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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have BIGFOD activity

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. All right, Big for the Society. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the privilege of talking to Brian today. Brian's an

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<v Speaker 1>individual that reached out to me about the experience he

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<v Speaker 1>had happen in a small town in Illinois. We'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>about that in a minute, but Brian, it's privileged to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on the show today. How's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks very much for thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You had reached out through email after hearing one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more recent Illinois episodes, and there's been quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few interesting things that have been coming out of that

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<v Speaker 1>state lately. On this podcast. There's more to come, but Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's get right into it. Feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>share anything about the area that we're looking into today,

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<v Speaker 1>the time when it happened, and I'll let you get

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<v Speaker 1>right into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah. So this happened in about nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>July fourth week in nineteen seventy four or it was

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<v Speaker 2>in a small town called Victoria, Illinois, which is in

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the northwestern part of Illinois. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>about forty miles north of Pori, Illinois. And in this

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<v Speaker 2>area it was strip mines back in the seventies, sixties

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<v Speaker 2>and fifties, so there's heavy mining for coal. There was

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<v Speaker 2>strip mines, so at that time there was no regulation,

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<v Speaker 2>so instead of reclaiming the ground, they would just pile

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<v Speaker 2>the tailings of the diggings. When they got to coal out,

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<v Speaker 2>they would just leave these huge piles of earth. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was about in the nineteen sixties. My grandfather and

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of his friends a bought four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>some acres just a little bit south of the small

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<v Speaker 2>town of Victoria, Illinois, which is probably less than two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people, and they built lakes out there. They were sportsmen,

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<v Speaker 2>so they did fishing and hunting and we would go

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<v Speaker 2>out there. I grew pretty much grew up there every

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<v Speaker 2>weekend through my whole youth, and we would go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and have a big you know, Fourth of July weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And this event occurred in nineteen seventy two. On that weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually my birthday. So we would go there and

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<v Speaker 2>this you know, would be celebration. Well because of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that there was these hills. You know, being a

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<v Speaker 2>kid ten years old at the time or eleven years

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<v Speaker 2>old at the time, I mean this was just I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Disneyland for me. We would go out there and

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<v Speaker 2>hike in these hills and they would be and swamps

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<v Speaker 2>and lakes and we'd fish and hike and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, this is something that we did probably

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<v Speaker 2>since I was six or seven years old. Well, in

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<v Speaker 2>this particular weekend, you know, I was eleven years old,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy two. Two good friends of mine and my

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<v Speaker 2>cousin we do what we did every weekend as we

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<v Speaker 2>went hiking, and there was one particular hill that we

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<v Speaker 2>called Highest Peak, and it was probably one of the

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<v Speaker 2>highest tailings of the remnants of the strip mining, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was real steep on one edge, and we'd climb

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<v Speaker 2>this thing and we'd get up on top and you

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<v Speaker 2>could see for miles. You could see the remaining of

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<v Speaker 2>the strip mines, which at that time, because they were

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<v Speaker 2>relatively knew, we didn't have a lot of trees growing

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<v Speaker 2>on them, so they were pretty barren, but it good cover,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you could see the flat farm grounds are

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding the area. And so on this particular day, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>always race to the top of that hill, and on

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<v Speaker 2>this particular day I made it up there first, and

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<v Speaker 2>the shortly right behind me was a friend of mine, Greg,

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<v Speaker 2>he was coming up, and another friend Russell, and my

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<v Speaker 2>cousin Paul were on their way up. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>standing on top of this hill like I always always did,

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<v Speaker 2>looking around, and you know, just looking at the scenery

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<v Speaker 2>and the hills and everything. What caught my attention just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit off to my side and down a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit there was another tailing, and there happened to

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<v Speaker 2>be a cow standing on the top of this And

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<v Speaker 2>what got my attention so much is that cow was

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<v Speaker 2>bellowing like I've never heard of cow. You hear a move,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is This wasn't your typical mooing of a cow.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a bellowing. So I was looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>cow down there and it was just making all this

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<v Speaker 2>racket and you know, didn't know what it was. The

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<v Speaker 2>other my other friends were coming up and just about

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<v Speaker 2>that time I was looking at this cow and out

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<v Speaker 2>from the other side of the hill that it was

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<v Speaker 2>on comes walking this huge creature. And at this time

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know what bigfoot was. There was no Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>There was you know, a couple of TV stations and

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. So this thing comes walking on. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on two legs and it was, you know, striking just

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<v Speaker 2>like a man. But this thing was about twice the

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<v Speaker 2>size of that cow, which is cow's probably forty forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight inches tall, so you figure things about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eight to nine feet tall. And it was white. It

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<v Speaker 2>was cream color, kind of the color of a sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just kind of that white, dirty, dirty looking color.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I saw this thing, it was walking diagonally

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<v Speaker 2>away from me at an angle, and I screamed to

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<v Speaker 2>my friends and my cousin to look at this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as soon as I screamed, this thing immediately stopped

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<v Speaker 2>and it turned around and it looked right at me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we were, like to I looking at the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's about one hundred yards away, or it was about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards away. And when it turned when he

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<v Speaker 2>was walking, it kind of had a flexed forward position.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he stopped and turned and rotated full front view,

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<v Speaker 2>looking directly at me and I. At that time, I

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<v Speaker 2>was screaming at my friends. I was panicked. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what this thing was. And as I was screaming

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<v Speaker 2>and my friends were getting up there with me, it

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<v Speaker 2>would lean its head to the left and lead its

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<v Speaker 2>head to the right as it was looking at me.

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<v Speaker 2>And my friend Greg finally got up there with me,

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<v Speaker 2>he saw too, and so this thing just stood there

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, it seemed like an eternity to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was probably only a few seconds, maybe five seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>ten seconds, and then it turned around and walked directly

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<v Speaker 2>the same way that it came. And by the time

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Russ and my cousin Paul got up there,

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<v Speaker 2>it was already gone. So, you know, we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>explain to him what this was, and all we could

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<v Speaker 2>say it was this monster, and you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hard to explain to him, but we were scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was I was eleven, my friend Greg

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<v Speaker 2>I think was sixteen maybe or yeah, probably fifteen or sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean we got out of there as fast

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<v Speaker 2>as we could. We got back to the area where

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<v Speaker 2>we called the cabins, where they had the cabins built

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<v Speaker 2>with our parentss were there. We told them, we told

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<v Speaker 2>them what we saw. We saw this big white monster.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, you know at that time, they have

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<v Speaker 2>you know, teenage kids and you know, eleven year old

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<v Speaker 2>and my friend Russ was a couple of years younger

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<v Speaker 2>than me. You know, yeah, of course we saw a big, white,

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<v Speaker 2>hairy monster, and you know, nobody would believe it's nobody

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to look, you know, they were busy doing things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mean that weekend was quite an adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>So after it was over, you know, holiday was over,

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<v Speaker 2>we came back and life got on. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have an experience like this, it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>that you just just move on with. And about two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later, my friends, their mother was an insurance salesman.

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<v Speaker 2>They had an insurance agency and we were over her

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<v Speaker 2>office and she goes, hey, boys, I got something you

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<v Speaker 2>might be interested in the scene. So the paper at

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<v Speaker 2>that time, it was called The Grit Grit. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>old paper in the sixties and seventies, and gosh, so

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<v Speaker 2>many people got it. And she pulled out an article

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<v Speaker 2>that said that the Illinois State Police report seeing this

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<v Speaker 2>white man like monster and it was described in this

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<v Speaker 2>article exactly of what we described to them. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at that time they said, well, maybe you guys did

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<v Speaker 2>see something. So you know, as time goes on over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, you know, and you know that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>when you have an event like that happened. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we never went hiking anymore in those hills. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was a couple of years ago that I just happened

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<v Speaker 2>to be googling something because when somebody experiences something like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm sixty, you know, I'm going to be sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four next year, you know, so it's it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, you know, more than you know, fifty years almost,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think about it a lot. And now with

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, YouTube and I listened to your interviews

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<v Speaker 2>and these things about sasquatching Bigfoot, you know, it just

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<v Speaker 2>fascinates me because I have the privilege to see a

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<v Speaker 2>creature like this, and so I was just googling things,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found out that at the same time nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, in Peoria, which was about forty forty five

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<v Speaker 2>miles south of US, they were also seeing and describing

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<v Speaker 2>the same type of creature, very large, white haired. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at that area, the strip mining there,

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<v Speaker 2>it was Peabody Cold Company, Mecho mines. They had the

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<v Speaker 2>huge shovels that were just dig up the earth. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a diesel electric shovels. These things could move or you

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<v Speaker 2>could drive your cars to cars in a bucket. And

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<v Speaker 2>this area was all strip mines, just about all the

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<v Speaker 2>way down to Peoria. So you know, I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this creature was probably just living in that

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<v Speaker 2>area because it's so and back then, you know, seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nobody had any interest of you know, buying

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<v Speaker 2>strip mine land for any purpose. Now it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a hot item, but you know, this thing was was

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<v Speaker 2>obviously living in there. Then I did some research and

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<v Speaker 2>in southern Illinois they described also a creature like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and they described the same color. It was cream white color,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, so it had been the same one

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<v Speaker 2>that was traveling from northern Illinois, probably along the river,

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<v Speaker 2>the Illinois River, probably north up to Wisconsin and Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>and Canada. So you know, whatever this was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes me realize that, you know, I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>only one seeing it. But because of the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we were just a short distance away from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Peoria. I lived about forty miles to

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<v Speaker 2>the north of Victoria. We didn't hear anything about that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no TV stations, there was no internet. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody got the newspaper them down there. That was too

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<v Speaker 2>far and you know, so there wasn't that communication with us.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it just amazed me because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we were talking about, you know that Illinois has

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of these sightings, and you would never

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<v Speaker 2>think that because you think of Illinois as Chicago and

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<v Speaker 2>then farm ground. But evidently it's a corridor or something

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<v Speaker 2>from the south and north. So I think the frequency

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<v Speaker 2>of these things, you know, probably a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. And to kind of jump in there, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've definitely you've done some awesome research. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to point out something on top of that, some listeners

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<v Speaker 1>might have already made the connection. But you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look into Murphysboro, which is southern Illinois, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, the big Muddy Monster, which is a famous

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<v Speaker 1>case that also loud are tall, loud, white haired creature,

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<v Speaker 1>come out of Illinois during the seventies, may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the same exact thing that you saw just a year later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually, yeah, you know, you know and see at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And because the fact that you know, back

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<v Speaker 2>then we didn't have the media and the communications. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I ever saw the Patterson film of

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<v Speaker 2>what Patterson and Gamblin, I think was filmed in California.

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<v Speaker 2>But this thing and the thing that I saw walked

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the thing. You know, there was no difference other

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for years and years out there, why did

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<v Speaker 2>I see a white one? Nobody's seen a white one.

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<v Speaker 2>And until we got that article that my friend's mom

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, and not just in Illinois. This is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a side trail for a second or two. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the white variants have been seen down in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been called the Alabama white thang down there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a few, at least one that was seen in the

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<v Speaker 1>northeast Pennsylvania area around Scranton, Pocono's, Carbondale, that sort of area.

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<v Speaker 1>But your sighting is is such an interesting one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very cool when you get that face to face sighting.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to be incredible. Over the years, do you

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<v Speaker 1>thinking back on what you saw that day, have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen a representation in media or drawing or anything

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<v Speaker 1>that comes close to what you saw in the face

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<v Speaker 1>of that creature?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what I see now with the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>computer enhanced images of the Patterson one, it looks very

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<v Speaker 2>similar other than white, except the face of ours that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw had it was like weather beaten pink face,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it was it was looking right at me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the face itself, you know, Opposed to an

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<v Speaker 2>ape where you have a protruded mouth and nose. Was

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<v Speaker 2>this was less protruded, almost like a human face, but

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<v Speaker 2>probably a little bit more extended out with the mouth

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<v Speaker 2>and the nose. But it was not an ape face.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't have the conical head and no neck because

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<v Speaker 2>when it turned and looked at us, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>leaned its head back and forth, you know, to me. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when I looked at that image of the magnified computer

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<v Speaker 2>enhanced image of the Patterson one, Yeah, it looked very

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<v Speaker 2>similar the hair on this thing, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>hear stories of people saying it's shaggy hair, real long hair.

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<v Speaker 2>This was not real long hair. It was it was hair,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was not like shaggy long hair. But this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was a sunny day July fourth, and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards away, and I mean it just stopped

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<v Speaker 2>there probably five to ten seconds maybe at the most,

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<v Speaker 2>and just look directly right at me, you know. Telling

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<v Speaker 2>the story, I'm sixty four almost. I get goosebumps on

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<v Speaker 2>my arms. You know. I tell to my kids and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, their friends and grandkids or whatever, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I get goosebumps every time I tell this story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's affected me that much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely incredible. Did have any emotion on its face

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<v Speaker 1>when you were able to look at it for that

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<v Speaker 1>few seconds?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it just it was kind of a just a

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<v Speaker 2>non expressionist face just stared at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, were there any visible ears at all?

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<v Speaker 2>I could not see any, No, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that it wasn't long and shaggy hair, But

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<v Speaker 1>did you get a feel for maybe what lengths of

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<v Speaker 1>hair it did have on it, and what was the

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<v Speaker 1>length of hair different in certain areas of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't really recall now, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't well, I wouldn't say it was longer than

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<v Speaker 2>four inches or five inches long because the arms were

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<v Speaker 2>kind of out to its side, so I didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>like the hair hanging. You know, it was pretty much,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, close to its body. So I would probably

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<v Speaker 2>say probably no more than four inches if I recall, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to see the eyes at all?

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<v Speaker 2>The eyes looked dark. That's the only thing I could see.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if that were shadows or not.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I could definitely see the eyes because

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, and at that time, you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell it was looking directly at me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking directly at it. So and you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, with the one that they showed on

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<v Speaker 2>the Patterson film, you know that was obvious female. This

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<v Speaker 2>did not have any press. It was most likely a

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<v Speaker 2>male because it just had a big chest on it.

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<v Speaker 1>M Did you see any whites to the eyes at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I could not could not see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did you have visible eyebrows?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I wouldn't be I couldn't tell. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>area of the face was you know that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>rough looking pink? Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? How would you describe the nose that it had?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know when it when it turned and looked

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<v Speaker 2>at me, it was you know, it wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 2>pointed nose as I could see. It was more of

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<v Speaker 2>a flat nose. And then when it was walking, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have that protruded jaw and the machillary bone above

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<v Speaker 2>the jaw. It wasn't sticking out like an ape.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay did it have did it have a hooded nose

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<v Speaker 1>like humans would have or kind of more of like

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<v Speaker 1>a gorilla nose?

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<v Speaker 2>It was more of a gorilla nose, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay. There's a section under the nose that goes

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<v Speaker 1>down to just above the upper lip called the filtrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember anything about the how long or large

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<v Speaker 1>that area was?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I wouldn't be able to. Yeah, have seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you remember anything about how the mouth looked,

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<v Speaker 1>how big it was, if you were able to see

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<v Speaker 1>any teeth at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it didn't show any teeth. Yeah, I would have

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<v Speaker 2>I would have probably pretty much tidming if that showed

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a smell at all when it was around.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we couldn't smell anything. You know, there was no sound,

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<v Speaker 2>no smell. He just walked out, turned around when I screamed,

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<v Speaker 2>looked at me, and then walked back the same way

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<v Speaker 2>he came.

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<v Speaker 1>Any interaction between it and the cow besides the cow

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<v Speaker 1>making a ton of noise.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know, And and that's why you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>cow was you know, just bellowing on top of that

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<v Speaker 2>smaller hill. And you know, I don't know if if

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<v Speaker 2>it had a calf. There was no calf with the cow,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, this thing wasn't carrying anything. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would I would have seen if there was like any

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<v Speaker 2>blood on him. It would have been obvious for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then when he turned around and walked back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the cow kept bellowing, but the cow didn't move.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyl did not move it all off that off that

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<v Speaker 1>No clothes on it at all. Just hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, nope, yep, just hair.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you were able to see it walk

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit. Did it have anything peculiar about

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<v Speaker 1>the way it walked or its gate at all?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when it was you know, biped walking like

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<v Speaker 2>a man. Arms were swinging and it kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>when a person walks, they're pretty much erect. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was flexed forward, and he was, you know, looking straight

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<v Speaker 2>ahead as you walk in And when I screamed and

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<v Speaker 2>he stopped, then he stood straight up. So he was

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<v Speaker 2>flexed forward when he was walking forward, but then when

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<v Speaker 2>he stopped and he turned, and then he stood straight

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<v Speaker 2>up when he looked at me.

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<v Speaker 1>For listeners that might not be familiar with that term,

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<v Speaker 1>can you describe what you mean by when you say

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<v Speaker 1>flex forward?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry, okay. So when he was walking forward,

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<v Speaker 2>his upper body was leaned a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward, kind of like if you're walking into like a

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<v Speaker 1>strong wind like that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're stooped forward, Yeah, you're stoop forward a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very very interesting. You did mention that you saw

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<v Speaker 1>it turn its.

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<v Speaker 2>Head, right, yeah, so when he well, when he turned

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<v Speaker 2>and looked at me, you know, he didn't turn his

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<v Speaker 2>head and looked at me. He turned his whole body

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<v Speaker 2>and looked at me. And then when he was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at me and I was still screaming, he leaned his

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<v Speaker 2>head to the left and to the right back forth.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's kind of like a dog when you're

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<v Speaker 2>making noise, you know, they kind of tilt their head

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth. That's how I would describe it. He

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<v Speaker 2>kind of leaned his head one way and then leaned

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<v Speaker 2>his head the other way, almost like you know, wondering

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck tie was?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to see anything about its hands at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I couldn't really see the hands other than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his legs or his arms were longer than the human's arms,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because most people a little bit you know,

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<v Speaker 2>below their waistline, and this was down towards you know,

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<v Speaker 2>midway between his probably hip and his knee. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was they were longer than like a normal human.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was walking. What would you say, the approximate

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<v Speaker 1>length between steps it was able to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Was gosh, you know, you know, I'm figuring he's probably

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<v Speaker 2>eight feet tall, just because he's about twice the size

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<v Speaker 2>of the cow's size and thinking back, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>remembering to hear how he walked out. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>good stride on it because where he walked it did

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<v Speaker 2>not take very long to get where he was at.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, just I mean it's hard to say,

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<v Speaker 2>but probably five five at least five ft stride.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how much would you estimate the weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>creature may have been?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I'm a bear hunter, so I've shot

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty good sized bear. So looking at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>remembering back what he looked like, in the size of the

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<v Speaker 2>bear that's standing in my leving room, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>he was probably close to eight eight eight hundred to

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a big guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So remembering, try to remember the size of the head,

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<v Speaker 1>and is there an item in your home that comes

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<v Speaker 1>close to the size of the head of the bigfoot?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you look, I would say probably it's

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<v Speaker 2>close to a five gallon bucket, the width of a

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<v Speaker 2>five bound bucket, because you know, if I you know,

421
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking back here or thinking back, you know, the

422
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 2>size of him to that cow, and he was very

423
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>broad shouldered. I mean, he was really wide shoulder, and

424
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I would probably say it's probably a five gallon bucket.

425
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the broad shoulders. How far across would you

426
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>estimate that the shoulders were.

427
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:33.160
<v Speaker 2>I would probably say, you know, just you know, thinking

428
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.319
<v Speaker 2>back and then again back to the reference in the cow,

429
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably say they're three foot at least or more. Yeah,

430
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.400
<v Speaker 2>easily three foot.

431
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Was it making any type of sound at all? Even

432
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a small grunt or the smallest thing?

433
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, I could not hear anything, and you know,

434
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall you sound at all. First, I was

435
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>screaming so low that I probably wouldn't have heard one.

436
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>That's true. You've got the screaming and probably some so.

437
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't imagine experience something that as a

438
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>little kid. I mean, I can't imagine experiencing that now.

439
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>But even as a little kid, I mean, the trauma

440
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 1>must be just intense, you know, you know.

441
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I see, you know, I hear these stories

442
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.319
<v Speaker 2>of people seeing it, and I think, unless you see

443
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>something like this, I mean, it is traumatic. I guess

444
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 2>it kind of changes your personality because you get phixiated.

445
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't fixiate it on this. I mean, here, I

446
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>am sixty four, I've told this story constantly my whole

447
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 2>entire life, and you do you get obsessed with it almost.

448
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I remember when you know, you know, getting back and

449
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>learning about this. I did anything and everything I could

450
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>to learn everything I could about this thing that they

451
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.480
<v Speaker 2>call Bigfoot, and then sasas watch and you know, I

452
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>try to get as much information as I could about

453
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>it because it just really affected my life like that,

454
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>all through high school, all through college, all through my

455
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 2>entire life, you know, even now sixty four.

456
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's extremely unique because a lot of times

457
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll hear from stories like this is like the person

458
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>will not talk about it, and then they'll talk about

459
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 1>it thirty years later. You're saying the whole time, you've

460
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>been talking about what you saw that day.

461
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't talk to you know, strangers off the

462
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 2>street or you know, on my profession or you know,

463
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 2>my colleagues or anything like that. But if something you

464
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>mentioned something like that and I kind of fill them

465
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 2>out a little bit, it's like, well, what do you

466
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>think about that? Do you think it's real? And then

467
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 2>if you know, I can tell them I'm not going

468
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>to got some kind of netcase. Yeah, I share my

469
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>story and you know, probably the ones that I repeated

470
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it so much as you know, nieces and nephews and

471
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, close friends and stuff like that, and you know,

472
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>but you know, every peded the story so much that

473
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I really it sticks so clearly in your mind when

474
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you see something like that.

475
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>How would you categorize what you saw that day in

476
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the aspect of was it more ape like or human

477
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 1>like or something completely different?

478
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>No, it was more well, I would say it was

479
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>more human like than ape. But you know, it's its

480
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>body structure and habitats and the size of it. It

481
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>was not a human or you know, it was more

482
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>animal than human. I think, and I shouldn't say more animal.

483
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>It's its own saying rather than the human. You know,

484
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's its own, separate animal. It has you know,

485
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>human features for the fact that it's biped, and you

486
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>know it's it's its body. The way it is, the

487
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>way it walks, it's erect. You know, apes don't walk

488
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>like that. The way the structure of the lumber or

489
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>is fine, it doesn't vent. You know, they don't have

490
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the lung bar curve. That's what gives the ability of

491
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>a human to walk upright, is that lumbar curve, and

492
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 2>so it's more human like definitely than more of an

493
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>ape like creature.

494
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Was there anything that you saw or experienced during that

495
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>time that would make you think that there was a

496
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.079
<v Speaker 1>high level of intelligence involved.

497
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, boy, not really yet that you know, thinking back,

498
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>it just you know, it didn't do anything you know,

499
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>radical like run off or anything. It just calmly walked out.

500
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was going it actually it kind of

501
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>walked when it was walking out. The pace of it

502
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>walking out was faster than it was after we saw

503
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was walking you know, the other direction. So

504
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it looked so you know, human like.

505
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It was just huge, and you know, I think that's

506
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>what fascinates me the most is you know, I think

507
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 2>it's probably its own specie. It's not related to the apes.

508
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 2>I just it's more human than ape. The way it

509
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:19.759
<v Speaker 2>looked and walked.

510
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's such an interesting conversation because, you know,

511
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, when you have individuals that say

512
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 1>that it looks like a large undiscovered ape, that's one

513
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 1>thing too. But when you have multiple individuals that say, hey,

514
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a human that's really really tall, like

515
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>eight to ten feet tall. Then that's another thing, because

516
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the line between whatever that is in the Giants of Old,

517
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 1>that starts to blur pretty quick. So I don't know.

518
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, you know, and you know, I know, I'm

519
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a physician, so you know, I look at people's gates

520
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and and you know, this was this

521
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>was a human gait. It the way it walked other

522
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 2>than you know, and there's some pathologies in in health

523
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>that causes a person to flex forward or stoop forward,

524
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.319
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it was it was definitely humanoid gait.

525
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is getting really really detailed. But was there

526
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>anything about the foot? Could you see any details about

527
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the foot or how that you know, the foot moved

528
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>when it was walking that may have been different than

529
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, a normal human if you get what I'm doing, Yeah,

530
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>you get it.

531
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And you know I really wasn't paying you know,

532
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>that close attention to you know, that part of the body,

533
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the upper structure of it and its arms

534
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and head is what I was paying attention to. And

535
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 2>then when it turned around and stopped and looked at me,

536
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was standing completely erect. So I really

537
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if I remember ever seeing the feet.

538
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I was paying attention to that part.

539
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 1>When you know, you went through the rest of your

540
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 1>life and you'd talk to people every once in a

541
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>while about this, and sounds like you would do internet research,

542
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>you would read books things like that. Sometimes people in

543
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the same situation will actually go out and start to

544
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>look for these things themselves. Is that anything that you

545
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 1>ever got involved with or.

546
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't. You know, I did a lot

547
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 2>of research on them and you know, read books, but

548
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to search, you know, well, it makes you feel a

549
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit uncomfortable. I don't think I would. You know,

550
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a hunter and I go out, but most of

551
00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the if I go hunting, you know, if it's out

552
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of the country or out of the state, you know,

553
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 2>it's with a guide, so it's a little bit different.

554
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, even today, you know, i'm you know,

555
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>as old as I am. I'm a little funny about

556
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 2>walking out in the woods, you know, and it might

557
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>sound strange, you know, but you just feel a little funny.

558
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And I've never had the feeling that somebody was watching

559
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>me in the woods or anything like that, but it

560
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>just feels a little funny. And it was pretty interesting.

561
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 2>This had happened a couple of years ago. I was

562
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>at a wedding and the bride the groom on his

563
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>truck had a little picture of a sasquatch walking and says,

564
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I believe. And I said, hey, what what's that? And

565
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 2>this he was a deputy sheriff and he goes, yeah,

566
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, I believe in those, So tell me

567
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 2>your story. And then he started telling me a story

568
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that he was on patrol and it wasn't too far

569
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>from where I'm at now, but it was north on

570
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 2>the Rock River up towards you know, between here and Wasisconsin,

571
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>and he got called to a call and he went

572
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 2>out there and he says there was more than one

573
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of those things, and he goes, it scared me so

574
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>dang bad that you know, he goes, I'm a believer,

575
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you know. So you see and you're able to relate

576
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>to these people of something that you had the luck

577
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>to see in this phenomenon that you know, lots of

578
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 2>people see and lots more wish they seen. But you know,

579
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the chances of me ever seeing one again, you know,

580
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'd want to see one, but

581
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just something that it would be interesting

582
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 2>because now I know what I'm looking at.

583
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Something I've found that interesting. Is a lot of times

584
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 1>with witnesses, they will seem to be tied to other

585
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>types of phenomenon as well.

586
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Have you had any other heard? Yeah?

587
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Have you had any other interesting weird things happen in

588
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>your life besides this?

589
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>None? None at all?

590
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that is that's almost as interesting as the fact

591
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>of you seeing a big foot in itself, to be honest.

592
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, I've seen some of the people

593
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and they, you know, they see all these things that

594
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, gosh, you know, I thought once, of course,

595
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't go out looking for them. I don't know.

596
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that would be different if I did. But if

597
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I do, I want to be from my vehicle always away,

598
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. But no, I've never seen anything, never anything

599
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 2>supernatural or anything like that.

600
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>The friends you had with you that day that were

601
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>able to actually see it, is this anything that you

602
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 1>ever talked about with them at a later time when

603
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you were growing up, or high schoolers or anything at that.

604
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact. I was just at a class reunion

605
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of months ago and my friend Greg is

606
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 2>well he was she was in my class. So we

607
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 2>were there and and he comes up to me goes,

608
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you ever think about that? And I start laughing. It's like,

609
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>yeah a lot. So, and then we talked about He's like, yeah,

610
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>it's an amazing thing. You know what was it? You know,

611
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like, gosh, you know, it's amazing because you know

612
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>he's you know, four years older me or three years

613
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 2>older than me. And it's like, yeah, we always whenever

614
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>we see each other, you know, which is not that often,

615
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 2>but we will always say, you know what, I wonder

616
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>what that was. And then his brother, little brother, we

617
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about it a lot. You know. When we talk

618
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>about it, it's like because he didn't see it, he goes, man,

619
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could have saw.

620
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 1>That thing, right, I'd be the same way. Man if

621
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I if I had to grow up with my buddies

622
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and my brother talking about the bigfoot they saw and

623
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I just missed it by a few seconds.

624
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's true.

625
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, Brian, thank you so much for coming on the

626
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>show and for sharing what you experienced that day in Victoria, Illinois.

627
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Just another sighting that seems to be coming out from

628
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and in this Midwestern States. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're welcome. I'm glad to share the story, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I hope that if somebody hears about it

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<v Speaker 2>around that time around that area, you know, they contact

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<v Speaker 2>you because I think, you know, when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of sightings they had down by Peoria, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was in the newspapers down there, all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just had no clue what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>down there. So I'm sure hopefully somebody down there will

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<v Speaker 2>be listening to you and you know, share their story

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And if people want to reach out, the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to reach out is to send me an email

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<v Speaker 1>at Bigfoot Society gmail dot com. There's so many contacts

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<v Speaker 1>that I get all over the place, but the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to contact me and for it not to be

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<v Speaker 1>lost is through email. So again, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>Brian for coming on and definitely keep in touch if

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<v Speaker 1>you hear anything else or experience anything else in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're welcome and have a merry Christmasy.

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<v Speaker 1>You as well, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a

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<v Speaker 1>platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

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<v Speaker 1>encounter and a safe and respected environment, but we need

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you

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<v Speaker 1>just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of you have not shared

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<v Speaker 1>your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's

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<v Speaker 1>time that you get this off your chest. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get some well deserved for rest because I know you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate every one of.

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<v Speaker 1>had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

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<v Speaker 1>someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the list. These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge,

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<v Speaker 1>Dexter Fall Creek to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultist Lake,

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit Lake, Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

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<v Speaker 1>the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>West Diamond Lake Highway, and north of sixty two Creater

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Highway. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail

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