Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: Hey, Hi, come on and have a seat. Let's talk
Speaker 2: out here on the West Coast. I'm here in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: We are dealing with high heat this week and it's
Speaker 2: been about it's gonna be one hundred degrees today and
Speaker 2: I am recording this on the first day of October
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and it's one hundred and two and
Speaker 2: I'm in the East Bay. I'm over close to where
Speaker 2: Berkeley is. You got San Francisco, you cross over the
Speaker 2: Bay Bridge and you get into Berkeley, Oakland, El Sobrante,
Speaker 2: and then you got me here in El Sobrante in
Speaker 2: the valley, I should say El Sorito and then Elsa Bronte.
Speaker 2: And boy, this is unusual. I think. Right now San
Speaker 2: Francisco is experiencing a record heat wave. So you know,
Speaker 2: everyone else in the country has been baking, and it's
Speaker 2: our turn to bake a little bit. So hey, welcome
Speaker 2: to it. Today's interview was interesting. The title of the
Speaker 2: program is The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness AI
Speaker 2: and the New Renaissance, and the author is radio host
Speaker 2: Douglas Grunther and the for those of you in the
Speaker 2: East coast, especially in the Carolina's North Carolina got hammered.
Speaker 2: He's above that somewhere, but the connection kept going out.
Speaker 2: And it was a strange interview simply because they're still
Speaker 2: dealing with problems there weather conditions. I had a girlfriend
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. They were at vacuated. She lived in
Speaker 2: just below Ashville, and they had to be evacuated because
Speaker 2: the roads were out in the water. I guess is
Speaker 2: the water mains are broken. She had no water. She
Speaker 2: was able to text me, so she still got internet connection,
Speaker 2: but she only had water for two days. So Debo,
Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. I hope you got yourself
Speaker 2: taking care of. She said that she was gonna fly
Speaker 2: and visit a friend in another part of the state.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, Helen, this hurricane was devastating, totally
Speaker 2: unlike anything typically that gets up that high, usually their
Speaker 2: category one, but this tornado grew to a category four,
Speaker 2: which is killer level. And I think we're over one
Speaker 2: hundred dead. They were talking about finding bodies in trees
Speaker 2: and so the water. Oh my god, it's like and
Speaker 2: I've never heard this before. They were saying it's over
Speaker 2: a trillion gallons of water fell on North Carolina. Trillion,
Speaker 2: not billion trillion. So that's that's just those are just
Speaker 2: devastating levels of saturation. So watch the main roads. Out
Speaker 2: of course, if the main roads are bad, the small
Speaker 2: roads that aren't necessarily paved are gone, and it's a disaster.
Speaker 2: It's a terrible, terrible disaster. So anyhow, our interview today
Speaker 2: was strange because it kept being interrupted and I had
Speaker 2: to edit it down to less than an hour just
Speaker 2: because we wanted to get the thing done. So again,
Speaker 2: the title is The Quantum and the Dream, and this
Speaker 2: is about new well, i should say, reoccurring uses of
Speaker 2: technique to gather and to begin using what our ancestors
Speaker 2: and those of the indigenous people of the Americas and
Speaker 2: indigenous people around the world before the industrial age were using.
Speaker 2: And this is where you connect with Earth, you connect
Speaker 2: with Gia, You quiet yourself, you meditate, you intend, I
Speaker 2: intend to connect with the Gaia in my meditation. Or
Speaker 2: you are meditating, or you are doing a sacred practice
Speaker 2: scrying which you're looking at the mirror. You're doing a
Speaker 2: practice that helps you connect with the planet, and you
Speaker 2: are raising your consciousness and We're gonna hear a number
Speaker 2: of terms today, but probably the most interesting is nature intelligence,
Speaker 2: the subtle intelligence that our ancestors use. And I see
Speaker 2: this with the Maya. The Maya were so locked in
Speaker 2: with Gaya, with the planet that they developed a science.
Speaker 2: And my belief is that they are from another mother culture.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, including our own and Barharmed, feels
Speaker 2: that they were not from Atlantis. But again we can't
Speaker 2: use Atlantis as an excuse. I think they had some
Speaker 2: pre destiny with their ancestors. This is the Maya, and
Speaker 2: so they were very much tied into the Earth. And
Speaker 2: when you're tied into the Earth, you're not building nuclear plants,
Speaker 2: you're not building generators. You are tapping into telluric energy fields.
Speaker 2: You're tapping into lay lines. You're using the gravity to
Speaker 2: increase and through your pyramids, you're enhancing t leric energy
Speaker 2: and gravity and you're creating energy fields. Now we learn
Speaker 2: about this through the work of doctor or He wasn't
Speaker 2: a doctor, but he was a scientist, John Burke, who
Speaker 2: actually tested the frequencies that were out coming out of
Speaker 2: glyphs and these are earthworks, but really most importantly pyramids,
Speaker 2: and he actually went down to Tikal in Guatemala and
Speaker 2: tested a number of pyramids and discovered that the oldest
Speaker 2: pyramids were the ones that were built on these energy centers.
Speaker 2: And so when we see that, we had to rethink
Speaker 2: our beliefs about the Maya. And I also don't think
Speaker 2: that our interpretation of them is correct. Loincloths, savages, those
Speaker 2: are the last generations. Those are the post deluge, post
Speaker 2: catastrophic Earth period survivors. So today we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about nature intelligence, how we work with that, and how that,
Speaker 2: along with machine with computer intelligence and human intelligence, will
Speaker 2: usher in an evolution, a new phase of intelligence, a
Speaker 2: new guidance where we're using the right side of our
Speaker 2: brain more than the left. The left side is analytical,
Speaker 2: the right side's creative and intuitive. The right side is
Speaker 2: an intuitive So we're working to have the optimal lifetime
Speaker 2: using intuition. What does I feel like? What should I
Speaker 2: be doing? How do I feel about something? How do
Speaker 2: I feel about this relationship? How do I feel about
Speaker 2: my job? How do I feel about signing a document
Speaker 2: that I'm not sure of? How do I feel?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Using intention, using special practices to enhance our intuition, meditation,
Speaker 2: quiet time, tapping into nature, and that's really really critical.
Speaker 2: Now I've been talking about biohacking, and I think our
Speaker 2: ancestors did this automatically. This is fasting, This is eating
Speaker 2: only certain types of foods, this is an exercise. This
Speaker 2: is quiet the brain, optimizing the human experience. And when
Speaker 2: you biohack, you leave behind the stress. You make sure
Speaker 2: you get plenty of sleep, you eat optimally, optimally for
Speaker 2: your body. In our case, because we're so stressed out
Speaker 2: and we've been depleted, we're taking nutrients, we're taking vitamins,
Speaker 2: and if we're overweight, we're biohacking by taking ozimbic or
Speaker 2: semic glutides to readjust the system to begin losing fat.
Speaker 2: Because if you're overweight, if you're obese, you're struggling, and
Speaker 2: that's a bad thing. So, and we're going to have
Speaker 2: in the coming weeks I've talked about this, we're going
Speaker 2: to have a number of physicians that are looking to
Speaker 2: the future and also different kinds of practice. Most notably,
Speaker 2: there's a new term you've may have heard. It's called
Speaker 2: functional medicine. Functional medicine using these various hacks for optimal health,
Speaker 2: not substituting wellness with medicine, with unnecessary surgery and God
Speaker 2: forbid radiation. And some of you have written to me
Speaker 2: and said, hey, you're being too hard on medicine, and
Speaker 2: it's like, no, I'm not. They are killing people, they
Speaker 2: are disrupting our lives with drugs which are toxins. They
Speaker 2: just do not get the healing modalities. And more and
Speaker 2: more mds, medical doctors, alla paths are seeing this as
Speaker 2: well as the universities and using their credentials and studying
Speaker 2: and getting additional credentials in functional medicine. So hear that
Speaker 2: term again, functional medicine, and we'll have an expert talking
Speaker 2: to us about what that means, how it's a benefit
Speaker 2: to you, and how you can live a much more
Speaker 2: healthy lifestyle. So today's program is the Quantum and the Dream,
Speaker 2: visionary consciousness, artificial intelligence, and the New Renaissance. And my
Speaker 2: guess is, Douglas Grunther, you probably hear about all these
Speaker 2: amazing locations, these ancient sites we visit on Earth ancients
Speaker 2: and here on Destiny. But I got to tell you
Speaker 2: there's nothing like being there in person. And we have
Speaker 2: a number of tours that we schedule every year, some
Speaker 2: in far lands like Turkey and Egypt, but some are
Speaker 2: closer to home, like Mexico. And we have a great
Speaker 2: tour coming up in November the sacred Mayan Temples of
Speaker 2: the Yucatan. It's November eighth through the seventeenth of this year,
Speaker 2: one week of intense exploration. This tour is design for
Speaker 2: those of you who really want to connect with these
Speaker 2: ancient places, feel an affinity to the Maya, and just
Speaker 2: want to see a close and personal what a pyramid
Speaker 2: looks like, what it feels like, how you connect with them,
Speaker 2: and the toleric energy. For more information on our upcoming tour,
Speaker 2: go to Earth Ancients dot com, forward Slash Tours and
Speaker 2: look for the banner to Mexico. Got to tell you
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a good one. We're gonna be
Speaker 2: going to Ushmol, chichen Itza, Lobna Sayil, and every place
Speaker 2: we go to. You can connect by sitting, by meditating,
Speaker 2: by connecting with these sacred locations. And there's nothing like
Speaker 2: climbing a Mayan pyramid and sitting at the very top
Speaker 2: and getting bathed in this wonderful energy. Again, come out
Speaker 2: and join us. It's November eight through the seventeenth of
Speaker 2: this year. Go to Earth Ancients dot com, Forward slash
Speaker 2: tours and get all the information. It's fun speaking to
Speaker 2: an ally. Someone else who is also a host. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Douglas Grunther. He has written a new
Speaker 2: book called The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness, AI
Speaker 2: and the New Renaissance, and I gotta tell you it's
Speaker 2: very interesting. He this this His program is called Woodstock Roundtable.
Speaker 2: It's an award winning radio talk show and it covers philosophy, depth, psychology,
Speaker 2: and spiritual insight. That's a good fit for Destiny simply
Speaker 2: because it kind of parallels what we do here on
Speaker 2: the program. But the reason I'm having Doug on the
Speaker 2: program is that this book talks about three types of consciousness,
Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about today. But not only
Speaker 2: that gives us a sense of where we're going. And
Speaker 2: we have a number of people on this show all
Speaker 2: the time who are like, Okay, I meditate, I see
Speaker 2: the world differently. But meditation is just one avenue. So
Speaker 2: we want to learn more about exactly what this book,
Speaker 2: The Quantum and the Dream is all about. So hey, Doug,
Speaker 2: welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.
Speaker 1: We have a great to deal with you.
Speaker 2: Where you located?
Speaker 1: Where are you coming from? I'm in Kingston, New York.
Speaker 1: Moved up to Witchstock, New York about forty five years
Speaker 1: ago to help start the witch Radio station. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe Woodstock and you didn't have a radio station. But
Speaker 1: through a synchronicity, which is of course my book is
Speaker 1: based on a synchronicity, historic synchronicity, but due to a
Speaker 1: personal synchronicity we might have time to get into. I
Speaker 1: was able to move from New York City up to
Speaker 1: Woodstock to help create the station. I now just do
Speaker 1: a talk show, and I've been doing it for forty
Speaker 1: four and a half years, and I'm gonna keep doing
Speaker 1: it till I get it right.
Speaker 2: Amazing. So you're a radio man. You started what in
Speaker 2: college and then you just kept going and developed your
Speaker 2: own program after so many years?
Speaker 1: Or what? Yeah, I was. I was intrigued with radio
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and then when I went
Speaker 1: to college at Columbia, I was able to get on
Speaker 1: their the college station there, and when I graduated, I
Speaker 1: didn't really have a doorway into New York radio, which
Speaker 1: is tough to break into. So I taught tennis, which
Speaker 1: was a good way to make some money, but I
Speaker 1: kept my eyes and ears open for radio opportunity. And
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you is what happened. It's called the synchronicity,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into it. I was living in the
Speaker 1: village of New York and I had a studio apartment,
Speaker 1: and in the apartment I had my grandmother's upright piano,
Speaker 1: which I could play a little bit with, and it
Speaker 1: needed tuning. Now, this is before the World Wide Web,
Speaker 1: and people older might remember things called phone books. And
Speaker 1: in Manhattan they had the Yellow Pages, which is where
Speaker 1: you looked up different commercial enterprises and professionals. And it
Speaker 1: was almost a foot thick. And I needed a piano tuner.
Speaker 1: So I opened up the Yellow Pages to piano tuners,
Speaker 1: and it's Manhattan. There were like sixty names. So I
Speaker 1: literally closed my eyes and dropped my index finger on
Speaker 1: a name. Tony called him up. He came to tune
Speaker 1: my piano. We started talking and we talked about interests.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I'd love to get into He said, well,
Speaker 1: two friends of mine are starting a radio station in Woodstock,
Speaker 1: New York. I said, Woodstock doesn't have a radio station. No,
Speaker 1: they're starting it. They live in Queen's here's their phone number.
Speaker 1: So I called them up. They said, come on over
Speaker 1: when we finished with the piano tuning. I drove over
Speaker 1: and after an hour conversation, I gave them a check
Speaker 1: for seventy five hundred dollars, which is all I had
Speaker 1: in the bank, so I could have a share or
Speaker 1: two of the station. They gave me the keys to
Speaker 1: their Woodstock country home, and I loved it. I moved
Speaker 1: up there and helped them start the station in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: So if it wasn't that thumb landing on the name Tony,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be talking today. Probably, Cliff.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, and by the way, that's fascinating
Speaker 2: how the station has evolved in your connection to it.
Speaker 2: But I find it fun that you are dealing with
Speaker 2: people who are talking about consciousness, who are perhaps the
Speaker 2: movers and shakers of artificial intelligence and some of the
Speaker 2: some of the developments in terms of understanding how we
Speaker 2: as a species are evolving. And that's my primary interest
Speaker 2: in having you. What inspired you to write this book?
Speaker 2: Was it the fact that you were interviewing these individuals
Speaker 2: who were on the cutting edge of understanding where we
Speaker 2: were evolving or how we are evolving as a species.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it really started when people ask how long
Speaker 1: to take you to write the book? Well, a year
Speaker 1: and a half to actually write it, seven years if
Speaker 1: you count the the salons that I gave talks at
Speaker 1: both in Whitchstock and in New York City, in which
Speaker 1: I developed some of these themes. But it's really fifty
Speaker 1: five years because my sophomore year in college was the
Speaker 1: first time my mind was really open by a philosophy teacher,
Speaker 1: and I would go to the Columbia bookstore and I'm
Speaker 1: just goo for a book to jump out of me.
Speaker 1: And one that jumped out was by Marshall mccluan called
Speaker 1: The Medium is the Massage, which was a pun on
Speaker 1: his famous quote to medium is the message reed. And
Speaker 1: the second thought was, I have no idea what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. And you see, mccluan ties directly into what
Speaker 1: your show's about, because he was really talking to us
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. Mcclullan died in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: the first year that the personal computer came out, but
Speaker 1: a lot of the young guys in garages and young
Speaker 1: women in garages who were tinkering with computers in the
Speaker 1: seventies consulted with McLuhan because they knew he was seeing ahead.
Speaker 1: One of them was Steve Wozniak, who ended up one
Speaker 1: of the main founders of AI. So mccluan's one of
Speaker 1: the visionaries that I talked about in the second section
Speaker 1: of my book, which talks about the shift and consciousness
Speaker 1: that happens when we orient ourselves from the printed page
Speaker 1: to the digital screen. And it was mccluhan who taught
Speaker 1: us more about how our minds unconsciously get rewired with
Speaker 1: new media technologies. This has been going on throughout human history.
Speaker 1: He was the first one to really call attention to this,
Speaker 1: and so he's one of he's one of the key
Speaker 1: figures in my book. I love that, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was reading up about your about your podcast, you
Speaker 1: say there's a good deal of wisdom that has been
Speaker 1: handed down from the past, But then you ended the
Speaker 1: description of your show with the next stage in evolution,
Speaker 1: And to me that really that really gets it. That
Speaker 1: the reason we want to pick out the wisdom of
Speaker 1: the past is so that we can move ahead. And
Speaker 1: I believe that we are on the precipice of an
Speaker 1: evolutionary leap. I believe we are recapitulating some of the
Speaker 1: same dynamics that led to the Italian Renaissance. And what
Speaker 1: we were taught about the Italian Renaissance in schools is
Speaker 1: very limited. We were told about, you know, the Sistine
Speaker 1: Chapel and the Statue of David, which were magnificent, but
Speaker 1: the the what really induced the Italian Renaissance was the
Speaker 1: devastation of the Black plague. It was on its way
Speaker 1: to killing a third of Europe. They didn't even know
Speaker 1: the cause. And the few people who are literate, and
Speaker 1: we're writing manuscripts at the time, so we have to
Speaker 1: collect all the wisdom we can because this may be
Speaker 1: the end of humanity. We have to collect it and
Speaker 1: write it down. And we now are in the midst
Speaker 1: of what we completely call climate change, global warming, and
Speaker 1: anyone who doubts the impact of it, just look what
Speaker 1: happened with Helene, you know in the southeast, which was
Speaker 1: a Category one hurricane, expected to stay that way, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it becomes a Category four.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an analogy of the time we're in
Speaker 1: where things are ramping up at a pace that we've
Speaker 1: never experienced before. If we do it right, it'll be
Speaker 1: an advantage. If we do it wrong, we're going to
Speaker 1: see a lot more anxiety. But during the Italian Renaissance,
Speaker 1: it was the anxiety around the Black Plague that really
Speaker 1: helps stimulate the leap forward. And uh, let me make
Speaker 1: that moe forward. Ug.
Speaker 2: So this renaissance that you're suggesting had and this is
Speaker 2: the other thing in your book, you talk about the
Speaker 2: left brain and right brain. The left brain is verbal, analytical. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's a digital brain, and then the right brain is intuitive, visual,
Speaker 2: and the creative brain. You're you're you're hinting that the
Speaker 2: right brain is more dominant in this revolution.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, yeah, you put your finger on another crucial piece.
Speaker 1: The other version. Another visionary is someone who's a contemporary.
Speaker 1: His name is Ian McGilchrist. I'm encouraged that his books,
Speaker 1: his two books, which are incredibly complex, beautifully researched, and
Speaker 1: he writes, well, he's a psychiatrist, he's a neurologist and
Speaker 1: a philosopher, and he is the go to guy on
Speaker 1: the left and right hemisphere of the brain. And his book, uh,
Speaker 1: The Master and his emissary, which was the key to
Speaker 1: my understanding, has over seventeen hundred footnotes. So this guy
Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. And it turns out that
Speaker 1: the key not only do we have a left and
Speaker 1: right hemisphere, but every living organism on the planet has
Speaker 1: a brain that has a left in the right hemisphere. Now,
Speaker 1: evolution doesn't keep something around for a long time if
Speaker 1: it's not valuable, So he gives a very good example
Speaker 1: of the importance of balancing both of them. And the
Speaker 1: example is to imagine a small bird, like let's say
Speaker 1: a robin. In order to survive, that robin has to
Speaker 1: be able to find microscopic sized seeds in the ground.
Speaker 1: That's their nourishment. So it has to be highly focused
Speaker 1: to do that. That's the left hemisphere, the left hemisphere
Speaker 1: of our brain. Both hemispheres can be created, both hemispheres
Speaker 1: can be logical, but the left hemisphere can only understand
Speaker 1: the world by being highly focused on specific things. So
Speaker 1: if the robin didn't have that ability, it wouldn't find
Speaker 1: enough seeds, it wouldn't survive. But if it doesn't tune
Speaker 1: into it, the right hemisphere is the part of its
Speaker 1: brain that can see the bigger picture. The word holistic.
Speaker 1: Why is that important for a robin, Because if it's
Speaker 1: so busy focusing on the seed that it doesn't recognize
Speaker 1: the shadow overhead, which is a hawk coming to get it,
Speaker 1: then instead of eating it will be eaten. And so
Speaker 1: in our case, our culture, Western culture for hundreds of years,
Speaker 1: has really focused on the left hemisphere because it gets
Speaker 1: us all the great technologies that we all benefit from.
Speaker 1: But by ignoring the right hemisphere, which gives us the
Speaker 1: bigler picture, we didn't realize them too late that by
Speaker 1: using fossil fuels to get all this these beautiful technolologies,
Speaker 1: we're literally bringing down the very environment that keeps us alive.
Speaker 1: And so we need to shift to the right hemisphere.
Speaker 1: Because technology is not going to solve all of the
Speaker 1: climate change problems. It will help what's going to be
Speaker 1: required as a shift in consciousness, and that's probably always
Speaker 1: been the case. In the Italian Renaissance, there was a
Speaker 1: shift from religious figures and emperors running the show. You
Speaker 1: couldn't disagree with them, or you're either excommunicated or executed.
Speaker 1: And in the Italian Renaissance, a philosophy called humanism flourished,
Speaker 1: which celebrated the individual human mind, that individuals were here
Speaker 1: to learn and expand their minds, and that was a
Speaker 1: big shift in consciousness. And here in the twenty first century,
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to three shifts in consciousness. One is to
Speaker 1: the right hemisphere of the brain for reasons we can
Speaker 1: talk more about. The second is the shift of the
Speaker 1: digital screen. Because as you and I are speaking today,
Speaker 1: Clip five and a half billion of us have our
Speaker 1: brains connected to this world wide web, and collaboration is
Speaker 1: the main reason that we human are the most intelligent
Speaker 1: species on this planet. That was the theme of the
Speaker 1: very successful book Sapiens by u Will Noah Harari. Without collaboration,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here. But unfortunately, ours our culture celebrates
Speaker 1: competition over collaboration. But if you look at evolution from
Speaker 1: a right hemisphere standpoint, that is the big picture. We
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here if collaboration wasn't a more powerful force
Speaker 1: than competition. M So.
Speaker 2: This revolution that you write about is this artificial intelligence?
Speaker 2: Is that part of the revolution where we use computer
Speaker 2: uh learning or actually you talk about the three levels
Speaker 2: of intelligence human intelligence, computer intelligence which is machine learning,
Speaker 2: and AI and nature intelligence. Does this make up the
Speaker 2: components for the revolution, for the renaissance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, for the first time in evolution. The unique
Speaker 1: position that evolution has put us in here is that
Speaker 1: we have three powerful forms of intelligence interacting on this
Speaker 1: planet for the first time. We have human intelligence, we
Speaker 1: have computer intelligence, and we have the most powerful of
Speaker 1: the three, Nature's intelligence. Here's a real practical example. In
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, we Americans bragged understandably about the construction
Speaker 1: of the Hoover Dam, this huge, magnificent technology. Well, where
Speaker 1: did humans get the idea for building dams? From beavers?
Speaker 1: We learn from nature. We're part of nature. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: left hemisphere of our brain sees us as apart from
Speaker 1: nature and sees nature as something we can grab things from,
Speaker 1: like our technologies which make our lives more comfortable. Okay,
Speaker 1: But in fact, as spiritual explorers know, and as I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're the followers of your podcast, no, we are
Speaker 1: not separate from nature. We were born out of Nature's intelligence.
Speaker 1: We are embedded in it, and it is the most
Speaker 1: intelligent force we have. The unique responsibility of human beings
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century is that evolution has given
Speaker 1: us one hand on the steering wheel of evolution, and
Speaker 1: we're required now to steer these three forms of intelligence,
Speaker 1: our intelligence, computer intelligence, and nature's intelligence and figure out
Speaker 1: how to use them in the most appropriate and effective ways.
Speaker 1: And my book points to many of the visionaries over
Speaker 1: the past one hundred years who've been kind of showing
Speaker 1: us a map on how to do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we know about human intelligence, we developed and
Speaker 2: birthed computer intelligence. I mentioned machine learning and artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: What is the definition of nature's intelligence?
Speaker 1: Well, I think the most important thing that I learned
Speaker 1: in writing this book. I knew what the first section
Speaker 1: was going to be because I was fascinated with left
Speaker 1: and right hemisphere of the brain for quite a while.
Speaker 1: I knew what the second section was going to because
Speaker 1: I've been fascinated by mccluan and how the human brain
Speaker 1: adapts to new technologies. I didn't quite like I'd labeled
Speaker 1: the third shift in consciousness to shift from the age
Speaker 1: of information to the age of recognition. And what we
Speaker 1: need to recognize is nature's intelligence and our connection to it.
Speaker 1: And the woman's visionary that really sealed the deal for
Speaker 1: me was Lynn mar Goudlis, who's not a very well
Speaker 1: known name she should be Lynn Mark. Goulis married Carl
Speaker 1: Sagan when she was a young teenager. They ended up divorced,
Speaker 1: had a son who she collaborated with the rest of
Speaker 1: her life. She was a brilliant woman who was getting
Speaker 1: her PhD during the nineteen sixties when it was unusual
Speaker 1: for a woman to do that. So she was getting
Speaker 1: a lot of flak about being a woman in a
Speaker 1: man's world. Not only that, but she loved men, and
Speaker 1: she said, they're not going to stop me. She also
Speaker 1: had a theory that she was determined to prove that
Speaker 1: was considered controversial.
Speaker 2: She proved it.
Speaker 1: And here's what she proved that if you study ancient microbes,
Speaker 1: they learned how to collaborate, not with brains, they didn't
Speaker 1: have individual brains, just through a process called self organization.
Speaker 1: If you look on the surface of what microbes do,
Speaker 1: it's a eat or be eaten world, right. They're constantly
Speaker 1: competing against each other for territory and food. They'll eat
Speaker 1: each other they have to be avoid being eaten. But
Speaker 1: if you look under the surface, as she did, she
Speaker 1: is the one who proved that it was these microbes
Speaker 1: who figured out photosynthesis, and photosynthesis is the most important
Speaker 1: technology that was ever invented on this planet, and it
Speaker 1: was microbes that came up with it. As your listeners know,
Speaker 1: it's photosynthesis that creates a perfect relationship between plants and
Speaker 1: animals such as ourselves. Plants, in order to survive, take
Speaker 1: sunlight and carbon dioxide converted into sugars. That's how they survive.
Speaker 1: But it produces oxygen, which is toxic to plants. So
Speaker 1: what do they do. They excrete it out in the air.
Speaker 1: We need that oxygen, we take that oxygen in. We
Speaker 1: need to get rid of carbon dioxide. So it's a
Speaker 1: perfect what they call symbiotic relationship that we get from
Speaker 1: plants that we need. Plants get from us what they need.
Speaker 1: But Lynn Margulis proved that it was microbe, well before
Speaker 1: plants ever existed on this planet, that figured out photosynthesis,
Speaker 1: and over millions of years, these little tiny micros, by
Speaker 1: the trillions, were excreted enough oxygen in the air such
Speaker 1: that the whole atmosphere of the Earth became hospitable to insects, bird, reptiles,
Speaker 1: mammals and eventually us. So again it's proving that collaboration
Speaker 1: is the is the main engine of evolution. Here on
Speaker 1: the planet, and here we are talking to each other, Cliff,
Speaker 1: on a world wide web where not only can we
Speaker 1: talk to the people around the world, but the smartphones
Speaker 1: that we have in our pockets are a million times
Speaker 1: more powerful than the bank of computers that landed the
Speaker 1: first person on the moon. So if we can't kicking
Speaker 1: and screaming with all the noise of the web and
Speaker 1: all the addictive properties of the web and all the
Speaker 1: beta doctors on the web, that's all has been true.
Speaker 1: If we can't with five and a half connected the
Speaker 1: way we are through a world wide web, with the
Speaker 1: wisdom that we can on with our smartphones or on
Speaker 1: our laptops, and I know Alligien wisdom in human history.
Speaker 1: Expand a little bit on nature minutes away from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, expand if you would please more on the the
Speaker 2: nature's intelligence. Because our ancestors and also people like the
Speaker 2: Maya and Native American had traditions of not only sanctifying Gaya,
Speaker 2: planet Earth, but also working with the intelligence of the water,
Speaker 2: of the fire, of the earth, of the wind, the
Speaker 2: four directions. And this was a teacher for these native people,
Speaker 2: these indigenous people. What have you found in the people
Speaker 2: that you have on your program is the evidence of
Speaker 2: working with nature and it's innate intelligence to help us evolve.
Speaker 1: Well, that excellent question ties right into why my book
Speaker 1: is called The Quantum and the Dream. I'm not a scientist,
Speaker 1: so my interest in quantum are the psychological and spiritual
Speaker 1: and philosophical implications of quantum theory. And it turns out
Speaker 1: that four of the key founders of quantum theory, all
Speaker 1: of them received Nobel Prizes, were totally fascinated by, interested
Speaker 1: in and knowledgeable about ancient Eastern primarily spiritual wisdom. And
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. The father of quantum theory
Speaker 1: was Niels Boor, who famously out debated Einstein. THAT'SAWE conferences,
Speaker 1: and Niels Boor was kind of the ringleader of the
Speaker 1: quantum group. And quantum uh physics is the most successful
Speaker 1: scientific theory ever developed. And it's the reason you and
Speaker 1: I can talk over the World Wide Web right now. Well,
Speaker 1: when Nils Boor was knighted by the King of Denmark,
Speaker 1: one of the perks was he got to create his
Speaker 1: own coat of arms. He chose as the symbol for
Speaker 1: his coat of arms the yin Young, symbol of the
Speaker 1: doubt of the doo you're you know, the circle that's
Speaker 1: divided into black and white, with a spiral connecting them
Speaker 1: in a little white dot in the black area black.
Speaker 1: This is an ancient that that talks about flo Oh,
Speaker 1: which sees the universe not as a series of objects,
Speaker 1: but a con in celebration of his being knighted for
Speaker 1: his word and without example, in constant conversation with Carl
Speaker 1: Jung a big part of my book, who is the
Speaker 1: most influential psychiath century and ull And they spent two
Speaker 1: decades convinced that there was a doorway, a connection between
Speaker 1: the unconscious mind and the quantum realm of existence. And
Speaker 1: they couldn't prove it, but they were both convinced of it.
Speaker 1: And if you read the Doubt Chain, or if you
Speaker 1: read Buddhist texts or Hindu text or Native American texts,
Speaker 1: you see some of these same kind of sensitivities to
Speaker 1: the fact that there's there is no block or barrier
Speaker 1: between the inner mind and the outer world.
Speaker 2: What should we be doing in connecting with nature to
Speaker 2: us as an individual, to further our evolution and perhaps
Speaker 2: our consciousness? Why? Because I see a big disconnect with
Speaker 2: a lot of people who don't really want to go
Speaker 2: for a walk or want to connect with nation. But
Speaker 2: what would be your suggestions?
Speaker 1: Okay, two of the smartest people I researched both came
Speaker 1: up with I thought a good example the irony that
Speaker 1: we're in in the twenty first century. And of course,
Speaker 1: anyone who's studied zen or Answent knows that paradoxes are
Speaker 1: not considered problems. They're considered opportunities to expand our mind.
Speaker 1: So we're in an interesting paradox at the same time
Speaker 1: that our brains are being better up by the computer
Speaker 1: screen and we have to speed our brains up to matchitation,
Speaker 1: thought experiments, etc. Soally really needed both of those talents.
Speaker 1: But we need to react brains around the world, whether
Speaker 1: it's sitting down and slowing down the brainwaves to go
Speaker 1: from what's called the beta alpha state into the alpha state,
Speaker 1: which is the flow state. When we're dreaming, we're in
Speaker 1: the theta brandwith just even deeper. Only the only the
Speaker 1: most proficient meditators have ever been to be able to
Speaker 1: get to the theta is so interesting and informative, And
Speaker 1: so to answer your question, I think we all have
Speaker 1: to kind of find our own individual path into nature's ways.
Speaker 1: But there I point to many of them in my book,
Speaker 1: but they've been handed down to us. Dream work and
Speaker 1: I talk a lot about that. I'm sure of futen dreamwork, meditation, contemplation, fraud, experiment,
Speaker 1: I get. I offer thought experiments in the book and
Speaker 1: encourage people to do them, creative visualization, share your dreams
Speaker 1: with somebody, share your intuitive insights with somebody. And took
Speaker 1: note of synchronicities. My book is based on an historic synchronicity.
Speaker 1: Synchronicities are two or more events which clearly didn't cause
Speaker 1: each other, but are too meaningfully connected to to be
Speaker 1: a coincident. And the more we share these things, and
Speaker 1: now there are websites that are sharing these things, we
Speaker 1: have access to the connection we need. But we have
Speaker 1: to get through all of the noise, the trinkets, the
Speaker 1: advertisers trying to get us to buy stuff we don't need,
Speaker 1: the bad actors, and we have to get to that
Speaker 1: part of the web where there are people right now
Speaker 1: talking like we are about these things. And it's not
Speaker 1: always obvious because a lot of it is a process
Speaker 1: called self organization, where it's happening beyond the awareness of us.
Speaker 1: As individuals. But the more you tap into these things,
Speaker 1: you see them happening in the world wide web.
Speaker 2: You refer to Sigmund Freud's work on dreams. Why are
Speaker 2: dreams really critical to be aware of and to perhaps analyze?
Speaker 1: In my book The Quantum and the Dream, I talk
Speaker 1: about how Freud's publication of the interpretation of dreams in
Speaker 1: the first year of the Modern Age nineteen hundred changed
Speaker 1: twentieth century culture, as did Max Planck's discovery of the
Speaker 1: quantum the same year. But I'm going to bring it
Speaker 1: up to my two dream teachers that I learned from
Speaker 1: to answer your question why dreams are important. Jeremy Taylor
Speaker 1: was my main dream teacher. He was a beautiful spirit.
Speaker 1: He spent fifty years teaching dreams around the world, and
Speaker 1: one of his favorite statements was, there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as a bad dream. All dreams come in the service
Speaker 1: of health and wholeness, including the nightmares. And so, for example,
Speaker 1: I think most of us would intuitively say, if we
Speaker 1: have a nightmare, we want to forget about it. But
Speaker 1: our nightmares often have the most information for us if
Speaker 1: we're willing to meet them. They're not come to make
Speaker 1: us feel bad. They're coming to wake us up, kind
Speaker 1: of like a zend master, you know, splashing water in
Speaker 1: our face when we ask a rational question. I'd be
Speaker 1: happy to give an example. It was my dream teacher's
Speaker 1: favorite example of a nightmare that changed history. Can I
Speaker 1: give it to you? Yeah? Yeah. So in the mid
Speaker 1: nineteenth century a lot of the top engineers in England
Speaker 1: were working on an efficient selling machine. They couldn't really
Speaker 1: get it efficient, and one of those was Elias Howe,
Speaker 1: and like everyone else, he couldn't get it to work properly.
Speaker 1: He fell asleep one night and had the following horrific nightmare.
Speaker 1: He's being chased by cannibals in a jungle. They capture him,
Speaker 1: they tie his hands behind his back. They bring him
Speaker 1: back to the village and put him in a big
Speaker 1: pot of water and put a fire under it, and
Speaker 1: he's literally boiling. But he realizes that as the water
Speaker 1: is getting hotter, it's loosening the ropes keeping his hands,
Speaker 1: and when he's able to free his hands, he grabs
Speaker 1: the side of the of the pot to get out
Speaker 1: the cauldron, and the cannibals push their spears into his
Speaker 1: chest and push him back in and then he grabs
Speaker 1: another part to try to get out, and the spear
Speaker 1: goes in his chest and pushes him back in, and
Speaker 1: he wakes up in a total sweat. So no order
Speaker 1: to get propsiking.
Speaker 2: So he said, what the heck?
Speaker 1: He goes into his home laboratory. He refigures the gear
Speaker 1: system so that the thread goes through a hole near
Speaker 1: the point, and he invented the first efficient selling machine. So, Cliff,
Speaker 1: it's fair to say that you and I and all
Speaker 1: of your listeners who are in close right now are
Speaker 1: a debt of gratitude to that nightmare of Elias.
Speaker 2: How we're going to take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 2: shortly with my guest today, Douglas Grunther, discussing his new book,
Speaker 2: The Quantum and the Dream. Will be right back. My
Speaker 2: guest today is author Douglas Grunther, who has written a
Speaker 2: new book called The Quantum and the Dream, Visionary Consciousness
Speaker 2: and Audio, Official Intelligence and the New Renaissance. And we're
Speaker 2: discussing what the evolution of consciousness is beginning to look like.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that we need to pay more attention
Speaker 2: to our dreams because they are could be leading us
Speaker 2: to a better life, answering more questions that we are
Speaker 2: curious about. And uh, it's a it's an important part
Speaker 2: of consciousness that we're not that the majority of people
Speaker 2: are not paying enough attention to.
Speaker 1: And what I would say is, I mean, my I
Speaker 1: love dreams. But okay, we talked about left and right hemisphere.
Speaker 1: This all gets connected because we now know through MRI
Speaker 1: and EEG machines that when we dream, this information coming
Speaker 1: from the unconscious just coming to I would say, give
Speaker 1: us a bigger picture of who we are individually and collectively.
Speaker 1: And we need a bigger picture right now because that's
Speaker 1: whatever seeks it seeks. It seeks novelty and more complex
Speaker 1: forms of collaboration. We now have a world wide web
Speaker 1: for that, but we have to expand our consciousness to
Speaker 1: figure out how to use it most effectively. We now
Speaker 1: know that that information when we dream comes through into
Speaker 1: the right hemisphere of the brain. Why because it's our
Speaker 1: right hemisphere that is wired to deal with mystery, expansiveness,
Speaker 1: new visions, and uncertainty. It's the left hemisphere that can
Speaker 1: only operate when it feels it can get a very
Speaker 1: clear certain answer, and as your listeners will know, the
Speaker 1: big questions in life, including many of the questions we're
Speaker 1: facing now in the twenty first century, don't have clear
Speaker 1: certain answers. We need to expand are the way we
Speaker 1: think about things in order to arrive at them, and
Speaker 1: our dreams are one of the best ways to do that,
Speaker 1: but there are other ways. When Albert Einstein discovered the
Speaker 1: theory of relativity, he wasn't working like his colleagues in
Speaker 1: a sophisticated laboratory. He wasn't working at a university. He
Speaker 1: wasn't admitted into an advanced studies but he did thought experiments.
Speaker 1: His knew the unusual, the mystical, what we don't go
Speaker 1: in knowing about, and what we can never be certain about.
Speaker 1: But we can use our intuitions and our imagination to
Speaker 1: get to and our culture has been primarily in our
Speaker 1: educational system is focused on rationality and logic. They have
Speaker 1: their place, but guess what. AI computers are better at
Speaker 1: finding information, putting it together in a concise form, and
Speaker 1: analyzing it. Computers are already better at that than we are.
Speaker 1: We're needed for the right hemisphere work that computers can't do,
Speaker 1: which are leaps of imagination. What separates us from computers
Speaker 1: as we are sentient, that means we feel emotion. Computers
Speaker 1: can imitate emotions, but they can't feel emotions. And it's
Speaker 1: the right hemisphere of our brains that are wired. If
Speaker 1: we do it right, we'll we'll go to the right hemisphere.
Speaker 1: About computers do the left hemisphere work because they're already
Speaker 1: better at us than us. And that's why in my
Speaker 1: book I call for human intelligence plus computer intelligence plus
Speaker 1: nature's intelligence gets us to the next renaissance. Most of
Speaker 1: the fear about computers is we're gonna have to compete
Speaker 1: against them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cyboards, the the totals again. Yeah, the AI is
Speaker 2: going to be over running ass, isn't it.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on out there.
Speaker 1: It's you know, when you start talking too much right hemisphere,
Speaker 1: the cultures get a little nervous.
Speaker 2: I don't have this problem. Typically, I'm thinking that you
Speaker 2: got some residual storm damage to your internet.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I mean I have I know
Speaker 1: it's uh out the proper wiring, et cetera. But we're back, okay,
Speaker 1: so let me follow up.
Speaker 2: Let me let me follow up. Uh, you actually write
Speaker 2: in your book about using chat gb PT on your program,
Speaker 2: you'll ask it a question and then kind of discuss
Speaker 2: it on your show, talk about that and what the
Speaker 2: significance is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. So these chat
Speaker 1: bots are amazing. You can ask it a question and
Speaker 1: it will. You could say, okay, compose a ten page
Speaker 1: essay on the connection between the Italian Renaissance and the
Speaker 1: time we're living here in the twenty first century, and
Speaker 1: in a matter of seconds, it'll do it. It'll be
Speaker 1: a pretty intelligent ten page paper. So what I did
Speaker 1: was I asked it to do like write two power that.
Speaker 1: The chatbot can do what it does so quickly and intelligently,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really flow. And I said, okay, but
Speaker 1: watch this. Computers can not be mystical and virtual. They're
Speaker 1: not programmed. They don't have the kid that's our job.
Speaker 1: So chatbots are great because they can give us information quickly.
Speaker 1: But as I point out, the third shift in my
Speaker 1: book is from the age of information to the age
Speaker 1: of recognition. We have all the information we need, or
Speaker 1: we have access yes to all the information we need.
Speaker 1: As I point out, our smartphones in our laptops or
Speaker 1: a million times more powerful than the bank of computers
Speaker 1: that landed the first person on the Moon. It's not
Speaker 1: lack of information, it's lack of insight. That's our job
Speaker 1: as humans. What does insight mean? To cite in And
Speaker 1: one of the analogies I show is the Italian Renaissance
Speaker 1: was kickstarted in a large part by Galileo peering out
Speaker 1: into his telescope to the heavens and seeing for the
Speaker 1: first time that the Earth is not the center of
Speaker 1: the universe. That we'll want a number of planets circular,
Speaker 1: you know, and create science, which was a whole new
Speaker 1: way of looking in the twenty first century. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's one sigma fort Pobaloleos telescope and point it inward
Speaker 1: to our unconscious and the creative levels of our minds
Speaker 1: that the ancient narratives and Eastern spiritual teachers were very
Speaker 1: in tune with, as you point out, which is why,
Speaker 1: as you point out on your website, there's a good
Speaker 1: deal of wisdom that has been handed down from the past.
Speaker 1: The next stage in evolution is to take it and
Speaker 1: move it forward. So we need to take that telescope
Speaker 1: that looks out and turn it around and focus more
Speaker 1: on what's going on in our inner life, in the
Speaker 1: inner part of the human psyche. And that was the
Speaker 1: work of Carl Jung, and that was the fascination of
Speaker 1: the quantum theorists who were all interested in that inner work.
Speaker 1: That was what Einstein did when he did thought experiments.
Speaker 1: By the way, Einstein is quoted as saying his entire
Speaker 1: career was based on a dream he had when he
Speaker 1: was eleven years old. Put down that dream, and I
Speaker 1: discussed that in my book, The Quantum and the Dream.
Speaker 1: So the evidence is there. Logic and rationality have gotten
Speaker 1: us a long way, but we're now more needed for intuition, inspiration, imagination,
Speaker 1: creative visualization. These are the tools of the right hemisphere
Speaker 1: and the computer screen. The digital screen, if we use
Speaker 1: it correctly, can enhance it. And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: But here's a thought experiment. Let's say you and I
Speaker 1: wanted to learn more about Saturn's rings. We could go
Speaker 1: to a library, and because of the Dewey decimal system,
Speaker 1: which is left hemisphere organization, we know with certainty we
Speaker 1: can go to the science section, astronomy section, and in
Speaker 1: the astronomy section, we're going to find books on Saturn.
Speaker 1: Right if we want to find out if there was
Speaker 1: ever an advertising campaign just on the print and ask
Speaker 1: us as advertising, and I'd be willing to bet you
Speaker 1: there would be. That was a right hemisphrarean fine? But
Speaker 1: I found them in five seconds through my search engine
Speaker 1: on the digital screen. That's the kind of power that's
Speaker 1: potentially available to us if we use it correctly.
Speaker 2: So give us a sense of what the future looks like.
Speaker 2: Are we going to have a different education system or
Speaker 2: not so reliant on memorization. Maybe we're looking at classes
Speaker 2: and intuition, meditative states and using the higher functions of
Speaker 2: the brain. Give us a sense.
Speaker 1: Sure. One of the things I wrote about my book
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to write about for about fifty years.
Speaker 1: I was coming back from my first semester in college,
Speaker 1: which is I looked in suburbs of New Jersey. I
Speaker 1: went to school at Columbia in New York City, so
Speaker 1: I was about fifteen minutes from home. And as I'm
Speaker 1: driving home, I happened to pass by the grade school
Speaker 1: I went to, and I stopped and I had one
Speaker 1: of those aha moments. I looked at this brick building,
Speaker 1: the kind of brick school that we still see all
Speaker 1: over the place today. Right, two stories, very linear, and
Speaker 1: I went, oh my god, it's a factory. And I
Speaker 1: did a little research. It looks like a factory. That's intentional.
Speaker 1: The school system we still have here in the twenty
Speaker 1: first century in the United States is based on a
Speaker 1: nineteenth century Russian model that was meant for the industrial age.
Speaker 1: The school systems were set up as factories because they
Speaker 1: wanted to teach people to be good factory workers. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: think of how we were educated. We were rewarded for
Speaker 1: working memory. If they gave us something, we had to
Speaker 1: learn it, memorize it, and feed it back. Right, that's
Speaker 1: working memory. Well, computers can do that better than we
Speaker 1: can by far. What's going to change. What has to
Speaker 1: change is the fact that our educational system, kicking and
Speaker 1: screaming kids and parents are not going to be satisfied
Speaker 1: with sitting in a factory modeled school classroom for seven hours,
Speaker 1: being forced to memorize stuff and regurgitate it back when
Speaker 1: in their pockets is a smartphone giving them access to
Speaker 1: the most interesting things on the planet. So I think
Speaker 1: what we're going to see is an integration of homeschooling
Speaker 1: and public schooling where small groups meet, parents are involved.
Speaker 1: They meet in places where there's a big digital screen
Speaker 1: where they can access something really fascinating, and kids are
Speaker 1: going to be taught that with the digital screen they
Speaker 1: can pursue their greatest interest. The word education clip has
Speaker 1: an interesting derivation. It comes from the Latin word edukara,
Speaker 1: which means to draw out our educational system. I think
Speaker 1: you would agree is about thing in you have to
Speaker 1: take what they give you and give it back to
Speaker 1: them in a way that they is appropriate a true
Speaker 1: educational system. And there are some examples. There's Waldorf school
Speaker 1: calls and some interesting creative systems out there, not not
Speaker 1: enough of them where the purpose is to draw out
Speaker 1: of So for example, I didn't like bedding average compares
Speaker 1: to other batting averages from the past and the present,
Speaker 1: and I would have done the math. Happily, we're going
Speaker 1: to see more of that. We're going to see education
Speaker 1: slowly but surely go to the root meaning of the word,
Speaker 1: which is to draw out of each of us what
Speaker 1: is of interest, rather than stuff into it something that
Speaker 1: we have to repeat in order to get a good
Speaker 1: grade and the digital screen gives all of us right
Speaker 1: now as adults, because I think we're on the planet
Speaker 1: here to learn. We should always be learning, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait every day to get on the on the
Speaker 1: screen and figure something interesting to find out about and
Speaker 1: pursue it.
Speaker 2: That's why there's a huge addiction for TikTok and UH
Speaker 2: YouTube and all these other channels. The books called The
Speaker 2: Quantum and the Dream, Visionary, Visionary Consciousness AI and the
Speaker 2: New Renaissance. My guest today has been Douglas Grunther Well,
Speaker 2: who's this book for?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And who did you target this for?
Speaker 1: Oh? Thanks for asking, because a phrase came to me yesterday,
Speaker 1: which is the right hemisphere of the brain is the
Speaker 1: ultimate playground round for interesting ideas and new visions. Our
Speaker 1: dreams love to play with us. Uh, even even the
Speaker 1: tricky ones, the the horrifying ones, the confusing ones. Their
Speaker 1: play Uh, you know kind of why he can never
Speaker 1: find the same He never could find a pair of
Speaker 1: socks that matched. The right hemisphere is the part of
Speaker 1: our brain wired to play with interesting ideas, to develop
Speaker 1: new ways of steeing ourselves in the world. So my
Speaker 1: book is for people who want to start accessing that
Speaker 1: that part of their brain which evolution gave to us
Speaker 1: to both be more playful, more insightful, and to get
Speaker 1: a better sense of how we connect to each other
Speaker 1: and to nature. Yes, a lot of life is competition.
Speaker 1: We're still fighting too many wars, but underneath that is
Speaker 1: a drive towards more interesting ways to collaborate with each other,
Speaker 1: to brainstorm with each other. And we now have technology
Speaker 1: that makes that more possible than any time in human history.
Speaker 1: It's our job to use it effectively, creatively and to
Speaker 1: help bring about the next renaissance.
Speaker 2: So the book's called The Quantum and the Dream, and
Speaker 2: my guess it has been Douglas Grunther and he can.
Speaker 2: You can get the book now, just came out. It's
Speaker 2: available on Amazon, give us your website.
Speaker 1: Sure, Douglas Grunter dot com, Barnes and Noble. It can
Speaker 1: be ordered at pretty much any bookstore. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: the time, and uh, I appreciate your show, Cliff, because
Speaker 1: we're on the same we're in the same wavelength. We
Speaker 1: believe there is the next stage and evolution, and I
Speaker 1: think part of it to get there is going to
Speaker 1: be that you know what we we have to we
Speaker 1: have to have as good a time as we can
Speaker 1: do in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Hey, Doug, much success on this new book,
Speaker 2: and thanks for joining me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate being a guest on on your podcast.
Speaker 1: And let's bring about the next renaissance.
Speaker 2: That's great, all right, cheers, thank you. A lot of
Speaker 2: good mercils in that interview. Unfortunately we had to cut
Speaker 2: it short. We lost our connection and it was just
Speaker 2: really a challenge to do any kind of internet work
Speaker 2: at all, and we do typically we do zoom in
Speaker 2: our interviews.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And his book just came out. It's The Quantum and
Speaker 2: the Dream Douglas Grunther. You can see it on Amazon.
Speaker 2: It's available right now and it's got a lot of
Speaker 2: good material in it, so check it out.
Speaker 1: Hey.
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Speaker 2: today Douglas Grunther and his new book, The Quantum and
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