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and Matt Flynn.
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ESPN Baton Rouge. Let's go ahead and go to the
phone lines. Now, all right, guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans
Dot Football joins us to break it all down.
Speaker 4: Nick, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: How you doing great?
Speaker 3: How you guys doing doing fantastic? So go ahead and
tell us who the starting quarterback is.
Speaker 5: Man, I don't know. I want to hear you guys.
Who do you guys got?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 4: All right, so I'll give you my breakdown.
Speaker 3: Okay, they both have moments, they both kind of and
Matt and I were just talking about during the break
you kind of flip the preseason games.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the same thing, right.
Speaker 3: Tyler came in the first game look really good in
the second half of a preseason game. Same thing for
Spencer in this last game. Here is why I think
that Spencer Ratler should be the starting quarterback. This is
going to be an off schedule team. When you look
at the troubles they've had on the interior of their
offensive line, it is going to be chaotic. And I think,
now this isn't fair necessarily to Tyler Shuck, but Spencer
Rattler plays better with chaos around him than Tyler Shuck does,
and I just think there's going to be a lot
of chaos, and so I think the race is tight.
I think they both give you something. They offer something
that could help you win games. But I think because
of what I'm expecting to be in front of Spencer
Rattler or whoever the Saints quarterback is, I would go
with Spencer Ratler because I think he can make more
off schedule plays than Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the best thing that Spencer does, I
think is that fearlessness too. Like he will he would
stand in the middle of a highway and get hit
by a semi to get a pass off, like he'll
just like totally stretch out that that porso just take
a big hit in the ribs and fire the ball
in there. And I think that's the best thing he does.
You know, I think one thing that's gonna help that offense.
But like whenever McCoy's out there, like it's gonna look
way different. And I'm not making a public defense of
scujar Ruizer, but there's a lot of stuff I've seen
on like sociale Lame vot eminem When you go through
the film, it's it's like, actually Simpkins like make it
up a lot of mistakes. So I think when McCoy
gets out there, that was quite a bit too. I
still believe it's the same thing I said last week,
and I thought this game was a was a further
uh further evidence of it. They very very very clearly
want Tyler Shuffel in this battle, Like they give him
the two receivers they they put they let him, you know,
finish the whole half, like they absolutely want him to
be the guy. I don't know which direction it goes.
I think if I were making the decision, I would
probably come up with the plan right now where I
would give Spencer the first four games and let it
go from there. My expectation would be, and I'm speaking
as if I'm their coach, not like myself, like they
dropped to Chuck. They want Chuck to play. They want
him to get most of the games. They want to
evaluate him. They think he has a chance to be
their future. They made that decision with Rattler on their team,
like they want it to go that way. I think
they'd be open minded the new new information. Obviously, my
plan right now, if I were the coach of the team,
I would say, all right, I'm gonna get Spencer Arizona,
Sam fran Seattle and Buffalo, knowing that those games are
probably gonna be really, really hard and at the end
of it, you know that that could be something where
you're owing four and complete and fifty two percent of
your passes have you know, twice as many interceptions as touchdowns,
and you are in a very bad spot. I would
give those the Spencer, knowing that my guy like is
staying clean from that, gets a chance to come in
and maybe not go through that gauntlet and have a
clean start in week five, maybe some of the Lloyd's
to silence. But on the other end of Spencer goes
through that and he excels like there you go like
you got great information, and you keep them in there
and you let them keep rolling. But that would probably
be my plan at the beginning of it. I think
it's I really do think it's a coin flip. I
hate to be a prisoner of the moment. The deciding
factor for me would be, like basically what you were saying,
Spencer is is better in chaos, and in chaos. We've
seen Tyler Shuck like kind of like flit the ball away,
and we've seen him do that in a training camp
practice and I thought that was his worst moment of camp.
And if you go to his college film and there's
one of those where he kind of puts it away
and it turns into a pick six, like it's a
thing he does. I would assume they've reconciled that in
their mind that like, this isn't a huge deal right now.
I think it's one of those things where if you
don't fix it, it ends up defining who you are
as a quarterback. But they must think that they can
fix it. But for me, that would be the deciding
factor right now, Like it just feels like Spencer's more
more in a in a spot where he can kind
of handle some really nasty, top ugly stuff and you know,
Shuck kind of flicked the ball away, and like that's
it's not a it's not a break point for me
right now, Like it's way too early to be talking
like that, but like it's something that's on that list
of things that's like you can't let this keep out,
Like that has to change like immediately, and we've seen
it twice now since he's been there.
Speaker 6: Well, Rattler is has shown to be better with chaos
around him, but Shucks certainly hasn't shown that he's better
than Rattler in a pocket. With a clean pocket. I
think they've both been pretty good at going through their reads.
Their completion percentage has been pretty good. They've run the offense,
but things are going to break down. We just don't
have the personnel the roster to have it look clean
every single play. Nobody does. So I guess I want
to kind of go back to, like what is the
what's what's the basis of thinking, like they want Shuck
to be the quarterback? What like why why do you
think that they are want to push that? And I
guess the statement like they desperately want him to be
the starting.
Speaker 5: Guy, Well I would have worried desperately, but I mean yeah,
I mean yeah. On April on April twenty fifth, twenty
five at six PM, they had Spencer Ratler on their
roster and they decided at like you know, six forty
five pm to draft Tyler Shuck and said, this is
our guy, and that's the fortieth pick in the draft.
And you could have used that pick to draft a
wide receiver that you need. You could have used that
pick to draft the tight end that you need. They decided, no,
this guy is the guy that's going to give us
a better chance to win. Knowing that Derek Carr was
leaving their building. So basically they were looking at it
right there at that moment, like who's going to give
us the best chance of start in the game. And
I think you know that that's my interpretation of it.
I mean, I think they they decided that they could
get a better player than Rattler. And you know, you
don't draft the left tackle if if you feel good
about your left tackle. And I know it's a little
bit of a different position, but you know, they could
have very easily made a decision, Hey, we're going to
get a wide receiver to to support Spencer. We're gonna
go out, We're gonna get a veteran backup, a non
threatening veteran backup to put behind him that can you know,
maybe help mentor this room or whatever and go that way.
But they made the decision that we're gonna go all
young guys. It's one of these guys is gonna win.
And I think every single every single thing we've seen
is kind of been sacking the back toward giving him
the more advantageous situations to succeed in the preseason. And
if they didn't have a lean towards Tyler's shop, I would,
you know, from my role where I would have to
sit back and say, like, what are you guys doing?
Like why would you draft this guy and not try
to post an environment for him to succeed If you
identified him, well the quarterback that's gonna fit your system.
Speaker 6: I think they if they knew Derek Carr is not
going to be here, then that leaves Spencer Rattler and
your roster with j canor you have to pick somebody, right,
you got to pick somebody. You're not gonna You're not
gonna pick somebody in the seventh round. You got to
pick a good quarterback to fill and get more talent
because you don't really know. But I would think if
they want. If they push it, they would have more
of the reps, like skewed toward Shuck, like he would
have gotten the majority of the reps. Right, I think
it's I feel like it's been pretty even. It's been
really even. In the preseason games at least we were
talking about it, like the production from Rattler and Shucks
was like mirror images of each other. I think Game
one and Game two, Uh, you know the I thought
Chuck and Rattler when they started both started the games.
I thought they did some move the off worked the
offense well, good completion percentages made to all the throws
they were supposed to. And then when they also came
in as a second guy in each of the games,
they threw for more yards, they each got two minute situations,
they had more opportunities, they each threw a pick, they
each had an explosive play. Like I think they were
merely mirror images of each other. So I think they've
done a good job, and I think we can all
agree that as to this point, now they're gonna like
whoever the quarterback is going to have time. They got
to go win games. But to this point, like quarterback
is not the issue on this team or for this offense.
So tell me, like, what what is what have you sayen?
Where can they improve?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 6: Is there improvement to be made with this offense from
a protected standpoint, from a running game standpoint, run blocking?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, real quick, I don't disagree, Like I think
that it's been a pretty pretty fair battle. I just
think there's like a couple of little things in there
that that lead board that like getting the two minute
drill against the rams and the draining practice at the end, uh,
spencer ding, get those reps like he you know, he's
on the sideline next to Hayter. Uh, you know, going
through practice. It's about thirty more passes for for thirty
more reps, probably for shock. I could give you the
exact number, but you know later. But he was up
a little bit. But it's a splight. There's just like
a slight little like all right, we're gonna give him
an a lave a lave in Rashid and we're not
going to give those guys the spencer. But we'll see
what happens in game three. I mean, I think they
need to get a dress rehearsal, you know, bigger issues
on offense, Man it's it's I mean it's not inferior line, right,
I mean like that's yeah, that's uh, that's not good,
like kind of going out isn't isn't good. I think
that's that's a huge issue. I mean it's a turf
tole injury. Rookie year he had the same thing. He
misses eleven games with it. I mean, that's a giant
human with like recurring foot problems. Like it's it's at
least something that that's a little bit worried some you know,
I think Caesar needs to play way better. You know,
I think the like I think Banks has been awesome though,
Like he went against you know there Walker and uh
what is it now, hind Island six times in that
game in Passcoral won all six reps. Like, had a
really good game there. You know, I think Suaga was
a little bit messy, but like, yeah, I mean, I
just I just think their offense is underpowered just kind
of kind of overall, and you know, a lot I
dropped in that pass is weird. That's not something I'm
gonna like expect going into the season. But you know,
I just think I think there's some little details and
stuff too. That they gotta they gotta kind of work
out and you know, it's just been uh, I don't know,
like it was just a very flat performance, I thought
coming out into that game, and I thought, you know,
I think it's a fair criticism that in the post
game speech, like they played the video on Twitter and
Colin Mars like, oh, we gotta be ready to come
out here and play it like practice at six pm
every day every day leading into the game. Like, I
don't know, moved that up a little bit. I think
those are like little things that they got to, you know,
work out, and they'll go through and figure out and
get evidence and you know, learning and adjusting all that stuff.
But I think, just like overall that there is probably
gonna be a little bit of a learning process for
everybody in that building going through year one.
Speaker 3: Catching up with a guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans Dot
Football here on OTB. All right, let's get away for
a little bit from the quarterback position, and what did
you think about the running back rotation week number one?
In the preseason, they had nowhere to go. There was
a couple of better situations this game. Not certainly not
where you wanted to be, but there were some running
backs out there making plays, and even Clyde there in
the last portion of the game made a couple of
nice catches, made some you know, some runs. He's hitting
people on the sideline, getting upfield and getting you know,
kind of fired up there.
Speaker 4: Like where do you have the running back battles right now?
Speaker 5: I feel like I comfortably have my four, Like I
think it's Alvin hendre Uh, Clyde, and in Bayless, and
it seems like they want Cam like they're getting Cam Akers,
you know, the higher reps now. But like he had
a bad snap and passport, and I feel like Clyde
just like keeps getting better at that camp goes on
and it's not something that's always done like a strength
of his game, but like you can can tell he's
really working at it, and it seems like he's picking
stuff up really well. Cam Akers has like a real,
real good practice against the Rams, maybe one of the
only guys coming out of there that I felt like
great about how he played that day. But like I
just feel like Clyde's making more plays there and I
think that's where they need like help, Like that hasn't
been a big strength of that Alvin's game. Obviously, it's
not something that that Kendra does well, not yet at
least I haven't seen anything from from Bayless to suggest
that he could do it. But I want him on
the team just like he just looks so explosives every
time he touches the ball. It's like somebody that could
be like a home run hitter. And that's just like
another element of speed you can get on the field
with all these other guys that are just like straight
up burners. Uh, you know, one of those guys gets
a little bit of space, like there's home run potential.
I like him in that role, you know, with Devin
neil Or he's just kind of out of sight, out
of mine right now. Eventually he probably finds his way
on there somewhere. And you know, maybe Clyde's the guy
that you initially cut and put on the practice squad
and use as an elevation early in the season. Events
stn him or something. But there's different ways run it.
But like, yeah, I'm taking Clyde ahead of Camp Bakers say. Now,
I just feel I would just feel more confident with
him standing next to you know, Rattler. Shuck shuck, rattler
on third down than than any of those other guys.
Speaker 6: All right, how about our guy Mason Tipton on this roster.
Speaker 5: I think you got to keep him. If you caught him,
someone's taking him. I mean that's usually with the math
ends up being and all a lot of times, you know,
I think when you're too close to the team, you
end up over eight and people like you like they
can't cut, like Padilla, someone's going to claim him. And
then like Faddill Diggs gets through to the practice squad
like ninety nine out of one hundred times, like Tipton's
getting claimed like he's he's just made way too many plays.
It's way too loud, you know. I like the way
that he responded to a little bit of you know, adversity,
took the blame for the interception, came back, you know,
makes huge plays down the stretch. I really really like
the way that he's playing. He played like this last
year in training camp too, and then got hurt and
you know, the last staff just didn't really like I
don't know, there was always just like difficulties. I think
for young players to get opportunities to make their mark,
I mean that's that's a stark difference I think between
these guys. And and then like I don't think that
you see Danny Stetsman wearing the green dot in the
first preseason game. You know, with the previous staff and
these guys, do you know it's a college staff kind
of especially on defense, a lot of development. You know
a lot of guys that have you know, just hot
guys and brought them up and they kind of trust
what they're seeing. And you know, I think, especially early on,
there's there's not a fear of you know, going to
younger proving guys because like your job's not on the linee.
You don't feel like, you know, well, if I go
to this young guy and he makes a mistake, he's
gonna get me tired. Like you can absorb some of
that early on, I said, have to say that, like
I think Tippson's gonna get real opportunities, and I don't
know that he got a ton of them last year
even with all the injuries. Uh, And it seems like, yeah,
I think he's got to be on the team. And
I mean, I know, you got three other guys that
have four four speed, but there's another one you put
Bayless shows in there running but like it could be
a track meet out there, Like there are probably times,
like you know, there's gonna probably be some exciting place.
He had one against the Rams, like ran like a
little shallow cross cuts it up the field, had a
sixty yard touch on it and it was like a
real play. Nobody like getting range to hit him. So
I like the home run hitting ability. I like the
fact that they got two three, four guys that could
probably turn a checkdown into a touchdown. Like I like him.
I think he has to be on the team.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 3: So much conversation has been about the offense. I mean,
it's kind of what we've done the first sixteen minutes here,
But the defense, when you look at the two preseason games,
I mean, if you put the total yards giving up
two forty eight three thirty seven, so only two hundred
and ninety two yards per game here in the first
two games. I mean, look, I know that Jacksonville and
they're you know, opening series. The first two series with
their starters went right down the field. But there's been
a lot to like, I think about this defense that
we're not talking about because we're so worried about the
offense of the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they got a chance will probably be
better than expected. They got like real depth. I think,
you know, the inferior toss of lion spots strading Collin
Saunders for a backup center, which I think is you know,
I don't know that I love the center, like he
had a tough time in Jacksonville, but I like, you know,
they got to have somebody by McCoy's miss like I
don't I don't even know what it was like seventeen
games over the last four years or something like that,
so important. But yeah, I think the defense is a
chance to be better than we expected coming into the season.
You know, I think day after day they've looked good
in camp. You know, I think they're probably not as
good as they look in this camp because they're gonna
you know, I think there's some inflation going against the
softfense obviously, but they seem very organized, They seem very energized.
That feels like, you know, the details are all on point.
And I think more importantly, man like there's just like
a I don't want to like use a corny word here,
but like there's like a joy back on that side
of the ball with those players that I think was
missing the last couple of years. I think there's a
lot of frustration, but with how things were going, especially
last year, some of the staff changes in that uh
Todd Grantham, like the guys on the d line, Like
I've never heard people like speak out about a coach
the way those guys talk about him, which I mean
it's uh that there's like some some intensity to the
uh to the hate like on that guy. But yeah,
I mean I think this. I think these guys like
just feel good about what they're doing and I think
that matters. Like I think they're they're happy to play.
You know, there's a there's like a closeness actually too,
like with that that secondary you know, that safety group,
like they're they're just always around each other, the courn
like all those guys getting along. I don't know, I
just it just it just feels like they might get
everything out of what they have, like just because of
of where they're at, you know. And I think they're
gonna stop the run a lot better too. Like Godshaw
is like a real player, probably one of the better
one of the guys that I that I probably feel
best about coming out of this camp. You know, the
Alante Taylor being out is the only the only reservation.
But like, I look at how they're using like Ugo
Amadi in these games, and like I just keep like imagine,
like if that's a Lante out there, and you got
a little bit more speed and a little bit more
strength and a little bit more explosiveness like this last game,
like Ugo was like all over the place, and you know,
you just put Alte in there, and I think there's
gonna be a lot of plays made there too. So yeah,
I think that, uh, I think I got of everything.
Like I feel way more encourage about that side of
the ball, and I think I think they're a legitimate
spot for optimism. And like on top of all that,
it feels like they got a real player off the
street the day before camp starts enjoying Blackman like he's
just he's made it kind of plays. He seems to
fit really really well. So yeah, it feels like there's
a little bit of a you know, if you're looking
at both sides of the ball, it feels like that
there's a little bit more of a foundation on defense
right now. And I'm definitely encouraged by them, and uh yeah,
I'm optimistic about it. I think, like, you know, within
the parameters of you know, their talent level, but I
feel good about like what they're building over there.
Speaker 6: And I think when we look at training camp up
to this point for the Saints, so you can it's
easy to get kind of lost in the quarterback battle,
easy to get lost in like talking about different personnel.
But I feel like one question we don't hear a
lot or hear talked about, is like, what about the
job that Kellen Moore is doing as a brand new
head coach first time being. I'm sure there's like there's
there's learning curves, there's mistakes made, there's things that he
is doing for the first time, but like can you
great or rank like, but his job, the job that
he's done up to this point, as far as like
you know, with the battles and the rotations and managing
schedules and managing like inner squad practices things like that,
what the what would you rank his job up to
this point?
Speaker 5: It's a It's a good question because I think I think,
especially like a quarterback and then you know, with the
personalities involved and all that and you have to remember
like everything Rattler's been through in his journey to get
here and how things happen with like Caleb Williams, Like
he's someone that could probably very easily and I like,
I don't want to be on par projecting like thoughts
and emotions on somebody, but he's probably somebody that could
very easily feel scorned. You know, there's probably some some
PTSD residual stuff, like how different things have played out
in his career. And I don't think anybody could look
at this again, there's like two or three little more
Like we've spent fifteen minutes dissecting it and it comes
down to like two or three little things within it.
I don't think that anyone could really say that this
battle hasn't been hands with some degree of fairness. And
you can't really sit back and be like angry about this,
because I think that's a tough situation to manage, and
I think he's done a really good job with it.
It's two young guys at the beginning of their careers
who probably feel like the way to the world is
on the outcome of this. I mean, I bet you know,
if you're a quarterback in that battle and you feel
like you lose this battle, there's probably an element of, like,
you know, you feel like am I ever going to
get a chance again?
Speaker 6: And all.
Speaker 5: So, like, I think he's done a good job of
mitigating a lot of like jealousy and all that stuff
like that. You don't see it. You don't hear it either,
And you know, I've covered the league long enough that like,
you know, you you hear things like you know, when
things aren't going well and there's anger and there's there's
jealousy and all that stuff like it usually makes its
way over there. Like I haven't heard anything yet, So
I think that he's managed that well.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I think the veteran players like he's done a great
job of getting them to buy in all I can
do compared a few situations. And it's crazy to say
this because like DA had been around forever and it
seemed like he should have been their guy. The way
people talk about Calum Moore is vastly different than how
they were talking about DA through the first month of
his tenure. And we haven't seen any fireworks at all anywhere,
But last time it was I don't know, ten days
into it and granted it's a tough personality, but like
you have like Chauncey Gardner Johnson starting all kinds of
stuff like him not getting along with it. You know,
you go through some of the interviews from those very
first oka and you got people asking players, hey, like
do you what do you think about DA getting this job?
And it's like very luke warm or like even something
like like yeah, I'm not going to comment on that,
and like it's I don't know if that was like
a Sean Payton thing, don't want to take sides against somebody,
but it was. It was definitely weird, like there is
not weirdness right now, which you know havn't gone through
this just a couple of years ago. I think that's
a very a very good sign on you know, the
buy in the culture all that stuff. Now. You know,
I've only covered parcels type coaches, Bill Belichick, Sean Payton,
you know DA's from that that branch. The way they
handle practice in the time aspect of it is very
very jarring, Like there's a major element of like culture shock,
Like they've had two practices that went over ninety minutes.
They take every third day off, like that's definitely different
to me. I don't know what the impact of that is.
I'm guessing, you know, as I asked around, it sounds
like that's how the Eagles and the Rams and you
know some of these these younger you know, younger organizations
with younger coaches that I think they just probably think
about time efficiency differently. And you know, we'll see what
the outcome of that is and if it adjusted all
in your two or whatever. But I mean, the buy
in is significantly different, I think, than than what it
was when Das was over there.
Speaker 3: He is our guy, Nick Underhill, New Orleans dot Football,
good enough to join us every single Tuesday morning here
on OTB. Nick, We appreciate the time as always, sir,
and look forward to our next conversation.
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Speaker 3: I do feel like we don't talk enough about and
I'm not just talking about hero on o TV. I'm
talking about the station, the state, anybody that talks the
new or media.
Speaker 6: Yes, no doubt, journalistic integrity.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've always said that about us.
Speaker 6: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: We're so worried about the offense. And I understand it. Offense.
We all knows the superior side of the football. Duh
that we all get that.
Speaker 3: Uh but the defense actually has played well, like no,
I mean to what to what we thought it was
going to be. And they don't even have like their
full starters in there. Yeah, I got that, Sue. I
think the starters did go one for one. Yeah, and
then starts against backups. Well they want one for two
because they fumbled and you could say, well they were driving, Okay, well.
Speaker 4: Don't fumble it. It's football.
Speaker 3: But I think the experience too that you're got, I mean, look,
two hundred and ninety two yards. It's pretty good that
it's preseason, but I mean Jacksonville plays their starters for
a couple of series, they play their one B starters
for a couple series after that, and you only give
up three hundred and thirty seven yards, So you give
up two ninety two a game, and like the right now,
the experience that you're getting, like a dandy Stutsman wearing
the green dive in the middle of that defense, I
do think that it is going to pay off for
them now. I would like to see the starters get
some action, certainly uh in the last preseason game, because look,
you don't, you can't.
Speaker 4: You don't want to roll out there cold and I
get and you got an older defense.
Speaker 3: I understand all that, but I do think you're getting
some good experience for some young players that I'm actually
pretty excited about.
Speaker 6: Well, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they I feel like Juguars Jaguars.
I feel like they are gonna be pretty Yeah, I
feel like they're gonna be pretty dangerous here. But they're
kind of like a a souped on like a depth perspective,
They're like a souped up version of the Saints. Like
they're really good and they got some really good talents
and pieces on their one deep, Like you start digging
into the backups, there's still a giant like it's they
haven't been a perennial like good team. So like they
they're dealing with them, they're just dealing with better starters
on a roster standpoint. So once you start rotating backups
in for the Jaguars, uh yeah, at that point, yeah,
they're they're their movement of the ball is not gonna
be quite as good. So I mean that helped a lot.
That helped the Saints a lot.
Speaker 3: Look, you're I mean, you're going against first round pick
and ETN you're going against the number one overall pick
in Trevor Lawrence like two drives, Well, you acting like
that one that they turn the ball over doesn't count.
Speaker 6: I don't remember that. It was the first drive that
I saw Trevor just dicing them up and scoret Well.
Speaker 4: I mean that actually should happen.
Speaker 3: But the experience that you're getting your guys right now,
like Christian boys getting some great experience.
Speaker 6: Uh, I can't you know, you gotta gotta chill a
little negativity.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, buddy, there's negative.
Speaker 6: Blowing a lot of sunshine.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying the defense doesn't get talked about, and
I think they are right now getting some really good
experience that is going to pay off.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I need to see I need to see the old guys.
I need to see the vets. They need to get
some play in the last preseason game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, little w d forty on them knees, those ankles,
Get the shoulder warmed up a little bit, get a
couple series in, get some live hitting. For sure. You
have to.
Speaker 3: I mean that traditionally, even especially with a new defense.
This is a completely new style of defense.
Speaker 6: Yep, yeah, you have to, like this is the game.
I mean Traditionally, when it was four preseason games, the
third game of preseason was the one where the starters
would play. A lot of games, a lot of teams
will play into the third quarter with the starters, so
that would see by far their most action. Then they'd
get the fourth game to where they wouldn't hardly play
at all. So now you get a complete week off.
You don't have that fourth preseason game. I would expect
the Saints to play a lot of starters and all.
I mean they have to.
Speaker 3: You had to get some sort of warm up, like
you said, I mean, you got Brandon Saley, got a
new defense, new it's going to be completely different, Like
the scheme's going to be completely different.
Speaker 6: There's no reason not to play. And it's not like
you're trying to keep them healthy because we're going to
make Super Bowl run or anything like you know, like
Joe Burner, don't play him, Maybe don't play him, Joe,
just go down.
Speaker 4: Also like Jayden had a hell of a run that
ended in the end zone.
Speaker 6: I'm like, they'll get a keep that stat you washed away.
Speaker 4: I can appreciate he has one speed.
Speaker 6: In score.
Speaker 3: That he did right, you are, that's why he got
the first ever BMF belt that LSU gave out after
his performance against Missouri.
Speaker 6: And that he is.
Speaker 3: M Yes, all right, so we went along with Nick.
We'll take a break right now, and when we come back.
There is a school in the SEC, and it's not
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Speaker 4: We'll tell you who that is when we come back
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Speaker 1: Org from the locker room to the airwaves gets off
the bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 3: Don't care what big news coming from the planes. The
Auburn Tigers will now officially claim nine football national titles.
Nine so well, I mean, look, they've got a great
case study within their own state to claim national titles
that didn't really happen.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what they're going to do.
Speaker 3: And so I'm going to give you the year and
who they're going to claim this national championship from, because
before they only claim the AP national championships and so
nineteen fifty seven one and then two and ten they won. Now,
as I said, they're going to claim the nine football
National Championships, all right, So their new national titles will
be nineteen ten, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifty eight, in two
thousand and four, so nineteen ten is going to be
a new one. That was the Maxwell Ratings College Football
Rankings as well, So those two publications had them as
national champions. Now in nineteen thirteen, I think they've already
claimed that one. But nineteen fourteen, James Howe's Power Rating
system claimed them national champions. Are also going to claim
that now. Nineteen fifty seven, as I said, they won
the AP National Championship. They've always claimed that one. Now
in nineteen fifty eight, the Montgomery Full Season Championship brought
to you by David Montgomery, said they were national champions.
They're going to go ahead and claim that one, I believe.
In nineteen eighty three they claimed that one. Nineteen ninety
three is the National Championship Foundation and NCAA Football Record Books.
In two thousand and four, that's also a new one.
We played them that year, very good team. Jason Campbell,
Ronnie Brown Cadillac was on that team. Brandon Jacobs I
believe was on that team. So two thousand and four
and it says several people, including Darryl Perry and GBE
College Football Ratings said that they were national champions.
Speaker 6: What correct me if I'm wrong? Two thousand and four
didn't they have an wasn't a national championship game?
Speaker 4: That was my freshman year.
Speaker 6: I think they had a game that year, had a
year it determined the national cham And there was a
Crystal Balls in Alverurn, Alabama. But Darryl Darryl.
Speaker 4: Who Darryl Perry and gb E College Football Ratings?
Speaker 1: What is?
Speaker 6: What is g b E?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Great Britain Education, theyild it, Greater Birmingham, Greater probably Enterprise,
Greater Birmingham probably is there it is. I'll give you
nineteen thirteen. I'll even give you nineteen seven. I can't
give you fifty eight. Was any of these?
Speaker 4: Nineteen fifty eight was taken already?
Speaker 6: You said ninety eight four is real? Which one is real?
Speaker 1: Not any?
Speaker 6: Are any of them?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 7: We don't know about nineteen thirteen. They could have made
that up.
Speaker 6: That's why I gave it them. They can have it,
But that's just so stupid, like who cares? Nineteen fourteen
on the press on the precipice of World War One.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are we nineteen fifty eight the LSU Tigers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that is ours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: It didn't even finished number two in the country bout
the way I mean two thousand and four.
Speaker 4: Alburn didn't.
Speaker 3: Alburn did not finished number two in the country in
nineteen fifty eight. In nineteen fifty eight, the Iowahaw guys did.
But Auburn's like, yeah, let's had that one.
Speaker 6: Yep, got it.
Speaker 7: Oh you you see up, You're too big of a
program to be doing something like this. This is what
Alabama did back in the seventies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alabama's they notorious for doing it.
Speaker 3: But your sewing machine company Kentucky tried to do this
like five six years ago. They tried to do the
same and then like they made trophies from like the
ones that they were claiming, and they got roasted so
much that they like they were like, now, we're just kidding,
We're just kidding.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of people that want LSU to claim
nineteen oh eight because LSU was number one in nineteen
oh eight. Undefeated, but honestly, like credit to LSU, they're
not doing it like LSU's like we won our legitimate
national championships. Like if you remember in nineteen they added
it to a statue and there was like five spaces,
and everybody's like, they're gonna claim nineteen oh eight two
and they haven't done it yet because you get backlash
like this when you do that, like, oh, four, should
they have been in the national championship? I think so
they were better than Oklahoma, but you know what, you
weren't in it.
Speaker 4: They had a game.
Speaker 7: You gonna be us USC. Do you want to be
compared to USC? Try to claim two thousand and three,
you want to be UCF like you're Auburn, you're a.
Speaker 6: Little bit better than this or I thought you were
so just because old Charlie from down the road, like the.
Speaker 3: Only years, so I mean to to just after the fact,
go say yes, seven, let's add seven national champ that's why.
Speaker 7: Are they Probably they're gonna them all at once, just
drops out.
Speaker 3: So the only ones that they actually they actually have
claimed to is nineteen fifty seven. They went ten to zero,
led the nation in defense, finished number one eight people,
but they were on NCAA probation and not allowed to
play in a ball game. That was in nineteen fifty seven,
which they actually they have up in the stadium one
of like they actually claimed in twenty ten. We all know,
like we talked about yesterday, it was cam new un
versus everybody, and they went up there.
Speaker 6: They won that one, give you that one.
Speaker 3: But now we're talking nineteen thirteen, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifty eight,
nineteen nine, three, and two thousand and four.
Speaker 7: Why are they did they say? Why are they trying
to close the gap between them in Alabama?
Speaker 4: I would assume that has something to do with here.
Speaker 6: What would be more desperate and sad them claiming national
championships that happened a century ago based on some random
person's like list and what they thought. Or claiming a
national championship because you beat the national champ Like what
if Kentucky claimed national championship in O seven to beat us?
They're both pretty bad.
Speaker 7: That's worse. Ye, that's worse, Like it's worse for UCF
to claim it in twenty and seventeen, like, in my opinion,
the worst one Auburn's claiming it's two thousand and four,
which is probly their best argument because they were a
good team, but they didn't play in that game we
watched they played. It wasn't all Auburt.
Speaker 4: Wasn't so for nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Here's what it says, and this is from Auburn in
nineteen fifty eight nine oh and one in a perfect
six to zero in SEC play. LSU finished number one
at eleven and oh and was widely regarded as national champions. Now,
the two set of Tigers didn't play each other. Iowa
was also named a national champion that season by an outlet,
finishing eight one and one of note. Alburn's defense led
the SEC and the nation and yards per game allowed.
The Tigers offense led the SEC in total yards per game.
So they're trying to make it sound like, yeah, we
had a tie. LSU didn't lose or have a tie.
They were eleven and and oh, we were nine oh
to one. Remember they didn't get to play in a
bowl game that year because they were on probation. But like,
we led the sec U in offense and were like,
we were really good on defense as far as the
cards per game allowed.
Speaker 6: Look at the stats.
Speaker 3: You're going to stats like you don't have claim to it.
You tied a game, you were on probation, you didn't
even play in a ball game.
Speaker 6: It's just sad.
Speaker 4: Auburn LSU please never do this ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever ever.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking it up right now, hydrated.
Speaker 7: Though the NCAA recognizes l s U is the nineteen
oh eight national champs and l s U is still
they don't know.
Speaker 4: The NCAA website has we haven't.
Speaker 6: They probably have had a chance to fix it since
Auburn claimed it. They'll fix it. Sure, it's crazy, give
a few days. It didn't do much fast, so.
Speaker 3: But you know what, though, I mean their argument nineteen
ten is pretty solid for Auburn. They finished six and one,
five and zero in the s i AA.
Speaker 7: WHOA six and one, that's gonna be their record when
they make the twenty eight team playoff. Six and one.
Speaker 4: Douche championships just don't mean anything. Come on, man, you're
better than this. Don't get pretty sad.
Speaker 6: It's just sad. It is sad.
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