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Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Brian today. Brian's an
Speaker 1: individual that reached out to me about the experience he
Speaker 1: had happen in a small town in Illinois. We'll hear
Speaker 1: about that in a minute, but Brian, it's privileged to
Speaker 1: have you on the show today. How's it going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much for thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You had reached out through email after hearing one of
Speaker 1: the more recent Illinois episodes, and there's been quite a
Speaker 1: few interesting things that have been coming out of that
Speaker 1: state lately. On this podcast. There's more to come, but Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, let's get right into it. Feel free to
Speaker 1: share anything about the area that we're looking into today,
Speaker 1: the time when it happened, and I'll let you get
Speaker 1: right into it.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah. So this happened in about nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 2: July fourth week in nineteen seventy four or it was
Speaker 2: in a small town called Victoria, Illinois, which is in
Speaker 2: kind of the northwestern part of Illinois. I think it's
Speaker 2: about forty miles north of Pori, Illinois. And in this
Speaker 2: area it was strip mines back in the seventies, sixties
Speaker 2: and fifties, so there's heavy mining for coal. There was
Speaker 2: strip mines, so at that time there was no regulation,
Speaker 2: so instead of reclaiming the ground, they would just pile
Speaker 2: the tailings of the diggings. When they got to coal out,
Speaker 2: they would just leave these huge piles of earth. And
Speaker 2: it was about in the nineteen sixties. My grandfather and
Speaker 2: a bunch of his friends a bought four hundred and
Speaker 2: some acres just a little bit south of the small
Speaker 2: town of Victoria, Illinois, which is probably less than two
Speaker 2: hundred people, and they built lakes out there. They were sportsmen,
Speaker 2: so they did fishing and hunting and we would go
Speaker 2: out there. I grew pretty much grew up there every
Speaker 2: weekend through my whole youth, and we would go out
Speaker 2: there and have a big you know, Fourth of July weekend.
Speaker 2: And this event occurred in nineteen seventy two. On that weekend,
Speaker 2: it's actually my birthday. So we would go there and
Speaker 2: this you know, would be celebration. Well because of the
Speaker 2: fact that there was these hills. You know, being a
Speaker 2: kid ten years old at the time or eleven years
Speaker 2: old at the time, I mean this was just I
Speaker 2: mean Disneyland for me. We would go out there and
Speaker 2: hike in these hills and they would be and swamps
Speaker 2: and lakes and we'd fish and hike and everything else.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is something that we did probably
Speaker 2: since I was six or seven years old. Well, in
Speaker 2: this particular weekend, you know, I was eleven years old,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two. Two good friends of mine and my
Speaker 2: cousin we do what we did every weekend as we
Speaker 2: went hiking, and there was one particular hill that we
Speaker 2: called Highest Peak, and it was probably one of the
Speaker 2: highest tailings of the remnants of the strip mining, and
Speaker 2: it was real steep on one edge, and we'd climb
Speaker 2: this thing and we'd get up on top and you
Speaker 2: could see for miles. You could see the remaining of
Speaker 2: the strip mines, which at that time, because they were
Speaker 2: relatively knew, we didn't have a lot of trees growing
Speaker 2: on them, so they were pretty barren, but it good cover,
Speaker 2: and then you could see the flat farm grounds are
Speaker 2: surrounding the area. And so on this particular day, we'd
Speaker 2: always race to the top of that hill, and on
Speaker 2: this particular day I made it up there first, and
Speaker 2: the shortly right behind me was a friend of mine, Greg,
Speaker 2: he was coming up, and another friend Russell, and my
Speaker 2: cousin Paul were on their way up. And I was
Speaker 2: standing on top of this hill like I always always did,
Speaker 2: looking around, and you know, just looking at the scenery
Speaker 2: and the hills and everything. What caught my attention just
Speaker 2: a little bit off to my side and down a
Speaker 2: little bit there was another tailing, and there happened to
Speaker 2: be a cow standing on the top of this And
Speaker 2: what got my attention so much is that cow was
Speaker 2: bellowing like I've never heard of cow. You hear a move,
Speaker 2: but this is This wasn't your typical mooing of a cow.
Speaker 2: This was a bellowing. So I was looking at this
Speaker 2: cow down there and it was just making all this
Speaker 2: racket and you know, didn't know what it was. The
Speaker 2: other my other friends were coming up and just about
Speaker 2: that time I was looking at this cow and out
Speaker 2: from the other side of the hill that it was
Speaker 2: on comes walking this huge creature. And at this time
Speaker 2: we didn't know what bigfoot was. There was no Internet.
Speaker 2: There was you know, a couple of TV stations and
Speaker 2: that was it. So this thing comes walking on. It's
Speaker 2: on two legs and it was, you know, striking just
Speaker 2: like a man. But this thing was about twice the
Speaker 2: size of that cow, which is cow's probably forty forty
Speaker 2: eight inches tall, so you figure things about you know,
Speaker 2: eight to nine feet tall. And it was white. It
Speaker 2: was cream color, kind of the color of a sheep,
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of that white, dirty, dirty looking color.
Speaker 2: And when I saw this thing, it was walking diagonally
Speaker 2: away from me at an angle, and I screamed to
Speaker 2: my friends and my cousin to look at this thing.
Speaker 2: Well as soon as I screamed, this thing immediately stopped
Speaker 2: and it turned around and it looked right at me.
Speaker 2: I mean, we were, like to I looking at the thing.
Speaker 2: He's about one hundred yards away, or it was about
Speaker 2: one hundred yards away. And when it turned when he
Speaker 2: was walking, it kind of had a flexed forward position.
Speaker 2: But when he stopped and turned and rotated full front view,
Speaker 2: looking directly at me and I. At that time, I
Speaker 2: was screaming at my friends. I was panicked. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what this thing was. And as I was screaming
Speaker 2: and my friends were getting up there with me, it
Speaker 2: would lean its head to the left and lead its
Speaker 2: head to the right as it was looking at me.
Speaker 2: And my friend Greg finally got up there with me,
Speaker 2: he saw too, and so this thing just stood there
Speaker 2: for you know, it seemed like an eternity to me,
Speaker 2: but it was probably only a few seconds, maybe five seconds,
Speaker 2: ten seconds, and then it turned around and walked directly
Speaker 2: the same way that it came. And by the time
Speaker 2: my friend Russ and my cousin Paul got up there,
Speaker 2: it was already gone. So, you know, we're trying to
Speaker 2: explain to him what this was, and all we could
Speaker 2: say it was this monster, and you know, it was
Speaker 2: kind of hard to explain to him, but we were scared.
Speaker 2: I mean I was I was eleven, my friend Greg
Speaker 2: I think was sixteen maybe or yeah, probably fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 2: and I mean we got out of there as fast
Speaker 2: as we could. We got back to the area where
Speaker 2: we called the cabins, where they had the cabins built
Speaker 2: with our parentss were there. We told them, we told
Speaker 2: them what we saw. We saw this big white monster.
Speaker 2: And of course, you know at that time, they have
Speaker 2: you know, teenage kids and you know, eleven year old
Speaker 2: and my friend Russ was a couple of years younger
Speaker 2: than me. You know, yeah, of course we saw a big, white,
Speaker 2: hairy monster, and you know, nobody would believe it's nobody
Speaker 2: wanted to look, you know, they were busy doing things.
Speaker 2: And so I mean that weekend was quite an adventure.
Speaker 2: So after it was over, you know, holiday was over,
Speaker 2: we came back and life got on. But I mean,
Speaker 2: when you have an experience like this, it's not something
Speaker 2: that you just just move on with. And about two
Speaker 2: weeks later, my friends, their mother was an insurance salesman.
Speaker 2: They had an insurance agency and we were over her
Speaker 2: office and she goes, hey, boys, I got something you
Speaker 2: might be interested in the scene. So the paper at
Speaker 2: that time, it was called The Grit Grit. It's an
Speaker 2: old paper in the sixties and seventies, and gosh, so
Speaker 2: many people got it. And she pulled out an article
Speaker 2: that said that the Illinois State Police report seeing this
Speaker 2: white man like monster and it was described in this
Speaker 2: article exactly of what we described to them. So, you know,
Speaker 2: at that time they said, well, maybe you guys did
Speaker 2: see something. So you know, as time goes on over
Speaker 2: the years, you know, and you know that kind of
Speaker 2: when you have an event like that happened. You know,
Speaker 2: we never went hiking anymore in those hills. And it
Speaker 2: was a couple of years ago that I just happened
Speaker 2: to be googling something because when somebody experiences something like this.
Speaker 2: Now I'm sixty, you know, I'm going to be sixty
Speaker 2: four next year, you know, so it's it's been a
Speaker 2: long time, you know, more than you know, fifty years almost,
Speaker 2: But I think about it a lot. And now with
Speaker 2: the you know, YouTube and I listened to your interviews
Speaker 2: and these things about sasquatching Bigfoot, you know, it just
Speaker 2: fascinates me because I have the privilege to see a
Speaker 2: creature like this, and so I was just googling things,
Speaker 2: and I found out that at the same time nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy two, in Peoria, which was about forty forty five
Speaker 2: miles south of US, they were also seeing and describing
Speaker 2: the same type of creature, very large, white haired. And
Speaker 2: when you look at that area, the strip mining there,
Speaker 2: it was Peabody Cold Company, Mecho mines. They had the
Speaker 2: huge shovels that were just dig up the earth. There's
Speaker 2: a diesel electric shovels. These things could move or you
Speaker 2: could drive your cars to cars in a bucket. And
Speaker 2: this area was all strip mines, just about all the
Speaker 2: way down to Peoria. So you know, I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: you know, this creature was probably just living in that
Speaker 2: area because it's so and back then, you know, seventy two,
Speaker 2: you know, nobody had any interest of you know, buying
Speaker 2: strip mine land for any purpose. Now it's kind of
Speaker 2: a hot item, but you know, this thing was was
Speaker 2: obviously living in there. Then I did some research and
Speaker 2: in southern Illinois they described also a creature like this,
Speaker 2: and they described the same color. It was cream white color,
Speaker 2: and you know, so it had been the same one
Speaker 2: that was traveling from northern Illinois, probably along the river,
Speaker 2: the Illinois River, probably north up to Wisconsin and Minnesota
Speaker 2: and Canada. So you know, whatever this was, you know,
Speaker 2: it makes me realize that, you know, I wasn't the
Speaker 2: only one seeing it. But because of the fact that
Speaker 2: we were just a short distance away from you know,
Speaker 2: the city of Peoria. I lived about forty miles to
Speaker 2: the north of Victoria. We didn't hear anything about that.
Speaker 2: There was no TV stations, there was no internet. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody got the newspaper them down there. That was too
Speaker 2: far and you know, so there wasn't that communication with us.
Speaker 2: But you know, it just amazed me because you know,
Speaker 2: like we were talking about, you know that Illinois has
Speaker 2: quite a bit of these sightings, and you would never
Speaker 2: think that because you think of Illinois as Chicago and
Speaker 2: then farm ground. But evidently it's a corridor or something
Speaker 2: from the south and north. So I think the frequency
Speaker 2: of these things, you know, probably a little bit more
Speaker 2: than we realized.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And to kind of jump in there, I mean,
Speaker 1: you've definitely you've done some awesome research. I do want
Speaker 1: to point out something on top of that, some listeners
Speaker 1: might have already made the connection. But you know, if
Speaker 1: you look into Murphysboro, which is southern Illinois, in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, the big Muddy Monster, which is a famous
Speaker 1: case that also loud are tall, loud, white haired creature,
Speaker 1: and that's that's one of the most famous cases to
Speaker 1: come out of Illinois during the seventies, may have been
Speaker 1: the same exact thing that you saw just a year later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah, you know, you know and see at
Speaker 2: the time. And because the fact that you know, back
Speaker 2: then we didn't have the media and the communications. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I ever saw the Patterson film of
Speaker 2: what Patterson and Gamblin, I think was filmed in California.
Speaker 2: But this thing and the thing that I saw walked
Speaker 2: exactly the thing. You know, there was no difference other
Speaker 2: than it was black. And you know, all I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, for years and years out there, why did
Speaker 2: I see a white one? Nobody's seen a white one.
Speaker 2: And until we got that article that my friend's mom
Speaker 2: gave us that they're white, there are white ones evidently
Speaker 2: at least one.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and not just in Illinois. This is kind
Speaker 1: of a side trail for a second or two. But
Speaker 1: you know, the white variants have been seen down in Alabama.
Speaker 1: It's been called the Alabama white thang down there. There's
Speaker 1: a few, at least one that was seen in the
Speaker 1: northeast Pennsylvania area around Scranton, Pocono's, Carbondale, that sort of area.
Speaker 1: But your sighting is is such an interesting one. It's
Speaker 1: very cool when you get that face to face sighting.
Speaker 1: It had to be incredible. Over the years, do you
Speaker 1: thinking back on what you saw that day, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen a representation in media or drawing or anything
Speaker 1: that comes close to what you saw in the face
Speaker 1: of that creature?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I see now with the you know,
Speaker 2: computer enhanced images of the Patterson one, it looks very
Speaker 2: similar other than white, except the face of ours that
Speaker 2: we saw had it was like weather beaten pink face,
Speaker 2: you know it was it was looking right at me.
Speaker 2: It's it's the face itself, you know, Opposed to an
Speaker 2: ape where you have a protruded mouth and nose. Was
Speaker 2: this was less protruded, almost like a human face, but
Speaker 2: probably a little bit more extended out with the mouth
Speaker 2: and the nose. But it was not an ape face.
Speaker 2: It didn't have the conical head and no neck because
Speaker 2: when it turned and looked at us, you know, it
Speaker 2: leaned its head back and forth, you know, to me. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: when I looked at that image of the magnified computer
Speaker 2: enhanced image of the Patterson one, Yeah, it looked very
Speaker 2: similar the hair on this thing, you know. And I
Speaker 2: hear stories of people saying it's shaggy hair, real long hair.
Speaker 2: This was not real long hair. It was it was hair,
Speaker 2: but it was not like shaggy long hair. But this thing,
Speaker 2: you know, it was a sunny day July fourth, and
Speaker 2: one hundred yards away, and I mean it just stopped
Speaker 2: there probably five to ten seconds maybe at the most,
Speaker 2: and just look directly right at me, you know. Telling
Speaker 2: the story, I'm sixty four almost. I get goosebumps on
Speaker 2: my arms. You know. I tell to my kids and
Speaker 2: you know, their friends and grandkids or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, I get goosebumps every time I tell this story.
Speaker 2: It's affected me that much.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely incredible. Did have any emotion on its face
Speaker 1: when you were able to look at it for that
Speaker 1: few seconds?
Speaker 2: Nope, it just it was kind of a just a
Speaker 2: non expressionist face just stared at me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were there any visible ears at all?
Speaker 2: I could not see any, No, gotcha.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that it wasn't long and shaggy hair, But
Speaker 1: did you get a feel for maybe what lengths of
Speaker 1: hair it did have on it, and what was the
Speaker 1: length of hair different in certain areas of it.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't really recall now, I know that
Speaker 2: it wasn't well, I wouldn't say it was longer than
Speaker 2: four inches or five inches long because the arms were
Speaker 2: kind of out to its side, so I didn't see
Speaker 2: like the hair hanging. You know, it was pretty much,
Speaker 2: you know, close to its body. So I would probably
Speaker 2: say probably no more than four inches if I recall, right.
Speaker 1: Were you able to see the eyes at all?
Speaker 2: The eyes looked dark. That's the only thing I could see.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that were shadows or not.
Speaker 2: But you know, I could definitely see the eyes because
Speaker 2: they you know, and at that time, you know it,
Speaker 2: I could tell it was looking directly at me, and
Speaker 2: I was looking directly at it. So and you know
Speaker 2: it's you know, with the one that they showed on
Speaker 2: the Patterson film, you know that was obvious female. This
Speaker 2: did not have any press. It was most likely a
Speaker 2: male because it just had a big chest on it.
Speaker 1: M Did you see any whites to the eyes at all?
Speaker 2: No? I could not could not see that.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you have visible eyebrows?
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't be I couldn't tell. The whole
Speaker 2: area of the face was you know that kind of
Speaker 2: rough looking pink? Gotcha?
Speaker 1: Gotcha? How would you describe the nose that it had?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know when it when it turned and looked
Speaker 2: at me, it was you know, it wasn't like a
Speaker 2: pointed nose as I could see. It was more of
Speaker 2: a flat nose. And then when it was walking, it
Speaker 2: didn't have that protruded jaw and the machillary bone above
Speaker 2: the jaw. It wasn't sticking out like an ape.
Speaker 1: Okay did it have did it have a hooded nose
Speaker 1: like humans would have or kind of more of like
Speaker 1: a gorilla nose?
Speaker 2: It was more of a gorilla nose, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. There's a section under the nose that goes
Speaker 1: down to just above the upper lip called the filtrum.
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything about the how long or large
Speaker 1: that area was?
Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't be able to. Yeah, have seen that.
Speaker 1: And do you remember anything about how the mouth looked,
Speaker 1: how big it was, if you were able to see
Speaker 1: any teeth at all.
Speaker 2: No, it didn't show any teeth. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 2: I would have probably pretty much tidming if that showed
Speaker 2: any kind of teeth.
Speaker 1: Was there a smell at all when it was around.
Speaker 2: No, we couldn't smell anything. You know, there was no sound,
Speaker 2: no smell. He just walked out, turned around when I screamed,
Speaker 2: looked at me, and then walked back the same way
Speaker 2: he came.
Speaker 1: Any interaction between it and the cow besides the cow
Speaker 1: making a ton of noise.
Speaker 2: No, you know, And and that's why you know, the
Speaker 2: cow was you know, just bellowing on top of that
Speaker 2: smaller hill. And you know, I don't know if if
Speaker 2: it had a calf. There was no calf with the cow,
Speaker 2: and you know, this thing wasn't carrying anything. And I
Speaker 2: would I would have seen if there was like any
Speaker 2: blood on him. It would have been obvious for that.
Speaker 2: So and then when he turned around and walked back,
Speaker 2: you know, the cow kept bellowing, but the cow didn't move.
Speaker 2: Kyl did not move it all off that off that
Speaker 2: little hill.
Speaker 1: No clothes on it at all. Just hair.
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, yep, just hair.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you were able to see it walk
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Did it have anything peculiar about
Speaker 1: the way it walked or its gate at all?
Speaker 2: You know, when it was you know, biped walking like
Speaker 2: a man. Arms were swinging and it kind of like
Speaker 2: when a person walks, they're pretty much erect. And he
Speaker 2: was flexed forward, and he was, you know, looking straight
Speaker 2: ahead as you walk in And when I screamed and
Speaker 2: he stopped, then he stood straight up. So he was
Speaker 2: flexed forward when he was walking forward, but then when
Speaker 2: he stopped and he turned, and then he stood straight
Speaker 2: up when he looked at me.
Speaker 1: For listeners that might not be familiar with that term,
Speaker 1: can you describe what you mean by when you say
Speaker 1: flex forward?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, okay. So when he was walking forward,
Speaker 2: his upper body was leaned a little bit.
Speaker 1: Forward, kind of like if you're walking into like a
Speaker 1: strong wind like that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're stooped forward, Yeah, you're stoop forward a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very interesting. You did mention that you saw
Speaker 1: it turn its.
Speaker 2: Head, right, yeah, so when he well, when he turned
Speaker 2: and looked at me, you know, he didn't turn his
Speaker 2: head and looked at me. He turned his whole body
Speaker 2: and looked at me. And then when he was looking
Speaker 2: at me and I was still screaming, he leaned his
Speaker 2: head to the left and to the right back forth.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like a dog when you're
Speaker 2: making noise, you know, they kind of tilt their head
Speaker 2: back and forth. That's how I would describe it. He
Speaker 2: kind of leaned his head one way and then leaned
Speaker 2: his head the other way, almost like you know, wondering
Speaker 2: what the heck tie was?
Speaker 1: Were you able to see anything about its hands at all?
Speaker 2: No, I couldn't really see the hands other than you know,
Speaker 2: his legs or his arms were longer than the human's arms,
Speaker 2: you know, because most people a little bit you know,
Speaker 2: below their waistline, and this was down towards you know,
Speaker 2: midway between his probably hip and his knee. You know,
Speaker 2: it was they were longer than like a normal human.
Speaker 1: When it was walking. What would you say, the approximate
Speaker 1: length between steps it was able to make.
Speaker 2: Was gosh, you know, you know, I'm figuring he's probably
Speaker 2: eight feet tall, just because he's about twice the size
Speaker 2: of the cow's size and thinking back, you know, just
Speaker 2: remembering to hear how he walked out. He had a
Speaker 2: good stride on it because where he walked it did
Speaker 2: not take very long to get where he was at.
Speaker 2: So you know, just I mean it's hard to say,
Speaker 2: but probably five five at least five ft stride.
Speaker 1: Okay, how much would you estimate the weight of the
Speaker 1: creature may have been?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm a bear hunter, so I've shot
Speaker 2: some pretty good sized bear. So looking at you know,
Speaker 2: remembering back what he looked like, in the size of the
Speaker 2: bear that's standing in my leving room, I would say
Speaker 2: he was probably close to eight eight eight hundred to
Speaker 2: one thousand pounds.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a big guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big guy.
Speaker 1: So remembering, try to remember the size of the head,
Speaker 1: and is there an item in your home that comes
Speaker 1: close to the size of the head of the bigfoot?
Speaker 2: You know, if you look, I would say probably it's
Speaker 2: close to a five gallon bucket, the width of a
Speaker 2: five bound bucket, because you know, if I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking back here or thinking back, you know, the
Speaker 2: size of him to that cow, and he was very
Speaker 2: broad shouldered. I mean, he was really wide shoulder, and
Speaker 2: I would probably say it's probably a five gallon bucket.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the broad shoulders. How far across would you
Speaker 1: estimate that the shoulders were.
Speaker 2: I would probably say, you know, just you know, thinking
Speaker 2: back and then again back to the reference in the cow,
Speaker 2: I'd probably say they're three foot at least or more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: easily three foot.
Speaker 1: Was it making any type of sound at all? Even
Speaker 1: a small grunt or the smallest thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I could not hear anything, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't recall you sound at all. First, I was
Speaker 2: screaming so low that I probably wouldn't have heard one.
Speaker 1: That's true. You've got the screaming and probably some so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine experience something that as a
Speaker 1: little kid. I mean, I can't imagine experiencing that now.
Speaker 1: But even as a little kid, I mean, the trauma
Speaker 1: must be just intense, you know, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, I see, you know, I hear these stories
Speaker 2: of people seeing it, and I think, unless you see
Speaker 2: something like this, I mean, it is traumatic. I guess
Speaker 2: it kind of changes your personality because you get phixiated.
Speaker 2: You don't fixiate it on this. I mean, here, I
Speaker 2: am sixty four, I've told this story constantly my whole
Speaker 2: entire life, and you do you get obsessed with it almost.
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, you know, getting back and
Speaker 2: learning about this. I did anything and everything I could
Speaker 2: to learn everything I could about this thing that they
Speaker 2: call Bigfoot, and then sasas watch and you know, I
Speaker 2: try to get as much information as I could about
Speaker 2: it because it just really affected my life like that,
Speaker 2: all through high school, all through college, all through my
Speaker 2: entire life, you know, even now sixty four.
Speaker 1: So that's that's extremely unique because a lot of times
Speaker 1: I'll hear from stories like this is like the person
Speaker 1: will not talk about it, and then they'll talk about
Speaker 1: it thirty years later. You're saying the whole time, you've
Speaker 1: been talking about what you saw that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't talk to you know, strangers off the
Speaker 2: street or you know, on my profession or you know,
Speaker 2: my colleagues or anything like that. But if something you
Speaker 2: mentioned something like that and I kind of fill them
Speaker 2: out a little bit, it's like, well, what do you
Speaker 2: think about that? Do you think it's real? And then
Speaker 2: if you know, I can tell them I'm not going
Speaker 2: to got some kind of netcase. Yeah, I share my
Speaker 2: story and you know, probably the ones that I repeated
Speaker 2: it so much as you know, nieces and nephews and
Speaker 2: you know, close friends and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, every peded the story so much that
Speaker 2: I really it sticks so clearly in your mind when
Speaker 2: you see something like that.
Speaker 1: How would you categorize what you saw that day in
Speaker 1: the aspect of was it more ape like or human
Speaker 1: like or something completely different?
Speaker 2: No, it was more well, I would say it was
Speaker 2: more human like than ape. But you know, it's its
Speaker 2: body structure and habitats and the size of it. It
Speaker 2: was not a human or you know, it was more
Speaker 2: animal than human. I think, and I shouldn't say more animal.
Speaker 2: It's its own saying rather than the human. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's its own, separate animal. It has you know,
Speaker 2: human features for the fact that it's biped, and you
Speaker 2: know it's it's its body. The way it is, the
Speaker 2: way it walks, it's erect. You know, apes don't walk
Speaker 2: like that. The way the structure of the lumber or
Speaker 2: is fine, it doesn't vent. You know, they don't have
Speaker 2: the lung bar curve. That's what gives the ability of
Speaker 2: a human to walk upright, is that lumbar curve, and
Speaker 2: so it's more human like definitely than more of an
Speaker 2: ape like creature.
Speaker 1: Was there anything that you saw or experienced during that
Speaker 1: time that would make you think that there was a
Speaker 1: high level of intelligence involved.
Speaker 2: You know, boy, not really yet that you know, thinking back,
Speaker 2: it just you know, it didn't do anything you know,
Speaker 2: radical like run off or anything. It just calmly walked out.
Speaker 2: You know, it was going it actually it kind of
Speaker 2: walked when it was walking out. The pace of it
Speaker 2: walking out was faster than it was after we saw
Speaker 2: and it was walking you know, the other direction. So
Speaker 2: but you know, it looked so you know, human like.
Speaker 2: It was just huge, and you know, I think that's
Speaker 2: what fascinates me the most is you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's probably its own specie. It's not related to the apes.
Speaker 2: I just it's more human than ape. The way it
Speaker 2: looked and walked.
Speaker 1: You know, it's such an interesting conversation because, you know,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, when you have individuals that say
Speaker 1: that it looks like a large undiscovered ape, that's one
Speaker 1: thing too. But when you have multiple individuals that say, hey,
Speaker 1: it looks like a human that's really really tall, like
Speaker 1: eight to ten feet tall. Then that's another thing, because
Speaker 1: the line between whatever that is in the Giants of Old,
Speaker 1: that starts to blur pretty quick. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, you know, and you know, I know, I'm
Speaker 2: a physician, so you know, I look at people's gates
Speaker 2: all the time, and and you know, this was this
Speaker 2: was a human gait. It the way it walked other
Speaker 2: than you know, and there's some pathologies in in health
Speaker 2: that causes a person to flex forward or stoop forward,
Speaker 2: but you know, it was it was definitely humanoid gait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is getting really really detailed. But was there
Speaker 1: anything about the foot? Could you see any details about
Speaker 1: the foot or how that you know, the foot moved
Speaker 1: when it was walking that may have been different than
Speaker 1: you know, a normal human if you get what I'm doing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know I really wasn't paying you know,
Speaker 2: that close attention to you know, that part of the body,
Speaker 2: you know, the upper structure of it and its arms
Speaker 2: and head is what I was paying attention to. And
Speaker 2: then when it turned around and stopped and looked at me,
Speaker 2: you know, it was standing completely erect. So I really
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I remember ever seeing the feet.
Speaker 2: I don't think I was paying attention to that part.
Speaker 1: When you know, you went through the rest of your
Speaker 1: life and you'd talk to people every once in a
Speaker 1: while about this, and sounds like you would do internet research,
Speaker 1: you would read books things like that. Sometimes people in
Speaker 1: the same situation will actually go out and start to
Speaker 1: look for these things themselves. Is that anything that you
Speaker 1: ever got involved with or.
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't. You know, I did a lot
Speaker 2: of research on them and you know, read books, but
Speaker 2: to search, you know, well, it makes you feel a
Speaker 2: little bit uncomfortable. I don't think I would. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a hunter and I go out, but most of
Speaker 2: the if I go hunting, you know, if it's out
Speaker 2: of the country or out of the state, you know,
Speaker 2: it's with a guide, so it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2: But I mean, even today, you know, i'm you know,
Speaker 2: as old as I am. I'm a little funny about
Speaker 2: walking out in the woods, you know, and it might
Speaker 2: sound strange, you know, but you just feel a little funny.
Speaker 2: And I've never had the feeling that somebody was watching
Speaker 2: me in the woods or anything like that, but it
Speaker 2: just feels a little funny. And it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: This had happened a couple of years ago. I was
Speaker 2: at a wedding and the bride the groom on his
Speaker 2: truck had a little picture of a sasquatch walking and says,
Speaker 2: I believe. And I said, hey, what what's that? And
Speaker 2: this he was a deputy sheriff and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, I believe in those, So tell me
Speaker 2: your story. And then he started telling me a story
Speaker 2: that he was on patrol and it wasn't too far
Speaker 2: from where I'm at now, but it was north on
Speaker 2: the Rock River up towards you know, between here and Wasisconsin,
Speaker 2: and he got called to a call and he went
Speaker 2: out there and he says there was more than one
Speaker 2: of those things, and he goes, it scared me so
Speaker 2: dang bad that you know, he goes, I'm a believer,
Speaker 2: you know. So you see and you're able to relate
Speaker 2: to these people of something that you had the luck
Speaker 2: to see in this phenomenon that you know, lots of
Speaker 2: people see and lots more wish they seen. But you know,
Speaker 2: the chances of me ever seeing one again, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd want to see one, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's just something that it would be interesting
Speaker 2: because now I know what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: Something I've found that interesting. Is a lot of times
Speaker 1: with witnesses, they will seem to be tied to other
Speaker 1: types of phenomenon as well.
Speaker 2: Have you had any other heard? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have you had any other interesting weird things happen in
Speaker 1: your life besides this?
Speaker 2: None? None at all?
Speaker 1: Okay, that is that's almost as interesting as the fact
Speaker 1: of you seeing a big foot in itself, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I've seen some of the people
Speaker 2: and they, you know, they see all these things that
Speaker 2: I'm like, gosh, you know, I thought once, of course,
Speaker 2: I don't go out looking for them. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that would be different if I did. But if
Speaker 2: I do, I want to be from my vehicle always away,
Speaker 2: you know. But no, I've never seen anything, never anything
Speaker 2: supernatural or anything like that.
Speaker 1: The friends you had with you that day that were
Speaker 1: able to actually see it, is this anything that you
Speaker 1: ever talked about with them at a later time when
Speaker 1: you were growing up, or high schoolers or anything at that.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact. I was just at a class reunion
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago and my friend Greg is
Speaker 2: well he was she was in my class. So we
Speaker 2: were there and and he comes up to me goes,
Speaker 2: you ever think about that? And I start laughing. It's like,
Speaker 2: yeah a lot. So, and then we talked about He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an amazing thing. You know what was it? You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, gosh, you know, it's amazing because you know
Speaker 2: he's you know, four years older me or three years
Speaker 2: older than me. And it's like, yeah, we always whenever
Speaker 2: we see each other, you know, which is not that often,
Speaker 2: but we will always say, you know what, I wonder
Speaker 2: what that was. And then his brother, little brother, we
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot. You know. When we talk
Speaker 2: about it, it's like because he didn't see it, he goes, man,
Speaker 2: I wish I could have saw.
Speaker 1: That thing, right, I'd be the same way. Man if
Speaker 1: I if I had to grow up with my buddies
Speaker 1: and my brother talking about the bigfoot they saw and
Speaker 1: I just missed it by a few seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Well, Brian, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 1: show and for sharing what you experienced that day in Victoria, Illinois.
Speaker 1: Just another sighting that seems to be coming out from
Speaker 1: all over the place, and in this Midwestern States. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. I'm glad to share the story, and
Speaker 2: you know, I hope that if somebody hears about it
Speaker 2: around that time around that area, you know, they contact
Speaker 2: you because I think, you know, when you look at
Speaker 2: the amount of sightings they had down by Peoria, you know,
Speaker 2: it was in the newspapers down there, all over the place,
Speaker 2: and we just had no clue what was going on
Speaker 2: down there. So I'm sure hopefully somebody down there will
Speaker 2: be listening to you and you know, share their story
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if people want to reach out, the best
Speaker 1: way to reach out is to send me an email
Speaker 1: at Bigfoot Society gmail dot com. There's so many contacts
Speaker 1: that I get all over the place, but the best
Speaker 1: way to contact me and for it not to be
Speaker 1: lost is through email. So again, thank you so much
Speaker 1: Brian for coming on and definitely keep in touch if
Speaker 1: you hear anything else or experience anything else in the future.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome and have a merry Christmasy.
Speaker 1: You as well, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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