshell.
Speaker 6: I believe that angels and dus are very real, and
Speaker 6: I also believe that extraterrestrial life is also equally real.
Speaker 6: I think that it is very narcissistic of humanity to
Speaker 6: think that we are the only things walking and talking
Speaker 6: in all of existence.
Speaker 5: I think that's ridiculous, even though the Bible doesn't talk
Speaker 5: about them at all.
Speaker 7: What difference? What difference does that make? What difference does
Speaker 7: that make?
Speaker 6: The Bible is written for people on earth, for the
Speaker 6: people on Earth.
Speaker 7: It wasn't written for the people to galaxies over.
Speaker 6: Now that being said, is it possible that there is
Speaker 6: no other life out there and we are it?
Speaker 7: I believe that's very possible.
Speaker 6: I believe that it's equally possible and more probable that
Speaker 6: there is more life out there that all has to
Speaker 6: be a part of God's plan. Is it possible there's
Speaker 6: planets out there that are still absolutely never fell from
Speaker 6: grace and are in their garden of Eden?
Speaker 7: Thing? Yes? Why does God need to make more plants
Speaker 7: with more life? Yo? I'm not God. I don't know
Speaker 7: his plan. I don't pretend to know his plan.
Speaker 6: I just believe that all these things are way more
Speaker 6: in the realm of possibility. Then to think that we
Speaker 6: are somehow alone and that this is some sort of
Speaker 6: a version of honey, quit playing with your universe and
Speaker 6: come to dinner. Like, I think that that just kind
Speaker 6: of doesn't make as much sense to me personally.
Speaker 5: So you have the most, really quick I think you
Speaker 5: have the most interesting Christian perspective in the world that
Speaker 5: I have ever heard in my life, and I absolutely
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 7: It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: They're going to you for everything, and I don't give
Speaker 3: a ship, especially YouTube.
Speaker 5: I think it's fucking fantastic. I think that is the
Speaker 5: most the most open minded Christian perspective that I have
Speaker 5: ever fucking heard him the.
Speaker 3: Reason I wanted to that's fucking great.
Speaker 1: Jacob is never going cold.
Speaker 5: Love to think our Earth is a globe and that
Speaker 5: space is real because I want to fly a spaceship someday,
Speaker 5: just once.
Speaker 6: Just I believe that we may be able to in
Speaker 6: the next hundred years. I don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to live to be five hundred. I
Speaker 5: also say that that's like a fucking that. I say
Speaker 5: that's like a trope on our show, But I think
Speaker 5: if you believe it, Hey, if a dude can throw
Speaker 5: a mountain into the sea, mark eleven twenty bitches, that shit.
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to live past fifty you while for that,
Speaker 7: But all right.
Speaker 5: That's what Joe says. I'm like, what I would live
Speaker 5: to be like five hundred. I wish someone would turn
Speaker 5: me into a vampire. So I could just see what
Speaker 5: two thousand years looks like on this earth. I want
Speaker 5: to see it change.
Speaker 7: I don't think humans are meant to do that. Man.
Speaker 6: It's the same, all right, kind of the same concept
Speaker 6: as these these dudes that spend six months on a
Speaker 6: nuclear sub and they go six months without sunlight. They
Speaker 6: go like super depressed and they have like real hormonal
Speaker 6: and chemical issues because, like, humans are not built to
Speaker 6: go six months without sunlight. I don't think humans are
Speaker 6: built to go beyond like one hundred and thirty years.
Speaker 7: I'll be straight up with you. I think so.
Speaker 5: I think so, all right, I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate
Speaker 5: with you. I do think that our brain does tell
Speaker 5: us that I agree with you. I had a friend
Speaker 5: who lived here where we live, in northern California, where
Speaker 5: it's sunny all the time. Yeah, she moved to the coast,
Speaker 5: beautiful place, but it's overcast. It's like Oregon or Washington.
Speaker 5: It's oranges all the time. She wasn't used to it,
Speaker 5: and she was the happiest person I'd ever met. And
Speaker 5: she had to go to a therapist after six months
Speaker 5: because she was like, I'm so, I'm so sad and
Speaker 5: angry all the time, and I don't understand, But that's
Speaker 5: the brain. If you can already go into it with knowing,
Speaker 5: knowing God, knowing yourself, and you can, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't know, gear yourself up for that. I think you
Speaker 5: can handle it because you can just go inward, I guess,
Speaker 5: and figure it out. You can find the beauty in
Speaker 5: your situation even though you have no sunlight. You can
Speaker 5: override your brain with your soul for sure.
Speaker 7: And I mean, I'm just saying, I'm throwing that as
Speaker 7: an example.
Speaker 6: I think that like human like, the human heart is
Speaker 6: a muscle and it's only good for so many beats,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I think the brain is
Speaker 6: only good for so many fiery.
Speaker 5: Brain tells you.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. It's all hypothetical.
Speaker 6: If if you find a way to live to five hundred,
Speaker 6: I wish you the best of luck. And I hope
Speaker 6: I'm wrong and it's everything you hope it is. My God,
Speaker 6: that sounds scary as.
Speaker 7: Hell to me.
Speaker 2: But if you could live to five hundred as a
Speaker 2: thirty five year old person, your whole life, oh you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's a little different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, if I could stand in a different conversations, Yo,
Speaker 6: what's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I tell her that all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to live to five hundred.
Speaker 3: Have you seen seventy five?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that for another.
Speaker 5: Forty I'm pretty old and I look a lot younger
Speaker 5: than I really am.
Speaker 3: So I am keep riding that train.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just going to smoke and drink my way there.
Speaker 5: It's awesome so far. No.
Speaker 3: So what I was getting at though, from your Christian
Speaker 3: perspective is uh, and your globe tard as you put
Speaker 3: it perspectives, So does every other planet and or you know,
Speaker 3: civilization whatever have a different Bible and or code of
Speaker 3: ethics and save you'r and all that stuff. It just
Speaker 3: seems weird to me that the Bible would not mention
Speaker 3: that if it was a big deal. So that makes
Speaker 3: me think it's not a big deal. Again, from a
Speaker 3: Christian perspective, that it's not a big deal, and that
Speaker 3: either will never figure that out or never meet with
Speaker 3: these other creatures, or they don't exist, or they're in
Speaker 3: a different dimension.
Speaker 5: Just so many questions, and I'm just asking.
Speaker 3: A lot of questions I'm putting an.
Speaker 7: And no, no, no, let's answer all of it at once.
Speaker 3: So different dimension. I think that's what it is, because
Speaker 3: I think heaven and or hell and or I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I think that's all. That's not a physical thing, like
Speaker 3: if you die and go to heaven, it's not up
Speaker 3: there over there. It's a different phase. You're you're phasing out.
Speaker 3: Your energy is leaving your body and going to a
Speaker 3: different place.
Speaker 5: I think it's coming going back to the.
Speaker 3: Place as correlates with reincarnation. But yeah, this could be
Speaker 3: a fucking six hour show.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, No, no, no, no, let's go on a couple
Speaker 6: of different directions at once. I like it all right,
Speaker 6: so interdimensional? Could angels and demons be interdimensional beings?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Could these extraterrestrial?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: Could these extraterrestrial beings have learned how to cut through
Speaker 6: time and space and they use it as a way
Speaker 6: to like portal jump through long distances.
Speaker 7: Of space for travel purposes. Yo.
Speaker 3: Possibly it doesn't negate them being angels or demons.
Speaker 7: It doesn't, but it also doesn't.
Speaker 5: So God created them and God created us. I think
Speaker 5: they already knew. I think it's just easy for them,
Speaker 5: it's like taking the highway.
Speaker 6: But to hear exactly. But to your point about do
Speaker 6: they have their own salvation? Do they have their own savor?
Speaker 6: Do they have their own Bibles?
Speaker 7: Possibly?
Speaker 6: And as a matter of fact, me and Jonathan have
Speaker 6: talked about this. If an alien was to like land
Speaker 6: at my house right now, what's my first response, Now,
Speaker 6: assuming that I wasn't threatened by godett shoot it immediately,
Speaker 6: right of course. Aside from that, if I was to
Speaker 6: ever like they do the proper steps, all of a
Speaker 6: sudden we have aliens walking about and living on earth,
Speaker 6: very men in black style, but less the skin suits whatever.
Speaker 6: What I would be most interested to talk to these
Speaker 6: beings about is their religious beliefs, or their creation story
Speaker 6: or whatever else.
Speaker 7: But that would be just a talk for when and
Speaker 7: if that time came.
Speaker 6: I don't believe the Bible, of course, of course, of course,
Speaker 6: but I also don't believe that the Bible tells us everything.
Speaker 7: I think that there's no way that it can.
Speaker 6: I believe that the Bible is like the Hebrews got
Speaker 6: manna from Heaven when they were in the wilderness, right,
Speaker 6: it was their portion.
Speaker 3: It was not just, it was not gone.
Speaker 6: It was just enough to survive. I believe that the
Speaker 6: Bible is our portion. It does not answer all of
Speaker 6: the questions, because how can you how do you explain
Speaker 6: to a three year old where babies come from?
Speaker 7: You don't.
Speaker 6: You don't lie to them, You don't tell them the
Speaker 6: crazy shit. You tell them when mommy and daddy really
Speaker 6: love each other, daddy holds mommy really close, and a
Speaker 6: baby grows in mommy's tummy.
Speaker 7: None of that was a lie.
Speaker 6: But you left out all of the details, right owner
Speaker 6: there you go.
Speaker 7: I think that's kind of the Old Testament for us.
Speaker 6: So as far as the Bible in its entirety and
Speaker 6: what it does cover what it doesn't cover, I think
Speaker 6: it covers the keynotes and the important things on how
Speaker 6: to live a good life and a correct life. I
Speaker 6: don't think it tells us like the ins and outs
Speaker 6: of the laws of how physics works and shit.
Speaker 3: So well, that would be wild though, if like a
Speaker 3: different culture, a different civilization from Zeta Reticuli came over
Speaker 3: and they're like, well, our Bible says you're supposed to
Speaker 3: fucking kill everybody who doesn't send their women outside the
Speaker 3: city walls when they menstraight and we're like, oh, we
Speaker 3: have those here too. Go down to Jerusalem. You'll be
Speaker 3: in good company.
Speaker 7: I mean, that would be wild.
Speaker 6: If they came and they got off their ships with
Speaker 6: the Law of Abraham.
Speaker 7: That would be fucking wild to me.
Speaker 6: I would actually be crazy if they came down and
Speaker 6: started spitting scientology shit, and it would be like God,
Speaker 6: damn it, Tom Cruise, like I I don't know right.
Speaker 5: You were right, Like fuck you. I would feel so
Speaker 5: betrayed Tom, Like my people.
Speaker 6: Yo, Tom Cruise would probably cream his jeans right then
Speaker 6: and there and just be like, yes, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: He would just be like this, he does that.
Speaker 3: Like three times a day, just because he's fucking weird.
Speaker 7: Yes, indeed, bro, I mean.
Speaker 2: And also, what happens if the Aliens get off of
Speaker 2: their spaceship and they're actually like, you know, like like
Speaker 2: real Christians and stuff like that, and then they come
Speaker 2: and judge everybody who isn't doing what they're supposed to
Speaker 2: be doing. What if they're like the Mormons of all
Speaker 2: Christians who are like you you're saying fuck you're multiple people, You're.
Speaker 6: You're they're like the Puritian witch trial type of Christians,
Speaker 6: like they're coming here to slaughter all of the infidels
Speaker 6: and shit.
Speaker 2: But but but what's wild is is that rightfully so
Speaker 2: maybe they would have the right to be able to
Speaker 2: kill you, because just like Moses going down the fucking
Speaker 2: Mount sign I killing everybody who wasn't following the law
Speaker 2: of everything that you're supposed to be doing. And they
Speaker 2: are rightfully so slaughtering the fuck out of you.
Speaker 7: What if that'ss bro?
Speaker 5: What if we are all what if we are all
Speaker 5: consciously connected? Right? And have you guys ever been in
Speaker 5: a dream and you become lucid? Have you, guys ever
Speaker 5: had a lucid dream where you start to become lucid.
Speaker 3: In the dream.
Speaker 7: So I don't dream.
Speaker 1: I don't mean contrast.
Speaker 5: I just mean a lucid dream where you're just you're
Speaker 5: you're having a dream and you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: I'm in a dream. What happens next? Usually right away.
Speaker 1: I want to fly?
Speaker 7: Got a block?
Speaker 5: Bloh, okay? But then what happens.
Speaker 7: Fly?
Speaker 5: Or do you wake up? I usually when people become
Speaker 5: lucid in a dream, unless you're experienced, you wake up.
Speaker 5: It's escaping right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's almost like a Oh shit, I'm in
Speaker 1: a dream. Let me hurry up.
Speaker 2: I always feel like the need to hurry up and
Speaker 2: do what I want to do because I know that
Speaker 2: I'm going to wake up.
Speaker 5: Soon, because You're gonna wake up. So I was thinking
Speaker 5: about this. I'm like, well, I've heard a lot of
Speaker 5: theories and I don't I don't know's I'm not projecting.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to portray that this is what I think.
Speaker 5: But what if we are really all part of the
Speaker 5: same thing, Like God created us. We're all strings of him, little,
Speaker 5: you know, pieces of him, and we're on this little
Speaker 5: dream world and a lot of people are kind of
Speaker 5: waking up and looking around. We're not really enamored by
Speaker 5: this world anymore. A lot of people are trying to
Speaker 5: figure out what this world is, whereas Sep, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Decades ago, people were just like, wow, fuck, yeah, this
Speaker 5: is cool. I can sell vacuums door to door and
Speaker 5: I just want to be a man and we can
Speaker 5: go to the moon. But now people are like, what
Speaker 5: the fuck is this? And when people say what the
Speaker 5: fuck is this? Over and over again, it wings. But
Speaker 5: it seems like the world's kind of falling apart around
Speaker 5: us at the same time, and we're not wanting that.
Speaker 5: Nobody really wants it, but it's kind of breaking down
Speaker 5: around us, and it's it's almost like we're all collectively
Speaker 5: slowly waking up from a dream.
Speaker 1: So they're they call it the Great Awakening for a reason.
Speaker 5: No, but like the Great Awakening is all of us
Speaker 5: just realizing, oh, we were just sleeping the whole time,
Speaker 5: but it's like just one thing and we're all a
Speaker 5: part of it.
Speaker 2: It very I think that that's actually probably the most
Speaker 2: likely scenario because if you think about.
Speaker 1: It, what was the name? Where was that that I
Speaker 1: was just thinking of.
Speaker 2: There's like some people will say that they'll they'll like
Speaker 2: very heavily practiced within those kind of lucid dreams, Like
Speaker 2: they know how to get there like regularly and stuff,
Speaker 2: whether it's like drinking apple juice before you go to
Speaker 2: bed or whatever. The fucking tricks are dmtls and right people,
Speaker 2: and like they say that whenever you go there stuff
Speaker 2: they say that, like whenever you become aware that you're
Speaker 2: in a dream, people will start to really notice and
Speaker 2: they're like pointing out.
Speaker 3: At you, like the matrix.
Speaker 5: But that takes practice. So one time that actually happened
Speaker 5: to me in a dream, the only time, because every
Speaker 5: time I become lucid in a dream, I wake up
Speaker 5: or I have tried to fly and I have been successful,
Speaker 5: like two or three times. It was pretty cool. But
Speaker 5: for the most part, I don't know what's going on
Speaker 5: in my dreams, but I remember them very clearly. But
Speaker 5: I remember there was one dream I had where I
Speaker 5: touched I was. I woke up and I was I
Speaker 5: was on my bed and I saw other people floating
Speaker 5: around and I went up to touch a person. I
Speaker 5: was like, hey, you're a week too, this is cool.
Speaker 5: And we were just in nothing, like, just floating in space,
Speaker 5: and I went to touch his hand and as we touched,
Speaker 5: we went to touch fingers like et and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, this demon thing came up and it was
Speaker 5: like it had caddiers that were sewn onto its head.
Speaker 5: I'll never forget that that it it looked like it
Speaker 5: had a fake, fake head, like it looked like it
Speaker 5: was trying to be fakely scary, and it was like, eh,
Speaker 5: just trying to scare me, and I just I started
Speaker 5: yell at it, and I was like, get the fuck
Speaker 5: out of here a stop, And in real life that
Speaker 5: translated to me going eh, Joe had to waken ye
Speaker 5: because he was like, what are you doing? And I
Speaker 5: was like, I was scaring the demon away, but it
Speaker 5: was angry. It only came up when I was trying
Speaker 5: to touch fingers with a person. Like that's really prominent
Speaker 5: in my dream that I was just I was like
Speaker 5: at the edge of my bed and this other dude
Speaker 5: was like touching my finger and I was like, are
Speaker 5: you real and he was like, yeah, I'm real, and
Speaker 5: we went to touch fingers and as soon as that
Speaker 5: was yes, that's exactly what I sounded like in real life.
Speaker 5: But in the dream, I was trying to fight this
Speaker 5: demon because it came up and it was just trying
Speaker 5: to scare me. It wasn't trying to hurt me. It
Speaker 5: wasn't attacking me. It was just trying to be scary
Speaker 5: with like fake Uncanny Valley shit on its head.
Speaker 2: That was like dream security or some shit. It was
Speaker 2: like the security guards within the dream.
Speaker 5: Almost I was maybe in a place where I was
Speaker 5: too lucid. It was like no, like you're behind the veil, like.
Speaker 3: Agent here Smith.
Speaker 2: And the point that I was trying to make though,
Speaker 2: is that you know, the people that are lucid, they
Speaker 2: they normally get caught out or called out like and
Speaker 2: and looked at very differently. And you feel like you
Speaker 2: got all the eyes on you because you've become aware. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: all those other people for some reason, why are they
Speaker 2: becoming aware that you're you know, where you shouldn't be,
Speaker 2: Like how do.
Speaker 5: They know projecting out? How do they know? Like where's
Speaker 5: that signal coming from in you? How do you prevent
Speaker 5: that from happening?
Speaker 2: And also like I you know, in relaying that into
Speaker 2: like real world terms, you know, in a strange way,
Speaker 2: Like so you go over there, everybody knows that they
Speaker 2: know to get all the eyes on you. They know
Speaker 2: that you're in a you shouldn't be there that and
Speaker 2: you know that it's a dream and that it's not real, right,
Speaker 2: But over here in the real world, I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that we used to talk
Speaker 2: or a lot of the stuff that we do talk
Speaker 2: about now, whether it's like weird spiritual stuff or aliens
Speaker 2: or you know, the matrix reality, It used to be
Speaker 2: like a conversation that you wouldn't be able to have
Speaker 2: with anybody. You would you would have to you know,
Speaker 2: you would have to have you know, talking talk about
Speaker 2: it to your brother or your best friend or your sister.
Speaker 1: You're you know, somebody close that you actually trust.
Speaker 5: What do you think about where we are talking about.
Speaker 3: It to my weed dealer because he's the only one
Speaker 3: who'd be like, dude.
Speaker 6: To the brothers who are now sisters that wrote the matrix,
Speaker 6: they said, they said that the whole thing came to
Speaker 6: them in a dream.
Speaker 2: Well, and and that was kind of My point is that,
Speaker 2: like I feel like everybody nowadays is kind of are
Speaker 2: they possibly waking up? Are we the ones that are
Speaker 2: in the dream that are becoming self aware that this
Speaker 2: reality isn't what we think it is? Because these conversations
Speaker 2: are you having are being had like way more frequently
Speaker 2: to where it's not so crazy, like it's it's not
Speaker 2: so conspiracy theorists to talk about the matrix or a
Speaker 2: simulation or anything like that. It's becoming common. And I
Speaker 2: think it's because most people, we really don't have a
Speaker 2: fucking clue about what the hell we're doing here, and
Speaker 2: so we're all trying to figure it all.
Speaker 5: Out namord by the universe anymore. We're not trying to
Speaker 5: figure we're not trying to play it. I mean, we
Speaker 5: do have to like go to work, like to everyone's
Speaker 5: point earlier, especially, we still have to go to work,
Speaker 5: make money, pay our bills, whatever. But we're also thinking
Speaker 5: other things are so much more important, like where do
Speaker 5: we really come from? That's the deep down question we
Speaker 5: all have. Who are we? Where do we come from?
Speaker 5: What is our purpose? And that question is just louder
Speaker 5: and louder. It's almost like you can hear it now
Speaker 5: in everybody that you talk to.
Speaker 2: Well, in the blind faith, I feel like, just talk
Speaker 2: to behind closed stories. What I feel like blind faith
Speaker 2: is starting to lose a little bit of its steam,
Speaker 2: you know, like a in kind of a weird way.
Speaker 2: It used to be you wouldn't even question it. And
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, if you did question it,
Speaker 2: it's probably because you got a demon inside of you
Speaker 2: and he's he's relaying all those thoughts. Get those demons
Speaker 2: out of your head. Why are you thinking this? You
Speaker 2: know the truth, you read the truth, We taught you
Speaker 2: the truth. And now it's like people are, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking on their own And.
Speaker 3: Dude, when I first started talking about aliens and shit,
Speaker 3: I was like seventeen smoking weed and we it was
Speaker 3: an unspoken thing that we smoke a joint. We talk
Speaker 3: about aliens and then it doesn't go past that. You
Speaker 3: don't talk about that while you're at work. Yeah, now
Speaker 3: we talk about it work all the time. I don't
Speaker 3: give a shit. But uh, it does seem like the
Speaker 3: like what you were saying, like we're not enamored or
Speaker 3: what you were saying, We're not.
Speaker 7: With this world.
Speaker 5: We're not obsessed with it anymore.
Speaker 3: We're not trying to do all the things things like
Speaker 3: NASA where seventy million dollars a day for how many decades?
Speaker 3: And what have we learned from them? Have we got
Speaker 3: a nice James Webb CGI telescope fucking ba Sure that's.
Speaker 5: Real, though they know that some people do.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm not saying that space is all faking gay.
Speaker 5: There's obviously stars up there, there's something up there. I
Speaker 5: would love to see what it really is, though. I
Speaker 5: would love to be able to go up into space
Speaker 5: past the Earth's atmosphere and see what it really is.
Speaker 5: So I don't want to believe it's not I don't
Speaker 5: want to believe it's a hologram. I want to believe
Speaker 5: there's something else there.
Speaker 3: I think it just I think that the seventy million
Speaker 3: dollars a day should get us better fucking shit than
Speaker 3: what NASA has given us.
Speaker 5: To be Like, what the fuck is up there? Like,
Speaker 5: we really have no idea? I mean, it is it
Speaker 5: costs so much.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that the matrix just stops rendering whenever
Speaker 2: you go up so high and that's what we're seeing, Yes.
Speaker 5: But that would cost so much to figure that out.
Speaker 5: They're like, what kind of program, Like we have to
Speaker 5: build a computer to build this? That's like, maybe what
Speaker 5: cern is for it build us a new universe so
Speaker 5: we can figure out where the fuck we are.
Speaker 2: If you can make a shitload of money off of it,
Speaker 2: you will just the same with the carbon emission bullshit
Speaker 2: that you know, we're hardly contributing to, but we're essentially
Speaker 2: you know what they say is we're kind of like
Speaker 2: the stain on the Earth and we're the ones that
Speaker 2: are terrorizing the Earth. It's like, no, the Earth has
Speaker 2: regular cycles and it goes through this literally every a
Speaker 2: few thousand years or whatever it is. But it's like, look,
Speaker 2: if you can find a way to be able to
Speaker 2: make money on it and kind of sound like you
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about and using scientific terms that
Speaker 2: people just find it out of the realm of their understanding.
Speaker 1: Then you can get away with it. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what's been going on the Live Star.
Speaker 5: Not what if it's not nefarious, like what if they're
Speaker 5: really just trying to figure out what's going on. But
Speaker 5: they also can't alarm everybody at the same time, they
Speaker 5: can't be like, hey, guess what, we have absolutely no
Speaker 5: idea what the fuck is going on on the ground
Speaker 5: you walk on on a daily basis, How fun getting
Speaker 5: to work tomorrow by you know, like they have to
Speaker 5: just they have to keep the peace, They have to
Speaker 5: attain homeostasis in a way mentally for everybody, so they lie.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's great. I'm highly annoyed by it,
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, But I can see from a
Speaker 5: managerial perspective why they do it. They don't want to
Speaker 5: freak everybody out, but they're like, no, for real, like
Speaker 5: what the fuck are what's going on here? They probably
Speaker 5: don't know figure it out, taking a ton of money
Speaker 5: in the process, because maybe it takes that amount of money.
Speaker 5: I'm also not condoning what NAS is doing. Don't get
Speaker 5: me wrong here, I'm just saying, like, there's there's reasons
Speaker 5: why people do things. Like you can bring it down
Speaker 5: to like a parental and child level, where like parents
Speaker 5: will say, like, Okay, we have no money right now,
Speaker 5: Like I can't afford to pay for you to go
Speaker 5: to this amazing college, but I can't afford to buy
Speaker 5: a six pack of beer because I'm fucking miserable because
Speaker 5: I can't pay my bills. And I also have to
Speaker 5: like be okay with myself for a minute. And I'm
Speaker 5: not agreeing with any of these things. I'm just saying
Speaker 5: sometimes people make weird choices to maintain homeostasis within themselves.
Speaker 5: It's like macrocosm microcosm stuff, Like you want to make
Speaker 5: the world around you great, but you have to also
Speaker 5: be okay yourself. And if it takes like a couple
Speaker 5: of beers to then go to bed and get up
Speaker 5: and do your job the next day to all so
Speaker 5: be a great parent to your kid, but also kind
Speaker 5: of lie to them about maybe why you can't make
Speaker 5: the house payment. I don't know, it's hard. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that it's a good choice. I'm just saying that's
Speaker 5: maybe why those choices are made. They don't want to
Speaker 5: freak anyone out. You can't tell your kid every night, Hey,
Speaker 5: guess what, we can't pay the fucking house billy. We're
Speaker 5: going to be homeless soon, so plan for that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go drink this beer. You have to try
Speaker 5: to make it okay. And I think that's maybe what
Speaker 5: the government does. Also again, sorry for like the third
Speaker 5: time not justifying it. Taking government rip that band off
Speaker 5: and tell us we'll figure it out for ourselves. We're
Speaker 5: not gen z, motherfucker. But I think that's maybe why
Speaker 5: that happens.
Speaker 1: I think you might be onto something.
Speaker 2: And look, I think this entire conversation has been somewhat
Speaker 2: of a conspiracy theorist wet dream if you will, if
Speaker 2: you would, the legit bats over here.
Speaker 1: I love you guys.
Speaker 2: You guys are so awesome. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 2: for coming on the show.
Speaker 5: If you having us know, you guys are awesome.
Speaker 1: What the you're welcome?
Speaker 5: With his short hair, he's just trying to show off
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 2: Yea shake it baby, if you would, I'll get back
Speaker 2: to your level, buddy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one day hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Let the cult members know where they can find y'all.
Speaker 3: Uh, pretty much anywhere you find podcasts. We're on YouTube
Speaker 3: well for now, every audio player for now. We are
Speaker 3: on rock Fin too. But I've been kind of like
Speaker 3: leaning away from.
Speaker 5: That Instagram with the great memes from Instagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on the Instagram. That's fucking fun. I post
Speaker 3: all kinds of makes.
Speaker 5: People so happy or so miserable almost every single day.
Speaker 6: Mostly that's legit bat or at legit Bat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, buddy, bet Uh. Pretty much everything's just that,
Speaker 3: which makes sense because that's our name.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: The other thing I like, as far as final words go,
Speaker 3: everybody just figure your own shit out. Use your turn signals.
Speaker 3: That's my first piece of advice. Be nice to each
Speaker 3: other when you listen to shows like this. There's no
Speaker 3: reason to get mad, trust me. Okay, if you disagree
Speaker 3: with something, that's fine. Do you have to get mad
Speaker 3: and go fucking wild and post weird reviews and shit
Speaker 3: like that like you do on these motherfuckers channels?
Speaker 1: No, you don't.
Speaker 3: You could save time in your day and just not
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 5: Do something else that makes so happy. If you don't
Speaker 5: lay something you're listening to turn it off and go
Speaker 5: buy a cord of ice cream and eat it to
Speaker 5: your whole head.
Speaker 3: Or you could dye your hair blue and go think
Speaker 3: up voting, tell your armpit hair blue. Just do that,
Speaker 3: or just trying to you know, I part words of
Speaker 3: wisdom here. You can just not do most of the
Speaker 3: things you do. That's it, I mean.
Speaker 2: Or you can still keep on shit posts and commenting
Speaker 2: because I will happily jerk off and offensive people or
Speaker 2: offended people's tears.
Speaker 1: I find that they make the best loop. And so
Speaker 1: every time we.
Speaker 2: Get a nasty little negative review like you Boby, good,
Speaker 2: it to me more.
Speaker 1: I want them. I will say this awesome.
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Speaker 2: So I think you just maxed out the decibels on
Speaker 2: that microphone, so good job.
Speaker 3: So so that's what That's what I'm talking about with
Speaker 3: the scissor hands. Yea, the knife knife hands, Okay, because
Speaker 3: I've heard you say that, I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: does that mean?
Speaker 5: You're the world right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a marine thing.
Speaker 2: Instead of pointing the knife you yeah, bitch.
Speaker 6: Because it depends on the inflection, right, So like a
Speaker 6: knife hand upward could be like I need something from you, Hey,
Speaker 6: go over here, do this. A knife hand downwards is
Speaker 6: more like I find of want to like touch the
Speaker 6: inside of your brain with my hand right now.
Speaker 7: It's a different inflection, right.
Speaker 5: It's a handshake to me.
Speaker 6: Well, although I will say this, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: freemasons within the Marine Corps. A lot of them are like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is indicatively of a certain
Speaker 6: racial group, but once, no, dude, no, it's weird. If
Speaker 6: you get to like staff sergeant in the Marine Corps
Speaker 6: and you're black, then like there's a very high chancey
Speaker 6: you're gonna be approached to be a freemason. It's very strange, weird,
Speaker 6: we I mean, sirred with him and all, but like yeah,
Speaker 6: wild shit.
Speaker 7: But anyway, anyway, let's.
Speaker 1: Wrap this thing anyway. Look, yes, with all of that
Speaker 1: craziness being said.
Speaker 2: This was another beautiful episode of the Cults of Conspiracy.
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