WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.929 --> 00:00:38.750 That's no moon. It's a space station. Hey guys, welcome 2 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:41.310 back to the show. Just a few quick reminders before 3 00:00:41.350 --> 00:00:44.149 we get started. Our Hawaii conference is right around the 4 00:00:44.189 --> 00:00:46.609 corner and there are still tickets available if you would 5 00:00:46.630 --> 00:00:49.390 like to join us April 20th through the 24th on 6 00:00:49.409 --> 00:00:52.270 the Big Island. All of that information can be found 7 00:00:52.429 --> 00:00:56.630 at journeytotruth.online. That link is below. By the way, Aaron, 8 00:00:56.670 --> 00:00:59.670 did you notice that our links are working again on YouTube? Oh, 9 00:00:59.729 --> 00:00:59.909 are they? 10 00:00:59.950 --> 00:01:01.070 No, I didn't even. 11 00:01:01.270 --> 00:01:03.649 They just gave us a feature back. I just noticed 12 00:01:03.670 --> 00:01:05.049 the other day. Wow. 13 00:01:05.069 --> 00:01:05.590 How about that? 14 00:01:05.750 --> 00:01:07.870 So for a minute there, for those who don't know, 15 00:01:07.890 --> 00:01:11.530 I guessed YouTube took away some of our advanced features 16 00:01:12.230 --> 00:01:15.060 and we couldn't put links under our videos, but that 17 00:01:15.310 --> 00:01:17.540 option has been given back to us. So that's great. 18 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.659 So now you can click the links that we talk about, actually. 19 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.120 Now you don't have to copy and paste the links. 20 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:23.900 Right. 21 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.640 So, yeah, and we can't wait, guys. There are a 22 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.400 very limited amount of tickets left for Hawaii, like 20, 23 00:01:30.370 --> 00:01:35.090 25 tickets and maybe even less. But if you want 24 00:01:35.129 --> 00:01:36.989 to join us, I would start planning your trip now. 25 00:01:37.049 --> 00:01:39.129 It's going to be a blast. You know, we've been 26 00:01:39.150 --> 00:01:41.530 looking forward to this for a long time and it's 27 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.230 going to be here before you know it. So April 20th, 28 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.760 start planning your trip now, grab a ticket and we 29 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.879 can't wait to see you there. I did also just 30 00:01:48.939 --> 00:01:52.840 create a Telegram link for that conference. So anybody who 31 00:01:52.900 --> 00:01:56.379 has purchased a ticket, email me and I will send 32 00:01:56.420 --> 00:01:59.120 you guys the Telegram link if you want to join 33 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.959 the chat to try and coordinate with people and plan 34 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:04.730 your trip and all that stuff. So I will also 35 00:02:04.769 --> 00:02:06.859 put that link on the website here. I just need 36 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.340 to remind myself to do it. Anyway, that being said today, 37 00:02:10.379 --> 00:02:13.120 we are joined by Alondra Markman, somebody we've been meaning 38 00:02:13.139 --> 00:02:15.000 to have on the show for quite some time, and 39 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.240 we're excited to be here with him. We ran into 40 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.659 him at Mount in Mount Shasta a couple of years ago, 41 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.229 and I just, it took us this long to finally 42 00:02:23.250 --> 00:02:28.139 get together. And he specifically, he's been doing career teaching 43 00:02:28.699 --> 00:02:33.319 and co-creative meditation and helping other SRA and SSP survivors 44 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.430 to heal. So we're going to be talking about some 45 00:02:35.469 --> 00:02:38.949 of that. But he has his own secret space program story, 46 00:02:38.969 --> 00:02:41.669 a satanic ritual abuse story. He's a survivor, but he 47 00:02:41.729 --> 00:02:46.870 also likes to help people and integrate the soul fragments 48 00:02:46.909 --> 00:02:48.229 and all that stuff. So we're going to get into 49 00:02:48.310 --> 00:02:50.919 plenty of fun stuff today. But welcome to the show, Alondra. 50 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:52.969 Hi, thank you so much for having me. 51 00:02:53.490 --> 00:02:56.310 Yeah, absolutely. So I understand I probably didn't do the 52 00:02:56.349 --> 00:02:58.689 greatest job introducing you. So if you would like to 53 00:02:58.740 --> 00:03:01.000 let our audience know a little bit more about who 54 00:03:01.020 --> 00:03:03.099 you are and how you found your way into doing 55 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.479 what you're doing today, and then we can go from there. 56 00:03:06.900 --> 00:03:07.139 Sure. 57 00:03:07.300 --> 00:03:07.520 Yeah. 58 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.860 Hi, I'm Alondra. I'm a meditation teacher and I do 59 00:03:10.900 --> 00:03:14.580 coaching work with people for spiritual development. And I also 60 00:03:14.659 --> 00:03:18.960 help survivors of trauma-based mind control to heal. That's my 61 00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:23.039 preferred term. It's a big category. includes satanic ritual abuse, 62 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.680 secret space program stuff, targeted individual stuff. I went through 63 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:30.520 all of those categories growing up, and I found my 64 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:34.590 path to freedom. So now that's part of, you know, 65 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.930 part of my continuing learning is to teach others. So 66 00:03:38.169 --> 00:03:38.870 that's where I'm at. 67 00:03:39.729 --> 00:03:44.610 Right. So, and we don't have to get into the heavy, 68 00:03:44.669 --> 00:03:49.120 the dark stuff, obviously, but So your story begins at 69 00:03:49.180 --> 00:03:52.639 what age? What did you realize? Or looking back on 70 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.120 it now, when did you realize this was all starting 71 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:55.460 for you? 72 00:03:56.500 --> 00:04:01.129 There are two main timelines that I'm on. The initial person, 73 00:04:01.210 --> 00:04:04.250 his name is Max, was born in 1970. And then 74 00:04:04.289 --> 00:04:06.889 the person whose body this is, who we're calling Alondra, 75 00:04:06.909 --> 00:04:10.340 I was born as Alan, was born in 1986. So 76 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:13.300 I'm working with those two main reference points for timing. 77 00:04:14.250 --> 00:04:17.269 Okay, I'm going to pause you really quick because I 78 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:20.290 find that aspect very interesting, and I think there's something 79 00:04:20.329 --> 00:04:23.209 similar going on with myself. So explain to me, like 80 00:04:23.230 --> 00:04:25.370 I'm a five-year-old, what you mean by that. How can 81 00:04:25.389 --> 00:04:29.550 you be born two different places, two different years? And 82 00:04:29.589 --> 00:04:33.439 I understand that it's real, but I'm also still trying 83 00:04:33.449 --> 00:04:36.240 to understand it. So I would appreciate this explanation. 84 00:04:36.899 --> 00:04:40.839 Yes. Well, the simple way to say it is I'm 85 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.389 two people in one body. So some people would consider 86 00:04:44.410 --> 00:04:48.029 that 1970 birth a past life. For me, that's not 87 00:04:48.170 --> 00:04:53.319 what it is. Past lives are normal. Everybody reincarnates. So 88 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.720 this I just consider normal. Nothing really outstanding about that 89 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:59.980 in and of itself. I mean, I do remember the 90 00:05:00.019 --> 00:05:03.180 past lives, so I guess that part is special. But 91 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.959 what happened here is we didn't go through the natural 92 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.639 reincarnation process. We were just moved directly from that body 93 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:15.009 into this body by artificial means, consciousness transfer. I don't 94 00:05:15.029 --> 00:05:16.769 know if that was like five-year-old. 95 00:05:16.790 --> 00:05:23.029 No, but that helps. Yeah, that absolutely helps. Yeah, continue. 96 00:05:23.930 --> 00:05:27.670 Yeah, so our original body is passed away. And now 97 00:05:27.730 --> 00:05:30.310 in this body, we have these two people plus some 98 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.199 other beings that are functioning together as one. So we're 99 00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:38.730 an interbeing. We combine a couple of different human perspectives 100 00:05:38.790 --> 00:05:40.290 and a couple of ET perspectives. 101 00:05:40.310 --> 00:05:45.449 Okay, cool. And then so then, essentially, then you were 102 00:05:45.509 --> 00:05:49.050 just born into whatever program this is or was. 103 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:49.569 Yeah. 104 00:05:50.509 --> 00:05:53.240 Well, in that body, I was abducted as a young 105 00:05:53.300 --> 00:05:55.759 child when I was four years old. In this body, 106 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.779 it was from birth. This body is from a satanic 107 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.500 bloodline family. So the abuse happened from birth in this body. 108 00:06:03.430 --> 00:06:08.290 So your family lineage, I guess, has been involved. Obviously, 109 00:06:08.310 --> 00:06:13.389 it's an ancestral thing. And this is, I guess, to 110 00:06:13.449 --> 00:06:17.750 just clarify so it's not confusing, your memories from this lifetime, 111 00:06:17.910 --> 00:06:21.569 are they real-time memories? Are they also like abduction memories 112 00:06:21.610 --> 00:06:22.870 from another branch? 113 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:27.069 Well, both, because I was also age-regressed, so that gets 114 00:06:27.129 --> 00:06:30.410 into a lot of different complexity. This body has also 115 00:06:30.470 --> 00:06:34.350 been on over a dozen different timelines. So those are 116 00:06:34.410 --> 00:06:37.639 simultaneous memories where it's the same dates, but different events, 117 00:06:37.699 --> 00:06:40.560 different circumstances. So that's also true. 118 00:06:41.540 --> 00:06:45.360 So we're getting into quantum mechanics, the many worlds theory, 119 00:06:45.379 --> 00:06:49.300 like we have infinite, many versions of ourself living simultaneously. 120 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.019 Parallel realities, parallel timelines. 121 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.769 Exactly, parallel realities, timelines. 122 00:06:55.449 --> 00:06:57.889 Yeah, there's the organic version of that, which we all 123 00:06:57.949 --> 00:07:00.850 have some glimpse into, and then there's the artificial version 124 00:07:00.910 --> 00:07:03.769 of it. which is much more dense and much more 125 00:07:03.829 --> 00:07:06.509 reliant on different forms of technology. Yeah. 126 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:09.660 So what was the big turning point for you in 127 00:07:10.699 --> 00:07:13.939 your adulthood when you realized, Oh my gosh, I'm involved 128 00:07:13.980 --> 00:07:16.680 with this. This has happened to me. Cause I, I 129 00:07:16.699 --> 00:07:19.399 don't imagine that you always had that knowing or did you? 130 00:07:20.500 --> 00:07:22.339 Well, a part of me always did, but it wasn't 131 00:07:22.379 --> 00:07:23.100 very conscious. 132 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:23.680 Yeah. 133 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.639 My memories really started coming back around 2009. That was 134 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:33.060 kind of my watershed moment. Um, So in this body, 135 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:38.649 I was in my late 20s. And really, well, first 136 00:07:39.069 --> 00:07:43.250 came some of the more traumatic sexual assault experiences. That 137 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:46.170 was some of the first stuff to come up. And 138 00:07:46.209 --> 00:07:49.550 I started realizing there was more going on than I 139 00:07:49.589 --> 00:07:52.949 had been aware of. My narrative at that point was 140 00:07:53.009 --> 00:07:57.769 just that I came from an emotionally and physically abusive 141 00:07:58.629 --> 00:08:02.430 home with a very mentally ill mother. And that part's 142 00:08:02.470 --> 00:08:04.610 also true. Like that's the part that I was always 143 00:08:04.670 --> 00:08:08.670 aware of. But all this other stuff I started to 144 00:08:08.709 --> 00:08:11.930 become aware of around then. I had very intrusive memories. 145 00:08:12.649 --> 00:08:17.029 It was when I started meditating seriously. Well, that was 2007. 146 00:08:17.029 --> 00:08:21.110 So that kind of late 2000s period is when I 147 00:08:21.129 --> 00:08:24.250 was getting big chunks of memory back, getting flooded with 148 00:08:24.649 --> 00:08:30.100 like really intense, painful body sensations. So that's when the 149 00:08:30.139 --> 00:08:33.629 ball really started rolling. And I gradually started putting the 150 00:08:33.669 --> 00:08:36.470 pieces together. But it took me a while. It took 151 00:08:36.509 --> 00:08:44.789 me roughly from that period, like 2007, 2008, up until 2013-ish. 152 00:08:45.429 --> 00:08:48.480 So a good four years, five years, where I was 153 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.000 very confused about what had happened to me. I was 154 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:54.580 getting pieces coming back. The way I approached it basically 155 00:08:55.139 --> 00:08:58.840 was to go in outward order from more believable in 156 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:02.639 a consensus reality way to less believable. So I just, 157 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:05.080 I started with the sexual stuff. Oh, I came from 158 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.269 a family with incest. You know, that was like the 159 00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:12.190 first big chunk. And then I started accepting that, moving 160 00:09:12.230 --> 00:09:15.889 through my shock about that. And then, you know, moving outwards, 161 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.299 out of consensus reality. Oh, I was also, I was 162 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:24.139 commercially sexually trafficked. You know, that's still consensus reality, but 163 00:09:24.179 --> 00:09:26.230 it's kind of on the edge. You know, it's like... 164 00:09:26.549 --> 00:09:28.809 People have a hard time just accepting that that happens. 165 00:09:29.529 --> 00:09:30.169 Right, right. 166 00:09:30.730 --> 00:09:33.610 Including myself. Like, I was having trouble believing myself. So, 167 00:09:33.830 --> 00:09:36.629 you know, this is why I was doing it this way. 168 00:09:36.649 --> 00:09:40.899 And then from there, I went to my first real 169 00:09:40.940 --> 00:09:44.500 trauma therapy in 2013. And then the floodgates really opened. 170 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.500 And I was able to speak about more detailed things 171 00:09:47.539 --> 00:09:50.730 that were farther outside of consensus reality. Okay, it wasn't 172 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:55.889 just sexual trafficking. These were satanic rituals. Okay, it wasn't 173 00:09:55.929 --> 00:09:59.889 just satanic rituals. This was an organized military operation with E.T. 174 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:04.059 beings and lots of moving parts outside of Earth. So 175 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:07.840 that's kind of how I did it. It's a good 176 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:08.309 way to do it. 177 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:09.259 Yeah. 178 00:10:09.629 --> 00:10:13.710 Start with the more believable, so to speak, things, and 179 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:17.009 then you go and then you realize, oh, this stuff isn't, 180 00:10:18.100 --> 00:10:20.279 Not only real, but it happened to me, and that's 181 00:10:20.299 --> 00:10:21.799 a lot to process, I can imagine. 182 00:10:22.460 --> 00:10:25.360 Yeah, it's one of the biggest challenges for survivors of 183 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.789 these things, like learning to believe ourselves, learning to trust ourselves. 184 00:10:28.809 --> 00:10:29.370 It takes time. 185 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:33.990 Yeah, and it's still, you know, we just kind of 186 00:10:34.029 --> 00:10:37.330 premiered our documentary the other night in Sedona, and it 187 00:10:37.570 --> 00:10:41.009 talks about similar themes, and we did a Q & 188 00:10:40.789 --> 00:10:44.970 A at the end, and somebody asked, like, how... how 189 00:10:45.009 --> 00:10:48.250 do you expect people out there, the masses, to even 190 00:10:48.710 --> 00:10:52.389 buy this type of time travel, 20 and back stuff? Like, 191 00:10:53.509 --> 00:10:55.980 we understand, we've been at this for years, that this 192 00:10:56.049 --> 00:10:59.940 is actually very fundamentally true, and, you know, time travel's 193 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:02.759 the name of the game, and there's technologies involved, blah, blah, blah, blah, 194 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.419 that we're not supposed to know about. But how does, 195 00:11:06.500 --> 00:11:09.179 to get the normal person to bite onto that, right, 196 00:11:09.340 --> 00:11:12.240 and then take it seriously, I think that's where most 197 00:11:12.259 --> 00:11:15.240 people need to find information they need to walk that 198 00:11:15.299 --> 00:11:18.139 tightrope because you don't want to scare people off with 199 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.059 this stuff. If you want them to take it seriously, 200 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.139 you almost like you had to do that even with 201 00:11:22.179 --> 00:11:24.580 yourself is what I'm trying to say. So I can 202 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.960 imagine we can, we have to keep this in mind 203 00:11:27.139 --> 00:11:29.990 if we're trying to tell other people about it, you know? 204 00:11:30.419 --> 00:11:33.750 So to wrap your head around these insane technologies and 205 00:11:34.129 --> 00:11:36.669 you know, what we're capable of, it's a, it's a 206 00:11:36.690 --> 00:11:41.149 very healthy approach. So then you started realizing that you 207 00:11:41.169 --> 00:11:43.649 were involved in these programs and stuff. 208 00:11:44.230 --> 00:11:44.350 Yeah. 209 00:11:44.730 --> 00:11:46.889 At what point did you say, okay, I need to 210 00:11:46.970 --> 00:11:50.029 do something about this. Am I still involved? Like, what 211 00:11:50.049 --> 00:11:50.750 did that look like? 212 00:11:51.389 --> 00:11:51.690 Yeah. 213 00:11:53.230 --> 00:11:55.690 Well, by the time I had my memories coming back, 214 00:11:56.169 --> 00:11:59.429 most of the hard work to get free was already done, thankfully. 215 00:11:59.750 --> 00:12:03.070 So I, some people have to deal with targeting while 216 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:05.610 they're still getting their memories back. For me, that was 217 00:12:05.710 --> 00:12:08.149 pretty much separate. Like I was pretty much free by 218 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.779 the time the memories were coming back and the battle 219 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:14.360 for my freedom had happened. before I even got any 220 00:12:14.379 --> 00:12:17.500 of the memories back. So I was kind of lucky 221 00:12:17.539 --> 00:12:21.000 in that way because it's very, very hard to navigate 222 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.519 the past stuff when you're still dealing with present targeting. 223 00:12:23.539 --> 00:12:26.700 So yeah, but for me, that's how it happened. 224 00:12:27.590 --> 00:12:30.090 So can you give us an example of, let's just say, 225 00:12:30.110 --> 00:12:32.529 an off-world memory, something that kind of struck you? 226 00:12:33.070 --> 00:12:36.269 Sure. I spent a lot of time on Mars and 227 00:12:37.049 --> 00:12:39.350 I worked as a weapons engineer for a long time. 228 00:12:39.370 --> 00:12:45.210 I was designing targeting scanners on plasma rifles. And that 229 00:12:45.269 --> 00:12:48.440 was basically a whole lifetime. I had a whole career there. 230 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:53.620 It was almost a 40-year career. It was a pretty 231 00:12:53.659 --> 00:12:57.080 long lifetime there. And that's what I did. And it 232 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:03.970 was extremely boring from my present perspective. But when I 233 00:13:04.009 --> 00:13:07.129 look across my different timeline experiences, that's one of the 234 00:13:07.169 --> 00:13:09.730 more stable ones because I was just doing the same 235 00:13:09.809 --> 00:13:12.929 exact thing. It was very tedious work. Um, and it 236 00:13:12.970 --> 00:13:15.269 was less traumatic than some of the other ones. So 237 00:13:15.309 --> 00:13:18.190 that's an easier one to talk about. Um, there were 238 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:20.210 others where I was more on the front lines of 239 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:22.309 the war on Mars, you know, when that was still 240 00:13:22.350 --> 00:13:26.590 going on. Um, and those are much more intense, you know, I'd, 241 00:13:26.789 --> 00:13:28.830 I'd get blown to pieces and then thrown in a 242 00:13:28.889 --> 00:13:32.070 regen tank and thrown back out into the field and, um, 243 00:13:32.149 --> 00:13:36.080 just really miserable experience. And of course, the memories are 244 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:37.159 much more fragmented. 245 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:38.279 Right. 246 00:13:39.179 --> 00:13:41.799 So what is your opinion as far as life on 247 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.720 Mars existing? Like Pete Cary Cassidy had a whistleblower one 248 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.379 time that said, the people that get their memories back 249 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.889 from Mars are remembering life from a different dimension. Meaning 250 00:13:51.929 --> 00:13:54.230 that if we went there in a spaceship, we wouldn't 251 00:13:54.350 --> 00:13:57.129 see the things and find the things that people are remembering. 252 00:13:57.549 --> 00:14:00.879 Do you think this happened on a higher plane? a 253 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:03.269 parallel timeline? Like, do you think we would go there 254 00:14:03.309 --> 00:14:04.870 physically and find what you remember? 255 00:14:05.470 --> 00:14:09.090 Yes, you would definitely physically find it. It's 3D in 256 00:14:09.110 --> 00:14:09.730 this reality. 257 00:14:09.909 --> 00:14:10.970 Yes. Okay. 258 00:14:11.049 --> 00:14:14.159 But do you agree with the other aspect of that too, that, 259 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:15.169 you know, there's our. 260 00:14:15.740 --> 00:14:16.159 Oh, yes. 261 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.720 There's always more to the story. You know, these human 262 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.340 lives that we live are just incredibly multidimensional phenomena by 263 00:14:24.379 --> 00:14:28.039 their nature. You know, whether you go through these regression experiences, 264 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.299 or if you're just having a quote unquote normal life, 265 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:35.529 our life by its nature operates across all these dimensions. 266 00:14:35.750 --> 00:14:38.629 And so there's a lot of content that a lot 267 00:14:38.649 --> 00:14:42.129 of us remember and experience across many different modes of 268 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:46.100 perception and dimensions. So yeah, in a general sense. Right. 269 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.580 Now, whenever you say, okay, so did you experience targeting 270 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.059 as an adult as you were remembering this stuff? I 271 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:55.299 know you talked about it. A little bit. 272 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:59.230 It was more subtle. I had basically gotten free by 273 00:14:59.250 --> 00:15:04.610 around 2003. So after that, I was never actually in 274 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:07.330 the cult again. I was never in the military programs again. 275 00:15:08.269 --> 00:15:10.759 What would happen instead is I would have people come 276 00:15:10.779 --> 00:15:13.340 into my life who were trying to trigger me or 277 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:18.250 trying to block memories. I would especially love interests. I 278 00:15:18.250 --> 00:15:20.909 would have love interests that showed up that would be 279 00:15:20.970 --> 00:15:25.570 functioning as handlers and trying to just slow down my 280 00:15:25.610 --> 00:15:28.450 whole process of remembering and speaking out and becoming a 281 00:15:28.490 --> 00:15:32.129 teacher and all this stuff. So there were definitely some 282 00:15:32.269 --> 00:15:35.460 targeting instances after I got free, but they were more 283 00:15:35.509 --> 00:15:39.779 subtle and they relied more on my free will participation. 284 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:45.559 Once you're free of the immediate manipulation, They need some 285 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:48.639 degree of you saying yes in order to get into 286 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.570 your field if you're a sovereign adult person. As a child, 287 00:15:52.629 --> 00:15:55.590 it's very different. You don't have that power over yourself 288 00:15:55.649 --> 00:15:58.070 and you don't have that kind of insight into your 289 00:15:58.110 --> 00:16:02.250 mind just because you're not physically mature. But as an adult, 290 00:16:02.450 --> 00:16:06.389 free of the programs, there were infringements on my sovereignty, 291 00:16:06.450 --> 00:16:10.419 but they were still basically coming from my free will expression. 292 00:16:11.500 --> 00:16:14.899 Yeah, so let's talk about that a little deeper. I 293 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.080 agree that it all has to be done with your 294 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.500 consent on some level, even though they might have a 295 00:16:19.539 --> 00:16:25.700 sick twisted perspective on how that actually looks. But we 296 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:29.809 are tricked into consent in many situations and there is 297 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:34.649 deception involved. So like, how do you, how do you 298 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:37.529 cope with that? Like understanding that, yeah, I agreed, but 299 00:16:37.570 --> 00:16:39.909 I was tricked into it, you know, and that's something 300 00:16:39.929 --> 00:16:42.809 that a lot of people struggle with because I, you know, 301 00:16:42.830 --> 00:16:43.830 it's not fair, right? 302 00:16:44.129 --> 00:16:50.019 Yeah, it's incredibly unfair. It's so unfair. And the higher 303 00:16:50.059 --> 00:16:53.919 self does make some agreements that are radically unfair to 304 00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:58.820 the human person, just radically. And that was definitely the 305 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.000 case for me. I mean, this was not my idea 306 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:05.329 of initiation. You know, I'd rather go through some consensual 307 00:17:05.390 --> 00:17:08.809 shamanic experience. Like, I didn't want to have all this trauma, 308 00:17:08.890 --> 00:17:12.069 but that was my higher self's idea of initiation, so 309 00:17:12.089 --> 00:17:12.809 that's what happened. 310 00:17:12.829 --> 00:17:13.250 Yeah. 311 00:17:14.089 --> 00:17:15.170 Right. Yeah. 312 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:19.380 I think it's interesting that we find ourselves in these 313 00:17:19.420 --> 00:17:23.440 situations and you wonder why and how, and then you 314 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.220 have to go back to the root cause and actually... 315 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.220 At first, we want to point the fingers at all 316 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.890 these agencies and corporations, but then we consented, but then 317 00:17:32.950 --> 00:17:36.509 were we tricked into it? It's a very fine line there. 318 00:17:36.650 --> 00:17:39.809 And I don't think it's black and white and Maybe 319 00:17:40.089 --> 00:17:42.170 we chose it on a higher level. Maybe we just 320 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:45.539 chose the overall experience, but the details or the specifics 321 00:17:45.579 --> 00:17:49.259 were going to evolve as that came into our lives. 322 00:17:49.339 --> 00:17:53.019 So I think there's any number of situations that can happen. 323 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.160 Do you have anything to add to that? 324 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.539 I'll say that some body minds are more fought over 325 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:03.769 than others. So this particular body that I'm in comes 326 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.650 from a reptilian bloodline family. And so in order to 327 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:10.670 incarnate into this body, I had to run the gauntlet 328 00:18:10.769 --> 00:18:13.759 of all these things, even before I came into this incarnation. 329 00:18:14.500 --> 00:18:19.259 This was a heavily guarded, heavily fought over incarnation. And 330 00:18:19.579 --> 00:18:21.740 so there's a lot of competition to get into these 331 00:18:21.779 --> 00:18:24.500 kinds of bodies. There are a lot of souls that 332 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:27.980 are knocking at those gates. And a lot of them 333 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.230 don't realize the full implications of what they're getting into. 334 00:18:31.490 --> 00:18:34.049 When you look at it from the soul level, You think, oh, sure, 335 00:18:34.089 --> 00:18:35.839 I can deal with that. And then you get into it. 336 00:18:35.869 --> 00:18:39.930 It's like, oh, fuck, this is a living hell. So 337 00:18:40.150 --> 00:18:43.170 there's that piece. I just want to say this body 338 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:46.349 that I'm in is, as far as some of the 339 00:18:46.390 --> 00:18:50.539 Draco are concerned, it's very valuable real estate. Not every 340 00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:53.200 human body is so fought over as this one. 341 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:56.180 Aaron, were you going to say something? 342 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.940 Yeah, to dovetail onto this, I know I've heard many 343 00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:05.400 people either near death experiencers or people that remember their, 344 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.099 their life between lives when they were at the soul 345 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:11.700 level or the higher self level where they're, um, even 346 00:19:11.789 --> 00:19:16.849 choosing their current incarnation. And, um, they're, they're like, wow, 347 00:19:16.890 --> 00:19:20.230 I actually signed up for all this horrible stuff. Why 348 00:19:20.269 --> 00:19:22.849 would I do that? But they, they remember being in 349 00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:25.690 that perspective where you have such a greater perspective and 350 00:19:26.849 --> 00:19:29.269 to them, this life is like that. It's like so 351 00:19:29.349 --> 00:19:32.680 quick and it's like nothing. And they see the, and 352 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.519 you see the value of your experiences from that perspective. 353 00:19:35.539 --> 00:19:37.519 Whereas once you get in here, you kind of have 354 00:19:37.539 --> 00:19:40.420 this amnesia and you're just in it and it's a 355 00:19:40.460 --> 00:19:43.309 whole different experience. Like you said, why would, why is 356 00:19:43.470 --> 00:19:45.650 this happening? Why would I choose this? This is insane. 357 00:19:46.430 --> 00:19:48.049 Until you get back there and you're like, oh yeah, 358 00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:51.150 that was so valuable. Now I get it again, you know? 359 00:19:51.170 --> 00:19:53.930 So it's just from this small 30 perspective, things are 360 00:19:53.990 --> 00:19:55.220 hard to kind of grasp. 361 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:58.859 Yeah. Also, my soul family is very large. This is 362 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:01.619 true for a lot of people who choose these difficult experiences. 363 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.119 You know, the Draco beings, the Zeta Reticulin beings, the 364 00:20:05.180 --> 00:20:08.049 Orion beings, the ones that are perpetrating these things, those 365 00:20:08.109 --> 00:20:11.069 are also my soul family. So we had our own 366 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:15.369 communion and our own agreements before I took this incarnation. 367 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:18.819 It's like, okay, we're all family in an extended sense, 368 00:20:19.339 --> 00:20:24.220 even though in this body I would never trust them. Right, right. 369 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:25.440 Right. 370 00:20:25.779 --> 00:20:29.279 So, Aaron, really quick, check your microphone and see if 371 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.519 it's on the right setting. We can still hear you, 372 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:34.990 but I don't know if it's still.... 373 00:20:36.670 --> 00:20:40.589 Oh yeah. It's not, it's not picking it up for 374 00:20:40.609 --> 00:20:41.069 some reason. 375 00:20:41.430 --> 00:20:46.829 Yeah. Sorry. Sorry about the interruption there. So, okay. You, 376 00:20:49.390 --> 00:20:52.829 you say this goes far, goes beyond trauma-based mind control 377 00:20:53.470 --> 00:20:56.930 and that there's ETs involved, even like your ETs embodying 378 00:20:56.970 --> 00:20:59.099 you and other soul fragments and stuff. What do you 379 00:20:59.140 --> 00:21:00.680 mean when you say it goes beyond that? 380 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.960 It means that this is just a small part of 381 00:21:05.019 --> 00:21:07.930 a very long journey. Um, kind of what Aaron was 382 00:21:07.970 --> 00:21:12.990 getting at. Um, these events of our lives are put 383 00:21:13.059 --> 00:21:17.029 into motion so long ago, the entire string of our, 384 00:21:17.299 --> 00:21:21.380 all of our human incarnations, like there's not just counsel 385 00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:25.549 between lives, there's counsel before all the lives. Um, and 386 00:21:25.609 --> 00:21:28.930 I have my soul contracts with Gaia herself to serve 387 00:21:28.990 --> 00:21:31.900 her in many, many different forms. And this has been 388 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.660 my journey with Gaia across countless millennia and countless bodies, 389 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:39.480 human and non-human bodies. Like I have just a standing commitment, 390 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:43.079 my own conscious relationship with Gaia. She's the one I'm 391 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.869 serving first and foremost. And so basically, whatever sort of 392 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.240 experience will allow me to serve her best is the 393 00:21:49.329 --> 00:21:51.789 one that I choose for myself in the extended sense. 394 00:21:52.849 --> 00:21:53.089 Right. 395 00:21:53.410 --> 00:21:56.710 And I like that you brought that up because remembering 396 00:21:56.750 --> 00:21:59.910 that we're here to either serve Gaia or work with her, 397 00:22:00.009 --> 00:22:02.400 you know, live in harmony with the planet bring it 398 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:05.940 back online whatever that is like we that's the most 399 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.119 important thing to remember because like you said it can 400 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.839 feel like a living hell if once you go through 401 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:12.680