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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Hi, come on and have a seat. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>out here on the West Coast. I'm here in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>We are dealing with high heat this week and it's

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<v Speaker 2>been about it's gonna be one hundred degrees today and

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<v Speaker 2>I am recording this on the first day of October

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, and it's one hundred and two and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the East Bay. I'm over close to where

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<v Speaker 2>Berkeley is. You got San Francisco, you cross over the

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Bridge and you get into Berkeley, Oakland, El Sobrante,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you got me here in El Sobrante in

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<v Speaker 2>the valley, I should say El Sorito and then Elsa Bronte.

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<v Speaker 2>And boy, this is unusual. I think. Right now San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco is experiencing a record heat wave. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else in the country has been baking, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>our turn to bake a little bit. So hey, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Today's interview was interesting. The title of the

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<v Speaker 2>program is The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness AI

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<v Speaker 2>and the New Renaissance, and the author is radio host

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas Grunther and the for those of you in the

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<v Speaker 2>East coast, especially in the Carolina's North Carolina got hammered.

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<v Speaker 2>He's above that somewhere, but the connection kept going out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a strange interview simply because they're still

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with problems there weather conditions. I had a girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina. They were at vacuated. She lived in

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<v Speaker 2>just below Ashville, and they had to be evacuated because

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<v Speaker 2>the roads were out in the water. I guess is

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<v Speaker 2>the water mains are broken. She had no water. She

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<v Speaker 2>was able to text me, so she still got internet connection,

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<v Speaker 2>but she only had water for two days. So Debo,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're doing well. I hope you got yourself

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<v Speaker 2>taking care of. She said that she was gonna fly

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<v Speaker 2>and visit a friend in another part of the state.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you, Helen, this hurricane was devastating, totally

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<v Speaker 2>unlike anything typically that gets up that high, usually their

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<v Speaker 2>category one, but this tornado grew to a category four,

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<v Speaker 2>which is killer level. And I think we're over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dead. They were talking about finding bodies in trees

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<v Speaker 2>and so the water. Oh my god, it's like and

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard this before. They were saying it's over

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<v Speaker 2>a trillion gallons of water fell on North Carolina. Trillion,

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<v Speaker 2>not billion trillion. So that's that's just those are just

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<v Speaker 2>devastating levels of saturation. So watch the main roads. Out

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<v Speaker 2>of course, if the main roads are bad, the small

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<v Speaker 2>roads that aren't necessarily paved are gone, and it's a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a terrible, terrible disaster. So anyhow, our interview today

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<v Speaker 2>was strange because it kept being interrupted and I had

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<v Speaker 2>to edit it down to less than an hour just

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<v Speaker 2>because we wanted to get the thing done. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>the title is The Quantum and the Dream, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is about new well, i should say, reoccurring uses of

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<v Speaker 2>technique to gather and to begin using what our ancestors

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<v Speaker 2>and those of the indigenous people of the Americas and

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous people around the world before the industrial age were using.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where you connect with Earth, you connect

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<v Speaker 2>with Gia, You quiet yourself, you meditate, you intend, I

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<v Speaker 2>intend to connect with the Gaia in my meditation. Or

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<v Speaker 2>you are meditating, or you are doing a sacred practice

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<v Speaker 2>scrying which you're looking at the mirror. You're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>practice that helps you connect with the planet, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are raising your consciousness and We're gonna hear a number

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<v Speaker 2>of terms today, but probably the most interesting is nature intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>the subtle intelligence that our ancestors use. And I see

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<v Speaker 2>this with the Maya. The Maya were so locked in

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<v Speaker 2>with Gaya, with the planet that they developed a science.

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<v Speaker 2>And my belief is that they are from another mother culture.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people, including our own and Barharmed, feels

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<v Speaker 2>that they were not from Atlantis. But again we can't

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<v Speaker 2>use Atlantis as an excuse. I think they had some

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<v Speaker 2>pre destiny with their ancestors. This is the Maya, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they were very much tied into the Earth. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you're tied into the Earth, you're not building nuclear plants,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not building generators. You are tapping into telluric energy fields.

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<v Speaker 2>You're tapping into lay lines. You're using the gravity to

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<v Speaker 2>increase and through your pyramids, you're enhancing t leric energy

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<v Speaker 2>and gravity and you're creating energy fields. Now we learn

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<v Speaker 2>about this through the work of doctor or He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor, but he was a scientist, John Burke, who

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<v Speaker 2>actually tested the frequencies that were out coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>glyphs and these are earthworks, but really most importantly pyramids,

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<v Speaker 2>and he actually went down to Tikal in Guatemala and

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<v Speaker 2>tested a number of pyramids and discovered that the oldest

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<v Speaker 2>pyramids were the ones that were built on these energy centers.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when we see that, we had to rethink

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<v Speaker 2>our beliefs about the Maya. And I also don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that our interpretation of them is correct. Loincloths, savages, those

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<v Speaker 2>are the last generations. Those are the post deluge, post

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic Earth period survivors. So today we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about nature intelligence, how we work with that, and how that,

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<v Speaker 2>along with machine with computer intelligence and human intelligence, will

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<v Speaker 2>usher in an evolution, a new phase of intelligence, a

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<v Speaker 2>new guidance where we're using the right side of our

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<v Speaker 2>brain more than the left. The left side is analytical,

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<v Speaker 2>the right side's creative and intuitive. The right side is

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<v Speaker 2>an intuitive So we're working to have the optimal lifetime

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<v Speaker 2>using intuition. What does I feel like? What should I

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<v Speaker 2>be doing? How do I feel about something? How do

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<v Speaker 2>I feel about this relationship? How do I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>my job? How do I feel about signing a document

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not sure of? How do I feel?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Using intention, using special practices to enhance our intuition, meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>quiet time, tapping into nature, and that's really really critical.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've been talking about biohacking, and I think our

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors did this automatically. This is fasting, This is eating

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<v Speaker 2>only certain types of foods, this is an exercise. This

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<v Speaker 2>is quiet the brain, optimizing the human experience. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you biohack, you leave behind the stress. You make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you get plenty of sleep, you eat optimally, optimally for

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<v Speaker 2>your body. In our case, because we're so stressed out

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<v Speaker 2>and we've been depleted, we're taking nutrients, we're taking vitamins,

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<v Speaker 2>and if we're overweight, we're biohacking by taking ozimbic or

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<v Speaker 2>semic glutides to readjust the system to begin losing fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're overweight, if you're obese, you're struggling, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a bad thing. So, and we're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>in the coming weeks I've talked about this, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a number of physicians that are looking to

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<v Speaker 2>the future and also different kinds of practice. Most notably,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a new term you've may have heard. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>functional medicine. Functional medicine using these various hacks for optimal health,

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<v Speaker 2>not substituting wellness with medicine, with unnecessary surgery and God

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<v Speaker 2>forbid radiation. And some of you have written to me

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, you're being too hard on medicine, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, no, I'm not. They are killing people, they

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<v Speaker 2>are disrupting our lives with drugs which are toxins. They

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<v Speaker 2>just do not get the healing modalities. And more and

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<v Speaker 2>more mds, medical doctors, alla paths are seeing this as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the universities and using their credentials and studying

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<v Speaker 2>and getting additional credentials in functional medicine. So hear that

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<v Speaker 2>term again, functional medicine, and we'll have an expert talking

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<v Speaker 2>to us about what that means, how it's a benefit

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<v Speaker 2>to you, and how you can live a much more

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<v Speaker 2>healthy lifestyle. So today's program is the Quantum and the Dream,

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<v Speaker 2>visionary consciousness, artificial intelligence, and the New Renaissance. And my

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<v Speaker 2>guess is, Douglas Grunther, you probably hear about all these

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<v Speaker 2>amazing locations, these ancient sites we visit on Earth ancients

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<v Speaker 2>and here on Destiny. But I got to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing like being there in person. And we have

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<v Speaker 2>a number of tours that we schedule every year, some

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<v Speaker 2>in far lands like Turkey and Egypt, but some are

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<v Speaker 2>closer to home, like Mexico. And we have a great

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<v Speaker 2>tour coming up in November the sacred Mayan Temples of

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<v Speaker 2>the Yucatan. It's November eighth through the seventeenth of this year,

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<v Speaker 2>one week of intense exploration. This tour is design for

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<v Speaker 2>those of you who really want to connect with these

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<v Speaker 2>ancient places, feel an affinity to the Maya, and just

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<v Speaker 2>want to see a close and personal what a pyramid

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<v Speaker 2>looks like, what it feels like, how you connect with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and the toleric energy. For more information on our upcoming tour,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Earth Ancients dot com, forward Slash Tours and

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<v Speaker 2>look for the banner to Mexico. Got to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be a good one. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>going to Ushmol, chichen Itza, Lobna Sayil, and every place

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<v Speaker 2>we go to. You can connect by sitting, by meditating,

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<v Speaker 2>by connecting with these sacred locations. And there's nothing like

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<v Speaker 2>climbing a Mayan pyramid and sitting at the very top

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<v Speaker 2>and getting bathed in this wonderful energy. Again, come out

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<v Speaker 2>and join us. It's November eight through the seventeenth of

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<v Speaker 2>this year. Go to Earth Ancients dot com, Forward slash

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<v Speaker 2>tours and get all the information. It's fun speaking to

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<v Speaker 2>an ally. Someone else who is also a host. My

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<v Speaker 2>guest today is Douglas Grunther. He has written a new

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<v Speaker 2>book called The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness, AI

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<v Speaker 2>and the New Renaissance, and I gotta tell you it's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting. He this this His program is called Woodstock Roundtable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an award winning radio talk show and it covers philosophy, depth, psychology,

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<v Speaker 2>and spiritual insight. That's a good fit for Destiny simply

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<v Speaker 2>because it kind of parallels what we do here on

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<v Speaker 2>the program. But the reason I'm having Doug on the

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<v Speaker 2>program is that this book talks about three types of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>which we're going to talk about today. But not only

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<v Speaker 2>that gives us a sense of where we're going. And

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<v Speaker 2>we have a number of people on this show all

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<v Speaker 2>the time who are like, Okay, I meditate, I see

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<v Speaker 2>the world differently. But meditation is just one avenue. So

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<v Speaker 2>we want to learn more about exactly what this book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Quantum and the Dream is all about. So hey, Doug,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a great to deal with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you located?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you coming from? I'm in Kingston, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Moved up to Witchstock, New York about forty five years

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<v Speaker 1>ago to help start the witch Radio station. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe Woodstock and you didn't have a radio station. But

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<v Speaker 1>through a synchronicity, which is of course my book is

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<v Speaker 1>based on a synchronicity, historic synchronicity, but due to a

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<v Speaker 1>personal synchronicity we might have time to get into. I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to move from New York City up to

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<v Speaker 1>Woodstock to help create the station. I now just do

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<v Speaker 1>a talk show, and I've been doing it for forty

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<v Speaker 1>four and a half years, and I'm gonna keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>it till I get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. So you're a radio man. You started what in

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<v Speaker 2>college and then you just kept going and developed your

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<v Speaker 2>own program after so many years?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what? Yeah, I was. I was intrigued with radio

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, and then when I went

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<v Speaker 1>their the college station there, and when I graduated, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really have a doorway into New York radio, which

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<v Speaker 1>is tough to break into. So I taught tennis, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a good way to make some money, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kept my eyes and ears open for radio opportunity. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm telling you is what happened. It's called the synchronicity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get into it. I was living in the

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting, and by the way, that's fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>how the station has evolved in your connection to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I find it fun that you are dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>some of the developments in terms of understanding how we

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<v Speaker 2>as a species are evolving. And that's my primary interest

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<v Speaker 2>in having you. What inspired you to write this book?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it the fact that you were interviewing these individuals

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it really started when people ask how long

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<v Speaker 1>to take you to write the book? Well, a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half to actually write it, seven years if

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<v Speaker 1>you count the the salons that I gave talks at

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<v Speaker 1>I developed some of these themes. But it's really fifty

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<v Speaker 1>And one that jumped out was by Marshall mccluan called

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<v Speaker 1>the second thought was, I have no idea what he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty first century. Mcclullan died in nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>the visionaries that I talked about in the second section

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<v Speaker 1>of my book, which talks about the shift and consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>that happens when we orient ourselves from the printed page

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<v Speaker 1>us more about how our minds unconsciously get rewired with

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first one to really call attention to this,

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<v Speaker 1>figures in my book. I love that, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading up about your about your podcast, you

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<v Speaker 1>description of your show with the next stage in evolution,

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<v Speaker 1>And to me that really that really gets it. That

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we want to pick out the wisdom of

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<v Speaker 1>same dynamics that led to the Italian Renaissance. And what

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<v Speaker 1>we were taught about the Italian Renaissance in schools is

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<v Speaker 1>Chapel and the Statue of David, which were magnificent, but

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<v Speaker 1>devastation of the Black plague. It was on its way

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<v Speaker 1>of what we completely call climate change, global warming, and

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot more anxiety. But during the Italian Renaissance,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the anxiety around the Black Plague that really

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<v Speaker 1>helps stimulate the leap forward. And uh, let me make

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<v Speaker 2>So this renaissance that you're suggesting had and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing in your book, you talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>left brain and right brain. The left brain is verbal, analytical. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a digital brain, and then the right brain is intuitive, visual,

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<v Speaker 2>and the creative brain. You're you're you're hinting that the

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<v Speaker 1>Uh okay, yeah, you put your finger on another crucial piece.

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<v Speaker 1>The other version. Another visionary is someone who's a contemporary.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Ian McGilchrist. I'm encouraged that his books,

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<v Speaker 1>his two books, which are incredibly complex, beautifully researched, and

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<v Speaker 1>The Master and his emissary, which was the key to

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding, has over seventeen hundred footnotes. So this guy

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<v Speaker 1>That's their nourishment. So it has to be highly focused

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<v Speaker 1>of our brain. Both hemispheres can be created, both hemispheres

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<v Speaker 1>can be logical, but the left hemisphere can only understand

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that important for a robin, Because if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in our case, our culture, Western culture for hundreds of years,

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<v Speaker 1>But by ignoring the right hemisphere, which gives us the

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<v Speaker 1>And so we need to shift to the right hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Because technology is not going to solve all of the

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<v Speaker 1>required as a shift in consciousness, and that's probably always

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<v Speaker 1>And in the Italian Renaissance, a philosophy called humanism flourished,

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<v Speaker 1>which celebrated the individual human mind, that individuals were here

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pointing to three shifts in consciousness. One is to

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about. The second is the shift of the

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<v Speaker 1>Clip five and a half billion of us have our

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<v Speaker 1>the main reason that we human are the most intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>species on this planet. That was the theme of the

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<v Speaker 1>very successful book Sapiens by u Will Noah Harari. Without collaboration,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't be here. But unfortunately, ours our culture celebrates

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<v Speaker 1>competition over collaboration. But if you look at evolution from

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<v Speaker 2>This revolution that you write about is this artificial intelligence?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that part of the revolution where we use computer

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<v Speaker 2>uh learning or actually you talk about the three levels

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<v Speaker 2>of intelligence human intelligence, computer intelligence which is machine learning,

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<v Speaker 2>and AI and nature intelligence. Does this make up the

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<v Speaker 2>components for the revolution, for the renaissance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. See, for the first time in evolution. The unique

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<v Speaker 1>the three, Nature's intelligence. Here's a real practical example. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties, we Americans bragged understandably about the construction

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<v Speaker 1>of the Hoover Dam, this huge, magnificent technology. Well, where

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<v Speaker 1>We learn from nature. We're part of nature. Unfortunately, the

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<v Speaker 1>left hemisphere of our brain sees us as apart from

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<v Speaker 1>like our technologies which make our lives more comfortable. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But in fact, as spiritual explorers know, and as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you're the followers of your podcast, no, we are

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<v Speaker 1>not separate from nature. We were born out of Nature's intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty first century is that evolution has given

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<v Speaker 1>we're required now to steer these three forms of intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>how to use them in the most appropriate and effective ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And my book points to many of the visionaries over

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we know about human intelligence, we developed and

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<v Speaker 2>What is the definition of nature's intelligence?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the most important thing that I learned

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<v Speaker 1>in writing this book. I knew what the first section

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be because I was fascinated with left

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<v Speaker 1>and right hemisphere of the brain for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what the second section was going to because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been fascinated by mccluan and how the human brain

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<v Speaker 1>adapts to new technologies. I didn't quite like I'd labeled

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<v Speaker 1>the third shift in consciousness to shift from the age

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<v Speaker 1>of information to the age of recognition. And what we

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<v Speaker 1>need to recognize is nature's intelligence and our connection to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the woman's visionary that really sealed the deal for

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<v Speaker 1>me was Lynn mar Goudlis, who's not a very well

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<v Speaker 1>known name she should be Lynn Mark. Goulis married Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Sagan when she was a young teenager. They ended up divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>had a son who she collaborated with the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her life. She was a brilliant woman who was getting

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<v Speaker 1>her PhD during the nineteen sixties when it was unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman to do that. So she was getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of flak about being a woman in a

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<v Speaker 1>man's world. Not only that, but she loved men, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, they're not going to stop me. She also

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<v Speaker 1>had a theory that she was determined to prove that

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<v Speaker 1>was considered controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>She proved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what she proved that if you study ancient microbes,

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<v Speaker 1>they learned how to collaborate, not with brains, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have individual brains, just through a process called self organization.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look on the surface of what microbes do,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a eat or be eaten world, right. They're constantly

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<v Speaker 1>competing against each other for territory and food. They'll eat

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<v Speaker 1>each other they have to be avoid being eaten. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you look under the surface, as she did, she

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who proved that it was these microbes

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<v Speaker 1>who figured out photosynthesis, and photosynthesis is the most important

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<v Speaker 1>technology that was ever invented on this planet, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was microbes that came up with it. As your listeners know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's photosynthesis that creates a perfect relationship between plants and

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<v Speaker 1>animals such as ourselves. Plants, in order to survive, take

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<v Speaker 1>sunlight and carbon dioxide converted into sugars. That's how they survive.

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<v Speaker 1>But it produces oxygen, which is toxic to plants. So

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<v Speaker 1>what do they do. They excrete it out in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>We need that oxygen, we take that oxygen in. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to get rid of carbon dioxide. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect what they call symbiotic relationship that we get from

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<v Speaker 1>plants that we need. Plants get from us what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lynn Margulis proved that it was microbe, well before

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<v Speaker 1>plants ever existed on this planet, that figured out photosynthesis,

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<v Speaker 1>and over millions of years, these little tiny micros, by

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<v Speaker 1>the trillions, were excreted enough oxygen in the air such

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<v Speaker 1>that the whole atmosphere of the Earth became hospitable to insects, bird, reptiles,

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<v Speaker 1>mammals and eventually us. So again it's proving that collaboration

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<v Speaker 1>is the is the main engine of evolution. Here on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet, and here we are talking to each other, Cliff,

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<v Speaker 1>on a world wide web where not only can we

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the people around the world, but the smartphones

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<v Speaker 1>that we have in our pockets are a million times

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful than the bank of computers that landed the

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<v Speaker 1>first person on the moon. So if we can't kicking

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<v Speaker 1>and screaming with all the noise of the web and

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<v Speaker 1>all the addictive properties of the web and all the

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<v Speaker 1>beta doctors on the web, that's all has been true.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can't with five and a half connected the

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<v Speaker 1>way we are through a world wide web, with the

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom that we can on with our smartphones or on

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<v Speaker 1>our laptops, and I know Alligien wisdom in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>Expand a little bit on nature minutes away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, expand if you would please more on the the

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<v Speaker 2>nature's intelligence. Because our ancestors and also people like the

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<v Speaker 2>Maya and Native American had traditions of not only sanctifying Gaya,

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth, but also working with the intelligence of the water,

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<v Speaker 2>of the fire, of the earth, of the wind, the

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<v Speaker 2>four directions. And this was a teacher for these native people,

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<v Speaker 2>these indigenous people. What have you found in the people

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<v Speaker 2>that you have on your program is the evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>working with nature and it's innate intelligence to help us evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that excellent question ties right into why my book

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<v Speaker 1>is called The Quantum and the Dream. I'm not a scientist,

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<v Speaker 1>so my interest in quantum are the psychological and spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>and philosophical implications of quantum theory. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that four of the key founders of quantum theory, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them received Nobel Prizes, were totally fascinated by, interested

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<v Speaker 1>in and knowledgeable about ancient Eastern primarily spiritual wisdom. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you an example. The father of quantum theory

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<v Speaker 1>was Niels Boor, who famously out debated Einstein. THAT'SAWE conferences,

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<v Speaker 1>and Niels Boor was kind of the ringleader of the

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<v Speaker 1>quantum group. And quantum uh physics is the most successful

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<v Speaker 1>scientific theory ever developed. And it's the reason you and

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<v Speaker 1>I can talk over the World Wide Web right now. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when Nils Boor was knighted by the King of Denmark,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the perks was he got to create his

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<v Speaker 1>own coat of arms. He chose as the symbol for

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<v Speaker 1>his coat of arms the yin Young, symbol of the

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<v Speaker 1>doubt of the doo you're you know, the circle that's

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<v Speaker 1>divided into black and white, with a spiral connecting them

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<v Speaker 1>in a little white dot in the black area black.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an ancient that that talks about flo Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>which sees the universe not as a series of objects,

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<v Speaker 1>but a con in celebration of his being knighted for

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<v Speaker 1>his word and without example, in constant conversation with Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Jung a big part of my book, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>most influential psychiath century and ull And they spent two

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<v Speaker 1>decades convinced that there was a doorway, a connection between

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<v Speaker 1>the unconscious mind and the quantum realm of existence. And

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't prove it, but they were both convinced of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you read the Doubt Chain, or if you

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<v Speaker 1>read Buddhist texts or Hindu text or Native American texts,

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<v Speaker 1>you see some of these same kind of sensitivities to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's there is no block or barrier

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<v Speaker 1>between the inner mind and the outer world.

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<v Speaker 2>What should we be doing in connecting with nature to

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<v Speaker 2>us as an individual, to further our evolution and perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>our consciousness? Why? Because I see a big disconnect with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who don't really want to go

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<v Speaker 2>for a walk or want to connect with nation. But

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<v Speaker 2>what would be your suggestions?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, two of the smartest people I researched both came

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<v Speaker 1>up with I thought a good example the irony that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in in the twenty first century. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's studied zen or Answent knows that paradoxes are

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<v Speaker 1>not considered problems. They're considered opportunities to expand our mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in an interesting paradox at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>that our brains are being better up by the computer

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<v Speaker 1>screen and we have to speed our brains up to matchitation,

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<v Speaker 1>thought experiments, etc. Soally really needed both of those talents.

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<v Speaker 1>But we need to react brains around the world, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's sitting down and slowing down the brainwaves to go

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<v Speaker 1>from what's called the beta alpha state into the alpha state,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the flow state. When we're dreaming, we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the theta brandwith just even deeper. Only the only the

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<v Speaker 1>most proficient meditators have ever been to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the theta is so interesting and informative, And

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<v Speaker 1>so to answer your question, I think we all have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of find our own individual path into nature's ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But there I point to many of them in my book,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've been handed down to us. Dream work and

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<v Speaker 1>I talk a lot about that. I'm sure of futen dreamwork, meditation, contemplation, fraud, experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>I get. I offer thought experiments in the book and

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<v Speaker 1>encourage people to do them, creative visualization, share your dreams

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody, share your intuitive insights with somebody. And took

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<v Speaker 1>note of synchronicities. My book is based on an historic synchronicity.

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<v Speaker 1>Synchronicities are two or more events which clearly didn't cause

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<v Speaker 1>each other, but are too meaningfully connected to to be

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<v Speaker 1>a coincident. And the more we share these things, and

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<v Speaker 1>now there are websites that are sharing these things, we

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the connection we need. But we have

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<v Speaker 1>to get through all of the noise, the trinkets, the

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<v Speaker 1>advertisers trying to get us to buy stuff we don't need,

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<v Speaker 1>the bad actors, and we have to get to that

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<v Speaker 1>part of the web where there are people right now

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<v Speaker 1>talking like we are about these things. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>always obvious because a lot of it is a process

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<v Speaker 1>called self organization, where it's happening beyond the awareness of us.

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<v Speaker 1>As individuals. But the more you tap into these things,

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<v Speaker 1>you see them happening in the world wide web.

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<v Speaker 2>You refer to Sigmund Freud's work on dreams. Why are

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<v Speaker 2>dreams really critical to be aware of and to perhaps analyze?

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<v Speaker 1>In my book The Quantum and the Dream, I talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how Freud's publication of the interpretation of dreams in

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<v Speaker 1>the first year of the Modern Age nineteen hundred changed

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century culture, as did Max Planck's discovery of the

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<v Speaker 1>quantum the same year. But I'm going to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up to my two dream teachers that I learned from

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<v Speaker 1>to answer your question why dreams are important. Jeremy Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>was my main dream teacher. He was a beautiful spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent fifty years teaching dreams around the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of his favorite statements was, there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a bad dream. All dreams come in the service

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<v Speaker 1>of health and wholeness, including the nightmares. And so, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of us would intuitively say, if we

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<v Speaker 1>have a nightmare, we want to forget about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>our nightmares often have the most information for us if

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<v Speaker 1>we're willing to meet them. They're not come to make

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<v Speaker 1>us feel bad. They're coming to wake us up, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a zend master, you know, splashing water in

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<v Speaker 1>our face when we ask a rational question. I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>happy to give an example. It was my dream teacher's

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<v Speaker 1>favorite example of a nightmare that changed history. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>give it to you? Yeah? Yeah. So in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century a lot of the top engineers in England

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<v Speaker 1>were working on an efficient selling machine. They couldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get it efficient, and one of those was Elias Howe,

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<v Speaker 1>and like everyone else, he couldn't get it to work properly.

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<v Speaker 1>He fell asleep one night and had the following horrific nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>He's being chased by cannibals in a jungle. They capture him,

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<v Speaker 1>they tie his hands behind his back. They bring him

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<v Speaker 1>back to the village and put him in a big

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<v Speaker 1>pot of water and put a fire under it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's literally boiling. But he realizes that as the water

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<v Speaker 1>is getting hotter, it's loosening the ropes keeping his hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and when he's able to free his hands, he grabs

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the of the pot to get out

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<v Speaker 1>the cauldron, and the cannibals push their spears into his

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<v Speaker 1>chest and push him back in and then he grabs

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<v Speaker 1>another part to try to get out, and the spear

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<v Speaker 1>goes in his chest and pushes him back in, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wakes up in a total sweat. So no order

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<v Speaker 1>to get propsiking.

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<v Speaker 2>So he said, what the heck?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes into his home laboratory. He refigures the gear

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<v Speaker 1>system so that the thread goes through a hole near

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<v Speaker 1>the point, and he invented the first efficient selling machine. So, Cliff,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fair to say that you and I and all

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<v Speaker 1>of your listeners who are in close right now are

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<v Speaker 1>a debt of gratitude to that nightmare of Elias.

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<v Speaker 2>How we're going to take a short commercial break to

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<v Speaker 2>allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return

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<v Speaker 2>shortly with my guest today, Douglas Grunther, discussing his new book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Quantum and the Dream. Will be right back. My

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<v Speaker 2>guest today is author Douglas Grunther, who has written a

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<v Speaker 2>new book called The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>and Audio, Official Intelligence and the New Renaissance. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>discussing what the evolution of consciousness is beginning to look like.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying that we need to pay more attention

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<v Speaker 2>to our dreams because they are could be leading us

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<v Speaker 2>to a better life, answering more questions that we are

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<v Speaker 2>curious about. And uh, it's a it's an important part

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<v Speaker 2>of consciousness that we're not that the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>are not paying enough attention to.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I would say is, I mean, my I

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<v Speaker 1>love dreams. But okay, we talked about left and right hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>This all gets connected because we now know through MRI

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<v Speaker 1>and EEG machines that when we dream, this information coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the unconscious just coming to I would say, give

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<v Speaker 1>us a bigger picture of who we are individually and collectively.

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<v Speaker 1>And we need a bigger picture right now because that's

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<v Speaker 1>whatever seeks it seeks. It seeks novelty and more complex

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<v Speaker 1>forms of collaboration. We now have a world wide web

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<v Speaker 1>for that, but we have to expand our consciousness to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to use it most effectively. We now

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<v Speaker 1>know that that information when we dream comes through into

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<v Speaker 1>the right hemisphere of the brain. Why because it's our

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<v Speaker 1>right hemisphere that is wired to deal with mystery, expansiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>new visions, and uncertainty. It's the left hemisphere that can

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<v Speaker 1>only operate when it feels it can get a very

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<v Speaker 1>clear certain answer, and as your listeners will know, the

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<v Speaker 1>big questions in life, including many of the questions we're

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<v Speaker 1>facing now in the twenty first century, don't have clear

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<v Speaker 1>certain answers. We need to expand are the way we

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<v Speaker 1>think about things in order to arrive at them, and

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<v Speaker 1>our dreams are one of the best ways to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are other ways. When Albert Einstein discovered the

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<v Speaker 1>theory of relativity, he wasn't working like his colleagues in

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<v Speaker 1>a sophisticated laboratory. He wasn't working at a university. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't admitted into an advanced studies but he did thought experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>His knew the unusual, the mystical, what we don't go

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<v Speaker 1>in knowing about, and what we can never be certain about.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can use our intuitions and our imagination to

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<v Speaker 1>get to and our culture has been primarily in our

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<v Speaker 1>educational system is focused on rationality and logic. They have

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<v Speaker 1>their place, but guess what. AI computers are better at

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<v Speaker 1>finding information, putting it together in a concise form, and

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<v Speaker 1>analyzing it. Computers are already better at that than we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We're needed for the right hemisphere work that computers can't do,

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<v Speaker 1>which are leaps of imagination. What separates us from computers

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<v Speaker 1>as we are sentient, that means we feel emotion. Computers

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<v Speaker 1>can imitate emotions, but they can't feel emotions. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>the right hemisphere of our brains that are wired. If

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<v Speaker 1>we do it right, we'll we'll go to the right hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>About computers do the left hemisphere work because they're already

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<v Speaker 1>better at us than us. And that's why in my

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<v Speaker 1>book I call for human intelligence plus computer intelligence plus

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<v Speaker 1>nature's intelligence gets us to the next renaissance. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the fear about computers is we're gonna have to compete

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<v Speaker 1>against them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cyboards, the the totals again. Yeah, the AI is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be over running ass, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>God.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, when you start talking too much right hemisphere,

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<v Speaker 1>the cultures get a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have this problem. Typically, I'm thinking that you

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<v Speaker 2>got some residual storm damage to your internet.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't, I mean I have I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh out the proper wiring, et cetera. But we're back, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me follow up. Uh, you actually write

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<v Speaker 2>in your book about using chat gb PT on your program,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll ask it a question and then kind of discuss

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<v Speaker 2>it on your show, talk about that and what the

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<v Speaker 2>significance is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. So these chat

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<v Speaker 1>bots are amazing. You can ask it a question and

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<v Speaker 1>it will. You could say, okay, compose a ten page

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<v Speaker 1>essay on the connection between the Italian Renaissance and the

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<v Speaker 1>time we're living here in the twenty first century, and

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<v Speaker 1>in a matter of seconds, it'll do it. It'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty intelligent ten page paper. So what I did

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<v Speaker 1>was I asked it to do like write two power that.

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<v Speaker 1>The chatbot can do what it does so quickly and intelligently,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really flow. And I said, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>watch this. Computers can not be mystical and virtual. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not programmed. They don't have the kid that's our job.

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<v Speaker 1>So chatbots are great because they can give us information quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I point out, the third shift in my

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<v Speaker 1>book is from the age of information to the age

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<v Speaker 1>of recognition. We have all the information we need, or

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<v Speaker 1>we have access yes to all the information we need.

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<v Speaker 1>As I point out, our smartphones in our laptops or

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<v Speaker 1>a million times more powerful than the bank of computers

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<v Speaker 1>that landed the first person on the Moon. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>lack of information, it's lack of insight. That's our job

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<v Speaker 1>as humans. What does insight mean? To cite in And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the analogies I show is the Italian Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>was kickstarted in a large part by Galileo peering out

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<v Speaker 1>into his telescope to the heavens and seeing for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time that the Earth is not the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. That we'll want a number of planets circular,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and create science, which was a whole new

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<v Speaker 1>way of looking in the twenty first century. I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one sigma fort Pobaloleos telescope and point it inward

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<v Speaker 1>to our unconscious and the creative levels of our minds

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<v Speaker 1>that the ancient narratives and Eastern spiritual teachers were very

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<v Speaker 1>in tune with, as you point out, which is why,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out on your website, there's a good

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<v Speaker 1>deal of wisdom that has been handed down from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>The next stage in evolution is to take it and

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<v Speaker 1>move it forward. So we need to take that telescope

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<v Speaker 1>that looks out and turn it around and focus more

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<v Speaker 1>on what's going on in our inner life, in the

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<v Speaker 1>inner part of the human psyche. And that was the

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<v Speaker 1>work of Carl Jung, and that was the fascination of

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<v Speaker 1>the quantum theorists who were all interested in that inner work.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what Einstein did when he did thought experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Einstein is quoted as saying his entire

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<v Speaker 1>career was based on a dream he had when he

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<v Speaker 1>was eleven years old. Put down that dream, and I

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<v Speaker 1>discussed that in my book, The Quantum and the Dream.

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<v Speaker 1>So the evidence is there. Logic and rationality have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>us a long way, but we're now more needed for intuition, inspiration, imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>creative visualization. These are the tools of the right hemisphere

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<v Speaker 1>and the computer screen. The digital screen, if we use

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<v Speaker 1>it correctly, can enhance it. And I'll give you an example.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a thought experiment. Let's say you and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to learn more about Saturn's rings. We could go

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<v Speaker 1>to a library, and because of the Dewey decimal system,

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<v Speaker 1>which is left hemisphere organization, we know with certainty we

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<v Speaker 1>can go to the science section, astronomy section, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the astronomy section, we're going to find books on Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>Right if we want to find out if there was

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<v Speaker 1>ever an advertising campaign just on the print and ask

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<v Speaker 1>us as advertising, and I'd be willing to bet you

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<v Speaker 1>there would be. That was a right hemisphrarean fine? But

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<v Speaker 1>I found them in five seconds through my search engine

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<v Speaker 1>on the digital screen. That's the kind of power that's

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<v Speaker 1>potentially available to us if we use it correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>So give us a sense of what the future looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to have a different education system or

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<v Speaker 2>not so reliant on memorization. Maybe we're looking at classes

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<v Speaker 2>and intuition, meditative states and using the higher functions of

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<v Speaker 2>the brain. Give us a sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. One of the things I wrote about my book

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<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting to write about for about fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>I was coming back from my first semester in college,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I looked in suburbs of New Jersey. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to school at Columbia in New York City, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was about fifteen minutes from home. And as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>driving home, I happened to pass by the grade school

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<v Speaker 1>I went to, and I stopped and I had one

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<v Speaker 1>of those aha moments. I looked at this brick building,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of brick school that we still see all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place today. Right, two stories, very linear, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went, oh my god, it's a factory. And I

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<v Speaker 1>did a little research. It looks like a factory. That's intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>The school system we still have here in the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>first century in the United States is based on a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century Russian model that was meant for the industrial age.

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<v Speaker 1>The school systems were set up as factories because they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to teach people to be good factory workers. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>think of how we were educated. We were rewarded for

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<v Speaker 1>working memory. If they gave us something, we had to

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<v Speaker 1>learn it, memorize it, and feed it back. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>working memory. Well, computers can do that better than we

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<v Speaker 1>can by far. What's going to change. What has to

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<v Speaker 1>change is the fact that our educational system, kicking and

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<v Speaker 1>screaming kids and parents are not going to be satisfied

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<v Speaker 1>with sitting in a factory modeled school classroom for seven hours,

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<v Speaker 1>being forced to memorize stuff and regurgitate it back when

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<v Speaker 1>in their pockets is a smartphone giving them access to

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting things on the planet. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to see is an integration of homeschooling

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<v Speaker 1>and public schooling where small groups meet, parents are involved.

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<v Speaker 1>They meet in places where there's a big digital screen

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<v Speaker 1>where they can access something really fascinating, and kids are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be taught that with the digital screen they

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<v Speaker 1>can pursue their greatest interest. The word education clip has

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting derivation. It comes from the Latin word edukara,

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<v Speaker 1>which means to draw out our educational system. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you would agree is about thing in you have to

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<v Speaker 1>take what they give you and give it back to

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<v Speaker 1>them in a way that they is appropriate a true

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<v Speaker 1>educational system. And there are some examples. There's Waldorf school

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<v Speaker 1>calls and some interesting creative systems out there, not not

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<v Speaker 1>enough of them where the purpose is to draw out

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<v Speaker 1>of So for example, I didn't like bedding average compares

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<v Speaker 1>to other batting averages from the past and the present,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would have done the math. Happily, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see more of that. We're going to see education

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<v Speaker 1>slowly but surely go to the root meaning of the word,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to draw out of each of us what

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<v Speaker 1>is of interest, rather than stuff into it something that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to repeat in order to get a good

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<v Speaker 1>grade and the digital screen gives all of us right

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<v Speaker 1>now as adults, because I think we're on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>here to learn. We should always be learning, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait every day to get on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>screen and figure something interesting to find out about and

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<v Speaker 1>pursue it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why there's a huge addiction for TikTok and UH

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and all these other channels. The books called The

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<v Speaker 2>Quantum and the Dream, Visionary, Visionary Consciousness AI and the

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<v Speaker 2>New Renaissance. My guest today has been Douglas Grunther Well,

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<v Speaker 2>who's this book for?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And who did you target this for?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Thanks for asking, because a phrase came to me yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the right hemisphere of the brain is the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate playground round for interesting ideas and new visions. Our

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<v Speaker 1>dreams love to play with us. Uh, even even the

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<v Speaker 1>tricky ones, the the horrifying ones, the confusing ones. Their

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<v Speaker 1>find the same He never could find a pair of

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<v Speaker 1>socks that matched. The right hemisphere is the part of

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<v Speaker 1>our brain wired to play with interesting ideas, to develop

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<v Speaker 1>new ways of steeing ourselves in the world. So my

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<v Speaker 1>book is for people who want to start accessing that

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<v Speaker 1>that part of their brain which evolution gave to us

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<v Speaker 1>to both be more playful, more insightful, and to get

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<v Speaker 1>a better sense of how we connect to each other

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<v Speaker 1>and to nature. Yes, a lot of life is competition.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still fighting too many wars, but underneath that is

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<v Speaker 1>a drive towards more interesting ways to collaborate with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>to brainstorm with each other. And we now have technology

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<v Speaker 1>that makes that more possible than any time in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>It's our job to use it effectively, creatively and to

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<v Speaker 1>help bring about the next renaissance.

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<v Speaker 2>So the book's called The Quantum and the Dream, and

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<v Speaker 2>my guess it has been Douglas Grunther and he can.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get the book now, just came out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>available on Amazon, give us your website.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Douglas Grunter dot com, Barnes and Noble. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be ordered at pretty much any bookstore. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and uh, I appreciate your show, Cliff, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the same we're in the same wavelength. We

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<v Speaker 1>believe there is the next stage and evolution, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of it to get there is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be that you know what we we have to we

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<v Speaker 1>have to have as good a time as we can

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<v Speaker 1>do in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Hey, Doug, much success on this new book,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for joining me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate being a guest on on your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's bring about the next renaissance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, all right, cheers, thank you. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>good mercils in that interview. Unfortunately we had to cut

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<v Speaker 2>it short. We lost our connection and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>really a challenge to do any kind of internet work

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and we do typically we do zoom in

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<v Speaker 2>our interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And his book just came out. It's The Quantum and

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<v Speaker 2>the Dream Douglas Grunther. You can see it on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's available right now and it's got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>good material in it, so check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>We have one last tour this year. It's our Sacred

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<v Speaker 2>Temples of Mexico. It's coming up November eighth through the seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just about ready to cut off the registrations, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to join us to go to earth

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients dot com forward slash tours. If you're heard in

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<v Speaker 2>that interview, we are talking about ancient wisdom and traditions

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to Mexico, specifically the Yucatan portion of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>it is just covered with unique ruins. Most people know

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<v Speaker 2>about the chichen Itza or Coba or Tuloom. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>stay on the Meredith side, which is on the west side,

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<v Speaker 2>and the temples and the pyramids there are much more spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. You can go see Ushmol. You can see Ekbalam,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really a very very ancient site, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the Puk Trail which contains Sail Labna, and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of other sites that we haven't seen in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information on all of our tours, including this

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<v Speaker 2>tour coming up in November, go to Earthacients dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>forward slash Tours and check it out. All right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>it for this program. I want to think my guest

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<v Speaker 2>today Douglas Grunther and his new book, The Quantum and

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<v Speaker 2>the and the Dream. As always, the team of Gail Tour,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys rock. All right, take care here, be well, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk to you next time. Everybody's not