Speaker 1: The weird things happened in the weird weird, weird.
Speaker 2: Greety rating.
Speaker 3: Everybody ate, how was that? I was going for that
Speaker 3: kind of like Victorian chant kind of thing, That's what
Speaker 3: it was doing, you know, or like Gregorian vibes.
Speaker 2: That. Wow, that was hard to breathe through my nose
Speaker 2: when I did.
Speaker 3: That, probably because there's no holes on it.
Speaker 2: I have a cold and it's that thing.
Speaker 3: Is really difficult.
Speaker 4: I couldn't wear it for a full green voice.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Right?
Speaker 3: Sorry? What are you talking about? His big red nose?
Speaker 3: It's natural?
Speaker 5: Oh, come on, dude, it's been like this for like
Speaker 5: two days. Okay, I've just been rubbing my nose a
Speaker 5: lot of cold. Yeah, I don't a little insecure about it.
Speaker 5: Well you could barely tell mister slim shady over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to talk about that? Put yourself on.
Speaker 4: I'm on here.
Speaker 2: Hey, how does that? How's it? How does it is
Speaker 2: that hard to breathe with that at all? That hair
Speaker 2: not at all?
Speaker 3: Everything's natural with me, nothing.
Speaker 4: Just going through my mk ltra memory eraser face.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out if it was like Britney Spears
Speaker 3: or if it was like I'm going for like a
Speaker 3: David Beckham or like a like a Brad Pitt kind
Speaker 3: of thing. Yeah, your your ice cream helped me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like it thanks to the being back there. Like
Speaker 3: you know what they say, bro, when they when they
Speaker 3: start shaving their heads and going blonde, it's over what
Speaker 3: they say. They say, it's over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who says that?
Speaker 3: Well, just like the celebrities when they start shaving their hair.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm telling you like that.
Speaker 2: Mk Ultra.
Speaker 4: It's the mk Ultra memory Eraser program. Every time they
Speaker 4: go to the medical center, the mk Ultra subjects, and
Speaker 4: they come out with bleached hair. Yeah, and it's shaved
Speaker 4: yeah most of the time. Yeah, so it's real.
Speaker 2: What was the real motivation? I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like my hair grows so fast, man, it'd be
Speaker 4: like two weeks and then I can shave it off
Speaker 4: and it's like it never happened. So it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I've never done anything like it before.
Speaker 2: Full disclosure, Full disclosure. Yeah, that's a show. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: It is out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm dying to know what you were gonna say.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: I think it looks great.
Speaker 2: I like it I think. In fact, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I don't have enough hair. It would look weird. But
Speaker 2: like a few days ago, I was like, man, I
Speaker 2: wish like I could do that, that would actually look cool.
Speaker 2: Nathan does that with his hair. Uh, Like, I think
Speaker 2: it's a cool look. I like it.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 4: I talked to Ryan briefly about it.
Speaker 3: You look like justin Timberlake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think the Y two.
Speaker 2: Can it looks like justin timber Ocean Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice? Yeah? Or you look like you look like Insynct nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the scene.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna try to actually grow it out
Speaker 4: and do it like a proper frosted tip situation.
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, you should do frosted tip curls and get
Speaker 3: them permed. I don't think that's it. I know that's
Speaker 3: his natural hair, but like, get it permed like his hair. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: you get frosted curled tips.
Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Just curl the tip, yeah, just the tip, Just run
Speaker 3: your fingers right through them.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm honestly here for the Alex hair regrowth era.
Speaker 2: I've been here for a minute.
Speaker 3: Eve Ben buzzed too long.
Speaker 2: You've been buzzed way too long. But let those locks
Speaker 2: breathe and let them fly.
Speaker 3: I want to say it was summer of last year
Speaker 3: you started buzzing that.
Speaker 2: I'm envisioning a future. I see it where Alex has long,
Speaker 2: lush his hair again, full beard man bun.
Speaker 4: Oh, so the beard, I'm envisioning it. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to do that. Why that's just not on my plan.
Speaker 4: The beard was out, the beard was looking good, but.
Speaker 2: It was it was it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about my latest.
Speaker 4: You didn't see it because we spent a week apart.
Speaker 4: The same day that I got the hair done, she
Speaker 4: was like, you gotta shave that. So I gave in
Speaker 4: to peer pressure, to wife pressure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I guess. If you kept the beard,
Speaker 3: you look like Homeboy from the first Tobey Maguire spider
Speaker 3: Man that shot his uncle. Yeah right, it's a weird look.
Speaker 4: It's a very contrasting look.
Speaker 3: Now you got to bleach the beard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I thought he did.
Speaker 2: He was fresh faced, he had he was fresh spikey
Speaker 2: bleach blonde hair.
Speaker 3: Oh like Lance Bass, Yes, from Insane.
Speaker 2: But he did not have facial hair lanced from InSync
Speaker 2: he's he's insane. He's not giving. Justin Timber he's giving.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Lance Bass. That's why I said you're in sync?
Speaker 3: He does. And you know what, I'm here when when
Speaker 3: you got the black hair, you're given Joey Fatone from what?
Speaker 3: Was he in sync? No? Or was he back?
Speaker 2: It's killing me? Uh killing me?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 2: In that.
Speaker 3: I actually met Joey Fatona. He was really cool. Man.
Speaker 2: Let's see, he was really cool Joey fat One. He
Speaker 2: was actually like.
Speaker 3: Extremely chilling in sync. In sync?
Speaker 2: There it is, you are literally in sync.
Speaker 3: You're a boy star.
Speaker 2: You're Alex boy wonder You're Alex.
Speaker 3: You're a boy band star man. Yeah, you look like
Speaker 3: it with the little camo shorts, he's barefoot.
Speaker 2: And the cool epic shirt like you you look like
Speaker 2: a one man boy band.
Speaker 3: Dude. I think next time we have a like a
Speaker 3: booth at a conference, we get Alex in this exact look,
Speaker 3: frost tipped hair, get him curl keep the shirt, came
Speaker 3: up past barefoot and we have a high rise chair
Speaker 3: where people run through the line and pay a nickel
Speaker 3: and they massage your.
Speaker 2: Feet yeah yeah, yeah, or they pay a nickel to
Speaker 2: like walk by and smell your.
Speaker 4: Feet incredibly specific. So that's cool. I'm also just stoked
Speaker 4: for how cool I'm gonna look, uh walking through the
Speaker 4: airport with a surfboard bag. I think it's just like
Speaker 4: the combination of the hair and the surfboard bag. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna look like some professional surfer.
Speaker 3: Dude, you need a walkman playing the gothic surfer.
Speaker 4: I was actually the next thing on my list I
Speaker 4: think is some real like Y two K Oakley's, like
Speaker 4: the ones that just look fast.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're bringing at the two thousands.
Speaker 4: Wow, you need all I'm telling you, they're coming back.
Speaker 4: I just I was just shopping for board shorts. I'm
Speaker 4: getting ready to go on a surf trip and I
Speaker 4: was just shopping for board shorts. I'm going to Waco, Texas.
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, So you know how like en seam of
Speaker 4: shorts has just been on the rise.
Speaker 3: Like shorter and shorter and shorter. Right within my wife
Speaker 3: keeps making me weard short short.
Speaker 4: The young man community, right, they're going back the other way.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you the Y two K stuff is making
Speaker 4: a comeback. Because I'm on the surfboard or surf shorts
Speaker 4: websites and everybody is selling twenty and twenty one inch
Speaker 4: and seems like the bat got surf paints.
Speaker 2: No, I was at Damn Zoomi's like a week or
Speaker 2: two ago, buying new clothes. I swear to god, I
Speaker 2: almost bought shorts that we're down to here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why we're going with the icp.
Speaker 2: Yes and hot, dude, they look hot. I almost bottom.
Speaker 4: I think I am going to buy a twenty one
Speaker 4: inch seem board short just to look like the old.
Speaker 2: I have an idea to watch.
Speaker 3: I have an idea. Okay, now just hear me out.
Speaker 3: You might want to put that back on for this
Speaker 3: because it has to do with clowns. Okay, so this
Speaker 3: is something that none of us are really experienced with,
Speaker 3: but it might be a nice middle ground where we
Speaker 3: could all meet and finally agree on something in unity. Okay,
Speaker 3: I think we should all be Juggalos.
Speaker 2: You do, yeah, really.
Speaker 3: And we paint our face the whole faygo everything.
Speaker 2: And we go to a concert.
Speaker 3: Well, no, we just like do the show. But henceforth
Speaker 3: we're Juggals because you got the jeords, the long pants
Speaker 3: hit the fourth Yeah, I get the hot topic pants.
Speaker 2: So we just become like a ICP podcast. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, I'm out. Oh yeah, I'm You're already
Speaker 2: halfway there.
Speaker 4: To look at you, I know you're a clown. I'm
Speaker 4: just going a different direction. I think with my life.
Speaker 3: You're going the all right, you're going the Matrix vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what I need to say, matrix word. But it's
Speaker 3: a certain design, certain vibe that was popular. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say it is canceled, certain apparel that people wore.
Speaker 3: Have to f you know what I'm saying. Oh, I
Speaker 3: get it, I get it. That looked like the Matrix
Speaker 3: sick a certain group of individuals. Anyway, So what are
Speaker 3: we talking about today? Yeah, I'm afraid that people tuning
Speaker 3: into this episode are really looking for some deep material
Speaker 3: about Rudolph Steiner. Whoa, So maybe we should shift in that.
Speaker 2: Guys, just to make it clear, that's why I was
Speaker 2: wearing the nose yeah Rudolph.
Speaker 4: Uh all right, So once again explaining the costume, why
Speaker 4: not can't escape?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't, they might not ever get it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And besides, we just spent nine minutes explaining yours
Speaker 3: your clown idiot, and you're a clown and you won't
Speaker 3: even be a Juggalo man.
Speaker 2: And you are a clown.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I said something I didn't realize.
Speaker 3: It was just getting backfire double as hard, go back
Speaker 3: home the clown world.
Speaker 2: I just had to make you laugh.
Speaker 3: So getting getting to the Steiner thing, it's a little hard,
Speaker 3: Like Steiner's kind of a difficult subject because the thing
Speaker 3: about Steiner is this one man similar to you know,
Speaker 3: Helena Bolovotsky. But theosophy kind of became more of a
Speaker 3: popular thing as far as like a school goes. Rudolf
Speaker 3: Steiner is one of those things where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: people are into Nietzsche or you know, Emmanuel can't he's
Speaker 3: he's kind of like a philosopher.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's like following a philosopher instead
Speaker 2: of like a philosophic practice. It's like you're literally following
Speaker 2: one dude.
Speaker 3: Right, And Rudolf Steiner does have a practice. It's called anthroposophy,
Speaker 3: and it is like pretty similar to theosophy with some
Speaker 3: really cool distinctions. So I'm gonna just try to get
Speaker 3: into all of that stuff. I'm in no way an
Speaker 3: expert on Rudolf Steiner. I did actually read a couple
Speaker 3: of his books today. Some of them are more like
Speaker 3: an essay format and they're pretty short, and then some
Speaker 3: of them are like seven hour reads talking about audiobooks.
Speaker 3: Some of them are like twenty minutes, some of them
Speaker 3: are like an hour. There's a huge variation in his books,
Speaker 3: but I think I got through about three of them today,
Speaker 3: which is probably too many for one day, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, but no, because it's like hard to remember
Speaker 3: all of it when you're blowing through them.
Speaker 2: Sure, but yeah.
Speaker 3: So the thing about Steiner is he was actually a
Speaker 3: Theosphist and he was a Rosicrucian. I'm pretty sure. Let
Speaker 3: me let me, let me just double check that, because
Speaker 3: he has entire books about Rosicrucianism, one of which I
Speaker 3: read and it was extremely interesting.
Speaker 2: What period of time was this man alive?
Speaker 3: Late eighteen hundred's to like.
Speaker 2: What I'm thinking. I was thinking nineteen.
Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty five was when he passed. So he was
Speaker 3: born in eighteen sixty one to nineteen. Wow, he really
Speaker 3: didn't live that.
Speaker 2: Long sixty to twenty I.
Speaker 3: Mean, lived like sixty four years or something.
Speaker 2: Well back, damn bro, that's you.
Speaker 3: Born in eighteen hundred. I want to.
Speaker 4: Verify seventy six. Oh, okay, expectancy currently.
Speaker 3: Right, He was actually not, he was not initiated rosicrusion,
Speaker 3: so similar to it. Yeah, he was very into it,
Speaker 3: kind of like Manley P. Hall or Helena Blovotsky. So
Speaker 3: Rudolph Steiner, he was born in nineteen sixty one. He
Speaker 3: was Croatian. He was so at a very young age
Speaker 3: he had this kind of an innate gift to you
Speaker 3: could call it meditation whatever. He was just really entranced
Speaker 3: with his inner world. He believed inherently as a child
Speaker 3: that there was something different about like his inside world
Speaker 3: in reality versus the external world. So that's that's kind
Speaker 3: of the crux of his whole practice is like advancing meditation.
Speaker 3: And the title of his greatest work, let me get it.
Speaker 3: Because he has tons of books. It's like it's like
Speaker 3: how to know higher worlds.
Speaker 2: Rudolph Steiner fascinating thinking about a little little Croatian boy
Speaker 2: who is just like so convinced that his internal world
Speaker 2: is different from the outside world, pondering such like difficult
Speaker 2: complex concepts that a little you know, it's a child. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: actually it was special. You know, like you're you're doing
Speaker 2: something if you're doing that at such a young age, right,
Speaker 2: reflecting in such a way the self awareness is wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, it's it's profound. And also the name
Speaker 3: of the book was precisely how to know Higher Worlds?
Speaker 3: And then he has another one knowledge of the higher
Speaker 3: worlds and its attainment. So I'm just gonna kind of
Speaker 3: talk loosely here for a moment. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: Rudolph Steiner was a part of theosophy and he was
Speaker 3: really into it. And there's kind of a controversy in
Speaker 3: the sense that some people agree one way, some people
Speaker 3: agree the other way. Rudolf Steiner claimed that he was
Speaker 3: removed from theosophy. Oh wow, that he was like kind
Speaker 3: of shunned, shunned, not in like a violent way, but
Speaker 3: like your beliefs do not one hundred percent match with ours.
Speaker 3: He claims that he was like removed. Other people claim
Speaker 3: he just left. So I don't know. I'd probably take
Speaker 3: his word for it, you know what I mean. True,
Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
Speaker 2: He's curious what drew you to Rudolf Steiner.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I wanted to get into that, So thank
Speaker 3: you for asking.
Speaker 2: You're welcome your big brothers.
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Speaker 3: So twenty eighteen, Okay, So twenty eighteen I met doctor
Speaker 3: Robert Gilbert, Rest in peace. He just passed away. Like
Speaker 3: two or three months ago.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, he did.
Speaker 3: It was it was sudden. He was not even like
Speaker 3: it wasn't expected, He's it wasn't like you know, older
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It just kind of was like
Speaker 3: a sudden shocking thing.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And and it sent ripples throughout the esoteric community. I
Speaker 3: mean I started seeing it all over social media, and
Speaker 3: you know, I was pretty crushed by that because I
Speaker 3: like my life was changed by meeting him. And he
Speaker 3: was one of those people where I, I mean for years,
Speaker 3: I and saying how I wanted him on the show,
Speaker 3: and he was like very influential to me. So Doctor
Speaker 3: Gilbert was a Rosicrucian and he had the Vesica Institute
Speaker 3: in Nashville, North Carolina, and he was very into Rudolph
Speaker 3: Steiner and a lot.
Speaker 2: He kind of put you on a little bit. Yes, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: A decade ago, we were finding out about Steiner from
Speaker 3: some friends of ours in the book, this guy named
Speaker 3: Larry Larry Fieschela, who had introduced us to some of
Speaker 3: these individuals in the CIA, like Jim Simmy Van and
Speaker 3: John Alexander, one of the Projects Target guys. But they
Speaker 3: would talk about Rudolf Steiner and theosophy and these kinds
Speaker 3: of esoteric movements, and you know, by by having conversations
Speaker 3: with Larry about this stuff, this Rudolf Steiner stuff, I
Speaker 3: was like, this is pretty interesting and looking into it.
Speaker 3: And a part of the Steiner system was about like beings,
Speaker 3: like the only real thing in the universe is being
Speaker 3: a being?
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the concept of being and that there are other beings,
Speaker 3: angelic beings or deities or whatever. So he would be
Speaker 3: talking to me about Rudolph Steiner and Rosicrucianism all these
Speaker 3: years ago, and I didn't really get it. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is cool, but I don't really get it. And
Speaker 3: as years went on, obviously I got more into it
Speaker 3: on a personal level and started researching it. So Steiner
Speaker 3: has been on my radar for like a decade. Then
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, I actually personally went and met doctor
Speaker 3: Gilbert and you know, was for a very brief time
Speaker 3: taking lessons with the Vesica Institute. Then life got busy.
Speaker 3: I moved to Wilmington, I got this new job, and
Speaker 3: it was like my life went in a completely different way.
Speaker 3: And sometimes you don't know what's right in front of you,
Speaker 3: and I kind of pushed it aside and moved on.
Speaker 3: Same with Monroe for like a decade. I didn't do
Speaker 3: anything with it. But yeah, so that was my introduction
Speaker 3: to Steiner, and it's something that I have been personally
Speaker 3: interested in for years. And there's been several episodes of
Speaker 3: the show where I've talked about it, just not at length.
Speaker 2: Sure you know what I mean as the focus, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but in past yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 3: And if you read Rosicrucion manuals like a m R.
Speaker 3: C uh, you know, if you go check their website
Speaker 3: out and you you go through, like if you rouse
Speaker 3: through their website and you start clicking all these different links,
Speaker 3: some text will pop up. And the thing that's cool
Speaker 3: about Rosicrucianism is and really all esoteric schools, is they're
Speaker 3: not necessarily rigid in the sense that, at least with
Speaker 3: the Rosicrusions, right, they're not necessarily rigid in the sense
Speaker 3: that as times evolve, new disciplines develop that they blend
Speaker 3: into their system. Right. Yeah, so even though you know,
Speaker 3: so even though at least in you know, exoterk religious
Speaker 3: exactly right, but at least with Rosicrucianism, as you know,
Speaker 3: being in ancient order. Something that they have blended into
Speaker 3: their system is like the teachings of Rudolf Steiner, the
Speaker 3: teachings of Blovotsky, you know, just modern things. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: that check out.
Speaker 2: It makes sense.
Speaker 3: There's new developments and it stands the reason right because
Speaker 3: you know, people think about the Bible. Oh, the Bible
Speaker 3: contains all the truth. Really it was written two thousand.
Speaker 2: Years thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3: What about the freckle on my left arm, Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: not in there exactly.
Speaker 2: That says a lot to me that, like they're willing
Speaker 2: to update things with the times, right, that seems only logical. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean I'm I'm I would be more
Speaker 2: apt to sort of trust in some of the things
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing or reading if I know, like these
Speaker 2: people aren't so rigid or this this practice isn't so
Speaker 2: rigid that it's just like never going to change with
Speaker 2: the times, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, like with religions, it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this doesn't change. And sure they'll change a degree of
Speaker 3: the moral aspect of it. You know, like a Baptist
Speaker 3: might say, yeah, you can snow snort cocaine the night
Speaker 3: before church and you can just like you know, ball
Speaker 3: out with forty hookers. As long as you show up
Speaker 3: on Sunday service and say the prayer, then you're fine.
Speaker 3: You know. Those kinds of things do change, sure, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And that's a moral thing. But
Speaker 3: like the structure is rigid and it doesn't change exact
Speaker 3: the you know, it doesn't. It doesn't necessarily evolve with
Speaker 3: the times. But when we're talking about the esoteric, we're
Speaker 3: talking about like I think the quote from Colena Blovotsky
Speaker 3: herself was like the highest I think it was like
Speaker 3: the highest religion is truth, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: There is a truth is there is a primordial truth
Speaker 3: that stands the test of time, can be tested by
Speaker 3: the way and observed to be true through the scientific process.
Speaker 3: Through testing this. Okay, well we're talking about spiritual things.
Speaker 3: How do you test that with the scientific process? Well,
Speaker 3: what is the scientific process? It doesn't use or mean
Speaker 3: using machines and tools necessarily, but it means creating specific
Speaker 3: conditions that can be observed, measured and repeated, Yes, and repeated.
Speaker 3: And there are certain things that have been repeated, like
Speaker 3: going out of body, you know, perceiving higher worlds and
Speaker 3: and things yes, yes, and things like that. So it
Speaker 3: is scientifically testable, right, and that's the whole Steiner system.
Speaker 3: It's about advancing like a rigid It's like, okay, if
Speaker 3: if if theosophy is about basically, you know, they're getting
Speaker 3: into trances and performing acts of medium ship to talk
Speaker 3: to spirits to receive knowledge, because that's the whole claim, right, anthroposophy,
Speaker 3: which is Steiner's thing, right, the offshoot of theosophy anthroposophy
Speaker 3: is now we're not really doing medium ship and getting
Speaker 3: into trances and talking to spirits. What we're doing is
Speaker 3: we are going to perceive higher worlds with our own faculties.
Speaker 3: So it's this protocol of like moral development and meditation,
Speaker 3: opening and expanding your consciousness so that you yourself can perceive
Speaker 3: the spiritual dimensions. Which sounds like what the monrostitute.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, that's yeah, yeah, it's it's all inner, it's
Speaker 2: all yourself doing it. It's not like connecting with some
Speaker 2: other spirit from there. I mean, they do some stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but it's ultimately it's like you are the
Speaker 2: power and you're pulling that power from within.
Speaker 3: Exactly. You are the God dwells within you. You are
Speaker 3: the God within that. You know, you are the Christ,
Speaker 3: you are the Buddha whatever. Yeah, whereas other things say
Speaker 3: that too, but then they're like, you know, we're we're
Speaker 3: going to go into a trance and some other ascended
Speaker 3: master is going to come through speak to us. May work,
Speaker 3: it may very well perfectly be real, but that there's
Speaker 3: a distinction between these schools, right.
Speaker 2: It's like yep Man and Bruce Lee.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is literally it's like legit and it's cool
Speaker 6: and I love that, but like let me take yeah
Speaker 6: way yeah, and then they were like you do that
Speaker 6: over there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's right, same thing, yeah, kind of wow.
Speaker 3: And and there's another distinction. So like Blavatsky's idea of
Speaker 3: God is like, you know, it's very impersonal. It's this
Speaker 3: kind of ominous force that doesn't give a shit about you.
Speaker 3: I completely disagree. In fact, I think that's wrong. Maybe
Speaker 3: that's how she sees it because she was traumatized by
Speaker 3: Christianity and Russia in eighteen hundred, so I could understand
Speaker 3: why she would say that. But then the Steiner idea
Speaker 3: of God is more along the lines of like, no,
Speaker 3: like it's it's the way. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: us A terror schools talk about it like you are
Speaker 3: the God within God is within you, and you are
Speaker 3: a part of that being. And and it is not
Speaker 3: very impersonal. In fact, it is pretty personal. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: very personal. It's intimately aware of everything that you're doing
Speaker 3: at all times, and it's your whole plan and purpose
Speaker 3: is unfolding because of that grand plan that your higher
Speaker 3: self has been unfolding over many lifetimes. Yeah, you see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying where theosophy is like there is a
Speaker 3: divine force, but it's impersonal. It doesn't give a shit
Speaker 3: abou it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't care about it. Kind of nihilistic interact nihilistic, Yeah,
Speaker 2: sort of it is. You know, it's very indifferent. It's
Speaker 2: very cold. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's very like it's
Speaker 2: out there, but you know, it's not looking out for you,
Speaker 2: it's not paying attention to you. It has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with you.
Speaker 3: Almost And and I fundamentally disagree for what it's worth.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of great stuff out of theosophy,
Speaker 3: but that's that's the beauty of all this is, Like
Speaker 3: you you take what's what resonates and what doesn't because
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's like, go find
Speaker 3: out for yourself. Oh you think this is bullshit? Okay,
Speaker 3: well you don't really have a right to say that
Speaker 3: until you actually adopt the meditation protocol, try it for
Speaker 3: yourself and try to perceive higher worlds. Otherwise you don't
Speaker 3: really have a right. That's my philosophy.
Speaker 2: Now, it's that's the beauty of stepping outside of exoteric spirituality.
Speaker 2: It's like being able to piecemeal what works for you together, yeah,
Speaker 2: and not having to follow these rigid like you can't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: The truth, in my opinion, the truth is like a
Speaker 3: cloud and you see a cloud and it is Maybe
Speaker 3: that's that's not a fair that's not necessarily a fair analogy,
Speaker 3: because you could say, well, a cloud can blow away
Speaker 3: with the wind. It's no sturdy. The truth is sturty,
Speaker 3: it is, But just follow me. The It is a thing.
Speaker 3: It is this formed thing. It's kind of etheric. You
Speaker 3: can't really touch it. It's the wind, but it's also
Speaker 3: like condensed moisture. It's like this thing that the changes
Speaker 3: shape and form, and it's growing and its form is
Speaker 3: constantly changing over time. The truth is the truth. You
Speaker 3: know it's primordial, but also like the or maybe I
Speaker 3: should say religion, right, or spirituality, the way we access
Speaker 3: the truth, not the truth itself, but the way we
Speaker 3: access it is different. It's changing form, it is changing shape.
Speaker 3: And I think as time goes on and our understanding
Speaker 3: of reality evolves, and like our interaction with reality itself.
Speaker 3: Now we have technology. Now, my five year old nephew is,
Speaker 3: you know, playing games on his phone, and the other
Speaker 3: day he's showing me how to play the Last of
Speaker 3: Us and kill zombies. He's freaking five.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, when I was five, I had Donkey Kong
Speaker 3: on a two D system with on the car with
Speaker 3: four buttons. Yeah, you know what I mean. And now
Speaker 3: my five year old nephew is like, hees virtual reality,
Speaker 3: and it's like our experience of reality is fundamentally different.
Speaker 3: It's evolving every generation always, you know, the goalpost is moving, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: and therefore our understanding of reality, This is what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say with the cloud thing, our understanding of
Speaker 3: the truth is evolving amorphos's amorphos. Yes, So it would
Speaker 3: make sense that as time goes on, we develop and
Speaker 3: adopt new systems that may be saying the same thing,
Speaker 3: but they have different you know, approaches, approaches, Yeah, different language,
Speaker 3: but it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: Everything evolves. Why should our connection with spirituality not right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it only makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 3: Like, and for me, the game is like, how can
Speaker 3: we do this faster? How can we how can we
Speaker 3: do this more efficiently?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What can we how can we apply what we've learned?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in my opinion, not updating your system is.
Speaker 2: Like playing with a handicap.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but I was gonna specifically say, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, let's let's go do some homework on the
Speaker 3: computer right quick. And you're like, yeah, I bet bro here,
Speaker 3: come on, come on over, and we need to drive
Speaker 3: down the street for this because I got a new
Speaker 3: computer and I want you to see it, and I want
Speaker 3: to do some work on this thing. And then when
Speaker 3: I come over and you got a whole new addition
Speaker 3: on your house and I'm like, damn, dude, you've been
Speaker 3: doing some construction. You're like, yeah, man, I had to
Speaker 3: get a new four under square foot room.
Speaker 2: You're going in here.
Speaker 3: We got some homework, you know, we got some studying
Speaker 3: to do. And I opened the door and it's a
Speaker 3: computer from the nineteen sixties. Whoa, and the shit's massive.
Speaker 3: It's like eight hundred foot. They got dial up, they
Speaker 3: got dialogue.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: The computers back then was the whole room. It was
Speaker 3: like the size of a house.
Speaker 2: Massive.
Speaker 3: And that is religion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you want to keep exoteric? Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And it's like no, no, no. I like
Speaker 3: the high speed. I like I like the the efficiency.
Speaker 2: We've evolved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have evolved.
Speaker 2: I'm still doing this.
Speaker 3: I like knowing that I don't have to follow like
Speaker 3: this archaic ritual and certain you know, order of things,
Speaker 3: when I could just do A to B the quickest
Speaker 3: most efficient route. Like, oh, you're telling me, all I
Speaker 3: gotta do is like do a certain little process and
Speaker 3: do a certain little meditation and I can, you know,
Speaker 3: perceive higher worlds and go out of body and like
Speaker 3: find this information for myself. Sign me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to devote my life to being
Speaker 2: like a monk in a monastery, yeah.
Speaker 3: Or tied to get it or ti. So the pastor's
Speaker 3: wife can you know, get get another.
Speaker 2: Set of nails and a new car and a private
Speaker 2: jet and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and also she got to get another phone
Speaker 3: bill because she's got to have a burn line to
Speaker 3: where she can hide the fact that she's cheating.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then a third line for the dial up.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah exactly. So anyway, it makes sense
Speaker 3: to me that systems.
Speaker 2: Would evolve as above so below. Man, It's like, uh,
Speaker 2: the physical and the spiritual have always been married. Yes,
Speaker 2: why is one going to evolve and the other stay behind?
Speaker 2: Like that's a great point, Like, no, it evolves together.
Speaker 2: Stop trying to like handicap yourself just because that's People
Speaker 2: put too much stock in tradition. I think in general
Speaker 2: it's good to have some traditions.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: It is good.
Speaker 3: Don't be trapped by it.
Speaker 2: Don't be driven dude, Like like, as soon as it
Speaker 2: starts getting in the way and making your life harder,
Speaker 2: let's get with the times. Yeah, on that they blind
Speaker 2: to tradition.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it. I didn't think
Speaker 3: about it like that, Like, yeah, it is as above
Speaker 3: so blow so as we're evolving in the physical. But
Speaker 3: you know, you're healthy now.
Speaker 2: Healthy, I'm cured.
Speaker 7: There's there's a yeah, there's it's got real treatment capability.
Speaker 7: There's all kinds of research about how tac can you know,
Speaker 7: treat certain things and you guys, it's all right here,
Speaker 7: right here.
Speaker 2: In real time.
Speaker 3: That's funny, I'm saying, that's kind of a viby just cave.
Speaker 2: No, I'm being silly, but like I really do feel
Speaker 2: that way, Like why why are we evolving physically but
Speaker 2: we're uh refusing to evolve our relationship with spirituality. I
Speaker 2: feel that.
Speaker 3: Now, just let's let's be clear, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 3: let's get into the day of the New age trap
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, you're telling me the truth is evolving. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: The truth is your way that you access it is changing.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the way that you access it, the way
Speaker 3: that you interface with it, the way that you embody
Speaker 3: its energy and its message and its ideals. You know, Like,
Speaker 3: for example, I do believe that there is a real
Speaker 3: power to the the idea of Christ. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to church. I'm not sitting here every
Speaker 3: night think in my bed thinking I'm gonna go to
Speaker 3: Hell because I didn't say the Lord's prayer today. No,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like our idea of things can change.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that the truth has changed, and therefore it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: oh really, you're saying I can believe whatever I want. Great,
Speaker 3: I've been in the you know, in the dark. I've
Speaker 3: been like a sci fi scientology guy. I just had
Speaker 3: to know that Xeni was real, and you're telling me
Speaker 3: he's real. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: that our systems and how we approach these things can change. Anyway,
Speaker 3: that was a really long time, but that was some heat,
Speaker 3: I think. So in the early nineteen hundreds he was
Speaker 3: like a prominent member of the Theosophical Society, but then
Speaker 3: he broke off in nineteen fifteen, which actually is kind
Speaker 3: of whack because he died twelve years later. So here's
Speaker 3: the key. We hadn't even got to this yet. You ready,
Speaker 3: this might lose some people. I think that this is
Speaker 3: the most beautiful part of the entire system Steiner believed,
Speaker 3: and I do believe this as well. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: I believe that this is a very important element to esotericism.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's like in a literal way
Speaker 3: where you know, you gotta believe in Jesus to be
Speaker 3: saved or anything like that. I don't think that that
Speaker 3: is the truth. But where Steiner differed from the other
Speaker 3: system theosophy was he believed that Christ, the being, Jesus,
Speaker 3: the man, he came, he lived, he awakened people, he
Speaker 3: was killed, he was crucified, maybe he resurrected, maybe he didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. But something happened there, right, Something really
Speaker 3: did happen there where for two thousand years we're still
Speaker 3: arguing about it. Steiner believed that that whole event of
Speaker 3: his life and his teachings and therefore his ascension, because
Speaker 3: you know, he's this immortal being now everyone knows about him.
Speaker 3: He believes that that is the cosmic impulse that was
Speaker 3: like rippled throughout the universe, that awakened life forms throughout
Speaker 3: the cosmos to it changed the course of our evolution
Speaker 3: to where we were able to begin awakening ourselves. Like
Speaker 3: it was a universal event. It's like a cosmic impulse
Speaker 3: where he came, that whole story spread and then awakened
Speaker 3: like the God within us, where we you know, like
Speaker 3: we can do this too ourselves, Like it was a
Speaker 3: salvation type event, but not in the sense like you know,
Speaker 3: the Church teaches. It's in the sense that like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: we really are godlike beings. Yeah, you know, God dwells
Speaker 3: within us, can't awaken. That's what he was saying. You
Speaker 3: can do this too, if you read the end of
Speaker 3: the Gospel. He's like, I think it's the Book of John.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, you, you guys, after I'm gone,
Speaker 3: you'll be able to do so many more miracles than
Speaker 3: me that you couldn't even fill the pages of a
Speaker 3: book with all the miracles. You couldn't even publish it all.
Speaker 3: It'll be so massive of a volume of texts of
Speaker 3: miracles that you will be able to perform after I leave.
Speaker 3: It's a parable. The whole point is like.
Speaker 2: You guys, here is a God.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you guys will do this too, like you
Speaker 3: are awaken beings, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the whole parable. He came here to
Speaker 2: show like, look, okay, here I am. I'm here as
Speaker 2: a human and check this out. I can do this stuff.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's the whole thing. Yeah, it's not that,
Speaker 3: it's like the shit they don't talk about, right. See.
Speaker 3: The church turned it into worship him, yeah, worship him. Yeah, Christology,
Speaker 3: like you have to worship him like Heracles or or
Speaker 3: you know, Zeus or Demeter or whatever. They turned him
Speaker 3: into this this paying an idea of a god where
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta worship him. And then they're like,
Speaker 3: now we're gonna, you know, get some control and some
Speaker 3: some money, some bread. He's turning loads of bread to
Speaker 3: feed five thousand Where we're gonna take these ideas and
Speaker 3: we're gonna get five thousand dollar bills off the tides.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, oh fires me up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, bring your soul to me and put money.
Speaker 2: In this platter, pay for your salvation.
Speaker 3: Get on your knees and confess to me that he
Speaker 3: is a god, or you will be damned hell. But
Speaker 3: you know, for a low payment of five ninety nine
Speaker 3: little coins, you can get your aunty out of hell.
Speaker 2: That's so fucked up? Is that not so fucked up?
Speaker 3: And you know what else is fucked up? That's why Mormons,
Speaker 3: A lot of them become Mormons.
Speaker 2: Did you know that to get their aunty out of hell? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Generally yeah, And I know we shifted from you know,
Speaker 3: the Roman Catholic Church to Mormons, but that's actually a
Speaker 3: legit thing and Mormonism. They have the idea of baptizing
Speaker 3: the dead. Yeah, and that's that's a large number of
Speaker 3: conversions is for that alone. It's baptizing the dead.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 3: I know people, not a big deal, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: do know some people who they became Mormons just to
Speaker 3: like baptize lost loved ones. And it's like, ah, wow,
Speaker 3: that's a bummer.
Speaker 2: Is a bummer.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, so the the big thing about anthroposiphy
Speaker 3: is kind of like egger Casey, it has a very strong,
Speaker 3: like Christian mystical slant. Yeah, but it's in an esoteric way,
Speaker 3: you know, just that like it's it's the story that
Speaker 3: you know that God is within us, but like as
Speaker 3: a real being, a real, a real force. Right. So
Speaker 3: he also did go on to form the Waldart the
Speaker 3: Waldorf School, which was kind of like a it was
Speaker 3: really cool, Alex, You'll really like this. It's like a
Speaker 3: holistic school. It's a legit school. I think it's still
Speaker 3: running today. Like I think anybody can just join this.
Speaker 3: I mean you probably have to go through a certain
Speaker 3: you know, vetting process, but it has like a holistic
Speaker 3: approach to nurturing the body, the soul, and spirit. So
Speaker 3: there's like, oh, get this. The first school opened in
Speaker 3: Stuttgart for workers at the Waldorf Astoria cigarette factory. Interesting
Speaker 3: worked with doctors in his day to like develop medicine,
Speaker 3: so kind of like a little alchemical slant, you know,
Speaker 3: working with plants and holistic remedies.
Speaker 4: Told Tobacco that's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a Steiner fan. Yeah, next week, you know
Speaker 3: he's gonna be showing up, you know with like a
Speaker 3: I don't know something something, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: Get Waldorf vintage cigarettes on eBay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but pretty cool that. I'm I'm almost positive his
Speaker 3: school is still going today.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Also you could fact check me on that please. But
Speaker 3: little fun fact last year when I was in Germany.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see if I can find the photo. Actually
Speaker 3: it was pretty crazy. I doubt i'll be able to.
Speaker 3: But when when I was in Frankfurt, Germany, last year,
Speaker 3: we were driving by.
Speaker 4: So to interrupt you, it, it looks like there's people
Speaker 4: who have taken the philosophy, like the Waldorf education philosophy
Speaker 4: and implemented it in like modern day schools. Because I'm
Speaker 4: getting schools in Wilmington that are like, yeah, what do
Speaker 4: they call it like boarding schools. No, like the education,
Speaker 4: the education where the kids more or less good to
Speaker 4: do what they want.
Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: It It'll come to me and then I'll tell you
Speaker 4: what it is. But I think so the philosophy of
Speaker 4: the school is still going on.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 4: If that original school is still.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just taking a quick peek because last year,
Speaker 3: while I was in Germany, I passed a real Rudolph
Speaker 3: Steiner school. I may not have gotten a picture of it.
Speaker 3: I thought I did. That's okay. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I'll be able to find it. But it was like
Speaker 3: the craziest synchronicity, bro, because there there was like, you know,
Speaker 3: my wife was born like twenty minutes from Frankfurt, Germany,
Speaker 3: and I've been there many times because a lot of
Speaker 3: her family lives around there. Her cousin actually lives in Frankfurt, Germany,
Speaker 3: and we were visiting him, and then we were driving
Speaker 3: out of Frankfurt and we passed this school and it
Speaker 3: said something like the Steiner House or something like that,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what is that. I can't remember
Speaker 3: if it was Steiner House or if it was the
Speaker 3: Rudolph Steiner House and I was like, what is that?
Speaker 3: And you know, my wife's cousin was like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: just like a elderly retirement community or something, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know that. I got to look
Speaker 3: into that and I started googling it, and sure enough
Speaker 3: it was like a legit Rudolf Steiner school slash museum
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and it was. It was very cool.
Speaker 3: So I've actually seen one in real life. I didn't
Speaker 3: get to go in or anything, but I thought that
Speaker 3: was an interesting little sink.
Speaker 2: So a bunch of like really old people in there,
Speaker 2: just like reaching enlightenment and like opening their third eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it actually has nothing to do with with
Speaker 3: at all. He just had no clue what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the Rudolf Steinerhuse.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 3: This is exactly what I passed. I just googled it
Speaker 3: real quick. I don't think the original school is in operation.
Speaker 3: Oh really, well that makes sense. Yeah, the Rudolph Steinerhouse
Speaker 3: h a U S and it is in Frankfurt, Germany,
Speaker 3: and we drove by that the really last summer. I
Speaker 3: was like, that's a little weird of a name. For
Speaker 3: an elderly retirement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's just funny.
Speaker 4: Monassori school is what I was thinking about earlier. Okay,
Speaker 4: I feel I've heard of it. I think the Waldorf
Speaker 4: education and Montesssori School kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 4: I think they're very similar. I think the Waldorf School
Speaker 4: probably puts more attention into holistic development. Okay, but interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're both kind of like alternatives to like traditional public
Speaker 4: school like what is it the Rothschild School system Rockefeller
Speaker 4: School system basically where like the student has more individualized attention.
Speaker 4: It's more like it's like, hey, let's yeah, let's figure
Speaker 4: out how you like to learn the best and teach
Speaker 4: you in that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I also think that they tend to get more
Speaker 4: exercise and like hands on outside time.
Speaker 3: I was talking to a teacher recently, like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: when I was at Monroe last week, because there was
Speaker 3: someone there who was an elementary school teacher.
Speaker 2: This is wild.
Speaker 3: But apparently kids only get like less than thirty minutes
Speaker 3: of recess now what Yeah, which is absolutely crazy because
Speaker 3: especially young boys need far more being out there playing
Speaker 3: getting their energy out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Crazy, that's how they learn.
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like we used to have like forty
Speaker 2: five minutes at least. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like forever Man, like going making up whole scenarios.
Speaker 2: Out there, whole scenario married.
Speaker 3: Having kids and and you're my and playing Make Believes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having a fort yeah, kicking girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing Power Rangers and Batman versus Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the craziest listeners.
Speaker 2: And one time me and my friend played Bible Man
Speaker 2: versus Star Fox. Really, yes, I remember that's fired Bible
Speaker 2: Man versus Star Fox and Bibleman one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that'd be a close one, but
Speaker 3: it would have to be Bible Man.
Speaker 2: It was close, it got a little scary, but Bibleman
Speaker 2: came out on three Biblemen of course. Yeah, of course
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 4: Played a lot of soccer and a lot of football.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and came in dirty every time.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, I was a sucker of the slides.
Speaker 2: I was playing Bible Man versus Star Fars.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's that's crazy, because you know, I never saw
Speaker 3: Bible Man until I was like an adult singing on Reddit.
Speaker 2: Oh, I watched it when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't. I wasn't, dude, I was to that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I just remember I went as Bible
Speaker 2: Man for Halloween one year.
Speaker 3: Oh no, way, straight up, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I had Bible Man action figures, all of it. You
Speaker 2: googling Bible Man? Do you not know? It's scary?
Speaker 3: How do you even get your hands on this?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: How do parents like?
Speaker 2: Where? Where? I don't know. That's just when it was
Speaker 2: first becoming a thing. You know, there was a it
Speaker 2: was a show. This looks ridiculous, it's crazy. Was it
Speaker 2: on TV? Like, this is some pretty underground show. I
Speaker 2: think it was on TV unless my parents bought like
Speaker 2: VHS or something. I thought it was on TV.
Speaker 4: My review here is this is the best part of
Speaker 4: every good superhero, like mixed into one for God with
Speaker 4: the worst colors.
Speaker 2: He has a lightsaber, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it like a has a cross on it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: He has a lightsaber. He has pretty much an Iron
Speaker 4: Man suit but it looks like a yeah, and he's
Speaker 4: got a Batman belt and a Batman cape.
Speaker 2: Let me see him.
Speaker 4: This is a mess, that's my guy.
Speaker 3: He does this is a mess. He quotes Bible verses.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that was the real one. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we're derailing.
Speaker 3: He's a powerful fing Yeah, he's powerful.
Speaker 2: He's very powerful, and he's definitely beat Starbucks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I mean that's kind of where I
Speaker 3: was anticipating that would go, that he would win anyway.
Speaker 3: So anthroposophy stands for the wisdom of the human being
Speaker 3: from the Greek anthroposts, which is human and sofio, which
Speaker 3: is wisdom. Right, So it is a spiritual science because
Speaker 3: the whole purpose of anthroposophy is like developing a system
Speaker 3: where you perceive higher worlds. You know, serious seekers can
Speaker 3: develop this. Everybody come, one and all, and the idea
Speaker 3: is to bridge the gap between the material and the
Speaker 3: spiritual through direct perception of higher worlds through inner development again,
Speaker 3: which there is a split here between at the time,
Speaker 3: which was the other popular movement theosophy, which is you
Speaker 3: go onto like trance medium ship that kind of you
Speaker 3: know that stuff is real, but it kind of scares
Speaker 3: me a little bit. Yeah, you know, like bringing in
Speaker 3: other entities and personalities, Like I think that's a very
Speaker 3: narrow window of possibility where it's like truly a holy
Speaker 3: good thing. But I think that opens a doorway to
Speaker 3: a lot of bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm honest, I don't know enough about it,
Speaker 2: but it always did feel a little a little dark.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the right word, but there's
Speaker 2: always something about it that's like, this seems a little dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it seems to me.
Speaker 2: It seems like something that you should only do if
Speaker 2: you really really know what you're doing and are confident
Speaker 2: in what you're doing, because it seems like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I'd be way scared to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I would never do that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's not real. I believe it is, really,
Speaker 3: I do know. But the thing is, like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and I don't think that anybody who does it
Speaker 2: is like evil or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, I know, I.
Speaker 2: Know, just like, yeah, it's like, damn, we could just
Speaker 2: any any entity could come through, any spirit with any intentions.
Speaker 3: And you know, people could say the same thing about
Speaker 3: me seeing the orbs and shit or they do actually
Speaker 3: or or you know, even like meditation, and that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not saying that it is an evil act.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying for me, it's like that that's that's uh,
Speaker 3: that seems like I don't know, it seems a little
Speaker 3: like playing with fire a little bit. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: like it's a it's an uneasy unknown for me, but
Speaker 3: I will admit I don't know enough about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's very interesting for sure. Yes, and yeah. So
Speaker 3: the whole Steiner thing is like it's a path of
Speaker 3: knowledge to guide the spiritual and the human to the
Speaker 3: spiritual in the universe. So there's a heavy emphasis on
Speaker 3: expanding your consciousness, uh, to have awareness of the macrocosm
Speaker 3: as well as the microcosm. So it's about actual expansion,
Speaker 3: you know, like experiencing expansion within your mind, becoming equally
Speaker 3: aware just kind of metaphorically speaking, equally aware of the
Speaker 3: cells within your system as you are aware of the
Speaker 3: stars within the universe. Which is interesting because doing meditations
Speaker 3: like that is very expansive. I have experienced some of
Speaker 3: those at Monroe and it is something that's very interesting,
Speaker 3: like going through some sort of guided process of visualizing
Speaker 3: the cells and then getting bigger and bigger and bigger
Speaker 3: and bigger. It's really awesome. So the core principles of anthroposophy. Right,
Speaker 3: so we're like basically a threefold being of obviously the
Speaker 3: body physical, the soul emotional and thinking, and then the spirit,
Speaker 3: which is like the eternal aspect of your being. Right,
Speaker 3: We're seen as every evolving moving through cycles of reincarnation
Speaker 3: towards spiritual freedom, self awareness, liberation. It's all kind of
Speaker 3: like we're here evolving through the system across many lifetimes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The higher self, the spiritual world are real, according to
Speaker 3: the anthropasophical system, accessible through a refined perception, similar to
Speaker 3: how natural science studies the physical. So the idea is
Speaker 3: you have a microscope that's looking at cells. While you
Speaker 3: are the occult scientist, you are the spiritual scientist. An
Speaker 3: anthroposophy does position itself as a cult science. Actually, the
Speaker 3: book a cult Science is a Rudolph Standard book. Let
Speaker 3: me get the exact name of that. I forgot. I
Speaker 3: glanced over this part. But he actually like was a
Speaker 3: somewhat of a scientist and not maybe he wasn't like
Speaker 3: a actual like scientist scientist, but it was his fascination geometry, mathematics,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, as a child when he
Speaker 3: had this inclination, Like I was talking about earlier. He
Speaker 3: had this inclination for like his inner being or whatever.
Speaker 3: He stumbled on a book about geometry, and he became
Speaker 3: obsessed with geometry, and he started studying science. He got
Speaker 3: really into I don't know how to pronounce this, a
Speaker 3: very famous German author. I guess he was like a
Speaker 3: poet philosopher. His name was Gota, you know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about her?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like one of the most famous German writers
Speaker 3: of all time. Yeah, and you probably would recognize the
Speaker 3: idea of a Faustian bargain. He created Faust. The story
Speaker 3: of Faust is selling your soul at the crossroad. So
Speaker 3: Steiner was like obsessed with goat cool, so obsessed like
Speaker 3: trying to translate and interpret his works. He believed he
Speaker 3: was like a very very prominent philosopher as his child,
Speaker 3: even like studying his writings, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So wow, how cool is that man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a huge fascination with science and mathematics,
Speaker 3: so he kind of positions anthroposophy as occult science. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find the name of that book.
Speaker 2: Was this one of the books that you read today?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't have time to read this one. It's
Speaker 3: called an outline of a cult science. But Steiner, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have started reading this before, but I was like,
Speaker 3: this is Yeah, that was many years ago. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so occult science an outline of ocult science. So if
Speaker 3: you've ever heard of the notion of the occult being
Speaker 3: a science, which is a popular notion.
Speaker 2: Certainly it comes from him. Got it. He's the dude.
Speaker 3: He's the dude.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yes, that's so cool. He was obviously so passionate
Speaker 2: about it from such a young age. He made like
Speaker 2: major breakthroughs in this field. Yeah, and defined it right,
Speaker 2: defined it for future generations. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's other ideas that he's come up with two
Speaker 3: that will cover in a bit that we've actually talked
Speaker 3: about before. Namely, people could probably hark all the way
Speaker 3: back to our earlier catalog of episodes and find one
Speaker 3: called good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds about zoro Aster,
Speaker 3: And in that episode we talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: Rudolph Steiner.
Speaker 2: And what episode number is it.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw it out there. Fifty nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, check it out, look it up.
Speaker 3: I don't know that was a complete guess, but ut,
Speaker 3: y'all let me launch it. That's right, yeah, because we're
Speaker 3: two hundred. Now, that would be insane, right, that was
Speaker 3: a complete random number anyway. Yeah, So we do briefly
Speaker 3: talk about Steiner in that episode for like a moment,
Speaker 3: because the idea of Ariman, yes or the or also
Speaker 3: known as Angraminu, you know, the evil spirit of the world.
Speaker 3: Rudolph Steiner has this whole system. I think he has
Speaker 3: a book actually called The Aromanic Deception, which is the
Speaker 3: idea that at some point in human history Satan was born.
Speaker 3: At some random point, we decided there's an evil entity, yeah,
Speaker 3: and began to.
Speaker 2: Charge this concept.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this energy, Yes, egre gore and feed it
Speaker 3: and yeah. So it's the Aromanic deception, the idea that
Speaker 3: there is an evil spiritual force, but who knows, maybe
Speaker 3: we created it?
Speaker 2: Right, that's what number is it. I'll bout you a piece, I.
Speaker 3: S yeah, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2: What or you no feats or you can swap it
Speaker 2: for a mcdouble.
Speaker 3: You've been watching. Uh he's found it down.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't get no feet.
Speaker 3: That's just funny, man. You know that's a weird little synchronicity.
Speaker 3: Is a shout out Kylee Bear from the voice actor Gohan,
Speaker 3: he just sent me. We had were just talking about
Speaker 3: that earlier.
Speaker 2: What right you found down.
Speaker 3: Downy McBride, because he sent me a gift of that show.
Speaker 2: Oh we'ound down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a little synchronosity there, but anyway, that's kind
Speaker 3: of crazy though, being ten off from.
Speaker 2: The number, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 3: It's kind of close.
Speaker 2: That's why you can get a mcdouble, yeah, or a tenpiece.
Speaker 3: A ten piece, because I could get that from they're
Speaker 3: both about twenty dollars a tempoce.
Speaker 2: No, No, he's just an inflation joke.
Speaker 4: I'm just mad man me too. I'm just mad you.
Speaker 4: I just want to affordable mcdouble.
Speaker 2: I could do, that's all. I could do an hour
Speaker 2: long episode about how mad I am about the price
Speaker 2: of things right now.
Speaker 3: No, dude, I try not to think too much about it. Same,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I just yeah, yeah, kind of like that.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh shit, yeah, it's getting ridiculous, but so
Speaker 3: super sensual. I think I did just say this part.
Speaker 3: But like supersensible perception, right, The idea is that the
Speaker 3: spiritual worlds are real, and this is a science in
Speaker 3: the sense that it's like explore this, you know, develop
Speaker 3: these faculties and explore the spiritual world yourself. Through meditation,
Speaker 3: moral development, self discipline, one can awaken the higher faculties
Speaker 3: of consciousness and experience expansion. Okay, Carmen reincarnation. Human destinies
Speaker 3: unfold over lifetimes in a moral and a lawful universe
Speaker 3: sounds great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Each life is an opportunity for spiritual learning and balancing
Speaker 3: past actions. Steiner considered the Christ event to be the
Speaker 3: central turning point in here in spiritual evolution. Christ is
Speaker 3: seen not in the religious terms, but as a cosmic
Speaker 3: being who brought the possibility of inner freedom and individual
Speaker 3: spiritual awakening. A key goal and this is something that
Speaker 3: I really appreciate about this system. A key goal is
Speaker 3: the development of ethical individualism, the capacity to act freely
Speaker 3: out of love and insight, not compulsion or dogma. In
Speaker 3: other words, you're gonna go to hell if you're not
Speaker 3: kind to your neighbor, because it says, you know, let
Speaker 3: he who's without sin cast the first stone. You're gonna
Speaker 3: go to hell if you don't treat others how you
Speaker 3: want to be treated, because it says in the Bible
Speaker 3: you're supposed to treat others how you want to be treated.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go to Hell if you don't. YadA YadA, yad,
Speaker 3: YadA YadA. No, that's yeah, there's all these consequences. You're
Speaker 3: not really You're so messed up in the head. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm just trying to survive hell.
Speaker 2: You are walking through life in fear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm trying not. That was my childhood as
Speaker 3: a Christian. It was like, I love God, I love Jesus,
Speaker 3: but I'm scared.
Speaker 2: To go to Hell.
Speaker 3: I'm playing in bed every night praying.
Speaker 2: Oh my God all the time, bear me constantly. All
Speaker 2: I could ever think about.
Speaker 3: I can't stand this nightmares because then I go to
Speaker 3: church every day and it's like you're gonna burn in
Speaker 3: the flames of Hell. I'm like, oh, ship.
Speaker 2: When comes the part where I enjoy any of this,
Speaker 2: like something good happens.
Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of it's a lot of trauma
Speaker 3: about you know.
Speaker 2: They literally tell you fear God, yeah, fear God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, work work out your salvation with fear and trembling
Speaker 3: before the Lord. Yes, and you know I get there.
Speaker 3: There's an aspect of that that I do understand. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, you know, if you see an omni dimensional being,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh fuck, you're scared. You know, it's it's
Speaker 3: like behold the power. But it's like, you know, fear
Speaker 3: fear God in the sense that like, you know, if
Speaker 3: you act up, you're gonna be cast to hell forever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I don't I don't know, I don't see
Speaker 3: it like that. But but but but but what I
Speaker 3: like about this system is those who truly walk the path.
Speaker 3: The emphasis here is on the freedom the actual individual
Speaker 3: desire outside of compulsion or fear, judgment or dogma, the
Speaker 3: actual individual desire to grow morally and ethically. That's where
Speaker 3: it's out. That's that's what it's it. That's the real magic.
Speaker 2: You know, when you actually.
Speaker 3: Care to be better, yes, and you care to.
Speaker 2: Be morally sound morally better, yeah, that's the magic.
Speaker 3: Something that is crucial to this Steiner system of development
Speaker 3: anthroposophy is that a part of expanding your consciousness and
Speaker 3: awaking your spiritual faculties is constantly basically being christ Like,
Speaker 3: basically like being being a moral individual for the desire
Speaker 3: of it, for the for the love of it, for
Speaker 3: you know, want wanting to be a better being for
Speaker 3: being connected to the spirit. It has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with being sent to hell or judged or any sort
Speaker 3: of fear of consequence. But it's about the actual desire
Speaker 3: to be better and to treat other people as defined beings.
Speaker 3: And the idea is that the more that you focus
Speaker 3: on this and and live a christ like life, you know,
Speaker 3: And if you're not particularly fond of Christ, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Maybe you like Buddha, that's fine, it doesn't matter. Don't
Speaker 3: get so hung up on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not about that.
Speaker 3: It's about being, right, It's about the act of being.
Speaker 3: It's about the art of being, you know, the magic
Speaker 3: of it, the magic of being. Yeah, that's all it
Speaker 3: is about. It's about being. It's not about what you
Speaker 3: think or what you believe. To an extent. It is
Speaker 3: to an extent, sure, you know, but ultimately at the core,
Speaker 3: if I think the shirt you're wearing right now is green,
Speaker 3: well I'm living a fucking delusion. So to an extent,
Speaker 3: it's about what you think, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: But that's not really the purpose of it, you know,
Speaker 3: gets so hung up on that's but but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: about being, and the more that you focus on being
Speaker 3: a better person and vibrating as like this beautiful loving
Speaker 3: being that your consciousness will unfold. It will like that lotus,
Speaker 3: it blooms, you know, it blooms in the mud. But
Speaker 3: it's still this, this beautiful inner being, and your spiritual
Speaker 3: faculties will grow. You will have higher levels of awareness,
Speaker 3: you know, and who knows, maybe be able to perceive
Speaker 3: higher worlds. So I'm gonna skip over a little bit
Speaker 3: of this stuff that I've already covered, like anthroposophic medicine
Speaker 3: and agriculture. That's all right, it's not that interesting to me.
Speaker 3: So just a couple of differences between like you know,
Speaker 3: anthroposophy and theosophy. The idea of theosophy is like, for example,
Speaker 3: there's a universal wisdom religion behind all faiths, and there
Speaker 3: is a unity between Eastern and Western esotericism. Fully agree,
Speaker 3: sure fully, it's like hello.
Speaker 2: Because again it's the same thing, it's just accessing it different.
Speaker 3: Ways, right, right, right, what's the what's what's the what's
Speaker 3: the most efficient way, or what's the way that truly
Speaker 3: works for me?
Speaker 2: It's different methods, right, that's all.
Speaker 3: And then the difference there with anthroposophy is it's it's
Speaker 3: seen as a spiritual science to expand your inner perception.
Speaker 3: And it's also bridging the difference, or maybe the difference
Speaker 3: isn't the right word, bridging the gap between the macrocosm
Speaker 3: and the microcosm, and the emphasis is on the fact
Speaker 3: that all of reality itself is evolving. The macrocosm is evolving,
Speaker 3: the microcosm is evolving, our spiritual higher being is evolving,
Speaker 3: the physical earthly plane is evolving. It's all evolving. It's
Speaker 3: all being. Everything is being. The only real thing is being,
Speaker 3: you know, the being the universe, right, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: theosophy says God is impersonal, it's many different masters guiding humanity.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's true, maybe it is. But then anthroposophy says
Speaker 3: Christ is the pivotal personal incarnation of the divine. So
Speaker 3: in other words, this is the dude that came here
Speaker 3: many many, many years ago, and you know, was like
Speaker 3: the godhood reflected into one being and was like peace, motherfuckers,
Speaker 3: I'm out, and I'll do it too. I think that's true,
Speaker 3: But I think the other is true too. I think
Speaker 3: that there are multiple I just think that Christ was
Speaker 3: the most recent one.
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, right, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you think about the most recent
Speaker 3: hit movie you've seen, I can't tell you what it
Speaker 3: is for you, you know, but if you talk to somebody
Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirty about the most recent hit movie
Speaker 3: they saw, maybe it was fucking awesome. Oh but but
Speaker 3: as time evolves in our technology evolves, in our understanding
Speaker 3: of film, and all these things evolved. You know, over time,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have better movies. Yeah, they're gonna leave a
Speaker 3: bigger end. But it's like that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: that's that's what I think about Christ.
Speaker 2: I think it was talking because it's recent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had all the ship that came from
Speaker 3: all the ship before him.
Speaker 2: And we can look at in history, we can look
Speaker 2: at the moments where people were hype on the other incarnations, right,
Speaker 2: it obviously happened.
Speaker 3: Like Plato I think is one of them.
Speaker 2: Ruh. And like there's there's from every mythology, there's always
Speaker 2: in they like share so many details. It's like all
Speaker 2: this it's like the same story.
Speaker 3: I think there's many illumined beings as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: who who have furthered this knowledge for humanity, Like you know, Plato, Pythagoras,
Speaker 3: many of them Aristotle. But I think Jesus did something
Speaker 3: special because he literally went out into the wilderness and
Speaker 3: the government. It was like, holy shit, he has a
Speaker 3: crowd of five thousand people walking around him. That's probably
Speaker 3: really scary. Oh, if you're in a place of power
Speaker 3: and you're looking down out the window of your castle
Speaker 3: and you're like, uh, why is there a mob of
Speaker 3: five thousand people, think about Yeah, he was, he was.
Speaker 3: He was doing something real shit.
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, you know, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Take all the religious you know, angle of it out
Speaker 3: of the way, and just look at the history.
Speaker 2: Like he was.
Speaker 3: He was doing some pretty pretty next level ship you know,
Speaker 3: movie mobs of yes, blowing their minds and waking them up,
Speaker 3: and there was something very real topening. Okay. So then
Speaker 3: as far as like karma and reincarnation, you look at, uh,
Speaker 3: the moral law of cause and effect or it is
Speaker 3: like the soul's cyclical evolution coming from karmen reincarnation, but
Speaker 3: then from the Rudolph Steiner system that was the theosophy system.
Speaker 3: For the Rudolph Seiner system, the difference, for example, is
Speaker 3: more of a Christian lens that's about individual moral freedom.
Speaker 3: I don't really have an opinion on that. I can't
Speaker 3: claim to know the exact science of reincarnation. I just
Speaker 3: believe that it's completely real. Then we have the path
Speaker 3: and knowledge, right Whereas theosophy is about the study of
Speaker 3: the occult script, psychic mediumship, comparing the different religions, great,
Speaker 3: you know, all great stuff. But then where I love
Speaker 3: the Steiner system and is more my speed is the
Speaker 3: inner work, the moral development, the scientific attitude towards attaining
Speaker 3: knowledge of the spiritual worlds. And that inner work is
Speaker 3: in the form of meditation. So whereas it's become so
Speaker 3: basically to boil it all down, Steiner has a whole
Speaker 3: system of like how you meditate again, sound familiar?
Speaker 2: Yes, it does very much.
Speaker 3: So yeah, right, it's you know again, this is not me,
Speaker 3: as somebody who is maybe potentially officially involved with Minroe
Speaker 3: having an opinion. But this is me, as a podcaster
Speaker 3: who likes to talk about comparative mythologies, having an opinion.
Speaker 3: And that's just true.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of overlap.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of overlap between what obvious because Monroe
Speaker 3: has no dogma, right, But they they I don't even
Speaker 3: know if they're aware of all these little things. Sure,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe many of them there are, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: formed with this. I do know that Robert Monroe was
Speaker 3: very interested in Edgar Casey, but he wasn't like studying
Speaker 3: this shit. Sure, it was just happening to him exactly.
Speaker 3: It was just having spontaneous experiences and over time, through
Speaker 3: the scientific process that the institute was formed. And like
Speaker 3: it's it's it's very similar to a lot of this
Speaker 3: kind of you know, Steiner stuff. Obviously without the mystical
Speaker 3: Christian slant, there's no dogma, but of course the protocol,
Speaker 3: the the method of expanding and unfolding your consciousness through
Speaker 3: the inner work, through the meditation, through expanding awareness, it's
Speaker 3: very early similar and very real and experiential. Right. So again,
Speaker 3: the large body of theosophical work came through revelatory channel
Speaker 3: teachings and then through Steiner's methods. That dude was out
Speaker 3: there just meditating and meditating and meditating and going to
Speaker 3: these places, you know, leaving the body or you could say,
Speaker 3: by locating his consciousness, and he was studying these spiritual
Speaker 3: realms of consciousness and coming back with higher knowledge. And
Speaker 3: that's pretty I think we're pretty much at the different
Speaker 3: or at the wrap there of like comparing theosophy and anthroposophy,
Speaker 3: but just to get into a couple of core doctrines
Speaker 3: of anthroposophy to kind of round us out. So we're
Speaker 3: fourfold actually the etheric body, the life body, which is
Speaker 3: the force of life and growth, which is shared with
Speaker 3: plants and animals. The astral body, which is where our emotions, desires,
Speaker 3: and consciousness, which is shared with animals. Obviously, we have
Speaker 3: the physical body material invisible, but then we have the eye,
Speaker 3: ego or self, which is like unique to human beings.
Speaker 3: Animals don't have this, plants don't have this. We have
Speaker 3: this ascended being that has its own individual personality that
Speaker 3: it's seeking to express and that it is evolving. It's
Speaker 3: the ego, the eye, he calls it the eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We have three functional systems, which is the nervous
Speaker 3: sensory system or the thinking head centered related to perception
Speaker 3: and cognition, rhythmic system which is feeling centered in the
Speaker 3: heart and lungs, mediating emotion and balance. And the metabolic
Speaker 3: limb system, which is the willing system or rooted in
Speaker 3: movement and action. And this is how the Steiner system
Speaker 3: believes that the spiritual reality is actually manifesting within us,
Speaker 3: kind of like how you have different ideas chakras and
Speaker 3: energy systems or astra bodies and the way through you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's fascinating. The rhythmic system, that's that's curious.
Speaker 2: Interesting phrasing. Yeah, I just never heard it.
Speaker 3: And it's about feelings, right, I've never.
Speaker 2: Heard it heart phrased like that. That's really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the hearts on our read.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, it's that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: There is a general outline of like the evolution of humanity,
Speaker 3: and this is very very uh concise. I just pulled
Speaker 3: like a lot of different bodies of concise information here,
Speaker 3: but basically in occult science and outline, which is the
Speaker 3: book I mentioned earlier, the Earth is one stage in
Speaker 3: a very long cosmic evolution, preceded by the Old Saturn,
Speaker 3: the Old Sun, and the Old Moon epochs. So there
Speaker 3: were different evolutionary periods of humanity where these different celestial
Speaker 3: bodies were dominant, I guess, And we are evolving through
Speaker 3: cultural epochs like Ancient Indian, Persian, Egyptian, Greco Roman and
Speaker 3: our current epochs. So at these different cultural epochs, the
Speaker 3: the ritual myth system of the time was dominant.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder why Tibet's not on here. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: it's in there. I'm not sure. Because this is a short,
Speaker 3: little concise list. We are now in the fifth epoch.
Speaker 3: According to anthroposophy, that sounds sick developing conscious individual freedom.
Speaker 2: Which part sounds sick? It does?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Or a song
Speaker 3: or an album you know what that sounds like. That
Speaker 3: sounds like U two thousand and nine Christian metalcore album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Skillet.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was thinking, like, you know, some kind of
Speaker 3: like you know, like for today type yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're just like pick sweeping right then? Right then?
Speaker 3: That was today was literally like everyone, Yeah, I still
Speaker 3: love that one. I hear it. Yeah, yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: so common anymore.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. I think I think it was
Speaker 2: a little gimmicky and people were like, hmmm, because it's
Speaker 2: only really applicable. It's it's nerdy guitar stuff. It's like
Speaker 2: such a niche thing that you have to learn how
Speaker 2: to do, and then it's you can only apply it
Speaker 2: that one specific way that it's like when It does
Speaker 2: sound cool.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, nostalgic. Yeah, but so yeah, Christ is like
Speaker 3: the core, this cosmic being or the sun spirit, not
Speaker 3: just son but like s u n And he has
Speaker 3: this concept known as the Mystery of Golgotha, which is
Speaker 3: if you know about gold Gotha, that's where that's the
Speaker 3: place of bones. I'm pretty sure that's where Jesus was crucified.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, let me double check that. So I don't
Speaker 3: sound like an idiot because I hadn't been to church
Speaker 3: in like eight years. Go, I know, I know it's
Speaker 3: either where he was crucified or it's where Judas.
Speaker 2: Was killed in. That sounds like a either Swedish or
Speaker 2: German metal band.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a black metal band, yes, yes, I bet
Speaker 3: it is, as it has to be.
Speaker 2: Also kind of sounds like a Pokemon a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, he was crucified in Goldgtha. It does
Speaker 3: kind of sound like a Pokemon.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you. There's a metal band.
Speaker 2: Called and There they are?
Speaker 3: Oh perfect? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are they they are? They're Spanish melodic doom slash death metal.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that's sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: Now, good for them. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: So the idea is that through the crucifixion, this cosmic being.
Speaker 3: You know, if you look at Jesus the man, the
Speaker 3: historical figure, he's like an avatar. He was, he was
Speaker 3: a person, you know, but there was according to the
Speaker 3: Steiner system, there's this grand cosmic impulse of the divine
Speaker 3: that he became an avatar for that there was some
Speaker 3: greater spirit. See, the church teaches Jesus is God. It's
Speaker 3: three and one. He is God, but he's also Christ.
Speaker 3: But he's also you know, and it's like very confusing,
Speaker 3: and everyone's like nobody gets it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it. No, I really don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to understand this whole thing. But
Speaker 3: like I remember being in church and everybody there's all
Speaker 3: these theories. Man, you google it. Everybody has all these
Speaker 3: different theories about what does it mean? Is he God?
Speaker 3: Is he not? Is was he a man?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: You can't ever say he was a man because he
Speaker 3: was God? Oh wait, but I thought he was born right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: He was born? But you know what I mean. Also,
Speaker 2: when he's getting crucified, he's saying, Father, why have you
Speaker 2: forsaken me? Like why would he be saying that if
Speaker 2: that was him, it's like there's a lot of conceptual inconsistencies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what are we talking about. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: the obvious answer to me is probably because they came
Speaker 3: up with all that dogma later. Yes, you know exactly.
Speaker 3: He was just going through this shit. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: was just talking and then all these years later they
Speaker 3: came up with all these charts and they're like, man,
Speaker 3: how can we really like standardize this and you know,
Speaker 3: make money off this? Simply good, gotta figure out money
Speaker 3: on this. That was so true.
Speaker 2: That's so.
Speaker 3: But I really do think that he was just like
Speaker 3: a guy who came here, and he was he was
Speaker 3: an amazing guy who came here, just like we're sitting
Speaker 3: here talking about Rudolph Steiner, because he figured out all
Speaker 3: this crazy ass ship and and Jesus was one of
Speaker 3: those people and he was like an avatar for some
Speaker 3: really for some really special thing. Yeah, something very real.
Speaker 2: But for sure, I yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: And according to the you know, the the theosophical not
Speaker 3: theosophical the anthrop Damn, that's hard, the anthropersophical system, he
Speaker 3: continues to work in the etheric realm, not just as
Speaker 3: a past historical figure, but as an actual current being. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that the and that we will the second coming of Christ.
Speaker 3: According to this is, that's like a entertainment that we
Speaker 3: will be able to achieve.
Speaker 2: It's like an awakening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like achieving Christ consciousness, right, which fully what I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: avatar state, that's that's another way to explain it. But
Speaker 3: I do believe in the idea of like Christ consciousness,
Speaker 3: Like there's coming a time. And dude, it's like the
Speaker 3: suffering is so fucking great for humanity, Like we do
Speaker 3: need some new thing. We need a new way of thinking,
Speaker 3: a new way of ch It's the only way we'll survive.
Speaker 3: Everyone's killing each other, you know, constantly. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's like that's another thing about the Steiner system too,
Speaker 3: that perpetual positive thinking, you know, manifesting a better reality.
Speaker 3: Initiation three pathways in ancient times to initiation as they
Speaker 3: progressed according to the anthroposophic system, there was the ancient
Speaker 3: Rishis of India, which was you know, yoga. They were
Speaker 3: doing inherently brett you know, breathing exercises, meditation, things like that.
Speaker 3: It was helping people to go out of body and
Speaker 3: have very like expanded experience experiences and yeah, and then
Speaker 3: you had Gnostic Christianity, and then that progressed into Rosicrucianism.
Speaker 3: So according to the Steiner system, this was like the
Speaker 3: pathway of how we changed our methods where we received initiation,
Speaker 3: which was like you know, perceiving higher worlds or going
Speaker 3: out of body or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like the evolution of these paths.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like this, this is something that's been
Speaker 3: going on, and there's probably so many more than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's got to be you know. And if
Speaker 3: you talk to a templar night, they'll say And I
Speaker 3: asked one recently, Scott. I asked him, is it true
Speaker 3: that you guys have certain breathing protocols to go out
Speaker 3: of body? He said yeah. I said, have you done it?
Speaker 3: He said yeah. I was like, okay, cool, No, I
Speaker 3: believe it. I've heard worder shit, I've gone out of body.
Speaker 3: I know my dad went out of body through breathing.
Speaker 3: I saw it. Well, I didn't see the body, but
Speaker 3: I was in the room with him doing the breathing
Speaker 3: and he went out of body. And I'm starting to
Speaker 3: understand that, like this is very real, this is very
Speaker 3: attainable and it's its initiation. It's like, it's not the
Speaker 3: only thing that you need, but this is something that
Speaker 3: is this great primordial secret that has been very carefully guarded,
Speaker 3: and there's all these like secret little rituals that these
Speaker 3: people have had to conceal these methods. But yeah, totally, dude,
Speaker 3: I am now completely convinced that people like the Receis
Speaker 3: of India have probably guided people through so many thousands
Speaker 3: of out of body experiences expanded states of a conscious
Speaker 3: of consciousness, of awareness, whatever, just because through doing specific
Speaker 3: breathing protocols, being aware of certain things while we're doing
Speaker 3: these breathing protocols, it allows you know, spiritual things to
Speaker 3: happen because it's a part of our DNA, it's part
Speaker 3: of our makeup, you know. So I'm going to wrap
Speaker 3: this up here because I feel like I'm hitting a
Speaker 3: lot of the same things. But so here are the
Speaker 3: six basic tenets of like let's just say, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: interested in anthroposophy. How do I apply this to my life?
Speaker 3: How do I, you know, adopt this into my life
Speaker 3: to where I can expand my spiritual faculties. I don't
Speaker 3: want to just read a bunch of freaking books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So the six ideas, the six the six principles like
Speaker 3: cutting right to the to the meat of it all right,
Speaker 3: control of thought, focusing so basically meditation, right, focusing your
Speaker 3: your attention on a simple object, becoming aware of controlling
Speaker 3: your thought, and you can expand on that and whatever
Speaker 3: meditation practice. But he believed it was important to have
Speaker 3: a level of control over your thoughts and your attention
Speaker 3: and your awareness.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The example is like focus on a pencil, or focus
Speaker 3: on an object and just see if you can focus
Speaker 3: your attention on that specifically. I know at Monroe there
Speaker 3: was a research slash experiment that they've done recently. Were
Speaker 3: like this lady Vicky, she's a wonderful human being. She
Speaker 3: was telling me that one thing she had to do
Speaker 3: was stare at a painting for like ten minutes with
Speaker 3: no music or anything. It was or maybe it was twenty.
Speaker 3: It was like stared at it for ten minutes or
Speaker 3: something like that, and then it was like measuring brain
Speaker 3: waves while they're you know, she's staring at this painting,
Speaker 3: no sounds, no guided meditations.
Speaker 2: Just staring at this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just stare at it. And stay focused. Is like
Speaker 3: how long can you state this? What's going on in
Speaker 3: your brain? What are your feelings? Things like that. But
Speaker 3: it's just the idea of you know, if we're doing
Speaker 3: guided meditation or breath work meditation or sound you know,
Speaker 3: like the Monroe method, the Monroe sound on science, all
Speaker 3: of these things can be very very powerful and being
Speaker 3: a tool that helps, you know, take your attention to
Speaker 3: certain places. But it's very difficult to just sit there
Speaker 3: and just like okay and just raw dog it and
Speaker 3: just focus your attention. And Steiner believed it was very
Speaker 3: So Steiner believed it was some level of importance to
Speaker 3: have control over your thoughts. I don't really think it
Speaker 3: matters how you get there. Just get there. You know,
Speaker 3: if you need sounds, if you need certain things, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I mean to do use your tools. Yeah, use the
Speaker 3: tools at your disposal. Control of will. When I read
Speaker 3: this today, I was actually pretty shocked. I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: I've never really thought about it like that, but this
Speaker 3: is very powerful. So having an inherent initiative, so Steiner
Speaker 3: was like, take take an activity every day, something like
Speaker 3: water your plant, uh, you know, whatever it is, exercise
Speaker 3: and do it every day and control your will, you know,
Speaker 3: develop your will, your power, your initiative, and your drive
Speaker 3: to continue to do something every day every day. That's
Speaker 3: probably my biggest struggle in life, having me too, because
Speaker 3: I'm not left brained at all. I'm pretty much only
Speaker 3: right brained. I just recently learned.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like like getting into a routine, it's like impossible,
Speaker 2: very hard not do it. Yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: like putting those limiting myself. I can, but like it is,
Speaker 2: it has traditionally it's a huge.
Speaker 3: Well look, I mean we're both we're both right bringing
Speaker 3: creatives too, so it's like it's a handicap, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like at least knowing that, it's like, okay, well
Speaker 3: now I know my blind spot now I know, now
Speaker 3: I know what you need to work with. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 3: I know my weakness. But I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: That is according to Steiner, you know, having that control
Speaker 3: over your thought, the control over your will, Developing these
Speaker 3: skills will expand your spiritual faculties, balanced emotional state. Think
Speaker 3: like a Jedi. You don't want to have extreme reactions either.
Speaker 3: You want to be balanced. Yeah, you want to be
Speaker 3: like emotionally intelligent, or emotionally stable, or a templar would say,
Speaker 3: this is like walking on water, the the initiation of
Speaker 3: the element of water, where you're beginning to control your emotions.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's kind of an esoteric idea of the
Speaker 3: miracle of walking on water. Well, maybe it was about
Speaker 3: being in control of your emotions. Positivity. This is the
Speaker 3: fourth tenant to expand your you know, your your spiritual faculties.
Speaker 3: Seek the positive or constructive aspects in every situation or person.
Speaker 3: Actively counter your own tendencies towards criticism or negativity. Totally
Speaker 3: agree with that. My dad has taught me that, like
Speaker 3: my whole life, ever since this stuff started happening. It
Speaker 3: just makes sense to me. It's it's you know, and
Speaker 3: we've been on a pretty fucking amazing journey doing this thing,
Speaker 3: and it's like positivity, positive, positive, mental thought positive, you know,
Speaker 3: visualizing positive outcomes, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly it works.
Speaker 3: Open mindedness or impartiality, remain open to new experiences and viewpoints. Is,
Speaker 3: don't have such limiting attachments that we were talking about
Speaker 3: that earlier. You were saying the tradition thing like if
Speaker 3: it's if it's causing you trouble, you know, you're going
Speaker 3: to hurt you, yeah, or viewing it differently. You got
Speaker 3: to be open. You got to be open. You cannot
Speaker 3: be so rigid exactly, You're you're experiencing a very narrow
Speaker 3: window of reality if you're super rigid. Oh yeah, completely agree,
Speaker 3: Completely agree. And then harmony, balance, integrating all of these
Speaker 3: into a balanced routine and a balanced perspective so that
Speaker 3: you have like a very clear and stable progression of
Speaker 3: your thinking, you're feeling, You're willing your your you know,
Speaker 3: your your meditative practice, which will basically lead to the
Speaker 3: expansion of your consciousness. And then I'm sure in his
Speaker 3: books like attainment of higher worlds or it's like a
Speaker 3: knowledge of higher worlds or you know whatever. I am
Speaker 3: almost positive that in these books he details like specific
Speaker 3: meditation exercises. But this is just a wisdom tradition episode,
Speaker 3: you know, episode where we're talking about Rudolph Steiner from
Speaker 3: a philosophical standpoint. Now that we're done with that and
Speaker 3: we're wrapping up, I think, just again we talk about
Speaker 3: the truth and attaching to it like a cloud thing.
Speaker 3: This is all fun and theory, but you really don't
Speaker 3: even need that, you know, you take what works but ultimately,
Speaker 3: just meditation is a powerful tool and skin that cat
Speaker 3: in whatever way it works for you. For me, I
Speaker 3: love them in a real method. I love the sound science.
Speaker 3: I liked the breathing method too, pretty rigorous. I think
Speaker 3: that takes a high level of knowledge, a high level
Speaker 3: of mastery to learn that very intimately and incorporate that,
Speaker 3: you know, that practice into your life. I like the
Speaker 3: efficient method. I'm a busy guy. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I like going to Monroe. They teach me what I
Speaker 3: need to know, and I'm like, great, awesome, this was efficient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like just whatever works for people, you know,
Speaker 3: don't get too hung up in it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of the cool thing about us doing
Speaker 2: this whole series and going over all these different methods
Speaker 2: is it's like it's not like we're going through this
Speaker 2: stuff saying like this shit, every bit of it is true.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, we're going through all of it and
Speaker 2: then you guys can pick out the nuggets that you
Speaker 2: think will work best for you. We can pick out
Speaker 2: the nuggets that we think will work best for us.
Speaker 2: It's like widening our pool so that we have more
Speaker 2: to draw from.
Speaker 3: For me, Also the main reason that I like doing
Speaker 3: this whole Wisdom Tradition series is because I come from
Speaker 3: a background where, like, I've met so many people who
Speaker 3: they find out we're having these paranormal experiences and they're
Speaker 3: like freaked out because they have a specific, rigid belief.
Speaker 3: So my whole thing, we're talking about these soteric systems.
Speaker 3: It's not even about like, oh cool, learn this little practice.
Speaker 3: It's not even about that. For me. It's about exposing
Speaker 3: people to some hidden thing that they probably have never
Speaker 3: heard of, you know, and exposing a lot of these
Speaker 3: little things because I think the more of these things
Speaker 3: you learn, it expands your view of the supernatural, of
Speaker 3: the divine, of you know, reality. You know, the more
Speaker 3: of these things and data points that you learn about,
Speaker 3: I think it's just better off, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really cool perspective too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, I'm out, I'm out, all right, anything
Speaker 3: we gotta hit on the way out.
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