Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was? Or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get
Speaker 1: somebody out here.
Speaker 2: What went on out there?
Speaker 1: I've thought of a bit of about six ft nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You see him out there? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: right away. Oh.
Speaker 2: Readings from Alaska Red Roll Curry, young tribal console member
Speaker 2: from doing Him Alaska quick update. I did the interview
Speaker 2: yesterday with one of my relatives on camera. He didn't
Speaker 2: like being on camera. I told him if he wanted
Speaker 2: to remain anonymous, that's fine too. It's not in our culture.
Speaker 2: So as a little gun shy as far as being
Speaker 2: on camera, which I understand. I just don't care what
Speaker 2: anyone thinks because there's too much of this stuff going
Speaker 2: on to just keep ignoring. You'll hear him tell what
Speaker 2: he's been through. Me and him, we've known each other
Speaker 2: since knee I I have elementary school yearbooks wearing them together.
Speaker 2: He's a relative of mine, and we grew up over
Speaker 2: in Bristol Bay, commercial salmon fisherman and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to touch on is usually when
Speaker 2: stuff happens like that to any of us out in
Speaker 2: the bush, First Nation, we discussed it amongst each other
Speaker 2: a little bit, but once we get back to the village,
Speaker 2: it's not something we go downtown. Hey we saw Harryman
Speaker 2: up there. It's just not what we do. Having someone
Speaker 2: else share is important to me, because, like I've said,
Speaker 2: these things that happen out in the bush are not
Speaker 2: unique to me. I am nothing special when it comes
Speaker 2: to having encounters. I've had several myself, but it's not me.
Speaker 2: It's the area. He shocked me when I asked him, Hey,
Speaker 2: you've got any good Harry Man stories? Just shooting in
Speaker 2: the dark? He had called me and wanted to get
Speaker 2: something to eat when he came into town from dealing here,
Speaker 2: I agreed to go get something to eat. I asked him,
Speaker 2: as we're getting off the phone, by chancing any good
Speaker 2: Harryman stories, And the first thing out of his mouth
Speaker 2: was New Yakuk River. I'll leave it at that. It
Speaker 2: was not a friendly encounter. I'll let him say it
Speaker 2: in his own words. He'll the off camera and it's
Speaker 2: just going to be campfire style. I'm just gonna chop
Speaker 2: it up with them, and it's not gonna be like
Speaker 2: what day, what time. It's not even like that. We're
Speaker 2: too close for that kind of interaction. It's just going
Speaker 2: to be natural and casual. I feel it's more honest
Speaker 2: that way. It doesn't feel forest or directed or scripted.
Speaker 2: I'd just rather him just tell it. How are you
Speaker 2: spelling it? But while I'm here, I have something I
Speaker 2: wanted to share back in It was nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: It was the last time I attempted to stay year
Speaker 2: round in Dillingham, just because the job opportunities were just
Speaker 2: not doable. Me and I we'll call him William. I
Speaker 2: reached out to him. I wanted to try to get
Speaker 2: him to talk about this experience. Me and William we
Speaker 2: went chicken hunting. He picked me up where I was
Speaker 2: staying and doing him there and we went out to
Speaker 2: Lake Road. Now spruce chickens back then, fifty hundred of
Speaker 2: them on the side of the road. It is not uncommon.
Speaker 2: We call them dumb chickens because you can get out,
Speaker 2: check a rock and get one that type of thing.
Speaker 2: So we're actually just going out to be social, hangout,
Speaker 2: do our village boy thing or whatever. We get to
Speaker 2: thirteen mile gravel pit on Electing Get Road and as
Speaker 2: we're pulling in there, they had started blocking it off,
Speaker 2: but there's trails around it for four wheelers and snow
Speaker 2: machines in the winter time. So we pull up to
Speaker 2: the gate, he kills the angine and we decide we're
Speaker 2: going to hike to the back of the pit check
Speaker 2: out this little pond that accumulated from melting. They developed
Speaker 2: pond back in there, and he wanted to check it out.
Speaker 2: Someone had said of beaver was moving in there or something.
Speaker 2: So we get back in there and it's a good
Speaker 2: two hundred yards to the back of the pit. It's
Speaker 2: approximately seventy five yards wide and then off to the
Speaker 2: left it has this huge mound of overburden that had
Speaker 2: been pushed off to the side to access more gravel
Speaker 2: and whatnot. So as Williams walk and he handed me
Speaker 2: a little fujifilm insta camera thing. It click disposable kind.
Speaker 2: He just turned on the whole thing to get processed. Well,
Speaker 2: he had it too many goes, I'm going to vote
Speaker 2: the other side of the pond, and I want you
Speaker 2: to take a picture of me. I'm going to walk
Speaker 2: out halfway into the pond up to my knees because
Speaker 2: he had on some hip waiters and he goes trying
Speaker 2: to squat down and get the perspective like I'm dead
Speaker 2: center in the middle of this pond. And I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just something he wanted to do. I thought
Speaker 2: nothing of it. We were armed. All I had was
Speaker 2: like a nine milimeter and a little holster, a little
Speaker 2: smith and wise and just noisemaker. Really not discounting the
Speaker 2: nine millimeter, but here in Alaska nine milimeters you use
Speaker 2: that on people. So as I'm talking to him and
Speaker 2: he's walking around, I was like, well, like an old lady,
Speaker 2: we're guys. We bust eacha oller's chops constantly. So he
Speaker 2: gets around there and he goes, I don't have a
Speaker 2: good spot, and I wasn't paying attention to him, honestly,
Speaker 2: I was doing something. I had heard something back by
Speaker 2: the truck, almost like someone slamming the door of the truck.
Speaker 2: That don't happen in Dilly here. Typically someone's not going
Speaker 2: to go rummish through your vehicle and it's parked on
Speaker 2: the side of the road. Not typically, at least not
Speaker 2: back then. So I looked back at the truck and
Speaker 2: I'm not paying attention to him. And as I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the truck trying to figure out what that sound
Speaker 2: came from, Coblue, I heard a splash. So I thought,
Speaker 2: oh shit, William Vilkin in the pond. So I turned around.
Speaker 2: I'm getting the little Fuji throwing out of my pocket
Speaker 2: to get a picture of him. So I turned around,
Speaker 2: the ponds rippling from whatever splashed in there, and he's
Speaker 2: standing there, pale white. Click. I took the picture. I
Speaker 2: just took it just because it all happened so quickly,
Speaker 2: and I was whinding it and I was like, what
Speaker 2: did you throw in?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All he had to do was get my attention and
Speaker 2: he goes, I didn't throw anything in that came from
Speaker 2: up the hill. I was like, I did tumble down
Speaker 2: on some him. I didn't hear it because normally here
Speaker 2: it wasn't that kind of deal. He had this look
Speaker 2: on his face. They said, did you throw it? Are
Speaker 2: you missing with what's going on? And he goes, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I don't feel right. And so I
Speaker 2: started to just sense in the area because we're down
Speaker 2: in the bottom of this pit and we got walls
Speaker 2: around us and trees behind him. So there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a bluff of the overburdened line and it's
Speaker 2: about a four foot height tip where the grass and
Speaker 2: the trees and with the rest of the top soll
Speaker 2: begins and then pushes back. So I'm discussing with them,
Speaker 2: and at this time I'll continue around the pond to
Speaker 2: come to where he is now. He had brought a
Speaker 2: firearm as well, but he left it in the truck.
Speaker 2: I had a nine millimeter on my hip just make noise,
Speaker 2: scare bear off. The only rifle he had was like
Speaker 2: a little four ten for the dumb chickens, the spruce chicken.
Speaker 2: So as I'm talking to him where I had gone.
Speaker 2: The trees were behind me now, so I'm basically facing
Speaker 2: back the direction I was just at with him in
Speaker 2: between me and this little pond, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you messing with me?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Because this ain't cool. I don't want to have something
Speaker 2: out here chucking rocks at us. And I brought up
Speaker 2: the Harry Man. He goes, I think it was a
Speaker 2: Harry Matt and I laughed because I wasn't mocking him.
Speaker 2: I just didn't get any sense of danger because typically
Speaker 2: the pressure changes. And I'm like, so, what makes you
Speaker 2: think it's a Harry Man? And he points back behind
Speaker 2: over my shoulder. I thought he was joking. When I
Speaker 2: turned around, there's birch tree, a spruce tree, and then
Speaker 2: a little thing of I think they'd be poplars older
Speaker 2: or something like that, A little batch of those, and
Speaker 2: they were grouped and fanned out up towards the top,
Speaker 2: almost like a willow. Behind this willow right offset from
Speaker 2: these two, this birch and this spruce tree was a
Speaker 2: very big dark shadow swinging back and forth. Now, if
Speaker 2: you were to initially look at this shadow moving, it
Speaker 2: would appear it was shadow blowing the wind and the
Speaker 2: leaves and the trees and stuff, because it looked very fluid,
Speaker 2: like it was happening in nature, but it was the Harryman.
Speaker 2: I was stuck. I knew what I was seeing, and
Speaker 2: I knew what was going on. I had already drawn
Speaker 2: the nine millimeter and I was asking him. I was like,
Speaker 2: do you think it is going to follow us back
Speaker 2: to the truck? Should I shoot it? And he's not
Speaker 2: saying nothing to me. I hear him walking behind me,
Speaker 2: and he goes over and he picks up this rock
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm gonna throw a rock at I'm
Speaker 2: going to try to scare it off to give us
Speaker 2: time to get back. Because we had almost two hundred
Speaker 2: yards to get back to the truck. We had a
Speaker 2: distance to go, and this thing was fifty feet away
Speaker 2: at most, and it was on an elevated position from us.
Speaker 2: I was against throwing the rock. I said, don't throw
Speaker 2: that rock. Let's just back out. I'll wing shots over
Speaker 2: its head, but let's get to the truck. Let's get
Speaker 2: the hell out of here. Now we go a spruce
Speaker 2: chicken hunting at dusk, so it's moving towards darkness, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to freaking be out there. This thing's
Speaker 2: over there. It's doing this number back and forth, and
Speaker 2: then this kind of like a squirrel chatter, but in
Speaker 2: the cadence of a squirrel chatter, but with popping like
Speaker 2: a like that. But it was very fast, very I
Speaker 2: can't even imitate it. It was unreal fast. It's still
Speaker 2: clicking pop sound. And so I tell William, I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's just slowly, let's start walking. You walk backwards, keep
Speaker 2: your eye on it. I'm gonna guide you, and then
Speaker 2: we'll switch. I'll turn around, I'll watch it, and then
Speaker 2: you guide us. So we keep an eye on the scene.
Speaker 2: I brought up to him. I said, also look around
Speaker 2: when you're not looking directly at when you're the one leading,
Speaker 2: look check our flanks. Make sure there's none moving around us. Now,
Speaker 2: when I speak of these things and how they operate
Speaker 2: and how they seem to move, now this is all speculation.
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on this shit. But one thing
Speaker 2: I've noticed is typically not all the time, but for
Speaker 2: the most part, if one's letting you see it, there's
Speaker 2: others around, right. So I talked them out of throwing
Speaker 2: the rock, and we're back and why And the whole time,
Speaker 2: this thing's just doing this number, just swam back and
Speaker 2: forth every once in a while, doing that kind of sound.
Speaker 2: It didn't like lunch or do any any kind of
Speaker 2: sudden like aggressive stuff per se. Just this mere presence
Speaker 2: was the feeling in the air. It's hard to explain
Speaker 2: when you can sit there and stare at something and
Speaker 2: it's not saying anything to you, but yet you're in
Speaker 2: the presence of something that puts a fear in you
Speaker 2: that you can't shave. You can't sit there and make
Speaker 2: something good of it. I only say these things because
Speaker 2: this is what I've experienced in Alaska. Let me be clear,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to speak anything on Lower forty eight.
Speaker 2: You guys got generational populations that have been through those areas,
Speaker 2: so far different dynamic as far as overall population and
Speaker 2: potential interaction. Up Here in Alaska, we're so isolated. I
Speaker 2: think that's a contributing factor to how aggressive they get,
Speaker 2: because they haven't had the outside of the villagers and
Speaker 2: stuff that from what I'm told, they snatch us, eat
Speaker 2: us all this stuff. Anyway, let me continue. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I go off on tangents every once in a while.
Speaker 2: I apologize. I just want people to understand that up
Speaker 2: here in Alaska, it's not roll one, not unique to me,
Speaker 2: and to this creature up here, it doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: want anything to do with it, which hey, is probably
Speaker 2: getting shot at all the time, honestly. So we're back
Speaker 2: in the way, William decides I'm going to toss this
Speaker 2: rock down when he gets rid of the rock out
Speaker 2: of his hand, because I had him, Hey, just make
Speaker 2: sure I'm not going to trip over anything. I want
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on it until we get a
Speaker 2: little further away, since I had the gun in my hand. Now,
Speaker 2: as I'm walking backwards and I told him check our
Speaker 2: fights and everything, he's looking in the pit. He's looking
Speaker 2: left ring the pit. Right at the bottom of the pit.
Speaker 2: The pit, the walls go up and there's trees up there.
Speaker 2: So I'm puny. Look up the hills too. Now, as
Speaker 2: I say look up the hills too, we hear a
Speaker 2: god awful scream coming from back by that damn truck
Speaker 2: where we're going. I didn't know whether to shit or
Speaker 2: go blind, because at this point they usually shake a
Speaker 2: tree scream you leave the area. They stay at a
Speaker 2: certain distance typically, but they let it be known that
Speaker 2: they don't want you around. They'll throw stuff, shake a tree,
Speaker 2: break lambs, that type of stuff. We heard the scream
Speaker 2: and all our our plans went out the window, as
Speaker 2: far as we're going to take terms of lead frog
Speaker 2: and paying attention. Look at it now, no la shit.
Speaker 2: We immediately start just Paul asking towards the truck. Now,
Speaker 2: the scream just came from that direction. But for us,
Speaker 2: if we could get to the truck, that means we
Speaker 2: could get out of there. And so William is booking.
Speaker 2: I've seen this guy run before. He was running, so
Speaker 2: I was keeping up. And we get up by the
Speaker 2: truck and off in the side, just off to our
Speaker 2: left where that screen came from, because we got the
Speaker 2: iron fence, the two swinging iron gates for the pit,
Speaker 2: and we're on the opposite side of that, and off
Speaker 2: to the left the tree line starts and then it
Speaker 2: goes up a burn that wraps that wall back towards
Speaker 2: the pond where we were just behind us. So about
Speaker 2: halfway up this incline, just in the tree line, I've
Speaker 2: seen it. It was sitting there doing this number, just
Speaker 2: bobbing then looking back and forth just doing this. There
Speaker 2: was something in the looking its eye. It didn't come
Speaker 2: at us, but the way it was looking it wasn't
Speaker 2: just like looking at as curious just looking at our form.
Speaker 2: It was looking me in my eyes. As soon as
Speaker 2: I saw it. It looked directly at me. There was
Speaker 2: nothing there as far as it was obviously intelligent. But
Speaker 2: what I mean by nothing there is it looked like
Speaker 2: dead black eyes just staring a hole through me. Knowing
Speaker 2: it was a little further away and not immediately by
Speaker 2: the truck. All this happened in a brief second as
Speaker 2: we're running along and I glanced up and then I
Speaker 2: made eye contact and I was doing a thing or
Speaker 2: whatever doing this number. All this happened relatively quickly because
Speaker 2: we ran slid under the gate, jumked in the truck,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to look up the hill at the
Speaker 2: one I deem it is more of a threat. It's closer.
Speaker 2: This type of thing, the one that was at the
Speaker 2: back of the pit that he saw over my shoulder,
Speaker 2: it was actually in the middle of the pit for
Speaker 2: more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after
Speaker 2: these messages, and I had this Pouji film camera, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna get a picture of that. I'm
Speaker 2: getting it ready to go. As I'm getting ready, at
Speaker 2: the windshields all filthy. It's dolling him. This is back
Speaker 2: before the road was paved all the way out to
Speaker 2: the lakes, so there's a lot of dust and grime
Speaker 2: and stuff. As I was going to hop out to
Speaker 2: take a picture of this, saying out in the middle
Speaker 2: of the pit. We had a camera, why not, I'm
Speaker 2: getting ready to jump out the door to at least
Speaker 2: open it up and get outside to get a clear
Speaker 2: picture of it without the filthy windshield. I went to
Speaker 2: grab the doorknob and William grabbed my leg and shook it,
Speaker 2: and I looked over at him three feet roughly from
Speaker 2: his door. I couldn't even see it all the way,
Speaker 2: but there was another one standing next to the truck
Speaker 2: on his side, so we just left. He backed out
Speaker 2: of there. We almost got stuck backing out because we
Speaker 2: flew across like rode into the opposite ditch and hand
Speaker 2: to ride the ditch until he could make it up
Speaker 2: back up onto the road. That was creepy from the
Speaker 2: standpoint of They basically had us encircled now there's an
Speaker 2: argument to be made, if they really wanted to hurt us,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have made it out of the pit. And
Speaker 2: fair enough, well, what was the point of them showing themselves?
Speaker 2: What was the point of the eye contact. There's so
Speaker 2: many unknowns with this, That's why it bothers me, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to coax my fellow First Nations. Come forward,
Speaker 2: share what you've seen, Let's get some data together, Let's
Speaker 2: see if there's something we can figure out about it.
Speaker 2: Because there's so many unknowns, it's all speculation. I can
Speaker 2: assume what they wanted. I can assume it was bad.
Speaker 2: I can assume a lot of things. Grant you, I'm biased,
Speaker 2: so I immediately swing to it was nefarious. It was
Speaker 2: trying to size us up to get us. But that's me,
Speaker 2: and that's not fair to the situation. It's just how
Speaker 2: I felt inside with how this stuff was transpiring. And
Speaker 2: in many of the cases, like when we were attacked
Speaker 2: on the nuw Yakuk, I've heard several people say, hey,
Speaker 2: they didn't hurt you, they could have got you. You
Speaker 2: weren't hurt. I say bullshit. I no longer have a
Speaker 2: relationship with those family members. They were a large part
Speaker 2: of my life up to that point. I missed them
Speaker 2: and I love them. That whole thing separated us because
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about it and they didn't. It
Speaker 2: does a lot of damage to keep these kind of
Speaker 2: things in. I know, it's really easy for people to
Speaker 2: just fluff at all their just stories and blah blah blah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand this could be skeptical, but everyone wants to
Speaker 2: see one until they do, and then when they do,
Speaker 2: they want nothing else to do. Was going back out
Speaker 2: in the woods. Typically, none of this crap is unique
Speaker 2: to me. There are so many of us from the
Speaker 2: remote villages that have had encounters that to an outside
Speaker 2: person would seem Jesus outland as shit. You got these
Speaker 2: guys claiming all this stuff is going on, but yet
Speaker 2: there's no news reports of this and that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there's a reason why the ridicule. No one wants to
Speaker 2: be looked at as, oh, that's that guy that goes
Speaker 2: and talks to Harry Man. Because even though ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent of the villagers know the hairy Man's real, maybe
Speaker 2: two percent will acknowledge it. That's all socially pressed because
Speaker 2: they feel they're going to be mocked or ridiculed. I'm
Speaker 2: forty six now, I'm over given that shit what anyone thinks.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to tell what I know, share what
Speaker 2: I've experienced, and hopefully encourage others to come forth with
Speaker 2: what they have. You can remain anonymous, you come on
Speaker 2: a camera however you want to do it. But I
Speaker 2: want the Alaskan based stuff to be shared. All these
Speaker 2: outside entities bringing this Hollywood garbage hype to every aspect
Speaker 2: of Alaska. They use just enough truth that's compelling to
Speaker 2: get people to come back for the next episode, promising
Speaker 2: meat and potatoes, and you don't even end up with
Speaker 2: potato skins. At the end of the series, We'll see
Speaker 2: how it goes. I wanted to share with you something
Speaker 2: that was shared with me around the campfire back in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five at hunting camp. Now, this particular
Speaker 2: incident happened off the Quejack River. An elder that shared
Speaker 2: this with me, who since passed, was very adamant in
Speaker 2: telling us younger guys, don't go into the woods alone,
Speaker 2: don't whistle. I'll explain why he gave us that advice.
Speaker 2: So this was back in oh sixty seven, sixty eight
Speaker 2: somewhere in that general area, if I remember correctly. Now,
Speaker 2: they were doing prospecting bear hunt. Basically, they were out
Speaker 2: and about is what it boils down to. He was
Speaker 2: trying to feed us a line of whatever we know
Speaker 2: the business. He was upriver up to Queijack, which connects
Speaker 2: Lake Illam, the largest lake in the state, to Bristol Bay.
Speaker 2: That lake is so big, and with it being connected
Speaker 2: to the Queenjack, you can get a resident harbor seal population,
Speaker 2: Sea lions, belugas go up in. They're chasing salmon. It's
Speaker 2: an awesome place, just vast Alaska's so big. So they're
Speaker 2: on the west side of the Queenjack. I forget the
Speaker 2: name of the creek offhand. It was a native named creek,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of Queues, more consonants than vowels,
Speaker 2: will put it that way. So they're about twelve miles
Speaker 2: he said from the Queen Jack west. He didn't specify
Speaker 2: exactly how far below Iliono they were, but he said
Speaker 2: it was sparsely wooded. So they were back in there
Speaker 2: having a good time doing what Indians do out in
Speaker 2: the woods. They had found a trail and this particular
Speaker 2: trail was well worn, and they're like, this almost looks
Speaker 2: like someone's path to get water because of where there
Speaker 2: was a natural spring not too far away from where
Speaker 2: this path ended. So they decided they wanted to explore it.
Speaker 2: So they bring their firearms and they just dropping along,
Speaker 2: not necessarily looking for any sign in particular, just enjoying
Speaker 2: a nice beautiful day. Now, this path is just windy
Speaker 2: through berry patches, grub, the tundra and scrub brush and
Speaker 2: into the black spruce and cottonwoods and what have you.
Speaker 2: So just as they were coming around a couple of
Speaker 2: these islands of black spruce and the way the trail cut,
Speaker 2: they noticed something moved and it was almost like it
Speaker 2: was just out of sight because the trees are over here,
Speaker 2: and as they're coming around, this thing was moving around too.
Speaker 2: So they were just catching glimpses of something dark moving
Speaker 2: on the trail ahead of them, and it was only
Speaker 2: thirty five forty yards in front of them. So they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: So they start calling out. They thought it was someone
Speaker 2: and this was their path, and so they were hey
Speaker 2: over here. No response, So they continue around this little
Speaker 2: escurve in the trail, and once they get up to
Speaker 2: where they should be able to see this person, because
Speaker 2: where or the vantage point they had. Once they came
Speaker 2: around the bind, it was open except for the trees
Speaker 2: immediately to their right. And these weren't very big ones.
Speaker 2: They're black spruce and whatnot. It was basically scrub timber.
Speaker 2: He said. The tallest tree must have been about fifteen
Speaker 2: feet tall. So they were looking around and this island
Speaker 2: of trees wasn't too dense, and so they're like, he
Speaker 2: must be hiding. He's got to be hiding, because the
Speaker 2: trail continued on in the open tundrad before it reached
Speaker 2: a bigger timber a little further away. So they decided
Speaker 2: they split up a little bit. There was three people
Speaker 2: in the group. They decided to take a look. Hey,
Speaker 2: you look over here, I'll look over this ridge here,
Speaker 2: and this elder he goes up on the ridge to
Speaker 2: look to see because they knew the trail was wrapping
Speaker 2: around they could see it wrap around this little rise.
Speaker 2: So he went up on top of the rise to
Speaker 2: see what was on the other side. On the other
Speaker 2: side was huge beaver pond and a small creek that
Speaker 2: kind of wound back into the bigger timber. Now as
Speaker 2: he's up there, he hears screaming behind him, coming from
Speaker 2: just where they were standing moments ago, next to the
Speaker 2: small stand of the black spruce and whatnot. His hunting
Speaker 2: partner that was with them was on the ground, laying
Speaker 2: with his on his back, putting his hands up sid
Speaker 2: no screaming out. The other guy that was with them
Speaker 2: wasn't that far away, starts firing into the trees, basically
Speaker 2: shooting right over there buddy, and his buddy was on
Speaker 2: the ground. He wasn't moving, but this guy's popping shots
Speaker 2: and he knows they're not shooting for nothing, so immediately
Speaker 2: he turns around. He's blessing a football field away and
Speaker 2: he's running down and he's looking to see what they're
Speaker 2: shooting at, and he notices trees just starting to Then
Speaker 2: they hear a loud scream. The guy that was on
Speaker 2: the ground starts firing from a laid back position, shooting
Speaker 2: into the trees, and all of a sudden, the trees
Speaker 2: just explode, and this huge hairy man just takes off
Speaker 2: running the direction of the beaver pond. The elder takes
Speaker 2: aim Boom boom, takes a few shots. They don't think
Speaker 2: they hit it because it was gone. It was moving.
Speaker 2: So he immediately he runs right back up that rise,
Speaker 2: and when he gets there, this thing jumped in the
Speaker 2: beaver pond and disappeared. Cobluche gone. So immediately they're all
Speaker 2: posted up on this rise. They're all watching this rise.
Speaker 2: They got their guns trained. They're just looking for air bubbles.
Speaker 2: They wanted to kill it. I can't explain why I
Speaker 2: didn't ask. I just listened. So they're watching the pond
Speaker 2: and it's getting on in the dark, and they realized,
Speaker 2: we need to set up camp. We don't even know
Speaker 2: where this thing is. It hasn't come out of the water.
Speaker 2: It probably drowned itself. Maybe we hid it in along
Speaker 2: and then it went under, and maybe it'll be floating
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. So they go back down near the stand
Speaker 2: of trees where they were just firing on this thing
Speaker 2: at and they decided that's the place they want to
Speaker 2: stay because there's a couple already down spruce trees they
Speaker 2: could use for firewood, and they would just moneyuk right
Speaker 2: there and go to sleep by the fire and wait
Speaker 2: for the morning to come. So as they're walking down
Speaker 2: now they'd been watching this pond from this rise directly
Speaker 2: behind him about i'd say seventy yards is roughly where
Speaker 2: he said the trail was. And it's just a larger
Speaker 2: island of the black spruce and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and one island, I mean, they're sticking up out of
Speaker 2: the tundra. They're a little isolated island of small black
Speaker 2: spruce and various other little scrubrush. So they get set up,
Speaker 2: they get a fire going. Now it had only been
Speaker 2: a half hour, and they decide to go back up
Speaker 2: and look. And now it's getting it's not dark yet,
Speaker 2: but it's getting on into dark. He decided, I'll go
Speaker 2: along and be quiet. You guys wait right here. He
Speaker 2: goes up on the rise, and as he gets onto
Speaker 2: the rise and kind of peeks over to see if
Speaker 2: there's any movement, he sees it right next to the
Speaker 2: beaver pond, looking right at him, almost like he was
Speaker 2: just waiting. The harry man was sitting there waiting and
Speaker 2: knew he was going to be peeking right there, because
Speaker 2: he said, as soon as he comes over the rise,
Speaker 2: immediate eye contact. So as he's looking at it, he's
Speaker 2: going to put a shot right between its eyes. His
Speaker 2: word's not mine, so he raises his rifle and it
Speaker 2: dives back into the beaver pond. Now he figures, okay,
Speaker 2: it's holding its breath and this is the game is
Speaker 2: going to play, So I'm gonna retreat back to camp.
Speaker 2: We'll deal with it in better light, and he does.
Speaker 2: He heads back to camp. Now, before he even gets
Speaker 2: to camp, gunshots start going off again into the same
Speaker 2: standard trees they were literally right next to at this
Speaker 2: point camping out. The same hairy man was in the trees.
Speaker 2: So there had to been some kind of underground water
Speaker 2: source for this sinc to jump into the beaver pond
Speaker 2: and moments later came out of somewhere behind this stand
Speaker 2: of trees in another part of the marshy tundra and
Speaker 2: is now in the trees. His hunting partners saw it
Speaker 2: soaking wet and water falling off of it when it
Speaker 2: was making a ruckus before they started shooting again. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine you see something jumping a beaver pond and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, a moment later, it's behind
Speaker 2: you almost one hundred yards and your buddies are firing
Speaker 2: on it. He could only deduce that there was some
Speaker 2: underground tunnel or water connecting way, which is very viable.
Speaker 2: Anyone's been on the marshy tundra in Alaska, Nos, it's
Speaker 2: like a vegetative waterbed, so it's totally plausible. Now he's
Speaker 2: literally running and tripping and falling over these tundras. They
Speaker 2: got these little mounds that kind of kick up, these
Speaker 2: little mounds of turf, of mossy, very little berry shrubs
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So he's making his way and
Speaker 2: he's kind of panic stricken because this thing just jumped
Speaker 2: in the pond and now his hunting partners are firing
Speaker 2: on it, and this thing is just screaming up and
Speaker 2: just making all sorts of rap. It would be unnerving,
Speaker 2: but these are some salty dogs. They didn't stop firing.
Speaker 2: One of them did because he ran out of ammo,
Speaker 2: and this elder and the other guy were shooting the
Speaker 2: same weapons, so they still had plenty of ammo. And
Speaker 2: as soon as he got to a spot where he
Speaker 2: saw a movement, he started firing into the bush. Now
Speaker 2: it's getting on in the dark, and as soon as
Speaker 2: he started pitching in with the firing on this thing,
Speaker 2: it went silent. They didn't see it move anymore. It
Speaker 2: just went silent, so they thought, oh, okay, we killed it.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a good enough light source to go
Speaker 2: in to the there's a little island of trees to
Speaker 2: fetch it and drag it out. So they figured, let's
Speaker 2: move a little further away from the trees and reset
Speaker 2: up camp and set a new fire over here. So
Speaker 2: they do that, and gosh, the brass ones to have
Speaker 2: this happen and go, okay, we'll wait. We'll just move
Speaker 2: a little bit of ways away. And so they decided
Speaker 2: that they're going to take turns keeping an eye on
Speaker 2: this particular area because they know that's the last place
Speaker 2: they've seen it. And they're all set up, and this
Speaker 2: particular elder takes first watch the whole time they got
Speaker 2: tunnel vision on this island of trees. Periodically, of course,
Speaker 2: he would check his six and look around because they're
Speaker 2: in a more open part of the tundra, so they're
Speaker 2: able to easily see around three hundred and sixty degrees. However,
Speaker 2: behind them is that rise that goes up, and on
Speaker 2: the back side of that a good fifty yards is
Speaker 2: the big old beaver pond. So he's cognizant of that.
Speaker 2: He's really he knows that the potential of it going
Speaker 2: back in behind the tree line and wherever marsh it
Speaker 2: came out of, and then going back to the beaver
Speaker 2: pond and coming out over there is very high. But
Speaker 2: he was confident this thing was dead because all the
Speaker 2: sound and everything stopped like it had just died. His
Speaker 2: word's not mine. So he's doing his thing. He's keeping
Speaker 2: an eye out. He does his first watch, no problem.
Speaker 2: He wakes up the other guy. Now Guy number three
Speaker 2: has no more AMMO for his rifle. It's miles and
Speaker 2: miles back to where they parked the skiff on the
Speaker 2: river bank of the Queen Jack, so he's not going
Speaker 2: to be of any help with that rifle. So him
Speaker 2: and the other guy had made plans. I'll hold the gun.
Speaker 2: They had it worked out basically, so I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go into the finer details. It just bogs it down.
Speaker 2: Second guy takes his watch. He's had to have been
Speaker 2: a couple hours into it, and stay tuned for more.
Speaker 2: Sa squatch out to see will be right back after
Speaker 2: these messages. Now, this elder said that he heard a
Speaker 2: very sorrowful, moaning, growling kind of sound. He imitated it,
Speaker 2: but I'm not even gonna try it, So just envision
Speaker 2: a moaning, growling, screechy type sound. And it wasn't coming
Speaker 2: from the beaver pond direction or this other direction where
Speaker 2: the stand of trees were. It was coming from pretty
Speaker 2: damn far away. He didn't want to guestimate, but he
Speaker 2: said it had been at least a couple miles away
Speaker 2: that they heard it, and it was coming from the
Speaker 2: bigger timber further to the west. Now, anyone who's been
Speaker 2: out on Alaska tundra, especially down south central, they know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. There's the Muskeg, which is swampy,
Speaker 2: marshy tundra, and then you got these stands of black
Speaker 2: spruce and whatnot, and they're just dotted all over, especially
Speaker 2: in certain areas. It's just all over the place. So
Speaker 2: that's the kind of train it is. And there's a
Speaker 2: couple of these little islands between that big timber further
Speaker 2: to the west and where they are with that moaning,
Speaker 2: grounding sound. He had got a couple hours sleep, so
Speaker 2: he was a little more rejuvenated, so he joined his
Speaker 2: hunting partner and keeping an eye out because now there's
Speaker 2: been activity, there's a sound, and they want to be
Speaker 2: sure that they're on top of it. They just shot
Speaker 2: at this thing. They're thinking there's some get back coming.
Speaker 2: There's another hairy man coming. There definitely was. As they're
Speaker 2: discussing what they're going to do, because they're assuming this
Speaker 2: thing is dead in the trees, and they're talking about
Speaker 2: how they're going to get it out of the trees.
Speaker 2: So they decide, they're talking a monkey each other, that
Speaker 2: we're going to cut it up into pieces and we'll
Speaker 2: drag it back to the skiff piece by piece, because
Speaker 2: they knew it was big. And so as they're discussing this,
Speaker 2: they hear that moaning growling sound again, this time way closer, like,
Speaker 2: way closer, and it should be in a spot where
Speaker 2: they could see it. And so they're training their eyes
Speaker 2: and it is pretty dark, and they got the fire
Speaker 2: going behind them because they don't want to look at
Speaker 2: the fire directly and have it ruined their night visions.
Speaker 2: So they have the fire to their back and they're
Speaker 2: looking out into the darkness and being smart about it. Now,
Speaker 2: as he explained it, he had some snuff, the kind
Speaker 2: of you snort or something. Forget the name of it.
Speaker 2: There's a Yupik name but it's basically tame. It's made
Speaker 2: from a fungus that grows on birch. Anyway, so they
Speaker 2: had that and they were sharing some of it, and
Speaker 2: they weren't worried, so they started discussing some of their
Speaker 2: old trips and stuff. They were just chopping it up
Speaker 2: a couple buddies. Then they hear that same scream at
Speaker 2: the same distance, and this time it caught their attention
Speaker 2: because now they see the figure. And he said, it
Speaker 2: must have been about four hundred yards away, and this
Speaker 2: thing was huge, very big. It was on fairly dark,
Speaker 2: but this thing was darker than the dark, so its
Speaker 2: movement stood out and they noticed it was running and
Speaker 2: then it would stop, and then it would run back
Speaker 2: and then once it got back to the same side.
Speaker 2: Let me preface this. There was a small tree island,
Speaker 2: one of these little tree islands, and the that it
Speaker 2: was running back and forth behind it looked like but
Speaker 2: what was happening in reality is it would run back
Speaker 2: over here and then once it got back to the
Speaker 2: other side, it would scream. But little did they know,
Speaker 2: they're focused on that thing behind them on the trail
Speaker 2: that s curved, little trail that they came around one
Speaker 2: of those smaller islands of trees. They hear a snaps,
Speaker 2: their attention off with the scream, and then they look
Speaker 2: over that direction. Now it's on in the dark, so
Speaker 2: they can't really make anything out. Now their trail back
Speaker 2: to the skiff is blocked something big screaming over there,
Speaker 2: and they're assuming something's dead right over there. So they
Speaker 2: know there's trouble coming and they don't know what to
Speaker 2: do about it at this point because they have nowhere
Speaker 2: to go. Now. The cracking sound and whatnot was one
Speaker 2: of these things breaking a tree, and they kept hearing
Speaker 2: this kind of sound like something flailing through the air,
Speaker 2: and it was landing in the trees in front of them.
Speaker 2: So the one their back trail on that little s
Speaker 2: curve of the trail is chucking pieces of timber into
Speaker 2: the other stand of trees where they had been firing
Speaker 2: on the one. Now they're being heavily distracted here. There's
Speaker 2: grunts and noises coming, there's stuff flying, and periodically the
Speaker 2: elder that shared this with me is looking back over
Speaker 2: in the direction of the big dark when they saw
Speaker 2: screaming and running back and forth as a distraction. Now
Speaker 2: when he looks back, he doesn't see anything. And then
Speaker 2: they hear that screaming moan sound again, and this time
Speaker 2: it sounds like it's right up next to that trees
Speaker 2: in front of them, and so they're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what the hell as that's going on. Again, they
Speaker 2: hear that, and this tree was thrown land went right
Speaker 2: over their heads and landed right behind them in the
Speaker 2: direction of that beaver pond and the rise that was
Speaker 2: behind them. And immediately they're shook. They're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: changes things. Now they're throwing stuff at us. Now. Unbeknownst
Speaker 2: to them, this is twenty twenty high on his part.
Speaker 2: They were distracting them because they were going to get
Speaker 2: their injured buddy out of the trees. So when they
Speaker 2: were distracted the big one that was making the moaning
Speaker 2: groaning that initially distracted them in the distance, they turned
Speaker 2: around to see it dragging the injured buddy back in
Speaker 2: the direction of the big timber to the west. Immediately
Speaker 2: they opened fire. They just start shooting. They emptied both rifles,
Speaker 2: and at that point when they first started shooting, the
Speaker 2: bigger one was helping the smaller, more injured one. They
Speaker 2: disappeared into the darkness out of view. So immediately they're
Speaker 2: reloading looking in the direction that the thing was throwing
Speaker 2: sticks from. They couldn't see anything. It was pitch black.
Speaker 2: But they started hearing this huff and grunting coming directly
Speaker 2: towards them up the trail. Now, remember this is an
Speaker 2: S curve trailer and it's dark, so they could hear it.
Speaker 2: And then when the S curve got behind the patch
Speaker 2: of trees, it muffled the sound. And this thing came
Speaker 2: from that hidden point on the S curved trail up
Speaker 2: into the trees where they had fired on the hairy
Speaker 2: man just earlier. Now, when it got into that standard trees,
Speaker 2: the pieces of wood it was throwing over into there.
Speaker 2: Who knows why, no idea why it was throwing these
Speaker 2: pieces of wood into the stand of trees. However, once
Speaker 2: it got into that position, they were shooting at sounds
Speaker 2: periodically of the movement. This thing started throwing these pieces
Speaker 2: of wood that it threw from the one little stand
Speaker 2: of trees to the other one directly at them, very accurately.
Speaker 2: One of the pieces hit his hunting partner in the
Speaker 2: shoulder and knocked him back almost into the fire. The
Speaker 2: other buddy was woken up by this. Of course, he
Speaker 2: has no AMMO for his rifle, so all he can
Speaker 2: do is start popping shots with his pistol. Again, it
Speaker 2: was only a twenty two pistol, just for small game.
Speaker 2: That's very common. A lot of people have a small
Speaker 2: game rifle always with them, especially the natives, a rouse
Speaker 2: and rab and whatever. So he's ready with his old
Speaker 2: pistol and they're all watching the stand of trees. As
Speaker 2: these trees are coming in at them, they split up
Speaker 2: a little bit. They wanted to be moving targets. They
Speaker 2: didn't want to stand still. Now, when he's expressing this
Speaker 2: to me, this is the only point of the story
Speaker 2: where he said he really felt fearful. The rest of
Speaker 2: it was just let's deal with this. And at this
Speaker 2: point it got fearful for him because as they were
Speaker 2: dodging these incoming pieces of broken tree, it was like
Speaker 2: hitting the fire to put the fire out, That's what
Speaker 2: he assumed. So what they did was they were trying
Speaker 2: to make a torch real quick because they realized we
Speaker 2: got to go. We'll just make a torch out of
Speaker 2: this and we'll make a go for the boat. Dark
Speaker 2: or not, we'll have a torch. They had no flashlights
Speaker 2: with them because typically they weren't doing anything at night. Now,
Speaker 2: as they're fashioning this torch out of a torn sleeve
Speaker 2: off of one of their flannel shirts, they dipped it
Speaker 2: in some of the whiskey they had. Did they dipped
Speaker 2: it in some of the whiskey get it lit. But
Speaker 2: once they got it lit, there's still smaller pieces of
Speaker 2: this debris flying in at them periodically. It's not a
Speaker 2: constant bombard minutes, every so often their piece coming and
Speaker 2: noise being made, so again they're distracted. Now, just as
Speaker 2: they get done lighting up this torch and turning around
Speaker 2: to decide how they're going to cut down and get
Speaker 2: back onto that trail and follow it out to their skiff,
Speaker 2: they turn around and the light from their torch reveals
Speaker 2: dancing fire in some black eyes about fifteen feet away.
Speaker 2: Twenty feet away. One came up from behind as they
Speaker 2: were distracted, and it was basically just right over there. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: the trail they had to go to was off to
Speaker 2: their left from the direction they were standing, towards the
Speaker 2: rise and the beaver pond they were at, so they
Speaker 2: turn the noise had subsided once they saw the one
Speaker 2: in front of them would was behind them, but now
Speaker 2: in front of them. The noise behind them had subsided
Speaker 2: and they heard it run off in the direction of
Speaker 2: the big timber. So now they're like, okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: And as they're backing down to the little s curve trail,
Speaker 2: this thing would stay that same distance. Now they got
Speaker 2: this torch going. It's not very bright, and they're back
Speaker 2: walking with this torch out in front while ones keeping
Speaker 2: a gun trained on it. They didn't want to shoot
Speaker 2: them anymore. They realized they didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: They wanted to go, and so they got past the
Speaker 2: escurve part. The whole time, this thing's twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: feet away, not making a sound. Everything around was dead quiet,
Speaker 2: not making a sound, just staring at them, every once
Speaker 2: in a while, moving its head a little bit, but
Speaker 2: other than that, it was just They would move and
Speaker 2: it would just move forward and stop. They would keep moving,
Speaker 2: and once it would start moving, they would stop, getting
Speaker 2: ready for attack. But that wasn't the case. This thing
Speaker 2: basically escorted them but three minles doing this exact same thing,
Speaker 2: and then finally screamed at him, kicked him around on
Speaker 2: the ground and grabbed tufts of earth and whatnot, and
Speaker 2: was just throwing it up in the air wild just
Speaker 2: making a weird display, and then turned around and just
Speaker 2: disappeared into the darkness, running away from them. Oh goodness, gracious.
Speaker 2: I've been in some Harry encounters, but certain ones like
Speaker 2: these kind of experiences. They have this real There's many
Speaker 2: ways you could look at it. Were they initially curious?
Speaker 2: Did we make mistakes shooting it? Was it an organized thing?
Speaker 2: They didn't know. It's all speculation, but it bothered him,
Speaker 2: probably till his dying day. But again, he shared this
Speaker 2: with us at hunting camp. There's so many variables with
Speaker 2: these things. Sometimes they're killing people, sometimes they're eating them,
Speaker 2: and sometimes they're pushing people out, And without any definitive answers,
Speaker 2: it just leaves this open thing. I don't know if
Speaker 2: all of them up here are killers. Never had or
Speaker 2: heard of a good experience, nothing peaceful in nature. There
Speaker 2: was always a predatory overtone to most of what I've
Speaker 2: shared so far and what I've been told over my lifetime.
Speaker 2: Be careful in the woods.
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